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22 [00:03:58] <buddybenj> How do I stop Debian from telling me
that COMRESET failed during boot?
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27 [00:04:45] <buddybenj> Also, when I try to mount my ntfs
drive with permissions, is tells me "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to
access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or
directory"
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32 [00:05:20] <buddybenj> It was my understanding that Debian is
capable of mounting NTFS drives with permission
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36 [00:05:59] <LtL> buddybenj: it is
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40 [00:06:15] <buddybenj> So why is it giving me that error?
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47 [00:07:06] <rattking> buddybenj put " " about that
path I bet the spaces are giving it trouble
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49 [00:07:26] <buddybenj> I have quotes
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53 [00:08:15] <jml2> buddybenj, ""
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56 [00:08:24] <jml2> buddybenj, i can type quotes
57 [00:08:27] <jml2> buddybenj, "type"
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60 [00:08:37] <jml2> buddybenj, or
61 [00:08:49] <jml2> buddybenj, no type... that is the
anti-quote of the day.
62 [00:08:53] <jml2> I say.
63 [00:08:57] <jml2> XD
64 [00:09:30] <buddybenj> jml2: Funniest joke of all time
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67 [00:09:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> buddybenj, better yet, try a
mountpoint without spaces...
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70 [00:10:13] <buddybenj> But Hard Disk Drive is the drives
name.
71 [00:10:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> the error actually suggests
spaces were correct from the mounting
72 [00:10:37] <buddybenj> I don't have a drive without a
space in the name
73 [00:10:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> but they're still likely the
reason something went wrong
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76 [00:11:47] <buddybenj> Also, does anyone know how to make
Debian stop telling me that COMRESET failed during boot.
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81 [00:12:32] * jml2 broked a nail and blames debian
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91 [00:13:34] <buddybenj> Is there anyway to fix write faults on
Debian?
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95 [00:14:10] <jml2> nope
96 [00:14:28] <jml2> check the cable, change kernels?, or update
the bios
97 [00:14:44] <jml2> ^ try those.. other than that it's
outside the control of the software thing
98 [00:14:47] <jml2> zing
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100 [00:14:53] <buddybenj> I swapped the cable and my BIOS is up
to date.
101 [00:15:09] <buddybenj> What do you mean change kernels?
102 [00:15:17] <jml2> maybe try another kernel..
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105 [00:15:27] <jml2> (cross fingers)
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109 [00:16:06] <buddybenj> Well, the only other kernel I have is
Windows, and that can't read ext4 partitions.
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111 [00:16:27] <jml2> buddybenj, maybe lower the speed of
something "bus" in the bios..
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114 [00:16:53] <jml2> buddybenj, you overclocking? (using xmp1600
mgz for ram?)
115 [00:16:57] <buddybenj> But, I shouldn't have to lower
the speed to make it work.
116 [00:17:05] <buddybenj> I am not overclocking.
117 [00:17:24] <buddybenj> So, since there is now way to fix it,
I assume it is a known bug?
118 [00:17:30] <buddybenj> no way*
119 [00:17:30] <jml2> buddybenj, shouldn't, but something
may not be in sync.. you could try to augment 5 seconds to 10, in
the hard-drive pre-delay
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123 [00:18:05] <buddybenj> All right, I'll try that next
time I reboot
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126 [00:18:08] <jml2> buddybenj, "sometimes" this can
help.. though these problems usually means something is flimsy on
the motherboard
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130 [00:18:30] <buddybenj> But my SSD works perfectly, so I
don't think it's the motherboard.
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132 [00:18:33] <jml2> buddybenj, here I had a similar problem...
and just got sick of it, had to ditch the motherboard completely
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135 [00:19:10] <jml2> buddybenj, whatever equivalent... maybe
turn off "fast boot"
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137 [00:19:15] <buddybenj> Has anyone figured out how to fix the
problem with my hard drive not mounting?
138 [00:19:26] <jml2> buddybenj, and turn off
"windows-like" driver features that are not normally
supported in linux
139 [00:19:36] <jml2> buddybenj, or maybe keep that one instead,
as you are using a windows boot
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142 [00:19:58] <jml2> buddybenj, thought you are focusing here
about "booting", what's this got to do with mounting?
143 [00:20:18] <buddybenj> I shouldn't have to turn off fast
boot to make my computer work since it worked before with fast boot
on.
144 [00:20:34] <jml2> buddybenj, well here I've done all
this over the last 10+ years..
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146 [00:20:48] <jml2> buddybenj, I know what has worked for me in
the past.. This is trial-and-error..
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148 [00:20:54] <jml2> buddybenj, sry buddy
149 [00:20:56] <jml2> lol
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debian
151 [00:21:12] <buddybenj> When I mount an NTFS partition, it
tells me "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint
/media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" It
is a separate issue
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153 [00:21:23] <jml2> it's kinda non-debian related issue to
say the least -- just going by what i know
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155 [00:22:04] <buddybenj> The mounting issue or the write fault
issue?
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159 [00:24:04] <buddybenj> all right i'll see what
160 [00:24:09] <buddybenj> I can do in the BIOS
161 [00:24:11] <buddybenj> brb
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176 [00:30:57] <buddybenj> jml2: I didn't see any of the
options you mentioned. And fast boot is already disabled. So, should
I contact my manufacturer for a replacement?
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180 [00:32:06] <jml2> buddybenj, you could try running any of
their diagnostics tools on the Windows platform and run hardware
tests i suppose..
181 [00:32:15] <jml2> buddybenj, it';s possible something
hardware is going bad
182 [00:32:41] <buddybenj> All right I'll contact support.
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185 [00:33:01] <jml2> buddybenj, easier if you download any
diagnostic tools from your laptop manufacturer page and run tests
186 [00:33:14] <buddybenj> Also, do you know how to fix the
mounting issue I was having?
187 [00:33:20] <jml2> buddybenj, if there's drive or memory
failures, then that shoudl be covered by warranty
188 [00:33:41] <buddybenj> I have already tried the diagnostics
tools.
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192 [00:35:18] <buddybenj> Does anyone know how to fix the error:
"ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint
/media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory"
when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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199 [00:37:53] <nickchoice> hi, i am trying to connect to another
debian machine using ssh. it only allows keyfile, and i have the pub
key which is needed. but it gives me this when i try to connect:
Permission denied (publickey).
200 [00:38:15] <jml2> nickchoice, cuse ya didnt specify a key
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202 [00:38:23] <jml2> nickchoice, you use th eprivate key with
the ssh command
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204 [00:38:57] <nickchoice> so not the public but the private?
205 [00:39:03] <buddybenj> How do I make Debian stop telling me
that COMRESET failed?
206 [00:39:19] <jml2> nickchoice, you keep both on your
workstation, but the ssh command at session time needs to have the
private key specified
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209 [00:39:40] <jml2> nickchoice, and of course only the
"public key" needs to be already stored on the server side
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213 [00:40:43] <nickchoice> i am on another computer (my desktop)
and i have the keys (and a successful connection) on my laptop
214 [00:40:54] <nickchoice> jml2^
215 [00:41:00] <buddybenj> Does anyone know how to fix the error:
"ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint
/media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory"
when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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217 [00:41:24] <nickchoice> so i have to send the pub key to the
server! ok
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220 [00:42:46] <jml2> nickchoice, y.. you can use ssh-copid
221 [00:43:02] <nickchoice> will it accept?
222 [00:43:03] <jml2> nickchoice, you can use ssh-copy-id .. and
that'll add the pub key to the server's side of
~/.ssh/authorized_keys2
223 [00:43:04] <nickchoice> ok will try
224 [00:43:13] <nickchoice> nice
225 [00:43:19] <awal1> How to check which xul-ext is making my
Iceweasel run so slow and eating too much cpu without having to
disable the extensions one by one and restart icewesel each time?
226 [00:43:22] <jml2> nickchoice, but the server needs to allow
"password authentcation" in order to use ssh-copy-id
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228 [00:43:44] <nickchoice> ok thank you m8
229 [00:44:10] <awal1> I mean check that in "live", if
I can say taht
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232 [00:44:24] <nickchoice> i have physical access to it, so i
think i will just copy it, it seams easier
233 [00:44:29] <nickchoice> and safer :)
234 [00:44:44] <awal1> Any monitoring tool wable to do similar
stuff?
235 [00:44:52] <awal1> able ^
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237 [00:45:22] <awal1> a tool which can monitor X pid and the
sub-process's
238 [00:45:23] <nickchoice> such as ?
239 [00:46:15] <buddybenj> Does anyone know how to fix the error:
"ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint
/media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory"
when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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242 [00:48:25] <nickchoice> jml2: i just did the ssh-copy-id
anyway, and it did not work: Permission denied (publickey). (is
still a problem, i think i will try alternativly copying the keys)
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245 [00:49:11] <jml2> nickchoice, well if your admin gave you a
priv/pub key pair then you have to use that exaclty.. --- you need
to have a copy of the pubkey in your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the
server side
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247 [00:49:29] <jml2> nickchoice, otherwise it's not
possible to copy it--- ssh-copy-id requires password authentication
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250 [00:50:25] <buddybenj> How do I make Debian stop telling me
that COMRESET failed when I'm booting?
251 [00:50:27] <nickchoice> the pub key is located on the server
now
252 [00:50:32] <jml2> nickchoice, (presumably using a login
password, so password authentication should be enabled, -- manpage
ssh-copy-id)
253 [00:50:42] <nickchoice> i logged in with password after
changing it to yes and back to no again
254 [00:51:05] <nickchoice> still getting Permission denied
(publickey). lol
255 [00:51:06] <buddybenj> Does anyone know how to fix the error:
"ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint
/media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory"
when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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257 [00:51:56] <nickchoice> damn, jml2 the pubkey needs to be
different from the one on the other machine that also has access to
it right?
258 [00:52:26] <buddybenj> How do I make Debian stop telling me
that COMRESET failed when I'm booting?
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260 [00:53:05] <Ormm> buddybenj do some googling instead of just
repeating your questions every 2second
261 [00:53:05] <jml2> buddybenj, you can try to disable ncq with
the grub setting (
replaced-url
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264 [00:53:35] <crayon> how would i ssh using an ascii armored
gpg key?
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266 [00:54:12] <jml2> buddybenj, a long shot, dunno if this still
applies to now kernels -- add 'libata.force=noncq' to the
end of the grub default kernel boot line (/etc/default/grub), and
update-grub<enter>, then reboot
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268 [00:54:34] <buddybenj> jml2: Thanks, I'll try
269 [00:54:49] <jml2> buddybenj, (can also google -> '
"libata.force=noncq" debian kernel ' )
270 [00:55:03] <jml2> buddybenj, (can give some extra search
results)
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272 [00:55:44] <buddybenj> Is there anyway to open gedit as sudo
so I can edit the file.
273 [00:55:51] <buddybenj> Also, without using terminal
274 [00:56:02] <phy1729> sudo -e file
275 [00:56:15] <jml2> buddybenj, you can also use gksudo for
graphical apps :)
276 [00:56:37] <buddybenj> I don't have gksudo.
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278 [00:56:44] <jml2> buddybenj, so install it :)
279 [00:57:00] <jml2> buddybenj, (package gksu)
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283 [00:57:36] * jml2 says mcedit or le are easy cli-candidates for the
command-line
284 [00:57:48] <buddybenj> I still can't open it as root.
285 [00:58:18] <jml2> buddybenj, the first user is by default the
admin
286 [00:58:29] <buddybenj> But it says read only
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289 [00:58:55] <jml2> buddybenj, dunno, maybe you can force it to
"write"
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291 [00:59:04] <buddybenj> It wonn't let me
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296 [00:59:18] <jml2> buddybenj, so then try logging in as root
(maybe -> sudo su -l)
297 [00:59:32] <buddybenj> But I want to do it without using
terminal.
298 [00:59:39] <jml2> buddybenj, then manually use sudo... but if
you're stuck with vi, i'd suggest mcedit
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300 [01:00:09] <buddybenj> But the problem is that it is still
readonly because it isn't running as root
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302 [01:00:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> just use nano as editor
303 [01:01:37] <buddybenj> The editor isn't the issue,
it's that fact that none of them have permission to edit the
file.
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305 [01:01:51] <buddybenj> Why is editing a file so hard?
306 [01:02:04] <buddybenj> This is nonsense.
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309 [01:02:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> because you want to do it Your
Way™
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311 [01:03:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> I can edit hundreds of files a
day and it's not hard at all
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313 [01:03:18] <buddybenj> I just want to edit the file, the Save
button is grayed out though.
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316 [01:03:23] <nickchoice> jml2: i now have made new keys, and
did what you said, but still get the error
317 [01:03:26] <jml2> nano, pico, mcedit, zed, joe, le, i think
are pretty easy to use
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319 [01:03:41] <buddybenj> But the save button is grayed out on
all of them.
320 [01:03:49] <jml2> nickchoice, you're an idiot.. i never
said you had to make new keys :)
321 [01:03:57] <jml2> nickchoice, you just needed to copy the
pubkey to the other side
322 [01:04:00] <nickchoice> ok, lol
323 [01:04:09] <nickchoice> i did
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326 [01:04:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> jml2, pico isn't gpl, so
it's not in debian (anyway, that's why nano exists)
327 [01:04:46] <buddybenj> Does anyone know how to fix the error:
"ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint
/media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory"
when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
328 [01:04:50] <nickchoice> i did after erasing the old key from
the file
329 [01:05:17] <buddybenj> CutMeOwnThroat: Nano isn't
working for me either.
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331 [01:06:44] <buddybenj> How do I make it not read-only? I
don't need Debian to protect me from shooting my own foot. I
should be allowed to modify the file.
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338 [01:08:23] <buddybenj> How do I make Debian stop telling me
that COMRESET failed when I'm booting?
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340 [01:09:01] <jml2> buddybenj, maybe you should grow up
341 [01:09:09] <jml2> buddybenj, and learn how to use a
text-editor
342 [01:09:28] <qmr> shots fired
343 [01:09:43] <jml2> CutMeOwnThroat, pico is here on debian
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345 [01:09:50] <jml2> CutMeOwnThroat, at least when debian first
sets up
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347 [01:10:12] <buddybenj> jml2: Is this not the best Debian
channel for support? If not where is the best channel for support?
348 [01:10:13] <jml2> i suppose that is aliased
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351 [01:10:39] <jml2> yeah it symlinks to nano
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353 [01:10:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> jml2, try ls -Ll /usr/bin/pico
/usr/bin/nano
354 [01:10:51] <jml2> (/etc/alternatives/pico -> symlinks)
355 [01:10:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> (also without the L )
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358 [01:12:05] <jml2> buddybenj, --> "sudo su -l"
<< i told you how to become root. If you can't become
root this way, then you need to boot with a Gparted Live iso or use
the Debian Installer CD/DVD to do "chroot"
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360 [01:12:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> buddybenj, run nano as root...
either with su (run it from the shell you get) or if you have sudo
instead with sudo nano filename
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362 [01:13:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> jml2, right... because nano is
the gpl-rewrite of pico
363 [01:13:05] <buddybenj> I already tried that, but it still
tells me that I can't save my changes.
364 [01:13:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> buddybenj, what file is that
365 [01:13:23] <awal1> How to limite network bandwidth use for
youtube-dl?
366 [01:13:46] <sweettea> qos?
367 [01:13:57] <buddybenj> etc/default/grub
368 [01:14:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, man youtube-dl, search for
limit with /limit
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370 [01:14:33] <jml2> buddybenj, mount |grep ro
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372 [01:14:59] <awal1> CutMeOwnThroat, I was doing search inside
man using bandwith word, I'll try with limit and see
373 [01:15:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> buddybenj, you're missing a
/ there?
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375 [01:15:22] <buddybenj> typing the slash doesn't work in
IRC
376 [01:15:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> /
377 [01:15:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> but ok
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379 [01:15:37] <buddybenj> try typing /etc
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381 [01:15:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> /etc
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383 [01:16:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> (you can escape it by writing
//etc)
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385 [01:16:13] <buddybenj> /etc
386 [01:16:16] <buddybenj> ah ok
387 [01:16:18] <buddybenj> thanks
388 [01:16:32] <awal1> CutMeOwnThroat, ok, thanks. search
'limit' gave me the result (-r, --rate-limit option)
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390 [01:17:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> etc/default/ wouldn't have
existed... so that would have been an easy explanation
391 [01:17:22] <buddybenj> wouldn't have existed if what?
