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1[00:00:56] <format_c> Looks reasonable. The same can be done by establishing a chroot environment and run grub-install /dev/sdX && update-grub
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3[00:01:42] <binsey> hey all, I am running clamd and spamd (spamassassin). spamassassin wants to run as root, clamd wants to run as clamav
4[00:01:59] <format_c> This way it's made sure, that the grub binaries are used that are also installed on the system.
5[00:02:18] <format_c> I'm a fan of the manual procedure.
6[00:02:27] <ee> format_c: Ok so I'll just follow that guide from the cellphone once I'm powered down
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8[00:02:37] <vizzy_zzz> what i am doing wrong? i have a usb stick containing stretch netinstall. and another usb stick wher i want to install a minimum debian stretch. i boot from stick 1, partiotion stick 2 for 256 /boot and rest for /, install minimum system + grub ... everything wents fine, until reboot
9[00:02:49] <binsey> I get this error in /var/log/mail.log: "Oct 3 22:42:45 delilah spamd[2382]: pyzor: check failed: internal error, python traceback seen in response"
10[00:02:55] <vizzy_zzz> if i boot frmo stick 2, it says grub rescue mode
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12[00:03:13] <binsey> might this be because of the different users? or is it something else?
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14[00:03:17] <vizzy_zzz> (i tried mbr install with and without efi, and i removed stick 1)
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16[00:03:55] <Brigo> vizzy_zzz, did you installed the grub of the stick 2 from stick 2?
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18[00:04:39] <vizzy_zzz> Brigo ? i booted and installed from stick 1 (netinstall) to stick 2
19[00:04:49] <vizzy_zzz> i installed grub from the installer
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23[00:05:19] <Brigo> vizzy_zzz, i saw that, but is not working and is tricky. Your best bet now is install grub from the stick 2
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26[00:05:59] <vizzy_zzz> brigo, yes, i would do, but it falls in rescue mode, i feel lost in grub
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31[00:07:57] <Brigo> vizzy_zzz, boot from the installer and get into the advanced mode, from there use the stick 2 root partitons as root and boot with that.
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36[00:08:33] <vizzy_zzz> Brigo, ok, let me try, i will try to fix from rescue mode too
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42[00:10:57] <Brigo> vizzy_zzz, from rescue mode you can edit the grub configuration and see if the root partiton, kernel and initramfs path are right.
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60[00:17:42] <madlord> !testing
61[00:17:43] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
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93[00:28:25] <netvor> hi folks, i have a n00b question:
94[00:28:57] <netvor> elf32 does run on amd64 linux by default, right?
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96[00:29:10] <netvor> I mean this one: replaced-url
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99[00:30:01] <netvor> on this one: replaced-url
100[00:30:23] <jasabella> i'd imagine you'd need the 32bit shared libraries installed at least =)
101[00:30:29] <netvor> I know I need to install libs :i386, etc....
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103[00:30:44] <netvor> but if I run the file -- `./runner`
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105[00:31:02] <netvor> I just get "bash: ./runner: No such file or directory"
106[00:31:19] <netvor> which is strange, as I'm right next to the file, in bash ...
107[00:31:20] <jasabella> is it +x?
108[00:31:23] <netvor> yep
109[00:31:49] <netvor> stat : replaced-url
110[00:31:54] <netvor> nothing suspicipus
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114[00:32:14] <netvor> *"suspicious" :)
115[00:32:25] <jasabella> can you put it thru a debugger or ltrace it?
116[00:32:33] <netvor> sec
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121[00:34:11] <netvor> here's ltrace: replaced-url
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123[00:34:16] <netvor> never used it, though
124[00:34:30] <netvor> maybe I should add some more args...
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126[00:35:53] <netvor> here's gdb: replaced-url
127[00:36:15] <jasabella> are you even in the right directory? ls?
128[00:36:22] <netvor> yep :)
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132[00:37:44] <netvor> fuller: replaced-url
133[00:37:50] <netvor> (but not really)
134[00:38:01] <netvor> (just showing I am in the right dir)
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137[00:38:41] <jasabella> file runner
138[00:38:44] <jasabella> are you gaslighting me? :P
139[00:39:00] <netvor> that thing is gaslighting me! :D
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142[00:39:12] <netvor> seriously, I don't know what's wrong
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145[00:40:36] <netvor> wildest guess is that it calls bash, then chdirs to bad dir, then calls itself..? then this is from the inner bash...
146[00:40:50] <netvor> reminds me of more options, gonna try strace
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148[00:41:43] <netvor> no more info: replaced-url
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150[00:42:30] <jasabella> 32-bit libs arent installed by default in amd64 flavor keep in mind
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152[00:43:24] <vizzy_zzz> mh, couldnt fix it in rescue mode, grub says unknown filesystem or so
153[00:43:45] <netvor> I do, but I would expect other message
154[00:43:50] <jasabella> i think you'll need to install those :)
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156[00:44:16] <jasabella> netvor... add the architecture with dpkg and install them
157[00:44:18] <vizzy_zzz> i had to change boot order in bios, then it boots up from stick2, BUT fails on initramfs which complains that sdc does not exist, ... its now sdb ... argh! wtf? i thought its all mapped by id or uuid now.....
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159[00:44:33] <netvor> jasabella: you mean this is kernel's way of saying it can't load libs...?
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161[00:44:55] <netvor> I tried ldd on it and it says the elf is not dynamic
162[00:45:00] <netvor> btw
163[00:45:26] <vizzy_zzz> ok, today is failure day.... now both vms running with zfs are going down with uncorrectable io errors, muahahahahaha
164[00:45:28] <jasabella> you're missing like the 32bit libc and things like that most likely :)
165[00:45:33] <vizzy_zzz> i got to bed!
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167[00:47:20] * netvor is looking at Multiarch/HowTo
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170[00:49:11] <jasabella> totally different set of shared libraries yeah
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180[00:56:55] <netvor> jasabella: right
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182[00:57:32] <netvor> jasabella: so I installed libc6:i386, now it speaks more sane error message :D
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186[00:58:02] <jasabella> awesome
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188[00:58:15] <netvor> but I knew I would need to install all these libs
189[00:58:34] <netvor> I was just all so gaslit by the friggin error!
190[00:58:49] <netvor> so I though that it's another prob
191[00:58:51] <netvor> mg
192[00:58:58] <netvor> thanks, anyway, jasabella
193[00:59:01] <jasabella> yw :)
194[00:59:11] <netvor> oh the weirdness :)
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217[01:10:26] <aging> is there a dosemu support channel?
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220[01:11:49] <aging> any use dosemu to run bbs doors on debian?
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222[01:12:19] <annadane> aging, you're in the right channel
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225[01:12:51] <aging> *phew*
226[01:13:16] <nvz> ...and asking the wrong questions
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229[01:13:58] <aging> i think i have some permission problems... it tries to make some dirs when im starting the doorgame but of course 'permission denied'
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231[01:15:14] <aging> why does it even need to make a dir? would that be the mounting of a directory as a drive?
232[01:16:19] <nvz> thats how dosbox worked, it mounted a directory as a drive, idk what dosemu is though
233[01:16:51] <aging> so by the wrong questions you want me to ask about dosbox?! lol
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235[01:17:21] <nvz> no what you just said was the right question.. about permissions, polling use of a particular app is useless to both of us
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237[01:18:14] <annadane> !anyone
238[01:18:14] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
239[01:18:22] <aging> i was getting there =p
240[01:18:50] <aging> dpkg give me some popcorn
241[01:18:51] * dpkg gives aging some popcorn
242[01:18:54] <aging> thanks!
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245[01:19:26] <aging> dpkg more popcorn
246[01:19:26] <dpkg> aging: are you using Windows?
247[01:19:33] <aging> dpkg no
248[01:19:33] <dpkg> No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users.
249[01:19:34] <nvz> aging: you need to be a bit more specific so we know what you need help with.. I gather you're running some dos program in an emulator and all that is fairly irrelevant.. we need specifics on the llocation you've mounted in this emulator, the command you ran and its exact output
250[01:19:40] <annadane> aging, please stop abusing the bot
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252[01:19:52] <aging> aging!
253[01:20:04] <aging> ok... i need to eat then i will come back w/details
254[01:20:06] <aging> ty
255[01:20:31] <nvz> sounds good.. I been picking at my dinner for hours now.. I'm hungry but either I dont like this food or I'm just sick :P
256[01:20:47] <aging> sorry =/
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258[01:21:21] <nvz> gonna go poll the neighbors about it.. heh.. figure out if its just me or if this isn't good
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260[01:21:29] <aging> haha, do it
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269[01:27:37] <jasabella> gl!
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293[01:36:45] <aloo_shu> never new how entertaining dpkg can be. apparantly its original creators didn't have dryness in mind when educating it :)
294[01:36:55] <aloo_shu> s/new/knew
295[01:37:57] <aging> does "2> somefile.name" output the errors of a debian command?
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306[01:43:08] <aloo_shu> "somecommand > somefile" should save the output of somecommand in somefile in the current directory. If the command generates output about erreors, they will be there. Not always so if the command *terminates* with an error. the shell will show an error number in that case, and that may help with troubleshooting.
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308[01:43:49] <aging> wont that put all the output to the file?
309[01:43:55] <aloo_shu> yes
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314[01:46:07] <aloo_shu> for something more intelligent, ask someone else. I think default output for errs can be set as an environment variable, 'printenv' for clues maybe
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317[01:48:26] <jasabella> aging... assuming you're using bash replaced-url
318[01:48:43] <aging> ya bash thx
319[01:49:40] <jasabella> if a process doesn't print an exit code, look at $? ( replaced-url
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334[01:55:46] <aging> so... dosemu "can't create local /root/.dosemu directory" when i login to the BBS/run door game on different machine on LAN, but works fine when I login from the debian machine running the BBS/door
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351[02:02:14] <Maid-Chan> Is there some reason this wouldn't work? >> sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 {path_to_iso} {mount_point} << it's reporting wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
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362[02:06:13] <aloo_shu> aging looks like you installed and run dosemu as root, maybe security policy prevents doing things root over network. if possible, running it as normal user would seem preferrable
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375[02:15:09] <Maid-Chan> so removing the -t iso9660 worked. Dunno why or how to know when to use that.
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382[02:18:24] <kion> found this in my syslog: iwlwifi-8000C-26.ucode failed with error -2 What does that mean?
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403[02:36:25] <themill> kion: it means the iwlwifi firmware couldn't be found; it may have found a different bit of firmware instead
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409[02:38:50] <kion> themill, I installed firmware-iwlwifi and my wifi is working fine...
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411[02:39:11] <kion> themill, but the message still appears, and also every time I poweroff
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415[02:42:58] <themill> sure, the kernel module just knows that it *can* load that firmware not that your wifi card actually needs it.
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436[02:54:49] <aging> aloo_shu - i will check that... i normally use sudo but who knows, i did chown the dosemu dir, lemme reinstall!!! ohboy ohboy ohboy!!!
