• 0[00:00:11] <cinesc> ok
• 1[00:00:13] <ratrace> so there is this scamware that's been going around past few months, you get an email where this guy says he knows you were watching porn.
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• 3[00:00:31] <ratrace> and that he has all the links and vids of you doing it and if you don't pay up 1 BTC, he's gonna share it with your friends.
• 4[00:00:46] <ratrace> that scamware APPEARS to be coming from your own address, and the mail starts with "I hacked your email".
• 5[00:00:47] <cinesc> no that´s not the case
• 6[00:00:49] <ratrace> THING IS...
• 7[00:00:51] <somiaj> Latr_work: I see some sites that say you need to add i915.alpha_support=1 to your boot command line (see /etc/default/grub) to get the alpha driers for that card to work. Now this was for like 4.15 kernels, unsure if coffee lake is still conisdered alpha in the 4.19 or 5.2 kernel
• 8[00:01:14] <schumaml> ratrace: the messages frequently claim it was child porn specifically, I think
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• 10[00:01:16] <ratrace> cinesc: thing is, "From" address can be easily spoofed in any mail. it's literally you can write whatever you want in it.
• 11[00:01:21] <ratrace> schumaml: that's a variant too
• 12[00:01:34] <ratrace> the ones I saw were mostly "I have your porn stash, pay up"
• 13[00:01:38] <Latr_work> somiaj: will look into that as well
• 14[00:01:40] <cinesc> hah
• 15[00:01:42] <Latr_work> thx
• 16[00:02:08] <cinesc> that is a different thing from what concerns me
• 17[00:02:37] <Ede|Popede> ratrace: remember that "i have access to your files" iframe in the browser, before they removed that feature?
• 18[00:02:39] <somiaj> Latr_work: can you put the output of 'uname -a' and 'demsg | grep -i firmware' at paste.debian.net?
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• 20[00:03:09] <ratrace> cinesc: my point is... folks with no awarnes of how these scams work will fall for it because "how did that guy know I was watching porn!!!!"
• 21[00:03:11] <Latr_work> somiaj: as soon as I connect up to the wirless and get ssh from my chromebook I will :)
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• 25[00:03:52] <ratrace> Ede|Popede: that was classic
• 26[00:04:07] <Latr_work> X is up :D
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• 28[00:04:15] <ratrace> cinesc: so "how did that guy know what I was watching" ... well, who says they did :)
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• 30[00:06:16] <cinesc> What I meant with it "sounded as if someone knew exactly what I was watching" is that when I was going to my workplace and even at the workplace, people started saying things that matched the material I was watching like that it was adult movie content and what occurred
• 31[00:06:39] <ratrace> cinesc: pareidolia
• 32[00:06:52] <cinesc> also one thing I forgot to mention at all
• 33[00:06:55] <ratrace> pareidolia + paranoia = designed in hell
• 34[00:07:08] <cinesc> can´t argue with that
• 35[00:07:21] <cinesc> with those two being from hell
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• 39[00:08:57] <schumaml> I call pareidolia the "Holy Mother Mary on my grilled cheese sandwich"-symptom ;)
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• 41[00:09:15] <schumaml> gah, syndrome, of course
• 42[00:09:28] <ratrace> so you clicked a link, something glitched, you saw a .ru address, paranoia kicked in, and "that's when the fight started"
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• 44[00:10:08] <ratrace> schumaml: well yeah, brain is constantly looking up patterns in noise
• 45[00:10:13] <schumaml> I've seen people freak out in comparable situations when their state of mind was affected by chems
• 46[00:10:24] <Ede|Popede> helped us to survive
• 47[00:10:30] <ratrace> that's why you can listen to specific voice in a murmur of many voices, or sound in general
• 48[00:10:35] <schumaml> i.e. do not do Mail Under Influence
• 49[00:10:55] <schumaml> or hear voices in the sounds of your AC
• 50[00:10:59] <cinesc> one thing too was that they mentioned how someone had a browser with addons and the next day when I didn´t look at anything I could see how the behaviour corresponded with how I didn´t look at anything
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• 52[00:11:46] <ratrace> schumaml: I used to work in a printing shop. If you ever heard a printing press working, you know it calls up "Satan! Satan! Satan! Satan! Satan! ...." in this hissy, whispery voice :)
• 53[00:11:53] <cinesc> about how someone knew what addons you had
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• 56[00:14:32] <schumaml> ratrace: every seen cork wallpaper?
• 57[00:15:52] <cinesc> as that you use a vpn and remove cookies and I happen to have addons that does serve a similar function at the time on that computer
• 58[00:16:17] <ratrace> schumaml: yea
• 59[00:16:20] <Latr_work> somiaj: there u have it replaced-url
• 60[00:16:59] <ratrace> cinesc: at this point, with everything you presented so far, I'd bet you just freaked over glitch
• 61[00:17:00] <schumaml> cork wallpaper - the veneer type, not the glued grains one - must the like looking straight into hell for someone who doesn't know about pareidolia, but believes in spirits and ghosts and the like
• 62[00:17:15] <ratrace> schumaml: oh lol!
• 63[00:17:41] <ratrace> I have a form of synesthesia. I can hear form. now add that to the mix.....
• 64[00:18:02] <ratrace> form, shapes....
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• 67[00:19:20] <_DeLa_> Am I right in assuming that popular software like libreoffice will be updated quite regularly – even in stable?!
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• 69[00:20:49] <ratrace> _DeLa_: by update you mean "newer upstream version"? no, I don't think so. there's a few exceptions like firefox-esr and chromium but not libreoffice for example
• 70[00:20:55] <Latr_work> somiaj: reading at this replaced-url
• 71[00:21:02] <Latr_work> I am on kernel 5.2
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• 73[00:21:33] <_DeLa_> ratrace: thanks
• 74[00:21:40] <ratrace> _DeLa_: and those exceptions are forced by upstream. firefox-esr for example, as the old FF EOLs, it'd be extremely too much work to backport patches, so they SRU the ESR
• 75[00:22:12] <ratrace> and chromium is an OS that's lacking a good browser, so nobody wants to backport patches for a whole OS-in-a-package :)
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• 80[00:26:40] <somiaj> Latr_work: and 'dmesg | grep -i firmware'
• 81[00:27:03] <Latr_work> somiaj: it is there
• 82[00:27:34] <_DeLa_> What about the kind of software you can download in archive, extract it and then just put it in /opt/programname and run it – how is this to be judged? Blender for example: replaced-url
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• 84[00:28:21] <Latr_work> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 86[00:29:19] <Latr_work> somiaj: do I need this to get HW accelleration working? replaced-url
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• 90[00:35:42] <_DeLa_> gn8
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• 95[00:37:35] <cinesc> Maybe I am entering a dead end here but is there anything can detect what is already wrong with a linux installation once it´s installed there?
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• 97[00:38:27] <jezebel> you'll need to be more specific
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• 100[00:38:54] <somiaj> Latr_work: okay firmware is loading, lets look at your Xorg.0.log
• 101[00:39:34] <cinesc> is there a tool that already knows how a linux installation should look like and finds something that isn´t supposed to be there?
• 102[00:39:36] <Latr_work> okay
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• 105[00:40:50] <Anonymous72> Hello World
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• 107[00:41:24] <Latr_work> somiaj: I do not have Xorg.0.log in /var/log 0_0
• 108[00:41:32] <somiaj> cinesc: that is a bit vague, each distro's linux installation will look different. There are ways to test where packages come from and check if they have the same checksum as the offical pcakage.
• 109[00:41:49] <somiaj> !xorg log
• 110[00:42:02] <somiaj> Latr_work: sometimes it is in $HOME/.local/share/xorg
• 111[00:42:23] <somiaj> Latr_work: that is where it would appear if you are running startx
• 112[00:42:40] <Latr_work> somiajI am not runnign startx
• 113[00:42:52] <Latr_work> gnome fires up so I guess gdm
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• 115[00:43:00] <somiaj> Latr_work: gdm should put it in /var/log
• 116[00:43:12] <somiaj> Latr_work: anways, I suggest using startx to debug the issue, what does running startx do?
• 117[00:43:12] <Latr_work> they aren't there :(
• 118[00:43:19] <Anonymous72> doe ssomeone know why debian installation usb stick shows up in a black screen ?
• 119[00:43:34] <cinesc> already tried it, am worried that it only looks at files that are supposed to be there but not those that I in this case want to find if there is any
• 120[00:43:37] <somiaj> Latr_work: probably because gdm (being gnome) is defaulting to wayland, unsure where wayland puts it logs.
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• 122[00:43:58] <somiaj> Anonymous72: how did you copy the debian .iso to the usb stick?
• 123[00:44:08] <jezebel> cinesc… there's rootkit detection stuff
• 124[00:44:24] <somiaj> cinesc: maybe be more specific, what are you seeing that concerns you (your questions are kinda vague)
• 125[00:44:32] <jezebel> there's antivirus
• 126[00:44:33] <Anonymous72> somiaj i used the default usb installer of linux
• 127[00:44:42] <cinesc> finding a trojan
• 128[00:44:44] <jezebel> but you'll need to be specific
• 129[00:44:48] <somiaj> Anonymous72: what does that mean? default usb installer?
• 130[00:44:56] <Anonymous72> @somi
• 131[00:44:59] <somiaj> Anonymous72: how did you copy the debian.iso you downloaded to your usb drive?
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• 133[00:45:36] <Anonymous72> i download it form the official source. then i have right click on it and take the opton : write on usb stick.
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• 135[00:45:49] <Anonymous72> and also i have try it with dd
• 136[00:45:56] <Anonymous72> and unetbootin. both failed.
• 137[00:45:58] <somiaj> Anonymous72: I have no clue what this 'write on usb stick' means.
