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60[00:37:42] <oxek> I am following this guide to create an encrypted system with a keyfile stored on a usb stick replaced-url
61[00:38:00] <oxek> everything works except for a systemd issue
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63[00:38:16] <oxek> "A start job is running for dev-sda8:-keyfile.device (1min 18s...)"
64[00:38:34] <oxek> it appears after the keyfile correctly unlocks the encrypted container
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66[00:38:59] <oxek> after the 90s systemd errors out and boot continues just fine, everything is correctly unlocked
67[00:39:10] <oxek> how do I get rid of this systemd issue that is making my boot 90s slower?
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72[00:40:16] <oxek> the answer at replaced-url
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74[00:42:00] <plantroon> after hours of trying, I conclude that it is impossible to preseed lvm on luks on mdraid :( any recommendation on better deployment tool that can handle such partitioning?
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100[00:56:07] <oxek> this bug from a few years ago might be relevant replaced-url
101[00:56:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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106[00:58:38] <SerajewelKS> are there any pitfalls with having / on an mdadm raid1 where one disk is attached with SATA and the other iSCSI?
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109[01:00:05] <SerajewelKS> I suspect that the iSCSI disk will be inaccessible until after the initrd pivots, meaning the mirror would be degraded for a bit during boot
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114[01:02:34] <SerajewelKS> if true then the system probably could not boot if the sata disk dies?
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117[01:04:34] <SerajewelKS> note there would be a local /boot
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128[01:12:11] <SerajewelKS> hmm looks like this is supported
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130[01:12:45] <RoyK> SerajewelKS: should work
131[01:16:31] <n0a110w> what are some alternatives to `dialog` [if any] for receiving user input in the shell? (looking to see if anything else exists other than `read` or `dialog`)
132[01:16:54] <n0a110w> for use in scripts
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134[01:17:10] <oxek> I worked around my issue by `systemctl mask systemd-cryptsetup\@sda5_crypt.service`
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137[01:17:57] <oxek> anyone know if that can cause any trouble?
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140[01:20:55] <dabc> haha, since systemd came around everyone is looking for a way to avoid/bypass/not use it
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143[01:22:47] <oxek> dabc: systemd has good parts until you run into something that systemd took over and has not implemented in full (yet), such as full cryptsetup support
144[01:23:46] <SerajewelKS> okay so second iscsi-during-boot question. i have two nics and use one for iscsi and one for internet access. i already have an ip= parameter for unlocking luks volumes with dropbear.
145[01:24:02] <SerajewelKS> can i somehow configure both interfaces during boot?
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148[01:26:16] <SerajewelKS> i haven't found any docs for multiple ips at boot time
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182[01:51:00] <annadane> i understand if people don't know the answer but does a firefox downloaded from upstream also need pulseaudio for sound?
183[01:51:05] <annadane> or just esr from the repos
184[01:51:16] <annadane> i think you can use apulse? i'm not sure
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187[01:52:26] <annadane> what i should do is search first...
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191[01:53:31] <annadane> well esr for stable and i think sid's firefox also needs pulse or apulse
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196[02:00:33] <annadane> anyway ignore me, not really a debian question
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207[02:07:25] <oiaohm> annadane: upstream firefox is built needing pulseaudio something. That something could be apulse.
208[02:08:49] <annadane> i'm slightly annoyed pulseaudio is still a bit buggy in buster
209[02:08:54] <annadane> not as bad as stretch
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230[02:26:45] <losgb1> Hi, I'm on Debian Buster 10.1 with an Xfce desktop. I switched themes and icons to Vertex-Maia from Manjaro but there's an issue with the power manager systray icon, it stays black and doesn't gradually change as the power gets lower. Any idea on how to fix this ?
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234[02:29:23] <thedog3catch3r> Anyone know how to read /var/crash .crash files? Don't say apport because that package doesn't seem to exist anymore.
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330[03:44:39] <quarkimaduck> I recently switched from debian stable to testing. Since then, I've been getting updates daily. Is that normal?
331[03:44:59] <SerajewelKS> (re-asking) is there a way to configure multiple network interfaces in the initramfs, where one is used for dropbear and the other is used for iscsi?
332[03:45:09] <SerajewelKS> quarkimaduck: yes
333[03:45:28] <quarkimaduck> Ok, cool. I thought it was weird. Almost arch-level number of updates
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335[03:46:15] <SerajewelKS> if testing does not get updates that means nobody is working on the next release of debian
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337[03:46:46] <abrotman> quarkimaduck: the volume will change depending on your software installed and the transitions under way
338[03:47:14] <abrotman> But you'll get them nearly daily
339[03:48:12] <quarkimaduck> Ok, that makes a lot more sense. It's just a shocking difference. Thanks SerajewlKS and abrotman!
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341[03:49:31] <abrotman> quarkimaduck: and yes, things may break, so pay attention
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344[03:52:13] <quarkimaduck> abrotman: Yeah, I will keep that in mind. Thanks!
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348[03:58:05] <nezZario> Has anyone ever used systemd's log dumping?
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360[04:08:30] <loupe> where are the HOW-TO files located?
361[04:09:56] <sponix> most apps have documentation in like /usr/share/docs .. man pages are normally installed also "man ssh" for example
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363[04:10:12] <sponix> replaced-url
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368[04:12:03] <loupe> wasn't there a directory such as /usr/share/doc/HOW-TO ? It is not there now
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371[04:15:22] <SerajewelKS> loupe: not to my knowledge. many packages have howto's in a subdirectory, though
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374[04:17:23] <loupe> ok. thanks
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379[04:24:41] <warsoul> how can i see the users i have on my vps?
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384[04:29:26] <nb-ben> warsoul: cat /etc/passwd
385[04:30:20] <warsoul> users are the ones that starts /home/***
386[04:31:13] <nb-ben> warsoul: all of them are users
387[04:31:47] <nb-ben> warsoul: some of them might not have a login shell, and are used by programs. but these are users.
388[04:32:26] <warsoul> ok
389[04:32:33] <warsoul> can i see the passworld?
390[04:32:38] <warsoul> of other users
391[04:32:40] <warsoul> if im the root
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394[04:33:26] <nb-ben> warsoul: no, it's hashed
395[04:33:33] <warsoul> ok
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399[04:35:15] <SerajewelKS> root can _obtain_ your password if you enter it at some point, though
400[04:35:32] <SerajewelKS> assuming a malicious actor, they could replace parts of pam for example
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407[04:40:32] <nb-ben> yes, in this case of compromise they can do a lot of things
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456[05:35:27] <Urk> Is there an easy way to move the menu bar from the top to the bottom? And place the bottom menu bar directly on top of the other menu bar? I have done this many times before, but for some reason the memory is waning. I recall using the right mouse button and the move tool, but nothing is moving.
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458[05:36:15] <sponix> Urk: xfce, gnome, mate ?
459[05:36:20] <Urk> xfce
460[05:36:43] <sponix> wait one, spinning up a VM
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464[05:38:16] <sponix> Urk: you want to right click on open space in the panel.. Then select "panel", and then "panel properties"
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468[05:38:29] <sponix> Urk: in there are the settings you can play with, top/bottom/sideways etc
469[05:38:51] <Urk> sponix> For some reason it isn't jumping out at me.
470[05:39:01] <sponix> the "move" method you are thinking of is a different DE, like Mate or Cinnamon or something
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472[05:39:30] <diogenes_> sponix, you can unlock the panel and drag it from a corner, you can increase the row size and have 2 rows of icmns.
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476[05:39:54] <diogenes_> Urk, *
477[05:40:14] <sponix> Urk: replaced-url
478[05:40:26] <sponix> diogenes_: hmm, likely -- but my method works also :)
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483[05:45:39] <Gigglebyte> Well I see how to add buttons, icons, and adjust the size of the menu bar, but not how to move it to the bottom of the screen.
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486[05:45:58] <Gigglebyte> I am such a basket case that I accidentally closed my Hexchat session.
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490[05:50:58] <Urk> sponix> I see how to create a new menu bar, but not how to move the existing menu bar from the top. Moving the existing menu bar might save me some time.
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494[05:57:39] <Urk> so that I don't have to move all my icons out of the top menu bar.
495[05:57:49] <Urk> I only see the option of adding additional menu bars.
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503[06:01:05] <Urk> ok. I unlocked the panel. Now the issue is how to move the bottom panel up. I want to put the bottom panel directly on top.
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510[06:03:55] <diogenes_> Urk, drag it up from a corner.
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515[06:05:47] <inna> hey
516[06:05:49] <inna> E: Package 'mysql-server' has no installation candidate
517[06:05:51] <inna> dafuq?
518[06:05:56] <Urk> diogenes_> dragging from the corner appears to apply to the top menu bar, but I see no place to grab the bottom menu bar so that I can move it up.
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521[06:06:04] <inna> inb4 use maria
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523[06:06:55] <Urk> never mind. I found out how to do it.
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525[06:07:04] <diogenes_> Urk, did you unlock it too?
526[06:07:12] <diogenes_> ok
527[06:07:16] <inna> does that mean mysql isn't included in the current release of debian?
528[06:07:16] <Urk> diogenes_>yes
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532[06:10:44] <sponix> inna: mariadb has replaced it most likely. it functions the same (is a fork)
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566[06:34:13] <inna> sponix: ta
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632[07:30:19] <kingsley> Can you please explain to me why
633[07:30:30] <kingsley> replaced-url
634[07:30:50] <kingsley> says the stable distribution has a package named "wcalc", but
635[07:32:04] <kingsley> neither
636[07:32:15] <kingsley> replaced-url
637[07:32:16] <kingsley> or
638[07:32:27] <kingsley> replaced-url
639[07:33:15] <kingsley> show it migrating to stable for at least the last 13 years and
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641[07:33:41] <kingsley> it's not in the AMD64 version of stable?
