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2 [00:00:56] <themill> Which release of debian? Do you have a
particularly small amount of memory and a long sources.list?
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10 [00:04:48] <carvite> themill: yes, it's a vps with 128
MB RAM, Debian GNU/Linux stretch/sid and sources.list:
replaced-url
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14 [00:06:02] <themill> what a mess
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16 [00:06:10] <yoyo_> vnc account user admin pass password
81.185.135.65
17 [00:06:27] <teraflops> yoyo_: sure
18 [00:06:41] <yoyo_> yah
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23 [00:08:05] <[Saint]> Anyone have any clue as to why
initramfs-tools is having a cry about cryptsetup when attempting to
build an initramfs?
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26 [00:08:31] <themill> carvite: you really need to pick one
release and stick to it. there is no need for all that mess there
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28 [00:08:40] <[Saint]> I'm getting a warning that
mmcbkl*p* isn't defined in fstab, despite that definitely not
being the case.
29 [00:09:23] <themill> carvite: that is, if you're running
stretch, then only have the stretch line. Nothing else.
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33 [00:12:32] <carvite> themill: it's due to pinning, so I
can get packages from multiple repos accordingly to the priority set
or the needs
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35 [00:12:49] <themill> no, it's insane
36 [00:13:24] <themill> There is no sensible use case for mixing
wheezy, jessie, stretch, sid and experimental. (and then there are
the completely useless duplicates of stretch and testing)
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38 [00:15:02] <themill> To do so on a box with little memory is
even more crazy.
39 [00:15:21] <phogg> there are plenty of senseless reasons to
mix like that, but part of the deal is you never ask for help
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43 [00:18:23] <awal1> carvite: sid wtf? is that a special repo
sid what the fuck for block systemd? :D
44 [00:19:20] <themill> yes, it's a repo born out of
ranting
45 [00:19:37] <awal1> :D
46 [00:19:56] <themill> (and completely unsupportable by
#debian0
47 [00:19:58] <themill> )
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103 [00:49:09] <teraflops> phogg: hehe
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107 [00:49:21] <phogg> teraflops: ?
108 [00:49:36] <teraflops> phogg ⎸ there are plenty of senseless
reasons to mix like that, but part of the deal is you never ask for
help
109 [00:49:51] <phogg> oh yes
110 [00:50:05] <phogg> speaking from personal
hell^H^H^H^Hexperience, of course.
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124 [01:01:25] * [Saint] would not go so far as to say there is no
sensible reason for cross-repository pinning
125 [01:02:03] <[Saint]> I would go so far as to say that if you
did have a legitimate reason to do such things that you
wouldn't require someone to hold your hand through it on IRC,
though.
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130 [01:04:27] <teraflops> it might be one, once you are in sid
and start pining for fixing dependency hell, then you get caught a
vicious cycle :D
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135 [01:08:16] <careta> I'm having a weird problem: when
using a tftp server, I'm binding to ipv4 and v6. Then if I use
a client to connect to localhost via ipv6, I can download files, but
via ipv4 I cannot
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137 [01:08:21] <careta> any idea what might be going wrong?
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140 [01:08:59] <careta> it's not iptables
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143 [01:09:32] <maurer> Does Debian Stable currently support
installation to NVMe roots?
144 [01:09:44] <maurer> (I've just gotten a new laptop, and
am trying to decide how to configure it)
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146 [01:13:20] <missmbob> maurer: grub in jessie doesnt properly
recognise nvme devices. you might consider stretch installer since
stretch is in soft freeze
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148 [01:14:54] <mrrhq> Maybe he can backport GRUB from
jessie-backports, or install it from a more up-to-date live
environment.
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285 [02:52:44] <luffy> i have made an application with mono in c#
that outputs info continously to a log file, and trying to tail -f
just shows a few lines and keep waiting doing nothing. why is that?
286 [02:55:28] <centrx> luffy: maybe the file is getting deleted?
287 [02:55:48] <luffy> centrx: what do you mean?
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289 [02:55:59] <missmbob> there's nothing writing to the
file anymore, that's obvious.
290 [02:56:45] <centrx> luffy: that behavior can happen if the
file is deleted -- the file being tailed no longer exists, even if
another file is put in its place with the same name
291 [02:57:04] <luffy> missmbob: that's wrong. i'm
printing the same lines to stdout and the log file, and while the
stdout is still outputing things, tail -f doesn't show nothing
new
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294 [02:58:02] <missmbob> echo "foolio" >> file
from another terminal
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296 [02:58:05] <luffy> centrx: but i first start my console app,
the file gets created and then i do tail -f
297 [02:58:12] <missmbob> tail -f pick it up?
298 [02:58:20] <luffy> missmbob: ill try
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300 [02:59:27] <rozie> luffy: buffer maybe?
301 [02:59:35] <luffy> missmbob: yes it does! i tested it while
the app was running
302 [02:59:59] <luffy> rozie: i already tried flush() after write
call
303 [03:00:00] <missmbob> luffy: see? for some reason your
program stopped adding to the log file
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305 [03:00:50] <luffy> missmbob: mmmm interesting point
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309 [03:01:34] <luffy> missmbob: does tail -f has especific
behavior on how lines are notified?
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312 [03:02:26] <missmbob> luffy: i assume it uses some inotify
magic
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316 [03:04:12] <themill> tail just uses a sleep (default is 1s);
there's inotail if you want that
317 [03:04:51] <mactimes> luffy Check whether you're
_appending_ to the file or overwriting it.
318 [03:05:08] <themill> luffy: does tail -F work where tail -f
did not? (you'd have to restart your program too)
319 [03:05:20] <luffy> mactimes: i am sure appending
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321 [03:05:42] <luffy> themill: already tried too and didn't
work neather
322 [03:05:45] <mactimes> luffy Are you flushing content written
to the file?
323 [03:06:09] <luffy> mactimes: yes explicitly after each write
call
324 [03:06:13] <mactimes> luffy I.e; write+flush, write+flush
until write+close (which flushes).
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327 [03:06:50] <luffy> mactimes: exactly (excluding the closes,
cause my app never closes)
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330 [03:07:28] <n4dir> -f
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332 [03:07:54] <mactimes> luffy I'm not versed in c#, but
have you tried writing a simple program with timed writes (I mean,
just a loop with some sleep for a couple of seconds between writes)?
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334 [03:08:17] <luffy> mactimes: nope i didn't
335 [03:08:43] <mactimes> luffy That will clear any doubts if the
problem might be in your system or in your program logic, for some
reason.
336 [03:09:45] <mactimes> luffy At least, you'd discard any
_system_ unexpected behavior prior to analyzing what is going on
with the software itself.
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338 [03:10:36] <mactimes> luffy Have you checked for user rights,
etc.?
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340 [03:11:12] <mactimes> luffy If you're running the
program with a user and tail with another, your problem might be
there. Correct permissions and try again, if that's the case.
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344 [03:11:58] <themill> mactimes: do you repeatedly open?
345 [03:12:04] <themill> err luffy^^
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349 [03:12:43] <luffy> mactimes: permissions are no problem for
sure, im using just my regular user
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351 [03:13:31] <mactimes> luffy That's another thing, what
themill pointed. You don't want to keep opening and closing
your log file. Just open it. Write and flush. Close in the end.
352 [03:14:28] <mactimes> luffy Give that idea a try. Write a
clean, new program, with a counter and a sleep call. Write the
counter to the log file and track it with tail.
353 [03:15:02] <mactimes> luffy Should that work, you can clear
system check from your todo list.
354 [03:15:15] <luffy> mactimes: that's exactly what i just
did and worked
355 [03:15:17] <themill> what does lsof show?
356 [03:15:34] <luffy> mactimes: so i guess the problem is in my
other app
357 [03:15:49] <mactimes> luffy So, it's not a system issue.
You'd have to check what's going on in your application.
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359 [03:16:51] <themill> It sounds a lot like the file is deleted
and then recreated. Does the file grow? (check with ls)
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363 [03:17:48] <luffy> now i get it
364 [03:18:00] <luffy> the test program gave me a clue
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366 [03:18:10] <luffy> it didn't work at first
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369 [03:19:21] <luffy> but the problem was that i was calling
File.OpenWrite and it appended the text (i dont understand why it
didn't work :S)
370 [03:19:39] <luffy> i replaced it with File.Create and now it
works :D
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372 [03:20:48] <luffy> oooo now i get it
373 [03:21:21] <luffy> when i called File.OpenWrite it set the
cursor to the begining so it writed the same counter lines on top of
the old ones
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375 [03:21:33] <luffy> thats why it seemed like it was doing
nothing
376 [03:21:39] <luffy> lol thanks guys!
377 [03:22:16] <missmbob> there's always head :P
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458 [04:24:20] <crippledmonk> jessie net install worked great for
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469 [04:28:58] <OldParr> editing /etc/default/grub and
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502 [04:52:16] <brian__> Hi using testing branch but cannot
install wine, asking for wine32 but not installable
503 [04:52:45] <dvs> brian__, #debian-next on OFTC
504 [04:52:57] <brian__> ty
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507 [04:54:37] <brian__> not allowing me to join Debian next
508 [04:54:44] <themill> !debian-next
509 [04:54:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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512 [04:55:51] <brian__> !debian-next
513 [04:55:51] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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613 [06:08:26] <Reddisgirl> Unlike the demonic portrait that the
"allies" painted of him, Hitler was beloved by his people,
he wanted nothing but peace, and never ordered the extermination of
a single Jew. The largely Jewish-controlled mainstream media has
ever since painted an evil picture of Hitler and the Jew World Order
has even enacted laws in 16 European countries prohibiting
free-speech on the issues of Judaism, Hitler and the Holocaust.
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690 [07:06:17] <nmschulte> It seems I should install anacron if
I'm looking to use /etc/cron.daily to automate backups on a
laptop?
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694 [07:07:09] <WildPenguin> what is the difference between Yum
and Deb?
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699 [07:08:24] <nmschulte> WildPenguin: Yum is a package
management tool, like Apt -- Deb is the package format used on
Debian/derivates; Yum deals w/ RPM package format.
