Realtime Nick Name Ticker of #debian at freenode (ICQ IRC service)

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4[00:03:13] <__0> anyone know how to reach replaced-url
5[00:03:34] <__0> *him*
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7[00:04:26] <__0> copyright 2000 year, too old
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14[00:06:59] <bmomjian> IPMI card removed, as suggested
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28[00:16:20] <__0> i do not want to call him because my english spelling sucks he would not understand me simply(
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32[00:17:35] <__0> and it is very expensive for me:(
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34[00:17:40] <Juzzy> __0: email or call him
35[00:17:50] <missmbob> !ot
36[00:17:51] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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40[00:18:41] <seanrdev> So I have huge amounts of files in a folder... everytime I execute rm x* to delete all files in folder that start with an x I get the error "argument list to long" is there a way around that?
41[00:19:19] <missmbob> quote it
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45[00:19:31] <seanrdev> As in rm 'x*'
46[00:19:36] <Juzzy> that wont work either
47[00:19:47] <Juzzy> that will be file not found
48[00:19:50] <missmbob> you can escape * so it's x\*
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50[00:20:03] <Juzzy> find -name 'x*' -delete
51[00:21:15] <Juzzy> seanrdev ---^ that will work for you.
52[00:21:47] <seanrdev> Juzzy: Thanks I believe that worked.. So rm has to parse a list of files and if the list is larger that some buffer somewhere it spits out the error?
53[00:22:09] <Juzzy> bash is actually concatting rm x* into 1 single command line
54[00:22:17] <Juzzy> and it exceeds the command line buffer length
55[00:22:29] <Juzzy> errr it's expanding it out
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57[00:23:10] <seanrdev> Ahh I see. So it's like doing for example rm xaaaaaab && rm xaaaaaac etc etc..
58[00:23:25] <teraflops> well, be careful using -delete with find
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60[00:23:53] <__0> missmbob, where can i find channel for people search and connecting on freenode irc server?
61[00:24:18] <missmbob> __0: great question for #debian-offtopic
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65[00:26:21] <Juzzy> one alternative if you are scared you first run it with -print and view the list
66[00:26:34] <Juzzy> or you can use -exec rm -v {} \; instead
67[00:26:47] <Juzzy> or whatever the rm flag is to ask to delete
68[00:26:48] <bmomjian> Is there any way to see the motherboard temperatures and fan values without an ipmi card installed, e.g. directly from the motherboard? I know ipmitool works if I have an ipmi card installed.
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98[00:38:32] <sziken> hello, can some one remind me how to leave a channel in irssi ?
99[00:38:57] <zykotick9> sziken: i use /wc
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103[00:39:14] <zykotick9> bmomjian: "sensors" maybe?
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105[00:39:55] <sziken> zykotick9: thanks, works just same, as a matter of fact, /leave works as well :)
106[00:39:57] <sziken> cheers
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113[00:41:21] <bmomjian> 'sensors' is nice, thanks
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131[00:49:38] <unborn> ,v shc
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133[00:49:57] <unborn> heh is bot dead?
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136[00:50:43] <bazhang> ,v vrms
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153[01:00:07] <judd> It's OK! Stop panicking! I'm back!
154[01:00:37] <bazhang> ,v vrms
155[01:00:38] <judd> Package: vrms on amd64 -- stretch: 1.16; wheezy: 1.16; sid: 1.16; jessie: 1.16
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157[01:00:42] <zykotick9> :)
158[01:00:59] <themill> vrms should just go away as a package
159[01:01:07] <zykotick9> themill: +1
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181[01:09:37] <Lewoco> I've mounted an old debian root filesystem. How can I see all the debian packages that were installed on it?
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186[01:11:28] <bmomjian> you want all packages or all packaged manually installed?
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230[01:40:09] <zuiss1> hi. anyone know why my list of wireless networks might be empty after install the kernel from backports
231[01:40:16] <zuiss1> but reverting to 3.16 works fine
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258[01:56:07] <donofrio> anyone here use fitbit bluetooth paird to notebook?
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260[01:56:52] <technohehl> nope, just with my mobile...
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282[02:11:02] <mophed> would anyone be able to tell me why i cannot connect to my virtual machine through SSH. ive changed the default port, and verified with netcat that it is open but i still get a connection refused
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284[02:12:23] <maddawg2> mophed well there are lots of reasons
285[02:12:30] <maddawg2> but tell us more about this virtual machine
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287[02:12:39] <maddawg2> is it NAT?
288[02:12:42] <maddawg2> is it bridged
289[02:12:44] <maddawg2> etc
290[02:12:50] <maddawg2> the network card that is
291[02:12:50] <mophed> its bridged
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293[02:13:01] <maddawg2> so it should be getting an IP from your router
294[02:13:12] <technohehl> can u ping it?
295[02:13:18] <maddawg2> so it should be in the same ip range and subnet as the machine you're sshing from
296[02:13:29] <maddawg2> yea can you ping it?
297[02:13:33] <mophed> i can
298[02:13:42] <maddawg2> ok that's good
299[02:13:50] <technohehl> try an nmap scan...
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598[02:14:05] <mophed> nc -v -z 192.168.1.227 13
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603[02:14:06] <mophed> says its open
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747[02:14:34] <mophed> yeah i made it 13
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772[02:14:43] <maddawg2> AHHHHH
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825[02:15:39] <maddawg2> mophed... i've never tried this before but maybe it'll work... have you tried sshing into localhost on that port
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879[02:17:33] <mophed> still refused
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888[02:17:49] <mophed> nmap shows 13/tcp open as well
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918[02:18:37] <technohehl> Is the SSH working on port 22?
919[02:18:52] <mophed> no i changed it to 13
920[02:18:57] <mophed> but i can go back to 22 if i need to
921[02:19:01] <technohehl> try it...
922[02:19:22] <maddawg2> mophed you could also type: "lsof -Pnl +M -i4"
923[02:19:29] <maddawg2> this should show you what is listening on what ports
924[02:19:44] <maddawg2> maybe pipe that through grep and search for ssh or openssh
925[02:19:46] <maddawg2> not sure what it'd be called
926[02:19:55] <mophed> sshd 2972 0 3u IPv4 65601 0t0 TCP *:13 (LISTEN)
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928[02:20:20] <maddawg2> hm
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930[02:20:30] <maddawg2> i assume you've rebooted?
931[02:20:33] <maddawg2> right
932[02:20:38] <maddawg2> just in case
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934[02:20:55] <mophed> ive restarted ssh but not my system
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938[02:21:05] <maddawg2> i mean it should be working
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940[02:21:16] <maddawg2> i assume there's nothing else listeing on 13
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942[02:21:28] <maddawg2> perrhaps run the command again but grep for *:13
943[02:21:38] <maddawg2> maybe there are two things listening on it or something
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1077[06:31:07] <levifig> is there any way to stop `apt` from clearing my buffer after completion? :(
1078[06:31:24] <levifig> tty buffer that is… it's like it's running `clear` after completion
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1081[06:57:55] <peterrooney> levifig: experiment with your TERM variable
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1083[06:59:24] <peterrooney> levifig: I have had good results with TERM=vt100 but YMMV
1084[06:59:41] <levifig> yea, using xterm-256color myself…
1085[07:00:08] <peterrooney> levifig: alternately, TERM=linux
1086[07:01:40] <levifig> this is for a remote host… isn't that configured on the tty?
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1088[07:05:05] <levifig> I think I solved it by switching ttys :X
1089[07:05:17] <levifig> thanks for pointing out that it was TERM-related, peterrooney <3
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1127[08:35:03] <gitgud> dope
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1130[08:35:27] <buu> I just want you to know I already solved my problem. Without you.
1131[08:35:37] <jscoder> kudos to self help
1132[08:35:41] <buu> lol
1133[08:35:54] <buu> systemd's error messages could use some help
1134[08:35:56] <jscoder> carlin said if you could do it yourself you didn't need help
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1139[08:39:51] <elky> and it set it back to under the current population again
1140[08:40:46] <jscoder> seems debhelper is high on the job
1141[08:41:38] <jscoder> this is what happens when you don't drug test your bots
1142[08:42:39] <buu> launch it into the fire
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1144[08:43:25] <buu> ok team
1145[08:43:32] <buu> Why the fuck is systemd failing to mount my sata disk?
1146[08:43:38] <jscoder> if I'm not mistaken debhelper is also hosted by dondelelcaro at uc berkeley so short of kicking the bot, we'd have to wait for him to fix it
1147[08:43:50] <buu> kicking it seems simple
1148[08:44:12] <jscoder> yeah then we lose automatic flood protection
1149[08:44:14] <buu> Ok, I have a working sata disk plugged into my system
1150[08:44:57] <buu> debian launches grub, starts booting, runs systemd, does some random units then hangs on 'waiting on job <hash string here>' then times out at 1:30 and enters emergency mode
1151[08:45:04] <buu> Execept.. the disk mounts fine
1152[08:48:11] <Iota> Good morning, world!
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1154[08:48:38] <jscoder> buu: are you sure you don't have any erroneus entries in fstab?
1155[08:49:05] <jscoder> buu: hint, it could be a uuid changed or something like that
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1158[08:49:35] <jscoder> Iota: the world is not here, in fact with debhelper acting up few are getting in
1159[08:50:39] <jscoder> the support is plenty but the the channel limit is few.. - Debian 3:16
1160[08:52:02] <jscoder> typically uuids don't change but creating a new filesystem or such could do it.
1161[08:52:21] <Iota> :(
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1163[08:52:25] <Iota> xD
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1165[08:53:27] <buu> jscoder: So I'm in emergency mode and typed 'mount /f' (The mount point in fstab) and it ran cleanly then I checked dmesg and it whined about being mounted 151 times in a row
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1167[08:53:44] <buu> If systemctl is failing because of that stupid mount message WITHOUT TELLING ME I am going to be slightly irate
1168[08:54:34] <grawity> this looked interesting at first, but you said you'd already solved the problem, so I'm out
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1170[08:55:02] <buu> the problem is back
1171[08:55:05] <buu> and hates me
1172[08:55:29] <buu> I actually double checked the uuid and it looks fine
1173[08:55:40] <buu> Since mount can still read the fstab, but systemctl still dumps me into emergency mode
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1177[08:56:58] <buu> lol
1178[08:57:10] <buu> jelly: the bot is dropping it
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1180[08:57:20] <jelly> I know
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1182[08:57:27] <buu> ok!
1183[08:57:34] <grawity> this is freenode, why not use the server-based flood protection instead?
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1185[08:58:11] <jelly> you assume I have any idea where or how it works
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1188[08:59:12] <grawity> +j 5:10 for 5 joins/10 seconds, or something such
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1193[09:00:46] <WildPenguin> hello...
1194[09:01:15] <jscoder> buu: there is a systemd-analyze commnand that may help run it down more
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1196[09:01:35] <WildPenguin> what is the most lightweigh DE compatible with Debian?
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1198[09:02:06] <jelly> WildPenguin: presumably anything packaged is compatible. You could try lxde, dunno.
1199[09:02:23] <jelly> or not use a DE at all, just a wm instead
1200[09:02:41] <jscoder> WildPenguin: LXDE or XFCE are probably the lightest on resources of the complete DEs
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1202[09:02:44] <WildPenguin> ok. I am a linux beginner, so, would be needing some DE.
1203[09:03:29] <WildPenguin> I have a very old laptop. tried lxde also. videos on youtube are sluggish sometimes.
1204[09:03:45] <jelly> 2005 old? 2010 old?
1205[09:04:05] <WildPenguin> was bought in 2003 or 2004
1206[09:04:13] <jscoder> if your laptop is old and low on resource your DE is hardly the reason that youtube is slow.. thats the browser and flash overhead
1207[09:04:31] <WildPenguin> runs on Celeron M single core 1.6 Ghz cpu and 2 gb ram.