642[07:34:38] <diogenes_> ,v wcalc
643[07:34:39] <judd> Package: wcalc on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.1-1; stretch: 2.5-2+b2; buster: 2.5-3; bullseye: 2.5-3+b1; sid: 2.5-3+b1
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654[07:45:48] <themill> kingsley: packages never migrate to stable
655[07:46:09] <kingsley> themill: Oh
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660[07:51:18] <kingsley> If you happen to have access to version 10.1.0 of stable on AMD64, and if it would be convenient, comfortable, and all those good things, maybe you could let me know if it has access to a package named "wcalc". If it doesn't, maybe one of us should report a bug.
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663[07:53:14] <themill> wcalc is in stable
664[07:53:29] <sponix> kingsley: umm, I got an install from 10 that is up to date inside a VM. I can verify there
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666[07:54:12] <kingsley> themill: Why do you say wcalc is in stable?
667[07:54:14] <sponix> yeah, my Debian 10 install has wcalc in the default repos
668[07:54:18] <ayew> same
669[07:54:23] <themill> because it is?
670[07:54:35] <jelly> kingsley: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy wcalc"
671[07:54:39] <themill> What's the actual problem you're trying to solve?
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673[07:55:01] <ayew> 2.5-3 900
674[07:55:03] <ayew> 900 replaced-url
675[07:55:05] <ayew> 2.5-3 900
676[07:55:07] <kingsley> sponix and ayew: OK. Thank you very much for checking.
677[07:55:07] <ayew> 900 replaced-url
678[07:55:09] <ayew> 2.5-3 900
679[07:55:11] <ayew> 900 replaced-url
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681[07:55:13] <ayew> 2.5-3 900
682[07:55:15] <themill> ayew: don't do that
683[07:55:15] <ayew> 900 replaced-url
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685[07:55:28] <sponix> lol
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688[07:59:36] <kingsley> jelly: "apt-cache policy wcalc" returns "N: Unable to locate package wcalc"
689[07:59:48] <themill> kingsley: the full output in a pastebin, please
690[08:00:57] <annadane> !tell kingsley about paste
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692[08:01:14] <annadane> uhhh.
693[08:01:19] <annadane> !tell ayew about paste
694[08:01:24] <annadane> sorry, kingsley
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704[08:12:30] <kingsley> jelly & themill: The output of "apt-cache policy" is at replaced-url
705[08:13:03] <themill> is there any reason not to have an http mirror?
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710[08:18:28] <kingsley> themill: You asked a polite and reasonable question. Yes. The computer that can't find wcalc isn't connected to the internet.
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715[08:21:57] <kingsley> At the risk of appearing rude, /me needs to go in a few minutes.
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717[08:24:49] <themill> kingsley: did you construct those sources.list entries yourself or did you use apt-cdrom?
718[08:25:02] <themill> (I've seen lots of bugs about apt-cdrom stuff just recently. I have no idea how well it is tested or whether it's working. You might need to remove and readd the sources.)
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720[08:26:01] <kingsley> themill: Congratulations on posing such an insightful question.
721[08:26:06] <themill> If you can give it access to a mirror via a proxy then it can have mirror access without internet access (or whatever it is you are trying to achieve)
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723[08:26:44] <kingsley> themill: I did use apt-cdrom.
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726[08:26:59] <kingsley> themill: But, to be fair,
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729[08:27:19] <kingsley> 1.) I encountered a bug with upgrading from stable to testing and
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732[08:28:22] <kingsley> 2.) I'm not certain the particular version of /etc/apt/sources.list that fails to find wcalc wasn't edited, at least in part, by hand.
733[08:28:54] <corro69> hello all
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736[08:29:03] <soda> hello
737[08:29:04] <jelly> debian-10.1.0-amd64-DVD-6.list.gz:wcalc_2.5-3_amd64.deb
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739[08:30:11] <jelly> kingsley: the package seems to be present on DVD 6, and you'd need to construct that, using jigdo
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743[08:30:57] <themill> oh, I didn't actually check that it was on a DVD that far down the list...
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745[08:31:39] <kingsley> jelly: Wow! Nice work! Thank you very much!
746[08:31:43] <kingsley> Jelly!
747[08:31:45] <kingsley> Jelly!
748[08:31:48] <kingsley> Brave!
749[08:31:51] <kingsley> Courageous!
750[08:31:54] <kingsley> And bold!
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752[08:32:05] <kingsley> Long live Jelly's fame!
753[08:32:10] <kingsley> Long live Jelly's glory!
754[08:32:11] <jelly> !enter
755[08:32:12] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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757[08:32:21] <kingsley> And long may Jelly's story be told!
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759[08:34:02] * kingsley bows before his jigdo-ing, enter-key-less overload!
760[08:34:06] <themill> I have some code somewhere for Judd to do that cd contents search... I should make that a thing
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762[08:35:32] <jelly> system("zgrep -l ^foo_ list-dvd/*.list.gz") ? :-)
763[08:36:35] <themill> I was planning to be slightly more sophisticated than that
764[08:37:18] <jelly> making Piccy use modules.alias instead of old modules.pcimap format would probably be more exercised
765[08:37:37] <themill> aye
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767[08:40:44] <loupe> SPONIX> what VM software do you use with Debian?
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770[08:41:58] <loupe> ...or is there a good open source VM?
771[08:42:25] <Haohmaru> i just.. install debian fo' realz
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775[08:43:40] <loupe> I have Debian 10 installed on the main computer I use... but I would also like to install a VM so I can use other OS'es like Windows and other linux's
776[08:44:53] <themill> kvm with something like virt-manager is a common enough choice
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779[08:46:00] <kingsley> jelly: How did you find out the wcalc package is in the 6th DVD?
780[08:46:34] <themill> kingsley: replaced-url
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784[08:47:33] <jelly> kingsley: downloaded all of replaced-url
785[08:48:05] <kingsley> themill & jelly: Thank you.
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800[09:04:04] <loupe> -FYI- For posting images of screenshots or whatever else you want to share with people in here.. I like to use replaced-url
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803[09:07:00] <loupe> ...but best of all.. when you upload your image(s) you can tell it to not resize your image(s) and then people can view or download the exact image that you uploaded
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876[09:44:46] <InfraRed-> Hi All, I am trying to find out: How can I run X programs remotly, I want to be able to keep running them after disconnecting and be able to recover the programs after reocnnecting. VNC isn't an option
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903[09:58:03] <loupe> InfraRed-> Curious.. why can't you run VNC?
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924[10:14:34] <n_1-c_k> InfraRed, try xpra
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942[10:27:15] <JustASlacker> morning all
943[10:27:39] <JustASlacker> anybody else has problems running a debian mirror?
944[10:28:41] <JustASlacker> Hash Sum mismatch
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949[10:32:39] <jelly> JustASlacker: that in theory should not happen if you're using ftpsync to mirror stuff
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979[11:00:32] <gidna> Hello
980[11:00:59] <gidna> I'm trying to produce an image with transparent background: pdflatex --shell-escape formula.tex && convert -resize 50% formula.png formula.png
981[11:01:19] <gidna> it has always worked with other OS.. I don't know why the background is white and not transparent..
982[11:01:29] <gidna> I think it is related to debian
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993[11:07:50] <Habbie> gidna, it might help if you share formula.tex with us
994[11:08:35] <gidna> Habbie, replaced-url
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1000[11:10:24] <boktan> replaced-url
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1002[11:11:11] <Habbie> boktan, that's an ubuntu bug
1003[11:11:37] <boktan> they are almost same or not? Habbie
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1005[11:11:41] <Habbie> no
1006[11:11:46] <Habbie> !ubuntu
1007[11:11:47] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1009[11:12:54] <boktan> everybody saying different thing :D
1010[11:12:59] <boktan> one is saying go to debian
1011[11:13:04] <boktan> another is saying debian is debian
1012[11:13:05] <ratrace> Ubuntu is not even based on Debian any more, it's just using .deb format :)
1013[11:13:08] <boktan> another is saying im bush :D
1014[11:13:19] <boktan> now ubuntu is not debian based :DS
1015[11:13:20] <ratrace> it does so many things differently I'd not call it a derivative any more
1016[11:13:27] <boktan> later another one will say ubuntu is ios based :D
1017[11:13:36] <Habbie> boktan, it doesn't matter whether ubuntu is debian based or not; it certainly is not close enough to debian
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1019[11:13:39] <ratrace> boktan: irrelevant. Ubuntu, whatever it is, is not supported here ;)
1020[11:14:04] <boktan> yeah later one will say me debian is not based on debian :D
1021[11:14:35] <Habbie> no..
1022[11:14:55] <boktan> yeah if you see what people are saying me than you will understand me :D Habbie
1023[11:15:03] <ratrace> Ubuntu increasingly defaults to snapd "packaging"; it uses its own unique network management netplan thing, it has different defaults, different systemd default services, many packages are RENAMED from Debian's, ....
1024[11:15:43] <ratrace> it's very much different from Debian from which it only sources .deb files. and not all of them, a lot of packags are unique in Ubuntu too.
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1026[11:16:26] <ratrace> they also have many channels here on Freenode with very helpful people. Start in #ubuntu.
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1028[11:17:54] <ratrace> boktan: also, very important, Ubuntu kernels are vastly different from Debian. it has "SAUCE" patches which are unique to Ubuntu and it's based on EOL'd versions no longer supported upstream. Since your question is about a kernel bug, it really has nothing to do with Debian.
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1031[11:20:17] <boktan> ratrace i dont know what kind of bug it is i just open the topic there
1032[11:20:44] <ratrace> boktan: but it's about the Ubuntu kernel?
1033[11:21:34] <boktan> yeah maybe...
1034[11:21:46] <boktan> i dont know i did not see any linux distrubtor have no problem
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1036[11:22:39] <ratrace> sorry, you did not see what?
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1040[11:24:10] <boktan> my english is bad if i type it wrong ratrace dont let me check it in the translate :D
1041[11:25:05] <ratrace> that's a bug you'll have to solve first, as this is the english speaking channel. :)
1042[11:25:33] <boktan> ratrace yes im trying :)
1043[11:26:03] <boktan> this all what i can do you like it or not i cannot go to english school to write in this chat right? :D lol
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1045[11:26:56] <ratrace> boktan: what's your native language, maybe debian has a channel for it on OFTC
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1047[11:27:09] <boktan> yes i did check it but not haves
1048[11:27:14] <boktan> im from turkey
1049[11:27:54] <ratrace> well then, if you want to communicate where english is supported only, you'll have to learn it, or try use google translate, it's supposed to be good these days.