• 138[00:45:59] <jezebel> a trojan in what sense? trojans do different things
• 139[00:46:02] <somiaj> !unetbootin
• 140[00:46:02] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
• 141[00:46:09] <Latr_work> somiaj: I will have to figure it out. Thanks
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• 143[00:46:32] <somiaj> Anonymous72: dd should work, I suggest you run cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where /dev/sdX is the actual usb drive you want to copy too (not the partition). Make sure this is not mounted in the first place.
• 144[00:46:37] <patterson> usb keys fail more than I do
• 145[00:46:42] <jezebel> the name trojan refers to its deceptive behavior, not really what it will do - does it keylog? delete files? mine bitcoin?
• 146[00:46:59] <Anonymous72> i try to install debian on a ppc64 little endian
• 147[00:47:15] <cinesc> does it include spying on what you look at?
• 148[00:47:18] <jezebel> each of those would be different to detect
• 149[00:47:23] <Anonymous72> i will try this out. thx <3
• 150[00:47:33] <somiaj> Anonymous72: ahh, this might need special methods to boot/install, ppc hardware doesn't work like i386, so unsure what to suggest here.
• 151[00:47:47] <Anonymous72> ah ok.. ^^
• 152[00:47:48] <jezebel> what you look at where? in the browser? on your desktop?
• 153[00:48:00] <somiaj> cinesc: what makes you think your system has been compermised? What version of debian are you running?
• 154[00:48:00] <patterson> specify the machine and make your life easier
• 155[00:48:17] <patterson> ppc what
• 156[00:48:29] <Anonymous72> ppc 64 little endian server...
• 157[00:48:40] <somiaj> cinesc: in general, if you think you have been compermised, the only solution is to take your sytem of the network imidetally, then to back up data (though be careful, that data could still be compermised) and do a fresh install.
• 158[00:48:42] <cinesc> anything
• 159[00:49:03] <patterson> As in a model number. A more descriptive computer name
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• 161[00:49:31] <somiaj> Anonymous72: is your machine a POWER8 machine?
• 162[00:49:46] <somiaj> Anonymous72: well a miniminum of POWER8, this will not work on older ppc hardware
• 163[00:49:51] <jezebel> there are legitimate tools for transmitting what's on your desktop to somewhere remote
• 164[00:50:03] <jezebel> e.g. vnc
• 165[00:50:06] <cinesc> Everytime I think about it, this is exactly what comes to mind even if it´s too late to do
• 166[00:50:16] <jezebel> they can be used for not-so-nice reasons too
• 167[00:50:21] <cinesc> somiaj
• 168[00:50:27] <somiaj> jezebel: what do you mean by transmitting? vnc is one, you can tunnel xorg over ssh (though this is really slow and doesn't share the desktop)
• 169[00:50:29] <Anonymous72> it is before 2013.. so it will not work.. hmm thx
• 170[00:50:52] <somiaj> oh wait, this is for cinesc, nevermind me.
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• 172[00:51:34] <somiaj> Anonymous72: there is an unoffical ppc port, check ports.debian.org, but it has little support and you are mostly on your own trying to get it to work. I've seen some struggle for a month getting it to work (really have to know what you are are doing)
• 173[00:51:38] <Anonymous72> cinesc should i pentest you quickly? :-)
• 174[00:51:54] <somiaj> but in general ppc hardware isn't supported anymore
• 175[00:51:57] <cinesc> how does that work?
• 176[00:51:57] <jezebel> their isp might object ;)
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• 178[00:52:59] <Anonymous72> i need an ip and then i can attack you from the inet to recon what open ports you are running.
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• 180[00:53:31] <Anonymous72> and then i can simulate a malicious attacker and report it to you
• 181[00:53:58] <cinesc> wait, is there a whitehat here? this might be someone who I have been looking after all along
• 182[00:54:05] <Anonymous72> note: you can change your ip with a router restart :-)
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• 184[00:54:31] <Anonymous72> i dont like hats..it cuts the oxygen off my brain :D
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• 187[00:54:52] <somiaj> depends, many ISPs cache the dhcp ip for a bit, so you can't just restart your router to be assigned a new ip.
• 188[00:55:28] <cinesc> you mean a router restart as in pulling out and putting back in restart or call the company to restart?
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• 190[00:55:43] <jezebel> just dial in to a different number, oh wait, wrong decade
• 191[00:55:43] <Anonymous72> pulling out
• 192[00:55:53] <somiaj> cinesc: You are being really vague, you should state more specifics.
• 193[00:56:09] <cinesc> the good old fashion way you meant
• 194[00:56:23] <Anonymous72> yes
• 195[00:56:32] <cinesc> hmm
• 196[00:56:34] <somiaj> cinesc: many routers use DHCP to get an ip from their ISP. Often times the ISP gives you a lease which reserves that IP for your hardware for a set period of time, so rebooting the router may not assign you a new ip as was suggsested.
• 197[00:56:35] <Anonymous72> or just use stubby and a openvpn profile
• 198[00:56:48] <Anonymous72> but then i can not pentest you :-)
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• 200[00:57:21] <cinesc> what does it require?
• 201[00:57:30] <Anonymous72> somiaj partially true. for troubleshooting purposes the isps have some json scripts.
• 202[00:58:14] <somiaj> depends on the ISP and if you specifcally release the dhcp lease or just restart the router.
• 203[00:58:16] <cinesc> can I add you as a friend or contact somewhere? @Anonymous72
• 204[00:58:49] <Anonymous72> if you want we can chat here officially :-) i have nothing to hide and love opensource <3
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• 207[00:59:21] <jezebel> Anonymous72… just have them visit shieldsup (if that still works?)
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• 209[00:59:25] <jezebel> :D
• 210[01:00:45] <Anonymous72> jezebel xD and online port scanner should replace a real red team scenarion ? xD
• 211[01:00:54] <Anonymous72> *an
• 212[01:01:18] <jezebel> no
• 213[01:02:14] <Anonymous72> hihi
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• 215[01:03:11] <cinesc> Was thinking something like hangouts or similar. Here works as well too but then I have to make a permanent account.
• 216[01:03:40] <Anonymous72> or oyu can use guerillamail
• 217[01:04:31] <Anonymous72> :-P
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• 219[01:04:47] <cinesc> heard protonmail and tuatra (which I think I spelled wrong) are valid options though
• 220[01:04:49] <Anonymous72> just kidding, there is everything readable....
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• 222[01:04:59] <cinesc> hah
• 223[01:05:02] <Anonymous72> protonmail is a cooloption
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• 225[01:05:23] <Anonymous72> but what exactly do u want ?
• 226[01:05:27] <cinesc> although one in particular is interesting
• 227[01:05:36] <somiaj> though this has drifted from (and unsure if it ever ways) debian support. cinesc has only talked about 'linux', but this is a debian support channel, not a pentest channel.
• 228[01:05:56] <Anonymous72> somiaj sry !
• 229[01:06:07] <somiaj> its fine, but lets get back to debian support if we can.
• 230[01:06:33] <Anonymous72> so ihave this old ppc 64 little endian. what i should choose to get the best out of it ?
• 231[01:06:45] <Anonymous72> and older version of debian maybe?
• 232[01:07:31] <cinesc> here is a fair share of interesting. replaced-url
• 233[01:07:36] <lupine> always choose an up-to-date version of debian
• 234[01:08:54] <Anonymous72> i like debian a lot, is rly stable and trustworthly.
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• 236[01:10:35] <Anonymous72> i have another server a dlg380 g7 with 256 gb ram and xeons in it with 15k sas raid but there debian is not so fast...
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• 238[01:11:05] <cinesc> that is a lot of ram
• 239[01:11:28] <cinesc> can it run chrome with 200+ tabs on it?
• 240[01:11:51] <jezebel> Anonymous72… i cant hear you!
• 241[01:12:41] <Anonymous72> 1084 tabs in a couple seconds. just pressing shortcut keys... with 16 gb ram and 1 xeon without problem.
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• 243[01:13:08] <Anonymous72> speaking louder to jezebel xD
• 244[01:13:49] <Anonymous72> now that cryptocurrency is not more profitable the companies get rid of the server they had.
• 245[01:14:16] <Anonymous72> but sry, i should rly only speak for debian. so, is debian good for cryptomining ?
• 246[01:14:24] <Anonymous72> xD
• 247[01:14:54] <somiaj> don't see why it wouldn't be, but it will require you install various software from third party.
• 248[01:15:17] <Anonymous72> so with 3 party software debian becomes than unstable and unsecure, rigth ?
• 249[01:15:27] <jezebel> my understanding is that you're not going to outcompete the ppl using ASICs and GPUs
• 250[01:16:03] <somiaj> Anonymous72: depends on the software and its requirements. If the third party software is fairly stand alone and works with debian libs, this works just fine (only the third party software maybe unstable, and you have to keep security up to it yourself)
• 251[01:16:06] <jezebel> they have entire data centers with said gear
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• 253[01:17:11] <Anonymous72> does debian have custom builds like ubuntu ? with custom logo and software precompiled in it ?
• 254[01:17:23] <somiaj> !pureblend
• 255[01:17:28] <somiaj> Anonymous72: not really
• 256[01:17:31] <somiaj> !debian pure blend
• 257[01:17:31] <dpkg> A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. replaced-url
• 258[01:17:38] <somiaj> that is the closest
• 259[01:17:49] <Anonymous72> ok wow
• 260[01:18:08] <Anonymous72> so i can make the system bullet proof with debian and then just virtual instance a distro ?
• 261[01:18:19] <somiaj> they use the same debian packages, but may ship additional configurations, or have all the said packages needed for a certain task set up to easilly install.
• 262[01:18:48] <somiaj> sure you can use debian has a host, and then use xen, lxc, qmeu-kvm, or what not to run vms inside of it
• 263[01:19:06] <Anonymous72> wow, xen will bee a good option for me
• 264[01:19:11] <somiaj> using virtualization that isn't included in debian adds another layer (such as virtualbox isn't in debian anymore due to oracle policy)
• 265[01:19:26] <somiaj> I prefer qemu-kvm because it is already included int he linux kernel, and doesn't need additional modules like xen
• 266[01:19:29] <Anonymous72> ahh.. policys ^^ ....
