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23 [00:10:27] <laertus> anyone know of a command-line utility
that can turn rows to columns and columns to rows?
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27 [00:11:01] <Sveta> would be useful to know the input data
file format
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38 [00:17:23] <laertus> datamash.. that's what i was
looking for
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41 [00:18:22] <_aeris_> hello #debian !
42 [00:18:33] <_aeris_> i have a weird debian packaging question
:D
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46 [00:19:17] <_aeris_> there is a bug in go which create crash
when compiling with qemu
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49 [00:19:34] <_aeris_> there is a patch for this, but go
requires go to build the debian package
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51 [00:20:14] <mmp> Hello; with a recent (~few months) update,
my debian unstable setup started to not recognize my second (and
USB) hard drive partitions on reboot
52 [00:20:21] <_aeris_> so i'm not able to compile a
working armhf golang-go with the patch with pbuilder, because no
working golang-go armhf :D
53 [00:20:37] <_aeris_> is there any solution to break the loop
?
54 [00:21:05] <mmp> the second hard drive is in fstab, but
systemd fails waiting for the device; if I get dropped to the
prompt, I can see /dev/sdb, but not /dev/sdb1. If I run e.g. fstab
/dev/sdb (basically anything that triggers partition table reread),
everything starts to work
55 [00:22:37] <mmp> kernel is 4.12.0-2
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58 [00:23:52] <mmp> even with 'nofail', the partitions
are not being recognized later on
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74 [00:31:51] <Andocromn> does anyone have knowledge on systemd?
I'm trying to modify some systemd unit files, most of the
systemd documentation refers to /usr/lib/systemd/system/ however
this directory doesn't exist on my system
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84 [00:36:34] <acperkins> Andocromn: according to
systemd.unit(5) it's /lib/systemd/system
85 [00:37:10] <Andocromn> do you know is that something debian
speific?
86 [00:38:11] <dondelelcaro> Andocromn: it's /lib because
it has to be present in early boot before /usr is moutned
87 [00:38:22] <dondelelcaro> Andocromn: other systems have
merged / and /usr, so it can be in /usr
88 [00:38:47] <Andocromn> ahh, understood. thanks for the info
89 [00:38:54] <dondelelcaro> Andocromn: but in any event, you
shouldn't need to worry about where the actual location is; you
can just do systemctl edit foo; or similar
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111 [00:48:13] <Andocromn> thanks looks like that workd
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115 [00:48:57] <foul_owl> Why no info for chromium here?
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197 [01:32:15] <mrchaotica> Hi, is the AMD RX Vega 56 supported
in Debian by any means short of compiling a custom kernel yet?
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288 [02:39:48] <Guest84860> bonjour svp j'aimerais savoir
comment désintaller un packet sur debian!
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336 [03:05:14] <kishmesh> hi. i'm trying to use the openvpn
client with debian 9.1 ... wondering if there is an
"update-resolv" script that handles pushed DNS settings?
couldn't really find anything on the net.
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385 [03:56:58] <outcast> frogger thing
386 [03:57:21] * outcast greets all
387 [03:58:24] <outcast> Stretch dumps back to login launching
app. Any app. Anyone know Y?
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389 [03:59:41] <outcast> launches app, 200 ms delay then bkgd
goes black. Alt-F2 and back and am at login.
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392 [04:00:05] <outcast> any one got directions to the
interstate?
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395 [04:02:07] <tw> outcast: check ~/.xsession-errors
396 [04:02:25] <outcast> will chk
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415 [04:23:15] <linoobx> When I perform apt-get install nasm it
gives me version 2.12.01. However, I am trying to compile mpv, which
requires nasm minimum nasm 2.13 for x264 support. Someone at #mpv
suggested that I, "install 2.13 from the debian testing
repos." Is there anyone here who could explain to a total
Linux-noob how to accomplish this?
416 [04:24:37] <dvs> !tell linoobx about ssb
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419 [04:24:48] <linoobx> The same person who told me that
recommended that I come here for assistance with that.
420 [04:24:52] <outcast> tw ? still around?
421 [04:25:51] <outcast> I've got some kernel g-shell errs
and and some g-task errors in messages log
422 [04:25:59] <joebobjoe> Help. I cannot find manpages-dev files
on my system. aptitude says it is installed, but dpkg says it
isn't (tried a dpkg -L devpages-man)
423 [04:26:22] <joebobjoe> I had to reset the system when
aptitude was running, did I corrupt something
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425 [04:27:20] <outcast> joebobjoe: probably - broken packages
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430 [04:28:28] <joebobjoe> apt or whatever told me to run dpkg
--configure -a and it did finish the work it was doing before the
reset
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433 [04:30:29] <linoobx> dvs: ssb = Site-specific browser ?
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435 [04:31:11] <dvs> linoobx, dpkg sent you something
436 [04:31:39] <linoobx> ah, ok.
437 [04:31:48] <outcast> joebobjoe: Should be good. U did
apt-update first right?
438 [04:32:44] <joebobjoe> outcast: um
439 [04:33:24] <outcast> :-X
440 [04:33:27] <linoobx> "check for a backport on
<debian-backports>." ...um, how do I do that?
441 [04:34:17] <dvs> linoobx, /msg dpkg debian-bakports
442 [04:34:36] <outcast> anyone here have stretch, amd64 with a
disabled CPU, NVIDIA dsp running w/o problems?
443 [04:34:40] <dvs> linoobx, /msg dpkg debian-backports
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445 [04:35:07] <linoobx> linoobx debian-bakports dpkg I
don't know, could you explain it?
446 [04:35:19] <dvs> linoobx, /msg dpkg debian-backports
447 [04:35:20] <linoobx> o_O
448 [04:35:32] <outcast> one of the cores disabled on the CPU
that is that runs?
449 [04:35:36] <joebobjoe> outcast: ok I'm dumb. didn't
realize there was no man-page named linux
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451 [04:36:35] <joebobjoe> dpkg-query -L manpages-dev still says
it is not installed, even though apt says it is
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459 [04:45:09] <outcast> joebobjoe: was it man -a intro what you
wanted
460 [04:45:18] <outcast> man linux?
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464 [04:46:27] <outcast> anyone here have stretch, amd64 with one
disabled core and NVIDIA dsply running w/o problems?
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466 [04:47:23] <joebobjoe> outcast: thanks. I'm trying to
find out where the documentation for <linux/limits.h> is
467 [04:48:40] <linoobx> " 1) Add a deb-src line for sid
(not a deb line!); " " You can get apt to download source
packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A
suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src
replaced-url
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473 [04:53:01] <linoobx_> so I should add a line to source.list
as: deb-src
replaced-url
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476 [04:53:06] <linoobx_> or some other URL
477 [04:53:10] <linoobx_> ?
478 [04:53:44] <linoobx_> debian backports did not have nasm
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486 [04:55:37] <linoobx_> Or the line I add to sources.list be:
deb
replaced-url
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489 [04:55:55] <linoobx_> As it says on:
replaced-url
490 [04:56:14] <linoobx_> The answer on that post is from 2013
though
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492 [04:56:27] <linoobx_> So I dont know if deb has been changed
to deb-src
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495 [04:57:34] <linoobx_> and if
replaced-url
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497 [04:58:21] <linoobx_> and do i do "sid main contrib
non-free" after the URL, or do I put like in the stackexchange
answer, "testing non-free contrib main" ?
498 [04:58:23] <outcast> joebobjoe: u thot of looking at
/usr/include/linux/limits.h ?
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503 [04:59:19] <linoobx_> The line that dpkg tells me to add says
nothing about testing, so I'm not sure if that is just a dummy
example....
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524 [05:12:16] <veek> where's the core file saved on debian?
525 [05:12:27] <veek> virtualbox just core dumped
526 [05:13:40] <veek> darn ulimit -c 0
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537 [05:23:23] <RoyK> veek: if it's the oracle vbox, it
won't matter much, since the code is closed
538 [05:23:41] <RoyK> veek: kvm works well, thoug ;)
539 [05:23:45] <RoyK> veek: kvm works well, thougg ;)
540 [05:23:50] <RoyK> veek: kvm works well, though ;)
541 [05:23:54] <veek> RoyK, oh jeeze hmm.. yeah time i shifted to
kvm
542 [05:24:11] <veek> thought vbox was open src
543 [05:24:15] <veek> thanks
544 [05:24:20] <RoyK> I've been using kvm for years - it
just works
545 [05:24:49] <RoyK> that's so boring about it - nothing to
debug or troubleshoot
546 [05:25:12] <RoyK> ;)
547 [05:25:20] <RoyK> veek: how many vm's?
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551 [05:27:13] <RoyK> veek: I tend to prefer a host with 16GB
min, preferably more, of RAM, and possibly mixing that with storage,
be it mdraid or zfs, I prefer the latter, but mdraid is more
flexible, and then "outsourcing" the services to smaller
vm's to allow the host to just service as what it's meant
to be, a host
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553 [05:27:54] <RoyK> separate storage is nice, but for most
people, that includes expensive network and more boxes, and not
suitable for home stuff
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556 [05:29:44] <veek> RoyK, just one - win xp
557 [05:30:07] <RoyK> winxp is out of support ages ago
558 [05:30:10] <RoyK> don't use it
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560 [05:30:58] <RoyK> veek: gaming?
561 [05:31:05] <veek> RoyK, i don't use it per-se got win10
installed - i run QQ mainly in the VM and need some kind of an OS in
there
562 [05:31:27] <RoyK> QQ?
563 [05:31:36] <veek> it's got a decent firewall (chinese
chat thing)
564 [05:31:58] <RoyK> are you chinese?
565 [05:32:01] <veek> nope
566 [05:32:17] <veek> useful for shopping etc :p
567 [05:32:24] <RoyK> well, debian has a decent firewall itself
;)
568 [05:32:45] <veek> heh
569 [05:33:06] <veek> yeah i have iptables cfged and tc too to
ratelimit
570 [05:33:21] <veek> well i use wondershaper actually
571 [05:33:31] <RoyK> ufw is neat if you want to just do it
simply
572 [05:33:35] <veek> wipfw on xp is neat
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575 [05:33:49] <veek> ah hmm lemme google
576 [05:33:51] <RoyK> but then, manyally fixing iptables gives
better control, that's for sure
577 [05:34:00] <RoyK> apt install ufw
578 [05:34:07] <RoyK> it's just an iptables wrapper
579 [05:34:23] <linoobx> I am using Debian9 (stable). What do I
have to do to install this package:
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580 [05:34:30] <RoyK> but I use it for most of my stuff
581 [05:34:31] <RoyK> !ufw
582 [05:34:32] <dpkg> Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an
<iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's
Packet Filter (PF).
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583 [05:34:33] <veek> ah nope - i do a manual iptables cfg -
i'm comfortable with it
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588 [05:35:22] <RoyK> well, that's good - I do both - but
usually on debian I just use ufw unless there's some particular
issue - ufw has a set of rather neat helper rules too
589 [05:36:07] <RoyK> veek: just try it in a vm and judge for
yourself after looking at the rules - I may be wrong, of course, but
IMHO it looks good
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592 [05:37:41] <RoyK> veek: and it doesn't replace iptables
- it just wraps it - and you can add custom rules in the config -
more work in less time, basically (imho)
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594 [05:39:21] <veek> well.. i'll give it a shot - i mainly
need some mechanism for figuring out what files VBox is reading from
disk
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596 [05:39:41] <veek> in case it gets hacked as a sort of
monitoring mechanism
597 [05:40:07] <veek> low level disk block access to file mapping
thing
598 [05:40:19] <RoyK> you won't find tht in the firewall
599 [05:40:33] <veek> yep true..
600 [05:40:45] <RoyK> anyway - stop using vbox unless you have a
very good excuse
601 [05:40:50] <RoyK> kvm beats it
602 [05:40:53] <veek> yep will do
603 [05:41:16] <RoyK> do you need direct pcix mapping to a gpu or
something?
