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46[00:46:52] <David--> Hi, I want to download Debian, but i'm not sure which version I need from the download page? amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mips64el mipsel ppc64el s390x?
47[00:47:04] <annadane> what's your processor?
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49[00:47:21] <sney> if you have a modern desktop/laptop, it's almost definitely amd64.
50[00:47:36] * dvs uses his Itanium
51[00:47:48] <David--> it's a server, i'll check now... 1 sec
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53[00:48:44] <sney> amd64 is aka x86_64. if the server would otherwise run windows, that's the one.
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56[00:50:21] <David--> There's 2 processors, Xeon|E5-2667-V2|3.30Ghz|8.00GTs|25M|8C|SR19W
57[00:50:28] <sney> yep.
58[00:50:31] <sney> !firmware image
59[00:50:31] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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61[00:50:54] <sney> it's common for dell/lenovo servers to use the bnx2 network adapter from broadcom, which requires firmware, so this is the installer you should use ^
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63[00:51:22] <David--> is it the edu or non-edu i need?
64[00:51:30] <David--> yeah it's a Dell R720xd
65[00:52:01] <David--> i'm installing a Virtual Machine with this OS
66[00:52:17] <sney> non edu, just the netinst
67[00:52:33] <David--> thanks for your help sney :)
68[00:52:36] <sney> np
69[00:52:50] <David--> :)
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71[00:54:33] <annadane> broadcom is distributable now?
72[00:54:46] <sney> non-wifi is
73[00:55:24] <David--> sney: Sorry can I just confirm, is this version 9 and 64bit?
74[00:55:34] <sney> David--: it's version 10 and 64bit.
75[00:55:47] <David--> okay cheers again pal
76[00:55:54] <sney> np
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234[04:09:16] <lxbarbosa> back to firefox :)
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244[04:30:40] <kreyren> My tty is showing only blinking `_` how do i get getty there?
245[04:30:54] <kreyren> command getty is installed, but this is system without systemd so i guess i broke something
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248[04:34:25] <sney> an odd combination, having a specific preference of init system without knowing that the init system is what spawns ttys
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250[04:34:58] <kreyren> sney, openrc ain't spawning these
251[04:35:06] <kreyren> but it's on tty0 outputting logs and stuff
252[04:35:13] <kreyren> and i dont have the getty/tty sercice
253[04:35:20] <kreyren> s/sercice/service/gm
254[04:35:32] <sney> in sysv getty was configured through /etc/inittab, it will vary, try looking at the manual
255[04:36:05] <kreyren> sney, that seems to be preserved~ replaced-url
256[04:36:29] * kreyren tries to ask in #devuan then
257[04:38:25] * kreyren created replaced-url
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260[04:49:20] <David--> hi, can anyone help me with this error please? The repository 'replaced-url
261[04:49:46] <ectospasm> ubuntu doesn't use Buster as a code name.
262[04:49:52] <ectospasm> To my knowledge, anyway.
263[04:50:24] <ectospasm> David--: did you mean Debian? Not Ubuntu?
264[04:50:59] <ectospasm> I'm not familiar with Docker images, but that looks so wrong.
265[04:51:15] <David--> looks like an error with the script
266[04:51:17] <sney> 3rd party repos sometimes mix up the release names in annoying ways, but yeah, make *sure* you copied the repo entry exactly
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268[04:51:41] <sney> and if you're 100% sure that you followed the instructions to the letter, take it to docker support, because we don't (and can't) support non-debian rando stuff
269[04:52:12] <David--> that's fine, it's not docker... it's a 3rd party script to install something that is supposed to install docker as part of it.
270[04:52:23] <David--> The script is supposed to support ubuntu and debian
271[04:52:39] <David--> i'll try it with Ubuntu... thanks for the help
272[04:52:40] <sney> ok, then ask whoever maintains the script
273[04:53:14] <David--> i was following their guide but if it doesn't work with Ubuntu i'll ask them... thanks again
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278[05:03:03] <quadrathoch2> David-- I guess the tutorial just forgot to edit the ubuntu to debian part
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348[07:01:36] <mi11k1> anybody know if it's possible to get an image of stretch or buster for this ? replaced-url
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350[07:02:58] <mi11k1> thie current OS is complete shit, can't even install an apk, it's pretty guarded. can't get it to resolve either
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352[07:03:59] <mi11k1> have time settings correct and can't do anything . encryption errors
353[07:04:38] <mi11k1> ok, going into trash can
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413[08:37:07] <bigMouthCommie> just got a new (used) laptop with no OS on it. installed win10 on 1/3 of the drive, then debian on the rest. i can't seem to get debian to boot.
414[08:37:19] <bigMouthCommie> it goes straight into the windows every time
415[08:37:41] <bigMouthCommie> i understand i will probably need to run the whole install again, but can someone guess with me about why this happened?
416[08:38:41] <bracham> which did you install second?
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418[08:39:01] <bigMouthCommie> debian
419[08:39:34] <bracham> it's new, so it's uefi?
420[08:39:58] <bigMouthCommie> uh... it's like 8 years old but i dug through the bios.
421[08:40:11] <bigMouthCommie> afaict i disabled uefi
422[08:40:28] <bracham> ok so it boots as legacy?
423[08:40:50] <bigMouthCommie> lemme take it down here and get you real answers instead of guesses
424[08:42:57] <bracham> if it's booting in legacy mode, i'm guessing grub didn't get correctly installed. if it's in uefi mode, then you can either open the boot options screen right at startup and select the debian bootloader versus the windows bootloader, or go into the bios settings and switch the bootloader boot order
425[08:43:39] <bigMouthCommie> windows added "windows boot manager" to my boot options. i discovered that earlier and moved it to lowest priority. i just DISABLED uefi. it was set as legacy first.
426[08:44:30] <bigMouthCommie> i also just disabled windows boot manager, and now it won't boot at all
427[08:44:44] <bracham> ok. you can leave uefi turned on, just set debian to be first choice, and you'll have grub come up
428[08:44:45] <bigMouthCommie> it brings up the bios boot options. i choose hdd
429[08:45:03] <bigMouthCommie> yea. i guess i'll take another crack at installing debian tomorrow
430[08:45:15] <bracham> why reinstall?
431[08:45:27] <bigMouthCommie> i don't think it installed grub
432[08:45:36] <mi11k1> just use legacy
433[08:45:38] <bigMouthCommie> i walked away, when i came back it was timed out....