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• 268[01:20:42] <somiaj> yea oracle won't support a frozen version of virtual box, and debian doens't want to yet again make an exception where security fixes are providing the newest version of said software.
• 269[01:20:55] <somiaj> Browsers are the only exception to said policy because they are so core these days.
• 270[01:21:21] <Anonymous72> i have infromed me for qemu...the new CVEs for qemu are scary...
• 271[01:21:38] <somiaj> The sad part is vbox developers have (and would) help debian out, but oracle's policy won't let them.
• 272[01:22:40] <somiaj> Anonymous72: do you have the CVE numbers for that?
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• 276[01:23:42] <Anonymous72> its cool to be independent, but imagine an independency in open source ? i think is not possible...
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• 278[01:24:01] <Anonymous72> debian should be more chill with some big companys with good products.. :-)
• 279[01:24:30] <somiaj> Its more debian has a fairly standard policy, and if debian cannot support a frozen version, this breaks debian's policy
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• 281[01:24:51] <Anonymous72> because if some companys break the policy, other company steal it ...
• 282[01:25:19] <somiaj> in this case it isn't that, it is oracle will not help debian backport security fixes to older versions of virtualbox. They only support the current version
• 283[01:25:20] <Anonymous72> can we not just delete all policy rules of the world with a powerfull script , dear python gods? xD
• 284[01:25:23] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 285[01:25:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 287[01:26:23] <somiaj> Debian is working on creating a method in which we can make packages available to stable without having them frozen in stable. In stretch we used stretch-backports for this, but this didn't work, and so they developers are working on some way to add stuff to stable while keeping the core frozen.
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• 289[01:27:20] <Anonymous72> interesting...
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• 291[01:27:37] <Anonymous72> if i had the knowledge, i will help out right now...
• 292[01:27:49] <somiaj> problem is, if something isn't sutibile for stable, it isn't sutitible for testing, but then it can't be backported.
• 293[01:27:59] <somiaj> It is more policy than building
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• 297[01:33:53] <intruder01> I had lots of fun with LXC
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• 300[01:35:01] <Anonymous72> oh noo! an intrueder? where is the idps when whe need him.
• 301[01:36:39] <Anonymous72> lxc is cool, it remembers me the qubesos project.
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• 304[01:41:16] <Anonymous72> thanks to this awesome channel for taking away my abored brain :-)
• 305[01:41:22] <Anonymous72> i tcp syn rst know
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• 345[02:22:47] <concernsforever> gonna post something is in my bonés because i want a CLEAN linux
• 346[02:23:26] <concernsforever> in steps boot steps
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• 348[02:24:31] <concernsforever> pasteboard.co/ the rest do wundows your choice
• 349[02:25:10] <concernsforever> IDGd3XU.jpg
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• 396[03:00:53] <jim> hi, how does debian set its default locations for libs? I see that /etc/ld.so.conf includes ld.so.conf.d/*.conf, nothing else in there (so /usr/lib doesn't come from that), and the only file in that dir is glibc.conf, which has /usr/local/lib
• 397[03:01:43] <jim> not glibc.conf, but libc.conf
• 398[03:02:35] <jim> anyway mostly my question is what are the default locations, and where/how do those defaults get to ld.so?
• 399[03:03:02] <ksk> jim: I think if you really wanted to know, take a look here: replaced-url
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• 401[03:03:56] <jim> thanks, I'll add that to our ##linux discussion
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• 403[03:04:38] <ksk> what is your actualy question, anyways?
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• 406[03:04:54] <ksk> like, what are you really trying to do.
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• 411[03:11:43] <jim> help someone run an app they just compiled which also builds libs
• 412[03:12:00] <jim> here
• 413[03:12:18] <jim> is what I'm presently curious about:
• 414[03:12:36] <ksk> !problem
• 415[03:12:37] <dpkg> well, problem is something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described. A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem.
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• 419[03:14:56] <jim> the doc you linked, has a section 8.1.1 ldconfig, which says: "Any package installing shared libraries in one of the default library directories of the dynamic linker (which are currently /usr/lib and /lib) .... must use ldconfig to update the shared library system."
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• 423[03:17:59] <jim> my question, both then and now (already clearly stated, and now repeated): where does the information of the default dirs /usr/lib and /lib, is read from, whose effect is to make those dirs content get pulled into execuables?
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• 425[03:21:11] <jim> that's really all I need; I just now realized I couldn't see them anymore, they're no longer in ld.so.conf, or in any files in ld.so.conf.d... so where are they?
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• 436[03:35:41] <oxek> I want to remove avahi-daemon, I issue `apt purge avahi-daemon` and it wants to remove all of gnome
• 437[03:35:44] <oxek> what gives?
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• 444[03:46:53] <jim> oxek, the gnome stuff must depend on avahi daemon
• 445[03:47:24] <oxek> jim: yeah found out, sound really pointless
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• 450[03:49:49] <jim> oxek, the assumption the package management system makes, is: if a package (say, A) that other packages (say, B, C, D) depend on, it will assume that A is needed for B, C, and D to run... so, a removal of A, which would cause B, C, and D to fail, would cause the package management to assume it should also remove B, C and D
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• 455[03:52:48] <jim> oxek, the package metadata has the dependency data in it, so that's what the package manager has to go on... if it turns out that (say) B, C and D would run even if A is removed, that's a separate matter
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• 457[03:53:51] <oxek> jim: I would hope gnome can run without any networking by default
• 458[03:53:55] <oxek> if not, then something is wrong with gnome
• 459[03:54:22] <oxek> not sure if this is a debian packaging issue or gnome issue though
• 460[03:54:36] <jim> not necessarily... what you can assume, is that the maintainers have a different idea of what's needed
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• 463[03:56:19] <jim> it may be that gnome depends on a subset of the networking code, so they don't have to create exceptional cases in the code
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• 715[09:40:26] <annadane> nvidia cards don't "pass through" to virtual machines, right...?
• 716[09:41:03] <annadane> i'm just wondering how much virt-manager will detect my nvidia card (using the proprietary driver, on the host) and because nvidia's done this it'll affect this in some way?
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• 723[09:43:43] <rudi_s> annadane: You can pass-through nvidia cards. But then they aren't available on the host.
• 724[09:43:54] <rudi_s> So virt-manager won't detect the nvidia card.
• 725[09:44:06] <rudi_s> *So in your setup virt-manager
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• 727[09:44:59] <annadane> i guess i'm maybe just confused as to what virt-manager uses in general and also the problems people have had with nvidia, i assume that if i set up a generic debian and don't install nvidia-driver in it (on the guest), it uses nouveau, but if i apt install nvidia-driver it... does nothing?
• 728[09:45:04] <annadane> just not sure about stuff in general
• 729[09:45:42] <rudi_s> annadane: No. Per default qemu just emulates a generic graphics card so no nvidia/nouveau drivers will be used.
• 730[09:46:30] <rudi_s> There is no problem with nvidia cards when you just want to create generic VMs. It gets more interesting if you want to pass an nvidia card into a vm for example to play games from inside a windows vm.
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• 785[10:42:21] <xormor> should I use the 4.19 Debian Linux kernel or the 5.2 version?
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• 791[10:44:49] <at0m> xormor: anything in either that you need or doesn't work in the other? if not, why bother?
• 792[10:45:27] <xormor> at0m, both work similarly. I think the 4.19 is faster, when I use the desktop and the system overall.
• 793[10:45:33] <xormor> Linux debianvakaa 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u1 (2019-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 794[10:46:43] <at0m> if you think your system prefers 4.19, then that'll be it i guess =)
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• 799[10:52:45] <at0m> xormor: always good to have another known working kernel around, in case the first one fails. so here, i'd keep that 5.2 around.
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• 801[10:54:03] <xormor> at0m, how would I make the system boot to 4.19 by default?
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• 807[10:59:46] <at0m> xormor: quick and dirty would be to set grub's default (which i assume is your bootloader) via /boot/grub/grub.cfg. but that'll only last until next kernel update/upgrade, when grub will overwrite that. that's sourced from /etc/default/grub, which is more persistent, but some grub-install (iirc) command is needed to change the file in /boot. so i go about editing both manually, until next kernel install
• 808[10:59:52] <at0m> script does it for me
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• 810[11:00:26] <at0m> result of both will be the same though, so i don't bother much.
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• 816[11:04:37] <annadane> 4.19 is the best supported as it comes with buster
• 817[11:04:50] <annadane> 5.2 will change, i don't think it's LTS (long term support)
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• 819[11:05:11] <annadane> so if you have no reason to prefer another kernel i wouldn't bother
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• 822[11:06:55] <xormor> thanks.
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• 828[11:10:57] <jelly> 5.4 is supposed to be a longterm branch
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• 834[11:13:24] <hans_> why does /bin/mount have setuid permission? mount does not need setuid to check that it's not root and print "only root can do that"
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• 839[11:18:22] <hans_> nvm, man mount explains it (/etc/fstab `user` option)
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• 849[11:32:57] <xormor> at0m, yes, I got it to work. I had to do some copy-pasting: "sudo nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg".
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• 864[11:36:09] <humpled> erm, are you sure that's a good idea xormor?
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• 866[11:36:29] <xormor> humpled, not a very good idea. it still works. I was able to boot.
• 867[11:36:33] <xormor> Linux debianvakaa 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u1 (2019-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 869[11:36:50] <humpled> i guess it's fine as a temporary solution
• 870[11:36:57] <xormor> "vakaa"="stable" in Finnish, there is the kernel version, the architecture and the system type.
• 871[11:38:04] <xormor> humpled, what would be a good permanent solution?
