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17[00:10:24] <iflema> SuperTramp83: that it?
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22[00:11:17] <iflema> not ubuntu... does that count
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35[00:21:07] <ltbdn> I just upgraded from jessie to stretch and expected issues with apache but now I'm not getting anything in the logs and the server is not responding to request from anywhere. Any ideas?
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37[00:23:12] <mutante> ltbdn: is PHP or Mysql involved in any way, or is this really just Apache and a html page
38[00:23:26] <mutante> oh, i think i got you wrong
39[00:23:36] <mutante> you said not just apache issues.. i guess nevermind
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41[00:24:23] <mutante> well, if you cant connect to it at all.. do you have some kind of management console to get on it and check
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44[00:24:41] <Brigo> ltbdn, not even a ping?
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47[00:25:59] <ltbdn> mutante, Brigo : Sorry, everything else is working great, my issue is just with apache, it appears to be running and listening on port 80 and 443 but when I send it requests I get nothing (in reply or in the apache logs).
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49[00:26:46] <Brigo> ltbdn, then the request are not reaching the apache server.
50[00:26:51] <Brigo> is there a firewall?
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53[00:28:35] <trustworthy> can someone help me to install plex. im onna mamobile and its veryslow
54[00:28:36] <ltbdn> Brigo: No firewall involved, I've also tried curl/wget/w3m/telnet/nc from localhost. I can establish a connection from anywhere (and nmap shows the ports in question are open).
55[00:29:10] <trustworthy> *plex
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62[00:31:18] <Brigo> ltbdn, no clue, then. You can ask in #httpd channel.
63[00:32:46] <ltbdn> Brigo: Yeah, I just came from there... 'apt purge apache2' seems like the easiest solution at this point. Thank you for your time anyway!
64[00:34:22] <Brigo> ltbdn, sorry, good luck.
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77[00:42:41] <Sansar> This is the 4th day in a row for me in order to struggle for installing a program called "qTox". Everything gets stuck in a damn package called "checkinstall". I can't find it in testing, and I do not want to mess my repo. Can someone please tell if it is possible to install it with " git clone replaced-url
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81[00:45:23] <sigimac> replaced-url
82[00:45:26] <sigimac> what is qTox?
83[00:46:56] <Sansar> a chat program based on tor network
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85[00:47:27] <Sansar> I am trying to follow the steps from the link you mentioned but all is stuck on checkinstall
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136[01:28:23] <trustworthy> hey are u estonian gendo?
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156[01:40:41] <rjsalts> I'm having trouble with getting a process to continue in the background from ssh session. I think it's systemd, however I did loginctl enable-linger for the user and it doesn't seem to make a difference
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158[01:42:04] <rjsalts> it's a non-interactive session, force-command in authorized_keys
159[01:45:04] <rjsalts> same with when I invoke via xinetd
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167[01:50:38] <rjsalts> how do I get systemd to reread logind.conf?
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172[01:52:31] <zerocool> anyone done a btrfs resize before?
173[01:53:12] <RoyK> don't use btrfs
174[01:53:51] <RoyK> as in don't do BASE jumping with an ubrella
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176[01:54:04] <zerocool> oh thanks that solved it, i just went back to ntfs on windows bye guys been great
177[01:54:37] <RoyK> see ya
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183[01:56:36] <zerocool> mkfs.btrfs /dev/RoyK -f ; mount /dev/RoyK /trash
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186[01:57:26] <RoyK> zerocool: that doesn't work, sir ;)
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192[02:01:06] <Sansar> A short question: I am using testing, will it have negative effects if I download a .deb package from replaced-url
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194[02:01:21] <annadane> it will have negative effects on any branch
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196[02:01:28] <annadane> you don't install .deb packages randomly
197[02:01:32] <Sansar> annadane: like what?
198[02:01:37] <annadane> just use the repository
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201[02:02:36] <Sansar> OK, but for ex. repository does not have that package. So what shall I do?
202[02:03:08] <Sansar> What is the difference from cloning from github?
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207[02:07:45] <zerocool> Sansar: dpkg will figure out if you have the prereq's when you try to install the .deb
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209[02:08:25] <zerocool> hard to say for sure but youre probably fine
210[02:08:56] <Sansar> zerocool: The major problem is about malwares or about the integrity of the system?
211[02:09:20] <Sansar> the .deb I downloaded was quite a simple one, called "checkinstall", so hoping that it won't cause much side effects
212[02:09:46] <zerocool> Sansar: like i said, hard to know. If you are getting the .deb from a reputable source then youre probably fine.
213[02:10:05] <annadane> checkinstall is in the repository, it's just under a different name
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215[02:11:04] <annadane> wait, maybe i'm thinking of a different package
216[02:11:13] <annadane> yeah, i am
217[02:11:38] <Sansar> annadane: It's in the repo but I am using testing though
218[02:12:05] <Sansar> zerocool: After reading your comment just checked its dependencies, seems I already had the relevant ones for that package I installed manually
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220[02:12:10] <annadane> that's what i meant but yeah i was thinking of a different package, it doesn't appear to be in testing
221[02:13:08] <Sansar> annadane: I am just cautious about malwares. Yet I do not get how the malwares are infected and works in Linux, unlike windows
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223[02:13:37] <annadane> i mean for something like checkinstall you probably don't need to install .deb files
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225[02:13:46] <annadane> see replaced-url
226[02:14:21] <annadane> well, hang on, for checkinstall... i don't know what the answer is here
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232[02:20:11] <zerocool> Sansar: maleware is just software, you can get malware a million different ways. Try to minimize the number of packages you pull from untrusted sources.
233[02:20:19] <zerocool> malware*
234[02:21:19] <Sansar> zerocool: Got it. Actually that package was available on official developers page as source code and git repo, but I did not know how to install from source code or git repos
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236[02:23:32] <mnuhmnuh> quoting someone else, "if you have a deb-src line, just apt-get builddep packagename".
237[02:23:35] <zerocool> Sansar: cool, Id learn how to build from source, especially if youre in testing.
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239[02:24:08] <zerocool> If you havent learned already. Its easy.
240[02:24:53] <Sansar> zerocool: Would love to learn how to do that so that'd be way safer
241[02:25:07] <sigimac> hmm, been waiting on this partition to resize for about 15 minutes.... hopefully nothing went wrong.
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257[02:34:27] <zerocool> i feel you
258[02:34:32] <sigimac> mine just finished
259[02:34:38] <zerocool> dang it!
260[02:34:43] <sigimac> heh
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264[02:36:25] <sigimac> resized the 495gig HD to 200gig free space for debian on my laptop booting with mint
265[02:36:39] <imMute> sdgass111
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354[03:38:02] <sigimac> is there a script to run the network setup like in the install?
355[03:38:18] <sigimac> need a dman fw file for my wireless
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368[03:52:35] <petn-randall> orizzle: Are you sure you're running a supported Debian? That kernel version is ancient.
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407[04:26:49] <sigimac> so my wifi isn't working so I copied the 'brcm' folder over from mint to /lib/firmware/brcm and wifi still doesn't work... any ideas?
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412[04:31:43] <allizom> sigimac: what's your wireless card? see lspci
413[04:32:06] <sigimac> BCM43142
414[04:32:09] <sigimac> broadcom
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417[04:32:46] <sigimac> I copied the brcm folder which has all the broadcom wireless firmware to /lib/firmware
418[04:32:50] <sigimac> isnt working
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420[04:35:45] <allizom> sigimac: you'd need a non-free driver for that thing to work
421[04:36:25] <sigimac> allizom: I do
422[04:36:41] <sigimac> movied the folder over from linux mint to debian /lib/firmware/brcm
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424[04:36:54] <sigimac> brcm <--- folder that contains all the drivers
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427[04:37:05] <allizom> firmware != driver
428[04:37:26] <sigimac> so should I dump the brcm/ folder contents into /lib/firmware ?
429[04:37:42] <allizom> who said that?
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433[04:39:16] <sigimac> just trying to get the wifi to work so I can update my sources.list and use this laptop
434[04:39:31] <allizom> sigimac: please don't mix distros anyway
435[04:40:38] <sigimac> pulling drivers from a folder to this is mixing distros?
436[04:40:39] <sigimac> uh ok
437[04:40:49] <allizom> you need a non-free *driver*
438[04:41:13] <allizom> firmware is anything not running on your main CPU
439[04:41:33] <allizom> a driver is running on the main CPU
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441[04:41:54] <sigimac> allizom: the brcm folder which contains all the stuff to make the wifi card work are in there
442[04:42:09] <sigimac> they are the non free
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444[04:43:22] <allizom> as you say. please do not complain then
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446[04:44:19] <sigimac> allizom: just trying to get it to work, unless I had a wired connection I'd apt-get whatever I needed
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449[04:44:50] <allizom> please read what I said before
450[04:45:37] <sigimac> firmware has to be loaded into the device by the driver during the device initialization.
451[04:45:40] <sigimac> I get that
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455[04:47:21] <allizom> what makes you think that copying a directory with firmware from another distro will get you with a working driver installed?
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457[04:47:55] <sigimac> just a guess allizom just a guess
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459[04:48:24] <allizom> wrong guess then
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462[04:49:12] <allizom> Debian's got a wiki page on the needed driver. If you really need it go take a look
463[04:49:56] <sigimac> allizom: so as long as I have a wired connection I can: apt-get install firmware-bcm43xx wireless-tools and should work huh
464[04:51:49] <allizom> it won't work that way
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466[04:52:13] <allizom> that's not even a package
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507[05:16:40] <sigimac> bcm42xx_hdr-0.fw is
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514[05:19:24] <allizom> is what?
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517[05:19:39] <sigimac> you just sit in here being a dick
518[05:19:50] <sigimac> got it working..
519[05:20:03] <sigimac> I don't think you really know what your talking about.
