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• 1[00:00:22] <mandeep> what's the best way to diagnose why my laptop doesnt suspend when the lid is closed? (gnome3)
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• 11[00:05:41] <DerLGm> mandeep: review the script n logs
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• 13[00:06:16] <dury> hi there
• 14[00:06:26] <format_c> !dpkg tell mandeep about laptop-mode-tools
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• 16[00:06:59] <format_c> mandeep, have you ever checked laptop-mode-tools?
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• 18[00:07:54] <format_c> it provides configuration files that clearly let you configure the behaviour that appears with laptop environments
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• 21[00:08:01] <mandeep> hmm i see
• 22[00:08:07] <dury> :-)
• 23[00:08:17] <format_c> also things like USB power suspend (mouse)
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• 27[00:08:56] <format_c> very irritating
• 28[00:09:06] <psychoticwarrior> yes im sure it is format_C
• 29[00:09:08] <psychoticwarrior> yes im sure it is format_c
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• 36[00:12:08] <Qas> hello there, I need libssl1.0.0 as a dependency for an install, but stretch has libssl1.0.2..I found the web download link of the former one, but how can I install it without causing any errors or like?
• 37[00:12:26] <psychoticwarrior> apt install libssl1.0.0.
• 38[00:12:28] <psychoticwarrior> apt install libssl1.0.0
• 39[00:12:34] <psychoticwarrior> or synaptic
• 40[00:12:36] <psychoticwarrior> then search for it
• 41[00:12:46] <Qas> it doesnt work with the command
• 42[00:12:53] <Qas> it says no installation candidate
• 43[00:12:59] <psychoticwarrior> try synaptic
• 44[00:13:03] <Qas> because it is not included in stretch
• 45[00:13:47] <Qas> the same. because stretch has 1.0.2.
• 46[00:13:56] <n4dir> Qas: i am not sure if that is a good idea, but you can install "deb" packages with dpkg -i <name>.deb
• 47[00:14:03] <jelly> Qas: you'd have to add back jessie sources to install it.
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• 49[00:14:13] <n4dir> there is a gui way to do it, which takes care of dependencies, but i forgot the name of it
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• 52[00:14:25] <mandeep> format_c: everything in lmt looks fine
• 53[00:14:27] <Qas> n4dir, that's what I'm wondering. because there is already a higher version
• 54[00:14:33] <jelly> psychoticwarrior: before that neither apt nor any other frontend would know about the package
• 55[00:14:44] <n4dir> Qas: i think jellys idea is the better one
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• 58[00:14:56] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 59[00:14:56] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 60[00:14:56] <n4dir> Qas: i am not sure regarding your last question.
• 61[00:15:14] <psychoticwarrior> hmm
• 62[00:15:25] <psychoticwarrior> sounds like you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
• 63[00:15:32] <Qas> jelly, would adding them interfere with the proper running of stretch or its programs?
• 64[00:15:47] <jelly> Qas: possibly
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• 66[00:16:18] <jelly> but if you don't have any other choice, that's where you'd get libssl1.0.0 binary package from
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• 68[00:16:34] <Qas> how about dpkg -i install? would it be a safe option?
• 69[00:16:42] <jelly> it's less safe
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• 73[00:17:06] <Qas> ohh well
• 74[00:17:08] <jelly> because you're not even verifying the downloaded package is valid
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• 77[00:17:29] <jelly> at least with apt you're reasonably safe noone's tampered with it
• 78[00:18:01] <Qas> jelly do you mean unsafe for authentication reasons, or could it create conflicts even if it were authentic?
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• 81[00:18:19] <Qas> ok, just saw your last post
• 82[00:18:19] <n4dir> now that we have clear that it ain't a very good idea: i think gdebi was the name of the gui way to do it.
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• 85[00:19:03] <jelly> not sure if gdebi verifies where a package comes from
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• 88[00:19:59] <dury> hi there all
• 89[00:20:05] <Qas> but the download site is "packages.debian.org"..at least that much is safe, right?
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• 91[00:20:21] <jelly> no
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• 93[00:20:38] <jelly> apt-get install is safe (unless you've put in random keys)
• 94[00:20:54] <jelly> downloading a .deb via browser isn't safe, from any source
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• 99[00:21:56] <jelly> not unless you can verify its validity some other way (say, detached pgp signature from a trusted key, or signed checksum file)
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• 101[00:22:09] <Qas> I see
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• 103[00:23:10] <jelly> downloading from a replaced-url
• 104[00:24:07] <n4dir> i think another good reason to add a line to your sources.list is that it will get upgrades, if there are any. In general.
• 105[00:24:33] <jelly> as long as jessie gets updates
• 106[00:24:46] <Qas> what issues could arise from adding jessie repositories?
• 107[00:25:13] <jelly> you might be able to install obsolete packages that do not exist in stretch any more
• 108[00:25:15] <dury> who uses irssi
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• 110[00:26:10] <jelly> in fact your GOAL is to install one such package :-)
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• 112[00:26:48] <Qas> indeed.so it sounds like an advantage in case needed..but what could be the problem? because you replied above that it could interfere with proper operation of the current system
• 113[00:26:56] <jelly> Qas: sometimes, packages have alternative dependencies. You might install something down the line that picks up a dependency from jessie, and behaves in unexpected ways.
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• 115[00:27:19] <Qas> ah
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• 117[00:28:04] <n4dir> wouldn't be a bad idea to check if there is no alternative for the application you wanted in the first place (for which libssl1.0.0 is a dependency).
• 118[00:28:13] <n4dir> you probably did that already, just saying.
• 119[00:28:19] <Qas> but the problem would disappear as soon as I removed jessie repos from sources, right?
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• 123[00:29:21] <jelly> Qas: sure. But then you stop getting any possible updates for libssl1.0.0. This is reasonably fine if you're going to use the app built against libssl1.0.0 to only connect to trusted sites.
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• 125[00:29:57] <Qas> right
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• 129[00:30:54] <jelly> it wouldn't disappear if you'd already installed something, but you'd be able to detect such packages on your system
• 130[00:30:58] <jelly> !obsolete
• 131[00:30:58] <dpkg> If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
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• 133[00:31:33] <Qas> right, thank you :)
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• 135[00:31:50] <Qas> it confuses me, though..now I will get security updates both for jessie and stretch?
• 136[00:31:55] <jelly> yes
• 137[00:32:11] <Qas> will it not confuse debian? :)
• 138[00:32:11] <FlonnorMayGregor> how can I install this pacakge? replaced-url
• 139[00:32:46] <psychoticwarrior> why does everybody have problems installing packages
• 140[00:32:53] <psychoticwarrior> once in a while i have that problem
• 141[00:32:59] <FlonnorMayGregor> I got this in sources.list: deb replaced-url
• 142[00:33:02] <jelly> Qas: versions of everything in jessie are supposed to be strictly lower than versions of same packages in stretch
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• 144[00:33:18] <FlonnorMayGregor> I already did apt-get update, but it says there is no candidate for steamcmd
• 145[00:33:19] <Qas> jelly, ah, ok
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• 147[00:33:57] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: don't add sid sources to your debian installation, that leads to breaking things in ugly ways with 99% certainty
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• 149[00:34:14] <jelly> ,v steamcmd
• 150[00:34:15] <judd> No package named 'steamcmd' was found in amd64.
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• 153[00:34:35] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: no such package for 64bit debian. It might be 32bit-only.
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• 155[00:35:12] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: but first, best be safe and remove the deb line for sid, and rerun apt-get update
• 156[00:35:32] <FlonnorMayGregor> yeh
• 157[00:35:43] <jelly> ,v steamcmd --arch i386
• 158[00:35:44] <judd> Package: steamcmd on i386 -- buster/non-free: 0~20130205-1; sid/non-free: 0~20130205-1; stretch/non-free: 0~20130205-1
• 159[00:35:46] <FlonnorMayGregor> I just needed dpkg --add-architecture i386
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• 161[00:37:02] <Qas> jelly, do I need only "main" repos from jessie for libssl1.0.0?
• 162[00:37:36] <jelly> main is enough for that one yes
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• 164[00:37:58] <n4dir> main is very often enough. :-)
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• 169[00:38:53] <Qas> and without "deb-src.." ones?
• 170[00:39:08] <jelly> Qas: also sometimes, not very often, people from LTS project release a package for oldstable before it's released in stable. If you're lucky that way you might get, say, build of firefox-esr for jessie instead of stretch
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• 172[00:39:31] <jelly> deb-src are for sources, needed if you want to rebuild packages from source
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• 174[00:39:53] <jelly> not needed merely to get .debs
• 175[00:40:01] <Qas> ah, all right
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• 178[00:40:45] <Qas> do I need only "apt update" after adding jessie repos, or upgrade, too?
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• 180[00:41:19] <jelly> only update
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• 184[00:42:21] <jelly> you can try an "apt -s upgrade" and no package should be available from jessie
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• 186[00:43:08] <jelly> (it would mean a version of something was bigger in jessie than in stretch, and that should Never Happen™)
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• 191[00:44:39] <Qas> jelly, so I should run upgrades with -s from now on?
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• 193[00:45:24] <FlonnorMayGregor> why might this be failing: replaced-url
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• 195[00:45:48] <FlonnorMayGregor> I'm trying to install steamcmd into a debian container
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• 201[00:47:03] <jelly> Qas: once, before the real thing? Sure why not
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• 204[00:48:46] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: 1) why sid? 2) you're using noninteractive debconf frontend and it seems "steamcmd" package REALLY wants you to accept their clickthru license
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• 206[00:49:08] <FlonnorMayGregor> jelly: why not sid?
• 207[00:49:24] <FlonnorMayGregor> I don't see steamcmd package being anywhere else
• 208[00:49:32] <jelly> ,v steamcmd
• 209[00:49:33] <judd> No package named 'steamcmd' was found in amd64.
• 210[00:49:37] <jelly> ,v steamcmd --arch i386
• 211[00:49:38] <judd> Package: steamcmd on i386 -- buster/non-free: 0~20130205-1; sid/non-free: 0~20130205-1; stretch/non-free: 0~20130205-1
• 212[00:49:39] <FlonnorMayGregor> and also I just tried the DEBIAN_frontend THING
• 213[00:49:50] <jelly> it's present in stretch/non-free
• 214[00:50:25] <FlonnorMayGregor> I don't understand debian, what are wheezy and jessie and sid have to do with buster and stretch
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• 216[00:50:48] <jelly> debian 9 is the current release, codename stretch
• 217[00:50:57] <jelly> !buster
• 218[00:50:58] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
• 219[00:51:02] <jelly> !sid
• 220[00:51:02] <dpkg> from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
• 221[00:51:08] <jelly> um
• 222[00:51:10] <jelly> !unstable
• 223[00:51:10] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. replaced-url
• 224[00:51:16] <Qas> jelly, ok. I got the older libssl and installed the package that needed it, too..all works now..thank you so much jelly! thank you so much n4dir!
• 225[00:51:38] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: unless you have specific reasons to use the upload branch with all the newest packages, and all the newest breakage... go with stable.
• 226[00:51:53] <jelly> if you don't know, ... use stable
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• 229[00:53:14] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: that steamcmd package is special. Either you're going to install it in interactive mode, with a tty present, or you're going to have to preseed a positive answer to that question
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• 232[00:53:49] <jelly> debconf: falling back to frontend: Teletype
• 233[00:53:49] <jelly> Installation terminated: Steam License Agreement was DECLINED.
• 234[00:54:07] <jelly> that's what happens otherwise
• 235[00:54:23] <FlonnorMayGregor> there's no way to pass a yes without having to do it through the interactive thing?
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• 238[00:54:35] <FlonnorMayGregor> I've seen some --yes and --force-yes flags
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• 241[00:54:51] <FlonnorMayGregor> although seems --force-yes is deprecated and it's asking for some --allow flags
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• 243[00:54:54] <jelly> nope, you'll want to learn about preseed
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• 245[00:55:27] <jelly> and pick the entrails of that package to see which specific debconf question you need to preseed
• 246[00:55:34] <jelly> !preseed
• 247[00:55:34] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See replaced-url
• 248[00:56:39] <FlonnorMayGregor> you got to be kidding me
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• 250[00:57:19] <jelly> it's intentionally made to ask for an interactive confirmation
• 251[00:57:34] <jelly> shit like that doesn't happen in normal debian packages
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• 255[00:58:08] <jelly> if you want to work around it, they will make you suffer :-)
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• 257[00:58:55] <Qas> leaving now..have a good week! thank you again!
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• 259[00:59:10] <FlonnorMayGregor> "they will make you suffer"
• 260[00:59:13] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: if you have a way to ask docker to open a tty during creation of image, and press 1<Enter> there at the right moment, that might be the simplest thing to do, do what they want you to
• 261[00:59:30] <FlonnorMayGregor> why? are these a bunch a of kid developers we are talking about? this is a serious operating system
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• 263[00:59:41] <jelly> steamcmd is a non-free package
• 264[00:59:49] <jelly> it's not part of Debian
• 265[01:00:09] <jelly> Debian is basically allowed to redistribute it
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• 267[01:00:22] <jelly> and Debian is sure as hell not going to break the license for you
• 268[01:01:44] <jelly> oracle java installer does a very similar thing
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• 270[01:02:06] <AlwaysHigh> Hey whats the correct way to use ssh with a ipv6 ip
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• 272[01:02:21] <Dagger> with DNS
• 273[01:02:46] <AlwaysHigh> ssh -i key -p 22 user@0000:0000:0000:0:0000:0000:0000:0000/128
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• 275[01:03:16] <Dagger> `ssh ip` seems to work fine though
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• 277[01:03:26] <Dagger> /128 is the netmask, it's not part of the IP
• 278[01:03:31] <FlonnorMayGregor> break the license?
• 279[01:03:38] <FlonnorMayGregor> what are you talking about?
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• 281[01:03:42] <FlonnorMayGregor> dear god this is frustrating
• 282[01:03:54] <Dagger> also :: is the "any host" address. that's not the IP of the machine you're trying to connect to
• 283[01:04:00] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: it's a clickthru licence. You need to "click" you agree
• 284[01:04:14] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: your docker doesn't click on it at the right moment
• 285[01:04:57] <jelly> AlwaysHigh: ssh 2a02:...:abcd works for me.
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• 287[01:05:45] <FlonnorMayGregor> jelly: I understand what the problem is, I just cannot conceive that this doesn't have a way of being resolved with a simple command line flag or something
• 288[01:05:51] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: but since it's a debconf question, it might be enough to add an answer to that debconf question in advance
• 289[01:06:34] <FlonnorMayGregor> I just took a quick look at the preseeding stuff, and my rage increased. It seems like such an obscure solution
• 290[01:06:42] <FlonnorMayGregor> and not as simple
• 291[01:06:45] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: the questions are arbitrarily named and note it wants you to say 1 not y or Y
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• 293[01:07:08] <jelly> because then people would yes | apt-get install steamcmd
• 294[01:07:57] <jelly> kindly direct your rage toward Steam people, don't shoot the redistributor
• 295[01:08:15] <Dagger> if preseeding is anything like every other part of Debian's packaging, then yes, it'll be obscure and complicated and poorly documented and a pain to deal with
• 296[01:08:20] <FlonnorMayGregor> and? the important thing is that you agree with the license. Now that you manually click to agree with teh license
• 297[01:08:21] <Dagger> not that I'm annoyed by it or anything...
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• 299[01:09:10] <jelly> we all know clickthru licenses are crap and noone reads them
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• 301[01:09:41] <jelly> but someone's legal dept think they're really nifty
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• 304[01:10:50] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: now, I bet, armed with this knowledge you can google something like docker steamcmd debconf preseed and find a solution
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• 310[01:13:08] <psychoticwarrior> yes ipv6 is a 128 bit address
• 311[01:13:17] <psychoticwarrior> dont know too much else abou tit
• 312[01:13:20] <psychoticwarrior> i stick to ipv4
• 313[01:13:43] <Dagger> most of your v4 knowledge carries over. it's not much different
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• 317[01:16:00] <jelly> FlonnorMayGregor: like these people who do curl and sh for steamcmd: replaced-url
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• 330[01:20:46] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: yeah, I know about get-default, but it tells me default instead of what the current target is
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• 339[01:22:51] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: no, it only had localhost, and I added enp0s31f6
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• 343[01:25:08] <allan_wind> so with my packet loss that I see with multi-user and later targets, but not when I boot recovery and manually enable my interface... so next step is to start each service manually, right?
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• 353[01:26:56] <jelly> allan_wind: right. Are you aware of the term "binary search"?
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• 383[01:46:52] <bubal> Hi, I'm trying to install the GNU scientific library on debian jessie, and it says "Package 'gsl' has no installation candidate", I'm quite new to linux and it's the first time I see this
• 384[01:46:57] <bubal> what does it mean?
• 385[01:47:42] <bubal> I mean, it's not like when I misspell something...
• 386[01:48:08] <bubal> (by the way, I'm not an english speaker so sorry for my orthography)
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• 389[01:50:27] <LtL> bubal: check this out, replaced-url
• 390[01:50:45] <jellycode> Are there any community package repositories for debian packages which people actually use/trust? Like repoforge used to be for RPM's?