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• 878[11:40:05] <humpled> usually you're supposed to edit /etc/default/grub or edit or write a template in /etc/grub.d
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• 907[11:50:17] <iwkse> /j #taskcoach
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• 909[11:50:48] <annadane> mistyped command, or suggestion?!
• 910[11:51:04] <iwkse> annadane: typo, got one space at the beginning :-)
• 911[11:51:11] <iwkse> but also a suggestion if you like
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• 927[12:11:28] <boktan> i cannot resize any window on KDE
• 928[12:11:32] <boktan> how to fix this problem?
• 929[12:12:03] <boktan> i tryed default settings but result was same
• 930[12:12:59] <AimHere> It's not something dopey like a modifier key on your keyboard (control, or alt or something) stuck in a 'pressed' state?
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• 934[12:14:19] <boktan> please help me thank you
• 935[12:14:36] <annadane> boktan, AimHere was replying to you
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• 942[12:17:03] <boktan> oh annadane how to know if somethings is pressed i dont think it but how to check ity?
• 943[12:17:14] <boktan> aimhere
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• 948[12:19:37] <AimHere> Just open some app where you know the effects of the key when it's pressed and not pressed. For shift, say, you can just open a text editor, press 'x' and then press 'shift + x' and they should act appropriately
• 949[12:20:25] <boktan> xXi
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• 952[12:20:35] <boktan> its working aimhere
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• 954[12:20:51] <AimHere> Or just visually inspect your keyboard, if there's a danger of it being dirty
• 955[12:21:01] <boktan> the laptop is 1 week old
• 956[12:21:03] <boktan> :D
• 957[12:21:44] <AimHere> Yeah, fair enough. There may be other causes, but I often find when window managers don't work the way I expect, it might be due to control or alt being stuck
• 958[12:22:26] <boktan> akt+tab is changind window fine
• 959[12:23:08] <boktan> alt*
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• 963[12:26:03] <boktan> how to reset everything about kde?
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• 1014[13:13:10] <Latr_work> good morning
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• 1021[13:19:09] <Latr_work> rofl
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• 1034[13:31:20] <gidna> Hello
• 1035[13:32:08] <gidna> Must the confing file wpa_supplicant.conf be put in /etc/wpa_supplicant dir?
• 1036[13:33:31] <armin> gidna: just call "wpa_supplicant" without any arguments and see the last example line
• 1037[13:33:41] <armin> gidna: it will tell you what you have to do
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• 1042[13:36:54] <gidna> armin, wpa_supplicant -Dnl80211 -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
• 1043[13:37:06] <gidna> this is the example given
• 1044[13:37:17] <gidna> but I see there's the dir /etc/wpa_supplicant/
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• 1056[13:44:16] <pasiz> gidna: do you try just connect to network with debian?
• 1057[13:44:31] <gidna> What do you mean?
• 1058[13:45:08] <pasiz> what you are trying to accomplish
• 1059[13:45:24] <pasiz> is nmtui bad tool for you?
• 1060[13:46:10] <gidna> pasiz, I'm under Icewm
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• 1062[13:48:09] <ratrace> gidna: if you're using wpa_supplicant manually, the config file can be anywhere and given via -c . otherwise services and the interfaces(5) framework expect stuff to be in /etc/wpa_supplicant
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• 1066[13:51:45] <pasiz> gidna: nmtui is text based
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• 1068[13:52:18] <gidna> pasiz, I find only wired networks not wireless
• 1069[13:52:50] <pasiz> do you need firmware for your card
• 1070[13:53:10] <gidna> pasiz, I can use the card with other tools..
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• 1123[14:24:20] <annadane> hmm
• 1124[14:24:25] <annadane> man hier doesn't have /run
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• 1131[14:25:55] <annadane> oh it's all a bunch of symlinks
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• 1133[14:26:23] <phogg> annadane /run was added quite recently
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• 1135[14:27:40] <annadane> it does have /var/run which is the same
• 1136[14:27:55] <phogg> annadane: see replaced-url
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• 1138[14:28:15] <phogg> I am not sure if/when this is getting/will get added to the official FHS
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• 1144[14:30:59] <annadane> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Oct 25 02:53 /var/run -> /run
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• 1158[14:42:47] <ayekat> /run has been a thing for quite a while now
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• 1180[15:03:27] <debian-guy> hi
• 1181[15:03:54] <debian-guy> I installed debian 10.1 today but it doesn't start X
• 1182[15:05:07] <debian-guy> loading kind of freezes on the screen where it shows a bunch of text on black screen. I go to a new session then and do stuff in terminal, I stried startx but GUI didn't start
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• 1185[15:06:28] <debian-guy> what can I do?
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• 1187[15:06:56] <NetTerminalGene> debian-guy, i dunno, but you have nvidia card? maybe it doesn2t start because of wayland?
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• 1189[15:07:19] <debian-guy> I have amd radeon
• 1190[15:07:21] <maxbande> ciao a tutti
• 1191[15:07:30] <uio> debian-guy, Probably a bad question, but what DE did you choose?
• 1192[15:07:32] <maxbande> !list
• 1193[15:07:32] <dpkg> maxbande: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
• 1194[15:07:36] <debian-guy> I don't know, everytrhing worked on debian 9
• 1195[15:07:55] <galvanoport> i have tuttufurutti graphic card
• 1196[15:07:56] <debian-guy> uio: I didn't choose any during install so it should be default so I assume GNOME
• 1197[15:08:15] <uio> debian-guy, Did you upgrade from 9 or do a fresh 10 install?
• 1198[15:08:23] <debian-guy> I did a fresh install
• 1199[15:08:29] <maxbande> !list
• 1200[15:08:29] <dpkg> maxbande: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
• 1201[15:08:45] <uio> what iso did you choose?
• 1202[15:08:51] <debian-guy> netinstall x64
• 1203[15:09:06] <uio> Did you install a DE after? Pretty sure that one has no DE....
• 1204[15:09:09] <uio> or WM.
• 1205[15:09:39] <uio> Oops, I think I might be wrong, did you choose one during the install process?
• 1206[15:09:48] <debian-guy> I didn't but when it asked me about DE during install the selected option was Default Debian Environment and I went with that
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• 1208[15:09:59] <uio> debian-guy, Okay. I see.
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• 1210[15:11:30] <debian-guy> when I tried startx it said connection refused
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• 1213[15:12:56] <uio> debian-guy, Is it anything like this : replaced-url
• 1214[15:12:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1216[15:15:02] <debian-guy> I don't think I got that error, I wish I could copy the message somehow
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• 1226[15:24:41] <humpled> <debian-guy> loading kind of freezes on the screen where it shows a bunch of text on black screen. I go to a new session then and do stuff in terminal, I stried startx but GUI didn't start
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• 1228[15:25:46] <humpled> sounds like the desktop was installed but that X could not start properly, probably due to some incompatibility of settings or drivers with the video card
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• 1230[15:27:10] <uio> debian-guy, But didn't Debian 9 work fine?
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• 1232[15:27:47] <debian-guy> debian 9 worked fine
• 1233[15:27:49] <uio> debian-guy, Did you compare the error messages.
• 1234[15:27:52] <uio> So, not drivers.
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• 1237[15:28:54] <debian-guy> I will post xorg log
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• 1242[15:32:32] <debian-guy> replaced-url
• 1243[15:33:07] <debian-guy> Fatal server error: [ 177.538] (EE) Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices
• 1244[15:33:18] <debian-guy> seems like that might be the relevant bit
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• 1259[15:46:09] <debian-guy> also I get a lot of this in my dmesg:
• 1260[15:46:16] <debian-guy> pstore: decompression failed: -22
• 1261[15:46:28] <debian-guy> pstore: crypto_comp_decompress failed, ret = -22!
• 1262[15:46:31] <ahi2> how do i prevent /etc/resolv.conf being overwritten at boot?
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• 1268[15:52:27] <ahi2> chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
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• 1271[15:52:50] <rudi_s> ahi2: That's a workaround, but not the best solution. Find out what overwrites it and reconfigure that program (e.g. your dhcp client).
• 1272[15:53:07] <rudi_s> debian-guy: pstore is not relevent for this issue, the errors are harmless.
• 1273[15:53:14] <debian-guy> oh ok
• 1274[15:53:23] <rudi_s> debian-guy: Do you have systemd-logind installed?
• 1275[15:53:27] <rudi_s> And is dbus running?
• 1276[15:53:35] <debian-guy> I don't know, it's a fresh install
• 1277[15:53:43] <boktan> can anybody confirm if have /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.dhcpd or not on he's linux?
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• 1279[15:53:49] <boktan> because of i dont have it
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• 1281[15:54:47] <rudi_s> boktan: Looks like it's not in Debian.
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• 1283[15:55:11] <debian-guy> I'm missing firmware for my gpu, on debian 9 gui would still work without it, but maybe installing it will solve my issue
• 1284[15:55:18] <debian-guy> how do I add non free repo from command line?
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• 1287[15:55:59] <debian-guy> I mean enable debian non free repo that's normally disabled
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• 1290[15:57:24] <FleaFart> Hello peeps; I have just installed a debian distro and a package called CodeLite which asks to use a G++ compiler: However, there is a choice GCC or Cross GCC (x86_64-linux-gnu) ... may I ask which choice is the most powerful or most current?
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• 1293[15:58:51] <FleaFart> BTW, if you want are interested in C++ and classes this software has a nice gui and works very well
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• 1299[16:00:18] <humpled> i think a cross-compiling generates executables for alternative architectures
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• 1302[16:01:17] <FleaFart> thanks
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• 1304[16:02:29] <FleaFart> I am only learning so GCC is enuff as it only for the box I am working on. Thanks for your feedback.
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• 1370[17:02:44] <debian-guy> I installed missing gpu firmware and that fixed my issue
• 1371[17:03:42] <nsa_> is there a FOSS prefered alternative to github.com now that it is owned by microsoft ?