604 [05:41:33] <veek> ah nope
605 [05:41:44] <RoyK> pciex even
606 [05:42:11] <RoyK> anyway - direct mapping is the only thing I
know people sometimes complain about being tricky
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608 [05:42:30] <RoyK> I've been using kvm with tens of vms
for rather small hosts
609 [05:42:36] <RoyK> it just works
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611 [05:43:11] <veek> RoyK, can it tell you what files on the
host disk are being accessed?
612 [05:43:15] <RoyK> and if you're on stretch, it'll
probabaly work quite well too - earlier kvm versions aren't
that good on memory handling
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614 [05:43:52] <RoyK> you have a single disk file or partition or
zvol or whatever that makes the VMs disk
615 [05:44:03] <RoyK> so monitor the VMs and the host
616 [05:44:36] <RoyK> granulated I/O monitoring is usually tricky
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618 [05:45:04] <RoyK> but I beleive there are some stuff in
zabbix that can do it - zabbix is quite nice
619 [05:45:12] <veek> lemme check
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621 [05:45:34] <veek> i've tried/experimented with blktrace
and iostat so far
622 [05:45:52] <RoyK> anyway - a guest should be accessing the
host's disk either by a block device or nfs
623 [05:46:19] <RoyK> I don't really know why you're so
interested in separate files accessed
624 [05:46:30] <RoyK> lsof should show something
625 [05:46:44] <RoyK> the total I/O use of a guest should show a
lot
626 [05:47:09] <veek> well.. because my outbound traffic on
vboxnet0's always greater than inbound and for a chat client
that's odd
627 [05:47:18] <RoyK> veek: what sort of storage are you using?
628 [05:47:32] <veek> just single disk for the vm and a usb stick
for linux
629 [05:47:40] <veek> as in file on disk
630 [05:47:52] <RoyK> asking for trouble, that is ;)
631 [05:48:12] <RoyK> get a few old 500gig drives, you get them
for close to nothing, and setup a small raid
632 [05:48:16] <veek> 500GB laptop disk with 3 partitions one of
which is ext4 and the other ntfs
633 [05:48:28] <RoyK> 5k7rpm? 4k5?
634 [05:48:36] <RoyK> smartctl -i will tell
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636 [05:48:52] <veek> urmm it's an inspiron 1545 laptop :p
not server
637 [05:49:05] <RoyK> ok, sorry
638 [05:49:26] <RoyK> I'm not used to dealing with
virtualisation on shitty laptop drives
639 [05:49:32] <veek> heh
640 [05:49:35] <RoyK> get a small ssd
641 [05:49:50] <RoyK> if you're using lvm in the first
place, lvmcache will help a lot
642 [05:50:06] <RoyK> even a few gigs of lvmcache helps a lot
643 [05:50:53] <RoyK> veek: is this drive 5k4 or 4k5rpm?
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645 [05:51:15] <veek> no lvm it's 5K4
646 [05:51:18] <RoyK> veek: just install smartmontools and run
smartctl -i /dev/sda or whatever device it is
647 [05:51:54] <RoyK> well, it's a tiny drive spinning at
5k4 and it's slow - don't do that at home
648 [05:52:02] <RoyK> don't do it anywhere else either
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652 [05:53:28] <RoyK> veek: you may be able to squeeze a percent
or three out of it with proper tuning, but it's like taking a
T-ford and trying to race it with a modern, cheap toyota - it
won't work, you'll lose
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654 [05:53:58] <RoyK> even a Kia
655 [05:53:59] <veek> ah yep - but it's a core 2 duo
laptop.. it's good for typing
656 [05:54:33] <RoyK> then get some cheap, old hardware and use
it for storage
657 [05:55:09] <RoyK> you can get a mobo for perhaps $30 and some
500gig drives that can outperform that laptop tenfold
658 [05:55:39] <veek> i don't have any storage needs as
such.. i had to empty out all my files to usb backup (scans of my
passport etc) but i'm worried that virtualbox is somehow
reading blocks and sending it out over the net
659 [05:56:06] <veek> reading blocks past the XP image file
660 [05:56:12] <RoyK> it's like banging a 6" spike -
it's quite possible to do it with a screwdriver, but it's
a wee bit easier to do it with a hammer
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662 [05:56:23] <RoyK> s/spike/nail/
663 [05:57:00] <RoyK> veek: sorry - I'm just trying to help
- you won't get good performance with a 2,5" 5k4 drive
whatever you do
664 [05:57:18] <RoyK> *whatever* you do
665 [05:57:28] <RoyK> and SSDs are getting cheaper now
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668 [06:00:16] <RoyK> a typical 10yo 5k4 2,5" drive can
handle something like 80MB/s - probably less - if it's
sequencial. If it's not, which it is in 99% of the cases,
especially with VMs, it may be able to deliver 2-4MB/s because of
the lack of IOPS on such a drive. An SSD can deliver 300MB/s even on
an old SATA2 controller and perhaps 10,000 IOPS (as compared to 80
IOPS on your spinning rust)
669 [06:00:41] <RoyK> so if you can afford the cheapest SSD on
the planet, go get it
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671 [06:02:33] <RoyK> those 80 IOPS will probably be closer to 50
IOPS with a wee bit of fragmentation, perhaps lower
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674 [06:03:56] <veek> RoyK, yup guys on #hardware told me that
SSD's are fairly life changing
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677 [06:05:12] <veek> planning on buying ryzen anyhow so :)
i'll stick an ssd in that
678 [06:05:57] <veek> if you do stumble upon a mechanism for
monitoring IO at the block lvl let me know :)
679 [06:06:11] <veek> that addresses security concernes
680 [06:06:19] <veek> concerns
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691 [06:15:49] <RoyK> veek: better start with an SSD - CPU
isn't that important and storage helps a *lot* more
692 [06:15:59] <RoyK> veek: we're talking magnitudes of
difference
693 [06:16:50] <RoyK> order of two magnitudes, at least
694 [06:17:06] <RoyK> since most of I/O is random I/O, not
sequencial
695 [06:17:53] <RoyK> for sequencial I/O, good spinning rust, as
in large 3,5" drives, can deliver perhaps 250-300MB/s, but they
still can't do more than 120 IOPS on a shiny day
696 [06:18:40] <RoyK> a cheap SSD can do 500MB/s and 40,000 IOPS,
and you *will* notice the difference - long before you replace CPU
and memory and motherboard
697 [06:19:07] <RoyK> veek: I've been in this game for
almost 30 years - just take a good advice, will you? ;)
698 [06:20:07] <RoyK> (well, not almost 30, only 25, sorry)
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702 [06:22:51] <Hooloovo0> yeah
703 [06:23:01] <Hooloovo0> SSD makes things wildly more usable
704 [06:23:12] <Hooloovo0> except in some weird edge cases
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706 [06:23:46] <Hooloovo0> which don't have a speedup, but
are just already fast
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710 [06:28:07] <veek> RoyK, ah okay :)
711 [06:29:56] <linoobx_> How do I make changes to sources.list ?
712 [06:30:40] <linoobx_> I found I can look at it by typing vi
/etc/apt/sources.list
713 [06:30:53] <linoobx_> But it doesn't let me make
changes.
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720 [06:35:16] <bananadev> linoobx_: sudo vi
/etc/apt/sources.list. Press "i" to insert
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722 [06:35:48] <bananadev> ESC -> type ":wq" ->
Enter to save and quit
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726 [06:36:30] <linoobx_> ah cool thanks.
727 [06:37:13] <linoobx_> never woulda figured that out myself.
728 [06:38:59] <bananadev> it's because of "vi".
You can edit easier with gedit, just sudo gedit
/etc/apt/sources.list
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732 [06:40:53] <veek> linoobx_, apt-get update
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734 [06:41:20] <veek> or kate (hawt)
735 [06:42:00] <coruja> or nano
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865 [08:23:00] <dario_> hi everybody
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870 [08:26:58] <dario_> I'm on 9.1, and I have this problem
: I use my second laptop as server at home, so I configured eth port
as auto and dhcp, because I hold it on display manager; but when I
put it on out of home, no cable lan connected, it waits 5 minutes
for a eth connection; I wish to know if there is a way to get the
avoid this
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872 [08:28:25] <n4n0`> dario_: are you talking about waiting for
network at boot?
873 [08:28:33] <dario_> yes
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875 [08:29:24] <n4n0`> You want to disable that check or disable
a network interface altogether?
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877 [08:29:34] <dario_> n4n0`, if I'm at home I have no
problem, because it is connected, but if I bring it at school I
can't wait 5 minutes...
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879 [08:29:51] <n4n0`> oh
880 [08:30:03] <dario_> n4n0`, I want to reduce that waiting to,
for example, 30 sec ?
881 [08:30:28] <n4n0`> Okay, please see
/etc/systemd/system/network-online.target.wants/networking.service
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884 [08:31:51] <n4n0`> dario_: You want to change the
TimeoutStartSec setting, maybe to 30 seconds or something more
friendly for you.
885 [08:31:53] <dario_> n4n0`, TimeoutStartSec=5min ?
886 [08:31:59] <n4n0`> agreed
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888 [08:32:58] <dario_> ok, that's the start point, but, if
my router fails in 30 sec, may I get other connection attempts ?
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891 [08:33:25] <n4n0`> well as you know the dhcp service will
re-attempt
892 [08:34:09] <n4n0`> if you want to disable that service
altogether you may, but I would change the waitdelay.
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894 [08:34:42] <n4n0`> dario_: For further information regarding
NetworkManager please refer to
replaced-url
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898 [08:35:07] <dario_> n4n0`, ok, but so, if I am at school
where I have no cable connection, does my notebook attempt to a
cable connection all the time?
899 [08:35:49] <n4n0`> dario_: only if you have a cable connected
to your NIC
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902 [08:37:19] <n4n0`> dario_: it will await credentials from
your other network adapter (wifi)
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904 [08:38:17] <dario_> n4n0`, I'm confused, first point : I
edited interfaces file to override network-manager control of eth
port; but I'm not sure to do well, does network-manager manage
eth port even if there is no desktop session?
905 [08:38:19] <n4n0`> dario_: but as you know NetworkManager is
a service and runs in the background which could be troublesome for
those who don't require networking at the time.
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910 [08:40:20] <n4n0`> dario_: NetworkManager is a daemon
therefore it will run at all times, if it is indeed running.
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913 [08:40:57] <dario_> n4n0`, so I'll try to remove that
lines in interfaces.... thanks man
914 [08:42:16] <n4n0`> dario_: np, if you wish to disable
NetworkManager from managing those interfaces be sure to set
`managed=false` in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
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920 [08:43:28] <dario_> n4n0`, ok, another question, how may I
enable the tap on the touchpad?
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924 [08:44:35] <n4n0`> dario_: okay, what sort of touchpad? check
your device with the following: (be sure egrep is installed) egrep
-i 'synap|alps|etps|elan' /proc/bus/input/devices
925 [08:44:35] <jonathan_x> I am selectively removing packages
before doing the full stretch upgrade
926 [08:44:58] <jonathan_x> But whenever I try to remove
something like Nautilus, it instantly wants to upgrade a bunch of
packages, why is that?
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928 [08:45:40] <n4n0`> jonathan_x: it wants to upgrade them or
configure them?
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930 [08:46:26] <jonathan_x> upgrade them
931 [08:46:51] <jonathan_x> I mean I can probably prevent it by
setting default to jessie again.
932 [08:47:00] <dario_> n4n0`, N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics
TouchPad"
933 [08:47:13] <jonathan_x> It might want to install something to
replace Nautilus by automatically in this case.
934 [08:47:29] <jonathan_x> Since that will then come from
Stretch, it want to upgrade a whole bunch other things too.
935 [08:47:51] <n4n0`> one sec jon
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940 [08:48:35] <jonathan_x> Indeed it does.