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393 [01:17:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> you cannot write to the file
/asdf/dfdkj/xxx either
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397 [01:18:04] <buddybenj> It does exist
398 [01:18:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> when there is no /asdf/dfdkj
399 [01:18:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes, but that's why I asked
400 [01:18:35] <buddybenj> but there is /etc/default/
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402 [01:19:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> are you using su or sudo for it
403 [01:19:14] <buddybenj> sudo
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406 [01:19:51] <nickchoice> Hi jml2, a restart on the local
machine did the work, thanks for the help and excuse me for
upsetting you. goodnight
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408 [01:20:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> and "sudo id" shows
uid=0(root)
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411 [01:20:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> and what about the "mount |
grep ro" from above
412 [01:20:28] <buddybenj> correct
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414 [01:20:57] <jml2> nickdastain, good! glad I can help :)
415 [01:21:01] <buddybenj> That prints out a ton of stuff
416 [01:21:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah
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418 [01:21:19] <jml2> i was checking to see if "/" was
mounted read-only
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420 [01:21:23] <buddybenj> e.g. proc on /proc type proc
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
421 [01:21:49] <jml2> nickchoice, I meant (and good luck to you
sir!)
422 [01:21:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> try mount | grep ro,
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424 [01:22:10] <buddybenj> I did
425 [01:22:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> with the comma
426 [01:22:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> ops, must sleep.
427 [01:23:00] <buddybenj> /dev/sdb5 on / type ext4
(rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
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429 [01:23:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> that should be ok
430 [01:23:30] <buddybenj> Hoe is this supposed to help me edit
the file?
431 [01:23:41] <buddybenj> how*
432 [01:24:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> find the reason you cannot write,
then fix whatever was the problem?
433 [01:24:21] <buddybenj> Oh ok
434 [01:24:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> but so far there was no obvious
problem
435 [01:24:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> good luck, I need sleep
436 [01:25:00] <buddybenj> All right, thanks anyway
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462 [01:41:47] <guampa> is it possible for auto+dhcp devices in
/etc/network/interfaces to wait in the brackground to be up instead
of blocking the boot process?
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468 [01:44:36] <toruvinn> guampa, im just guessing here that
it's made like this because you may (and probably do) need
working networking for whatever happens later in the boot process
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470 [01:45:28] <toruvinn> guampa, for "secondary"
interfaces you can probably just remove them from "auto"
in network/interfaces and ifup ... & them, dunno, from rc.local?
kinda ugly, but should work. someone here may come up with a better
idea
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474 [01:46:19] <guampa> most probably, but I'm looking for
some override. for now I disabled auto for the interface, and just
bring it up and send it to background in rc.local, and then fire up
what I need for the interface to get its address (a container with
DHCP service)
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476 [01:47:03] <guampa> I could move this to a custom init
script, but before I go there I wanted to find out if there's
an alternative
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478 [01:47:46] <guampa> was there some "concurrent"
boot?
479 [01:48:11] <toruvinn> guampa, i remember that some dhcp
clients used to fork if they didn't get a lease on the first
try. you could, perhaps, use such client in net/interfaces? (for
dhcp intfs you can specify "client XXX")
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483 [01:49:41] <guampa> toruvinn: I will look into that, it might
be useful
484 [01:49:50] <toruvinn> guampa, well, just wait for someone who
has a better idea to wake up here. ;-)
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486 [01:49:56] <guampa> heh
487 [01:50:00] <guampa> thanks
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489 [01:50:21] <toruvinn> i've ran out of mine. you could
probably modify the scripts too, but gotta be careful with that one.
490 [01:50:24] <toruvinn> good luck!
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512 [02:01:39] <jml2> guampa, you can pass scripts to interfaces
using the "manual" and "up" statements in
interfaces
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517 [02:02:44] <guampa> jml2: I'll try that
518 [02:03:28] <guampa> I'll try "manual" and see
if there's a dhcp up script I can copy
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521 [02:03:57] <jml2> guampa, dhcp script?
522 [02:04:59] <guampa> yeah, when you set an interface as
dhcp... but I'm thinking that up/down scripts don't exist
until you make one manually
523 [02:05:01] <jml2> (check dhclient.conf)
524 [02:05:09] <jml2> hein?
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532 [02:08:57] <guampa> I thought the dhcp interfaces were
brought up by scripts under /etc/network, instead of how it actually
is done with ifup
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535 [02:09:35] <jml2> guampa, are you trying to setup dhcpd?
536 [02:09:45] <jml2> guampa, or just setting up the dhcp client?
537 [02:10:12] <jml2> guampa, you can specify dhclient in the up
statement line after setting the interface to static
538 [02:10:33] <jml2> guampa, (you can include dhclient in your
own custom script)
539 [02:10:34] <guampa> oh that could work
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542 [02:11:03] <guampa> I could bring it up with static so the
container can fire up (it depends on that same interface as
it's a bridge)
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544 [02:11:08] <jml2> guampa, are you using anything
"special", otherwise commenting-out "auto
<interface>" -- would mean that NM would handle it
545 [02:11:18] <jml2> guampa, you'd have to blacklist the
interface as well in NM
546 [02:11:30] <jml2> guampa, dunno if you're having NM
loading up
547 [02:11:31] <guampa> the system is nm-less
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549 [02:12:01] <jml2> guampa, you're using a
"bridge" interface?
550 [02:12:08] <jml2> guampa, then you use the bridge stanzas
551 [02:12:15] <jml2> guampa, you'll have to add the package
for it
552 [02:12:35] <jml2> i usppose that would be for
"brctl" -- bridge-utils
553 [02:13:04] <guampa> yes, it all works actually
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555 [02:13:35] <jml2> needless to say and fwiw, openvswitch and
macvtaps are the modern form of bridge interfaces
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557 [02:13:53] <jml2> brctl is imho quite oldschool
558 [02:13:56] <jml2> :)
559 [02:14:28] <guampa> I know, yes I should be using openvswitch
actually, but opted for the classics b/c the rest of the setup is
kinda experimental/complex
560 [02:14:30] <jml2> if all you want to do is talk to a
VM<->host, then you don't need to use more than a basic
tuntap device
561 [02:14:51] <jml2> (man ip-tuntap)
562 [02:14:58] <guampa> everything works now, and at some point I
will use ovs
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566 [02:15:44] <guampa> I need a single broadcast domain for all
VMs and the containers within them, so everything I fire up is
autoconfigured with DHCP/DDNS
567 [02:16:16] <guampa> so far I chain two bridges, one at the
top, physical host, and one at every KVM guest
568 [02:16:34] <guampa> another option is to "mess with
ebtables"
569 [02:16:38] <jml2> but it doesn't isolate traffic good
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571 [02:16:54] <guampa> well for that part probably ebtables is
the best
572 [02:16:59] <jml2> that's why brctl actualyl sux...
you're much better off with ovs!
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574 [02:17:14] <guampa> but as said so far I'm just setting
everything up
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578 [02:17:20] <jml2> still the traffic reaches the
host/hypervisor..
579 [02:17:26] <jml2> with ovs it's much more isolating
580 [02:17:42] <jml2> and you can bridge ovs-ovs on one machine
too
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582 [02:17:51] <guampa> where would you put the DHCP+DDNS in a
structure like this?
583 [02:17:54] <jml2> there's stanzas supported for it as
well
584 [02:18:00] <jml2> simple
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586 [02:18:26] <jml2> set the managed port "br0" on an
ovs bridge, and that can service DHCPD fromt he host if you want
587 [02:18:37] <jml2> or even have DHCPD serviced from another VM
588 [02:18:46] <jml2> there's many ways of doing it
589 [02:19:01] <jml2> the "slave port" doesn't
have to be "eth0"
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591 [02:19:13] <stacks88> ive got a few vms running using KVM. i
am trying to make it so that smtp is blocked on my gusets for
outgoing so they can't send out mail etc. trying to prevent
abuse. so i have ran iptables -I FORWARD -o br0 -p tcp --dport 25 -j
DROP; iptables -I FORWARD -o br0 -p tcp --dport 587 -j DROP -- then
from one of the guests, i ran as a test telnet smtp.sendgrid.net 25
and it still connects/establishes
592 [02:19:14] <stacks88> a connection. Does anyone know what
i'm doing wrong? here is my iptables ruleset:
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593 [02:19:16] <guampa> yeah, sadly I'm at zero on ovs
terminology
594 [02:19:21] <jml2> br0 becomes eth0 when you slave things
595 [02:19:32] <jml2> in a way -- in simple speak
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598 [02:19:50] <jml2> you could make a "dummy"
interface and slave that to a bridge for br0
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600 [02:20:02] <jml2> and that dummy interface can have a host-ip
address
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602 [02:20:11] <jml2> (host meaning the physical machine)
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604 [02:20:16] <guampa> kinda like I have now at the top, a
TAP+bridge
605 [02:20:29] <jml2> guampa, uh huh
606 [02:20:48] <jml2> guampa, but don't you want to isolate
traffic?
607 [02:21:14] <jml2> guampa, the purpose of VMS is to isolate
traffic from the host.. you'd like to protect the hypervisor as
much as possible -- this is why brctl was superceded by ovs
608 [02:21:39] <jml2> guampa, it's also very easy to setup
too
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610 [02:21:57] <guampa> heh, of course, but there's the
catch22, how to have stuff that needs a single broadcast domain and
at the same time break the domains
611 [02:22:08] <guampa> stuff like... DHCP
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614 [02:22:25] <jml2> guampa, here->
replaced-url
615 [02:23:09] <jml2> guampa, are you servicing dhcp over the
wire?
616 [02:23:29] <jml2> guampa, in that condition, you just slave
eth0 to an ovs bridge, ...
617 [02:23:33] <guampa> no, this is all in the same machine and
its VMS
618 [02:23:53] <jml2> guampa, yeah so i mentioned already that
you can also use a dummy interface
619 [02:24:02] <jml2> guampa, (modprobe dummy) :)
620 [02:24:17] <jml2> guampa, you can have more than 1 dummy
interface using module options (/etc/modprobe.d.)
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622 [02:25:00] <jml2> guampa, though if you want to
"attach" such a dummy interface.. I think
"tuntap" should rather be used--- for the host itself,
while the other side is attached to the ovs bridge
623 [02:25:16] <jml2> (you should be able to use a dummy
interface with brctl)
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626 [02:25:37] <jmcnaught> systemd-networkd might be a
lighter-weight alternative to openvswitch
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628 [02:26:01] <guampa> what does it use under the hood?
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632 [02:26:34] <jmcnaught> systemd? it doesn't use brctl or
openvswitch
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634 [02:27:59] <jmcnaught> i don't think networkd is
integrated very much in jessie, but it is there. i've only seen
it spoken about in a debconf15 video and read the man page, i
haven't tried it yet. still using the oldschool techniques
635 [02:28:09] <guampa> at the same time I see ip alone can
create bridges, so no need for brctl there either
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640 [02:30:02] <jml2> guampa, depends on what you mean by bridge
-- there's several of them
641 [02:30:11] <jml2> guampa, (macvtaps in different modes),
veth, ...
642 [02:30:32] <jml2> guampa, macvtaps shuold be supported by
your VM software
643 [02:30:50] <guampa> I avoided macvtap as I read it may
present problems with guest-host traffic
644 [02:30:55] <jml2> guampa, these are advanced and can get
stacked directly on eth0.. but interacting with the machine (Host)
can be done directly
645 [02:31:09] <jml2> guampa, well they're meant for traffic
isolation
646 [02:31:23] <jml2> guampa, you'd need an external router
to do traffic with its eth0 host
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649 [02:32:15] <guampa> this is all very amazing, really. So much
new stuff
650 [02:32:18] <jml2> ->
651 [02:32:24] <jml2> "but interacting with the machine
(Host) can be done directly" << "can't be done
directly"
652 [02:32:26] <jml2> what i meant
653 [02:32:45] <jml2> it's new the last 2 years.. it started
getting stable
654 [02:32:53] <guampa> yeah that's why I avoided it.
Outside the real ethernet there's only a crappy TP-Link router
:p
655 [02:32:54] <jml2> especially macvtaps
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657 [02:33:12] <jml2> also you can do "macvtap
passthrough" -- in which in this mode a macvtap completely hogs
the eth0 interface :)
658 [02:33:22] <jml2> so eth0 is not available for anything else
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662 [02:33:39] <guampa> I will probably leave this as it is until
I can learn all the new combinations and good practices
663 [02:33:51] <jml2> good practice is "ovs" -- not
brctl..
664 [02:33:55] <jml2> trust me :)
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666 [02:34:21] <jml2> once you go ovs, you don't go back..
also if you see things with "vde2" -- it's not as
advanced -- i think vde2 is a dead project
667 [02:34:23] <guampa> yeah, even with all this over my head I
concluded I want to go there before, when I started this project
668 [02:34:57] <guampa> so for now I'll try maybe static+up
in interfaces. But it's really cosmetic as it works with the
rc.local hack and I will move soon to ovs
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670 [02:35:25] <jml2> you'll waste time trying to use
ebtables-- i tried everything you're doing 2 years ago actually
671 [02:35:43] <jml2> even back then i had to compile the latest
ovs because it was still coming out of stable
672 [02:35:52] <guampa> ebtables looks like lots of money on
aspirin
673 [02:36:19] <jml2> i tried ebtables with "bridge"
interfaces to no success -- this was some time ago..
674 [02:36:31] <jml2> i suppose it is "buggy"
675 [02:36:34] <jml2> lol
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678 [02:37:04] <jml2> i let you try to use it.. but you'll
end up with the same issues-- i don't think these projects are
maintained anymore
679 [02:37:30] <guampa> I don't think it's buggy, but
it's too low level and it would require too much effort for the
gain, at least that's how it looks
680 [02:37:43] <jml2> it's now pretty much iproute2 and
forward... it's why some mainstream distros have been even
dropping ifupdown support (not packaging ifconfig)
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682 [02:37:57] <jml2> from my experience ebtables doesn't
work..
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684 [02:38:01] <guampa> well ifconfig should be dead
685 [02:38:38] <jml2> guampa, are you using tuntaps or ..
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689 [02:38:52] <jml2> guampa, something lxc takes
690 [02:39:30] <jml2> (ip tuntap --- but there are others)
691 [02:39:51] <guampa> yeah tuntaps
692 [02:39:58] <guampa> TAP devices
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694 [02:40:02] <jml2> i use ovs+tuntap, i don't know if the
other virt interfaaces connect to ovs
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697 [02:40:35] <jml2> guampa, if you follow that basic tutorial
above (youtube), it can give a basic sense
698 [02:41:08] <guampa> bookmarked :)
699 [02:41:32] <jml2> guampa, when you add ports to an ovs
bridge, it stores things in it's own database --- you might
have issues when you "boot" where there's mismatch
between device nodes and stored interfaces in the ovs db .. I think
this fixed this back a year ago
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701 [02:41:54] <jml2> guampa, but the interfaces defined on
boot-up stilll need to be configured for "up" state or
having an ip address assigned
702 [02:42:19] <jml2> guampa, that's the tricky part
703 [02:42:57] <jml2> guampa, also not documented well, is you
can have an "unassigned ip" address to the managed
"br0" interface and have that set as "manual"
with no ip address.. if all you want is VM<->VM communication
without involving the host
704 [02:43:05] <guampa> ovs may smooth things by removing all the
old bridging, but I still will have to think around the circular
dependence on the "first" KVM guest that hosts the
(essential) DHCP+DDNS container
705 [02:43:22] <guampa> it's mostly so it registers in DDNS
706 [02:43:47] <jml2> guampa, btw the "iptables" or
anything firewall (on the hypervisor) does not have any effect
between OVS tuntaps on its bridge..
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708 [02:44:04] <guampa> and also, every other container,
potentially inside other KVM guests, should have broadcast access to
the DHCP
709 [02:44:08] <jml2> guampa, as opposode to brctl, it could.