700 [07:08:50] <WildPenguin> ok
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708 [07:14:20] <taffipip> Adolf Hitler vs The Jew World Order
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754 [07:39:56] <TIMEMACHINEKIKE>
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782 [07:56:56] <nmschulte> /etc/passwd is generated, I understand
-- why / how does it contain user irc w/ uid 39?
783 [07:57:12] <nmschulte> And should I use it?
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785 [07:57:19] <nmschulte> s/should I/should I not/
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787 [07:58:22] <sleepyhead> nmschulte: probably created by your
operating system
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789 [07:58:30] <sleepyhead> nmschulte: maybe by some app you
installed
790 [07:58:37] <sleepyhead> 39 sounds like a system user
791 [07:58:39] <themill> see
/usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz
792 [07:59:00] <nmschulte> sleepyhead: It's from base-passwd
I see; it's on bare install.
793 [07:59:06] <themill> (it's in base-passwd so that it has
UID 39 on every single machine)
794 [07:59:06] <nmschulte> I guess I can use the users just fine.
:)
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796 [07:59:32] <themill> it's designed for ircds to use
797 [08:00:01] <sleepyhead> nmschulte: yeah you should create
your own
798 [08:00:29] <nmschulte> One more Q: I am running a full FS
backup on /root (w/ proper exclusions) via cron/anacron/cron, and
I'm wondering if I should change the user that it runs as to
e.g. the backup user from base-passwd -- the user needs to be able
to read all the FS as would root, but not to do anything else,
really.
799 [08:00:35] <nmschulte> sleepyhead: I should create my own?
800 [08:00:39] <nmschulte> I want to run an irc...
801 [08:00:47] <nmschulte> s/irc/ircd/
802 [08:00:53] <sleepyhead> nmschulte: in that case its ok
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804 [08:01:28] <nmschulte> and when I said /root above re:
backup, I meant "/"
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809 [08:02:24] <themill> Generally the backup software needs to
be able to read files that only root has access to which is somewhat
limiting for dropping privs
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812 [08:03:42] <nmschulte> I guess backup would make more sense
for e.g. individual software / data backups.
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816 [08:04:57] <nmschulte> I want to setup an interaction where,
the backup is user-dismissable for a short period, via e.g. X
client. Does such a tool exist for cron/script running integration?
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819 [08:05:42] <nmschulte> I may write a small daemon that allows
this, and provides proper interaction w/ anacron/cron (and flock?)
to queue a configured backup.
820 [08:05:51] <nmschulte> Would anyone find that useful?
821 [08:07:04] <themill> tests like "what network am I
connected to" and "am I on battery" would be good
too.
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827 [08:10:48] <nmschulte> themill: for remote backup, good idea.
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836 [08:13:17] <nmschulte> /usr/bin/nologin vs /bin/false? only
difference seems to be the printed message from nologin.
837 [08:13:19] <Drzacek> Hi
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840 [08:14:30] <Drzacek> I have installed debian to portable ssd
(intenso 1,8" 128GB), it took very long (~5h) and now the
system runs very slow.
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843 [08:15:54] <Drzacek> lsusb shows me that bcdUSB is 2.10, not
3.0 like it suppose to be, so I believe this is the cause. My
machine has usb 3.0 support. Could it be that debian 8.4 image
doesn't have the right drivers/modules for that?
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847 [08:16:43] <TomTomTosch> ,kernels
848 [08:16:45] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid:
4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.15-2); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.15-2);
jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.11-1~bpo8+1); jessie:
3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports:
3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy:
3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
849 [08:17:34] <TomTomTosch> Drzacek: trying the jessie-backports
kernel could be worth it.
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852 [08:18:31] <Drzacek> TomTomTosch: I'm upgrading to
stretch anyway (since yeterday)
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858 [08:19:14] <Drzacek> So it has to do with kernel/modules?
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893 [08:43:38] <newbsduser> hello guys, how can I view raid
controller / disk failure details on debian linux.. I tried to use
ipmitool but I couldn't see which disk is failed?
894 [08:43:59] <grawity> ...ipmitool?
895 [08:44:06] <grawity> since when does ipmi even deal with that
896 [08:44:10] <grawity> newbsduser: anyway, use smartctl
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898 [08:44:33] <preaction> afaik it doesn't. did your raid
vendor give you a cli? like megaraid or whatnot?
899 [08:44:34] <grawity> possibly with "-d
megaraid,<id>" for some controllers
900 [08:44:44] <grawity> I know that works with Dell at least
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904 [08:45:11] <preaction> we use the megaraid cli tool for that
purpose. it's kind of terrible, but it works
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923 [09:00:14] <Iota> Good morning, world!
924 [09:00:35] <merloon> morning
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935 [09:05:34] <slax0r> hello, I'm having issues with the
backports kernel and intel graphics driver for my i915, I can't
get my external monitors to work, xrandr produces no output, and
can't find any errors/warnings in dmesg, where else can I look?
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937 [09:06:10] <grawity> ...no output at all?
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939 [09:06:33] <grawity> as in it doesn't show the external
video connector, or as in it doesn't show any text
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943 [09:07:11] <slax0r> grawity: sorry, running just xrandr shows
monitors etc, but when I try to enable them I get no output as in no
errors
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946 [09:08:05] <slax0r> this is the output from
'xrandr':
replaced-url
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948 [09:08:31] <slax0r> and this is my attempt at config:
replaced-url
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956 [09:13:52] <slax0r> hm, if I go to tty1 then both screens
turn on, but as soon as I switch back to X, they both turn off
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958 [09:14:54] <grawity> well, if they show up in xrandr (with
modes and all), that means Xorg recognizes them
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960 [09:15:21] <grawity> but does --pos automatically enable the
output? don't you need --auto or --mode?
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970 [09:20:30] <slax0r> grawity: you are right, adding auto
helped, I have output
971 [09:20:31] <slax0r> thank you
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1028 [09:49:48] <realies> anyone with experience installing
pyldap?
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1043 [09:56:35] <kardborren> Are we sure there's somebody
reading email sent to wnpp@debian.org? Two days ago I sent a simple
question to that address and have yet to receive anything... (The
question was like "did you get my FRP for package X?")
1044 [09:57:08] <kardborren> s/FRP/RFP/
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1053 [10:03:11] <dab> Hello there, trying to install debian on my
macbook pro with lvm and dmcrypt, but stucked during partitioning. I
have efi boot partition, and installation see it as efi system part.
But i cant go further without boot partition, setup dont let me go
further, and i cant use efi partition as boot, cause setup dont let
it be fat fs. How i can pass this stage? Using testing net snapshot
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1055 [10:03:51] <bolt> dab: #debian-next on OFTC for all your
testing questions
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1065 [10:06:30] <jelly> dab: make a separate small partition for
/boot, the efi boot one is used for something else
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1069 [10:07:12] <dab> Its wrong way, i dont need separate
partition with other linuxes
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1078 [10:09:51] <jelly> dab: then use other linuxes, or file an
installation report and explain the partition setup that works well
with those other systems
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1082 [10:10:44] <dab> Ok, i have separate boot/efi and encrypted
root, thats it. And its working
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1084 [10:10:53] <jelly> dab:
replaced-url
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1088 [10:12:26] <WildPenguin> what is different in Debian as
compared to Fedora? As a beginner, I wanted to know.
1089 [10:12:32] <dab> Its nice way to answer, appreciate it. Lol.
Similair setup working for arch for example. Osx boot efi partition
and encrypted root.
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1092 [10:13:05] <Drzacek> can dist-upgrade be paused (after
download phase) and safely resumed? Can it show some kind of
progress bar or at least % done?
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1095 [10:13:53] <WildPenguin> are the commands different for
Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora?
1096 [10:14:09] <WildPenguin> or are they same for all these
distros?
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1099 [10:14:57] <AndreasLutro> when creating a debian package
using dpkg-buildpackage, is there a way to override the version
number, to not read it from debian/changelog?
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1112 [10:20:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> doesn't man
dpkg-buildpackage say?
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1114 [10:21:40] <AndreasLutro> not really
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1322 [10:37:52] <themill> AndreasLutro: no, the version is only in
the changelog. There is only one place for it just as there should
be.
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1408 [10:39:04] <AndreasLutro> thought so, thanks themill
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1430 [10:40:31] <themill> AndreasLutro: you can add a changelog
entry automagically using dch or with sbuild if you need to
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1452 [10:42:29] <AndreasLutro> themill: yeah I'll consider
different options. I need to maintain a package for 2 different
versions of debian and was hoping to get away with only 1 changelog
but different version numbers
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1476 [10:44:34] <themill> AndreasLutro: dch --local ~foo8+
--distribution foo "* Rebuild for foo distribution"
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1501 [10:48:51] <jpinx> I've got an issue with an install of
dicomscope using aptitude on the cl. It's throwing an error
"Err
replaced-url
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1505 [10:49:19] <jpinx> anyone got any clues please?
1506 [10:49:24] <jelly> jpinx: even after rerunning apt-get
update?
1507 [10:49:47] <themill> jpinx: that version doesn't exist
any more
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1510 [10:50:36] <jpinx> jelly -- hang on ;)
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1512 [10:51:11] * jpinx hasn't installed anything new for a long
while
1513 [10:51:28] <jelly> you don't really love me ♪
1514 [10:51:29] <disposable2> what's the point of having 2
default gateways (one with metric 1 and one with metric 10) if, when
the "metric 1" goes down, my machine doesn't
automagically switch to the other one.
1515 [10:51:53] <jelly> disposable2: it's a silly
configuration, and Linux lets you shoot yourself in the foot
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1519 [10:53:29] <quitisomes> hello good morning everybody
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1521 [10:53:48] <quitisomes> can someone tell me what sotfware use
for streaming video in debian???