941 [08:48:36] <n4n0`> dario_: On GNOME, go to System ->
Preferences -> Mouse, there should be a "Touchpad" tab.
942 [08:48:52] <dario_> n4n0`, I'm on LXDE
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944 [08:49:42] <n4n0`> oh
945 [08:50:01] <n4n0`> dario_, try to run `synclient
TapButton1=1` without the quotes in terminal.
946 [08:50:44] <dario_> as user?
947 [08:50:48] <n4n0`> yes
948 [08:51:21] <dario_> no synclient command
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951 [08:52:00] <n4n0`> -_-
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954 [08:52:29] <n4n0`> dario_,
replaced-url
955 [08:53:01] <n4n0`> I don't work on GUIs so it's out
of my scope :)
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959 [08:53:39] <n4n0`> but I do know there is a overrides file
for synap pointer devices which will probably be your fix
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962 [08:54:54] <n4n0`> jonathan_x, I wouldn't be able to
answer your question without the upgrade logs, to ensure the
precision of the matter.
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964 [08:55:58] <n4n0`> meanwhile my router is running at 38.0
degC and ready to blow lol
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967 [08:56:54] <dario_> n4n0`, I must logoff, I hope all working
after.. thanks man
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969 [08:57:40] <jonathan_x> n4n0`: When I change default back to
jessie it stops doing it
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971 [08:58:44] <n4n0`> hmm
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973 [08:59:16] <n4n0`> jonathan_x, based on what you are telling
my I'm guessing aptitude is trying to upgrade these packages
due to the dependencies involved within them
974 [08:59:44] <n4n0`> me*
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978 [09:01:50] <jonathan_x> Yes but it's very weird as
I'm not installing anything new.
979 [09:02:05] <jonathan_x> At one point it upgraded some
packages and then immediately removed them.
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981 [09:02:38] <jonathan_x> Which I hated lol, I was trying to
only remove things :p.
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983 [09:03:07] <n4n0`> ahh
984 [09:03:14] <n4n0`> yeah that sounds like aptitude lmao :)
985 [09:03:19] <n4n0`> lmao
986 [09:03:30] <DJDan> well apt-get install net-tools or
openssh-server etc... it keeps saying unable to locate package and
wont install
987 [09:03:37] <DJDan> how do i fix this
988 [09:03:48] <n4n0`> sources DJDan
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991 [09:04:31] <adelyne> DJDan: make sure you ran "apt
update" beforehand
992 [09:04:47] <DJDan> i have done apt update but still not
993 [09:04:52] <jonathan_x> (Reading database ... 99999 files and
directories currently installed.). Lol awesome.
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995 [09:05:58] <n4n0`> still not over 100,000 jon :P
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997 [09:06:09] <n4n0`> DJDan check your sources file
998 [09:06:23] <themill> !bat
999 [09:06:23] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1001 [09:06:53] <themill> jonathan_x: it's best to do that
pruning before you change your sources.list
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1003 [09:07:14] <n4n0`> g'day themill
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1043 [09:21:52] <jonathan_x> themill: I was using the upgradable
list to see what I wanted to prune ;-).
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1050 [09:25:18] <eck> what is a comptuer
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1053 [09:25:30] <eck> and do i need to run #debian
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1089 [09:40:53] <DJDan> in vbox how do i change the ip to a
specific static ip for my debian image.. it keeps changing to
another ip...
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1091 [09:41:36] <RoyK> !ip
1092 [09:41:37] <dpkg> IP (Internet Protocol) is a connectionless,
best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing,
fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. To check
yours, go to
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1093 [09:41:51] <RoyK> DJDan: just configure a static address
1094 [09:42:09] <DJDan> RoyK: i tried... i told the image to use
host-only adapter vboxnet0
1095 [09:42:11] <RoyK> DJDan: or use bloody kvm instead
1096 [09:42:16] <DJDan> kvm?
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1098 [09:42:56] <RoyK> just install kvm and virt-manager -
it's native to linux - vbox is an oracle thing - kvm is far
better
1099 [09:43:17] <RoyK> that is - vbox is easier to setup for
graphical stuff, but that's where it ends
1100 [09:43:21] <DJDan> my machine is osx
1101 [09:43:58] <RoyK> debian doesn't care about the host OS
- is this desktop or server?
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1103 [09:44:18] <DJDan> what?
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1105 [09:45:04] <BTCJunior> can KVM support 64 bit iso installs?
If so are you aware of any example that can be useful?
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1107 [09:45:29] <DJDan> what is kvm
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1110 [09:46:11] <BTCJunior> @DJDan, Kernel Virtual Manager if my
memory serves correct
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1112 [09:46:59] <BTCJunior> DJDan, Kernel Virtual Manager if my
memory serves correct
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1114 [09:47:29] <DJDan> Im using OSX with VBox into Debian 64bit.
What does kvm/virt-manager got to do with it
1115 [09:48:03] <Haohmaru> suddenly my debian9/lxde froze (this
has happened before) .. the mouse cursor moves, but nothing else
responds
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1119 [09:48:49] <Haohmaru> i connected to it via ssh and the cpu
is not busy, the latest things in dmesg is "[33642.869533]
nouveau 0000:01:00.0: Xorg[493]: nv50cal_space: -16"
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1122 [09:49:20] <celyr> if you can connect via ssh it's not
frozen
1123 [09:49:50] <celyr> did you check Xorg logs ?
1124 [09:49:50] <Haohmaru> okay, so i'll pretend that the
program i was using still works
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1127 [09:50:00] <Haohmaru> and i'll click around into the
nothingness
1128 [09:50:03] <DJDan> i told my vbox debian imageto use
'host only' for network... (vboxnet0).. and put a static
ip... but when run ip a it still says another ip :/
1129 [09:50:08] <BTCJunior> DJDan, its all a matter of
preferences; just bear in mind that there are other options. The
fact of the matter is that the main differences are based on how
fast the user is able to start a VM.
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1131 [09:50:18] <Haohmaru> celyr where should they be located?
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1133 [09:50:24] <celyr> Haohmaru, nice approach :)
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1137 [09:52:50] <celyr> Haohmaru, well
1138 [09:52:57] <celyr> they should be on /var/log but
1139 [09:53:05] <DJDan> BTCJunior: are u saying to use QEMU
instead of Vbox? i dont understand this kvm stuff
1140 [09:53:10] <celyr> maybe is logging to syslog in the newest
release
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1142 [09:53:33] <BTCJunior> DJDan, I believ you may have to
reconfigure your network settings within the preferences before you
start ur VM. I cannot recall for the life of me but I do believe
that your HOST only setting is DHCP enabled.
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1146 [09:54:08] <DJDan> BTCJunior: yeh i disconnected, and
tried...but its not working
1147 [09:54:09] <celyr> Haudegen, okay
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1149 [09:54:11] <celyr> it's morning here
1150 [09:54:12] <BTCJunior> DJDan, I am suggesting that you can
still stick with virtual box
1151 [09:54:18] <celyr> i was checking in an Xless server
1152 [09:54:27] <celyr> thay are located in /var/log
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1154 [09:54:53] <Haohmaru> celyr i don't know what to look
for in Xorg.0.log, but the last bunch of stuff doesn't look
like errors
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1156 [09:55:27] <Haohmaru> dmesg however is FULL of
nouveau-related stuff written with red letters
1157 [09:55:34] <BTCJunior> DJDan, but if you want to gain a
better understanding and appreciation for the machinery you are
using , then it is wise to use QEMU or KVM of which there are
literally the same thing
1158 [09:55:35] <nvz> Haohmaru: X logs have always been rather
easy to parse as they use II for information WW for warnings, annd
EE for errors
1159 [09:55:40] <celyr> !paste
1160 [09:55:40] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
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1161 [09:56:12] <celyr> Haohmaru, if you want further help, we
need those things
1162 [09:56:26] <Haohmaru> which things?
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1164 [09:56:40] <celyr> Haohmaru, the pasted logs as instructions
1165 [09:57:01] <BTCJunior> DJDan, with what permissions are you
running your Virtualbox install?
1166 [09:57:32] <DJDan> BTCJunior: what permision.. its osx it
would be full
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1168 [09:58:42] <DJDan> these Vbox network settings are strange
1169 [09:58:44] <BTCJunior> DJDan, User account? if necessary
start virtualbox as the super user then try the process again
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1172 [09:59:09] <DJDan> BTCJunior: what... u just click the app in
osx and it runs
1173 [09:59:48] <DJDan> im administrator
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1175 [10:00:33] <DJDan> what is all this virtio-net paravitualised
networks and stuff
1176 [10:00:38] <BTCJunior> ok, in your File Menu there should be
Preferences for VBox
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1181 [10:01:37] <BTCJunior> Virtual Network interfaces that are
loaded with the OSX version
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1183 [10:02:35] <DJDan> so should it be set to that?
1184 [10:03:03] <DJDan> i have attached to: host only adapter..
vboxnet0... adapter type: virtio net... promiscious allow all?
1185 [10:03:05] <BTCJunior> Change it if necessary.
1186 [10:03:15] <BTCJunior> yes
1187 [10:03:47] <BTCJunior> try it n hopefully it should work
1188 [10:03:55] <Haohmaru> celyr the xorg and dmesg logs are about
over 100KB worth of text, should i paste it to a pastebin?
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1190 [10:04:13] <celyr> Haohmaru, yes
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1195 [10:06:05] <Haohmaru> celyr
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1200 [10:10:06] <Haohmaru> i think last time this happened,
someone told me some funky key-combo which was able to either kill
the lxde, or to bring the linux into the login manager (lightdm)
1201 [10:10:34] <Haohmaru> and it worked, but the frozen session
was left somewhere and the unsaved work went to the trash
1202 [10:10:50] <Haohmaru> i could only login and that created a
new lxde session
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1205 [10:12:15] <celyr> looks like a noveau driver to me
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1207 [10:12:28] <celyr> problem*
1208 [10:12:34] <celyr> what graphic card are you using ?
1209 [10:12:52] <Haohmaru> btw, the video card has issues
1210 [10:13:02] <celyr> -_-
1211 [10:13:14] <Haohmaru> it's been beaten up and requires
frequent baking with hotair
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1213 [10:13:45] <Haohmaru> otherwise it produces random pixels and
random glyphs in BIOS/textmode
1214 [10:13:51] <celyr> man
1215 [10:13:59] <celyr> I mean
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1218 [10:14:15] <celyr> it's ok but next time start with this
1219 [10:14:24] <celyr> obviously this is the problem
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1221 [10:14:39] <Haohmaru> i shouldn't expect to go far
riding on a dead donkey, i know ;P~
1222 [10:14:51] <Haohmaru> but i thought this was a different
issue
1223 [10:15:00] <celyr> I think no
1224 [10:15:31] <Haohmaru> because when the video card reaches the
state where it needs baking - the system crashes/freezes in a more
severe way
1225 [10:15:40] <celyr> given that the video card has hw issues
then i suppose it's not a driver bug but just the video car not
working correctly
1226 [10:15:41] <Haohmaru> while right now, i can move the mouse..
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1228 [10:16:01] <celyr> Haohmaru, that is because the kernel was
able to reset the driver
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1230 [10:16:03] <Haohmaru> the keyboard doesn't respond
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1236 [10:19:22] <celyr> you can't expect anything
1237 [10:19:28] <celyr> you should be happy that something respond
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1256 [10:24:31] <alnet> can my computer run debian
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1264 [10:31:47] <nkuttler> alnet: sure
1265 [10:31:54] <ledeni> alnet, should run debian
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1267 [10:32:09] <nkuttler> alnet: not all of your hardware might
be supported 100% though
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1275 [10:37:18] <DJDan> is grub needed in vbox in order to run
debian?