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521[05:20:19] <sigimac> you just idle in here and when someone needs a little help you just act like a douche
522[05:20:25] <sigimac> bbl
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540[05:32:05] <allizom> sigimac: I won't tolerate insults. I already told you what you need to do. Just look in the Debian wiki for your hardware. Being confused does not make it ok to gratuitously bash people
541[05:32:30] <sigimac> heh,
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544[05:32:53] <sigimac> it's done dude
545[05:33:18] <sigimac> I used those drivers and it's working so go hassle someone else
546[05:33:57] <sigimac> your one of those dudes that likes to think he's smarter than everyone else and never really helps or does anything but say, "read the docs"
547[05:34:05] <sigimac> later
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549[05:34:55] <flippybug> this is what 2018 year of desktop linux looks like
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645[06:52:57] <Shmam> Hi guys, I;m running debian 9. Can I safely install this package made for debian 8? replaced-url
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652[07:01:37] <Shmam> Hello?
653[07:02:23] <flippybug> do you trust the synergy team?
654[07:02:41] <Shmam> ehhh. ish
655[07:02:51] <Shmam> I trust them pre v2
656[07:02:56] <Shmam> so I trust this package
657[07:03:13] <flippybug> it will probably work, but the package won't get updates
658[07:03:21] <Shmam> thats fine
659[07:03:36] <Shmam> should I do `sudo apt install ./package.deb`?
660[07:03:44] <Shmam> Is that right?
661[07:04:18] <awal1> dpkg -i path-to-your.deb
662[07:04:18] <dpkg> package path-to-your.deb is already installed
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664[07:05:10] <awal1> gdebi helps if not used to cli
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666[07:05:54] <awal1> Shman, what does that pkg exactly?
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670[07:06:57] <flippybug> "synergy-19-rc3-fixes-the-macos-wifi-lag-bug/"
671[07:07:06] <flippybug> but for debian
672[07:07:13] <flippybug> debian 8
673[07:07:28] <Shmam> cool that works
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675[07:07:52] <Shmam> the synergy software makes me so angry
676[07:07:53] <Shmam> jeez
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678[07:08:30] <Shmam> they basically just released a new software (v2) that removed 100% of the functionality that they originally had
679[07:08:34] <Shmam> its really sad
680[07:08:45] <Shmam> the free open source version is so much better
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687[07:12:43] <awal1> ,v synergy
688[07:12:44] <judd> Package: synergy on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.8-2; wheezy-backports: 1.4.16-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.16-1+deb8u1; stretch: 1.4.16-2; buster: 1.8.8-stable+dfsg.1-1; sid: 1.8.8-stable+dfsg.1-1
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690[07:13:41] <simbalion> If a .service is 'enabled' doesnt that mean it should start on boot? Is there something special I have to do to make it start on boot? One of my services is not.
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692[07:14:11] <Shmam> you can use crontab
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694[07:14:29] <Shmam> that's prob the easiest way to run a command at startup (at least that I've found)
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702[07:26:10] <simbalion> nvm, found instructions and just manually symlinked in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/
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722[07:40:34] <toolz> I got 2 hdds, sda and sdb and 2 md devices: md126 (which I use) and md127 which is unused, but is has Member Arrays : /dev/md126 and /dev/sdb and /dev/sda as raid devices(just like md126) how can I remove md127 as I cannot do anything because it say devices are in use and that md126 is a member array?
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729[07:45:47] <awal1> well, not really, " aptitude purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome | cut -f 1` " will do a better job than " apt/apt-get purge gnome* ". try to understand to command before executing.
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731[07:46:19] <awal1> excuses, confusing windows
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743[07:56:12] <limbo_> I installed the debian/jessie64 box using vagrant, and it doesn't seem to have aptitude/apt/dpkg. Anyone know what the deal is? I can't install software. Is this normal? I tried asking in the vagrant IRC, but to no avail.
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781[08:18:12] <awal1> what is the idea behind suggesting the use of apt (autoremove ...) ,not apt-get or aptitude anymore, durring upgrades?
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791[08:23:18] <epicmetal> So I've got a ThinkPad X220 -> DisplayPort -> DisplayPort to HDMI adapter -> HDMI monitor. Fedora and Arch Linux both output the LUKS passphrase prompt to the HDMI monitor on boot, but Stretch doesn't. Is it the older kernel, or the initrd, or both?
792[08:23:35] <epicmetal> There's a firmware setting that is set so that the DisplayPort is the primary monitor
793[08:23:54] <epicmetal> Stretch was installed in UEFI boot mode
794[08:23:58] <jelly> epicmetal: do you see anything on that output at all?
795[08:24:05] <epicmetal> jelly: no
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798[08:24:28] <epicmetal> jelly: not until I get to GNOME and tell it to output there
799[08:24:35] <epicmetal> (which works fine)
800[08:24:41] <jelly> does it work for grub?
801[08:25:06] <epicmetal> No, but it didn't for Fedora and Arch either. But they both managed to display the LUKS prompt. Whether that's the monitor timing warming up, I don't know.
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804[08:25:53] <epicmetal> I'm not in front of the machine now (it's at work), but I'm just trying to get ideas for what to look for on Monday
805[08:25:54] <jelly> it's more likely other distros set up fb console before asking
806[08:26:05] <epicmetal> jelly: can I do that for Debian
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808[08:26:36] <jelly> I have no idea how, maybe
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811[08:26:52] <epicmetal> Is this like "early KMS" or something?
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814[08:27:19] <epicmetal> For Arch I just had to tell the initrd creator to configure the initrd with i915 module support
815[08:27:36] <epicmetal> (not necessarily to get the display working, but I just happened to do it for high res)
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817[08:27:43] <jelly> fb uses kms, it might e
818[08:28:00] <epicmetal> I guess I'll check that out on Monday
819[08:28:04] <epicmetal> jelly: thanks
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822[08:31:00] <epicmetal> Come to think of it, Arch/Fedora are both high res at that point, while Debian -- when I have it on just the laptop built-in monitor -- isn't
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876[09:11:51] <eoli3n> Hi, i have specific questions on preseed, i can't join #debian-devel, can i have an invitation please ?
877[09:12:05] <epicmetal> jelly: turns out debian enables early kms by defalut since squeeze :(
878[09:12:10] <epicmetal> default*
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881[09:12:43] <Unit193> eoli3n: #debian-devel is on OFTC.
882[09:12:57] <eoli3n> oh ok
883[09:12:59] <eoli3n> thx Unit193
884[09:13:11] <eoli3n> worked
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888[09:14:26] <Unit193> ...And then you appear to have asked a support question there.
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898[09:16:52] <eoli3n> ok so please explain me what the option "only_debian" means -> replaced-url
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900[09:17:10] <eoli3n> and "with_other_os
901[09:17:34] <eoli3n> "
902[09:17:43] <Unit193> Without looking, I'd presume that's in the partitioning section?
903[09:17:58] <eoli3n> ctrl + F :) in grub section
904[09:18:08] <eoli3n> #d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean false
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907[09:18:56] <eoli3n> my problematic is that my nodes are dualboot, and i want to be able to reinstall them without kicking windows part
908[09:19:01] <eoli3n> i'm near success
909[09:19:30] <eoli3n> but it seems that something doesn't work as i expect it to work, because at each kickstart deploy, i need to repair windows7
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911[09:19:44] <eoli3n> it seems that the bootloader is affected, but its not logic
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913[09:20:00] <eoli3n> because win7 bootloader at start of my sda1 part
914[09:20:13] <eoli3n> so reinstalling grub on sda should not break win7 part
915[09:20:36] <eoli3n> i'm trying to find what changes between "before kickstart" and "after kickstart"
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918[09:21:06] <eoli3n> i dumped 0->446, 446->512 with dd, before and after, then diff them
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920[09:21:27] <eoli3n> part table (446->512) is not altered, that is cool
921[09:21:42] <eoli3n> but 0->446, bootloader, keeps changing at each kickstart
922[09:21:47] <eoli3n> and i don't understand why
923[09:22:06] <eoli3n> what is the grub version used by preseed ?
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928[09:24:42] <pragomer> can I "undo" the changes I made with apt-get install within the last hour? so.. uninstall what I just installed (I installed a kde-plasma-desktop to my xfce and would like to remove it again)
929[09:25:17] <eoli3n> pragomer: manually
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931[09:25:29] <eoli3n> /var/log/apt
932[09:25:46] <eoli3n> pragomer: take a look at LVM or btrfs and snapshots
933[09:25:58] <DerLGm> pragomer: if you have a snapshot prog installed, that'd be easiest
934[09:26:23] <DerLGm> Usually such saves are made right before installs and updates follow through
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936[09:26:33] <DerLGm> Are carried out****
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938[09:27:00] <DerLGm> If you don't, then just like eoli3n said- do it manually
939[09:27:10] <pragomer> I know.. was a bad idea.. I have timeshift installed (what is really great) and did not use it AAAARRRRGGGHH
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942[09:27:27] <Nezoriel> Good Morning, i search for a good icon set for the adwaita theme from gnome3. At the moment i use the gnome-color-icons is okay but not the best.
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979[09:34:19] <pragomer> i have it in the list /var/log/aptitude
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984[09:36:46] <pragomer> how can I uninstall this now? replaced-url
985[09:36:58] <pdobrogost> Hi all!
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988[09:37:34] <pdobrogost> Is the answer at replaced-url
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991[09:39:31] <pragomer> how do I get the packages (that are one per line) into one line?
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997[09:41:45] <eoli3n> pragomer: you should backup before doing anything
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999[09:42:22] <eoli3n> pragomer: use awk
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1001[09:42:39] <eoli3n> to "et the packages (that are one per line) into one line"
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1006[09:43:26] <pragomer> mm.. replaced-url
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1010[09:43:38] <pragomer> how do I get the filenames here? without the versions.
