59[00:57:24] <PMT> Maybe try to explain the exact problem
you're trying to solve?
60[00:58:12] <mirak> I don't get why only the loader in
/boot/efi/EFI/debian is run. I am trying to do multiboot on linux as
I was doing it in bios where I had a dedicated partition with only
grub, with a miniam grub.cfg that loaded core.img from other
multiboot linuxes installations
61[00:58:31] <mirak> PMT, mainly multibooting different
versions with efi
63[00:59:59] <mirak> The issue is that no mater what
BootCurrent I set with "efibootmgr" or choose in the efi
startup, it's always the file /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grub.cfg
that is run
64[01:00:36] <mirak> even If I have say a
/boot/efi/EFI/debian-2/grub.cfg , then I endup in
/boot/efi/EFI/debian/grub.cfg
80[01:13:35] <mirak> PMT, I think the issue is that they
hardcoded /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg inside shimx64.efi that was
signed by microsoft for secureboot shit
104[01:28:04] <cybrNaut> I mounted the bullseye ISO and then ran
"apt-cdrom -m -d=/media/debian_install_bd add", which
added this to sources.list: "deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux
bullseye-DI-rc1 _Bullseye_ - Official Snapshot amd64 BD Binary-1
20210415-20:26]/ bullseye main"
105[01:28:30] <cybrNaut> does that seem right? It's missing
the mountpoint (/media/debian_install_bd)
108[01:29:21] <cybrNaut> so when I do "apt update", I
get: "Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by
APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs ... E: The
repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-rc1
_Bullseye_ - Official Snapshot amd64 BD Binary-1 20210415-20:26]
bullseye Release' does not have a Release file."
109[01:29:52] <cybrNaut> the advice it gives is advice i already
followed
116[01:32:03] <cybrNaut> well i'm not sure how it gets from
that long descriptive text to the actual mount point, but something
is wrong because it can't find the Release file
140[01:42:08] <cybrNaut> i will. i just did "apt show
linux-image-amd64", and the output shows "APT-Sources:
cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-rc1 _Bullseye_ - Official
Snapshot amd64 BD Binary-1 20210415-20:26] bullseye/main amd64
Packages"
145[01:43:24] <cybrNaut> it says "Media change: please
insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-rc1
_Bullseye_ - Official Snapshot amd64 BD Binary-1
20210415-20:26' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and
press [Enter]
146[01:43:56] <cybrNaut> so it apparently ignored the mount
point I made and assumed /media/cdrom/
147[01:44:35] <cybrNaut> i do not want to hijack /media/cdrom/
-- that's for removable media.
148[01:45:04] <cybrNaut> and as I understand the docs i've
read, it shouldn't be asking me to insert a Cd
162[01:54:12] <cybrNaut> i've downloaded the whole blu-ray
so now I want to use it. My network config is quite complex and
things have to be done in a certain order
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227[03:38:03] <urk> Just wondering if anyone has experience
adjusting the color temperature in a Dell XPS 15 7590? My screen is
bluish white instead of true white so I would like to lower the
color temperature. Online, I found a tool called sct which seems to
allow you to adjust the color temperature, and I am wondering if
this tool also tells you what your existing color temperature is so
that I get a comparison.
228[03:38:35] <urk> sct is in the repos, and I have installed
it, but wanted to find out other people's experiences before
trying it out.
233[03:42:02] <cybrNaut> i suspect the bug i hit may be 10 years
old. someone noticed that /etc/apt/apt.conf was never updated to
have 'Acquire::cdrom::mount "/media/apt/";'
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240[03:48:06] <cybrNaut> fuck me. the april 14 RC1 release is
expired and even after hacking on shit to make it progress further,
"apt update" falls over with => E: Release file for
file:/media/debian_install_bd/dists/bullseye/Release is expired
(invalid since 29d 11h 35min 26s). Updates for this repository will
not be applied.
241[03:49:14] <sney> use Acquire::check_valid_until=no in your
sources.list or apt commands
247[03:54:41] <cybrNaut> or is it supposed to be an option for
an existing deb line?
248[03:55:16] <sney> an option, yeah, in [] between deb and the
url. snapshot.debian.org relies on it to work, so they have
instructions on the main page
250[03:56:53] <urk> well, I just ran sct and lowered the
temperature a bit, and also turned up brightness. Seems to be better
already. 6500k is just too bright, and bothers my eyes. I never had
a problem when running an older LG LED desktop screen, but LG
doesn't make the desktop screens as good as it used to.
262[04:11:09] <urk> somiaj: I do have a hardware brightness
tool. Brightness isn't the problem. Its the color temperature
that I objected to. I looked up tools online, and found sct. It is
in the repos, and extremely easy to use. All you have to do is type
sct and the temperature you want, and it is instantly changed.
However, having a tool that tells you your current color temperature
would be nice as well. If a value isn't entered after sct then
it default to
263[04:11:09] <urk> 6500k.
264[04:11:21] <ryouma> i get asked a password twice for the root
fs. this seems strange to me and i wasn't asked twice before.
some arch resource says that grub doesn't hand off the
unlocking to initramfs (in their os at least) and so you have to
change the latter to be asked only once. as it didn't occur to
me before, idk if this is the same issue. i am not concerned about
being asked twice, but i'd be interested in knowing why, just
265[04:11:21] <ryouma> in case it indicates some problem. i have
a key set up.
