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5[00:03:09] <dtcrshr> :(
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26[00:13:26] <wuffi600> hi
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32[00:15:38] <wuffi600> is there an interactive firewall system
that let's me decide ad-hoc what to allow/deny when a process
tries to open a connection using certain protocol/port/destination?
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45[00:20:39] <jmcnaught> tortib: teraflops: i use libvirt/KVM
quite a bit on Debian. You only need to be added to the libvirt
group, not libvirt-qemu. Also changing permissions/owner on anything
in /dev should not be necessary. If it's slow, I suspect that
KVM acceleration is not actually working
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51[00:22:31] <jmcnaught> tortib: "virsh -c qemu:///system
dumpxml VM_NAME_HERE", the first line should say
"<domain type='kvm' id='3'> (or some
other number)
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53[00:23:21] <teraflops> jmcnaught: yeah just needed to add the
user to the group. I was curious and I set it up inside of qemu
(debian jessie guest)
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57[00:24:32] <jmcnaught> teraflops: ahh.. i'm not sure if
the KVM in jessie supports virtualization in virtualized guests, but
libvirt can definitely manage non-KVM qemu instances (and LXC, and
others)
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61[00:25:44] <teraflops> jmcnaught: yeah it does I guess
it's slow since is nested, but it's fine for testing
things I suppose
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64[00:26:27] <jmcnaught> but as far as getting libvirt+KVM
working, on jessie, it's basically just install libvirt-daemon,
and add a user to the libvirt group
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68[00:27:15] <jmcnaught> teraflops: makes sense it would be
slow like that, but there might be some virt-inside-virt that can be
done, or maybe in newer kernel/libvirt
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72[00:29:40] <jmcnaught> libvirt can also manage virtualbox and
xen guests, but i'm not sure how common that is
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80[00:31:52] <teraflops> hmm virtualbox can do kvm if I
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99[00:39:55] <cwong_on_irc> is there a patch for the
imagemagick vulnerability available?
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103[00:40:59] <markybob> cwong_on_irc: that's been fixed
for a while
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104[00:41:19] <markybob> cwong_on_irc:
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108[00:42:27] <cwong_on_irc> markybob: not this one?
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111[00:44:26] <markybob> cwong_on_irc no because debian
doesn't have those versions
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112[00:44:43] <cwong_on_irc> ah.
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117[00:45:13] <jmcnaught>
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119[00:45:34] <jmcnaught> there are some new CVEs from this week
that don't have patches yet
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139[00:55:30] <follinge> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY follinge
cupogold
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142[00:55:47] <markybob> that's a shame
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143[00:55:48] <dTal> hoho burn!
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145[00:56:27] <TomTomTosch> follinge: you might want to do that
in the status tab next time and change your password.
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146[00:56:48] <follinge> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER follinge
fobshxsryikl
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147[00:56:55] <markybob> damn
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148[00:56:56] <dTal> *facepalm*
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149[00:57:03] <qeni> lol :D
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150[00:57:05] <markybob> follinge: stop using a space before /
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152[00:57:15] <follinge> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY follinge
cupogold
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153[00:57:18] <markybob> and do what TomTomTosch suggested
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154[00:58:51] <cwong_on_irc> spam ^^
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155[00:59:19] <dTal> to what possible end?
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157[01:00:00] <TomTomTosch> comic relief?
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160[01:01:02] <dTal> or a honeypot to draw out the unscrupulous?
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170[01:04:03] <kus> sorry if you mentioned me and I didn't
respond. I was afk
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175[01:10:36] <cerebro_> any idea how I can pass and
"enter"/return to a script via the cli? (yes doesn't
seem to support this)
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181[01:11:35] <Habitual> I'm too paranoid for honeypots.
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211[01:24:57] <locrian9> Can someone help me with some steps to
create a bootable install USB (.iso) of
"debian-40r9-i386-netinst.iso"? I've got the .iso
downloaded, but either "cp" or "dd" commands
aren't working.
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213[01:26:21] <locrian9> Followed through this video, but my HP
Proliant server just sits at "Attempting Boot From Hard Drive
(C:)"...
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214[01:26:45] <locrian9>
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215[01:26:56] <frostschutz> locrian9, do you have a bootloader
that works on this box? then you could grab the netinst pxe
kernel/initrd and boot that using the bootloader you already have
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217[01:27:47] <markybob> locrian9: type the exact dd command you
used. and why such an old version?
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221[01:29:14] <locrian9> frostschutz: I'll search through
google to see if there's a bootloader on this HP Proliant
server. It would probably show the bootloader in BIOS, right?
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232[01:31:14] <locrian9> markybob: I used "dd if=/dev/sdb
of=/mnt/usbstick status = progress". The version is required by
some manufacturer.
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233[01:31:25] <markybob> locrian9: you did it wrong
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237[01:32:28] <jhutchins> locrian9: I don't think
we're clear about what a bootloader is.
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239[01:32:38] <frostschutz> locrian9, uh, no. and you mean cp
some.iso /dev/usbstick? (which may be sdb but you should check fdisk
-l or similar)
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240[01:32:39] <markybob> locrian9: dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdb
bs=4M; sync
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241[01:32:53] <markybob> locrian9: no mounting
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246[01:33:35] <markybob> locrian9: if it's mounted, umount
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248[01:33:56] <frostschutz> it will overwrite your stick so any
other data on it will be *poof* gone
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249[01:34:12] <locrian9> markybob: Yes, I'll try that
format out.
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250[01:34:29] <markybob> frostschutz: stop with the cp stuff.
won't work with etch iso
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251[01:34:45] <markybob> locrian9: you still didn't answer
why such an old release
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252[01:34:45] <jhutchins> markybob: Sure it will.
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255[01:35:46] <locrian9> The version is required by some
manufacturer that has some SNMP manager that they're holding
onto for some reason.
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262[01:36:22] <locrian9> markybob: I'm just trying to be
compliant with them.
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attempt live now, and report back.
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293[01:44:55] <locrian9> markybob: So far so good. Here's
the terminal output:
replaced-url
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294[01:45:32] <markybob> jhutchins: how do you figure? debian
didn't switch to hybrid iso's back then
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296[01:46:04] <markybob> locrian9: you know there's no
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297[01:46:26] <locrian9> markybob: Yes, this server just sits on
a LAN.
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299[01:47:03] <locrian9> markybob: Now I'm going to try to
boot the USB from BIOS...
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302[01:47:33] <markybob> locrian9: looks good
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308[01:48:13] <locrian9> Proliant BIOS sreen shot... Array
controller starting...
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311[01:48:30] <locrian9> two beeps...
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323[01:50:00] <locrian9> Attempting Boot from USB DriveKey
(C:)... Attempting Boot From Hard Drive (C:).... Attempting Boot
from NIC ... Non System Disk Error... Replace and strike any key.
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324[01:50:22] <locrian9> There's another USB port on the
back of the server. Let me try that one.
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325[01:51:04] <Habitual> F12 on Proliant pre-POST does what?
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329[01:53:16] <locrian9> Habitual: On this server (HSTNS-2115)
the F9 key gets you into BIOS. F12 just beeps at me.
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331[01:53:44] * Habitual was guessing. It's been 15 years since
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336[01:54:16] <locrian9> Habitual: Looks like before POST, the
F12 key lets you do PXE boot (whatever that is).
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339[01:55:27] <markybob> locrian9: a couple things. that server
is 64-bit. so you probably shouldn't be using i386. second,
netinst probably won't work since it's in archive. third,
it probably uses uefi. etch doesn't support that.
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341[01:55:35] <Habitual> IDK about "that", but I found
replaced-url
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345[01:56:58] <podre> locrian9, where are you creating this
bootable thumb drive? does the system have a GUI? if so, why not
using a GUI tool to create it and check the things markybob told you
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348[01:58:27] <locrian9> markybob: Yes, I'll look through
those suggestions. Thanks!
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349[01:58:39] <markybob> locrian9:
replaced-url
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356[01:59:45] <locrian9> podre: I'm creating this with my
Arch linux box. I tried "unetbootin" but had some issues
with missing files.
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357[02:00:07] <markybob> !unetbootin
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358[02:00:07] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
replaced-url
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359[02:00:08] <markybob> never use that
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367[02:01:57] <podre> locrian9, I personally prefer YUMI or
ImageWriter, but it's been a while I don't mess up with
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383[02:07:02] <locrian9> markybob: Yep, I'm now convinced
this is 64-bit. So I'll download that iso link you've
provided and give this another shot.
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385[02:08:06] <markybob> locrian9: you need to also check your
bios and make sure you're not using uefi. some machines have an
option to switch to "legacy" mode. you need that.
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390[02:12:17] <locrian9> Looks like the server is a generation 5
server
replaced-url
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391[02:12:36] <markybob> locrian9: oh that's good. you have
a chance ;)
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430[02:29:20] <cassimiro> [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl
port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667
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c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t .
cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port:
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431[02:29:20] <ValleDeChara19> [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl
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[ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server
irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t
c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t .
cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port:
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432[02:29:20] <cassimiro> [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl
port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667
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[ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server
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c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t .
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Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [
server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc
. n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h
a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl
port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667
by Ragnar - [
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437[02:29:22] <ValleDeChara19> [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl
port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667
by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar -
[ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server
irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t
c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t .
cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port:
6667 by Ragn
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438[02:29:23] <ValleDeChara19> [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl
port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667
by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar -
[ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server
irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t
c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t .
cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port:
6667 by Ragn
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439[02:29:23] <ValleDeChara19> [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl
port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667
by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar -
[ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server
irc . n e t c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t
c h a t . cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t .
cl port: 6667 by Ragnar - [ server irc . n e t c h a t . cl port:
6667 by Ragn
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441[02:29:40] <awwal> shit
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446[02:31:06] <awwal> So /var/mail/USER can be removed safely
and will be generated automatically by the system when needed or
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447[02:31:18] <aypea[1]> yup
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450[02:31:52] <aypea[1]> dir should be 2775 group-owned by mail
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454[02:33:18] <aypea[1]> file. removing the dir might lead to
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456[02:33:24] <markybob> don't touch the directory
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460[02:34:14] <awwal> aypea[1], markybob, ok, thanks for your
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467[02:35:32] <awwal> my USER var mail file is like 2 years old
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469[02:35:53] <aypea[1]> mutt may be able to open it and allow
you to delete a subset of the msgs
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476[02:38:05] <awwal> ok, will try with mutt. but i think cat
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478[02:40:14] <aypea[1]> but they wont let you delete stuff :)
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650[03:31:49] <locrian9> markybob: Here's that iso
downloaded and block written to the USB
replaced-url
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651[03:32:02] <locrian9> markybob: I'll give this another
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657[03:38:18] <locrian9> Attempting Boot from USB DriveKey
(C:)... Attempting Boot From Hard Drive (C:).... Attempting Boot
from NIC ... Non System Disk Error... Replace and strike any key.
