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0 [00:00:35] <digdilem> yeah, munin's okay, but the
granularity is quite wide by default (5 mins?) good for overview,
but if somethin guses a lot of ram it won't help much
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2 [00:01:19] <digdilem> but you should know what process was
killed (something that uses java) and the easiest answer is to give
the machine more ram, or adjust that program to use less memory
3 [00:01:54] <digdilem> afk know, gl
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5 [00:02:08] <dob1> digdilem, I will investigate a bit, thanks
for help
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31 [00:38:19] <Anarchy7> @sney and other friends, thanks a lot!
Deleting php.list worked! I will tomorrow upgrade to debian 10 :)
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102 [02:03:51] <busternube> "type VBEINFO (ENTER)"
dumps a list of rez so long it blows a hundred lines past me, how to
pause that thing?
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104 [02:04:45] <busternube> wheres sney?
105 [02:04:55] <busternube> what do i try now?
106 [02:05:58] <busternube> buy a video card
107 [02:06:01] <busternube> ?
108 [02:06:23] <busternube> i probably have some old weak gpu
around here
109 [02:07:34] <busternube> i passed on a $12 quatro or quadro or
something
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111 [02:09:43] <petn-randall> busternube: You can pipe the output
to less?
112 [02:10:24] <busternube> vbeinfo|less did not work
113 [02:10:41] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
114 [02:10:41] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
115 [02:11:12] <busternube> vbeinfo|less did not result
positivley
116 [02:12:28] <petn-randall> I'm not sure you're
getting less vague here. Did you get an error message? What did it
say?
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118 [02:12:56] <petn-randall> Is this on a command prompt, or
somewhere else?
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120 [02:13:15] <petn-randall> Oh wait, this is in grub2?
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122 [02:15:53] <busternube> grub came with debian 10.8
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124 [02:16:14] <busternube> dont know the version
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127 [02:16:53] <petn-randall> I don't think grub2 can
paginate the output. You might be able to scroll up with
pageup/pagedown.
128 [02:17:48] <busternube> dont think so it was a grub command
prompt and the command executed real fast and back to the prompt
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131 [02:19:56] <busternube> xfce "display" program sees
the gpu as "default" wiht only 2 modes
132 [02:20:07] <busternube> 1024x and 720x
133 [02:20:42] <busternube> i need to tell sney he needed to know
that i think.
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136 [02:26:33] <sney> busternube: you don't need to pick one
person to help you, everyone here knows the general installing stuff
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139 [02:31:26] <sney> though I recommend testing with a display
connected directly to your computer first, and only try using the
KVM switch once you're sure it works by itself
140 [02:32:09] <busternube> i been doing that i cant get back
here unless i reconnect it.
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142 [02:32:25] <busternube> reconnected kvm about 10 times today
143 [02:32:51] <sney> strange. well, it wasn't me who
suggested anything about vbeinfo
144 [02:32:58] <busternube> well i can open irc in my other
machine but..
145 [02:33:40] <busternube> oh i read to get the mode from that
output to add to the grub file
146 [02:34:46] <busternube> but it blows 75% of the ouput past
with no pause
147 [02:35:10] <busternube> vga=ask no longer supported
148 [02:36:21] <petn-randall> ... have you tried scrolling the
output, as suggested?
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150 [02:37:41] <busternube> nothing has changed at all amdgpu is
not working , i can remove kvm after booted up and run
"identify display" in the xfce "display" program
gets nuthin but default
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152 [02:38:01] <busternube> i answererd about the scrolling
153 [02:38:22] <busternube> it dumps outp[ut fast and back to
grub command line
154 [02:38:28] <busternube> no scoll
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157 [02:39:20] <busternube> <sney> busternube: you
don't need to pick one person to help you,
158 [02:39:42] <busternube> but so far you are the closest winner
159 [02:39:45] <busternube> lol
160 [02:40:15] <sney> except I'm about to be afk for a
while.
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162 [02:42:13] <busternube> partly my display is a 720p TV so wek
as a pc monitor
163 [02:42:27] <busternube> probably doesnt help wiont support
any odd rez
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167 [02:51:43] <busternube>
replaced-url
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169 [02:57:00] <busternube> "Let's make it easy. The
AMD 3000 series driver is integrated into the kernel and any recent
Mint edition will work out of the box."
170 [02:57:14] <busternube> thas the one
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172 [02:59:25] <busternube> "These cards are now supported
with the later released Catalyst 13-1 legacy, but you MUST use a
kernel <= 3.4 and Xserver <= 1.12"
173 [02:59:42] <busternube> RS780 Radeon HD 3100/3200/3300
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175 [03:00:16] <busternube> these from google finds the last one
is old it seems
176 [03:06:08] <busternube> am i still connected theres 990
people in this room and zero activity
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180 [03:08:18] <petn-randall> busternube: That's how IRC
works. People idle. You didn't ask a question so nobody
responded.
181 [03:08:22] <busternube> "I had to install
linux-amd-graphics package but from stretch-backports..."
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213 [03:58:49] <dannylee> i put Debian stretch 9.13 on my machine
about one month ago...it would only let me have 2 web browser that
would work...i spent a month doing update..but no luck...there
somthing wrong with Debian source code...only firefox an chromium
world work...the other web browser are use less...so i put fedora 31
back on my machine an did updates...it only took me 30 minute to
install...fedora is run buy IBM an
214 [03:58:49] <dannylee> Redhat...i now have 20 terminal and 10
web browser that work with youtube an all others...Debian was rea;;y
good ten years ago...my computer is a Dell optiplex 960...its over
10 years old...maybe newer machine might work with Debian...there
indian programmer suck...they just don't know what there
doing..there source is really to Big...
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221 [04:05:10] <craigevil> troll
222 [04:05:21] <ryouma> i get this: "systemctl[805]: Failed
to stop systemd-ask-password-plymouth.path: Unit
systemd-ask-password-plymouth.path not loaded."
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224 [04:06:39] <ryouma> what does it mean? also, i ahve a problem
where, for some reason, my luks key on root is not being read, even
though cryypttab seems correct. so i get asked for password twice.
and the second time, there are async mesaages on the console (e.g.
about mouse) that obcure the fact that i am being asked.
225 [04:06:53] <ryouma> idk if my 2 issues are related or not
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236 [04:46:33] <sponix2ipfw> ryouma: seems you are working
towards securing yourself out of the system completely :)
237 [04:46:46] <sponix2ipfw> wish you luck on your adventure
238 [04:47:16] <ryouma> sponix2ipfw: well the only thing i did to
secure the system was run luks. is that THAT unusual?
239 [04:47:26] <ryouma> i mean, it's in the installer. it
can't be that strange.
240 [04:47:44] <ryouma> as for the systemd somethign or other, i
have zero idea what it is or means or does.
241 [04:48:30] <ryouma> luks is just pretty standard i thought
242 [04:48:46] <sponix2ipfw> its use is common
243 [04:49:54] <ryouma> what is a "system password"?
that could help me understand whether the systemd message is
related. because the password i am talking about is just luks.
244 [04:50:46] <sponix2ipfw> ryouma: the luks password to mount
the volume(s) and load the OS to start with is the same thing as a
"system password" -- I think. But am not 100% sure
245 [04:51:03] <sponix2ipfw> that name is kind of vague, it could
mean the root password also
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247 [04:51:40] <ryouma> yeah it is the root partition
248 [04:52:54] <ryouma> that i get asked the password twice for.
the first time i understand -- that is initrd or something. so it
unlocks root. then what? why would it need unlocking again, much
less to ignore what crypttab says?
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250 [04:53:31] <ryouma> but the async stuff in the console i
don't get. why is stuff allowed to overwrite hte screen.
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255 [04:55:58] <sponix2ipfw> ryouma: with any luck, someone with
experience in this area will chime in
256 [04:56:28] <sponix2ipfw> ryouma: I don't encrypt
anything, and probably never will
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394 [08:36:39] <sgo11> hi, a newbie question regarding lspci. my
lspci shows "Host bridge: Intel Corporation 8th Gen Core
Processor". But my cpu is intel i7-9850H which should be 9th
Gen. Why are they different? Thanks.
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397 [08:42:16] <jelly> sgo11, lspci reads pci-ids and has a fixed
database of descriptions for devices matching numeric ids. It's
possible two generations of some hardware share the exact same pci
id.
398 [08:42:55] <jelly> and the description was not updated since
the first time that pci id was added
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400 [08:48:28] <sgo11> jelly: thanks a lot for the answer. I am
trying to install something which require me to determine whether I
am running Coffee Lake (8th gen) or Coffee Lake (9th gen). I should
choose "Coffee Lake (9th gen)", is that right? I was so
confused when I see 8th gen in lspci.
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405 [08:53:17] <mesaboogie> sgo11: you can try running "sudo
update-pciidds" (I think a reboot is required for the database
to reflect the update) and *maybe* the updated database will show
the correct id. good luck.
406 [08:54:41] <mesaboogie> sudo update-pciids (<- typo
correction)
407 [08:55:23] <mesaboogie> sgo11: what does 'lscpu'
output show? =)
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414 [09:03:40] <Lope> Geez I've been struggling with a
network problem. Seems like it's resolved now though.
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418 [09:07:19] <Lope> VM with a webserver, with virtio network
bridged to physical LAN, the VM couldn't open webpage on other
computers on the network. Other PC's on the network
couldn't open the VM's webpage. Only the host could.
419 [09:07:33] <Lope> Ok, the problem is resolved. Geez. Network
manager is such a piece of crap.
420 [09:07:45] <Lope> Linux is madness.
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422 [09:09:13] <Lope> I was originally using ifupdown for
everything, but found it wasn't reliably bringing up my bridge
with RealCrap network adapter. So I switched to NetworkManager for
just the bridge that has RealCrap. NetworkManager was able to bring
it up reliably... But for some insane reason NetworkManager
wasn't allowing TCP traffic from the VM to pass thru the
bridge, only ICMP.