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711 [02:44:24] <jml2> guampa, this what makes the ovs bridge
traffic very isolated
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713 [02:44:40] <guampa> maybe I could set up two networks, one
being a single broadcast space, very limited to only DHCP
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717 [02:45:06] <jml2> ovs can co-exists with brctl interfaces on
the same system -- but of course don't mix the two on the same
system
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719 [02:46:06] <jml2> guampa, let me guess you're using
"eth0" for the host..
720 [02:46:09] <jml2> guampa, :)
721 [02:46:21] <jml2> guampa, you'll still get arp traffic
sweeping directly onto the wire..
722 [02:46:23] <guampa> the real host?
723 [02:46:31] <jml2> guampa, for your bridge
724 [02:46:36] <jml2> guampa, host<->vms
725 [02:46:44] <guampa> no, at the real host the bridge includes
just a TAP
726 [02:46:50] <jml2> guampa, ok
727 [02:47:08] <jml2> guampa, and you're using that as the
main bridge device?
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729 [02:47:21] <jml2> guampa, i suppose that might cause
problems.. so that's why i mentioned the dummy interfaces
730 [02:47:39] <jml2> guampa, it's been awhile since i used
brctl..
731 [02:47:41] <guampa> then all the KVM eths are in the bridge
and (lel) again bridged to the LXC's eths
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733 [02:48:04] <jml2> guampa, but if you're using that
tuntap for the "host", you can't use it for a VM
734 [02:48:11] <jml2> guampa, i suppose you know this
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736 [02:48:29] <jml2> guampa, wait sorry
737 [02:48:33] <jml2> guampa, i take that back
738 [02:48:35] <guampa> no, the TAP is there only so the bridge
has anything (other than the real ethernet) to work
739 [02:48:38] <jml2> guampa, you should be able to ..
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741 [02:48:44] <jml2> guampa, but I mean in "network"
fashion..
742 [02:49:22] <jml2> guampa, you'd have to somehow bind
that interface to meetup with the VMs tuntaps
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744 [02:49:51] <guampa> yeah, I bridge them into the same br0
745 [02:50:03] <guampa> that's standard libvirt
746 [02:50:19] <jml2> guampa, you can also do this->>>
vethA-vethB (assign host IP address on vethA) ,, and then throw
Macvtaps on top of vethB
747 [02:50:22] <jml2> ^ :)
748 [02:50:42] <jml2> guampa, this way you can have macvtaps talk
to the physical host :)
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751 [02:50:52] <guampa> that's another option I considered
(and another option I don't quite fully understand)
752 [02:51:01] <jml2> it's actually easy to setup
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754 [02:51:15] <guampa> but isn't ovs better than that in
terms of simplicity and perf?
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756 [02:51:37] <jml2> the macvtaps cannot talk to anything of an
ip-address set on vethB
757 [02:51:47] <guampa> OTOH, I'm targeting stuff that
integrates OOTB with libvirt/virt-manager
758 [02:51:51] <jml2> (vethA-vethB) is one device... but is
special
759 [02:51:56] <jml2> it's called a veth-pair
760 [02:52:18] <jml2> you can actually have ip addresses (2
different ones) on each end of a veth..
761 [02:52:33] <guampa> one side of the veth pair is at the guest
and the other at the host?
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764 [02:52:45] <jml2> you just leave vethB without any
ipaddress... but when you bring the "link up" on either
end, both vethA and vethB come up at the same time
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766 [02:53:11] <jml2> guampa, actually no.. doesn['t work
like that.. because VM software can only use tap devices..
767 [02:53:19] <jml2> guampa, macvtap is a type of tap device..
768 [02:53:31] <jml2> guampa, macvtaps can be attached to vethB..
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770 [02:54:12] <jml2> jml2, but in this setup.. you don't
set any ip address on Vethb... just leave it as a link alone that
goes up
771 [02:54:46] <jml2> jml2, you can then throw- > tcpdump -i
vethb -n
772 [02:55:19] <guampa> however I think ovs is a better choice,
it has more abilities such as cross host
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774 [02:55:29] <jml2> jml2, ovs is industry supported
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778 [02:56:11] <guampa> I would be better learning that in the
first place I think
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781 [02:56:59] <jml2> macvtaps are imho also industry supported
-- redhat is behind it
782 [02:58:02] <jml2> easiest setup is to use a dummy device then
smack macvtaps in "mode bridge"
783 [02:58:17] <jml2> if you later want to "route"
traffic from say "dummy0" to eth0, that can be done as
well
784 [02:58:29] <jml2> (even then use NAT on the eth0 interface
for the dummy0 network)
785 [02:58:47] <guampa> just allow forwarding and voila
786 [02:58:55] <jml2> (mode bridge for "macvtaps" means
the macvtaps can talk directly with one another)
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789 [02:59:22] <guampa> so each 1st level KVM would have its
macvtap
790 [02:59:31] <jml2> recall i mentioned "passthrough"
791 [02:59:34] <guampa> and all of them would be bridged to the
dummy at the host
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793 [03:00:11] <jml2> the dummy interface is the underlying
bridge device itself
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795 [03:00:32] <jml2> it becomes a bridge when you add macvtaps
on it... it's self-hosting bridge solution
796 [03:00:40] <guampa> ah so it's like my TAP+bridge only
better
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798 [03:00:58] <jml2> yeah it's kinda efficient too because
it's directly supported with the kernel
799 [03:01:19] <jml2> i mean the linux kernel project keeps
getting innovations with redhat's updates on it
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801 [03:01:41] <jml2> (be sure you're not on kernel 3.2 ---
something more above 3.16++)
802 [03:01:55] <jml2> i have a remove system that uses this
803 [03:01:55] <guampa> and in the KVMs <-> LXCs I would
keep using plain old bridges?
804 [03:02:00] <jml2> i can pull out some commands
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807 [03:02:27] <guampa> I think LXC doesn't support all this
new stuff
808 [03:02:56] <jml2> eg, ip link add name vethA index 50 type
veth peer name veth10nwb index 51 , the index numbers are also
optional
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813 [03:03:14] <jml2> (so it could be -> ip link add name
vethA type veth peer name veth10nwb)
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815 [03:03:37] <jml2> (ip link add name vethA type veth peer name
vethB)
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819 [03:04:11] <jml2> then add a macvtap -> ip link add link
vethB name mymacvtap type macvtap mode bridge
820 [03:04:30] <jml2> or if in private mode for the macvtap ->
> ip link add link vethB name mymacvtap type macvtap mode private
821 [03:04:37] <jml2> and that's all there is to it
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825 [03:05:07] <jml2> from therte you can use "ip
address" to set an ip address for vethA, and see if the ip link
for vethB went up -> ip -d link show (-d would say the type of
veth device you're viewing)
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828 [03:05:44] <jml2> .. and another thing.. is you might need to
set a "mac address" to match the exact mac address as
inside the VM.. dunno if this was a bug back 2 years ago.. but
it's what i kept in my settings
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830 [03:06:07] <jml2> if the mac-address ever changes inside the
VM (mac spoofing) the macvtap drive won't let traffic through
on the hypervisor side
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832 [03:06:34] <jml2> guampa, that'll catch you offguard..
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834 [03:07:37] <jml2> also ensure the macvtaps are up on the host
side --- optionally you can iirc even set an " ip address on
the macvtap" on the host side.. so that if the "ip
address" in the VM is different then no traffic would go
through << dunno if i'm right on this one
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837 [03:07:43] <guampa> with so much new stuff I expect to
encounter a few gotchas yep
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840 [03:08:11] <jml2> guampa, here this is not well documented
because i dont use anything virtsh.. i use all bash+scripts..
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842 [03:08:54] <guampa> yeah, that's one thing thal in
principle will limit the scope. I like managing everything from the
same window
843 [03:09:01] <jml2> guampa, so if you want to use qemu things
and expect /dev/tap<number> <<< you can't
determine the index number unless you know you just created it... so
this is why i use "index" number for the "ip"
macvtap creation line
844 [03:09:55] <jml2> guampa, -- not well documented here is
->> you use the FD (filedescriptor) on the qemu line...
845 [03:09:59] <jml2> guampa, (macvtaps)
846 [03:10:24] <guampa> are you working with virtualization jml2?
847 [03:10:32] <jml2> guampa, there's many ways of isolating
traffic.. but i think going bash+scripts is very tedius
848 [03:10:44] <jml2> guampa, i work here for my own vms..
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851 [03:11:09] <jml2> guampa, reason why i went this route is
because the gui interfaces don't support optimized options
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854 [03:11:19] <jml2> guampa, redhat was adding/fixing stuff up
on their releases
855 [03:11:31] <guampa> true enough, but it's getting better
with the time
856 [03:11:59] <guampa> virt-manager has improved since I been
using it
857 [03:12:03] <jml2> guampa, also ovs got better the last 2
years.. "port mirroring" was broken.. I use this for a
NIDS vm
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859 [03:12:50] <guampa> one of the first issues with ovs was
performance, I guess it was a stopper for adoption
860 [03:13:11] <guampa> then they kinda eliminated the problems
861 [03:13:19] <jml2> guampa, you can't do
"monitoring" with brctl ... this means lets say you want
to "clone" traffic all to one tuntap... but have
"zero" traffic ever able to come out of the tuntap -- this
is what mirroring does on the hypervisor/ovs side.. The internal VM
has snort listening on that interface.. Any "attack" even
against snort can never leave the interface due to ovs/mirroring
restriction
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863 [03:14:03] <jml2> guampa, you can also "set" what
interfaces on an ovs bridge you want cloned.. as well as direction
-- but you can only have 1 mirror port per ovs bridge
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865 [03:14:25] <jml2> guampa, as well as ipfix/netflow metering
features of ovs..
866 [03:14:45] <jml2> guampa, ovs directly can create metering
flows to a particular port on an ovs bridge..
867 [03:15:09] <jml2> guampa, now you see why i said brctl is
obsolete :)
868 [03:15:12] <jml2> tehehe
869 [03:15:13] <guampa> hahaha
870 [03:15:39] <guampa> it looks precambric compared to this
871 [03:15:47] <jml2> these are are all just 1-line commands to
initiate from the ovs/host side..
872 [03:16:22] <jml2> however the mirroringport command is tricky
that needs a look-up on the web for how to do.. it actually is 3 or
4 statements, but it can be summed into 1
873 [03:16:45] <jml2> it has it's own "--"
aggregator to make it 1 line.. but it is still a bit tricky
874 [03:17:18] <jml2> i'm not even using it's most
advanced features (control planes) -- but i am using these specific
features on one host
875 [03:17:52] <jml2> gtg... bb
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877 [03:17:56] <guampa> well. I'm sold
878 [03:17:57] * jml2 needs to catch somethin
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880 [03:18:04] <guampa> what can I say :p
881 [03:18:12] <guampa> thanks a lot man
882 [03:18:20] <jml2> np :))
883 [03:18:24] <jml2> good luck!
884 [03:18:25] <guampa> amazing info and help
885 [03:18:28] <jml2> yw
886 [03:18:30] <jml2> :)
887 [03:18:33] <guampa> you too, bye
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903 [03:24:44] <Thraul> An update has broken samba. The server
now wont start after upgrading packages...grrrr
904 [03:24:53] <Thraul> *service
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911 [03:26:32] <dvs> Samba works for me after a whole lot of
wrestling.
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913 [03:26:44] <Thraul> how did you get it to work?
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916 [03:27:01] <dvs> Thraul, fixing through aptitude
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919 [03:27:13] <dvs> "aptitude -f install"
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922 [03:27:54] <Thraul> dpkg: error processing package samba
(--configure): didn't work
923 [03:27:54] <dpkg> thraul: That isn't an error, post the
whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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928 [03:29:21] <Thraul>
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934 [03:32:06] <dvs> Thraul, sorry, I don't use systemd.
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999 [04:05:30] <un214> How do I get X out of 640x480
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1001 [04:05:41] <un214> I'm on a console IRC right now as X
is completely unusable
1002 [04:05:46] <un214> so I can't follow links
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1004 [04:06:25] <jmcnaught> un214: can you put your
/var/log/Xorg.0.log on
replaced-url
1005 [04:06:28] <jmcnaught> !pastebinit
1006 [04:06:28] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send
data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
users, you must "pastebinit -b
replaced-url
1007 [04:06:50] <un214> I'm pretty sure I know what happened
1008 [04:06:58] <un214> a dumb program switched X to 640x480 and
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1011 [04:07:08] <un214> and kde remembered the setting
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1013 [04:08:45] <jmcnaught> un214: if you think that's it, go
back into KDE and use the settings application to change the
resolution again. I think KDE uses the common "Alt+Space"
shortcut to get the window title menu that has a move window option
which might help if a dialogue is too large to fit on the screen
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1015 [04:09:05] <un214> pastebined as
replaced-url
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1018 [04:10:19] <markybob> un214 can we get you lspci -nn
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1020 [04:11:00] <un214> no point -- jmcnaught had the right answer
1021 [04:11:28] <jmcnaught> un214: back to normal then? your
Xorg.0.log didn't really have any errors in it
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1023 [04:11:44] <un214> yup I called it kde remembered the setting
change by the dumb application
1024 [04:13:00] <un214> quite to my surprise it was actually
usable
1025 [04:13:14] <un214> If I had the high-dpi monitor plugged in
at the time it wouldn't have been
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1028 [04:14:34] <jmcnaught> un214: i seem to recall kwin having
some per-application settings for fullscreen applications that might
be useful. i think my roommate uses them to get KSP to play nice
with this desktop
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1035 [04:17:03] <un214> jmcnaught looking
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1041 [04:19:56] <un214> I don't suppose there's a way to
just tell it "don't save the desktop resolution"
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1044 [04:23:06] <jmcnaught> un214: maybe? i stopped using KDE
because there were too many options
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1062 [04:25:26] <un214> Well I don't want to transition not
because kde is good or bad but because the modern accessability
themes are badly broken
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1064 [04:25:32] <un214> and I can't figure out how to export
mine
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1069 [04:25:50] <un214> The place I got it from doesn't exist
anymore
1070 [04:25:54] <jmcnaught> un214: i'm not suggesting you
migrate, i just am not that familiar with KDE anymore
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1082 [04:26:17] <un214> *shrug*
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1109 [04:38:20] <Akuw> i need to install ruby 1.9 in jessie, but
sudo aptitude search show 1.8
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1114 [04:41:03] <TomTomTosch> Akuw: which debian version?
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1116 [04:41:10] <Akuw> jessie
1117 [04:41:13] <jmcnaught> Akuw: what does "apt-cache policy
ruby" say?
1118 [04:41:27] <cynicallemon> Akuw, should be 2.1.5
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1120 [04:43:03] <Akuw> Candidate: 1:2.1.5+deb8u1
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1122 [04:44:20] <jmcnaught> Akuw: ruby is dependency package that
on jessie depends on ruby2.1
1123 [04:44:38] <Akuw> then
1124 [04:45:24] <jmcnaught> Akuw: if you're having trouble,
put the command and full output on
replaced-url
1125 [04:46:29] <TomTomTosch> whatever you want to run does not
work with 2.1 ?
1126 [04:47:25] <Akuw> look ---> A ruby1.8 - Interpreter of
object-oriented scripting language Ruby 1.8
1127 [04:47:41] <Akuw> is currently installee
1128 [04:47:45] <Akuw> installed
1129 [04:47:57] <Akuw> i used aptitude search
1130 [04:48:54] <TomTomTosch> ruby1.8 is not in jessie. did you
get that from somewhere else?
1131 [04:49:05] <jmcnaught> Akuw: then you'll need to show
your sources.list and source.list.d/*.list
1132 [04:50:00] <Akuw> wait
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1134 [04:50:05] <jmcnaught> Akuw: and the output of
"apt-cache policy ruby1.8" would be helpful, the complete
output not just one line
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1141 [04:52:31] <catbeard>
replaced-url
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1144 [04:55:21] <Akuw>
replaced-url
1145 [04:57:48] <dvs> Akuw, no output for "apt-cache policty
ruby1.8"?
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1147 [04:58:39] <markybob> Akuw: i'm not sure any of us
really think you're using jessie. or debian.