1208[09:04:39] <jelly> WildPenguin: web browsers are hogs and viewing video inside them will always eat lots of resources. Consider using an external video player for those.
1209[09:04:46] <jscoder> I'm on a Celeron M 1.8 with 1gb ram
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1211[09:05:18] <WildPenguin> offline videos on VLC also become slow, sometimes.
1212[09:05:22] <jscoder> and I'm using Mate and firefox.. and yeah, firefox is slow as can be, even when not doing flash
1213[09:05:33] <jelly> WildPenguin: for example, mpv works well with yt links after youtube-dl from jessie-backports is installed
1214[09:05:53] <WildPenguin> ok.
1215[09:05:57] <jelly> !jessie-backports
1216[09:05:58] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
1217[09:06:24] <WildPenguin> ok
1218[09:06:43] <jelly> jscoder: that can be remedied somewhat with NoScript and not whitelisting the common ad/tracking stuff
1219[09:06:52] <jscoder> firefox seems to have gained a lot of bloat in general, we got new machines here with Win10 and 4gb ram and its slow as can be
1220[09:07:16] <WildPenguin> btw, which is the fastest web browser?
1221[09:07:18] <jelly> you'll probably by comfortable with like 8GB RAM :-|
1222[09:07:28] <jelly> be* more
1223[09:07:37] <jelly> WildPenguin: there's no such thing
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1225[09:07:47] <jscoder> WildPenguin: links2 and dillo are fastest but they may not suit your needs as they are not fully featured
1226[09:07:53] <buu> Breaking news, systemd still won't mount my disk
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1229[09:08:14] <jscoder> buu: yeah I just heard on CNN, systemd hates buu
1230[09:08:19] <jelly> WildPenguin: there are basically only two web browsers that are both modern enough and still have security updates for linux.
1231[09:08:22] <WildPenguin> the problem here is that, the 2 gb ram I have doesn't get used up fully. At the max 1 gb even when multiple tabs are open.
1232[09:08:27] <jelly> chromium/chrome and firefox
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1234[09:08:47] <WildPenguin> It is the cpu usage which rises to 100% suddenly.
1235[09:08:55] <WildPenguin> and the system slows down.
1236[09:09:43] <WildPenguin> have tried many distros like Lubuntu, Xubuntu etc.
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1238[09:09:47] <jscoder> what kills it for me is google maps... I get better performance on google earth than google maps in firefox
1239[09:10:00] <jelly> WildPenguin: distros are not the issue there
1240[09:10:08] <WildPenguin> ok
1241[09:10:20] <jelly> they all have the same two browsers after akk
1242[09:10:46] <WildPenguin> is Debina lxde the same as Lubuntu as far as performance is concerned?
1243[09:10:47] <jscoder> chrome is slightly better on resources but its not really an option for us
1244[09:10:53] <jelly> probably
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1246[09:11:22] <jscoder> jelly: because I don't know if you noticed this but chrome has been discontinuing 32bit, and Celeron M which we're talking about here is 32bit
1247[09:11:50] <WildPenguin> jscoder, yes. this machine is a 32 bit machine.
1248[09:11:51] <jelly> debian still has chromium on i386
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1250[09:12:57] <jscoder> WildPenguin: I know, I'm telling you I got the same thing.. mine's an IBM T42 with Celeron M 1.8ghz w/ 1gb ram
1251[09:13:10] <WildPenguin> ok.
1252[09:13:28] <WildPenguin> btw, what's the difference between Arch linux and Debian?
1253[09:13:41] <bazhang> tonnes different
1254[09:13:48] <WildPenguin> like?
1255[09:13:54] <jscoder> WildPenguin: there are a vast many differencs. check out distrowatch for brief overviews
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1257[09:14:03] <bazhang> package management for one
1258[09:14:04] <WildPenguin> ok
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1260[09:14:08] <jelly> I've given up on using a 2005 IBM Thinkpad Z60m around 2011 (also Celeron M, 2GB RAM, even put in an SSD), got a desktop instead
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1262[09:14:34] <buu> My local craigslist has 2011+ laptops for like $100-$150
1263[09:14:38] <WildPenguin> jelly, I too am thinking of buying a new laptop.
1264[09:14:39] <bazhang> I got the R60e
1265[09:14:52] <jscoder> WildPenguin: and read replaced-url
1266[09:14:54] <bazhang> it still runs everything on 2gb ram
1267[09:14:55] <WildPenguin> didn't want to throw this one.
1268[09:15:21] <WildPenguin> jscoder, I have gone through them.
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1270[09:15:53] <jelly> I recently got a T420s for $250 or so, now that works rather well (esp. with 16GB RAM for an extra $80)
1271[09:16:03] <WildPenguin> I do prefer to stick to Debian or Debian derivatives.
1272[09:16:19] <buu> uh
1273[09:16:25] <buu> How do I make apt install the latest kernel in the repo?
1274[09:16:44] <jelly> buu: what does dpkg --print-architecture say?
1275[09:16:47] <jscoder> WildPenguin: If I had to sum up 10 years or more as a debian user, Stability, Freedom, and Unparalleled Support are how I'd describe this distro. I'd only recommend looking elsewhere for people who are more concerned with faster release schedules and shinier software and that don't care about freedom, stability, or larger support community
1276[09:16:54] <jelly> buu: and which debian release are you using?
1277[09:16:55] <buu> jscoder: amd64
1278[09:16:57] <buu> sid
1279[09:17:08] <jelly> buu: install linux-image-amd64
1280[09:17:23] <WildPenguin> jscoder, ok
1281[09:17:33] <buu> and why do I have linux-headers-4.8 installed along with linux-image 3.14 and linux-headers 3.14..
1282[09:17:36] <jelly> buu: if you're on sid, you should probably ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (different server/network!)
1283[09:18:14] <jelly> and sid is always broken in some way, that's what it's for...
1284[09:18:23] <buu> jelly: you should see my ycmd!
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1291[09:20:55] <buu> Woo, rebooted and no ssh
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3304[09:50:41] <dumbnode> RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE!
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3306[09:50:56] <JeDa> no u
3307[09:51:17] <dumbnode> i rape rapists
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3311[09:51:36] <bazhang> !ops | dumbnode
3312[09:51:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | dumbnode
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3316[09:51:55] <dumbnode> !ops | bazhang rapes people
3317[09:51:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dumbnode complains about: | bazhang rapes people
3318[09:52:04] <dumbnode> RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE!
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3322[09:52:31] <JeDa> lol
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3370[10:11:50] <MarcoNL> Anyone here who can help me with preseeding a system with two SSD's that I would like to run as a RAID 1?
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3381[10:15:27] <buu> ok
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3384[10:15:35] <MarcoNL> I already tried a couple of things, but all I find on google is different anwsers. All en up that the system is looking for /dev/sda5, that I am not using
3385[10:15:36] <buu> How did I end up with 78.8G of ram?
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3387[10:17:00] <steakwipe> ha
3388[10:17:02] <steakwipe> hax
3389[10:17:03] <steakwipe> lol
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3391[10:17:45] <buu> I'm so confused
3392[10:17:58] <buu> I should have 4x8 + 4x16
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3410[10:23:16] <Tsutsukakushi> >lxd: The Linux Container Daemon, 793 days in preparation, last activity 20 days ago.
3411[10:23:28] <Tsutsukakushi> over 2 years
3412[10:23:32] * Tsutsukakushi sighs
3413[10:24:01] <bazhang> lxcontainer has a channel here on freenode
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3415[10:25:05] <Tsutsukakushi> i know
3416[10:25:13] <buu> Oh, I figured it out
3417[10:25:14] <Tsutsukakushi> i don't think they use debian
3418[10:25:17] <buu> 4x4
3419[10:25:17] <Tsutsukakushi> or package for debian
3420[10:25:20] <buu> + 16x4
3421[10:25:21] <Tsutsukakushi> since they work for ubuntu
3422[10:25:22] <buu> = 80
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3465[10:48:48] <avoozl> Hi, I have a daemon, and I want to run it as a service.. the daemon works nicely when I start it from console.. but once I try to start it at boot-time, it can't find the .conf-file .. and I have no idea where to put it
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3468[10:49:07] <bazhang> which daemon
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3471[10:49:25] <avoozl> the daemon starts all good as a service, it's running and all.. but it doesn't get username, password, ip, portnumber etc from the .conf-file
3472[10:49:32] <avoozl> it's a qtservice program
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3475[10:50:38] <avoozl> it shows up in the service lists.. as running.. all good right.. but then I see in /tmp/service-debuglog.txt it is trying to connect to our database, but it doesn't have the correct username, password etc.. I just don't know where to put our .conf-file
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3479[10:51:16] <bazhang> qtservice?
3480[10:51:24] <bazhang> thats the name of it?
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3482[10:52:19] <avoozl> no, it's called RandomController
3483[10:52:38] <bazhang> ok
3484[10:53:18] <avoozl> when I start it in userland.. in console.. it finds all the configuration in $home/.config/Random/RandomController.conf
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3486[10:53:30] <avoozl> and it starts up nicely as a daemon
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3490[10:54:12] <avoozl> once we start it as a systemd service, it starts, it runs.. but it doesn't use/find the RandomController.conf .. and I don't know where to put it
3491[10:54:18] <merloon> hi avoozl
3492[10:54:26] <avoozl> hi there merloon
3493[10:54:31] <merloon> how did you configure the service ?
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3495[10:54:43] <avoozl> chkconfig RandomController on
3496[10:54:55] <avoozl> and we also made a very simple script in /etc/init.d/
3497[10:55:01] <merloon> ok
3498[10:55:19] <merloon> so you don't use systemd
3499[10:55:33] <avoozl> is it possible to use initvsys together with systemd?
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3502[10:55:56] <merloon> you are on a jessie ?
3503[10:55:56] <avoozl> I was a bit perplexed by the fact that it says it's using systemd.. but I still can use the 'service' command, which is afaik sysvinit
3504[10:56:01] <avoozl> yeah
3505[10:56:17] <avoozl> systemctl works too
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3507[10:57:27] <avoozl> or maybe there's a more simple solution to this.. all we want is to run RandomController at boot-time.. so we don't have to log in
3508[10:57:46] <merloon> your service have to be start at the end when the filesystem are up and your database started
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3511[10:59:37] <merloon> if you use sysvinit you can use /etc/rc.local (it's bad but it works)
3512[10:59:59] <merloon> this file in load at the end of the boot
3513[11:00:08] <merloon> s/in/is
3514[11:00:15] <avoozl> yeah, but then we get to the next problem, if we're starting RandomController in /etc/rc.local
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3516[11:00:27] <avoozl> we need LD_PATH_LIBRARY set to a place where the .so-files are..
3517[11:01:15] <avoozl> first time trying to make a daemon and/or service in linux.. so I'm probably doing some bad things.. hehe
3518[11:01:36] <merloon> ok so it work when you launch your daemon with you user and not with root user ? is it rtight ?
3519[11:01:38] <avoozl> you see, RandomController starts up other executables
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3524[11:02:07] <avoozl> I haven't tried the /etc/rc.local solution too much
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3526[11:02:28] <avoozl> but yeah, if I log in and start RandomController in userland, it's all good
3527[11:02:39] <avoozl> as long as the LD_LIBRARY_PATH points to where we have our .so-files
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3529[11:03:25] <merloon> do you set the LD_PATH_LIBRARY in your startup script ?
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3533[11:04:31] <merloon> you can aslo use the su command to launch the daemon with the good user
3534[11:04:34] <avoozl> in /etc/init.d you mean?
3535[11:05:10] <merloon> like that: su - <your_user> -c <the_script>
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3539[11:06:02] <avoozl> but is it possible to start the daemon without ever logging in?