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1052[11:29:04] <boktan> what problem i have what you are talking :D
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1054[11:29:23] <avu> !tr
1055[11:29:23] <dpkg> tr is, like, türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
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1057[11:29:39] <avu> ah, but then you're still using Ubuntu, not Debian :)
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1060[11:30:00] <boktan> thank you so much avu no problem in turkey no one will make it problem like here if the room have users
1061[11:30:11] <ratrace> yea see, I can't parse that sentence one bit.
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1063[11:30:25] <boktan> but that room is empty :D
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1065[11:30:46] <boktan> maybe no one likes the debian in turkey so much :D
1066[11:30:53] <ratrace> boktan: anyway, your problem is Ubuntu related really. There's #ubuntu, and maybe they have turkish speaking channels too.
1067[11:30:58] <humpled> there are a couple of Turkish debian users
1068[11:30:59] <annadane> what's the way to zero out a hard drive, and can i do this from the installer?
1069[11:31:13] <ratrace> annadane: with dd?
1070[11:31:20] <boktan> humpled the debian room is empty
1071[11:31:33] <ratrace> annadane: and if you want to zero it out before encryption, the installer does that by default methinks
1072[11:31:46] <avu> boktan: #ubuntu-tr
1073[11:32:01] <annadane> in stretch at least i think it gave you the option
1074[11:32:22] <annadane> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX apparently
1075[11:32:28] <boktan> thank you avu
1076[11:32:40] <ratrace> annadane: I'd add bs=1M as default is 4k methinks which is too small
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1080[11:33:07] <ratrace> annadane: there's also status=progress so you can see where it's at
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1084[11:35:06] <themill> there's a chance that within the installer your dd is busybox and doesn't support that option
1085[11:35:46] <annadane> i guess a standard shell in the installer is just rescue mode
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1087[11:37:50] <annadane> i wonder if the disc needs to be unmounted first, presumably not
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1092[11:41:53] <annadane> zeroing out also takes forever so it's practically not worth it
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1094[11:42:09] <annadane> unless you want it for encryption and want to be sure
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1098[11:44:22] <Lope> I've got an old Asus EEE 1005HA, it's a really old slow PoS. I've installed Debian Buster i386 on it. Then I did a backports upgrade, so now it's running 5.2 kernel and cryptsetup 2.1.0. It's got an Atom N270 which has no AES acceleration. Being such a slow CPU the throughput of all the algorithms with `cryptsetup benchmark` are quite low.
1099[11:44:51] <Lope> xchacha20 is supposed to be quite fast and efficient in software, so I'd love to test it. But this is not working on the laptop.
1100[11:44:53] <Lope> cryptsetup benchmark --cipher xchacha20,aes-adiantum-plain64
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1102[11:45:16] <Lope> `cat /proc/crypto | grep name` shows that xchacha20 is available.
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1104[11:46:24] <Lope> however, what is really needed, which it does not have, is adiantum(xchacha20,aes)
1105[11:46:50] <Lope> is there a way to install adiantum?
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1115[11:54:28] <Lope> looks like my backport kernel doesn't have the adiantum kernel module
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1128[12:03:12] <Lope> upgrading to bullseye, just for shits.
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1137[12:15:03] <millaus564578568> Ciao a Tutti!!!
1138[12:15:06] <millaus564578568> hi all
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1143[12:16:20] <millaus564578568> i can't change primary group for my user... i try usermod -G group user and after i try to delete old group but nothing
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1147[12:18:54] <ratrace> Lope: isn't that for Android? Adiantum I mean.
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1150[12:19:34] <u0_a175> hallo
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1154[12:22:03] <neuraload> Hello. Anyone here running Debian Buster 10.1 with ProLiant BL460c Gen9 ?
1155[12:22:25] <ratrace> !anyone
1156[12:22:25] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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1163[12:27:40] <bolt> millaus564578568: you have to log in again
1164[12:28:07] <neuraload> I am having some network related issues running debian 10.1 with ProLiant BL460c Gen9. Here is it: replaced-url
1165[12:28:07] <bolt> millaus564578568: also, what do you mean "nothing"? what are you trying? what's your expected result? what's the actual result?
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1169[12:30:06] <Lope> ratrace, try this: cryptsetup benchmark --cipher xchacha20,aes-adiantum-plain64
1170[12:30:31] <Lope> it's not specific to android. It's just well suited to cheap android devices who's SoC's don't have AES acceleration.
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1172[12:32:31] <millaus564578568> bolt: i have this error from my apache $tml,index.cgi,index.pl,index.php,index.xhtml,index.htm) found, and server-generated directory index forbidden by Options directive
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1174[12:33:10] <millaus564578568> bolt: i have this error from my apache [Tue Oct 22 12:06:25.219708 2019] [autoindex:error] [pid 6016] [client 192.168.1.16:55345] AH01276: Cannot serve directory /var/replaced-url
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1178[12:34:27] <bolt> millaus564578568: what are you expecting? a directory index?
1179[12:35:02] <millaus564578568> bolt: yes
1180[12:35:31] <bolt> millaus564578568: you need to allow that in the site configuration, then, or allow htaccess override and then allow it in .htaccess
1181[12:35:33] <millaus564578568> bolt: i try to change permission and group to replaced-url
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1183[12:35:49] <bolt> millaus564578568: it's not complaining about permissions
1184[12:36:47] <millaus564578568> bolt: where can i change site configuration ?
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1187[12:37:08] <bolt> millaus564578568: /etc/apache2/sites-available, most likely
1188[12:37:22] <bolt> millaus564578568: or elsewhere, if you've moved it or compiled it yourself or whatever
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1198[12:48:17] <gashuman> ....>>>
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1206[12:50:54] <gashuman> Batman is dead...LOL
1207[12:51:02] <gashuman>
1208[12:51:03] <gashuman>
1209[12:51:04] <gashuman>
1210[12:51:04] <gashuman>
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1214[12:51:27] <gashuman> .,.,/.,/
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1216[12:53:16] <bolt> In other news, Batman is a fictional character.
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1242[13:13:59] <s0da> how do i get apt-get to install a deb package that is on my hard drive? (sometimes, i do not have web connectivity, but DO have the desired package sitting on my drive somewhere.)
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1247[13:15:06] <s0da> (for example, sometimes i have to perform a system restore after an emergency crash. or copy files to my old pc that doesnt have nic card.)
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1251[13:16:12] <LtL> s0da: preferably apt install ./debfile -or- dpkg -i defile.deb
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1253[13:16:35] <LtL> *debfile
1254[13:17:48] <s0da> LtL: ahhhh. so is it preferable to type "apt", "apt-get", or "dpkg" for this?
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1257[13:18:34] <s0da> which is the safest/correctest command?
1258[13:18:53] <spidget> Hi, my keyboard layout in Gnome is set to UK and nearly all applications work fine. Firefox and Chromium both are using the US layout though. Anyone have any idea why?
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1260[13:19:17] <diogenes_> s0da, the package only might not be enough, make sure you got all the dependencies too and then you install them with dpkg -i package.deb.
1261[13:19:19] <LtL> s0da: apt install ./deb resolves dependencies but requires connectivity, dpkg -i deb.deb doesn't
1262[13:19:47] <LtL> apt-get may work
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1266[13:20:54] <s0da> LtL: ok. after a timeshift restore, i may or may not still have the dependencies sitting on my drive. (at least, installed into their proper directories, anyway)
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1268[13:22:13] <s0da> but if i run apt-get, it will TELL me so, correct? how about dpkg? will dpkg tell me somehting like "sorry cant install, cuz you need x, y , and z framework/library." etc.?
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1271[13:22:52] <s0da> i know dpkg cannot dl those things from the web (even if i DO have connectivity)
1272[13:22:54] <gidna> I don't understand why in debian pdflatex --shell-escape formula.tex && convert -resize 50% -transparent white formula.png formula.png produces images with white background
1273[13:22:57] <LtL> s0da: use apt, and dpkg may or may not complain
1274[13:23:22] <s0da> LtL: thank you. that is what iwas trying to find out. :)
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1276[13:23:35] <LtL> s0da: you're welcome
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1278[13:24:14] * s0da goes and tests this out real quick...
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1302[13:36:26] <jmd> What is the recommended way to set a bootloader backgound image?
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1318[13:42:01] <s0da> LtL: ok. i typed the syntax like this: "sudo apt install ./<exact filename>" i got a long scrollbuffer of errormessages, and it failed to install.
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1320[13:43:00] <LtL> s0da: is that machine connected? is it a debian package?
1321[13:43:01] <diogenes_> jmd, GRUB_BACKGROUND=/path/to/image.png in /etc/default/grub then sudo update-grub and notice if grub says that if found the image.
1322[13:43:43] <s0da> LtL: it is a debian package i had previously dled before a system restore via timeshift.
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1324[13:43:59] <s0da> i was using it to test out the syntax and command.
1325[13:44:19] <gidna> the imagemick package in debian is not working well for me
1326[13:44:33] <s0da> i finally gave up and just "sudo apt-get install <package>" instead
1327[13:45:06] <LtL> s0da: i don't know what timeshift is, does apt update, upgrade work with no errors?
1328[13:45:11] <jmd> diogenes_: Is that preferred over setting it in /etc/alternatives/desktop-grub.sh ?
1329[13:45:38] <diogenes_> jmd, no clue about that one.
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1331[13:45:44] <LtL> s0da: then it probably pulled it from a repo
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1333[13:47:00] <s0da> LtL: it DID pull it from repo. cuz like i said, i specifically told it to.
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1339[13:47:37] <s0da> i guess to install from my drive, i would NEED to use dpkg instead of apt.
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1341[13:48:12] <s0da> which i really dont wanna do anyway -- i was just trying to see if this worked. (i know its always preferable to download from repos!)