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• 393[01:51:50] <LtL> bubal: i gave you stretch, here is jessie, replaced-url
• 394[01:51:54] <annadane> it looks like what bubal wants is gsl-bin, can anyone confirm?
• 395[01:52:54] <bubal> i don't really know if I need the bin one, or the dev one
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• 397[01:53:07] <bubal> ( or whatever )
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• 399[01:53:37] <bubal> thank you LtL, but i have already seen your link, the problem is that I don't really now what does each package
• 400[01:53:43] <skullyfckr> test
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• 402[01:54:20] <LtL> bubal: apt-cache show <packagename>
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• 412[01:56:43] <bubal> I need the GSL in orther to compile and run another software
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• 417[01:59:16] <annadane> actually it likely is not bin
• 418[02:00:48] <bubal> what is bin for?
• 419[02:00:59] <bubal> (thank you for your time by the way)
• 420[02:01:06] <annadane> binary
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• 423[02:01:42] <annadane> ok, well, hold on, there must be a simple solution to this
• 424[02:02:14] <LtL> bubal: replaced-url
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• 426[02:02:44] <annadane> yes that's on the gnu site but i'm trying to find the debian package
• 427[02:04:01] <LtL> bubal: replaced-url
• 428[02:04:06] <jelly> annadane: apt-cache showsrc gsl
• 429[02:04:21] <bubal> I suppose I can download it from the GNU site and compile it, but as I am quite new, I was wondering if I could install it with apt-get, and now, trying to understand what does it mean the answer I got
• 430[02:04:59] <jelly> bubal: or just install whatever's in debian and see if it works
• 431[02:05:16] <jelly> ,i libgsl-dev
• 432[02:05:18] <judd> Package libgsl-dev (libdevel, optional) in stretch/amd64: GNU Scientific Library (GSL) -- development package. Version: 2.3+dfsg-1; Size: 968.8k; Installed: 6356k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 433[02:05:29] <jelly> ,i gsl-bin
• 434[02:05:30] <judd> Package gsl-bin (math, optional) in stretch/amd64: GNU Scientific Library (GSL) -- binary package. Version: 2.3+dfsg-1; Size: 28.1k; Installed: 62k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 435[02:05:38] <jelly> that's... not very descriptive
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• 441[02:06:24] <bubal> thanks jelly, that's what I thinkg Im going to do...
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• 443[02:06:36] <jelly> bubal: apt-cache show gsl-bin ... shows a bit longer description
• 444[02:07:09] <jelly> ,v gsl-doc-pdf
• 445[02:07:10] <judd> Package: gsl-doc-pdf on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.15-1; jessie/non-free: 1.16-1; stretch/non-free: 1.16-1; buster/non-free: 2.3-1; sid/non-free: 2.3-1
• 446[02:07:16] <jelly> yay, non free docs
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• 448[02:07:25] <crippledmonk> would doing apt install gambas3-gb-gsl give the intended result:
• 449[02:07:42] <annadane> this is silly
• 450[02:08:13] <annadane> i had found this replaced-url
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• 452[02:08:38] <annadane> "This package provides the shared libraries required to run programs compiled with GNU GSL. To compile your own programs you also need to install libgsl0-dev."
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• 456[02:09:05] <jelly> that's what -dev package are for
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• 458[02:09:53] <bubal> I don't understand, I made the apt-cache show gsl-bin, and it says that it replaces gsl, but also says "conflicts: gsl"
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• 460[02:10:25] <jelly> you don't have to care about that, just install libgsl-dev and be on your merry way
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• 463[02:10:34] <annadane> that's normal
• 464[02:10:49] <bubal> and in the end it says it provides several binary examples... ( several? does it replace at all or not?)
• 465[02:10:55] <bubal> ok... I'm gonna do that so
• 466[02:11:06] <bubal> thank you both
• 467[02:11:09] <annadane> good team effort guys :P
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• 476[02:14:30] <bubal> bye
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• 478[02:14:42] <jelly> !next
• 479[02:14:42] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 480[02:14:53] <allan_wind> :-)
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• 517[02:33:05] <Frosh> Hi, 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 (2017-08-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux has trouble connecting to certain wireless, not sure what the issue is
• 518[02:33:28] <Frosh> I'm able to connect to the hotspot, but the laptop doesn't get an ip address
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• 520[02:33:38] <Frosh> the phone recognizes a connection
• 521[02:34:14] <Frosh> not sure how I can troubleshoot it
• 522[02:35:06] <allan_wind> anything in syslog?
• 523[02:35:16] <allan_wind> are you running the dhcp server?
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• 525[02:36:06] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: more than one target will be active at a time, for example graphical.target depends on multi-user.target, so if graphical.target is active, so is multi-user.target. 'systemctl list-units --type=target --state=active' will show all the current active targets. You can also check if a specific target is active the same way you would for a service, 'systemctl status graphical.target'.
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• 527[02:36:50] <Frosh> allan_wind: replaced-url
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• 529[02:36:51] <jmcnaught> so there really isn't a 'current target', there's only the default target which init will activate unless told otherwise
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• 531[02:37:16] <Frosh> allan_wind: the phone usually gives the ip address, at least for windows machine
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• 534[02:38:15] <Frosh> not sure how else to troubleshoot
• 535[02:38:17] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: so how does recovery mode tell systemd to do less than default?
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• 537[02:38:37] <allan_wind> Frosh: confused... are you saying the top is working or not?
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• 539[02:39:06] <Frosh> allan_wind: top for?
• 540[02:39:31] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: it activates the rescue.target. You can look at 'systemctl list-dependencies rescue.target' and compare that to the same command for multi-user.target and graphical.target for example
• 541[02:39:43] <Frosh> My issue is this laptop doesn't connect to other wireless that windows can
• 542[02:39:56] <allan_wind> allan_wind: link you said has two sections, it looks to me like 1st (top) is working and 2nd section is not
• 543[02:40:03] <allan_wind> (which contradicts your comment)
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• 545[02:40:19] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: great
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• 547[02:42:10] <allan_wind> Frost: sorry, that comment was for you and not myself obviously
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• 549[02:42:45] <jmcnaught> Frosh: are you using NetworkManager?
• 550[02:42:46] <Frosh> the first one doesn't work, on the hotspot
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• 552[02:43:11] <allan_wind> Frost: is hotspot know to work with other device?
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• 556[02:44:27] <Frosh> yes, every windows machine, even macs
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• 558[02:44:42] <Frosh> i use it to hotspot user to test vpn
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• 563[02:45:02] <Frosh> but this debian version doesn't seem to work
• 564[02:45:18] <Frosh> could I be missing or need to reinitiate a service?
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• 566[02:45:33] <psychoticwarrior> dpkg --configure -a
• 567[02:45:34] <dpkg> psychoticwarrior: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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• 572[02:45:55] <psychoticwarrior> oh ok
• 573[02:45:58] <psychoticwarrior> dont know to much about that one
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• 579[02:46:30] <Frosh> allan_wind: I'm on KDE
• 580[02:46:32] <Frosh> plasma
• 581[02:46:40] <allan_wind> Frosh: the host you have problem connecting with is that working with other wifi routers?
• 582[02:46:47] <Frosh> they have something called connection editor
• 583[02:47:56] <Frosh> I tried wpa2/enterprise at work, nothing
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• 585[02:48:27] <Frosh> i tried a random free wifi, where I had to activate through browser, it worked
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• 587[02:49:00] <jmcnaught> Frosh: is your computer missing a non-free firmware? 'journalctl | grep -i firmware' should show you
• 588[02:49:02] <allan_wind> Frosh: do you logs from when you had a working connection showing the ip being set?
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• 593[02:53:57] <Frosh> replaced-url
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• 598[02:56:17] <allan_wind> Forst: I don't see any ip being set in those logs. Maybe look into messages? Also, does dmesg show crashes? My computer was with that firmware
• 599[02:56:23] <jmcnaught> Frosh: it looks like a firmware is successfully loaded for your wifi on lines 15-16
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• 601[02:57:36] <jmcnaught> Frosh: I also see messages about trying to load firmware for your Intel GPU. Do you have firmware-misc-nonfree installed?
• 602[02:58:09] <jmcnaught> if your hardware is new enough to need firmware for an Intel GPU, you might have more success using a newer kernel from stretch-backports
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• 607[03:00:21] <Frosh> brb, gonna reboot after running apt-get install firmware-misc-nonfree
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• 615[03:03:18] <allan_wind> Frost: I don't think it is firmware if wifi works on some routers but not others
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• 625[03:06:36] <Frosh> nope, didn't solve
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• 628[03:07:12] <Frosh> allan_wind: was there something else you wanted me to try or gather data?
• 629[03:07:35] <allan_wind> Frosh: well, I want to see the log events that has to do with getting the ip (i.e. dhcp)
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• 644[03:11:17] <bamb> how can i set LD_LIBRARY_PATH for ALL programs on my system?
• 645[03:11:26] <bamb> even if they are run by other users
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• 649[03:13:23] <allan_wind> bamb: /etc/environ?
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• 651[03:13:39] <allan_wind> bamb: /etc/environment?
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• 653[03:15:01] <bamb> this has to be available at boot also
• 654[03:15:13] <Frosh> allan_wind: replaced-url
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• 656[03:15:48] <Frosh> allan_wind: slightly below, it stops trying and then goes to connect to the one that works
• 657[03:15:53] <KNERD> Frosh: /etc/bash.bashrc is the place to set system-wide bash configurations.
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• 659[03:16:55] <KNERD> Frosh: you pasted a log, not /etc/environment
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• 661[03:17:25] <allan_wind> Frosh: yeah, that's what I would want to compare
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• 663[03:17:30] <KNERD> ohpp..swront person
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• 666[03:18:18] <daishun> Can someone help me with a bash function? replaced-url
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• 668[03:19:06] <allan_wind> daishun: what is the problem}
• 669[03:19:07] <allan_wind> ?
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• 671[03:19:18] <daishun> problem is explained in the link
• 672[03:19:41] <daishun> trying to get a variable $count to show after exiting a piped shell
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• 674[03:19:54] <Texsian> hi all
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• 676[03:20:37] <daishun> someone is saying to use a here string to re-write the while loop to be in the main shell process but I don't understand what this is
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• 678[03:21:58] <jelly> running a new awk process for each line is going to be very expensive
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• 682[03:22:54] <allan_wind> daishun: not sure... can you try define cout before the loop? as you are using awk anyways, you can use $NR to get count
• 683[03:23:16] <allan_wind> (in the print statement and just process all records)
• 684[03:23:25] <jelly> daishun: use awk to count. Where does ldiv come from.
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• 686[03:24:14] <daishun> thats a global variable, not relevant here
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• 688[03:24:33] <daishun> how does awk count?
• 689[03:24:49] <jelly> automatically.
• 690[03:24:50] <allan_wind> daishun: one way, is to assign result to variable, then print that through wc. It has multiple automatic variables that keep record counts
• 691[03:26:04] <jelly> printf 'a\nb\nc\n' | awk 'END {print NR " lines."}'
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• 696[03:28:09] <daishun> ok, let me see
• 697[03:28:10] <allan_wind> daishun: what jelly said, and another block to process each line
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• 700[03:28:38] <jelly> what another block
• 701[03:29:15] <allan_wind> printf 'a\nb\nc\n' | awk '{ print NR }; END {print NR " lines."}'
• 702[03:29:15] <allan_wind>
• 703[03:29:18] <jelly> daishun: where do you call printRecords() from? What do you want to do with the count result?
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• 705[03:29:46] <jelly> does current awk output have to be on stdout?
• 706[03:30:32] <daishun> printRecords is called from several functions. The results are usually sent to less or just stdout
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• 708[03:31:08] <daishun> the whole function is piped to less
• 709[03:31:09] <jelly> is the total count actually used anywhere after printRecords() is called?
• 710[03:31:26] <daishun> no, just echoed to the screen at the end of the lines
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• 712[03:31:37] <jelly> then sure, replace the whole thing with awk
• 713[03:32:21] <daishun> I just finished a tutorial on youtube learning bash but then I got stuck after refactoring the code with this.
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• 715[03:33:20] <allan_wind> Frosh: I suggest you compare the working example with one that fails and identify where they differ line by line
• 716[03:34:03] <Frosh> allan_wind: how would I go about resolution
• 717[03:34:13] <Frosh> I could be missing some firmware?
• 718[03:34:14] <jelly> daishun: replaced-url
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• 720[03:34:48] <Frosh> allan_wind: should I do replaced-url
• 721[03:34:54] <allan_wind> Frosh: anything is possible but I would suggest splitting the working and non-working log into two files, then open each in an editor side by side
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• 723[03:35:55] <Frosh> Another problem I have is ndiff is either packaged wrong for this version or something
• 724[03:36:01] <allan_wind> Frosh: you were loading .22, if I recall, and you did not tell me if that was crashing for you as would be reporting in dmesg
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• 726[03:36:34] <jelly> daishun: passing $ldiv into awk just to be printed out at the END {} could be avoided, if you're allowed to change order of the output
• 727[03:36:46] <Frosh> allan_wind: what do you mean by crashing?
• 728[03:36:55] <Frosh> allan_wind: do you want me to just run dmesg?
• 729[03:37:24] <allan_wind> Frosh: yeah, it will tell you if there any kernel ops, dmesg -T will give you useful timestamps
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• 734[03:38:18] <allan_wind> Frosh: as it is working for some routers, I think it is something specific to that (and not firmware which would I would expect to either work or fail for all)
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• 736[03:38:46] <daishun> @jelly if I do it like in your pastebin link then it prints on every line around the while loop
• 737[03:38:47] <Frosh> brb, gonna disconnect and connect
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• 739[03:39:18] <daishun> problem is that awk is in a while loop
• 740[03:39:29] <allan_wind> daishun: awk replaces the while loop
• 741[03:39:46] <jelly> there is no while loop any more
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• 744[03:40:14] <jelly> awk is made to read one or more lines from input and do stuff with them
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• 747[03:40:57] <jelly> it's exactly the thing awk is good at
• 748[03:41:32] <jelly> daishun: note how it even has a default variable named NR that stands for, well, Number of Records
• 749[03:42:04] <jelly> builtin* variable
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• 751[03:42:29] <Frosh> allan_wind: replaced-url
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• 753[03:42:53] <jelly> daishun: or did you want a global counter working with with multiple calls of this function
• 754[03:43:07] <daishun> I'm confused. I'm just going to put the whole thing on pastebin with the new code
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• 757[03:44:34] <daishun> replaced-url
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• 759[03:44:54] <daishun> It's just for learning. The program is pretty useless irl.
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• 761[03:45:49] <KNERD> Is there a driver I need to use for a Prolific USB to TTL serial cable? Using dmesg | grep tty I can see it has been attached as /dev/ttyUSB0, but when I try to connect using Putty, or screen, it fails to connect indicating it cannot be found
• 762[03:45:59] <daishun> @jelly, no not global counter. just per function call
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• 765[03:47:22] <daishun> It's working now :)
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• 768[03:47:43] <allan_wind> Frosh: Maybe look into DEAUTH_LEAVING
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• 770[03:47:44] <jelly> then you probably want to learn how to do it completely without awk as well
• 771[03:48:45] <daishun> I am most interested in knowing how I can return a variable from a subshell to the calling shell after the subshell exits
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• 774[03:50:00] <allan_wind> daishun: did you try declare variable outside loop and pass it in? Maybe use export?
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• 777[03:50:54] <cdchapm2> hi guys i blue it
• 778[03:51:00] <cdchapm2> does anyone have a default .prifle
• 779[03:51:06] <cdchapm2> er, ~/.profile on hand
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• 781[03:51:34] <allan_wind> cdchapm2: look in /etc/skel
• 782[03:51:34] <daishun> I am going to have to try this tomorrow. I just noticed it's almost 10pm and I have to be up at 4
• 783[03:51:50] <cdchapm2> allan_wind: thanks
• 784[03:52:07] <cdchapm2> allan_wind: didn't know about that dir
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• 786[03:52:12] <daishun> Thanks for your help guys. I'll be back on chat tomorrow. Have to sleep.
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• 847[04:28:38] <DrDamnit> what happened to saslauthd in Debian Stretch? Was it renamed? Trying to setup postfix + MySQL authentication and I need it (or a replacement).
• 848[04:29:31] <annadane> ,v saslauthd
• 849[04:29:32] <judd> No package named 'saslauthd' was found in amd64.
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• 853[04:29:56] <DrDamnit> found it.
• 854[04:30:01] <DrDamnit> sasl2-bin
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• 861[04:33:40] <annadane> weird how it doesn't show up on the tracker
• 862[04:34:15] <annadane> under the name saslauthd anyway, guess it doesn't deal with renaming
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• 906[04:57:17] <excelsiora> hi!
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• 913[04:58:19] <excelsiora> any tips?
• 914[04:58:34] <aging> you want a tip?
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• 919[05:00:31] <mandeep> how can i downgrade libreoffice on stretch?