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658[03:38:34] <locrian9> markybob: Same error...
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659[03:38:55] <locrian9> markybob: I'm going to try the USB
port on the back of the server...
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668[03:44:43] <lcfrs_> hi has anyone seen messages like these?
--> Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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671[03:47:08] <jmcnaught> locrian9: i think you're trying
an ancient installer from before Debian used hybrid ISOs. You should
refer to the install guide from that era:
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672[03:48:01] * dvs pulls out some blank CDs
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682[03:56:45] <locrian9> jmcnaught: Did you want to have some
fun and ready through this with me?
replaced-url
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684[03:57:12] <plasmoduck> spotify: error while loading shared
libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory
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687[03:58:24] <alexertech> Hi! I'm trying to get atftpd
working on my debian jessie but the command doesn't do anything
at all ... Something in special I should look ?
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688[03:58:53] <podre> plasmoduck, perhaps you need to install
libssl libraries
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690[03:59:04] <dvs> locrian9, what's there to read? Section
4.3.1. That's it.
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692[04:01:06] <markybob> alexertech: the command isn't
supposed to do anything. it's started as needed via inetd (when
someone connects)
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693[04:01:32] <plasmoduck> podre, libssl1.0.2 is already the
newest version (1.0.2g-2).
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698[04:03:00] <podre> plasmoduck, seems that spotify is seeking
for 1.0.0, have you tried installing libssl-dev as well?
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700[04:03:29] <alexertech> markybob, well this one: atftpd -v
--daemon --port 69 /tftp ... never works, even when someone is
connecting
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706[04:06:09] <locrian9> dvs: Where is the
"boot.img.gz" file located?
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707[04:06:31] <dvs> locrian9, the same place where you got the
iso
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712[04:08:01] <plasmoduck> podre, yes i have
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716[04:11:49] <podre> plasmoduck, you could try to download the
package and install it manually
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717[04:11:50] <jmcnaught> plasmoduck: which release of Debian
are you using? Spotify was probably compiled for Jessie which has
that version of libssl. If you are on stretch you probably need to
install the libssl1.0.0 package from Jessie
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718[04:12:00] <podre> which debian version are you usin there?
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720[04:12:30] <plasmoduck> Im not sure how do I check
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721[04:12:51] <markybob> plasmoduck: lsb_relase -a
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722[04:13:01] <markybob> lsb_release*
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725[04:14:04] <locrian9> dvs: I'm in the "amd64/"
directory off this mirror, but can't find the
"boot.img.gz" there. Can you take a quick look?
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726[04:14:16] <locrian9>
replaced-url
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728[04:14:31] <plasmoduck> Stretch
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729[04:14:51] <markybob> !debian-next
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730[04:14:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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731[04:14:57] <markybob> plasmoduck: go there.
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732[04:15:13] <plasmoduck> Thanks
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733[04:15:31] <jmcnaught> plasmoduck: if you're not sure
how to check which release you're using or how to solve this
kind of problem, you should consider using Debian Stable instead,
just saying
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734[04:15:48] <markybob> agreed
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735[04:16:14] <plasmoduck> jmcnaught,the software is too old in
stable.
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740[04:17:19] <jmcnaught> plasmoduck: too old for what? it also
works and isn't a moving target. stretch isn't just newer
versions, it's also under development and bound to have
problems
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744[04:17:34] <dvs> locrian9, there's suppose to be a
"hd-media" directory which contains that file.
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757[04:21:47] <ecom> I'm getting the error "Failed to
connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed" when trying to connect to
bluetooth. I loaded the pulse-bluetooth module, installed
bluez-firmware, bluetooth, and all other necessary components.
What's causing the error?
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759[04:23:00] <locrian9> dvs: Yes! I found it!
replaced-url
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761[04:23:29] <n_blownapart> hi could anyone help me compile a
usb wireless antennae on jessie 8 ? I'm getting errors while
running make at 4) in the directions here :
replaced-url
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762[04:23:38] <n_blownapart> driver* that is
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769[04:26:17] <n_blownapart> the company told me to not add
"blacklist rt2800usb" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
(which is fbdev-blacklist.conf) on my system. ^
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773[04:29:02] <Javabean> n_blownapart: copy&paste the error
to paste.debian.net and then post the link here
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776[04:30:21] <n_blownapart> Javabean, thanks one sec
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778[04:31:07] <Javabean> oh no, i can't help... but those
that can will be better able to once they stick their heads back
into the room
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779[04:32:55] <n_blownapart> ok thanks Javabean here it is on
another paste bin the errors read at the end of this output :
replaced-url
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782[04:34:20] <Javabean> n_blownapart: are you on debian?
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787[04:35:16] <markybob> n_blownapart: why are you asking us
about fedora?
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788[04:35:36] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: /etc/modprobe.d/ is a
directory you can put multiple blacklist files, each with a name
that makes sense for its purpose. also are you sure that the Debian
kernel doesn't already support this device and simply needs a
firmware?
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789[04:35:50] <n_blownapart> no markybob I was told this would
work on jessie 8 , sans the blacklist addition
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790[04:35:54] <ecom> I get the error saying "Failed to
connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed". I checked the journalctl and
the only error I see is that the "Not enough free handles to
register service" and dmesg shows no errors with bluetooth.
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791[04:36:45] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, I think it is supported
PnP but how do I get the firmware ? I've been dealing with
non-native speaking tech support via email to no avail.
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792[04:37:39] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: when you plug the device
in, run "dmesg | grep -i firmware" and look for the file
it's failing to load
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793[04:38:04] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: also under whatever
edits you did to the files in /etc/modprobe.d. if you need to redo
them, make a new file in that directory
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794[04:39:27] <jmcnaught> ecom: i don't even have
bluetooth, but what kind of device is it? have you searched for the
model + linux on the web? which bluetooth profile is it supposed to
use?
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795[04:40:01] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, thanks trying that. I
have people on linux channel also helping. appreciate the patience
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797[04:41:14] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: oh well since
you're cross posting i'll let you work it out in ##linux
and maybe chime in there. it's rude to ask in multiple
channels, gets people to type stuff that has probably already been
suggested elsewhere
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798[04:42:19] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, sorry things were slow.
I agree please forgive me.
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799[04:42:38] <ecom> jmcnaught: it's a bluetooth speaker, I
did search for anyone trying to connect to the same model speaker,
but no one had made a post about it online. Right now, pairing says
it's successful and bluetoothctl says that it successfully
connected, then immediately it says "Connected: no"
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800[04:42:42] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, here is the output of
your suggested command :
replaced-url
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805[04:43:10] <locrian9> markybob: Working on doing what channel
user: 'dvs' suggested. I'm getting a 'bash:
/dev/sdb: Permission denied' when trying to do the 'sudo
zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb' command. Take a look at the
sequence:
replaced-url
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808[04:43:54] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: that firmware is in the
firmware-ralink package in non-free
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810[04:44:12] <locrian9> Do I need to chmod on my
'boot.img.gz' file?
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822[04:47:31] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, ok I have clearance to
stay here on debian. here is the output of lsmod as per linux
channel member suggestion , if you have time to view :
replaced-url
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823[04:48:10] <n_blownapart> that person said it should be very
easy to get the device working. jmcnaught
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824[04:48:13] <locrian9> Got to bolt... I'm logging the
room, so if you have a suggestion please post. Thanks.
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829[04:49:40] <markybob> locrian9: i don't know how to help
you further.
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830[04:49:42] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: once that firmware is
installed, the dmesg output should say something positive when it
gets plugged in
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831[04:50:08] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, thanks, let me look I
think there is a
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832[04:50:18] <n_blownapart> "non-free" listing in
there
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833[04:51:22] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: did you install that
package? There's also a wiki page for this device:
replaced-url
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835[04:52:03] <ecom> jmcnaught: do you know how to fix the error
of "Connection failure: Connection refused" when trying
"sudo pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover"?
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840[04:54:10] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, thanks kindly working on
it. please stand by
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842[04:55:47] <ecom> jmcnaught: I have no idea what happened.
Bluetooth is working all of a sudden now.
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843[04:56:07] <jmcnaught> ecom: not sure exactly.
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844[04:56:40] <jmcnaught> ecom: i have even less clue :) check
your command history, dmesg output, journalctl for clues to see what
happened just now
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846[04:57:08] <ecom> jmcnaught: I get exactly the same errors,
but this time bluetooth connected. Like the "sap driver
couldn't be loaded", but bluetooth still connected.
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847[04:57:21] <ecom> jmcnaught: I'm going to reboot and see
if I can connect again.
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849[04:57:33] <n_blownapart> in /etc/apt/sources.list does this
look correct jmcnaught ? deb
replaced-url
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851[04:58:05] <markybob> n_blownapart: no
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852[04:58:24] <markybob> !jessie sources.list
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853[04:58:24] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
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854[04:58:57] <markybob> n_blownapart: just add contrib and
non_free to the end after main
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856[04:59:06] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: the example on this page
is a little more readable:
replaced-url
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857[04:59:42] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: and like markybob says
you add non-free after main on each line
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861[05:00:49] <markybob> n_blownapart: yeah don't mind my
typo. non-free not non_free
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863[05:01:16] <n_blownapart> markybob, jmcnaught thanks kindly
working on it
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865[05:01:26] <locrian10> markybob: did that make sense about
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868[05:02:05] <markybob> locrian10: no. but i don't know
how to help you
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871[05:02:52] <ecom> jmcnaught: I get the same errors in
journalctl and dmesg. I also don't get bluetooth, but at least
we know now that it works, it's just that something is wrong.