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441[02:57:20] <patterson> Reinstall is not allowed
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443[02:57:32] <aging> uninstall?
444[02:57:36] <aging> then install
445[02:57:37] <patterson> Just kidding.
446[02:57:41] <aging> =p
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451[03:01:48] <aging> same crap
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475[03:14:08] <aging> ...this does shed a new light tho!
476[03:14:13] <eli_> .
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480[03:16:29] <eli_> Does anyone here know anything about qualcomm wireless adapters and how to get them to work on linux? Can't find a solution.
481[03:16:49] <ntz> hello ppl, I'm attempting to write a script/plugin for gimp that just scales selection by certain criteria .. can you please gimme output from followung command on hw displays ? returns thing like this: replaced-url
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485[03:17:20] <ntz> thanks!
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487[03:17:37] <ntz> perl -e 'for $x ("-v", "--listmonitors", "-q") { print foreach("# xrandr $x\n", qx/xrandr $x/); }' | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' ##replaced-url
488[03:17:39] <nvz> I wonder what would cause a file transfer to slow down over time I told this thing to move about 37GB from one USB hdd to another about an hour and a half ago and it was going at about 18MB/s said about 35min, and now its at 3.7MB/s saying 37min left and its been over 90min :P
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492[03:18:11] <aging> is it a netgear dongle?
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510[03:30:06] <eliergweg> Does anyone know anything about Qualcomm wireless adapters and how to get them to work on Linux? I can't find anything.
511[03:30:35] <aging> does it say qualcomm on the package? or netgear?
512[03:30:47] <nvz> I know nobody cares if its a qualcom adapter
513[03:31:09] <nvz> the relevant information are the vendor/product IDs or make/model number
514[03:32:00] <eliergweg> Well it came with my motherboard, it some Asus 2t2r adapter but when I was on Windows it came up as Qualcomm. idk
515[03:32:37] <nvz> I havent used windows in ages but last I did even windows could show the vend/prod id codes in device manager
516[03:32:56] <eliergweg> antenna*
517[03:33:05] <nvz> if its pci lspci -nn will show the vend/prod id code
518[03:34:14] <aging> ^
519[03:34:31] <eliergweg> Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter
520[03:34:44] <nvz> again that information is fairly irrelevant
521[03:35:03] <nvz> one would need the vendor/product ID code.. its the [1234:ABCD] bit
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523[03:35:18] <eliergweg> [168c:003e]
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525[03:35:31] <nvz> hardware compatibility lists, google, drivers, etc don't give a damn what its called they look it up by that code
526[03:35:49] <dvs> ,pciid 168c:003e
527[03:35:50] <judd> [168c:003e] is 'QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath10k-pci' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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529[03:36:21] <nvz> dvs: way to come in and steal the thunder :P
530[03:36:33] <dvs> :-)
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532[03:36:49] <nvz> dvs: anything else I can do all the work for? heh
533[03:37:02] <dvs> shine my shoes!
534[03:37:33] <nvz> yeah thats probably not a good idea I'll probably end up ruining your shoes and make a big mess and wind up looking african
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536[03:37:57] <nvz> I'm not good at things that can be messy..
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541[03:38:46] <nvz> dvs: I wasnt sure if kmuto still maintained a HCL and totally forgot the bot could do that, I was gonn fgi
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544[03:39:11] <dvs> nope, kenshi gave it up.
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546[03:41:23] <nvz> idk but this file transfer getting progressively slower baffles me this machine is offline and nothing else running on it, and it only has like 1gb ram it'd have ran out of cache space a long time ago
547[03:41:59] <nvz> doing smaller file transfers they seem to stay at about 18MB/s but larger ones slow down half way through
548[03:42:27] <nvz> and these are two brand new WD Passport 1tb drives
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550[03:43:08] <nvz> I should probably use rsync instead when I move this 600+ GB
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553[03:43:53] <nvz> these graphical file managers always seem to muck things up
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559[03:45:55] <DJDan> how do i get debian to auto-login to root on reboot
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561[03:46:25] <nvz> DJDan: you need to be a little more specific about what you're trying to do
562[03:46:43] <DJDan> i have a vmbox with debian, id like it to just login in the commandline to root
563[03:46:59] <DJDan> without the prompt
564[03:47:06] <nvz> DJDan: rungetty could probably accomplish this
565[03:47:22] <nvz> I've never done such a thing but rungetty is pretty flexible
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567[03:48:59] <nvz> oh wait apparently agetty can too
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569[03:49:45] <DJDan> i tried agetty -a root didnt seem to do anything
570[03:49:57] <nvz> DJDan: in the systemd service file?
571[03:50:03] <DJDan> oh wheres that
572[03:50:39] <nvz> replaced-url
573[03:50:39] <n4n0`> o my
574[03:50:43] <n4n0`> i just cant
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576[03:51:32] <nvz> DJDan: you have to change the way agetty is started at boot, just running agetty isnt going to work
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581[03:55:53] <DJDan> i see. what does /bin/systemctl --no-block start getty@tty2.service to tty6 actually do
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587[03:58:40] <DJDan> it seems to be using that not agetty
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601[04:04:16] <DJDan> nvz: the instructions arent very clear. debian 9 is using systemctl not agety
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836[06:25:26] <alive876_> i'm trying to understand ssh a little better. when i run this ssh-copy-id user@xx.xx.xx.xx it copies my ssh keys to xx.xx.xx.xx. without a password? or am i missing something
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842[06:30:30] <ChmEarl> alive876_, there is a public and private part to an ssh key. Only the public part is copied. See ~/.ssh
843[06:31:53] <ChmEarl> the public key is world-readabl
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846[06:32:48] <alive876_> <ChmEarl> i understand only the public part is copied, but doesn't that allow me to log in without a password?
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849[06:33:55] <ChmEarl> you give password once. Once is enough
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853[06:35:52] <ChmEarl> alive876_, Normally, you give the password once. If it didn't ask for a password with ssh-copy-id, then its not a normal situation
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1075[09:03:03] <pragomer> need help with sshfs mount: got a strato hidrive and mounting it via fstab, with these options:
1076[09:03:04] <pragomer> uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0,allow_other,_netdev 0 0
1077[09:03:20] <pragomer> but I always get "Only root can mount...." when clicking on it in thunar.
1078[09:03:31] <pragomer> so I always have to go to terminal and do "sudo mount -a"
1079[09:03:37] <pragomer> any help for me?
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1088[09:07:45] <Haohmaru> reading a page on archlinux wiki, and it says i can try "adding nouveau.noaccel=1 to the kernel parameters" .. then it shows a way how to add parameters via grub - those instructions kinda differ from what i'm familiar with
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1091[09:09:10] <Haohmaru> ..i've changed the grub background image before, which only required running update-grub, but this wiki instructs a different thing: grub-mkconfig -c ...
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1094[09:10:05] <Haohmaru> does it apply to debian? should i follow those instructions or just edit the grub config, then update-grub, or something else?
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1099[09:12:53] <Haohmaru> ah, my actual grub config has comments suggesting to use update-grub
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1106[09:17:31] <BenNZ> Haohmaru: can if you want but update-grub is just a script that runs grub-mkconfig
1107[09:17:59] <Haohmaru> well, it's "simple to use" ;P~
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1109[09:18:35] <BenNZ> pragomer: i would suggest that you create a script that mounts the share and is called from /etc/rc.local
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1111[09:18:50] <BenNZ> Haohmaru: are you wanting to blacklist nouveau ?
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1113[09:19:28] <pragomer> I think rc.local does not exist anymore in stretch, right?
1114[09:19:51] <BenNZ> pragomer: its in sid so i assume in stretch
1115[09:19:55] <Haohmaru> BenNZ no.. i have a very beat-up old nvidia card, and it causes the system to freeze (all but the mouse cursor and ssh keeps working)
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1117[09:20:18] <Haohmaru> and on the other hand i need to use a CAD program which requires a certain level of opengl
1118[09:20:40] <Haohmaru> so i'm trying to see if i can somehow get it working for longer periods
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1120[09:20:51] <BenNZ> Haohmaru: depending on your de i would recommend that you disable 3d effects etc , also check the cpu and gpu temps
1121[09:21:08] <Haohmaru> i'm using lxde, no fancy things
1122[09:21:34] <Hooloovo0> you're not going to have a good time with CAD and a bad graphics card
1123[09:21:42] <Haohmaru> yup
1124[09:21:43] <Hooloovo0> what card?
1125[09:21:58] <Hooloovo0> and what program?
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1127[09:23:04] <Haohmaru> Hooloovo0 NVIDIA Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] [10de:0402] (rev a1)
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1129[09:23:07] <Haohmaru> and kicad
1130[09:23:33] <Hooloovo0> kicad isn't like real cad in terms of graphics, right?
1131[09:23:38] <Hooloovo0> it's all 2d stuff
1132[09:23:52] <Haohmaru> it actually is
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1134[09:24:10] <Hooloovo0> oh, wasn't aware of that
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1136[09:24:49] <Haohmaru> the pcb editor can use either opengl or cairo, and cairo is fully software rendering.. on one cpu core
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1138[09:25:17] <Haohmaru> also, there's a very useful 3D pcb viewer built-in
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1149[09:26:54] <__marco> Hello. apt-get update reports the following error:
1150[09:26:57] <__marco> replaced-url
1151[09:27:03] <__marco> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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1155[09:28:07] <dexta> morning
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1169[09:34:38] <__marco> no idea?
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1233[09:51:35] <unixbassen> @channel, after installing pinta, i get: "166 new root certificates were added to your trust store." - is it safe to ignore or?
1234[09:51:54] <jelly-home> ,i pinta
1235[09:51:56] <judd> Package pinta (graphics, optional) in stretch/amd64: Simple drawing/painting program. Version: 1.6-2; Size: 677.4k; Installed: 2795k; Homepage: replaced-url
1236[09:52:19] <jelly-home> unixbassen: can you show full logs of the installation and the command you used?
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1238[09:52:34] <jelly-home> !paste
1239[09:52:35] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1241[09:53:00] <unixbassen> jelly-home: sec
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1244[09:53:55] <unixbassen> jelly-home: i think this is happening because pinta uses mono - "Updating Mono key store"
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1257[10:02:13] <unixbassen> It is becuase of mono i found
1258[10:02:23] <unixbassen> trying to erase these certs
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1260[10:02:48] <unixbassen> i tried apt-get autoremove and autoclean, seems like it might have helped
1261[10:03:04] <jelly-home> if it's the first time you got ca-certificates-mono installed, that's likely
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1361[10:52:30] <ForceRecon> Does anyone know how to fix this message? I tried a couple browsers, even added some addons but to no avail. - replaced-url
1362[10:52:40] <ForceRecon> Does this run for anyone else?
1363[10:53:14] <ForceRecon> its a class on Cryptography, video..