423 [09:09:18] <Lope> Was driving me nuts.
424 [09:09:37] <ratrace> doesn't sound like something NM
would block
425 [09:10:28] <TheBigK02> I feel like network-manager is in a
similar spot like systemd... its so different that everbody hates on
it :D
426 [09:10:44] <ratrace> but really, complex systems have complex
bugs. if interfaces(5) wasn't sufficient for your bridge, have
you tried systemd-networkd?
427 [09:10:48] <TheBigK02> i actually enjoy network-manager a
lot. it makes things just better...
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429 [09:11:18] <n4dir> i use it exactly once, that is after
installation. So i can't say much about it.
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437 [09:19:41] <sgo11> mesaboogie: thanks a lot for your reply. I
am not sure which parameter you want me to check from lscpu output.
`lscpu` shows i7-9850H. I bought the cpu myself. I knew it's
i7-9850H. I just don't know if i7-9850H can be 8th gen core or
not. I am not a hardware expert. I have no ideas about Coffee lake
name and generation number. Btw, I have updated pci.ids file, but I
can not reboot now. lspci still shows
438 [09:19:47] <sgo11> 8th gen so far.
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440 [09:21:03] <ratrace> sgo11: you can always look them up on
intel's ARK, lotsa info there:
replaced-url
441 [09:21:32] <rdz> hi. can i view a changelog of an upgradable
package _before_ I upgrade it?
442 [09:21:43] <ratrace> sgo11: sounds like 9th gen aka Coffee
Lake CPU
443 [09:21:47] <rdz> "apt-get changelog
mariadb-server-core-10.1" returns 404
444 [09:21:56] <rdz> that's in stretch, btw
445 [09:22:24] <sgo11> ratrace: thanks. so I can ignore lspci
output for now.
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447 [09:22:54] <ratrace> sgo11: I don't know, ignore for
what?
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449 [09:24:19] <sgo11> ratrace: lspci shows "Intel
Corporation 8th Gen Core Processor". So I should ignore this
output and use 9th core config files.
450 [09:24:53] <ratrace> rdz: that should've worked. dunno
if it doesn't because Stretch is EOL and in LTS mode. is that
package even installable?
451 [09:25:23] <ratrace> sgo11: config files for what? sorry,
I'm missing your previous convo about the issue
452 [09:25:30] <rdz> ratrace, yeah, it is
453 [09:26:15] <ratrace> rdz: what's the _exact_ output of
apt-get changelog?
454 [09:27:07] <rdz> ratrace,
replaced-url
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457 [09:28:36] <sgo11> ratrace: I am installing something. I
didn't say. Not sure if I should say the name or not. It has a
requirement to download some config files. Coffee lake 8th gen and
9th gen have different config files. So I need to determine whether
I should use coffee lake 8th gen files or coffe lake 9th gen files.
I am not a hardware expert. I am not sure if a CPU can be 9th gen
model and 8th gen core series at the
458 [09:28:42] <sgo11> same time.
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460 [09:31:34] <ratrace> sgo11: sorry I misread your
"lspci" as "lscpu" ... lspci is not good info on
which cpu you've got. and where exactly do you see "8th
gen" in lscpi output? surely not about the cpu, but PCI based
periphery?
461 [09:33:01] <ratrace> rdz: I'm not sure if that's
just some mirror hiccup, or that's the consequence of Stretch
being EOL'd
462 [09:33:04] <sgo11> ratrace: yeah, I saw 8th gen from lspci.
The output is: "00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 8th Gen
Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers (rev 0d)". I have
updated pci.ids file without a reboot. For some reasons, I can not
reboot the device now.
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464 [09:33:23] <rdz> ratrace, ok.. but apt-get changelog would be
the right tool, otherwise
465 [09:33:33] <unixbsd> hi, how to format with NTFS nfs 3d a
/dev/sda1 with bad block check?
466 [09:33:45] <unixbsd> (a removal from list if defect).
467 [09:33:45] <ratrace> rdz: yes, definitely
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469 [09:33:57] <rdz> ratrace, thanks
470 [09:34:20] <ratrace> rdz: it should be also available through
the package tracker, see here:
replaced-url
471 [09:34:53] <rdz> ratrace, at least, the proper changelog is
included in the package.. i could get it and read it now
472 [09:34:57] <ratrace> sgo11: so that's either stale pciid
database, or your motherboard is using older gen periphery for a
newer CPU, not impossible
473 [09:35:09] <ratrace> rdz: ah right, yes. source package too
474 [09:35:10] <rdz> ratrace, i was just wondering how critical
the upgrade was
475 [09:35:22] <sgo11> ratrace: I am sure I got i7-9850H cpu. I
bought it myself. It's not a released version. (a pre-release
version?). It has stepping 13 from lscpu output. I just don't
know if i7-9850H can be coffee lake 8th gen or not.
476 [09:36:09] <sgo11> ratrace: ok. so it's Coffee lake 9th
gen then. :) Thanks.
477 [09:36:11] <ratrace> sgo11: it's 9th gen if ARK says so.
the "8th gen" think you see in lspci is about periphery,
chipsets, could be stale pciids database or simply that's teh
name of it. older gen periphery can be and is used with newer CPUs
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479 [09:36:31] <sgo11> ratrace: ok. got it. thanks a lot.
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481 [09:36:48] <ratrace> sgo11: as an example, on a machine I
have, lspci says I have Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor PCI
Excpress x16 Controller. I assure you, that's no Xeon on that
motherboard :)
482 [09:37:29] <ratrace> it is, however, a haswell grade core i5.
yeah, xeons, core, all same waffer and then disabled features in the
core.... so, don't read too much into what lspci says,
that's not authoritative. ARK is.
483 [09:37:30] <sgo11> ratrace: ok. got it. ^_^
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485 [09:38:39] <ratrace> sgo11: also.... what _Exactly_ is that
needed for, I'm curious? Is it compile time options for some
software? for CPUFLAGS?
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492 [09:46:32] <sgo11> ratrace: it's for macos installation
on my device (opencore). (I am not sure if I should call it
hackintosh or not). I need to run some apps which do not provide
Linux version. All of them provide MacOS or Windows versions. So I
choose MacOS. I don't want to use it. But it's life, I
need to make some compromise. I don't want to run VMs too.
Win10 VM is slow. MacOS VM is a overkill. Btw, I don't enjoy
the
493 [09:46:38] <sgo11> macos install process.
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502 [09:52:03] <jelly> it's also possible some 8th gen and
9th gen intel cpus are not that different at all and actually share
exact same pcie internals
503 [09:53:02] <jelly> sgo11, if you have an engineer sample cpu
then all bets are off
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507 [09:55:24] <sgo11> jelly: ok. thanks for the info.
508 [09:55:42] <sgo11> btw, what do you mean by "all bets
are off"?
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510 [09:57:51] <sgo11> I think it's an engineer sample cpu.
The seller says so. It has stepping 13 from lscpu output. It should
be a kinda mature product. I have been using it for about a year
now.
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516 [10:00:03] <zathras> I know this is no official package, but
probably not something I am unique in to struggle with: I installed
MS teams .deb but I get a preview version which is very slow,
produces a big white screen and does not seem to function. Also
starts at every boot which I dislike.
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519 [10:00:33] <zathras> I see nothing stand out in hidious logs
(in .config !). Any pointers appreciated
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530 [10:06:04] <oxek> zathras: I also could not make it work a
few months ago
531 [10:06:14] <oxek> white screen, and nothing afterwards
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535 [10:13:47] <zathras> oxek, seems like another quality MS
product then
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537 [10:15:14] <zathras> I found the FAQ with issues also
intriguing. We are aware of these and will provide more info when we
have it. And that was quite some time a go. No other
issues/solutions
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540 [10:16:07] <zathras> You wonder if they even test the crap
541 [10:16:32] <zathras> oxek, did the web version work for you
on Debian?
542 [10:16:59] <oxek> the browser version worked, yes
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544 [10:17:18] <zathras> It seemed ok to me up to the point where
I could join. Just wondering if it was me or the other side with
issues
545 [10:17:21] <oxek> I don't think anyone is using the .deb
version, because it simply doesn't work and hasn't worked
in months
546 [10:17:32] <oxek> zathras: what browser are you using?
547 [10:17:42] <zathras> I tried to use it with Chromium
548 [10:17:45] <oxek> I had to install MS Edge
549 [10:17:51] <zathras> lol
550 [10:17:54] <oxek> didn't work in firefox nor chromium
for me back then
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552 [10:18:12] <zathras> They should provide a meta-package the :
fubar.deb
553 [10:18:22] <zathras> *then
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557 [10:20:03] <zathras> oxek, did you install the stable ,deb
and also got a preview version instead?
558 [10:20:12] <pafymyc> hi
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560 [10:20:27] <rajivmars> what kind of link is "replaced-url
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563 [10:20:51] <pafymyc> what's the most straightforward way
to host a very small nameserver on my server? so that by my
registrar, I'll use GLUE records and use my own server as
nameserver / NS record
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575 [10:25:35] <Sia-> Hi, i got this email for a error in mdadm
with raid1, but can't see any error listed or i can't fix.
replaced-url
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586 [10:38:18] <ratrace> Sia-: what email?
587 [10:38:42] <Sia-> root@myserver...etc
588 [10:38:56] <ratrace> Sia-: I mean you posted mdadm detail
output, not the email
589 [10:39:02] <ratrace> Sia-: also your array is degraded, one
member has been kicked out I guess. you'll have to search
kernel logs for what actually happened
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591 [10:40:21] <Sia->
replaced-url
592 [10:40:22] <ratrace> Sia-: start with `dmesg | grep '
md: '` and expand from that
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594 [10:40:46] <ratrace> Sia-: right, a member has been kicked
out. Now figure out why from the kernel logs.