• 920[05:00:37] <mandeep> afaik it's tied to gnome
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• 922[05:01:35] <aging> sudo apt-get install <package-name>=<package-version-number> OR
• 923[05:01:35] <aging> sudo apt-get -t=<target release> install <package-name>
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• 925[05:02:15] <aging> apt-get the package version you want
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• 928[05:02:30] <mandeep> aging: wont it be different for libreoffice
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• 930[05:02:46] <aging> why?
• 931[05:02:51] <aging> libre comes w/debian
• 932[05:03:01] <aging> should be ez
• 933[05:03:29] <mandeep> there's only one version in the stretch sources right
• 934[05:03:31] <aging> i always liked apache openoffice better
• 935[05:03:44] <mandeep> libreoffice 4 was so good but 5 is horrendous
• 936[05:03:45] <aging> i dunno never downgraded
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• 938[05:04:04] <aging> u can find the pkg/version probably anywhere
• 939[05:04:17] <mandeep> i have the ver but it's not in apt
• 940[05:04:20] <mandeep> or stretch sources
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• 942[05:04:32] <aging> use dpkg then
• 943[05:04:38] <mandeep> explain
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• 945[05:04:52] <mandeep> install from source?
• 946[05:05:09] <aging> replaced-url
• 947[05:05:11] <aging> no
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• 949[05:05:31] <aging> oh u just have the version #, not the file?
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• 951[05:05:35] <mandeep> right
• 952[05:05:42] <aging> dpkg is for if you have the .deb
• 953[05:05:42] <dpkg> aging: i haven't a clue
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• 955[05:05:50] <mandeep> dont have the .deb
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• 957[05:05:53] <aging> shutup dpkg
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• 959[05:05:59] <aging> get the deb
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• 963[05:07:30] <mandeep> aging: the problem with that is that there are so many core libs that i would have to dl each one
• 964[05:08:17] <aging> pkg management doesnt suggest and or get them too?
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• 966[05:08:42] <mandeep> no because i have higher versions on the system
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• 968[05:09:01] <aging> welp, thats all i got ;]
• 969[05:09:07] <mandeep> no worries
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• 971[05:09:13] <aging> i'm new to linux
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• 973[05:09:32] <aging> try openoffice! =)
• 974[05:09:46] <excelsiora> I want a tip!
• 975[05:09:55] <aging> old libres replaced-url
• 976[05:10:05] <aging> dont eat yellow
• 977[05:10:35] <excelsiora> *eats the yellow*
• 978[05:10:39] <aging> dont eat rgb(255,255,0)
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• 980[05:10:44] <aging> lol@me
• 981[05:10:58] <aging> and you
• 982[05:11:03] <excelsiora> \033[33m
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• 984[05:11:18] <aging> is that for bash?
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• 986[05:11:48] <excelsiora> I presume it works for all shells if you echo it right...
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• 988[05:12:18] <excelsiora> *my* question is does it work for dash, fish, et al
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• 990[05:12:32] <excelsiora> and what about \e?
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• 996[05:14:54] <allan_wind> so my packet loss issue appears to be caused by avahi-daemon... any ideas?
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• 998[05:15:25] <excelsiora> \033[0m how about exorcism?
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• 1000[05:16:46] <tyho> How can I report a bug with bttracker.debian.org?
• 1001[05:17:49] <allan_wind> reportbug is usually how you report bugs
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• 1051[05:52:06] <Cosmophile> somewhat peculiar question.
• 1052[05:52:19] <Cosmophile> I have a Dell Dimension L866r with a Pentium 3.
• 1053[05:52:24] <Cosmophile> I put debian minimal on it.
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• 1055[05:52:50] <Cosmophile> Problem I'm having, is it only displays 640x480 with i3wm when my monitor supports 640x480
• 1056[05:52:59] <Cosmophile> Problem I'm having, is it only displays 640x480 with i3wm when my monitor supports 800x600*
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• 1058[05:54:11] <allan_wind> sounds like vesa driver... what does the machine have for graphics (card)?
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• 1060[05:54:35] <allan_wind> lspci will probably tell you
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• 1062[05:55:10] <psychoticwarrior> lspci
• 1063[05:55:11] <psychoticwarrior> lsusb
• 1064[05:55:14] <psychoticwarrior> good commands
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• 1066[05:57:42] <aging> dont forget ls!
• 1067[05:58:02] <psychoticwarrior> haha
• 1068[05:58:03] <psychoticwarrior> yea
• 1069[05:58:09] <psychoticwarrior> ls -a -l
• 1070[05:58:30] <psychoticwarrior> chmod u=rwx,g=rw,o=r windowsblowes.exe
• 1071[05:58:37] <aging> is k3b worth all the additional libs?!
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• 1073[05:58:54] <psychoticwarrior> what do you mean?
• 1074[05:59:02] <aging> i dont run kde
• 1075[05:59:18] <psychoticwarrior> yea neither do I
• 1076[05:59:27] <aging> it requires A LOT of em
• 1077[05:59:29] <psychoticwarrior> what do you think of fluxbox
• 1078[05:59:40] <aging> only desktop to use
• 1079[05:59:46] <aging> if any
• 1080[05:59:48] <jmcnaught> aging: what do those libs hurt?
• 1081[05:59:55] <aging> nothing jmc
• 1082[06:00:30] <jmcnaught> usually not worth worrying about libraries as dependencies
• 1083[06:00:47] <aging> BUT THE REVIEW SAID!
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• 1086[06:01:04] <jmcnaught> who cares if a program needs a few dozen or even a couple hundred MB of libraries?
• 1087[06:01:12] <aging> 800MB
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• 1093[06:04:59] <aging> psychotic how many submenus do you have off your fluxbox menu?
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• 1095[06:05:32] <psychoticwarrior> im not sure if im even using fluxbox
• 1096[06:05:35] <psychoticwarrior> i dont think i am
• 1097[06:05:48] <psychoticwarrior> im using X11 i know
• 1098[06:05:56] <psychoticwarrior> not sure what Desktop environment im using
• 1099[06:05:59] <aging> lol
• 1100[06:06:05] <psychoticwarrior> dont mean to sound like an idiot
• 1101[06:06:45] <aging> type $DESKTOP_SESSION in console
• 1102[06:07:08] <psychoticwarrior> im using gnome
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• 1105[06:08:02] <psychoticwarrior> gnomes ok
• 1106[06:08:08] <aging> too much for me
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• 1108[06:08:40] <psychoticwarrior> yea i hear ya
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• 1110[06:09:39] <psychoticwarrior> i started listening to this all female metal group called kittie
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• 1112[06:09:46] <psychoticwarrior> sounds k
• 1113[06:09:48] <psychoticwarrior> ok
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• 1115[06:10:52] <jmcnaught> psychoticwarrior: we try to keep this channel reserved for Debian tech support. If you want to chat, there's #debian-offtopic.
• 1116[06:10:56] <aging> replaced-url
• 1117[06:11:09] <psychoticwarrior> ok my bad
• 1118[06:11:25] <aging> moderated!
• 1119[06:12:10] <psychoticwarrior> sick desktop
• 1120[06:12:15] <aging> lol
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• 1122[06:12:21] <psychoticwarrior> mine is kinda plain
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• 1124[06:13:46] <elios> ppl still using fluxbox with conky? nice!
• 1125[06:13:53] <psychoticwarrior> fluxbox is pretty good
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• 1127[06:14:08] <psychoticwarrior> im using kali too
• 1128[06:14:13] <aging> im not
• 1129[06:14:17] <elios> yeah i liked it too
• 1130[06:14:27] <aging> why kali when there's debian?
• 1131[06:14:42] <psychoticwarrior> kali owns
• 1132[06:14:57] <aging> take it to #kali =p
• 1133[06:15:09] <psychoticwarrior> no one is talking there
• 1134[06:15:25] <klys> (no one is talking about debian there)
• 1135[06:15:39] <aging> theyre trying to steal their neighbors' wifi with HXR TLZ
• 1136[06:16:05] <psychoticwarrior> hhaa
• 1137[06:16:06] <psychoticwarrior> haha
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• 1140[06:16:46] <psychoticwarrior> yes they are
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• 1149[06:22:08] <Shmam> How do I remove something from soures.list.d? It's a directory not a file like sources.list.
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• 1160[06:25:38] <beef8008> just remove the .list file of the ppa you want gone?
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• 1172[06:31:38] <Shmam> beef8008: k going to try that
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• 1192[06:42:02] <beef8008> shamam: if it had a key associated you can also remove it with 'apt-key list' then 'apt-key del <keyID>'
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• 1199[06:44:19] <Yaser_Amiri1> Hi, I have a system that runs a captive portal. It's captive portal creates a tun interface (for example tun0). I want to realize that this tun interface connected to witch physical interface. is it possible?
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• 1256[07:06:17] <Shmam> Can someone help me install this: replaced-url
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• 1258[07:06:33] <Shmam> do I wget it and then ./configure and sudo make install?
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• 1260[07:07:22] <jmcnaught> ,i xserver-xorg-input-libinput
• 1261[07:07:24] <judd> Package xserver-xorg-input-libinput (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: X.Org X server -- libinput input driver. Version: 0.23.0-2; Size: 50.5k; Installed: 117k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1262[07:07:54] <jmcnaught> Shmam: why not simply install the package. It's not already installed for you?
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• 1265[07:08:29] <Shmam> I tried "sudo apt-get install xf86-input-libinput" But the package was not found
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• 1267[07:08:56] <jmcnaught> because Debian does not use the same naming scheme for packages that Arch does
• 1268[07:09:37] <jmcnaught> what are you trying to do?
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• 1270[07:10:08] <Shmam> trying to install xf86-input-libinput
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• 1272[07:10:59] <jmcnaught> it's named xserver-xorg-input-libinput on Debian
• 1273[07:11:47] <Shmam> oh. How did you know that? Just wondering so I know for next time
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• 1277[07:12:26] <jmcnaught> one way to find out would be 'apt-cache search --names-only libinput'
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• 1280[07:13:33] <Shmam> oh so that searched through all apt packages for libinput? Cool
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• 1288[07:14:28] <Shmam> So I'm still having the following problem: "$ libinput $ bash: libinput: command not found"
• 1289[07:15:07] <jmcnaught> is there a libinput command?
• 1290[07:15:39] <Shmam> replaced-url
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• 1292[07:16:02] <felicity> hi
• 1293[07:16:11] <Shmam> maybe the wiki is out of date
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• 1295[07:16:16] <themill> ,i libinput-bin
• 1296[07:16:18] <judd> Package libinput-bin (libs, optional) in stretch/amd64: input device management and event handling library - udev quirks. Version: 1.6.3-1; Size: 10.9k; Installed: 48k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1297[07:16:44] <themill> Shmam: Arch ≠ Debian... the wiki isn't out of date, it's for a completely different set of packages
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• 1300[07:17:01] <themill> ,i libinput-tools
• 1301[07:17:02] <judd> Package libinput-tools (libdevel, extra) in stretch/amd64: input device management and event handling library - command line tools. Version: 1.6.3-1; Size: 20.8k; Installed: 86k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1302[07:17:20] <Shmam> oooo
• 1303[07:17:53] <hexnewbie> If resolv.conf gets overwritten, why doesn't ‘man interfaces’ tell me how to specify DNS?
• 1304[07:18:20] <Shmam> judd: I have libinput-tools installed
• 1305[07:18:21] <judd> No package named 'have' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 1306[07:18:39] <Shmam> o
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• 1308[07:18:46] <Shmam> is that a bot lol
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• 1311[07:19:54] <hexnewbie> Shmam: The package libinput-tools has a binary called libinput-list-devices (not libinput)
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• 1313[07:21:13] <Shmam> oh boy! thanks :)
• 1314[07:21:21] <Shmam> how did you figure that out?
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• 1316[07:21:52] <Shmam> just trying to learn things for next time
• 1317[07:22:20] <hexnewbie> Shmam: Through the Debian site (replaced-url
• 1318[07:23:10] <Shmam> so .1.gz is a bin file?
• 1319[07:23:33] <Shmam> or is .1 a bin file and .gz is compression?
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• 1321[07:24:00] <hexnewbie> By bin I meant executable. The .1.gz file is compressed man page/documnetation (it's binary technically, but not what I meant)
• 1322[07:24:24] <hexnewbie> /usr/bin/libinput-list-devices
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• 1326[07:26:56] <Shmam> oh cool so everything in /usr/bin is a command. So I can "ls | grep libinput" to see all libinput commands
• 1327[07:27:35] <psychoticwarrior> yea /bin is executable too i think
• 1328[07:28:21] <aging> ls libinput
• 1329[07:28:33] <aging> ls libinput*
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• 1331[07:29:21] <Shmam> yeah that works too.
• 1332[07:29:50] <Shmam> WOAH so you can use different drivers (libinput/synaptics) for different devices all on the same computer???
• 1333[07:30:00] <aging> =)
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• 1335[07:30:30] <Shmam> so glad that I put debian+KDE on my new laptop instead of W10
• 1336[07:30:40] <psychoticwarrior> yea im running gnome
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• 1339[07:31:14] <aging> you just figured that out!
• 1340[07:31:35] <Shmam> what's the deal with gnome? it's getting removed in ubuntu 17.x right?
• 1341[07:31:52] <tx> ?
• 1342[07:32:03] <tx> It has not been default for a long time in ubuntu
• 1343[07:32:09] <tx> also, wrong channel.
• 1344[07:32:17] <aging> what *is* the deal with gnome
• 1345[07:32:17] <Shmam> Yeah just realized that
• 1346[07:32:22] <tx> ah :)
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• 1353[07:34:58] <Shmam> so looking at configuration for libinput, I don't have this dir: 'xorg.conf.d/' in /etc/X11/. Should I just create it?
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• 1357[07:37:07] <aging> ick i remember xorg from slackware
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• 1360[07:38:05] <Shmam> Also what exactly is xorg and what is wayland? From what I know, I'm running xorg but I don't really know what it is or what it does
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• 1363[07:39:01] <aging> the daemon for your GUI
• 1364[07:39:46] <aging> sudo service --status-all (to show all the DEMONS)
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• 1366[07:40:24] <aging> netstat -atnp is the bestest watcher
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• 1368[07:41:22] <Shmam> is x11-common xorg 11?
• 1369[07:42:28] <aging> ya version of X
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• 1371[07:42:57] <Shmam> oh cool
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• 1373[07:43:18] <Shmam> Anyways, I must be going. thanks for all that you guys taught me today!
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• 1407[08:07:38] <xcl> Hello
• 1408[08:08:05] <klys> hi
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• 1413[08:11:18] <psychoticwarrior> whats goin gon
• 1414[08:11:25] <psychoticwarrior> how are you guys
• 1415[08:11:38] <arosusi> Does anyone use Polari on Debian (/testing)? It does not work for me. Polari can't connect to any server.
• 1416[08:11:55] <arosusi> It says: can't connect due to network error.
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• 1418[08:12:01] <arosusi> Does Emphaty tries to use the HTTP proxy specified in gnome-control-center? I cant figure out why it is not working.
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• 1512[09:25:02] <cr1t1cal> my sound is not working. all my sound cards have been detected. I reinstalled alsa/pulseaudio a bunch of times. Its not a hardware issue because i dual boot and sound works fine on windows.
• 1513[09:25:15] <cr1t1cal> is there anything else I may do?
• 1514[09:25:23] <cr1t1cal> also, sound is not muted
• 1515[09:25:25] <cr1t1cal> volume is at max
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• 1518[09:26:10] <format_c> cr1t1cal, start simple
• 1519[09:26:17] <format_c> Do you have a WAV file?
• 1520[09:26:20] <format_c> or PCM
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• 1522[09:26:33] <cr1t1cal> i have youtube
• 1523[09:26:44] <cr1t1cal> that's all i need for testing
• 1524[09:26:57] <cr1t1cal> format_c ^
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• 1526[09:27:27] <format_c> in case of sound issues, you'd start from the very basic and test with aplay if a simple WAV file can be played
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• 1528[09:27:39] <format_c> There're sure some samples on the net
• 1529[09:28:50] <cr1t1cal> i got mp3?
• 1530[09:28:53] <cr1t1cal> that doesnt work
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• 1545[09:34:56] <format_c> calling alsamixer, is the correct soundcard detected and is any channel (PCM or Master) on mute?
• 1546[09:35:42] <cr1t1cal> definitely detected
• 1547[09:35:51] <cr1t1cal> how to check if on mute?
• 1548[09:35:55] <cr1t1cal> even though it shouldn't bve
• 1549[09:36:21] <format_c> at the bottom "MM" appears instead of the volume level
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• 1551[09:36:53] <cr1t1cal> well fuck me xd
• 1552[09:37:00] <cr1t1cal> and how do I unmute?
• 1553[09:37:03] <cr1t1cal> *sigh*
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• 1555[09:37:16] <format_c> press M
• 1556[09:37:21] <format_c> when the channel is selected
• 1557[09:37:24] <cr1t1cal> yup
• 1558[09:37:26] <cr1t1cal> done
• 1559[09:37:28] <cr1t1cal> format_c: thanks
• 1560[09:37:32] <format_c> Escape
• 1561[09:37:36] <format_c> to close the mixer
• 1562[09:37:44] <cr1t1cal> yupyup got it
• 1563[09:37:50] <cr1t1cal> you saved potential hours ;)
• 1564[09:37:50] <format_c> does it work now?
