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3 [00:03:50] <noisemaker> Is ther eany GUI application to
adjust screen settings ?
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5 [00:04:13] <sney> usually built in to a desktop environment
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7 [00:06:16] <noisemaker> sney: XFCE do not allow to change the
contrast, ...
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9 [00:06:25] <noisemaker> Atleast in my machine
10 [00:07:30] <petn-randall> noisemaker: You usually can only
change the brightness, not the contrast.
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12 [00:07:36] <sney> if it's a desktop, use the monitor
controls. if it's a laptop, try the acpi hotkeys, or look up
e.g. 'linux adjust contrast' for your specific model
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14 [00:08:01] <sney> adjusting the screen tilt also kind of
works.
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22 [00:12:26] <noisemaker> hum ok.
23 [00:12:48] <noisemaker> Is there any window manager super
light to work with XFCE4 ?
24 [00:13:19] <petn-randall> noisemaker: Do your laptop keys for
changing brightness work?
25 [00:13:37] <sney> most xfce4 users stick with xfwm4 but I
imagine the usual openbox/blackbox wms work too
26 [00:13:41] <noisemaker> petn-randall: yes
27 [00:14:06] <noisemaker> sney: what is the default WM at
Debian 10 ?
28 [00:14:16] <sney> strictly speaking, mutter
29 [00:14:22] <petn-randall> heh :)
30 [00:14:30] <sney> but debian has a lot of choices, and
depending on what you choose to install, you may get a different wm
31 [00:14:40] <beelzebuzz> noisemaker: take a look at the config
file for redshift on github
32 [00:14:47] <sney> this isn't like "lubuntu" or
whatever where everyone is supposed to have the same gui
33 [00:14:50] <beelzebuzz> it might fix your contrast thing
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35 [00:16:28] <noisemaker> sney: I just want to have light XFCE
36 [00:16:43] <sney> noisemaker: xfce is already pretty
"light"
37 [00:17:06] <sney> noisemaker: we can't answer this for
you, just try different things until you find something you like
38 [00:17:07] <beelzebuzz> noisemaker: use pcmanfm for your
filemanager and desktop icons
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40 [00:17:30] <petn-randall> !lightweight
41 [00:17:31] <dpkg> <mjg59> To a first approximation,
when someone says "Lightweight" what they mean is "I
don't understand the problems that the alternative
solves". (replaced-url
42 [00:17:40] <noisemaker> :P
43 [00:17:44] <sney> lol. +1
44 [00:17:44] <petn-randall> :P
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49 [00:26:16] <vela> I'm looking to run a program on tty
spawn right after boot, instead of the default login prompt.
I've tried creating a systemd unit file (identical to the
answer to this question
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52 [00:30:03] <zerocool> friends when i ping an address it
returns old IP, how can i flush cache for this one record, or all?
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59 [00:33:52] <zerocool> nvm just added to hosts g2g thanks
though
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128 [01:56:39] <scruloose> This may be a dumb question, but... is
there any way to run Docker containers on Buster without simply
accepting that anything running as root in any of the containers
also has root on the host?
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130 [01:57:14] <scruloose>
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131 [02:00:17] <scruloose> Apparently there's a
"rootless mode" now, but it was introduced as experimental
in v19.03 and "graduated from experimental in Docker Engine
v20.10"
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136 [02:02:10] <scruloose> But the version in Buster repos is
18.09 and there doesn't seem to be a backport.
137 [02:04:07] <backupluis> Hi, I have a problem when I create a
large file, for example copying to samba share or when I start to
download a big torrent, the disk stay busy (For file creation) for a
long time and all other process such as PHP get stuck trying for
access to filesystem for a long time, in my example I use php to
serve movies to my internal network and playback stops when such
large operations are in process, Is there any way to set debian give
low
138 [02:04:07] <backupluis> priority to file creation process or
to give high priority to php disk read?
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140 [02:04:49] <freem> ionice?
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142 [02:06:15] <scruloose> Am I missing something, or is the
situation actually just that a) to use docker containers you must be
in the docker group, b) being in the docker group allows you to run
the docker program, which is SUID root, and c) full, persistent root
privilege escalation is trivial for containers running on a system
with SUID root docker executable...?
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144 [02:08:39] <backupluis> I just search for ionice and this is
what I need, thanks freem.
145 [02:08:49] <freem> yw
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147 [02:10:31] <scruloose> But the package description for
docker.io in the Buster repos says it provides "strong
guarantees of isolation..." I keep thinking I must be confused
about some piece of this. Anyone?
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150 [02:11:26] <sney> scruloose: if it's something as
fundamental as that, it should be true on all platforms, so you
might get the best answers in #docker
151 [02:11:47] <sney> docker.io may be in the debian archive but
there's not typically a lot of support for it in here
152 [02:12:00] <sney> or endorsement, etc
153 [02:12:14] <freem> I don't know about this particular
problem, but docker is just namespaces+cgroups+chroot+selinux (or
maybe apparmor). I don't think any of those tech can protect
magically without efforts against everything
154 [02:12:52] <freem> but maybe I'm wrong about everything
on that one.
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156 [02:13:45] <scruloose> Well, current docker release
doesn't require SUID root, apparently... though it does rely on
kernel unpriv userns... which most distros have enabled by default
but Debian doesn't.... so a lot of this may actually be
Debian-specific.
157 [02:14:57] <freem> maybe you can enable userns with sysctl?
158 [02:15:58] <scruloose> freem: yep, but I'm still stuck
with an old SUID-only Docker v18, so then I have *two* problems. ;-)
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161 [02:17:56] <scruloose> I think this is the first time
I've been actually shocked to find something absent in
debian-backports.
162 [02:20:28] <scruloose> And sure, none of those tech can
protect magically against all threats, but there's a big gap
between that and "makes it trivially easy to access the entire
host filesystem with root privileges", yes?
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164 [02:21:28] <freem> but didn't you said yourself the
containers' content runs as root? Which is... well, not a
classic security measure :)
165 [02:22:44] <scruloose> True, but so does, say, mount. Show me
an easily-exploitable privilege-escalation avenue in mount, and
I'll be impressed. Or chrome-sandbox.
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167 [02:24:35] <scruloose> AFAICT, the Docker release in the
official Buster repos doesn't "potentially contain
exploitable privilege-escalation bugs" so much as
"provides privilege escalation right out of the box"
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169 [02:24:42] <freem> mount is a program, probably receiving
security fixs since decades. chrome is younger, but I'd say it
also have people caring about it's sec (plus, it does not runs
as root IIRC)
170 [02:25:09] <freem> but yeah, I agree this shuold be fixed.
It's not my intent to say it's normal :)
171 [02:25:12] <scruloose> Not chrome, chrome-sandbox. Which does
run SUID root.
172 [02:25:27] <freem> does it? I didn't knew that, thanks
for info
173 [02:25:55] <sney> isn't being able to run a
containerized app from an unknown source, without it being able to
mess with anything outside the container, the *whole point* of
docker?
174 [02:26:10] <sney> this seems like a major oversight
considering that
175 [02:27:21] <scruloose> sney: Yes, that. That is exactly why
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this and keep hoping
I'm missing something.
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179 [02:28:41] <sney> I don't use docker so I'm
unfamiliar with the technical details, but this seems pretty
fundamental. maybe it's fine, it's just not documented
well.
180 [02:29:29] <scruloose> freem: Yeah, chrome-sandbox an older
approach to sandboxing. Start with SUID root, do the namespace stuff
(without userns needing to be enabled), then run the sandboxed
program as the invoking regular user, but in the sandbox.
181 [02:29:55] <freem> and with changing uid I hope :)
182 [02:31:12] <scruloose> Given that a quick google search
brings up tutorials on how not to accidentally create root-owned
files on the host system that you then can't access as the user
who invoked the docker container... I'm not optimistic about
that.
183 [02:31:53] <scruloose> Accidental. Root. File creation. I
think I need to go lie down.
184 [02:32:00] <freem> I meant, for chrome-sandboxing
185 [02:32:08] <freem> haha yeah clearly
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187 [02:33:05] <scruloose> freem: yes. Once the chrome-sandbox
thing has done the setup, it runs whatever program *as the regular
user* who invoked it. Not as root.
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190 [02:34:36] <scruloose> In case you thought I was being
hyperbolic, here's an example of said tutorials:
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191 [02:36:18] <freem> don't worry, I trusted you on that
one. I think containers are seen as some magic silver (or mithril
maybe?) bullet solving all security problems
192 [02:36:35] <freem> by many people, at least
193 [02:37:25] <freem> I admit I don't know containers, but
I've read enough blogs articles where people seemed surprised
of the behavior/weight of their systems
194 [02:38:10] <scruloose> freem: I mean, yes, that's true,
but I think it kind of misses the point. I'm not freaking out
because containers fail to provide the advertised level of
protection. I'm freaking out because the Mithril-mail vest is
*surprise* actually a bomb!
195 [02:38:14] <freem> I personnally intend to study them (lxc or
docker) when I'll have real understandiing of the kernel
features they use. I feel that otherwise it's a bit...
pointless
196 [02:38:44] <freem> I see what you mean
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198 [02:41:07] <scruloose> So who should I pester about
backporting Docker v 20-something (which can work in "rootless
mode" from Bullseye to Buster as, like, an urgent security
priority?
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200 [02:42:17] <scruloose> Because people *are* adding users to
the docker group, and they *are* spinning up all sorts of stuff in
Docker containers...