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1281 [10:41:06] <dgp> DJDan: vbox boots like a normal PC so you
need some sort of bootloader
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1297 [10:44:58] <DJDan> i see... why does vbox output to such a
small window
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1303 [10:45:50] <tx> it's at the screen resolution that is
being outputted by the VM
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1308 [10:47:17] <dgp> DJDan: PCs start up in 1980s mode. Display
resolutions weren't so good back then
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1310 [10:48:28] <DJDan> pretty sure my /etc/apt/sources.list is
correct..but i cant do apt-get install ssh-server or anything
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1313 [10:49:43] <nkuttler> DJDan: paste.debian.net command +
output
1314 [10:50:10] <DJDan> "package net-tools is not available,
but is referred to by another package. this may mean that the
package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only availablefrom
another source'... e: package 'net-tools' has not
installation candidate
1315 [10:50:26] <DJDan> i dont have ssh access and the remote
desktop access i cant seem to copy and paste
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1317 [10:50:58] <nkuttler> DJDan: did you run apt-get update?
1318 [10:51:16] <DJDan> yep
1319 [10:51:24] <nkuttler> sounds like your sources are not
correct
1320 [10:51:40] <nkuttler> !sources.list
1321 [10:51:40] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
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1324 [10:52:12] <DJDan> oh it was stretc-updates instead of
stretch
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1327 [10:52:52] <DJDan> should it be just stretch or
stretch-updates
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1329 [10:53:44] <nkuttler> there's both, as in the bot's
output
1330 [10:54:05] <DJDan> so what should i put
1331 [10:54:13] <DJDan> either
1332 [10:54:28] <nkuttler> what the bot said above
1333 [10:55:15] <nvz> DJDan: security.debian.org stretch/updates
is for security fixes, the regular mirror stretch-updates is more
for fixes that would go in the next point release
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1335 [10:56:12] <DJDan> why is there deb-src and deb entries
1336 [10:56:35] <dgp> DJDan: deb-src are used to fetch source code
when you want to build packages
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1338 [10:57:06] <nvz> DJDan: deb-src are for the source packages,
you'd need those not only to build something (other than say a
kernel driver where -src packages are available as binary header
packages), but to do a backport or such
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1341 [10:57:50] <nvz> DJDan: you can comment them out to speed up
your "update" of the cache and only enable them as needed
if you like, but I'd recommend leaving them in there
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1348 [11:00:08] <nvz> I need to read up more on the new updates
proceedures because I've resisted filing bugs against stable
packages simply because my experience as a long time debian user is
that if you dont catch non-security problems before the release,
they wont be fixed
1349 [11:00:23] <DJDan>
replaced-url
1350 [11:00:30] <DJDan> stretch*
1351 [11:01:00] <DJDan> failedto fetch
deb.debian.org/dists/stretch/main/binary-amd64/packages 404 notfound
..
1352 [11:01:25] <DJDan> ip: 151.101.80.204 80
1353 [11:01:52] <nvz> DJDan: you typed the source line wrong
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1355 [11:03:51] <nvz> actually I'm not seeing a mirror on
that IP at all, but the line should say debian/ at the end and the
url for the release should start
debian/dists/stretch/main/binary-amd64/
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1358 [11:05:59] <nvz> surfing to
replaced-url
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1363 [11:08:40] <DJDan> how do i delete lines in pico
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1367 [11:09:05] <nvz> never used pico, but many editors do not
have a yank command to pull a whole line
1368 [11:09:31] <nvz> one reason why I'd liked mped over
nano, it had Ctrl+y yank command
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1373 [11:11:33] <DJDan> how do i scroll back up in vbox
1374 [11:11:41] <DJDan> i cant even copy and paste
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1376 [11:11:51] <nvz> console or xterm?
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1378 [11:12:24] <DJDan> im using vbox on osx in the debian
terminal
1379 [11:12:31] <alnet> emacs and cim are overly complex
1380 [11:12:53] <nvz> DJDan: on the virtual console scrolling up
is Shift+PgUp
1381 [11:13:35] <DJDan> nvz: now wheres thepgup button on my mac
keyboard lol
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1384 [11:14:00] <nvz> DJDan: haha.. that I can't tell ya.. I
only used macs in grade school
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1388 [11:14:24] <alnet> by the fn key
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1390 [11:14:25] <nvz> on this keyboard I have to use
Shift+Fn+Up_Arrow
1391 [11:14:36] <DJDan> why is this so complicated... its still
complaining about the source list.. some work some dont
1392 [11:14:38] <nvz> which I think is somewhat similar to a mac
keyboard
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1394 [11:14:53] <DJDan> hey that worked :)
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1399 [11:15:37] <nvz> this was sold as a mac keyboard but it hase
a windows logo key on it :P
1400 [11:16:11] <nvz> now if I could only make it do sysrq :P
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1406 [11:17:50] <DJDan> just make your own keyboard then :P
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1408 [11:18:16] <mineta> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
shiobaida"#Kaio-Ken"
1409 [11:18:22] <nvz> they make these bamboo keyboards that are
supposedly hand crafted that looked really nice
1410 [11:18:38] <alnet> Apple makes it hardware to repair
1411 [11:18:56] <DJDan> theres this keyboard, that u can attach
clippers to bananas and stuff... enjoy :P
1412 [11:19:05] <DJDan> as in hardware
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1415 [11:19:35] <DJDan> nvz: this is what u are after
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1421 [11:23:40] <DJDan> what the hell.. theaustralian mirrorsays
35mins to download 6 meg
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1495 [12:05:51] <vahe> hi all, I cloned 2 disks, one 100GB to 1TB
, but sda3 which is my main filesystem and left 100 GB, and 800 GB
were just empty ,how can I add these 800 GB on sda3 ? using fdisk if
possible
1496 [12:06:02] <vahe>
replaced-url
1497 [12:06:20] <tx> Nice uh.. font.
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1499 [12:06:47] <vahe> ty )
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1501 [12:07:20] <SwedeMike> vahe: so you mean you would like sda3
to be expanded to use all the entire space? There are two steps to
this, one is to change the end of the partition, the next is to
resize the filesystem to use all the newly available space within
the partition.
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1504 [12:08:08] <vahe> SwedeMike: yes
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1507 [12:09:03] <vahe> SwedeMike: thanks for the reply and how can
I do this? GParted or fdisk
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1510 [12:10:13] <SwedeMike> vahe: I would do it in fdisk, but I
imagine there might be GUI tools for this that I don't know
about. Let's see if someone else has any suggestions, I think
my way of doing it is harder than it needs to be.
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1512 [12:10:50] <SwedeMike> vahe: does gparted offer the
functionality to resize partitions?
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1515 [12:11:23] <vahe> GUI tools not important I know how to use
fdisk you say my friend
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1518 [12:12:13] <vahe> SwedeMike: I'm ready to do this with
any program :)
1519 [12:12:22] <SwedeMike> vahe: well, I would note down the
start of the partition and the partition type, delete it in fdisk,
then create a new one with same start and type, but that ends at
end-of-disk
1520 [12:12:54] <SwedeMike> vahe: then I would reboot, and then I
would run xfs_growfs or whatever it's called to get xfs to use
the larger partition space
1521 [12:13:16] <SwedeMike> vahe: for safety, do backup and
perform this operation when booted from a usb live stick
1522 [12:13:38] <FinalX> xfs_growfs, yeah
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1524 [12:14:18] <FinalX> also, xfs_growfs can be used on mounted
filesystems, only shrinking can't
1525 [12:14:30] <vahe> I'm not familiar with xfs_growfs but
I'll try to find the manual
1526 [12:14:35] <FinalX> though resizing the partition itself
might not work too great.
1527 [12:14:51] <FinalX> vahe: it's basically just xfs_growfs
/dev/sda3
1528 [12:15:07] <FinalX> or even the mountpoint works iirc
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1531 [12:15:24] <FinalX> oh, in fact, you need to specify the
mountpoint and not device
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1536 [12:16:20] <SwedeMike> vahe: as FinalX is saying, resizing
the partition is the hard part. after that, it's just to run
xfs_growfs on the mounted filesystem and it'll by default use
the entire available space of the parititon
1537 [12:16:42] <vahe> FinalX SwedeMike I'm a little confused
, I can tell you just how to attach this empty space ? :)
1538 [12:17:03] <vahe> you can tell me
1539 [12:17:21] <SwedeMike> vahe:
replaced-url
1540 [12:18:02] <vahe> aha thanks SwedeMike )
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1543 [12:18:34] <Maid-Chan> is there some kind of hardware
identifier that would be 32 hexidecimal characters?
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1548 [12:19:03] <johnkeates> not really
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1553 [12:19:17] <johnkeates> also, 32 hexadecimal doesn't
mean much, you can convert anything to that
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1555 [12:19:28] <johnkeates> it's just a representation of a
bunch of bits
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1559 [12:19:44] <Maid-Chan> it means alot when identifying WHY
it's 32 characters. the same string in decimal would be longer.
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1561 [12:19:58] <johnkeates> just like IP addresses, you can
express them as decimal numbers and they'll actually work
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1563 [12:20:02] <jonathan_x> That means it is 16 bytes.
1564 [12:20:43] <johnkeates> yes, but a number that uses 16 bytes
is also still 16 bytes
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1566 [12:20:53] <johnkeates> just like a string is
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1568 [12:21:02] <Maid-Chan> my controller isn't recognized by
skullgirls. i found a file that lists controllers and how they are
mapped. figured maybe i can add mine to the list but the first data
entry is the mentioned 32 character hex value. i'm trying to
figure out what i should put there. :P
1569 [12:21:12] <johnkeates> hmm
1570 [12:21:14] <jonathan_x> Point is maybe there is a 16-byte ID
that's meaningful.
1571 [12:21:24] <johnkeates> what kind of a device is that
1572 [12:21:35] <johnkeates> PCI? USB? ISA? NUBUS? :P
1573 [12:21:41] <johnkeates> PCI104?
1574 [12:21:47] <Maid-Chan> usb
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1576 [12:22:07] <Maid-Chan> game controllers are usb generally and
if not are usually converted to usb at some point for the computer.
1577 [12:22:08] <johnkeates> well, USB ususally uses a product and
vendor ID
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1579 [12:22:22] <johnkeates> i don't own any game controllers
1580 [12:22:27] <Maid-Chan> yeah i saw that but ven:dev is only 8
chars
1581 [12:22:35] <johnkeates> so i don't know about those or
skullgirls :p
1582 [12:22:36] <johnkeates> but yeah
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1585 [12:22:58] <Maid-Chan> skullgirls is an arcade fighter game
fwiw. :P
1586 [12:23:03] <johnkeates> if a driver is supposed to support
one, and you want to make it use it automatically, the ven:dev will
usually be neough
1587 [12:23:08] <johnkeates> okay :P
1588 [12:23:34] <johnkeates> if the device manufacturer decided to
make 10 different devices but have them all use the same ven:dev,
that's pretty lame of them :p
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1592 [12:24:11] <Maid-Chan> i'd assume since each device in
this database lacks anything other than this mystery key a name and
then button maps i'd assume the mystery key somehow tells the
game how to find the hardware but no idea how the value could be
derived. :P
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1601 [12:25:50] <jonathan_x> So the upgrade process has been so
horrid to me that I think I will have to delete my entire server.
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1603 [12:26:19] <jonathan_x> Just because it has lowered my
ability to deal with it.
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1605 [12:26:32] <Maid-Chan> what is guid?
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1607 [12:27:16] <jonathan_x> gpt uid?
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1609 [12:27:28] <jonathan_x> oh now, global uid
1610 [12:27:56] <Maid-Chan> do devices have a global uid that can
be looked up?
1611 [12:28:08] <jonathan_x> no clue.
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1619 [12:30:22] <Maid-Chan> googling one of the keys got me to
replaced-url
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1622 [12:32:25] <jonathan_x> It says what file that is right.
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1624 [12:32:38] <babilen> jonathan_x: Curious, we upgraded a
couple of production systems and rarely ran into problems. Anything
unusual about your system? (e.g. mix of releases, ...)
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1626 [12:33:05] <jonathan_x> No it was just time bad spent.