• 1565[09:38:08] <cr1t1cal> yeah
• 1566[09:38:08] <format_c> perfect. Tripped into the same trap some time ago
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• 1568[09:38:19] <cr1t1cal> lol
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• 1703[10:51:09] <mcfrisk> Hi, have debian debug symbol packages changed name or disappeared to some other package repo?
• 1704[10:51:35] <format_c> for which package?
• 1705[10:51:40] <mcfrisk> libmlt6
• 1706[10:52:00] <format_c> libmlt-dbg ?
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• 1709[10:52:43] <mcfrisk> format_c: only version 6.4.1-4 is available, not 6.4.1-5+b1
• 1710[10:52:55] <mcfrisk> and apt complains about that
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• 1713[10:54:20] <mcfrisk> ah sorry, replaced-url
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• 1715[10:54:33] <mcfrisk> but why would anyone drop the debug symbol package?
• 1716[10:54:36] <format_c> ah OK
• 1717[10:55:01] <format_c> Good question. Maybe reaching out to the upstream developers ?
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• 1731[10:59:12] <Ast001> hi is there any free software alternative to firefox web browser for debian 9 with gnome ?
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• 1741[11:02:13] <format_c> I think Gnome prefers Epiphany (if I recall correctly)
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• 1743[11:03:15] <wrz3625> chromium (not chrome) may be worth a try
• 1744[11:03:54] <mcfrisk> so debug symbol packages have been removed from main binary package apt repo to debian-debug according to replaced-url
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• 1746[11:04:06] <mcfrisk> maybe I have missed the announcements
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• 1748[11:05:26] <format_c> mcfrisk, you mean that you need to add debian-debug like non-free to the sources.lst?
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• 1750[11:05:55] <mcfrisk> format_c: apparently yes, now I trying to find where security updates are publishing debug symbols..
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• 1758[11:08:54] <mcfrisk> format_c: replaced-url
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• 1760[11:09:48] <Psy-Q> it's a mystery to me how /etc/hosts.deny comes into existence. installing tcpd does not create it
• 1761[11:09:52] <Ast001> ok thanks
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• 1764[11:10:10] <format_c> mcfrisk, thanks. interessting
• 1765[11:10:15] <Ast001> I have problems with gtk3 theme firefox chat room says. Not firefox problem but gtk3 theme with bigger buttons
• 1766[11:10:58] <Psy-Q> when upgrading from wheezy to jessie and then stretch, /etc/hosts.deny is still there but denyhosts no longer exists. but addresses added to /etc/hosts.deny will remain in there, and denyhosts appears to still run and it adds more and more addresses but never removes any
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• 1771[11:11:34] <Psy-Q> so i'm puzzled how to purge the file of IPs before moving ahead
• 1772[11:11:35] <Ast001> If you want to see what I mean look at this screenshoots replaced-url
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• 1793[11:21:43] <Psy-Q> it seems /etc/hosts.deny does come into existence at some point but we don't know what package creates it
• 1794[11:21:59] <Psy-Q> and it's not part of any package as a real file so i guess it must be generated
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• 1802[11:27:15] <MNNCP> Hi. HP ProBook 455 G1. On gnome 3 - the display are detected - but there is 2 card - and when additional Display are connect - auto detection switching between card nor Monitors.
• 1803[11:27:39] <MNNCP> And when i want set mirror of the Display - the results it's One Display work at one time, not 2 in the same time.
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• 1805[11:27:55] <MNNCP> It's a bug in auto configuration Xorg server software - or gnome display configuration of Gnome control Center ?
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• 1837[11:47:02] <HeXiLeD> Failed to start ACPI event daemon. I think i may have some dependent service not working. What is acpid dependent on ?
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• 1844[11:51:33] <colo-work> HeXiLeD, you may not need acpid any more; systemd can do (most of) what it did these days
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• 1851[11:54:04] <OtakuSenpai> hello
• 1852[11:54:08] <OtakuSenpai> anyone here>?
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• 1854[11:54:52] <gpunk> kinda
• 1855[11:55:19] <format_c> !tell OtakuSenpai about ask
• 1856[11:55:20] <OtakuSenpai> i was having a problem with resolv.conf being overwritten by network-manager,so i disabled NetworkManager.service and NetworkManager-wait-online.service
• 1857[11:55:42] <OtakuSenpai> would there be any problem when i reboot my laptop?
• 1858[11:55:53] <gpunk> depends
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• 1861[11:55:58] <OtakuSenpai> how?
• 1862[11:56:10] <gpunk> have you reconfigured your network ?
• 1863[11:56:15] <OtakuSenpai> ys
• 1864[11:56:17] <OtakuSenpai> yes
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• 1866[11:56:39] <gpunk> then you "should" be ok, reboot , give it a try
• 1867[11:56:51] <OtakuSenpai> i was only having no dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf...oherwise i had /etc/network/interfacess file ok
• 1868[11:57:02] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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• 1870[11:57:13] <format_c> OtakuSenpai, see man NetworkManager.conf
• 1871[11:57:32] <format_c> spot the "dns" section
• 1872[11:57:39] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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• 1878[11:59:32] <OtakuSenpai> window 16
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• 1882[12:00:59] <OtakuSenpai> also, the dfault firefox tht came with stretch is too slow
• 1883[12:01:10] <OtakuSenpai> tried installing iceweasel,its slow too
• 1884[12:01:14] <OtakuSenpai> any ideas?
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• 1887[12:03:50] <fireba11> OtakuSenpai: slow compared to what?
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• 1889[12:05:27] <OtakuSenpai> fireba11: its too slow to operate
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• 1891[12:05:37] <OtakuSenpai> like literally s l o w
• 1892[12:06:00] <jim> hi... where does dpkg place the pre/post inst/rm scripts when it installs a package?
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• 1895[12:06:20] <OtakuSenpai> i typed google.com 15 mins ago and its still connecting to it
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• 1899[12:06:42] <format_c> OtakuSenpai, then you do have another general network problem
• 1900[12:06:42] <OtakuSenpai> hey jim
• 1901[12:06:48] <jim> hi
• 1902[12:06:58] <fireba11> OtakuSenpai: are you really sure that is a firefox issue? not a network issue?
• 1903[12:06:59] <OtakuSenpai> format_c: what can it be?
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• 1905[12:07:13] <OtakuSenpai> network is working properly
• 1906[12:07:15] <jim> it could be dns lookup
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• 1908[12:07:23] <OtakuSenpai> or else i couldnt irc
• 1909[12:07:40] <gpunk> OtakuSenpai: do you have a proxy ?
• 1910[12:07:41] <OtakuSenpai> ping also works
• 1911[12:07:44] <OtakuSenpai> no
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• 1913[12:07:54] <gpunk> OtakuSenpai: how fast is the ping ?
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• 1915[12:08:16] <OtakuSenpai> 64 bytes from maa03s22-in-f14.1e100.net (172.217.26.174): icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=67.9 ms
• 1916[12:08:27] <gpunk> seems ok
• 1917[12:08:44] <format_c> telnet google.com 443
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• 1920[12:09:00] <gpunk> OtakuSenpai: double check if FF IS trying to use a proxy
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• 1922[12:09:01] <format_c> I assume you have a broken IPv6 connectivity
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• 1924[12:09:17] <OtakuSenpai> ok
• 1925[12:09:32] <format_c> you can disable the AAAA DNS lookups done by Firefox to circumvent this. However, correct would be fixing IPv6 connectivity
• 1926[12:09:41] <OtakuSenpai> firefox isnt using proxy...i didnt configure a proxy
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• 1928[12:09:57] <OtakuSenpai> how do i setup ipv6 ?
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• 1930[12:10:13] <format_c> first check if my assumption is correct
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• 1932[12:10:22] <format_c> open a new tab in firefox
• 1933[12:10:26] <format_c> type about:config
• 1934[12:10:33] <format_c> filter for ipv6
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• 1940[12:10:56] <format_c> set network.dns.disableIPv6 to true
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• 1942[12:11:13] <format_c> Restart Firefox and test if the situation improves
• 1943[12:11:26] <OtakuSenpai> i searched for ipv6
• 1944[12:11:29] <OtakuSenpai> now what?
• 1945[12:12:11] <format_c> <format_c> set network.dns.disableIPv6 to true
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• 1947[12:12:19] <OtakuSenpai> oh
• 1948[12:12:24] <OtakuSenpai> didnt see it sorry
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• 1951[12:13:56] <OtakuSenpai> still slow
• 1952[12:14:03] <OtakuSenpai> how do i setup ipv6?
• 1953[12:14:17] <OtakuSenpai> let me paste my interfaces file
• 1954[12:14:45] <gpunk> is FF ok from other PCs ?
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• 1956[12:14:59] <gpunk> are you using a router ?
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• 1959[12:16:31] <OtakuSenpai> yes
• 1960[12:16:45] <OtakuSenpai> im using a router,and i hav no other pc
• 1961[12:17:08] <gpunk> have you rebooted the router ?
• 1962[12:17:09] <OtakuSenpai> also the router doesnt hav space to install linux on it
• 1963[12:17:14] <OtakuSenpai> no
• 1964[12:17:29] <gpunk> is it an option for you ? (can you do it)
• 1965[12:17:34] <OtakuSenpai> no
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• 1968[12:18:10] <gpunk> can you restart networking on your debian ?
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• 1971[12:18:44] <format_c> OtakuSenpai, since it's still slow by circumventing any IPv6 path, you don't need to bother about IPv6
• 1972[12:18:44] <OtakuSenpai> no
• 1973[12:18:56] <OtakuSenpai> no actually firefox is working now
• 1974[12:19:06] <OtakuSenpai> but i could like to setup ipv6 too
• 1975[12:19:16] <OtakuSenpai> i think ill reboot my laptop now
• 1976[12:19:25] <OtakuSenpai> ill come back later
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• 1980[12:20:09] <ben25> hello
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• 1983[12:20:38] <ben25> any idea why the navigation shortcut in meld are messed up
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• 1985[12:20:46] <ben25> (since debian 9)
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• 1987[12:21:07] <ben25> the alt+up or down doesn't work as before
• 1988[12:21:11] <ben25> it act weird
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• 1991[12:22:17] <ben25> the arrow button act just as weird
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• 2005[12:31:35] <ben25> how do i use kdiff3 to compare a repository
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• 2015[12:33:36] <ben25> would there be a thingy that capture the alt+up down ?
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• 2017[12:34:08] <ben25> (explainning why it is "broken" in meld)
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• 2059[12:59:31] <aptDeb> 这里有中国人吗
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• 2065[13:02:00] <kriech0r> anyone experiences with bcache setup on a live system? the articles i found are always for a fresh install :( i'm thinking about adding a raid 10 of 4 ssd's for using that
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• 2091[13:15:54] <RoyK> kriech0r: dunno about bcache - lvmcache however, works fine
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• 2093[13:16:21] <RoyK> kriech0r: that is, if you're using lvm
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• 2096[13:16:26] <RoyK> which you should IMHO
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• 2099[13:19:36] <kriech0r> didn't setup LVM :/ its currently two raid1's with 4 disks
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• 2116[13:26:13] <RoyK> kriech0r: I guess you'll have to setup things again, then. IIRC both bcache and lvmcache (which I would recommend) relies on dm (part of lvm)
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• 2127[13:30:51] <kriech0r> RoyK: oh damn... :D issue i had was the understanding of LVM so i skipped that an sticked to what i know (i'm actually just learning things) so i need to clear the raid, setup LVM, enable *cach and copy the data back to the system?
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• 2130[13:31:41] <kriech0r> and that for boths raids of which one, is my boot/system array
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• 2132[13:32:12] <kriech0r> the raid's i setup manually after installing the system
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• 2134[13:32:44] <RoyK> my general setup for mdraid is just a raid (or two) and a pv on each raid and then a vg across them and lv's on top of that
• 2135[13:33:14] <RoyK> I don't use mdraid at home atm, zfs instead, but I helped a friend setup lvmcache for her 15TiB home raid - works well
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• 2138[13:34:21] <kriech0r> the pain i have is backing up all the data... before i setup things from scratch
• 2139[13:34:37] <RoyK> not really
• 2140[13:34:55] <RoyK> the pain is the day thing crashes and you find that you didn't have a backup¨
• 2141[13:35:17] <RoyK> raid isn't backup
• 2142[13:35:21] <kriech0r> haha i know
• 2143[13:35:24] <RoyK> always keep a backup (or two)
• 2144[13:35:36] <kriech0r> but backup only contains the most important data
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• 2146[13:36:06] <kriech0r> the rest is kept on "risk" but if i can avoid it i'd like to keep it
• 2147[13:36:20] <RoyK> kriech0r: I just setup Duplicati -> jottacloud - seems to work well - not sure about the speed yet, though
• 2148[13:37:04] <kriech0r> i do have a off site location available but need to setup the second server first
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• 2150[13:38:14] <RoyK> just move the data from one of the raids to somewhere else, recrete that with lvm, move the data from the other raid over to the first, recreate, add new raid to volume group, restore
• 2151[13:38:19] <RoyK> shouldn't take too long
• 2152[13:38:23] <forcerecon> I am running Linux JBSPKDT001 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 (2017-08-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux , since I don't know initimately the differences between gtk, gtk+, Qt, Gnome and Kde.. can someone tell me what in basic terms is meant by all this and are all distros made from one or combinations.
• 2153[13:38:40] <RoyK> kriech0r: unless you're on an ISDN dialup or something
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• 2157[13:39:18] <kriech0r> 50/10 mbit
• 2158[13:39:29] <kriech0r> can survive that
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• 2160[13:39:50] <gpunk> forcerecon: those are graphic libraries based on
• 2161[13:39:52] <Mikaze> I don't even know what the advantage of an LVM is.
• 2162[13:39:57] <kriech0r> initial backup might take long but the diff will be fine
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• 2164[13:40:25] <kriech0r> Mikaze: well thats more or less my same thought back then. what is the advantage if my bays are full anyway
• 2165[13:40:27] <OtakuSenpai> ,v realtek
• 2166[13:40:28] <judd> No package named 'realtek' was found in amd64.
• 2167[13:40:37] <forcerecon> gpunk: and what does debian stretch use?
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• 2169[13:40:54] <gpunk> all of them, it is your choice/taste
• 2170[13:40:55] <OtakuSenpai> whats the package name for realtek wifi firmwares in stretch?
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• 2172[13:41:13] <forcerecon> gpunk: why choose one over the other? looks?
• 2173[13:41:25] <gpunk> yes looks , basically
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• 2176[13:41:50] <forcerecon> I use cinnamon desktop.. how do I know if it is kde or gnome.. How do I know which applications are best for my desktop
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• 2179[13:42:45] <OtakuSenpai> whats the package name for realtek wifi firmwares in stretch?
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• 2181[13:43:08] <gpunk> forcerecon: it's "gnome" ...
• 2182[13:43:28] * Mikaze guesses he'll just stick with what he knows when reinstalling Jessie.
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• 2188[13:44:01] <Maid-Chan> How does one tell if their "Intel Inside" computer is PAE?
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• 2194[13:44:36] <gpunk> Maid-Chan: 32bit with 4gig of ram or more
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• 2198[13:45:09] <OtakuSenpai> can anyone reply to my question?
• 2199[13:45:23] <gpunk> OtakuSenpai: hold on
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• 2203[13:46:06] <Maid-Chan> well i know that it has 4gig exactly of ram and believe I installed a 64bit debian. is there maybe a command i should be firing off?
• 2204[13:46:07] <OtakuSenpai> such unhelpful ppl here
• 2205[13:46:12] <gpunk> firmware-realtek/stable
• 2206[13:46:14] <OtakuSenpai> not just on #debian
• 2207[13:46:21] <OtakuSenpai> everywhere
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• 2209[13:46:44] <gpunk> Maid-Chan: you dont need PAE en 64bit systems
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• 2211[13:47:01] <Maid-Chan> OtakuSenpai, you are saying that when gpunk (the only person that i know of who knows the package name as i deleted that knowledge when i nolonger needed it during the install process)
• 2212[13:47:45] <Maid-Chan> gpunk you don't need it sure. But i'm trying to pick a clonezila iso so need to know what i have. you know?
• 2213[13:48:07] <gpunk> you dont have PAE
• 2214[13:48:16] <gpunk> PAE is for 32bit systems
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• 2216[13:48:36] <Maid-Chan> is there a way to verify that i'm remembering right that i installed 64bit so i don't bugger up the computer?
• 2217[13:48:37] <gpunk> nless
• 2218[13:48:50] <gpunk> yes
• 2219[13:48:52] <gpunk> uname -a
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• 2221[13:49:03] <Maid-Chan> k lemme start up putty
• 2222[13:49:37] <gpunk> but
• 2223[13:49:41] <Maid-Chan> amd64?? but it's intel...i'm very confused...did i already bugger it?