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872[05:03:10] <dvs> locrian10, I'd try running it as root
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873[05:04:10] <jmcnaught> locrian10: any chance booting from a
USB cdrom is an option? Also is this server from the same era as the
ancient Debian you're installing? You might need to install at
least a newer kernel for hardware support, probably good to be
prepared for that
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876[05:05:04] <n_blownapart> markybob, jmcnaught hey should all
these entries have non-free and is this correct now ? :
replaced-url
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877[05:05:06] <jmcnaught> ecom: which desktop environment are
you using by the way?
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879[05:05:47] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: line 7 is not a Debian
repo, it's foreign and might not have a non-free section
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880[05:06:19] <ecom> jmcnaught: i'm not using a DE,
i'm using i3
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881[05:06:47] <locrian10> dvs: I don't have my pastebin
link in front of me at the moment. Did I not put sudo in front of
the command?
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882[05:07:01] <n_blownapart> ok thanks jmcnaught
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883[05:07:05] <dvs> locrian10, sometimes, sudo is not the same
thing
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885[05:07:39] <markybob> !tell n_blownapart about
dontbreakdebian
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886[05:07:47] <markybob> !tell n_blownapart about frankendebian
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887[05:07:52] <markybob> n_blownapart: things to keep in mind
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889[05:08:15] <locrian10> Yeah, I'll have to try
'su' as well.
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890[05:08:29] <ecom> Does anyone know how to find the debian
package that includes a certain command? For example, right now I
need to run the hidd command, but I don't know which package
that is in.
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891[05:08:42] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: jessie-backports has a
docker.io package too
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893[05:08:52] <n_blownapart> markybob, sorry please explain ..
is my sources.list wrong ?
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894[05:09:32] <n_blownapart> should I delete the docker stuff
I'm not using it.
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895[05:09:34] <n_blownapart> ?
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896[05:09:40] <jmcnaught> ecom: apt-file can do that
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898[05:10:50] <ecom> apt-file command not found?
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899[05:11:19] <jmcnaught> ecom: apt-get install apt-file, then
read its README
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906[05:16:24] <n_blownapart> can you guys check if my
sources.list looks right? I deleted the docker business.
replaced-url
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910[05:17:17] <n_blownapart> before I do : apt-get update
&& apt-get install firmware-ralink ^^
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911[05:17:26] <dvs> n_blownapart, line 1 should be
httpredir.debian.org also
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912[05:18:18] <ryouma> if i do rmadison or apt-cache policy, i
can find out what versions are available (well, usually; it
doesn't always get bckports). can i find the changelog from my
current version to any of the versions that are avilable?
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914[05:18:28] <jml2> n_blownapart,
replaced-url
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915[05:18:41] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: leaving the docker repo
there was probably best if you have packages installed from it (so
they get updated), it's just important to understand the risks
with foreign repos is all
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917[05:19:15] <n_blownapart> dvs thanks I changed it . thanks
jml2 looking at that. ok thanks jmcnaught I'll redo that later.
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921[05:22:47] <n_blownapart> so I did 'sudo apt-get update
&& apt-get install firmware-ralink' just now. jmcnaught
dvs markybob
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923[05:23:38] <locrian10> dvs: Did my command output error make
sense to you?
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924[05:23:50] <dvs> nope
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932[05:26:48] <n_blownapart> so I guess I still need to compile
the driver, or is this now plug n play after I added non-free
elements ? jmcnaught markybob ? thanks for being patient
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935[05:27:31] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: no need to compile the
driver. you probably just need to reinsert the device
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936[05:27:41] <jml2> sometimes different edition of modules are
not compatible with different releases of firmware
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937[05:28:01] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: compiling drivers from
source is a last resort on Debian, to be avoided if at all possible
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938[05:28:32] <n_blownapart> I can't get my system to find
my network under usb wifi
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939[05:28:46] <n_blownapart> after replugging in the device
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940[05:29:09] <markybob> n_blownapart: i might try the kernel
from jessie-backports and then rebooting
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941[05:29:22] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: how are you trying?
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942[05:29:37] <n_blownapart> try the kernel, what do you mean ?
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943[05:29:54] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: does /sbin/iwconfig list
it now?
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944[05:30:16] <markybob> n_blownapart: backports has a newer
kernel and a newer firmware-ralink
backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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945[05:30:36] <n_blownapart> I go to settings, network, click on
usb wifi and try to select a signal. thanks hold on getting
overwhelmed a bit.
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946[05:31:11] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: before trying the
backports kernel i would check dmesg output again, or see if
iwconfig lists the device
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947[05:32:07] <markybob> n_blownapart: i'm not against
jmcnaught
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948[05:32:48] <markybob> n_blownapart: but basically you add deb
replaced-url
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950[05:33:13] <n_blownapart> ok when I do /sbin/iwconfig where
would it be listed. I could send the output on a paste.
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951[05:33:24] <jmcnaught> actually for backports kernel that
firmware is in the firmware-misc-nonfree package now
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952[05:33:35] <markybob> oh okay
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954[05:33:57] <n_blownapart>
replaced-url
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956[05:34:39] <n_blownapart> so it should all be updated (no
need to do the backports install?
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957[05:34:55] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: so you have wlan0 and
wlan1. do you have more than one wifi device?
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960[05:35:24] <markybob> sorry add non-free to that backports
line
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962[05:36:02] <n_blownapart> well jmcnaught I was told the wifi
on my dell i3 machine is shit, so I went and bought this device
called a dongle, with an external antennae and usb wifi chip I guess
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964[05:36:33] <n_blownapart> so yeah do I need to turn off the
'PCI' wifi ?
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967[05:38:02] <n_blownapart> markybob, jmcnaught ^
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971[05:38:53] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: are you using
NetworkManager? at this point it should be able to see networks. you
could try restarting the NetworkManager service, or rebooting
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973[05:39:14] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: there's also
replaced-url
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975[05:40:00] <n_blownapart> sorry if I'm taxing you.
jmcnaught . how to restart networkManager ?
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977[05:40:45] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: "systemctl restart
NetworkManager"
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978[05:40:57] <n_blownapart> ok trying it thanks kindly\
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983[05:42:31] <smecin>
replaced-url
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985[05:42:57] <n_blownapart> gonna sign off while I reboot.
please hang on if you have time jmcnaught markybob thanks !
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1002[05:53:24] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, still struggling after
reboot markybob
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1005[05:57:15] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: what does "nmcli
device" say about wlan1?
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1007[05:58:03] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, unavailable
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1010[05:59:37] <n_blownapart>
replaced-url
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1011[05:59:40] <Yehai> !time
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1012[05:59:40] <dpkg> hmm... time is found on
replaced-url
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1013[05:59:50] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: if you reinsert the
device, "journalctl -b --since -2min" will show you
messages from the last 2 minutes
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1014[06:00:14] <n_blownapart> ok after reboot I did not reinsert
the device btw
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1018[06:00:52] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: after a reboot it should
not need to be reinserted, but we're interested in what clues
are in the logs after it's been inserted
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1019[06:01:15] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, "No journal files
were found"
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1020[06:01:59] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: journalctl needs to be
run as root, or a member of the adm group. The adm group has access
to logs in Debian
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1022[06:02:14] <n_blownapart> ok I'll try it.
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1025[06:02:52] <n_blownapart> oh I got plenty of output including
errors. one sec I'll post it jmcnaught
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1029[06:03:35] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell n_blownapart about
pastebinit
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1032[06:04:06] <n_blownapart>
replaced-url
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1033[06:04:08] <n_blownapart> bin?
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1036[06:04:22] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: with all the
pastebinning, that tool dpkg messaged you about will be helpful. for
example "journalctl --since -5min | pastebinit"
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1040[06:05:11] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: the pastebin you're
using is fine, but the lines are truncated in your paste, and
pastebinit makes it easier
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1044[06:05:57] <n_blownapart> strange actually the truncation was
like that on the output jmcnaught
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1049[06:10:12] <n_blownapart> sorry jmcnaught this looks better :
replaced-url
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1051[06:11:25] <n_blownapart> I wonder if I'm still having
trouble with trying to alter the blacklist file.
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1052[06:11:45] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: seems like it's
still not loading the firmware file. What do "dpkg -S
rt2870.bin" and "apt-cache policy firmware-ralink"
say?
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1054[06:12:03] <jml2> dpkg -S <full path>
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1055[06:12:03] <dpkg> There is no record of a <full path>
package
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1056[06:12:09] <n_blownapart> checking
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1059[06:13:49] <n_blownapart>
replaced-url
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1063[06:14:35] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: so you didn't
install the package?
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1064[06:15:16] <markybob> n_blownapart: you need to apt-get
install firmware-misc-nonfree
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1066[06:16:15] <jmcnaught> that would be for the backports
package, but i don't think n_blownapart actually installed
firmware-ralink for the stock kernel yet which is what we should try
first
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1067[06:16:45] <n_blownapart> hold on the command was apt-get
update && apt-get install firmware-ralink
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1068[06:16:58] <markybob> okay. i'm going to bed anyway.
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1069[06:17:06] <n_blownapart> thanks markybob
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1070[06:17:24] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: and check the output.
you can run them separately too
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1071[06:17:27] <jmcnaught> markybob: night
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1072[06:18:08] <n_blownapart> hold on I'll try update and
second and third commands this time
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1074[06:18:55] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: you probably don't
need to update at this point, just "apt-get install
firmware-ralink" since apt-cache policy sees a candidate
available
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1078[06:21:07] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, very sorry, please let
me show you what I just ran and it's output ...