3540[11:06:25] <merloon> yes of course
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3543[11:06:44] <avoozl> I think I might have complicated matters by trying to go the service-route
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3547[11:07:57] <avoozl> I'll try more on the /etc/rc.local path instead
3548[11:08:08] <avoozl> just had problems setting the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
3549[11:08:49] <merloon> don an echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH on a terminal
3550[11:09:10] <merloon> you will see what you have to put in it
3551[11:09:23] <avoozl> there's nothing there
3552[11:09:26] <merloon> when starting in rc.local
3553[11:09:35] <avoozl> ok, let me try that again
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3555[11:09:45] <merloon> go on ;)
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3560[11:10:32] <avoozl> now I have "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH='/foo/bar'" in rc.local .. before 'exit 0'
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3563[11:11:14] <avoozl> so next time I reboot, I sould be able to 'echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH' and it would print /foo/bar
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3566[11:11:44] <HaMsTeRs> does anyone know do we access menu:// in terminal?
3567[11:12:01] <HaMsTeRs> or the menu://applications/ folder?
3568[11:12:34] <vvande> ls /bin?
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3571[11:13:09] <vvande> or ls /usr/bin
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3574[11:13:36] <vvande> that is the directory with user applications
3575[11:13:51] <HaMsTeRs> hm, not that. I'm looking for the shortcut
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3577[11:14:01] <HaMsTeRs> the file structure of the menu is gone
3578[11:14:14] <vvande> I don't understand.
3579[11:14:35] <vvande> you can start things with, or example, /usr/bin/firefox
3580[11:14:45] <HaMsTeRs> yes, I understand that
3581[11:14:50] <vvande> oh
3582[11:14:51] <HaMsTeRs> but my menu for a submenu
3583[11:15:03] <HaMsTeRs> I want to list all the items in the submenu. I'm using lxde
3584[11:15:17] <vvande> sorry, I guess I'm on a different planet lol
3585[11:15:47] <vvande> it sounds like an lxde question and not a Debian one
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3589[11:16:08] <vvande> I get what you're asking now though :)
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3599[11:23:17] <avoozl> merloon, it doesn't get set
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3602[11:23:35] <avoozl> echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH is "" .. empty
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3632[11:38:03] <vvande> anybody here familiar with Debian ftpd?
3633[11:38:41] <vvande> I just installed it and it worked fine for what I was doing. However I wanted to stop it from running.
3634[11:38:49] <vvande> service ftpd status
3635[11:38:56] <vvande> no such service
3636[11:39:06] <vvande> can't find it anywhere
3637[11:39:21] <merloon> systemctl stop ftpd.service
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3639[11:40:02] <vvande> on Debian 7?
3640[11:40:05] <vvande> I'll try
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3643[11:40:30] <steakwipe> i think stop only stops it, if its set to launch on boot you might try disable? correct me if im wrong, wrong box to check
3644[11:40:42] <merloon> not on debian 7 vvande
3645[11:40:43] <vvande> systemctl: command not found
3646[11:40:49] <steakwipe> sudo
3647[11:40:55] <steakwipe> ?
3648[11:40:59] <vvande> yeah I'm root already
3649[11:41:01] <steakwipe> oh ok
3650[11:41:11] <steakwipe> i am late to the game i just constantly forget sudo or to su
3651[11:41:12] <steakwipe> :p
3652[11:41:30] <vvande> ps or top does not show any ftp service of any kind
3653[11:41:42] <vvande> yet I was able to ftp into the machine
3654[11:41:52] <friesenpeter> vvande: inetd?
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3656[11:42:06] <vvande> not familiar with that
3657[11:42:08] <friesenpeter> check with netstat -lt what has the port open
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3660[11:42:42] <vvande> ok thanks, but it's too late for that - I uninstalled it just now
3661[11:42:55] <vvande> but was curious about what's going on with that on Debian
3662[11:42:56] <friesenpeter> replaced-url
3663[11:43:23] <vvande> is inetd on 7?
3664[11:44:05] <vvande> yes, just checked :)
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3666[11:44:56] <vvande> friesenpeter: thanks for that
3667[11:45:11] <vvande> I'll bookmark that for for next time
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3684[11:56:48] <Guest9191> Hello, currently any attemtn to connection to debain ftp repository "ftp.cz.debian.org" returns error. Is it just my issue, or there is some problem on the repository servers?
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3690[11:59:13] <babilen> Guest9191: Which error? Does the same happen with other mirrors? (e.g. ftp.uk.debian.org or ftp.de.debian.org)
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3694[12:00:17] <OS-27265> r
3695[12:01:16] <OS-27265> d
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3705[12:06:49] <Guest9191> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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3709[12:07:26] <Guest9191> When I check replaced-url
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3715[12:11:27] <babilen> Guest9191: Looks as if your IPv6 networking isn't working, it might be that your router is setup incorrectly
3716[12:13:02] <Dagger> just because there's a v6 address in the error doesn't mean that v6 is at fault
3717[12:13:15] <Dagger> in this case the server is just down. I can't connect over v6 or v4
3718[12:14:27] <babilen> Guest9191: So, did you try other mirrors?
3719[12:14:55] <babilen> Because ftp.uk.debian.org is definitely working
3720[12:15:15] <Guest9191> I'll try UK mirror and let you know, just a sec
3721[12:15:41] <babilen> I had assumed you've done that already
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3724[12:16:24] <Guest9191> Well, I tried one, however it did not work(yesterday), maybe it was due to its location(Czech republic as original mirror)
3725[12:16:49] <Guest9191> UK mirror works fine, sorry for taking your time.
3726[12:16:52] <Guest9191> Thanks a lot
3727[12:17:06] <AndreasLutro> is there a recommended way to build different .deb packages for different versions of debian? I could just manually rename the .deb depending on which VM/container I'm building in but maybe there's something built-in I don't know about
3728[12:17:18] <babilen> Guest9191: You could also try deb.debian.org
3729[12:17:22] <babilen> dpkg: deb.debian.org
3730[12:17:23] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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3744[12:27:12] <stefan__2> sdf
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3746[12:29:35] <stefan__2> Does someone know when is the next stable release planned ?
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3749[12:31:34] <babilen> dpkg: wwsr
3750[12:31:35] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
3751[12:31:44] <babilen> dpkg: stretch freeze
3752[12:31:44] <dpkg> Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017; no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a period of intense bug fixing. See replaced-url
3753[12:31:58] <babilen> stefan__2: ^
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3755[12:32:58] <stefan__2> thank you. I knew that, I was hoping to get a more prceise information. But I udnerstand, Debian is not exactly a small project :-)
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3758[12:33:59] <babilen> stefan__2: Nobody knows. It really depends on how long it takes to fix all bugs
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3760[12:36:00] <stefan__2> yep. what scares me a bit is this graph : replaced-url
3761[12:36:12] <stefan__2> it seems it took more than a year to actually fix the green line bugs...
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3763[12:36:48] <stefan__2> I love the stable release but, being from the 21st century, I love updates too :-)
3764[12:37:24] <babilen> "stable" in the context of Debian means "not changing"
3765[12:37:50] <babilen> That's why the project has to make sure that every bug is fixed before the release
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3770[12:39:07] <stefan__2> yep. I know that. I was just sharing my impatience :-) But no problem. I like the stable release for the very reason it's called stable :-) Thx for listening :-)
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3776[12:40:30] <stefan__2> ahhh my bad. I just read the post you sent. It's clearly ssaid that the freeze should end by 2018. So my answer is there. SOrry for bothering you
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3893[13:55:22] <GPenguin> libvnc{-client,-server} as update?
3894[13:55:33] <GPenguin> why is that installed by default?
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3896[13:57:25] <n4dir> what about aptitude why libvnc-server. I would assume that is part of a metapackage, either a DE or a display-manager or such (as i sure ain't got it installed)
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3899[13:58:07] <GPenguin> ah, okay. my fantasy went again too far
3900[13:58:29] <n4dir> oh, GPenguin, i was only making assumptions.
3901[13:59:17] <GPenguin> no, its easy. virtualbox brought the dependency in
3902[13:59:41] <n4dir> ah, i see.
3903[13:59:52] <n4dir> so aptitude why was the solution?
3904[14:00:02] <GPenguin> yes :)
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3906[14:00:08] <n4dir> cool.
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3911[14:01:04] <Ooze> I mounted my new NAS fileshare using NFS, but when I'm managing files through samba the permssions are whacked
3912[14:01:12] <n4dir> not sure if i got that right, but it doesn't alway play well for me. It lists one package, i remove that, but then aptitude why shows another one, and so forth, in a loop ....
3913[14:01:16] <Ooze> It only seems to be a user, no group
3914[14:01:20] <Ooze> Numbers, not username
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3926[14:05:28] <chabibi> is there any way to restore the file permissions of a package's installed filed to their original ones?
3927[14:05:49] <chabibi> without reinstalling
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3931[14:08:14] <KaffeeJunky123> On debian squeeze I have an issue with the g15daemon.service, it fails to start at boot, but later it'll work after a reload, here's what journalctl prints about the service replaced-url
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3933[14:09:09] <KaffeeJunky123> From the looks the init script is hardcoded to look for the keyboard at /dev/input/uinput, I wonder how it manages to detect the keyboard at all
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3938[14:10:49] <KaffeeJunky123> chabibi: why is reinstalling not an option?
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3940[14:11:15] <ksk> chabibi: besides a manual chmod there is no way.
3941[14:11:33] <chabibi> KaffeeJunky123: I want to keep the configuration. This is for the mediawiki package
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3943[14:12:56] <KaffeeJunky123> chabibi: you can make a backup of the configuration files and reinstall
3944[14:13:10] <KaffeeJunky123> then you move the contents to the newly created configuration files
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3946[14:13:32] <chabibi> yes, that's probably the right way
3947[14:13:58] <ByteStorm> chmod
3948[14:15:03] <Stummi> reinstall shouldn't override the configuration
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3950[14:15:28] <chabibi> okay
3951[14:15:33] <KaffeeJunky123> Stummi: but will it reset the permissions on the files?
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3953[14:15:51] <KaffeeJunky123> anyways, you could just look up the proper file permissions and chmod
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3955[14:15:56] <chabibi> with aptitude?
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3957[14:16:29] <KaffeeJunky123> I wonder if there's a way to find out without looking at the actual package code
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3960[14:17:23] <ByteStorm> not code
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3962[14:17:56] <ByteStorm> the changes to the file permissions of the files you touched
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3964[14:18:08] <ByteStorm> thts what you need to check
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3966[14:18:19] <ByteStorm> reinstalling wont hurt too
3967[14:18:40] <KaffeeJunky123> ByteStorm: but it won't fix faulty permissions, will it?
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3969[14:19:05] <ByteStorm> what will?
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3973[14:19:48] <KaffeeJunky123> ByteStorm: reinstalling won't change permissions on configuration files that are altered, or am I wrong?
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3977[14:20:38] <ByteStorm> if you make a backup of the said configuration files,then its ok
3978[14:20:51] <ByteStorm> or else the reinstall might touch them too
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3980[14:21:44] <KaffeeJunky123> ByteStorm: apt will ask if you want to keep them
3981[14:21:46] <babilen> chabibi: Which files is this about?
3982[14:21:55] <chabibi> babilen: mediawiki
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3984[14:22:16] <chabibi> I found out someone messed up the permissions for the files
3985[14:22:22] <babilen> chabibi: That is not a file, but a package
3986[14:22:27] <chabibi> and want to restore them to the original
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3988[14:22:36] <babilen> "the files" -- what kind of files are you referring to here?
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3990[14:22:49] <chabibi> babilen: all the files in /usr/share/mediawiki
3991[14:22:59] <chabibi> babilen: php files mostly
3992[14:23:07] <babilen> Okay, so there is no need to be concerned with configuration files at all
3993[14:23:13] <babilen> Rest reinstall the package
3994[14:23:15] <babilen> *Just
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4001[14:27:58] <KaffeeJunky123> babilen: php files are configuration files on mediawiki :<
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4003[14:29:49] <babilen> KaffeeJunky123: mediawiki ships configuration files in /usr/share ?