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599 [10:44:33] <Sia-> ok
replaced-url
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601 [10:46:53] <ratrace> Sia-: is that all? maybe that
wasn't sufficient grep filter. look at the journal around the
time that email was sent. for example 5 minutes before, onward. you
can use --since param for journalctl for that.
602 [10:47:14] <Sia-> ok
603 [10:47:23] <ratrace> also btw, what you posted does not match
grep " md: "
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607 [10:48:27] <Sia-> one more
replaced-url
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611 [10:53:05] <ratrace> Sia-: when did you get the email from
mdadm?
612 [10:53:31] <Sia-> every night
613 [10:54:56] <ratrace> Sia-: so, the mirror is made of sdb and
sdc? can you check journal around the time of your LAST email from
mdadm? try few minutes before, using --since
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615 [10:55:35] <Sia-> ok
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617 [10:56:14] <newbsduser> hi team, what is the best open source
project for collecting sflow on Debian?
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622 [11:05:06] <Sia-> ratrace i think found the error in sdb,
i'll activete raid again hope the error is fixed. Have a nice
day (Y)
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636 [11:16:01] <ratrace> sigh..... sdb wasn't even kicked
out of the array.... welp, they'll be back.
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644 [11:20:11] <jelly> /kick ratrace out of the array
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646 [11:21:05] <ratrace> haha! joke's on you! I'm in ur
btrfs and zfs, not in mdadmfs!
647 [11:21:08] <jelly> md is a bit flexinble on the number of
errors on a member before kicking it out, these days, I think
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649 [11:21:50] <ratrace> my suspicion is the disk is cheap
consumer grade NotForRAID thigny and it went into sleep, got kicked
out. if it happens "daily" as it was suggested.
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673 [11:45:52] <Lope> ratrace, I haven't tried
systemd-networkd
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675 [11:46:28] <Lope> TheBigK02, the problem with NetworkManager
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677 [11:46:49] <Lope> I simply deleted it from NM, then
re-created it with ifupdown and it worked.
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679 [11:47:20] <Lope> ratrace, the reason ifupdown wasn't
working for me previously (bridge wasn't reliably coming up
after boot) was probably due to RealCrap issues, which I've
since resolved.
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782 [13:36:02] <busternoob2> sup i'm back
783 [13:36:13] <busternoob2> on my win box
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785 [13:36:59] <busternoob2> nobody cares i'm sure
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787 [13:39:33] <busternoob2> by debian10 netinstall was giving me
no video modes on my 760g amd box has onboard video radeon rs780? i
think we went thru cleaning up and installing amdgpu driver. reboot
without going thru the kvm was blanking the screen but it determined
that was the 720p tv i'm using as a monitor.
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790 [13:40:28] <busternoob2> i have an old square monitor on it
now and it booted fine to 1280 square rez.
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795 [13:43:06] <andre144k> hello, i think i found a bug in
debian11 testing ... when i start gnome roller, to create a 7zip
archive, witch password and split into 100mb files...
796 [13:43:16] <busternoob2> i dont how it should be being a
linux noob but theres no modes in the xfce "display"
program still only 3 modes rather the offering went to 1280 720 and
640 and messing with any of them borks the colors and video. the
bootup 1280 looks real good seems to have a good driver running it.
i need to get it to start at 1360 to please my kvm switch andd tv
monitor.
797 [13:43:25] <andre144k> i get an error, but files seems to
create correctly
798 [13:43:39] <busternoob2> witches ride brooms
799 [13:43:41] <busternoob2> lol
800 [13:43:51] <andre144k> with
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805 [13:45:25] <busternoob2> should i just abandon GUI apps for
video mode and modify xorg.conf or something? or add a mode to grub.
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807 [13:46:29] <busternoob2> does installing the drivers from the
OEM pages get me a superior video driver utility like it does in
winders?
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810 [13:50:34] <ratrace> !tell andre144k about debian-next
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820 [13:55:09] <flrnd> busternube: did you try passing the video
parameter to the kernel?
821 [13:56:23] <busternube>
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823 [13:59:00] <jhutchins> busternube: I don't think this is
a software problem.
824 [13:59:28] <flrnd> busternube: answering the question about
xfce video modes, because the KVM switch, Xorg just can't
access the EDID info, so you either edit the xorg file or pass the
video mode to the kernel on boot
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828 [14:00:34] <jhutchins> ... which we resolved, what, 11:00 GMT
yesterday?
829 [14:00:37] <busternoob2> loging onto the deb box is a pain
right now so gonna pastebin from there come back here.
830 [14:00:42] <busternoob2> did that already
831 [14:00:44] <flrnd> if that doesn't work, get that KVM
switch, burn it and dance over the ashes
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834 [14:02:22] <flrnd> I think I've never spent more time
than necesary trying to make a piece of hardware work. I value my
time too much, but I may be weird. In your case, I don't know
the imperative reason to make that thing works, but I'd
probably throw to the closes trash can :P
835 [14:03:03] <jhutchins> I'm down to five computers
in-house these days. I can log in to any one of them over the
network and launch pretty much any program I want remotely.
836 [14:03:05] <flrnd> also, I know this is not every valuable
advice, sorry for that :)
837 [14:03:22] <flrnd> s/every/very
838 [14:03:26] <flrnd> cant type today lol
839 [14:03:27] <busternoob2> well us poor folk went broking
buying the other hardware so learing to make the old stuiff work is
important'
840 [14:03:43] <busternoob2> i cant type
841 [14:04:47] <flrnd> the problem with the KVM switch is that
there is no other way for, nor the driver or xorg to know the specs
of the display (EDID info)
842 [14:04:53] <busternoob2> would like to remove clean up
whatever makes the xfce display program bork the video so it doesnt
happen again. i will forget and start pressing those buttons again
someday.
843 [14:05:29] <busternoob2> yes its the cheap monitor also tho.
844 [14:05:32] <flrnd> that's a common problem with legazy
displays and kvm
845 [14:05:48] <busternoob2> i tried working with direct connect
to monitor
846 [14:06:01] <flrnd> you have the perfect cocktail for
frustration, a whoknows-display behind and old KVM switch
847 [14:06:16] <jhutchins> KVMs not passing EDID is a well known
problem.
848 [14:06:49] <flrnd> I think jhutchins just told something very
interesting, have you consider trying to make it work, but remotely?
exporting the display for example?
849 [14:07:12] <busternoob2> but the small monitor i have on it
now answers the question why it wasnt working on the 720p tv.
850 [14:07:21] <jhutchins> I believe he mentioned that it was a
TV, not a straight-up monitor. TVs use different standards for EDID/
851 [14:07:32] <busternoob2> i never exported a display you mean
like VNC etc?
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853 [14:08:03] <jhutchins> busternube: I don't go full VNC,
I just forward X apps or use the console.
854 [14:08:21] <flrnd> na, no need for VNC
855 [14:08:42] <flrnd> X11 is a display server. (I was there,
3000 years ago :P=)
856 [14:08:51] <busternoob2> i thinki experimented with that once
years ago had to use PUTTY to forward it to my windows
machine...sound right?
857 [14:08:54] <flrnd> you can export the display through the
network
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859 [14:09:29] <flrnd> and open it on other linux machine, or
yeah, Maybe PUTTY can do it (don't know, never used it)
860 [14:09:34] <busternoob2> i also constructed a ssh tunnel for
it
861 [14:10:03] <flrnd> I'm trying to give you food for
thought, but don't let this stop you :)
862 [14:11:16] <busternoob2> oh xrandr method wasnt working
863 [14:12:11] <busternube> randr: Failed to get size of gamma
for output default
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868 [14:20:42] <Myst> Hello, who manage bot "dpkg" ?
There is an error in the link for "10.8"
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870 [14:24:17] <busternoob2> i was experimenting wihtout luck in
editing the grub line
871 [14:24:47] <busternoob2> buster grub no longer supports
vga=xxxx
872 [14:25:30] <busternoob2> i tried to obtain available modes
using vbeinfo? at grub CL
873 [14:26:08] <busternoob2> it does not pause and blows most of
the 200 results past rapidly and back to CL
874 [14:27:16] <flrnd> busternube: it's video=VGA1:1024x768
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876 [14:27:32] <busternoob2> if i edit the grub conf file and it
goes bad how do i circumvent to get in and remove those changes?
877 [14:28:01] <flrnd> the syntax is:
video=<conn>:<xres>x<yres>[M][R][-<bpp>][@<refresh>][i][m][eDd]
878 [14:28:34] <flrnd> enable sshd and access from another
computer :P
879 [14:29:17] <flrnd> change 1024x768 for the actual display
resolution
880 [14:29:36] <flrnd> more info
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881 [14:30:21] <busternoob2> ok thx
882 [14:31:29] <busternoob2> display is still called
"default" i think so video=default:1360x768 ?
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884 [14:32:10] <flrnd> yeah that should do
885 [14:32:47] <busternoob2> then edit grub conf file if it works
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888 [14:33:19] <busternoob2> the other methods i saw were to edit
the xorg.conf
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890 [14:34:10] <busternoob2> using modeline taken from xrandr
891 [14:34:46] <busternoob2> gotta read up on exporting
892 [14:35:30] <flrnd> doing that you shouldn't edit or do
anything else because that would override the video mode
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905 [14:48:36] <flrnd> is there a debian-offtopic channel where I
can rant? X)
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908 [14:49:51] <oxek> flrnd: #debian-offtopic
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911 [14:52:48] <flrnd> thanks
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913 [14:55:50] <tarzeau> there is #debian-rant
914 [14:55:58] <tarzeau> on another irc network
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920 [15:01:36] <oxek> there's also /dev/null
921 [15:01:42] <oxek> which might be the most useful place for
rants
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924 [15:03:24] <flrnd> my favourite
925 [15:03:37] <flrnd> because rants are pointless crap in
reality
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927 [15:05:16] <spaceone> i have a problem with imagemagick
(convert):
replaced-url
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931 [15:06:36] <flrnd> spaceone: try this sudo apt-get install
librsvg2-bin
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935 [15:09:29] <spaceone> flrnd: thanks! this worked
936 [15:09:36] <flrnd> nice!