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1079[06:21:54] <n_blownapart>
replaced-url
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1080[06:22:15] <n_blownapart> you can see I got and error
regarding 'malformed sources.list file'
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1081[06:22:18] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught,
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1082[06:22:49] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: && in bash is
logical and, so the second command only runs if the first command
runs without error
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1083[06:23:20] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: for now, just do
"apt-get install firmware-ralink", deal with the broken
chrome repo later
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1084[06:23:55] <n_blownapart> ok
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1086[06:25:21] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: it's important when
you run commands that you watch the output for errors. installing a
package will say that a package has been installed
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1088[06:25:31] <n_blownapart> two lines read Unpacking
firmware-ralink , Setting up firmware-ralink
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1089[06:26:23] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: now reinsert the device,
check "journalctl --since -2min" or dmesg output to see if
reports success of some sort
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1090[06:26:28] <n_blownapart> full output :
replaced-url
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1091[06:26:35] <n_blownapart> ok
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1096[06:28:42] <n_blownapart> looks better ? jmcnaught :
replaced-url
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1099[06:29:38] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: sure. what do you think?
does it work now?
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1101[06:30:15] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, let me sign off and
check it. really appreciate it
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1119[06:43:50] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, hi, the connection seems
better, but USB wifi say 'Not Connected" and PCI wifi says
the name of our home wifi
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1120[06:45:30] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: now that you finally
have the firmware installed, you should be able to use it with
NetworkManager
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1129[06:49:19] <n_blownapart> my signal strength is roughly 41 %
. jmcnaught It seems when I try to turn off my PCI wifi and turn on
the USB wifi it defaults back to the PCI
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1130[06:50:09] <jakew02> n_blownapart: are they using different
modules? You can just blacklist the module used by the pci wireless
card and kill it from boot altogether
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1132[06:50:46] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: or even simpler than
that, turn the PCI wifi off in the NetworkManager interface
you're using
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1133[06:51:13] <somiaj> even then, they should have presitance
interface names, wlan0, wlan1, etc. only configure the one youw ant
to use.
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1134[06:51:34] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, I'm reading about
having to log out of GNOME etc somiaj
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1135[06:51:44] <jakew02> That was my next suggestion^ although
being "clean" shouldn't you want to disable it
altogether so it's not even running to prevent logspam ?
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1136[06:52:12] <somiaj> n_blownapart: you shouldn't need to
logout of gnome to change network configuration
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1137[06:52:39] <somiaj> n_blownapart: if using network-manager,
just use the gui that comes with gnome. You shoudl be able to
configure which interface to use, etc
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1138[06:52:39] <n_blownapart> jakew02, I can't seem to turn
off the PCI wifi at all. It keeps turning back on. somiaj how to get
ui for network manager ?
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1139[06:53:10] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: are you in GNOME?
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1140[06:53:35] <somiaj> (could it be the pci, wlan0, is in the
interfaces file thus making it not controable from network-manager)
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1141[06:53:43] <jakew02> n_blownapart: ah. OK. That's why I
would suggest blacklisting the module for your pci card via modprobe
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1142[06:54:08] <jakew02> (I'm learning here too, btw)
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1143[06:54:09] <n_blownapart> geez what a cluster-fuck
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1145[06:54:32] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, yes I'm in Gnome
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1146[06:54:40] <somiaj> n_blownapart: maybe take a step back,
what do you use to configure your network?
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1147[06:55:11] <n_blownapart> somiaj, just the little pull down
arrow in upper right corner of screen
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1148[06:55:14] <somiaj> jakew02: that shouln't be needed.
Though it would work, it should be possible to correctly configure
what interface n_blownapart wants to use.
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1150[06:55:37] <somiaj> n_blownapart: okay, that is
network-manager, maybe you can get more info if you double click or
open up another ui.
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1151[06:55:58] <somiaj> n_blownapart: is both wlan0 and wlan1 (or
does nm call them something else) listedn in that drop down menu?
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1152[06:56:02] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: don't bother with
blacklisting. Go to the Settings > Network. There's a list
of connections when the PCI wifi is selected. Click the gear icon
beside the configured connection, Click on the "reset"
item in the sidebar, click on forget button
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1154[06:57:36] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, ok did that
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1155[06:57:37] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: when looking at the
connection details the "identity" section also has a
"connect automatically" checkbox
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1160[06:59:06] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, under the USB wifi,
there is no gear icon. and the gear icon for the PCI wifi is now
gone.
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1162[06:59:21] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: also the computer might
have a hardware switch to disable internal wifi
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1163[06:59:33] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: that gear icon is for
networks you've connected to before
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1164[06:59:52] <n_blownapart> hardware switch?
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1167[07:00:22] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: my laptop for example
has a switch to disable internal wifi
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1171[07:01:11] <somiaj> n_blownapart: run this command, 'cat
/etc/network/interfaces' -- do you see any other interface
besides 'lo' in the output, such as say wlan0?
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1172[07:01:20] <n_blownapart> ok
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1176[07:02:29] <n_blownapart> somiaj, it shows ' source
/etc/network/interfaces.d/*
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1177[07:02:29] <n_blownapart> # The loopback network interface
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1178[07:02:29] <n_blownapart> auto lo
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1179[07:02:29] <n_blownapart> iface lo inet loopback'
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use
replaced-url
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1183[07:03:50] <awwal> xD
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1186[07:04:32] <n_blownapart> sorry I was kicked off
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1187[07:04:34] <somiaj> n_blownapart: don't paste to the
channel, use paste.debian.net
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1188[07:04:45] <n_blownapart> somiaj, is this ok?
replaced-url
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1189[07:04:47] <somiaj> n_blownapart: anyways, were there many
more lines after 'iface lo inet loopback' -- don't
paste
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1192[07:05:50] <somiaj> n_blownapart: that is just what you
wanted. I was just double checking it wasn't messing with your
ability to control the interface with network-magner. jmcnaught
advise should allow you to disable the pci wifi interface (or just
not use it)
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1194[07:06:20] <n_blownapart> you mean a physical switch ? somiaj
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1195[07:06:42] <somiaj> n_blownapart: I was talking about the
using the network manager settings in gnome to disable the pci
interface
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1196[07:07:07] <somiaj> n_blownapart: sometimes that hardware
switch is a fn + key combo on the laptop, but some laptops do have a
switch on the side that turns off the wifi
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1197[07:07:12] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: not all computers have
them, it was just a suggestion. NetworkManager is opportunistic, so
when something becomes available it will use it (if it has before)
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1200[07:07:48] <n_blownapart> sorry I don't follow. what
should I do at this stage?
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1201[07:08:27] <n_blownapart> this is a dell tower with an i3
intel chip
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1202[07:08:59] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: only use the USB wifi if
that's what you want. If NetworkManager remembers connecting to
a network with the PCI wifi it will try to use that too, so you can
tell it to forget those connections with the steps i outlined above
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1204[07:10:48] <somiaj> looks like you can use the config line
"unmanaged-devices=mac:00:19:e0:57:86:af" (with the
correct mac address) in /etc/NetworkManger/NetowrkManager.conf to
have networkmanager completely ignore the device. Though I'm
surprised there isn't some 'on/off' switch in the nm
gui to not use the device.
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1206[07:11:38] <somiaj>
replaced-url
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1207[07:11:43] <jml2> you can also enable the ifupdown NM plugin
and set "auto <interface>" in interfaces
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1208[07:12:06] <jml2> that plugin is enabled by default in debian
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1209[07:12:33] <jml2> somiaj, ^
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1210[07:12:37] <jmcnaught> the NetworkManager GUI in GNOME does
have a "turn off" feature for interfaces, not sure how it
persists across reboots though
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1211[07:13:26] <somiaj> jml2: yea I know that, but then the
interface would need some sort of configuretion in the interfaces
file (unsure what to put in the interfaces file for this case, i.e.
auto wlan0 will try to bring up wlan0 with ifup)
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1212[07:13:53] <jml2> somiaj, ?
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1215[07:14:19] <jml2> somiaj, no just that one line ->
"auto <interface>" no other setting for
<interface> goes in /etc/network/interfaces
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1216[07:14:29] <jml2> somiaj, if there's "iface
..." then comment out
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1217[07:14:56] <somiaj> jml2: 'auto wlan0' would cause
the networking line to run 'ifup wlan0' and if tehre is no
configuration wouldn't this cause ifup to error out thus making
the networking init error out?
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1218[07:15:03] <somiaj> I mean networking service
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1219[07:15:05] <jml2> somiaj, no
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1220[07:15:22] <jml2> somiaj, you mean ifupdown
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1223[07:15:32] <jml2> somiaj, that's the method name
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1224[07:15:44] <jml2> (and package)
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1225[07:16:06] <somiaj> jml2: whcih contains two scripts, ifup
and ifdown which parse the interfaces file to bring up/down
interfaces
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1226[07:16:29] <jml2> somiaj, ifupdown coexists with NM..
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1227[07:16:48] <jml2> somiaj, ( [main]
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1228[07:16:48] <jml2> plugins=ifupdown,keyfile -- should be in
NetworkManager.conf)
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1229[07:17:01] <somiaj> jml2: all the auto line does is tell the
networking service to run 'ifup <interface>' during
boot, and without a config for the interface it exits with an error
(probabaly not the best idea for a init service)
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1231[07:17:08] <jml2> somiaj, bye
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1232[07:17:34] <jml2> (read the manpages)
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1235[07:18:11] <jmcnaught> hmmm.. so i've never had two wifi
interfaces on the same computer, but it looks like NetworkManager
keyfiles don't specify an interface..
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1236[07:18:32] <somiaj> yes nm will ignore interfaces controled
in the interfaces file, but I don't think just putting
'auto <interface>' in the interfaces file is a good
idea, because yes nm will now ignore it, but the networking script
could have a non-zero exit code (I haven't tested this and this
is what I'm unsure about)
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1237[07:18:40] <jmcnaught> also i think jml2 is perhaps unaware
that by default on Debian NetworkManager.conf contains
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1238[07:18:52] <jmcnaught> [ifupdown] \ managed=false
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1240[07:19:17] <somiaj> jmcnaught: I just thoguht it was better
to tell nm to ignore the interface via the mac address than to
configure it in the interfaces file.
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1244[07:20:08] <jmcnaught> somiaj: i agree with you. i also
wonder if you turn a device off in the NM gui if it remembers this
after a reboot
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1247[07:22:23] <jmcnaught> anyways, the person who needed help
seems to be gone at the moment, but an all GUI solution is probably
best for them if possible. it was a bit of a struggle to get the
firmware package installed for their usb wifi device
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1250[07:23:02] <somiaj> jmcnaught: I'd hope nm would rember
its settings, but I have very little expereince with using it
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1252[07:26:01] <jmcnaught> somiaj: it usually just works for me,
but i've never tried adding a second wifi device
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1257[07:29:02] <Thraul> any samba guru's around?