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4006[14:30:22] <KaffeeJunky123> babilen: most php projects contain configuration files in their php
4007[14:30:27] <babilen> Well .. it is PHP. Why am I surprised that it is a broken pile of shit.
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4009[14:30:55] <KaffeeJunky123> if they haven't changed the configuration model heavily since I last took a look at it you'll find configuration insides the php
4010[14:31:10] <KaffeeJunky123> babilen: It's not a matter of PHP but of programming style
4011[14:31:26] <KaffeeJunky123> PHP allows you for proper separation of configuration and code
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4013[14:31:40] <KaffeeJunky123> Most PHP coders don't do that thou
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4023[14:34:00] <babilen> KaffeeJunky123: Sure, but PHP projects seem to particular suffer from these kind of ailments.
4024[14:36:40] <FinalX> nsainfo 1134423
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4028[14:37:33] <FinalX> eh, wow, window focus.
4029[14:37:37] <FinalX> sorry :)
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4031[14:37:44] <alwyn> ..welp
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4033[14:37:53] <alwyn> security incident!
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4035[14:38:10] <FinalX> howso?
4036[14:38:22] <FinalX> nsainfo is just a shell tool for me :)
4037[14:38:25] <alwyn> idk, it looks like it could be a user/password
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4040[14:38:29] <alwyn> oh
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4044[14:41:14] <kardborren> How do the maintainers decide on the priority of the packages?
4045[14:41:28] <KaffeeJunky123> kardborren: I'd roll a dice ;D
4046[14:41:58] <kardborren> KaffeeJunky123: Give me your email address so I can find your packages. Gotta do some purging. ;-)
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4048[14:43:09] <KaffeeJunky123> kardborren: I'm not a maintainer thou
4049[14:43:31] <KaffeeJunky123> I'd happily become a maintainer if someone paid me to do it ;)
4050[14:43:37] <kardborren> KaffeeJunky123: I gathered as much. :)
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4052[14:44:31] <KaffeeJunky123> kardborren: only question is whether the debmaintainers would be happy about that too :D
4053[14:44:33] <kardborren> I went down the rabbit hole to understand why my Jessie has some packages installed that seem arcane. Found the path in tasksel etc, and how it pretty much boils down the priority of the package.
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4056[14:45:59] <kardborren> Which leads to the question: Who decides on the priority? If it's the package maintainer, we'd all run the risk of someone having a stroke and all of a sudden Frogger is part of the "required" priority.
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4060[14:47:19] <echosystm> if i am root and i want to do something potentially dangerous, say open a web browser
4061[14:47:40] <echosystm> is it unsafe for me to simply run "su someotheruser mywebbrowser" ?
4062[14:47:54] <echosystm> can "mywebbrowser" somehow break out and get root?
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4065[14:48:32] <babilen> kardborren: The maintainer obviously
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4070[14:50:53] <kardborren> babilen: Really? No committee at some point?
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4077[14:52:03] <babilen> kardborren: Packages are created by the respective maintainer. You might be interested in replaced-url
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4081[14:52:28] <babilen> replaced-url
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4083[14:53:19] <FinalX> kardborren: to be fair, why wouldn't Frogger be an absolute requirement for a valid base Debian bootstrap. I mean, come on, Frogger.
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4085[14:53:29] <kardborren> babilen: Actually the document I've been reading the last 15 minutes. :)
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4087[14:53:36] <babilen> Implying that this would ever be a problem is ridiculous
4088[14:53:38] <kardborren> FinalX: Tru dat
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4091[14:54:03] <kardborren> babilen: Am I implying? I thought I was asking about the process.
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4093[14:54:29] <babilen> The priority is chosen by the maintainer of the package in line with the Debian policy
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4097[14:54:43] <babilen> (just like other packaging decisions)
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4100[14:56:47] <kardborren> babilen: Fine, I understand. But let me ask this entirely hypothetical question:
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4103[14:58:00] <kardborren> babilen: Let's say I produce a small app (fully open source and all) and become the maintainer for it. If I set the priority to "required", it will automatically be installed in all new installations (if I have understood it correctly). Is this correct?
4104[14:58:30] <babilen> Yes
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4108[14:59:18] <kardborren> Obviously that would not be in line of the policy.
4109[14:59:31] <babilen> Doing so would, however, violate Debian policy (unless the "app" really is required for the proper functioning of the system
4110[14:59:36] <babilen> )
4111[14:59:43] <kardborren> So who reacts? Who will say no?
4112[15:00:43] <babilen> First and foremost: Becoming a Debian Developer is a rather involved process in which you have to proof your familiarity with the policy
4113[15:00:54] <kardborren> Ok, understood
4114[15:01:21] <babilen> There are various stages in which this would probably come up. The first is that you'd write a ITP which is being sent to debian-devel. I'd expect many people to react to that.
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4116[15:02:02] <babilen> Then, even if that isn't caught the package would be checked by ftp-masters who check packages in the NEW queue (mostly for copyright and policy compliance)
4117[15:02:20] <babilen> Iff they don't catch this violation you (or somebody else) would file a RC bug against the package ..
4118[15:02:31] <babilen> If the maintainer refuses to change this one could escalate it
4119[15:02:53] <babilen> Either by offering nice beverages during the next Debconf or in a more formal way to the TC
4120[15:03:01] <kardborren> LOL
4121[15:03:05] <kardborren> TC = ?
4122[15:03:05] <babilen> TC could decide to overrule the maintainer (no brainer in this case)
4123[15:03:22] <ralpheeee> hi guys been using arch for close to two years (have to say I love it and its simplicity)....due to professional change change is required...leaning towards debian rather than suse...my question....(taking into mind stability is the key goal now)...i still however wish to have a "rolling" release...what are the recommendations ....sid or stretch
4124[15:03:28] <babilen> karborren: replaced-url
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4127[15:04:00] <babilen> ITP == intent to package
4128[15:04:01] <kardborren> babilen: Ah, the Debian Technical Committee. I wasn't aware of their existence
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4130[15:05:01] <kardborren> So they have the power to handle who can be a maintainer, and can decide and override all when it comes to packages (and more, I assume)?
4131[15:05:38] <babilen> In the end .. Debian is built on the assumption that people *try* very hard to provide excellent packages. A framework of rules has been laid out that summarise "best practices" to do so and there are ways in which problems can be dealt with.
4132[15:06:56] <kardborren> Understood. You've been very helpful, thank you. I have a follow-up question though. :)
4133[15:07:11] <babilen> The technical committee has the power to overrule a maintainer, yes -- See replaced-url
4134[15:07:51] <babilen> Doing so is quite a drastic measure and measures are put in place to solve issues before it comes to this
4135[15:08:02] <babilen> (the "nice drink at debconf approach")
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4138[15:08:51] <Ooze> I'm trying to create an NFS share with the proper permissions on my new NAS. Currently, I have the same user on each machine -- I'm reaching I need to make one of these a 'no-login' user and add sec=sys in my fstab entry
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4140[15:09:14] <Ooze> Can someone provide documentation/guidance on this process? I'm a little confused how I can have the same user on both servers and preser permissions
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4142[15:09:40] <kardborren> The reason I went down this rabbit hole was that I have a freshly installed (minimal) Jessie and found it to contain mutt, calendar and a couple of other things I consider stone-age. I don't claim to know if there are other things in the system that relies on them - no idea - but that made me wonder what was installed, which led to tasksel, and the priority value. And the follow-up question: Do you know if
4143[15:09:42] <kardborren> there's been a recent (say last 5 years) effort in looking through the "required" packages and making sure everything actually is required?
4144[15:10:20] <babilen> I am not aware of such an effort, no
4145[15:10:29] <babilen> (that doesn't mean it doesn't exist though)
4146[15:10:36] <kardborren> Yeah, understood.
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4148[15:10:59] <babilen> mutt is "Priority: optional" though
4149[15:11:19] <kardborren> I kind of would like to see some page in the policy document on this. What was required 1990 probably isn't automatically so now. Well, maybe, anyway.
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4153[15:12:03] <babilen> kardborren: If you have the feeling that changes are needed the right way to go about this is by filing a bug against the package. Feel free to set a high priority (as it is an alleged policy violation)
4154[15:12:55] <babilen> We try to offer a great system .. errors are made .. priorities, quite literally, change and I'd be very surprised if technically excellent advise or work would be disregarded
4155[15:13:30] <kardborren> babilen: Really, it's "standard" for me. (Not required as I thought, still gets pulled in though)
4156[15:13:32] <babilen> Debian is a very much a "do-ocracy" in that action is valued higher than inaction (and empty talk)
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4158[15:14:42] <kardborren> babilen: Yeah, I might actually do that. Do you recommend filing a bug though? Not just sending an email to the maintainer? Too great a risk of getting lost in the inbox?
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4160[15:15:23] <babilen> kardborren: replaced-url
4161[15:15:43] <babilen> kardborren: Bugs are the right way to go (also in terms of documentation)
4162[15:16:02] <kardborren> babilen: And just to be clear: I don't have anything against mutt in itself. I just started wondering about the process. Mutt just happened to become an example.
4163[15:16:26] <Pavr> It might have been a part of a virtual package you installed.
4164[15:17:02] <babilen> kardborren: It sounds as if you might have installed the standard task.
4165[15:17:47] <kardborren> babilen: Yep, sure did. That was before I understood what it meant. Live and learn.
4166[15:18:17] <babilen> Anything else I can help you with today?
4167[15:18:19] <kardborren> babilen: But I am confused by the link you sent me. Clearly optional there. But in synaptic it clearly says standard.
4168[15:18:43] <babilen> Which version of the package? Could you paste the output of "apt-cache show mutt" to replaced-url
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4174[15:19:37] <Pavr> replaced-url
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4177[15:20:26] <kardborren> babilen: replaced-url
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4180[15:22:01] <babilen> It was changed in replaced-url
4181[15:22:30] <babilen> "This is currently the value in the archive, as overriden by ftp-masters." -- So ftp-masters caught this and adjusted the priority
4182[15:22:55] <kardborren> So pretty much exactly what we've been discussing? :)
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4187[15:24:08] <babilen> kardborren: Exactly
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4190[15:24:38] <babilen> And the maintainer adjusted the priority in the packaging in reaction to it
4191[15:24:39] <Ooze> How can I have the same user w/ the same UID on multiple servers so my file permissions are retained when I create/transfer via samba?
4192[15:24:48] <kardborren> babilen: This is by far the most productive talk I've ever had with anyone in this channel. Many thanks!
4193[15:24:53] <Ooze> I was going to set up LDAP, but I don't think I need that
4194[15:25:21] <babilen> kardborren: I haven't investigated this in more detail .. I'm sure you'll find the actual conversation about it in the mailing list archives, but this seems to be a pretty good example for one way the "checks and balances" process could work
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4197[15:25:39] <babilen> kardborren: You are most welcome
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4201[15:26:30] <Ooze> What's the usual purpose of a no-login user?
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4203[15:26:44] <Ooze> Can I create another user w/ the same name on the same host as a no-login user?
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4210[15:28:25] <sk__> hello i have got a question about irda on linux
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4212[15:28:35] <sk__> how can i understand where attach tty to irda port?
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4216[15:30:39] <KaffeeJunky123> I really need to make a list of what I need on a default debian installation
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4218[15:31:24] <at0m> KaffeeJunky123: once you've finished install, dpkg --get-selections on source machine, and --set-selections on the target?
4219[15:32:33] <KaffeeJunky123> at0m: good idea, but that doesn't work reliable across versions
4220[15:33:07] <KaffeeJunky123> might give it a try
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4225[15:35:09] <KaffeeJunky123> maybe I should write a script to configure for booting my jessie, I'm using the same home drive with stretch, so I've to move my user folders around before booting jessie xD
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4228[15:35:43] <KaffeeJunky123> home sysadmins are the worst lol
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4231[15:36:29] <sk__> can anyone helo me with irda?