1522 [10:53:57] <disposable2> well, i can't have 2 gateways
with the same metric and having 2 with different metric seems to be
pointless. is there a way to have 2 gateways configured without
having to set up anything on the gateways? (no vrrp/hsrp/glbp/garp)
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1535 [10:59:30] <jelly> disposable2: I don't know enough to
decidedly say "no", but _something_ has to figure out one
gw is down
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1537 [10:59:54] <jelly> the kernel won't do it, as you say,
automagically
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1539 [11:00:13] <jelly> disposable2: best ask in #netfilter
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1543 [11:01:24] <disposable2> jelly: thanks. i didn't know
#netfilter existed
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1559 [11:08:43] <_Nox> Oi
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1561 [11:09:01] <aodai> Hey
1562 [11:09:32] <_Nox> hey aodai
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1564 [11:09:53] <aodai> What's up?
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1568 [11:11:05] <smojphace> I know this isn't debian, but
Raspbian kernel update overwrites the running kernels
/lib/modules/x.x.x dir on update - I want to do update/installs then
some configuration that requires loading kernel modules - do I risk
just update && install (no upgrade) then config then upgrade
- or do I duplicate /lib/modules/x.x.x, upgrade, then mv them back
so I can do my config before rebooting?
1569 [11:11:26] <_Nox> not bad
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1572 [11:11:40] <_Nox> You?
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1574 [11:12:30] <smojphace> or something else, including none of
these things lol?
1575 [11:12:34] <jelly> smojphace: ask in #raspbian please
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1579 [11:13:49] <smojphace> jelly: I have done, no answer so far
:/ Thought I'd ask for general advice here.. sorry for the
off-topic!
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1601 [11:31:05] <ap0thic> open ##programming
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1619 [11:41:07] <Drzacek> smojphace: you may have more luck in
#raspberrypi
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1628 [11:46:25] <smojphace> Drzacek: Cheers, someone in #debian
just made the extremely sensible suggestion that I load the modules
I will need before dist-upgrading!
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1630 [11:47:44] <jpinx> jelly: updating is a really neat move :)
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1636 [11:50:22] <M4GNV5> heyho, so i hadnt touched my stretch
laptop over christmas now as i updated it yesterday i was suprised
because suddendly the acceleration sensor was actually detected and
used to rotate the screen. However the problem is its incorrect,
when i hold it "normal" it rotates it "left" and
when i hold it "left" it rotates the screen
"normal" where left and normal are the ones xrandr accepts
with --rotate. Is there a way to fix that issue?
1637 [11:50:22] <M4GNV5> currently im just locking the rotation
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1641 [11:52:15] <M4GNV5> or should i rather ask that in a gnome
related channel?
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1643 [11:53:54] <Drzacek> smojphace: makes sense
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1645 [11:55:06] <HaMsTeRs> hey guys, I have a super noob question
1646 [11:55:22] <HaMsTeRs> what is the quickest way to send a file
across from Windows to Linnux?
1647 [11:55:40] <NoxiousPloK> HaMsTeRs: winscp ?
1648 [11:55:49] <NoxiousPloK> its very easy
1649 [11:55:52] <NoxiousPloK> connects over SSH
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1651 [11:56:04] <NoxiousPloK>
replaced-url
1652 [11:56:26] <M4GNV5> the question is if he has an ssh server
on the linux machine though
1653 [11:56:47] <NoxiousPloK> yep
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1656 [11:56:56] <NoxiousPloK> but thats why you have a
conversation
1657 [11:57:11] <HaMsTeRs> hm, any other quickier way?
1658 [11:57:17] <HaMsTeRs> like right click and share a folder?
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1660 [11:57:52] <HaMsTeRs> to allow everyone access from Windows..
and then smb:\\ (like in mac) to access the windows share folder?
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1662 [11:58:03] <NoxiousPloK> install Samba
1663 [11:58:26] <M4GNV5> afaik nautilus has samba support?
1664 [11:58:27] <Drzacek> Like, on the same machine (dual boot) or
over lan? If on network, then samba
1665 [11:58:28] <petn-randall> HaMsTeRs: Linux clients can cope
with SMB if they have the right packages installed.
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1667 [11:58:36] <M4GNV5> and afaik its installed my default?
1668 [11:59:02] <NoxiousPloK> the question is if he has nautilus
on the linux machine though
1669 [11:59:51] <M4GNV5> Drzacek, if its the same machine then
just access the hard drive, if its over the network then share a
folder under windows and put stuff in there using the file browser
1670 [11:59:56] <M4GNV5> that should be fairly easy
1671 [11:59:57] <HaMsTeRs> smb:// :D is working
1672 [12:00:17] <HaMsTeRs> from file manager
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1699 [12:16:32] <unborn> HaMsTeRs: the quickest way? I use apache
on my awesome debian, so basically to any device I would just do
replaced-url
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1701 [12:17:19] <HaMsTeRs> aw, but don't like to run any
services (daemon) on my machine
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1703 [12:17:27] <HaMsTeRs> as it's limited of resource
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1706 [12:20:47] <unborn> no fuss no mess.. I did samba as well but
- you know.. chromebook, android phones etc.. instead of installing
and some stuff on all devices I just used plain good old fashion...
apache on awesome debian.. so simple. apache configuration took less
then 15 seconds.
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1711 [12:23:09] <unborn> ah I see.. limited resources - well..
apache can run and perform very well on rp v 1.. if you have lower
resources than that then samba (which is service or daemon as you
call it) should not run there... hmm...
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1715 [12:24:27] <unborn> HaMsTeRs: ^^^
1716 [12:24:44] <M4GNV5> HaMsTeRs, what system are you using?
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1734 [12:35:26] <HaMsTeRs> M4GNV5, Debian
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1738 [12:37:09] <unborn> M4GNV5: I just missed the point..(as I do
not use windows os at all) he was asking to share from windows to
linux.. not from linux to any device.. however he should be very
fine to run some xamp crap on windows machine to share folders
anywhere.. it takes less resources then samba if you do hd stream to
3 machines at the same time from different folders and downloading
70 files to other 15 machines (files bigger then 1 gig)..
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1744 [12:39:19] <unborn> HaMsTeRs: if samba worked for you, stay
with it ;)
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1751 [12:41:58] <unborn> M4GNV5: <HaMsTeRs> what is the
quickest way to send a file across from Windows to Linnux?
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1753 [12:42:09] <drzacek> Just exactly how bad would it be to
abort dist-upgrade and restart?
1754 [12:42:14] <unborn> M4GNV5: thats what I missed :)
1755 [12:42:22] <M4GNV5> drzacek, not bad
1756 [12:42:25] <M4GNV5> just redo it
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1759 [12:42:58] <M4GNV5> sometimes it tells you do run some dpkg
command because you aborted during configuration
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1762 [12:43:46] <HaMsTeRs> :)
1763 [12:44:30] <drzacek> So simply ctrl+c it, right?
1764 [12:45:15] <M4GNV5> yeah
1765 [12:45:19] <drzacek> I should be able to resume it instantly
with calling apt-get dist-upgrade again?
1766 [12:45:30] <drzacek> what about those packages that vere
already installed?
1767 [12:45:54] <teraflops> drzacek: depending on the h
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1769 [12:46:26] <teraflops> stage you abort it. it may end in
disaster too
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1771 [12:46:54] <drzacek> :(
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1776 [12:48:14] <teraflops> so from easily fixable to fucking
disaster
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1778 [12:49:18] <teraflops> drzacek: if you are fine fixing things
from a rescue image (worse scenario) you're fine
1779 [12:49:19] <unborn> :D
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1782 [12:49:41] <teraflops> worst^
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1784 [12:50:27] <jelly> drzacek: after stopping or killing
apt/aptitude, probably first do "dpkg --configure -a" and
"apt-get/apt/aptitude -f install" before running the
actual command again
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1791 [12:52:33] <M4GNV5> jelly, actually apt-get tells you to do
that when necessary
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1793 [12:52:50] <jelly> yes it does
1794 [12:52:57] <jelly> didn't used to
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1796 [12:53:08] <M4GNV5> ahhh apt-get tells me what to do!! its
controlling me :O
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1801 [12:54:05] <jelly> packages and their scripts are supposed to
be made in such a way to prevent a disaster when an installation is
stopped at any point
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1806 [12:55:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> pity the US election wasn't
packaged properly, then
1807 [12:56:02] <jelly> !slap CutMeOwnThroat
1808 [12:56:02] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across
CutMeOwnThroat's face
1809 [12:56:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> ey!
1810 [12:56:31] <teraflops> hmm sounds about right. I was thinking
in something like killing it while installing a new kernel or
generating the initranfs
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1815 [12:57:28] <drzacek> ok, looks like I was able to abort it
and restart it without reboot now (got my progress bar working), now
question is, if I can reboot to newer kernel that was installed
during this upgrade and then continue with the rest
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1819 [12:58:24] <unborn> CutMeOwnThroat: what is your point here
in this channel?
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1821 [12:59:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> you should ask offtopic questions
like that in -offtopic ^ ^
1822 [12:59:37] <drzacek> well, one way to find out, wish me luck
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1824 [12:59:45] <unborn> CutMeOwnThroat: very well.. go back to
that channel :) - thanks
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1888 [13:28:57] <mezod> hi guys, could someone help me install gcc
4.8 on a debian 6.0.6 squeeze? is it a good idea at all?
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1891 [13:31:18] <jelly> mezod: you'll have to build it
manually, attempting to install packages from a newer release will
result in pain
1892 [13:31:29] <jelly> mezod: why do you need it?
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1895 [13:31:52] <mezod> i'm trying to install a node package
called sharp that need gcc 4.8
1896 [13:32:02] <mezod> and squeeze ships with 4.4
1897 [13:32:30] <mezod> needs*
1898 [13:32:53] <jelly> yeah, forget about it
1899 [13:32:56] <boxrick1> Can anyone think why this error may be
occuring in my pre-seed?