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1259[07:29:36] <somiaj> Thraul: you can ask your question, but
sounds like asking in a samba support channel woudl be more
appropraite.
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1260[07:29:57] <somiaj> Thraul: #samba
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1261[07:30:08] <Thraul> yeah thanks I am in there now and about
to ask. Relised it was more of a samba config issue than a debian
issue.
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1324[08:19:00] <lolz> Q: Installed debian few days ago. Today,
asked by system to run fsck manually, result 0.2 non contiguous.
System mount as read-only.
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1326[08:19:14] <lolz> So, i don't know what's the
proper way to fix that, cannot start my desktop anymore
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1329[08:19:57] <lolz> Just now im moving partition to the last
part of drive, to avoid bad blocks while buying a new disk :/ but i
wanna ask here before. thx
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1332[08:20:33] <zinx> that is unlikely to help if it's a
problem with the hard drive
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1334[08:20:37] <zinx> very likely to hurt :/
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1336[08:20:57] <lolz> i assume and guess too much, that's
the why im asking :)
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1337[08:21:16] <lolz> i didn't used full hd, just a little
partition on the start... so I guess the drive will work a bit more
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1338[08:21:43] <lolz> as part of my problem, the filesystem has
been modified / damaged a bit. so I have another question
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1340[08:22:01] <superlinux> I wanted to try debian unstable on
virtualbox. I understand it's unstable. so i downloaded the
latest stable netinst iso file, installed debian 8.4 , then I
changed my apt network mirror to download from unstable. i did then
apt-get dist-upgrade. after rebooting the virtual machine, I was not
able to connect to the internet. i tried both bridged mode and NAT
mode. none worked.
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1341[08:22:13] <lolz> Q: What's a proper way to restore
filesystem?
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1344[08:22:37] <zinx> restore from your backup, or pay someone
who knows what they're doing if the data's worth it.
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1345[08:22:42] <superlinux> so please I need a solution without
reinstalling the VM.
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1346[08:22:43] <zinx> but that is not the answer you wanted :x
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1347[08:22:53] <lolz> you seem not fully understanding me
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1348[08:23:10] <zinx> oh, i understand, i just can't provide
you with the answer you want
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1349[08:23:15] <lolz> i can have the ISO then manually copy and
paste filesystem parts...
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1350[08:23:28] <lolz> just asking if someone know a tool like
"repair my fs" :) to save time
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1352[08:23:40] <lolz> btw, I don't know wich files where
damaged
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1353[08:23:57] <tensorpudding> lolz: This is ext4 right?
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1354[08:24:05] <lolz> I don't wanna fully reinstall the SO,
and didn't have enough time to back up it, cuz im out of hdd
space now
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1355[08:24:08] <lolz> yes, ext4
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1357[08:24:24] <tensorpudding> What is the exact error that you
got when you ran fsck?
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1358[08:24:41] <lolz> multiple one, the bad one was about a short
read
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1361[08:25:03] <lolz> seems that few important files where lost
by deleting bad blocks
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1362[08:25:07] <tensorpudding> So it couldn't fix it?
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1363[08:25:24] <lolz> not sure, just run fsck, pressing Y to
everything
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1365[08:25:42] <lolz> then resulted into a broken filesystem. Now
i can only got terminal
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1366[08:25:48] <tensorpudding> It sounds like you need to reboot
into a live environment and backup your files.
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1368[08:26:04] <lolz> Im on that live, moving partition to a
better hd part
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1369[08:26:10] <zinx> using the hard drive at this point to do
anything other than copy the files off it is likely to make it fail
faster.
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1370[08:26:12] <lolz> but wanna know how to detect and repair
those files
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1371[08:26:12] <tensorpudding> That is not a good idea.
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1372[08:26:19] <lolz> in windows you can do scannow /f
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1373[08:26:24] <lolz> is there any way like that?
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1374[08:26:31] <tensorpudding> You probably can't repair
those files if fsck couldn't read them.
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1375[08:26:50] <tensorpudding> At least, not with the tools you
have available, there might be forensic tools available.
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1376[08:26:57] <zinx> you can overwrite the bad blocks with zeros
to make the hard drive reallocate them, but getting the data may or
may not be possible
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1377[08:26:58] <lolz> yes, i wanna buy new hdd, asking for
knowledge
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1378[08:27:22] <lolz> fsck did write at least 2 blocks with zero
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1379[08:27:27] <lolz> but broken system :)
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1380[08:27:29] <tensorpudding> If you're writing files to
another part of the same disk you risk losing more data by running
the disk more, exposing more bad blocks on the areas you're
writing to.
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1381[08:27:42] <lolz> please, don't care about disk data
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1382[08:27:47] <zinx> do note that you should use 4k blocks,
aligned to 4k boundaries, because most drives are 4k now (even the
ones that report being 512 byte)
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1385[08:28:16] <lolz> I have 640gb hdd, but working from a 80gb
partition
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1386[08:28:26] <lolz> now I moved it to the very last hdd disk
section
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1387[08:28:48] <lolz> guessing that this part of the disc is
"new", but im not sure if this will work, of for how much
long
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1390[08:29:23] <tensorpudding> I don't actually know how to
force fsck to do what you want.
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1392[08:29:41] <lolz> Q: is there anything like the windows
command "scannow /f" to repair installation?
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1396[08:30:37] <tensorpudding> If you've rebooted after fsck
found the bad blocks, unless there is more bad stuff going on when
fsck runs again it I don't think it'll be in read-only
mode,
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1397[08:31:40] <lolz> Is not in read-only mode, is in
"broken" mode
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1399[08:31:51] <lolz> now im moving partition, so I cant test it
again
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1403[08:33:42] <lolz> zinx, didn't got what you tried to
explain about that 4k mention
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1404[08:33:59] <lolz> I understand what you said, but nothing did
asked me about that setting, usually is auto
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1409[08:36:55] <zinx> lolz: it's a characteristic of the
hard drive, not a setting. if you overwrite 4k bytes aligned to a 4k
boundary, the hard drive will reallocate that 4k sector if it was
not reallocatable (due to not being readable)
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1410[08:37:24] <lolz> zinx, setting on the program that operates
the hard drive
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1411[08:37:26] <zinx> lolz: if you instead overwrite 512 bytes,
or something not aligned to 4k, some hard drives will cease to
function until you power them off for a bit.
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1412[08:37:59] <zinx> (only to bad sectors, mind you)
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1414[08:38:46] <lolz> So you think that fsck is a bad program and
it did wrote 512byte zeroes instead of fill the 4k block design?
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1415[08:38:55] <lolz> I dude that, but thank you for that info
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1417[08:39:31] <lolz> zinx, do you know how to repair / reinstall
debian 8 without wipe my current install?=
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1418[08:41:07] <High_Priest> is there a log of this channel
somewhere online?
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1422[08:42:36] <lolz> did you googled for it?
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1426[08:44:31] <jmcnaught> !irclogs
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1427[08:44:32] <dpkg> i guess irclog is #debian on
<freenode> is logged at
replaced-url
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1435[08:50:26] <High_Priest> jmcnaught, thanks
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1436[08:50:32] <High_Priest> I tried googling it but no luck
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1438[08:50:48] <High_Priest> so I guess logs from tonight will be
available tomorrow?
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1440[08:51:38] <High_Priest> tonight > 6th of May
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1442[08:52:07] <jmcnaught> not sure exactly. if you're
wondering why you got highlighted there were spam attacks. your IRC
client can probably do logging or a highlight window too.
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1443[08:52:19] <High_Priest> oh, that explains it
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1444[08:52:27] <High_Priest> I thought someone answered my
question :)
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1445[08:53:18] <jmcnaught> most IRC clients have an away mode
that will keep track of your highlights, just don't set it to
do annoying stuff like nick changes or announcing that you're
away
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1609[10:14:32] <darxmurf> hi all
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1617[10:21:32] <lolz> do you know how to repair / reinstall
debian 8 without wipe my current install?
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1619[10:22:06] <darxmurf> what did you break ?
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1620[10:23:11] <lolz> im not sure if I should repeat my whole
problem again :/
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1622[10:23:24] <lolz> just answer first, and I would modify my
question if needed
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1623[10:23:31] <lolz> thanks you anyway :)
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1634[10:26:02] <lolz> darxmurf, dont?
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1635[10:26:56] <darxmurf> just arrived now
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1636[10:27:01] <darxmurf> don't know your problem
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1638[10:27:32] <darxmurf> boot, reinstall on the same partition
without formating
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1639[10:27:42] <jelly> slax0r: it's very possible kernel
support does not even exist any more in those. grep AUFS
/boot/config-*
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1641[10:27:49] <darxmurf> you will end with a mix of files
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1647[10:33:36] <lolz> okay, ill reinstall without formatting,
sounds logical
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1648[10:33:56] <lolz> problem was bad filesystem, after manually
and forced fsck
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1649[10:34:04] <lolz> I know, hdd is diying so I will buy new
asap
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1652[10:34:29] <lolz> i still have the files, just something from
fs is broken, and only a terminal is spawned
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1654[10:34:46] <lolz> so my need is just to repair
"filesystem" part of files ;)
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1655[10:35:23] <zamuro> How's the most efficient way to pass
params before executing a bash script? by exporting them as a
environment variable or just passing them as a string variable into
the script? It'll be helpful if some examples are provided.
Thanks a lot.
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1656[10:35:27] <lolz> darxmurf, I finished moving files from
partition at first of disk to the very last section of it, to avoid
the well known bad sectors
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1658[10:36:23] <lolz> zamuro, i will argue that passing them as
argumets will avoid looking in globals, but is just my guess.
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1660[10:37:08] <lolz> apart of that, there's no real impact
between read a variable versus read arguments.
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1661[10:37:56] <zamuro> lolz: I'd like to differenciate
parameters from arguments. Command would be something like
param1=value param2=value command [string of arguments]
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1663[10:38:26] <zamuro> Or perhaps the opposite, argument1=value
argument2=value command [string of params]
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1665[10:38:37] <zamuro> Yeah... that would make more sense,
ain't it?