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205 [02:46:53] <sney> scruloose: file a bug against src:docker.io
in stable. it'll get to the right people. buster-security had a
docker upload about 6 months ago via the same route
206 [02:47:32] <sney> scruloose: when you get to the tags section
in reportbug, make sure to include the 'security' tag
207 [02:48:18] <scruloose> Got it. Thanks for the pointer.
208 [02:49:13] <sney> np. and if you happen to be wrong about
this, it's also a good way to get the truth in writing. :)
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214 [02:56:16] <scruloose> sney: I really hope I'm wrong
about this.
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217 [03:01:42] <another> fwiw: i've been beginning to look
at rootless containers with podman which is in testing
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231 [03:12:00] <yanmaani> How do you get apt to use another
mirror of a repository in sources.list?
232 [03:12:05] <yanmaani> Is there some way to refresh it?
233 [03:12:36] <freem> might use HTTP_PROXY iirc, or apt's
config key for that variable
234 [03:12:43] <freem> if taht's what you meant
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258 [03:34:53] <kiwichap> hello
259 [03:35:11] <kiwichap> I am having a problem, if someone has
an idea to help it would be good
260 [03:35:35] <kiwichap> I cannot get into my computer because
the password for the root contains characters in a different
language keyboard
261 [03:35:41] <kiwichap> basically this character
262 [03:35:55] <kiwichap> °°
263 [03:36:21] <kiwichap> does anyone know how to type this in
the us keyboard or is there a way I can change it at sign in the
keyboard to the other language
264 [03:36:29] <kiwichap> so I can get in
265 [03:37:20] <kiwichap> I just thought for system commands I
was getting lost with the non american keyboard for simple things
like / or whatever
266 [03:38:03] <kiwichap> 1154 people nobody here to know this
answer?
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268 [03:38:32] <kiwichap> it's annoying
269 [03:40:44] <karlpinc> kiwichap: I don't suppose you can
cut and paste?
270 [03:40:53] <kiwichap> no
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273 [03:42:25] <karlpinc> kiwichap: Does this help?
replaced-url
274 [03:42:54] <karlpinc> (One of the first things to come up
when googling "linux character not on keyboard".)
275 [03:43:18] <kiwichap> yes that might help
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277 [03:43:55] <karlpinc> kiwichap: I'm thinking the
ctrl+shift+U+... technique might work.
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281 [03:44:19] * karlpinc can't recall if the sysctl key has
anything to do with code points
282 [03:44:23] <kiwichap> the password is this °
283 [03:44:30] <kiwichap> what is that one
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286 [03:44:56] <karlpinc> kiwichap: Dunno. Use wikipeida's
article on unicode or code points or something.
287 [03:44:58] <kiwichap> ctrl + shift + U
288 [03:45:22] <karlpinc> kiwichap: Wikipedia will have a
complete list somewhere.
289 [03:46:32] <karlpinc> kiwichap: This
replaced-url
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291 [03:47:54] <kiwichap> what's the code point
292 [03:48:31] <themill> If that's DEGREE SIGN, it's
U+00B0
293 [03:48:52] <karlpinc> kiwichap: Dunno. You have to either
look it up or cut and paste it into something that tells you.
294 [03:49:27] * karlpinc thinks it'd be nice to have a dpkg
factoid for typing characters, but can't even recall how to
search to look for such a thing
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297 [03:51:00] <kiwichap> thanks going to try
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306 [03:59:26] <kiwichap> ok I haven't got in yet but the
shift ctrl U and the 00B0 worked
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309 [04:00:41] <kiwichap> can someone provide me a link
310 [04:00:48] <kiwichap> cause I have another one
311 [04:02:16] <kiwichap> é this one and é"
312 [04:02:24] <kiwichap> "
313 [04:02:33] <kiwichap> that looks the same it's just the
e with the accent
314 [04:03:56] <kiwichap> found a table thank you
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316 [04:04:26] <kiwichap> everyone really appreciated... karlpinc
themill not in yet but close
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319 [04:05:38] <themill> np
320 [04:06:39] <kiwichap> thank you I am in now
321 [04:06:53] <kiwichap> that would be funny if someone could
hack my password when I knew the password and could hardly get in
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323 [04:09:52] <kiwichap> my internet is working but as a limited
connection
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325 [04:10:11] <kiwichap> very strange
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357 [05:00:16] <alex11> is it particularly quick to convert audio
files to flac using ffmpeg?
358 [05:00:25] <alex11> or easy, more importantly
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361 [05:02:37] <koolkat332> I could try to help you figure that
out
362 [05:02:41] <koolkat332> or find you a video
363 [05:03:00] <koolkat332> what format is the audio files?
364 [05:03:03] <koolkat332> wav ?
365 [05:03:48] <koolkat332> flac
366 [05:04:08] <n4dir> pacpl --to mp3 name_of.wav
367 [05:04:15] <n4dir> is not ffmpeg, of course
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369 [05:04:46] <n4dir> should be just as easy.
370 [05:05:51] <n4dir> ffmpeg -i input.mp3 output.ogg
371 [05:05:57] <n4dir> is what the web says.
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375 [05:07:50] <alex11> so ffmpeg -i input.mp3 output.flac?
376 [05:07:55] <alex11> or does it have to be ogg
377 [05:08:44] <n4dir> just an example, so no, it sure
doesn't have to be for pacpl, i didn't do it with ffmpeg,
but guess so
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382 [05:12:35] <alex11> yeah i guess i'll try it
383 [05:12:44] <alex11> mind you it's probably the
cheap-and-dirty way of doing it and there's better ways
384 [05:12:47] <alex11> but whatever
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390 [05:21:18] <n4dir> not that i could speak much about it, but
ffmpeg looks like a de-facto standard for many things
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392 [05:21:33] <n4dir> many things of that kind. duh
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394 [05:23:04] <quadrathoch2> scruloose, idk, why not directly
use podman (as in their repos) or docker repos for the newer version
(I guess that’s why it was never backported)
395 [05:26:02] * de-facto thinks so too
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421 [06:20:11] <zykotick9> alex11: converting lossy formats
(mp3/ogg/etc) to flac is a waste of space, for zero gain (and
probably a tiny bit of loss).
422 [06:20:26] <alex11> yeah, figures
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468 [07:47:27] <rgr> hmm. Can not get systemctl installr --user
services to work using an ecryptfs protected home directory. I
thought all user services wouold be started/checked for when logging
in but it seems not.
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497 [08:25:50] <unsecur3d> rgr what ?
498 [08:26:07] <unsecur3d> i have lvm with my encryption, dont
have an issue with systemtcl what is your issue ?
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516 [08:45:21] <quadrathoch2> His home folder is encrypted, yours
the whole disk I assume, and user services are in the home folder
-> issue
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519 [08:45:56] <unsecur3d> yup, gotcha
520 [08:46:19] <unsecur3d> cant he just unencrypt on boot ?
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523 [08:47:41] <quadrathoch2> Why would he want to have the home
folder then encrypted and not the whole disk
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527 [08:50:28] <unsecur3d> makes no sense to me, but hey everyone
has their ideal setup right :x
528 [08:50:55] <unsecur3d> i just encrypted my whole disk at
install and called it a day, for both linux and windows
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530 [08:52:39] <apollo13> that windows disk encryption thingy
where windows uploads the master keys to their servers? :D
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534 [08:54:50] <unsecur3d> nah bitlocker through local AD =) fuck
azure, they aint getting my data xD
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536 [08:55:51] <unsecur3d> and it sucks because microsoft is
really pushing hard for everything Azure from the looks of it, but
unless i cannot run local AD i'm not moving to Azure. i like to
own my data
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553 [09:13:05] <r3m1> hello
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555 [09:14:04] <doc|work> anyone know how I can change the path
for the cron pidfile. Setting it up in docker.
556 [09:14:09] <doc|work> *?
557 [09:14:29] <r3m1> i have a remote embedded computer running
debian 7. System is installed on an SD card. df shows that there are
still plenty of space in the different partitions, however if I try
to SCP a file to it it says no space left on device
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560 [09:15:28] <r3m1> is df reliable ? is there any other
alternative ? moreover, the system has been running for ~4 years. Is
there any tool that can diagnose the health of the SD card while it
is running ? while it is not running ?
561 [09:15:48] <doc|work> sorry, I'm tired, by change I
should say specify the pidfile path. I'm starting it using
supervisord calling cron -f &
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577 [09:34:14] <quadrathoch2> r3m1 are you sure the sdcard is
healthy?
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589 [09:45:01] <e3d3> what package do I need to install to get
GNU make ?
590 [09:45:20] <azeem_> e3d3: make
591 [09:45:51] <EdePopede> does a list exist on the changes
mozilla makes to firefox?
592 [09:45:53] <e3d3> azeem_, :)
593 [09:46:20] <e3d3> azeem_, please forget and erase my
question. I was expecting a dev-something package
594 [09:46:23] <azeem_> EdePopede: can you rephrase that? Cause
Mozille makes firefox, it doesn't make changes to it
595 [09:46:42] <wigums> yes they have a changelog
596 [09:46:42] <e3d3> azeem_, and thanks
597 [09:47:17] <EdePopede> azeem_: debian had even to rename it
in the past, so they MUST do some changes. or do they just download
the upstream tgz and type "make"?