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939 [15:09:58] <spaceone> i had already installed librsvg2-2 and
librsvg2-common.
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943 [15:14:48] <ychaouche> hello #debian
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945 [15:16:28] <flrnd> \o/ hello
946 [15:19:01] <ychaouche> I have the suspicion that the snmpd
package ships with a wrong config file
947 [15:19:26] <ychaouche> I can see lines like this :
948 [15:19:27] <ychaouche> Mar 24 15:09:33 cloud snmpd[22311]:
/etc/snmp/snmpd.conf: line 168: Warning: Unknown token:
defaultMonitors.
949 [15:19:27] <ychaouche> Mar 24 15:09:33 cloud snmpd[22311]:
/etc/snmp/snmpd.conf: line 169: Warning: Unknown token:
linkUpDownNotifications.
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951 [15:19:53] <flrnd> if that's the case, try to fill a bug
report
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953 [15:20:09] <ychaouche> I have purged the package and will
install it again
954 [15:20:20] <ychaouche> to start on a new slate
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956 [15:20:43] <ksk> !confnew
957 [15:20:43] <dpkg> [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force
dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can
also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o
DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install
<packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o
DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall
<packagename>. See also <confmiss>.
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961 [15:21:07] <ychaouche> oh nice thanks ksk
962 [15:22:32] <ychaouche> I need to find the correct filter in
strace to only get the executed binaries/scripts
963 [15:22:41] <busternoob2> i was looking at the manual for the
Dynex 720p TV . under the specs under the section TV/VGA: the
metadata is "no"
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966 [15:24:28] <ksk> ychaouche: I use "-e open" in such
cases.
967 [15:25:02] <ksk> oh, executed. nevermind me. the manpage
should have something for you though I suppose.
968 [15:26:20] <ychaouche> execve I guess
969 [15:27:58] <MagnusOl> Hi will debian use xwayaland standalone
package release 21 ??
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979 [15:36:26] <b0t> Hello, i get a error 500 when I put any line
in the htaccess file, if the file is empty I have no errors.
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982 [15:39:43] <aims> b0t have you checked for syntax errors in
the file?
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984 [15:40:22] <aims> Given how broad 500 is error-wise, any
syntax issues in your .htaccess will throw one up -- hence why an
empty one doesn't.
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986 [15:40:57] <b0t> I have done it, just when I put a comment it
gives an error, #comment
987 [15:41:13] <b0t> I cant write here
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1000 [15:47:10] <deicide-> !paste
1001 [15:47:11] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
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replaced-url
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1007 [15:49:33] <b0t> I change the permissions a get a 403...
1008 [15:49:41] <omarek> I'm researching LVM on LUKS.
I'd like to have most partitions on a SSD, but keep heavy data
(games, music etc) on my HDDs. I think luksFormat can only make a
LUKS partition on a single device?
1009 [15:50:03] <omarek> Which would mean I would have to type 2
passphrases when booting my computer just for encryption purposes.
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1012 [15:51:30] <omarek> I can't find good documentation for
LUKS volumes/containers, all I find is tutorials and guides.
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1015 [15:53:04] <cws> omarek: you can make it so that the
passphrase entered for the first container is attempted for
subsequent containers.
1016 [15:53:05] <omarek> I don't want the full specification
either. I'm not implementing LUKS .
1017 [15:53:19] <cws> That behavior MAY even be the default, I
don't recall.
1018 [15:54:35] <omarek> cws: Either way the LVM on LUKS
can't make the LVM span multiple drives, right? THat's
fine but could be better.
1019 [15:55:15] <cws> Sure it could. Create a LUKS container on
each physical disk, then create an LVM volgroup that spans the
containers.
1020 [15:55:22] <cws> One passphrase unlocks both containers, and
off you go.
1021 [15:55:38] <omarek> cws: Where can I find more information on
the "same passphrase" feature?
1022 [15:55:46] <cws> That may actually be the default behavior.
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1024 [15:57:38] <omarek> cws: That sounds like LUKS on LVM, not
LVM on LUKS.
1025 [15:57:56] <cws> LUKS is LUKS.
1026 [15:58:04] <cws> It doesn't actually matter which one is
on top.
1027 [15:58:19] <cws> Containers still have to be unlocked.
1028 [15:58:40] <omarek> cws: I think if LVM is the top one then
someone could potentially see how many logical volumes you have.
1029 [15:58:59] <cws> Which gives them what?
1030 [15:59:21] <omarek> Whereas if you put LVM inside LUKS,
it's completely opaque. According to Arch wiki.
1031 [15:59:36] <cws> Okay, great. Again, what does that get an
attacker?
1032 [15:59:49] <oxek> omarek: definitely not completely opaque
1033 [15:59:54] <oxek> VGs are still revealed
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1035 [16:00:03] <oxek> because of how grub is configured
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1037 [16:00:41] <oxek> anyway, passphrase on boot unlocks /etc
that contains keys that unlock further disks - that way you only
need to type the passphrase only once
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1039 [16:01:17] <another> you could also store a keyfile in initrd
if your initrd is encrypted
1040 [16:01:35] <oxek> yes
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1042 [16:01:40] <another> there was also some other method.. hold
onb
1043 [16:01:50] <omarek> Okay, I found it.
keyscript=decrypt_keyctl
1044 [16:02:00] <oxek> 100 ways to skin a cat
1045 [16:02:02] <omarek> crypttab
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1049 [16:02:44] <another>
replaced-url
1050 [16:03:01] <another> hah! beat me to it
1051 [16:03:12] <b0t> I need to know how to enable htaccess and
not have problems, I do not understand what happens
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1053 [16:04:08] <greycat>
replaced-url
1054 [16:04:26] <ratrace> b0t: your question is extremely vague
1055 [16:04:53] <b0t> I get a error 500 when I put any line in the
htaccess file, if the file is empty I have no errors.
1056 [16:04:56] <ratrace> furthermore, there's #httpd here on
freenode with much more apache experts (your question is ontopic
here too)
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1058 [16:05:26] <ratrace> b0t: sounds like you're putting a
wrong line in your htaccess file
1059 [16:05:39] <b0t> AH00171: Graceful restart requested, doing
restart
1060 [16:05:55] <b0t> I have done it, just when I put a comment it
gives an error, #comment
1061 [16:06:30] <imMute> ratrace: he's +q in #httpd
1062 [16:06:40] <b0t> *----> <IfModule not allowed here
1063 [16:06:51] <greycat> The first google result for your message
says, in part, "Graceful restart requested is normal in Apache
-- part of crontab rotation."
1064 [16:07:12] <ratrace> imMute: so that says a lot
1065 [16:07:18] <b0t> The error is: <IfModule not allowed here
1066 [16:07:22] <ratrace> just like the nature of this question
1067 [16:07:27] <greycat> So don't put IfModule there.
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1069 [16:09:46] <omarek> oxek: I know I could make it so /boot is
on a removable USB drive, but I'm not aiming for perfection. I
can find a way to encrypt /boot later.
1070 [16:10:08] <omarek> It's a stationary computer so I
would most likely just leave the USB stick plugged in.
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1072 [16:14:17] <ratrace> omarek: just a word of caution with
/boot on usb stick. have a backup clone.
1073 [16:17:05] <b0t> Maybe we can start from 0 and leave the
jokes
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1079 [16:18:55] <b0t> In /etc/apache2/sites-available/ i have the
default config and my site config
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1082 [16:19:24] <b0t> Can they get in the way of each other?
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1085 [16:21:13] <dob1> is 23 september 1979 related to something
in linux/unix date calculation? I am having problem with a program
when it run some calculation on this date and before
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1087 [16:23:09] <greycat> wooledg:~$ date +%s -d '1979-09-23
00:00:00'
1088 [16:23:09] <greycat> 306907200
1089 [16:23:16] <greycat> Does not look magical to me.
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1091 [16:24:22] <dob1> dunno, just asking
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1093 [16:25:21] <ratrace> b0t: yes, the config files are all
included into one httpd.conf
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1095 [16:25:55] <ratrace> so depending on the order at which
they're included, one may override the settings of another
1096 [16:26:27] <ratrace> the usual pattern is to have one
virtualhost defined per file so typically they're independent
1097 [16:26:58] <greycat> (which is why the directory is named
"sites-enabled", "site" = "virtual
host")
1098 [16:28:31] <b0t> I put <Directory /> Options
FollowSymLinks AllowOverride All Require all granted
</Directory>
1099 [16:28:34] <b0t> And work
1100 [16:28:36] <EdePopede> b0t: seems you have to get to the
point the get an understanding on the general structure of the
config (Context) and how to read where you can put which directives.
oh and btw, in #httpd they'd definitely tell you to not use
.htaccess at all ;)
1101 [16:29:04] <greycat> the documentation I linked also strongly
recommended not using it
1102 [16:29:12] <ratrace> b0t: are those in a virtualhost
context/scope?
1103 [16:29:16] <b0t> The error was there
1104 [16:29:26] <imMute> greycat: don't for get to nuke $TZ.
but even with that the number doesn't look magical either.