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1900 [13:33:08] <boxrick1> Swapping around the drives appears to
make no difference
1901 [13:33:34] <boxrick1> Some odd MDADM based segfault
1902 [13:33:34] <jelly> mezod: squeeze is not supported any more
in any way, btw
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1904 [13:33:38] <jelly> ,v gcc-4.8
1905 [13:33:39] <judd> Package: gcc-4.8 on amd64 -- jessie:
4.8.4-1
1906 [13:33:43] <jelly> ,v gcc-4.7
1907 [13:33:44] <judd> Package: gcc-4.7 on amd64 -- wheezy:
4.7.2-5
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1911 [13:34:34] <mezod> jelly: yeah I know it's not supported
:/
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1923 [13:38:23] <mezod> jelly:
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1926 [13:39:17] <bittin> Updating Ubuntu and Debian at work now :)
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1929 [13:40:24] <jelly> mezod: I've already given my opinion
of two different possible methods mentioned there. 1) build your own
-- sure, if you have to 2) install from jessie -- don't do
that, you'll break your system
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1931 [13:41:38] <mezod> jelly: thanks
1932 [13:41:50] <jelly> mezod: it would be saner to pick a more
recent platform instead, like debian 8
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1938 [13:44:31] <mezod> jelly: yes, i'd need to reset a lot
of stuff that's been living in that server for a long time and
my sysadmin skills are obviously inexistant
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1942 [13:46:54] <Drzacek> upgrade to jessie?
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1950 [13:49:28] <jelly> Drzacek: you mean "upgrade to wheezy,
upgrade to jessie, spend a couple days unbreaking everything"
1951 [13:49:35] <jelly> no skipping steps
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1957 [13:53:43] <mezod> yeah doesn't sound like a good idea
:p
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1964 [13:55:12] <Drzacek> jelly, my bad, didn't knew that it
has to be done like that
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1966 [13:56:21] <boxrick1> Guys is there any way to use wipefs in
the pre-seed since the package doesn't exist?
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1970 [13:58:02] <UukGoblin> hello, where can I find a chrootable
debian image for aarch64 please?
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1972 [13:58:17] <UukGoblin> been googling for a while without much
success
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1976 [13:59:57] <n0nada> Im a thinking correct now? 0 16 * * 0
<-- Every sunday at 16:00?
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1982 [14:01:24] <warbaque_> n0nada: yes
1983 [14:01:33] <n0nada> thanks warbaque_
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1985 [14:01:58] <themill> UukGoblin: you'd make your own
using debootstrap and include whatever packages in it you wanted
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1994 [14:07:26] <UukGoblin> themill, I have no debian machine
handy; I have debootstrap on an amd64, and it produced something
half-working
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1996 [14:07:47] <UukGoblin> I think multistrap is needed instead,
which I don't have
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2000 [14:08:29] <themill> debootstrap exists in non-debians and it
can make a working chroot for a different arch; if there's a
qemu-static for the combination it can finish it off
2001 [14:09:09] <themill> qemu-user-static:
/usr/bin/qemu-aarch64-static
2002 [14:09:31] <UukGoblin> yeah, ok, thanks
2003 [14:09:46] <UukGoblin> I'm looking into those paths but
just downloading a small image would make life 1 easier ;-)
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2006 [14:11:00] <themill> Debian doesn't do any images of
anything. (You'd not get around these problems to actually use
any image that was generated)
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2012 [14:12:17] <UukGoblin> ok, thanks
2013 [14:12:29] <UukGoblin> (I would, I wouldn't even need
debootstrap)
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2015 [14:13:22] <themill> running debootstrap is the easy step;
any actual use of the chroot then requires work
2016 [14:14:24] <UukGoblin> I have an android aarch64 machine
which can chroot into an image
2017 [14:14:45] <UukGoblin> it doesn't have debootstrap
though and I'm not sure it could work
2018 [14:14:55] <UukGoblin> lil'debi has one but it fails
very early
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2020 [14:15:21] <themill> debootstrap is only a shell script. If
you can chroot then you should be able to use it... SElinux may well
make your life hard though
2021 [14:15:48] <UukGoblin> hm
2022 [14:16:00] <UukGoblin> I'll see if that works, thanks!
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2049 [14:26:16] <UukGoblin> this android doesn't have ar, and
busybox doesn't provide it either
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2062 [14:29:31] <unborn> UukGoblin: hi, im sorry but this chan is
mainly for desktop users - means if you do bootup to your custom or
chrooted android device - there is not help - im sorry for this.
2063 [14:29:45] <unborn> UukGoblin: im just letting you know...
2064 [14:29:47] <themill> eh?
2065 [14:30:23] <unborn> and btw UukGoblin awesome debian have
busy box Build in :)
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2068 [14:31:17] * unborn desktop and servers..
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2075 [14:34:58] <UukGoblin> it's cool, thanks
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2138 [15:10:13] <learnerwind> Hi could someone help me no fix my
grub?
2139 [15:10:23] <petn-randall> !ask
2140 [15:10:23] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
2141 [15:10:33] <petn-randall> hi learnerwind, check dpkg's
message ^^^
2142 [15:11:07] <learnerwind> petn-randall: I saw this
2143 [15:11:10] <learnerwind> Thankyou
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2146 [15:12:56] <learnerwind> I installed windows 10 ( i needed it
so my coworker can run a program ). but windows 10 broke my boot. I
tryed chroot + 'grub-install /dev/sda'. And i got this:
Installing for i386-pc platform. grub-install: error: cannot find a
device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).
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2148 [15:13:26] <petn-randall> learnerwind: Ah, in that case you
have to bind mount a few dirs into your chroot.
2149 [15:13:37] <petn-randall> !fixmbr
2150 [15:13:37] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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2164 [15:19:12] <learnerwind> where is EFI?
2165 [15:19:40] <learnerwind> ps: sorry if it is too silly
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2174 [15:24:15] <learnerwind> petn-randall: it says to run:
'mount /boot/efi' but i get the error that there is no
such files on fstab
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2176 [15:24:50] <n4dir> you got EFI ?
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2178 [15:25:10] <learnerwind> n4dir: How do i know it?
2179 [15:25:12] <n4dir> if you got it, you know it.
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2181 [15:25:32] <learnerwind> So i do not got it
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2183 [15:26:01] <n4dir> imho, i never had a EFI system yet. I
would simply try the old way (what the bot says then: either
update-grub or grub-install /dev/whatever)
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2186 [15:27:31] <learnerwind> finished and no error reported.
Thank you n4dir and petn-randall
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2189 [15:27:53] <petn-randall> learnerwind: Glad I could help.
You're welcome!
2190 [15:28:00] <n4dir> fingers crossed that it will solve your
problem ... :-) good luck
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2193 [15:28:26] <learnerwind> n4dir: Yeah, rebooting it now!
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2213 [15:37:27] <phaseNi> Hello, is it possible to have
dpkg-buildpackage put the resulting files in ./ rather than ../?
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2215 [15:37:39] <phaseNi> (yes, I know that would be problematic)
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2271 [16:02:13] <sop_> yo
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2281 [16:05:15] <UukGoblin> ok, now this is a little strange...
I'm inside this not-fully-configured chroot (outside system is
android), I have the right nameserver set in /etc/resolv.conf,
I've installed wget and it can fetch things from the internet,
however apt-get complains about temporary failures while resolving
things like ftp.debian.org (while wget is totally fine)
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2283 [16:06:08] <missmbob> maybe apt is trying ipv6 dns and wget
is trying ipv4
2284 [16:06:15] <UukGoblin> ah, good point
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2291 [16:07:30] <UukGoblin> well, there's only an IPv4
nameserver (10.0.0.1) set up, and it fails as early as trying to
resolve it ("Temporary failure resolving
'ftp.debian.org'")
2292 [16:07:48] <UukGoblin> so it's not even getting an IPv6
response
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2306 [16:11:06] <Duser> sorry if this is a repeat, I don't
know if my last message to the channel went out. Here it is again:
2307 [16:11:12] <Duser> <Duser> I'm having a lot of
issues with my realtek wifi, rtl8723be According to this page,
replaced-url
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2316 [16:14:03] <missmbob> Duser: you want to set up
jessie-backports
replaced-url
2317 [16:14:51] <Duser> I am pretty sure I have that correctly set
up already based on some previous help someone gave me here.
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2319 [16:15:05] <missmbob> Duser: then apt-get -t jessie-backports
install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 (for amd/intel 64-bit)
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2322 [16:15:28] <missmbob> then reboot
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2324 [16:15:53] <Duser> ok, great! thanks for the help. I'll
give it a try.
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2329 [16:18:35] <sop_> can you help me to inject any web
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2336 [16:19:40] <teraflops> ._.
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2343 [16:25:48] <petn-randall> That's what you get when you
inject to many marijuanas!!11!!1one
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2346 [16:26:35] <Duser> what does that even mean? 'inject any
web'?
2347 [16:27:07] <petn-randall> Duser: Probably a Kali user asking
how to penetration test a website.
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2349 [16:27:57] <missmbob> they're worse than ubuntu users.
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2360 [16:32:16] <n4dir> and that sure ain't easy ...
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2382 [16:43:57] <joe__> hi if i uninstall apt can i install it
back again from the repository?
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2384 [16:45:41] <dexta> hmm not sure, at a quick guess rpm -ivh
?!?
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2387 [16:46:33] <missmbob> joe__: have you read what happens when
you try to uninstall apt? it warns you in no uncertain terms
"DONT if you dont know what you're doing"
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2390 [16:46:51] <joe__> oh ok
2391 [16:47:02] <czesmir>
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2396 [16:48:26] <n4dir> never did that. if apt is removed, is dpkg
still available? and would that work? i sure don't know
2397 [16:48:27] <n4dir> t
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2399 [16:48:51] <missmbob> yes you can still use dpkg
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2401 [16:49:00] <n4dir> to put it different: a low-level way to
install (imho that would be dpkg ...)
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2403 [16:49:11] <n4dir> ah, missmbob thanks for confirming. was
not sure
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2410 [16:50:00] <joe__> i added the mint reppo and now i get all
these warnings?
2411 [16:50:04] <n4dir> why one would type "YES, do as i
say" if one gets a big fat warning is still beyond me (assuming
one gets that warning ...). Ain't that easy to type it the
right way
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2413 [16:50:23] <missmbob> joe__: you just made your debian not
supportable in #debian
2414 [16:50:35] <n4dir> joe__: reinstall, if you added the mint
repo, and make sure you don't do that again.