• 2224[13:49:51] <gpunk> no that s fine
• 2225[13:49:58] <OtakuSenpai> amd64 = x86-64
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• 2227[13:50:01] <gpunk> you'r on 64bit
• 2228[13:50:11] <Maid-Chan> ahh so don't get the pae iso?
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• 2230[13:50:20] <gpunk> yes dont
• 2231[13:50:29] <OtakuSenpai> idk if a 32 bit system can run 64 bit
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• 2233[13:50:42] <gpunk> OtakuSenpai: it cant
• 2234[13:50:47] <OtakuSenpai> hmm
• 2235[13:51:14] <gpunk> differnce between a V8 and a 4liner
• 2236[13:51:18] <OtakuSenpai> btw what was the command for writing an iso to a disk?
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• 2238[13:51:39] <OtakuSenpai> dd if =/path/to/iso of=/path/to/disk?
• 2239[13:51:45] <Maid-Chan> k thanx. i'm guessing i wont be able to do clonezilla using ssh?
• 2240[13:52:10] <gpunk> OtakuSenpai: you can do that
• 2241[13:52:15] <OtakuSenpai> ok
• 2242[13:52:15] <darxmurf> yes you can
• 2243[13:52:16] <gpunk> is disk a usb stick?
• 2244[13:52:30] <OtakuSenpai> yeah
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• 2246[13:52:47] <gpunk> then you should be ok .
• 2247[13:52:51] <gpunk> is ti for booting?
• 2248[13:52:55] <OtakuSenpai> had all my debian installer sticks borked,so gotta install some more on them
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• 2250[13:53:01] <OtakuSenpai> no
• 2251[13:53:02] <Maid-Chan> you need to do something special to flag a usb stick as bootable if that's needed for your uses. right?
• 2252[13:53:08] <OtakuSenpai> installing new systems
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• 2254[13:53:36] <gpunk> the iso file has to be a hybrid , for booting installing
• 2255[13:53:43] <OtakuSenpai> Maid-Chan: no i guess,you can just write to it and make the bootloader boot from the written stick
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• 2260[13:56:11] <Maid-Chan> wow... windows copy is behaving oddly. 5 seconds with 0/0 items remaining while several items fly by one the currently processing list...for well over 10 mins.
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• 2266[13:57:56] <OtakuSenpai> btw firefox is still slow
• 2267[13:58:31] <toruvinn> i've heard they're removing addressbar in the next firefox version.
• 2268[13:58:53] <darxmurf> I don't see the point here Oo
• 2269[13:59:36] <toruvinn> darxmurf, if you're talking to me, i'm joking. however they /are/ dumbing down the browser with each release, it's imo pretty bad already. time to switch.
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• 2275[14:00:43] <amd_0x51> hey guys, which log would crashes that occur from chromium be logged to?
• 2276[14:00:50] <Maid-Chan> well that's not great. firefox seems to be the only option for netflix other than kodi addons that seem to get shut down left and right.
• 2277[14:00:52] <amd_0x51> silly question I kno but I can't get to the bottom of it
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• 2283[14:02:03] <amd_0x51> i.e. sometimes Chromium crashes my entire systems. I've only noticed it when trying to watch a video and then like open a new tab such as maps
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• 2285[14:02:13] <amd_0x51> heavy sites etc
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• 2287[14:03:05] <Maid-Chan> dunno of any existing logs but you could launch it from CLI sending it's output to a log file you create to see if IT throws any errors prior to the crash?
• 2288[14:03:19] <psychoticwarrior> yea chromium hasnt crashed for me. sometimes it sucks
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• 2290[14:03:35] <amd_0x51> yeah okay I will do that. try to replicate the system crash
• 2291[14:03:50] <amd_0x51> it literally freezes my whole set up then a few seconds later restarts
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• 2293[14:04:18] <Maid-Chan> yeah someone who knows more than me may be able to help better. i'm pretty newb. I just had an idea failing a better sollution. :P
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• 2298[14:05:24] <amd_0x51> for the most part chromium is great! Just not sure what has been happening lately. Not sure if its my hardware or the app
• 2299[14:05:34] <amd_0x51> think my PC is dying tbh
• 2300[14:05:44] <eimiar> can somebody help me with this problem? (can't communicate with USB serial device) replaced-url
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• 2305[14:07:33] <amd_0x51> chromium --help
• 2306[14:07:37] <amd_0x51> whhops lmao sorry
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• 2312[14:11:14] <kurolox> is there clisp in debian? It feels weird that I can't find it on the repos. Maybe it's with a different name?
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• 2314[14:12:13] <jelly> cmucl used to be present
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• 2321[14:12:50] <gpunk> ot get emacs , lol
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• 2327[14:14:39] <jelly> kurolox: some apt-cache search with various keywords reveals existence of
• 2328[14:14:43] <jelly> ,i sbcl
• 2329[14:14:44] <judd> Package sbcl (lisp, optional) in stretch/amd64: Common Lisp compiler and development system. Version: 2:1.3.14-2+b1; Size: 7428.2k; Installed: 49640k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2342[14:23:06] <kurolox> jelly trying to install clisp gives me this though
• 2343[14:23:31] <kurolox> Package clisp is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
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• 2351[14:25:42] <gpunk> kurolox: install sbcl
• 2352[14:25:57] <gpunk> replaced-url
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• 2357[14:27:49] <kurolox> my problem with sbcl or pretty much any other common lisp interpreter is that it seems like none of them have a way to launch a lisp file from CLI.
• 2358[14:28:45] <hashworks> Hi! I want to use apt-cache policies to install a specific set of packages from sid and everything else from the stretch repositories. This works fine, however I select the packages by wildcard (python-ros*) and I now need a specific packages (python-rosdep2) from stretch. I set the following in my /etc/apt/preferences: replaced-url
• 2359[14:28:47] <hashworks> `apt-cache policy` only shows my the sid rules. Any idea?
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• 2361[14:29:41] <eimiar> does debian run services that mess with serial devices over USB?
• 2362[14:29:47] <babilen> hashworks: I would strongly recommend to *not* mix repositories like that - Use backports or create a backport yourself if the package has not already been backported
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• 2366[14:31:25] <hashworks> Found my error, python-rosdep2 doesn't exist in stretch
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• 2371[14:33:33] <gpunk> kurolox: can you try zenlisp
• 2372[14:33:37] <gpunk> ?
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• 2378[14:36:20] <hashworks> babilen: Thanks for the advice, but that wouldn't be feasible. It's only a temporary solution anyway
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• 2413[14:58:19] <|N|> anyone can tell me why firefox in stretch is so slo?
• 2414[14:58:21] <|N|> slow?
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• 2416[14:59:02] <|N|> ,v firefox
• 2417[14:59:03] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 55.0.2-1
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• 2426[15:09:48] <Ormu> a good question
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• 2429[15:10:24] <Ormu> i've seen performance deterioration as the version number increases but it might be placebo
• 2430[15:11:13] <Ormu> if you use Adblock+, some people suggest replacing it with uBlock Origin
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• 2432[15:11:56] <Ormu> I did that and I *think* it improved performance but that might again be placebo :|
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• 2435[15:12:27] <eimiar> can somebody help me with this problem? (can't communicate with USB serial device) replaced-url
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• 2444[15:15:09] <Ormu> ,v firefox-esr
• 2445[15:15:11] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.3.0esr-1~deb8u2; jessie-security: 52.3.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.3.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.3.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.3.0esr-2; sid: 52.3.0esr-2
• 2446[15:15:49] <annadane> reason people suggest ublock origin is because adblock has white lists
• 2447[15:17:27] <gunix> annadane: whats up?
• 2448[15:17:32] <gunix> i am happy to see you on freenode
• 2449[15:17:34] <gunix> :D
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• 2454[15:20:23] <Ormu> i've heard many people claiming it's faster but i don't really know :|
• 2455[15:20:48] <Ormu> are those whitelists the same as the "allow some non intrusive advertising" option?
• 2456[15:20:55] <annadane> yeah
• 2457[15:21:02] <annadane> i don't know too much about it
• 2458[15:21:17] <annadane> as to why firefox is slow... that could be any number of issues
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• 2460[15:21:36] <annadane> new firefoxes have multiprocess which AFAIK isn't in the firefox included in stretch
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• 2470[15:25:39] <annadane> i'm not sure whether adblock is open source either? might be
• 2471[15:26:08] <tdn> Anyone who uses zbackup? What are your typical speeds? I am on a 4 core Xeon and I see speeds at around 1-4 mb/s.
• 2472[15:26:41] <fireba11> tdn: that seems really low. is your storage backend too slow?
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• 2474[15:28:37] <tdn> fireba11, a SATA disk. But I/O does not seem to be the bottleneck. It is doing active CPU time on all four cores.
• 2475[15:28:51] <Ormu> wikipedia says Adblock+ is open source
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• 2479[15:31:58] <fireba11> tdn: it seems rather ressource intensive with rolling hashes. but if your xeon is not 10 years old i would expect some more speed ... local backup?
• 2480[15:31:58] <jelly> tdn: never heard about it, but if it does dededuplication, on client side, that might account for cpu usage
• 2481[15:32:11] <|N|> why is firefox so slow on debian stretch?
• 2482[15:32:11] <jelly> s/dede/de/
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• 2489[15:36:00] <annadane> |N|, i already answered that.
• 2490[15:36:19] <annadane> it could be any number of reasons. just search the internet "how to speed up firefox"
• 2491[15:36:29] <|N|> ok
• 2492[15:36:34] <|N|> i must hav been away
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• 2505[15:42:28] <tdn> fireba11, this is local backup, yes
• 2506[15:42:39] <tdn> jelly, it does dedup, yes.
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• 2508[15:43:10] <tdn> jelly, but from what I read it should only cause noticable slowdowns for around hundreds of TB and up.
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• 2510[15:43:16] <tdn> jelly, and I only have a few TB
• 2511[15:44:00] <jelly> what you read and what a piece of backup software is actually able to do
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• 2514[15:44:52] <jelly> tdn: often it's a LOT more important how many files there are and how often they change than their total block size (TBs)
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• 2516[15:45:56] <fireba11> tdn: see if there is a channel or mailing list for that to check for real-world szenarios and speeds? :-D
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• 2541[15:57:57] <_Vi> Is there some middle ground between "apt-get dist-upgrade" and "eatmydata apt-get dist-upgrade"?
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• 2545[16:00:28] <ForceRecon> anyone using geary for a mail client
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• 2547[16:00:52] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
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• 2555[16:03:27] <boxrick> Hello peops! I am currently trying to get a preseed.conf working on a USB stick for an unattended pre-seed based install. Sadly it finds it ignores much of my configuration. Does anyone have an example preseed for a USB stick for me to base mine off?
• 2556[16:03:34] <gpunk> ForceRecon: i prefer evolution :)
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• 2568[16:14:13] <ForceRecon> I have been using evolution but I am not thrilled.. but thanks for the feedback
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• 2579[16:17:38] <annadane> ForceRecon, "anyone using..." is a vague question, it's better to ask your actual question if you need support with geary, unless your question actually was "does anyone use it"
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• 2586[16:21:46] <neilthereildeil> hi, i have built Xen from source and want to change the libraries that the Xen programs (mostly userland) use. Setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH might not work since not all the programs are run by the current user logged into the current shell. for example, they hypervisor might launch qemu in userland, and that qemu might call other programs. i need QEMU and all the other programs to all use my custom libs. how can i do this?
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• 2622[16:41:35] <tw> neilthereildeil: I'd probably launch them with a different filesystem/chroot/namespace, or at least one that has an overlay over /etc/ so you can manipulate /etc/ld.so.conf and /etc/ld.so.cache
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• 2630[16:46:28] <tw> I think in your case, the proper way to do it would be set the RPATH in the binaries when compiling the programs so it knows exactly where to look for just those binaries.
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• 2632[16:46:49] <JordiGH> I just upgraded to stretchie.
• 2633[16:46:54] <JordiGH> From jess.
• 2634[16:47:02] <JordiGH> It went smoothly.
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• 2636[16:47:18] <JordiGH> I probably should pop over to #debian-devel in OFTC to tell them how happy I am.
• 2637[16:47:41] <jelly> !win JordiGH
• 2638[16:47:41] <dpkg> Congratulations, JordiGH! You have won the US presidency!
• 2639[16:47:55] <JordiGH> They just give that away to any old idiot these days...
• 2640[16:48:02] <jelly> case in point!
• 2641[16:48:04] * jelly hides
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• 2707[17:15:36] <neilthereildeil> tw: can i just add the .so files to a certain dir so ld finds them before other so's? similar to $PATH?
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• 2723[17:21:54] <tw> If you always want them to be first and you're sure they won't interfere with system tools, you can put the path first in /etc/ld.so.conf then run ldconfig
• 2724[17:22:02] <tw> But that's risky.
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• 2726[17:22:28] <neilthereildeil> if i mess up, i can boot off USB, chroot and change it back, right?
• 2727[17:22:37] <tw> Sure.
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• 2733[17:24:53] <neilthereildeil> tw: what i did was make symlinks in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib and run ldconfig
• 2734[17:24:59] <neilthereildeil> any idea why that didnt work?
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• 2736[17:25:36] <tw> Couldn't say, check ldd.
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• 2741[17:26:14] <tw> If they don't conflict with other libraries, I'd just install them.
• 2742[17:26:26] <neilthereildeil> yea, ldd still shows the normal path, not my updated paths
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• 2756[17:29:28] <_Vi> What has changed in repository signatures in Debian Stretch compared to Debian Jessie? Multiple supplementary repositories started failing.
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• 2760[17:29:56] <jelly> _Vi: how precisely are they failing?
• 2761[17:29:58] <jelly> !bat
• 2762[17:29:58] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2767[17:30:27] <jelly> _Vi: at least one signature algorithm was deprecated
• 2768[17:30:32] <_Vi> jelly, Signature check for Releases fails.
• 2769[17:30:48] <_Vi> gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed.
• 2770[17:30:51] <jelly> _Vi: read what dpkg said and provide the info, please
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• 2772[17:31:02] <_Vi> For example, for "Err:14 replaced-url
• 2773[17:31:18] <_Vi> It's about apt, not about dpkg.
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• 2775[17:31:39] <tw> dpkg is the name of the bot.
• 2776[17:31:39] <dpkg> tw: have you tried replaced-url
• 2777[17:31:43] <jelly> _Vi: read what "dpkg", the irc bot, just said above ^^ and follow it
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• 2780[17:33:13] <jelly> _Vi: that means complete output of, say, "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy", including the commands you actually used, under an English locale
• 2781[17:33:56] <_Vi> replaced-url
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• 2785[17:35:29] <_Vi> Is some customized error message mentioning the deprecation being printed if the failure is because of "one signature algorithm was deprecated"?
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• 2787[17:36:24] <neilthereildeil> when i create a domain in xen, is there a way to get a list of all programs that are attempted to be launched?
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• 2789[17:36:42] <_Vi> jelly, Posted the output of the suggested command. What's next?
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• 2794[17:37:34] <neilthereildeil> kind of like call traces in a debugger
• 2795[17:37:42] <neilthereildeil> to know which functions were called
• 2796[17:37:52] <jelly> _Vi: one symptom used to look like
• 2797[17:37:57] <jelly> W: replaced-url
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• 2800[17:38:44] <_Vi> jelly, This look like an explicit message, not opaque "Signature verification failed".
• 2801[17:38:50] <jelly> _Vi: your "kureto" repo might be affected by something similar, unsure. No idea what's going on with the docker repo error
• 2802[17:39:27] <_Vi> jelly, It also affects my own repository that was working in Debian Jessie (the signing key may be old-ish). The message is also generic.
• 2803[17:39:43] <jelly> _Vi: can you wipe downloaded files, rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*.* /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* and repeat the update
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• 2805[17:41:03] <_Vi> jelly, Wiped, re-downloading. Already see "gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed." for the docker repository.
• 2806[17:41:32] <tw> did you add the docker key to apt?
• 2807[17:41:34] <jelly> _Vi: I'd read 5.3.2.3 in stretch release notes, replaced-url
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• 2809[17:42:00] <DammitJim> not sure what channel to ask this at, but I know you guys have always been helpful on this channel. My daughter wants to create an application for a school project (she is 12). What would be an easy way to create an app with a UI to just do simple calculations?
• 2810[17:42:32] <jelly> _Vi: but the gnutls thing looks weird
• 2811[17:42:33] <DammitJim> I thought just a web app (so it's flexible) on a debian server
• 2812[17:42:48] <_Vi> Can this deprecation be temporarily rolled back in some config?
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• 2814[17:43:38] <tw> DammitJim: I would say python+tkinter or tcltk are your best bets.
• 2815[17:43:40] <neilthereildeil> is there a way i can hook program launches on linux?
• 2816[17:44:09] <neilthereildeil> i think my Xen domain creation is launching a program that is failing somewhere
• 2817[17:44:36] <DammitJim> thanks tw I appreciate it... I'll ask in the python channel
• 2818[17:45:22] <jelly> _Vi: not that I know of
• 2819[17:46:15] <DammitJim> tw, if I got this right, tkinter is not for a web application, right?