267[04:14:32] <somiaj> urk: does the monintor not have color
settings too, this of course varies on the monintor. Eitherway
sounds like you found a solution.
268[04:14:49] <urk> somiaj: I'm on a laptop.
269[04:15:01] <urk> somiaj: I'm running a Dell XPS 15 7590
270[04:15:08] <somiaj> ryouma: are you using an encrypted /boot?
271[04:15:23] <ryouma> somiaj: /boot is plaintext; / is luks
272[04:15:34] <urk> Dell has been highly responsive to questions
and features about concerns so I am likely to buy another one when
the time comes for upgrading.
273[04:15:45] <somiaj> ryouma: hmm, unsure what is going on
then, since grub shouldn't need to get into LUKES at all and
only the initramfs should be asking.
274[04:15:46] <ryouma> (i have not looked into the whole
encrypted boot thing and don't understand what would make it
possible)
275[04:16:51] <somiaj> ryouma: grub has the ability to read
encrypted partitions, and that is all that is needed to make it
work. The issue you found online sounds like someone was using
encrypted boot because they talk about grub needing to pass the
passphrase to the initramfs.
276[04:16:56] <somiaj> hence why I asked
277[04:17:11] <ryouma> ok
278[04:18:09] <somiaj> ryouma: to me you have some issue with
your initramfs which is asking for your password twice. Did you
chagne anything before you notice this change?
279[04:18:45] <somiaj> weren't you making a copy of your
file system to a new disk?
280[04:19:10] <ryouma> this issue started a year or more ago
281[04:19:27] <ryouma> i think it started when i moved to a new
computer
282[04:19:31] <ryouma> (not a reinstall)
283[04:19:49] <somiaj> sounds like you may have some duplication
in the initramfs, and probably need to start looking there.
285[04:20:22] <somiaj> it maybe the duplication occured when
copying/moving over to the new computer
286[04:21:25] <ryouma> when i move a boot and root fs, i do a
chroot and update-initramfs -t -u -k all and grub stuff. idk if
those are the right options for initramfs.
287[04:22:09] <ryouma> does the non-initramfs kernel try to
unlock the root fs at all?
288[04:22:47] <somiaj> what do you mean by non-initramfs kernel?
295[04:27:14] <ryouma> i mean, idk what occurs in the boot
process precisely. i was referring to the kernel as we know it when
debian is no longer running the initramfs.
296[04:27:33] <somiaj> the kernel doesn't change
297[04:27:49] <somiaj> all initramfs does is provide a
filesystem the kernel can have access to before it mounts /
298[04:27:59] <ryouma> but it changes from the initramfs fs to
the main root fs or so right?
299[04:28:43] <somiaj> Well it mounts the rootfs, and since
there are so many different filesystems/raids/lvm/encryption setups,
initramfs provides the modules and tools needed to mount rootfs
basically (it can do other things)
300[04:29:18] <somiaj> this way all you have to do is compile
into the kernel is the ability to read initramfs, you don't
have to compile all the different filesystems, etc into the kernel
and can use them as modules
301[04:29:43] <somiaj> I use to not use an initramfs at all back
when I built my own kernels, but I had to compile both the sata/ide
and ext? modules into the kernel so the computer could access my
rootfs
302[04:30:05] <ryouma> after the initramfs is not being used,
presumably it would make no sense to unlock root again right? if so
then your hypothesis is the most likely i presume.
303[04:30:30] <ryouma> ok
304[04:30:32] <somiaj> no
305[04:30:50] <somiaj> because it is already mounted and
unlocked, it would be impossible otherwise
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308[04:31:18] <somiaj> it is somewhere in the initramfs
somewhere that is duplicating this I belive
309[04:31:28] <ryouma> ok
310[04:31:59] <somiaj> do you happen to have two different lukes
that just use the same password?
311[04:32:14] <ryouma> just one more question then. there is a
program called cryptdisks or something like that that reads
crypttab, so it can unlock various partitions. root is in there.
when is that line used?
314[04:34:43] <ryouma> i have a randomly generated binary key
for each partition, stored in a file on root. each can be unlocked
with a password, but i guess the only one that needs unlocking with
a password is root, in initramfs.
315[04:34:56] <ryouma> should one have a different password for
each partition?
316[04:34:58] <somiaj> in the initramfs
317[04:36:10] <ryouma> (oh right there aws some file called
cryptdisks or something that has the root partition uuid in it or
so. but i was referring to whatever reads crypttab and that can only
occur after root is unlocked.)
318[04:37:57] <ryouma> s/some file/some file in the initramfs/
319[04:38:40] <ryouma> ok so initramfs has some program that
reads crypttab. is the root line used for much then (as it is
already unlocked)
321[04:39:53] <somiaj> I'm unsure of the minute details,
but basically the initrams needs all tools/drives/modules to read
the disk, unlock the encrypted data, read the lvm under it, and then
mount the filesystem at /, once / is mounted it is usually safe to
no longer need initramfs
322[04:40:23] <somiaj> but I don't know where in this
process (usually it is fairly early) that it tries to unlock your
encyprted keys via a password.