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1628 [12:33:37] <babilen> I don't quite follow, how would
that be a reason for problems during the upgrade?
1629 [12:33:41] <jonathan_x> Being put on the wrong foot by
someone about why PostgreSQL 9.4 didn't work under the new
systemd.... which was not caused by systemd.
1630 [12:33:59] <jonathan_x> It was not a problem for the upgrade
itself, it was a problem for me.
1631 [12:34:04] <babilen> Ah, right
1632 [12:34:07] <jonathan_x> And wanting to start over.
1633 [12:34:10] <jonathan_x> And losing too much time that way.
1634 [12:34:46] <jonathan_x> And because of having a hellish
experience some other things in my life run foul ;-).
1635 [12:34:48] <jonathan_x> Well sorry about that.
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1637 [12:35:22] <jonathan_x> Call it a loss of good fortune ;-).
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1640 [12:36:02] <jonathan_x> The system worked fine. It was just
something I had put a lot of time into and I didn't want to
just upgrade in 1 second.
1641 [12:36:17] <jonathan_x> I also couldn't get rid of
Owncloud or PHP 5.6 just like that.
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1646 [12:36:43] <Maid-Chan> jonathan_x it has a partial path to
the file. not the absolute path. so it's hard to know if there
is a similar file somewhere on my system.
1647 [12:36:47] <jonathan_x> It was also said PHP 5.6 would have
an issue with the new ssl.
1648 [12:37:56] <jonathan_x> Can't do apt-file searches for
you now sorry, but it looks like it is either in /etc or in
/usr/share.
1649 [12:38:25] <jonathan_x> And also you can just search for
FS-UAE and it obviously belongs to that, but I don't know what
it is.
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1669 [12:54:33] <tw> devices don't typically have a guid.
They have a device path though.
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1671 [12:54:50] <tw> It can change based on where it is plugged in
however.
1672 [12:55:32] <tw> Certain exceptions (block devices, notably)
do have guids.
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1697 [13:05:39] <brokencycle> Hi! I want to add a bridge in
/etc/network/interfaces, but it doesn't exist - so it also
doesn't come up automatically. pre-up doesn't cut it.
1698 [13:06:03] <jonathan_x> bridge-utils has a tool
1699 [13:06:11] <jonathan_x> mkbr or something
1700 [13:06:14] <jonathan_x> Don't remember.
1701 [13:06:21] <brokencycle> I used /sbin/brctl addbr virbr0
1702 [13:06:29] <jonathan_x> Oh ok yes that one.
1703 [13:06:40] <brokencycle> but the point is: I can add it
manually no problem - but I want to add it automatically, at boot
time.
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1705 [13:06:54] <jonathan_x> Doesn't it persist?
1706 [13:06:59] <brokencycle> Nope.
1707 [13:07:44] <brokencycle> I tried to add the brctl addbr
statement to pre-up in the iface clause, but that doesn't work
- also not with auto-hotplug
1708 [13:08:03] <brokencycle> But I don't see where else I
should add it.
1709 [13:08:05] <jonathan_x> I have no definitive experience with
Stretch but in Jessie you don't need any statements.
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1711 [13:08:11] <jonathan_x> apart from
1712 [13:08:26] <jonathan_x> just mentioning the interface in a
stanza and assigning ports to it.
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1714 [13:08:37] <brokencycle> yeah, forgot to mention: I'm on
stretch.
1715 [13:09:00] <brokencycle> I am using it together with
containers - it must be possible to do, I'm just too blind.
1716 [13:09:15] <jonathan_x> Do you use lxcnet?
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1718 [13:09:28] <brokencycle> I'm using Docker
1719 [13:09:58] <jonathan_x> there were changes to VLAN
functionality with respect to bridges but you are not using that
1720 [13:10:03] <jonathan_x> I don't see why it doesn't
wokr.
1721 [13:10:04] <jonathan_x> work.
1722 [13:10:32] <brokencycle> But thanks for trying and for the
heads-up wrt. vlans, anyway!
1723 [13:10:50] <Maid-Chan> it seems the guid is built from the
bustype, vendid, devid, version... now just gotta figure out how to
get these things.
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1728 [13:12:11] <jonathan_x> Btw are you adding your eth0 to the
bridge or does it stand alone?
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1731 [13:12:44] <ZSky> Why does this work:
1732 [13:12:46] <jonathan_x> Ie. is the docker on the same IP or
on an internal IP?
1733 [13:12:50] <ZSky> awk /'test/ { print $2 }'
other_vhosts_access.log.2
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1735 [13:12:52] <ZSky> but not this:
1736 [13:13:07] <ZSky> awk 'test { print $2 }'
other_vhosts_access.log.2
1737 [13:13:28] <ZSky> sorry
1738 [13:13:32] <tw> ZSky: because /test/ is the search qualifier
for the {print $2} action.
1739 [13:13:37] <jonathan_x> looks like your /test/ is a regular
expression.
1740 [13:13:40] <jonathan_x> yes
1741 [13:13:43] <ZSky> working: awk /'test/ { print $2
}' other_vhosts_access.log.2
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1743 [13:13:53] <ZSky> non working: awk /test/ '{ print $2
}' other_vhosts_access.log.2
1744 [13:13:54] <tw> in test {}, it's checking if the
variable test is true.
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1746 [13:14:13] <jonathan_x> awk '/test/ { print $2 }'
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1748 [13:14:30] <tw> the space between /test/ and '{}'
is interpreted as a separate argument. The script must be a single
arg.
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1750 [13:14:48] <ZSky> but why the ' placed here:
1751 [13:14:48] <tw> the space causes them to be interpreted as a
separate arg.
1752 [13:15:00] <ZSky> awk /'test/ { print $2 }'
other_vhosts_access.log.2
1753 [13:15:04] <tw> you could place it anywhere within /test/ as
long as it encapsulated the space.
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1756 [13:15:14] <ZSky> that's a strange place to place the
', right?
1757 [13:15:18] <tw> I put it at the beginning '/test/ {
print $2 }'
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1759 [13:15:26] <ZSky> does it make sense to put it here:
1760 [13:15:30] <tw> it's very strange, but it works because
it's interpreted by shell expansion.
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1762 [13:15:37] <tw> Not by awk.
1763 [13:15:39] <ZSky> => /'test/ { print $2 }'
1764 [13:15:42] <tw> right.
1765 [13:15:44] <tw> No.
1766 [13:15:45] <tw> But it works.
1767 [13:15:53] <ZSky> but it doesnt make sense, right?
1768 [13:15:53] <jonathan_x> awk '/test/ { print $2 }'
1769 [13:16:02] <tw> eg, /test/' { print $2 }' would
also work.
1770 [13:16:20] <tw> As long as it encapsulates the space, it
works just fine.
1771 [13:16:22] <ZSky> ok
1772 [13:16:44] <ZSky> so, for me to remember, it should be this,
right?: awk '/test/ { print $2 }'
1773 [13:16:45] <tw> Realistically, it's a typo someone made
and since it works, it never got fixed.
1774 [13:16:48] <tw> Yes.
1775 [13:16:53] <ZSky> Thanks guys!
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1777 [13:17:06] <ZSky> Does it translate like this:
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1779 [13:17:21] <ZSky> If test is present *anywhere* in the middle
of the line, then print the second column?
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1782 [13:17:38] <petemc> yes
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1786 [13:17:57] <tw> anywhere in the line at all, beginning,
middle, or end.
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1791 [13:19:43] <jonathan_x> Maid-Chan: Maybe you need a spank to
the buttocks from a customer, but I hoped that that tool whatever it
was would be able to generate it for you.
1792 [13:19:47] <jonathan_x> Pardon any allusions lol.
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1795 [13:20:19] <Maid-Chan> what tool? did i miss something?
1796 [13:20:43] <jonathan_x> That FS-UAE thing.
1797 [13:20:46] <jonathan_x> ?
1798 [13:21:02] <jonathan_x> Oh it's just an emulator.
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1800 [13:21:59] <jonathan_x> Maybe if you install it you will find
your GUID in its files.
1801 [13:22:16] <Maid-Chan> that'd be handy. i'll give
that a go.
1802 [13:22:33] <Maid-Chan> handily it's apparently amiga and
i was needing one of those. :P
1803 [13:22:49] <jonathan_x> :).
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1807 [13:25:13] <student3532> Hi, I just tried to ssh to my
homeserver from a public wifi and ssh is saying someone is probably
doing an mitm attack (this morning on the local ip everything worked
fine). Is it possible to check which ip / MAC address the mitm
attack is coming from?
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1809 [13:25:34] <jonathan_x> Maid-Chan: This tool also has a
button that says "Copy Gamepad GUID"
replaced-url
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1812 [13:26:08] <tw> student3532: /var/log/auth.log
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1815 [13:27:46] <Maid-Chan> well it definitly mapped the
controller. :P so if i can find that file i'll prolly have the
ID. :P I also need to figure out how to load in disk images. :P
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1817 [13:28:17] <Maid-Chan> jonathan_x, ahh that's handy too.
thanx much for the help. :P
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1820 [13:29:23] <Maid-Chan> what's a snap? is that similar to
appimage?
1821 [13:29:48] <jonathan_x> It's a weird Ubuntu thing that
doesn't work.
1822 [13:29:53] <jonathan_x> Well in my experience then ;-).
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1824 [13:30:17] <Maid-Chan> ahh so deb or zip...
1825 [13:30:20] <jonathan_x> It's an app image that sits in
/snap and gets mounted somewhere else before being run.
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1827 [13:30:27] <Maid-Chan> everyone says donn't use deb...
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1829 [13:30:38] <jonathan_x> What's wrong with deb?
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1832 [13:31:10] <Maid-Chan> i dunno. i've been told tons of
times in here not to use them and then been linked thatarticle about
"don't break your debian"
1833 [13:31:15] <jonathan_x> snaps are just a system that uses a
centralized mechanism for deployment with the hopes that they could
also sell commerical snaps.
1834 [13:31:27] <jonathan_x> Oh debs from other people they mean.
1835 [13:31:37] <Maid-Chan> yeah that sounds very similar to
appimage.
1836 [13:31:42] <tw> or flatpak
1837 [13:31:44] <jonathan_x> But snaps are not like that in any
case.
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1840 [13:32:54] <jonathan_x> But in general using .debs is safe if
they won't go overwriting existing packages.
1841 [13:33:30] <student3532> tw: what am I looking for in that
log?
1842 [13:33:33] <jonathan_x> And I think dpkg already handles
that... not apt...
1843 [13:33:40] <tw> student3532: IP addresses would appear there.
1844 [13:33:46] <tw> with usernames.
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1846 [13:33:51] <tw> attempted usernames
1847 [13:34:40] <tw> jonathan_x: path-type searches make me differ
in opinion.
1848 [13:34:43] <jonathan_x> I am using some old firewall packages
that I needed to build myself. They are debs.
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1850 [13:35:09] <tw> esp ld.so search path
1851 [13:35:11] <jonathan_x> path-type searches?
1852 [13:35:34] <jonathan_x> Well then it just won't work
right, it won't break your Debian.
1853 [13:35:42] <student3532> tw: I'm talking about client
side, I'm in the library right now, and not going through with
SSHing becasue of the security risk
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1855 [13:36:25] <tw> student3532: oh, you're probably using
an ip address that is not reachable from the library, yet some other
computer is at that addr.
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1857 [13:36:38] <tw> Which is why you get this error; the host key
has changed.
1858 [13:37:16] <tw> You need to ssh to a public routable IP of
your home machine.
1859 [13:37:56] <student3532> tw: I also run a website on port 80
and was able to resolve that though, that's what makes it weird
1860 [13:38:05] <tw> jonathan_x: for ld.so searches, it will use
the first library it finds with the right name. Unfortunately, if
this came from an external deb, it may be incompatible with the OS
provided tools.