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• 2823[17:46:55] <ChmEarl> neilthereildeil, its usually qemu-system-* that is failing. run `ldd $(which xl)` do the same for qemu
• 2824[17:46:58] <tw> Were you looking for a web app? tkinter is just a basic gui toolkit (wrapping tcltk). It's about the simplest thing to work with you can find.
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• 2827[17:47:48] <DammitJim> oh, got it...
• 2828[17:47:57] <neilthereildeil> ChmEarl: it only fails to launch a VM when i enable vif network interface
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• 2830[17:48:06] <neilthereildeil> and it doesnt depend on the interface i am sharing with the VM
• 2831[17:48:23] <neilthereildeil> even if i add vif=[''], it fails to launch the VM
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• 2833[17:48:50] <neilthereildeil> qemu works when i launch domain without vif=
• 2834[17:49:03] <neilthereildeil> i dont know if it qemu or somewne else that fails when i use vif=
• 2835[17:49:27] <ChmEarl> neilthereildeil, is it xen-4.8 from distro on Stretch?
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• 2838[17:51:28] <ChmEarl> neilthereildeil, even using vif=[''] an attempt is made to find a usable bridge
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• 2842[17:52:25] <neilthereildeil> ChmEarl: this is a custom build of 4.4, and yea i think its vif handling code only that is causing this issue
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• 2845[17:53:01] <neilthereildeil> are there any binaries (not scripts) specific to vif that could be affected by my .so library changes?
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• 2848[17:54:02] <ChmEarl> xen-netback in the kernel
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• 2851[17:55:11] <neilthereildeil> lsmod shows it as loaded...
• 2852[17:56:01] <neilthereildeil> ChmEarl: libxl: error: libxl_device.c:934:device_backend_callback: unable to add device with path /local/domain/0/backend/vif/6/0 libxl: error: libxl_create.c:1226:domcreate_attach_vtpms: unable to add nic devices
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• 2856[17:57:09] <neilthereildeil> these errors come from libxenlight
• 2857[17:57:41] <neilthereildeil> so i have to figure out who is loading the libxenlight.so and causing it to print that eror
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• 2876[18:05:52] <dub_> make-kpkg is not provided on squeeze due to a change on kernel 4.10 moving the documentation. On ubuntu I made a symlink from the old file to the new and it worked. Where can I find the make-kpkg package in the squeeze repo?
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• 2884[18:08:26] <_Vi> Also git fails to work: "fatal: unable to access 'replaced-url
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• 2888[18:11:29] <_Vi> Problem resolved: trying to upgrade "chromium" triggered removal of git, apt-transport-https and more. After re-installation back it seems to work.
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• 2908[18:21:00] <JordiGH> I know I spoke too soon when I said everything went smoothly after a suspend.
• 2909[18:21:12] <JordiGH> Er, after an upgrade.
• 2910[18:21:15] <JordiGH> Looks like X can't find any fonts now: replaced-url
• 2911[18:21:21] <JordiGH> This happened after coming back from a suspend.
• 2912[18:21:43] <ChmEarl> neilthereildeil, replaced-url
• 2913[18:22:21] <ChmEarl> part of your build has vTPM support and part does not
• 2914[18:22:44] <neilthereildeil> huh??
• 2915[18:22:50] <neilthereildeil> ChmEarl: thats not even in my config
• 2916[18:23:12] <neilthereildeil> yea i wondered why it talked about "tpms" but thought it stood for something else
• 2917[18:23:38] <JordiGH> I mean, look at my poor terminal: replaced-url
• 2918[18:24:22] <neilthereildeil> ChmEarl: how could i have it if i didnt even enable it?
• 2919[18:25:48] <ChmEarl> neilthereildeil, did you build your qemu* with the xen-devel headers from your xen-4.4?
• 2920[18:26:17] <neilthereildeil> it built automatically as part of 4.4
• 2921[18:26:26] <neilthereildeil> i just ran make at root
• 2922[18:26:29] <neilthereildeil> of tree
• 2923[18:26:37] <neilthereildeil> how can i specify which headers to use?
• 2924[18:27:14] <ChmEarl> ^^ thats good enough, let the make world do it
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• 2930[18:27:59] <neilthereildeil> ChmEarl: yea so i think the qemu build is OK
• 2931[18:28:10] <neilthereildeil> im looking at domcreate_attach_vtpms
• 2932[18:28:56] <neilthereildeil> the error printed is from there "unable to add nic devices". but it deals with vtpms in that function. whats the connection? unless the error message is wrong?
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• 2947[18:34:19] <JordiGH> Looks like tty1 is now the DM tty?
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• 2954[18:36:50] <jelly> JordiGH: not necessarily, but systemd tty activation is weird
• 2955[18:37:11] <JordiGH> "Could not acquire name on session bus".
• 2956[18:37:30] <JordiGH> Not sure if that's better or worse than this: replaced-url
• 2957[18:37:42] <JordiGH> I guess it's worse because now I can't even log in to X.
• 2958[18:37:47] * JordiGH sighs.
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• 2962[18:38:25] <jelly> did you try turning it off and on again
• 2963[18:39:03] <JordiGH> I'm about to.
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• 2970[18:40:36] <JordiGH> Let me try with an older Linux.
• 2971[18:40:43] <JordiGH> Maybe I'll just stay on 4.7 forever.
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• 2976[18:42:16] <neilthereildeil> why does my program always crash when being debugged remotely but not when being debugged locally?
• 2977[18:42:23] <neilthereildeil> this is on debian both sides
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• 2980[18:43:57] <ChmEarl> neilthereildeil, the relevant configs: CONFIG_TCG_TPM=y CONFIG_TCG_XEN=m
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• 2985[18:46:56] <JordiGH> jelly: Everything is fine again after rebooting. Let's see if 4.7 will be nicer about suspending and coming back.
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• 3006[18:56:08] <user01> hi i was wondering about working with multiple ssh keys . . . if i need to have multiple ssh keys one that i have to generate daily and one that i need more long term and maybe one for work etc. . . how do i manage multiple ssh identities?
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• 3013[18:58:38] <jelly> user01: apart from naming them suitably and using -i or adding and removing from ssh agent?
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• 3018[18:59:49] <neilthereildeil> ChmEarl: those are Dom0 kernel configs
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• 3021[19:00:18] <neilthereildeil> since im running xen 4.4.0, i looked at the code and see that the code is gone from recent vesions of Xen
• 3022[19:01:00] <user01> jelly, well i think i found something on stackexchange that touches on it replaced-url
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• 3028[19:01:59] <saiph> i just installed debian 9.1.0 and Xfce DE from a 3.6G iso that I burned to USB. Can I use apt offline to install inkscape that is on the USB? I tried apt install inkscape from command line, and all seems well until it prompts me for the "CD." I insert the USB, but doesn't recognize it as the Debian CD/DVD." Thanks for help.
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• 3030[19:02:15] <user01> jelly, but i guess the server would need two keys passed to it for forwarding one to another server
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• 3044[19:05:48] <egrain> is there voice morphing software for linux? i looked around, but i don't seem to find any.
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• 3052[19:07:23] <abrotman> you mean like an auto-tuner they use in music?
• 3053[19:07:27] <justtesting> hey
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• 3057[19:08:26] <SpeccyMan> maybe they mean a vocoder?
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• 3065[19:09:50] <saiph> can you specify for apt to get package from Debian 9.1 installation USB offline? My internet is down at home, need to install Inkscape from the USB.
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• 3076[19:13:29] <egrain> abrotman, no. like making my voice sound differently.
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• 3082[19:15:14] <annadane> saiph, yes, you can instruct dpkg to install individual packages as long as you can get it onto your USB somehow
• 3083[19:15:28] <annadane> i believe it's dpkg -i /path/to/deb.deb
• 3084[19:15:34] <jhutchins_wk> saiph: You can't do an automatic install with just the .deb packages, but you can install them manually by specifying the path/filename.
• 3085[19:16:01] <jhutchins_wk> saiph: When you try to do a regular install, it's expecting the install CD with the deb metadata on it.
• 3086[19:16:21] <annadane> you can find your USB path by something like lsusb
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• 3089[19:16:30] <saiph> annadane: thank you , you too juhtchins
• 3090[19:16:41] <towo`> lsusb will never show a mount-path
• 3091[19:16:44] <jhutchins_wk> egrain: There might be something that works with festival to do that, it would be an add-on to that system.
• 3092[19:16:46] <annadane> and yes, not automatic install
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• 3096[19:16:54] <jhutchins_wk> egrain: Likely not in debian.
• 3097[19:17:00] <annadane> sorry, not lsusb
• 3098[19:17:13] <egrain> jhutchins_wk, thanks, i'll see if i can find anything.
• 3099[19:17:19] <annadane> saiph, lsblk
• 3100[19:17:21] <saiph> i know my usb is /dev/sdb
• 3101[19:17:24] <jhutchins_wk> !festival
• 3102[19:17:24] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, festival is a multi-lingual speech synthesis system with various APIs, as well as an environment for development and research of speech synthesis techniques, or free software as of version 1.4.0, or replaced-url
• 3103[19:17:32] <towo`> saiph, not for dpkg
• 3104[19:17:46] <annadane> yeah, not for dpkg, don't use that, use the proper path
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• 3106[19:18:03] <saiph> and the label is what apt wants... it's just pointing apt to the right place :)
• 3107[19:18:18] <saiph> that was confusing me
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• 3109[19:18:26] <jhutchins_wk> saiph: Probably /media/cdrom or /media/saiph/<something>
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• 3111[19:18:32] <saiph> right
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• 3113[19:18:58] <saiph> and it was under /media/neo not cdrom
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• 3116[19:19:52] <saiph> thank you all for your help
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• 3131[19:23:33] <egrain> jhutchins_wk, turns out audacity can do it. thanks again though.
• 3132[19:23:45] <teraflops> egrain: o/
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• 3141[19:27:23] <revmoo> getting a 'no space left on device' error on a 16.04 system with TBs of free space, plenty of available inodes as well
• 3142[19:27:26] <revmoo> any ideas?
• 3143[19:27:34] <revmoo> my /boot is at 100% but I think that's normal
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• 3145[19:27:40] <annadane> revmoo, ubuntu isn't supported in #debian
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• 3147[19:27:48] <revmoo> crap sorry, entered the wrong chan
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• 3150[19:28:36] <bzed> heh, /boot 100% does not sound normal :D
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• 3152[19:29:12] <teraflops> a bunch of kernels there I guess
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• 3185[19:41:51] <magyar> hi, I would like to compile libgl1-mesa-dri from unstable, I'm currently on stretch, is there an easy way to do this?
• 3186[19:42:04] <greycat> ,checkbackport libgl1-mesa-dri
• 3187[19:42:05] <judd> Backporting package libgl1-mesa-dri in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libdrm-dev (>= 2.4.80) [!hurd-any], llvm-4.0-dev (>= 1:4.0~) [amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 mips mips64el mipsel powerpc ppc64 sparc64 ppc64el], libclang-4.0-dev (>= 1:4.0~) [amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 mips mips64el mipsel powerpc
• 3188[19:42:06] <judd> ppc64 sparc64 ppc64el], libclc-dev (>= 0.2.0+git20170213) [amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 mips mips64el mipsel powerpc ppc64 sparc64 ppc64el].
• 3189[19:42:17] <greycat> Looks like "no".
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• 3194[19:43:39] <magyar> greycat: 17.x is in unstable
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• 3204[19:47:34] <magyar> is it missing libdrm-dev, llvm-4.0-dev, libclang-4.0-dev and libclc-dev?
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• 3206[19:48:29] <greycat> If the bot says the backport can't be done, I'm not even going to *try*.
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• 3208[19:49:41] <magyar> greycat: got you, thanks
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• 3210[19:50:24] <magyar> what about testing, can I backport to testing ?
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• 3213[19:50:46] <greycat> But you're not *running* testing.
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• 3215[19:51:03] <greycat> Is the version in testing even different from the version in unstable?
• 3216[19:51:09] <magyar> hypothetically speaking
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• 3218[19:51:25] <greycat> hypothetically speaking, /msg judd help checkbackport
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• 3220[19:51:38] <magyar> yes
• 3221[19:51:45] <magyar> testing is 13.x
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• 3223[19:52:21] <magyar> thanks greycat
• 3224[19:52:39] <greycat> Ah, the version in buster is the same as in stretch.
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• 3239[19:59:01] <magyar> greycat: if the dependencies are good, how do I build then?
• 3240[19:59:13] <greycat> /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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• 3245[20:00:28] <hellyeah> hey
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• 3248[20:00:49] <hellyeah> how can i instrall driver i have nvidia gt425m
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• 3250[20:01:45] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3251[20:02:06] <hellyeah> replaced-url
• 3252[20:02:10] <hellyeah> ah
• 3253[20:02:10] <towo`> since gt425m sounds like optimus, that wiki site would not help many
• 3254[20:02:11] <hellyeah> yes
• 3255[20:02:22] <hellyeah> that site is not accessible
• 3256[20:02:23] <towo`> it would end in a black screen
• 3257[20:02:40] <hellyeah> Forbidden <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p>
• 3258[20:02:51] <greycat> How can we know which chipsets the wiki should *not* be used for, so I can edit the wiki and say that?
• 3259[20:02:52] <magyar> thanks again greycat, I'll keep checking, hopefully the dependencies will work. Without that I can't get the radeon card to work :(
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• 3261[20:03:00] <hellyeah> what is optimus?
• 3262[20:03:11] <hellyeah> towo`:
• 3263[20:03:20] <towo`> hybrid graphics
• 3264[20:03:20] <greycat> Also what the hell, why can't he access the wiki? Works from here.
• 3265[20:03:39] <hellyeah> i dont know
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• 3267[20:04:01] <hellyeah> well okey
• 3268[20:04:09] <towo`> hellyeah, if lspci | egrep -i "3d|display|vga" shows more than one line, it's optimus
• 3269[20:04:16] <hellyeah> i disabled zenmate
• 3270[20:05:00] <hellyeah> yeah it shows
• 3271[20:05:15] <hellyeah> what can i do to install it?
• 3272[20:05:30] <towo`> then you cant use the nvidia chip by simple installing the binary blob
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• 3274[20:05:44] <towo`> hellyeah, read about bumblebee
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• 3276[20:06:38] <hellyeah> okay
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• 3278[20:07:22] <greycat> Wiki updated.
• 3279[20:07:55] <annadane> how does one edit the wiki, anyway?
• 3280[20:08:04] <greycat> Click the link that says "edit".
• 3281[20:08:13] <teraflops> you request an account
• 3282[20:08:16] <teraflops> then you can
• 3283[20:08:20] <annadane> ah, okay
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• 3289[20:10:45] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: Where do you request the account?
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• 3291[20:11:08] <teraflops> hmm let me check, it was time ago
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• 3302[20:15:59] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: 1st email was to wiki@debian.org, with my request and a brief description of me and my debian background
• 3303[20:16:43] <pflanze> I've got a dell laptop, when I issue reboot, it hangs at "reboot: Restarting system"
• 3304[20:16:51] <greycat> Basically you're proving that you're not a spammer.
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• 3310[20:20:27] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: Sounds reasonable.
• 3311[20:21:26] <jhutchins_wk> pflanze: That happens sometimes. A kernel update will probably eventually fix it. Does it hang at shutdown as well?
• 3312[20:22:34] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: oh, it was more than a year go, time flies
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• 3316[20:23:06] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: Don't know why they'd change it, that's probably still the right thing to do.
• 3317[20:23:32] <teraflops> I think it's because spammers as greycat pointed
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• 3323[20:26:16] <hellyeah> hey
• 3324[20:26:23] <hellyeah> bumbelee broke my system
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• 3326[20:26:59] <hellyeah> any comment?
• 3327[20:27:20] <annadane> hellyeah, do you have stretch? dpkg says it's for jessie and wheezy-backports
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• 3330[20:27:33] <pflanze> jhutchins_wk, I think so. Also this is an old laptop. Running kernel 4.9.0-3-amd64
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• 3333[20:27:45] <no_gravity> Is it possible to make vmstat use wider columns? I tried -w but thats still not wide enough.
• 3334[20:27:49] <annadane> hellyeah, and also, how did it break? that's kind of vague
• 3335[20:27:52] <hellyeah> i am in jessie
• 3336[20:27:56] <annadane> okay
• 3337[20:28:02] <hellyeah> i got ops something wrong error
• 3338[20:28:08] <hellyeah> and x didnt come
• 3339[20:28:24] <greycat> Sounds like a gdm3 thing.
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• 3344[20:28:43] <annadane> hellyeah, you can probably access a virtual terminal and uninstall it
• 3345[20:28:44] <hellyeah> what
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• 3347[20:28:54] <greycat> try Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a terminal
• 3348[20:28:54] <annadane> ctrl + alt + f1-f6 typically
• 3349[20:28:59] <hellyeah> uninstall bumbelee?
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• 3351[20:29:02] <hellyeah> primus?