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1106 [16:29:41] <b0t> #:#ratrace: Yes
1107 [16:29:53] <EdePopede> they seem to underrate the number of
changes people have to do until it works if it's not their
daily business. including typos :)
1108 [16:29:54] <ratrace> b0t: so maybe pastebin the config file
that's erroring out
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1110 [16:30:04] <ratrace> !pastebin
1111 [16:30:04] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
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1112 [16:30:07] <greycat> imMute: if it had been within 100k
seconds of something like a new power of 10, then yeah
1113 [16:30:26] <ratrace> EdePopede: but .htaccess has its uses
1114 [16:30:58] <ratrace> EdePopede: biggest use case is customer
retention. "I don't care about your security policy!
OverThereHosting has cpanel and they allow .htaccess. good
bye!"
1115 [16:31:22] <cws> cpanel is already a huge warning sign
1116 [16:31:28] <ratrace> yea :)
1117 [16:31:47] <EdePopede> ratrace: i came to use it until
everything works, so i don't have to restart all the time. and
then when (can't recall the directive) i want some text for
entries. directory listings also can be informative.
1118 [16:32:01] <ratrace> many PHP apps come with .htacess in
their installation tarballs and they're "premade" to
just FTP upload and run JustLikeThat(tm)
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1122 [16:33:05] <cws> If you're allowing directory listings,
you are wrong.
1123 [16:33:23] <cws> The sole exception being directories MEANT
for people to download files from, like iso/package mirrors.
1124 [16:33:24] <greycat> I disagree with that.
1125 [16:33:46] <greycat> ... and of course you revert your
statement while I'm addressing it
1126 [16:33:54] <ratrace> :)
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1128 [16:34:40] <ratrace> I miss RewriteCondition in nginx so
much, though.
1129 [16:35:08] <EdePopede> also something they'd first ask
you if you REALLY need it ;)
1130 [16:35:12] <EdePopede> (mod_rewrite)
1131 [16:36:08] <EdePopede> and ofc it should be no problem to use
a static site generator instead of directory listings, would be even
more flexible.
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keepalived. it's service file contains the following reload
command: `ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID`
1134 [16:37:28] <ratrace> EdePopede: of course you need it. People
wouldn't invent it and use it for decades if there was no use
:)
1135 [16:37:32] <fourstepper> nevermind, my bad
1136 [16:37:56] <EdePopede> ratrace: "it has its usage
cases." ;)
1137 [16:38:02] <ratrace> sure :)
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1139 [16:40:35] <EdePopede> btw, static site generators. is there
a project to add debtags to packages? i've been looking for
some similar packages in the past a few times already (like wikis
and relatives) and some of them were missing tags i would have
expected, even more since similar packages had them.
1140 [16:42:04] <EdePopede> i really like the option to create
software lists by tags, like "wikis written in python" or
"text editors for the terminal"
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1154 [17:04:40] <alexrelis[m]> Anyone know how to encrypt a flash
drive with files already in it?
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1157 [17:06:00] <ratrace> alexrelis[m]: copy files somewhere,
encrypt (create luks container, filesystem in it), copy files back
1158 [17:06:58] <alexrelis[m]> ratrace: Is it possible to encrypt
with the files still on the drive?
1159 [17:07:01] <ratrace> or use this.... but.... I'd really
just copy, luks, copy.
replaced-url
1160 [17:07:47] <ratrace> make sure you ahve backups.... in which
case..... why not just copy the data...
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1163 [17:08:54] <oxek> alexrelis[m]: create a container file on
the drive, move files into container, zero out space outside of
container?
1164 [17:09:29] <alexrelis[m]> Okay thanks.
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1167 [17:09:53] <omarek> ratrace: Im going to have a data backup,
especially that it appears a data backup is a good workaround for
corrupted LUKS headers.
1168 [17:10:11] <omarek> In which case even knowing the passphrase
is not enough. A bit odd.
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1170 [17:11:28] <oxek> ratrace:
replaced-url
1171 [17:11:30] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1174 [17:14:03] <oxek> in short, use cryptsetup-reencrypt
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1183 [17:21:49] <ratrace> oxek: good to know, thanks.
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look at journalctl -u interesting.service
1191 [17:26:47] <jelly> without giving them root shell?
1192 [17:27:11] <jelly> things to note: 1) journalctl runs less by
default 2) less has !sh
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table 100" to create a rule. but after unplug the rj45 cable,
this rule will disappear, any reason why?
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1219 [17:44:46] <maxtim> I'm trying to follow the instruction
to install debian on a mirrored zfs using these instructions:
replaced-url
1220 [17:45:27] <jelly> ,v systemd
1221 [17:45:28] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- jessie:
215-17+deb8u7; jessie-security: 215-17+deb8u13; stretch-security:
232-25+deb9u11; stretch: 232-25+deb9u12; stretch-backports:
241-5~bpo9+1; buster: 241-7~deb10u6; buster-proposed-updates:
241-7~deb10u7; buster-backports: 247.3-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 247.3-3;
sid: 247.3-3
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1223 [17:46:01] <maxtim> I suspect the problem has to do with the
/boot partition. When I `mount /boot` according to the
troubleshooting section, mount reports: can't find in
/etc/fstab
1224 [17:46:33] <omarek> Hey I'm trying to install bullseye
from USB on an nvme drive. I can't switch the
'bootable' flag on. It just won't budge, no message.
1225 [17:46:52] <omarek> My motherboard supports booting from NVME
replaced-url
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1227 [17:47:12] <omarek> The drive is in the correct slot (M2_1)
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1231 [17:47:43] <omarek> The steps I use: 1) create a new GPT
partition table on the drive, 2) create an ext4 /boot partition
(before I set up encryption or LVM)
1232 [17:48:03] <omarek> 3) try pressing the 'bootable'
flag, which defaults to 'off'.
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1238 [17:49:29] <omarek> This is the drive (I have the 256 GB
variant)
replaced-url
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1240 [17:50:27] <omarek> The screen flickers and it remains off.
I've tried both advanced installer and advanced graphical
installer. The ISO is an usual netinst.
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1252 [18:02:45] <ratrace> omarek: there's no bootable tag for
GPT afaik. are you confusing that with bios_grub partition flag?
1253 [18:03:04] <cws> ratrace: You are correct. That's an MBR
thing.
1254 [18:03:20] <jelly> to answer myself, #systemd says they added
LESSSECURE=1 env.var. to journalctl in August 2020. This will not be
in stretch. Or buster. Maybe bullseye will allow for a safe
"sudo journalctl -u some.service"
1255 [18:03:46] <ratrace> omarek: btw, from the previous convo:
the reason I recommend a backup clone of your usb, is that, at least
in my experience, those things tend to die after a year or so and
having a clone saves you the effort of creating another /boot
elswhere
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1257 [18:04:18] <jelly> you know what's really fun? What you
have the whole OS on that stick, not just /boot
1258 [18:04:23] <ratrace> jelly: tl;dr on what does that do, or
should I really go ask mr. google
1259 [18:04:27] <jelly> s/What/When/
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1261 [18:05:04] <jelly> ratrace, the goal was to safely give
developers ability to look at logs for one specific service
1262 [18:05:12] <ratrace> jelly: I used to have that. full debian
installation for rescue. died within 6 months. switched to a
2.5" shucked usb disk I always carry around
1263 [18:05:25] <ratrace> jelly: "safely"?
1264 [18:05:58] <jelly> ratrace, you can't do that by giving
them sudo journalctl -u some.service, because journalctl runs less.
less has !sh
1265 [18:06:22] <sney> jelly: does adding a user to the
'systemd-journal' group not work for you? on one of my
buster vms, I just tested this and my regular user is able to e.g.
'journalctl -u ssh.service'
1266 [18:06:39] <jelly> sney, that gives them ability to read ALL
logs in journal
1267 [18:06:59] <sney> ohh, you want *exclusively* the service in
question. got it.
1268 [18:07:04] <jelly> also bad, only slightly less bad
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1270 [18:07:20] <jelly> it's not an immediate root shell
1271 [18:07:51] <ratrace> ach so
1272 [18:08:15] <jelly> ratrace, I put grml.org on a 16GB stick in
2005 or so, it just. Won't. Die.
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1275 [18:08:56] <jelly> it seems they live longer if you
only/mostly read
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1279 [18:11:41] <omarek> ratrace: I'm not going to have a
/boot on USB. Just a plain unencrypted /boot, then maybe later
follow one of the guides to encrypt it. And just back up data on my
external drive as a workaround.
1280 [18:12:46] <omarek> Okay, so the 'boot' flag is a
relict of the past and GPT doesn't need it.
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1282 [18:12:56] <omarek> Or rather grub doesn't need it, I
think.
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1285 [18:13:55] <omarek> My mobo came pre-upgraded to BIOS version
1.4 as opposed to the usual 1.1
1286 [18:17:18] <ratrace> jelly: wrote once and never again? I
think what killed my USBs is monthly update runs
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1363 [19:22:14] <cub3s_> Currently to see a LUKS encrypted
partition's name (label), I have to decrypt it first.
1364 [19:22:25] <cub3s_> Is there a way to set an
"outer" label, so I see the label beforehand?
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1367 [19:22:30] <cub3s_> Before decrypting, that is.
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1374 [19:24:38] <ratrace> cub3s_: yes, you can set PARTLABEL on
the partition
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1376 [19:25:16] <ratrace> and I suppose you meant filesystem
label, not partition lable, unless you have a GPT table inside your
LUKS container
1377 [19:25:55] <cub3s_> as long as I see the name under
"Other Locations" in Debian "Files" program,
I'll be happy :)
1378 [19:26:16] <cub3s_> can i set this PARTLABEL in the Disks GUI
program, or is some terminal command needed?
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1393 [19:39:49] <ratrace> cub3s_: sorry, I don't know, I
don't use GUIs
1394 [19:40:10] <ratrace> but you can always use command line
tools, yes. parted, gdisk, sgdisk, ...
1395 [19:42:38] <cub3s_> lol ok
1396 [19:42:41] <cub3s_> you're a serious player
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1416 [20:00:42] <newbsduser> hi team, what is the best open source
project for collecting sflow on Debian? I want to collect sflow
traffic as ascii text file or redirect to syslog-ng.