323[04:40:42] <somiaj> I would start by looking in /etc/ in the
initramfs configuration, in the lukes configuration, and see if you
just happen to have something duplicated
324[04:40:57] <somiaj> I don't use encryption or lvm, so
outside of theory, don't know much about this
325[04:41:09] <somiaj> (I don't like to many layers between
me and my data)
326[04:42:32] <ryouma> thanks. agreed about layers. i do not use
lvm precisely for that reason.
330[04:46:28] <ryouma> huh i have practically nothing in
/etc/{cryptsetup-initramfs,initramfs-tools}. just config files
commented out and the resume file.
331[04:48:46] <ryouma> there is
/usr/share/cryptsetup/initramfs/bin/cryptroot-unlock which i will
look at
332[04:49:43] <ryouma> oh, another thing is, the second password
prompt is obscured by other output that is apparently async.
333[04:52:44] <foul_owl> Does Debian officially support arm64 +
rpi or is experimental? I would prefer to stick with Debian if
possible
335[04:53:22] <somiaj> arm64 is an offical debian port, and is
supported.
336[04:53:52] <somiaj> Though due to pi's, non-free
firmware to make work, specific hardware can sometimes require
tweaks and here is where my knowledge is fairly low
337[04:53:58] <sney> there are prebuilt rpi images (debian only
officially distributes installers) on raspi.debian.net as well, and
may work out of the box on your devices
339[04:55:27] <somiaj> And unsure if it is possible to run the
pi without some non-free firmware, and anything not in main is not
offically supported (though doens't mean debian dosen't
try to ensure it meets debian quality standards)
343[04:57:32] <sney> but if anything was going to eventually get
reverse-engineered and not need those firmware files, it'd
probably be some series of rpi, because they're everywhere and
hacking is encouraged
365[05:27:02] <somiaj> is your system heating up (chrome can
take a lot of cpu ussage) and hardware will restart if it gets too
hot?
366[05:27:33] <somiaj> Bad memeory can also cause such a thing
(though usually more a hard freeze than a reboot, usually when my
machine would reboot underload, it was overheating. Blowing out
dust, better airflow helps)
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368[05:30:48] <warsoul> is super cold in the room
369[05:30:56] <warsoul> and i have really good cooling in pc
373[05:34:38] <ryouma> in my experience electric power can stop
momentarily and cause a reboot. which hypothesis can be more or less
falsified by other devices acting normally.
374[05:34:55] <ryouma> or by a ups
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408[07:04:24] <willow> is there a bullseye install image that
works with efi?
409[07:05:40] <somiaj> they all do
410[07:06:41] <willow> i try the netinst iso and am getting
"no compatible bootloader found" in vmware with firmware
type set to uefi and secure boot not enabled
411[07:07:26] <somiaj> the netinstall image is hybrid and will
boot either efi or legacy, either work. Unsure what vmware is doing,
so can't directly help with vmware
412[07:08:41] <willow> ok. yes i thought it was hybrid.
i've created debian live images before that were hybrid
476[08:39:59] <terr> Somiaj, I picked up the HP PROBOOK 4530s.
Tech was GOOD. I've got W7 pro, W10 pro, and an empty partition
for Debian. Sizes: W10 97.5GB, W7 99.9GB, LINUX 99.9GB (currently
empty) also System Reserved 49.9GB (what is this for)
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490[09:09:48] <foul_owl> somiaj: sney: thank you!
491[09:10:08] <somiaj> terr: ##windows might be more
appropriate, but it seems modern windows and some OEM version put a
backup copy on the drive or recovery mode. Exactly what it is can
vary and out of the scope of #debian
492[09:11:00] <somiaj> Rodon: maybe some connection issue with
that paticular secuirty mirror, I'd just try again.
503[09:17:45] <foul_owl> Having a strange issue with lxc. I have
it installed on a 32 bit arm debian 9 system, and I get normal
output like "Destroyed container foo"
504[09:18:05] <foul_owl> On a recent install of a 64 bit arm
system with Debian 10, I get output like this
509[09:18:54] <foul_owl> I'm just wondering if some
regression happened with the build of the lxc package from Debian 9
to 10
510[09:19:03] <somiaj> there is #debian-lxc on irc.oftc.net, but
it appears to be more about lxc packaging than support for it.
511[09:19:20] <somiaj> foul_owl: you could check the bugs if you
think this is a bug vs a configuration issue
512[09:19:30] <somiaj> known issues should be all recorded and
public in the bts
513[09:19:37] <foul_owl> Thank you! I will look
514[09:20:42] <somiaj> I'm not getting any hits on that
error in google
515[09:21:01] <somiaj> what are you doing to get this message?
you aren't running lxc-destory?
516[09:21:29] <foul_owl> It's not even an error, it's
just weird seeing the output formatting change from a "sane
output" ie "Container destroyed" to an output that
references it's own source code
525[09:23:58] <foul_owl> That package hasn't been flagged
for anything on arm64 has it? That's all I was wondering
526[09:24:02] <somiaj> foul_owl: maybe #debian-lxc could answer
if there was a change or OFTC, though be paitent with that channel
527[09:24:10] <foul_owl> Understood, thank you!