598 [09:48:05] <e3d3> what package do I have to install to
compile source code, beside 'make' ?
599 [09:48:21] <nkuttler> e3d3: build-essential is a good start
600 [09:48:25] <wigums> build-essentials?
601 [09:48:34] <nkuttler> e3d3: what are you trying to build?
602 [09:48:41] <EdePopede> because whole of mozilla is just a
single usability hell, which is far more embarassing for a browser
than for any other type of desktop software.
603 [09:48:53] <r3m1> quadrathoch2: with this behaviour I think
the sdcard might not be healthy, but I cant really check
604 [09:49:00] <e3d3> nkuttler, thank you
605 [09:49:19] <e3d3> nkuttler, I want to build a newer Emacs
version
606 [09:49:24] <r3m1> quadrathoch2: unless it is possible to
check from remote using the system it is currently running on, which
seems quite hazardous
607 [09:49:34] <nkuttler> e3d3: apt-get build-dep
<emacspackage>
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609 [09:50:31] <e3d3> nkuttler, allready install build-essentials
with synaptic, but remember the procedure. Thanks again
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611 [09:52:57] <azeem_> EdePopede: who is "they"?
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613 [09:53:36] <azeem_> I guess you mean "list of changes
Debian makes to firefox"?
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616 [09:55:00] <EdePopede> azeem_: i don't know names on
debian. only deborah and ian murdock. persons who download code from
websites as part of jobs at debian and do things to it until it will
be part of the distribution.
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618 [09:56:01] <EdePopede> and yes, that's what i said i
guess.
619 [09:56:33] <azeem_> EdePopede: you said "changes mozilla
makes to firefox", which just doesn't make sense
620 [09:56:47] <azeem_> for the changes Debian makes to firefox,
download the source package and check it out
621 [09:56:53] <azeem_> usually they are in debian/patches
622 [09:56:57] <EdePopede> arrrrr, correct.
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624 [09:57:35] <EdePopede> wait, is this a source code file?
625 [09:58:20] <e3d3> nkuttler, 'apt-get build-dep
emacs-27.1' tells 'You must put some 'source'
URIs in your sources.list'. What should I do with this ?
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627 [09:58:37] <e3d3> nkuttler, normal ./configure tells: no X
development libraries were found.
628 [09:58:53] <EdePopede> omg, how big *is* /usr/share/doc? it
just doesn't `cd` in mc, instead slows down the system
629 [10:00:10] <ksk> EdePopede: does not sound likely to be a
expected problem :>
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632 [10:00:28] <quadrathoch2> R3m1 you could look for bad blocks
with badblocks
633 [10:00:28] <EdePopede> changelog.Debian is definitely not
what i'm looking for
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636 [10:01:03] <e3d3> nkuttler, should I install xorg-dev ?
637 [10:01:34] <quadrathoch2> R3m1 btw what file system are you
running?
638 [10:01:36] <EdePopede> ksk: same for unpacking the few
monster packages like java and office after upgrades, i still had to
take them out of the update list for the system load it creates.
unpacking xz is still too much for this pc.
639 [10:02:51] <nkuttler> e3d3: i've never built emacs
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641 [10:03:17] <nkuttler> e3d3: but pick the emacs package that
is closest to what you want and get the build deps i guess
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643 [10:04:14] <EdePopede> ksk: next to 2400 entries, of which
2050 remain after unmarking links.
644 [10:05:47] <e3d3> nkuttler, nm, after installing xorg-dev it
keeps complaining that 'some' dev libs/packages are
missing. Guess I better install everything from synaptic
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648 [10:07:14] <quadrathoch2> e3d3 did you add sources to
sources.list?
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650 [10:07:27] <e3d3> quadrathoch2, no
651 [10:07:46] <quadrathoch2> That’s why apt build-deps
fails
652 [10:08:06] <quadrathoch2> so why not add them and you get all
deps for emacs installed
653 [10:08:20] <e3d3> quadrathoch2, I don't know about
sources.list. Will read about it. Thank you
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655 [10:08:46] <quadrathoch2> !buster sources.list
656 [10:08:46] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
replaced-url
657 [10:08:56] <quadrathoch2> e3d3 ^
658 [10:09:06] <quadrathoch2> The deb-src part
659 [10:09:55] <e3d3> quadrathoch2, now I understand; I need to
add the src-repo, not ? But why if I downloaded the Emacs source and
only need build tools ?
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661 [10:12:02] <e3d3> and which of the multiple available
src-repo's do I need, only for the main repo or also for update
& security ?
662 [10:12:52] <quadrathoch2> hm, for an easy backport, you add
the deb-src of bullseye, backports and probably main debian repo,
apt source <package>, apt build-dep <package>, apt
install dpkg-dev, go into the folder of the source -> dch
—bpo and then build the whole thing
663 [10:13:14] <quadrathoch2> !ssb
664 [10:13:14] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install
build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source
packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation
options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid
see <uupdate>.
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666 [10:14:03] <quadrathoch2> ,checkbackport emacs
667 [10:14:30] <judd> Backporting package emacs in
sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
archignore, buster, virtual.
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669 [10:14:49] <quadrathoch2> Wow, great sounds like a very easy
build
670 [10:14:50] <r3m1> quadrathoch2: ext4
671 [10:15:33] <e3d3> quadrathoch2, maybe I should have told that
I'm on Devuan now, but expect the procedure the same. Thanks
again
672 [10:15:34] <quadrathoch2> R3m1 yeah so let badblocks run for
a bit, and then it should throw errors at you if you have bad
blocks, which means it’s probably a dead sd
673 [10:16:11] <quadrathoch2> E3d3 hf then, as I don’t know
if it will work then
674 [10:16:16] <quadrathoch2> better to ask devuan then
675 [10:16:20] <r3m1> quadrathoch2: is there a risk for the
running system to crash while running badblock ?
676 [10:16:40] <r3m1> badblocks*
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678 [10:17:09] <quadrathoch2> as long as your system is not at
full tilt, no, as it doesn’t write the errors anywhere
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719 [11:17:19] <tmm88> i still can't get my wifi icon to
display in debian 10 buster
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722 [11:17:56] <tmm88> installed all the firmwares i could get
hands into including intel 9000 series which is the wifi controller
i am actually running
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725 [11:18:13] <tmm88> updated kernel
726 [11:18:19] <tmm88> ran modprobe
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728 [11:18:50] <tmm88> install
network-"Csomething"-gnome
729 [11:19:04] <tmm88> but the icon is still not displaying
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731 [11:20:11] <noisemaker> Yesterday I created a new swap file
and it worked, but after reboot fstab can't mount it. I follow
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736 [11:22:44] <quadrathoch2> noisemaker, what does your fstab
look like
737 [11:23:36] <Brigo> noisemaker, and the error will be nice too
738 [11:23:46] <noisemaker> quadrathoch2:
UUID=953b8ab3-fe56-4188-9625-1d0ce60db954 none swap sw 0 0
739 [11:23:46] <quadrathoch2> Yeah
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742 [11:24:32] <noisemaker> Brigo: can't see any error,
"free" just has 0 values for swap
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744 [11:25:05] <quadrathoch2> noisemaker, look into the bootlog
then
745 [11:25:39] <noisemaker> where is that bootlog ?
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748 [11:27:42] <Brigo> quadrathoch2, have you applied mkswap?
749 [11:28:12] <quadrathoch2> Brigo, not me ;)
750 [11:28:25] <Brigo> quadrathoch2, ups, sorry :)
751 [11:28:27] <quadrathoch2> journalctl noisemaker
752 [11:28:29] <jelly> noisemaker, does "blkid" show
that UUID on the swap device? (run as root)
753 [11:28:33] <noisemaker> Brigo: yes
754 [11:28:35] <Brigo> noisemaker, ups, sorry :)
755 [11:28:46] <Brigo> damn
756 [11:28:52] <Brigo> noisemaker, , have you applied mkswap?
757 [11:29:06] <noisemaker> jelly: nop
758 [11:29:12] <noisemaker> Brigo: yes
759 [11:29:25] <jelly> noisemaker, what does it say, then, for
the new swap device?
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761 [11:29:42] <noisemaker> jelly: where ?
762 [11:29:49] <jelly> noisemaker, in blkid
763 [11:29:56] <jelly> wait, you said swap FILE
764 [11:30:29] <jelly> noisemaker, in that case you need to
specify the absolute file path in fstab, UUID won't be useful
765 [11:31:00] <noisemaker> jelly: Yesterday I commented the old
swap and insert a new one at fstab
766 [11:31:26] <noisemaker> but at blkid just appears the entry
for the old one.
767 [11:31:31] <jelly> noisemaker, is it a swap device /
partition / lvm, or a swap file?
768 [11:31:42] <noisemaker> Swap file.
769 [11:31:56] <jelly> then use file path in fstab, not uuid
770 [11:32:12] <Brigo> something like this: /swapfile none swap
defaults 0 0
771 [11:32:24] <jelly> /var/local/swapfile none swap defaults 0 0
772 [11:32:35] <Brigo> noisemaker, where /swapfile is the swap
file path
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774 [11:33:48] <noisemaker> Done, should I need to reboot or I
can refresh the new entry ?
775 [11:34:37] <Brigo> noisemaker, try swapon filename
776 [11:34:39] <jelly> I'm honestly not sure whether a
"systemctl daemon-reload" is enough or not
777 [11:34:56] <noisemaker> I will reboot just to make sure.