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1344[13:51:23] <s0da> thanks again
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1368[14:09:43] <netcrash> Is there anyplace that has a most recent version for gearmand-server ?
1369[14:10:29] <netcrash> python3_germand is sending a protocol (30) that the gearmand server does not understand. This protocol is available in more recent versions
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1372[14:12:24] <Habbie> ,v gearmand-server
1373[14:12:25] <judd> No package named 'gearmand-server' was found in amd64.
1374[14:12:45] <Habbie> ,v gearman-server
1375[14:12:46] <judd> Package: gearman-server on amd64 -- jessie: 1.11-2; bullseye: 1.130.1-1; buster: 1.130.1-1; sid: 1.130.1-1; stretch: 1.130.1-1
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1379[14:14:18] <uio> Hi. I'm trying to use mpsyt, but when I search for a video I get error messages. Is this piece of software broken?
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1381[14:14:45] <Habbie> uio, what's mpsyt? what's the error?
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1386[14:15:12] <no_gravity> Hello! I am in an interactive docker container an (run -it) and when I try to paste unicode chars like ☃, chaos ensues. The cursor kinda jumps backwards.
1387[14:15:16] <no_gravity> Any ideas how to go about that?
1388[14:16:31] <uio> Habbie, It's a CLI youtube player.
1389[14:16:33] <Habbie> no_gravity, does pasting work outside of docker?
1390[14:16:40] <Habbie> uio, i don't see it in buster
1391[14:17:01] <no_gravity> Habbie: Yup
1392[14:17:15] <Habbie> no_gravity, what does locale -a say inside and outside?
1393[14:17:22] <no_gravity> Habbie: All POSIX
1394[14:17:39] <Habbie> no_gravity, no utf-8?
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1396[14:17:58] <uio> Habbie, replaced-url
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1398[14:18:06] <no_gravity> Habbie: Rebuilding the image now with "ENV LANG='en_US.UTF-8' LANGUAGE='en_US:en' LC_ALL='en_US.UTF-8'" in my Dockerfile. Someone on the web said it might help.
1399[14:18:15] <Habbie> no_gravity, i would not be surprised!
1400[14:18:27] <Habbie> uio, ah
1401[14:18:33] <Habbie> uio, it might be interesting to find out why it's not in buster
1402[14:18:38] <uio> Habbie, True.
1403[14:18:54] <Habbie> uio, like this one replaced-url
1404[14:18:55] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1405[14:19:35] <jelly> uio: mpv can do youtube if a fresh enough youtube-dl is installed
1406[14:19:48] <uio> Habbie, Thanks for the link - I had looked but didn't find it...
1407[14:20:01] <uio> jelly, ie not from Debian repos?
1408[14:20:05] <Habbie> yes
1409[14:20:08] <Habbie> that's what i do
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1411[14:20:37] <no_gravity> Habbie: It did not help :)
1412[14:21:19] <GrembleBean> how did you enter the container no_gravity ?
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1414[14:21:35] <GrembleBean> and what's your host locale/shell like?
1415[14:21:36] <no_gravity> GrembleBean: "docker run -it"
1416[14:21:39] <jelly> ,v youtube-dl
1417[14:21:40] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.01.17-1.1; bullseye: 2019.09.28-1; sid: 2019.09.28-1; bullseye-multimedia: 2019.10.16-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 2019.10.16-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2019.10.16-dmo1
1418[14:21:52] <no_gravity> GrembleBean: en_US.UTF-8
1419[14:22:00] <jelly> uio: the one from bullseye/sid might be new enough
1420[14:22:18] <GrembleBean> and unicode works on the host no_gravity ?
1421[14:22:23] <no_gravity> GrembleBean: Yes
1422[14:22:45] <uio> jelly, Interesting... I've never used packages from newer repos... What is this called?
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1425[14:23:03] <no_gravity> Pasting ☃ makes the cursor jump backwards. Pasting 🏆 outputs :\237\217\206.
1426[14:23:04] <jelly> it's called "don't do that"
1427[14:23:13] <GrembleBean> does it persist if run another /bin/bash inside the container?
1428[14:23:21] <GrembleBean> no_gravity, ^
1429[14:23:33] <uio> jelly, lol So... don't use the bullseye/sid one??
1430[14:23:41] <jelly> uio: this one package however is self-contained enough to work if you download it separately and install
1431[14:24:00] <no_gravity> GrembleBean: Yes. And after I type "bash<enter>" I get this: bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8)
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1433[14:24:11] <uio> jelly, I see. Case by case. Okay. Well. I'll try that then...
1434[14:24:59] <GrembleBean> no_gravity, interesting, but I've not idea as to the solution. A few clues there though.
1435[14:25:26] <jelly> no_gravity: so you don't have locale definitions in the container.
1436[14:25:59] <GrembleBean> which would make it default to C presumably
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1438[14:26:11] <no_gravity> jelly: Strange, it's created from the debian:10-slim image.
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1443[14:27:34] <GrembleBean> cut down Debian images often don't have locales installed
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1446[14:29:38] <jelly> no_gravity: either install "locales-all" or make sure "locales" is installed and run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to enable locales you need
1447[14:30:04] <jelly> no_gravity: it's not strange at all. docker containers are meant to run single isolated processes
1448[14:30:13] <uio> jelly, Habbie Downloading the Bullseye youtube-dl did the trick. Now mpsyt is working just fine!
1449[14:30:20] <jelly> huh
1450[14:30:33] <Habbie> eh
1451[14:30:53] <jelly> uio: I did not know this "mpsyt" thing used youtube-dl as well, sorry for accidentally fixing your issue
1452[14:30:59] <no_gravity> jelly: When I add this to the "docker run" command, it works: -e LANG=C.UTF-8
1453[14:31:02] <uio> mpsyt uses youtube-dl I think.
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1455[14:31:11] <jelly> no_gravity: so use that instead.
1456[14:31:19] <uio> jelly, No worries. Just don't do it again :p
1457[14:33:39] <no_gravity> jelly: I think I will try to put something into the dockerfile that makes it permanent.
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1477[14:43:12] <trysten> what is the canonical way to automatically mount mass storage?
1478[14:43:24] <trysten> like, the debian way without gnome or friends
1479[14:43:54] <trysten> udev? where should I start?
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1520[15:07:00] <plantroon> hmm, I got an idea related to my preseed partitioning problem. Would it be possible to somehow "capture" my answers from debian installer? I tried running debconf-get-selections --installer, but that can't be used as preseed file for some reason.
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1555[15:17:53] <losgb1> Hi, I'm on Debian 10.1 Buster Xfce, I have an issue with the systray icon for the power manager, it is not in tune with the theme and icons and displays all kinds of icons which are not right. Anybody has any idea on how to fix this ?
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1574[15:26:30] <Ede|Popede> plantroon: i made screenshots once, if that's enough. but then don't forget to save them away from the temporary fs before rebooting.
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1577[15:27:42] <millaus564578568> i have a user with a group i use usermod -G b user after i try to delete a group but i have error user have a as a primary group ..... !!!!!
1578[15:28:02] <plantroon> Ede|Popede: I am trying to partition thru preseed file. I remember my layout just fine, so no need for screenshots ... unless I can supply them to the installer and it will do OCR on them xD
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1581[15:28:58] <greycat> millaus564578568: do you understand what "primary group" means? Put the user in a different primary group (by default, Debian makes a group-name to match every user-name, so you can just make their matching group-name their primary group.)
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1584[15:29:23] <greycat> millaus564578568: this is incredibly difficult to discuss without actual names to refer to. The pronouns get out of hand.
1585[15:29:45] <wrksx> Is there a way to install libapache2-mod-php5.x from an old debian version on buster?
1586[15:30:11] <millaus564578568> greycat:how can i change primary group ?
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1588[15:30:39] <greycat> millaus564578568: The way I would do it is to edit the passwd file by hand, using "vipw".
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1592[15:31:19] <greycat> if there's some "command" to do it, it would take me a whole bunch of digging to find it, to read the documentation, to figure out what options exist and what they do... SO much simpler just to edit the text file
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1596[15:32:12] <plantroon> wrksx: there is Ondrej Sury's PHP repo, chjeck it out
1597[15:32:29] <plantroon> wrksx: don't install pacakges from old debian, you will create frankendebian which can lead to terrible times
1598[15:32:34] <greycat> wrksx: you're talking about going back at least *two* releases, which gets ugly
1599[15:32:57] <wrksx> oh yeah I'm gonna avoid frankendebian
1600[15:33:11] <wrksx> will check out Ondrej Sury's
1601[15:33:55] <karlpinc> millaus564578568: You _can_ use usermod, but I agree with greycat. Using vipw (editing both /etc/passwd and possibly /etc/group) I don't need to research anything.
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1603[15:34:08] <themill> millaus564578568: usermod -G does not change the primary group btw
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1606[15:35:27] <wrksx> (never heard of vipw, looks awesome)
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1610[15:36:44] <greycat> There's also "vigr" for /etc/group.
1611[15:37:14] <themill> I always assume that's some sort of drink
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1613[15:38:02] <netcrash> I'm compiling gearman and for some reason traffic spikes to 1Gbps on the interface... No communication to the outside just this traffic
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1616[15:38:25] <h0n3ycl0ud> millaus564578568, usermod user -g newprimarygroup
1617[15:38:40] <h0n3ycl0ud> millaus564578568, note the lowercase 'g'
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1634[15:43:53] <millaus564578568> thk u all
1635[15:44:02] <millaus564578568> now its work properly
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1637[15:44:34] <ubuking> hello!
1638[15:44:44] <Haohmaru> hai therr
1639[15:45:23] <ubuking> my Name is unuking
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1641[15:45:45] <themill> netcrash: test suite?
1642[15:45:49] <losgb1> Hi, I'm on Debian 10.1 Buster Xfce, I have an issue with the systray icon for the power manager, it is not in tune with the theme and icons and displays all kinds of icons which are not right. Anybody has any idea on how to fix this ?