1148 [04:58:51] <Akuw> Installed: 1.8.7.358-7.1+deb7u2
1149 [04:59:26] <Akuw> Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
1150 [04:59:38] <Akuw> i just made dist-upgrade
1151 [04:59:41] <jmcnaught> Akuw: it looks like maybe you did a
partial upgrade from wheezy to jessie. Did you follow the
instructions in the Jessie release notes? Anyways good luck,
you're kinda difficult to help when you don't provide all
the information we ask for
1152 [04:59:41] <markybob> those two things don't go toger
1153 [05:00:14] <markybob> together*
1154 [05:00:26] <Akuw> i did upgrade from wheezy to jessie
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1156 [05:00:41] <markybob> aparently not properly
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1160 [05:01:30] <jmcnaught> Akuw: it looks like the upgrade was
not completed. The best thing to do is review the instructions in
the release notes and see what you missed:
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1161 [05:01:49] <Akuw> x86
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1392 [05:52:39] <simonlnu> !listkeys switcheroo
1393 [05:52:41] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'switcheroo' by
key returned no results.
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1399 [05:54:12] * simonlnu is trying to have dual head with hdmi output
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1403 [05:55:04] <simonlnu> even configured xorg instead of leaving
the auto-config (which works wonderfully) do it
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1410 [05:56:49] <stian_> hi, anyone here that could tell me how to
"free" my wlan card from the tight grip of the system?
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1412 [05:57:43] <TomTomTosch> stian_: if you tell us what that
means, maybe.
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1416 [05:58:50] <jmcnaught> simonlnu: do you have two video cards?
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1430 [06:06:18] <stian_> TomTomTosch: I have no idea myself, all
comandline comands I type tell me wlan0 is bussy. the wireless
manager in kde is not letting go of it and the buildup of this new
kde is too windowslike to find out how its connected.
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1503 [06:47:28] <stian_> been fighting for an hour to kill the
"networkmanager" in debian 8 on kde desktop. The plasmoid
show it is named networkmanager, but I can not find any such process
running
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1816 [08:25:27] <MisterGadfly> I've tried some solutions I
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1872 [08:53:48] <Lope> kerframil on #linux claims that this
command doesn't start a new screen and type 'ls
(enter)', under any circumstances. But it works for me. Can
someone else confirm please?
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1875 [08:53:56] <Lope> screen -mdS test && screen -S test
-X stuff 'ls^M'
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1908 [08:59:15] <TomTomTosch> what is stuff supposed to do?
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1922 [09:01:17] <Lope> creates a new detached screen called test
then types ls enter inside it.
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1926 [09:02:35] <TomTomTosch> no, the word stuff.
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1973 [09:06:35] <STMelon> *hub relay leaf /silence +*!*@*
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1999 [09:11:36] <TomTomTosch> Lope: i mean, it does create a
detached screen session.
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2002 [09:14:12] <Lope> Okay I can confirm basically on screen 4.00
that command doesn't work, but on 4.01 and newer, it works.
2003 [09:14:24] <Lope> (pre wheezy)
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2066 [09:39:54] <Grant_P> Hi All, using systemd with a
PreExecStart defined but it requires root/sudo to run the script.
Any ideas how to achieve this one?
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2197 [10:25:45] <zigurat>
replaced-url
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2211 [10:33:16] <jml2> zigurat, a look?
2212 [10:33:20] <jml2> zigurat, for what?
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2214 [10:33:57] <zigurat> For why it might be down
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2216 [10:34:54] <RoyK^Heime> looks like it's reinstalled or
something
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2232 [10:38:41] <jml2> zigurat, you can google "manpage of
<>" and it'll display the correct page most of the
time
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2234 [10:39:04] <zigurat> No. I tried that and ended in a lot of
trouble once
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2237 [10:39:16] <zigurat> I prefer the official release man page
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2242 [10:40:33] <jml2> zigurat, you can install man2html and run
it locally from localhost
2243 [10:40:42] <jml2> zigurat, most linux manpages are unchanged
2244 [10:40:54] <zigurat> Ok thanks for the help
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2268 [10:45:19] <jml2> most manpages come with their debian
packages -- though some of them like "pulseaudio" are
missing ...
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2271 [10:45:39] <jml2> dunno why debian has them out, I think I
filed on this to the pulseaudio maintainers
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2273 [10:45:45] <jml2> zigurat, also..
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2277 [10:46:28] <jml2> zigurat, if you happen to know, the
"mandb" is scheduled after a certain time -- if you just
installed a package, the manpage cache is not updated right away --
to speedy this up a little, you can type "mandb" as root,
and the new manpages will then be available right away
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2285 [10:47:18] <hever> Interesting problem: Can I have some kind
of special listener which listens on /paht/to/listener and allows to
open dynamically files like /path/to/listener/DOMAIN1
/path/to/listener/DOMAIN2 and so on? After all if I'm opening
as file /path/to/listener/DOMAIN1 and write stuff to it, this should
be redirected to syslog or I want to do something on my own in a
script... I'm not sure if this is possible under linux perhaps
with file based sockets ???
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2299 [10:52:10] <jml2> hever, look into logstash with the file
module
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2301 [10:52:21] <jml2> hever, you can do anything with logstash --
but i don't think its packaged
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2364 [11:29:07] <b0s3d> when i go to a site it shows me a warning,
and i can't connect to vpn because of ssl problems, what is
this?
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2538 [12:17:24] <cHawk> I am getting a dell precision
laptop/workstation. It comes with hybrid graphics and I can choose
between AMD Fire Pro or Nvidia Optimus. Hardware performance aside,
which one should I get to have less headache?
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2540 [12:17:50] <cHawk> Sorry, Nvidia Quattro is the correct name
of the Graphics Card
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2566 [12:29:27] <ksx4system> cHawk: I would pick AMD and not the
Quadro
2567 [12:29:38] <cHawk> ksx4system, why?
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2570 [12:30:11] <ksx4system> because there's some chance
it'll work on open source drivers
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2572 [12:30:42] <ksx4system> (but I'm not sure if hybrid
graphics support open source drivers)
2573 [12:30:54] <cHawk> ksx4system, even it being a second card
and only used for specific programs linke nvidia-bumblebee?
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2579 [12:31:37] <ksx4system> cHawk: I don't know :(
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2583 [12:32:08] <ksx4system> anyway, for single or dual (but not
hybrid, just two graphics units at once) I always pick AMD
2584 [12:32:12] <H4ndy> Does anyone has a *nice* explaination of
the new systemd startup files, how they are constructed and what to
check?
2585 [12:32:23] <H4ndy> I only find those highly technical
documents
2586 [12:32:38] <H4ndy> or "copy this and be good"
things
2587 [12:33:02] <ksx4system> H4ndy: ...and you've probably
found that it's completely broken :) it might be easier (and
it'll surely be better) to migrate back to sysvinit
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2589 [12:33:58] <H4ndy> not really, I kinda like systemd, the old
init.d scripts are not the holy grail either
2590 [12:34:26] <H4ndy> problem about getting some good info on it
is that those two system are so horribly biased by their users :(
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2596 [12:35:09] <cHawk> H4ndy, systemd is trying to do everything
and that's b asically not what linux is all about. Linux is
about every tool doing one job best
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2600 [12:35:25] <ksx4system> H4ndy: it is biased because some
people (users of sysvinit or anything sane) just don't want
malware on their systems and some people just don't care
2601 [12:35:30] <cHawk> H4ndy, that principle splits systemd
people from the rest
2602 [12:35:37] <cHawk> hahaha :D
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replaced-url
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2673 [13:14:16] <Slimmy> hello. I am using openshot but whenever I
save a project the .osp icon is huge, a lot bigger than the rest of
the icons in a folder. How can I shrink it?
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2695 [13:30:21] <Nitori> what does "DI" and
"alpha5" in
"debian-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-netinst.iso" stand for?
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2698 [13:31:03] <Nitori> oh, alpha5 is just some sort of version?
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2702 [13:31:37] <jkt> hi there; I'm using an arm chroot on an
amd64 jessie for installing various packages while preparing an
image for beaglebone black. I've noticed that some packages
really want to perform various actions, for example php5-fpm
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2707 [13:31:56] <jkt> "Restarting PHP5 FastCGI Process
Manager: php5-fpm/sbin/start-stop-daemon: nothing in /proc - not
mounted?"
2708 [13:32:20] <jkt> is there a systemwide override for this?
"please install that package, but don't attempt to start
it"
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2713 [13:34:10] <jelly> dpkg, tell jkt about policy-rc.d
2714 [13:34:56] <jkt> jelly: thanks; I'm coming from RHEL
which is apparently different in this context; thanks for a helpful
link!
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2758 [13:52:32] <_KaszpiR_> E: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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instances behind cloudfront for Sydney region
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2814 [14:19:27] <shann__> hi
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2833 [14:27:39] <cauliflooower> Hi
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2836 [14:28:01] <cauliflooower> What's good about Debian Sid
besides you get the latest packages?
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2852 [14:29:37] <altyr> you can help bugtesting
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2893 [14:34:03] <cauliflooower> altyr, Other than that?
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2895 [14:34:17] <cauliflooower> altyr, I've only used Sid for
a while.
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2897 [14:34:30] <cauliflooower> Well it was for the purpose of
testing out Freedombox
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2902 [14:34:50] <cauliflooower> But that only lasted like half a
day. Got frustrated lol.
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2904 [14:35:05] <cauliflooower> But I noticed like all of what I
was using was latest
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2906 [14:35:35] <cauliflooower> Does Debian Sid contain
proprietary parts or software by default?
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2908 [14:35:47] <cauliflooower> Does Sid crash too?
2909 [14:35:48] <cauliflooower> Like a lot?
2910 [14:35:52] <petn-randall> cauliflooower: Only if you enable
it, it's the same as stable.
2911 [14:36:01] <cauliflooower> AH
2912 [14:36:03] <shann__> Hi, my source package containt hyphen
(1.3.2-81), what is best convention for package naming with this ?
2913 [14:36:15] <cauliflooower> petan, Would you say it's
perfect for home users?
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2916 [14:36:29] <cauliflooower> Damn I was using stable for a long
time, not knowing that stable is perfect for servers lol.
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2920 [14:36:47] <cauliflooower> So that's why I left stable
and went to other distros haha
2921 [14:36:52] <altyr> cauliflooower: if you want the new
packages without using sid just use testing
2922 [14:37:04] <petn-randall> cauliflooower: Everything in sid is
pretty much has only been tested very little, so you get all the
bugs to report.
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2926 [14:37:12] <cauliflooower> petan, Ah
2927 [14:37:17] <cauliflooower> Ah
2928 [14:37:18] <petn-randall> cauliflooower: petn<tab>
2929 [14:37:22] <cauliflooower> Hehe
2930 [14:37:25] <teraflops> Heh
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2932 [14:37:46] <cauliflooower> With testing, you get not really
the latest packages but it's been tested?
2933 [14:37:55] <cauliflooower> Also, testing is the next stable
right?
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2938 [14:38:45] <petn-randall> cauliflooower: Testing will become
the next stable. It roughly lags 5 days behind sid at the moment.
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2941 [14:38:52] <cauliflooower> Ah
2942 [14:38:59] <cauliflooower> Not too bad.
2943 [14:39:19] <petn-randall> cauliflooower: At some point there
will be a freeze, where no new packages are introduced from sid.
Then after several months all the bugs are kinked out and it becomes
stable.
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2945 [14:40:02] <cauliflooower> Ah
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2950 [14:40:32] <cauliflooower> Got it
2951 [14:40:35] <cauliflooower> Thanks for that info!
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2954 [14:41:49] <dewp> hey guys. i installed stretch on my old
dell e6500 and try to install network. the device fka eth0 enp0s25
is in ifconfig. do i have to set it up in /network/interfaces or do
i have to use eth0 here?
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2959 [14:44:00] <teraflops> Enp0s25 obviously
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2961 [14:44:25] <petn-randall> dewp: support for testing is in
#debian-next on OFTC.
2962 [14:44:27] <dewp> ok. then my mistake is somewhere else
because neither is doing what i want :)
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2972 [14:47:21] <teraflops> dewp: wait. I misread you say you have
eth0 and enp0s25? Also fka is a typo?
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2977 [14:48:14] <dewp> no :) i only have enp0s25. it was formerly
known as (=fka) eth0
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2979 [14:48:28] <dewp> on my device at least
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2982 [14:48:55] <kolibri> Hello. I'm using a preseed.cfg file
for an unattended debian 8.4 installation (with packer). Sometimes
(it feels like the half of the builds), the installation process
fails at the step "select and install software". And I got
no idea, why. This is my preseed.cfg file:
replaced-url
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2984 [14:49:04] <dewp> but now i just recognized it's missing
dns - ping to the router works
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2986 [14:49:49] <dewp> i'll get this when reading the manual
i think
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2988 [14:50:08] <teraflops> dewp: if you can ping e.g 8.8.8.8 look
at /etc/resolv.conf
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2991 [14:50:40] <dewp> ah. there we go. it's empty :)
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2993 [14:50:42] <dewp> thanks!
2994 [14:50:48] <teraflops> Np
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3036 [15:06:32] <dewp> you guys are working too hard. stretch
works flawlessly :-)
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3084 [15:27:22] <Grant_P> How do i make systemd run a service as
root?
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3088 [15:28:17] <placko> I want to learn to program android
application. Are there development tools in debian to compile
android app?
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3094 [15:32:47] <abrotman> placko: Not in Debian I don't
think, other than IDEs
3095 [15:32:59] <abrotman> placko: such as Android Studio or
whatever it's called isn't in Debian that I recall
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3107 [15:39:54] <devster31> hi, any way to read dhcp information
my router is sending out?
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3109 [15:41:38] <rozie> devster31: what information do you look
for?
3110 [15:41:47] <rozie> in general: any sniffer will be OK
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3119 [15:43:16] <kolibri_> Heyylo. I got more information on my
failing unattended install of debian 8.4: Ist fails at the
"cleanup" step of "select and install software".
Log says,: "failed to fetch
replaced-url
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3127 [15:45:30] <rozie> kolibri_: it may be failing repository you
are redirected to
3128 [15:45:55] <rozie> try to use manually selected mirror, not
httpredir
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3134 [15:48:33] <kolibri_> Thanks rozie. I'll try this. (To
be sure, I do this with the `d-i mirror/http/hostname` statement in
the preseed.cfg?)
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3144 [15:52:25] <devster31> rozie: I'm not an expert in this
thing and I want to understand it better, in particular I want to
know which DNS servers are sent in the dhcp packet and if the client
broadcasts its hostname
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3175 [16:02:53] <r0ck_> on debian standard install GNOME classic =
gnome2 or gnome 3?
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3180 [16:03:31] <babilen> r0ck_: Gnome 2 has been deprecated for
quite a while and is not available in current distributions
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3186 [16:04:39] <r0ck_> babilen: so when I login choosing gnome
classic its just same gnome3, but different look?
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3192 [16:06:30] <babilen> yea
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3194 [16:06:57] <r0ck_> okay
3195 [16:07:00] <r0ck_> thanks!
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3197 [16:07:07] <r0ck_> is there a way to add programs to upper
panel?
3198 [16:07:12] <r0ck_> shortcuts I mean?
3199 [16:07:18] <r0ck_> on gnome classic or gnome3?
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3255 [16:27:54] <rmrfchik> hi, suddenly can't mount usb disk
with "You are not physically logged in and your system
administrator does not allow remote users to run pmount,
aborting".
3256 [16:28:00] <rmrfchik> and yes, I'm logged
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3263 [16:29:51] <rozie> devster31: dump to file with
tshark/tcpdump, use wireshark to view
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3266 [16:31:33] <wewlad> hello debs, I can't login to my DE
after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that
might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but
the problem persists), please help a newb
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3268 [16:31:45] <devster31> ok, but I need to renew leases and
listen during that timeframe right? also does wireshark work as a
cli utility? rozie
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3276 [16:35:25] <dagerik> why am I unable to install aspell-no
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3279 [16:38:45] <jelly> dpkg, tell dagerik about basic apt
troubleshooting
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3286 [16:40:48] <wewlad> hello debs, I can't login to my DE
after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that
might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but
the problem persists), please help a newb
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3291 [16:42:26] <martaroza> Hi, i buy this device
replaced-url
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3301 [16:44:40] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: posting /var/log/Xorg.0.log
would be helpful. also, which graphics driver do you use?