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1431 [20:13:31] <djp_> trying to get a home web server running on
debian buster. using nginx. receiving a forbidden rejected request
from rfc1918 ip to public server address when i use the domain name.
local ip of server works fine.
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1437 [20:17:13] <cws> are you trying to hit the public address
from inside?
1438 [20:17:45] <jolt> djp_: do you have a router/gateway/nat
thingie in front of the public ip?
1439 [20:18:01] <djp_> cws: yes. router is running openwrt.
1440 [20:18:55] <jolt> djp_: and the question cws asked, how did
you try and reach it?
1441 [20:19:32] <djp_> cws: jolt: yes, trying locally returns the
reject message.
1442 [20:19:52] <djp_> jolt: if i try and connect from outside,
then the connection is refused.
1443 [20:19:55] <jolt> djp_: probably need hairpin port forward in
the router for it to work.
1444 [20:20:46] <jolt> djp_: lazy solution: let the inside DNS
answer with the inside address so it works when you are home. Or
search for hairpin setup in the firewall
1445 [20:21:21] <djp_> jolt: will look into hairpin port
forwarding. thank you.
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1489 [20:59:47] <disgrntld> Hey guys, I'm trying to get an
ooold Debian project working (1.7). It was deployed to Heroku which
uses a Procfile and environment vars (I have a local .env with my
PostgreSQL connection info and a Procfile that spins up Gunicorn).
My settings.py has `DATABASES['default'] =
dj_database_url.config()` but that config method returns an empty
object.
1490 [20:59:47] <disgrntld> Does anyone have any guesses on how
Django used to know about my .env? Maybe Foreman?
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1501 [21:04:27] <jelly> disgrntld, how is this related to debian?
Are you asking the right channel?
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1503 [21:05:03] <disgrntld> jelly, oh no, my bad
1504 [21:05:10] <disgrntld> indeed, wrong channel, sry everyone
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1506 [21:05:31] <disgrntld> I was thinking Django
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1517 [21:21:47] <jelly> it happens, np
1518 [21:23:10] <ratrace> hai fren . my firefox can haz vuln ,how
i make up to date pls?
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1520 [21:23:48] <alex11> switch to chrome
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1523 [21:24:05] <jelly> Help -> About Firefox -> check for
updates
1524 [21:24:07] * jelly hides
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1526 [21:26:27] <Anarchy7> !dpkg buster sources.list
1527 [21:26:27] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
replaced-url
1528 [21:26:51] <Anarchy7> !dpkg stretch sources.list
1529 [21:26:51] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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1531 [21:27:11] <ratrace> Anarchy7: y'know, you can /msg teh
bot, take it out for a nice dinner, talk privately....
1532 [21:27:45] <Anarchy7> thanks I didnt know
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1534 [21:28:07] <jmcnaught> Anarchy7: upgrading to stretch?
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1538 [21:28:57] <Anarchy7> I want to upgrade to buster, on
tutorial it said just change stretch -> buster. I couldnt believe
came to verify
1539 [21:29:35] <cws>
replaced-url
1540 [21:29:40] <jmcnaught> Anarchy7: if you are on stretch
already then it is recommended to follow the upgrade instructions in
the release notes, and also see the what's new and issues to be
aware of sections.
1541 [21:29:46] <ratrace> Anarchy7: technically, yes. BUT,
it's very, very wise to read the releaes notes and see what
changed or if any additional steps are needed. frist and foremost,
disable third party repos
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1546 [21:31:35] <jem> Hi, anyone online?
1547 [21:32:10] <cws> jem: Best to just ask your question.
1548 [21:32:29] <Anarchy7> Thanks Im checking the link!
1549 [21:33:15] <jem> Thanks, cws
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1551 [21:34:03] <jem> Ok, I am working in a new installation in a
newcomputer, the wifi is not detected but I just got a driver from
Intel, it's an AX200 Wifi 6
1552 [21:34:09] <jem> new computer*
1553 [21:34:37] <aims> Sharing
replaced-url
1554 [21:34:39] <jem> It's a tgz compressed and the page says
"copy to /lib/firmware" and that's it
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1556 [21:35:04] <jem> So, should I compress? reboot? execute
anything else?
1557 [21:35:11] <ratrace> jem: I'd check first if those
firmwares are already packaged in debian
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1559 [21:35:38] <jem> Ok, ratrace, just by the same name that
Intel gives?
1560 [21:35:47] <jem> It's very strange indeed
1561 [21:35:49] <ratrace> jem: possibly, I'd start with that
1562 [21:35:55] <jem> Ok, let me check
1563 [21:36:10] <ratrace> jem: but ... if firmware is needed,
maybe there's a trace in dmesg with kernel modules already
trying, and not finding them dmesg | grep -i firmware
1564 [21:36:36] <ratrace> otherwise just plopping random files
under /lib wont work unless the kernel wants them
1565 [21:36:42] <jmcnaught> jem: AX200 support was added to Linux
5.1. Debian 10/stable/buster includes Linux 4.19. You will need to
install linux-image-amd64 and firmware-iwlwifi from
buster-backports.
1566 [21:36:59] <jmcnaught>
replaced-url
1567 [21:37:05] <ratrace> there you go
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1571 [21:41:04] <jem> jmcnaught: The kernel 5.10 was done and I
have just discovered firmware-iwlwifi :)
1572 [21:41:26] <jem> I guess I need to reboot
1573 [21:41:41] <jem> (After installing firmware-iwlwifi)
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1582 [21:50:25] <overyander> fresh install of mariadb on a fresh
server. I ran mysql_secure_install then I followed the instructions
at
replaced-url
1583 [21:52:03] <aims> Seems more like a question for #maria
1584 [21:52:52] <overyander> agreed but i hoped someone here might
know. #maria is pretty dead and doesn't have near the number of
users online.
1585 [21:54:14] <ryouma> i am not sure that politics should be on
this channel, but instead be on affiliated channels that are not for
helping users
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1595 [22:04:36] <aims> ryouma: nothing said was against the
guidelines, and given it's something that has further-reaching
implications than the FSF, it's relevant. I personally know of
a number of people hesitant to get involved with Debian or any FLOSS
projects because of such harassment and bigotry being allowed in
FLOSS spaces.
1596 [22:04:41] <jelly> overyander, does unix domain socket auth
still work for root (that is, without -p)?
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1598 [22:04:56] <overyander> jelly, no
1599 [22:04:58] <unixbsd> hi
1600 [22:05:05] <jelly> hmmm
1601 [22:05:16] <unixbsd> how to format with NTFS with ntfs
version 3.1 the /dev/sda1?
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1603 [22:05:40] <rk4> aims: looks like trash and i've only
read the first line
1604 [22:05:43] <overyander> from my client, i ran "SELECT
user,authentication_string,plugin,host FROM mysql.user;" and i
can see that the plugin was changed to
'mysql_native_password'
1605 [22:06:01] <ryouma> !ops
1606 [22:06:02] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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1609 [22:07:00] <aims> rk4: everyone's entitled to their
opinions, but that response is neither conducive to discourse, nor
helpful. Doesn't quite fit rule 1 (be respectful)
1610 [22:07:08] <jelly> aims, keep the traffic in here for tech
support please
1611 [22:07:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
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1613 [22:08:58] <aims> Is opping-up meant to intimidate? It seems
entirely unnecessary (but then, so does invoking ops when there
wasn't a guideline or rule violation -- I wasn't aware you
could invoke ops to push your personal opinions, I'll try to
remember that in future.)
1614 [22:09:21] <ratrace> oh the hypo crisy!
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1616 [22:09:39] <aims> ratrace: I shared a link, I offered no
opinion.
1617 [22:09:39] <jelly> aims, it's meant to show I'm an
op, and I'm telling you to keep it to tech support topics
please
1618 [22:09:59] <jelly> nothing more, nothing less
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1620 [22:10:08] <aims> I'm aware you're an op, flexing
your muscles proves nothing other than a seeming attempt to
intimidate.
1621 [22:10:32] * aims shrugs
1622 [22:10:33] <ratrace> > imposes politics on a tech channel
> gets upset when imposition countered with an @ lolololol.
/offtopic
1623 [22:10:36] <jelly> moving on
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1625 [22:10:49] <aims> ratrace: imposed nothing, Karen
1626 [22:10:57] <jelly> further meta will result in kicks or mutes
1627 [22:11:06] <jelly> you get one warning
1628 [22:11:19] <aims> Does that go just for me, or for the people
chatting shit to me as well? Just curious.
1629 [22:11:32] <jelly> everyone
1630 [22:11:42] <aims> Appreciate the clarification.
1631 [22:12:00] <abrotman> I just like the bagel attached to jelly
...
1632 [22:12:21] <jelly> it's the only kind of bagel I can get
my grubby hands on
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1642 [22:20:06] <jelly> aims, when a channel is dead air like
right now, it's okay to go with something offtopic. Less so
when there's support going on.
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1646 [22:22:16] <rk4> this is a little different than offtopic,
this is part of a culture war
1647 [22:23:31] <jelly> I don't care what _kind_ of
non-support offtopic it is
1648 [22:24:00] <jelly> we have #debian-offtopic for all sorts of
non-support stuff
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1650 [22:26:12] <jem> ratrace and jmcnaught, I just want to say
thanks, firmware-iwlwifi worked perfectly, and then I was in a hurry
1651 [22:27:03] <Anarchy7> When I type sudo export
LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8, I get command not found.. how can I install
export?
1652 [22:27:48] <rk4> export is typically a shell builtin in bash
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1654 [22:28:01] <rk4> what are you trying to do Anarchy7
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1657 [22:28:36] <Anarchy7> IM trying to fix perl locale failed
from
replaced-url
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1659 [22:29:44] <jelly> Anarchy7, if that's happening during
the release upgrade process, it'll get fixed on its own when
all the parts if the new glibc are installed
1660 [22:30:29] <jelly> Anarchy7, if it somewhere else, which
command is it and can you pastebin the complete command and the full
output?