778 [11:34:58] <jelly> swapon /path/to/file will not read from
fstab at all
779 [11:35:02] <jelly> that's a good idea
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781 [11:38:20] <noisemaker> Working. Ty
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784 [11:39:33] <Brigo> noisemaker, np
785 [11:39:37] <Brigo> !next
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806 [11:58:51] <noisemaker> Why does the XFCE apply the UI themes
differently for different applications ?
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808 [12:01:09] <quadrathoch2> what do you mean noisemaker
809 [12:01:52] <noisemaker> quadrathoch2: Like, the
"nautilus" has the theme applied, but the
"firefox" has another.
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811 [12:02:33] <quadrathoch2> huh? Both are gtk apps
812 [12:02:51] <quadrathoch2> They look maybe different, but are
still the same theme?
813 [12:03:10] <quadrathoch2> As Firefox has the big headerbar,
not sure about nautilus
814 [12:04:05] <noisemaker> Can I install themes for xfce from
apt ?
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816 [12:04:38] <quadrathoch2> Yes, for example greybird-gtk-theme
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819 [12:04:54] <quadrathoch2> You can search for gtk-theme
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822 [12:08:08] <noisemaker> Ok, I installed one from apt, and
nautilus applied it, but system apps, and apps like firefox
doesn't.
823 [12:08:32] <quadrathoch2> Did you change both, in appearance
and window manager
824 [12:08:35] <quadrathoch2> in settings
825 [12:08:57] <noisemaker> Wait, I think I am mixing themes with
window manager.
826 [12:09:19] <noisemaker> I just don't know why nautilus
apply the theme settings.
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831 [12:11:15] <noisemaker> quadrathoch2: Ok, need to be applied
in that both places. Ty
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883 [13:05:48] <noisemaker> Is possible to create our own Fn
keys? Example: "Fn + f" to open Firefox
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885 [13:07:32] <ratrace> maybe via xbindkeys
886 [13:07:47] <ratrace> noisemaker: ^^ or check in your DE/WM of
choice for that DE/WM specific bindings
887 [13:07:50] <unborn> noisemaker: it should be....dont remember
if fn will explicitly works but you can use windows or super key and
your combination
888 [13:07:51] <avu> at least on my machine xev doesn't
report a event for Fn
889 [13:08:21] <unborn> fn should not respond to event press, it
should be based outside of os
890 [13:08:24] <ratrace> using xev, you can check if the Fn key
produces an event, with keycode you could use in binding. if not?
then you probably can't
891 [13:09:02] <ratrace> (in which case use the "meta"
aka "win" key, yes)
892 [13:09:49] <unborn> - perhaps its all on google anyway
noisemaker use super aka windows key
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894 [13:10:56] <unborn> happy new year jelly and ratrace have
better then 2020 folks
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897 [13:13:58] <noisemaker> Yeah, but Fn key has some functions
Super key doesn't
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903 [13:17:01] <noisemaker> Some Fn + keys combinations appears
on xev, but not all :(
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908 [13:17:21] <unborn> fn should not respond to event press, it
should be based outside of os << noisemaker
909 [13:18:40] <noisemaker> unborn: Some keys respond.
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911 [13:20:32] <unborn> noisemaker yes they should like display
and wifi but not all of them as they are not os relevant.. point is
you can use super key aka windows key as some others was inform
you.. fn is not going to work for you and if you want to for
whatever reason have it - change laptop perhaps... its out of scope
and its all on google as well.
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913 [13:20:37] <ratrace> noisemaker: Fn + <someky> probably
do, yes. Fn itself alone probably doesn't
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918 [13:27:56] <noisemaker> In my device, the Fn + some key
without hw function respond. Super key is different because with Fn
I can fixed it, and in that way things are different. Keys like
"s,p,k" appears on xev with Fn combination.
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921 [13:30:19] <BillyZane> hi
922 [13:30:26] <BillyZane> i'm installing debian for the
first time in a virtualbox
923 [13:30:42] <BillyZane> i didn't know that the installer
had a GUI
924 [13:30:51] <BillyZane> or that you could select a GUI
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926 [13:31:11] <BillyZane> would it be better to not use a GUI if
i'm planning to use this as a server
927 [13:31:40] <unborn> ah gui you mean desktop environment like
gnome or kde?
928 [13:31:45] <BillyZane> yes
929 [13:31:51] <n4dir> i for one can't see a big difference
between the so called GUI and the non GUI version. As far your
question is concerned, it doesn't matter, as far i can tell
930 [13:32:07] <unborn> for server just install basic utilities,
ssh no gui
931 [13:32:29] <n4dir> of the installer you mean? Or tasksel,
when you choose if to install a DesktopEnvironment, and if then
which?
932 [13:32:34] <unborn> if you ever need to install apache or de
(gui) you can always do via ssh
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934 [13:33:24] <BillyZane> if i install a gui, i think i can
configure it so it doesn't boot in to it right?
935 [13:33:31] <unborn> for server standard base and system
utilities and ssh should work - that way you have clean base for
server then you ssh in and install whatever you need to
936 [13:33:38] <BillyZane> and at which point, if it never starts
X, i shouldn't see any stability hits?
937 [13:34:00] <BillyZane> unborn, i see, well i guess that makes
sense
938 [13:34:06] <unborn> BillyZane: gui or de as you asking will
take some gigs of your ram - for server that is waste
939 [13:34:23] <BillyZane> true
940 [13:34:24] <n4dir> why install a DesktopEnvironment if you
never need it? And during installation the tasksel versions, contain
lots of apps and stuff you will never need.
941 [13:34:43] <BillyZane> can't argue with that
942 [13:35:08] <n4dir> So imho it is always better to install no
DE during installation, but whatever you need after (say: apt-get
install xfce4; then the applications needed).
943 [13:35:31] * unborn agree with n4dir
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947 [13:39:49] <jelly> unborn, well same to you pal! And your
loved ones as well!
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949 [13:41:42] <Gertm-> I created a repository for my own things,
but when I try to use it, it says it can't find the
<URL>/./en folder. What have I forgotten to do?
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952 [13:43:15] <unborn> Gertm-: git or deb?
953 [13:43:24] <Gertm-> unborn: deb
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956 [13:44:18] <unborn> uh - I would say I only know-how-to git
repos, sorry.
957 [13:44:43] <Gertm-> unborn: are there good docs on git repos
somewhere?
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960 [13:47:30] <unborn> sure they are, you would like to learn? -
its very easy
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962 [13:47:43] <Gertm-> Ok thank you.
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965 [13:49:37] <ComputerTech> hi
966 [13:49:40] <unborn> you can combine commands with bash and
aliases in your system and make it working very fast. be it even
your deb packages. I only know how to build deb package and
distribute locally means via net or dvd or ubs but system must be
online to be able install it.. did not find any docs to how-to
create online deb repos (yet)
967 [13:50:20] <unborn> Gertm-:^^^
968 [13:50:40] <ComputerTech>
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969 [13:50:52] <ComputerTech> why would ntp not fix a offset?
970 [13:51:03] <ComputerTech> thats what my hoster told me above
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972 [13:52:40] <unborn> ComputerTech: nice screenshot.. what the
tech replied?
973 [13:53:12] <unborn> oh I see.. its on line 3.
974 [13:53:20] <ComputerTech> yeah
975 [13:53:26] <ComputerTech> confuses me tbh
976 [13:53:32] <ComputerTech> if i install and configure ntp
977 [13:53:40] <ComputerTech> why the heck would their still be
offset?
978 [13:53:48] <unborn> ComputerTech: google :)
979 [13:53:57] <ComputerTech> i tried that, but will try again
heh
980 [13:55:29] <unborn> ComputerTech: that is a bit off topic you
know.. however ntp is very busy thingy.. can you imagine? - every
single pc out there asking the time at any time... sometimes it
takes minutes sometimes hour-s
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982 [13:55:43] <ComputerTech> oh sorry
983 [13:56:05] <ComputerTech> didn't realise it was
offtopic, thanks anyway :)
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985 [13:56:53] <unborn> ComputerTech: is that debian server?
986 [13:56:59] <ComputerTech> yeah
987 [13:57:07] <ComputerTech> which is why i thought i should
join here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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989 [13:57:19] <unborn> ComputerTech: you shouldn't have any
issues meh what os version?
990 [13:57:57] <ComputerTech> sec
991 [13:57:59] <unborn> ComputerTech: you are on right place for
sure
992 [13:58:05] <ComputerTech> oh good :P
993 [13:59:00] <ComputerTech> mmm this server is a friend of
mines via irc, so he's offline now i think
994 [13:59:08] <ComputerTech> is this command to check os
version? uname -r
995 [13:59:30] <ComputerTech> 2.6.32-042stab138.1
996 [13:59:35] <unborn> that's for kelner but shoot
997 [13:59:36] <ComputerTech> got that back out of that
998 [13:59:37] <ComputerTech> ok
999 [13:59:46] <unborn> uh
1000 [13:59:56] <n4dir> etch?