2415 [16:50:36] <joe__> thats why i asked
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2417 [16:51:32] <missmbob> !tell joe__ about dont break debian
2418 [16:51:33] <joe__> cant i just remove the link and fix it?
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2422 [16:51:45] <missmbob> !tell joe__ about frankendebian
2423 [16:51:50] <TomTomTosch> how much did you install from the
mint repo?
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2425 [16:51:58] <TomTomTosch> and what?
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2427 [16:52:18] <TomTomTosch> paste any errors or warnings to
paste.debian.net
2428 [16:52:19] <n4dir> you can never be sure if you really fixed
it and in what problems you will run later (when you don't need
any trouble at all). imho the best is to reinstall
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2430 [16:52:42] <joe__> only apt-get install linuxmint-keyring
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2432 [16:52:59] <n4dir> oh. forget what i said.
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2438 [16:53:50] <TomTomTosch> joe__: i'd still like to see
the warnings you were talking about.
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2444 [16:54:53] <jhutchins> TomTomTosch: I would expect
conflicting packages/versions/dependencies. Probably best NOT to run
it again just to see.
2445 [16:55:41] <joe__>
replaced-url
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2450 [16:56:48] <missmbob> of course debian servers dont know what
parrot is
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2453 [16:57:22] <TomTomTosch> remove the mint repos too.
2454 [16:57:48] <missmbob> and then he probably wont have any
lines
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2456 [16:58:01] <joe__> ok ill try
2457 [16:58:12] <missmbob> !tell joe__ about jessie sources.list
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2459 [17:02:15] <joe__> i wanted to add like iwconfig iwlists how
do i get these safely then?
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2462 [17:03:10] <missmbob> they're already in debian.
iwconfig is in wireless-tools package (you have to be root or sudo
for iwconfig to be in your path)
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2471 [17:04:36] <joe__> no its iw this is a parrot derivativ
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2473 [17:05:09] <TomTomTosch> and this is why we don't give
support to debian based distributions.
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2475 [17:05:13] <veek> are there any working flash alternates for
linux - that don't crash and are somewhat secure
2476 [17:05:27] <TomTomTosch> jessie sources.list is probably
wrong for parrot.
2477 [17:05:30] <joe__> i added the deb reppos still apt couldnt
find it
2478 [17:05:44] <veek> i'm using 24.0
2479 [17:05:47] <jhutchins> joe__: Couldn't find what?
2480 [17:05:56] <missmbob> joe__: dont ask us for support if
it's not debian support
2481 [17:06:03] <joe__> iwconfig
2482 [17:06:07] <jhutchins> veek: Given that the protocol itself
is insecure and crash prone, no.
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2484 [17:06:19] <jhutchins> veek: Flash is available:
2485 [17:06:23] <jhutchins> !flash
2486 [17:06:25] <dpkg> Flash is frequently used to deliver
interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about
<gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or
<adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free
implementations.
replaced-url
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2490 [17:07:36] <joe__> its a debbian [.]
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2493 [17:08:08] <missmbob> !tell joe__ about based on debian
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2497 [17:09:24] <towo`> parrot is not debian, period!
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2501 [17:09:41] <joe__> i only installed the basic parrot as daily
driver cuz mint 18 was scetchy
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2504 [17:09:51] <towo`> joe__, so ask in your distro-irc or
install debian
2505 [17:10:07] <petn-randall> !parrot os
2506 [17:10:07] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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2516 [17:11:48] <joe__> blah blah blah support a few questions ffs
theres never annybody on parrot irc
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2521 [17:12:46] <joe__> dont be greedy with help im newuser
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2523 [17:13:01] <TomTomTosch> we don't know how to answer the
questions. parrot uses their own sources.
2524 [17:13:04] <towo`> then install debian and you get help
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2527 [17:13:15] <towo`> parrot is nothing for newbees
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2531 [17:15:33] <petn-randall> joe__: It's not our problem
your distros IRC channel is empty. It's the same as if
you're complaining to your dentist that the cancer medication
isn't working. They don't know the answer, and at that
point it just becomes weird for everyone if you insist on pressing
for answers.
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2539 [17:19:33] <n4dir> still weird someone not able to figure out
rather easy package-management questions wants to go for pentesting.
but that might be me ... (iow: first things first ).
2540 [17:19:51] <babilen> joe__: Please also keep in mind that
volunteers in #debian might offer their time and help in order to
help and support the Debian distribution. You are more than welcome
to install Debian, but if *you* decide to use a different
distribution you have to accept the fact that you can not use
#debian.
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2542 [17:20:25] <joe__> i diddnt install the penntest stuff
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2544 [17:20:53] <teraflops> ._.
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2556 [17:25:09] <n4dir> joe__: imho there are many things to keep
in mind when choosing a distribution. community, support and such
are part of it. I would reconsider if installing debian (or another
distro with a good community) isn't a better choice.
2557 [17:25:27] <joe__> i accidently errased my .mbr in a dualboot
win7/mint 17.3 so i got 18.1 but it was laggy so i installed parrot
and it said debbian so i came heather :)
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2559 [17:25:30] <n4dir> if you know such a distro well, you usualy
can easily make it do what distros based on them do ...
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2561 [17:27:05] <joe__> i totally dropped windows like a year aggo
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2576 [17:31:24] <dionysus69> wine programs sometimes freeze and I
have to force quit. but thats it, I have no clue on why its
happening. any ideas?
2577 [17:31:52] <dionysus69> if anyone gives me a hint on how I
could get the reason out of it, I could then try resolve it
2578 [17:32:00] <missmbob> dionysus69: #winehq will probably be
better
2579 [17:32:05] <dionysus69> but it happens sometimes every 2
minutes sometimes it doesnt for hours
2580 [17:32:20] <dionysus69> well I suspect debian and or gnome
2581 [17:32:29] <dionysus69> wine has no problem with the programs
I am running
2582 [17:32:43] <TomTomTosch> jessie-backports has a newer version
of wine.
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2584 [17:32:53] <dionysus69> i am on stretch
2585 [17:33:02] <dionysus69> but thats not the cause for
instability either
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2588 [17:34:01] <towo`> dionysus69, if it's not wine, what
you think is the cause for instability?
2589 [17:34:03] <dionysus69> I want to narrow it down to
something, its a memory seizure or something, just randomly freezes
2590 [17:34:14] <dionysus69> I suspect gnome mostly
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2592 [17:34:21] <towo`> then search in the logs
2593 [17:34:28] <dionysus69> where though
2594 [17:34:30] <dionysus69> dmsg?
2595 [17:34:38] <zykotick9> towo`: it's not wine or stretch!
it's something else! solar flares maybe.
2596 [17:34:47] <towo`> journalctl, dmesg, x-log
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2598 [17:35:12] <towo`> dionysus69, why should anyone know,
what's wrong on your site?
2599 [17:35:17] <dionysus69> whats this ? xhci_hcd 0000:00:14.0:
WARN Event TRB for slot 2 ep 4 with no TDs queued?
2600 [17:35:44] <towo`> that's a problem with usb3
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2602 [17:35:53] <dionysus69> towo`: i have pretty standard system.
and this is pretty unusual case because google doesnt offer anything
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2604 [17:36:05] <towo`> there is no standard syste,m arround!
2605 [17:36:07] <dionysus69> ye even that could be a problem
2606 [17:36:11] <dionysus69> one detail btw
2607 [17:36:29] <Duser> I'm not really seeing much on google
about this as it pertains to debian,: Possible missing firmware
/lib/firmware/radeon/, this is after a kernel upgrade.
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2610 [17:36:38] <dionysus69> I could recreate the problem with
freezing by plugging/unplugging flash drive, but now Its not even in
2611 [17:36:46] <dionysus69> atm i just have mouse in usb port
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2614 [17:37:45] <dionysus69> towo`: so what does it mean usb3
problem? my laptop has 2x usb 3.0 ports
2615 [17:38:03] <TomTomTosch> it means it's unrelated to your
wine problem.
2616 [17:38:05] <towo`> Duser, abspluztely normal
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2623 [17:38:37] <dionysus69> TomTomTosch: :D :)
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2628 [17:41:04] <dionysus69> whats this error ?
replaced-url
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2632 [17:43:00] <Duser> I looked at package firmware-linux-nonfree
but that appears to be up to date.
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2635 [17:43:43] <missmbob> Duser: you probably got
firmware-linux-nonfree from the main repos and not jessie-backports.
sudo apt -t jessie-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree
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2640 [17:44:47] <teraflops> dionysus69: usb wireless nic?
2641 [17:44:51] <towo`> the message is saying only, the driver
supports hardware, for which is no firmware released yet
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2643 [17:44:56] <towo`> propably
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2646 [17:45:25] <dionysus69> teraflops: no its just usb cable
mouse
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2648 [17:45:42] <dionysus69> teraflops: I have built in intel wifi
adapter its a laptop
2649 [17:46:42] <Duser> missmbob, I'm not seeing any adverse
effects from it. It appears to be the most recent package. I
didn't specify the backport parameter but I guess it must do a
check when an apt-get is executed.
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2651 [17:47:22] <Duser> specifically requesting as you suggest
gave the same message, that all was up to date
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2656 [17:48:29] <towo`> Duser, nothing will be installed from
backports automnatic
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2659 [17:49:39] <missmbob> Duser: output of dpkg -l
firmware-linux-nonfree ?
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2661 [17:49:41] <Duser> perhaps when it pulled in the kernel.