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1646[15:46:29] <ubuking> use Gnome losgb1
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1648[15:46:43] <Haohmaru> losgb1 i use xfce4-panel and since the upgrade to debian10 the cpu meters and other stuff have turned from rectangular to horrificly ugly elipses
1649[15:47:00] <losgb1> ubuking No way man, not using Gnome ahaha
1650[15:47:28] <losgb1> Haohmaru Yeah I know lots of bugs to fix with buster
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1652[15:48:50] <losgb1> like the free space checker used to let you see how much space you had on mounted partitions when you clicked on it, now it just opens up the file manager to whatever path you set in the options.
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1656[15:49:50] <ubuking> losgb1
1657[15:49:58] <ubuking> are you using Debian on your Desktop PC ?
1658[15:50:05] <losgb1> yeah, Debian 10.1
1659[15:50:12] <ubuking> ah
1660[15:50:16] <ubuking> soembody TOLD me
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1662[15:50:20] <ubuking> Debian is too old for Desktop pc
1663[15:50:27] <ubuking> only good for servers ??
1664[15:50:38] <losgb1> It's not a desktop pc it's a laptop
1665[15:50:42] <greycat> Depends on your desktop PC. I'm using it on my desktop PC.
1666[15:50:52] <ubuking> i have to PCs
1667[15:51:00] <losgb1> Nah it's good otherwise, I didn't have nearly as much bugs to fix with stretch.
1668[15:51:02] <ubuking> Intel E8400 4 GB MEmory, and Intel i3 530 8 gb memory
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1670[15:52:02] <bolt> what does "too old for desktop pc" even mean? as in it can't launch a reasonably up to date browser and use modern websites? as in it can't play your videos? because it can...
1671[15:52:23] <ubuking> yes it says
1672[15:52:28] <ubuking> too old packages
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1674[15:52:41] <ubuking> Firefox old, kernel old,, vlc old
1675[15:52:42] <ubuking> and so o
1676[15:52:47] <ubuking> and so on
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1679[15:53:43] <losgb1> It maybe old but it's stable (once you get the bugs fixed)
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1682[15:55:50] <jelly> ubuking: the fact firefox is 60.9ESR and kernel is 4.19 LTS does not stop them from being useful
1683[15:57:03] <Ede|Popede> ubuking: checking for bugs takes time. you don't find them all in the lab, many show up on user's installations. and then try to get tens of thousands of packages into sync, so that installing something won't break your system. and once it works, better don't touch what isn't broken.
1684[15:57:15] <greycat> I also don't consider firefox ESR 60 or Linux 4.19 to be "old". Maybe that's just me.
1685[15:57:36] <ubuking> thanks for your opinions
1686[15:57:38] <jelly> ubuking: things that I use every day, work. If you find something that does not work, ask in this channel and we can try to find workarounds or solutions.
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1688[15:57:46] <ubuking> so i can go and use Debian isntead of ubuntu
1689[15:57:52] <jelly> !tias
1690[15:57:52] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
1691[15:58:12] <ubuking> ok last thing
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1693[15:58:16] <ubuking> what DE can you recommend?
1694[15:58:32] <jelly> use whichever you like.
1695[15:58:35] <Ede|Popede> ubuking: just look at the firefox point releases. they come up with a .0 every 6 weeks and how often do they have to release a new version because of some bugs they didn't see before release date? and this .1 may break something else, so .2 is there just days later. not a good method to handle an OS.
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1698[15:59:16] * themill hopes that ubuking saves the log of the discussion this time to save having it yet again in a few days
1699[15:59:21] <Ede|Popede> :)
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1707[16:01:36] <Ede|Popede> do some of the DEs conlict with some other? if not, then i see no reason not to install them all and try them out.
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1716[16:08:26] <wrksx> plantroon: I might have not checkedout the correct repo, I found this: replaced-url
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1718[16:09:37] <wrksx> Oh okay I might have found it replaced-url
1719[16:09:42] <wrksx> I mean libapache2-mod-php5.6/unknown
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1721[16:10:54] <plantroon> wrksx: what's the problem with it? just do as the readme says
1722[16:11:31] <wrksx> I did, I just mistyped and didn't found the packages the first time I tried
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1725[16:12:03] <wrksx> all good now, I mean I installed the libapache2-mod-php5.6 and going to try it out
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1727[16:12:30] <wrksx> @plantroon
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1729[16:12:54] <plantroon> yeah, thats as old as the man supports it... for some apps I just used 5.3.something in squeeze docker...
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1732[16:13:29] <wrksx> I hope that's old enought
1733[16:13:31] <wrksx> =)
1734[16:13:36] <greycat> Dare we ask *why* you want an ancient, decrepit, almost certainly insecure PHP module?
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1736[16:13:53] <plantroon> Im not a dev and I had to make the apps run :)
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1741[16:14:50] <themill> the joy of tools where there was money to write the first version but not to keep rewriting it again and again
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1743[16:15:34] <jelly> I have at least one core internal app running on squeeze php on a wheezy VM
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1745[16:15:53] <inna> what's the build-essentials package called?
1746[16:16:00] <plantroon> customer asks to host stuff... what should i do? I recommend him a new website but they instead choose to pay a bit more expensive hosting.. I tell them there are risks as we
1747[16:16:00] <greycat> build-essential
1748[16:16:12] <inna> lol ty
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1750[16:16:53] <plantroon> aaand I prolly just figured out how to do lvm on luks on mdraid with preseed. If this works I'm gonna celebrate
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1776[16:36:54] <no_gravity> Ok, here is something out of the ordinary: I run an interactive debian in docker session from a php script via passthru("docker run -it ..."); Everything runs fine. Until I enter screen. Then screen only uses 79x24 chars and is stuck to that size even when I resize the terminal. Any ideas why how to fix that?
1777[16:38:01] <plantroon> what does echo $TERM say?
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1779[16:38:32] <greycat> I'm almost certain I should /ignore no_gravity immediately to save myself.
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1781[16:38:39] <no_gravity> plantroon: xterm
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1786[16:39:39] <no_gravity> greycat: The PHP script builds a pretty complex docker run command with tons of mounts etc. I'm not sure how else I could run it then via passthru().
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1788[16:40:04] <greycat> how many puppies did you have to kill?
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1790[16:40:18] <plantroon> no_gravity: dunno, try setting it to TERM=linux somewhere...
1791[16:40:23] <colo-work> greycat, all of them.
1792[16:40:24] <plantroon> in env
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1795[16:40:52] <no_gravity> plantroon: Not sure what you mean where to set it.
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1798[16:42:49] <plantroon> arent there some env variables in the docker file or wherever you are executing it from? Also, what terminal do you use?
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1802[16:43:42] <greycat> I'm really quite skeptical that setting TERM=linux in the environment would alter the physical characteristics of the terminal emulator.
1803[16:44:03] <no_gravity> plantroon: I'm not sure what you mean.
1804[16:44:28] <no_gravity> When I execute the "docker run" command the PHP script creates on the command line, screen works fine.
1805[16:44:40] <no_gravity> It seems to be the passthru("docker run ...") that causes the problem.
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1807[16:44:55] <no_gravity> But since the PHP script creates the command ... how else would I execute it?
1808[16:45:04] <greycat> ... yeah, sorry, I'm going to ignore you for 6 hours. maybe that'll be long enough.
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1810[16:45:32] <greycat> Enjoy your puppy-blood-fueled docker-php nightmare.
1811[16:46:27] <plantroon> life is hard
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1813[16:47:56] <no_gravity> Maybe the PHP script receives the terminal size/resizes but does not forward it to Docker.
1814[16:48:13] <no_gravity> Let's see what happens when I run it from a bash script instead ...
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1817[16:49:50] <no_gravity> No problem.
1818[16:50:01] <no_gravity> So it is somehow the interaction with PHP/passthru().
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1824[16:52:13] <no_gravity> Let's say I make the PHP output the command instead. What would be a good way to execute it then?
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1853[17:14:24] <inari> are "ls -lG" and "ls -o" equivalent?
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1856[17:16:54] <inari> also, actual question before I got lost in the mans for ls: is there a way to list by rows in ls (i.e. from top left to top right, then 2nd line left to right, and so on)?
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1861[17:18:03] <inari> natural behaviour is from top left and downwards, then second coloumn, then third and so on
1862[17:18:47] <inari> ok, it's hidden at the bottom of the man file: -x
1863[17:18:59] <inari> thanks #debian
1864[17:19:45] <Habbie> you're welcome!
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1884[17:30:35] <wrksx> Ok, now what about installing MariaDB 10.0 instead of 10.3?
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1886[17:30:53] <jhutchins_wk> !ping
1887[17:30:53] <dpkg> Sorry jhutchins_wk, you're not online.
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1906[17:38:55] <Thunder-> Can anyone with a fresh Debian 10 install with secure boot enabled at hand tell me if "mokutil -l" is supposed to be empty?
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1909[17:39:57] <gidna> hello
1910[17:40:22] <gidna> debian comes with graphicsmagick and not imagemagick and it is causing me some troubles..
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1912[17:40:41] <gidna> I cannot set the bg to transparent when doing pdflatex --shell-escape formula.tex
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1914[17:42:50] <Thunder-> gidna: I believe both imagemagick and graphicsmagick are packaged in debian.. have you tried installing imagemagick?
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1919[17:48:50] <gidna> graphicsmagick doesn't work well..
1920[17:49:41] <Thunder-> gidna, install imagemagick and use it instead?
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1930[17:53:05] <Thunder-> Anyone here running Debian 10 with secure boot enabled willing to answer a quick question for me?
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1933[17:53:18] <millaus564578568> Ciao a tutti :)
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1965[18:19:48] <johndoe_> hey there. just installed latest netinst. everything went fine, boots up perfectly but X is not coming alive. tty0 only shows a blank screen with a blinking cursor.
1966[18:19:58] <johndoe_> everything else works, as i managed to install irssi on tty1
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1968[18:20:23] <greycat> look for missing firmware: dmesg | grep -i firmware
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1970[18:21:07] <johndoe_> how do i enable mouse in console?
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1972[18:21:23] <johndoe_> can't remember the names of the programs i'm getting old.