434[08:45:54] <mi11k1> turn off eufi if you don't know what yer doing
435[08:46:05] <bigMouthCommie> mi11k1: i turned off eufi entirely
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437[08:46:25] <mi11k1> just reinstall and you'll see the process
438[08:46:28] <bracham> um, or look around and figure it out
439[08:46:37] <bigMouthCommie> thanx y'all
440[08:46:42] <bigMouthCommie> catch u l8r
441[08:46:44] <mi11k1> the very last step will be grub
442[08:47:02] <bracham> it's all there
443[08:47:05] <mi11k1> it takes 5 mins if you have an sdd
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446[08:47:32] <mi11k1> ssd *
447[08:47:46] <bracham> if he did the install already, it's all there. he just can't get to the grub bootloader on the gpt system
448[08:48:04] <mi11k1> did you set the boot order?
449[08:48:16] <mi11k1> how many hardrives?
450[08:48:38] <bracham> you know as much as i do
451[08:48:54] <mi11k1> boot into recovery and type update-grub as root
452[08:48:58] <bracham> it's a laptop, so i'd guess one drive, multiple (at least 2) partitions
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454[08:49:31] <mi11k1> the grub should just be other the master boot record
455[08:49:48] <mi11k1> you can try grub recue iso
456[08:49:57] <bracham> legacy doesn't pick a second partition to boot from
457[08:50:08] <bracham> which is why i was saying use uefi
458[08:50:28] <mi11k1> grub detects the installs on al partitions
459[08:50:32] <bracham> yes
460[08:50:32] <mi11k1> makes a list
461[08:50:33] <bracham> but
462[08:50:43] <bracham> oh wait
463[08:51:25] <mi11k1> so just do a new install on the partition at the end you ick grub on tje mbr and pick thrle drive
464[08:51:41] <bracham> just trying to think...isn't there issues using gpt and legacy?
465[08:51:55] <mi11k1> no
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467[08:52:42] <mi11k1> it's a complicated subject , I'm notbgettikg into trying to repair something
468[08:53:02] <mi11k1> cause ppl that don't know do some weird stuff.
469[08:53:04] <bracham> i know i ran into an issue once...can't remember what it was though. i guess with legacy, if grub is installed in the only mbr, it would be first to load
470[08:53:18] <mi11k1> it's super simple and complicated at the same time
471[08:53:33] <bracham> i know what you mean
472[08:53:43] <mi11k1> yah, so that's why I'm saying run the install again
473[08:54:03] <bracham> first couple times working with uefi, i disabled it. then i figured it out and now love it
474[08:54:21] <mi11k1> l love it and hate it
475[08:54:28] <bracham> oh?
476[08:54:33] <mi11k1> I have like 5 machines , I use a mix
477[08:54:48] <mi11k1> it's something I don't mess with. I don't dual boot anymore
478[08:54:56] <mi11k1> just use virtualization
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480[08:55:16] <bracham> ah ok. i have three machines of my own, all older. i dual boot all of them
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482[08:55:24] <bracham> they're all legacy
483[08:55:45] <mi11k1> what's older?
484[08:55:54] <bracham> about ten years or so
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486[08:56:07] <mi11k1> dual core?
487[08:56:26] <mi11k1> what do you dual boot?
488[08:56:51] <mi11k1> if i do dual boot ever it's with 2 ssd
489[08:57:04] <bracham> i think they're all dual core.
490[08:57:10] <bracham> are you asking what OSes?
491[08:57:15] <mi11k1> ya
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494[08:57:59] <bracham> this laptop has deb10, ubuntu2004 (just recently started switching from ubuntu), and windows 10. rarely use win10
495[08:58:21] <bracham> the wife's laptop has U2004 and win10
496[08:58:33] <mi11k1> good choice in miving from ubuntu
497[08:58:43] <bracham> and my desktop has U2004 and win7
498[08:59:17] <mi11k1> dobthe cpus supoirt virtualisation ?
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500[09:00:25] <bracham> no clue, and i don't really care anyway, as i rarely use windows anymore
501[09:02:41] <bracham> my biggest job coming up will be to switch my server from ubuntu server to debian
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505[09:11:31] <mi11k1> what do you serve?
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512[09:19:46] <bracham> i'm back. not sure what happened
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514[09:20:23] <mi11k1> I need to fix my AC right now.
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594[11:06:27] <sacarde> hi
595[11:07:25] <sacarde> I have a key problem in debian-sparc: signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 84C573CD4E1AFD6C Debian Ports
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621[11:48:10] <KOLANICH> Hello everybody. Could salsa.debian.org admins set vue_file_list_enabled into false?
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670[12:33:49] <dreamer> hmm, finally dist-upgraded my laptop, but now my terminal font looks all terrible and the mouse is moving way too fast. meh.
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672[12:34:44] <NetTerminalGene> dreamer, buster?
673[12:34:51] <dreamer> yes
674[12:34:54] <wwilliam> Hello trying to install debian 10 in vm oracle Box intallations hangs at Configuring man-db (amd64) any advise please? other distributions have been installed with no issue on this server. Thank you.
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677[12:37:16] <dreamer> huh. and there's no x-replaced-url
678[12:38:56] <dreamer> oh, that's my error
679[12:39:19] <dreamer> but meh. not my fav terminal font sucks. settings of terminator are still the same. how does a font change so radically like this o.O
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686[12:52:11] <wwilliam> Hello trying to install debian 10 in vm oracle Box intallations hangs at Configuring man-db (amd64) any advise please? other distributions have been installed with no issue on this server. Thank you.
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704[13:13:03] <tomreyn> wwilliam: how much ram did you assign, are you using the VM template for 64-bit Debian systems?
705[13:15:42] <wwilliam> Checking.....
706[13:16:32] <wwilliam> 4096 ram
707[13:16:56] <wwilliam> I dont remember about the template let me start all over.
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714[13:26:54] <wwilliam> Thank you tomreyn all good now I choose the debian64 template, now it installed.
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754[14:19:17] <tomreyn> you're welcome
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757[14:25:32] <flayer> i don't like looking through logs because all the messages scare me "why is x logging in on y?" "what does this error notice mean?"
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760[14:27:59] <flayer> it's a scary world out there
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816[15:47:17] <jhutchins> flayer: So set this goal: run ps ax, and learn what every item on that list is.