2662 [17:49:43] <towo`> apt-cache policy firmware-linux-nonfree
will tell you, if you have the most recent version
2663 [17:49:54] <towo`> Duser, no
2664 [17:50:04] <towo`> the kernel has no depend to that package
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2670 [17:51:52] <Duser> ii firmware-linux 0.43 all Binary firmware
for various drive
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2673 [17:52:19] <missmbob> Duser: so you didn't set up
jessie-backports properly like i gave you instructions to
2674 [17:52:31] <missmbob> Duser:
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2676 [17:53:15] <missmbob> ,v firmware-linux-nonfree
2677 [17:53:17] <judd> Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free:
20160824-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160824-1; sid/non-free:
20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2
2678 [17:53:21] <towo`> nothing would be installed atomatic from
backports
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2680 [17:53:44] <missmbob> i know. i already told him how to set
up backports and then to use -t jessie-backports
2681 [17:53:50] <missmbob> he's not following instructions
2682 [17:53:52] <towo`> so if he has installed the kernel from
backports, firmware would not come automagic from there
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2688 [17:56:40] <Duser> the backports is set up. That's how I
got the kernel. When I do an update it goes thru the backports as
well.
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2690 [17:57:06] <missmbob> Duser: did you add non-free to the
backports line? or just main?
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2693 [17:57:32] <Duser> oh, I'll check that. I don't
know if the non-free is currently set.
2694 [17:57:32] <SuperNull> hey guys, im trying to create an NTP
server that provides a pre-offsetted time due to a bug in a hardware
device we have .. has anyone done this with ntp ?
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2696 [17:57:44] <towo`> again, apt does not download any package
from backports, if you ton't say that to apt
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2699 [17:58:06] <towo`> s/ton't/don't
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2717 [18:04:54] <dionysus69> ok i found this error
org.gnome.Shell.desktop[2226]: Window manager warning: Window
0x4a0000d (World of W) sets an MWM hint indicating it isn't
resizable, but sets min size 1 x 1 and max size 2147483647 x
2147483647; this doesn't make much sense.
2718 [18:05:24] <dionysus69> all text is part of journalctl except
of "ok i found this error"
2719 [18:05:28] <jelly> SuperNull: so you want it to be correct
but with a static offset, and not just a local clock discipline?
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2723 [18:06:20] <Duser> I think it's up to date: apt-cache
policy firmware-linux-nonfree
2724 [18:06:20] <Duser> firmware-linux-nonfree:
2725 [18:06:20] <Duser> Installed: 0.43
2726 [18:06:20] <Duser> Candidate: 0.43
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2730 [18:06:55] <missmbob> Duser: jessie has 0.43.
jessie-backports has 20160824-1~bpo8+1
2731 [18:07:41] <Duser> so there is more?
2732 [18:07:46] <jelly> if you're using a bcakported kernel,
you need the matching firmware
2733 [18:07:50] <missmbob> yes
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2736 [18:08:42] <jelly> Duser: so which kernel are you using?
(what does «uname -r» say?)
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2740 [18:09:30] <Duser> its 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
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2743 [18:10:39] <jelly> Duser: and where did you get it from?
2744 [18:11:20] <jelly> Duser: pastebin the output of
"apt-cache policy linux-image-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
firmware-linux-nonfree" and just "apt-cache policy".
use
replaced-url
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2746 [18:11:41] <Duser> ok, it's upgrading the firmware now,
or at least some of it.
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2749 [18:13:39] <jelly> if you have other firmware-\* packages,
it's probably best to see they all get upgraded to bpo versions
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2757 [18:17:48] <Duser> akay, here are the results.
2758 [18:17:55] <Duser>
replaced-url
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2783 [18:23:03] <eurythmia> hi folks. I'm trying to run a
test for which I need IPv6 disabled on all network adapters. I have
a virtual machine up and running (uname -a: Linux osboxes
3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64
GNU/Linux) with a single bridged adapter. I have followed the
/etc/sysctl directions here (replaced-url
2784 [18:23:09] <eurythmia> still has an IPv6 address. Can someone
help me figure out what's going wrong here?
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2790 [18:24:18] <Dagger> eurythmia: `ip link set dev eth0 mtu
1200` should do the job temporarily (unless your test also requires
1500 MTU)
2791 [18:25:05] <eurythmia> Dagger: yeah; looks like the IPv6
address went away with that. Cool. *Why* does that work?
2792 [18:25:25] <Dagger> 1280 is the minimum MTU for v6
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2795 [18:26:38] <eurythmia> Dagger: neat. Thanks!
2796 [18:27:03] <Dagger> note that it doesn't readd the
link-local when you set the MTU back, which might be a mild
annoyance
2797 [18:27:14] <Dagger> but you can do that manually or reboot or
whatever if it's a problem
2798 [18:27:22] <eurythmia> should be fine for my puposes.
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2878 [19:02:23] <Duser> the kernel loading for 4.8 is quite messy,
when it first starts is giving a message: modprobe: found one token
expected two
2879 [19:02:30] <Duser> quite a number of times
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2882 [19:05:22] <Duser> google returns no results for that fault.
2883 [19:06:23] <Duser> I can't see that it affects anything,
at least not yet.
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2892 [19:11:14] <jelly> eurythmia: use the kernel boot parameter.
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2895 [19:11:36] <jelly> !noipv6
2896 [19:11:36] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the
loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line
option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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2907 [19:14:08] <awal1> debian
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2922 [19:23:20] <jhutchins> I'm used to seeing just three
lines in the grub editor when I've selected a menu item. Now
I'm seeing all kinds of conditional code, and it's not
clear where to add an option like that.
2923 [19:23:37] <jhutchins> Is this intended behavior (on jessie)?
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2932 [19:26:37] <SuperNull> jelly: sorry for delay... got called
into meeting. if i can source a clock from local, and provide it as
GMT -0 to devices i will be happy. I will simply change the offset
on the local clock to fake it.. the issue is we have a misbehaving
device that doubles the offset provided
2933 [19:26:44] <SuperNull> as EDT/EST changes for us it becomes a
problem
2934 [19:28:15] <jelly> SuperNull: then it's easy, just
remove the default servers from ntp.conf and put in something like
2935 [19:28:17] <jelly> server 127.127.1.0 # local clock
2936 [19:28:17] <jelly> fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10
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2941 [19:28:38] <jelly> now you have a different problem :-)
2942 [19:28:55] <lambda-lifter> I have a python script that broke,
and the root of the problem is what uname -p is specifying. On my
machine debian testing (no customizations) machine, it return
"unknown". Is that true for everyone on debian?
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2944 [19:30:11] <SuperNull> what is the new problem .. ?
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2946 [19:30:40] <jelly> SuperNull: said local clock is not
terribly precise and some server hardware has downright awful RTCs,
think 15 minutes a month fail
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2948 [19:31:04] <SuperNull> jelly sure, i can create a manual sync
that does the offset manually.. for purposes of not propagating the
correct time
2949 [19:31:10] <SuperNull> but that will work for me budday..
thanks
2950 [19:31:13] <bezaban> lambda-lifter: true for me on both a
dedicated host and vm
2951 [19:32:28] <bezaban> rhel and fedora return x86_64
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2954 [19:33:31] <bezaban> which in turn is displayed by
'uname -m'
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2956 [19:35:09] <xcvb> i was told in order to upgrade firefox i
needed to ad mozilla.debian.net jessie-backports to my sources.list.
then when i run apt-get update i get 404 errors
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2960 [19:35:50] <xcvb> im just trying to upgrade firefox. i have
v45 right now
2961 [19:36:13] <jelly> xcvb: you have 45.6.0 ESR?
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2963 [19:36:31] <xcvb> yes
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2965 [19:36:57] <jelly> and you want to switch to the release
branch (that is, the "firefox" package instead of
"firefox-esr")?
2966 [19:37:37] <jelly> xcvb: pastebin complete contents of your
/etc/apt/sources.list file, use
replaced-url
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2970 [19:38:14] <xcvb> jelly,
replaced-url
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2972 [19:38:52] <xcvb> im not sure if i want release or whatever,
im trying to get an addon that isnt available for 45. i saw someone
suggested to upgrade
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2979 [19:40:58] <lambda-lifter> [bezaban] Thanks for the info. So
now I know it's neither a bug on my machine nor in debian
python's platform.processor() call.
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3003 [19:55:43] <jelly> xcvb: go to
replaced-url
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3005 [19:56:06] <jelly> xcvb: then fix your sources.list line
accordingly
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3013 [19:57:41] <jelly> ("release" being the branch of
Firefox that Mozilla thinks is best for normal users)
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3015 [19:57:49] <Basilic> hello all I search a software to see 3D
PDF on debian?
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3020 [19:58:58] <towo`> acroread
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3022 [19:59:16] <Basilic> no opensource programme for this?
3023 [19:59:29] <towo`> afaik no other reader can oepn 3d pdf
propper
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3026 [19:59:49] <Basilic> thank towo`
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3031 [20:03:06] <RoyK> hrmf - dpkg --configure -a seems to be
stuck at 100% cpu - any ideas?
3032 [20:03:13] <RoyK> I've tried apt-get clean
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3039 [20:06:24] <zuiss1> i have some machines running debian
stable, which i am comfortable with. but on some others which need
newer versions of software, from what i have read it seems ubuntu
would be more secure and stable vs debian testing. since
ubuntu's releases new versions every 6 months and still has a
security team supporting it whereas debian stable has a security
team for stable only
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3041 [20:06:28] <zuiss1> am i right or missing something?
3042 [20:06:42] <xcvb> thanks jelly
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3065 [20:14:32] <rajoy> hi
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3067 [20:14:46] <rajoy> i am trying to record my screen but i am
not being able to do so
3068 [20:14:56] <rajoy> at the moment i have tried recordmydesktop
3069 [20:14:59] <rajoy> but it is not it
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3071 [20:15:13] <jelly> zuiss1: normal ubuntu releases are only
supported for 18 months, while debian and ubuntu lts have a longer
period (both 5 years, if you include debian's lts team)
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3073 [20:15:26] <rajoy> i want to record a certain window, nothing
more
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3076 [20:16:09] <jelly> zuiss1: so if you're comfortable
upgrading or reinstalling your OS every 6 months, normal ubuntu
might be fine for you
3077 [20:17:11] <rajoy> any idea?