1861 [13:38:10] <student3532> which is http
1862 [13:38:27] <brokencycle> Solution: add 'bridge_ports
none' to the interface clause
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1864 [13:38:35] <jonathan_x> tw: Sure but you shouldn't use
debs that provide that level of system integration or system
libraries.
1865 [13:38:36] <tw> student3532: then I don't know, host key
changing is pretty abnormal.
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1867 [13:39:00] <tw> jonathan_x: you're right, but
there's no way of preventing it if there is no collision
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1869 [13:39:18] <tw> Without manually inspecting the contents of
the package.
1870 [13:39:31] <jonathan_x> tw: Yeah I guess I would do that....
dpkg -L is my friend :p.
1871 [13:39:58] <tw> I'm not sure that works on
not-yet-installed packages, I've never tried.
1872 [13:40:07] <jonathan_x> tw: Oh you're right.
1873 [13:40:14] <jonathan_x> tw: You need dpkg-deb for that..
1874 [13:40:20] <tw> Sounds right
1875 [13:40:20] <student3532> tw: so isn't it safe to assume
one of these dodgy people around me is trying to MITM everyone?
that's what I'm trying to find out, who is doing that...
1876 [13:40:20] <tremolo> Isn't there some concern about what
the package's configuration scripts would do as well?
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1879 [13:40:57] <tw> oh probably, pre and post scripts can do
whatever they want, iirc.
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1881 [13:41:26] <jonathan_x> tremolo: Open a commercial VPN
connection :p.
1882 [13:41:42] <tw> I'm talking about non-malicious packages
specifically.
1883 [13:41:50] <tw> Malicious packages, well... different story.
1884 [13:42:17] <johnkeates> i find that mostly users are the
reasons computers misbehave, removing them would solve everything
1885 [13:42:38] <jonathan_x> Indeed and replace them by better
programmers.
1886 [13:42:39] <jonathan_x> :p.
1887 [13:42:40] <jonathan_x> Lol.
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1889 [13:43:05] <jonathan_x> (After all only a human can cause a
computer to do anything).
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1892 [13:43:21] <tremolo> tw: Right, I was more thinking of a
package from another distro doing something that shouldn't be
done on Debian.
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1894 [13:44:09] <tw> student3532: It's more likely that
there's a transparent proxy run by the library or the
university that is messing with you. I still wouldn't connect
without verifying the host key.
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1898 [13:45:29] <tremolo> jonathan_x: What do you mean?
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1900 [13:46:19] <jonathan_x> Not sure if they (if there are
hackers) would be able to intercept a VPN connection and modify the
server certificate runtime.
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1902 [13:48:07] <jonathan_x> With SSH without you having the
server key in advance you can only check the key signature.
1903 [13:48:22] <jonathan_x> Maybe that's the same thing.
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1905 [13:49:44] <jonathan_x> Chances are nothing is going on
though, I have had weird host key changes that probably resulted
from some package update or something.
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1912 [13:51:27] <jonathan_x> But if a VPN login were to succeed
without warning there wouldn't be a MITM
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1914 [13:52:09] <GNU\colossus> that's pretty much impossible,
except for when an upgrade enabled a new hostkey algorithm (that
your client config then prefers over an old one), or the package
that is being installed is badly broken.
1915 [13:52:20] <tw> afaik that has only happened once with debian
when the weak key material CVE came out.
1916 [13:52:24] <GNU\colossus> ("host key changes that
probably resulted from some package update")
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1919 [13:52:53] <jonathan_x> Idk I have just had it several times.
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1922 [13:53:22] <tw> It'd happen on a reinstall or if you
manually deleted your host keys
1923 [13:53:28] <tw> (regen is automatic)
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1943 [13:59:57] <JohnA> I am upgrading my server. The ne w systen
is the first with uefi. I have 5 large HDD which I want to setup as
a raid (10?) are there any gotchas in using whole disks in athe
raid. eg where does efi partion go? ...
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1945 [14:00:45] <GNU\colossus> JohnA, you need to tread carefully.
the EFI system partition can't be on a software RAID
1946 [14:00:56] <GNU\colossus> it has to be BIOS-fakeRAID or
hardware-RAID
1947 [14:01:22] <GNU\colossus> 5disk RAID10 is possible, but a
little awkward
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1950 [14:02:45] <JohnA> GNU\colossus, that should read 4, they are
4tbs
1951 [14:02:57] <tw> You can set aside a partition at the
beginning of the disk for that, aligned appropriately for your
raid10 to take up the same block range on the remainder of the disk.
I usually do raid1 w/ metadata format 0.9 for that partition so it
gets replicated to at least one other disk.
1952 [14:03:02] <Parrhesiastes> my kobo ebook-reader seem to show
up only as sdd without a number after it, is it normal? i seem to be
able to mount it, but its empty ..
1953 [14:03:20] <GNU\colossus> JohnA, is your new server
intel-based?
1954 [14:03:38] <JohnA> I was debating adding 5th drive puttng the
data on raid and the system on something else
1955 [14:03:43] <GNU\colossus> and is booting it in UEFI mode a
strict requirement?
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1958 [14:05:44] <JohnA> GNU\colossus, as far as I can tell from
the MB manual yes. The local HW store is gamer oriented and M$ seems
to rule!
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1960 [14:06:14] <GNU\colossus> JohnA, you should probably look
into the IMSM container format for RAID arrays that mdadm can manage
1961 [14:06:33] <weh6> Tracking, and graphing user activity? I
imagine this is very unique. I would like to know what websites are
visited, at what times.. When the user is active, or not active..
1962 [14:06:33] <GNU\colossus> that way you can boot from your 4
disks in, say, RAID10, and also have all your data on them
1963 [14:07:18] <weh6> Perhaps a program that detects
mouse/keyboard movement given a timeout threshold, logs last
commands, uses iptables, proxy, or similar option to log websites
visited, at what times..
1964 [14:07:29] <JohnA> IMSM? not familar with term? Looks like
google will be my friend for a while
1965 [14:07:32] <weh6> I imagine a solution already exists?
1966 [14:07:47] <n4n0`> google is always your friend JohnA
1967 [14:08:18] <JohnA> n4n0`, I don't I know it!!!
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1969 [14:09:07] <JohnA> Any advice on "good" sites to go
looking at for info. My original server is about 8y old and stioll
running, but 8y!
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1972 [14:10:06] <JohnA> I have thought of adding a SDD(?) drive
for the system stuff and using the HDD for the Data storage.
Whorthwhile?
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1975 [14:10:37] <n4n0`> sounds like a plan JohnA
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1977 [14:11:55] <n4n0`> unless you're a super duper lab
technician and can recover data from a SSD, you should always keep
your 'actual' data stored on a spin-type
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1981 [14:12:46] <jonathan_x> JohnA: Only using a small SSD for
boot is also possible of course.
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1984 [14:13:20] <jonathan_x> JohnA: You could even do that with an
USB stick. But something internal would be better I guess.
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1986 [14:13:30] <jonathan_x> Linux can be booted from anywhere as
long as the boot loader can run.
1987 [14:13:32] <Nialcen> Hello all.
1988 [14:13:34] <n4n0`> true story jonathan_x because of USB
limitations.
1989 [14:13:35] <tw> weh6: auditd + some proxy. You have to do
some root certificate manipulation to get SSL interception working,
and it might just break altogether.
1990 [14:13:57] <tw> If they can sudo, it will probably be moot.
1991 [14:13:59] <n4n0`> you won't find a faster route to the
cpu/mobo than with pci
1992 [14:14:19] <tw> it's also CPU/IO expensive
1993 [14:14:44] <jonathan_x> Yes but for booting you only really
require some SDcard of sorts.
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1995 [14:15:07] <weh6> tw, Terrible solution. auiditd only solves
a small handful of my issue. Using a proxy... adds too much
overhead. A stateful firewall would do better.
1996 [14:15:18] <jonathan_x> At least without UEFI all you need is
a boot partition with grub in the MBR and on the disk.
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1998 [14:15:46] <jonathan_x> My current computer can only boot
Linux with an USB stick :p.
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2000 [14:15:59] <n4n0`> my poweredge doesnt have sdcard slot :(
2001 [14:16:03] <tw> weh6: a stateful firewall doesn't care
about domain names.
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2003 [14:16:11] <jonathan_x> n4n0`: mSATA SSD.
2004 [14:16:13] <tw> have fun sorting out cloudflare
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2006 [14:16:29] <JohnA> The problem is that it getting increasing
difficult to find MB that don't demand UEFI
2007 [14:16:39] <jonathan_x> Hmm.
2008 [14:16:47] <n4n0`> mmm. coffee
2009 [14:16:50] <weh6> tw, destination address would be enough.
2010 [14:16:53] <jonathan_x> Maybe there is a reason I want to
stick to the old stuff.
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2012 [14:17:51] <jonathan_x> I have a 30 GB mSATA that I only use
now for caching but originally just as extra boot device.
2013 [14:17:57] <n4n0`> jonathan_x, you mean like the evo 850?
2014 [14:18:20] <jonathan_x> That is huge for what you need.
2015 [14:18:20] <JohnA> jonathan_x, so do but there comes a time
when you have to replace it.
2016 [14:18:21] <Nialcen> I have a small problem on my raspi 3 :I
try to use a static IP instead of the DHCP. I change /etc/dhcp.conf
and /etc/hosts. ifconfig gimme the static IP, no problem, but I
can't connect using ssh or SFTP anymore, and hitting my IP
adress is the same, apache do not answer me anymore. What do I miss
?
2017 [14:18:38] <n4n0`> Nialcen, please go to #raspberry-pi
2018 [14:18:48] <Nialcen> Roger that, thank you
2019 [14:18:50] <jonathan_x> mSATA can also be m.2
2020 [14:18:53] <n4n0`> lol jonathan_x but I want the 950
2021 [14:18:54] <jonathan_x> or whatever it is claled
2022 [14:18:56] <jonathan_x> called
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2024 [14:19:07] <jonathan_x> Sure if you want to install system on
SSD go ahead.
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2026 [14:19:19] <n4n0`> its a cloud controller
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2028 [14:19:20] <jonathan_x> I was just talking about having a
dedicated disk for a boot partition
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2030 [14:19:29] <Nialcen> n4no empty/dead chan
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2032 [14:20:03] <n4n0`> sorry, I meant #raspberrypi.
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2035 [14:20:10] <n4n0`> without the .
2036 [14:20:35] <Nialcen> Ty o/
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2038 [14:20:42] <JohnA> n4n0`, you mean the '-"
2039 [14:20:56] <jonathan_x> No he typed a . at the end the second
time.
2040 [14:21:01] <jonathan_x> :p. Anyway.
2041 [14:21:06] <n4n0`> lol gdi
2042 [14:21:16] <n4dir> Nialcen: then try the forum of raspberry
replaced-url
2043 [14:21:23] <jonathan_x> He's gone.
2044 [14:21:24] <JohnA> oooops!
2045 [14:22:17] <jonathan_x> I mean these drives:
replaced-url
2046 [14:22:20] * n4n0` locates ANY key
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2051 [14:23:40] <JohnA> I am sort of playing with the idea of
using the 'fake' raid controller build in to the hw. in
the past I have avoided them but am I out of date on their
usefulness
2052 [14:23:59] <tw> weh6: If you're looking for an analytics
tool, I don't know of any. You can find out all those things by
processing the logs from said tools, but it sounds like you
don't want to roll your own. Everything interesting a user can
do is a syscall and that's exactly what auditd gives you.
2053 [14:24:34] <jonathan_x> JohnA: You can also use M.2 SSD but
they are said to run very hot.
2054 [14:25:22] <jonathan_x> Maybe it's overkill for nothing
but a boot partition/boot loader/EFI partition.
2055 [14:25:32] <JohnA> my experiance is that anything that runs
hot tends to have a short(shorter) life than usual.