817[15:48:10] <jhutchins> It's gotten a lot harder, with systemd there are a lot more kernel proesses, but once you get there, you'll really have mastere your system.
818[15:48:23] <jhutchins> flayer: I'd say give the project two years.
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820[15:49:06] <miskatonic> a reason why I avoid systemd
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823[15:49:48] <jhutchins> miskatonic: Embrase the flames.
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842[16:14:50] <huma> i have a 3rd party repository which i've installed some packages from. how do i remove all the packages in this repo and the repo itself? i'd like to replace them with the official buster packages.
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845[16:19:17] <nkuttler> huma: aptitude search '~i(!~ODebian)'
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849[16:26:47] <cleifer> the new chromium package is fucked up
850[16:27:04] <cleifer> it's consistently pounding the CPU
851[16:27:44] <cleifer> Installed: 83.0.4103.116-1~deb10u1
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857[16:32:46] <huma> cleifer: with zero tabs opened?
858[16:33:49] <cleifer> it settles down a little but i upgraded it and restarted chrome and now it's unusably slow
859[16:33:54] <cleifer> i just downgraded back to 80
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861[16:34:20] <cleifer> and it's snappy and works great
862[16:34:28] <cleifer> definitely some kind of regression IMHO
863[16:34:53] <nkuttler> ,v chromium
864[16:34:54] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 80.0.3987.162-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 83.0.4103.116-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 83.0.4103.116-2; sid: 83.0.4103.116-2
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866[16:35:11] <cleifer> i'm on buster
867[16:35:13] <nkuttler> cleifer: report a bug?
868[16:35:19] <cleifer> i'm mentioning it here
869[16:35:27] <nkuttler> well, this isn't the bts
870[16:36:01] <cleifer> if you all want to fly it up that's fine, i'm just mentioning it.
871[16:36:41] <cleifer> memory killer also killed chromium when i was using 83 briefly. so yeah, it seems like something is wrong
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878[16:43:43] <huma> nkuttler: this doesn't seem right. i have nginx installed from a 3rd party and it doesn't show it. instead, a lot of libs and gcc. weird.
879[16:44:18] <nkuttler> huma: did you install a debian package for nginx?
880[16:44:40] <nkuttler> huma: output of apt-cache policy <yournginxpackage> ?
881[16:44:58] <huma> yep, did just that
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883[16:45:46] <nkuttler> you did what?
884[16:46:05] <huma> nkuttler: replaced-url
885[16:46:20] <huma> ran policy to check the repo
886[16:46:22] <nkuttler> huma: that's a debian package
887[16:46:44] <nkuttler> huma: are you looking for apt remove ~oobsolete ?
888[16:47:24] <nkuttler> oh wait, acutally, unsure if that's a debian package, but it's not in the sources any more, so i guess apt can't know if it's external
889[16:47:29] <huma> nkuttler: how come? debian is 1.14.21
890[16:47:44] <nkuttler> ,v nginx
891[16:47:45] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u6; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 1.14.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.14.2-2+deb10u1; buster-security: 1.14.2-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 1.18.0-3; sid: 1.18.0-4
892[16:47:45] <huma> this one is 1.19.0
893[16:47:57] <huma> i'm on buster
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896[16:48:23] <nkuttler> well, like i said, if it's not available any more apt doesn't seem to know where you installed it from
897[16:48:36] <nkuttler> huma: apt remove ~oobsolete
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899[16:48:57] <nkuttler> or it could have been installed locally with dpkg or what not
900[16:49:32] <nkuttler> huma: sorry, aptitude remove ~oobsolete
901[16:49:35] <huma> yea... it's a rather old system. upgraded it recently from debian 8.
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903[16:52:37] <huma> didn't find any packages :/
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906[16:57:36] <huma> nkuttler: so this would be a leftover from debian 9, correct? replaced-url
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927[17:26:21] <bigMouthCommie> i had some problems dual booting win10 with deb10.4 and i asked for help here last night. a little sleep and googling, i've found out about gpt but i've ALWAYS done mbr and i just feel unsure about gpt. if someone here is experienced with gpt, would you hold my hand?
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930[17:28:06] <shibboleth> what are you tryin to do?
931[17:28:10] <shibboleth> trying
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933[17:28:28] <shibboleth> you've got a gpt-formatted drive on it and a pre-existing windows installation?
934[17:28:42] <shibboleth> and want to install debian and do dual-boot?
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936[17:29:11] <bigMouthCommie> shibboleth: i have an mbr disk
937[17:29:24] <shibboleth> ...and?
938[17:29:26] <bigMouthCommie> the machine shipped to me with a blank hdd
939[17:29:32] <shibboleth> ok
940[17:29:34] <bigMouthCommie> i've never made a gpt disk
941[17:29:38] <shibboleth> ok
942[17:29:49] <bigMouthCommie> and, for sure, never dualbooted in uefi
943[17:30:14] <shibboleth> it seems unlikely that we're talking about the same machine you're currently using....
944[17:30:17] <bigMouthCommie> i got the deb10 xfce-nonfree live disc booted up
945[17:30:23] <bigMouthCommie> right
946[17:30:36] <shibboleth> so you've got a disconnected mbr-formatted drive
947[17:30:42] <shibboleth> and a new machine with a second, blank drive?
948[17:31:14] <shibboleth> ok, so we are talking the same machine you're using at the moment
949[17:31:28] <shibboleth> then i recommend that you install windows first
950[17:31:31] <bigMouthCommie> i don't know what you mean "disconnected mbr-formatted drive" but, yes... a new machine with "blank" drive (i've tried to make this work without reading docs and ended up here)
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952[17:31:40] <shibboleth> never mind all that
953[17:31:52] <shibboleth> <bigMouthCommie> shibboleth: i have an mbr disk
954[17:31:56] <shibboleth> <bigMouthCommie> the machine shipped to me with a blank hdd
955[17:32:16] <shibboleth> made me think we were not talking the same machine you're using for irc atm
956[17:32:22] <bigMouthCommie> right but then i did a bunch of partitioning and installed both OSes but the dual boot is not working.
957[17:32:40] <bigMouthCommie> actually, no booting at the moment except from optical
958[17:32:43] <shibboleth> so the disk is no longer blank?
959[17:32:51] <bigMouthCommie> right but i can lose all the data
960[17:33:11] <shibboleth> alright, so here here we are three minutes and later and what you've been telling me thus far isn't true
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964[17:33:49] <shibboleth> anyway
965[17:33:59] <shibboleth> which is did you install first?