• 1372[17:03:42] <debian-guy> now I have another problem. The OS doesn't detect all resolutions correctly. How do I add new one in Debian 10? On Debian 9 I used to use xrandr but that method doesn't work with wayland
• 1373[17:04:07] <debian-guy> nsa_: there are many, gitlab is partially free
• 1374[17:04:19] <debian-guy> some projects moved there
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• 1381[17:08:54] <tomreyn> debian-guy: which graphics card, driver?
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• 1385[17:09:26] <debian-guy> tomreyn: amd radeon r7 250x, default amdpgu driver shipped with Debian 0
• 1386[17:09:30] <debian-guy> Debian 10
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• 1392[17:13:03] <tomreyn> did it default to amdgpu? i guess it can work, but this one is on the verge between radeon and amdgpu. if you can't pick the proper resolution using xrandr even though the driver is loaded and all of its firmware was found it's either due to your monitor (but unlikely, since you said it worked before) or because Xorg fell back to VESA mode for some reason. see the xorg initialization for further hints, and make sure your /proc/cmdline does not
• 1393[17:13:03] <tomreyn> set incompatible options.
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• 1395[17:13:43] <tomreyn> (also the module should not be blacklisted or loaded with incompatible options)
• 1396[17:14:11] <debian-guy> I haven't checked the driver, on Debian 9 the same card had radeon driver. I assume it's the same, but haven't checked
• 1397[17:14:48] <tomreyn> lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999 should tell which drivers are available, are loaded
• 1398[17:14:56] <towo`> tomreyn, xrandr in generaly doesn't work on wayland
• 1399[17:14:59] <debian-guy> I can't change modes with xrandr under wayland
• 1400[17:15:16] <tomreyn> oh, i did not see wayland mentioned
• 1401[17:15:45] <tomreyn> right, you said so, sorry
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• 1403[17:16:05] <debian-guy> that's ok, I need a way to add a custom resolution in wayland
• 1404[17:16:09] <tomreyn> still, i suggest you check what i pointed to, to make sure wverything else is properly configured
• 1405[17:16:51] <tomreyn> are you using gnome-shell / mutter there then?
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• 1408[17:17:06] <tomreyn> the 'new' gnome desktop?
• 1409[17:17:14] <debian-guy> the GUI works just under low resolution
• 1410[17:17:28] <debian-guy> it's running gnome
• 1411[17:17:50] <tomreyn> so start with the lspci output
• 1412[17:17:55] <towo`> debian-guy, connection between card and monitor is how?
• 1413[17:18:01] <tomreyn> then check journalctl -b for X logs
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• 1415[17:18:09] <debian-guy> towo`: d-sub, it's an old monitor
• 1416[17:18:16] <towo`> VGA?
• 1417[17:18:19] <debian-guy> yes
• 1418[17:18:38] <tomreyn> oh
• 1419[17:18:39] <towo`> then the card propably can't read the right values from the monitor
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• 1421[17:19:16] <towo`> debian-guy, if i would be you, i would switch to xorg
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• 1423[17:19:21] <debian-guy> I think it always worked on Windows, just on Debian I have this issue where I had to add a custom resolution
• 1424[17:19:41] <debian-guy> towo`: why? will I lose anything if I switch?
• 1425[17:19:50] <towo`> no, why you should?
• 1426[17:19:50] <debian-guy> wayland is supposed to be better right?
• 1427[17:20:07] <towo`> wayland is all other, than ready for all usecases
• 1428[17:20:19] <towo`> you see it yourself now
• 1429[17:20:38] <debian-guy> then why does a stable distro like debian include it? :(
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• 1431[17:20:45] <towo`> why not?
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• 1433[17:21:08] <debian-guy> if people have to switch
• 1434[17:21:36] <towo`> debian-guy, you have realized, only gnome is running on wayland nowdays?
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• 1436[17:21:52] <debian-guy> no, didn't know
• 1437[17:22:39] <debian-guy> is there no way to add custom resolution on wayland? switching to xorg seems like a lazy workaround :)
• 1438[17:23:00] <tomreyn> you'd normally use gnome-settings to do so
• 1439[17:23:08] <debian-guy> I will do it if there is no other way but still
• 1440[17:23:20] <debian-guy> gnome settings only has 1024x768
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• 1442[17:23:34] <towo`> debian-guy, wayland is for modern hardware, vga is not modern
• 1443[17:23:51] <debian-guy> I see
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• 1447[17:24:56] <towo`> i forget to say, wayland is really nice, if it is ready somedays
• 1448[17:25:49] <simbalion> can someone help with this error? replaced-url
• 1449[17:28:09] <tomreyn> simbalion: "Package mariadb-server-10.1 is not configured yet" is why this command failed. apt-get -f install to do so
• 1450[17:28:52] <tomreyn> presumely you already saw the other error message about mariadb-server-10.1 failing to configure. you'll see it again now.
• 1451[17:29:02] <simbalion> tomreyn: no that's wrong, it throws the exact same error.
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• 1453[17:29:57] <tomreyn> how about dpkg --configure mariadb-server-10.1
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• 1455[17:30:15] <simbalion> Same error
• 1456[17:30:31] <tomreyn> it's impossible to be the same error, it's a different package
• 1457[17:30:53] <tomreyn> can you share the output?
• 1458[17:31:11] <SerajewelKS> after formatting an md device as luks, apparently the luks header looks like a partition table because two md partition devices were automatically created
• 1459[17:31:15] <SerajewelKS> how can i prevent that from happening?
• 1460[17:31:17] <simbalion> tomreyn: It is the same error!
• 1461[17:31:44] <simbalion> tomreyn: replaced-url
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• 1466[17:33:11] <tomreyn> simbalion: so this time package mariadb-server-10.1 failed to configure, specifically the post installation script failed.
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• 1468[17:33:29] <simbalion> that was the only error every single time
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• 1470[17:33:57] <SerajewelKS> stopping and assembling the array confirms this, the partition devices are recreated. in the kernel log: md2: AHDI p1 p2 p3
• 1471[17:34:10] <simbalion> I did not need help reading the error, I am capable of reading english. I need help fixing the error.
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• 1475[17:35:31] <simbalion> Can nobody help with this error?
• 1476[17:35:33] <tomreyn> simbalion: hey calm down, i'm just trying to help. try dpkg -C mariadb-server-10.1
• 1477[17:35:46] <simbalion> Is that the same as --configure
• 1478[17:36:14] <tomreyn> no
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• 1480[17:37:15] <simbalion> tomreyn: worthless. replaced-url
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• 1487[17:40:15] <jjcjjc> This is weird. As root I get "cryptsetup: command not found" but cryptsetup works fine when I sudo instead. What's going on ?
• 1488[17:40:49] <tomreyn> simbalion: dpkg --debug=help if you'd like see how to get more output from dpkg. or you could set -x on the beginning of the postconf script.
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• 1490[17:41:38] <tomreyn> jjcjjc: different $PATH? aliases?
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• 1493[17:42:46] <tomreyn> try running cryptsetup as root using the installation path the restricted user account sees when it runs whereis cryptsetup
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• 1495[17:43:40] <tomreyn> that's only if you think it's safe to do so
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• 1498[17:44:36] <jjcjjc> tomreyn, yeah that works. root's PATH doesn't have /usr/sbin
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• 1500[17:44:58] <tomreyn> that's unusual
• 1501[17:45:25] <tomreyn> someone must have edited it ;)
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• 1507[17:47:47] <jjcjjc> heh. I copied some of my old installation's /root/* in but don't think I clobbered any dot files. gonna update using /etc/profile
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• 1522[17:55:15] <SerajewelKS> jjcjjc: how did you log in as root? su?
• 1523[17:55:58] <losgb1> Hi, I'm on Debien 10.1 Buster and I have just upgraded firefox to the latest security update (68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1). There is a grey frame that limits the edges of the screen when in firefox, is there any way to remove this or is this just how the firefox window is now ?
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• 1525[17:57:17] <jjcjjc> SerajewelKS, yes by su
• 1526[17:58:00] <jjcjjc> After updating /root/.bashrc and /root/.profile it's fine
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• 1528[18:00:53] <tomreyn> losgb1: can you show a screenshot of this (without disclosing personal information)?
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• 1530[18:01:26] <tomreyn> you could host it on imgur.com or similar
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• 1532[18:02:12] <ayekat> jjcjjc: there is no need to manually add sbin to root's PATH in /root/.bashrc or /root/.profile - just log launch a login shell with `su -`
• 1533[18:02:28] <ayekat> s/log//
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• 1538[18:04:12] <ayekat> (also, more generally, setting variables like PATH in .bashrc isn't very clean)
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• 1543[18:05:45] <losgb1> tomreyn Ok
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• 1548[18:08:11] <jjcjjc> sounds good, thanks
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• 1551[18:09:27] <losgb1> tomreyn replaced-url
• 1552[18:09:36] <losgb1> It's framed in a grey border.
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• 1561[18:20:23] <tomreyn> losgb1: is this just on google or elsewhere, too?
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• 1563[18:20:49] <losgb1> tomreyn It's everywhere, that's how the pages are displayed.
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• 1565[18:21:13] <tomreyn> that's unusal. check your browser addons
• 1566[18:21:37] <tomreyn> you can create a new browser profile for testing by running firefox -P
• 1567[18:21:38] <losgb1> like disable them and see what I get ?
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• 1570[18:21:45] <losgb1> Ok
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• 1572[18:22:03] <losgb1> Will it create a new directory in /home/.mozilla ?
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• 1574[18:22:18] <tomreyn> there's also an option to restart with addons disabled on the help menu
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• 1576[18:22:26] <losgb1> Ok
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• 1580[18:22:38] <losgb1> Which one should I go for first ?