528[09:24:25] <somiaj> It might just have been an upstream
change, unknown, but I'm getting not hits or bug reports about
it in the debian package in my quick search
554[09:49:26] <somiaj> yea can depend on what you are looking
at, first machines report GB as powers of 1000, but it should really
be powers of 1024, (different uints)
555[09:49:30] <terr> I will check this out when I get Debian
installed.
556[09:50:03] <somiaj> so you often see less due to the fact
that compute byites using powers of 1024 for kilo,mega,giga,tera, do
not match manufactures who do this in powers of 1000
559[09:50:47] <somiaj> second, due to reserved space, overhead
of file systems and the likes you end up taking up some space for
that. ext4 will use 5% reserved by default, so there are various
reasons why the size you see is not the stated value on the hardware
569[09:53:22] <EdePopede> i started switching to 1% btw with
these insanely big disks of today. never had anny issues. for a 1TB
partition that's 40GB what i save, half of the size of my
sysdisk :D
570[09:54:02] <somiaj> It really depends, if your disk starts to
get full, that 5% can really help it keep from getting fraggmented
571[09:54:09] <somiaj> if your disk never gets that full, it
won't matter much anyways
575[09:55:18] <somiaj> but part of why ext? file systems
don't get fraggemented is having those reserved blocks, this
also helps you if you ever fill up your filesystem on accident.
576[09:55:40] <somiaj> (also might depend on if you read/write
lots of data to the disk or use it mostly as a unchanging collection
of data)
598[10:10:11] <terr> HP says the PROBOOK 4530s has 4x USB 2.0.
This one has 3x USB 2.0 + 1x USB 3.0... they must have done a
special mod for one of their big clients. Any other ideas?
602[10:12:32] <somiaj> of course we can't support windows
here, but most windows installs from manufactures don't use all
the space, they have a backup/recovery partiton, which is probably
why the my computer only sees the avialble space and not the full
drive size.
606[10:17:27] <terr> Oh. Well I don't care about windows. I
switched to Debian before 1998 and never looked back. Machine died
and I was too swamped to deal with it so I picked up a couple $50
machines for email. Now I am getting back into hard core stuff
607[10:18:57] <somiaj> you keep saying that, but you keep giving
us info about windows, "I just clicked on computer" that
is windows.
608[10:20:15] <terr> Because I picked up the computer this
afternoon and haven't installed anything in it. I just turned
it on. I had to ask for help to turn it off
609[10:20:41] <f00> why not format it?
610[10:20:54] <f00> get rid of the any preinstalled bloatware
613[10:21:23] <somiaj> That's fine, but recall in order to
understand why a windows install is only showing 350gb when it the
hardware reporst 500gb, you need to understand what windows is
doing, or get a tool that looks at the actual drive and not just one
partiion.
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615[10:22:16] <terr> F00, because I likely will need it.
617[10:23:30] <terr> Somiaj, no. The bill and the sticker say
500GB. I think the bill and sticker are wrong.
618[10:23:34] <f00> in that case use this:
replaced-url
619[10:23:46] <somiaj> terr: they are not
620[10:23:59] <terr> No. Partitions are just fine.
621[10:24:07] <f00> 50GB recovery isnt fine
622[10:24:21] <f00> all it needs is a 500MB
623[10:24:57] <somiaj> terr: but until you say get a disk
manager and look at the full disk (not the C: partition) you
can't see what the manufacture chose to do
624[10:25:02] <terr> Well It doesn't matter because I have
lots of space for Linux and external 1TB spare drives
628[10:26:04] <terr> I just need to know where is kaka is
629[10:26:25] <f00> what's the actual problem?
630[10:27:32] <terr> F00. There is no problem. I'm just
figuring out what this machine has installed. So far it looks great
631[10:28:16] <f00> if it's new, do yourself a f avor and
format it and start fresh
632[10:28:21] <EdePopede> terr: first thing i do is not to boot
into the preinstalled windows, but into the bios. after reading the
brochure. and check what options i have during boot. and the first
OS boot ideally is a live system and not the preinstalled one ;)
633[10:29:00] <EdePopede> using linux for such things already is
better because it doesn't cheat at you.
742[10:31:44] <terr> I think first thing is prepare an external
USB boot drive and don't even touch the internal drive. I need
this to install Debian anyways
743[10:32:07] <EdePopede> f00: depends on the
manufacturer/seller really. when i bought this one i had them
install my old XP and also SP3 which i didn't have yet for a
few extra bucks. wanted to make me a C: of 150GB. when i said 50 is
more than enough he looked at me as if i would have told him i want
DOS5 installed. MCSE of course, just knew what he had learned in his
courses.
744[10:32:08] <f00> sorry, but first thing you need to do is get
rid of bloatware
755[10:34:17] <EdePopede> it *may* be a good idea to be able to
return to the initial state, depending on the state of the system
now a full backup may be the way or shrinking the bloatware as much
as possible if it's affordable. unless there's a reset ISO
on a backup partition (the original XP PC came with such a thing).