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1667[10:39:24] <lolz> that totally depends on how do you parse
your arguments :)
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1668[10:39:42] <lolz> I usually only use globals to override
certain values
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1669[10:39:52] <lolz> the other are passed to the program as
usual
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1671[10:40:57] <lolz> arguments are shown in the top output, so
exporting first the values may add tricky to that
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1673[10:41:18] <Iridos> lolz, uh. get a new disk, install with
the same set of packages (/msg dpkg debian clone) copy your user
data from the broken disk
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1675[10:41:25] <lolz> darxmurf, thank you, backup finished,
i'll try to reinstall my debian ;) see you
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1679[10:41:35] <zamuro> lolz: thx
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1680[10:41:39] <Iridos> lolz, it's not as if you could rely
on the old disk anymore with anything you want to keep anyway
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1682[10:41:47] <lolz> Iridos, im fine, ready to break my system
even more :)
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1695[10:51:07] <lolz> yes, cannot rely, see you guys
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1705[10:53:25] <cantwise> FREENODE STAFF WANT TO CONTROL ALL
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1707[10:53:25] <cantwise> FOSS PROJECTS _REALLY_ NEED TO FIND A
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1708[10:53:25] <cantwise> FREENODE STAFF WANT TO CONTROL ALL
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1717[10:53:54] <k0nsl> i'll show you fair suppoty...
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1718[10:54:01] <k0nsl> support*
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1733[11:00:12] <ToyKeeper> Hi, er, anyone know a solution for
conflicts between libgnutls-deb0-28 and libgnutls30? I'm trying
to install mplayer2 in debian/testing, but it seems currently
uninstallable.
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1736[11:02:11] <ToyKeeper> mplayer2 needs libavformat56, which
needs libgnutls-deb0-28, but a lot of other packages need
libgnutls30 and they can't both be installed at once.
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1737[11:02:33] <ToyKeeper> I'm guessing the solution is to
rebuild libavformat56 with the newer lib.
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1739[11:03:22] <jelly> ToyKeeper: eh, why not just use mpv
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1751[11:07:16] <ToyKeeper> jelly: Thanks, that looks like it
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1755[11:08:21] <jelly> it seems to be the only fork actually
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1758[11:09:09] <winem_> hi, what would you do to fill up the send
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python script, that opens a port but does not read from it's
queue. unless you have a more efficient and faster solution :)
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1812[11:36:05] <JyZyXEL> is it possible to have pre-shutdown
script that automatically gets executed before shutdown/reboot/halt?
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1813[11:36:47] <JyZyXEL> or rather, what is the best way to
implement such a thing
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1815[11:38:57] <JyZyXEL> LMGTFO "systemd script before
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1824[11:47:14] <Ghost_r00t> guys what should I do if I want to
change keyboard layouts in openbox (which doesn't have any GUI
nor it does have system-tray icon.)?
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1825[11:47:53] <hightower2> Ghost_r00t, setxkbmap <CC>
possibly?
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1829[11:49:58] <Ghost_r00t> hightower2, what is CC
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1830[11:50:18] <hightower2> Ghost_r00t, country code of course,
such as us, de, it, and so on
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1831[11:50:59] <Ghost_r00t> hightower2, what about the variant?
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1832[11:51:06] <hightower2> man setxkbmap
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1850[12:01:23] <zoomgry> hi
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1851[12:01:35] <zoomgry> how do i troubleshoot sound ?
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1853[12:01:57] <zoomgry> alc833 hda intel sound, after recent
upgrade it starts having noise over 100% which didn't happen
before on debian jessie
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1859[12:04:32] <tinyhippo> is there a changelog for specific
packages anywher? specifically openssh and openssh-server
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1866[12:07:11] <zoomgry_>
replaced-url
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1877[12:13:56] <zZap-X> anybody know if debian sleep / suspend
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1888[12:19:20] <Haxxa> How do I get openvpn to automatically
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1934[12:47:25] <rmrfchik> after some updates (i suppose,
pam_ldap) xscreensaver won't authenticate me anymore
(unix_chkpwd[27243]: check pass; user unknown in auth.log)
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1935[12:47:33] <rmrfchik> while login/ssh works fine
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1936[12:47:35] <rmrfchik> any ideas?
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1944[12:53:23] <ChrisH> rmrfchik: nscd in use?
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1950[12:55:46] <rmrfchik> restart/update/uninstall?
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1951[12:56:07] <rmrfchik> unscd actually
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1952[12:56:11] <ChrisH> rmrfchik: restart it..... On Solaris nscd
was allways a source of fun.
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1976[13:06:44] <zoomgry> I found that the noise happens at lower
volumes also and loading module snd_hda_intel with various model
options doesn't change its behaviour
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1978[13:07:01] <zoomgry> anyone around / is there a better
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1980[13:07:54] <Redfoxmoon> zoomgry, #linux ? :)
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1994[13:14:22] <johnny0> zoomgry: if you still have an older
kernel in your grub list, you can try testing against that as a
sanity check. At least you'll have an idea of where things
broke if the issue goes away.
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2005[13:17:47] <ChrisH> rmrfchik: logout/login possible? Any
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been unusable with the standard jessie kernels (with or without
module tweaks) but is more or less fine with the jessie-backports
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2007[13:18:18] <zoomgry> backports is fresher though ? thank you
for the good idea, I'll check with an older kernel in a few
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2080[13:55:01] <grzeslaw> Hi guys... weird.. issue.. 2weeks ago,
I enable start of 3 applications by using chkconfig -s myservice on.
Today I logged into machine and discover (using chkconfig
--list|grep service), that those services are off by default.. I am
running Debian 7.9 - any ideas..?
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2084[13:58:25] <dryblow> what can I use for lock vnc port on only
for localhost on debian? I want use it with ssh portforwarding
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2087[13:59:05] <winem_> dryblow: bind the vnc deamon to localhost
(127.0.0.1) or use iptables
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2092[14:01:19] <dryblow> can i bind with /etc/hosts.deny?
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2097[14:03:24] <Knaldgas> Just upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie,
and dnsmasq does not work right anymore. I started dnsmasq -qd which
seems to forward dns requests, but "dig debian.org"
returns zero answers. running "dig debian.org @8.8.8.8"
returns 5 answers
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2098[14:03:39] <Knaldgas> Any idea of what has gone wrong for me?
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2100[14:04:58] <altyr> dryblow: your vnc server might have a
-localhost parameter
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2105[14:06:11] <Knaldgas> vnc?
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2106[14:06:26] <Knaldgas> Oh sorry, not for me...
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2107[14:06:28] <dryblow> I use tightvncserver and I can't
find this option form man
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2108[14:06:37] <dryblow> fromé
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2109[14:06:37] <dryblow> from*
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2112[14:08:50] <spektrum_> \o/
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2118[14:10:50] <Knaldgas> dig is returning REFUSED !?
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2119[14:11:16] <altyr> dryblow: the tightvncserver command is
just a wrapper for Xvnc. from the man page: "You can add Xvnc
options at the command line. They will be added to the invocation of
Xvnc without changes."
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2127[14:17:30] <karlpinc> Knaldgas: Read the readme.debian. Check
the logs.
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2128[14:17:34] <karlpinc> !tell Knaldgas about readme.debian
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2148[14:27:16] <Knaldgas> karlpinc: Thanks for the pointer - I
have read through README.Debian, but found nothing related to my
problem (as far as I can see), but I have probably missed
something...
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2151[14:28:22] <dryblow> Ok i understat how can start vncserver
for localhost, i need too a vlan for routing it to ssh outgoing?
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2174[14:36:16] <Walakea> when hibernate my laptop, then after
wake up shell tells me this:
replaced-url
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2176[14:36:43] <altyr> dryblow: no. see e.g.
replaced-url
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2180[14:38:10] <dryblow> altyr, I know this tunneling
client-side, if I block outgoing vnc from server I can't
connect with this.
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2182[14:38:48] <dryblow> I read from man Xtightvnc -localhost is
userful with a loopback interface
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2183[14:39:13] <dryblow> But with a loopback i can't reach
from ssh connection
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2194[14:42:53] <altyr> uh, that shouldn't be the case. but
then again it has been a while since i last used vnc
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true problem for misunderstanding :/
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2217[14:49:12] <glaucom> hi all :)
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2230[14:53:26] <wewlad> hello debs, sorry for a bit non-debian
question, but I don't know where else to ask this: there are
some gnu utils compiled for windows (replaced-url
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2239[14:57:19] <Knaldgas> karlpinc: If you have the slightest
hint, please let me know - I'm completely in the dark here. I
haven't found anything useful on google either :(
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2245[14:57:50] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: what do you mean, more free
license? is GPL not compatible with whatever you are doing?
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2249[14:58:32] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: disregard the comment about
more free, I'm not to start a holy war, I just want a BSD/WTFPL
cat.exe :(
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2253[14:59:01] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: and you should ask the
windows channel if there are more tools like core utils for windows.
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2257[14:59:32] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: not sure what it has to do
with a holy war, just wanted to understand what you meant.
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2258[15:00:30] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: as far as I understand
licenses (never read them because it's useless): GPL requires
you to always share your code, while BSD/WTFPL doesn't require
you to do so
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2262[15:01:14] <bumbar_> "runsv not running", anyone
knows how to fix this?
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2274[15:04:01] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: gpl does not force to
publish, if that is what you meant. but whatever, this ot here.
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2278[15:04:52] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: afaik it does, that's
why sony play station and macos and lots of others used freebsd as
the base for their oses, not linux
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2281[15:05:47] <wewlad> afaik I can't use gnu gpl components
in my closed-source software
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2285[15:08:09] <TomTomTosch> it has copyleft. but you should ask
the windows channel.
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2286[15:08:26] <wewlad> I asked, got silence in reply
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2287[15:08:41] <thebwt> is there a way to install a debian
package and have it not run it's postinst?
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2294[15:11:32] <spektrum_> thebwt: unpack the *.deb and add an
"exit 0" into the top of the postinst - repack and install
it.