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4244[15:44:29] <gear4_> hey guys
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4246[15:45:03] <gear4_> I have debian 8 on a live disk and I'm trying to chroot into an existing archlinux environment
4247[15:46:24] <gear4_> however /dev doesn't show my disk drives
4248[15:46:26] <gear4_> any idea why ?
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4250[15:46:49] <gear4_> or will I just be ignored again
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4256[15:50:17] <Pavr> gear4_, any info in dmesg?
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4258[15:53:13] <gear4_> Pavr: I fixed it already, thanks
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4260[15:54:44] <Stummi> well, at least tell us what the problem was and how you fixed it :)
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4263[15:57:43] <gear4_> Stummi: maybe
4264[15:57:51] <gear4_> maybe later
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4279[16:07:57] <ben25> does anybody knows from when the test database and the anonymous users aren't installed with mysql on debian?
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4281[16:08:20] <ben25> is it just from jessie or a global security fix or something?
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4283[16:08:33] <ben25> since when*
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4285[16:09:22] <Duvrazh> ben25: which database package?
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4287[16:09:32] <Duvrazh> oh nevermind I see
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4289[16:09:41] <Duvrazh> They're installed by default. sudo mysql_secure_installation to remove them.
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4291[16:09:48] <Duvrazh> IIRC
4292[16:09:50] <ben25> ohh
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4303[16:13:40] <spaik> привет русские есть?
4304[16:15:10] <GPenguin> !ru
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4307[16:15:31] <spaik> нету ру комнты
4308[16:15:34] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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4316[16:16:32] <ben25> Duvrazh, do you think they are still installed?
4317[16:16:37] <ben25> by default
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4319[16:17:24] <Duvrazh> Last I checked. I have a dummy VM, give me a minute I'll test it for you
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4325[16:19:17] <Duvrazh> I'm installing the lamp task and I'll check that - it's a pretty default installation of mysql
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4331[16:20:20] <ben25> ah that's nice, thank you
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4337[16:20:59] <chabibi> I need a web tool to monitor a single server for disk usage, memory usage, rootkits, apache logs, mailman logs, postfix logs, network drops, etc. What program would you recommend?
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4339[16:21:43] <ldnblk> Hi there folks happy new year to you all, I am running debian wheezy with windows 7 I just done an update and windows is not showing on the grub loader, anyone know the command to get it back again ?
4340[16:22:15] <Duvrazh> update-grub sometimes works
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4343[16:23:45] <ldnblk> Duvazh: thanks it worked, have a great weekend.
4344[16:23:53] <Duvrazh> you too
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4346[16:24:17] <Duvrazh> ben25: still rollin. give me a moment
4347[16:24:27] <teraflops> ldnblk: because you have os-prober installed
4348[16:24:55] <Duvrazh> teraflops: he left already :)
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4350[16:25:15] <teraflops> I see ;D
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4357[16:28:01] <Duvrazh> ben25: The default databases that installed are information_schema, mysql, performance_schema
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4360[16:28:28] <Duvrazh> and for some reason mysql installed with swedish collation. stupid sandbox
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4368[16:30:05] <ben25> lol, nah the sweedish is asome kind of default something i got it too i believe
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4370[16:30:17] <ben25> but ok, no test
4371[16:30:29] <Duvrazh> Nope. That's news to me.
4372[16:30:46] <Duvrazh> I still recommend you run the mysql_secure_installation command though
4373[16:31:16] <ben25> hum, i guess
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4375[16:32:34] <ben25> thanks alot anyway
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4382[16:37:06] <WildPenguin> hello, which DE between lxde and xfce is more beginner friendly?
4383[16:38:02] <Hello71> doesn't really matter
4384[16:38:13] <WildPenguin> why?
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4386[16:38:32] <Hello71> neither provide very large applications
4387[16:38:43] <Hello71> if you just want to type commands lxterminal and xterm are basically the same
4388[16:38:44] <KaffeeJunky123> WildPenguin: they're both the same in ease of use
4389[16:38:54] <WildPenguin> then, which one would you suggest?
4390[16:39:07] <KaffeeJunky123> But I think a beginner would want a fully integrated desktop experience like gnome3 or kde
4391[16:39:09] <Hello71> neither, openbox or Plasma
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4393[16:39:34] <WildPenguin> Mate?
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4396[16:40:29] <WildPenguin> or Cinnamon?
4397[16:40:32] <KaffeeJunky123> WildPenguin: it depends on the users background
4398[16:40:45] <KaffeeJunky123> What sort of operating system are they familiar with?
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4400[16:40:57] <WildPenguin> ok. Let me be more specific. Someone switching from Windows.
4401[16:40:57] <KaffeeJunky123> If they have no experience what so ever, it doesn't really matter
4402[16:41:08] <KaffeeJunky123> You should chose something that you know very well yourself
4403[16:41:14] <KaffeeJunky123> WildPenguin: Which windows?
4404[16:41:29] <KaffeeJunky123> If they're used to windows7 I'd recommend KDE
4405[16:41:33] <WildPenguin> the latest one. Win 10.
4406[16:41:36] <KaffeeJunky123> It's rather similar
4407[16:41:43] <jhutchins> WildPenguin: I'd suggest xfce. It's a little more familiar and featured than lxde.
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4410[16:42:03] <KaffeeJunky123> WildPenguin: gnome3 has a very different UX
4411[16:42:19] <jhutchins> WildPenguin: While KDE may be a little more windows-like, it's also very complex and pretty resource heavy.
4412[16:42:23] <KaffeeJunky123> KDE is even similar when it comes to settings
4413[16:42:36] <KaffeeJunky123> jhutchins: shouldn't matter on a windows 10 machine
4414[16:42:48] <KaffeeJunky123> assuming you want to use the computer that runs his current os
4415[16:42:51] <KaffeeJunky123> or her*
4416[16:43:01] <jhutchins> KDE does things like run three different databases in the background to index your mail.
4417[16:43:09] <KaffeeJunky123> But I don't know how well maintained KDE in Debian is nowdays
4418[16:43:21] <KaffeeJunky123> jhutchins: are you serious?
4419[16:43:32] <zathras> ldconfig -v -l creates a rather weird symlink namewise on one particiular .so file. What can be the cause of this please?
4420[16:43:37] <KaffeeJunky123> I was pretty sure they centralized all that stuff in akonaid or however it's spelled
4421[16:43:41] <WildPenguin> ok. which DE is properly integrated with Debian?
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4423[16:44:08] <KaffeeJunky123> WildPenguin: The gnome3 desktop I'd say
4424[16:44:13] <jhutchins> KaffeeJunky123: I dropped out pretty early in the 4.x cycle. Yes, my address book crashed two of the three.
4425[16:44:23] <KaffeeJunky123> jhutchins: We're at 5 now :<
4426[16:44:24] <WildPenguin> so that any new user can install it and start working with it.
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4429[16:44:54] <KaffeeJunky123> WildPenguin: install it whilst removing an existing windows installation?
4430[16:44:55] <jhutchins> WildPenguin: Pretty much any of the ones packaged in Debian works out-of-the-box.
4431[16:44:59] <WildPenguin> Kubuntu?
4432[16:45:14] <KaffeeJunky123> urg no
4433[16:45:20] <jhutchins> WildPenguin: Contrary to some propaganda, Kubuntu is just standard Ubuntu with KDE installed.
4434[16:45:25] <KaffeeJunky123> Their KDE integration has been terrible
4435[16:45:34] <WildPenguin> ok.
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4437[16:45:44] <KaffeeJunky123> If you want something that is built around KDE get OpenSUSE
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4439[16:45:58] <KaffeeJunky123> Or Fedora
4440[16:46:06] <WildPenguin> I'm looking for an OS that is Debian based.
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4442[16:46:13] <jhutchins> WildPenguin: It's worth noting that you can have multiple Environments installed together and switch between them as you like.
4443[16:46:14] <KaffeeJunky123> WildPenguin: then just use Debian :)
4444[16:46:29] <KaffeeJunky123> But you should test it
4445[16:46:35] <WildPenguin> ok.
4446[16:46:38] <KaffeeJunky123> And you should have knowledge in the desktop that you'll recommend
4447[16:46:49] <KaffeeJunky123> I mean, you're going to provide support for a while after all
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4449[16:47:03] <KaffeeJunky123> And you should be able to troubleshoot common issues
4450[16:47:10] <WildPenguin> I had almost forgotten that multiple DE can be installed.
4451[16:47:26] <KaffeeJunky123> Well they can, but it doesn't make much sense when they use different groupware
4452[16:47:36] <KaffeeJunky123> evolution vs kontact etc
4453[16:47:43] <WildPenguin> But, still it should work without any hiccups.
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4456[16:48:02] <KaffeeJunky123> Yes, because they've seperate configuration for their stuff
4457[16:48:21] <WildPenguin> that is why, I feel going for a single DE which is suitable is better.
4458[16:48:51] <jhutchins> WildPenguin: You can also run gnome programs within KDE and vice-versa.
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4464[16:49:39] <WildPenguin> so, Debian stable with kde?
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4466[16:53:00] <sh00p> i'd go for testing if you got a reasonably modern computer
4467[16:53:07] <sh00p> testing is pretty solid imo
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4471[16:54:09] <sh00p> or actualy stable is pretty recent
4472[16:54:11] <sh00p> nevermind
4473[16:54:16] <WildPenguin> testing what?
4474[16:54:31] <sh00p> debian testing
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4476[16:54:59] <WildPenguin> ok.
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4478[16:55:21] <sh00p> but i dont know where debian is at right now, so i'm sure you'll be fine with stable
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4480[16:56:00] <jhutchins> sh00p: Please don't recommend testing to newcomers.
4481[16:56:38] <sh00p> jhutchins: alright, if you will
4482[16:56:51] <jhutchins> WildPenguin: Testing is available so you can help find bugs before it's released. It's meant to be broken, and it stays broken until a proper fix is found. It does not get quick security updates.
4483[16:56:56] <sh00p> i've never had any problems with my setup, so i'm coming from that perspective
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4487[16:57:36] <WildPenguin> I'm too new to Linux to deal with such things.
4488[16:57:37] <jhutchins> WildPenguin: You should get familiar with how Debian does things and handles packages, and maybe watch the channels for a while to see what goes wrong and how people fix it.
4489[16:57:58] <WildPenguin> and I want an OS to get the work done.
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4491[16:58:19] <jhutchins> WildPenguin: If you actually need the computer to get work done you want to have stable available at least as a fallback.
4492[16:58:40] <WildPenguin> For me stable is the only option.
4493[16:58:55] <jhutchins> WildPenguin: Stable might not have the latest packages with the latest cool features, but it just works.
4494[16:59:01] <WildPenguin> Besides me others also may use the computer.
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4496[16:59:44] <WildPenguin> ok.
4497[17:00:23] <jhutchins> WildPenguin: I've been using Linux exclusively for about a decade, and my wife's home computer has always been Linux.
4498[17:00:55] <WildPenguin> I am just about a month old in Linux.
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4532[17:09:55] <Duvrazh> Man.... I tried to join #centos automatically, and did so before my IDENT went through, and they banned me.
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4539[17:11:57] <Poster> They send you to #centos-unregistered, this is in the ban list from 1/2/17:
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4541[17:12:11] <Poster> #centos *!*@gateway/web/freenode/*$#centos-unregistered set by nylund.freenode.net (Mon Jan 02 17:24:05 2017)
4542[17:12:24] <Poster> I think it was probably before then, there have been some splits
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4546[17:13:27] <Duvrazh> Yeah they auto-banned me because I hadn't ident'd with nickserv yet apparently, but I was reconnecting with ident token. Tried to join them automatically. They did indeed send me there. That's kind of a PITA.
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4548[17:14:06] <Poster> It's likely setup that way due to abuse, unfortunately you got hit in the crossfire
4549[17:14:15] <Poster> I had the same issue
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4552[17:14:43] <Poster> I am now setup to only join channels after NickServ has logged me in
4553[17:14:56] <dStruct> Duvrazh: they probably have a blanket ban set for anyone not logged into nickserv, if you auth can you login afterwards?