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1974[18:21:36] <greycat> there was "gpm" but I haven't seen that in a decade or two
1975[18:21:56] <johndoe_> right! thats it
1976[18:22:10] <johndoe_> [drm:amdgpu_pci_probe [amdgpu]] *ERROR* amdgpu requires firmware installed
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1978[18:22:19] <johndoe_> See replaced-url
1979[18:22:24] <johndoe_> you're right.
1980[18:22:38] <greycat> it should tell you the name of the firmware file that it wants, and then you can do a package search to find which package it's in
1981[18:22:38] * johndoe_ installs links
1982[18:22:58] <greycat> although firmware-amd-graphics is a good guess
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1984[18:23:33] <johndoe_> no such package available
1985[18:23:36] <johndoe_> special rep?
1986[18:23:46] <greycat> !non-free
1987[18:23:47] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
1988[18:23:52] <johndoe_> ah right.
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1990[18:25:02] <johndoe_> !non-free sources
1991[18:25:02] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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1997[18:26:47] <johndoe_> thanks, trying a reboot.
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2002[18:28:52] <johndoe_> thanks dude, that was it. works fine now.
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2006[18:29:01] <johndoe_> awesome support!
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2009[18:30:00] * nsa_ uses the deepstate debian distro
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2029[18:40:23] <millaus564578568> Ciao a Tutti!!!
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2033[18:43:07] <nsa_> mmmm, debian and pizza and beer and golang
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2035[18:43:48] <nsa_> is golang used for anything much with debian ?
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2038[18:44:39] <nkuttler> nsa_: apt remove golang and see for yourself?
2039[18:45:36] <greycat> "apt-get -s remove golang" to see what *would* happen without actually doing it
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2041[18:46:45] <nsa_> greycat: but,but.. GNU utility binaries could be created with GO
2042[18:46:46] <nsa_> heh
2043[18:46:52] <nsa_> static even
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2045[18:47:41] <greycat> Oh, you're asking about what language things are *written* in, not how golang is used on end-user installations?
2046[18:47:58] <greycat> replaced-url
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2048[18:48:29] <greycat> replaced-url
2049[18:48:35] <nsa_> greycat: yes, that is a very perceptive interpretation of my inquiry
2050[18:48:59] <nsa_> ah
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2052[18:49:50] <greycat> I'm... not quite sure how to read this results page. I guess "cpp"
2053[18:49:54] <greycat> is C++ but where is C?
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2056[18:50:49] <greycat> Oh, "ansic", under "a". Exactly where one does not look for "C".
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2059[18:51:27] <nsa_> hah ha !
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2061[18:51:57] <nsa_> bo go on GO
2062[18:52:03] <greycat> I don't see Go listed there. Not sure whether that means it's not used by any packages, or not tracked by this tool set.
2063[18:52:04] <nsa_> no go on GO
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2070[18:55:26] <inna> is there a graphical app that lets me mount samba shares conveniently?
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2072[18:56:37] <antto> uhm, PCManFM (the filemanager in LXDE) does it
2073[18:57:00] <nsa_> mmm, filemanagers do that easily enough
2074[18:57:22] <antto> (the other probably too, but i don't like em)
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2076[18:57:54] <nsa_> network discovery or some such selection
2077[18:58:11] <antto> pcmanfm even lets you connect via ftp/sftp/scp and such and browse teh filez
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2079[18:58:41] <nsa_> Browse Network is a selection i see
2080[18:59:09] <nsa_> don't know if that will find samba
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2082[19:00:11] <nsa_> update:: PaPaTrack sez pizza is on it's way
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2086[19:01:48] <inna> alrigjht thanks
2087[19:01:50] <inna> shii
2088[19:02:01] <inna> in gnome, if i minimize windows, where are they?
2089[19:02:28] <antto> gnome :~(
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2091[19:04:02] <c0rnelius> poor gnome
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2096[19:05:01] <nsa_> there's a hotspot in the left ot right upper corner of yout diplay that brings up some choices, and i think if you put your pointer all the way to right there is a shelf that pops out, it's really cool but i'm using lxdm for a year now
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2101[19:05:51] <nsa_> i miss gnome desktop
2102[19:06:10] <antto> lxdm?
2103[19:06:44] <mtcdood> I'd like to truncate a repeating string I'm getting from a command, but I only know how to truncate one character that repeats with `tr -s`
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2106[19:07:08] <mtcdood> I get " | | | |" etc and I'd like to replace it with " |" instead
2107[19:07:13] <mtcdood> does anyone have any advice?
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2110[19:07:29] <nsa_> a 'lightweight x display manager' that is an alternative to gnome et al
2111[19:07:45] <nsa_> desktop environment
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2113[19:08:29] <greycat> mtcdood: is it always space-pipeline, or are you looking for something that handles *arbitrary* repeated substrings?
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2115[19:08:51] <mtcdood> for right now I only know about space-pipeline
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2117[19:09:08] <jhutchins_wk> mtcdood: What command has output in that format?
2118[19:09:16] <mtcdood> YouTube video titles
2119[19:09:36] <mtcdood> I download them and store them but I don't want the extra characters the uploader puts in his titles
2120[19:09:38] <greycat> wooledg:~$ echo "abc | | | | def" | sed 's/$ |$\{1,\}/ |/'
2121[19:09:38] <greycat> abc | def
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2125[19:10:43] <antto> nsa_ then you must mean LXDE
2126[19:10:57] <antto> cuz lxdm is afaik just the login manager thing
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2130[19:12:21] <mtcdood> so I'd have to truncate spaces afterwords
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2132[19:12:24] <mtcdood> ok
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2134[19:12:58] <mtcdood> I suppose I should give an example to see if I can avoid multiple steps since I actually truncate spaces just before I get this output
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2136[19:13:49] <mtcdood> the YouTube title is, for example, "Some Stuff Here 🥶🍧❄️| 🤖 🙀 🐸 🐷💍🐴 💔 🔫🕵️ 10/20/19"
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2138[19:14:28] <greycat> I don't see any instances of space+pipeline in there, let alone repeated.
2139[19:14:28] <mtcdood> I strip out the emojis with iconv and get a bunch of spaces, which I truncate with `tr -s " "`, then this would work to remove space-pipeline duplicates if they exist
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2142[19:15:13] <mtcdood> the most recent occurrence was "Some Stuff Here 💴😷 | 🦇🗡💔 | 🚫❄️ | 🕵️"
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2149[19:18:34] <mtcdood> replaced-url
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2151[19:19:07] <mtcdood> it's not a big deal to repeatedly do `tr -s " "` but I'm aware that it's not efficient
2152[19:20:27] <greycat> if efficiency is a big concern, don't write it in shell to begin with
2153[19:20:43] <mtcdood> yeah I can rewrite the whole thing
2154[19:21:09] <mtcdood> I still will be re-procesing this text over and over again in any other language
2155[19:21:22] <greycat> "perform a series of regex-like operations on the input string" is a pretty good fit for perl
2156[19:21:31] <mtcdood> because I don't know how to process it in one go regardless of the tools, builtins, or functions I'm using
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2161[19:23:19] <millaus564578568> Ciao a tutti :P
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2165[19:23:50] <humpled> does that mean hello or bye?
2166[19:23:56] <greycat> yes
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2178[19:30:58] <trysten> earlier today I asked what the debian was to automount inserted usb drives was. then I lost the chat logs
2179[19:31:05] <trysten> debian way*
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2181[19:31:14] <greycat> !irc logs
2182[19:31:14] <dpkg> i heard irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
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2188[19:34:46] <MaxLanar> Hi. I am (remotely) upgrading a server from stretch to buster. I am in the 'apt full-upgrade' step. I was proposed choices about a config file (keep the current verion, etc) but accidentally hit Ctrl-Z. I used fg to bring the process to foreground but now my keystrokes doesn't seem to have any effect (besides printing their value on screen).
2189[19:34:55] <MaxLanar> I am in a screen session.
2190[19:36:02] <MaxLanar> I chose 'D' so now I am seeing the differences between config files but can't quit nor go on with the installation.
2191[19:36:14] <MaxLanar> What could I do ?
2192[19:36:47] <greycat> figure out which process it's stuck in and kill it
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2194[19:38:00] <MaxLanar> 'What could I do besides killing the process ?' should I have said :)
2195[19:38:26] <greycat> why don't you want to kill the process that's just showing the difference between x and y?
2196[19:38:39] <MaxLanar> I fear it will mess my upgrade
2197[19:38:47] <greycat> I cannot imagine how.
2198[19:38:47] <trysten> MaxLanar: maybe try reptyr
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2202[19:41:27] <johndoe_> lel.
2203[19:41:50] <johndoe_> so... how can i boot into uefi?
2204[19:42:03] <MaxLanar> greycat: greycat : so you advice me to just 'kill apt' and run 'apt full-upgrade' again ?
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2206[19:42:14] <MaxLanar> (killall*)
2207[19:42:19] <greycat> MaxLanar: maybe as a las..l.; N)O NO NO NO NO ONO
2208[19:42:22] <greycat> NEVER USE KILLALL
2209[19:42:26] <greycat> JESUS
2210[19:42:37] <greycat> now let me try to return to answering hte PREVIOUS comments
2211[19:42:55] <MaxLanar> (not killall, kill [pid])
2212[19:43:13] <greycat> No, I did not say to "kill apt". Maybe as a last resort, but that's not what I *said*. What I *said* was to figure out the process that is actually "active" on your terminal, like diff or something, and kill THAT.
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2215[19:44:25] <MaxLanar> pager ?
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2219[19:44:46] <greycat> Sure, kill that.
2220[19:45:25] <MaxLanar> it worked :)
2221[19:46:12] <MaxLanar> no idea what it did with my config file though, hopefully it was not a crucial one
2222[19:46:17] <MaxLanar> ty
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2227[19:51:19] <Voldenet> >never use killall
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2230[19:51:59] <Voldenet> Why? If you've got one instance of the binary at most, you should be able to use killall
2231[19:52:50] <greycat> For starters, there are other unix systems where "killall" kills literally every process on the entire system. It's called during final shutdown.