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2296[15:11:47] <thebwt> lol, thanks spektrum_
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2297[15:12:56] <spektrum_> thebwt: np
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2300[15:13:27] <jeddi> thebwt: what problem are you trying to
fix?
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2303[15:13:52] <thebwt> the systemd initialization , it's a
very niche problem that I can't give details on beyond that :/
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2306[15:14:31] <thebwt>
replaced-url
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2307[15:14:39] <thebwt> so i think this is the angle I'll
approach
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2311[15:16:31] <spektrum_> thebwt: if this means to prevent
starting a service after a successful install, then you should look
into your policy-rc.d. :-)
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2313[15:16:53] <thebwt> yep, but also nuking some premade systemd
masks
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2314[15:17:04] <wewlad> The GNU General Public License does not
permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs.
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2316[15:17:16] <abrotman> Eh, yes it does
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2317[15:17:29] <wewlad> that's why it's not a free
license (in fact it is a virus one)
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2318[15:17:39] <spektrum_> well .. probably nuking systemd would
be the better choice :o)
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2322[15:18:53] <thebwt> spektrum_: nah, I love my .service files
:p Thanks for the input everyone
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2325[15:19:20] <spektrum_> thebwt: :-)
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2335[15:23:28] <lowin> So, in the last month I had this super
annoying kde bug that tooltips in gtk programs used a black font on
dark background.. It has been magically fixed since yesterday, And I
haven't updated for a few weeks
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2336[15:23:32] <lowin> how?
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2347[15:33:22] <dionysus69> what can I do to reset sources?
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2349[15:33:44] <dionysus69> when I do apt-get update I get error
for google webmaker source
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2353[15:34:42] <dionysus69> W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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2360[15:38:31] <karlpinc> !tell dionysus69 about sources.list
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2361[15:38:40] <dionysus69> I know about that file
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2362[15:38:45] <dionysus69> but I dont have any google lines in
it
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2367[15:39:38] <karlpinc> dionysus69: You should really not have
any non-debian lines in it.
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2368[15:39:45] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69: google inserts their
stuff in sources.list.d/ recently i386 support stopped for lots of
google software.
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2371[15:40:05] <dionysus69> ok so how do I remove it so I dont
get that error
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2372[15:40:09] <dionysus69> do I delete that dir ?
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2375[15:40:16] <dionysus69> will it regenerate?
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2380[15:41:00] <karlpinc> dionysus69: Delete the content instead
of the dir.
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2381[15:41:09] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69: inserting [arch=amd64]
after the word 'deb' should make it stop complaining. if
you are on an amd64 system that is.
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2382[15:41:25] <dionysus69> ok I guess I ll just remove
google-webdesigner.list file
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2384[15:41:39] <dionysus69> ye I am on amd64
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2385[15:41:57] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69: if you remove that file
you will get no updates for webdesigner
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2387[15:42:14] <dionysus69> TomTomTosch: no problem I deleted it
anyway
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2389[15:42:25] <dionysus69> thanks all :D I didnt know about that
dir :)
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2391[15:43:18] <dionysus69> though I am getting this error anyway
now
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2392[15:43:19] <dionysus69> W: There is no public key available
for the following key IDs:
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2393[15:43:19] <dionysus69> 1397BC53640DB551
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2397[15:44:19] <dionysus69> stackexchange tells me to install
debian-keyring while I already installed debian-archive-keyring
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2398[15:44:37] <dionysus69> but it wants to download lots of
packages
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2401[15:45:10] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69: apt-cache policy to
paste.debian.net please.
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2404[15:46:50] <dionysus69> TomTomTosch:
replaced-url
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2408[15:47:38] <TomTomTosch> !tell dionysus69 about frankendebian
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2409[15:47:44] <le_pig> lol
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2410[15:47:54] <dionysus69> wtf lol
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2411[15:47:59] <karlpinc> !tell dionysus69 about don't break
debian
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2414[15:48:14] <karlpinc> (That's a slightly more useful
factoid. :)
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2415[15:48:14] <le_pig> dionysus69: steel yourself
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2416[15:48:31] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69: you are not meant to
install ubuntu packages on debian. you are missing the ubuntu
keyring. that's what he complains about.
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2417[15:48:53] <dionysus69> which ubuntu package do I have>?
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2418[15:48:54] <dionysus69> haha
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2419[15:49:05] <dionysus69> oh heroku
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2420[15:49:17] <TomTomTosch> "replaced-url
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2421[15:49:37] <TomTomTosch> i don't know a
"precise" debian version.
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2423[15:50:48] <dionysus69> = )
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2424[15:51:16] <dionysus69> so what do you suggest I uninstall
steam :| I dont even play but sometimes its nice to have an option
to :D
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2425[15:52:04] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69: steam is packaged for
debian. you should probably read the debian wiki first if you are
looking for something.
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2428[15:53:35] <dionysus69> ok ok thanks!
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2433[15:56:47] <dionysus69> ok so I removed and installed debian
repo steam
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2434[15:56:58] <dionysus69> but cache policy still shows the
precise version
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2439[15:57:45] <dionysus69> apt-get clean didnt help
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2441[15:58:06] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69: apt-cache policy shows
all sources it has indexed. you either still have the ubuntu line in
your sources or didn't do an apt-get update.
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2443[15:59:22] <dionysus69> ye I had both of those
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2444[16:00:05] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69: removing the sources
does not undo the damage though. can't really help you with
that. that's why the frankendebian factoid talks about
unsupportable.
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2446[16:00:34] <dionysus69> my debian is quite healthy comon
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2452[16:01:47] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69: you might want to do a
aptitude search '~o' to see installed packages that are
left without sources and remove things that shouldn't be there.
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2459[16:04:49] <dionysus69> um
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2460[16:05:07] <dionysus69> it gave me some output, how do I know
which one is a leftover
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2462[16:06:37] <dionysus69> and keys are deleted this way I
suppose correct? apt-key del 2048R/0F1B0520 ?
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2480[16:14:07] <doh> Hi. Im trying to reinstall debian 8 from
netinstall from this morning, more than 5 hours ago :/
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2481[16:14:29] <doh> Install system base does fail at this point:
debootstrap in-target: E: Se necesita eliminar paquetes pero esta
desactivada
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2485[16:16:46] <TomTomTosch> !es
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2486[16:16:46] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en
Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en
Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join
#debian-es en la línea de chat.
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2487[16:16:53] <doh> base-installer, warning: attempting to
install to unclean target
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2489[16:17:04] <doh> Just copied message
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2490[16:17:12] <doh> I can translate it
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2492[16:17:28] <doh> The install may be in spanish, but im in the
english forum
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2494[16:17:42] <doh> TomTomTosch, can u help me?
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2496[16:18:16] <doh> it is you a bot?
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2501[16:18:58] <TomTomTosch> i don't understand spanish so i
have no idea what that error says.
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2504[16:19:32] <doh> I pasted it here. base-installer, warning:
attempting to install to unclean target
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2511[16:21:14] <doh> TomTomTosch, seems more about your intents
than your language skills.
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2521[16:25:55] <TomTomTosch> hard for me to help you, can't
look through spanish docs to see what that error msg means. you will
have to ask the spanish channel or wait for someone who has a better
idea.
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2541[16:34:42] <DammitJim> guys, what log should I look at? It
seems I have a server in production that was offline for about 2
minutes
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2543[16:34:52] <DammitJim> VMWare shows 0 activity on that server
during that period of time
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2566[16:42:33] <ChrisH> DammitJim: a) define offline. What did
you check? b) check dmesg, content in /var/log
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2569[16:43:21] <DammitJim> ChrisH, so, I'm looking at VMWare
and the interface's statistics are showing N/A instead of 0kbps
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2570[16:43:30] <DammitJim> dmesg didn't seem to have
anything useful
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2571[16:43:45] <DammitJim> especially since it doesn't have
a time stamp
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2573[16:44:13] <DammitJim> is there a way to see timestamps in
stuff like this?
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2575[16:45:04] <winem_> dmesg -T prints the timestamp in a
human-readable (or more human friendly) format
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2576[16:45:09] <DammitJim> thanks
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2578[16:45:36] <DammitJim> oh crap... this is not a Debian server
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2579[16:45:37] <DammitJim> thanks
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2659[17:27:18] <dryden> I put back a Debian 8 system running on a
VPS after changing the VPS. I changed nothing to the system that I
know. Now networking doesn't come up by default. It may be that
upgrades botched this before I had rebooted.
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2660[17:27:37] <dryden> I have to run ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient
eth0
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2662[17:27:40] <dryden> before it will work.
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2669[17:28:44] <dryden> what could be the matter?
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2671[17:30:36] <dryden> networkmanager doesn't run and it is
supposed to just use /etc/network/interfaces
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2672[17:30:49] <brigo> dryden, check the logs for more info
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2683[17:32:31] <dryden> brigo: in dmesg there is no mention of
the ethernet device
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2685[17:32:48] <dryden> brigo: the driver gets loaded though but
I don't see anything about it.
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2686[17:32:57] <dryden> brigo: eth0 is not visible in ifconfig
until I up it.
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2688[17:34:06] <dryden> also on another note what is the
preferred way to start openvpn when networking goes up, on a default
(or mentioned) openvpn script config file?
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2692[17:35:26] <brigo> dryden, i think openvpn has it own daemon
that control that.
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2693[17:35:40] <brigo> dryden, are you using
/etc/network/interface?
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2703[17:39:45] <dryden> brigo: yes it is simply configured in
interfaces with eth0 inet dhcp or something.
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2704[17:40:53] <dryden> brigo: { ifdown --force eth0; ifup
--force eth0; } does not restart the dhcp as well.
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2705[17:40:56] <dryden> now*
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2706[17:40:58] <brigo> dryden, then i am clueless. Check the
networking service.
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2710[17:42:10] <ChrisH> dryden: check ifconfig -a to confirm the
Interface is the expected one. If yes check using ethtool for a Link
and dmesg is allways a good starting point
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2711[17:42:38] <dryden> I have networking I just need to start it
manually.