1011[09:44:01] <pragomer> ah ok I see.. seperate it on :
1012[09:44:51] <pragomer> oh yes, that works..
1013[09:44:53] <pragomer> :-)
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1015[09:45:35] <eoli3n> pragomer: curl replaced-url
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1018[09:46:14] <pragomer> ok this is very cool and elegant
1019[09:46:51] <pragomer> thank you so so much
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1023[09:47:17] <eoli3n> you're welcome
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1025[09:47:38] <eoli3n> but i repeat, you should backup before doing anthing
1026[09:47:40] <eoli3n> anything
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1088[10:17:22] <pdobrogost> I'm getting "dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: can't extract name and version from library name" warnings when building deb package. Google doesn't find anything interesting on the subject. Any ideas how to deal with it?
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1118[10:40:25] <hassoon[work]> 'morning
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1147[10:56:01] <klys> I want the .config file for the linux-2.4 kernel at archive.debian.org
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1155[11:00:09] <onlyabyte> So I'm wanting to run Debian but I need to ask which version is best suited for me. I'll be running Xfce but I doubt that matters. Anyways, I want to have somewhat the newer packages (at least close to Ubuntu version), I want it to be stable (by stable, I mean that upon updating after two weeks, i don't want to be faced with catastrophic errors - ain't got time for that). Finally, my hardware isn't that new
1156[11:00:11] <onlyabyte> (3rd gen i3) so I'm good for compatibility.
1157[11:00:16] <onlyabyte> Which version of Debian is best suited for me?
1158[11:00:25] <onlyabyte> Testing or Sid?
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1160[11:00:31] <onlyabyte> Thanks in advance
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1164[11:01:25] <klys> onlyabyte, sid breaks on a regular basis, see the transition tracker page.
1165[11:01:52] <babilen> You really can't run testing without unstable in your sources; Or rather you can, but it'll be quite a bit harder and you have to wait for security updates. I'd go with "/msg dpkg tum", but you *have* to be aware of problems and ongoing transitions. See replaced-url
1166[11:02:17] <onlyabyte> Can one run debian stable as a desktop operating system and be fine with it?
1167[11:02:22] <babilen> You should also be familiar with maintainer scripts and the Debian packaging system and tools in general
1168[11:02:24] <onlyabyte> Or is it too old
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1170[11:02:50] <babilen> Sure, stable is perfectly fine and there are backports of selected packages from testing
1171[11:03:17] <babilen> It really depends on your ability, what you expect, how much time you are willing to spend learning/administrating your system, ...
1172[11:03:24] <onlyabyte> Oh right, the only packages I care about being up-to-date really is the browser and mail-client. Even so, I can use alternatives.
1173[11:03:33] <babilen> I run stable with a few backports on my workstation and sid on my laptop
1174[11:04:08] <onlyabyte> Nice, how is sid working out for you on your laptop? Also, does it require updating a lot?
1175[11:04:27] <babilen> Please note that testing was never meant to be used by users and is simply a tool used to prepare the next release. This results in uninstallable packages, package removals and similar things. It's usable if you throw unstable in the mix.
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1177[11:05:03] <onlyabyte> I feel that Fedora Linux is the sweet spot between Debian and bleeding edge while still offering debian like FOSS policies
1178[11:05:08] <babilen> I update almost every day .. it gets painful if you miss updates for a while and something goes wrong. It's hard to figure out the culprit in long lists of updated packages.
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1180[11:05:32] <onlyabyte> babilen: Ah, I've also heard that once a package is broken in testing, you can be stuck on it for a while
1181[11:05:33] <babilen> You also definitely have to use apt-listbugs (I configure it to show me important bugs as well as many people get the severity wrong)
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1183[11:06:10] <babilen> IMHO you simply cannot run testing without unstable in your sources.list so that you/apt can pull packages from there when needed
1184[11:06:11] <onlyabyte> I suppose I'll leave Debian Stable for things when I use them on things that require high-uptime
1185[11:06:29] <n4dir> i agree with babilen, a mixed testing/unstable is a very good choice
1186[11:06:34] <babilen> I should probably mention that we have a specific channel for testing/unstable support called #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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1189[11:07:39] <babilen> tbh, I've been running testing and/or unstable on my laptop for many years now and rarely have problems, but I pay attention to problems that come up on mailing lists, look into bug reports flagged by apt-listbugs and know how to fix things if things to wrong
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1191[11:08:15] <babilen> And things *do* go wrong .. sometimes horribly so. In particular some udev or systemd upgrades were far from funny sometimes
1192[11:08:37] <onlyabyte> I guess that is part of helping the community out with problems and stuff
1193[11:08:40] <babilen> In the end: You can fix everything and if you have backups you can always reinstall and start over
1194[11:08:44] <n4dir> same here (though i rather ran pure sid), but i also made sure to only have the packages installed i need (less packages, less chances to run into problems)
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1196[11:09:11] <onlyabyte> Well, thanks for that guys!
1197[11:09:11] <babilen> Yeah .. I run a very minimal system (i3 window manager, mostly just emacs, browser, ssh, ...)
1198[11:09:27] <babilen> I wouldn't necessarily expect the same experience if I were to run a full blown gnome desktop
1199[11:09:28] <onlyabyte> Nice
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1202[11:09:52] <onlyabyte> I guess having less packages does mean a smaller chance of getting hit in the face with bugs
1203[11:09:58] <babilen> In the end it's definitely doable and I wouldn't shy away from it, but it does take time and knowledge. If you are happy to learn, you will learn things
1204[11:10:15] <n4dir> so, i guess babilen agrees, there are a few things to keep in mind (apt-listbugs, minimal, perhaps mixed system, etc), but it *can* be done
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1206[11:10:31] <n4dir> ah: backups ( babilen said all of it)
1207[11:10:36] <babilen> I'd suggest to read the new maintainer guide and developer reference at one point to familiarise yourself with Debian packaging, as fixing problems on that level helps a lot sometimes
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1209[11:11:18] <babilen> In the end I think its also fun and rewarding, but I use stable on my workstation as I can't faff around with udev problems when I have actual work to do
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1211[11:11:37] <babilen> (I backport software I need if it hasn't been backported already)
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1218[11:15:12] <babilen> I'd say: Go for it, make sure you have (daily/hourly) automatic backups, apt-listbugs installed and a small package footprint on a testing/unstable mix. Read the NMG and developer reference, familiarise yourself with apt, apt-get and aptitude and don't just blindly answer "yes" to questions. Read them, understand them and then decide what the best course of action might be.
1219[11:15:18] <frankie> i definitively also suggest to use stable as base system and multiple chroot for sid/testing and what ever, that's a good way to run current versions when needed with no mess
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1221[11:15:52] <babilen> Or just run a few VMs or whatever .. I don't regret using sid as my daily driver at all
1222[11:16:46] <frankie> well I *use* sid as main distro, but not on my work boxes
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1224[11:17:03] <babilen> exactly
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1226[11:17:13] <babilen> Boxes that *have* to work, use stable
1227[11:17:28] <n4dir> or if you simply don't have time.
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1229[11:17:47] <n4dir> well: or much interest/fun in fixing problems.
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1231[11:18:30] <babilen> You always have time .. there is no such thing as "I have no time". You simply have other tasks/appointment that are more important and therefore have a higher priority. If somebody says "I have no time" it means "I don't think its important enough" (which is fine, but we all have the same amount of time)
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1237[11:19:37] <n4dir> yeah, sure.
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1240[11:20:00] <onlyabyte> Thanks people!
1241[11:20:10] <n4dir> my point was: now i run happily stable, though it ain't a machine which *has* to run.
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1243[11:20:46] <babilen> onlyabyte: have fun :)
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1273[11:44:24] <TomyWork> jelly i was wrong yesterday. the base image doesnt contain avahi. cups drags it in
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1276[11:45:11] <TomyWork> this is funny, everything in the puppet run after the cups installation just explodes
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1285[11:48:32] <TwistedFate> Hello, how can I check if I have pixbuf support enabled in urxvt?
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1290[11:52:38] <fiet> TwistedFate: Set this in your Xresources file: URxvt*inheritPixmap: true
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1300[11:58:20] <TwistedFate> fiet: I added "URxvt*inheritPixmap: true" to ~/.Xresources but still no dice :(
1301[11:58:57] <TwistedFate> I am trying to get image preview enabled in ranger file manager
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1316[12:07:36] <Ilyas> i tried installing the guest additions in virtualbox for a Debian 9 vm, and after that it refused to properly boot ._.
1317[12:07:55] <Ilyas> so I begrudgingly switches to vmware player
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1319[12:08:44] <fiet> TwistedFate: Maybe it's compiled without support. You mee need to recompile it then.
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1321[12:09:08] <TwistedFate> fiet: I just checked, it has pixbuf flag replaced-url
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1330[12:12:19] <fiet> Weird. No idea then.
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1348[12:20:39] <TwistedFate> I managed to find the problem regarding image preivews in ranger. I didn't have all of the config files, should have done ranger --copy-config=all and then enable image preview in it's rc.conf file
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1377[12:45:02] <TomyWork> Ilyas odd, I've been using debian 9 in a virtualbox vm for the last 2 weeks
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1379[12:46:09] <TomyWork> I'm using pre-made bento boxes from the vagrant cloud. they're easy to rebuild as well if you don't like pulling OS images from the cloud :)
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1382[12:47:37] <TomyWork> what i can tell from reading the configuration scripts is that these boxes do not use the virtualbox guest additions from the debian repos
1383[12:48:10] <TomyWork> the instead install an up-to-date version of them from virtualbox.org
1384[12:48:15] <TomyWork> they*
1385[12:48:17] <p0g0> Ilyas: I have Sid in a Virtualbox hosted on a Sid box, it's running OK. I had to fix a symlink, iirc, to get it running after the last dist-upgrade.