• 3352[20:29:16] <hellyeah> i am in terminal now
• 3353[20:29:24] <hellyeah> i connected irc with irssi
• 3354[20:29:43] <hellyeah> what is gm3 thing about?
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• 3356[20:30:01] <greycat> gdm3 is the stupid GNOME display manager that gives you useless error messages like the one you vaguely described
• 3357[20:30:13] <annadane> well, you may not need to uninstall
• 3358[20:30:17] <annadane> that was a stupid thing to suggest
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• 3360[20:30:28] <greycat> And which also (even more stupidly) requires advanced graphics crap to even run.
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• 3362[20:30:51] <annadane> ah. so perhaps try a different dm and boot into that
• 3363[20:31:16] <greycat> Well, if gdm3 can't start, then his drivers are probably not quite right yet.
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• 3368[20:31:55] <hellyeah> dm
• 3369[20:32:10] <annadane> Display Manager
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• 3371[20:32:40] <hellyeah> what can i do
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• 3373[20:32:43] <hellyeah> error isvague
• 3374[20:32:54] <hellyeah> ops something wrong i got this message
• 3375[20:32:55] <greycat> Try running 'startx' from the terminal.
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• 3377[20:33:26] <greycat> (You may or may not need to kill gdm3 first, or startx -- :1 to start on an alternate display if gdm3 is tying up :0 )
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• 3379[20:33:33] <teraflops> hellyeah: also bumblebee broke my system is too vague
• 3380[20:33:56] <hellyeah> i read bumbelee wiki and follow the instruction and result is that
• 3381[20:34:01] <hellyeah> i dont have gui
• 3382[20:34:04] <teraflops> share what you did install/run, and the errors you get
• 3383[20:34:14] <jhutchins_wk> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
• 3384[20:34:28] <teraflops> hellyeah: we dont know what you did
• 3385[20:34:34] <hellyeah> is there a package to paste the output of file
• 3386[20:34:35] <annadane> though isn't... i could be wrong but is wayland the default for gnome in stretch?
• 3387[20:34:39] <teraflops> yep
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• 3389[20:34:43] <hellyeah> teraflops: i did what it is written there
• 3390[20:34:50] <teraflops> my yep was for hellyeah
• 3391[20:34:52] <teraflops> :P
• 3392[20:34:53] <greycat> *whewre*?
• 3393[20:34:53] <hellyeah> teraflops: what is that package?
• 3394[20:34:59] <annadane> hellyeah, termbin, i suppose
• 3395[20:35:08] <greycat> !pastebinit
• 3396[20:35:08] <teraflops> hellyeah: written where
• 3397[20:35:08] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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• 3400[20:35:58] <hellyeah> written in bumbelee debian wiki teraflops
• 3401[20:36:15] <greycat> So now the wiki works for you?
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• 3403[20:36:16] * teraflops goes to read it
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• 3409[20:37:21] <hellyeah> replaced-url
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• 3411[20:37:38] <tdn> Do I need a stretch machine in order to build .deb packages for stretch? Or can I do that just as well on jessie?
• 3412[20:38:04] <greycat> Whatever you build will be built for jessie, but most jessie packages will run on stretch.
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• 3418[20:39:19] <tdn> greycat, I ask because I have a debian mirror (deb.adora.dk) that was build on jessie. However, when I try to use packages from there on stretch, it fails complaining about the signature for the repo. And the packages are just python scripts that are packaged and should work fine on both jessie and stretch.
• 3419[20:39:19] <towo`> hellyeah, you are sure, lspci | egrep -i "3d|display|vga" shows more than one device?
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• 3421[20:39:44] <tdn> greycat, this is the error replaced-url
• 3422[20:39:53] <towo`> hellyeah, from the xlog there is only one device
• 3423[20:39:56] <tdn> greycat, and this is apt-key list: replaced-url
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• 3425[20:40:08] <greycat> Yeah, I am definitely not opening a PNG to see an error about a third party repository.
• 3426[20:40:11] <tdn> I cannot really figure out what is wrong
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• 3428[20:40:33] <hellyeah> i saw one device nvidia gt425m towo`
• 3429[20:40:40] <greycat> Ask whoever made the third party repository how you are supposed to use it.
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• 3431[20:41:02] <teraflops> hellyeah: well there's a lot of stuff there, so, at this point, I still have to ask you about what you did
• 3432[20:41:05] <tdn> greycat, sorry but my stretch machine is on a VM and I cannot ssh into it in order to copy the error due to some strangenes regarding the VM network.
• 3433[20:41:11] <towo`> hellyeah, you sayed earlyer, you see more than one line
• 3434[20:41:20] <towo`> hellyeah, this is not optimus
• 3435[20:41:23] <tdn> greycat, but I completely understand. I will manually type in the error, 2 sec
• 3436[20:41:28] <teraflops> :S
• 3437[20:41:33] <hellyeah> teraflops: just follow the installation with apt-get dude
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• 3439[20:41:37] <tdn> greycat, I made the repository. It is my own. :)
• 3440[20:41:39] <towo`> so purge all that bumblebee crap and follow the nvidia wiki
• 3441[20:41:43] <greycat> I still won't read the error.
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• 3443[20:42:00] <teraflops> hellyeah: so dont have an optimus powered lappy?
• 3444[20:42:11] <tdn> greycat, you wont read the error if I type it in here in text?
• 3445[20:42:16] <greycat> I am not equipped to answer your questions about "How do I make a Debian repository." Sorry.
• 3446[20:42:31] <greycat> Someone else might know.
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• 3448[20:43:00] <hellyeah> i am removing
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• 3451[20:43:39] <tdn> When I try to use my debian repository on stretch I get this error: W: GPG error: http...<URL>... stable InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: 51.......<sig>
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• 3453[20:44:29] <tdn> Appearently, apt-get does not think my repo is signed. However, it IS signed. And it works just fine in jessie. So what has changed between the two releases regarding requirements to signing?
• 3454[20:44:54] <tdn> I have read the guide on replaced-url
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• 3457[20:45:23] <adam5> mind control, time travel, and computers... the spockalypse of rod's den's and feed us free berry's, please? replaced-url
• 3458[20:45:46] <rootkea> Hello!
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• 3460[20:46:20] <HazWard> Hello I'm trying to mount a disk image I made of a failing drive but I'm not sure how to do so. I used `mount -o loop <path to image> <mountpoint>` but I get an error about wrong fs type and dmesg doesn't give any more information
• 3461[20:47:01] <towo`> HazWard, what drive?
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• 3463[20:47:05] <jhutchins_wk> HazWard: That's not good, it means it's not detecting the fs type automatically.
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• 3467[20:47:16] <greycat> what does "file imagefilename" say?
• 3468[20:47:21] <jhutchins_wk> HazWard: You can try -t ext4 (if that's what it was).
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• 3470[20:47:36] <towo`> if it is a disc image, it would not work
• 3471[20:47:48] <greycat> It should be an image of a partition, not of a disk.
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• 3473[20:48:06] <hellyeah> what is displa manager you guys use?
• 3474[20:48:13] <greycat> I don't use any. I run startx.
• 3475[20:48:14] <towo`> lightdm
• 3476[20:48:19] <rootkea> HazWard: try fsck first
• 3477[20:48:38] <towo`> it would not work even
• 3478[20:48:47] <HazWard> jhutchins_wk: file says it's a DOS boot sector...
• 3479[20:48:53] <towo`> if that image was an image of a disc with partitions
• 3480[20:49:07] <greycat> Yeah, he imaged the whole disk, not a partition. I have no idea what to do from there.
• 3481[20:49:23] <towo`> mounting with offset
• 3482[20:49:32] <towo`> not a problem at all
• 3483[20:49:32] <HazWard> Yeah it's the whole drive
• 3484[20:49:43] <greycat> Can you get fdisk or parted or something to show you the partition table of a disk-in-a-file?
• 3485[20:49:51] <towo`> yes
• 3486[20:49:54] <towo`> possible
• 3487[20:50:27] <towo`> from there you get the offset for mounting the partitions
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• 3489[20:50:55] <teraflops> towo`: indeed, that's what I do for mounting sdcard dd images
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• 3491[20:51:12] <no_gravity> Is there a way to search for a filename in a tar.xz file?
• 3492[20:51:29] <greycat> xz -dc file.tar.xz | tar tvf - | grep ...
• 3493[20:51:47] <greycat> or maybe GNU tar has Yet Another Extension for internally calling xz
• 3494[20:52:04] <no_gravity> greycat: Pretty sure it has. I nether used the xz command.
• 3495[20:52:13] <rootkea> I am using Debian 9 and I cant see any network. Not even ethernet. ifconfig shows all values as '0' under eth0
• 3496[20:52:29] <no_gravity> greycat: What does tv do?
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• 3498[20:52:31] <HazWard> Even with an offset I still can't mount the partition
• 3499[20:52:38] <greycat> man tar
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• 3502[20:53:18] <no_gravity> greycat: i see. so "tar tvf myfile.tar" will not untar it but just list the files?
• 3503[20:53:19] <tokayo> hi
• 3504[20:53:30] <tokayo> anyone used android studio in *debian*?
• 3505[20:53:39] <tokayo> how is it vs windows?
• 3506[20:53:39] <teraflops> HazWard: I'm missing backlog, you want to mount a cloned (dd) image of a live system with partitions inside?
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• 3511[20:54:52] <HazWard> teraflops: nevermind I was getting the wrong value for the offset
• 3512[20:54:57] <hellyeah> lightdm worked
• 3513[20:55:05] <hellyeah> and i logged in
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• 3515[20:55:18] <hellyeah> then i got "something got wrong" error
• 3516[20:55:24] <hellyeah> what the hell
• 3517[20:55:26] <greycat> Good old GNOME.
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• 3519[20:55:37] <greycat> except, not good, and not old.
• 3520[20:55:54] <hellyeah> should i change desktop environment?
• 3521[20:56:02] <teraflops> HazWard: ah, you need losetup btw
• 3522[20:56:09] <greycat> You need to straighten out your video drivers.
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• 3524[20:56:24] <teraflops> you can blame nvidia instead greycat
• 3525[20:56:32] <hellyeah> greycat: how can i do that?
• 3526[20:56:40] <magyar> hi, the amdgpu-pro drivers available for stretch, the same way fglrx used to be?
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• 3528[20:56:48] <greycat> Damned if I know. All I know how to do is point to the wiki page.
• 3529[20:57:06] <hellyeah> how can i kill startx?
• 3530[20:57:22] <greycat> Seriously, gnome doesn't even let you EXIT?!
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• 3537[20:58:53] <towo`> hellyeah, what have you done? purged bumblebee?
• 3538[20:59:00] <hellyeah> yeah
• 3539[20:59:00] <towo`> installed nvidia blob?
• 3540[20:59:13] <hellyeah> ii purged everything
• 3541[20:59:14] <greycat> Checked dmesg | grep -i firmware?
• 3542[20:59:23] <towo`> hellyeah, proof it
• 3543[20:59:30] <greycat> Read /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log?
• 3544[20:59:32] <towo`> hellyeah, dpkg -l | grep nvidia
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• 3549[21:01:26] <david3> i have a debian server I want to RDP into: it has xrdp and openssh-server installed. it requires ssh for a xrdp connection. I could do it succesfully with putty from a windows machine.. but I dont know how to do it from a debian client.. can someone help?
• 3550[21:01:36] <hellyeah> paste.debian.net/983581
• 3551[21:02:16] <jhutchins_wk> david3: You should be able to ssh to the server in a terminal window from a GUI.
• 3552[21:02:44] <hellyeah> ++any problems?
• 3553[21:02:46] <david3> i can succesfully SSH into the server, but I wont have the GUI
• 3554[21:02:46] <Bishaeop> david3 should be as simple as 'ssh USERNAME@SERVERNAME/IP'
• 3555[21:02:48] <jhutchins_wk> david3: You might need an rdp client.
• 3556[21:02:54] <greycat> Yeah, I'm not understanding how "server" and "xrdp" fit together at all.
• 3557[21:03:53] <hellyeah> anything?
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• 3560[21:04:29] <hellyeah> pls
• 3561[21:04:42] <annadane> hellyeah, patience, please, we're all volunteers
• 3562[21:04:55] <david3> how would I use remmina for instance? I cant connect with remmina, allthough I can SSH into the srver
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• 3564[21:06:50] <hellyeah> sorry about that
• 3565[21:06:55] <hellyeah> i killed xserver
• 3566[21:07:03] <jhutchins_wk> david3: I have seen either ssh or rdp on a server, I haven't seen rdp-over-ssh unless you're port forwarding.
• 3567[21:07:17] <towo`> hellyeah, apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/nvidia/{ print $2 }')
• 3568[21:07:25] <teraflops> david3: remmina can do rdp over ssh too
• 3569[21:07:37] <jhutchins_wk> david3: If you have ssh, just enable X forwarding. Launch your app in the ssh session and it will display locally.
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• 3571[21:08:01] <teraflops> too heavy imo
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• 3573[21:08:42] <david3> jhutchins, how would the portforwarding work?
• 3574[21:09:02] <teraflops> unless you have gbit ethernet and even then I think youll have latency if not in the same lan
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• 3586[21:11:34] <hellyeah> towo`: there is nothing to purge
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• 3589[21:12:07] <hellyeah> 1/join #webdev
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• 3591[21:12:41] <synja> what's the code to shutdown in linux?
• 3592[21:12:41] <alic1a> synja: Please wait...
• 3593[21:12:46] <alic1a> synja: sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now
• 3594[21:12:49] <towo`> hellyeah, you paste above says something else
• 3595[21:12:53] <synja> enjoy
• 3596[21:13:03] <hellyeah> poweroff, halt
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• 3598[21:13:33] <hellyeah> towo`: i am not sure what i can say but there is nothing to remove
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• 3600[21:14:24] <daftmoney> When upgrading to debian 9 is it better to do a fresh install rather than a current install?
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• 3602[21:14:53] <hellyeah> i guess i should install ubuntu or something
• 3603[21:15:06] <greycat> I never to wipe-and-reinstall. Debian's upgrades are one of its main features.
• 3604[21:15:09] <hellyeah> or upgrade to stretch
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• 3606[21:15:38] <towo`> hellyeah, does dpkg -l | grep nvidia do show anything?
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• 3610[21:17:15] <hellyeah> paste.debian.net/983587
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• 3616[21:19:20] <towo`> hellyeah, dpkg --purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/nvidia/{ print $2 }')
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• 3619[21:19:53] <hellyeah> again
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• 3622[21:20:39] <annadane> yes, again
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• 3624[21:20:54] <greycat> the other one was apt purge, this one is dpkg --purge
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• 3626[21:21:28] <hellyeah> i see
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• 3628[21:22:23] <hellyeah> command gave me error
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• 3631[21:23:23] <annadane> ok, what error?
• 3632[21:23:33] <hellyeah> purege at least one package name argument
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• 3634[21:23:39] <hellyeah> purge*
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• 3639[21:26:14] <annadane> what is the *exact* error?
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• 3641[21:26:56] <greycat> I think he didn't paste the command correctly.
• 3642[21:27:19] <hellyeah> this is the exact error
• 3643[21:27:40] <annadane> hellyeah, try again: dpkg --purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/nvidia/{ print $2 }')
• 3644[21:27:54] <disbute> replaced-url
• 3645[21:28:37] <greycat> No, do not use pastebin.com.
• 3646[21:28:54] <greycat> It's not the worst of the pastebins, but it's fairly bad.
• 3647[21:29:04] <hellyeah> dang
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• 3649[21:29:22] <hellyeah> dangmy eyesight is bad
• 3650[21:29:25] <hellyeah> i saw the error
• 3651[21:29:32] <hellyeah> barely
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• 3654[21:30:25] <hellyeah> alt of packages are being removed
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• 3656[21:30:53] <greycat> This is the kind of command you *really* do not want to type incorrectly.
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• 3658[21:31:00] <hellyeah> error encountered while processimg
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• 3661[21:31:14] <hellyeah> nvidia-installer-cleanup
• 3662[21:31:29] <hellyeah> this is not removed
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• 3665[21:33:16] <kishmesh> how can I install a single debian unstable (sid) package? something like apt-get install -t ?
• 3666[21:33:28] <greycat> You don't. You install a backport instead.
• 3667[21:33:34] <greycat> !stretch backports
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• 3669[21:33:55] <hellyeah> i removed it
• 3670[21:34:15] <hellyeah> -t jessie-backports
• 3671[21:34:19] <jordanm> !bpo
• 3672[21:34:20] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 3675[21:35:09] <hellyeah> should i restart computer?_
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• 3677[21:35:59] <greycat> dpkg, no, stretch-backports is <reply>Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
• 3678[21:36:00] <dpkg> okay, greycat
• 3679[21:36:15] <greycat> It was previously a redirect to testing-backports
• 3680[21:36:17] <kishmesh> ok thanks
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• 3705[21:46:57] <amd_0x51> hey folks, i see a some people prefer to run steam with wine as opposed to the debian package
• 3706[21:47:22] <amd_0x51> what is anyones view in here? I only ask because I've had troubles getting steam to play anything other than half-life
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• 3708[21:47:50] <amd_0x51> sorry if off-topic. I can move somewhere else if needs be
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• 3714[21:49:12] <greycat> It isn't off-topic, but there may not be a lot of experts with Steam here.