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• 1583[18:23:49] <losgb1> Nah, same thing with addons disabled in the help menu
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• 1589[18:24:44] <losgb1> I have a pretty steep user.js so maybe the problem lies there.
• 1590[18:24:49] <losgb1> I'll try without it
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• 1593[18:26:04] <losgb1> I think I found it, it's in the user.js ...
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• 1595[18:26:12] <losgb1> Pages display normally without it.
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• 1619[18:41:24] <intruder01> is there any gpl'd or at least open-source alternatives to google/amazon/apple's voice recognition software?
• 1620[18:41:59] <intruder01> even their speech synthesis seems way ahead of festival or espeak
• 1621[18:43:55] <tomreyn> intruder01: see iot.mozilla.org
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• 1631[18:48:21] <intruder01> interesting, thanks!
• 1632[18:50:01] <losgb1> tomreyn apparently it was the pref "privacy.resistFingerprinting.letterboxing" that was resizing the inner window when set to true.
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• 1635[18:52:46] <betelgelseorion> need some help
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• 1638[18:54:51] <Ede|Popede> you found a support channel. LVLUP!
• 1639[18:54:57] <betelgelseorion> windows10pro qemukmv woking as demand
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• 1645[18:55:47] <jhutchins> !br
• 1646[18:55:47] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
• 1647[18:55:54] <betelgelseorion> uploaded to the google cloud and after only jack can unlock
• 1648[18:55:57] <todi> good evening everyone with each other
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• 1653[18:57:39] <betelgelseorion> for my aw windows was replaced to grub
• 1654[18:58:18] <betelgelseorion> in misterious ways
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• 1656[18:58:49] <betelgelseorion> aannalll i cant get my windows
• 1657[18:59:00] <tomreyn> losgb1: ah so that's to prevent window size snooping apparently replaced-url
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• 1659[18:59:32] <tomreyn> losgb1: i guess it makes sense that you end up with a fixed size then.
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• 1662[19:00:04] <betelgelseorion> virtual machine manager
• 1663[19:00:39] <betelgelseorion> few minutes ago
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• 1665[19:01:46] <betelgelseorion> grub installed in my windows
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• 1668[19:02:05] <betelgelseorion> in recovery mode
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• 1670[19:02:12] <tomreyn> betelgelseorion: try to write full sentences, use punctuation, keep it on one line.
• 1671[19:02:15] <betelgelseorion> desperate
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• 1676[19:05:23] <betelgelseorion> now cant get prompt for the vm
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• 1678[19:05:44] <betelgelseorion> blank window
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• 1680[19:06:36] <betelgelseorion> window
• 1681[19:07:29] <betelgelseorion> hopless
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• 1685[19:07:55] <losgb1> tomreyn that's right. I chose esthetics over fingerprinting here ahah
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• 1687[19:08:34] <betelgelseorion> grub came firt
• 1688[19:08:42] <betelgelseorion> firt
• 1689[19:09:13] <betelgelseorion> none now
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• 1691[19:09:52] <betelgelseorion> grub in windows 10?
• 1692[19:10:09] <betelgelseorion> wtf
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• 1694[19:10:46] <betelgelseorion> is a qemukvm
• 1695[19:10:52] <Ede|Popede> betelgelseorion: windows10, qemu, google cloud, grub, vm. i literally have no clue what you're trying to say.
• 1696[19:11:16] <betelgelseorion> is local
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• 1701[19:12:44] <betelgelseorion> uncle bill cant flee from my
• 1702[19:12:46] <Ede|Popede> betelgelseorion: could you describe your setup? you have debian installed i guess?
• 1703[19:13:07] <betelgelseorion> buster
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• 1706[19:14:17] <Ede|Popede> and you're running windows in a vm? or how does this fit in?
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• 1711[19:15:46] <betelgelseorion> yes i have a vmwindows 10pro in buster
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• 1714[19:18:54] <betelgelseorion> got minimal grub... not any more
• 1715[19:19:18] <betelgelseorion> desperate
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• 1717[19:22:00] <betelgelseorion> i have my life in it
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• 1719[19:23:01] <Ede|Popede> so the vm with win doesn't start anymore?
• 1720[19:23:12] <betelgelseorion> linux trustfull?
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• 1723[19:23:29] <betelgelseorion> not so ever
• 1724[19:23:34] <oerheks> your life in a vm?
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• 1726[19:23:56] <betelgelseorion> is a box
• 1727[19:24:42] <betelgelseorion> where yours things live on?
• 1728[19:24:49] <cinesc> try reinstall the OS you run in a vm if it´s broken
• 1729[19:24:49] <betelgelseorion> dude
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• 1732[19:25:53] <cinesc> although that is one I wonder how to pull off let alone set up an OS in a vm
• 1733[19:26:28] <betelgelseorion> less work is the way for you
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• 1737[19:28:04] <betelgelseorion> ive been in internet
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• 1741[19:29:10] <betelgelseorion> beavis yhaks for your advive
• 1742[19:29:30] <beavis> ?
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• 1745[19:30:37] <betelgelseorion> cant manage my vm
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• 1749[19:31:06] <betelgelseorion> and my live is in it thanks linux
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• 1753[19:31:57] <betelgelseorion> beavis
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• 1757[19:34:36] <betelgelseorion> who i should S*ck for the
• 1758[19:35:08] <betelgelseorion> favor
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• 1763[19:36:37] <betelgelseorion> not a promise
• 1764[19:37:13] <betelgelseorion> my gratitude woth more
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• 1766[19:39:45] <betelgelseorion> not a simple ask
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• 1771[19:41:29] <betelgelseorion> remember grub in windows, and wonder minutes no command line
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• 1775[19:42:57] <betelgelseorion> migrate the file?
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• 1778[19:44:36] <betelgelseorion> zzzzz
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• 1787[19:50:09] <betelgelseorion> VMM is a lady to files
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• 1789[19:51:05] <betelgelseorion> gona fix by hand NOT
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• 1792[19:54:01] <betelgelseorion> linux works
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• 1798[19:56:33] <betelgelseorion> thinhing
• 1799[19:56:53] <betelgelseorion> king
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• 1804[20:02:22] <alexb_> Hi! I'm using a container in order to compile very old stuff with ggc4. But I just figure out that cpp-arm-linux-gnueabi is missing. How can I have it knowing that emdebian.org is down? thanks :)
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• 1806[20:04:19] <betelgelseorion> so hapy for you
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• 1810[20:07:17] <betelgelseorion> apt up grage dint worked guess not
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• 1816[20:10:20] <Ede|Popede> from yesterday -> if i try to read a big file from a thumb drive and on 2 different PCs it stops after the same amount of sectors, can i assume the thing to be dead then and the data lost?
• 1817[20:10:20] <Ede|Popede> now i dd'd the whole stick, filesize is as it should be, loop mounted the whole thing, tried to copy out the files i couldn't read on the stick and... i get the same I/O error. while reading file blocks from an image? is there some special marker in the dump if something couldn't be read or what's going on?
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• 1820[20:11:23] <jhutchins> Ede|Popede: I would say that either the file or the drive or both are corrupted.
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• 1822[20:11:28] <Ede|Popede> i was prepared for 2 things: 1. dd ignores the unreadable parts and i get a smaller file 2) dd fills up the holes and the size is of the original. but this?
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• 1824[20:11:37] <jhutchins> Ede|Popede: Flash is not a good archival medium.
• 1825[20:12:01] <Ede|Popede> jhutchins: i still prefer good old HDs
• 1826[20:12:21] <jhutchins> Ede|Popede: You could try running fsck on it.
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• 1830[20:13:13] <Ede|Popede> oh, FATs differ
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• 1832[20:13:24] <betelgelseorion> not so ever n
• 1833[20:13:59] <betelgelseorion> gona get worse
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• 1835[20:14:37] <Ede|Popede> i'll continue with a copy, don't feel like dd'ing the whole 30GB again
• 1836[20:14:39] <betelgelseorion> dont run any more
• 1837[20:15:16] <betelgelseorion> hummm
• 1838[20:15:23] <humpled> hmm
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• 1841[20:16:48] <betelgelseorion> and start to grub?
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• 1843[20:17:02] <betelgelseorion> for surprise
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• 1846[20:17:42] <betelgelseorion> gonna delete
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• 1849[20:18:46] <betelgelseorion> i am talk windows
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• 1851[20:19:41] <humpled> ##windows is a good channel
• 1852[20:19:56] <betelgelseorion> wait
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• 1857[20:23:00] <otyugh> what tool would you use to save datas from a unreliable sd memory ?
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• 1860[20:24:24] <jmcnaught> otyugh: gddrescue maybe?
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• 1862[20:24:42] <betelgelseorion> who we choose to kill?
• 1863[20:24:52] <betelgelseorion> rm
• 1864[20:25:08] <otyugh> jmcnaught, there is two other that seems similars to me
• 1865[20:25:12] <betelgelseorion> liberate
• 1866[20:25:27] <jmcnaught> betelgelseorion: do you have a Debian question?
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• 1868[20:25:33] <otyugh> "myrescue" and "safecopy"
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• 1870[20:26:03] <betelgelseorion> is up to me
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• 1873[20:27:20] <jmcnaught> otyugh: my general strategy would be to make a copy of the entire block device and then mount that image via loopback to get files. I don't know which of those three tools is best for copying from the card to the image though.
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• 1879[20:29:40] <otyugh> jmcnaught, seem that a lot of people advice for ddrescue
• 1880[20:29:49] <otyugh> I don't have a clue, so I guess I'll try that first.