966[17:34:02] <shibboleth> which os
967[17:34:11] <bigMouthCommie> win10.
968[17:34:21] <shibboleth> ok. paste.debian.net
969[17:34:46] <shibboleth> the partition layout
970[17:35:30] <bigMouthCommie> my plan was to nuke the entire disk and just do it right from the beginning. but if you tell me the command you want, i'll paste it out.
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972[17:35:43] <shibboleth> gparted /dev/sdX
973[17:35:53] <shibboleth> and "p" for print layout
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975[17:37:02] <bigMouthCommie> will be a few minutes. need to update apt and get gparted
976[17:37:30] <shibboleth> nvm that
977[17:37:34] <shibboleth> cfdisk /dev/sdX
978[17:37:38] <shibboleth> copy, paste
979[17:38:07] <bigMouthCommie> cfdisk isn't on the live dvd either
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981[17:38:17] <shibboleth> sorry, my bad
982[17:38:18] <shibboleth> parted
983[17:38:21] <shibboleth> not gparted
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986[17:40:18] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
987[17:40:41] <shibboleth> alright
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989[17:40:54] <shibboleth> this an SSD or mechdrive?
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991[17:41:00] <shibboleth> ssd i take it
992[17:41:16] <bigMouthCommie> i honestly don't know. it's a 10 year old thinkpad
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994[17:41:27] <shibboleth> model?
995[17:41:33] <bigMouthCommie> e525
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997[17:41:39] <shibboleth> ereplaced-url
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999[17:41:41] <shibboleth> anyway
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1001[17:42:00] <shibboleth> you're sure its bios is set up for uefi boot?
1002[17:42:05] <bigMouthCommie> it WAS
1003[17:42:09] <shibboleth> windows was working before you installed debian?
1004[17:42:11] <bigMouthCommie> but i disabled uefi
1005[17:42:28] <shibboleth> why?
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1007[17:42:54] <bigMouthCommie> i was tired and haven't ever done dual boot WITH uefi before, didn't think it would break it.
1008[17:43:04] <shibboleth> listen...
1009[17:43:09] <bigMouthCommie> so installed windows WITH uefi on, disabled uefi, installed deb
1010[17:43:25] <shibboleth> either the drive is gpt-formatted and you do uefi boot or mbr+legacy
1011[17:43:51] <shibboleth> bigMouthCommie, so, you're one of those ppl who insist on solving algebra by chewing bubblegum?
1012[17:44:07] <shibboleth> anyway
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1014[17:44:22] <shibboleth> reboot, enable uefi boot in bios
1015[17:44:29] <shibboleth> and uefi-boot the livedisc
1016[17:44:32] <bigMouthCommie> ok. i don't think i can figure out mbr+legacy any more with modern windows, so... i'm down to do gpt, which i only learned about this morning. i just wanted some hints to nuke the disk, set it up for gpt, and then do the debian install (after win10) with gpt/uefi
1017[17:44:41] <shibboleth> reboot, enable uefi boot in bios
1018[17:44:42] <shibboleth> and uefi-boot the livedisc
1019[17:44:50] <bigMouthCommie> thanx shibboleth
1020[17:44:55] <bigMouthCommie> :D
1021[17:45:36] <GGuest91> ms-sys -7 /dev/sdX ; ms-sys -f /dev/sdX
1022[17:45:54] <GGuest91> bootable windows
1023[17:45:57] <shibboleth> yeah, let's not go there
1024[17:46:44] <shibboleth> here we are fifteen minutes into this and he's been confused as to both the truth and what efi/mbr actually is
1025[17:46:56] <shibboleth> let's not with emulating mbr
1026[17:47:26] <shibboleth> bigMouthCommie, i'm not gonna hold your hand for hours, reboot now and do what i said
1027[17:47:37] <GGuest91> shibboleth: you need to write the master boot record with -7 or maybe -10 use the ms-sys man page, but there's also an experimental option which i needed. this is the -f option.
1028[17:47:44] <shibboleth> i know that
1029[17:47:44] <GGuest91> without an mbr the bios can't boot
1030[17:47:46] <shibboleth> you know that
1031[17:47:50] <bigMouthCommie> i used to do dual xp-gnu a LOT. (i already switched to uefi and am bringing the live system back up)
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1033[17:47:58] <shibboleth> but when this breaks he'll be lost
1034[17:48:00] <bigMouthCommie> i was very practiced with mbr
1035[17:48:35] <GGuest91> and you need the bootable flag on the partition on
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1038[17:49:15] <GGuest91> mount -o loop ~/windows.iso /mnt/iso ; cp -r /mnt/iso/* /mnt/usb ;
1039[17:49:24] <GGuest91> umount
1040[17:49:38] <shibboleth> GGuest91, you wanna take over?
1041[17:49:45] <GGuest91> no
1042[17:49:46] <bigMouthCommie> please no.
1043[17:49:56] <bigMouthCommie> none of that looks right
1044[17:50:04] <GGuest91> it worked for me.
1045[17:50:55] <shibboleth> bigMouthCommie, how are you still here if we're talking the same machine you're using for irc atm?
1046[17:51:00] <bigMouthCommie> live system still coming online
1047[17:51:02] <shibboleth> you've gotta reboot and change bios settings
1048[17:51:14] <bigMouthCommie> shibboleth: my irc system is separate
1049[17:51:25] <shibboleth> well, that only took twenty minutes...
1050[17:51:32] <bigMouthCommie> i thought i was clear about that
1051[17:52:16] <GGuest91> my only problem in making windows usb bootable has been with the mbr, but maybe you have a bios setting. i never needed to poke around in the bios, but never used uefi before.
1052[17:52:22] <shibboleth> <shibboleth> never mind all that
1053[17:52:23] <shibboleth> <shibboleth> <bigMouthCommie> shibboleth: i have an mbr disk
1054[17:52:23] <shibboleth> <shibboleth> <bigMouthCommie> the machine shipped to me with a blank hdd
1055[17:52:23] <shibboleth> <shibboleth> made me think we were not talking the same machine you're using for irc atm
1056[17:52:23] <shibboleth> <bigMouthCommie> right but then i did a bunch of partitioning and installed both OSes but the dual boot is not working.