1364[10:54:44] <ForceRecon> Linux JBSPKDT001 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u5 (2017-09-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1369[10:56:00] <colo-work> ForceRecon, you probably need a browser with the Adobe Flash plug-in enabled for that
1370[10:56:15] <colo-work> I don't know if that's still possible on a GNU/Linux OS
1371[10:56:25] <colo-work> (it used to be, but Flash is quasi-dead technology)
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1373[10:57:01] <ForceRecon> if I am able to see the movies on youtube is that due to html5 allowance? I added a couple plugins that should have enabled adobe flash, but still get same message
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1377[10:58:11] <jelly-home> ForceRecon: you could install google chrome and see if it works there
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1382[11:00:02] <JustASlacker> ForceRecon: try downloading the video
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1384[11:00:10] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
1385[11:00:45] <JustASlacker> and see if you can play it locally with vlc
1386[11:01:04] <jelly-home> it only works for me on Chrome if I enable flash everywhere on that site. Doesn't even ask like it used to
1387[11:01:04] <JustASlacker> or just get google-chrome :D
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1390[11:01:40] <dionysus69> until when does stretch have security updates?
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1393[11:02:36] <jelly-home> dionysus69: date of buster release + 1 year
1394[11:02:49] <dionysus69> buster meaning next stable?
1395[11:02:51] <jelly-home> and then support by LTS team until 5 years of age
1396[11:03:00] <jelly-home> yes
1397[11:03:12] <dionysus69> so it is pretty much same as ubuntu lts ?
1398[11:03:18] <dionysus69> lifecycle-wise
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1400[11:04:44] <ForceRecon> I get the same thing in chrome
1401[11:05:02] <ForceRecon> just downloaded it, installed it, restarted it
1402[11:05:11] <ForceRecon> This text is replaced by the Flash movie.
1403[11:05:26] <jelly-home> ForceRecon: see the address bar? click on the icone left of it
1404[11:06:08] <jelly-home> ForceRecon: the little i in a circle.
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1409[11:06:41] <jelly-home> ForceRecon: then Flash -> change to "Always allow on this site"
1410[11:06:45] <jelly-home> then reload the page
1411[11:07:17] <jelly-home> or use mpv
1412[11:07:23] <jelly-home> mpv replaced-url
1413[11:07:52] <jelly-home> dionysus69: ubuntu has time-based releases, debian doesn't
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1415[11:08:23] <dionysus69> ok ok thanks, I found it stretch LTS support is up to aprox 2022 which is fine
1416[11:08:24] <jelly-home> dionysus69: and the future of LTS project depends on steady income.
1417[11:09:03] <jelly-home> dionysus69: consider donating esp. if you use debian in your business
1418[11:09:15] <dionysus69> doesnt canonical invest resources into debian maintenance ?
1419[11:09:34] <jonathan_x> I think lots of developers develop for both.
1420[11:09:41] <jonathan_x> Ie. Martin Pitt
1421[11:09:48] <jonathan_x> Colin Law
1422[11:09:53] <jelly-home> dionysus69: no, not directly
1423[11:10:00] <jonathan_x> Watson * :p.
1424[11:10:10] <dionysus69> hmm weird because fate of ubuntu is bound to fate of debian
1425[11:10:35] <jelly-home> they had LTS releases WAY before debian
1426[11:10:45] <jonathan_x> Canonical employs people who also work on Debian...
1427[11:11:29] <jonathan_x> And who have both @debian and @ubuntu addresses to begin with.
1428[11:11:37] <jelly-home> jonathan_x: they don't employ the whole of debian's security team or debian's LTS team
1429[11:11:44] <jonathan_x> I understand.
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1431[11:12:11] <jonathan_x> Martin Pitt generally does systemd on debian/ubuntu
1432[11:12:16] <jelly-home> so that fact is not relevant for the state of debian's security updates
1433[11:12:20] <jonathan_x> Ok.
1434[11:12:37] <jonathan_x> Missed that part.
1435[11:13:19] <jonathan_x> Colin Watson does all kinds of stuff.. at least Grub2.
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1439[11:14:26] <jonathan_x> And I saw him in the release notes of some packages from Stretch but I don't remember what :p.
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1443[11:15:13] <jonathan_x> Does this mean Jessie is supported until next july?
1444[11:15:23] <shodp> I'm trying to install virtualbox, but the configuration tells me I need linux-headers-4.11.0-1-amd64. However I cannot find this package on debian stable or debian testing
1445[11:15:32] <sweb> i want to recomplie my package using `dpkg-buildpackage` but it seems be compile my package debug mode how can i change to no debug mode
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1447[11:15:42] <sweb> here my command dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc
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1449[11:16:02] <jonathan_x> shodp: It might need a minimum header version, not exact.
1450[11:16:15] <shodp> jonathan_x: I installed 4.12 and still get the same error$
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1452[11:16:49] <jonathan_x> Then I have no clue. Is this on installation or on use?
1453[11:17:01] <ForceRecon> jelly-home: thanks for the information.. I actually had to go into settings then make the change to flash as always allow, just checking it to allow from the little i in the circle did not work.. but it is working now.. THANKS!
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1456[11:17:14] <shodp> jonathan_x: like that: replaced-url
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1462[11:18:21] <jonathan_x> So does "apt-get install linux-headers-amd64" also fail?
1463[11:18:25] <jonathan_x> It seems to use that as fallback.
1464[11:19:16] <jonathan_x> Normally amd64 is not in the name.
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1466[11:19:32] <shodp> jonathan_x: this worked, but it installed linux-headers-amd64_4.9+80+deb9u1_amd64.deb
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1468[11:19:48] <jonathan_x> so it complains about that still?
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1470[11:20:16] <shodp> jonathan_x: yes I guess 4.9 is not high enough, I thought I had installed 4.12 but apparently the installation of 4.12 failed
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1472[11:20:32] <jonathan_x> So is this a package or from upstream?
1473[11:21:09] <jonathan_x> ,v linux-image
1474[11:21:10] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
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1476[11:21:16] <jonathan_x> ,v linux-image-amd64
1477[11:21:17] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+80~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 4.12+84~bpo9+1; buster: 4.12+85; sid: 4.13+86
1478[11:21:28] <jonathan_x> You can use backports.
1479[11:22:03] <jonathan_x> Put stretch-backports in your sources.list.
1480[11:22:12] <jonathan_x> If this is what's necessary.
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1483[11:22:51] <shodp> jonathan_x: I'm installing now, but without backports; I guess it's taking the package from testing, is that the same?
1484[11:23:02] <jonathan_x> Almost the same.
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1487[11:23:36] <jonathan_x> If you run into issues you may need backports.
1488[11:24:05] <jonathan_x> But unlikely for a kernel I guess... :-/.
1489[11:24:16] <shodp> jonathan_x: I'm still getting the same error, perhaps it wants 4.11 exactly?
1490[11:24:19] <shodp> replaced-url
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1492[11:24:27] <shodp> the message on the bottom is what is in the log file they mention
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1494[11:25:00] <shodp> ,v linux-headers-4.11.0-1-amd64
1495[11:25:01] <judd> No package named 'linux-headers-4.11.0-1-amd64' was found in amd64.
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1497[11:25:19] <jonathan_x> Then maybe you should set "KERN_DIR=<directory>" or edit the script, I can't help you otherwise, sorry.
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1499[11:25:58] <shodp> jonathan_x: what would be the KERN_DIR?
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1501[11:26:49] <jonathan_x> shodp: either something like /usr/src/linux or /usr/src/linux-headers I don't know. The full kernel source is normally not unpacked on your system.
1502[11:27:13] <jonathan_x> shodp: You'll have to troubleshoot that yourself, or change the script.
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1504[11:27:22] <jonathan_x> Also again is this a package from Debian?
1505[11:27:39] <shodp> jonathan_x: no this is the dpkg virtualbox from their website
1506[11:27:45] <jonathan_x> I thought so.
1507[11:27:57] <jonathan_x> You're on your own man. If you can edit the script maybe it will work fine.
1508[11:28:07] <shodp> jonathan_x: I had an issue with the virtualbox from debian, genymotion was not detecting it properly; I saw someone fixing the problem by installing the deb directly
1509[11:28:11] <shodp> jonathan_x: no problem, thank you for your help
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1536[11:41:08] <shodp> jonathan_x: actually I'm having the same issue with the debian package virtualbox: Module build for kernel 4.11.0-1-amd64 was skipped since thekernel headers for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
1537[11:42:20] <jonathan_x> shodp: Still can't help you, I have no experience with recent VirtualBox and I would have to install try etc etc myself, sorry.
1538[11:42:27] <shodp> np
1539[11:42:51] <jonathan_x> But why not edit the part where it defines what package it wants?
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1542[11:43:03] <jonathan_x> You may only have to change one line.
1543[11:43:15] <jonathan_x> Not sure what else to say. Regards.
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1546[11:44:59] <shodp> does anyone know which file he means I want to edit?
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1554[11:49:37] <nindustries> Hi. debootstrap fails with /usr/share/debootstrap/suite no such file or directry, when I do --second-stage
1555[11:49:41] <nindustries> ideas?
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1559[11:49:50] <nindustries> I'm trying to install debian to a separate disk
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1580[11:59:16] <uros> hello, does anyone know what's the propper way to install gcc-7 (g++-7 etc) on Stretch?
1581[11:59:37] <bazhang> find gcc
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1583[12:00:51] <bazhang> uros, where do you see gcc-7
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1585[12:01:17] <uros> bazhang: what do you mean?
1586[12:01:55] <bazhang> uros, is that the very newest of the new gcc?
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1588[12:02:17] <petn-randall> uros: there isn't a way. You could create a testing/sid chroot and install it there.
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1590[12:02:23] <petn-randall> *supported way
1591[12:02:38] <petn-randall> also:
1592[12:02:39] <petn-randall> !sns
1593[12:02:40] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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1596[12:02:45] <uros> depends on the definition of "very" lol, but yeah, its somewhat new
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1598[12:04:12] <uros> petn-randall: haha, never heard of that, cool
1599[12:05:16] <uros> in my defence, i'm using debian stable for a reason, and i just need c++17 standard, thats all
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1630[12:24:21] <petn-randall> uros: You can create a chroot, which is a "mini-installation" where you can have all of testing or sid's userland. It's the safest way.
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1634[12:25:31] <petn-randall> uros: Install debootstrap and look at 'man debootstrap' how to set up a testing chroot.
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1709[12:50:49] <Almtesh> Hi everyone!
1710[12:50:59] <Sveta> hello
1711[12:51:06] <WhereIsTwinkey> Sveta: hi
1712[12:51:20] <Almtesh> Does anyone knows how debconf-set-selections works on already installed packages?
1713[12:51:28] <darxmurf> huh, still no news for this bug ?? replaced-url
1714[12:51:29] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1718[12:52:12] <babilen> darxmurf: That appears to be the case
1719[12:52:34] <babilen> Almtesh: It updates the value in the debconf database
1720[12:53:11] <Almtesh> Yes, I see, but what about the packages' configuration on installed packages?