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1387[12:48:47] <p0g0> And rebuild the modules, of course, with dkms.
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1389[12:48:48] <misty5> s
1390[12:48:48] <TomyWork> hardcore
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1392[12:50:09] <Ilyas> p0g0: I was running stretch, after running 'sh autorun.sh' from a terminal and rebooted, the machine just stayed black
1393[12:50:22] <Ilyas> no login screen ever came, so no clue how to recover
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1395[12:50:53] <Ilyas> rather than bashing my head I decided to leave vbox, didnt want to spend the time fixing this
1396[12:51:21] <Ilyas> also, my debian exp. is fairly light
1397[12:51:44] <p0g0> The only 'feature' I recall was needing to coerce the dkms rebuild, iirc, that took a dpkg-reconfigure (or a remove/add should do).
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1400[12:52:20] <Ilyas> TomyWork / p0g0: I went the manual route and downloaded an ISO, and did a manual install from there on my local host
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1402[12:52:37] <p0g0> That had to happen after all the dist-upgrade and booting from the latest kernel that I wanted the modules rebuilt for.
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1404[12:53:34] <Ilyas> once I have a production ready VM on vmware, I think I'll try fiddling with vbox again
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1407[12:55:35] <TomyWork> Ilyas vagrant init bento/debian-9.3 && vagrant up and you're set :)
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1409[12:55:52] <Ilyas> I know 0 about vagrant :(
1410[12:56:06] <TomyWork> that's ok, it's made for dummies :)
1411[12:56:38] <TomyWork> you can just use it to get your initial VM
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1413[12:57:29] <TomyWork> "vagrant ssh" to get into an SSH session on the box
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1415[12:57:54] <TomyWork> passwordless sudo is set up on the box
1416[12:58:14] <TomyWork> if you need the password, it's "vagrant" :)
1417[12:58:25] <babilen> And with vagrant-libvirt you can even use a non-shitty hypervisor ;)
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1419[12:58:57] <TomyWork> babilen i wouldnt recommend that provider though. hard to find a base box for it
1420[12:59:10] <babilen> debian publishes boxes
1421[12:59:36] <babilen> And you can easily build your own with packer .. It's a lot faster than vbox
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1423[12:59:46] <babilen> But sure, if you rely on a vbox only basebox
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1425[13:00:01] <TomyWork> anyway, the advantage of the virtualbox provider is that the same base box works on a number of host operating systems
1426[13:00:18] <babilen> That's literally the only advantage I can think of
1427[13:00:35] <TomyWork> but it's a big one
1428[13:01:25] <TomyWork> i literally do not know what Ilyas is using as a host OS, yet I can still be confident that the sequence of commands I gave him will work
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1430[13:01:45] <babilen> Given that this is #debian I think it's fair to assume that it's Debian
1431[13:01:47] <TomyWork> hell, they'll even work in a cmd :D
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1433[13:01:57] <TomyWork> babilen not necessarily
1434[13:02:07] <babilen> Sure
1435[13:02:11] <TomyWork> his guest os is debian 9
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1437[13:02:40] <babilen> Either way: It's nice to be able to use a decent hypervisor with vagrant
1438[13:02:56] <TomyWork> and since he didn't come here with questions about how to install vmware, i'd say his host os isn't a linux :D
1439[13:02:58] <babilen> And you really aren't restricted to a single one .. If I can, I'd opt for the faster one
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1441[13:03:13] <Ilyas> oh sorry, I should have said im using Windows as a host
1442[13:03:18] <TomyWork> bingo
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1444[13:03:24] <babilen> There you go then, so you have to use vbox
1445[13:03:38] <Ilyas> vmware player works too
1446[13:03:42] <TomyWork> there's also a hyper-v provider, but same problem :)
1447[13:03:46] <babilen> replaced-url
1448[13:03:48] <Ilyas> oh wait, not wit hvagrant
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1453[13:04:57] <TomyWork> yeah vagrant needs either VMware Fusion (that's for the mac i think) or VMware Workstation
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1459[13:05:56] <TomyWork> if you go for the official images, i'd suggest using contrib-stretch64 instead of stretch64
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1461[13:06:46] <babilen> replaced-url
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1463[13:07:10] <TomyWork> ah nice, they're using packer as well: replaced-url
1464[13:07:18] <babilen> They are indeed
1465[13:07:37] <babilen> (friendly bunch also)
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1468[13:09:09] <TomyWork> replaced-url
1469[13:09:31] <TomyWork> they're using the virtualbox guest additions from the debian repos
1470[13:09:35] <TomyWork> so they might be outdated
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1481[13:13:15] <TomyWork> but that wasn't the reason I switched to the bento box. I switched cause the official box doesn't use LVM
1482[13:14:26] <TomyWork> compare replaced-url
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1484[13:14:35] <TomyWork> lvm vs. no lvm
1485[13:14:58] <TomyWork> maybe i should file that as an issue :)
1486[13:15:53] <TomyWork> but they didn't enable issues for that project, so.... cba
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1500[13:22:12] <RoyK> TomyWork: I see no reason not to use lvm - for anything, really
1501[13:23:47] <TomyWork> yeah, especially vagrant boxes
1502[13:23:59] <TomyWork> if you run out of space, you're going to have a bad time
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1562[13:27:29] <TomyWork> oh wait, could be that virtualbox CAN expand vmdk now
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1680[13:30:22] <TomyWork> nope, it still errors out as soon as you click apply
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1693[13:31:25] <Vibor> Hi
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1698[13:33:20] <Vibor> So I connected my computer to a pptp vpn server, and using ip route add 10.0.0.0/8 dev ppp0
1699[13:33:33] <Vibor> added a ppp0 interface
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1702[13:34:05] <Vibor> But I dont know how to route all of my Internet traffic to that interface, can someone please tell me
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1704[13:34:08] <Vibor> Thanks
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1708[13:35:57] <Vibor> Could anyone please tell me?
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1716[13:38:07] <jelly> Vibor: first, add a route to your vpn server to the current defualt interface. Then, delete the current default route, and add a default route over ppp0
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1720[13:38:40] <jelly> if you only change the default route, your machine won't know how to get to the vpn server itself
1721[13:39:39] <Vibor> jelly: is it: route del default && route add default dev ppp0 ?
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1725[13:41:36] <Vibor> I tried these two commands and then it worked for a sec then it broke, I saw the method on some post I wasn't the only one who got into breaking Internet after runnning those two commands
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1728[13:42:17] <TomyWork> so *you* broke the internet
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1732[13:42:48] <Vibor> TomyWork: My own network
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1735[13:43:01] <Vibor> no joke
1736[13:43:11] <TomyWork> i think anyone helping you will need to your route list
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1738[13:43:25] <TomyWork> to see*
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1740[13:43:37] <Vibor> Okaydoky
1741[13:45:56] <dynek> does anyone know if a "deboostrap --arch=i386" can be transformed into a 64-bit without recreating the whole thing?
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1743[13:46:34] <jelly> ,v intel-microcode
1744[13:46:35] <judd> Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.20150121.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 3.20161104.1~deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 3.20170511.1~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1; jessie-backports-sloppy/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 3.20180108.1; sid
1745[13:46:36] <judd> /non-free: 3.20180108.1
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1747[13:46:57] <jelly> dynek: no, it's a lot easier to make a fresh one than migrate in place.
1748[13:47:19] <dynek> fair enough :-) thank you jelly !
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1750[13:47:53] <jelly> Vibor: that's biascally right, but you also need to add an explicit route to your vpn server before that
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1757[13:49:27] <Vibor> Hi, so here is the results after running `route -n` and `ifconfig` :replaced-url
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1762[13:51:04] <Vibor> 165.111.121.210 is the pptp vpn server's public address
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1765[13:51:31] <becks`> hi, I don't have the 'npm' command after installing nodejs on debian 9.3 - this guide suggests that's included, but it's debian 8: replaced-url
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1767[13:52:10] <Vibor> I think what I need to do is to route my traffic to route, but now it says the public address of the server Im connected to is on wlan1, I'm kinda confused
1768[13:52:16] <jelly> Vibor: so you got 165.111.121.210 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 wlan1, that ought to be enough
1769[13:52:50] <jelly> make sure that route doesn't disappear
1770[13:53:44] <Vibor> jelly: how should I do that, or is there some related info on the internet?
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1773[13:55:22] <jelly> just see it's still there after changing the default route
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1777[13:56:32] <Vibor> jelly: so should I still just run route del default && route add default dev ppp0 ?
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1782[13:58:20] <jelly> yes
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1820[14:17:37] <FightingFalcon> hey jellyy!!!!!
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1834[14:25:34] <emaia> Anyone knows where i can find official documentation for how to backports some packages? Thanks in advance
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1842[14:28:56] <abrotman> dpkg: tell emaia about ssb
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1856[14:36:03] <avis-> hello
1857[14:36:41] <avis-> how do i unhide openbox menu and let it autogenerate a all listing of applications based on some debian toggle that works unlocking not just os packages but other installed onces on the menu ?
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1862[14:40:23] <g0zzy> Any way to list names in FAT/DOS 8.3 format with a ntfs-3g mount?
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1933[15:13:10] <IAMCABOOSE> HELLO
1934[15:13:12] <IAMCABOOSE> I AM CABOOSE
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1936[15:13:44] <IAMCABOOSE> I NEED HELP
1937[15:13:48] <IAMCABOOSE> HOW DO I MAKE MY LETTERS NOT BIG
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1941[15:15:15] <gpunk> do you know where the tab key is ?