3302 [16:44:41] <dagerik> sudo apt-get install aspell-no
3303 [16:44:41] <dagerik> Package aspell-no is not available, but
is referred to by another package.
3304 [16:44:52] <dagerik> im on testing
3305 [16:46:01] <martaroza> Hi, anyone?
3306 [16:46:19] <martaroza> i buy this device
replaced-url
3307 [16:46:23] <ksk> hello martaroza, dont ask to ask, kust ask
your question :)
3308 [16:46:39] <martaroza> my question is: i buy this device
replaced-url
3309 [16:46:44] <themill> dagerik: the package is not in testing
at the moment
3310 [16:46:57] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: that's a VM in
virtualbox, so I'm not sure about the graphics, as for
Xorg.0.log:
replaced-url
3311 [16:47:00] <jelly> martaroza: do you see an usb audio device
in "aplay -l" output?
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3315 [16:48:41] <martaroza> jelly:
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3319 [16:49:20] <martaroza>
replaced-url
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3323 [16:50:30] <martaroza> probably not see
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3329 [16:51:54] <wewlad> martaroza: once on this channel I was
advised not to you pastebin.com, but to use paste.debian.net or
alike, because they don't inject crap and don't limit
access to users
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3332 [16:52:57] <stantona> I'm curious, what does the bpo70+1
mean in: #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1 (2016-03-07)?
3333 [16:53:07] <stantona> I'm assuming it's related to
backports, but what exactly does it mean?
3334 [16:53:39] <martaroza> wewlad:
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3341 [16:55:53] <ksk> stantona: that this kernel comes from
backports, the rest ist just version scheme definde $somewhere
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3344 [16:56:32] <ksk> IIRC "debian only" changes, like
changes that dont "come from upstream" will get a
+$(something) version
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3351 [16:57:29] <ksk> does not look too official, but best docs I
found right now:
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3356 [16:58:55] <abrotman> dpkg: compare versions
3357 [16:58:55] <dpkg> The canonical way to test whether one
version string is considered greater than another is by testing an
assertion such as «dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1
&& echo true». See also
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3359 [16:59:27] <ksk> martaroza:
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3369 [17:04:17] <jelly> martaroza: third audio card looks like an
usb audio device.
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3371 [17:04:29] <wewlad> martaroza: why do you 'sudo
su'? why not just 'su'?
3372 [17:05:05] <jelly> martaroza: at this point you need to
configure your recording application to choose the correct audio
card and the correct input source (microphone on that specific card)
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3377 [17:06:38] <wewlad> hello debs, I can't login to my DE
after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that
might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but
the problem persists), please help a newb. Xorg.0.log:
replaced-url
3378 [17:06:48] <wewlad> jelly, please, help
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3382 [17:07:58] <jelly> sorry, no time Toulouse right now
3383 [17:08:15] <wewlad> :'-(
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3387 [17:09:03] <bshacklett> Is there any way to get more verbose
output on what's happening when a package is being removed?
I'm trying to purge a package and it just hangs until I kill
the dpkg process.
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3519 [17:17:33] <wewlad> what's going on?
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3538 [17:18:29] <wewlad> hello debs, I can't login to my DE
using my user after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some
other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did
undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb.
Xorg.0.log:
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3937 [17:35:54] <cluelessperson> Question, how do you access the
system wide crontab?
3938 [17:36:04] <cluelessperson> sudo crontab -e doesn't do
it.
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3941 [17:36:12] <greycat> /etc/crontab exists, and root *also* has
a personal crontab
3942 [17:36:29] <cluelessperson> greycat, that's confusing.
3943 [17:36:36] <greycat> I didn't choose it.
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3947 [17:36:46] <cluelessperson> greycat, Thanks :)
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3950 [17:36:54] <wewlad> should there be a ~/.bashrc file?
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3952 [17:37:07] <wewlad> seems like it doesn't get recreated
after I removed it
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3955 [17:37:14] <greycat> Generally, yes. It's created if you
use "adduser", from the template in /etc/skel/.
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3960 [17:37:27] <greycat> Um, if you removed it, then no, it
wouldn't be re-created.
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3980 [17:40:37] <wewlad> thanks, did so but that didn't solve
the problem
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3982 [17:40:50] <greycat> What problem? Did what?
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3989 [17:41:46] <wewlad> hello debs, I can't login to my DE
using my user after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some
other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did
undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb.
Xorg.0.log:
replaced-url
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3992 [17:42:01] <wewlad> just some more info: I got into that
trouble after doing 3 things: 1. I tried to add ssh-agent to autorun
[failed to do that because someone advised to use .systemd for that
and I just failed to make it work] 2. I tuned .bashrc, but since I
wanted to tune it once for all users - I might have removed local
copy of .bashrc, 3. I did apt-get upgrade
3993 [17:42:48] <greycat> Well, for starters, .bashrc has
absolutely nothing to do with KDE startup.
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3996 [17:43:01] <wewlad> seems so
3997 [17:43:04] <greycat> Logging in via kdm into a KDE session
doesn't read or even check for the existence of .bashrc.
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3999 [17:43:29] <wewlad> still was worth checking, since I
don't have any other ideas
4000 [17:43:30] <greycat> Or any other shell startup file
(/etc/profile, .bash_profile, and so on).
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4005 [17:44:10] <greycat> If you wanted the equivalent of
"get my old config out of the way" you'd need to look
for something like ~/.kde (I don't know the exact names)
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4009 [17:44:28] <greycat> You can also test with a brand new
account, freshly created for testing.
4010 [17:44:31] <wewlad> that's not the issue I'd like
to solve now
4011 [17:44:41] <wewlad> for now I'd like to make logging
into kde work
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4021 [17:48:17] <wewlad> greycat: logging via new user worked
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4023 [17:48:25] <wewlad> as well as it works using root user
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4027 [17:48:52] <greycat> Then that does point toward something
screwy in your KDE config.
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4030 [17:49:20] <greycat> I don't know where that is stored,
exactly. Could be a file or dir beginning with .k or it could be in
~/.config/ or ...
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4038 [17:51:06] <ChrisWi> seeing this in my syslog
'iscsi_trgt: scsi_cmnd_start(949) 39000060 0' ... any idea
if this is bad ?
4039 [17:51:06] <wewlad> stupid terminal in debian - I can't
scroll it up :/
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4047 [17:53:39] <wewlad> (process:2788): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable
to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission
denied. dconf will not work properly.
4048 [17:53:42] <wewlad> what does it mean?
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4053 [17:55:39] <greycat> If you get that for ALL users, it
probably means you need to reboot into the correct kernel... if
it's just you, it means time to start ls -l'ing or
something and find out what's wrong.
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4074 [18:02:36] <jhutchins_wk> ChrisWi: That could just be
informational. I like to have smartmontools installed and enabled,
it gives you good warnings if there are disk problems.
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4076 [18:03:16] <jhutchins_wk> wewlad: It probably means
you've done something as root in your GUI.
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4078 [18:03:38] <jhutchins_wk> wewlad: The permissions on parts of
your account are messed up.
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4080 [18:03:49] <jhutchins_wk> s/permissions/ownership/
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4082 [18:04:20] <wewlad> okay, so I did this:
replaced-url
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4084 [18:04:41] <wewlad> why did I get those errors?
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4086 [18:04:46] <RoyK> dangling symlinks
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4088 [18:04:53] <wewlad> >:[
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4090 [18:05:09] <RoyK> nothing to worry about - just remove them
4091 [18:05:26] <ChrisWi> jhutchins_wk: these messages came up (on
my old squeeze box) while adding wheezy iscsi targets ... after
removing them the messages are gone ... BTW smartmon is installed
and everything is fine with disks
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4098 [18:08:36] <wewlad> so I removed those symlinks, everything
in /home/uzer is owned by that user now, but I still can't log
in to kde
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4103 [18:09:32] <wewlad> greycat: where else do I need to check
ownership/mod?
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4106 [18:10:40] <greycat> I don't know this dconf and KDE
stuff. If you can't figure it out by poking around in /run then
maybe consider rebooting. /run is a volatile thing.
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4150 [18:15:28] <jhutchins_wk> ChrisWi: Ah, I missed the i in
iscsi.
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4154 [18:16:09] <jhutchins_wk> ChrisWi: Pretty sure that message
is informational. Is the mount working?
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4157 [18:17:21] <NotJimCa1rey> in Makefile, what's the
difference between $(prefix) and ${prefix} ?
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4160 [18:17:37] <NotJimCa1rey> if any
4161 [18:17:38] <greycat> $(prefix) is expanded by make, and
${prefix} is passed along to a shell
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4163 [18:17:46] <greycat> I think.
4164 [18:17:52] <greycat> Ask ##workingset to be sure.
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4173 [18:19:24] <zz> Hi, whats the best way to update kernel?
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4176 [18:19:52] <greycat> Why do you believe you need to update
your kernel?
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4179 [18:20:30] <zz> I would like to install docker, but I need
kernal 3.10 minimum
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4181 [18:20:46] <greycat> Jessie has higher than that. Make sure
you are on the latest release of Debian (jessie, Debian 8).
4182 [18:20:55] <NotJimCa1rey> easiest way? apt-get dist-upgrade
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4184 [18:21:18] <greycat> There's a bit more to it than that.
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4186 [18:22:14] <zz> I have debian 8
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4188 [18:22:21] <greycat> zz: what does uname -a say?
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4190 [18:22:41] <zz> Linux carbon 2.6.32-042stab104.1 #1 SMP Thu
Jan 29 12:58:41 MSK 2015 x86_64 GNU/
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4192 [18:22:50] <greycat> Oh, you're in an OpenVZ VPS
container.
4193 [18:22:50] <NotJimCa1rey> greycat: making some modifications,
and was told to change $(prefix)/var , but in the original,
it's shown using {}
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4197 [18:22:58] <NotJimCa1rey> but did ask in ##workingset
4198 [18:23:01] <greycat> You can't update your kernel
because it's out of your control entirely.
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4200 [18:23:04] <NotJimCa1rey> waiting for response
4201 [18:23:05] <NotJimCa1rey> thanks
4202 [18:23:09] <zz> oh, is it
4203 [18:23:10] <zz> damn
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4205 [18:23:36] <greycat> I also seriously doubt you can run a
container thingy inside an OpenVZ container, but hey, what do I know
about this stuff... nothing.
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4210 [18:24:26] <Dexxtver> hello
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4213 [18:24:39] <Dexxtver> so i have a vps
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4219 [18:25:20] <Dexxtver> and i would like to encrypt whole hdd
and make a trigger that will shutdown the machine if provider of
that vps will make any kind of thing locally (physically) with vm
4220 [18:25:24] <Dexxtver> is it possible?
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4231 [18:27:39] <wewlad> no
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4235 [18:28:22] <Dexxtver> so there is a way to not trigger even a
keyboard or mouse movement and automatically shutdown the vm?
4236 [18:28:36] <wewlad> maximum you can do is use zfs
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4238 [18:28:47] <Dexxtver> zfs? what would it give me?
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4240 [18:29:00] <wewlad> encryption of your file system
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4242 [18:29:03] <Dexxtver> i need to prevent anyone to view plain
text files on that machine
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4246 [18:29:22] <Dexxtver> i can encrypt whole hdd with debian
tools on ext4
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4248 [18:29:30] <wewlad> ok
4249 [18:29:40] <Dexxtver> dm crypt or luks
4250 [18:29:45] <wewlad> sorry, I'm a newb, wait until
someone else replies
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4255 [18:30:00] <Dexxtver> 'but i need that trigger thing to
shutdown the system to ensure that admin won't get to it
4256 [18:30:17] <Dexxtver> after the shutdown i will reinstall
everything
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4270 [18:33:27] <ChrisWi> jhutchins_wk: yes ... the mount is
working ... so you don't think these message are cause by
problems ... background: I want to migrate all storage which is
currently on squeeze to wheezy ...
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4272 [18:33:36] <ijafin3> CHEAP DOMAINS CHEAP SERVERS DDOS
PROTECTION
replaced-url
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4276 [18:33:41] <ijafin3> CHEAP DOMAINS CHEAP SERVERS DDOS
PROTECTION
replaced-url
4277 [18:33:47] <ijafin3> CHEAP DOMAINS CHEAP SERVERS DDOS
PROTECTION
replaced-url
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4281 [18:34:29] <wewlad> ijafin3: awesome
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4289 [18:35:48] <ijafin3> CHEAP DOMAINS CHEAP SERVERS DDOS
PROTECTION
replaced-url
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4329 [18:45:58] <chele> Hi guys,why would be the reason about
this:
replaced-url
4330 [18:46:20] <chele> im trying to create dvd to iso
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4337 [18:47:55] <thurstylark> chele: can you mount that to a
different dir? /mnt or something you create?
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4343 [18:48:38] <chele> thurstylark: no
4344 [18:48:51] <chele> same answer as in the paste
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4347 [18:49:32] <b0s3d> hi, how do i add an entering ip and a
exiting ip, ssh > ISP ip > VPN ip
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4349 [18:49:46] <b0s3d> can you call it a backdoor for hippies?
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4353 [18:50:43] <gnoman> Hey guys, is Neep bitmap font in the
debian repositories?
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4362 [18:52:34] <bumbar> my virtualbox with debian as guest
crashed, and now weird stuff is happening; when i try to open a file
in python or run apt-get update i get "read only file
system" error, and i can't change terminal size or
preferences
4363 [18:52:43] <bumbar> is there a way to fix this without
reinstalling?
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4369 [18:53:57] <gnoman> bumbar: Did you check your fstab?
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4372 [18:54:35] <gnoman> bumbar: Debian netinst has a rescue mode;
you could chroot into your system and try...
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4376 [18:56:37] <bumbar> gnoman, fstab looks ok from what i can
tell
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4378 [18:57:27] <greycat> Without knowing any details,
"read-only after a crash" often means some file system
needs an fsck.
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4380 [18:58:04] <gnoman> greycat: Doesn't systemd do fsck on
boot?
4381 [18:58:16] <greycat> One would expect so, but....
4382 [18:59:00] <gnoman> It does on my netbook with 8.4, but
it's btrfs and not ext2/3/4...
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4386 [18:59:22] <greycat> If one of your file systems is mounted
RO, fsck it.
4387 [18:59:31] <greycat> Then probably reboot just for good
measure.
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4391 [19:00:23] <wewlad> what's this?
replaced-url
4392 [19:00:56] <gnoman> bumbar: netinst rescue mode helped me
many times in such situation... You might try it out...
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4419 [19:08:25] <wewlad> who and when usually creates a home dir
for a new user?
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4424 [19:08:45] <wewlad> I just did useradd newuser and it
didn't create a home dir for that user
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4428 [19:09:02] <abrotman> pelase use adduser like a sane person
4429 [19:09:05] <greycat> I bet you mis-remember, and you
accidentally did useradd instead.
4430 [19:09:05] <abrotman> please also
4431 [19:09:26] <greycat> Oh. He did type useradd in the question.
Sorry.
4432 [19:09:52] <greycat> 11:37 greycat> Generally, yes.
It's created if you use "adduser", from the template
in /etc/skel/.
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4438 [19:10:02] <greycat> That was to wewlad, wasn't it?
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4442 [19:10:39] <abrotman> yes
4443 [19:10:53] <gnoman> useradd -d HOME_DIR
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4445 [19:11:07] <greycat> adduser
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4447 [19:11:19] <abrotman> just use adduser like a sane person!
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4450 [19:11:45] <bumbar> greycat, i'm trying that now.
it's asking me for root file system but i'm not sure where
i installed it
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4453 [19:12:19] <greycat> ...?
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4455 [19:12:32] <greycat> Use "mount" to see what is
mounted, and which of those are read-only and shouldn't be.
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4463 [19:14:15] <gnoman> Add an lsblk to that to get device node
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4466 [19:15:26] <greycat> mount shows the device. "/dev/sda2
on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)"
4467 [19:15:49] <gnoman> OK...
4468 [19:15:52] <greycat> you might even want something like mount
| grep ^/dev to filter out the non-devices
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4470 [19:16:13] <grawity> findmnt!