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1723[12:53:40] <Almtesh> I want to change a already installed package's configuration.
1724[12:54:04] <Almtesh> (for the records, it's about locales, tzdata and keyboard-configuration)
1725[12:54:09] <babilen> Depending on what you want to do, you might be after "dpkg-reconfigure PKG"
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1728[12:54:24] <Almtesh> But I want to do it non-interactively.
1729[12:54:52] <Almtesh> babilen, yes, but I want to find how to apply debconf's configuration on dpkg-reconfigure.
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1731[12:55:30] <Almtesh> babilen, and, of course, without any interaction.
1732[12:55:49] <babilen> So run "dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata"
1733[12:56:00] <babilen> But, in those cases, I'd just manage the files directly
1734[12:56:08] <Almtesh> babilen, it does not apply debconf's configuration.
1735[12:56:18] <Almtesh> babilen, more, it changes it.
1736[12:57:01] <babilen> Write to /etc/timezone and run it
1737[12:57:15] <babilen> And you did set the desired value with debconf-set-selections?
1738[12:57:38] <Almtesh> I'm trying, but will it work for locales and keyboard-configuration packages?
1739[12:57:45] <babilen> But for tzdata I'd just write to /etc/timezone and run it
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1742[12:58:20] <babilen> /etc/timezone is a symbolic link that you can change easily
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1751[12:59:43] <babilen> Also see /etc/locale.gen and /etc/default/locale (although I wouldn't recommend to set a default locale)
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1753[13:00:04] <Almtesh> babilen, I just tryed to change /etc/timezone to "Europe/Paris", and then "dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata", it changed back /etc/timeone to "Etc/UTC" and but it back.
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1755[13:00:30] <babilen> You mean you updated the symlink?
1756[13:00:35] <Almtesh> Sorry, I'm going to lunch, I'll be back in a few time.
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1759[13:01:49] <babilen> Ah, /etc/localtime is the symlink
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1762[13:02:51] <babilen> Almtesh: So, try to run "ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Paris /etc/localtime"
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1779[13:13:00] <hiya> Firefox is old
1780[13:13:08] <hiya> Why won't you release an updated version to us?
1781[13:13:22] <petn-randall> hiya: me?
1782[13:13:29] <hiya> petn-randall: sure
1783[13:13:37] <petemc> !mozilla.debian.net
1784[13:13:38] <dpkg> For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at replaced-url
1785[13:13:40] <petn-randall> hiya: I'm keeping the newest version to myself.
1786[13:13:45] <petn-randall> ,v firefox
1787[13:13:46] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 56.0-2
1788[13:13:55] <ntz> hiya: surprisingly - nobody is obligated to release anything for anynody
1789[13:13:59] <petn-randall> ,v firefox-esr
1790[13:14:00] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.3.0esr-1~deb8u2; buster: 52.3.0esr-2; jessie-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.4.0esr-2~deb7u1; sid: 52.4.0esr-2
1791[13:14:15] <hiya> Sorry, this version is not available.
1792[13:14:16] <hiya> lol
1793[13:14:33] <hiya> mozilla.debian.net has no release firefox version for Debian 9
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1795[13:15:20] <jelly-home> hiya: no, release versions of firefox have interesting build deps that are not satisfied in stretch
1796[13:15:34] <jelly-home> rust, and new enough
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1812[13:19:12] <petn-randall> I also wouldn't call the version in stable "old", that was released less than a week ago.
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1825[13:25:27] <jelly-home> hiya: you can probably use mozilla's build if you want, get their tarball, unpack it somewhere as your user and use it
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1829[13:26:15] <philip1> hello
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1832[13:26:53] <philip1> i installed pivpn on a vps and the vpn is working fine but the vps doesnt have internet access anymore
1833[13:27:13] <philip1> when i connect to the vpn i do have internet
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1841[13:35:54] <hiya> jelly-home: yes :D
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1866[13:48:48] <AndroUser> hello everyone
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1868[13:49:17] <darxmurf> hi
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1871[13:50:08] <AndroUser> does anyone here have steam installed?
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1879[13:52:23] <Epakai> !steam
1880[13:52:23] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
1881[13:52:44] <ForceRecon> yes
1882[13:53:00] <ForceRecon> but you can only play linux ported games
1883[13:53:17] <AndroUser> i already have it installed, but everytime I try to run a game it gets extremely laggy
1884[13:53:56] <jim> !listkeys apt-cacher
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1886[13:53:58] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'apt-cacher' by key (4): _default apt-cacher ;; #debian apt-cacher ;; apt-cacher-ng ;; apt-cacher.
1887[13:54:00] <Epakai> which vendor/graphics card are you using? which drivers?
1888[13:54:15] <ForceRecon> video issue or network issue? Is it playing the game while downloading.. you change your settings to allow more bandwidth in steam?
1889[13:55:00] <jim> doesn't talk about the recent problem involving certain files (which is the problem I'm having)
1890[13:55:14] <ForceRecon> you missing lib32
1891[13:55:19] <ForceRecon> or something like that
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1893[13:55:48] <AndroUser> I dint really understand about hardware but i got invidia vga and haven't installed any additional driver on debian, I only play game, not download anything, in my Windows OS the game runs very smoothly before
1894[13:56:10] <AndroUser> I've tried to lower the graphic quality,but doesn't work
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1901[13:58:49] <onlyjoke_> sorry my connection is unstable now
1902[13:59:09] <ForceRecon> tough call andro.. I am using nvidia, had to install lib drivers because steam would not start.. once I did that I was able to play my games and they run really really well..
1903[13:59:17] <hellyeah> i cannot move applicsation between windows
1904[13:59:19] <hellyeah> thats bad
1905[13:59:25] <ForceRecon> if you are playing a game on steam it has to be downloaded before you can play it.
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1907[14:00:24] <onlyjoke_> how to install it man?
1908[14:00:41] <onlyjoke_> yes, i mean i already downloaded it and then play it
1909[14:00:44] <ForceRecon> are you stating that you used this machine with windows and everything ran well?
1910[14:00:56] <onlyjoke_> but it gets extremely laggy
1911[14:01:09] <jim> usually it'll have its own man page (if it's an executable)
1912[14:01:20] <onlyjoke_> I've uninstalled my windows
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1915[14:01:57] <ForceRecon> Are you running debian linux on a machine that was previously windows?
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1917[14:02:17] <ForceRecon> is your machine up to date?
1918[14:02:31] <onlyjoke_> yes, i think it's uptodate
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1920[14:03:06] <onlyjoke_> how to install lib drivers you talked about?
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1922[14:03:54] <ForceRecon> if steam is running you might not have to do this
1923[14:03:56] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
1924[14:04:18] <ForceRecon> that is a starting point. read and you will figure it out.. I don't think this is necessary but you never know
1925[14:04:48] <ForceRecon> I needed this to get steam to just start.. your issue seems to be more video related..
1926[14:05:16] <ForceRecon> then again, are you playing others online? or is this a single player game and only runs on your machine
1927[14:05:27] <ForceRecon> video or network would be my guess..
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1932[14:07:08] <ForceRecon> also if you are running windowed mode that takes up more resources, so you might want to keep it full screen
1933[14:07:14] <ForceRecon> lots of variables..
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1935[14:08:10] <onlyjoke_> yeah , I also think its about the video driver
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1937[14:08:21] <onlyjoke_> i play other online
1938[14:08:54] <onlyjoke_> I've tried both window mode and full screen, seems just the same
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1940[14:09:31] <onlyjoke_> anyway thanks for the response, ill try to read that document
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1942[14:09:59] <ForceRecon> good luck.. really
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1948[14:13:38] <ChrisH> I am facing some weird problems with cups after upgradeing to stretch. Cups-server is still wheezy; cups setup was working for years and now lpstat -t does now longer show any printers. I modified cpus-browsed.conf to poll the cupsserver without success. Neither client nor server side cups logs show errors.
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1951[14:14:42] <jim> just to make sure.,..
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1954[14:15:41] <jim> you mean that the cups server (being the machine to which the printer is directly connected) is running debian wheezy?
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1958[14:18:02] <jim> ChrisH, ^^
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1965[14:21:06] <Almtesh> babilen, sorry, I'm back.
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1967[14:21:26] <Almtesh> I'm trying the symlink think you gave me once I leaved.
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1970[14:22:28] <ChrisH> jim: correct, printserver is still running wheezy. Printers are connected via network.
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1975[14:23:34] <Almtesh> babilen, dpkg-reconfigure overwrote the /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Paris through the symlink.
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2015[14:37:30] <sweb> i can compile v8 on debian 9
2016[14:37:35] <sweb> any one can help me
2017[14:37:40] <sweb> replaced-url
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2020[14:38:03] <simo123456789> ciao
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2023[14:38:43] <simo123456789> film
2024[14:38:50] <simo123456789> come si fa?
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2037[14:41:17] <petn-randall> sweb: Is this on Ubuntu?
2038[14:41:25] <sweb> no debian 9
2039[14:42:02] <sweb> petn-randall: debian stretch
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2041[14:42:42] <jelly-home> sweb: do they say to build it as root?
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2044[14:42:59] <sweb> jelly-home: it's docker container
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2049[14:43:50] <jelly-home> sweb: nevertheless, did you try doing it as normal user?
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2051[14:44:29] <JustASlacker> is there any reason why a rewrite with .htaccess should not work with debian 9.1 ?
2052[14:44:33] <sweb> jelly-home: why should i there is no documentation for special user ... it seems a python script problem
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2057[14:45:24] <themill> sweb: have you done what your output suggests?
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2062[14:47:56] <sweb> jelly-home, themill: seems problem solved 0_o ... thank you ... what's the problem
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2064[14:49:49] <sweb> python dosnt work with root :D
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2068[14:50:42] <themill> python most certainly does.... that script might not
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2087[14:59:48] <onlyjoke_> anyone know how to install Gnome desktop? I am currently using KDE
2088[15:00:20] <Almtesh> onlyjoke_, you have the task-gnome-desktop package.
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2090[15:00:53] <KidA> apt-get install task-gnome-desktop
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2092[15:01:42] <KidA> or
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2094[15:02:15] <KidA> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome
2095[15:02:25] <themill> no
2096[15:02:32] <KidA> fist add and second install desktop
2097[15:02:36] <KidA> :(
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2100[15:02:58] <Almtesh> KidA, no!