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1059[17:52:43] <bigMouthCommie> whoopz
1060[17:52:50] <bigMouthCommie> last line <bigMouthCommie> right but then i did a bunch of partitioning and installed both OSes but the dual boot is not working.
1061[17:52:54] <shibboleth> bigMouthCommie, i depend on you telling me what is true and not
1062[17:52:55] <bigMouthCommie> but i have my own scrollback
1063[17:52:59] <shibboleth> i can't rely on my astrologer
1064[17:53:10] <bigMouthCommie> i really thought i was clear. my apologies
1065[17:53:11] <shibboleth> astrologist
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1067[17:54:03] <GGuest91> if you set the mbr and even used the experimental ms-sys -f option, assuming you did the right partition with fdisk or another tool it should boot, and you needn't mess with the bios.
1068[17:54:24] <shibboleth> GGuest91, how about we rather just install efi grub
1069[17:54:48] <bigMouthCommie> oh yay. i have a gui.
1070[17:54:49] <GGuest91> i don't have experience with uefi sorry
1071[17:54:58] <GGuest91> but i hope it does boot properly made mbrs
1072[17:55:11] <shibboleth> bigMouthCommie, alright
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1074[17:55:23] <shibboleth> so, the bios is set to secure boot/uefi boot?
1075[17:55:29] <shibboleth> and you efi-booted the livedisc?
1076[17:56:00] <bigMouthCommie> yes
1077[17:56:02] <shibboleth> good
1078[17:56:06] <shibboleth> open a terminal as root
1079[17:56:26] <bigMouthCommie> done
1080[17:56:39] <shibboleth> we talking /dev/sda?
1081[17:56:46] <shibboleth> or /dev/nvmen***?
1082[17:56:53] <bigMouthCommie> dev/sda
1083[17:56:56] <shibboleth> k
1084[17:57:04] <bigMouthCommie> windows owns the front of the drive
1085[17:57:07] <bigMouthCommie> 4gb boot
1086[17:57:08] <shibboleth> mount /dev/sda5 /mnt
1087[17:57:12] <bigMouthCommie> 100gb root
1088[17:57:14] <bigMouthCommie> home
1089[17:57:15] <bigMouthCommie> swap
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1091[17:57:16] <shibboleth> if sda5 is the root part
1092[17:57:22] <shibboleth> yes
1093[17:57:25] <shibboleth> mount /dev/sda5 /mnt
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1095[17:57:37] <shibboleth> mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/boot
1096[17:57:42] <shibboleth> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/efi
1097[17:58:01] <shibboleth> you may have to mkdir /mnt/boot/efi before mounting it
1098[17:58:10] <shibboleth> after you mounted /mnt/boot that is
1099[17:58:39] <shibboleth> well, we're waiting...
1100[17:58:56] <bigMouthCommie> hands were on another kbd
1101[17:59:05] <bigMouthCommie> but yea. mkdir and mount-ed
1102[17:59:12] <bigMouthCommie> just the 3 partitions?
1103[17:59:16] <shibboleth> mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
1104[17:59:20] <shibboleth> mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts
1105[17:59:26] <shibboleth> mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc
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1107[17:59:32] <shibboleth> mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
1108[18:00:19] <bigMouthCommie> ... /mnt/sys
1109[18:00:21] <bigMouthCommie> done
1110[18:00:31] <shibboleth> chroot /mnt
1111[18:01:00] <bigMouthCommie> oh yay. this feels good. (i've debootstrapped a few systems)
1112[18:01:08] <shibboleth> done?
1113[18:01:14] <GGuest91> sounds like a lot of trouble. you can make usb windows stick and install it, save some disk for your debian partition, then install debian, you'll have a dual log.
1114[18:01:17] <bigMouthCommie> yep
1115[18:01:24] <shibboleth> GGuest91, kindly: stfu
1116[18:01:28] <shibboleth> grub-install /dev/sda1
1117[18:02:09] <shibboleth> then, update-grub2
1118[18:02:17] <shibboleth> paste output
1119[18:02:19] <bigMouthCommie> error
1120[18:02:46] <bigMouthCommie> error on grub-install
1121[18:02:50] <shibboleth> likely that efi-version of grub innæt installed
1122[18:02:57] <shibboleth> dpkg -l | grep grub
1123[18:02:57] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep grub
1124[18:03:03] <shibboleth> oh
1125[18:03:18] <shibboleth> bigMouthCommie, dpkg -l | grep grub
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1127[18:03:51] <bigMouthCommie> -common -firmware-qemu -pc -pc-bin -common
1128[18:03:57] <shibboleth> yes
1129[18:03:58] <bigMouthCommie> errr... 2-common
1130[18:04:06] <shibboleth> that is due to you installing debian in "mbr mode"
1131[18:04:09] <shibboleth> no biggie
1132[18:04:18] <shibboleth> you have working network inside the chroot?
1133[18:04:48] <bigMouthCommie> yes
1134[18:04:55] <shibboleth> apt-get install grub-efi-amd64-signed
1135[18:05:37] <bigMouthCommie> gotta run update... this will be a couple mins
1136[18:05:37] <shibboleth> this may prompt the installation of signed kenrel packages
1137[18:05:44] <shibboleth> which you want
1138[18:05:45] <shibboleth> ok
1139[18:06:33] <bigMouthCommie> told me to dpkg --configure -a
1140[18:06:44] <bigMouthCommie> so i am doing that
1141[18:07:23] <shibboleth> in the mean time:
1142[18:07:32] <shibboleth> add /dev/sda1 to fstab
1143[18:07:35] <shibboleth> as /boot/efi
1144[18:07:41] <shibboleth> inside the chroot
1145[18:08:03] <bigMouthCommie> i'm no good with fstab syntax... can you give me the line exactly?
1146[18:08:05] <shibboleth> UUID=1234-ABCD /boot/efi vfat noauto,umask=0077 0 1
1147[18:08:11] <bigMouthCommie> omg. m a zing
1148[18:08:14] <shibboleth> blkid 7dev/sda1
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1150[18:09:00] <shibboleth> maybe you wanna remove "noauto"
1151[18:09:09] <shibboleth> so
1152[18:09:13] <shibboleth> UUID=1234-ABCD /boot/efi vfat umask=0077 0 1
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1154[18:10:12] <bigMouthCommie> so... your last line exactly? what's with the blkid line?