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4472 [19:16:24] <grawity> greycat: I guess the comment might have
been about systems where it shows "/dev/root on /"
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4493 [19:19:10] <bumbar_> says /dev/sda1 on / type ext4
(rw,relatime,data=ordered)
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4498 [19:19:49] <greycat> I don't understand why it
doesn't have errors=remount-ro, but other than that, that looks
reasonable
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4505 [19:20:19] <greycat> The (rw at the front means it's
currently mounted read-write.
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4743 [19:28:24] <ebinebin> Also! Anyone have ANY LUCK getting
Validity Sensors fingerprint scanner working with Linux?
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4746 [19:28:41] <ebinebin> Anyone have ANY LUCK getting Validity
Sensors fingerprint scanner working with Linux?
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4751 [19:28:53] <wewlad> how to run some gui file manager (like
dolphin) with root privileges and how to make file operations in it
not modify mod/owner?
4752 [19:29:06] <ebinebin> wewlad, one or the other.
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4754 [19:29:14] <ebinebin> wewlad, launch it with Sudo
4755 [19:29:23] <ebinebin> or be the root user when you do
4756 [19:29:36] <RoyK> (or just use the commandline)
4757 [19:29:40] <wewlad> :(
4758 [19:29:43] <wewlad> ok, thx
4759 [19:29:44] <ebinebin> grawity, Any luck with fingerprint
sensors in linux?
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4761 [19:30:05] <ebinebin> Bus 003 Device 003: ID 138a:003c
Validity Sensors, Inc. VFS471 Fingerprint Reader
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4765 [19:30:33] <grawity> I don't have any of those on my
laptops
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4770 [19:31:12] <ebinebin> boo :(
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4773 [19:31:21] <ebinebin> grawity, also why don't you want
me swearing at your bot :p
4774 [19:31:28] <ebinebin> ALSO! How did you get a cluenet shell?!
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4776 [19:31:47] <ebinebin> I thought only people employed by the
wikimedia foundation got those
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4780 [19:31:58] <grawity> no, it's not a wikimedia project
4781 [19:32:05] <ebinebin> oh
4782 [19:32:13] <grawity> unlike the (now-defunct) Toolserver
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4784 [19:32:17] <ebinebin> grawity, but no swearing at bots? :(
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4805 [19:34:24] <ebinebin> grawity, fuck.
4806 [19:34:30] <ebinebin> There is a driver but for OpenSuse
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4838 [19:38:19] <ebinebin> So
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4843 [19:39:02] <wewlad> how to copy files properly in the
following case? I need to ignore all links (symlinks, hardlinks,
whateverlinks) and I need to preserve maximum attributes
(timestamps, permissions and owner). I tried to 'man cp'
and got confused, I tried to google 'man cp' and got some
childporn
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4846 [19:39:25] <ebinebin> wewlad, you might want to purge your
machine now.
4847 [19:39:27] <greycat> wewlad: you should be starting with
rsync, not cp
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4852 [19:39:44] <greycat> Why would you google "man cp"
instead of just typing "man cp"?
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4855 [19:39:56] <greycat> (or, as I suggested, "man
rsync")
4856 [19:39:59] <ericandrewlewis> If I'm dual booting osx and
debian, is GRUB required to bootload debian?
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4858 [19:40:13] <wewlad> greycat: <…I tried to 'man
cp' and got confused,…>
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4871 [19:40:48] <ebinebin> ericandrewlewis, yes
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4873 [19:41:02] <ebinebin> As it turns out my sensor might be able
to be fudged into working with Linux
4874 [19:41:05] <ebinebin> a lot of fudging
4875 [19:41:06] <greycat> Completely ignoring all symlinks is a
strange thing to want to do, but ... meh. Ask #rsync if you
can't find an option for it in the man page.
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4882 [19:42:04] <wewlad> oh cheezuschrist, rsync's man is
even more confusing
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4888 [19:42:29] <grawity> what do you mean by "ignore all
links" by the way
4889 [19:42:37] <grawity> do you want them to not appear on the
destination *at all*
4890 [19:42:46] <grawity> or do you want rsync to create identical
symlinks on the destination
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4892 [19:42:52] <wewlad> not create at all
4893 [19:42:53] <grawity> or do you want rsync to copy them as
plain files?
4894 [19:42:55] <ericandrewlewis> does GRUB work well as a boot
manager for osx?
4895 [19:42:57] <greycat> If no existing tool has an option to
skip all symlinks, you can probably duct tape something together
with find . ! -type l ...
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4898 [19:43:22] <wewlad> I wish there were no links, since
there's no visual representation of what file is a link and
what is not
4899 [19:43:30] <greycat> What are you TALKING ABOUT?
4900 [19:43:34] <somiaj> ericandrewlewis: it can, but with efi you
don't really need a boot manager.
4901 [19:43:40] <bazhang> wewlad, here too?
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4903 [19:43:43] <grawity> there *is* a very distinct represenation
of symlinks...
4904 [19:43:44] <greycat> Why do you not want to simply DUPLICATE
the entire hierarchy as is?
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4906 [19:43:52] <grawity> and a less-noticeable one of hardlinks
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4910 [19:44:00] <greycat> Hell, fuck it. rsync -a, and then remove
all symlinks with a find command. DONE!
4911 [19:44:02] <ericandrewlewis> somiaj: why wouldn't I need
a boot manager?
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4915 [19:44:13] <wewlad> greycat: because that reproduces the
problem
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4918 [19:44:18] <greycat> What problem?
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4920 [19:44:36] <wewlad> the one I initially came here with and on
which you said 'I don't have time to waste now'
4921 [19:44:37] <somiaj> ericandrewlewis: efi can boot different
oses directly. So you just need the .efi file for each os you want
to boot and not need an additional boot manager (at least with the
efi impleminations I'm use to using)
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4928 [19:45:18] <somiaj> ericandrewlewis: i.e. you can have grub
for debian and osX efi boot files seperate and not have to chain
load anymore (though I'm unsure if macs let you have this much
control over efi, some require you use BOOT64.efi as the only efi
file, in that case you'll probabaly have to use grub
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4930 [19:45:35] <bazhang> wewlad, how many channels have you hit
this with so far
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4932 [19:45:47] <wewlad> bazhang: two
4933 [19:45:53] <somiaj> ericandrewlewis: many still use grub and
grub will work fine, just saying that efi can take a role of the
bootmanager in a dual boot system (provided it is full efi, macs
seem to sometimes do their own thing)
4934 [19:45:55] <wewlad> since the problem is in between kde and
debian
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4939 [19:46:17] <wewlad> bazhang: by the way, are you chinese?
4940 [19:46:19] <bazhang> no its not
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4946 [19:46:28] <wewlad> ok
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4950 [19:46:40] <greycat> Wait. WHAT?! He is trying to duplicate a
hierarchy but strip out symlinks to FIX A KDE LOGIN ISSUE?!
4951 [19:46:50] <wewlad> yes
4952 [19:46:55] <bazhang> it's about not paying attention to
what others are saying
4953 [19:47:05] <greycat> Instead of just finding the kde configs
and moving them out of the way?
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4956 [19:47:23] <ericandrewlewis> somiaj: that's good to
know. So how would you choose which OS to boot when using EFI-based
boot management?
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4960 [19:47:53] <grawity> EFI firmware are supposed to have a boot
menu much like grub's
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4963 [19:48:08] <wewlad> greycat: who said the problem is just in
kde configs?
4964 [19:48:09] <grawity> unfortunately, editing the kernel
command line is a pain in the ass in most of them
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4966 [19:48:23] <grawity> so you might still want grub or
systemd-boot for that feature
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4973 [19:48:51] <greycat> wewlad: If you move the kde config
dir/file/whatever aside and that fixes the problem, then you win. If
it doesn't fix the problem, then you have more information
about where the problem is(n't).
4974 [19:49:03] <wewlad> greycat: what if it doesn't?
4975 [19:49:06] <greycat> And it costs you very little time to try
it.
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4977 [19:49:23] <wewlad> then what? another snapshot reload and
starting the whole process again?
4978 [19:49:36] <wewlad> screw that, I'm tired of that
already, I just want my important files
4979 [19:49:37] <greycat> Snapshot? What? WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
4980 [19:49:39] <ericandrewlewis> I also read from the rEFInd
maintainer "Apple ignores or subverts large parts of the EFI
specification on its Intel Macintoshes"
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4982 [19:49:55] <wewlad> you never heard of snapshots?
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4986 [19:50:02] <ericandrewlewis> "The EFI System Partition
is empty and unused, and the EFI boot manager is obscured by an
Apple boot loader that is executed before it"
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4988 [19:50:05] <greycat> You're the KDE user, not me. You
should know where the fucking kde configs are. mv it to some other
name and try to login .
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4990 [19:50:19] <greycat> Why are you making everything so fucking
hard?
4991 [19:50:29] <wewlad> greycat: who said that removing just kde
configs will solve the issue?
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4993 [19:50:36] <greycat> TRY IT AND FIND OUT
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4995 [19:51:02] <greycat> I didn't say "remove". I
said "move". So you can easily move it back after the
test.
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4997 [19:51:31] <wewlad> I don't need them anyways
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4999 [19:51:40] <wewlad> I just think that the reason is elsewhere
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5001 [19:51:59] <wewlad> since linux is a blackbox for me,
there's a lot of cram in my home dir that I didn't create
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5004 [19:52:35] <wewlad> like what the fuck is .dbus? not that
I'd like to know but it's sitting there and error logs
said that DBUS didn't start when I had the problem
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5008 [19:53:27] <greycat> Did you track down the errors in
/var/run/whatever/user/1000 that you reported earlier? Did you fix
those?
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5010 [19:53:36] <wewlad> it's easier to save (by moving them
to the new user's home dir) the files I know, rather than all
that crap without .kde part of it
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5016 [19:54:01] <wewlad> greycat: how would I track them down?
what am, a linus motherfucking torwards?
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5019 [19:54:21] <bazhang> wewlad, you are not paying attention,
and just guessing what to do
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5025 [19:54:38] <wewlad> I just removed the old user, moved
it's home dir and created a new user with the same name and it
solved the problem
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5028 [19:54:49] <greycat> 11:55 greycat> If you get that for
ALL users, it probably means you need to reboot into the correct
kernel... if it's just you, it means time to start ls
-l'ing or something and find out what's wrong.
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5031 [19:55:17] <wewlad> greycat: it was just for that user
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5033 [19:55:34] <greycat> 12:10 greycat> I don't know this
dconf and KDE stuff. If you can't figure it out by poking
around in /run then maybe consider rebooting. /run is a volatile
thing.
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5035 [19:55:47] <wewlad> I did tell you that I chowned the whole
content of user's home dir to make sure that user owns
everything there
5036 [19:55:50] <wewlad> and that didn't help
5037 [19:56:08] <greycat> Well, that's good, because why the
fuck was that not already the case, but I was talking about
/var/run.
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5042 [19:56:27] <wewlad> guys on #kde said that I might want to go
on witch-hunting and ls -l everything, but that's just the
rambo way and no sane person would do this
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5044 [19:56:51] <wewlad> I don't know what /var/run is, I
never touched it
5045 [19:56:53] <greycat> You had an ACTUAL PATH in your error
message@!\
5046 [19:57:02] <wewlad> so what?
5047 [19:57:04] <greycat> What, god, why, who, what..
5048 [19:57:09] <greycat> START WITH THE FUCKING PATH IN THE ERROR
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5052 [19:57:27] <polyzen> !rage
5053 [19:57:33] <wewlad> it was
'/run/user/1000/dconf/user'
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5055 [19:57:36] <wewlad> not /var/run
5056 [19:57:39] <greycat> 11:53 wewlad> (process:2788):
dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file
'/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will
not work properly.
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5059 [19:57:57] <greycat> ls -ld /run/user/1000/dconf/user
/run/user/1000/dconf /run/user/1000
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5062 [19:58:06] <wewlad> I didn't even treat it as a path in
fs, I thought it's another some imagine crap filesystem like
/proc/
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5065 [19:58:12] <greycat> IT IS!
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5067 [19:58:23] <greycat> That's why rebooting would be the
stupid-but-easy fix!!
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5070 [19:58:30] <grawity> which mostly translates "you ran
KDE via sudo and your /run/user/1000 ended up being owned by
root"
5071 [19:58:30] <greycat> That's what I meant by
"it's a volatile thing"!
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5075 [19:59:04] <wewlad> greycat: so I ls -ld'ed it,
it's -rw---------, wut next?
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5077 [19:59:12] <greycat> wewlad: Look at the OWNER.
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5079 [19:59:17] <wewlad> uzer
5080 [19:59:23] <wewlad> wut next?
5081 [19:59:25] <greycat> For all three things I said to use?
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5083 [19:59:47] <wewlad> hold on, I'll load the snapshot with
the problem
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5085 [19:59:52] <greycat> ...
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5087 [20:00:12] <greycat> So, he lied when he said just now that
it was 600 uzer. WONDERFUL.
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5091 [20:00:26] <wewlad> no, I just removed old uzer and created
new uzer
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5093 [20:00:36] <wewlad> so maybe it affected those files
5094 [20:00:38] <greycat> *headdesk*
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5099 [20:00:52] <greycat> I give up. I'm just going to
/ignore so I don't have a stroke.
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5104 [20:01:01] <bazhang> full reinstall
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5106 [20:01:08] <wewlad> wut?
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5109 [20:01:18] <bazhang> who knows what else he/she has done
5110 [20:01:21] <thurstylark> nuke and pave!
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5114 [20:01:30] <wewlad> did I just lost all my fucking progress I
did to fix the issue so that you'd ignore me on halfway?
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5116 [20:01:45] <bazhang> stop cursing wewlad
5117 [20:02:03] <greycat> "Hey I got an error about
permissions denied on /run/user/1000/dconf/user and someone told me
to ls -l so I'll ... MAKE A SNAPSHOT AND DELETE THE USER AND
...."
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5125 [20:04:10] <debUser1980> greycat you got really titan-metal
nerves :)
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5131 [20:05:04] <debUser1980> triple-facepalm.jpg
5132 [20:05:10] <wewlad> wtf
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5135 [20:05:35] <wewlad> that /run/user/1000 thing disappears
after some period
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5137 [20:05:42] <wewlad> so I can't ls -ld it
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5142 [20:06:36] <grawity> it disappears when user 1000 logs out
5143 [20:06:51] <wewlad> no, it disappears after some time
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5145 [20:06:54] <wewlad> after the log out
5146 [20:06:57] <wewlad> probably
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5148 [20:07:48] <wewlad> I can't login via DM, I logged in
via terminal, but then there's no 'dconf' in
…/1000/
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5150 [20:07:54] <wewlad> only systemd
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5153 [20:08:35] <wewlad> so what there am I supposed to check
permissions of?
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5159 [20:09:27] <wewlad> greycat: hey
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5163 [20:10:13] <teraflop> dpkg: ping
5164 [20:10:13] <dpkg> Sorry teraflop, you're not online.
5165 [20:10:18] <grawity> so log in via DM and *then* check /run
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5171 [20:11:07] <wewlad> grawity: I can't do that fast enough
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5174 [20:11:32] <grawity> why
5175 [20:11:36] <wewlad> as you may or may not know, the problem
is that I can't login via DM: it logs me out
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5177 [20:11:44] <wewlad> and that's the problem I'm
trying to solve
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5179 [20:11:46] <grawity> it doesn't log you out from the
terminal though, or does it
5180 [20:11:52] <wewlad> it doesn't
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5183 [20:12:07] <wewlad> but as I said - then there's no
/1000/dconf/
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5185 [20:12:16] <wewlad> there's only 1000/systemd/
5186 [20:13:10] <grawity> so.... log in via terminal, log in via
DM, go back to the terminal?