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1002 [14:00:06] <unborn> I am running debian 9 on my laptop and my
results are this:
1003 [14:00:17] <unborn> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian
9.13 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz (3.18GHz)
• Memory: Physical: 11.3 GiB Total (8.4 GiB Free) Swap: 11.9
GiB Total (11.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 449.9 GB / 1.4 TB (981.0
GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor
Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 2nd
Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller • Uptime
1004 [14:00:17] <unborn> : 2w 1d 4h 13m 58s
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1006 [14:01:04] <n4dir> anyway, "cat
/etc/debian_version" ComputerTech
1007 [14:01:07] <unborn> that is 4.9.0-14-amd64 = considered
outdated meh on my servers I run debian 10 which is much higher
1008 [14:01:27] <ComputerTech> ok used n4dir's command, got
8.11
1009 [14:01:38] <unborn> ComputerTech: please update.
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1011 [14:01:55] <jelly> ComputerTech, that shows your machine is
most likely an OpenVZ or Virtuozzo container VPS. You don't
have control of your kernel, and you probably don't have
control of the hardware clock, so ntp can't work
1012 [14:01:56] <ComputerTech> erm, don't know if my friend
will tbh
1013 [14:02:03] <ComputerTech> oh
1014 [14:02:24] <jelly> and you probably can't upgrade the OS
because newer libc6 will require kernel 3.2 +
1015 [14:02:44] <ComputerTech> he has updated the OS in the past
1016 [14:02:56] <ComputerTech> but not sure if he wants to,
because he wants to keep his uptime
1017 [14:02:58] <jelly> ComputerTech, ask the hosting provider,
your friend, to the fix host clock
1018 [14:03:03] <ComputerTech> we did
1019 [14:03:13] <ComputerTech>
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1021 [14:03:32] <unborn> jelly they wont do.. they told him to do
it by himself
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1024 [14:03:53] <ComputerTech> mhm
1025 [14:04:00] <ComputerTech> possibly bad hoster perhaps
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1027 [14:04:01] <ComputerTech> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1028 [14:04:16] <ComputerTech> my vps hoster OVH did it right
away, but not sure what his is though
1029 [14:04:34] <jelly> ComputerTech, where's your ntp
output?
1030 [14:04:41] <ComputerTech> my ovh server?
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1032 [14:05:05] <jelly> ComputerTech, the machine we're
talking about
1033 [14:05:10] <ComputerTech> ok
1034 [14:05:32] <ComputerTech> i don't currently have root,
which path should i be in to be able to find them?
1035 [14:05:36] <unborn> ovh used to be good.. I do not pay
hosting since 2007.. sorry, I host everything on bare metal from
home, makes it all easy.
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1037 [14:06:03] <jelly> ComputerTech, where did you find there was
an offset the first time?
1038 [14:06:11] <ComputerTech> my friend used root to find out
1039 [14:06:15] <ComputerTech> but he's away currently
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1041 [14:06:29] <unborn> admin of the server
1042 [14:06:48] <jelly> ComputerTech, can you run "ntpq
-p" ?
1043 [14:07:02] <ComputerTech> ntpq: read: Connection refused
1044 [14:07:43] <jelly> ComputerTech, is there a ntpd in the
process list at all?
1045 [14:08:19] <ComputerTech> well when my friend checked ntp
output last night via root
1046 [14:08:21] <ComputerTech> it showed
1047 [14:08:40] <jelly> do you have the command and the output
they ran then?
1048 [14:09:05] <ComputerTech> yep sec
1049 [14:09:13] <ComputerTech> ntpdate -qu pool.ntp.org
1050 [14:09:16] <ComputerTech> is the one he used
1051 [14:09:25] <ComputerTech> i get -bash: ntpdate: command not
found
1052 [14:09:27] <ComputerTech> when i try it
1053 [14:09:39] <ComputerTech> possibly lack of privileges
1054 [14:09:39] <jelly> judd, file bin/ntpdate
1055 [14:09:44] <judd> Search for bin/ntpdate in buster/amd64:
ntpdate: usr/sbin/ntpdate; ntpsec-ntpdate: usr/sbin/ntpdate
1056 [14:09:58] <jelly> ComputerTech, /usr/sbin/ntpdate
1057 [14:10:17] <unborn> oh I see now
1058 [14:10:22] <ComputerTech> ok
1059 [14:10:23] <ComputerTech> let me try that
1060 [14:11:03] <ComputerTech> -bash: ntpdate: command not found
1061 [14:11:03] <ComputerTech> same
1062 [14:11:45] <jelly> ComputerTech, did you run
"/usr/sbin/ntpdate -qu pool.ntp.org" or something else
1063 [14:12:07] <unborn> without quotation marks
1064 [14:12:09] <ComputerTech> oh i cd'd into that path
1065 [14:12:14] <ComputerTech> let me try that again
1066 [14:12:14] <ComputerTech> sorry
1067 [14:12:31] <jelly> that doesn't work on linux, the
current directory is not in PATH
1068 [14:12:45] <jelly> (not by default, and it's not a good
idea to put it there either)
1069 [14:13:20] <ComputerTech> ok that worked
1070 [14:13:20] <ComputerTech> sec
1071 [14:13:23] <unborn> ComputerTech: just run command as root
anywhere you are on server /usr/sbin/ntpdate -qu pool.ntp.org
1072 [14:13:23] <ComputerTech> let me pastebin
1073 [14:13:25] <jelly> !paste
1074 [14:13:25] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
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1075 [14:13:28] <unborn> it should work
1076 [14:13:36] <jelly> unborn, I didn't say to run it as
root
1077 [14:13:50] <ComputerTech>
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1078 [14:13:56] <ComputerTech> lol the offset has gotten worse xD
1079 [14:13:59] <ComputerTech> was 88 last night
1080 [14:14:01] <unborn> jelly: I know I am assuming he is log in
as root
1081 [14:14:01] <ComputerTech> now 90 :/
1082 [14:14:12] <ComputerTech> unborn, i don't have root
1083 [14:14:18] <unborn> oh
1084 [14:14:35] <ComputerTech> yeah :/
1085 [14:14:45] <ComputerTech> but jelly found a way for me to
find out via non root :D
1086 [14:14:49] <ksk> ComputerTech: you need to be root user to
modify the system (eg. change the date)
1087 [14:15:04] <ComputerTech> true yeah, but if i can find out
how
1088 [14:15:06] <ksk> safe for jelly magic I guess :D
1089 [14:15:10] <ComputerTech> i can at least tell my friend
1090 [14:15:16] <ComputerTech> so he can change in his own time
1091 [14:15:16] <jelly> ComputerTech, that will need to be fixed
on the host, I fear
1092 [14:15:22] <ComputerTech> :/
1093 [14:15:34] <jelly> I don't think OpenVZ containers can
have separate clocks
1094 [14:15:36] <ComputerTech> and they already said that the
offset is normal, sigh
1095 [14:15:39] <ksk> ComputerTech: ah its a container
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1097 [14:15:44] <jelly> ComputerTech, show them that output.
1098 [14:15:55] * daysun shows jelly that output
1099 [14:15:56] <ksk> then contact your hosting provider, they
need to fix it (jelly is right, openVZ does utilize the hosts clock)
1100 [14:15:57] <jelly> and the full command you used
1101 [14:16:02] <ComputerTech> ok
1102 [14:16:12] <ComputerTech>
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1103 [14:16:26] <jelly> yeah
1104 [14:16:34] <unborn> yes
1105 [14:16:37] <ComputerTech> cool, just told my friend to tell
them that
1106 [14:16:40] <ratrace> someone still using openvz in 2021? WOW.
1107 [14:16:45] <ComputerTech> i think he might be online soon,
we'll see
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1109 [14:16:49] <jelly> daysun, are you a bot?
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1111 [14:17:17] <unborn> I did not know you can change those
things on server as non su... perhaps I should sometimes log in as
non su too :) sorry folks
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1113 [14:17:42] <ComputerTech> all good unborn, i usually poke
around via root as well :)
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1115 [14:17:54] <jelly> unborn, you can't change clock, but
you can check it
1116 [14:17:58] <ComputerTech> i'm actually grateful that we
have some nice helpful folks in here, hehe :)
1117 [14:18:16] * unborn jelly I nod this. thanks
1118 [14:18:28] <jelly> and it's a question whether you can
set it at all even as root, within that VPS
1119 [14:18:39] * jelly suspects not
1120 [14:18:53] * unborn don't think so too
1121 [14:18:56] <daysun> jelly: are YOU a bot?
1122 [14:19:14] <jelly> daysun, no, but I am an op, so behave
1123 [14:19:20] <daysun> :(
1124 [14:19:23] <ComputerTech> jelly, well my ovh vps, had
incorrect offset
1125 [14:19:24] <ratrace> keep in mind OpenVZ is early
containerization, not a hypervisor. so many things are impossible
with openvz
1126 [14:19:28] <ComputerTech> and when i used ntp it fixed the
offset
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1128 [14:19:39] <daysun> jelly: all I did was to show you that
output
1129 [14:19:40] <jelly> ComputerTech, it might have SAID it fixed
it
1130 [14:19:46] <ComputerTech> mmm true
1131 [14:20:02] <ComputerTech> well the offset was around 0.500 or
something low
1132 [14:20:04] <jelly> daysun, that wasn't addressing you,
it was for computer Tech
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1135 [14:22:56] <unborn> ComputerTech: even your problem is solved
I would still stress you to update if that is possible for you /
your friend ;)
1136 [14:23:20] <ComputerTech> yeah he just responded
1137 [14:23:26] <ComputerTech> and said he thought he was updated
to 10
1138 [14:23:27] <ComputerTech> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ heh
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1140 [14:23:45] <daysun> jelly: I think we both know that ;)
1141 [14:23:57] * daysun chews gum
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1143 [14:25:48] <unborn> ComputerTech: from 8 you should update to
9 and then to 10 smallish a lengthily process but its worth, I think
he would know also make backups before process - and make sure you
test those backups - for sake you know you have working backups ;)
1144 [14:26:28] <ComputerTech> yeah, good idea unborn :)
1145 [14:28:05] <unborn> ComputerTech: since 8 and 10 few things
changed - like apache configs etc.. just friendly advice to be
prepared if things go wrong, but I think you already understand me
;)
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1152 [14:37:03] <jelly> ComputerTech, debian 10 can't work on
that kernel, the host will have to be updated first
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1154 [14:37:16] <jelly> I'm not sure whether debian 9 can
work
1155 [14:37:42] <ComputerTech> ok
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1158 [14:40:15] <jelly> it _might_ work. Debian 10 libc6 requires
kernel 3.2 at least,
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1191 [15:05:14] <P-NuT> Hi all. Any rough dates yet for debian 11
release?