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1663 [22:31:52] <Anarchy7> indeed I get this error while upgrading
the dist
1664 [22:32:06] <jelly> it's not a fatal error there at all
1665 [22:32:12] <jelly> it's just annoying
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1668 [22:33:37] <jelly> it could have been avoided by either
upgrading libc6 and locales and friends first, or by setting a
locale override (eg. export LC_ALL=C _before_ starting it)
1669 [22:34:03] <Anarchy7> any recommendation for following errors
:
replaced-url
1670 [22:34:06] <Anarchy7> mailman etc.
1671 [22:34:14] <Anarchy7> happened after upgrade command
1672 [22:34:23] <jelly> that's not the complete output
1673 [22:34:41] <jelly> have you run the whole thing inside
script, like the release notes say?
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1679 [22:36:42] <jelly> Anarchy7, if you don't have the whole
output, try to at least collect the whole output when you run:
"dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install",
to try fix dpkg and apt state after those errors during
installation/upgrade.
1680 [22:36:53] <Anarchy7>
replaced-url
1681 [22:36:54] <Anarchy7> I have this
1682 [22:37:22] <jelly> huh
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1684 [22:37:31] <jelly> your LANG value is incorrect
1685 [22:37:49] <Anarchy7> thats why I wanted to fix locale thing
with export
1686 [22:37:59] <jelly> Anarchy7, show the output of
"locale"
1687 [22:38:15] <yareckonirc> hi guys, I have a lenovo yoga 12
that had wifi under the debian live installer, but doesn't
under either buster or bullseye installed
1688 [22:38:37] <Anarchy7>
replaced-url
1689 [22:38:40] <yareckonirc> seems like a firmware issue, but I
don't see differences in lsmod or the dmesg output
1690 [22:38:46] <abrotman> dpkg: tell yareckonirc about firmware
images
1691 [22:38:58] <jmcnaught> overyander: did you disable the
unix_socket authentication in order to use passwords for non-root
users?
1692 [22:39:22] <yareckonirc> unfortunately, I believe I have the
correct non-free packages installed
1693 [22:39:40] <jelly> Anarchy7, well that's weird, both
LANG and LANGUAGE values look broken. Try this: export LANG=C.UTF-8;
unset LANGUAGE
1694 [22:39:59] <yareckonirc> help checking on what firmware the
hardware needs or kernel modules etc is what I am here for
1695 [22:40:02] <overyander> jmcnaught, no, i switched from
unix_socket to mysql_native_password.
1696 [22:40:04] <jelly> Anarchy7, and then "dpkg --configure
-a" again
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1698 [22:40:27] <Anarchy7> this time no error but also no output
or any info msg
1699 [22:40:34] <jelly> good
1700 [22:40:35] <yareckonirc> where can I look to see what
firmware my system things it could be loading
1701 [22:40:56] <sney> yareckonirc: there's a tool called
isenkram that can look at your devices and tell you
1702 [22:40:59] <yareckonirc> this is an intel wifi card btw, I am
unused to having to work to hard with them
1703 [22:41:08] <yareckonirc> sney, I will take a look
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1705 [22:41:21] <overyander> jmcnaught, i'm not understanding
how with the password plugin i can log in via ssh using my client
but i can't when i ssh in to the system.
1706 [22:41:38] <jelly> Anarchy7, now rerun "apt -f
install" and try the upgrade commands again to see if
there's something that hasn't been upgraded
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1708 [22:43:48] <Anarchy7> @jelly 2 errors after configure
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1709 [22:44:02] <Anarchy7> shall I proceed with -f install?
1710 [22:45:33] <abrotman> yareckonirc: lspci -nn will give the
PCIID, which can help us .. or maybe look in /var/log/messages
1711 [22:45:37] <jmcnaught> overyander: I meant did you switch
from unix_socket to mysql_native_password because you wanted to give
normal users passwords? Because that would be unnecessary.
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1713 [22:45:56] <yareckonirc> ok abrotman, will do
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1718 [22:49:35] <overyander> jmcnaught, i switched because i need
a local application that unfortunately runs as root to have access
to the local db and I need to be able to access the same db using
the same user using my client remotely (datagrip). i am not exposing
the db server port, all connections are local
1719 [22:49:43] <jelly> Anarchy7, which kernel is running right
now?
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1721 [22:51:23] <Anarchy7> 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64
1722 [22:51:25] <overyander> jmcnaught, i create a user
'someuser' and specified a password during creation. i did
not specify a plugin. i can log in using this new user in datagrip
over ssh but i can't log in with 'mysql -u someuser
-p'
1723 [22:51:50] <jelly> Anarchy7, wow, that's REALLY old
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1725 [22:52:03] <jelly> no wonder iptables-nft does not work
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1727 [22:52:30] <jelly> Anarchy7, try to "update-alternatives
--config iptables", and switch back to legacy
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1729 [22:52:47] <yareckonirc> abrotman, here is the lspci out
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1730 [22:52:55] <Anarchy7> can I update kernel`?
1731 [22:52:58] <yareckonirc> woops
1732 [22:53:09] <overyander> jmcnaught, i appreciate the help but
i have to dc and head home. i'll be back on in a bit.
1733 [22:53:09] <yareckonirc> not a bad woops, I just ran -vvv
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1736 [22:53:38] <jelly> Anarchy7, yes, if you have bare metal or
full virtualization you can. But best fix dpkg and apt state before
reboot or doing anything else
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1738 [22:54:00] <abrotman> yareckonirc: also, don't use
pastebin.com
1739 [22:54:05] <abrotman> yareckonirc: we need -n
1740 [22:54:15] <abrotman> dpkg: paste
1741 [22:54:16] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
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1744 [22:54:49] <yareckonirc> roger on both
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1746 [22:56:08] <Anarchy7> after switching to legacy
update/upgrade didnt give error
1747 [22:56:33] <jelly> Anarchy7, did "dpkg --configure
-a" and "apt -f install" finish without errors?
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1749 [22:56:48] <yareckonirc> abrotman,
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1750 [22:58:12] <Anarchy7> both commands were run without error
this time
1751 [22:58:16] <jelly> good
1752 [22:58:39] <yareckonirc> What I get in gnome is just an empty
network list, or the message that no wifi hardware is found
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1754 [22:58:47] <Anarchy7> does this mean my dpkg and apt is fine?
1755 [22:59:12] <yareckonirc> lsmod and lspic both agree though:
Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
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1757 [22:59:34] <jelly> Anarchy7, yes. Now let's see whether
you're likely to be able to boot a distro kernel, to figure out
what kind of virtualization is going on, you can install
"imvirt" and run the same command. What does it say?
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1759 [23:01:03] <Anarchy7> with the same command you mean dpkg --
configure -a and the -f install?
1760 [23:01:20] <jelly> I mean install imvirt and run imvirt,
sorry
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1762 [23:02:20] <jelly> you got dpkg and apt into consistent state
and they don't complain any more, that's what "dpkg
--configure -a" and "apt -f install" were for
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1764 [23:02:58] <Anarchy7> output : Physical
1765 [23:03:26] <abrotman> yareckonirc: and you're working
with buster or bullseye?
1766 [23:03:55] <jelly> Anarchy7, I guess you can go install
linux-image-amd64 and try to reboot, then
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1768 [23:04:35] <Anarchy7> apt-get install
linux-image-amd64?
1769 [23:05:26] <yareckonirc> It worked with the buster live
install image + nonfree on a usb stick, but failed to work once
installed. I thought that maybe it was the installer newer than base
debian, so upgraded to bullseye to get a newer kernel, still no luck
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1771 [23:05:37] <yareckonirc> it's a new machine, so am
willing to try most things
1772 [23:05:50] <abrotman> yareckonirc: should be
"iwlwifi", so you'll need iwlwifi-firmware
1773 [23:06:03] <abrotman> erm, firmware-iwlwifi
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1775 [23:06:15] <yareckonirc> yes, but that is there
1776 [23:06:17] <abrotman> but you can "modinfo iwlwifi |
grep 095B" to see if it should be supported
1777 [23:06:19] <yareckonirc> lemme check once more
1778 [23:06:51] <abrotman> If not, you can try to grab the
backports kernel, plus the firmware-iwlwifi
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1780 [23:07:25] <yareckonirc> well I ge t a list of pci ids, back
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1782 [23:08:12] <yareckonirc> hmmm, it will suck to get buster
installed with a backports kernel, then bullseye breaks it in a
couple months
1783 [23:08:17] <yareckonirc> but will try it
1784 [23:08:48] <abrotman> you can go to bullseye now .. it's
frozen, so should be relatively reasonable (though no security
support)
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1786 [23:09:49] <yareckonirc> yes, but bullseye doesn't work
with muh wifi :)
1787 [23:10:04] <yareckonirc> that WAS my plan
1788 [23:11:02] <yareckonirc> this is some weird thing I'm
gonna figure out a couple weeks into using one of those tiny wifi
dongle things in the meantime no doubt
1789 [23:11:14] <jelly> Anarchy7, yes
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1791 [23:11:58] <Anarchy7> thanks , would sudo apt full-upgrade
also upgrade kernel?
1792 [23:12:08] <jelly> Anarchy7, only if that package is already
installed
1793 [23:12:23] <abrotman> yareckonirc: did you install the
firmware and reboot ?