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1945[15:15:55] <IAMCABOOSE> HOW CAN A KEY BE A TAB AND A KEY
1946[15:15:56] <IAMCABOOSE> WAIT
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1948[15:16:03] <IAMCABOOSE> ARE YOU TELLING ME KEYBOARDS HAVE ACID TABS ON THEM
1949[15:16:09] <IAMCABOOSE> OH MY GOOOOD
1950[15:16:29] <gpunk> trolling
1951[15:16:34] <gpunk> getlost dude
1952[15:16:38] <IAMCABOOSE> OH SORRY
1953[15:16:42] <IAMCABOOSE> THE ONE THAT SAYS THE LETTERS TAB
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1956[15:16:45] <IAMCABOOSE> AND IT HAS BIG ARROWS ON IT
1957[15:16:54] <IAMCABOOSE> I PRESSED IT
1958[15:16:56] <IAMCABOOSE> CAN YOU STILL HEAR ME?
1959[15:16:57] <bezaban> babilen: around? :)
1960[15:17:11] <IAMCABOOSE> WHAT IS THIS LIGHT ON MY KEYBOARD? I DID NOT KNOW KEYBOARDS HAD LIGHTS
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1963[15:17:50] <IAMCABOOSE> GPUNK PLEASE HELP ME
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1965[15:20:09] <gpunk> under the tab key there is a shift-lock key
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1967[15:20:12] <gpunk> pres it once
1968[15:20:21] <gpunk> one light should go off
1969[15:20:26] <IAMCABOOSE> I PRESSED THE SHIFT KEY
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1972[15:20:54] <gpunk> the one between shift key and tab key
1973[15:21:07] <IAMCABOOSE> did it work
1974[15:21:11] <gpunk> yes
1975[15:21:13] <IAMCABOOSE> oh my god my letters are tiny
1976[15:21:14] <IAMCABOOSE> yay
1977[15:21:22] <IAMCABOOSE> ok now can you tell me how to install linux on a mac mini
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1984[15:22:11] <gpunk> replaced-url
1985[15:22:12] * jelly not buying it
1986[15:22:23] <bezaban> +1
1987[15:22:40] <Iridos> rent or lease, though?
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2062[16:02:27] <TomyWork> which files are holds stored in?
2063[16:02:41] <TomyWork> "apt-mark hold avahi-daemon" for instance
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2069[16:05:29] <TomyWork> it's not in /var/lib/{apt,dpkg} as far as i can tell
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2077[16:09:07] <pdobrogost> How can I specify files' owner when building a deb package?
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2080[16:09:30] <jelly> pdobrogost: you don't. Files inside a deb package should be owned by root.
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2084[16:10:51] <jelly> pdobrogost: if you have eg. a /var/lib/packagename directory that needs to be owned by a service/system user, chown it in postinst after the user is created
2085[16:10:54] <pdobrogost> jelly: I need to package software which is required to be run by specific user and thus has specific owner and group for files. There was no problem achieving this with RPM. There must be a way…
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2087[16:11:34] <jelly> pdobrogost: chown/chgrp stuff in postinst, then
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2089[16:12:10] <pdobrogost> That's the only way?
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2091[16:12:44] <jelly> my chrome browser is run by user jelly. Yet all the package contents are owned by root.
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2093[16:13:49] <jelly> pdobrogost: not the only way, but it's less error prone than sticking files with fixed uid/gid into binary packages.
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2095[16:14:31] <jelly> pdobrogost: if you use alien to convert a rpm with non-root files, you'll see it does something similar
2096[16:14:59] <tw> I don't have anything in my /etc or /usr directories not owned by root. That seems like a pretty uncommon configuration for package files.
2097[16:15:02] <pdobrogost> jelly: thanks
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2102[16:15:58] <tw> eg. find /usr ! -uid 0 -> emptyset.
2103[16:15:59] <jelly> for its own packages, debian takes care only to chown dirs with mutable service-only data
2104[16:16:56] <jelly> so /var/lib/mysql gets to be owned my mysql:mysql but there's no reason for /usr/sbin/mysqld
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2106[16:18:01] <pokington> If I have nvidia-driver (AMD64) installed, is there a way to install nvidia-driver:i386 without breaking lots of stuff? I'm having trouble making sense of what aptitude is telling me while trying to configure my system to run Steam -- I don't know what most of these packages actually do.
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2108[16:18:30] <pokington> I can live without it, but maybe this is a learning opportunity
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2111[16:19:34] <jelly> pokington: you probably don't need nvidia-driver:i386 but just parts of it, start with nvidia-driver-libs:i386
2112[16:20:25] <tw> that's the only one you need, aside from steam. You also need
2113[16:20:29] <tw> libdb5.1_5.1.29-5_i386.deb libdb5.1_5.1.29-5_amd64.deb
2114[16:20:46] <tw> from jessie.
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2119[16:21:35] <pokington> ok, wonderful, it's not trying to uninstall lots of stuff anymore, I'll see if that works
2120[16:22:04] <pokington> wow, that fixed it
2121[16:22:12] <pokington> thank you so much
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2124[16:22:23] <tw> the libdb5.1 thing will fix the steam browser crashes and high cpu usage <.<
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2126[16:23:02] <pokington> Follow on question for my own edification: what's the conceptual difference between, say, libegl and libgles and libglx?
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2129[16:25:15] <tw> egl = platform management, gles = low level graphics, glx = xorg driver.
2130[16:25:22] <pokington> tw: looks like I have libdb5.3:amd64 (5.2.28-13) installed
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2136[16:25:47] <tw> Yep, you need the old one too.
2137[16:26:11] <pokington> tw: huh, ok, will get it. Also, thanks for the info!
2138[16:26:21] <tw> I guess give it a try without the old library.
2139[16:26:35] <tw> The last time I installed fresh was november.
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2143[16:26:41] <tw> It may not be required anymore.
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2160[16:31:06] <blackbinary> hu guys :)
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2175[16:34:20] <blackbinary> i have here a new Razer Blade Stealth 2017 which no Debian installer wants to boot. The 9.3 Live DVD works in the live Mode but not the installer Mode. When I choose Installer in Grub I get a blackscreen and nothing works anymore i do not see any kernel output
2176[16:34:25] <TomyWork> replaced-url
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2180[16:34:52] <TomyWork> also, running apt-mark hold overwrites existing holds instead of adding holds
2181[16:34:57] <blackbinary> how can i troubleshoot the grub booting process ?
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2186[16:36:24] <TomyWork> if you want to see something even weirder, run "apt-mark hold mc", then run "apt-mark hold mc kate" repeatedly
2187[16:36:24] <blackbinary> and whats makes the Live image so diffrent than the installer Image? one can boot up no problem the other does nothing at all both on the same ISO
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2192[16:37:45] <TomyWork> can someone confirm that bug on their side?
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2213[16:48:12] <gvo> Debian jessie install I tried to install openssh-server and it hung at creating ssh2 ED25519 key. I had to reboot and now I can't purge or continue with the install. It just hangs.
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2217[16:49:12] <gvo> sshd is running OK but apt-get and dpkg don't work cause it tries to configure openssh-server and hangs.
2218[16:49:41] <Learnerwind> Hey. I am using a virt-manager in debian with xenial. I am having problems with git, add-apt-repository and npm. Could someone give me some hint?
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2220[16:50:29] <gvo> I've tried to purge and remove, but they hang. Is there a way to tell dpkg to ignore that package?
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2224[16:52:21] <teatime> gvo: you know, I suspect it's not really hanging on generating the key, it just takes a while. Can be a fairly long while, if low on entropy.
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2227[16:53:19] <gvo> An hour?
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2231[16:53:54] <teatime> no, probably not an hour :/
2232[16:53:57] <teatime> what kind of system is it?
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2236[16:55:05] <gvo> It's an lxd container running on a 4 processor 2 Ghz amd Phenom processor with 8 GB memory
2237[16:55:08] <teatime> does 'dpkg --remove openssh-server' fail ?
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2239[16:55:16] <gvo> No it hangs
2240[16:55:27] <teatime> more specifically
2241[16:55:38] <teatime> it tries to complete the install, i.e. the configuration step, for openssh-server, first ?
2242[16:55:44] <teatime> everything does, before doing what you ask?
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2245[16:56:43] <gvo> It's hung right now, let me reboot and see. IIRC it doesn't do anything. But let me check.
2246[16:56:51] <teatime> k
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2250[16:57:50] <gvo> I get multiple lines first says Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory
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2252[16:58:05] <gvo> Running as root
2253[16:58:28] <gvo> Then the expected invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "stop" failed.
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2255[16:59:10] <gvo> Then a few more Failed to get D-Bus ... messages
2256[16:59:39] <TomyWork> (i cross-posted my question on OFTC's #debian)
2257[16:59:47] <teatime> oh! it hangs on boot-up, you meant/said ?
2258[17:00:17] <teatime> oh, sorry no
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2260[17:00:38] <teatime> so it tries to like 'service sshd stop' before uninstalling. ok.
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2263[17:00:49] <gvo> sure
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2265[17:01:19] <gvo> But that's a known problem and won't affect the removal.
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2267[17:01:35] <teatime> so, yes this is a thing that happens, if a package gets half-installed/half-configured it can be a PITA to remove it because everything wants to "complete the previous installation" before doing anything else
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2270[17:01:51] <gvo> Yes
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2272[17:02:07] <teatime> which by the way "apt-get -f install" or "dpkg-reconfigure -a" is how you manually ask to "complete the previous installation"
2273[17:02:24] <teatime> when you're in a situation like you are and *must* manually/hackishly remove, because the "right" way won't work
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2275[17:02:38] <teatime> yes there are flags and stuff, --force-<various things>, you can use to make it happen
2276[17:02:47] <teatime> sorry I was gonna be more specific but got asked to leave IRC suddenly
2277[17:03:02] <teatime> there are flags to suppress pre-remove/post-install scripts from packages running, etc.
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2279[17:03:34] <gvo> The apt-get -f install hangs.