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5188 [20:14:18] <wewlad> ok, this time I was quick enough and
succeeded
5189 [20:14:28] <wewlad> owner is correct, not sure about
permissions
5190 [20:14:36] <wewlad> since I don't know what correct
permissions are
5191 [20:14:42] <s4ndm4n> I am trying to do full disk encryption
on UEFI system but I am getting "cryptsetup: WARNING: Invalid
line in /etc/crypttab for sda2_crypt"
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5194 [20:15:17] <wewlad> grawity: 1000/dconf/ - drwx------;
1000/dconf/uzer - -rw-------
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5196 [20:15:38] <s4ndm4n> On /etc/crypttab, there is single entry
which reads as "vg-root /dev/sda2 none luks"
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5198 [20:15:49] <grawity> there's no "quick enough"
about it. it won't delete /run/user/1000 as long as it's
logged in *anywhere*
5199 [20:16:00] <grawity> and, well, the "rwx" nonsense
is not the problem
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5201 [20:16:15] <wewlad> grawity: it doesn't delete
/run/user/1000, it deletes /run/user/1000/dconf
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5204 [20:17:02] <wewlad> weird, this time it didn't delete
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5208 [20:17:53] <dutchfish> hi, i have a problem with updating
openssh with latest dsa fixes on stable. Somehow insserv is missing
LSB tags overrides? see my output
replaced-url
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5210 [20:17:53] <wewlad> oh, maybe because I was logged in as uzer
but then entered 'su' mode and in the last test I also
logged in as uzer on another terminal
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5212 [20:18:17] <wewlad> bazhang: hey, do you have anything
helpful to tell now?
5213 [20:18:21] <belak> Is there a channel to ask about debian
packaging? I'm having some issues with debuild
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5223 [20:19:27] <greycat> dutchfish: why are you asking aptitude
to REMOVE insserv?
5224 [20:19:53] <dutchfish> greycat, i assumed i dont need it, but
apprently i was wrong
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5227 [20:20:04] <greycat> All I see is one "warning".
Why not just let the safe-upgrade go?
5228 [20:20:18] <dutchfish> greycat, as you can see i did
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5230 [20:20:40] <greycat> Oh, it did go. I, uh, don't see an
actual problem.
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5232 [20:21:14] <greycat> The warning is coming from the init
script in the package "realtime", not even related to
openssh.
5233 [20:21:15] <dutchfish> greycat, well, whats wrong with that
lsb warning, why do i need insserv anyway. It has been installed as
dep
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5236 [20:21:32] <dutchfish> greycat, ah ic
5237 [20:21:36] <greycat> It's used by sysvinit (fallback for
packages that are not updated for systemd yet).
5238 [20:21:42] * wewlad shouldn't have listened to the cat man and
should've keep things as they were
5239 [20:22:11] <dutchfish> greycat, thanks, i will delve into it
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5241 [20:22:50] <bazhang> wewlad, there was nothing wrong that he
offered
5242 [20:23:24] <wewlad> bazhang: he did offer to do further
investigation and halfway there he just ragequited from the
conversation
5243 [20:23:37] <bazhang> no he didnt
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5250 [20:24:21] <bazhang> you were just not listening, and
proposing/carrying out random operations with no connection
whatsoever to your actual issue
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5252 [20:24:58] <wewlad> bazhang: didn't he say that I need
to ls -ld that /1000/ dir to check for correct owner/permissions?
5253 [20:25:05] <bazhang> running things as root, changing
ownership, without a single idea on what that would do
5254 [20:25:21] <bazhang> no
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5256 [20:25:32] <wewlad> then what did he tell me to do?
5257 [20:25:44] <bazhang> 'a simple reboot will fix it'
5258 [20:25:58] <wewlad> a simple reboot doesn't fix it,
what's next?
5259 [20:25:59] <bazhang> many many helpers said that exact thing
5260 [20:26:03] <wewlad> a simple reboot doesn't fix it,
what's next?
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5263 [20:26:21] <wewlad> or do I need to repeat it many many times
to get heard?
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5268 [20:26:57] <mtn> wow
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5271 [20:27:38] <RoyK> !ask | wewlad
5272 [20:27:40] <bazhang> your actual issue, and the things you
keep adding you did not even mention earlier, make it that your
system is beyond salvage , entirely due to your own not listen/guess
wild try approach
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5278 [20:28:14] <wewlad> bazhang: I did mention EVERYTHING and you
say I didn't, so who's not listening here, huh?
5279 [20:28:25] <bazhang> no you did not
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5281 [20:28:52] <wewlad> I see, you are that kind of a guy that
claims that white is black and black is white, that's not
productive
5282 [20:28:58] <bazhang> that you logged in as root, and oh wait
you were also on as another user, that was near the very end
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5284 [20:29:48] <bazhang> the tale had more twists than an agatha
christie novel
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5286 [20:30:16] <wewlad> well, I did su because I'm not much
familiar with permissions of dirs under / - they usually request
root permissions to edit anything
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5289 [20:30:55] <wewlad> but anyways, I did check the owner of
those dirs and files, it was a correct one, what else did greycat
suggest?
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5294 [20:31:18] <wewlad> !ask | RoyK
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5296 [20:31:34] <AlexPortable> If I set shell to /bin/nologin,
will this still run the cronjobs?
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5299 [20:31:41] <bazhang> the system was beyond repair long before
anyone here suggested anything
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5301 [20:31:48] <greycat> AlexPortable: I believe it will, yes.
5302 [20:31:50] <wewlad> bazhang: aahahah
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5304 [20:31:53] <AlexPortable> oka ythanks
5305 [20:32:30] <wewlad> so you say that graycat is so stupid that
he thought the system could be fixed when it was not, oh wow
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5308 [20:32:52] <bazhang> !ops | wewlad
5309 [20:32:53] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang
complains about: | wewlad
5310 [20:33:00] <wewlad> and how did I manage to fix the problem
by creating a new uzer on the same system?
5311 [20:33:25] <bazhang> stop the name calling and wasting
time/cursing wewlad
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5313 [20:33:52] <wewlad> stop writing me, your advises are useless
5314 [20:33:57] <wewlad> advice*
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5316 [20:34:25] <wewlad> you didn't say a single productive
thing to me today or ever
5317 [20:34:29] <bazhang> you have ignored every single bit of
advice, thus your wrecked system
5318 [20:34:40] <wewlad> you lie as always
5319 [20:34:57] <debUser1980> troll :)
5320 [20:35:13] <bazhang> or just not a good listener/reader
5321 [20:35:20] <thurstylark> Blame the pants:
replaced-url
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5323 [20:35:37] <wewlad> he's not a troll, he's just
such a person that never helps but claims the opposite side
"I've told you already, but you didn't listen"
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5329 [20:36:49] <wewlad> when asked for details (like 'could
you repeat what exactly you think I should do?') he just goes
into full denial like 'bazhang: the system was beyond repair
long before anyone here suggested anything'
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5333 [20:39:32] <debUser1980> wewlad: I do enjoyed your style, but
you are the troll here.
5334 [20:39:41] <debUser1980> *did enjoy
5335 [20:40:05] <jmcnaught> everyone we should just drop it.
wewlad maybe it's time for a break.
5336 [20:40:35] <debUser1980> good coffee break, yeah.
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5342 [20:46:22] <g00se> Slightly suprised to see that qemu is
telling me that 'this kernel requires an X86-64 CPU ...'
yet i am booting a 64 bit kernel with qemu installed on a 64 bit
machine - what gives?
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5354 [20:50:03] <maarhart> hi, please help me with this
replaced-url
5355 [20:50:04] <boodie> Hi (Stable): for some reason I'm
unable to capture my voice when using Skype ... in fact I am not
sure the microphone works at all (in other words ... is it a
microphone or the wrong Pulseaudio settings)? Problem is it worked
until the last time I used it, but Skype always gave me problems ...
any idea?
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5359 [20:50:44] <maarhart> I know it's not debian, but I
guess it's basically the same.
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5362 [20:51:58] <dontknow> maarhart, have you tried it after log
out
5363 [20:52:05] <dontknow> try that
5364 [20:52:07] <devster31> what's bsdmainutils package
useful for on a server?
5365 [20:52:17] <abrotman> devster31: what binaries are in it?
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5367 [20:52:25] <wewlad> whatever
5368 [20:53:02] <dutchfish> greycat, you are right, insserv's
script realtime is a relique for sysv-rc, and isnt aware if it is
not installed. Thanks again.
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5372 [20:53:35] <devster31> abrotman:
replaced-url
5373 [20:53:44] <devster31> also hd and cal
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5376 [20:55:41] <maarhart> dontknow: yes
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5381 [20:57:42] <devster31> also on a similar note, do the
packages dhcpcd5, isc-dhcp-client (they provide dhcpcd and dhclient
respectively) redundant?
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5384 [20:59:26] <greycat> Hell, pump is still packaged.
5385 [20:59:29] <greycat> ,info pump
5386 [20:59:30] <judd> Package pump (admin, optional) in
jessie/amd64: BOOTP and DHCP client for automatic IP configuration.
Version: 0.8.24-7; Size: 34.2k; Installed: 72k
5387 [20:59:51] <wewlad> where do per-user mount settings are
stored?
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5391 [21:00:11] <wewlad> or does 'mount' work globally?
5392 [21:00:13] <greycat> So yeah, there are multiple DHCP
clients, multiple text editors, multiple window managers, etc.
5393 [21:01:07] <devster31> no, I meant if having them both
installed is useless
5394 [21:01:26] <devster31> or if it creates conflicts
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5409 [21:06:26] <dutchfish> devster31, well, you can setup your
preferred one like (example) echo "export EDITOR=nano"
>> ~/.bashrc
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5414 [21:07:31] <dutchfish> devster31, i have several editors,
depending on the current job
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5416 [21:07:47] <dutchfish> devster31, works pretty well
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5420 [21:08:10] <devster31> but these are dhcp clients, do I
really need both installed?
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5423 [21:09:02] <dutchfish> devster31, i dont know your setup, i
have one, but i can imagine that some wm demands something else
5424 [21:09:20] <devster31> headless setup
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5427 [21:09:39] <devster31> it's supposed to be a simple lan
server for smb shares and such
5428 [21:10:09] <dutchfish> devster31, well, i think dhcp-client
is the default (not sure) for a headless box
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5434 [21:11:21] <devster31> I see, I'll try look what's
included in a clean install
5435 [21:11:40] <dutchfish> devster31, and dhcp-client is a
virtual package btw
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5437 [21:11:52] <greycat> isc-dhcp-client is the default
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5439 [21:11:59] <dutchfish> greycat, yes
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5441 [21:12:53] <dutchfish> devster31, there are others for
busybox and ipv6
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5443 [21:13:28] <teraflops> devster31: dhcpcd vs dhclient, dig a
bit for the differences
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5469 [21:20:29] <SimbaLion> Hi, why doesn't root's
crontab run in Debian 8?
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5514 [21:22:58] <greycat> SimbaLion: what did you put in it, and
how do you know it didn't run?
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5581 [21:23:34] <SimbaLion> greycat, * * * * * /etc/script.sh and
I know it didn't run because it runs under a user account, it
only doesn't run under root.
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5594 [21:24:30] <greycat> Did you look for CRON errors in
/var/log/syslog? Does the script (always) produce some output in a
file that you can use to verify that it ran?
5595 [21:24:43] <SimbaLion> yeah it's being logged
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5597 [21:25:00] <greycat> What is being logged? A success or an
error?
5598 [21:25:01] <SimbaLion> I'll take a look at syslog
thanks, Someone suggested that cron is deprecated, which sounds
absurd. But they told me to ask in here.
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5608 [21:26:19] <SimbaLion> syslog says it's running, but it
isn't, the log is not producing results.
5609 [21:26:31] <cisc> systemd timers
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5611 [21:27:00] <SimbaLion> every time it runs there's a log
entry, but that only happens when a user runs it, when root runs it
nothing occurs, even tho syslog says root is running it
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5614 [21:27:24] <greycat> You may have to debug the script itself,
then. Possibly adding something like "exec
2>>/tmp/myscript.log; set -x" if that won't
interfere with the script's operations.
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5616 [21:27:41] <greycat> Does this log entry happen if you run it
as root from an interactive shell?
5617 [21:27:45] <SimbaLion> yeah
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5619 [21:28:09] <greycat> And when you say "root's
crontab", you mean that you ran "crontab -e" as root,
right? You're not editing /etc/crontab?
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5624 [21:29:00] <SimbaLion> right
5625 [21:29:16] <greycat> Then it's gotta be something inside
the script.
5626 [21:29:40] <SimbaLion> It's not tho
5627 [21:29:47] <wewlad> does archwiki apply to debian? In
particular I'm interested in this:
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5628 [21:29:59] <greycat> Add "exec
2>>/tmp/myscript.log; set -x" to the top of the script to
be absolutely sure.
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5633 [21:31:11] <devster31> teraflops: it seems the biggest reason
I would choose dhclient is because of NetworkManager but for a
headless box dhcpcd seems the better choice since "It is
currently the most feature-rich open source DHCP client"
according to archlinux wiki
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5636 [21:32:08] <SimbaLion> I added a new line, * * * * * echo
"test" > /root/crontest.log
5637 [21:32:21] <wewlad> :/
5638 [21:32:28] <SimbaLion> That worked, but only after 2 minutes,
when it should have been 1 minute.
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5640 [21:32:47] <SimbaLion> So at this point I am concluding act
of god, even tho god doesnt exist. Ghost in the machine?
where's the format button..
5641 [21:32:57] <teraflops> SimbaLion: that makes no sense
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5643 [21:33:03] <SimbaLion> thanks for understanding.
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5649 [21:34:23] <karihre> Hello, installed jessie recently on a
server, after installing some gui programs the server boots into
graphical mode, I noticed that the tty's are "no longer
there" when doing ctrl+alt+f[1-6], and after doing systemctl
set-default multi-user.target I boot into .. nothing (no tty
accessible) and can only login through ssh. Any ideas where the ttys
went and how to get them back?
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5651 [21:34:40] <greycat> For things that run every minute, you
may be happier with a daemon that sleeps until the next xx:xx:00 in
a loop, rather than running a whole cron job 1440 times a day.
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5656 [21:35:13] <greycat> But of course I have no idea what this
script does.
5657 [21:35:26] <SimbaLion> what'd make me happy is to know
why root is misbehaving on this one particular server.
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5659 [21:35:44] <SimbaLion> cause if it's becoming self-aware
I need to kill it with fire.
5660 [21:36:26] <thurstylark> and this right here is why we will
never reach the singularity :P
5661 [21:36:29] <devster31> I had no idea aptitude why existed
5662 [21:36:38] <SimbaLion> this server has been giving me other
strange problems too. So it's not surprising to me, just
annoying.
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5667 [21:37:19] <karihre>
replaced-url
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5669 [21:37:37] <martaroza> I have this device image
replaced-url
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5672 [21:38:19] <martaroza> anyone know?
5673 [21:38:29] <jmcnaught> karihre: is getty@tty1.service loaded
and active?
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5683 [21:41:08] <martaroza> hi
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5688 [21:42:45] <jelly> martaroza: you asked the exact same
question a couple hours back, and your "aplay -l" output
suggested the usb audio card was recognized.
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5690 [21:43:23] <jelly> martaroza: what happened after that? Did
you try to select the right card and right input in your audio
recording application?
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5696 [21:44:09] <wewlad> does anyone know why could I get a
'ls: cannot access /path/to/mountpoint/: No such device'
when trying to ls a mount point (sshfs)?
5697 [21:44:37] <jelly> wewlad: ssh connection broke and you
didn't use -o reconnect
5698 [21:44:50] <martaroza> jelly: I do not know what command to
make him work
5699 [21:45:20] <teraflops> karihre: what does `systemctl
get-default` say?
5700 [21:45:30] <wewlad> jelly: I'm trying to make
'automount on demand' work, so there's no ssh
connection at the moment
5701 [21:45:56] <martaroza> or if need debian package
5702 [21:46:23] <jelly> wewlad: then your automount setup is
incorrect, as it's supposed to do the mounting on access.
5703 [21:46:25] <martaroza> =/
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5705 [21:46:43] <martaroza> :(
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5707 [21:47:06] <devster31> why would man-db depend on
bsdmainutils
5708 [21:47:09] <jelly> martaroza: ok, let's step back a bit.
What are you trying to do with that usb audio card? audio output or
input? which audio app?
5709 [21:47:42] <wewlad> jelly: do you by chance know if
archwiki's solutions are applied to debian? in particular this
one:
replaced-url
5710 [21:47:53] <martaroza> Jelly: alsamixer?
5711 [21:48:11] <jelly> wewlad: no idea.
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5713 [21:48:24] <greycat> devster31: did you run dpkg -L
bsdmainutils yet?