1794 [23:12:53] <yareckonirc> yeah
1795 [23:13:01] <Anarchy7> ok Im completing my buster upgrade now
and will check after reboot the kernel version again
1796 [23:13:03] <yareckonirc>
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1797 [23:13:40] <jelly> Anarchy7, which cpu is there? You might
also want to install microcode for it, but you need non-free repo
section enabled to be able to install packages for amd or intel cpus
1798 [23:13:42] <yareckonirc> # modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe
iwlwifi just says Fatal module iwlwifi is in use
1799 [23:13:49] <yareckonirc> but I have rebooted
1800 [23:14:11] <jelly> Anarchy7, do you have console access, in
case reboot fails?
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1802 [23:15:11] <yareckonirc> oh, how to you see the green
scrollies from the boot process again... what log is that?
1803 [23:15:24] <abrotman> yareckonirc: are you sure it's not
working ?
1804 [23:15:29] <yareckonirc> there is one red scrolly in there,
probably nothing, but I want to check
1805 [23:15:36] <abrotman> yareckonirc: dmesg | grep iwlwifi
1806 [23:16:32] <Anarchy7> @jelly if you mean the machine is
physically near me : No, I will have to ask my host...
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1810 [23:18:14] <jelly> Anarchy7, some servers have remote access
to console and power and reset buttons. If you're not that
lucky, tread carefully
1811 [23:18:26] <yareckonirc> abrotman,
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1812 [23:19:04] <yareckonirc> the reason I say it is not working
is that it doesn't show a list of networks, and the gnome wifi
panel says no adapter found
1813 [23:19:18] <yareckonirc> both of these things were different
in the live usb stick prior to install
1814 [23:19:46] <yareckonirc> the failed to load yoyo.bin is a
known harmless issue on these cards
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1816 [23:19:59] <yareckonirc> unfortunately not a smoking gun
1817 [23:20:30] <abrotman> seems like it's working ..
1818 [23:20:41] <abrotman> how did you determine it's not
showing networks?
1819 [23:20:46] <Anarchy7> it is a kimsufi from OVH, I actually
dont remember using such feature, need to check it.
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1822 [23:21:14] <jelly> well at least it's not burned down
1823 [23:21:18] * jelly hides
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1825 [23:21:54] <abrotman> yareckonirc: iwlist wlp4s0 scanning
1826 [23:22:08] <jhutchins> ,kernels
1827 [23:22:09] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-5-686
(5.10.24-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-4-686 (5.10.19-1); buster-backports:
5.10.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.10.13-1~bpo10+1); buster:
4.19.0-14-686-pae (4.19.171-2); stretch-backports:
4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch:
4.19.0-0.bpo.14-686 (4.19.171-2~deb9u1); jessie-
1828 [23:22:10] <judd> backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686
(4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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1830 [23:22:49] <Anarchy7> here is my CPU
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1831 [23:23:08] <yareckonirc> abrotman: interface doesn't
supprt scanning : Network is down
1832 [23:23:44] <yareckonirc> Computer, raise shields, uh network
1833 [23:23:45] <jhutchins> Did we explore dmesg for firmware
issues?
1834 [23:23:46] <abrotman> do you have a switch for toggling the
device?
1835 [23:23:59] <abrotman> I mean, if you want to try backports
kernel/firmware, don't let us stop you :)
1836 [23:24:00] <yareckonirc> I have a keyboard switch
1837 [23:24:20] <abrotman> try toggling it maybe?
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1840 [23:25:26] <jelly> magic / more magic
1841 [23:25:29] <CrystalMath> LONG LIVE RICHARD STALLMAN!
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1843 [23:25:46] <jelly> what is it with idiots today
1844 [23:25:50] <yareckonirc> i get a usb disconnect device 3 when
toggling off, and a lot of stuff about my bluetooth adapter being
found when toggling on
1845 [23:26:01] <yareckonirc> they don't make idiots like
they used to
1846 [23:26:13] <jelly> true
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1850 [23:27:08] <abff> rofl
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1853 [23:30:15] <yareckonirc> abroman, maybe there is some bios /
hardware mess on this device that is blocking the built in wifi, but
it didn't block it from the installer stick
1854 [23:30:28] <yareckonirc> also I just tried a usb wifi dongle
and it works great
1855 [23:30:37] <yareckonirc> so I am officially flumoxed
1856 [23:31:40] <yareckonirc> will try to fool around in the bios,
but feels like maybe an intel iwlbug in combination with a rf switch
somehow?
1857 [23:31:52] <yareckonirc> i dunno
1858 [23:31:53] <abrotman> yareckonirc: do the backports ..
1859 [23:31:58] <abrotman> dpkg: tell yareckonirc about buster
backports
1860 [23:32:15] <yareckonirc> alright, I am on a mission to do
that then
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1862 [23:32:24] <abrotman> or go to bullseye
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1864 [23:32:34] <yareckonirc> dude, am on bullseye
1865 [23:32:52] <abrotman> Buster or Bullseye?
1866 [23:32:56] <yareckonirc> didn'T work on buster or
bullseye one installed
1867 [23:32:59] <abrotman> uname -r
1868 [23:33:39] <yareckonirc> 5.10.0-4-amd64
1869 [23:33:47] <abrotman> then backports won't help
1870 [23:34:40] <Anarchy7> @jelly upgrade to buster successfully
completed also reboot worked:) but kernel version is the same
so shall I run now apt-get install linux-image-amd64 ?
1871 [23:34:40] <jelly> wonder if that live image has a slightly
older kernel
1872 [23:34:50] <jelly> Anarchy7, yes
1873 [23:35:28] <yareckonirc> maybe it did't will find out
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1880 [23:36:34] <jelly> Anarchy7, and also install the appropriate
microcode package, either amd64-microcode or intel-microcode
1881 [23:36:56] <jelly> that thing plugs into initramfs
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1888 [23:39:33] <jelly> you'll need
1889 [23:39:39] <jelly> !non-free sources
1890 [23:39:39] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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1903 [23:47:27] <Anarchy7> I installed linux-image-amg64 but the
uname -r result is still the same : 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64
1904 [23:47:55] <sney> reboot for kernel changes
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1906 [23:48:06] <Anarchy7> I did reboot
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1908 [23:48:48] <abrotman> VPS?
1909 [23:48:50] <jelly> then you'll also need to figure out
which boot loader is active and probably replace it
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1911 [23:49:07] <jelly> imvirt said it was a physical machine
1912 [23:49:12] <sney> that kernel version is odd, maybe something
is overriding standard update-grub behavior. or one of those
suggestions ^
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1914 [23:49:46] <Anarchy7> how can I see the boot loader?
1915 [23:50:02] <nicoz> debian_dsa: DSA-4874 firefox-esr
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1917 [23:50:10] <jelly> Anarchy7, look at the console monitor
while the system is booting :-)
1918 [23:50:21] <Anarchy7> haha cant :P
1919 [23:50:23] <jelly> Anarchy7, failing that, care to pastebin
"lsblk" and "ls -la /boot" and "dpkg -l
grub\*|grep ^.i"
1920 [23:50:46] <nicoz> vulnerability
1921 [23:50:54] <nicoz> on firefox esr :|
1922 [23:50:57] <nicoz> hi all
1923 [23:51:47] <Anarchy7> lsblk
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1924 [23:51:52] <sney> nicoz: yes, the fix was pushed to
buster-security 4 hours ago. you may want to subscribe to
debian-security-announce
1925 [23:51:59] <nicoz>
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1926 [23:52:03] <nicoz> yes
1927 [23:52:18] <nicoz> vulenDate Reported:
1928 [23:52:18] <nicoz> 24 Mar 2021
1929 [23:52:32] <yareckonirc> taking a look over here abrotman,
replaced-url
1930 [23:52:49] <sney> nicoz: ok, so it's been fixed in
debian, do you need something else or are you just making sure we
know?
1931 [23:52:51] <yareckonirc> A node is marked as DISABLED if the
node has been disabled by a configuration, some hardware failure,
etc.
1932 [23:52:51] <yareckonirc> Use dmesg to dump message relative
to disabled device to find out what's going on.
1933 [23:52:51] <abrotman> well, that's a WTF ..
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1935 [23:53:08] <yareckonirc> weird as hell
1936 [23:53:17] <yareckonirc> well the search continues, thanks
for the help
1937 [23:53:18] <Anarchy7> ls -la /boot :
replaced-url
1938 [23:53:24] <abrotman> maybe there is a trigger in the bios
1939 [23:53:37] *** Quits: niv (~niv@replaced-ip ) (Client Quit)
1940 [23:53:50] <yareckonirc> you'd think rfkill would know
about that then
1941 [23:53:59] <Anarchy7> grub :
replaced-url
1942 [23:54:16] <yareckonirc> anyway gonna reboot back to the
install stick and poke around to see if anthing is diffrent
1943 [23:54:18] <nicoz> sney the vulnerability was published a
while ago and I wanted to share it with you
1944 [23:54:51] *** Joins: BrianG61UK_ (~BrianG61U@replaced-ip )
1945 [23:55:01] <sney> ok. thank you for your attention.
1946 [23:55:07] <nicoz> ;)
1947 [23:55:42] <jelly> Anarchy7, well that's weird. is there
a file named /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
1948 [23:56:32] *** Quits: Haudegen (~quassel@replaced-ip ) (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
1949 [23:57:19] <Anarchy7> @jelly yes the grub.cfg exists
1950 [23:58:18] *** Quits: isapgswell (bb6962f5@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Connection closed)
1951 [23:58:23] <jelly> Anarchy7, ok, perhaps there's a
grub-legacy installed in the boot sector and still working, and
that's how the machine boots right now
1952 [23:58:50] *** Quits: kisser (null@replaced-ip ) (Quit: *)
1953 [23:59:25] <jelly> Anarchy7, two ways forward: you can either
put grub-pc onto the disk, replacing the current boot loader and
maybe breaking the boot process, or you can install grub-legacy and
uninstall grub-pc* and grub-efi* stuff
1954 [23:59:41] <jelly> if I had console access I'd go with
grub-pc
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