2280[17:03:35] <teatime> you can try 'dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq --dry-run openssh-server' (and then if that looks sane, the same without --dry-run)
2281[17:03:47] <gvo> OK thanks.
2282[17:03:50] <teatime> if that doesn't work,
2283[17:03:58] <teatime> it's some other similar thing, from the dpkg man-page
2284[17:04:04] <teatime> gotta go, good luck.
2285[17:04:09] <gvo> Thanks
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2309[17:11:52] <stemid> hey I upgraded a wheezy to jessie. it had a python app on it. so after the upgrade I remade the whole virtualenv and reinstalled gunicorn in it. but gunicorn now keeps giving an empty reply and nginx times out with 504. no errors in logs. is this a known issue after upgrading to jessie?
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2322[17:14:51] <`Kevin> if you are seeing a 504 then gunicorn isnt giving a response at all no?
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2328[17:16:12] <TomyWork> !hold
2329[17:16:13] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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2333[17:16:43] <stemid> yes, if I curl gunicorn directly I get an empty reply after many seconds of waiting.
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2335[17:16:51] <stemid> so the nginx 504 is just a side effect
2336[17:17:04] <stemid> the actual problem is with gunicorn not working with the same arguments, new virtualenv, after jessie upgrade.
2337[17:17:14] <TomyWork> "fixed in stretch" sounds suspicious ^^
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2350[17:21:44] <Sansar> Hello, is there a way to receive an e-mail or reminder when a specific package migrateds to stable (or testing)?
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2355[17:23:22] <`Kevin> stemid: ok then it sounds specific to python, you might find some detail in strace thou if its looping trying todo something or blocked waiting to connect to something etc
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2361[17:24:36] <n4dir> Sansar: usually packages don't migrate to stable.
2362[17:24:45] <`Kevin> watch cpu usage and see if it one of the python threads hits 100% (signs of a loop or similar) or if it sits at 0% while generating the reply (signs of its waiting on something eg tcp cxn)
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2364[17:24:55] <`Kevin> see if one of*
2365[17:25:37] <Sansar> n4dir: Maybe I misused the terminology, I was asking how can I learn immediately when a package in testing makes it to stable?
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2367[17:26:31] <stemid> `Kevin: huh interesting. I ran it in strace for the heck of it and did a curl to see what would happen, now it works. I get a full response from curl.
2368[17:26:36] <stemid> which I could see in strace too.
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2370[17:27:09] <stemid> I suspect it was missing some packages in the virtualenv because the only other thing I did was to run pip on another requirements file I hadn't used. it's a mess.
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2375[17:27:34] <stemid> yeah now it works. even without strace.
2376[17:28:09] <n4dir> Sansar: again: packages don't migrate from testing to stable. Once stable is released, it is the way that it is.
2377[17:29:04] <Sansar> n4dir: Uh, oh, got it. So what about from sid to testing?
2378[17:29:07] <n4dir> doesn't answer your original question, of course. I have never heard of a tool which will give the info
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2381[17:29:45] <Sansar> so it seems I need to manually check everytime to see the status of the packages?
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2383[17:30:20] <n4dir> slow now. As far *i* know. There are lots of tools in debian i have never heard of :-)
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2385[17:31:09] <Sansar> ı got it. There are many packages that are stuck in sid for long time, maybe testing is somehow like "frozen" at the moment?
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2393[17:34:15] <n4dir> many will complain, but i think that for exactly that reason sid is the better option compared with testing (there is also the option to run a mixed testing/unstable system, of course)
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2396[17:34:54] <`Kevin> stemid: ah good :) at least it works nontheless
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2398[17:35:29] <babilen> Sansar: IMHO, you can't really track testing without also having unstable in your sources (cf. /msg dpkg tum)
2399[17:36:00] <Sansar> babilen: Sound right
2400[17:36:13] <Sansar> just too coward to have a mixed repo
2401[17:37:00] <jelly> testing is already problematic on its, adding unstable doesn't change things too much and sometimes even helps
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2403[17:37:11] <jelly> own
2404[17:37:17] <babilen> Well, it makes things considerably easier to administrate as apt doesn't go bonkers whenever a package is transitioning or has been removed and whatnot
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2406[17:37:54] <babilen> Obviosly you still want to set the default release and ensure that apt-listbugs is installed and all that
2407[17:37:55] * jelly wonders whatever happened to intel-microcode for stretch
2408[17:37:57] <n4dir> Sansar: forums.debian.net has an old (!) how to do it. The trick is to make testing the default, and only install from sid if you really want (apt-get install -t sid <pkg> ; or such).
2409[17:38:25] <greycat> !ssb
2410[17:38:25] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2411[17:38:26] <n4dir> i think in apt's preferences file, but the how-to will tell (assuming the bot info babilen gave you don't do it. )
2412[17:38:29] <jelly> n4dir: yes, that's what /msg dpkg tum does.
2413[17:38:38] <n4dir> ah, sorry.
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2415[17:39:01] <greycat> If you DON'T want a broken system, you should stick to one release, and use backports (making them yourself if need be) for the things you ABSOLUTELY cannot live without a newer version of.
2416[17:39:08] <jelly> not about what's good for your tum
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2419[17:39:48] <lng> Hi! /var/log/syslog is keep growing because of messages like these: replaced-url
2420[17:40:05] <lng> it stopped after dhclient killed
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2423[17:40:50] <Sansar> I don't mind old versions of softwares. But the members of this channel probably knows my urgent need of a specific package, which was really vital, but couldn't be found in testing though it was on stable and sid. Some packages seems to be a must. I am going to install sid to my old computer and see if it will have frequent breaks or not
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2426[17:41:03] <n4dir> greycat: well, a few will have to run sid, so they can tell us what a mess it is ...
2427[17:41:12] <Sansar> BTW, is there any software in debian that can organize and present me the logs when the system freezes or crashes?
2428[17:41:18] <Sansar> in GUI i mean
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2431[17:41:48] <jelly> lng: does your machine get its ip address from a dhcp server or is it statically configured?
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2433[17:42:07] <Sansar> I finally found the .deb package of the software I neede from pkgs.org and solved the problem, though it doesn't sound the best option
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2436[17:42:39] <lng> jelly: it is EC2 instance based on AWS Market AMI. How to check it?
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2438[17:43:11] <jelly> lng: look at /etc/network/interfaces for a start
2439[17:43:15] <jelly> !interfaces
2440[17:43:15] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
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2447[17:44:47] <lng> jelly: replaced-url
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2449[17:45:33] <lng> dhcp then
2450[17:46:05] <lng> looks like I need to delete unused ones
2451[17:46:29] <uniqdom> I have an encrypted hidden partition in a external hard disk in a given sector offset. how can I open it with cryptsetup? cryptsetup doesn't seems to accept a offset parameter.
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2455[17:47:13] <uniqdom> the drive is /dev/sdc. can i remap a sector offset in the drive to a new device file?
2456[17:47:17] <jelly> lng: it's weird and possibly wrong to have both "auto eth0" and "allow-hotplug eth0" in the config, not sure which takes precedence
2457[17:47:50] <lng> jelly: let's delete one)
2458[17:47:51] <jelly> aside from that, yeah, all 9 of your ifaces seem to get config via dhcp
2459[17:48:15] <lng> jelly: but I have eth0 and lo only
2460[17:48:27] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2462[17:49:27] <greycat> "auto eth0" is almost certainly what you want on a server
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2465[17:50:23] <jelly> uniqdom: is there a partition table format at all?
2466[17:50:46] <lng> greycat: thanks
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2469[17:51:09] <lng> iface eth0 inet6 manual
2470[17:51:15] <uniqdom> jelly: the master boot record doesn't know this hidden partition. but I know the offset where the partition start
2471[17:51:17] <lng> hould I delete it too ^
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2473[17:51:40] <jelly> uniqdom: I guess you can use dmsetup manually
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2477[17:53:11] <lng> jelly, greycat: replaced-url
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2479[17:53:15] <lng> it is right?
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2483[17:53:56] <jelly> lng: I have no idea what those ipv6 manual stanza do or whether something might break in your cloud environment.
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2485[17:54:29] <lng> jelly: it is ipv4
2486[17:54:40] <jelly> lng: you deleted the definition for ipv4 eth0 config.
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2488[17:55:21] <jelly> put it back.
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2490[17:55:43] <jelly> iface eth0 inet ...
2491[17:55:55] <uniqdom> "sudo mount -o offset=2500000256 /dev/sdf /tmp/disk" is outputing this: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS'"
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2493[17:56:27] <uniqdom> jelly, I will read the man for dmsetup
2494[17:56:46] <jelly> uniqdom: you'll want to cryptsetup luksOpen that first. instead of mounting
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2497[17:57:13] <uniqdom> Yes, it was just to be sure that that's the offset.
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2499[17:57:26] <lng> jelly: k
2500[17:57:32] <jelly> no idea whether cryptsetup supports a nonzero offset on its own, rtfm?
2501[17:57:47] <miranit> hi where can i can download mate desktop while downloading debian?
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2505[17:58:14] <jelly> miranit: you can pick it on the Task Selection menu, I think?
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2507[17:58:47] <jelly> miranit: if not, install task-mate-desktop package after the OS is installed
2508[17:59:02] <miranit> on debian site, i can't find the full iso with mate
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2510[17:59:17] <uniqdom> --offset, -o start offset in the backend device (in 512-byte sectors). This option is only relevant for create action.
2511[17:59:25] <uniqdom> that's on cryptsetup :(
2512[17:59:36] <jelly> uniqdom: it's dmsetup time then!
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2516[18:00:11] <miranit> other distro give that option while downloading before
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2519[18:00:53] <jelly> miranit: this one doesn't. If you have (wired) internet access during installation, you can choose it anyway.