2056 [14:25:47] <weh6> tw, Why would I roll my own, or cobble
together a half working solution? Sure, a shell script that checks
for mouse, and keyboard activity, using squid, parses logs is an
option.. I wanted an existing solution.
2057 [14:25:51] <jonathan_x> Sure but if you only use it for
booting that's not an issue.
2058 [14:26:24] <weh6> There are much better ways to achieve my
goal than hacking something together. Which in a sense is what you
suggest. I sppreciate the advice.
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2060 [14:26:57] <weh6> If an existing solution doesn't exist,
which sounds the case, I'll obviously go the route you suggest,
what else is left?
2061 [14:27:11] <JohnA> jonathan_x, are they hot only when active
or is it all the time?
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2063 [14:27:21] <n4n0`> shes usually hot all the time
2064 [14:27:57] <JohnA> therefor, likely to have reduced life.
2065 [14:28:10] <n4n0`> so I shouldn't date hot girls
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2068 [14:29:58] <jonathan_x> JohnA: He's talking about his
ex-girlfriends not your ssd.
2069 [14:30:09] <n4n0`> hehe
2070 [14:30:15] <JohnA> Not if you want an long (but maybe boring
life), on the other hand life is for living. I want my drive to have
long boring lives. & I an in my 70s so I must have had ...
2071 [14:30:52] <jonathan_x> I am pretty sure they only run hot
when used.
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2073 [14:31:30] <n4n0`> So then apply more cooling?
2074 [14:31:33] <jonathan_x> But in any case the only reason
You'd choose m.2 SSD is because it doesn't require a
converter to attach it to a regular SATA port, and if your
motherboard has an M.2 slot.
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2076 [14:32:01] <jonathan_x> Otherwise if you have room for a
bracket, converter and the mSata, that's fine too.
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2078 [14:32:32] <jonathan_x> I was only mSata as a smallish
alternative if you cared about having a separate boot drive (but not
system drive).
2079 [14:32:47] <JohnA> jonathan_x, so when dormant they
"probably" cool off. Mind u that may not be good, most
electronics last longer when kept at stable temps and conditions.
2080 [14:32:57] <jonathan_x> Oh come on.
2081 [14:33:17] <tw> weh6: I can't help with an integrated
solution. apparmor would give you exec logs, but it's probably
more trouble than its worth. evtest, libinput, or just /dev/input/*
will give you key/mouse events in a non-intrusive way, but
won't correlate it to a specific user on the console.
2082 [14:33:21] <jonathan_x> I only base myself on one person that
used it in a system and it ran hot for him, I have no other
knowledge.
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2085 [14:33:52] <jonathan_x> And a boot drive (not system drive)
is only used for 10 seconds.
2086 [14:34:00] <n4n0`> true
2087 [14:34:06] <JohnA> I was an engineer, I remember these
things, if I remember anything, like hot girls
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2089 [14:34:27] <jonathan_x> Well systemd is evil you know.
2090 [14:34:34] <n4n0`> systemd is evil.
2091 [14:34:39] <jonathan_x> Amen.
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2094 [14:35:01] <JohnA> I must admit I llok at systemd, and keep
seeing M$
2095 [14:35:20] <n4n0`> ew
2096 [14:35:31] <n4n0`> my nanites just puked
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2099 [14:35:43] <JohnA> It breaks the kiss principal at every
turn.
2100 [14:36:09] <n4n0`> however, the hololens project is
interesting.
2101 [14:36:18] <themill> perhaps you were looking for ##chat
2102 [14:36:19] <n4n0`> but thats for #debian-offtopic lol
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2108 [14:38:50] <JohnA> n4n0`, lets stick to debian, don't
want to make too many people feel queasy
2109 [14:39:04] <n4n0`> okie
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2124 [14:49:11] <EdtheMexi> Anyone with opinion regarding Ansible
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2131 [14:51:14] <SpeedyG> just started learning some about ansible
but it looks quite promising :)
2132 [14:51:19] <jonathan_x> I think I want to delete my current
system and just install Debian 9 from scratch, but that will
probably give me even more trouble...
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2135 [14:52:52] <babilen> EdtheMexi: For what?
2136 [14:53:10] <jonathan_x> The amount of customization is really
staggering... :(.
2137 [14:53:18] <jonathan_x> Well it's not so bad but still a
lot of work.
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2139 [14:53:40] <jonathan_x> Which I generally fail at these
days...
2140 [14:53:40] <slax0r> hello, if I run find . -mtime +30 -exec
rm {} \; to remove all files older than 30 days, can I expect some
heavy I/O load if there are ALOT of files?
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2143 [14:54:39] <Nothing4You> how can i figure out what is
occupying a port if netstat only tells me it's occupied by
1/init?
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2145 [14:54:47] <Brigo> slax0r, yes, you can use nice though.
2146 [14:55:04] <slax0r> fair point, thanks
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2148 [14:55:57] <EdtheMexi> babilen: For APP Deployment
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2150 [14:56:26] <JohnA> slax0r, I would be very care about using
"find ." in this context
2151 [14:56:46] <slax0r> JohnA: in what sense?
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2153 [14:57:14] <themill> -delete is a thing too
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2161 [14:58:19] <JohnA> removing everything older than 30 days in
the wrong place could remove stuff needed to keep your system up.
2162 [14:58:47] <EdtheMexi> I'm looking for a way where I can
have the users have a catalogue style of applications which we can
have at their disposal whenever they require a certain APP which we
support/allow, they will be able to self attend and get the APP via
a catalogue.
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2164 [14:59:05] <EdtheMexi> I don't know if this would be
feasible
2165 [14:59:11] <slax0r> that's true, but I made sure I am
not in a place where I can delete unwanted stuff, and even if I do,
it's only a production server
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2168 [15:00:13] <slax0r> on a serious note, I didn't actually
use . in the actual command, but it's a lot faster to type .
here where the path does not really matter to the question
2169 [15:00:20] <JohnA> slax0r, oh ok its not an important system,
doesn't have any worth keeping on it
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2171 [15:02:02] <JohnA> slax0r, OK, using . in real life can have
unexpected consequences
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2173 [15:02:54] <ghormoon> hi, is there currently way to install
flash from .deb on stretch? tried both 3.6.1 from jessie and 3.7
from sid, none ofthem works :)
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2178 [15:04:26] <themill> browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
works; where it is a good way of doing things or not remains to be
seen
2179 [15:04:55] <ghormoon> that doesn't work, at least in
firefox, in chromium it doesn't even try
2180 [15:05:15] <themill> it works only in firefox
2181 [15:06:30] <slax0r> OS-32198: whatever that it is that you
are wanting to ask me, I am sure you will get an answer sooner if
you ask it directly in the channel...
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2184 [15:06:55] <hellyeah> !msg dpkg multipmedia
2185 [15:06:56] <GNU\colossus> has anyone in here used dspam in
the past? if so, what did you migrate to for filtering spam on your
MX?
2186 [15:07:02] <hellyeah> !msg dpkg multimedia
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2188 [15:07:17] <ZSky> What is the easiest way to remember how to
do a loop in bash?
2189 [15:07:31] <hellyeah> dpkg
2190 [15:07:33] <ZSky> for i in 1..30
2191 [15:07:34] <hellyeah> !dpkg
2192 [15:07:35] <dpkg> i heard dpkg is the program used by Debian
to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me
about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called
dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
2193 [15:07:41] <pingfloyd> !snss
2194 [15:07:41] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
2195 [15:07:41] <hellyeah> !dpkg multimedia
2196 [15:07:46] <ZSky> for i in 1..30 do echo i; done;
2197 [15:07:50] <ZSky> i never remember...
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2199 [15:08:01] <GNU\colossus> in {1..30}
2200 [15:08:01] <themill> hellyeah: monkeys and typewriters?
2201 [15:08:08] <GNU\colossus> it's a brace expansion feature
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2203 [15:08:21] <hellyeah> i just want to learn multimedia repo of
debian
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2205 [15:08:35] <themill> hellyeah: there is no "multimedia
repo of debian"
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2207 [15:08:43] <themill> there is debian.
2208 [15:08:47] <ZSky> for i in {1..30} do echo $i done;
2209 [15:08:52] <ZSky> ^ doesn't work
2210 [15:08:59] <GNU\colossus> you miss a ;
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2212 [15:09:02] <GNU\colossus> or a linebreak
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2214 [15:09:11] <hellyeah> themill, there is a repo here
replaced-url
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2216 [15:09:13] <GNU\colossus> after your LIST (taht the braces
expand to)
2217 [15:09:23] <GNU\colossus> for i in {1..30}; do echo $i; done
2218 [15:09:43] <ghormoon> themill: it fails to load
libpepflashplayer.so, apt-file search libpepflashplayer.so returns
nothing
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2221 [15:10:11] <themill> hellyeah: deb-multimedia.org is not the
multimedia repo of debian. It's a collection of crap packages
that are exceedingly badly maintained by a maintainer with no clue
how to work with other developers
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2225 [15:10:48] <themill> ghormoon: which architecture is this
for?
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2229 [15:11:48] <themill> ghormoon: libpepflashplayer.so is not in
any package (it is not allowed to redistribute it); it is downloaded
by pepperflashplugin-nonfree -- did you also install that package?
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2236 [15:13:31] <ghormoon> themill: that package doesn't
exist, should i bring it from jessie or somewhere else?
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2239 [15:13:49] <themill> ,i pepperflashplugin-nonfree
2240 [15:13:50] <judd> No package named
'pepperflashplugin-nonfree' was found in stretch/amd64.
2241 [15:13:50] <ghormoon> I have non-free and contrib in
sources.list
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2245 [15:14:22] <themill> probably from sid, it seems
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2252 [15:18:17] <ghormoon> jessie one was somehow broken, though
sid worked, thanks
2253 [15:18:21] <tw> ZSky: be aware that {1..30} is a bashism.
$(seq 1 30) will work in posix-y (or generally less featureful)
shells.
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2260 [15:21:34] <GNU\colossus> `seq` isn't POSIX, so
there's very little to win in that regard.
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2265 [15:23:03] <blingrang> Hi, I have a new Deb 8 server.
"du" shows that "/" is being mounted from
"/dev/root". But when I run "tunefs" on
"/dev/root", it errors out saying "the file or
directory doesn't exist".
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2267 [15:23:20] <JustASlacker> /dev/root ?
2268 [15:23:20] <tw> mmm, seems not, my mistake. But it works on
debian and busybox.
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2270 [15:23:27] <blingrang> JustASlacker, yes
2271 [15:23:29] <tw> (debian dash)
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2274 [15:24:02] <blingrang> I confirmed that /dev/root
doesn't exist. Moreover, "mounts" show that /dev/sda
is mounted on "/"
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2276 [15:24:26] <petemc> /dev/root should exist, and it is a
symlink
2277 [15:24:50] <blingrang> petemc, exactly, that's what
I'm expecting. Thanks for the confirmation.
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2280 [15:25:29] <tw> Said /dev/root doesn't exist on my deb9.
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2283 [15:26:05] <blingrang> hmmm
2284 [15:26:29] <blingrang> How can '/' be mounted from
/dev/root, when /dev/root doesn't exist?
2285 [15:26:30] <petemc> doesnt exist on 9.1 for me, is there on a
7.1
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2287 [15:27:00] <blingrang> petemc, I can confirm the symlink
exists on wheezy
2288 [15:27:01] <hellyeah> hey
2289 [15:27:12] <hellyeah> is there a package to convert pdf to
doc in debian?
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2293 [15:28:54] <gpunk> hellyeah: I donno if WPS office is in the
debian repos.
2294 [15:28:56] <tw> blingrang: possibly an artifact of your
initrd + grub config. I don't think the string is updated after
switch_root/pivot_root.