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1208 [15:20:24] <ksk> !bullseye freeze
1209 [15:20:24] <dpkg> The first steps of the <freeze> to
release Debian 11 "Bullseye" will start on January 12,
2021.
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1210 [15:20:31] <ksk> P-NuT: ^
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1213 [15:21:17] <ksk> !buster freeze
1214 [15:21:17] <dpkg> Buster started the freeze process on
2019-01-12 see
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1215 [15:21:45] <ksk> Buster was released on 2019-07-06 - so
roughly halve a year maybe? ;)
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1217 [15:25:19] <P-NuT> Brilliant, thanks
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1219 [15:26:28] <ksk> !next
1220 [15:26:28] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1256 [15:46:37] <MichaelOF> hi all. trying to create a vpn l2tp
CLIENT connection on raspbian, follwing this generic guide:
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1257 [15:47:11] <Mister00X> !raspbian
1258 [15:47:11] <dpkg> Raspberry Pi OS (previously called
Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made
specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian
and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or
#raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support.
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1262 [15:48:13] <raver> Does it come from
1263 [15:48:21] <raver> !armbian
1264 [15:48:21] <dpkg> Armbian is a project that has pre-compiled
custom Debian and Ubuntu installer images for <ARM> boards,
and a small package repository with kernels, drivers, and utilities.
It is not a complete distribution, and uses unmodified Debian or
Ubuntu official package repos. kernel/hw/installer/building
questions: #armbian on chat.freenode.net
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1266 [15:48:47] <raver> ?
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1276 [15:58:30] <ksk> Mister00X: we do _not_ support raspbian in
here. On a side-note: Take a look at more modern VPN applications
(like OpenVPN, wireguard)
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1279 [15:59:07] <ksk> oh, eh, both nicks starting with
"M", sorry :>
1280 [15:59:29] <ksk> MichaelOF: for you instead :P
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1286 [16:03:36] <MichaelOF> ksk: AFAI understood I've no
choice to use openVPN, as I want to connect to an existing VPN
server as a client. Server is whatever windows based software,
protocol ipsec/l2tp
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1296 [16:09:50] <ksk> RIP.
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1301 [16:13:19] <jelly> raver, it doesn't; raspbian is a much
older effort that came to life because the first r.pi was merely
almost, but not completely, compatible with debian armhf
architecture
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1305 [16:14:51] <t0th_-> hi, i am trying to run a command in
debian, but i have this error: "cannot execute binary file:
Exec format error". Anyone can help me?
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1307 [16:15:25] <jelly> t0th_-, what's the actual command,
how exactly did you acquire it, and what does "file
/path/to/command" say
1308 [16:15:27] <t0th_-> with file the command is: danger-kotlin:
64-bit x86_64 executable,
flags:<NOUNDEFS|DYLDLINK|TWOLEVEL|BINDS_TO_WEAK|PIE|HAS_TLV_DESCRIPTORS>
1309 [16:15:34] <wigums> wrong architecture?
1310 [16:16:09] <t0th_-> my arch: Architecture: x86_64
1311 [16:16:09] <t0th_-> CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit using
lscpu
1312 [16:16:32] <jelly> t0th_-, what does "dpkg
--print-architecture" say, and which debian release is this?
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1315 [16:17:30] <jelly> that doesn't look like a glibc ELF
binary.
1316 [16:17:52] <jelly> or your "file" command
isn't the usual file command
1317 [16:18:19] <t0th_-> amd64 and Debian GNU/Linux 10 \n \l
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1319 [16:19:13] <azeem> t0th_-: what kernel version?
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1321 [16:19:42] <jelly> t0th_-, and how exactly did you acquire
this executable
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1324 [16:20:17] <t0th_-> @jelly
replaced-url
1325 [16:20:18] <jelly> if it's publically available
someplace, perhaps we can take a better look
1326 [16:20:52] <jelly> t0th_-, that's source code, do I have
to build it?
1327 [16:20:57] <t0th_-> no
1328 [16:21:16] <t0th_-> #bash <(curl -s
replaced-url
1329 [16:21:16] <t0th_-> source ~/.bash_profile
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1332 [16:21:53] <ksk> wich will then only install node.js on your
system - I like ;)
1333 [16:22:04] <t0th_-> yes, i installed it before
1334 [16:22:05] <t0th_-> this is ok
1335 [16:22:10] <jelly> that's a "yes" actually
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1339 [16:23:05] <jelly> and the script grabs binaries of kotlin
compiler and gradle from somewhere, sorry, I don't have a
throwaway VM to run this in
1340 [16:23:27] <jelly> git clone [...] cd _danger-kotlin
&& make install
1341 [16:23:27] <t0th_-> ok, thank you
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1343 [16:23:39] <t0th_-> yes, i will try
1344 [16:23:43] <jelly> that's building it...
1345 [16:23:50] <jelly> it's what install.sh does
1346 [16:24:36] <jelly> sudo chmod -R a+rwx /usr/local/
1347 [16:24:40] <jelly> good gried
1348 [16:24:46] <jelly> grief*
1349 [16:25:11] <jelly> that script is horrible from a security
standpoint :-(
1350 [16:25:32] <ratrace> lol what script did that?
1351 [16:25:38] <ksk> but hey, the repo is called
"danger", no? ;)
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1353 [16:25:48] <ratrace> oh kotlin?
1354 [16:25:59] <jelly> that one danger/kotlin asks you to run
1355 [16:26:10] <jelly> danger indeed
1356 [16:26:34] <t0th_-> lol
1357 [16:26:53] <jelly> expects the user be able to write to /opt
as well
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1361 [16:29:02] <jelly> grabs random kotlin version and puts it
into /usr/local, then grabs random gradle, and puts it into /opt, I
suspect because the author has a Mac and loves to watch the world
burn
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1363 [16:29:22] * jelly needs more coffee to deal with this
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1367 [16:31:02] <t0th_-> hey
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1369 [16:31:13] <t0th_-> this is running on a CI
1370 [16:31:18] <t0th_-> need to install
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1374 [16:36:20] <ratrace> and so the penguing god invented
containers.
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1388 [16:56:07] <raver> jelly: thx
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1496 [19:04:11] <Azrael_-> hi
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1498 [19:04:49] <petn-randall> hi Azrael_-
1499 [19:05:01] <Azrael_-> until now i'm still using munin
for collection server statistics from multiple servers and display
some nice graphs. are there nowadays other systems which are
better/more preffered?
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1502 [19:05:39] <ratrace> I still use Munin
1503 [19:06:27] <Azrael_-> i just realized that there are some
changes within munin over the time. my squeeze collector had
problems with a buster plugin :D
1504 [19:06:54] <ratrace> yeah, things are adapting to new APIs,
especially in the kernel
1505 [19:07:22] <Azrael_-> here it was munin-graph not being able
to parse COLOUR0
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1531 [19:39:54] <zutat> are there any special swap considerations,
when the system should support suspending to disk?
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1537 [19:42:27] <wigums> zutat yes use twice the amount of ram you
have as swap
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1539 [19:42:43] <zutat> wigums: thanks!
1540 [19:42:49] <wigums> yep
1541 [19:42:52] <sney> zutat: it should be larger than the
physical memory, but double isn't required anymore in 2020
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1543 [19:43:27] <sney> that's an old habit from when systems
commonly had like 64MB
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1546 [19:46:40] <EdePopede> i have 2GB and i'm happy about
the 5GB swap i have, using a modern browser can really need it.
usually it's used around 50%.
1547 [19:46:42] <zutat> so, suspending is still done to swap,
which means i'll need a swap whose size is physical memory +
potentially used swap?
1548 [19:47:01] <sney> you got it
1549 [19:47:11] <zutat> thanks
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1565 [19:59:58] <machine_1490> Hi, I've been trying to find
the checksums for the .iso behind the "download" button on
debian.org, but can't seem to find them. Could someone point me
in the right direction? Thanks.
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1567 [20:00:29] <sney> should be
replaced-url
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1569 [20:00:55] <greycat> !verify iso
1570 [20:00:55] <dpkg> To verify you have a valid and official
Debian CD/DVD image, see
replaced-url
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1573 [20:02:58] <machine_1490> Thanks sney and greycat. Would you
have any tips on navigation? I really did look around, but
couldn't find the sums. How do you effectively find that
information? I searched sha256sum in the search bar and so on..