2101[15:03:04] <jim> onlyjoke_, to install full gnome apt-get install gnome
2102[15:03:19] <KidA> :( ok no
2103[15:03:21] <KidA> ajajaaj
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2105[15:03:45] <onlyjoke_> hehe, okay guys im gonna try it
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2107[15:04:16] <onlyjoke_> thanks for your response
2108[15:04:32] <babilen> dpkg: install gnome
2109[15:04:33] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
2110[15:04:46] <jim> I thougnt it was called gnome-full, but it's just gnome (found out yesterday, you can try: apt-cache search gnome)
2111[15:05:16] <onlyjoke_> ive tried apt-get install gnome and its 1000MB ++
2112[15:05:23] <babilen> onlyjoke_: Not sure if all those packages are in stretch ^^, but I personally prefer to built up the setup from minimal metapackages/setups (e.g. 5. in that list)
2113[15:05:29] <jim> yep, pretty big
2114[15:05:31] <onlyjoke_> now downloading
2115[15:05:55] <babilen> onlyjoke_: Well, that's all of Gnome, if you don't want everything, start with something smaller (i.e. "gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome")
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2117[15:06:03] <babilen> With "gnome" you get everything and the kitchen sink
2118[15:06:22] <jim> I still have to fix my apt-cacher because it's choking on .yml.something files
2119[15:06:37] <onlyjoke_> damn, is it necessary to have full gnome? i mean i still dont know what to install and what not to
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2121[15:08:55] <jim> I don't think it is
2122[15:08:59] <n4dir> onlyjoke_: i think babilen gave you a hint in the parenthesis
2123[15:09:05] <jim> you can try gnome-core
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2126[15:10:10] <onlyjoke_> okay im gonna try it
2127[15:10:29] <onlyjoke_> gnome core about 500 MB
2128[15:11:04] <jim> onlyjoke_, btw, you can interrupt an apt-get safely if it is presently downloading packages... not safe if it's done with that and is now installing the package files
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2131[15:11:24] <n4dir> onlyjoke_: i found this in an old forum thread of myself, but it really is old: apt-get install gnome-shell gnome-session gnome-control-center nautilus
2132[15:11:29] <n4dir> sure worked back then though
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2134[15:12:15] <jim> onlyjoke_, if you put -d, it will -only- download the packages, and you can run it again without the -d when you have time to watch it install
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2140[15:14:14] <babilen> onlyjoke_: As I said .. if you want a minimal setup, start building it from "gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome"
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2142[15:14:36] <babilen> (with --no-install-recommends if you are so inclined)
2143[15:14:48] <onlyjoke_> n4dir: whats the different between gnome-core?
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2145[15:15:04] <babilen> Between gnome-core and what?
2146[15:15:05] <n4dir> onlyjoke_: sorry, no clue. As said i had to ask how to do it myself.
2147[15:15:10] <onlyjoke_> okay i got it jim
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2150[15:15:40] <n4dir> i would go with the advise of babilen, his info is for sure more up to date
2151[15:15:44] <onlyjoke_> babilen: whats the difference with gnome-core?
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2153[15:16:01] <babilen> onlyjoke_: The package selection that will be installed
2154[15:16:12] <onlyjoke_> babilen: with "gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome"
2155[15:16:43] <onlyjoke_> whats the recomended display manager? gdm3 or sddm?
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2161[15:17:23] <babilen> I thought I had just recommended gdm3 :)
2162[15:17:50] <n4dir> i would go for startx, but ...
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2164[15:18:08] <onlyjoke_> babilen: sorry i missed that XD
2165[15:18:13] <onlyjoke_> thanks babilen
2166[15:18:21] <petn-randall> I would go for a magnetic needle and a steady hand, but ...
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2168[15:19:27] <n4dir> Well: if one cares for as minimal as possible, then a display manager doesn't seem to make that much sense, petn-randall
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2171[15:20:30] <babilen> n4dir: No aim was stated .. If the goal is to have as minimal a system as possible, I wouldn't start with GNOME :)
2172[15:20:50] <babilen> Using gdm3 makes sense in the context of using GNOME
2173[15:21:06] <turbo128> i wouldn't start with gnome under any circumstances
2174[15:21:18] <onlyjoke_> turbo128: and why is that?
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2178[15:21:39] <n4dir> babilen: ok, i didn't know that. If you care: give me the info *why* gdm3 is needed to run gnome3
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2181[15:22:05] <n4dir> btw: hence i added the "but"
2182[15:22:11] <babilen> There is no reason, but it makes for a nice user experience
2183[15:22:24] <dgp> If you want a minimal system really a 9600 baud vt100 terminal is the only way to go
2184[15:23:00] <turbo128> onlyjoke_: i just hate what they've done with gnome
2185[15:23:08] <n4dir> babilen: ah. I can't see the enhancement in user experience, but ok
2186[15:23:14] <babilen> onlyjoke_: If you are after a minimal system you might want to look into window managers such as i3, awesome, xmonad, ...
2187[15:23:21] <turbo128> its bloated, it's ugly, i hate the metro-like ui and the lack of configurability
2188[15:23:39] <babilen> n4dir: Beautiful login experience and correct initialisation of logind et al
2189[15:24:00] <turbo128> id rather just use xfce or mate
2190[15:24:09] <babilen> All bloated
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2192[15:24:24] <dgp> babilen: I'm not sure why I need a beautiful "login experience" considering logging in lasts all of a few seconds
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2194[15:24:31] <onlyjoke_> babilen: i am just a noob in linux, so I think its better to use the one that looks like windows first
2195[15:24:34] <n4dir> i wouldn't consider xfce4 outstanding bloated, as long you don't install the metapackage
2196[15:24:37] <turbo128> onlyjoke_: then use xfce
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2198[15:24:42] <turbo128> or kde
2199[15:25:01] <onlyjoke_> i already have KDE
2200[15:25:04] <dgp> or try a few of them and see which you get on with?
2201[15:25:18] <turbo128> i would use kde but its been really buggy for me lately
2202[15:25:19] <onlyjoke_> thats what im doing right now dgp
2203[15:25:24] <turbo128> so im back to xfce now
2204[15:25:25] <babilen> onlyjoke_: We are essentially taking the piss. There is no problem with using GNOME, but there are as many different setups of Linux on this planet as there are people. The nice thing is that you can configure it in whatever way you want.
2205[15:25:27] <dgp> you can even install a few at a time. The time we live in
2206[15:25:33] <n4dir> onlyjoke_: you can install gnome and one or several window-managers and/or xfce or mate or such. Then look what you prefer.
2207[15:25:43] <turbo128> babilen: you can't configure gnome in whatever way you want
2208[15:25:46] <turbo128> you can barely configure it
2209[15:26:02] <dgp> turbo128: so don't use it
2210[15:26:05] <n4dir> i wouldn't mix kde with gnome though, because then there will be tons of apps, and the app-menu will be a bit of a mess. but that is me
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2212[15:26:13] <onlyjoke_> babilen: i think so, im still learning it ahaha
2213[15:26:16] <babilen> onlyjoke_: You will get many different opinions and people seem to feel very strongly about this. In the end you will have to figure it out for yourself and GNOME is as good a starting point as any other ..
2214[15:26:24] <n4dir> !best
2215[15:26:25] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
2216[15:26:34] <turbo128> if he wants a familiar windows like UI then gnome is a bad choice
2217[15:26:34] <babilen> turbo128: I am talking about Linux, not GNOME
2218[15:26:39] <turbo128> unless by windows like he means windows 8
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2220[15:27:10] <dgp> turbo128: if you're "switching to the linooks" why do you care about windows anymore?
2221[15:27:31] <dgp> turbo128: nothing is going to work the same either way so why bother trying make it look like windows
2222[15:27:32] <turbo128> some people like to stick with whats familiar
2223[15:27:37] <n4dir> "Gnome is as good a starting point as any other". That.
2224[15:28:27] <turbo128> personally i think windows 7 had the best ui experience so i prefer to use a DE that emulates that
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2226[15:28:28] <dgp> turbo128: they should probably stick to windows (if that's what is familar then) as literally nothing on linux or any unix like system works like windows
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2228[15:28:39] <babilen> onlyjoke_: If you like to explore more than one option, take a look at the websites of the following projects: GNOME, KDE, XFCE, i3, awesomewm, fluxbox, ...
2229[15:28:52] <turbo128> dgp: xfce and kde work like windows
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2231[15:29:29] <dgp> turbo128: in what way? you have icons, a bunch of application windows, and some desktop chrome like toolbars?
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2233[15:29:40] <onlyjoke_> babilen: got it
2234[15:29:40] <turbo128> and bash isn't that different from cmd
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2236[15:29:56] <turbo128> linux isnt that exotic
2237[15:29:56] <dgp> turbo128: that's basically every desktop since we've had enough ram not to have to run crap like window maker
2238[15:30:27] <turbo128> personally i dont see the point of tiling window managers
2239[15:30:51] <turbo128> i dont like having to memorize which applications are running on which workspace
2240[15:30:57] <dgp> exactly, 9600 baud vt100 is the only way to go
2241[15:31:09] <babilen> onlyjoke_: It also depends on what you want to do with your system and the kind of user you are. As you can clearly see: Asking for what's "best" yields a thousand answers that might or might not be applicable to you. I could personally never use a desktop environment such as GNOME (or KDE/XFCE/...) as I like to be able to have complete control with my keyboard (and hardly run other programs than Emacs, a
2242[15:31:15] <babilen> browser and terminals anyway)
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2244[15:31:29] <babilen> Doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with it
2245[15:31:44] <teclo-> 9600 bps
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2247[15:32:50] <onlyjoke_> babilen: yes, i see, everyone is debating now cause that question, XD
2248[15:32:51] <n4dir> On a last note quite a few users seem to like openbox as a window-manager.
2249[15:32:53] <tw> Getting far afield here...
2250[15:33:07] <onlyjoke_> babilen: so what you got on your PC?
2251[15:33:11] <d0uglas> Hey now fellas. I installed everything on an old hard drive, though now I've got an SSD. I want speed chiefly on web serving, so I moved my web root to the SSD and pointed NGINX/Varnish/ngx_pagespeed's cache at it. What about nginx/varnish though, once they start, do they run in entirely in memory (I have 32G), or would I benefit by moving them to the SSD?
2252[15:33:12] <turbo128> whats the command to show what xorg video driver is currently being used?
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2255[15:33:43] <n4dir> turbo128: i think "lspci -k" ?
2256[15:33:46] <turbo128> d0uglas: they run in memory
2257[15:33:47] <babilen> onlyjoke_: I have settled on i3wm for the time being
2258[15:33:54] <turbo128> there wont be any difference
2259[15:33:57] <d0uglas> phew, so I'll leave them alone. Thanks turbo
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2262[15:34:41] <tw> nginx uses disk caching if you configured it that way. If you've got the cache moved, it'll be fine.
2263[15:34:49] <onlyjoke_> thats cool babilen
2264[15:34:50] <turbo128> i used i3 for a while
2265[15:34:50] <turbo128> it was alright but i run a lot of full screen apps and that gets annoying after a while in a tiling wm
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2267[15:34:53] <babilen> onlyjoke_: But I use a bunch of programs from the GNOME world
2268[15:34:56] <tw> The actual binary itself and configuration is in ram.
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2271[15:35:17] <d0uglas> I was a wimp, decided to switch from windows to linux but just in case I wanted to leave the SSD with windows alone, wish I had manned up and used the ssd..