2520[18:01:08] <jelly> just pick the small, netinst image
2521[18:01:46] <jelly> miranit: if you have a laptop with a wireless card, to have (most) wireless cards working during installation, you'll have to use
2522[18:01:49] <jelly> !firmware images
2523[18:01:49] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
2524[18:01:53] <miranit> i don't like the idea download while installing. :(
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2526[18:02:36] <jelly> miranit: you can also do it after installing.
2527[18:02:58] <miranit> i guess that is the way seems possible
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2529[18:03:09] <miranit> only possible
2530[18:03:18] <jelly> if that idea is also not to your liking, then don't install debian
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2535[18:04:11] <jelly> or invest time in creating a custom debian-installer image w/ mate just for your own offline installation needs
2536[18:04:22] <jelly> !next
2537[18:04:22] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2539[18:06:10] <Iridos> there's a debian-live image flavor with mate, though
2540[18:06:17] <jelly> they left
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2542[18:06:19] <Iridos> hm. mate flavor. sounds kind of tasty
2543[18:07:03] <jelly> live is equivalent to netinst in d-i size I think
2544[18:07:22] <Iridos> not from what I just read…
2545[18:07:26] <jelly> tbh I never tried installing from live
2546[18:07:38] <Iridos> me neither :)
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2551[18:08:20] <Iridos> and I hardly ever install… what'd I want to keep doing that for
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2563[18:13:04] <tw> Is it installing if it's a preseed autoinstall script?
2564[18:13:07] <tw> I do that a fair bit.
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2566[18:13:36] <jelly> yes
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2575[18:17:05] <jelly> Sansar: is everything ok with your network connection?
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2577[18:17:29] <Sansar> jelly: Stormy weather here, I am giving up if it disconnects again
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2587[18:21:31] <uniqdom> sudo dmsetup create encryptedDevice --table "4882813 4882814 linear /dev/sdf 0" ---> device-mapper: reload ioctl on encryptedDevice failed: Invalid argument
2588[18:21:31] <uniqdom> Command failed
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2591[18:22:42] <uniqdom> I'm just guessing the end sector. could this be the problem?
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2593[18:25:38] <tw> what are you trying to do?
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2601[18:28:42] <jelly> uniqdom: give it the whole disk? what "blockdev --getsize /dev/sdf" says, minus that $((2500000256 / 512))
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2603[18:29:14] <uniqdom> tw: I have a hidden encrypted partition starting from sector 4882813 in /dev/sdf. I can't 'cryptosetup luksOpen' it, as that tool doesn't support the offset. So, i need to create a new device (something like a remap. i haven't done this before so i don't know the terminology) that starts from that offset
2604[18:29:40] <tw> uniqdom: disk offset is the last arg, the first arg is linear's offset.
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2608[18:31:05] <jelly> if you have lvm somewhere, you can look at "dmsetup table" output to get a clue
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2612[18:31:41] <uniqdom> 15669248−2500000256÷512
2613[18:31:45] <uniqdom> 10786435
2614[18:32:29] <uniqdom> tw: you mean this: sudo dmsetup create encryptedDevice --table "0 10786435linear /dev/sdf 4882813" ??
2615[18:32:36] <jelly> so... "0 10786436 linear /dev/sdf 4882813" ?
2616[18:32:41] <tw> probably more what you want, yes.
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2618[18:33:21] <uniqdom> sudo dmsetup create encryptedDevice --table "0 10786435 linear /dev/sdf 4882813" -> device-mapper: reload ioctl on encryptedDevice failed: Device or resource busy Command failed
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2620[18:33:55] <tw> is encryptedDevice already mapped?
2621[18:34:20] <uniqdom> no. the drive was mounted... i have umounted it
2622[18:34:27] <jelly> lol
2623[18:34:47] <uniqdom> now it sais: no medium found
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2625[18:35:00] <uniqdom> damn... i think that it was ejected lol
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2628[18:36:20] <jelly> it's a lot easier to use lvm or a partition table. But maybe you're hoping for plausible deniability.
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2632[18:37:37] <uniqdom> it works!! thanks jelly and tw :D
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2649[18:45:42] <TomyWork> this disk containing uniformly distributed random bytes and no partition tables whatsoever is definitely not an encrypted disk, officer
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2671[18:56:54] <jelly> TomyWork: what? I just copied it from a smaller usb stick and forgot to resize!
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2674[18:58:10] <TomyWork> oh good point
2675[18:58:25] <TomyWork> and the random bytes were like that
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2679[18:59:23] <jelly> might get away with it if they get rid of the luks signature
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2689[19:05:00] <Iridos> use the force, luks diskwalker ^^
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2765[19:46:41] <DammitJim> doing top and reading the RES column... that's supposed to be the physical memory used from the process in bytes, right?
2766[19:47:36] <brimonk> DammitJim: RTFM
2767[19:47:43] <DammitJim> I did
2768[19:47:47] <DammitJim> just verifying that what I read is correct
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2773[19:49:30] <greycat> Resident Set Size is basically "real memory, not shared", yeah.
2774[19:49:55] <DammitJim> and it is read in bytes, right?
2775[19:50:20] <greycat> top shows kB I believe
2776[19:50:50] <DammitJim> that's why I'm having a hard time believing the amount of RAM used and wanted to get confirmation on the kB vs B
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2778[19:51:11] <DammitJim> or maybe I just don't know what RES is
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2784[19:51:54] <greycat> Resident Set Size, same as RSS in ps u.
2785[19:52:11] <DammitJim> thanks greycat
2786[19:52:17] <DammitJim> that's helpful... ps u equivalent
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2834[20:13:59] <Fa|ko> Hi
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2837[20:15:19] <jelly> yes hi
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2846[20:20:15] <Fa|ko> a fast question, in my server i Try to use the mariadb repo and upgraded my server. Due to many error (eg: pure-ftp/postfix is dead ), i opted to return to stable package but downgrade seems to doesn't work (rm mariadb.list; apt update ; apt upgrade) and mariadb remain at 10.2. Any guide or solution to this?
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2848[20:21:06] <Brigo> Fa|ko, did you try to remove mariadb?
2849[20:21:09] <greycat> The correct answer, I believe, is to back up the database, purge the mariadb server package(s), purge the database, reinstall the older ones, and then restore the database from your backup.
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2851[20:21:24] <Fa|ko> Yes, i forced reinstall to 10.1
2852[20:22:16] <Fa|ko> it's seems to works, but repo contain libmariadbclient18 that break pure-ftpd-mysql
2853[20:23:09] <jelly> Fa|ko: what exactly did you mean by "rm mariadb.list", and which debian release is this?
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2855[20:23:39] <greycat> The clients are a different thing entirely. Much more purge-able and reinstall-able, since there's no data associated with 'em.
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2857[20:25:25] <jelly> Fa|ko: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy mariadb-server pure-ftpd-mysql postfix-mysql libmariadbclient18"
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2860[20:25:56] <Fa|ko> /etc/debian-version -> 9.3 | repo was added by /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mariadb.list - Ok
2861[20:26:29] <jelly> !paste
2862[20:26:29] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2866[20:29:40] <Fa|ko> replaced-url
2867[20:31:01] <jelly> Fa|ko: downgrade libmariadbclient18 to version from debian
2868[20:31:15] <Fa|ko> yep, but how ?
2869[20:31:27] <jelly> apt-get install package=version will work
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2872[20:31:47] <jelly> s/will/should/
2873[20:32:31] <jelly> Fa|ko: two unrelated things: avoid using "stable" in sources.list. If you mean stretch, use s
2874[20:32:50] <jelly> "stretch". Second, why do you still have jessie repos enabled?
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2876[20:33:08] <Fa|ko> for using php5 (pinned by 100 ; )
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2879[20:33:39] <jelly> my condolences. Perhaps see if deb.sury.org has something for your needs.
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2883[20:35:26] <jelly> (sury has php5.6 builds for stretch)
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2889[20:37:13] <jelly> Fa|ko: otherwise, when buster gets released your system will become a mess
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2891[20:37:52] <jelly> probably worse mess than it is right now
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2894[20:39:12] <Fa|ko> I know, but i don't have any other solution to works with some (very very) legacy application.
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2896[20:39:38] <greycat> He's saying to change "stable" to "stretch", right now.
2897[20:39:51] <greycat> It won't change anything immediately, but it will prevent future disaster.
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2901[20:42:11] <Fa|ko> ok, changed in sources.list (now in shell i have multiple msg for multiple "target traslation", apt update/upgrade have no effect
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2903[20:43:22] <jelly> that's fine
2904[20:43:59] <jelly> and if you think that's legacy, I have a wheezy system with squeeze php.
2905[20:44:19] * jelly cries silently
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2908[20:45:30] <Fa|ko> cool, i this company they works with application that used php 5.3 ...
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2910[20:46:11] <Fa|ko> s/i/in
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2915[20:49:33] <Fa|ko> OOhhh good, now it's work
2916[20:49:49] <Fa|ko> Thanks Very very much for support
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2919[20:51:22] <Fa|ko> (I just remove libmariadb18 , reinstalled daemon and updated my system)
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2925[20:54:28] <Fa|ko> Now, i need to go away - Thanks to jelly & greycat . goodbye!
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2975[21:18:55] <drocsid> Hi I have a 32 bit binary like: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=1b67a78eddc6dd2548653cf3e59e6735ebcbe13b, not stripped
2976[21:19:25] <drocsid> I have: dpkg --add-architecture i386
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2979[21:19:47] <drocsid> How do I know what packages I need to install to execute it from my 64-bit debian?
2980[21:20:20] <drocsid> right now when I try to execute it I get: No such file or directory
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2986[21:24:15] <tijeretas__> drocsid: ldd name_of_binary | grep "[N,n]ot found"
2987[21:24:18] <Guest81970> anyway i can get hdmi sound working
2988[21:24:32] <Guest81970> i figure ive waited long enough
2989[21:24:43] <Guest81970> for them to come up w the drivers
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2991[21:26:17] <barcabuona> hey guys is there a default music player in debian?