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1575 [20:03:40] <greycat> !check iso signature
1576 [20:03:40] <dpkg> On a Debian box, you can check the
installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes
with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUMS and
SHA256SUMS.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get
install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS; gpg
--keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify
SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>.
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1578 [20:04:03] <sney> machine_1490: debian.org/CD links to files
on cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd, and from there it's just index
navigation
1579 [20:04:18] <machine_1490> I landed on the front page... went
to 'more > downloads... and then got lost.
1580 [20:04:28] <machine_1490> sney Okay, I didn't know of
that site. Thanks!
1581 [20:04:33] <sney> np
1582 [20:04:56] <machine_1490> The checksum worked. Thanks
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1590 [20:09:37] <sstory> I am trying to install 10.7 to a 19GB
VirtualBox disk, guided with LVM. I see the following:
replaced-url
1591 [20:10:25] <sstory> Does it put the entire LVM in an ext2?
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1593 [20:11:27] <sstory> What I meant to say is does it format the
partition as ext2 and then use that for LVM, which has an ext4
partition itself. I have always just used ext4 so looked a little
strange to me.
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1596 [20:12:27] <sney> it's probably /boot
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1599 [20:13:19] <sstory> Is there a reason why it would choose
ext2 instead of 4 for boot? Perhaps I should have chosen a different
installation option from Graphical install to get more choices?
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1603 [20:14:42] <sney> I haven't done a lvm install in a
while so I can't remember what all of the dialogs suggest on
this route, I would guess that the extra ext4 features aren't
justified on a small partition that only holds kernel and initrd
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1605 [20:15:25] <sstory> sney: OK. Thanks for the tip. Do you
usually do the Advanced Expert install?
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1607 [20:17:03] <sney> no, just the regular one. I don't have
to do it very often on bare metal is all
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1609 [20:17:23] <jmcnaught> Normal text mode and graphical mode
both ask the same questions. Expert install just asks more questions
about stuff that can be done post-install.
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1612 [20:17:54] <sstory> OK. Thanks!
1613 [20:17:55] <sney> and lets you skip/circumvent some
installation steps, iirc, though it's been years
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1622 [20:26:56] <iterati> Anyone is using sway on sid/testing ?
The polkit authentication agents segfault. I have tried the gnome
& mate ones, both crash.
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1626 [20:28:04] <sney> iterati: look at the topic, you will see
that testing/unstable support is in #debian-next on oftc (note,
right now you are on freenode).
1627 [20:30:08] <iterati> sney: sure, thanks. Anyone experienced
similar issues with the polkit agents, regardless of anything else.
Maybe is some setting I need to set or such.
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1636 [20:38:16] <rander2> hello
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1641 [20:40:44] <rander2>
replaced-url
1642 [20:41:11] <rander2> gpu is radeon 7870
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1644 [20:43:30] <towo`> rander2, use opencl from amdgpu-pro
packages
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1646 [20:45:13] <sponix2ipfw> !sns
1647 [20:45:13] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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1653 [20:52:15] <rander2> towo`, Unable to locate package
amdgpu-pro
1654 [20:52:30] <sney> it's not in debian, #845589
1655 [20:52:31] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1656 [20:52:39] <sney> you'll need to download it from
amd's website
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1659 [20:54:57] <rander2> I need opencl, not proprietary drivers
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1665 [20:57:42] <sney> towo` is usually right about these things,
if he says the opencl components are available in amdgpu-pro
I'm inclined to believe it.
1666 [20:58:11] <sney> I found this too, but dunno if it's
enough or if you'll end up at amdgpu-pro again following these
instructions
replaced-url
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1669 [21:01:12] <dokma> Is there a way to strace an executable
invoked by DBus?
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1671 [21:02:06] <dokma> Specifically dunst. I have a feeling
it's not reading my config file.
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1673 [21:02:21] <dokma> Standard dunst from the repo.
1674 [21:02:23] <phogg> dokma: strace -p $pid, but I assume what
you really want is to follow the message that triggers the launch
automatically
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1676 [21:02:41] <dokma> phogg: not gonna work. It runs for a
fraction of a second
1677 [21:02:48] <greycat> trace dbus itself, with the -f option...
and don't let it launch anything else
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1679 [21:03:01] <dokma> greycat: that should work
1680 [21:03:15] <dokma> greycat: can't really prevent it
launching anything else
1681 [21:03:42] <greycat> well, don't do whatever it is that
you do to make it launch the other things... just do the thing that
makes it launch dunst, whatever taht is
1682 [21:04:24] <dokma> greycat: that I can do
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1684 [21:05:11] <dokma> hmmm which of many dbus processes to
trace?
1685 [21:05:39] <greycat> there can't be *that* many, surely
1686 [21:05:46] <dokma> 3-4
1687 [21:05:57] <dokma> I'll trace them sequentially till it
hits
1688 [21:06:12] <greycat> I only have 2 running as me, and one
running as "message+" according to ps
1689 [21:07:30] <jhutchins> dokma: You could invoke it manually.
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1691 [21:08:27] <dokma> jhutchins: dunst? Isn't that some
complex DBus messaging?
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1699 [21:11:30] <rander2> i changed video card, from nvdia gt610
to radeon 7870
1700 [21:11:51] <rander2> but hashcat don't go
1701 [21:12:21] <rander2> clGetPlatformIDs():
CL_PLATFORM_NOT_FOUND_KHR
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1711 [21:20:25] <greycat> google sez:
1712 [21:20:25] <greycat> hashcat - advanced password recovery
1713 [21:20:39] <greycat> So, um, yeah.... *plonk*
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1718 [21:26:40] <rander2> greycat, yes, I changed video card, I
uninstalled previous nvidia drivers, but it use the cpu instead gpu
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1725 [21:30:18] <rander2>
replaced-url
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1731 [21:31:04] <rander2> I uninstalled all previous drivers with
: apt-get remove --purge '^nvidia-.*'
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1733 [21:32:03] <rander2> but it use cpu instead the gpu, the gpu
is about 20times more fast, this gpu
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1736 [21:33:26] <unixbsd> how to play a audio cdrom cddda ISO file
(the iso is audio/data mix image)?
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1738 [21:34:18] <ratrace> unixbsd: tried an uh.... media player
thingy?
1739 [21:34:19] <koolkat332> you need to be kool about it
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1741 [21:34:51] <koolkat332> you could always code one
1742 [21:34:54] <koolkat332> if you don't have
1743 [21:35:37] <koolkat332>
replaced-url
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1745 [21:36:13] <jhutchins> unixbsd: I just double-click it in
Thunar, haven't messed with the background in a decade.
1746 [21:36:19] <koolkat332> if I were you I would just snippity
snap made your own code to do it in C
1747 [21:36:22] <koolkat332> or c++
1748 [21:36:23] <unixbsd> maybe mplayer can play a cdda iso
file... for audio only ,..:
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1750 [21:36:29] <koolkat332> and then after you could sell like a
media suite
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1752 [21:36:40] <koolkat332> that's kool
1753 [21:37:05] <jhutchins> unixbsd: Mostly I listen to streams
like Pandora these days. Pulled up some local stuff the other day,
ended up listening to Cowboy Junkies for two hours. (That's a
bit much.)
1754 [21:37:14] <unixbsd> what is pandora?
1755 [21:37:52] <greycat> If it's CD-DA, then it is by
definition not ISO 9660. One's raw audio data, and the other is
a file system.
1756 [21:37:54] <jhutchins> unixbsd: I think it was mpv that was
playing it. Not much of an interface, but it plays.
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1760 [21:38:25] <jhutchins> unixbsd:
replaced-url
1761 [21:38:34] <zykotick9> jhutchins: careful, mpv's
interface is close to perfection ;)
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1763 [21:39:12] <jhutchins> unixbsd: You can set suggestions and
build a "channel". I have an ambient synth channel, my
wife has spagetti western soundtracks.
1764 [21:39:52] <jhutchins> zykotick9: Zero is complete
perfection.
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1767 [21:40:15] <jhutchins> KDe 3.5 had a great music manager,
when that went away I pretty much stopped bothering with local
music.
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1769 [21:41:24] <jhutchins> (Well, except for the six guitars. ...
and the bass. ... and the banjo and the mandolyn. I don't
really mess with the autoharp, it's probably due to be tuned.)
1770 [21:41:53] <jhutchins> Both keyboards died a while back.
1771 [21:42:27] <unixbsd> mplayer -dvd-device CD1.iso cdda://
didnt work.
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1773 [21:43:16] <jhutchins> unixbsd: That syntax doesn't look
right. Does your audio work to begin with?
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1775 [21:44:03] <jhutchins>
replaced-url
1776 [21:44:03] <zykotick9> unixbsd: <i'm just curious>
if you "file CD1.iso" what sort of file is it? As g-reycat
pointed out, it can't be an ISO.
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1780 [21:45:03] <jhutchins> zykotick9: Like I said, it's been
a while. Do you mount the iso and then access the music?
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1782 [21:45:44] <zykotick9> jhutchins: you can mount an iso, you
can't mount an audio CD. So what this file actually
"is" is still to be determined.
1783 [21:45:54] <unixbsd> command and conqueeer 1995 on
abandonware is cdrom iso, music and data
1784 [21:46:13] <zykotick9> ahh, some mixed media thing...
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1786 [21:46:51] <zykotick9> not the "track(s)" you are
providing to your audio players will probably matter!