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2277[15:36:02] <turbo128> apt upgrade disconnected me
2278[15:36:16] <turbo128> anyway i dont know if this went through but, whats the command to show what video driver xorg is using?
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2280[15:36:51] <dgp> d0uglas: if you're worrying about the performance of something running on a desktop machine on your desk I don't think you need to worry too much to be honest
2281[15:37:30] <turbo128> gnome uses like a gig of ram
2282[15:37:39] <turbo128> i have 8 gigs but still that seems a little excessive for me
2283[15:37:49] <dgp> define "uses"
2284[15:38:14] <turbo128> occupies
2285[15:38:44] <turbo128> even kde doesnt use that much
2286[15:38:56] <dgp> how did you come to that figure?
2287[15:39:01] <turbo128> top
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2289[15:39:05] <onlyjoke_> turbo128: so what do you have on your linux?
2290[15:39:07] <d0uglas> well it's a fairly strong machine that I use as a dev server to see how fast I can make pages load with different things, learn ansible and so forth, and I also use it as a desktop. So I don't care about programs like google earth running on the ssd now instead of the hard drive, or caching to the ssd or whatever, it's plenty fast now the way it is for those purposes.
2291[15:39:12] <turbo128> onlyjoke_: xfce
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2293[15:40:52] <d0uglas> the ssd is ntfs, is that going to cost me anything speed-wise versus a common linux fs? ... mainly for reading, little writing
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2295[15:41:34] <dgp> if your setup is a single disk I don't think you need to be worrying about that
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2297[15:41:43] <d0uglas> it's four disks
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2299[15:42:27] <d0uglas> but okay i won't obsess over that
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2302[15:42:55] <d0uglas> well I'm out of questions, thanks gents for your help, I appreciate it. MAN it feel so good to be back home on Debian.
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2304[15:43:05] <turbo128> ntfs might get fragmentation on linux
2305[15:43:13] <turbo128> i dont know if ntfs-3g handles that or not
2306[15:43:24] <d0uglas> turbo128: noted, I'll eyeball that from time to time
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2308[15:43:58] <d0uglas> wow things have changed, this plasma thing, oo lah lah
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2311[15:44:30] <d0uglas> I even managed to get four screens lit up, back in the day that was not easy
2312[15:44:40] <towo^work> the speed of ntfs-3g is is subterraneanly bad
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2314[15:45:14] <d0uglas> towo^work: what would you say to reiserfs for serving sites with mostly tiny tiny files?
2315[15:45:16] <turbo128> if you're running linux i don't see any reason to not use its superior filesystems
2316[15:45:23] <dgp> d0uglas: multiple screens has worked decently for the last 8 years or so
2317[15:45:24] <turbo128> theres programs on windows to read linux filesystems
2318[15:45:42] <d0uglas> dpg: it's been more than 8 years since I ran it with screens not headless
2319[15:45:56] <towo^work> d0uglas, reiserfs is a dead horse
2320[15:46:12] <towo^work> what's the problem with active developed linux filesystems?
2321[15:46:12] <turbo128> just use ext4
2322[15:46:34] <turbo128> unless you want snapshots then use btrfs
2323[15:46:49] <d0uglas> not ext2, no advantage for small files over ext4?
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2325[15:47:15] <d0uglas> i'm talking kilobytes
2326[15:47:51] <d0uglas> I'll experiment
2327[15:47:53] <dgp> use ext4 unless you have reason to do otherwise
2328[15:47:58] <d0uglas> k
2329[15:48:23] <dgp> only use ext2 etc when you have some embedded system with a 15 year bootloader than can't read ext4
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2331[15:50:12] <tw> mkfs.ext4 -T option can be used to tune some parameters for small files.
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2333[15:51:57] <d0uglas> thanks again fellas, I'll format that ssd ext4 now..
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2339[15:53:53] <gunix> atom is not in debian repo?
2340[15:54:03] <jelly-home> which atom?
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2353[15:57:50] <tw> Can I kill an entire user session, but not all of that user's processes?
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2355[15:58:05] <tw> pkill -u will zap all of the user's procs.
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2396[16:17:34] <Tsutsukakushi> i think the markdown in debian is a bit broken
2397[16:17:43] <Tsutsukakushi> the manual says that -- ends switch parsing
2398[16:17:57] <Tsutsukakushi> but when you use it you get this:
2399[16:17:59] <Tsutsukakushi> Can't open --: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/markdown line 221.
2400[16:18:31] <jelly-home> Tsutsukakushi: what was the complete command line you used?
2401[16:18:45] <Tsutsukakushi> markdown --
2402[16:18:47] <Tsutsukakushi> tryit
2403[16:18:55] <Tsutsukakushi> any command with -- will fail
2404[16:18:58] <Tsutsukakushi> if there is no file --
2405[16:19:31] <jelly-home> ,file usr/bin/markdown
2406[16:19:35] <judd> Search for usr/bin/markdown in stretch/amd64: discount: usr/bin/markdown; libtext-markdown-perl: usr/bin/markdown; markdown: usr/bin/markdown
2407[16:19:47] <jelly-home> which one are you using of those
2408[16:19:57] <Tsutsukakushi> Use "--" to end switch parsing. For example, to open a file named "-z", use:
2409[16:19:59] <Tsutsukakushi> quote from themanual
2410[16:20:26] <Tsutsukakushi> i think the one from the package markdown
2411[16:20:38] <Tsutsukakushi> but it could be that i have two installed and the manual is from one and the binary is from another
2412[16:20:45] <jelly-home> Tsutsukakushi: dpkg -S /usr/bin/markdown will tell you
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2414[16:21:13] <Tsutsukakushi> yeah, from markdown
2415[16:21:20] <Tsutsukakushi> markdown: /usr/bin/markdown
2416[16:22:42] * jelly-home copies a .mdwn file to ./-z
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2420[16:23:04] <Tsutsukakushi> markdown: /usr/share/man/man1/markdown.1.gz
2421[16:23:11] <Tsutsukakushi> no, the manual is from the same package
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2423[16:23:30] <jelly-home> - markdown - replaced-url
2424[16:23:31] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2426[16:23:53] <jelly-home> so the maintainer has been looking for help since 2008
2427[16:24:18] <Tsutsukakushi> who was the maintainer
2428[16:24:22] <jelly-home> maybe try one of the alternative implementations
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2430[16:24:32] <jelly-home> no idea, look at the bug?
2431[16:24:50] <tw> fwiw, the -- option does work.
2432[16:25:00] <tw> it just generates the error message.
2433[16:25:08] <jelly-home> but how-can-i-help complained right away
2434[16:25:14] <Tsutsukakushi> it would be simple fix to just remove that from the documentation
2435[16:25:21] <jelly-home> as I installed it
2436[16:25:34] <tw> eg, markdown -- -v with a file named '-v' will parse correctly.
2437[16:25:48] <tw> as opposed to markdown -v which prints the version
2438[16:25:55] <Tsutsukakushi> that is... silly
2439[16:26:03] <tw> No, that's the point of --
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2441[16:26:08] <tw> try it with mv sometime.
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2443[16:26:12] <Tsutsukakushi> wat
2444[16:26:22] <Tsutsukakushi> the point of -- is not to give a file not found error message
2445[16:26:33] <tw> Oh, the error message is a bug.
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2448[16:26:53] <tw> It's not eating the -- option correctly. But the manpage is correct and the option works.
2449[16:26:54] <Tsutsukakushi> so it just lacks a shift somewhere
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2454[16:28:04] <jelly-home> and worse,
2455[16:28:22] <jelly-home> "markdown -z" works as well when the file -z exists in cwd
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2457[16:28:32] <jelly-home> so the example is completely bogus
2458[16:28:49] <jelly-home> but again, essentially unmaintained since 2008?
2459[16:28:53] <tw> Yes, -z isn't an option =p
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2461[16:29:29] <Tsutsukakushi> more like unmaintained since 2004...
2462[16:29:40] <Tsutsukakushi> at least if the script itself is anything to go by
2463[16:29:51] <jelly-home> pick an alternative that looks better
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2465[16:30:19] <tw> I recommend something that does GFM.
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2468[16:30:24] <tw> (markdown flavor)
2469[16:30:33] <tw> It's the most common one I've seen by far.
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2471[16:30:36] <Tsutsukakushi> also what the manual says about the html tags is also bs
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2475[16:31:20] <Tsutsukakushi> all markdown flavors other than the original are shit
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2477[16:31:35] <Tsutsukakushi> it's the only one that works everywhere :p
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2479[16:31:54] <tw> Original markdown doesn't work everywhere. You apparently have never used software by Atlassian.
2480[16:32:32] <Tsutsukakushi> oh, only very little
2481[16:32:44] <Tsutsukakushi> and never more than i've had to
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2484[16:33:34] <Tsutsukakushi> mostly jira
2485[16:33:38] <Tsutsukakushi> and i hate it with passion
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2487[16:33:51] <tw> It's useful for what they are. Anyway, GFM does some nice things like NL is actually a NL instead of needing extra whitespace.
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2490[16:34:05] <Tsutsukakushi> what is nl
2491[16:34:07] <tw> \n
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2493[16:34:32] <Tsutsukakushi> the whole point is that they are paragraphs
2494[16:34:40] <Tsutsukakushi> and " " and the end is a <br>
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2499[16:35:09] <tw> It's not visually obvious in most editors.
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2501[16:35:15] <Tsutsukakushi> just a newline should never break the paragraph in markdown
2502[16:35:29] <tw> Anyway, going off topic, we disagree.
2503[16:35:44] <Tsutsukakushi> that can't be even called markdown at that point
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2507[16:35:57] <han-solo> my touchpad not working(asus) jessie
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2515[16:39:54] <ZSky> grep -E -o '?hello=(.*)&' test
2516[16:40:17] <ZSky> sorry:
2517[16:40:17] <ZSky> grep -E -o 'hello=(.*)&' test
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2519[16:40:32] <ZSky> I was expecting that it would output only the group, i.e. 1234 if test is:
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2521[16:40:39] <ZSky> hello=1234&
2522[16:40:48] <ZSky> but it doesn't work
2523[16:40:52] <ZSky> how to do this?
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2528[16:41:42] <han-solo> could be a driver issue?
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2530[16:42:01] <ZSky> no
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2534[16:44:28] <han-solo> echo "hello=1234" sed -n 's/hello$.[^ ]*$/\1/p' ?
2535[16:44:34] <tw> ZSky: grep is not going to give you capture groups.
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2537[16:44:55] <tw> use mr solo's solution, except with a | between echo and sed.
2538[16:45:10] <ZSky> oh grep cannot capture groups?
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2541[16:45:55] <tw> Does not, no. -o gives you the matching part, but it's always the full match (equiv of group 0 in most implementations)
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2545[16:47:47] <ZSky> tw: replaced-url
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2547[16:47:55] <ZSky> i thought this showed that it can capture groups
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2549[16:48:37] <tw> where?