2232[19:52:51] <mtcdood> because someone else or an automated process might be using the system
2233[19:53:10] <greycat> For that and other reasons, killall was functionally replaced by pkill a REALLY LONG TIME AGO.
2234[19:53:41] <greycat> Even then, you might THINK there is only one "apt" process or whatever, and you use pkill, because you're 99% sure it's "safe", and ... it's not.
2235[19:54:07] <greycat> Being lazy and not finding out the PID is just asking for trouble, eventually.
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2250[19:57:37] <pi2> n
2251[19:57:41] <pi2> hi!
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2257[19:59:46] <jhutchins_wk> trysten: USB Automounts are usually handled by the DE's filemanager, and sometimes use a gnome utility as part of the process.
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2260[20:00:48] <jhutchins_wk> trysten: I believe they're usually mounted with fuse as the user rather than at a system level. Without a GUI root has to mount them manually.
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2262[20:00:55] <pi2> hi!
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2267[20:01:52] <trysten> So without a DE, there isn't a canonical way.. I suppose I'd have to make my own udev rules to get the behavior I want?
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2269[20:02:26] <humpled> there's udisks2, i think it amounts to the same thing
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2272[20:03:22] <VLMC> Hey, I have an urgent issue with a WordPress server which lost TLS 1.2 following an apt upgrade of its underlying Debian system, I ran this test replaced-url
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2274[20:03:52] <MaxLanar> My upgrade to buster is done. I have a lot of red errors in dmesg : "lvm2-activation-generator: lvmconfig failed lvm2-activation-generator: Activation generator failed." Should I be worried (before rebboting) ?
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2277[20:04:32] <whislock> VLMC: One assumes you're using Apache. I'd check to make sure the correct sites/modules are enabled.
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2279[20:05:23] <trysten> VLMC: curl_setopt($_h, CURLOPT_IPRESOLVE, CURL_IPRESOLVE_V4 );
2280[20:06:14] <schumaml> I'm running sid with xfce - and suddenly clicking on links in a terminal window tries to open thunderbird instead of firefox. the preferred application is set to firefox, sensible-browser launches firefox as well
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2282[20:06:28] <schumaml> what else could I check?
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2284[20:06:44] <mrGEEK> hello
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2286[20:08:12] <trysten> schumaml: can you confirm that you are in xfce-terminal and not something else?
2287[20:08:27] <schumaml> I am
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2289[20:08:56] <trysten> what happens when you xdg-open <url>
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2293[20:09:23] <mrGEEK> wow iam still newbie here
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2295[20:09:44] <schumaml> trysten: firefox opens
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2297[20:10:24] <millaus564578568> Hellooooooooooo!!!
2298[20:10:36] <VLMC> whislock: yeah sorry, Apache. Thanks, I'll check, although https works on the site
2299[20:10:49] <VLMC> trysten: Where would I place that?
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2301[20:11:26] <trysten> schumaml: exo-open <url>
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2303[20:11:50] <trysten> VLMC: if you don't know, you probably should get more hands on help administering your site
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2308[20:12:49] <schumaml> trysten: firefox
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2315[20:14:59] <trysten> schumaml: pastebin ~/.config/mimeapps.list
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2317[20:15:18] <jhutchins_wk> VLMC: In the ssl configuration for the Apache module there is a list of acceptable protocols and cyphers, check that.
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2320[20:16:43] <VLMC> jhutchins_wk: I have SSLProtocol -all +TLSv1.2 +TLSv1.3 already set in my site config
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2322[20:17:28] <jhutchins_wk> VLMC: Check the logs for errors.
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2325[20:18:41] <schumaml> trysten: ah, I see it - there's a whole new section there labeled [Default Applications], where everything is taken over by thunderbird
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2328[20:19:36] <schumaml> now I just don't know why and how this happened
2329[20:20:08] <trysten> Either you clicked or thunderbird is a bully lol
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2332[20:20:48] <jokoon> hello, I just installed debian and already forgot my root password... is there any other way to reset that password?
2333[20:20:58] <VLMC> jhutchins_wk: Logs have no errors relating to PHP, Apache, TLS or Curl that is relevant
2334[20:20:59] <greycat> !ifrp
2335[20:20:59] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
2336[20:21:16] <jokoon> oh cool
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2340[20:23:13] <schumaml> so,let's keep a copy of that file around in case that needs a bug report, and clean it up
2341[20:23:26] <schumaml> trysten: thanks, working as expected again
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2347[20:25:33] <jokoon> how to restore grub after a windows install?
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2349[20:26:09] <karlpinc> jokoon: The easy way is to boot from the debian install media and go into rescue mode and choose from the menu.
2350[20:26:16] <jokoon> ok
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2356[20:30:28] <VLMC> curl itself seems to support TLS 1.3, but not through Apache / PHP
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2365[20:39:58] <VLMC> trysten: I know this is PHP, I just don't know where to place it as this is a WordPress site with WooCommerce + Moneris, I can't just wedge the code in the plug-in
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2374[20:45:50] <trysten> VLMC: do you have a shell on the server
2375[20:46:03] <trysten> Of course you do. Try using curl from the command line
2376[20:46:57] <VLMC> curl from the command line works fine with SSL 1.2
2377[20:47:01] <VLMC> TLS 1.2*
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2379[20:48:24] <jhutchins_wk> VLMC: You might try #wordpress, but your problem appears to be related to a specific module.
2380[20:48:33] <VLMC> jhutchins_wk: possibly
2381[20:48:43] <VLMC> I'm currently in #web as well, I'll give #wordpress a shot
2382[20:48:49] <VLMC> thanks peeps
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2386[20:50:36] <rwp> VLMC, Just as a hint... PHP has nothing to do with https TLS as that is all handled by Apache (or Nginx). So looking at the Wordpress side of things is not going to find anything.
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2388[20:51:00] <idle_> VLMC: seems like an apache related question
2389[20:51:03] <VLMC> rwp: It's probably an Apache module
2390[20:51:04] <VLMC> yeah
2391[20:51:25] <idle_> VLMC: replaced-url
2392[20:51:43] <rwp> You likely have some old configuration that was locally inserted. Then with the upgrade it is no longer working as before, likely it is now breaking things.
2393[20:52:23] <rwp> It might be best to make a backup copy and then remove all locally added configuration. Then things should Just Work. Then carefully re-apply your local configuration again, debugging where it went wrong.
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2395[20:53:28] <millaus564578568> Ciao a tutti :P
2396[20:53:33] <rwp> Also you said "https works" which is confusing when you are also reporting that it does not work. You might try getting a report about your site from replaced-url
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2398[20:54:01] <VLMC> rwp: SSL works, but Moneris is refusing a connection due to the lack of TLS 1.2
2399[20:54:14] <VLMC> Everything else on the site works
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2402[20:54:43] <rwp> So by this are we to assume that the site only offers TLSv3?
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2405[20:55:27] <VLMC> replaced-url
2406[20:55:28] <rwp> I suggest getting a site report from the ssllabs.com site as I am sure it will be informative.
2407[20:55:52] <VLMC> All TLS versions are supported
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2410[20:56:54] <rwp> On a quick pass I would say that looks pretty good. You are getting an A rating from it. And it says it supports TLSv2.
2411[20:57:12] <SerajewelKS> curl -v would also tell you what TLS versions the server offers
2412[20:57:20] <SerajewelKS> (i think)
2413[20:57:46] <GNU\colossus> you can use testssl.sh for such things locally (replaced-url
2414[20:57:49] <rwp> But since it is also reporting TLSv1 and TLSv1.1 too it means your "SSLProtocol -all +TLSv1.2 +TLSv1.3" is definitely not having an effect.
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2417[21:01:03] <rwp> When I probe the site my Debian Sid system is negotiating a TLSv1.2 connection. (I thought it would use TLSv1.3 if available. Not sure though. Don't quote me on that.)
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2421[21:04:52] <GNU\colossus> TLSv1.3 works (client-side at least) on Debian Buster
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2428[21:07:31] <rwp> Hmm... On my Debian Sid system curl reports "curl: (4) OpenSSL was built without TLS 1.3 support".
2429[21:08:27] <greycat> how do you get it to say that?
2430[21:08:43] <GNU\colossus> curl -v replaced-url
2431[21:08:44] <GNU\colossus> * TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
2432[21:08:45] <GNU\colossus> [...]
2433[21:08:48] <rwp> However on my Debian Buster system it has been built with TLS 1.3 support. Hmm....
2434[21:09:29] <rwp> greycat, curl --tlsv1.3 -v replaced-url
2435[21:11:07] <rwp> Okay for TLSv1.3 on a different Sid system. So it is just my desktop to understand and debug.
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2444[21:16:31] <indigob> anyone else losing keyboard access after booting with init=/bin/sh on newer hardware?
2445[21:17:16] <indigob> weird issue we're running into on some newer intel hardware running buster (not sure if its distro specific)
2446[21:17:31] <indigob> but we lose keyboard access while trying to single-user through init=/bin/bash boot flags
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2448[21:18:12] <indigob> single as a kernel flag isn't an option due to the shell requiring login
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2450[21:19:11] <greycat> have you tried putting the keyboard in a different USB slot, assuming it's USB?
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2455[21:21:52] <indigob> tried different slots, different keyboards
2456[21:22:10] <indigob> definitely something fucky w/UEFI or 5.X kernel
2457[21:22:43] <indigob> fwiw, we're also getting error messages for IOCTL when the usb keyboard is plugged in
2458[21:23:46] <indigob> just weird how it only pops up when booting via init=/bin/sh
2459[21:23:51] <indigob> normal boot and recovery work fine
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2482[21:37:20] <Wotac> hi, am i the only one whose KDE plasma DE broke after updating last night?
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2488[21:40:23] <millaus564578568> Ciao a Tutti!!!
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2490[21:42:28] <jhutchins_wk> Wotac: Nope.
2491[21:43:02] <Wotac> that's comforting
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2509[21:56:54] <f-a> Hello. Is it possible to run a dictd server (well, the dictd server) as a user?