5714 [21:48:31] <wewlad> jelly: ok, thx
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5716 [21:48:42] <greycat> At a glance, I'd guess one or more
of "col" and "column" are used in formatting.
5717 [21:48:47] <jelly> martaroza: press F6 in alsamixer.
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5719 [21:49:23] <jelly> martaroza: you ought to see your usb audio
card listed there.
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5721 [21:49:41] <martaroza> see image
replaced-url
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5723 [21:49:51] <martaroza> yes
5724 [21:49:59] <devster31> greycat: yes, I know what's in it
and why it's installed, man-db depends on it. it just seems
strange to me
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5726 [21:50:22] <martaroza> - (default) │ │ │0 HDA Intel HDMI │ ││
│1 HDA Intel PCH │ ││ │2 USB Audio Device │ ││ │ enter device
name...
5727 [21:50:35] <greycat> ... it seems strange to you that man-dn
would depend on the package that installs /usr/bin/col?
5728 [21:50:40] <martaroza> what number?
5729 [21:50:42] <teraflops> ^
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5732 [21:51:31] <jelly> martaroza: which oue looks like an USB
Audio card to you there?
5733 [21:51:34] <devster31> no, it seems strange that col
isn't a separate package and is instead bundled along with
calendar and banner
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5737 [21:52:24] <martaroza> usb see
replaced-url
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5742 [21:53:12] <martaroza> this options not work here
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5744 [21:53:18] <jelly> martaroza: which option?
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5747 [21:53:32] <martaroza> │OO│ │MM│ │MM│ │
5748 [21:53:32] <martaroza> │ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ │
5749 [21:53:32] <martaroza> │ 47<>47 7 │
5750 [21:53:32] <martaroza> │ < Speaker > Mic Auto Gain
Control
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replaced-url
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5756 [21:54:08] <jelly> macrobat: you have three controls there,
two are muted and the Speaker output is low. Which one fails to
work?
5757 [21:54:11] <martaroza> not recognize
5758 [21:54:15] <jelly> martaroza: you have three controls there,
two are muted and the Speaker output is low. Which one fails to
work?
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5760 [21:54:25] <martaroza> no work
5761 [21:54:40] <jelly> martaroza: what's your native
language?
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5763 [21:54:51] <martaroza> brazilian portoguese
5764 [21:54:57] <jelly> !br
5765 [21:54:57] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês.
Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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5767 [21:55:26] <devster31> I mean, this is part of the
description: 'This package used to contain whois and vacation,
which are now distributed in their own packages. Also here was
tsort, which is now in the "coreutils" package.' they
could do the same for column
5768 [21:55:27] <jelly> try that channel, we don't seem to
understand each other well enough to be able to help
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5771 [21:55:46] <greycat> devster31: Obviously there has not been
enough incentive to do such a thing.
5772 [21:55:48] <jelly> devster31: who's "they"?
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5774 [21:56:09] <greycat> What exactly is your complaint?
bsdmainutils is not a large package.
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5776 [21:56:16] <martaroza> this channel is empty
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5780 [21:56:29] <martaroza> that*
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5789 [21:58:17] <jelly> greycat: it uses 453 KiB of disk space!!
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5791 [21:58:37] <devster31> no complaints, I was just noticing a
lot of files in the /etc dir and was trying to get rid of some
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5793 [21:58:48] <devster31> and yes, if I have 1GB of space
everything counts
5794 [21:58:52] <greycat> 571kB on jessie amd64
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5796 [21:58:58] <jelly> i386 ftw.
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5800 [21:59:27] <jelly> devster31: which architecture are YOU
using
5801 [21:59:38] <martaroza> Jelly
5802 [21:59:41] <devster31> armhf
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5804 [22:00:03] <jelly> martaroza: yes
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5806 [22:00:18] <r0ck_> I really love Debian!
5807 [22:00:39] <tako> like everyone
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5811 [22:00:59] <ericandrewlewis_> When I install Debian on my
Mac, it installs GRUB somewhere, and when I reboot, GRUB shows up. I
know how to avoid this and load OS X instead (hold the option key),
but why does this happen?
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5813 [22:01:18] <jelly> martaroza: I don't know how to help
you more when you don't seem to have a good enough
understanding of English, sorry. Try asking the portuguese channel
and be patient.
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5833 [22:04:42] <jelly> martaroza: try to: 1. unmute and raise the
volume of everything in alsamixer for that card 2. install
pavucontrol 3. run your audio program 4. start pavucontrol, choose
the Playback tab, find your application and change the output device
to usb audio
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5841 [22:10:32] <teraflops> ericandrewlewis_: depends on _how_ you
installed linux. for doing that way I do create the ESP in HFS and
then I bless it from OSX
5842 [22:10:51] <cnu-> is there some recommended way to have a
"network setup script"? /etc/network/interfaces
doesn't do what i want
5843 [22:10:55] <wewlad> how to get know user's ID and
user's group ID?
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5845 [22:11:17] <wewlad> are they always 1000 and 100 as in
examples in the internets?
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5847 [22:11:52] <jmcnaught> wewlad: use the id command
5848 [22:12:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> wewlad, id
5849 [22:12:04] <wewlad> jmcnaught: thx, should've googled
first
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5851 [22:12:12] <oh2eko> hello im trying to setup internet
connection shareing from usb0 to eth1 but i am not finding any
guides that are current does anyone know of one or could help
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5857 [22:15:18] <jelly> martaroza:
replaced-url
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5860 [22:16:10] <ericandrewlewis_> teraflops: create a new ESP
separate from the OSX ESP? what does that accomplish? (not
intimately familiar with boot processes)
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5870 [22:16:52] <jelly> martaroza: that's an audio player
running and pavucontrol showing that player and the chosen audio
card for _that_ player application
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5873 [22:17:02] <wewlad> can I set umask separately for files and
dirs?
5874 [22:17:45] <martaroza> jelly: I instaled pavucontrooll
5875 [22:17:50] <martaroza> usb work
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5877 [22:19:10] <jelly> martaroza: you're welcome!
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5879 [22:19:35] <wewlad> how to 'source' fstab?
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5887 [22:20:31] <wewlad> I mean I'd like to test how my mount
rules from fstab work and I got tired of restarting the machine to
test that
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5890 [22:20:56] <jelly> wewlad: "mount -a"
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5900 [22:21:28] <wewlad> jelly: thanks!
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5906 [22:21:56] <wewlad> I can't make my sshfs mount work,
I'd appreciate if someone could help
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5951 [22:24:29] <teraflops> ericandrewlewis_: it's EFI
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5956 [22:25:26] <ericandrewlewis_> pardon?
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5958 [22:25:50] <teraflops> ericandrewlewis_: just like UEFI but
you format the ESP in HFS instead of fat
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5961 [22:27:42] <ericandrewlewis_> So create a separate EFI
partition, and then put what on that?
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5971 [22:28:22] <teraflops> ericandrewlewis_: something like that
replaced-url
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5974 [22:28:53] <ericandrewlewis_> thanks, that will prob provide
me with the context i need
5975 [22:29:07] <teraflops> ericandrewlewis_: yeah heh sorry
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5977 [22:30:11] <teraflops> ericandrewlewis_: there are several
ways for doing dual boot, so take a look there and pick the one that
floats your boat
5978 [22:30:21] <ericandrewlewis_> cool :)
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5981 [22:31:17] <teraflops> ericandrewlewis_: be careful, the
model matters
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6001 [22:40:35] <wewlad> doesn't anyone use sshfs mount?
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6009 [22:43:03] <spacedust> how can i use the netinstall iso
(latest) with ssh ? i want to install from ssh , is it possible ?
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6011 [22:43:28] <teraflops> spacedust: yes
6012 [22:43:32] <cluelessperson> spacedust, look into automated
install
6013 [22:43:34] <spacedust> how ?
6014 [22:43:42] <cluelessperson> spacedust, Google "automated
install"
6015 [22:43:45] <teraflops> spacedust: use the expert text mode
6016 [22:43:52] <spacedust> thanks teraflops
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6019 [22:43:58] <spacedust> cluelessperson: ill look into it
6020 [22:44:03] <cluelessperson> spacedust, rather "debian
automated installation script" or similar.
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6022 [22:44:37] <teraflops> spacedust: it'll will prompt you
eventually to the "continue the installation via ssh"
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6024 [22:45:18] <Lionyx> Hello guys! Having trouble to setup
Debian to start without X. I tried systemctl set-default
multi-user.target. and then rebooted. Am I in the right direction?
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6026 [22:45:30] <Lionyx> Jessie 8.4 by the way
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6030 [22:47:08] <greycat> Lionyx: I would use something like
systemctl disable lightdm.service or whatever your *dm is.
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6032 [22:47:38] <Lionyx> greycat would that be permanent?
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6037 [22:47:49] <greycat> Yes, until you do an "enable"
to undo it.
6038 [22:47:58] <Lionyx> Ok i'll give it a try
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6041 [22:48:40] <spacedust> thnks all
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6045 [22:49:20] <Lionyx> tks! it worked!!!!
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6049 [22:50:58] <wewlad> how to start ssh-agent and sshfs mount
after logging in?
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6063 [22:58:59] <allizom> Hi, I'm looking for a software to
make audio and video calls via the internet. I have previously used
Jitsi and I like ZRTP, but I'd prefer to use another client. I
have found
replaced-url
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6068 [23:00:36] <prussian> allizom: pretty sure the WebRTC
protocol has video stipend
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6071 [23:01:16] <allizom> prussian: how would I use ZRTP with
WebRTC?
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6074 [23:01:39] <allizom> Or something else with equivalent
capabilities
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6079 [23:03:32] <wewlad> I've added 2 shell scripts to kde
autostart but they don't work, instead they slow down the kde
logging in; they are supposed to ask for the passphrase, but I
don't get any prompts; please help
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6102 [23:11:38] <oh2eko> Well it seems i keep breaking things when
trying to setup internetconnection shareing so still looking for
help
6103 [23:12:05] <teraflops> allizom: jitsi is fine (you hate
java?) I tried linphone with video and it goes fine, I do asterisk
is that matters
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6110 [23:15:53] <jmcnaught> wewlad: KDE probably has some built-in
ssh-agent helper, possibly involving kdewallet
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6113 [23:16:12] <wewlad> jmcnaught: I already figured out that
it's a ksshaskpass
6114 [23:16:17] <allizom> teraflops: I'm reading about
linphone, seems interesting, thanks for your suggestion
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6118 [23:17:40] <wewlad> I'm experiencing hangs/unresponsive
UI in KDE now, what do I do?
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6120 [23:17:52] <teraflops> allizom: np, for android I like
csipsimple, it turns your smartphone in an amazing voip phone
6121 [23:17:54] <wewlad> I've just clicked to log out and it
fails
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6123 [23:19:01] <teraflops> audio/video with encryption and a
bunch of options for fine tunning, yeah offtopic sorry
6124 [23:19:39] <allizom> teraflops: csipsimple website as found
by a web search seems to be down
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6128 [23:20:10] <allizom> this one
replaced-url
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6137 [23:23:41] <teraflops> allizom: fdroid
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6141 [23:27:13] <teraflops> allizom: also
replaced-url
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6143 [23:28:03] <allizom> thanks teraflops :)
6144 [23:28:08] <teraflops> np
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6148 [23:30:22] <wewlad> how to reinstall kde?
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6150 [23:30:39] <jhutchins_wk> putty is available in Debian
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6159 [23:34:53] <wewlad> how to reinstall kde? I know of apt-get
--reinstall, but I don't know which package to reinstall to
make all kde-related packages get reinstalled
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6165 [23:36:35] <jmcnaught> wewlad: why do you want to reinstall
kde? what are you trying to fix?
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6167 [23:37:32] <wewlad> jmcnaught: after all bazhang might be
right that my system is f---ed: I got new problems, this time with
kde: it just hangs upon simple actions like when I click the kwin
button
6168 [23:37:43] <wewlad> or when I just log in to kde
6169 [23:37:54] <wewlad> it now takes noticeable time to load
6170 [23:38:13] <wewlad> and before it was almost instantly (well
a matter of ~3-5 seconds)
6171 [23:38:21] <jmcnaught> wewlad: for all users or just your
user? reinstalling packages doesn't have any effect on per-user
settings
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6173 [23:39:59] <wewlad> jmcnaught: hmm, I haven't thought of
checking that. Turns out it's just for 1 user
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6194 [23:45:51] <Mathisen> hello so i messed upp :) .. i tryed
gitlab but now when i have uninstalled it when i go to
replaced-url
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6197 [23:46:02] <Mathisen> any help would be relay nice
6198 [23:46:07] <Mathisen> realy*
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6202 [23:47:20] <Mathisen> it says EOF btw not EOL
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6204 [23:47:41] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: not really sure what the
gitlab-ctl uninstall command does, or how you installed gitlab. but
what is your webserver? did you check its logs, check which
virtualhosts are active etc?
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6209 [23:48:42] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: gitlab does offer an
"omnibus" deb package (which includes postgresql, chef,
python, ruby and more all in one package, but presumably it's
removable with dpkg)
6210 [23:49:08] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, i installed it this way >
replaced-url
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6212 [23:49:39] <Mathisen> i cant figure out what webserver that
is runnning.. i dont have apache2 anymore i purged it..
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6215 [23:50:23] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: you purged apache2? so you
don't want a webserver anymore and just can't figure out
what is answering on port 80?
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6219 [23:51:24] <maroloccio> hi. is mate the default desktop
environment going forward? default on stretch?
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6221 [23:51:39] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: did you you install a
gitlab-ce package then? can you just remove that package?
6222 [23:51:44] <Mathisen> i want a webserver yes but if i install
apache2 again it still overides it.. i cant reach index.html in
/var/replaced-url
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6224 [23:51:54] <markybob> maroloccio: no
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6226 [23:51:59] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, i purged gitlab-ce also
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6228 [23:52:05] <jmcnaught> maroloccio: there isn't really a
strong default in Debian, you get to choose during the install.
6229 [23:52:25] <maroloccio> markybob: why does it appear as
default in the daily?
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6231 [23:52:45] <maroloccio> jmcnaught: but practically, there is
a DE which is selected by default and many people just stick with
that
6232 [23:52:49] <markybob> maroloccio: it doesnt. jmcnaught gave
you a great answer. and the real default is still gnome.
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6234 [23:53:04] <maroloccio> markybob: did you try the
nightly/daily of stretch?
6235 [23:53:23] <markybob> i tried alpha 5
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6237 [23:53:48] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: and did it report that it
was succesfully removed, or were there errors?
6238 [23:53:50] <maroloccio> well.. just got the new
"nightly" and was really surprised to see Mate selected as
default
6239 [23:54:03] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, no problem at all.. it
removed it fine
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6241 [23:54:49] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: what does "netstat
-tulpn | grep :80" say is listening on port 80?
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6243 [23:55:53] <WujekStaszek> netstat -plnt yes
6244 [23:55:59] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, >
replaced-url
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6246 [23:56:07] <WujekStaszek> I don't know grep
6247 [23:56:09] <Mathisen> realy wierd it shows nothing but still
listening
6248 [23:56:11] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: by the way, i strongly
recommend you start using VMs or containers on your PC to test
software, especially third party stuff not packaged by Debian. Then
if you have trouble removing it you can just scrap the VM/container
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6250 [23:56:48] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, yeah :( i did not think this
would be so bad doh.. not an excuse i know .. but still
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6252 [23:57:44] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: i mean, unless you enjoy
cleaning up messes on your servers :P. Did you run that netstat
command as root?
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6254 [23:58:17] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, ahh it shows * 21963/nginx
"
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6256 [23:58:19] <maroloccio> i am on stretch.. how can i get a
more recent kernel version than 4.4.0-1?
6257 [23:58:37] <maroloccio> later than 17 march
6258 [23:58:52] <Mathisen> but already tried to apt-get purge
nginx
6259 [23:58:59] <Mathisen> it says i dont got it installed
6260 [23:59:37] <Mathisen> can i remove it some other way ?
6261 [23:59:47] <markybob> maroloccio: you compile it
6262 [23:59:55] <maroloccio> markybob: thank you. will do that
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6264 [23:59:58] <markybob> maroloccio: and stretch support
isn't in here. /topic
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