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2551[16:49:07] <tw> the linked answer is splitting on : with cut after match.
2552[16:49:13] <ZSky> oh right
2553[16:49:28] <tw> The answer after that suggests using a lookbehind assertion to make sure the extra text isn't included in the match.
2554[16:49:38] <ZSky> can awk do this simply?
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2556[16:49:51] <tw> sed is easiest.
2557[16:50:05] <ZSky> i learnt grep and a bit of awk
2558[16:50:16] <ZSky> i would like to stick to these 2 instead of learning a 3rd one
2559[16:50:37] <ZSky> (with a 3rd one, I'll probably mix them and not remember ;) )
2560[16:50:42] <ZSky> do you think possible with awk?
2561[16:50:48] <tw> it's more complex.
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2564[16:51:46] <ZSky> Can I do something like:
2565[16:51:54] <tw> I'd do it with sub() in awk, which is pretty much the same as han-solo's solution.
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2572[16:55:54] <Debtest35> Hello, I'm checking some options inside vsftpd. It seems that the list of the users enabled is linked to the ones of the os itself. But can't I just not relate the users of the os and the one of the ftp ? Would be nice create different credentials for that.
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2576[16:57:04] <tw> you're looking for "virtual users"
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2578[16:57:17] <Debtest35> tw: I see
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2580[16:57:43] <tw> first result for vsftpd virtual users will get you about where you want tog o.
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2582[16:58:02] <tw> there's an article on help.ubuntu.com for config.
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2584[16:58:08] <Debtest35> tw: thanks.. so in this way I can completely disable the local users right ?
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2587[16:58:13] <ChrisH> regarding my cups question from a while ago. recreating the printer queue on the server seems to fix the issue.
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2589[16:58:30] <lotherk> Debtest35: yes, you can.
2590[16:58:38] <tw> Debtest35: it uses pam, if you are using the virtual users table, it will never go to check passwd/shadow, so in that way, yes.
2591[16:58:46] <Debtest35> lotherk: tw: thanks to both
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2594[16:59:16] <Debtest35> lotherk: tw: and for a matter of security in your opinion what is the best? rely on pam or on the system passwords ?
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2596[16:59:23] <tw> Debtest35: It might be easier to configure in proftpd if you're not tied to vsftpd.
2597[17:00:00] <Debtest35> tw: Well i'm used to configs, i just have to read a bit of manual and understand what the options does.. for me is the same
2598[17:02:02] <tw> Debtest35: When I've done it in the past, before I switched to sftp/scp only, I would use a special required group to control access to vsftpd and set all of the ftp users' shells to /sbin/nologin with check_shell=NO in the vsftpd conf.
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2603[17:02:59] <Debtest35> tw: thanks i will check that.. about sftp is what i would like to use me too but.. well customer wants plain ftp meh..
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2606[17:03:05] <tw> w/ proftpd I was doing either mysql v.user lookup, or openldap bind (this was like a decade ago, so I'm fuzzy on details).
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2616[17:07:40] <Acidburn73> Has anyone encountered a problem with the edimax wifi adapter no longer working on kernal 4.10 and 4.11? I am running kernel 4.9 with the wifi adapter working perfectly, but when I go to the newer kernels, the wifi no longer shows up and I know I need to get on the newer kernels.
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2619[17:09:08] <towo`> Acidburn73, after booting a newer kernel, do dmesg | grep -i firmw
2620[17:09:15] <dgp> Acidburn73: use dmesg to see if the kernel is seeing it
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2625[17:10:38] <Acidburn73> Ok, I will give that a try...will be back shortly (on my Debian work station atm, so will have to reboot to the newer kernel)
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2637[17:18:51] <thms_> My apt/preferences has 150 priority for wheez and 900 for squeeze... how do I tell which packages are from squeeze and which from wheezy ?y
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2641[17:20:34] <Acidburn73> Ok, I ran dmesg | grep -i firmw and got this result:
2642[17:20:41] <Acidburn73> [ 0.634384] ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
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2648[17:21:51] <jelly-home> thms_: you can't tell, but can infer from package versions of each installed package, eg: apt-cache policy libc6
2649[17:22:23] <thms_> jelly-home, ho lordy :( Done something like dpkg -l | grep deb7 and this. thanks :)
2650[17:22:46] <han-solo> jelly-home: my touchpad doesn't seem to be working (asus) jessie
2651[17:23:00] <han-solo> any ideas?
2652[17:23:01] <jelly-home> han-solo: I'm sorry about that.
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2658[17:23:43] <han-solo> i installed the synaptics
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2660[17:24:16] <jelly-home> thms_: you might also temporarily remove wheezy repos, and look at
2661[17:24:19] <jelly-home> !not available
2662[17:24:19] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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2666[17:25:14] <thms_> jelly-home, noted. Thanks :).
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2669[17:26:29] <han-solo> i'm using kde btw
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2671[17:27:32] <gunix> did you ever had problems when creating muuultiple VMs with virt-manager other qemu tools? like always add static IP and always add hostname? I made this script to solve this: replaced-url
2672[17:27:41] <gunix> if you guys have any ideea on this topic, please tell me
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2676[17:28:44] <saml_> how do I start creating debian packages?
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2680[17:30:43] <jelly-home> dpkg, tell saml_ about nmg
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2682[17:31:26] * petn-randall wonders after how many years the new maintainer's guide is not considered new anymore. :)
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2684[17:31:34] <jelly-home> saml_: you can ask the bot about that other stuff in private, /msg dpkg policy
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2690[17:34:11] <petn-randall> I think I'd call it nmg-ng.
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2713[17:44:24] <saml_> dpkg, thanks
2714[17:44:25] <dpkg> de nada, saml_
2715[17:44:41] <saml_> i mean jelly-home
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2723[17:50:04] <scorpex> greetings all, trying to work out a weird issue with chromium on debian, using xfce. Sometimes when I press CTRL+C or right-click > Copy ...to copy text, the entire tab will freeze and I have to close it. All other tabs are fine unless I try to copy, and then the same issue. any ideas or anyone experienced this? Thanks.
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2741[17:54:37] <qxyz> what would be the best way to manually replicate a gpt on squeeze?
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2750[17:58:12] <petn-randall> qxyz: sgdisk has an -R option, that may also be in squeeze.
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2787[18:12:58] <AlexPortable> is it possible to disallow an user to login via su - username ? and only allow him to login via ssh?
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2789[18:14:04] <JustASlacker> nah
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2792[18:14:33] <Bierdieb> is there any chance to make this driver run on actual debian stretch?
2793[18:14:36] <Bierdieb> radeon-crimson-15.12-15.302-151217a-297685e
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2795[18:15:38] <Bierdieb> replaced-url
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2798[18:16:22] <Bierdieb> one told me fglrx is dead ....
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2802[18:17:10] <eterno> True
2803[18:17:27] <Bierdieb> is there any chance to make that run as i dont care about any displayserver/manager whatever?
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2805[18:17:42] <eterno> Vesa
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2807[18:18:04] <Bierdieb> i want to make the hardware run, this driver is recommended... so
2808[18:18:32] <towo`> Bierdieb, what makes you think, you need that dead piese of software?
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2810[18:19:06] <towo`> Bierdieb, if you have a card, which is supported by this dribver, the free radeon is working fine
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2812[18:20:09] <Bierdieb> well, ive got two gfx devices installed. A radeon rx580 which works with the amd-gpu-pro drivers. but my older one isnt even recognized its a HD5850.
2813[18:20:47] <towo`> it would even not work, if you install fglrx
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2815[18:21:15] <Bierdieb> the cards are to be used on opencl which isnt supported by the free driver
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2817[18:21:29] <towo`> it it doen't make any sense, using those two differnet cards
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2819[18:22:58] <Bierdieb> belongs to what theyre used for. its not just making fps playing around with 3d graphics
2820[18:23:35] <Bierdieb> ocl hashcat for example
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2827[18:26:00] <towo`> Bierdieb, answer with no support by debian: remove the hd-card, install amdgpu-pro from steamos, be happy with opencl and your rx580
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2833[18:27:44] <eterno> Whois overclock
2834[18:27:57] <jelly-home> AlexPortable: the general idea would be using custom pam configuration for su
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2839[18:28:51] <han-solo> still cannot figure out why touchpad is not showing up in xinput :/
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2851[18:33:50] <Bierdieb> towo`, from the gamereseller steamos? do you have a short howto for me or a propriate link?
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2854[18:35:00] <towo`> no, i havent, but since steamos is based on debian, has easy to find the repo-urls, you should be able to do that yourself
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2856[18:35:14] <qxyz> petn-randall: do you know why mdadm would complain that my partition is not large enough to join the array if sgdisk -p lists identical tables for both disks?
2857[18:35:26] <towo`> and as i have sayed, it's not supported at all by any debian support channel, so you on your own
2858[18:35:29] <Bierdieb> thx a lot towo`
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2860[18:36:09] <petn-randall> qxyz: No idea, but showing actual output would help us debug it. → replaced-url
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2874[18:39:36] <qxyz> petn-randall: ah nvm I'm dumb, I managed to not make the partitions the same size and then didn't compare them properly >_<
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2884[18:42:50] <petn-randall> qxyz: Glad we could help :)
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2899[18:51:32] <qxyz> petn-randall: oddly enough, it still comes up with the same error, do I need to refresh something? replaced-url
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2910[18:54:02] <Lazuruz> Have Debian 8 Jessie it hangs on boot whenever I plug in a RX 580. I do have 2 CPU's, wondering if its CPU specific. I have googled the crap out of this and havent found anything besides unrelated stuff. Hardware: ASUS d9pe-16 2/l, 2 X Xeon E5-2667 V2. Thanks in advance
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2912[18:54:27] <petn-randall> qxyz: Can you show us the output of 'cat /proc/mdstat' and 'mdadm --detail /dev/md3'?
2913[18:54:52] <Acidburn73> So I think my wifi driver problem has something to do with the rtl8192cu-fixes driver I installed. On the repackaged driver's github, it shows a fix build with kernel 4.11, but I am not sure how to get it installed since the previous build without the kernel 4.11 fix is installed.
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2921[18:57:30] <qxyz> petn-randall: replaced-url
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2928[18:59:11] <Brigo> Lazuruz, RX 580?
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2930[18:59:24] <Lazuruz> Brigo: yes
2931[18:59:39] <Brigo> Lazuruz, what's that?
2932[18:59:54] <Lazuruz> O sorry GPU
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2934[19:00:00] <Lazuruz> replaced-url
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2940[19:00:24] <saml_> pbulider-dist isn't debian
2941[19:00:49] <Brigo> Lazuruz, it just not boot at all?
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2944[19:01:09] <Brigo> Acidburn73, i can't see the question.