772[10:37:03] <EdePopede> f00: after using linux for some time i
started implementing at least some of the directory structure on my
DOS/WIN PC. kind of. C:\BIN in the path, start scripts for bigger
programs, even got some order in WIN. i still don't understand
why they produced such a horrible mess.
889[12:56:40] <mirak> that's what I did easily with grub
bios
890[12:56:48] <niak> it's suppose add the entry to load the
grub.efi file
891[12:56:58] <niak> then you edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
892[12:57:16] <niak> most of the time the automated way is using
grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
893[12:57:29] <mirak> when you are in /boot/grub/grub.cfg you
are already in an installed OS
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895[12:58:10] <niak> I am really not understanding your question
896[12:58:41] <mirak> what I did with grub bios, was having a
dedicated partition with a grub, and then I chainloaded grubs in
/os1/boot/grub/core.img /os2/boot/grub/core.img
897[12:59:19] <mirak> that way if default OS is trashed for some
reason, I could still boot others
899[12:59:53] <niak> usually the boot partition rest on its own
partition anyway
900[13:00:10] <mirak> what you suggest is having a master grub
that can run kernel of other OS, but I want a master grub that can
run other grubs of other OS
901[13:00:29] <niak> you only should need one version of grub
902[13:00:35] <niak> You're over complicating it.
903[13:00:40] <mirak> no I do not
904[13:00:45] <mirak> it makes things safer
905[13:00:57] <mirak> it makes the OS independents
906[13:01:02] <niak> grub lives on its own partition and usually
doesn't get trashed
921[13:05:10] <mirak> I didn't think it would be necessary,
since uefi is supposed to offer you to choose what os to boot, but I
fail to do it beside windows and linux, it seems the different linux
os installed always default to the same one
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962[13:50:47] <Paulo> Hi everyone. I am new to Ledger. I am
running Ledger on Debian. I am trying to use the report command but
I don´t know how to install the scrip. Can someone guide me?
963[13:50:56] <Paulo> I am getting -bash: report: command not
found
964[13:51:03] <Paulo> Ledger documentation says to ¨install
the ´report´ anywhere along your PATH¨ which I
don´t know how to do
968[13:54:42] <Paulo> niak, I have looked at the Ledger
documentation which says that I need to ¨install the
´report´ anywhere along your PATH¨
969[13:54:51] <Aebian> what could be the reason that apt
complains like this: libc-dev-bin : Depends: libc6 (< 2.29) but
2.31-12 is to be installed (I'm on buster, stable release).
Already tried apt clean. Should I just use the version flag to
install a lower version?
971[13:55:11] <niak> it's talking about the .dat file
972[13:55:16] <niak> i believe
973[13:55:22] <niak> report isn't a ledger command
974[13:56:09] <Paulo> ¨ The script to do this is included in
the ledger distribution, and is named contrib/report. Install report
anywhere along your PATH, and then use report instead of ledger when
doing a register report.¨
985[14:00:47] <Paulo> niak, sorry I think I am missing
something. I have not put the script anywhere because I don´t
where to look for it in my system. I am assuming it should be
somewhere because I have installed ledger
1042[15:11:27] <neo4> And I will end with a quote from Morpheus:
“What is reality? How do you determine this? The whole
spectrum of sensations: visual, tactile, olfactory - these are
receptor signals, electrical impulses perceived by the brain. "
1043[15:11:50] <neo4> so we are the artificial beings and unreal
:)
1064[15:20:01] <Deknos> hey, i have serious problems with my
firefox 78.10 on debian stable... i often do not reach youtube and
get timeouts. any idea? a keyword for google would be also okay, i
have no idea what's this problem
1069[15:24:42] <Deknos> funnily, when i loaded youtube and open
youtube with a new tab, i ALSO get timeouts. but in a VM with
kubuntu for example i do not have this problem
1070[15:25:04] <Deknos> firefox ist from buster security
1102[16:04:55] <Angs> Is there any reason why Debian mirror sites
don't use https? as an example, would it cause any issue if it
was using https for
replaced-url
1103[16:06:41] <PMT> I believe you want to have
apt-transport-https to do that.
1105[16:07:07] <PMT> Oh, my knowledge is old, that's a dummy
package now, and you can just do it. :)
1106[16:09:18] <Angs> I would like to fetch some files from the
repo without using apt (writing my own code). I was wondering what
would be the best practice in terms of security to fetch content
from a Debian mirror site. Both http and ftp are insecure and not
encrypted. Is there a better way to do it?
1107[16:10:05] <PMT> Why would https not be a reasonable choice?
1110[16:11:04] <Angs> when I look at the options on
replaced-url
1111[16:11:48] <Angs> I looked at Arc, their repos are the same
(without "s"). There is probably a good reason, but I
couldn't understand it. Does anyone know why?
1113[16:15:48] <somiaj> Angs: partly historical, partly apt
already has checksums and secuirty methods in it, party you
won't gain much using https, partly due to the amount of debian
mirrors, and being shared by volunteers, many of them haven't
upgraded to https.