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2521[22:03:11] <Wotac> i tried installing kde-plasma-desktop back and it complained about packages that are not going to be installed, i tried installing one of the packages and it complained about different packages
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2523[22:03:27] <Wotac> i followed that chain until the last one didn't give me any next package
2524[22:03:38] <Wotac> E: Package 'qtbase-abi-5-11-3' has no installation candidate
2525[22:03:38] <greycat> if this is on testing or unstable, it belongs in #debian-next on OFTC
2526[22:04:09] <Wotac> it's unstable, i joined #debian-next on purpose and was automatically directed here anyway
2527[22:04:17] <greycat> !debian-next
2528[22:04:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2535[22:06:33] <Wotac> i see
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2546[22:14:01] <wakawako> hi, can you expand the ls -a command to show even more of what is going on at your machine?
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2548[22:14:38] <greycat> ls -a shows you files. It does not show you events.
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2551[22:15:08] <wakawako> what can show exactly everything at once?
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2554[22:16:38] <SerajewelKS> describe "everything"
2555[22:16:53] <schumaml> there's lsof
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2559[22:17:11] <greycat> you might find "top" useful
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2562[22:17:30] <greycat> but really, you need to narrow down your question
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2565[22:18:39] <wakawako> folders, files, activities, time and date and whether or not if it´s something alien present doing something you had no idea even went on or not
2566[22:18:55] <greycat> ... gods, not this shit again. I can't take it any more. *plonk*
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2569[22:19:46] <wakawako> I don´t mean to go on and on about the same but I want it to end
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2572[22:20:21] <humpled> hmm
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2579[22:23:22] <millaus564578568> Ciao a tutti :)))
2580[22:23:42] <jhutchins_wk> wakawako: There isn't one tool. You've been told about several that can help with all of that.
2581[22:24:04] <jhutchins_wk> wakawako: Did you ever do the clean reinstall that everybody suggested?
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2584[22:24:45] <wakawako> at the computer that got affected? yes but I wonder if it was even enough
2585[22:25:02] <jhutchins_wk> wakawako: For reasonable values of "enough", yes.
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2588[22:25:30] <wakawako> even after I reinstalled I have doubts since I can´t be entirely sure
2589[22:25:43] <jhutchins_wk> wakawako: You have tripwire and some sort of rootkit checker set up?
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2591[22:26:20] <SerajewelKS> if you are a paranoid person then no amount of evidence will be good enough for you simply because you _can't_ prove that you _aren't_ infected with something
2592[22:26:27] <jhutchins_wk> wakawako: You will never be entirely sure. There are too many variables. You can, however, be reasonably sure - sure enough.
2593[22:26:27] <wakawako> chkrootkit? It showed a few things but according to you it wasn´t enough
2594[22:26:45] <jhutchins_wk> wakawako: Only a clean install is enough, but it is enough.
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2596[22:27:29] <jhutchins_wk> wakawako: tripwire and chkrootkit are not for investigating past incidents, they are for you to watch your computer in case something new happens.
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2599[22:29:06] <wakawako> ok
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2601[22:31:29] <wakawako> if it´s another computer that you have a lot to lose on, a tool for investigating incidents is a must.
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2603[22:32:29] <SerajewelKS> if you have a lot to lose maybe take backups?
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2607[22:32:56] <greycat> !backups
2608[22:32:56] <dpkg> I don't need no steenkin backups. However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data. See <things to backup>, <qotd126>, <flw40>.
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2618[22:36:42] <wakawako> what if the thing that gives me problem follows with all I want to save only to show up again when I want to use the backup?
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2623[22:39:43] <oxek> during debian installation, how can I make sure d-i seeds /dev/urandom with enough entropy?
2624[22:40:05] <greycat> d-i has nothing to do with that
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2629[22:41:21] <oxek> ok then in the general environment of debian installer, how do I ensure that?
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2631[22:42:14] <greycat> Use a CPU that has hardware RNG features. Other than that, the kernel seeds it with whatever sources it finds, mostly timing measurements from unpredictable input sources (keyboard, mouse, network activity).
2632[22:42:46] <greycat> What is the specific problem you are trying to solve?
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2636[22:43:39] <oxek> generating keys for cryptsetup during debian installation
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2638[22:44:02] <jhutchins_wk> wakawako: That is what the intrusion detection tools are for.
2639[22:44:05] <greycat> This has been an issue for you? You could bang on the keyboard a lot.
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2641[22:44:38] <greycat> I'm not sure if wiggling the mouse does anything in the text installer, or not.
2642[22:44:39] <jhutchins_wk> wakawako: It would probably be wise to keep the data backups separate from the OS.
2643[22:44:47] <oxek> greycat: yes, I am wondering if typing random stuff on keyboard will help with entropy during debian installation
2644[22:45:07] <oxek> because the environment of debian installation is very limited
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2647[22:45:17] <greycat> A linux kernel is running. So, yes.
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2649[22:45:35] <oxek> ah, so the kernel always does it?
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2652[22:45:39] <greycat> I'm just unsure of how a mouse is handled in the absence of X or Wayland or gpm or whatever.
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2663[22:50:43] <wakawako> that´s funny, aide was available all along in the DE or debian 9 and I had no idea of it being in the package manager.
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2667[22:53:48] <wakawako> although when you use debian 10 with kde it´s impossible to find
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2674[23:00:22] <wakawako> might be a weird question but those trojans you said that debian was made safe from being affected by a longshot, what file extension(s) were they of?
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2679[23:02:58] <kreyren> Does anyone has issues with winehq-staging on debian?
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2681[23:03:14] <wakawako> in what program?
2682[23:03:35] <kreyren> any
2683[23:03:57] <wakawako> how does the issue present itself?
2684[23:03:59] <kreyren> currently using 4.18 on testing which seems to have this issue (wine from winehq)
2685[23:04:13] <kreyren> BAD EXE format error
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2690[23:06:25] <kreyren> Nevermind it seems to be an issue with changing wineprefix after an update
2691[23:06:28] <wakawako> could be a false positive of me but I think I have seen this or similar from somewhere
2692[23:06:39] <wakawako> ok
2693[23:06:58] <wakawako> aide doesn´t work right
2694[23:06:59] <kreyren> seems that update from 4.17-staging on 4.18-staging break the previous wineprefix though.. which is weird
2695[23:07:07] <kreyren> works now on new wineprefix
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2697[23:07:52] <wakawako> getting this message when I try fire up aide
2698[23:07:55] <wakawako> Couldn't open file /var/lib/aide/please-dont-call-aide-without-parameters/aide.db for reading
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2700[23:08:23] <SerajewelKS> wakawako: it's almost like it's telling you what not to do, right there in the error
2701[23:08:44] <wakawako> what am I missing?
2702[23:10:16] <wakawako> what parameters do I need?
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2704[23:10:26] <millaus564578568> Ciao a Tutto il Canale!!!
2705[23:11:35] <wakawako> hi on you too as well
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2708[23:12:27] <SerajewelKS> wakawako: man aide
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2735[23:32:42] <plantroon> was that partman thingy in d-i developed by AI with a random string generator? damn that thing is confusing and impossible to understand :D :D
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2738[23:34:29] <oxek> plantroon: what do you mean?
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2740[23:34:58] <oxek> it does not display devices/partitions as nicely as lsblk, that's true
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2742[23:36:40] <plantroon> haha that would be great if it did. The documentation for the thing is nonexistent. I dunno, I might just start reading the source code, nobody seems to know anything about it :(
2743[23:37:32] <oxek> I just switch to shell, do fdisk/mkfs/cryptsetup/lvm manually, and then use the d-i interface to assign mountpoints
2744[23:37:33] <plantroon> I am doing lvm on luks on mdraid. And I even have such a setup, just the EFI partition is created above luks ....
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2749[23:40:24] <plantroon> I have a feeling like it should be doable, since I COULD do it by using the TUI in Debian installer
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2751[23:43:32] <inna> does installing an amd gpu driver firmware package write anything into the EFI?
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2753[23:43:51] <inna> i installed the mentioned package because X wasn't starting
2754[23:43:56] <plantroon> what do you mean into the EFI?
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2756[23:44:23] <inna> well
2757[23:44:35] <inna> the package contains firmware
2758[23:44:52] <inna> and the EFI is nothing other than a firmware storage
2759[23:45:10] <plantroon> the problem with gpu drivers is usually some kernel/drivers/gpu combo and today X starts just fine. If you have an existing xorg.conf, try removing it temporarily
2760[23:45:21] <inna> since i installed the package, my mainboard wouldn't start *any* operating system any more except debian.
2761[23:45:31] <wakawako> If I were to have a log of the activities saved in a text file for someone to inspect if something stands out noticeably, who would you recommend to take a look at it? submit@bugs.debian.org or something more suited to review it and tell what is going on?
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2763[23:45:42] <inna> i had to change motherboard
2764[23:46:30] <plantroon> that shouldn't happen ..:(
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2766[23:47:06] <inna> :(
2767[23:47:07] <plantroon> can't you still boot off a USB? I mean, the UEFI firmware is still there to do its stuff
2768[23:47:20] <inna> i can't do anything - the screen stays black.
2769[23:47:26] <inna> it doesn't post any more.
2770[23:47:28] <plantroon> right after computer bootup?
2771[23:47:36] <inna> it doesn't even post.
2772[23:47:36] <wakawako> How does wayland work compared to x.org?
2773[23:47:48] <plantroon> hmm, have you tried a different display output?
2774[23:47:58] <inna> sure
2775[23:48:02] <plantroon> or you can see some code on mobo/something
2776[23:48:04] <inna> i tried everything
2777[23:48:25] <inna> i tried all ports of the add on card and the onboard gpu
2778[23:48:29] <plantroon> I had displayport malfunction due to Displayport UEFI firmware or whatever, but it was a known problem with GTX 1080 Tis :( you have a Radeon
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2780[23:48:41] <inna> everything works fine with debian, but not with windows.
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2784[23:50:37] <plantroon> no idea what could be wrong :( this happened after installing the debian package with firmware, right?
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2793[23:53:18] <millaus564578568> Ciao a Tutti!!!
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2795[23:53:56] <inna> plantroon: yes.
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