1155[18:10:22] <shibboleth> blkid /dev/sda1
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1157[18:10:31] <shibboleth> will output the uuid
1158[18:10:46] <shibboleth> UUID="1234-ABCD" /boot/efi vfat umask=0077 0 1
1159[18:11:00] <shibboleth> UUID=1234-ABCD /boot/efi vfat umask=0077 0 1
1160[18:11:09] <shibboleth> substitute the dummy UUID for yours
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1162[18:11:26] <shibboleth> also: don't run with scissors
1163[18:11:50] <bigMouthCommie> aha. done
1164[18:11:53] <shibboleth> ok
1165[18:11:54] <bigMouthCommie> and the grub install
1166[18:11:57] <annadane> incidental question about fstab - must you use tabs or can you individually space it?
1167[18:11:59] <shibboleth> apt-get update has finished?
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1169[18:12:08] <bigMouthCommie> yea.
1170[18:12:14] <shibboleth> apt-get install grub-*** has finished?
1171[18:12:17] <bigMouthCommie> yep
1172[18:12:20] <shibboleth> ok
1173[18:12:32] <shibboleth> grub-install /dev/sda1
1174[18:12:35] <mspe> annadane, both work
1175[18:13:07] <bigMouthCommie> installation finished. no error reported
1176[18:13:10] <shibboleth> good
1177[18:13:13] <shibboleth> update-grub2
1178[18:13:36] <shibboleth> finsihed?
1179[18:13:38] <shibboleth> finihed
1180[18:13:42] <shibboleth> urgh
1181[18:13:45] <shibboleth> finished
1182[18:13:46] <bigMouthCommie> done
1183[18:13:50] <shibboleth> update-initramfs -u -k all
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1185[18:14:17] <bigMouthCommie> generating
1186[18:14:32] <shibboleth> paste the output from the last three
1187[18:14:47] <shibboleth> install, update-grub2, update-initramfs
1188[18:14:53] <bigMouthCommie> last command still hanging
1189[18:14:57] <bigMouthCommie> oh done.
1190[18:14:58] <bigMouthCommie> :D
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1192[18:16:39] <shibboleth> paste?
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1194[18:17:03] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
1195[18:17:25] <shibboleth> ok, also paste the output of efibootmgr
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1197[18:17:55] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
1198[18:18:14] <shibboleth> lovely
1199[18:18:21] <shibboleth> now, a reboot should in theory land you in grub
1200[18:18:34] <shibboleth> but
1201[18:18:37] <shibboleth> first
1202[18:18:41] <shibboleth> do the following:
1203[18:18:53] <shibboleth> ctrl+d inside the terminal
1204[18:19:07] <bigMouthCommie> to kill chroot
1205[18:19:11] <shibboleth> you should now be outside the chroot
1206[18:19:13] <shibboleth> mhm
1207[18:19:18] <shibboleth> unmount /mnt/boot/efi
1208[18:19:19] <shibboleth> unmount /mnt/boot/
1209[18:19:22] <shibboleth> unmount /mnt/dev/pts
1210[18:19:23] <shibboleth> unmount /mnt/dev/
1211[18:19:25] <shibboleth> unmount /mnt/proc
1212[18:19:28] <shibboleth> unmount /mnt/sys
1213[18:19:30] <shibboleth> unmount /mnt/
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1217[18:19:55] <shibboleth> debhelper, turing test not passed
1218[18:20:01] <bigMouthCommie> shibboleth: /mnt/dev target is busy
1219[18:20:13] <shibboleth> unmount /mnt/dev/pts
1220[18:20:15] <shibboleth> first
1221[18:20:19] <bigMouthCommie> whoopz
1222[18:20:47] <bigMouthCommie> /mnt/sys target busy
1223[18:20:57] <shibboleth> could be efivars
1224[18:21:04] <shibboleth> no biggie
1225[18:21:07] <shibboleth> reboot
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1228[18:21:21] <mspe> or umoubt --lazy
1229[18:21:39] <mspe> s/b/n
1230[18:21:53] <bigMouthCommie> ok. i have efi boot, but win isn't listed
1231[18:22:01] <shibboleth> yeah, we won't bre breaking anything by not umounting first anyway
1232[18:22:09] <shibboleth> i know
1233[18:22:11] <shibboleth> boot debian
1234[18:22:15] <bigMouthCommie> onice. it's comin up
1235[18:22:38] <shibboleth> once booted, make sure /boot and /boot/efi is mounted
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1238[18:22:57] <shibboleth> ls -al /boot/efi/*
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1240[18:24:09] <shibboleth> and?
1241[18:24:39] <bigMouthCommie> sorry. i was waiting for autologin but i guess i did'nt config that.... now i'ts running me through first boot stuff (set up xfce panel etc...)
1242[18:24:55] <shibboleth> ah
1243[18:24:57] <shibboleth> anyway
1244[18:25:04] <shibboleth> once it's all set up, do the following:
1245[18:25:19] <shibboleth> make sure /boot and /boot/efi is mounted
1246[18:25:24] <bigMouthCommie> ls shows boot, debian and microsoft
1247[18:25:24] <shibboleth> sudo update-grub2
1248[18:25:40] <shibboleth> there should be a line about finding bootmgr
1249[18:25:43] <shibboleth> paste output
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1251[18:26:43] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
1252[18:27:02] <shibboleth> alright
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1254[18:27:11] <shibboleth> now, you can either boot windows by selecting it in grub
1255[18:27:12] <shibboleth> OR
1256[18:27:18] <shibboleth> hammer f11 at bios splash
1257[18:27:27] <bigMouthCommie> dood
1258[18:27:29] <bigMouthCommie> you are amazing
1259[18:27:29] <shibboleth> and select windows boot manager isntead of debian
1260[18:27:37] <bigMouthCommie> i was PLANNING to run two new installs today
1261[18:27:43] <shibboleth> well, all my peers think i'm a fucking idiot
1262[18:27:47] <cleifer> mentioned the chromium package being f-d earlier. looks like 2 bug reports are already filed, #964161 and #964167
1263[18:27:48] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1265[18:28:08] <bigMouthCommie> holy fuck i'm going to do a dance
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1267[18:28:33] <cleifer> at the bottom it mentions "No longer marked as found in versions chromium/83.0.4103.116-2" - does that mean it's been resolved?