1116[16:16:25] <somiaj> The biggest argument I hear for https is
privacy, people can't see what packages you download, but
anyone could just look at the size of the files you downloaded and
figure out what packages they were
1142[16:37:36] <Angs> what would be the security issue if one
uses unencrypted repo? Intuitively, I'd go for an encrypted
version rather than a plain-text version, but I am not able to think
what can go wrong to use a source without the encryption? Would data
integrity be the only concern?
1143[16:37:42] <SubOptimal> Angs: For an HTTPS mirror you could
try as described at
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1146[16:39:54] <Mazhive> hi guys i wander if some one can guide
me to get bridge working on virtmanager i cant get virt manager to
show the bridge in the network details of virt manager there fore it
does not work i am having this issue a long time , cause i dont
bother fixing it because i end up not using it but at sometime it
worke all just worked. what i have done , used nm-editor settings to
get a bridge0 to work i have a 4.19.0-16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
4.19.181-1 , so it may
1147[16:39:54] <Mazhive> be a debian 10 issue or a virtmanager
issue i dont know for sure.
1148[16:40:14] <Angs> Great thanks.
1149[16:40:28] <zmotaj> Angs: data integrity isn't really a
problem, because apt already uses checksums etc
1150[16:40:36] <zmotaj> it's mostly a privacy thing
1175[17:17:44] <jelly> f00, there's no need to spam
freenode/libera issues everywhere, even if it seems current staff is
not following their own policies
1248[18:06:02] <mirak> I wanted to know if the path of
/boot/efi/EFI/debian/grub.cfg is hardcoded in
/boot/efi/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi , like it is in Ubuntu
1249[18:06:58] <unixbsd> your EFI shall be on active part... and
type ef
1250[18:07:16] <unixbsd> vfat. you need EFI/BOOT or alike to run
1251[18:07:41] <mirak> ?
1252[18:07:57] <mirak> I know that
1253[18:08:03] <unixbsd> tigryss: eDP-1 only
1254[18:08:09] <mirak> I want to multiboot, but have some
problems
1255[18:08:12] <unixbsd> is your other monitor plugged? seems not
seen
1256[18:08:51] <unixbsd> mirak: I made a new multiboot, study my
source code, how that works:
replaced-url
1387[19:31:55] <hramrach> those libraries are not meant to be
installed on the system, ever. Only downloaded at random from the
internet without any verification whatsoever
1438[20:20:12] <Abarrat> Hi, if a root user did chroot /mnt for
whatever reason, as root, how can they get out of it. ischroot is
showing "1" even after using exit
1439[20:21:00] <somiaj> Abarrat: why not just kill the shell that
did that?
1480[20:56:54] <dpkg> well, wir is When It's Ready. See also
<rsn> and <siyh>.
1481[20:57:33] <somiaj> narutowaifu: I know the above isn't
that useful, but that is the time frame debian works on (kinda). The
rumor mill thinks in the next month or two. There are still rc bugs
left (follow those) and a few issues with the installer they are
working on
1482[20:57:37] <somiaj> !rc bugs
1483[20:57:37] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with
critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release
of Debian. See the graph at
replaced-url
1485[21:00:17] <narutowaifu> ok thanks somiaj. Anyway I
wasn't expecting any precise date, I was just curious since I
knew it's expected to release this year
1486[21:01:05] <somiaj> I have heard June by a few people I
trust, but as always, it can varry
1489[21:02:05] <somiaj> I know the release team is a bit more
agressive since the one release in which the freeze was over a year.
So once they installer gets to a good point and they want to push it
out, they will start agressivally removing packages or ignoring
rc-bugs if they deem the package should be in debian.
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1492[21:02:33] <n4dir> perhaps i recall one release wrong, but i
think since ~2005 something like release ~half a year after freeze
happened all the time
1493[21:02:37] <somiaj> So my guess is in the next month or two
they will get a bit more agressive about pushing out the release if
matainers haven't made any progress on their rc bugs.
1507[21:07:18] <huhuhu> I am looking for advice. I would like to
write a program that recognizes the words I am speaking and, upon
recognition, executes a command on the system.
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1514[21:10:09] <somiaj> huhuhu: Personally I would look for a
speach to text program (I didn't find any in my quick search in
debian so far), then most likely have a confirmation that prints out
the command and asks are you sure you want to run this, then execute
it in a shell
1524[21:16:42] <huhuhu> I could compare two audio files and do
something like that based on it. But how? After all, I have to
recognize if the audio data is a word. When does it begin and when
it ends.
1632[22:25:54] <velix> Sorry, ZNC crashed after update.
1633[22:26:12] <velix> sney: "gpg.d" sounds like it
*needs* gpg ;)
1634[22:29:10] <velix> sney: could you please repeat what you
said before "er" ?
1635[22:29:40] <sney> apt uses gpgv for the minimal signature
verification it does, it doesn't need all of "gnupg and
its huge dependencies" for its own internal mojo.
1636[22:30:07] <sney> velix: I said apt-key is deprecated and new
keys should go in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d. this is also in the
apt-key man page.
1650[22:32:40] <velix> yep, I've just changed my howtos.