3078 [20:17:16] <zuiss1> jelly: ok thanks
3079 [20:17:56] <zuiss1> i'll keep debian on the machines
that don't need the newer software and put ubuntu on the others
since 2 years is a bit long for me to wait for software updates
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3090 [20:25:09] <SuperNull> jelly: i got it to work but damn, it
requires a very explicit loopback ip .. da hell. just need to
confirm its lying to remote clients
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3099 [20:28:46] <nmschulte> How can I verify that cron / anacron
work as I expect? IIUC, anacron sets up a cron.hourly job which in
turn uses some heuristics to run cron.daily and related jobs as
close to the interval as possible. Does this work when I just
install cron and anacron? The anacron systemd unit / service / job
is inactive, but I've seen it active before.
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3107 [20:34:11] <jhutchins> zuiss1: What's happening in the
window you want to record?
3108 [20:34:24] <RoyK> hrmf - dpkg --configure -a seems to be
stuck at 100% cpu - any ideas?
3109 [20:34:27] <RoyK> I've tried apt-get clean
3110 [20:34:28] <jelly> nmschulte: you can uncomment cron.* entry
in /etc/rsyslog.conf and restart rsyslog; you can set up a cron job
that outputs something to stdout and see the result being sent to
user's mail
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3112 [20:35:12] <jelly> RoyK: is it precisely the dpkg process or
one of its children? strace it?
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3116 [20:37:17] <RoyK> interestingly, installing strace makes it
stick the same way :(
3117 [20:37:30] <kalipso> how can i uninstall kde if i installed
it with "aptitude install ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$"
wich is recommended in debian wiki? :)
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3121 [20:38:30] <jhutchins> !remove kde
3122 [20:38:30] <dpkg> To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove
kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use
'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what
you want (ask me about <purge>).
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3124 [20:39:22] <kalipso> jhutchins: ty
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3177 [20:54:42] <RoyK> fuck
3178 [20:54:52] <RoyK> this dokg process is just hanging
3179 [20:54:55] <RoyK> any ideas_
3180 [20:54:56] <RoyK> ?
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3184 [20:56:42] <nmschulte> jelly: thank you, trying both
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3209 [21:07:29] <nmschulte> jelly: ah, I have to configure anacron
to handle certain jobs, it doesn't automatically take over all
the scripts in .daily/weekly/monthly
3210 [21:07:33] <nmschulte> does that sound accurate?
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3221 [21:10:24] <jmd> Newbie question: Is there a way to get the
kernel to boot with the real network interface device names? Mine
get automatically set to generic ones like "eth0" and
"wlan0" .
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3236 [21:16:43] <mosasaur> I want to install a package from
testing, however not yet switch away from jessie. Are there
instructions somewhere?
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3238 [21:17:01] <n4dir1> yes. and they are very easy: don't
do it.
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3240 [21:17:19] <mosasaur> tx n4dir1
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3242 [21:17:45] <abrotman> mosasaur: which package?
3243 [21:17:46] <nmschulte> jmd: you may find this useful
replaced-url
3244 [21:17:47] <n4dir1> slow, mosasaur, i am not that fast. you
can backport them yourself, trying to find the correct boot message
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3246 [21:18:01] <mosasaur> abrotman: ntsf-3g
3247 [21:18:13] <abrotman> judd: versions ntfs-3g
3248 [21:18:14] <judd> Package: ntfs-3g on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1+deb7u2; wheezy-security:
1:2012.1.15AR.5-2.1+deb7u2; jessie-security:
1:2014.2.15AR.2-1+deb8u2; jessie: 1:2014.2.15AR.2-1+deb8u2; stretch:
1:2016.2.22AR.1-3; sid: 1:2016.2.22AR.1-3; experimental:
1:2016.2.22AR.2-1
3249 [21:18:23] <abrotman> dpkg: tell mosasaur about ssb
3250 [21:18:29] <abrotman> mosasaur: you can try to backport it
yourself
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3252 [21:18:46] <mosasaur> abrotman: compile it?
3253 [21:19:18] <abrotman> that's an option, yes
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3255 [21:20:03] <mosasaur> abrotman:
replaced-url
3256 [21:20:04] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
3257 [21:20:18] <jmd> nmschulte: Thanks.
3258 [21:20:22] <mosasaur> I'm afraid that isn't pain
free
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3261 [21:21:45] <abrotman> mosasaur: it's not awful, but your
call
3262 [21:22:12] <mosasaur> abrotman: OK thanks a lot
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3266 [21:24:31] <missmbob> libfuse does make that annoying.
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3278 [21:28:37] <n4dir1> why that?
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3281 [21:29:22] <missmbob> build-dep for ntffs-3g is libfuse-dev
2.9.3-16 and jessie has 2.9.3-15
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3286 [21:33:40] <n4dir1> and then building that too is no option?
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3288 [21:33:52] <mosasaur> indeed. dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet
build dependencies: libfuse-dev (>= 2.9.3-16)
3289 [21:34:14] <cafuego> It's jst a build script change,
edit debian/control and downgrade the requirement.
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3291 [21:34:32] <mosasaur> thanks cafuego
3292 [21:34:39] <cafuego> or tell dpkg-buildpckage to ignore the
depend.
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3294 [21:34:55] <cafuego> (if -15 is installed)
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3296 [21:35:28] <mosasaur> where is this debian/control
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3298 [21:35:31] <CuSn> is there a way to find
"meta-packages" for debian apt? Like the C development
toochain?
3299 [21:35:51] <cafuego> mosasaur: shouyld be in the current src
dir where you're building.
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3303 [21:36:36] <missmbob> ,i gcc
3304 [21:36:37] <judd> Package gcc (devel, optional) in
jessie/amd64: GNU C compiler. Version: 4:4.9.2-2; Size: 5.0k;
Installed: 42k
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3310 [21:37:10] <TomTomTosch> CuSn: what exactly are you looking
for? the apt package already bundles a bunch of tools.
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3313 [21:38:13] <jhutchins> ! build-essential
3314 [21:38:13] <dpkg> [build-essential] a package designed to
help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get
errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find
header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install
build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you
don't need this package. See also <qotd49>.
3315 [21:38:16] <CuSn> TomTomTosch: I'm looking to install a
complete C toolchain set, and for python and GTK+ as well
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3319 [21:38:48] <CuSn> jhutchins: gracias!
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3324 [21:39:47] <CuSn> jhutchins: are there other such
"grouped" packages?
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3336 [21:42:32] <asterismo_m> hi
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3338 [21:42:59] <CuSn> ! meta-packages
3339 [21:43:04] <asterismo_m> any ideas if TLS 1.3 will be
available in Debian 8 jessie?
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3344 [21:44:02] <missmbob> asterismo_m: after openssl 1.2
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3347 [21:44:55] <jhutchins> CuSn: Yes, there are, but I'm not
sure how you'd find them. aptitude search ~dmeta maybe?
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3349 [21:46:06] <asterismo_m> missmbob: openssp is version 1.0.1
in jessie, will it be updated?
3350 [21:46:10] <CuSn> jhutchins: found a page listing a small
number of them, clearly incomplete, here:
replaced-url
3351 [21:46:18] <CuSn> iwill try the search you suggested.
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3353 [21:46:25] <missmbob> asterismo_m: no
3354 [21:47:26] <CuSn> jhutchins: "apt-cache search
meta" 1,314 items listed. :-)
3355 [21:47:58] <asterismo_m> what version of openssl is in
testing?
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3357 [21:48:59] <at0m> ,v openssl
3358 [21:49:00] <judd> Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u1; jessie:
1.0.1t-1+deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5;
jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 1.0.2j-1~bpo8+1;
sid: 1.1.0c-2; stretch: 1.1.0c-2
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3363 [21:50:50] <SqrtOfPi> Does "chmod +x" add
executable bit for owner, group, others, all ?
3364 [21:51:11] <asterismo_m> so i wont have a chance to run tls
1.3 in jessie right? whuch version shoukd i install?
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3367 [21:51:53] <missmbob> use 1.0.1t from security unless you
have a reason to use 1.0.2j from jessie-backports
3368 [21:52:01] <at0m> SqrtOfPi: touch file: chmod +x file and
find out
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3370 [21:52:08] <cafuego> SqrtOfPi: touch foobar; chmod +x foobar;
ls -l foobar
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3372 [21:52:49] <SqrtOfPi> it seems to add executable for owner +
others
3373 [21:52:50] <SqrtOfPi> why?
3374 [21:53:17] <cafuego> SqrtOfPi: it adds it for everyone.
3375 [21:53:27] <at0m> SqrtOfPi: if other permissions deny read,
then it probably won't execute anyhow.
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3377 [21:53:45] <SqrtOfPi> -rwx---r-x 1 u87882669 ftpusers 0 Jan
10 21:53 foobar
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3379 [21:53:51] <SqrtOfPi> (after the chmod)
3380 [21:54:04] <cafuego> SqrtOfPi: do you have a weird umask?
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3382 [21:54:32] <SqrtOfPi> probably (shared hosting)
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3387 [21:56:39] <jhutchins> CuSn: I apparently don't
understand the syntax very well. Many of the metapackages have
"meta" in the description.
3388 [21:57:28] <greycat> Really? I can't think of any.
3389 [21:57:53] <jhutchins> greycat: Packages?
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3391 [21:58:00] <greycat> .. oh, in the description. Not in the
package name.
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3394 [21:58:50] <CuSn> jhutchins: strangely in the 1,300 hits,
most of them don't say mets in the reported description. Might
have "meta" in the other info, as in "part of
meta-package "xyz".
3395 [21:58:52] <greycat> But a lot of them do have
"task-" in the name. Or at least, they used to.
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3397 [21:58:56] <jhutchins> greycat: Right.
3398 [21:58:58] <CuSn> *mets->meta
3399 [21:59:16] <jhutchins> greycat: I think those are the ones
that work with tasksel.
3400 [21:59:46] <jhutchins> CuSn: RIght, so whatever the correct
way to do that is, it's not ~dmeta
3401 [21:59:58] <cafuego> SqrtOfPi: Yeah, if I set my uamsk to
0072 I get foobar: 0100604 [-rw----r-- ] -> 0100705 [-rwx---r-x ]
3402 [22:00:21] <greycat> 072 is not a sane umask
3403 [22:00:23] <CuSn> apt-cache search task returns 1,400 :-)
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3405 [22:00:38] <cafuego> greycat: Never claimed it was.