4554[17:15:00] <teraflops> than use e.g sasl
4555[17:15:10] <Duvrazh> dStruct: I did auth. Still banned.
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4558[17:15:16] <Duvrazh> Rather annoying
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4560[17:15:38] <Duvrazh> Oh well forget them.
4561[17:15:45] <Duvrazh> #debian is where it's at.
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4566[17:17:27] <dStruct> Duvrazh: ahh you're using the webclient, it looks like they have a blanket ban for all users that come from there
4567[17:17:38] <Duvrazh> booooo
4568[17:17:41] <Duvrazh> Yeah I totally am.
4569[17:18:04] <Duvrazh> I try not to install software if I don't have to.
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4571[17:18:11] <Duvrazh> I wind up with more crap...
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4575[17:19:22] <dStruct> Duvrazh: I'd recommend setting up a client with SASL and sharing the public key with nickserv, you can still auth with password if you want but it's more secure with SSL (port 6697) and SASL
4576[17:19:48] <Duvrazh> Never tried that. I'm assuming this is common amongst most irc clients?
4577[17:20:07] <Duvrazh> I'm at work, therefore I'm on a Windows box. :(
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4580[17:20:43] <Duvrazh> dStruct: ^
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4582[17:20:57] <dStruct> Duvrazh: most, not all, yes
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4584[17:21:16] <Duvrazh> You've convinced me.... Off to Google to find the best.
4585[17:21:21] <Poster> KVIrc can run portable (no installer, run from USB drive, for example)
4586[17:21:24] <Poster> replaced-url
4587[17:21:29] <dStruct> Duvrazh: I prefer using ZNC and having it handle all the auth for me so I'm always on and always auth'd
4588[17:21:47] <dStruct> Duvrazh: check out Hexchat, it's not too bad IMHO
4589[17:21:54] <Poster> plus it can have many clients connected to it -^
4590[17:22:00] <Poster> znc that is
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4594[17:22:36] <dStruct> Poster: yes it can, although I only have myself on it, but I can login from for example Mutter on my iPhone 7 and stay connected and get push notified when I get a /msg :D
4595[17:22:36] <Duvrazh> hmmmm..... Well I might look into that for later
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4598[17:23:16] <Duvrazh> Heh. iPhone. I used to be a fanboy.
4599[17:23:19] <Poster> dStruct: yeah I have an instance I connect from 2 desktops full time and occasionlly my phone
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4602[17:24:14] <dStruct> Poster: it's nice literally NEVER missing anything, it logs everything and plays it back on reconnect, which is pretty awesome
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4604[17:24:58] <dStruct> Duvrazh: I'm pretty happy with it, but then again I may be a little biased
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4606[17:25:05] <dStruct> Duvrazh: the iPhone that is
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4608[17:25:19] <Poster> dStruct: yes I agree 100%
4609[17:25:21] <Duvrazh> dStruct: I used to be too. Then my work gave me a Samsung Galaxy S7. I'll never go back to iPhone.
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4611[17:25:36] <Duvrazh> oh yeah we are aren't we?
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4613[17:25:46] <dStruct> we should move the convo to #debian-offtopic
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4615[17:25:58] <Duvrazh> I'm game
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4656[17:45:59] <asti> hello
4657[17:46:10] <asti> I'm having trouble installing java-jdk-8
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4660[17:46:40] <asti> I get this error:
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4662[17:47:19] <asti> detected debian gnu type: i586-linux-gnu
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4664[17:47:35] <asti> what's that? I have an i7 not a pentium CPU
4665[17:47:40] <KaffeeJunky123> when porting a debian package to systemd, how do I get it to set the daemon to enabled by default?
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4670[17:48:58] <dondelelcaro> KaffeeJunky123: if you have debian/package.service, dh_systemd_enable should do that for you
4671[17:49:11] <dondelelcaro> KaffeeJunky123: man dh_systemd_enable and dh_systemd_start for details
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4676[17:50:17] <dondelelcaro> KaffeeJunky123: specifically, though, you shouldn't need to do that manually
4677[17:50:20] <KaffeeJunky123> dondelelcaro: the package came with a sysvinit script, I've added a systemd unit file and build deps on dh-systemd, it looks like it's generating the systemd stuff, but also the update-rc.d commands
4678[17:50:21] <asti> I, once more, discovered why I normally use arch and not debian: stale package hell
4679[17:50:55] <dondelelcaro> asti: which architecture of Debian did you install?
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4681[17:52:01] <dondelelcaro> asti: and do you mean openjdk-8-jdk? or is this a package created with java-package?
4682[17:52:03] <mrproper> I have a relatively fresh Debian install and am having problems with NTP. It doesn’t seem to be starting on boot and won’t stay active permanently
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4684[17:53:03] <dondelelcaro> mrproper: and you've got ntp installed? it should start by default, and be configured by default too
4685[17:53:25] <dondelelcaro> mrproper: what does systemctl status ntp; say?
4686[17:53:42] <dStruct> if I want to modify a default shell keyboard key for example how the up arrow in bash brings up the last command, where is that actually set up?
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4688[17:53:44] <dondelelcaro> KaffeeJunky123: if I understand it correctly, your package should have both of them
4689[17:54:08] <mrproper> dondelelcaro: Yeah it’s installed. It’s in rc5.d but when I try to run that script I get an error “No such file or directory”. If I do a restart against the init.d version (really, destination of the symlink) it works. Again, it doesn’t stay running that long, but it works for the moment.
4690[17:54:25] <dondelelcaro> dStruct: man 3 readline; for details
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4692[17:54:30] <KaffeeJunky123> dondelelcaro: I guess so too, so we can support debian installations without systemd
4693[17:54:36] <dondelelcaro> KaffeeJunky123: right
4694[17:54:42] <mrproper> dondelelcaro: At the moment it says it’s working. But I’ll need to give it some time.
4695[17:54:56] <KaffeeJunky123> dondelelcaro: I guess I'll have to look into what causes the issues, just now the service came back up just fine after a suspend
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4697[17:55:11] <KaffeeJunky123> dondelelcaro: it's the g15daemon
4698[17:55:27] <dStruct> dondelelcaro: awesome, thanks :D
4699[17:55:33] <dondelelcaro> dStruct: np
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4701[17:55:56] <dStruct> dondelelcaro: I knew that lol, but couldn't remember. I'm actually applying this to a System V R3 box heh
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4703[17:56:21] <dondelelcaro> heh
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4705[17:56:57] <dondelelcaro> mrproper: ah, so it's starting, but failing randomly? are you using systemd? [If so, systemctl status ntp; or journalctl -u ntp; should tell you what went wrong with it. If not, you'll have to check /var/log/daemon.log IIRC.]
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4707[17:57:32] <dondelelcaro> mrproper: you might also check what the output of ntpq -c peers; is when it fails
4708[17:57:42] <mrproper> dondelelcaro: I think it’s systemd since systemctl works. I’ll need to give some time to let it fail and then troubleshoot.
4709[17:58:02] <dondelelcaro> mrproper: cool. Assuming that you're saving the logs, you could potentially look at the old ones to see what it did
4710[17:58:25] <dondelelcaro> mrproper: just mkdir /var/log/journal; and journalctl should start saving them for you
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4714[17:59:59] <asti> dondelelcaro: I installed debian-8.6.0-i386
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4716[18:00:33] <dondelelcaro> asti: so then your i7 CPU is going to be treated as if it was a pentium class CPU.
4717[18:00:46] <dondelelcaro> asti: if you want it otherwise, install debian-8.6.0-amd64.
4718[18:00:59] <asti> dondelelcaro: that was the problem
4719[18:01:01] <asti> got it thanks
4720[18:01:10] <asti> but why amd? I have an intel chip?
4721[18:01:25] <dondelelcaro> asti: because amd invented the instruction set first
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4723[18:01:37] <asti> okay thanks
4724[18:01:38] <dondelelcaro> asti: while intel was making IA64, which no one ended up using
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4729[18:02:12] <dondelelcaro> !em64t
4730[18:02:13] <dpkg> "Intel 64" (formerly IA-32e, EM64T) is Intel's clone of AMD64, providing 64-bit extensions to the i386 architecture. Get either Debian i386 or amd64. Ask me about <amd64>.
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4754[18:12:43] <plasticle> ls
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4756[18:12:58] <plasticle> sorry, wrong window:)
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4769[18:16:40] <jhutchins> !ia-64
4770[18:16:41] <dpkg> Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers and are supported by Debian's ia64 port (replaced-url
4771[18:17:16] <noahmg123> I have connected a bluetooth headset but it does not appear in the sound settings
4772[18:17:27] <jhutchins> xeons still use ia-64 don't they?
4773[18:17:46] <teclo-> no I have Xeons and they run amd64
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4776[18:18:40] <jhutchins> IIRC the problem with IA-64 is it wasn't 32b compatible.
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4790[18:23:01] <tables> what's the easiest way to create a debian live cd?
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4794[18:24:05] <GPenguin> tables: there is no easy way - at least to my knowledge
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4798[18:25:18] <GPenguin> tables: the web browsing journey could begin at Knoppers' remastering guides
4799[18:25:27] <GPenguin> but the base is knoppix then
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4803[18:26:21] <n4dir> tables: you could look at refractasnapshot and i think antix has a similar tool. Both left the systmed thing behind, but i don't think it matters.
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4806[18:26:43] <tables> what's the easiest way to create a linux live cd distribution?
4807[18:26:59] <n4dir> been ages i used live-helper or such, a debian package itself, but that sure ain't easy (as long you want a really customized version)
4808[18:27:30] <GPenguin> tables: tools like ubiquity dont work for debian
4809[18:27:48] <GPenguin> and cd distribution is another field
4810[18:27:57] <GPenguin> did you take 10 minutes to google?
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4813[18:28:29] <GPenguin> ah, sorry n4dir
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4827[18:34:49] <jhutchins> !live
4828[18:34:49] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
4829[18:35:11] <jhutchins> tabakhase: pendrivelinux.com also has advice on building your own live image.
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4833[18:36:40] <wingnut> hi, i am using firefox-esr on debian from a remote location and it works well. What does -esr mean ?
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4837[18:38:20] <jhutchins> tabakhase: Sorry, nic completion fail.
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4839[18:38:29] <wingnut> also, it seems debian package this with some 'built-in' xorg functionality because xorg is not intalled on the server.
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4841[18:38:54] <jhutchins> wingnut: What are you using for your GUI then?
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4845[18:39:22] <wingnut> jhutchins: i am connecting remotely from a linux mint box
4846[18:40:12] <wingnut> to a debian server where firefox-esr is intalled
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4848[18:40:48] <jhutchins> wingnut: You don't need much of xorg installed to run an app remotely. We used to just install xclock, it would pull the necessary libraries and was useful for testing.
4849[18:41:01] <jhutchins> wingnut: -esr is Extended Support Release.
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4852[18:41:16] <wingnut> ok thanks :)
4853[18:41:58] <jhutchins> wingnut: Oracle has some GUI apps that the DBAs run remotely off the servers.
4854[18:42:47] <wingnut> jhutchins: I am very happy with the debian setup infact .. but I am trying to work out what debian package firefox-esr with because xorg is not installed. apt-get install xorg would result in 110mb of installation
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4861[18:43:44] <wingnut> the reason is : the same setup on an ubuntu server (somewhere else) results in very slow rendering
4862[18:43:47] <jhutchins> wingnut: Take a look at the apt*/dpkg logs in /var/log/, see what installed with it.
4863[18:44:09] <jhutchins> wingnut: Slow rendering is normal for forwarded X.
4864[18:44:21] <wingnut> the ubuntu version does require full xorg install
4865[18:44:51] <wingnut> the debian setup works almost as well as running locally
4866[18:44:56] <jhutchins> wingnut: That's a matter of packaging (dependencies).