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2728[17:48:59] <iamwhoiam> hello people. I am interested in
package management in debian (apt, dpkg etc), mainly the source of
unsound installations (is it because of the heuristics used?) and
usage of sat-solvers (at which point are they used and why?). I have
read the Burrows "modelling and Resolving SOftware
dependencies" (plus, many many webpages), where SAT is used
only as a proof for the NP-completness of resolving dependencies,
but for example it mentions
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2729[17:48:59] <iamwhoiam> that they use best-first search over a
list of (possible partial) solutions - i suppose he means the
currently open nodes of the search tree... anyway, you get the idea
of my questions. Do you know any source of info that explains
everything in detail? Or perhaps someone I should talk about this
(like, who is the current developer of apt/dpkg?)?
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2731[17:50:44] <awwal> How to prevent foo pkg which have a
.desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart from being loaded/executed when
login in X?
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2732[17:51:01] <dryden> ChrisH: service networking restart
apparently bugs, and halts. But ifdown; ifup works.
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2734[17:51:09] <awwal> remove it's .desktop file in xdg
autostart?
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2741[17:53:20] <ChrisH> dryden: Debian 8 should have systemctl
instead of service... check systemctl status networking.service
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2743[17:54:06] <dryden> that doesn't make a difference right
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2744[17:54:18] <dryden> the one of a front for the other
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2747[17:54:33] <dryden> I mean don't bullshit me.
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2750[17:55:12] <dryden> exact same behaviour, I even believe it
enough to test it ;-).
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2751[17:55:25] <dryden> *is a front*
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2752[17:55:40] <themill> "restart networking" is a
pretty meaningless thing; don't do it
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2754[17:55:52] <dryden> why is that meaningless?
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2756[17:56:06] <dryden> how else to get interfaces down and up.
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2757[17:56:07] <ChrisH> dryden: What does systemctl status shows
after reboot?
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2758[17:56:08] <themill> it's not a daemon
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2760[17:56:14] <dryden> so?
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2761[17:56:25] <dryden> ChrisH: doesn't matter.
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2762[17:56:28] <themill> there's nothing running;
there's nothing to stop; nothing to start
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2763[17:56:34] <dryden> so?
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2764[17:56:40] <dryden> how can it then kill my network link?
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2766[17:56:50] <dryden> maybe it does something you know.
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2770[17:57:46] <dryden> I mean you people think you know
everything but you offer nothing.
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2771[17:58:26] <themill> Feel free to put away the attitude and
ask questions or ask for clarification.
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2772[17:58:45] <dryden> and it's so warm....
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2773[17:59:03] <dryden> I am asking questions but you are wasting
my time with nonsensical answers and questions here.
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2774[17:59:18] <dryden> maybe you should be putting away the
attitude of knowing everything constantly and directing people to
trodden paths that don't work.
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2775[17:59:20] <themill> ...
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2781[18:00:51] <awwal> dryden, support here is voluntary. people
TRY to help. if you want something more expert check
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2784[18:01:21] <Dhraakellian> so there's a package (angband)
that I want to install on my server for use with its ncurses
interface, but it depends on X11 for its graphical interface, and I
don't want to pull that in on a largely headless box. I think
I've found places where I can remove the dependencies and pass
--disable-x11 to its configure script, but I can't seem to find
the appropriate way to build a .deb with those changes included
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2785[18:01:25] <dryden> then don't ask me to do stuff you
know I must have already done a million times.
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2788[18:01:43] <Dhraakellian> any ideas or pointers to a
particular set of documentation that would be most relevant?
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2790[18:02:04] <themill> dryden: if you don't want to
cooperate with people trying to help you, you're in the wrong
place
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2903[18:29:15] <asker_> Hello, I was thinking in making a distro.
But I don't want the package manager, I just want to release
versions without the possibility of installing apps through the
package manager, do you know how to remove it?
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2935[18:32:12] <jmcnaught> asker_: sounds more like a ##linux
question than a #debian question
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2940[18:32:43] <asker_> The package manager is from Debian
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2953[18:34:02] <jmcnaught> asker_: this channel only supports
Debian, not distros based on it
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2961[18:35:43] <asker_> So the channel supports questions like
how to install something on Debian but not uninstalling a core
component of it? It doesn't see like free software philosophy
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2968[18:38:06] <jmcnaught> asker_: well you're asking how to
make a distro. you can use dpkg to remove packages like aptitude and
apt, not sure if removing dpkg with dpkg will work. this will
essentially break the system and prevent security updates
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2971[18:38:56] <jmcnaught> asker_: making it so only users with
admin access (in the form of knowing root password, or being in the
sudo group) can install packages
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2978[18:40:22] <asker_> Ok thank you
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2998[18:48:02] <wtiger> Hello folks!
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3004[18:48:52] <wtiger> is there a point in buying skylake cpu if
I plan to run debian on it?
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3007[18:52:34] <bazhang> wanting a faster cpu?
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3008[18:52:37] <jhutchins> wtiger: As opposed to leasing it?
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3011[18:53:01] <greycat> What are your other choices?
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3015[18:54:03] <wtiger> I have an aging macbook pro, want to
replace it with a skylake laptop(if possible)
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3016[18:54:17] <wtiger> and run debian on it ...
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3020[18:56:03] <jmcnaught> wtiger: from what i understand not
just Debian has problems with skylake mobile, even Windows does. I
would definitely do a lot more research before purchasing, or just
get something previous generation.
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3021[18:56:07] <bazhang> wtiger, whats the actual issue
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3023[18:56:23] <wtiger> jmcnaught: ok..
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3025[18:56:56] <jmcnaught> wtiger: for example
replaced-url
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3027[18:59:21] <jmcnaught> supporting the newest hardware is not
one of Debian's strengths, but it works great on stuff that is
a year or two old. Some people use newer kernels from backports, but
that's not always going to help with GPU driver issues for
example
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3028[18:59:43] <wtiger> jmcnaught: certainly, I understand
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3074[19:19:04] <tomnor> Where should I dump some text not to
paste it here -- any suggestion (a dir listing)
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3075[19:19:32] <somiaj> tomnor: paste.debian.net
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3078[19:22:44] <tomnor> I am wondering why this font doesn't
"take" paste.debian.net/682446
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3096[19:27:35] <Delf> Trying to get DisplayLink working. I get
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3104[19:30:24] <tomnor> With the font not "taking" I
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3105[19:30:24] <tomnor> output of fc-cache indicate nothing was
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3184[20:03:29] <qqz> It would be very nice if debian .ISO-s
booted and installed fromout of a hdd-partition like f.i. /dev/sda1
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3186[20:03:54] <qqz> however it always writes isolinux-bin
missing or corrupt
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3188[20:04:15] <qqz> does anyone know here what it would take to
fix that?
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3192[20:04:47] <qqz> I have a TrekStor datastation picco which is
a SSD with read-only switch
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3194[20:05:15] <qqz> it would be great if I could host Linux -
iso-s on individual partitions.
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3203[20:07:54] <qqz> it should not be hard to let the installer
probe hdd partitions in addition to CDs
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3204[20:08:06] <qqz> .... but I do not know how a CD-iso boots
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3208[20:09:06] <debianuser_> after installing peper flash as per
wiki instructions, iam getting this
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3216[20:10:05] <jmcnaught> qqz: Debian ISOs are hybrid images
that have a partition table on them. This is why the install manual
says to copy the image to a block device, not a partition (eg cp
debian.iso /dev/sdx)
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3217[20:10:06] <debianuser_> !flash
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3218[20:10:06] <dpkg> Flash is frequently used to deliver
interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about
<gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or
<adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free
implementations.
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3223[20:10:45] <qqz> jmcnaught: hmmm; and kpartx, could it help?
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3225[20:11:16] <qqz> jmcnaught: how to access the individual
partitions on a CDrom / BD ?!
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3231[20:13:04] <qqz> jmcnaught: unfortunately I need many install
- images of different arches and also of derived debian distros - so
having an own USB stick for each one would be no good solution
(apart from the fact that ro-USB-sticks are only scarcely available
and far slower than an individual SSD)
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3232[20:13:13] <jmcnaught> qqz: i don't know what using
kpartx would do the debian installer ISO. I do know that some
utilities like unetbootin are known to mangle it. What is your goal
exactly? Are you trying to make a universal multi-distro installer
disk or something?
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3236[20:14:25] <qqz> jmcnaught: my goal is to dd a debian BD-DL
iso into a 50GB logical partition and then boot and install from
that by chainloading it.
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3237[20:14:46] <axc1298> does anyone else have the issue where
kodi in debian can't display non-latin character subtitles
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3238[20:14:50] <axc1298> even though other applications can
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3241[20:15:29] <qqz> the SSD + ro-switch is here; but I still
lack the necessary provisions to take advantage of it
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3242[20:16:20] <qqz> yes; it could be thought of a universal
multi-installer disk.
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3250[20:18:30] <qqz> unetbootin: does it allow logical partitions
as targets?
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3251[20:18:30] <jmcnaught> qqz: i don't think the debian
installer ISOs were made with that in mind
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3252[20:19:06] <jmcnaught> !unetbootin
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3253[20:19:06] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
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3256[20:19:49] <jmcnaught> a binder of CD-Rs would be simpler if
you have a USB optical drive
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3257[20:19:49] <qqz> jmcnaught: well; for the bootloader I could
directly load the linux and initrd from that partition and then give
an appropriate root=parameter ...
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3261[20:20:54] <qqz> hmm; optical drives are limited in media
size and very slow;
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3263[20:21:12] <qqz> I would really appreciate some provision for
parition-booting such images
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3266[20:21:31] <qqz> as I do not want to carry a bundle of DVDs /
BDs with me all the time
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3269[20:21:41] <qqz> imagine how praactical and pleasurable that
would be
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3273[20:22:03] <jmcnaught> qqz: how many installs are you
planning on doing with this disk anyways?
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3275[20:22:36] <qqz> several installs; well counting that; I
haven`t done it yet
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3277[20:23:07] <jmcnaught> maybe put this plan on hold and just
use a handful of USB sticks until the need is really there
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3278[20:23:49] <qqz> I know there is also the possibilty to
install via mini-USB and NFS but that would not far be as good as a
single drive ...
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3279[20:24:00] <qqz> yes perhaps currently the only solution
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3280[20:24:13] <qqz> another solution I have been thinking about
is:
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