1787 [21:47:00] <zykotick9> s/not the/note the/
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1790 [21:48:01] <EdePopede> iirc the earliest ones had the data
track at the start which confused some (car?) players. so they moved
it to the end. other standard also afaik.
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1793 [21:50:14] <greycat> Yeah, I've seen some CDs with audio
tracks at the start, and a data area at the end.
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1796 [21:50:52] <greycat> I'm not sure how one would go about
copying one of those beasts, but it almost certainly wouldn't
be by creating a single file with a ".iso" extension.
1797 [21:51:26] <zykotick9> are you sure this ISO still has the
audio tracks? A regular ISO would have copied the data, and left the
audio behind (I suspect). What did "file" actually say?
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1799 [21:51:46] <greycat> also how large is the file?
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1803 [21:53:30] <unixbsd> mronsse at ugent did make the filesystem
"cdfs" for that. it seems not available in the repository.
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1807 [21:55:55] <greycat> kind of a niche thing these days
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1811 [21:59:13] <unixbsd> it is a very difficult question, there
are not solution on debian/ubuntu boards. I have asked the #mplayer
team. let's see what they give as solution.
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1816 [22:06:53] <jhutchins>
replaced-url
1817 [22:06:54] <jhutchins>
replaced-url
1818 [22:06:56] <jhutchins>
replaced-url
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1820 [22:08:14] <jhutchins> Not linux specific, but pretty much
covers everything there is to know.
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1824 [22:09:29] <zykotick9> to "properly" backup media
of this nature, you'd need to use another format than ISO.
toc/cue would be more common in *nix world (bin/cue in MS world),
but there are MANY competing formats on MS for this sorta stuff, but
it ain't ISO.
1825 [22:10:15] <jhutchins> I believe dd will preserve the format.
You can call the output file anything you want.
1826 [22:10:23] <zykotick9> dd could do it!
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1828 [22:11:06] <jhutchins> I'm not sure about writing it to
new media.
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1830 [22:11:35] <zykotick9> good point.
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1833 [22:12:03] <greycat> dd will not copy CD audio
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1837 [22:13:17] <zykotick9> hummm. I'm wrong then.
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1843 [22:15:07] <greycat> The cdrecord(1) man page (the real one,
not wodim in disguise) suggests that to copy an audio CD, one should
use cdda2wav + cdrecord. I've done this before, and it creates
several files, at least one per audio track.
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1846 [22:16:01] <greycat> I'm sure there are other tools that
can do it.
1847 [22:16:27] <zykotick9> ya dd gives i/o error immediately
1848 [22:16:59] * zykotick9 just uses abcde to dump audio cd's to
flac
1849 [22:17:12] <jhutchins> Man, I used to rip audio CDs all the
time, but when they killed amarok I pretty much stopped messing with
local stuff.
1850 [22:17:39] <rander2> how change runlevel in deb10 ? to start
in text mode
1851 [22:17:44] <rander2> !runlevel
1852 [22:17:44] <dpkg> 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are
multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical
(there are no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure
this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read
/etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make
sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also
replaced-url
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1854 [22:18:13] <jhutchins> Runlevels are obsolete/deprecated.
Boot to multiuser.target
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1856 [22:18:31] <rander2> jhutchins, how ?
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1858 [22:18:45] <jhutchins> rander2: From the grub menu.
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1861 [22:18:56] <jhutchins> rander2: e to edit
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1863 [22:19:02] <rander2> I must edit grun menu ?
1864 [22:19:05] <jhutchins> !multiuser
1865 [22:19:14] <jhutchins> !multiuser.target
1866 [22:19:24] <rander2> !multiuser
1867 [22:19:34] <jhutchins> Hm, we ought to have a factoid
somewhere.
1868 [22:19:35] <rander2> nothing to do
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1872 [22:20:07] <jhutchins> rander2: Using e from the grub menu
makes temporary changes for that boot session.
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1874 [22:20:49] <greycat> !nodm
1875 [22:20:49] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default
multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with
"aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm
xdm". "echo false
>/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM,
or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a
minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
1876 [22:21:12] <greycat> !multi-user.target
1877 [22:21:12] <dpkg> Under systemd, graphical.target runs a
<dm> and multi-user.target doesn't. You can add
«systemd.unit=multi-user.target» to the kernel params to
skip the DM once, or run «systemctl set-default
multi-user.target» to change permanently. See also
<nodm>.
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1882 [22:21:43] <jhutchins> Thank you greycat
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1897 [22:37:51] <zykotick9> unixbsd: DOSBox has a good
"howto" for creating cue/bin for mix-mode CDs at
replaced-url
1898 [22:41:04] <unixbsd> thank you
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1900 [22:41:46] <unixbsd> I have found also : mplayer
-cdrom-device CD1.iso cdda:// but this didnt work. I am looking
forward the inputs from official mplayer
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1903 [22:42:21] <rander2>
replaced-url
1904 [22:42:26] <zykotick9> unixbsd: if that is an ISO, there is
no audio for mplayer to play. it will NEVER work.
1905 [22:43:06] <greycat> At this point, having been asked
REPEATEDLY to use file(1) to identify what's in this file, and
having not done so, I'm convinced he's never going to do
so, and he's just trolling us.
1906 [22:43:32] <greycat> You can only repeat yourself so many
times and not be heard before you just give up.
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1909 [22:51:18] <zykotick9> rander2: I don't have any AMD
graphics but isn't the driver available from debian repos?
I'm 99% sure amd-driver-installer-15.302-x86.x86_64.run is a
poor choice!
1910 [22:51:46] <greycat> rander2 isn't trying to use
graphics. He's trying to run a password cracker that uses GPU
crap.
1911 [22:51:56] <sney> amd-driver-installer *15* is from five
years ago and unlikely to be compatible with any current debian
1912 [22:52:17] <zykotick9> oh shit. sorry, forgot about that
whole situation. sorry for the noise.
1913 [22:52:48] <sney> anyway, if rander2 can't be bothered
to ask a question, I don't see any point in engaging with a
paste
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1915 [22:53:12] <ratrace> I love when people just barge in and
post a link and expect us all to start supporting....
1916 [22:53:19] <ratrace> sney: right.
1917 [22:53:26] <rander2> I found it from offical site for radeon
7870
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1921 [22:55:50] <jhutchins> rander2: If you're going to
install from the AMD site, you have to 1) Completely clear out any
model-specific drivers installed by Debian, 2) follow the
instructions on the site EXACTLY.
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1925 [22:56:34] <greycat> wouldn't blacklisting the Debian
drivers suffice?
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1949 [23:13:18] <jhutchins> greycat: There's a kernel module
that needs to be disabled as well. I found clearing everything from
trying to work with the Debian versions was what got it working for
me. (My card was too new for anything in Debian to work.)
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1975 [23:31:28] <jhutchins> (Card's a 1050, no longer the
newwest. Also PCI, not one of the newer interfaces.)
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1977 [23:32:50] <zykotick9> jhutchins: wow, like old-school
install a modem PCI?
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1979 [23:34:34] <zykotick9> nahhh, that 1050 got pcie or
somethin'
1980 [23:34:40] <sney> the management nic on my home server is
pci, it's not *that* decrepit
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1984 [23:36:04] <zykotick9> it's been a LONG time since I
used a PCI graphics card, some crappy ATI thing. Back when Xorg
config was a MUCH bigger deal then today, especially for
multi-monitor setups with my APG graphics main card ;)
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1988 [23:39:23] <zykotick9> s/APG/AGP/ <- dyslexia kickin'
in
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1993 [23:43:23] <zykotick9> Dyslexics of the World Untie!!
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1997 [23:44:35] <alex11> zykotick9, dyslexic procrastinators of
the world untie... tomorrow
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1999 [23:45:02] <jhutchins> I think the kernel module is
"ra", and the Debian version was too old at the time.
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2004 [23:48:30] <jhutchins> zykotick9: That was how I ended up
with a high-end card on what's basically a text workstation. It
was the only one that was the right format. Might've been pcie.
Can I tell from the console?
2005 [23:49:16] <zykotick9> jhutchins: oh it is. i googled the
card, it's not old-school-modem PCI that's for sure ;)
2006 [23:49:37] <jhutchins> Yeah, pcie GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
2007 [23:49:54] <jhutchins> zykotick9: Lots of stuff was PCI, not
just modems.
2008 [23:50:22] <zykotick9> jhutchins: not much stuff anymore ;)
seed a modern moderboard?
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2011 [23:51:11] <jhutchins> This system has a Sound Blaster, which
I think is PCI.
2012 [23:51:14] <zykotick9> i had soundcards and modems and
graphics cards... all PCI. but that was 20-30 years ago me thinks.
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2014 [23:51:47] <jhutchins> Pretty old MB. Core2.
2015 [23:52:07] * jhutchins has been at this a while and is cheap about
upgrades.
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2017 [23:52:10] <zykotick9> that might do it.
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2019 [23:52:37] <zykotick9> the Core2, not "cheap about
upgrades"...
2020 [23:52:49] <jhutchins> Part of it was that when you have
eight to ten systems in the house, they all want upgrades.
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2026 [23:57:48] <zykotick9> jhutchins: i'd guess that 1050ti
is a pretty smokin' card (it certainly is compared to what I
have which is a GTX760 $60 2ndhand). I've never cared about
graphics cards until I got this KVM-libvirt graphics passthrough
working.
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