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1269[18:30:54] <shibboleth> like... with increasing frequency my interactions with other ppl give me the impression that either i'm an order of magnitude less intelligent than whatever rando i'm interacting with and can't make myself understood or vice versa
1270[18:31:26] <shibboleth> while, at the same time being able to what we just spent an hour on in two minutes flat while drunk
1271[18:31:45] <bigMouthCommie> shibboleth: we did have some problems communicating earlier. maybe it's just english syntax.
1272[18:31:47] <shibboleth> i blame cellhpnes and radiation
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1276[18:34:04] <bigMouthCommie> i know this is really off topic, but why did you say ew about my e525, shibboleth
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1278[18:34:55] <shibboleth> bigMouthCommie, i wasn't referring to you. you're on irc and using linux
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1280[18:35:02] <shibboleth> that's not the shallow end of the pool
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1282[18:35:58] <shibboleth> more like... i can't fucking buy shoes without ending up having to make a voodoo doll of the salesperson afterwards
1283[18:36:10] <shibboleth> bigMouthCommie, because
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1285[18:36:22] <shibboleth> the e-series is.... thinkpad-ish
1286[18:36:55] <shibboleth> thinkpad= t-series, p-series (arguably w-series)
1287[18:37:08] <shibboleth> e-series is... well. whatever floats your boat
1288[18:37:11] <shibboleth> :)
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1292[18:41:14] <shibboleth> x-series if you *really* need a tiny screen+keyboard
1293[18:41:59] <shibboleth> like, the e-series came with 1366x768 panels
1294[18:42:04] <shibboleth> 'nuff said
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1303[18:54:11] <GGuest91> shibboleth:
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1305[18:55:28] <shibboleth> yeah?
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1315[19:11:42] <MySecondNick> Hello guys! I am trying to install WINE (replaced-url
1316[19:11:42] <MySecondNick> installed. You can see the output log here: replaced-url
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1318[19:13:03] <annadane> MySecondNick, you need libfaudio, you can see that on winehq's instructions
1319[19:13:28] <annadane> "The WineHQ packages for Debian 10 and later require libfaudio0 as a dependency. Since the distro does not provide it for Debian 10, users of that version can download libfaudio0 packages from the OBS. See replaced-url
1320[19:14:21] <annadane> now, i don't know about lutris, whether you strictly need the newer WINE or not
1321[19:14:30] <annadane> it's possible you can just install debian's
1322[19:14:43] <MySecondNick> annadane yes, this package that I tried to install (libpango-1.0-0:i386) was a dependency I needed for installing the libfaudio from the .deb file
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1324[19:15:16] <MySecondNick> So my libfaudio had some unmet dependencies which led to libpango-1.0-0:i386
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1327[19:16:01] <annadane> no, what you should do is download both amd64 and i386 versions of libfaudio and apt install /path/to/libfaudio/.versions.deb (note the period after the slash) and it should resolve the dependencies
1328[19:16:53] <annadane> alternatively, ask ##winehq, because i don't know whether you need the newest wine for lutris or not
1329[19:17:01] <annadane> sorry, #winehq
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1332[19:17:55] <MySecondNick> annadane I probably downloaded the wrong files then. From replaced-url
1333[19:18:05] <annadane> so if your file path is /home/MySecondNick/libfaudio-amd64.deb then apt install /home/MySecondNick/.libfaudio-amd64.deb
1334[19:18:24] <annadane> MySecondNick, no, that looks correct
1335[19:19:52] <annadane> you need to do it twice, for amd64 and i386
1336[19:19:55] <MySecondNick> annadane I was in my Downloads folder and used this to install the amd64 version: sudo apt install ./libfaudio0_20.01-0~buster_amd64.deb
1337[19:19:57] <annadane> the apt install step
1338[19:20:12] <annadane> MySecondNick, try the i386 version first, then
1339[19:20:29] <annadane> and also make sure multiarch is enabled
1340[19:20:42] <annadane> i assume you already did dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt update
1341[19:21:00] <MySecondNick> annadane my dpkg --print-architecture prints only amd64
1342[19:21:10] <MySecondNick> but I did the --add-architecture command
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1344[19:21:26] <annadane> okay, so apt update, and try with the i386 libfaudio first
1345[19:22:14] <MySecondNick> annadane so I have to delete libfaudio amd64 version first? How can I do that?
1346[19:22:41] <annadane> no, you probably don't need to remove any packages, as that one didn't install due to conflicting dependencies
1347[19:22:48] <annadane> just try with i386 and see if you run into any problems
1348[19:23:08] <MySecondNick> annadane yes, I run into dependency problems
1349[19:23:15] <MySecondNick> but my apt update also doesn't end cleanly
1350[19:23:25] <annadane> can you paste the output to paste.debian.net?
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1355[19:26:32] <MySecondNick> annadane here you go: replaced-url
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1357[19:27:53] <annadane> oh... um.
1358[19:28:18] <annadane> btw as a general rule, don't add PPAs to debian
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1360[19:28:22] <annadane> that tends to break installs
1361[19:28:35] <MySecondNick> annadane so what do I have to do?
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1363[19:29:00] <annadane> well, i'm looking at it
1364[19:30:06] <annadane> i have i386 enabled and print-architecture also gives me 'amd64', so that's not the issue, you've done it with sudo
1365[19:31:40] <annadane> does anyone else have any ideas? i wonder if you might try apt install -f
1366[19:32:38] <annadane> ,v libavcodec58
1367[19:32:39] <judd> Package: libavcodec58 on amd64 -- buster: 7:4.1.4-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7:4.1.4-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 7:4.3-2; sid: 7:4.3-3; buster-multimedia: 10:4.1.5-dmo1+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 10:4.3-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 10:4.3-dmo5
1368[19:33:11] <annadane> ,v libsdl2-2.0-0
1369[19:33:12] <judd> Package: libsdl2-2.0-0 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.2+dfsg1-6; jessie-security: 2.0.2+dfsg1-6+deb8u2; stretch: 2.0.5+dfsg1-2; buster: 2.0.9+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 2.0.12+dfsg1-1; sid: 2.0.12+dfsg1-1
1370[19:34:27] <annadane> alternatively, see what happens if you try installing libsdl2-2.0-0, either amd64 or i386 (apt install libsdl2-2.0-0:i386 to install from an arch other than amd64), sometimes the reason i386 packages won't install is because the corresponding amd64 package isn't installed and vice versa
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1372[19:34:45] <annadane> that seems like a weak point in the dependency chain you may be able to start from
1373[19:36:04] <MySecondNick> annadane I just asked on #lutris if it's OK to use WINE 4.0.2. (the default Debian 10 Buster version)
1374[19:36:07] <MySecondNick> ,v wine
1375[19:36:08] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; bullseye: 5.0-4; sid: 5.0-4
1376[19:36:26] <MySecondNick> if that's OK, then I won't go through these torments
1377[19:36:43] <annadane> with a few PPA repos then that may also be a source of dependency issues
1378[19:36:44] <annadane> !ppa
1379[19:36:44] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
1380[19:36:54] <annadane> !why not use a ppa
1381[19:36:54] <dpkg> PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>.