4867[18:45:42] <jhutchins> wingnut: I doubt there's much difference in the code, they're both just packaged from the Mozilla binaries.
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4874[18:46:58] <wingnut> debian uses firefox-esr 45.6 .. ubuntu uses firefox 50.1
4875[18:47:04] <jhutchins> wingnut: You might make sure that the Ubuntu install isn't actually _running_ X.
4876[18:47:20] <jhutchins> ,v firefox
4877[18:47:27] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 50.1.0-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 50.1.0-1; sid: 50.1.0-1; experimental: 51.0~b5-1
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4879[18:47:39] <Armays> Hello how can i include the Access-Control-Allow-Headers header in my servers response ?
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4881[18:48:03] <jhutchins> Armays: What server?
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4888[18:51:05] <Armays> jhutchins: a debian jessie
4889[18:51:20] <Armays> i installed osrm
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4899[18:54:04] <teraflops> Armays: idk what osrm is, but in e.g nginx use add_header
4900[18:54:39] <Armays> ok i use nginx
4901[18:54:47] <teraflops> then use add_header
4902[18:54:51] <Armays> could you give me an exemple please ?
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4904[18:55:02] <jhutchins> Armays: You should consult the ngnix docs.
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4906[18:55:17] <Armays> ok thanks
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4911[18:55:45] <jhutchins> Armays: Probably useful to google "ngnix Access-Control-Headers"
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4920[19:02:35] <woffs> anyone using mini-buildd?
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4922[19:03:01] <dTal> So there's this nifty but orphaned program called 'hnb' which Debian is evidently the sole maintainer for. I fixed a small bug a year ago and submitted a patch. Nothing happened. Did I do it right?
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4924[19:03:34] <dTal> I say "small" - the fix is small but without it the program is unusable.
4925[19:03:54] <dTal> replaced-url
4926[19:03:55] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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4931[19:06:43] <jhutchins> Armays: BTW, that's not a "Figure it out for yourself", I think with public services like a web server it's best to understand the background of what you're doing and the security implications.
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4939[19:08:42] <koowgnojeel> I love you Debian :x Happy new year.
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4955[19:14:52] <jhutchins> dTal: Have you tried contacting the maintainer?
4956[19:15:05] <jhutchins> ,v hnb
4957[19:15:06] <judd> Package: hnb on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.9.18-9; jessie: 1.9.18-10; sid: 1.9.18+ds1-1; stretch: 1.9.18+ds1-1
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4960[19:15:58] <dTal> not directly, I thought bug reports went to the maintainer - they'd be kind of pointless otherwise
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4977[19:20:36] <cusco> hi, what's the difference between firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-misc-nonfree ?
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5034[19:47:21] <mrproper> My Debian install seems to have problems with daylight savings time. NTP is running but it’s behind an hour. Is there something I need to set.
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5041[19:50:05] <mrproper> I just ran reconfigure for tz and it is saying “Local time is now: Fri Jan 6 11:17:53 CST 2017.” which isn’t quite true. It’s 12:17.
5042[19:50:27] <n4dir1> mrproper: the debian wiki site has a page, i think to reset it was like "ntpd -q" or similar (sure the -q)
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5044[19:50:38] <n4dir1> but like anything else on the planet you can now use systemd to set it
5045[19:50:46] <n4dir1> dpkg ntp
5046[19:50:46] <dpkg> well, ntp is The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. replaced-url
5047[19:51:05] <Ooze> I'm trying to add a new group, 'users' -- but I'm getting an error claiming this group already exists
5048[19:51:18] <Ooze> if I run 'groups', however, I do not see this group listed
5049[19:51:19] <teraflops> mrproper: is your timezone right? you do dualboot with windows machine? do you sync with a timeserver?
5050[19:51:24] <Ooze> What's awry?
5051[19:51:49] <mrproper> teraflops: The timezone is set to America/Chicago which is accurate. This isn’t dualboot but is inside of a VM. And yes, it’s setup to sync via ntp.
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5054[19:52:36] <qqx> Ooze: The `groups` command lists groups that the current user belongs to, not all known groups.
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5056[19:53:03] <abrotman> dTal: dTal you might want to prepare an NMU and see if you can get someone to do that. Not sure how you feel about being the package maintainer-ish
5057[19:53:09] <Ooze> ahhh
5058[19:53:16] <Ooze> qqx: How can I list them all?
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5061[19:54:06] <mrproper> n4dir1: I have the VM setup to inherit the time from the host OS. I disabled that to see if it fixes the problem.
5062[19:54:07] <qqx> Ooze: `getent group | cut -d: -f1`
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5065[19:54:41] <n4dir1> mrproper: usually the ntpd -q fixes it for me (assuming i recall the command exact)
5066[19:55:07] <teraflops> lol I wonder if time was fine in the host
5067[19:55:47] <Ooze> cheers
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5073[19:57:59] <dTal> abrotman: I wouldn't mind, it's not exactly a high-maintainance package
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5077[19:58:13] <dTal> though I'd worry about "doing it right"
5078[19:58:20] <teraflops> dTal: then find a mentor
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5101[20:08:05] <kryl> hi, Am I the one to have slowdown on my computer when I transfer data to USB ? especially when I do raw transfer with dd command ?
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5103[20:08:50] <epsilon> usb3.0?
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5106[20:09:27] <epsilon> usb 1.x -> no. usb 2.x -> maybe. usb 3.x -> yes
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5118[20:17:55] <hiya> Where would an application look for the default DHparam file?
5119[20:18:09] <hiya> If I am using a server software which do not have any option to set dhfile that I created which DHfile would it use when I set a cipher string which has DHE in it?
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5128[20:21:09] <jhutchins> hiya: I think that would be something that that software's docs or support would have to answer. What software?
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5175[20:23:44] <grawity> there is no default system-wide DHparam file
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5177[20:23:59] <grawity> there are however default DH parameters which programs sometimes hardcode
5178[20:24:14] <grawity> (the Oakley groups, mostly)
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5180[20:24:47] <jaggz> Hi.. ssh-agent is being run by kdm, but my env vars aren't being set
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5183[20:25:56] <jaggz> whycome?
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5185[20:26:58] <grnmtn> i just finished a debian install booting UEFI, Linux software raid drive mirroring, with LVM on top. It gets stuck booting - md starts, then there's a journal check on the root logical volume, and it doesn't get any further
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5187[20:27:22] <grnmtn> any ideas? HD lights are showing activity, not sure what to make of that
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5190[20:28:22] <hiya> jhutchins, famous SIP server Kamailio
5191[20:28:22] <hiya> Do you know about it?
5192[20:28:39] <hiya> I am helping people fix its tls security but I don't see an option for dhfile
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5200[20:32:23] <jaggz> bah.. I just set it up manually.. well.. thanks
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5202[20:32:25] <jaggz> :)
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5211[20:35:08] <abrotman> dTal: see #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, they can probably help more
5212[20:35:18] <jhutchins> hiya: Looks like it's a compile-time setting perhaps: replaced-url
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5214[20:35:38] <jhutchins> hiya: Looks like they've got pretty good support.
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5219[20:36:48] <jhutchins> hiya: replaced-url
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5221[20:37:10] <hiya> jhutchins, they do not have an option to set dhfile is what I said
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5223[20:37:41] <hiya> show me the parameter for dhfile?
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5231[20:40:32] <jhutchins> hiya: Sorry, I'm still suggesting you use their support resources, I'm just passing on stuff as I find it. It may be something you could set when you build it or build the module, or maybe even build the ssl lib. Or you could just accept the defaults. It's really a kamailio question, not a Debian question.
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5235[20:42:34] * awal1 wonders how a "simple" extension like 'xul-ext-ublock-origin' requires 11 mb space in disk; + fonts-font-awesome ) = around 12 mb :(
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5240[20:43:44] <jhutchins> awal1: Space is cheap these days, nobody bothers to conserve it.
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5243[20:46:06] <awal1> jhutchins: right, but sounds like too much for an extension (xul-ext-adblok-plus just 3, doing almost the same job as ublock-origin)
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5245[20:46:22] <awal1> adblock 3 mb ^
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5247[20:47:35] <hiya> jhutchins, yes thanks
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5252[20:50:18] <jhutchins> awal1: Maybe it didn't get properly stripped.
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5254[20:50:48] <jhutchins> hiya: Good luck, thats an ambitious project!
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5259[20:51:35] <awal1> jhutchins, stripped?
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5262[20:52:08] <jhutchins> awal1: Debug symbols, comments, etc. Supposed to be removed before building Debian binaries.
5263[20:52:29] <awal1> jhutchins: ok, got it
5264[20:52:47] <jhutchins> awal1: That's just a wild guess. Bad code is another possibility.
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5270[20:55:09] <dTal> thanks abrotman!
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5275[20:56:37] <hiya> jhutchins, but they ignore PFS and support RC4/MD5 . I am just trying as an outsider to get them to fix it all
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5283[20:59:34] <hiya> jhutchins, if you are on twitter can you please twitter them? I emailed but I do't know if they still care. Tweets help becaause then public reads it
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5287[21:00:12] <awal1> A general question, not unstable specific: how to make aptitude purge ~o not purging old kernels as apt-get does (bcuz of apt's autoremoval-kernels replaced-url
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5291[21:02:50] <unborn> any alternative to chrome/chromium/firefox? just for browsing net, with java but no plugins or anything extra?
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5295[21:06:42] <awal1> unborn, if using gnome, it have it's own browser; I don't remember it's name
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5298[21:07:12] <awal1> otherwise you have midori
5299[21:07:16] <unborn> awal1: yap gnome here.. im just searching it..
5300[21:07:41] <awal1> I think it's called 'web browser' now
5301[21:07:48] <awal1> ,v web-browser
5302[21:07:49] <judd> No package named 'web-browser' was found in amd64.
5303[21:08:22] <awal1> I like 'luakit', unborn
5304[21:08:46] <missmbob> gnome's is called epiphany
5305[21:09:10] <awal1> right. but in sid /stretch I think they changed the name
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5307[21:09:38] <missmbob> ,v epiphany-browser
5308[21:09:39] <judd> Package: epiphany-browser on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-2.1; jessie: 3.14.1-1; stretch: 3.22.3-1; sid: 3.22.4-1
5309[21:09:45] <unborn> awal1: ah well I am trying to stay with debian repos..
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5311[21:10:05] <unborn> is epiphany pre installed?
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5314[21:10:20] <unborn> nah its not
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5319[21:11:08] <awal1> unborn: luakit is in debian, not sure if in jessie. disigned for use with keyboard only, but it supports mouse too
5320[21:11:50] <awal1> ,v luakit
5321[21:11:51] <judd> Package: luakit on amd64 -- wheezy: 2012.03.25-1; sid: 2012.09.13-r1-8; stretch: 2012.09.13-r1-8
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5325[21:14:53] <unborn> ,v slimjet
5326[21:14:55] <judd> No package named 'slimjet' was found in amd64.
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5332[21:16:58] <unborn> goiing with midori
5333[21:17:30] <unborn> heh
5334[21:17:37] <unborn> ,v midori
5335[21:17:38] <judd> Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-ds1-4; sid: 0.5.11-ds1-4; experimental: 0.5.12~wk2-exp1
5336[21:17:47] <unborn> crap
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5347[21:26:03] <awal1> unborn, well, you can try 'xombrero'; it's also fine. with 2 keyboard shortcuts you clean cookies and history
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5350[21:26:52] <awal1> many live distros uses 'netsurf'
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5352[21:27:23] <jhutchins> awal1: web-browser is just a placeholder alias for whatever browser is configured as the default.
5353[21:28:45] <jhutchins> Is it normal that hitting e in grub now gives you the whole config file instead of just the three lines for the selected item?
5354[21:28:57] <awal1> jhutchins: yeah, I know ; but I don't remember where I have seen that gnome now calls it's browser jut 'web browser', maybe not in debian
5355[21:28:59] <jhutchins> I see a lot of conditional code and such.