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3407 [22:01:09] <missmbob> no one is telling you to use apt-cache
search for this :P
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3415 [22:04:27] <asterismo_m> was the php mailer zero day fixed in
jessie?
3416 [22:04:37] <greycat> !dsa
3417 [22:04:37] <dpkg> [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see
replaced-url
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3425 [22:07:13] <Freenoodle> Hi, I just set up a Thinkpad SL510
with Debian Stretch, and whenever I execute certain actions, such as
writing a bootstick with Unetboot the X server suddenly terminates.
Strangely I see absolutely no output in the systemd journal. Does
anyone have suggestions what might be wrong here?
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3441 [22:08:04] <missmbob> "For the stable distribution
(jessie), this problem has been fixed in version
5.2.9+dfsg-2+deb8u3"
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3454 [22:08:56] <CuSn> missmbob: Note "Yes, there are, but
I'm not sure how you'd find them. aptitude search ~dmeta
maybe?" Is that substantively different from apt-cache search?
if it is, then i apologize for my lack of knowledge.
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3458 [22:09:07] <freesandman> Freenoodle: selinux?
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3467 [22:10:12] <greycat> apt-cache search will search for the
keyword(s) in any field of the package's metadata. I *think*
aptitude search ~d means "only search in the
'description' field"
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3475 [22:12:03] <asterismo_m> thanks greycat
3476 [22:12:31] <Freenoodle> Freenoodle, I don't think that
selinux is active in a vanilla installation, shouldn't I see
some related output in the syslog then?
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3485 [22:16:25] <n4dir1> asterismo_m: you could always use :
apt-cache search --names-only instead (assuming aptitude foo
doesn't work)
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3487 [22:16:27] <awal1> apt-cache --names-only search pkgname is
pretty more useful than aptitude search ~dpgkname if not looking for
libs also
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3493 [22:18:14] <freesandman> Freenoodle: try sestatus
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3495 [22:19:55] <teraflops> freesandman: debian does not do
selinux by default
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3500 [22:21:51] <freesandman> taraflops: so what?
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3504 [22:23:30] <teraflops> freesandman: why suggesting sestatus
then?
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3515 [22:26:06] <jhutchins> What we were looking for was
metapackages, so "meta" in the description. aptitude
search ~dmeta returned lots of extra entries that did not have
"meta" in the description, and I've noticed before
that it often doesn't filter as I would expect.
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3521 [22:27:43] <greycat> installing aptitude... "After this
operation, 20.4 MB of additional disk space will be used."
3522 [22:27:47] <greycat> sheesh
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3524 [22:28:59] <greycat> "For a complete list of the
possible state and action flags, see the section ?Accessing Package
Information? in the aptitude reference guide."
3525 [22:29:04] <freesandman> taraflops: what's your problem?
3526 [22:29:12] <greycat> um. what.
3527 [22:29:42] <greycat> So I can't figure out what search
~dmeta does by reading this MANUAL?
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3529 [22:30:03] <dess> hey. I ve installed debian on luks using
lvm system and now i want to create a second partition using windows
7( i need for a job and virtual box isnt suficient for my needs).
Will there be any compormise in my security since i ll propably need
to decrypt my encrypted partiotion before i can use grub bootloader
and boot to windows? furthermore is there any chance that i wont be
able recover bootloader after windows instalation?
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3531 [22:31:04] <greycat> And the MANUAL does not tell me where
this "aptitude reference guide" is.
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3533 [22:31:22] * n4dir1 knows well why he never had much interest in
aptitude ...
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3536 [22:32:31] <jhutchins> Good man pages are always such a
pleasure to find.
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3538 [22:32:35] <n4dir1> dess: from the top of my head: when
having encrypted, the /boot partition is not encrypted, hence there
is noting to decrypt to boot for example Windows
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3540 [22:33:05] <n4dir1> and last time i checked Windows will
overwrite grub (or mbr, or whatever), so yes, you will have to
repair (reinstall) grub
3541 [22:33:10] <jhutchins> greycat: I'll track it down if it
ever becomes important to me.
3542 [22:33:15] <n4dir1> which is quite a bit of fun, if you use
encryption ...
3543 [22:33:52] <n4dir1> short: no security problem, and yes, grub
problem (imho, of course)
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3545 [22:34:17] <dess> by fun you mean? is there any chance that i
ll have to format the whole disk again?
3546 [22:34:20] <greycat> /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README appears
to contain some information on these things, but I don't know
whether that's the "reference guide". It's
self-identifying as a "user's manual".
3547 [22:35:00] <n4dir1> dess: by "fun" i mean it is
slightly more difficult than without encryption. without is straight
forward, with is a bit of fiddling (for me, might be others are more
smart than i am)
3548 [22:35:28] <n4dir1> but no, no need to reformat the disk,
reinstall or anything like that. imho. just a dude from the
internet.
3549 [22:35:50] <dess> thx n4dirl btw check my disk partition
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3551 [22:35:51] <dess>
replaced-url
3552 [22:35:52] <jhutchins> greycat:
/usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html
3553 [22:36:02] <greycat> Is that different from the README?
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3556 [22:36:29] <greycat> They both say "aptitude user's
manual" in all lower case at the top.
3557 [22:36:31] <jhutchins> greycat: Yeah, looks pretty thorough.
3558 [22:36:52] <jhutchins> greycat: reference guide is chapter
three.
3559 [22:36:53] <teraflops> freesandman: sorry?
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3563 [22:37:46] <n4dir1> dess: i sure am not in lvm. sorry
3564 [22:38:35] <greycat> In case you get tired of installing and
removing packages, aptitude includes a version of the classic game
\u201cMinesweeper\u201d.
3565 [22:38:50] <greycat> ... wtf
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3568 [22:39:32] <dess> i was thinking that mabe lvm would ve more
chalenging . great...
3569 [22:39:40] <dess> *be
3570 [22:39:47] <abrotman> greycat: you must have that new fancy
version of Minesweeper
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3575 [22:41:02] <n4dir1> no super-cow powers but minesweeper
instead? why not
3576 [22:41:12] <greycat> Super cow powers are better.
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3592 [22:47:08] <Resilience> when the kernel routes, in which
order are routes listed with /sbin/route applied?
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3596 [22:48:25] <greycat> I would try very extremely hard to avoid
the situation where a given destination IP could possibly match
multiple routes (not counting "default" which is obviously
used last).
3597 [22:50:03] <Resilience> greycat, obviously both of them, but
this is not my situation, I am only writing down some notes for my
students and I would like to know of there is some order, or if
there sin't
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3599 [22:51:43] <greycat> Well, I don't have an exact answer.
If nobody else here does either, then try
networking or possibly linux.
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3606 [22:52:54] <Resilience> greycat, but default is always the
last oe for sure, right?
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3608 [22:53:09] <greycat> I'm pretty certain.
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3611 [22:53:33] <Resilience> greycat, thanks, and by the way why
channels with double #?
3612 [22:53:53] <greycat> It's a thing one of the Freenode
admins decided to do 10 years ago. Not everyone followed his
suggestion.
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3614 [22:54:13] <Resilience> greycat, ah, and what does it mean?
3615 [22:54:40] <greycat> The intent was that a single # channel
would be the "official" support for a specific free
software project of that name, and ## would be any unofficial
channels.
3616 [22:55:03] <greycat> Which breaks down completely when the
channel name is not the name of a free software project, like #c or
#sed.
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3619 [22:55:53] <Resilience> wouldn't it be easier to say
#whatever-official ?
3620 [22:56:10] <greycat> A good number of channel said "fuck
this, we aren't moving".
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3622 [22:56:34] <greycat> Thus you have #awk but ##sed just
because one of them moved and the other did not.
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3626 [22:57:08] <Resilience> but you type /join #whatever and the
server logs ou to ##whatever if it exists
3627 [22:57:21] <greycat> Only if a redirection has been set up on
the server.
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3630 [22:57:52] <freesandman> ok, thanks I will try to explain: I
have cut off magsafe (tm) plug
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3632 [22:58:09] <freesandman> shit sorry
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3634 [22:58:35] <Resilience> greycat, thanks for everything
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option for start the download from x time?
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ntfs-3g to sid did not solve the problem so I reverted it back to
jessie
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3708 [23:30:15] <mosasaur> sudo ntfsinfo -fm /dev/sdb2
3709 [23:30:27] <mosasaur> WARNING: Dirty volume mount was forced
by the 'force' mount option.
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3716 [23:32:18] <mtn> mosasaur: have you tried using ntfsfix?
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3719 [23:32:44] <mosasaur> mtn: yes. didn't work although it
claimed success
3720 [23:32:53] <missmbob> did you force -d?
3721 [23:33:11] <mosasaur> missmbob: not that I know of
3722 [23:33:17] <missmbob> then it wouldnt clear dirty
3723 [23:33:42] * mosasaur will read the manpage
3724 [23:33:53] <SpaceAce> any good CLI tools for browsing the
local network shares?
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3726 [23:34:47] <Its_all_turtles> helo
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3731 [23:37:48] <Resilience> SpaceAce, smbclient
3732 [23:38:29] <mosasaur> missmbob: it did clear the dirty flag,
but did not solve problem (cannot remove some dir)
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3734 [23:39:23] <missmbob> mosasaur: then you'll probably
need to run proper chkdsk on the volume. good luck with that
3735 [23:39:42] <mosasaur> thanks missmbob
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3737 [23:40:14] <missmbob> mosasaur: there are images out there of
windows "live"
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3742 [23:41:04] <mosasaur> missmbob: any chance of succesfully
reformatting it to ext(something) it's a 4TB portable USB
3743 [23:41:50] <mosasaur> if so I'll just copy the files to
somewhere else temporarily
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3745 [23:41:55] <missmbob> mosasaur: sure.
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