1382[19:37:04] <annadane> that's not really helpful, but anyway
1383[19:37:08] <jim> Hi, does someone have an understanding of how the kernel chooses a driver from a pci device with a pciid?
1384[19:37:57] <MySecondNick> annadane running "apt install libsdl2-2.0-0:i386" still runs into a dependency issue
1385[19:38:07] <MySecondNick> guess I'll wait for the guys at #lutris to respond
1386[19:38:11] <MySecondNick> thank you for your time annadane
1387[19:38:28] <annadane> winehq may also know the source of your issues
1388[19:38:53] <MySecondNick> annadane will check them out as well, thank you
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1395[19:53:25] <|Psych0|> I'm stuck on "scanning the mirror" during the install (deb.debian.org), I can ping it
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1397[19:54:43] <|Psych0|> First try I let it run for a hour, now I restarted the installation process and seems to be the same
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1401[20:00:50] <sney> |Psych0|: try a different mirror, deb.debian.org uses a cdn which might behave strangely on some connections. you can also press alt-f4 in the installer (ctrl-alt-f4 in the graphical interface) to see the info console for more specific errors
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1404[20:03:20] <|Psych0|> It never gave me issues in probably a hundreed of installs, but I'll try a different one anyways, thanks
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1415[20:13:31] <|Psych0|> yeah you are right, ftp.us worked, I've been using that mirror like forever, never had issues before
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1430[20:24:29] <archaeopter> Hello! I just installed debian 10.4 firmware and it doesnt start kde and it doesnt have usermod for me to even attempt to isntall something else. Help?
1431[20:25:06] <archaeopter> and startx is faulty too
1432[20:25:23] <archaeopter> Wtf?
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1435[20:27:58] <ectospasm> archaeopter: You sure usermod just isn't in your path? For me on Debian `type usermod` returns /usr/sbin/usermod
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1438[20:28:34] <ectospasm> /usr/sbin probably isn't in your path
1439[20:28:38] <ectospasm> PATH variable
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1442[20:32:54] <archaeopter> What?
1443[20:33:29] <sney> !sbin
1444[20:33:30] <dpkg> Some binaries, particularly system utilities are installed to /sbin or /usr/sbin rather than /bin or /usr/bin. The former directories are not in a standard user's PATH. Try calling them directly, e.g. /sbin/ifconfig, or running them as root.
1445[20:33:37] <benyoo> I run su and now always when I login as root I type like its a textbox... can run any commands
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1447[20:36:48] <archaeopter> forgot su
1448[20:36:49] <archaeopter> lol
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1450[20:37:04] <benyoo> it was a mistake
1451[20:37:04] <archaeopter> thx
1452[20:37:05] <archaeopter> haha
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1468[20:53:02] <archaeopter> How is this bug not fixed lmao
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1470[20:53:45] <sney> what bug?
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1475[20:59:05] <annadane> it's not a bug
1476[20:59:10] <annadane> it's just a difference in the way it behaves
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1481[21:01:05] <annadane> !su
1482[21:01:05] <dpkg> extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin (see <buster su>). It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su".
1483[21:01:19] <annadane> aww, the mini-rant was removed
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1485[21:02:08] <ectospasm> su requires the root password, which may not always be set.
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1488[21:02:55] <annadane> oh, sorry. i can't read
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1493[21:11:49] <GGuest91> su > sudo
1494[21:12:11] <GGuest91> su -c "..." = sudo "..."
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1497[21:14:01] <benyoo> well but I can do anything if I game back to the server
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1499[21:15:14] <archaeopter> Bug where i install kde and am greeted by console
1500[21:15:49] <miskatonic> konsole?
1501[21:16:01] <sney> that sounds more like you didn't have a network connection during the install, so you just got the base system from the netinst
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1522[21:37:24] <archaeopter> I had the dvd and it was connected
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1524[21:38:05] <archaeopter> i just install lmde for my mom so she doesnt have to live with that bullshit
1525[21:38:09] <archaeopter> *installed
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1573[22:15:46] <Razva> is there any way to edit the network config while installing? I need to do a netinstall (can't install the DVD/CD version, only netinstall, because reasons) but I need to set the MTU in order for the network to work properly.
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1576[22:17:35] <sney> you can get to a shell via (ctrl)alt-f2, I don't remember exactly which network tools are in the installer environment but it may be doable
1577[22:18:03] <sney> otherwise, using a livecd and debootstrap may be your best option
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1582[22:20:18] <nvz> Razva: it does that automatically
1583[22:20:28] <nvz> you cant NOT edit network config with a netinst
1584[22:21:00] <Razva> I need to set MTU to 1400, mandatory, while doing the install
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1598[22:31:05] <nvz> b
1599[22:31:18] <nvz> Razva: did you need to know how to do it specifically or was your qeustion answered with how to get a shell?
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1640[23:26:02] <JustTheDoctor> is there a sha256 command (not sha256sum
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1648[23:29:22] <misterhat> what's wrong with sha256sum JustTheDoctor
1649[23:29:26] <misterhat> what do you want it to do
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1653[23:30:00] <JustTheDoctor> im following a tutorial type thing and it says to do sha256 "Text Here" to get a string and when i do i get "Text Here" no such file or folder
1654[23:30:21] <JustTheDoctor> err when i do sha256sum *
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1657[23:31:18] <misterhat> echo "content" | sha256sum
1658[23:31:25] <misterhat> or run it without arguments, type in the content and press ctrl + d
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1664[23:35:04] <JustTheDoctor> oh ok
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1668[23:36:59] <JustTheDoctor> that worked, is there a command pubkey?
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1688[23:53:23] <metbsd> debian testing
1689[23:53:33] <metbsd> amdgpu screen tearing
1690[23:53:37] <metbsd> is there a fix
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