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• 1883[20:30:43] <Ede|Popede> otyugh: welcome to the club. dd'd a 32GB stick yesterday, right now trying to save the broken files via loop mount and fsck
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• 1885[20:31:15] <otyugh> Ede|Popede, I don't think it will ever mount
• 1886[20:31:19] <Ede|Popede> 1st attempt failed, file was truncated to block chain length :/
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• 1889[20:31:54] <otyugh> But I hope I can rescue some stuff from testdisk or the extractor I always forget his name
• 1890[20:31:57] <Ede|Popede> gddrescue was also my first thought, will try it next
• 1891[20:32:18] <Ede|Popede> ah right. testdisk. remember that one. saved me data from an SD years ago.
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• 1893[20:33:25] <otyugh> photorec too
• 1894[20:33:38] <otyugh> great tool if you lost all hopes
• 1895[20:33:52] <betelgelseorion> otyugh: tell me gain do you?
• 1896[20:34:22] <debian-guy> towo`, tomreyn: thanks for your help earlier. If you are curious I found out how to add custom resolution on wayland. This needs to be added to kernel boot parameters: video=DVI-I-1:1920x1080@60
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• 1898[20:35:18] <betelgelseorion> wipe
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• 1900[20:35:31] <Ede|Popede> otyugh: aren't those tools from the folks who can't contribute bugfixes to the kernel properly? ;)
• 1901[20:35:34] <betelgelseorion> aintya?
• 1902[20:35:34] <towo`> debian-guy, DVI-I-1 is not vga
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• 1904[20:35:51] <debian-guy> towo`: yes, my bad
• 1905[20:36:02] <towo`> debian-guy, ify you say, you use a dvi <=> vga converter ...
• 1906[20:36:12] <debian-guy> I do and I forgot
• 1907[20:36:26] <towo`> and dvi should provide the right edid's to tha card
• 1908[20:36:36] <betelgelseorion> du
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• 1910[20:36:40] <towo`> those adapter are bad
• 1911[20:36:46] <debian-guy> dvi is on graphics card, monitor only has vga
• 1912[20:36:54] <betelgelseorion> daaaaa
• 1913[20:37:18] <towo`> debian-guy, then you even with xorg could have problems with resolution
• 1914[20:37:45] <debian-guy> I did :). I had to use xrandr or modify xorg config to add my resolution
• 1915[20:38:01] <debian-guy> I didn't know the way on wayland
• 1916[20:38:13] <towo`> debian-guy, my sugestion, buy a modern monitor, don't use crap
• 1917[20:38:21] <debian-guy> :)
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• 1925[20:43:07] <betelgelseorion> you are alll so goog
• 1926[20:43:31] <betelgelseorion> any help is advice
• 1927[20:44:09] <betelgelseorion> dont get you down
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• 1929[20:45:38] <betelgelseorion> du how i use it?
• 1930[20:46:02] <betelgelseorion> for the ones
• 1931[20:46:04] <Guest62730> so im not sure how to fix this issue. every 3-4 times i turn on my laptop, I cant connect to any wifi network. Looking at dmesg after attempting, I get a ton of error lines and one stating a SW issue was detected. heres the ouput if someone can point me in the right direction. Ive never manually updated a driver in debian. replaced-url
• 1932[20:48:13] <betelgelseorion> kernel
• 1933[20:48:30] <betelgelseorion> daaaaaa
• 1934[20:48:41] <betelgelseorion> not so du
• 1935[20:49:11] <Guest62730> thinking just revert back to an older kernel?
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• 1937[20:50:16] <betelgelseorion> and s*hit whatsoever
• 1938[20:50:29] <betelgelseorion> and looose
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• 1940[20:50:54] <betelgelseorion> my F*ck in windows
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• 1942[20:51:09] <betelgelseorion> thank you
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• 1945[20:52:59] <oerheks> betelgelseorion, insert your windows dvd and let it repair?
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• 1947[20:53:10] <betelgelseorion> received
• 1948[20:53:15] <oerheks> else join ##windows
• 1949[20:53:27] <jhutchins> Well that's new. irssi just segfaulted.
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• 1951[20:53:41] <betelgelseorion> the candy
• 1952[20:53:52] <jhutchins> otyugh: photorec
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• 1959[20:56:09] <betelgelseorion> error: file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/nornal.mod' not found.
• 1960[20:56:30] <betelgelseorion> entering rescue mode....
• 1961[20:56:54] <betelgelseorion> grub rescue>
• 1962[20:57:05] <betelgelseorion> aliviateted
• 1963[20:57:31] <betelgelseorion> NOT
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• 1970[20:59:52] <betelgelseorion> in command
• 1971[20:59:58] <betelgelseorion> line
• 1972[21:00:23] <betelgelseorion> grub rescue>
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• 1977[21:02:09] <betelgelseorion> internet?
• 1978[21:02:18] <betelgelseorion> not so much
• 1979[21:02:27] <jhutchins> betelgelseorion: Please stop.
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• 1982[21:07:25] <oxek> is LXQt useable in debian or is it better to still stick with LXDE?
• 1983[21:07:39] <oxek> or move onto something else entirely? (what?)
• 1984[21:07:51] <oxek> this is on a machine with very low specs
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• 1987[21:08:46] <betelgelseorion> oxek: lost allllll
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• 1989[21:09:10] <oxek> betelgelseorion: what?
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• 1994[21:10:40] <Ede|Popede> betelgelseorion: your info to text ratio is near zero.
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• 1996[21:11:30] <betelgelseorion> the pprloblem is real
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• 1998[21:12:15] <betelgelseorion> they give me grub rescue
• 1999[21:12:30] <betelgelseorion> for windows
• 2000[21:13:08] <betelgelseorion> crazy
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• 2003[21:13:55] <betelgelseorion> will made my coices
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• 2006[21:15:56] <betelgelseorion> not so much
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• 2010[21:18:18] <betelgelseorion> lost an hs vm
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• 2015[21:19:32] <betelgelseorion> windows gogonnna think thk twice what is secure
• 2016[21:19:47] <wasamasa> are you drunk?
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• 2018[21:20:33] <betelgelseorion> was not else
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• 2022[21:21:24] <betelgelseorion> before
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• 2024[21:22:12] <betelgelseorion> my dids is
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• 2026[21:23:09] <betelgelseorion> lost
• 2027[21:23:10] <wasamasa> this is a simple yes/no question
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• 2031[21:24:42] <betelgelseorion> damn sincire
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• 2033[21:25:03] <wasamasa> I'll just assume you meant to type "yes"
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• 2040[21:26:05] <betelgelseorion> wasa: yes to what?
• 2041[21:26:39] <wasamasa> whether you're drunk or not
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• 2045[21:27:46] <betelgelseorion> in the first place not, bitchihng me yep
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• 2048[21:28:27] <betelgelseorion> you were so kind
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• 2051[21:29:12] <betelgelseorion> today i deserve
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• 2055[21:30:17] <betelgelseorion> not so protitutes
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• 2057[21:31:29] <oerheks> betelgelseorion, no one is helping you with that attitude, good luck!
• 2058[21:32:34] <betelgelseorion> good look for you
• 2059[21:32:49] <Ede|Popede> i'd even say noone is *able* to help you like this
• 2060[21:33:06] <betelgelseorion> i am bickeed
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• 2067[21:38:35] <cinesc> Is Anonymous72 around here? It´s important
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• 2072[21:40:04] <Ede|Popede> cinesc: /whois
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• 2075[21:40:42] <cinesc> what function serves /whois in this chat?
• 2076[21:40:54] <cinesc> !/whois
• 2077[21:40:54] <dpkg> methinks /whois is sussudio's prefered IRC command along with /IGNORE
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• 2079[21:43:05] <cinesc> didn´t help using that comand
• 2080[21:43:09] <cinesc> command*
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• 2082[21:43:49] <humpled> /msg nickserv info ______
• 2083[21:44:18] <Ede|Popede> cinesc: the same it does in any other irc network. you may want to try `/help whois` or `/quote help …` if your client has its own interpretation of the help command. (or maybe even a short irc primer)
• 2084[21:44:21] <joze> /msg nickserv identify jabako00n
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• 2086[21:44:52] <Ede|Popede> joze: did you see it?
• 2087[21:45:06] <cinesc> it says the name is not registered
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• 2089[21:45:23] <joze> no just wildcards
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• 2093[21:46:26] <cinesc> what is a wildcard?
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• 2099[21:47:02] <humpled> !lastlog
• 2100[21:47:02] <dpkg> [lastlog] The lastlog(8) command reports the most recent login of all users, or of a given user. In some IRC clients, /lastlog <searchterm> shows the lines of log from the current window matching the search term.
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• 2121[22:13:57] <trui> well then. it seems there were 9 processes of /usr/lib/geoclue-2.0/demos/agent taking up 50mb of my system. i'm looking into how to prevent that, but if anyone has tips, that'd be great
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• 2129[22:22:03] <trui> seems a new geoclue process is started every time i start lightdm.service, just like applet.py used to be
• 2130[22:22:33] <trui> on that note, it seems the printer applet.py bug is fixed, so that's nice :)
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• 2138[22:27:34] <Ede|Popede> trui: if every time a new one is started, should they maybe die with lightdm?
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• 2142[22:29:16] <trui> hmm, actually, my apologies, it seems to be stopped
• 2143[22:29:32] <trui> i guess i misread the ps output
• 2144[22:30:20] <Ede|Popede> htop in screen/tmux is really convenient :)
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• 2146[22:31:43] <trui> i'm not at my computer atm so i'll check what happens when i login at the gui later
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• 2148[22:33:02] <trui> the fact that 50mb of ram is so noticable on my system is part of why debian is so great ;)
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• 2151[22:34:08] <trui> "oh, it's at 300. can i reduce it somehow? i'm just using a tty. what's this geoclue process?
• 2152[22:34:40] <trui> not like 50mb matters but i was curious/bored
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• 2154[22:36:35] <Ede|Popede> the RES columnt is what i'm interested in? firefox of course, X and ibus. next would be hexchat with just 37
• 2155[22:36:52] <Latr_work> Guys, anyone knows how can I update to Mesa 19.X ?