2992[21:27:02] <Guest81970> ya
2993[21:27:05] <Guest81970> rithmbox
2994[21:27:18] <greycat> I would say no, there isn't a default music player.
2995[21:27:21] <tijeretas__> barcabuona: no. unless your question is whether the desktops you install have default ones? Then probably Gnome: Rhythmbox. The other desktops have other ones. I don't remember.
2996[21:27:55] <Guest81970> Rhythmbox
2997[21:28:00] <Guest81970> 3.4.1
2998[21:28:11] <Guest81970> Music management and playback software for GNOME.
2999[21:28:16] <barcabuona> ah ok so only if there's a desktop, and it's a gui app :\
3000[21:28:29] <Guest81970> ya why
3001[21:28:44] <Guest81970> im sure u can play it with command line
3002[21:28:48] <barcabuona> i'm looking for a quick solution to play mp3 files from a program written in rust (there are no libs for playing mp3 in rust)
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3004[21:29:23] <Guest81970> u can instuct rust to syscall rythmbox
3005[21:30:40] <tijeretas__> barcabuona: So Rust can't call external applications like a shell does?
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3007[21:31:19] <tw> it can. it can also use ffi, so you could call libmpv, etc.
3008[21:31:28] <barcabuona> tijeretas__: it can but it just so happens a friend didn't even have mpv installed on his machine..so im looking something acceptable that can work on most user systems regardless of distro. unfortunately, ffplay has a bug
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3013[21:32:32] <barcabuona> tw: yeah i was keeping ffi as a last resort but maybe libmpv isn't so bad
3014[21:32:47] <Guest81970> guys
3015[21:32:53] <tw> libmpv is about as simple as it can get when playing media files out-of-thread.
3016[21:32:53] <Guest81970> help me w hdmi sound
3017[21:33:00] <Guest81970> u can dooo it
3018[21:33:03] <tijeretas__> barcabuona: If libmpv is anything like mpv itself, then it's really good.
3019[21:33:24] <tw> mpd will let you play files from a tcp command socket if you've got it running. mpg321 is probably the lightest weight for just mp3 playback.
3020[21:33:57] <tijeretas__> mpg321 can only do wav or mp3 I think, right? mpv can do many formats.
3021[21:34:12] <tw> he specifically said mp3, which is why I mention it.
3022[21:35:11] <tijeretas__> tw: true. I personally try to think ahead.
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3025[21:36:57] <tw> Honestly, if system() is an acceptable solution, it sounds like a quick hack already.
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3028[21:38:01] <drocsid> tijeretas__: that had no effect
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3031[21:40:05] <tw> drocsid: you need at least libc6:i386 to get a 32-bit ld-linux.so
3032[21:40:11] <tw> ldd won't even run until you have that.
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3038[21:41:11] <tijeretas__> drocsid: if it had no output, then no libraries seem to be missing or the binary is statically linked or weird in a way i don't understand.
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3042[21:41:46] <tw> tijeretas__: it can't run the dynamic loader because the loader isn for that architecture.
3043[21:41:49] <tijeretas__> tw: but won't 64bit ldd just be fine for showing the dependencies of a 32bit library?
3044[21:41:51] <tw> isn't installed
3045[21:41:52] <tw> No.
3046[21:42:01] <tijeretas__> tw: thanks, i didn't know that.
3047[21:43:01] <drocsid> Somewhere told me to install lib32z1 lib32ncurses5
3048[21:43:16] <drocsid> now I get error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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3052[21:43:51] <tijeretas__> drocsid: So install libstdc6++ for 32bit. apt search will show you the package name
3053[21:45:05] <tw> drocsid: you can probably run ldd now to get a list of missing deps.
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3055[21:45:59] <drocsid> ahh thanks!
3056[21:46:30] <tw> tijeretas__: ldd is actually an odd beast. On glibc systems, it sets an environment variable and then executes the file, which causes the loader to print debug output as it resolves symbols. Try running it against something that statically links musl sometime.
3057[21:47:23] <tw> So it's actually running the program. If the loader is missing, it can't output anything because it doesn't get that far.
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3059[21:48:06] <tw> This is why ldd as root is bad.
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3061[21:48:09] <tijeretas__> tw: thanks. not sure if anything I have installed uses musl though, but I'm curious enough to do it :) This lib hunting reminds me of getting an ancient version of Unreal Tournament 2004 to run on a recent system.
3062[21:48:45] <drocsid> I see lib64stdc++6/unstable 7.2.0-19 i386
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3065[21:49:00] <drocsid> not sure if that will work or not....
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3069[21:49:26] <drocsid> can't seem to find libstdc++ for i386
3070[21:50:05] <tw> drocsid: package is just libstdc++6:i386
3071[21:50:31] <tijeretas__> drocsid: It's in the repos and the package is: libstdc++6:i386
3072[21:50:46] <drocsid> Ok, not sur ewhy I couldn't find it.. Thanks again
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3074[21:51:07] <dutchfish> drocsid, replaced-url
3075[21:51:33] <dutchfish> drocsid, replaced-url
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3077[21:52:51] <drocsid> We got it figured out, it works. Thanks! Then the trick first was to install lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 then we could see what I needed...
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3126[22:19:00] <teatime> <n4dir> many will complain, but i think that for exactly that reason sid is the better option compared with testing <-- while you can't expect either one to be "stable"/bug-free, yeah I was under the impression this was the current truth / official suggestion.
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3133[22:21:03] <annadane> sid is fun. =) in every sense of the word
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3138[22:24:12] <greycat> That includes the Dwarf Fortress sense, I presume.
3139[22:24:31] <tw> I suspect that analogy is uniquely apt.
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3144[22:26:57] <annadane> replaced-url
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3147[22:27:59] <tijeretas__> sid is fun. what's not fun, is reading the forum yammering of all the shiny-new-syndrome people that expect Sid to be the same as Ubuntu with PPAs.
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3150[22:28:44] <teatime> TomyLobo / jelly : The scariest part of that is being "caught" with an actual hard drive you've wiped, full of actual random bytes, and told to unencrypt it, and being held in contempt indefinitely, because you "refuse" to decrypt an "encrypted drive" for the police.
3151[22:28:53] <teatime> sorry should have been in -offtopic
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3156[22:33:19] <TomyLobo> i.e. the other way round?
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3161[22:34:01] <TomyLobo> going to #debian-offtopic
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3196[22:56:25] <tw> Is there a certificate pinning database for command line utilities on linux? ie, can I pin a cert for host1.local and have curl, lynx, etc respect that when doing certificate validation?
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3209[23:01:01] <teatime> tw: no, certificate pinning is afaik still an application-level behavior; something Chrome e.g. does, not the SSL library or OS. so they'd each have to do it themselves, individually, or there'd have to be work to define a system-wide service for that.
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3214[23:01:48] <teatime> tw: what you can do though is make your own internal root CA, that issues your certificates, even for names like "host1.local" (by the way, don't use .local), install that CA certificate into the list-of-trusted-CAs on your systems
3215[23:01:53] <tw> after some google searching, gnutls does pin and verify if requested, keeping a database of public keys in .gnutls/known_hosts
3216[23:02:00] <tw> I want to use local. I'm using mdns.
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3218[23:02:06] <tw> That's why I want to pin.
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3221[23:02:13] <teatime> tw: and then you have the same (better, really) level of trust in the validity of a given server's certificate, as if it had a "real" CA-issued cert.
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3223[23:02:28] <teatime> tw: oh sorry. I was going to say don't use .local because among other reasons it is reserved for mDNS :)
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3228[23:03:02] <teatime> tw: gnutls... is that the same as openssl? but, ok then, that answers your question... for any CLI app that uses gnutls.
3229[23:03:15] <teatime> tw: sounds like you know more than me about it though, so carry on.
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3231[23:03:50] <greycat> libssl and gnutls are alternative implementations of TLS/SSL
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3235[23:04:24] <greycat> just to add to the fun, there is also libressl from the OpenBSD project
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3239[23:04:56] <tw> and polar/mbedtls.
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3245[23:07:02] <teatime> greycat: which one is OpenSSL ?
3246[23:07:09] <greycat> libssl
3247[23:07:13] <teatime> thanks
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3250[23:07:21] <tw> libssl is openssl, but sometimes that's also libressl, depending on distribution.
3251[23:07:41] <greycat> apt-cache show libssl-dev ... "This package is part of the OpenSSL project's implementation ..."
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3253[23:08:05] <tw> In the context of #debian, you're right.
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3255[23:08:29] <magyar> hi, having issues with okular/poppler in jesssie. Some pdf files coming in blank
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3260[23:10:22] <themill> magyar: at this stage of the release cycle, the solution to problems in jessie is often "upgrade to stretch"
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3264[23:11:01] * greycat has many wheezy systems, and many stretch systems, and I think just one remaining jessie system
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3266[23:11:45] <magyar> themill: that is becoming more and more obvious lately
3267[23:12:18] <teatime> tw: if you careful run your own internal CA, that would seem to cover the need/purpose of pinning, yeah? like, if you fully trust it. lots more work, though, I suppose perhaps.
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3286[23:18:26] <mrmask87> hi
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3298[23:22:24] <tw> teatime: It's more nuanced. Any trusted CA can issue for any domain (ignoring Named Constraint extension, because only MS implements that to my knowledge). If you actually want to be sure, you have to jump through a lot of hoops to do multiple levels of validation. So without emptying the system-wide CA certificate store, key pinning would be a handy solution for me.
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3302[23:23:07] <tw> In my threat model, it'd probably work fine either way, I'd just prefer to do pinning.
3303[23:23:09] <teatime> tw: true. understood.
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