1651[22:33:31] <sney> velix: also, you asked if this channel has
moved - official debian channels have been on OFTC since 2006. imo
it's unlikely that freenode #debian will go away as long as the
server is up and people come here with questions, but it's not
strictly official either
1652[22:33:59] <sney> apparently there is also a #debian on
libera, and other networks as well
1653[22:34:13] <velix> sney: Okay. Since many channels are about
to move to Libera.
1655[22:36:05] <sney> as you noticed with apt-key, debian does
not make big changes quickly ;)
1656[22:36:29] <jhutchins> The new network is not ready for prime
time yet. Nobody's answering help messages on #libera
1657[22:36:50] <PMT> I believe they said something about dealing
with a DDoS, so they may be busy.
1658[22:37:00] <velix> sney: Hmm... The apt-key stuff
doesn't seem to be so easy, according to the website i've
just posted.
1659[22:37:17] <EdePopede> maybe staff have collapsed all at the
same time ;)
1660[22:37:31] <sney> velix: what's not easy about
downloading an .asc signature and sticking it in a specific location
on your disk?
1661[22:37:57] <velix> sney: because there seems to be
ascii-armored files, which can be ".gpg, .asc, .key, and
probably others"
1662[22:38:03] <sney> ah, I see that website thinks you need to
dearmor it
1663[22:38:24] <somiaj> though the bullseye relasenotes say it
will be removed by bookworm, and the biggest thing they need to
provide is apt-key list funcationliaty
1664[22:38:51] <sney> as you can see in the apt-key man page
describing the change, .gpg and .asc files are both fine. you can
just download the file and stick it in that dir and it will
generally work. I haven't found one yet that doesn't.
1665[22:39:17] <velix> sney: My man page doesn't say this,
but let me look up the latest one :D
1666[22:40:03] <sney> buster and bullseye both have this note
under the 'add' command in apt-key's man page:
1667[22:40:04] <sney> Note: Instead of using this command a
keyring should be placed directly in the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
directory with a descriptive name and either "gpg" or
"asc" as file extension.
1668[22:40:52] <sney> I think some of these online howtos
overcomplicate things for SEO reasons, like they need a minimum word
count to be searchable
1669[22:41:12] <somiaj> !debian irc
1670[22:41:12] <dpkg> The offical Debian IRC network is OFTC
(irc.debian.org or irc.oftc.net). Please join OFTC to connect with
debian support and development communities. See
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1671[22:41:34] <somiaj> For those interested, I would suggest
using OFTC for debian support due to the wide variety of channels it
has beyond just #debian
1672[22:41:42] <tater> !debian libera
1673[22:42:05] <somiaj> We have a #debian on libera, and will set
it up to for fact sharing
1674[22:42:06] <somiaj> !fact sharing
1675[22:42:07] <dpkg> I show the same facts on both
<freenode> and <OFTC>. If you update a fact on one
network, it will show up on the other network.
1676[22:42:15] <somiaj> hmm, I should update that to include
Libera
1677[22:42:34] <sney> I was going to add it yesterday but
wasn't sure what the plan was for bots
1679[22:43:13] <somiaj> still a work in progress. Just due to so
many networks, OFTC is where prefered support should be, but
we'll try to manage channels on networks in which there is a
demand.
1680[22:43:15] <velix> sney: Thanks, I've updated my notes
again :)
1689[22:50:00] <velix> sney: works fine! `curl -kLR "replaced-url
1690[22:50:37] <ryouma> somiaj: fwiw
/usr/share/cryptsetup/initramfs/bin/cryptroot-unlock has nothing
obviously duplicated. is there a place where i might find this file
as it is typically installed by installer? perhaps it is some 1-char
fie corruption or something.
1691[22:51:00] <somiaj> ryouma: yea unsure, I don't deal
with crypt enough to understand why initramfs is needing to ask for
your password twice.
1694[22:51:56] <ryouma> also wondering the reason for this
question? ohhhhhhhhh you are saying possibly one is for root and
another is for another drive? the prompt names the drive. --- 19:31
<somiaj> do you happen to have two different lukes that just
use the same password?
1697[22:52:56] <somiaj> yea, I was wondering if maybe you have
(since you don't use lvm) two encrypted partition, I was
thinking maybe / and /home, but something along those lines
1698[22:53:05] <ryouma> it would be interesting in any case to
find a typical debian stretch (luks-using but non-lvm-using if that
matters) initramfs that i can compare to mine
1699[22:53:33] <ryouma> good idea. i think not the case here.
1700[22:53:46] <ryouma> will confirm though
1701[22:53:55] <somiaj> I went with lukes/lvm on my laptop just
to test it out, but the debian installer made everything so
seamless, I really don't know how it works, I just have to type
a single password in each time I boot
1702[22:54:49] <ryouma> i also assume initramfs will read
crypttab and thus read thekey file for home. ohhhhhhhhh btw,
sometimes, intermittently, home does not get mounted.
1703[22:54:52] <somiaj> Might want to reask your question, others
may actually know better where to look.
1704[22:54:54] <ryouma> so there is som aync issue
1706[22:55:05] <somiaj> ryouma: so your / and /home are different
partitions?