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2952[19:02:36] <jelly-home> Lazuruz: where does it hang? When in grub menu, press e to edit, find linux kernel command line, remove the word "quiet" and let it boot
2953[19:02:59] <Lazuruz> Brigo: correct. System boots fine without. As soon as plugged in the system hangs. I checked the Mobo and there is no boot error codes. so I thinks its during OS stawrt
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2956[19:03:25] <Acidburn73> Brigo: I posted it earlier today. I have an Edimax USB WiFi dongle that I use on my debian workstation to connection to the internet. It works perfectly in kernel 4.9 (using the rtl8192cu-fixes driver manually installed), but when I go to kernel 4.10 or 4.11, it no longer sees the WiFi adapter at all.
2957[19:03:33] <Lazuruz> jelly-home: Not sure where exactly it hangs as display only registers sometimes. I believe before Grub
2958[19:03:56] <jelly-home> that's going to be hard to diagnose
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2961[19:04:13] <jelly-home> do you have a second gpu at hand?
2962[19:04:18] <Brigo> Lazuruz, if it doesn't boot at all, it would think is the bios or the hardware. The Os is in the disk and the system don't get there.
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2964[19:04:43] <Lazuruz> I do have a second GPU, but not of the same architecture
2965[19:05:08] <Lazuruz> Brigo: not bios - my mobo shows no error codes
2966[19:05:31] <jelly-home> Lazuruz: as long as it comes up and you can see the boot process, it's fine
2967[19:05:33] <Lazuruz> the mobo actually visually posts codes as boots and it shows up fine
2968[19:05:37] <jelly-home> so put both in
2969[19:06:12] <Lazuruz> jelly-home: Ill give that a shot
2970[19:06:13] <Brigo> Acidburn73, it looks like some kernel bug, i think i can't help you with that.
2971[19:06:31] <Acidburn73> No problems
2972[19:06:34] <jelly-home> Lazuruz: also try a newer liveusb/livecd, debian 8 is abit outdated by now
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2974[19:06:36] <Lazuruz> I think it has to do with either 1.) plugged into a PCIE channel that goes to CPU 2 ... not sure if Debian cares about that
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2976[19:07:05] <Acidburn73> I am going to keep working it. Like I said, it works on kernel 4.9, so I can load that kernel version and get work done until I figure it out
2977[19:07:14] <Lazuruz> or 2.) does debian care about integrated graphics and GPU graphics enabled at same time?
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2979[19:07:30] <jelly-home> Lazuruz: do those xeons have integrated graphics at all?
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2981[19:07:37] <Lazuruz> jelly-home: yes they do
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2983[19:08:09] <Lazuruz> jelly-home: Yeah I realize Jessie is dated... hmmm
2984[19:08:09] <jelly-home> Lazuruz: so you can connect a monitor to that, configure bios to use integrated gpu for boot, and look at what happens
2985[19:08:24] <jelly-home> no need for second gpu, that _is_ a different gpu
2986[19:08:26] <Lazuruz> jelly-home: ok, will try.
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2989[19:10:04] <password2> please tell me someone knos a quick hack to combine 50 pdfs into one?
2990[19:11:02] <Brigo> password2, pdftk
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2997[19:12:05] <password2> iks it in the repos?
2998[19:12:09] <password2> *is
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3001[19:12:43] <jelly-home> you can answer that question on your own, password2: apt-cache search pdftk
3002[19:12:47] <Brigo> password2, of course, install in and check the manpage for examples
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3004[19:13:10] <password2> jelly-home, given enough time i can answer all questions of the universe
3005[19:13:32] <n4dir> for that one only 3 seconds would have been needed though
3006[19:13:49] <password2> takes a second to type yes
3007[19:13:55] <jelly-home> I prefer teaching someone to fish.
3008[19:14:13] <password2> well you tought me nothing
3009[19:14:13] <n4dir> fish the shell ? muah-ha-ha
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3018[19:17:12] <password2> is htere a cmd for collate , or do i just specify input files and an output file?
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3023[19:19:23] <petemc> password2: define collate
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3026[19:20:02] <password2> Ive got 50pdfs of 1 page that i want to make into 1 pdf of 50 pages
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3030[19:20:46] <password2> i figured it out
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3033[19:21:28] <tw> what's the answer? pdftk *.pdf cat output /tmp/new.pdf
3034[19:21:31] <tw> ?
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3037[19:22:55] <petemc> pdftk *.pdf cat output out.pdf
3038[19:23:02] <petemc> yeah
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3049[19:26:17] <password2> yeah
3050[19:26:30] <password2> sorry , I as typing up the 50pdfs
3051[19:26:35] <qxyz> petn-randall: do you think running partprobe could solve the issue? I'm always a little hesitant to reboot the system with stuff like this
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3053[19:27:22] <password2> and my odf is complete
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3060[19:30:18] <password2> sometimes smart companies make such bad decisions in marketing terms
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3067[19:31:37] <password2> case and point replaced-url
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3077[19:34:54] <Toffe> Anyone have a good script for creating vhost? I host multiple domains for friends. Are there a script to automatically create everything? Setting up a new debian stretch server so thought about doing: /home/USER/public_html/SUBDOMAIN so replaced-url
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3182[20:12:13] <jack_st> hey guys how can i to distribute 1 file with 20.000 lines in many files with 2.000 lines with name calc.txt calc2.txt calc3.txt etc etc
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3190[20:15:12] <GNU\colossus> jack_st, `man split`
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3207[20:23:48] <AlexPortable> GNU\colossus: how do you write that block of text
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3211[20:24:55] <jtojnar> how can I display patches for a package? clicking patch tracker in the right panel leads to 404 replaced-url
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3213[20:26:09] <relaxed> jtojnar: are you sure there are patches for this package?
3214[20:26:36] <jtojnar> I would guess dfsg-3 means there are three patches
3215[20:26:54] <GNU\colossus> AlexPortable, what "block of text" are you referring to?
3216[20:27:00] <AlexPortable> man split
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3218[20:27:07] <AlexPortable> it has a circle around it
3219[20:27:14] <GNU\colossus> maybe your irc client decides to format what I wrote in a particular manner that I do not control
3220[20:27:29] <jtojnar> relaxed the patch is mentioned here replaced-url
3221[20:27:30] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3222[20:27:33] <GNU\colossus> I used backticks (``) to do that
3223[20:27:33] <AlexPortable> you just wrote plaintext man split?
3224[20:27:38] <AlexPortable> `man split`
3225[20:27:39] <AlexPortable> thanks
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3230[20:28:19] <relaxed> jtojnar: apt-get the source and it should be there
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3232[20:29:05] <jtojnar> relaxed: can I get it on the web? I am not actually running Debian
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3235[20:29:42] <jtojnar> I am packaging it on NixOS and re-using the patch would be nice
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3238[20:30:33] <jtojnar> never mind, found it upstream replaced-url
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3240[20:31:02] <GNU\colossus> jtojnar, at replaced-url
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3294[20:51:03] <impossibru> Hi, how bad is it if there is a checksum error in the 'SMART Extended Self-test Log Structure'? replaced-url
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3303[20:53:23] <jelly-home> impossibru: run another extended test and see if it happens again?
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3311[20:55:23] <jelly-home> impossibru: or ask a different SMART tool for a second opinion, replaced-url
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3331[21:01:06] <init1__3> hello
3332[21:01:09] <init1__3> hola
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3339[21:04:02] <han-solo> hola, como estas?
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3341[21:04:51] <WhereIsTwinkey> han-solo: did you shoot first ?
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3344[21:05:15] <han-solo> no
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3405[21:25:59] <nullbyte_> how can i resize my home/ dir to / with 20000gb i want to shrink / from /home, now /home is 30GB / is 10GB i want 20GB for / and /home 10GB ?
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3408[21:27:51] <towo`> there's 10 GB missing in your whishes
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3410[21:28:20] <towo`> but as long no one knows your actual partition table, no one can help
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3491[22:06:01] <mrkotfw> Is this the place to ask for dhcpd help?
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3493[22:06:38] <tw> If you're using it on debian, someone might know. You'll have to be more specific about which dhcpd package you installed.
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3495[22:06:46] <mrkotfw> Got it
3496[22:07:02] <tw> (there are at least 3 in apt)
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3498[22:07:29] <mrkotfw> I'm using the isc-dhcp-server and I'm trying to use classes/subclasses to split a range of IP addresses
3499[22:08:06] <mrkotfw> class "test" { match hardware; } subclass "match" 1:AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF; and in subnet ... { pool { allow members of "test"; } }
3500[22:08:09] <P4> Hello. On debian 9.1 stretch i need to install libmagickwand-6.q16-2 but only version libmagickwand-6.q16-3 is available in official repos thus openproject fails on dependencies. my question is how to install old package on debian stable in this case. the pkg_name=version style won't work in this case I believe. or maybe it's wiser to do all the job in a schroot environment? any suggestions/pointers are
3501[22:08:11] <P4> welcome very much, please. :-)
3502[22:08:11] <mrkotfw> But it doesn't seem to work
3503[22:08:39] <mrkotfw> I don't have a way to debug other than the normal level of logging in dhcpd.conf
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3505[22:10:32] <tw> mrkotfw: doesn't subclass need to be "test"?
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3508[22:12:57] <somiaj> P4: usually when a package changes from a -2 to a -3 there is an ABI change. The proper way is to get openproject to use the depends in stretch.
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3510[22:14:16] <somiaj> P4: if this third party software's depends in stretch there is not much of a supported method. You could build your own package from the previous version (but this could conflict with other debian packages), but this is not supported. My suggestion if you are using stretch is to build the software to use stretch libaries
3511[22:14:57] <mrkotfw> tw: Oh, yes. I wrote my example wrong. subclass "test" { match hardware; }
3512[22:15:02] <mrkotfw> tw: Thanks for catching that
3513[22:15:32] <mrkotfw> Oh, here I go making another mistake... subclass "test" 1:AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF;
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3516[22:16:23] <tw> mrkotfw: No, I think that's right. The class should have the match statement, the subclass should have the parameter number followed by the parameter value.
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3519[22:17:10] <mrkotfw> The parameter value being the type, no? 1 being ethernet?
3520[22:17:23] <tw> Mmm, not sure, I always use 1 XD
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3522[22:17:50] <mrkotfw> I have two classes (not in the example), class "public" { match hardware; } class "private" { match hardware; }
3523[22:17:53] <mrkotfw> Maybe this is the problem?
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3525[22:18:17] <mrkotfw> I made sure the MAC addr. is corrent...
3526[22:18:20] <mrkotfw> correct*
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3532[22:22:45] <tw> Have you tried running it in the foreground?
3533[22:23:14] <P4> thanks somiaj for your answer. i will probably just deploy another VM to avoid issues.
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3535[22:23:17] <tw> mrkotfw: like /usr/sbin/dhcpd -d ifname
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3548[22:29:02] <mrkotfw> tw: Looks like... it works... I needed to clear out the leases file :/
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3555[22:30:25] <mrkotfw> tw: Thanks for the help
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3557[22:30:48] <tw> yw.
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