• 3715[21:49:24] <annadane> dpkg: tell kishmesh about frankendebian
• 3716[21:49:39] <annadane> actually that's the wrong command
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• 3718[21:50:05] <annadane> ah no it isn't
• 3719[21:50:07] <towo`> amd_0x51, steam is running fine here (the linux version)
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• 3722[21:50:40] <amd_0x51> yes it runs fine and it plays half life flawlessly
• 3723[21:50:48] <amd_0x51> but I can't get gta or quake to work
• 3724[21:50:51] <towo`> amd_0x51, but you have to consider, you can only start linux games with it
• 3725[21:50:52] <amd_0x51> all quite old games
• 3726[21:51:15] <towo`> gta has no linux port
• 3727[21:51:15] <amd_0x51> okay that would explain gta. But not quake!
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• 3730[21:51:45] <towo`> quake is running fine on linux, but i use the darkplaces port for it, without steam
• 3731[21:52:19] <amd_0x51> okay I may just have to resort to that then
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• 3734[21:52:29] <amd_0x51> doom as well!! I can't believe I can't get these to play
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• 3736[21:52:48] <towo`> doom has no steam linux port
• 3737[21:52:59] <amd_0x51> ah okay
• 3738[21:53:07] <amd_0x51> I'll just have to use non-steam versions
• 3739[21:53:11] <amd_0x51> thanks a lot towo`
• 3740[21:53:36] <towo`> and even quake is not available as linux version on steam
• 3741[21:53:54] <amd_0x51> I have most certainly played it on debian though for sure
• 3742[21:54:11] <bolt_> I used to struggle with all of that, spending more time getting games to run than playing them, until I realized I didn't really care which OS was beneath, and that a dual boot was a good work/play separation, not tempting me to switch between the two all the time.
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• 3745[21:54:43] <amd_0x51> this is the plan for my new computer I am building
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• 3747[21:54:53] <amd_0x51> but it is incomplete so only one laptop wth a small hd
• 3748[21:55:25] <bolt_> If you're paying hundreds of dollars for games anyway, an eBay salvage license of Windows 10 for 5 bucks certainly makes it a lot easier. Not to advocate non-free software, but what you're doing is running non-free software anyway, and you're going to be spending ages doing it.
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• 3752[21:56:13] <bolt_> That said, my best experience by far running Windows stuff on Linux was with crossover.
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• 3759[21:59:02] <amd_0x51> i've just notcied that this version of steam doesn't even give me the option to install non-compatible games anymore! Probably should of checked first :p
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• 3761[21:59:15] <amd_0x51> should have*
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• 3764[21:59:53] <SuperTramp83> amd_0x51, can not help with the proprietary malware (steam) but to play quake 1, 2 and 3 and the doom 1 and 2 you just need a decent free software game engine and the game data
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• 3767[22:00:16] <SuperTramp83> darkplaces for quake 1 if I remember correctly
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• 3770[22:00:23] <amd_0x51> yahI am all over it now thanks :)
• 3771[22:00:26] <bolt_> but can you run crysis? ^^
• 3772[22:00:32] <bolt_> (sorry)
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• 3774[22:00:54] <SuperTramp83> heh, that one never get old
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• 3778[22:02:18] <SuperTramp83> amd_0x51, take a look at the game-data-packager package too, for building you game data deb
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• 3780[22:02:53] <amd_0x51> nice. Thanks SuperTramp83
• 3781[22:03:02] <SuperTramp83> yw!
• 3782[22:03:14] <amd_0x51> and thanks bolt_
• 3783[22:03:30] <netzach> Hello
• 3784[22:03:39] <netzach> is the name of the /dev/sdx in /sys/class/scsi_disk standard linux or not?
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• 3788[22:04:08] <greycat> If you're asking what to put in /etc/fstab, you should be using UUIDs.
• 3789[22:04:31] <greycat> The sda sdb sdc (etc.) short names are not guaranteed stable across boots.
• 3790[22:04:33] <netzach> no, I want to know if that is good way to identify the /dev/sdx from /sys/cklass
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• 3793[22:04:56] * greycat waits for someone who can parse this question
• 3794[22:04:59] <netzach> or if there is an easy way to go from /dev/sdx -> /sys/class/scris/disk...
• 3795[22:05:27] <netzach> I found out that there are files in /sys/class/scsci/..../drive/ that correspond to the /dev/sdx associated with that drive
• 3796[22:05:38] <netzach> but I am not sure if it's standard linux stuff or related to my driver
• 3797[22:05:42] <greycat> ... so?
• 3798[22:05:49] <netzach> because hpsa for example adds raid_level or other files that are not standard there
• 3799[22:06:18] <greycat> And the reason that the solution to your ACTUAL, UNDERLYING PROBLEM is not "put UUID=... in fstab" is what?
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• 3801[22:06:39] <netzach> can you ls like /sys/class/scsi_disk/0:0:0:0/device/block ?
• 3802[22:06:42] <netzach> does that exist on you
• 3803[22:06:50] <greycat> *plonk*
• 3804[22:07:04] <netzach> I want to patch cciss_vol_status to make it faster, because the way it works is not good enough for me
• 3805[22:07:29] <netzach> it reads all /dev/sdx and send scsi commands to find the serial number and match it with something from the array controller
• 3806[22:07:35] <bolt_> !cookie greycat
• 3807[22:07:37] <dpkg> Hey bolt_, greycatdrink is gives greycat a bowl of milk
• 3808[22:07:41] <netzach> but if the driver is failed, /dev/sda fopen might take a very long time,
• 3809[22:07:44] <netzach> like 1 minute or more
• 3810[22:07:47] <bolt_> what the..
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• 3812[22:07:55] <netzach> cause for some reason linux keeps sending io to it to find the partition type
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• 3816[22:08:43] <bolt_> netzach: what is this flaky driver device you're using, and why are you using it if it's so bad?
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• 3820[22:09:26] <abrotman> and then runs away!
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• 3822[22:09:51] <netzach> bolt_: it's npot the drivers fault, it's linux that is spamming the driver with io even if it's not mounted
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• 3826[22:10:10] <bolt_> so blacklist the driver?
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• 3833[22:11:52] <netzach> I'd rather configure linux to not spam the device
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• 3835[22:12:43] <bolt_> i suppose you're most likely got some desktop environment that auto mounts inserted drives, and it's attempting to do so?
• 3836[22:12:59] <bolt_> you've*
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• 3840[22:13:59] <netzach> no bolt_
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• 3842[22:14:09] <netzach> it's not a real failed device, it's a failed raid 0 when I hot remove it
• 3843[22:14:17] <netzach> that's how my raid controller marks it as failed
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• 3850[22:16:37] <netzach> bolt_: IDK why but when a drive is marked as failure, something must trigger linux, and it keeps trying to read sector 0 to determine the partition type, over and over again
• 3851[22:16:49] <netzach> I get it in dmesg and log/kernel
• 3852[22:17:04] <netzach> well it doesn't really slow down my system, but it slows down the raid array manipulation software I want to use
• 3853[22:17:07] <netzach> to do stuff
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• 3857[22:19:43] <netzach> I was told it might be systemd that does that
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• 3883[22:35:01] <jhutchins_wk> netzach: My guess would be that it's trying to detect if the drive comes back.
• 3884[22:35:36] <adam5> I'm looking for some marketing assistance with this material: try replaced-url
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• 3892[22:37:54] <netzach> jhutchins_wk: it;s doing it too often man
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• 3903[22:41:31] <jhutchins_wk> netzach: Your strategy sounds good to me.
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• 3905[22:41:52] <netzach> jhutchins: sorry strategy for what
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• 3916[22:48:20] <hever> Hej guys, I'm hardly trying to connect to a VPN the whole day. I got it to work almost in an virtualbox environment but the routing table is a bit messed up. There are two default routes when the VPN sets up the tun device. Does somebody have an advice about those doubled default routes? replaced-url
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• 3930[22:54:16] <sIRwa2> hello, have a more generic linux problem, have two scripts in crontab, both run fine when started manualy, but only 1 works cron-ed, so to speak.. not sure that the problem can be..
• 3931[22:54:31] <sIRwa2> i checked everything...
• 3932[22:54:50] <sIRwa2> also running in sudo crontab.. no availe
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• 3935[22:55:58] <greycat> Most commonly the script assumes the presence of a terminal, or of some environment variable that's not set in cron's environment.
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• 3938[22:56:22] <hever> sIRwa2, sometimes the path to the executable must be set or included if not available in /bin
• 3939[22:56:23] <sIRwa2> hm.. oke
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• 3943[22:56:55] <greycat> Start by reading the errors that you hopefully get in your email.
• 3944[22:57:04] <sIRwa2> its a bash script triggering two phantomjs scripts
• 3945[22:57:39] <sIRwa2> tnx, i think i can work with this
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• 3977[23:09:27] <hever> is it a problem to have to default routes?
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• 3981[23:11:37] <greycat> There can only be one actual default gateway.
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• 3983[23:11:49] <greycat> If you have more than one, all but one just get ignored.
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• 3992[23:14:17] <donald1> I want to reinsall debian. I follow these instructions replaced-url
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• 3996[23:17:02] <n4dir> donald1: from the top of my head (caution !). You simply copy the config files to where they belong (by overwriting the existing ones, assuming they exist).
• 3997[23:17:20] <n4dir> ownership matters, of course. i usually use rsync -a.
• 3998[23:18:19] <donald1> n4dir: I will wait fore somebody else. tough thank you
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• 4000[23:19:18] <n4dir> donald1: sure, a wise decision. On a last not i don't recall i ever had big (or even small) problems re-using config files (be it from /etc or the users home).
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• 4002[23:20:41] <donald1> rumors say we should reuse the .files on the /home. this is wrong
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• 4005[23:21:03] <n4dir> why should that be wrong?
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• 4009[23:23:42] <donald1> because many application rewrite these files or / and ignore these
• 4010[23:23:52] <donald1> it is written on the debian manual
• 4011[23:23:54] <nvz> donald1: you restore the configuration by copying the files back where you got them from.
• 4012[23:24:17] <nvz> donald1: you dont restore config files before install, you do it after the install is finished
• 4013[23:24:52] <nvz> donald1: and no, its stritly AGAINST debian package policy to overwrite such files if they exist without prompting first
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• 4015[23:25:39] <nvz> debian packages aren't allowed to touch /home at all and only can touch /etc if the confgs have not been modified or it asks first
• 4016[23:25:44] <n4dir> donald1: i yet have to run in such a case. As far i can tell applications, when started for the very first time, sometimes do create such files, assuming they don't exist yet
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• 4018[23:26:15] <aura> I'm trying to copy a 20gb file in a sd but some files are not getting copied
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• 4024[23:27:26] <greycat> I've been told that certain Desktop Environments may freak out if they see a config file from a previous instance of themselves, or a different-architecture instance, etc.
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• 4027[23:27:49] <greycat> Obviously people who wrote that shit never used NFS home directories.
• 4028[23:27:52] <donald1> nvz do you have a link to the manual please?
• 4029[23:27:57] <n4dir> greycat: "previous" as in an elder version?
• 4030[23:28:03] <nvz> donald1: man cp
• 4031[23:28:07] <GenTooMan> nvz: I installed debian over GenToo worked fine for me and all my "old" configurations worked as I reinstalled applications. So that seems to be the behavior I ran into.
• 4032[23:28:07] <greycat> I don't know. I don't use desktop environments.
• 4033[23:28:09] <paqcito> Hi guys. I'm having an issue, I'm trying to connect to internet from an Ubuntu I'm running on VirtualBox. Point is my host machine is under an enterprise enviroment which, so if I keep the guest with NAT option sometimes it works sometimes doesn't. I'm trying to make it work with Bridged Adapter option but I sould set up a proxy. I've tried multiple things I've been googling but I haven't made it work yet. Anyone has faced the same i
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• 4036[23:28:34] <aura> what do you use greycat?
• 4037[23:28:43] <greycat> fvwm
• 4038[23:29:15] <n4dir> greycat: ok. it may be. But in general it seems to work pretty well (same version, same architecture and such taken for granted).
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• 4040[23:29:26] <donald1> but you told yourself I must not overwrite the config files :/
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• 4042[23:29:29] <greycat> Yes, I've migrated my $HOME for decades.
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• 4046[23:30:08] <greycat> For a while I shared it between OpenBSD and Debian systems at home. For even longer, I've shared it between Red Hat, Debian, and HP-UX systems at work.
• 4047[23:30:10] <nvz> paqcito: you need to head over to a virtualbox support channel most likely. This is #debian.
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• 4050[23:30:48] <greycat> As far as I'm concerned, an application that can't handle having $HOME simultaneously mounted on disparate Unix systems is broken.
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• 4052[23:30:50] <paqcito> nvz: Thanks. I'll try it. I tried here before since I've got some issues solved here and I hang up mostly here
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• 4056[23:31:47] <nvz> paqcito: if you're running debian and its something related to debian, sure.. your issues are more for virtualbox or networking channels as they have absolutely nothing to do with debian and are mostly about virtualbox and networking
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• 4058[23:31:49] <aura> anyone know what i should do with the copy files problem?
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• 4061[23:32:20] <n4dir> aura: the exact messages you get won't hurt.
• 4062[23:32:27] <paqcito> nvz: You're underating people knowledge here
• 4063[23:32:29] <n4dir> also the command you use, etc.
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• 4066[23:32:44] <EGZEJ> hi. i have downloaded the tar.gz of a package and want to install it on an offline-only machine. how do I do that? when I unpack the tar.gz there are no install information in it and there is no .deb to use with dpkg -i
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• 4068[23:33:00] <nvz> aura: ask a question related to that problem? All I say is you were copying a file an you werent geting some files.. simple.. you can't get files (plural) from issuing a command to copy a file (singular)
• 4069[23:33:14] <aura> i'm using the de, copy paste from main partition to sd
• 4070[23:34:21] <nvz> paqcito: you're ignoring the fact that this channel has a topic and being ignorant to both supporters and other users needing help by tasking them with problems that have nothing at all to do with debian. You serve youself and everyone else best to go to the right channel for whatever issues you have
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• 4073[23:34:53] <paqcito> nvz: Pardon me, sir!
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• 4076[23:35:42] <EGZEJ> specifically i am talking about the wifi firmware package iwlwifi-nonfree ...
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• 4078[23:35:57] <n4dir> aura: in that case the information which filemanager you use would be important. In short: give as much info as you can.
• 4079[23:35:58] <EGZEJ> "firmware-iwlwifi"
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• 4082[23:36:50] <donald1> nvz: you want I merge everything in the future os???
• 4083[23:36:51] <n4dir> aura: if you do know which files don't get copied, investigate if something like ownership might cause the problem. I would use ls -l for such, but i guess filemanagers can give that info by other means.
• 4084[23:36:53] <nvz> EGZEJ: is there some reason why you're getting 3rd party firmware instead of using the firmware that comes in the debian repos?
• 4085[23:37:05] <aura> i'm copying the file again, 19 mb/s writing speed c_c
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• 4087[23:38:40] <EGZEJ> nvz: it is from the nonfree section if that is what you mean. but as i said, the machine is offline so I can't just do an apt-get install
• 4088[23:38:51] <EGZEJ> I downloaded the tar.gz directly from the debian site
• 4089[23:38:55] <aura> anyway when i power down the system some errors show up
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• 4097[23:42:11] <nvz> EGZEJ: debian uses deb files.. and we have deb files for non-free firmware.
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• 4101[23:43:26] <EGZEJ> nvz: replaced-url
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• 4103[23:43:36] <donald1> nvz of course I am sure I can do what you told but is it clean?
• 4104[23:43:37] <EGZEJ> i used the .tar.gz from the right column there
• 4105[23:43:56] <EGZEJ> and didnt see any dbe
• 4106[23:43:58] <EGZEJ> *deb
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• 4110[23:44:56] <EGZEJ> ohh wait, the download "all" option below! there's the deb
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• 4112[23:45:29] <nvz> donald1: look its common practice as greycat said for users to backup and move configs.. for example if I write a program Bunny and it has configs in ~/.bunny if you move, rename, or delete that directory, Bunny will run like its freshly installed, if you put that directory back, it runs exactly like it did when you last had it there.. if not you file a bug and bitch at the developers because they're morons
• 4113[23:46:05] <nvz> EGZEJ: idk what you're talking about if it were me I'd go directly to a mirror
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• 4115[23:46:18] <nvz> EGZEJ: which version of debian is this machine running?
• 4116[23:46:33] <nvz> ,info firmware-iwlwifi
• 4117[23:46:34] <judd> Package firmware-iwlwifi (non-free/kernel, optional) in stretch/amd64: Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cards. Version: 20161130-3; Size: 5394.6k; Installed: 45607k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 4118[23:46:37] <EGZEJ> yeah sorry, I just found the deb, my bad
• 4119[23:46:39] <nvz> doh
• 4120[23:47:08] <nvz> its in /debian/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/ of any package mirror
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