• 2156[22:36:59] <humpled> trui do you know what package it's from? you can use dpkg -S <filename> to find out
• 2157[22:37:10] <Latr_work> if there is a .deb for it or I need to build it myself?
• 2158[22:37:30] <humpled> !info mesa
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• 2162[22:39:38] <trui> geoclue-2.0
• 2163[22:39:58] <rany> trui, systemctl disable geoclue.service; systemctl mask geoclue.service;
• 2164[22:40:07] <rany> trui, replaced-url
• 2165[22:40:32] <trui> each of the 9 processes were taking up 3 mb of res each
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• 2167[22:41:04] <trui> i might just keep it around to investigate, but yeah, good to know
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• 2171[22:41:53] <trui> i'm wondering if it's the reported memory leak bug, or if i should start a new report. or perhaps it's normal behaviour
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• 2174[22:43:14] <cinesc> Got to think, is it possible that you know how to add mesa 18.xx to be able to install opengl 4.2 on an ivybridge?
• 2175[22:43:27] <trui> 50mb is a far cry from what's been reported here: replaced-url
• 2176[22:43:29] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2179[22:43:54] <trui> so perhaps it's expected behavior. i'll look at it later
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• 2182[22:46:59] <Latr_work> can I use debian sid repo solely to upgrade mesa to 19.x?
• 2183[22:47:39] <Latr_work> does debian has something like alpinelinux that lets you use testing repos only to install and maintain a set of packages?
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• 2186[22:48:24] <rany> trui, holy f*** shit?!!! 11Gigs of RAM?!!!
• 2187[22:48:29] <rany> for geoclue?!?!!
• 2188[22:48:41] <rany> consider yourself blessed
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• 2194[22:52:25] <cinesc> that is more demanding on ram than say doom (2016)
• 2195[22:52:34] <betelgelseorion> i have my balls in vm
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• 2198[22:53:20] <cinesc> you really go on about the vm don´t you?
• 2199[22:53:24] <betelgelseorion> trusted in linux
• 2200[22:53:38] <cinesc> hope you got enough ram for everything
• 2201[22:53:43] <betelgelseorion> F*
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• 2203[22:54:04] <cinesc> not just 8gb or less to use
• 2204[22:54:13] <betelgelseorion> lets fix it
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• 2206[22:54:26] <cinesc> 16gb plus is a good go
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• 2208[22:54:43] <betelgelseorion> saved my half balls to cloud
• 2209[22:55:27] <cinesc> just get another stick of ram and it should be fine
• 2210[22:55:57] <betelgelseorion> not funny
• 2211[22:56:22] <oerheks> betelgelseorion, so you just have windows issues, interesting
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• 2213[22:57:05] <betelgelseorion> not so comfort space to you ynta
• 2214[22:57:27] <jhutchins> !ops betelgelseorion is flooding the channel with nonsense and obscenities.
• 2215[22:57:27] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: jhutchins complains about a problem (see above)
• 2216[22:57:46] <cinesc> No I wasn´t kidding, more ram does solve a few things unless there is a software related problem present wich is where you should worry.
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• 2218[22:58:16] <betelgelseorion> caml dond
• 2219[22:58:32] <betelgelseorion> F*
• 2220[22:58:59] <betelgelseorion> take time
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• 2222[22:59:19] <trui> when memory leaks happen, they happen spectacularly it seems, rany
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• 2226[23:02:31] <cinesc> speaking of ram related behaviour, what was the root cause for the ram to be clogged up because you emptied the trash bin if not only accessed it?
• 2227[23:04:44] <betelgelseorion> piss in my ass
• 2228[23:05:20] <betelgelseorion> not result
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• 2231[23:07:10] <betelgelseorion> i have a word not comfy
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• 2233[23:07:30] <trui> seems the geoclue on my system probably came from youtube-dl. neat
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• 2235[23:07:47] <maccraft123> well hello there
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• 2237[23:08:16] <betelgelseorion> i am fu*qued
• 2238[23:08:38] <trui> "youtube-dl is written using Python" ah, that explains it. jk
• 2239[23:08:42] <trui> hello
• 2240[23:08:42] <maccraft123> i heard there is a troll
• 2241[23:09:17] <betelgelseorion> do me
• 2242[23:09:17] <cinesc> hi
• 2243[23:09:57] <betelgelseorion> not resolve mock me
• 2244[23:10:12] <betelgelseorion> y r sad
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• 2248[23:10:43] <betelgelseorion> lrt me
• 2249[23:10:45] <rany> trui, why would youtube-dl need geoclue?
• 2250[23:10:51] <betelgelseorion> let me
• 2251[23:10:54] <rany> makes no sense to me
• 2252[23:10:56] <grumble> betelgelseorion: please stop
• 2253[23:11:24] <betelgelseorion> give me attention
• 2254[23:11:27] <cinesc> cool
• 2255[23:11:57] <cinesc> here I wondered if there was a tool that really could do that
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• 2257[23:12:46] <cinesc> can I recommend something if youtube-dl is troublesome to use?
• 2258[23:13:02] <Ede|Popede> trui: never heard of geoclue in all the years i'm using youtube-dl
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• 2260[23:15:02] <oerheks> you might want to build the latest youtube-dl from github
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• 2262[23:15:42] <betelgelseorion> for your all attention
• 2263[23:15:56] <betelgelseorion> whatsoever
• 2264[23:16:08] <cinesc> how about a solution?
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• 2266[23:16:39] <betelgelseorion> may be y cant
• 2267[23:16:54] <betelgelseorion> say f*
• 2268[23:17:11] <cinesc> keepvid
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• 2270[23:17:22] <trui> it came with libqt5positioning5
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• 2272[23:17:49] <betelgelseorion> not so funny
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• 2275[23:18:02] <trui> quassel also pulls in that which pulls in geoclue it seems
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• 2278[23:19:12] <betelgelseorion> must show my ass everyday to respect
• 2279[23:19:34] <betelgelseorion> got
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• 2281[23:19:42] <Ede|Popede> oerheks: build? don't think this is usually necessary. there's a new release every few weeks or even days if needed, it is a runnable python archive, nice solution
• 2282[23:20:18] <trui> yup, removing youtube-dl and quassel, neither of which i use, removed geoclue. neat
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• 2284[23:21:34] <trui> not like i minded it much, but this freed up some space so why not?
• 2285[23:22:00] <Ede|Popede> trui: did you check with apt rdepends which package exactly needed it?
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• 2287[23:22:13] <trui> yes
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• 2290[23:22:44] <trui> whatever needs libqt5positioning5
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• 2292[23:22:59] <cinesc> how do I install a newer version of the mesa driver for intel integrated gpu to use opengl 4.2?
• 2293[23:23:07] <trui> and on my system that was quassel and youtube-dl
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• 2298[23:24:29] <at0m> trui: youtube-dl is just python script(s). i get it from git so i can get updates quicker
• 2299[23:24:41] <at0m> ie. youtube-dl -U
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• 2301[23:24:59] <trui> sure, but i don't even use it so--
• 2302[23:25:01] <Ede|Popede> who thought it would be a good idea to put all the sites it works on into youtube-dl's info block, one per line....
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• 2304[23:25:38] <at0m> Ede|Popede: eheh, wow, that's 1000s of 'em
• 2305[23:25:42] <Ede|Popede> wait, libqt? so it can't be youtube-dl. sounds like quasselt
• 2306[23:25:53] <trui> removing quassel saved the most space ofc. 200 megs more for my youtube collection
• 2307[23:25:56] <Ede|Popede> at0m: incredible amount of work
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• 2309[23:26:19] <trui> well, rdepends also showed youtube-dl down the line so--
• 2310[23:26:28] <trui> i use lxqt
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• 2312[23:27:08] <Ede|Popede> strange since ytdl is a cli tool
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• 2317[23:29:10] <trui> youtube-dl brought in geoclue from its mpv recommends
• 2318[23:30:05] <at0m> why i use aptitude and hand-pick recommends^
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• 2320[23:30:25] <trui> i think anyways. i could double check
• 2321[23:30:28] <trui> anyways
• 2322[23:31:18] <at0m> trui: mpv only suggests youtube-dl
• 2323[23:31:35] <at0m> uses/tries it for http streams
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• 2325[23:32:51] <Ede|Popede> ah, i was suspecting that. always stayed with pure deps only.
• 2326[23:32:58] <at0m> and neither suggests nor recommends any qy
• 2327[23:33:05] <at0m> *qt
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• 2329[23:33:22] <at0m> Ede|Popede: same
• 2330[23:33:31] <Ede|Popede> trui: `apt-get -s install youtube-dl` should tell you at no risk.
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• 2332[23:34:13] <Ede|Popede> and then there's dot for nice png's on dependencies if things get complicated
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• 2335[23:34:53] <trui> okay, it was geoclue-2.0 > libqt5positioning5 > libqt5webkit5 > phantomjs > youtube-dl
• 2336[23:34:56] <trui> neat
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• 2338[23:36:40] <trui> ah, right. forgot about -s, thanks
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• 2358[23:48:36] <algiuxas> hello guys, texting from my debian phone running unix
• 2359[23:49:25] <cinesc> what phone? been looking for an android replacement lately
• 2360[23:49:37] <algiuxas> we
• 2361[23:49:42] <algiuxas> well*
• 2362[23:49:53] <algiuxas> its very old, 256MB ram
• 2363[23:50:00] <cinesc> hmm
• 2364[23:50:15] <cinesc> custom OS maybe?
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• 2368[23:58:12] <Ede|Popede> trui: you got youtube-dl still installed? what does your line with 'exe' say for `youtube-dl -v`? mine → [debug] exe versions: ffmpeg 3.2.14-1, ffprobe 3.2.14-1
• 2369[23:58:50] <Ede|Popede> looked into their github, found them with added 'phantomjs 2.1.1, rtmpdump 2.4'
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