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5357[21:29:31] <missmbob> awal1: it does. debian package name didn't change. replaced-url
5358[21:30:29] <awal1> missmbob: I see
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5363[21:35:40] <Mahe> hey guys, I just tried compiling and installing the 4.9.1 vanilla kernel from kernel.org on jessie. Compilation succeeded but when I try to install linux-headers, it says it can't find the linux-headers (doh!) replaced-url
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5370[21:39:41] <SynrG> Mahe: the package you're installing seems to have an odd suffix of "_1". did you add that?
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5372[21:39:56] <Mahe> yea, I specified '1' as revision
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5377[21:41:41] <Mahe> hmm I just tried installing '-image' first and then '-headers', it got further now but it seems to expect the source directory where I compiled it to be present. There seems to be some kind of symlink created by the binary package that tries to point to the original compilation dir, is this normal?
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5381[21:43:00] <Mahe> shouldn't the built image and header packages be kind of 'self-contained' in terms of not depending on the (huge) source directory anymore?
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5390[21:45:27] <iio7> AFAIK, during installation of Debian, when the installer detects hardware that requires some non-free firmware blob, the user is asked whether he wants to enable this or not, am I not correct? Nothing gets installed without the user knowing?
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5393[21:47:35] <missmbob> the official iso doesnt have any non-free firmware at all
5394[21:47:48] <SynrG> Mahe: i've not done self-built kernels in a while. were you following the instructions from the kernel handbook for that?
5395[21:47:56] <missmbob> !firmware iso
5396[21:47:57] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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5398[21:48:05] <iio7> missmbob, thanks a lot!
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5404[21:50:04] <Mahe> SynrG, I followed the instructions at the official jessie docs
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5406[21:50:49] <SynrG> i assume you mean the kernel handbook, then.
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5411[21:51:07] <Mahe> SynrG, replaced-url
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5413[21:51:41] <Mahe> I just extended the command by the 'kernel_headers' argument which also builds the headers
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5417[21:52:51] <SynrG> Mahe: yeah. i just wanted to ensure it was that way (looks like it is based on the kernel handbook instructions) and not make-kpkg
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5420[21:54:45] <Mahe> The funny thing is, if I extract the built 'linux-image-4.9.*.deb', I can see a symlink at '/lib/modules/4.9.1/build' that points to '/media/mahe/<uuid>/linux-4.9.1' (external drive where I compiled the kernel)
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5422[21:55:28] <Mahe> I unmounted the drive already, that's why the DKMS process is failing
5423[21:56:02] <SynrG> Mahe: Typically there are both -common and -arch packages ... did your build produce both?
5424[21:56:31] <Mahe> SynrG, no - just the amd64 ones
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5427[21:57:15] <SynrG> ok. might be something different about upstream kernel vs debian kernel builds
5428[21:57:47] <Mahe> I looked at the installed jessie kernels: the corresponding symlink is pointing to the '/usr/src/linux-headers-*/' dir for the official debian ones
5429[21:57:52] <SynrG> Mahe: i don't know what to say. except maybe there are more details in the kernel handbook (and the doc you cited links to it)
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5432[21:59:03] <kubrickdave> Is there a reason freetype is still at 2.6.3?
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5437[22:00:49] <missmbob> kubrickdave: open a bug report and ask for 2.6.5
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5439[22:01:27] <cwage> hello. i have an issue starting mysql in debian 8 with systemd. mysql starts up fine if i start it from the commandline, however systemctl start mysql simply returns immediately. strace isn't particularly helpful replaced-url
5440[22:01:31] <cwage> i'm stumped
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5442[22:01:52] <cwage> there doesn't appear to be a /lib/systemd/system/mysql.service at all, though creating one doesn't seem to make much difference
5443[22:02:02] <kubrickdave> missmbob: ok. i will.
5444[22:02:45] <cwage> results from systemctl start and systemctl status replaced-url
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5452[22:05:48] <cwage> welp, doing systemctl stop mysql and systemctl start mysql it's working again
5453[22:05:50] <cwage> \o/
5454[22:05:53] <cwage> systemd--
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5499[22:28:15] <disi> 2 questions...
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5501[22:28:29] <disi> im trying to install docker, but trying to download their key keeps timing out. how do i diagnose this? (sorry, accidentally parted earlier without realizing)
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5507[22:29:10] <disi> also, my upgrades keep failing because i decline to continue after a warning from apt-listbugs... is there a way to say "just skip this one affected package"?
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5509[22:30:45] <DoberMann> disi: replaced-url
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5512[22:31:37] <disi> DoberMann: perfect, thank you for that
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5524[22:38:30] <jhutchins> disi: As far as the docker key goes, I'm afraid that's an "ask them".
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5529[22:39:53] <disi> jhutchins: ok, will do... i have already cross-posted their, but i wasnt sure if this was a common thing since they are have you use `apt-key adv`. thanks anyways
5530[22:39:58] <disi> there*
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5543[22:47:00] <imMute> systemd++ # because it wasn't systemd's fault.
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5583[23:01:34] <echosystm> is it possible to create a passwordless user that can ONLY login locally?
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5585[23:02:14] <echosystm> i have a box i need to log into as a particular user to do some completely non-sensitive stuff and cbf typing password every time
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5591[23:05:11] <DoberMann> echosystm: this should help replaced-url
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5599[23:08:12] <echosystm> thanks DoberMann
5600[23:08:20] <echosystm> are there any security implications to this?
5601[23:08:34] <echosystm> i'm not well versed in all this tty business
5602[23:08:43] <echosystm> are they ever exposed over network?
5603[23:08:58] <DoberMann> unleass you have desktop manager and their autologin feature
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5605[23:09:23] <DoberMann> this is just as bad as don't close your session
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5609[23:10:03] <echosystm> ok
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5613[23:10:27] <n4dir> as far i can see: to be able to connect to a machine or to login into an account you would first have all to to run some kind of service which would enable that.
5614[23:10:45] <n4dir> I can't see how that should work without doing such (ssh server, vnc-server, something like that)
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5616[23:10:56] <echosystm> theres absolutely no way this could be exposed if i had ssh enabled?
5617[23:11:04] <echosystm> or is that exactly what i'm doing
5618[23:11:24] <echosystm> i do need to enable ssh from time to time
5619[23:11:27] <n4dir> if you got password authentication for ssh? Never tried that, but i would assume then whoever knows the username can ssh to it
5620[23:12:01] <DoberMann> remote login for users that don't have password should be disabled by default
5621[23:12:01] <n4dir> use authentication via ssh-keys, and the problem is solved ( i think)
5622[23:12:09] <echosystm> hang on
5623[23:12:26] <echosystm> if i set a password on the user (that i never actually use), i'm safe right?
5624[23:12:35] <DoberMann> no
5625[23:12:46] <DoberMann> it will allow remote (ssh ?) login
5626[23:12:50] <jscoder> as long as someone doesnt manage to get your key. and just because you use a key doesn't mean you can't also use a password
5627[23:13:10] <echosystm> DoberMann: but they would need to know the password to login right?
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5629[23:13:23] <DoberMann> no need to set a password for remote (key) ssh login
5630[23:13:27] <echosystm> so as long as it is sufficiently long, i'm all good?
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5632[23:13:31] <peterrooney> sshd has AllowUsers and DenyUsers
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5634[23:13:53] <echosystm> i guess what i'm saying...
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5636[23:14:14] <echosystm> i'm not worried about someone logging into the box over ssh if they know the password
5637[23:14:32] <echosystm> i'm worried about someone being able to remotel access the computer without knowing the password of the autologin user
5638[23:14:46] <peterrooney> echosystm: except you explicitly said the user wouldn't have a password
5639[23:14:50] <echosystm> as in, if i autologin someone on tty1, does that somehow get exposed anywhere
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5641[23:15:07] <echosystm> yeah i know peterrooney, but a few lines above i said i;ll add a password
5642[23:15:19] <echosystm> the autologin thing doesnt care if the user has a password or not
5643[23:15:45] <jscoder> echosystm: you can disable an account if its going to solely use autologin that prevents any actual login from happening
5644[23:15:59] <DoberMann> yes, but is you set a password this will enable the remote password login ability
5645[23:16:04] <n4dir> differnt question would be: from where to where do you ssh? Is it over the internet or in the LAN? How many persons use the LAN? etc ...
5646[23:16:41] <echosystm> ssh is just over lan, but this is all just theoretical; i dont want to shoot myself in the foot with something i dont understand
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5649[23:17:51] <echosystm> hm. ok. here's what i'm thinking. there's two options.
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5651[23:18:09] <n4dir> sure doesn't hurt to make ssh bulletproof no matter what, but if i ssh around here, i for one would think security doesn't come into it (well: not much)
5652[23:18:15] <echosystm> 1. passwordless user with no shell (eg. /bin/false or whatever)
5653[23:18:25] <echosystm> that way no one can ever ssh into it
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5656[23:18:43] <echosystm> 2. user with long password i never remember and no shell (eg. /bin/false)
5657[23:18:48] <echosystm> which is the better option?
5658[23:18:58] <DoberMann> echosystm: not sure you can have an autologin user with /bin/false as a shel ;)
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5660[23:19:10] <echosystm> the autologin thing lets you specify the shell to use
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5662[23:19:19] <echosystm> ie. it overrides whatever is in passwd
5663[23:19:38] <n4dir> perhaps you missed what peterrooney: sshd has AllowUsers and DenyUsers said. If it was me i would do that.
5664[23:20:04] <echosystm> n4dir: i'd like a general solution, not one specific to ssh
5665[23:20:10] <DoberMann> yes, but /bin/false will certainly not allow what you want to do with your autologin tty ;)
5666[23:20:13] <echosystm> could be other services enabled in the future
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5668[23:20:22] <n4dir> though i would use keys too. which seems to solve the problem too. no key, no ssh-login. boom
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5670[23:21:05] <n4dir> well: don't create a passwordless account.
5671[23:21:32] <echosystm> DoberMann: what i mean is i'll specify /bin/bash on autologin, but the user itself will have /bin/false as their shell
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5673[23:21:42] <echosystm> anyway i think #2 is the safest option
5674[23:22:04] <DoberMann> if you don't need a password, don't set it
5675[23:22:57] <DoberMann> unless you override default configuration, remote for non-password acounts is disabled
5676[23:23:08] <DoberMann> except usin ssh key
5677[23:23:38] <echosystm> ok
5678[23:24:53] <DoberMann> you can do your tty/default user shell trick if that works
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5680[23:25:14] <DoberMann> but anyway "security" and autologin stuff does not mix well ;)
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5686[23:29:32] <zykotick9> DoberMann: you'd cringe at my encrypted-lvm with autologin to xorg then <from the do as i say, not as i do - department, i agree with you!>
5687[23:30:22] <DoberMann> =)
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5689[23:30:47] <DoberMann> sometime you need autologin, for instance on mediacenter ;)
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5698[23:34:45] <echosystm> DoberMann: this is a mediacenter :P
5699[23:35:07] <echosystm> i just need a user i can easily log into to download stuff
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5718[23:42:21] <toothe> Is SELinux enabled on Debian?
5719[23:42:27] <toothe> If so, is there a quick and dirty way to turn it off?
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5721[23:42:49] <teraflops> toothe: nope it's not enabled by default
5722[23:43:02] <toothe> okay...then this likely isn't the issue...hm...
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5742[23:53:15] <LazyAngel> I just lost ssh-connection while running "apt-get install". Now I see that process is still running. What do I do so the system doesn't go bananas?
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5745[23:54:15] <nkuttler> LazyAngel: try apt-get -f install
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5749[23:55:22] <zykotick9> LazyAngel: consider using tmux/screen in future perhaps?
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5751[23:57:15] <LazyAngel> looks like it was able to complete the installation in the background. lucky me
5752[23:57:26] <LazyAngel> zykotick9: it was on the LAN, so didn't see that coming
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