1707[22:55:09] <ryouma> yes
1708[22:55:21] <somiaj> and each of them are encyprted
indvudially?
1709[22:55:27] <ryouma> yes
1710[22:55:55] <ryouma> and key files for them are on /
1711[22:55:57] <somiaj> that could explain needing two passwords,
maybe it doens't use a single password to unlock the keys for
both partitions at once, and something changed to require this
1712[22:56:32] <somiaj> though here my knowledge of how this all
works is very limited, but that could possibly be why initramfs is
asking for two passwords, one to unlock / and another to unlock
/home (despite the same password should unlock both keys)
1713[22:56:50] <ryouma> but, to me at least, it should read
crypttab and fstab. and it should unlock home after /. and reading
crypttab will locate the key file in /.
1714[22:57:23] <somiaj> here my knowledge is not enough to say
why this is happening of anything special needs to be done so it
unlocks both keyfiles with the same password.
1715[22:58:08] <ryouma> unlocking is actually always done with a
key. the password is to unlock the key that is in the luks header.
but i also have that key on / so that no password is necessary.
1716[22:58:53] <somiaj> well I think your setup has something to
do with this, and maybe someone who actually knows the details can
help you figure out why a single entery of the password won't
give you access to both keys
1717[22:58:55] <ryouma> and cli experiments such as cryptsetup
luksopen on stuff confirm this. i will double check that the
requests are both for / next time i boot though.
1719[23:01:30] <ryouma> yes it i in principle plssible hat when
home is not mounted, it is because the second passwrod is not
entered correctly. and i didn't check to see that it was ---
actually no, it would ask for the password again in such a case. so
idk.
1723[23:04:41] <ryouma> (anyway for anybody curious who is
listening, i have these issues 1 i get asked for password twice upon
boot 2 other boot messages are printed after the second prompt i.e.
async 3 home is sometimes not mounted. i have keys on /, and
cryptsetup is set up to point to those keys, thus no password should
be necessary for anything except boot. i have boot plaintext.
everything else luks.)
1724[23:06:32] <ryouma> also in general i'd be interested in
a pointer to something tha would be similar to a just-installed
initramfs that has luks but no lvm for amd64.
1725[23:07:26] <jhutchins> ryouma: What I would suggest is a
default install, possibly bypassing lvm, and learning how linux
works before adding complicating layers.
1726[23:07:59] <jhutchins> ryouma: Use a simple single partition
+ swap, and learn what's there before you start customising.
1727[23:09:13] <ryouma> i didn't customize anything other
than through the installer
1728[23:09:29] <ryouma> i.e. making the choices it presented to
me
1750[23:24:45] <lenswipe> jhutchins, actually...im looking at at
dmesg right now
1751[23:24:54] <lenswipe> what am i looking for?
1752[23:24:58] <lenswipe> im not seeing anything about usb
version
1753[23:25:13] <jhutchins> usb device connected or something like
that.
1754[23:25:23] <lenswipe> oh, there's a bunch of stuff in
there from the device
1755[23:25:31] <lenswipe> just nothing that i can immediately see
as being related to usb version
1756[23:25:50] <PMT> One such line that I can get that
information from in my log is "usb 3-2: new SuperSpeed Gen 1
USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd"
1757[23:26:32] <PMT> (I believe; as I previously stated, I do
this another way. ;))
1758[23:27:01] <lenswipe> PMT, i looked at lsusb -t and it gave
me a bunch of interesting info, but nothing much about USB version
that i could see
1768[23:28:59] <lenswipe> right, but none of those mean much to
me
1769[23:29:08] <PMT> what is the speed of USB 2?
1770[23:29:12] <lenswipe> no idea
1771[23:29:21] <lenswipe> according to google 480M
1772[23:29:24] <somiaj> I don't think dmesg clearly states
usb2/3 but it does state the module that is used, and I belive that
is a sign of usb2/3
1773[23:29:26] <lenswipe> so, i guess that means it's a USB2
device?
1774[23:29:34] <PMT> somiaj: not any more, unfortunately
1775[23:29:42] <lenswipe> bugger.
1776[23:29:44] <somiaj> PMT: hmm, must have been a while since
I've last cared to do this
1777[23:29:53] <PMT> somiaj: consider: kernel: usb 2-4.1: new
low-speed USB device number 5 using xhci_hcd
1778[23:30:12] <somiaj> ahh so the xhci module now supports both
usb2 and 3?
1779[23:30:22] <jhutchins> Who put that S key there.the line
before that may something like "low speed usb device
connected"
1780[23:30:24] <somiaj> or maybe I'm just getting old it was
the usb1/2 switch this mattered
1781[23:30:27] <lenswipe> Well...this is kind of an XY problem
1782[23:30:39] <lenswipe> I'm trying to find out the USB
speed because I want to stream video from a USB 2 camera.
1783[23:30:41] <PMT> I want to say it always did but old devices
used to swap which controller things connected to? I could be wrong.
1784[23:31:04] <lenswipe> I'm trying to stream rawvideo
because I'm doing this on a pi and the act of transcoding drops
the framerate to the point of it being unusable.
1785[23:31:13] <PMT> Because I definitely also remember seeing
{e,o,x}hci as an indicator.