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2296 [15:29:35] <gpunk> and I havent tryied it that way
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2299 [15:30:23] <hellyeah> gpunk, i am sure wps has debian package
i will check it
2300 [15:30:52] <gpunk> yes they have a .deb
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2311 [15:37:29] <awal1> ,v wicd
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2313 [15:37:29] <judd> Package: wicd on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.7.2.4-4; jessie: 1.7.2.4-4.1; buster: 1.7.4+tb2-4; sid:
1.7.4+tb2-4; stretch: 1.7.4+tb2-4
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2315 [15:38:25] <awal1> is wicd under active development or almost
maintenance?
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2319 [15:39:39] <awal1> nm : wifi 40%, wicd: 50/60%
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2341 [15:49:01] <hellyeah> how can i remove first character of
file i have 20 files begins with "-".
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2346 [15:51:18] <themill> rename can do it and seems to not get
confused by the leading -
2347 [15:51:53] <themill> otherwise, the magic "--"
argument: mv -- -foo foo
2348 [15:51:56] <hellyeah> yeah rename
2349 [15:51:59] <hellyeah> hmm let me check
2350 [15:52:18] <themill> or use something like vidir
2351 [15:52:32] <hellyeah> vidir
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2354 [15:52:53] <hellyeah> deiban doesnt have that :/
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2356 [15:54:58] <themill> doesn't have what?
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2358 [15:55:07] <awal1> i think it is part of moreutils pkg,
hellyeah
2359 [15:55:21] <hellyeah> hmm
2360 [15:55:22] <hellyeah> thanks
2361 [15:55:47] <themill> both apt-file search and apt-cache
search
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2363 [15:56:23] <ZSky> for i in {1..30}; do echo $i; done
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2365 [15:56:28] <ZSky> ^^ this will display 1, 2, 3,
2366 [15:56:35] <ZSky> how to get 01, 02, 03, .. 30 instead?
2367 [15:56:57] <Rembo> hello everyone, does the following cronjob
set corect to start every monday at 00:01? : 01 00 * * 1 curl
replaced-url
2368 [15:57:28] <JustASlacker> Rembo:
replaced-url
2369 [15:57:52] <JustASlacker> looks right
2370 [15:58:06] <gpunk> 00 01 ...
2371 [15:58:08] <gpunk> ?
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2373 [15:58:19] <gpunk> oh sorry
2374 [15:58:22] <gpunk> discard me
2375 [15:58:33] <Flerex> Does anybody know any resource where I
can learn all the steps in the booting process of Debian?
2376 [15:58:34] <Flerex> I found this page
replaced-url
2377 [15:59:03] <ZSky> i mean with for i in {1..30}; do ... $i
2378 [15:59:16] <ZSky> $i will be 1, 2, 3 => how to get 01 02
03 instead?
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2386 [16:02:08] <adelyne> Flerex: systemd has a page about it,
I'll find it
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2388 [16:02:41] <M3B0> for i in {1..30}; do printf
"0.2%d" $i; done
2389 [16:02:41] <adelyne>
replaced-url
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2391 [16:02:59] <M3B0> ZSky: for i in {1..30}; do printf
"0.2%d" $i; done
2392 [16:03:00] <Flerex> adelyne: Thank you very much! :)
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2398 [16:03:48] <adelyne> Flerex: "man bootup" if you
want the offline version :)
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2403 [16:04:23] <Flerex> To be honest I didn't know you could
get this kind of information with man
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2405 [16:04:36] <Flerex> Got a lot to learn
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2407 [16:04:48] <ZSky> M3B0 in fact I wanted to do:
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2410 [16:05:23] <ZSky> for i in {1..30}; do echo -n $i/Aug/2017;
grep $i/Aug/2017 other_vhosts_access.log
2411 [16:05:32] <JustASlacker> done
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2413 [16:05:45] <ZSky> M3B0 how to use your trick in this?
2414 [16:06:07] <JustASlacker> uh
2415 [16:06:13] <JustASlacker> why not just grep
2416 [16:06:47] <JustASlacker> looks like you just grep through
all days?
2417 [16:06:55] <M3B0> ZSky: For that use grep with regex. No need
to use for and echo.
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2430 [16:12:02] <andrew2221> Hi everyone. A quick question, maybe
someone could help me. Not Debian specific tho. Using tar, to
compress a folder, I wanted to exclude a subfolder, and added the
--exclude='./folder_to_exclude' after the options,
resulting in a file called "--exclude=.tmp", and I cannot
delete it with rm, because of the characters it contains. Tried to
escape th
2431 [16:12:02] <andrew2221> em with \, to no avail. Could someone
tell me how to delete that file?
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2435 [16:13:08] <andrew2221> It's on a remote server, and I
do not have other programs such as mc..
2436 [16:13:28] <petemc> andrew2221: rm -- --ex<tab>
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2439 [16:16:12] <xand> or ./--ex...
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2441 [16:17:00] <andrew2221> petemc: Thank you very much, it
worked.
2442 [16:17:37] <andrew2221> xand: Thank you, I will try this one
too, tho petemc: 's solution worked too.
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2470 [16:28:31] <BoomSie> Hi, anybody familiar with using
FortiClient in combination with a pre-shared key? I'm googling
my ass of, but ending up nowhere.
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2481 [16:32:24] <lezsakdomi> Hi!
2482 [16:33:03] <lezsakdomi> I'm sure that everyone is
familiar with the "ping: snedto: Network unreachable"
message.
2483 [16:33:12] <lezsakdomi> What does it mean exactly?
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2489 [16:34:32] <BoomSie> lezsakdomi: not sure what you're
trying to ask, but it just means there's no network
configuration OR dns result for snedto
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2492 [16:35:18] <BoomSie> most likely no network configuration,
dns error would be something like 'unknown host ....'
2493 [16:35:19] <lezsakdomi> *sendto
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2495 [16:35:38] <M3B0> lezsakdomi: It means that you do not have a
route to that network.
2496 [16:36:06] <lezsakdomi> And what can cause error by network
configuration? Eventually my routes are fine.
2497 [16:36:31] <JustASlacker> maybe clean your pipes
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2499 [16:37:22] <gpunk> a down router
2500 [16:38:42] <lezsakdomi> gpunk: Oh, that was it!
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2502 [16:38:54] <gpunk> :)
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2505 [16:39:01] <lezsakdomi> Thank you all for your responses!
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2514 [16:43:19] <ZSky> M3B0 can you give an example?
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2527 [16:48:34] <M3B0> ZSky: if all you need is grep $i/Aug/2017
with i from 01 to 31 you can use grep directly. grep
"[0-3][0-9]/Aug/2017" YOURFILE I think it will work
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2537 [16:51:51] <lezsakdomi> OMG, I am really in trouble.
2538 [16:52:14] <lezsakdomi> ping 8.8.8.8: sento: network
unavailable
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2541 [16:53:02] <lezsakdomi> ip route get 8.8.8.8: ... via
192.168.43.1 dev ... src ...
2542 [16:53:08] <JustASlacker> pretty sure google works
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2544 [16:53:19] <lezsakdomi> ping 192.168.43.1: OK
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2546 [16:54:04] <inaki> so your internet is down, or the router is
misconfigured
2547 [16:54:13] <lezsakdomi> JustASlacker: What do you mean?
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2549 [16:54:30] <lezsakdomi> No. The error is at my host side.
2550 [16:54:36] <JustASlacker> just making a bad joke, dont mind
me
2551 [16:55:05] <lezsakdomi> BTW I am IRCing from the same router,
but using a different laptop.
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2554 [16:55:38] <JustASlacker> paste the output from ip a s and ip
r somewhere
2555 [16:56:08] <JustASlacker> ip a, ip r I mean
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2561 [16:57:28] <cpn_zoom> hello! an iptables question: i have
iptables set up with policy DROP for INPUT, OUTPUT and FORWARD, and
then I have a rule that allows a certain user to make outgoing tcp
connections and another that allows incoming and outgoing packets
with --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED (to allow traffic on the allowed
tcp connections). i log everything else. occasionally i get lines
like "IN= OUT=wlan0 SRC=192.168.2.100 DST=SOME.DEST.IP LEN=52
2562 [16:57:28] <cpn_zoom> TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=13575 DF
PROTO=TCP SPT=47491 DPT=443 WINDOW=434 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0" in
the log, which look like ACK packets on the allowed connections...
is iptables somehow missing that those should match --state
RELATED,ESTABLISHED? how can i debug that?
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2579 [17:01:16] <JPT> cpn_zoom: You can use iptables -S to dump
the whole ruleset, so we can take a closer look
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2583 [17:02:09] <cpn_zoom> i think i just realised that i only
have the --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED for INPUT... so if the ACKs for
some reason don't get tagged with the user id the rules
_should_ block them.
2584 [17:02:25] <cpn_zoom> can that happen?
2585 [17:02:48] <JPT> Maybe you just forgot -m state
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2587 [17:02:57] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> Hello, how i mount a cdrom with
write permissions from usb pendrive?
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2590 [17:03:36] <JPT> Hijo_Del_Agobio: Isn't a cdrom usually
read only?
2591 [17:03:41] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> I'm trying mount /dev/sdf1
/media/cdrom but it mount the cdrom as read only
2592 [17:04:02] <M3B0> ROM: Read Only Memory......
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2594 [17:04:21] <cpn_zoom> Hijo_Del_Agobio: if it's an ISO
image i don't think there even are any drivers that can write
to those.
2595 [17:04:30] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> yes JPT but i need to add
anarchives to install binary-i386 for wine
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2597 [17:04:36] <JPT> In case you want to burn a cd maybe this can
help a bit:
replaced-url
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2599 [17:05:01] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> M3B0, hahah i know this
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2601 [17:05:20] <JPT> Hijo_Del_Agobio: Please give a bit more
details: What are you trying to do? :)
2602 [17:05:51] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> So, how i can mount the pendrive
as pendrive and modify the files?
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2604 [17:06:12] <JPT> Ah, okay. In that case, there should be
mount options for this ... let's see
2605 [17:06:59] <JPT> You should be able to use the uid= and gid=
options for mount to specify user and group
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2609 [17:07:12] <dgp> Hijo_Del_Agobio: what filesystem is the
pendrive using?
2610 [17:07:14] <JPT> With mode= you can influence the permissions
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2613 [17:07:49] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> Yes JPT to install wine i need
install the binary-i386 packagues, I try apt-get --add-i386 and
apt-get update, and te program say me insert the debian cdrom but my
debian usb endrive not contains the binary-i386 and I need to add
this
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2615 [17:08:03] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> I think is FAT32 JPT
2616 [17:08:33] <JPT> What's on that pendrive?
2617 [17:08:34] <dgp> Hijo_Del_Agobio: do you have an internet
connection?
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2621 [17:08:59] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> yes JPT
2622 [17:09:00] <dgp> Hijo_Del_Agobio: if so just comment out the
cdrom in your apt sources and let apt grab it from a mirror
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2625 [17:09:51] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> i downloaded the binary-i386
directory from wine web page
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2629 [17:10:35] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> I only need mount the pendrive
as normal pendrive with permisions to modify files inside
2630 [17:10:49] <dgp> apt can't use directories of random
.deb packages. It would be easier for you to just let apt get the
files via http
2631 [17:10:52] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> andafter umount this and munt
again as cdrom
2632 [17:11:14] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> JPT how i cando it?
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2634 [17:12:59] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> but I want save the deb
packagues for use it in a future without internet connection
2635 [17:14:22] <JPT> Hijo_Del_Agobio: What you can do is to store
the .deb files on your machine and manually install them using dpkg
-i
2636 [17:14:35] <JustASlacker> yeah, just apt download them and
keep for later user
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2639 [17:15:28] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> Yes JPT it is the best solution
for me
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2642 [17:16:02] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> Know you the packagues that i
need to download?
2643 [17:16:23] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> or a list that say these
packagues
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2647 [17:17:16] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> to enable the multiarch suport,
i386 for wine32
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2649 [17:17:53] <Hijo_Del_Agobio> JustASlacker, thanks
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2680 [17:27:54] <jedix> I'm having issues with all menus in
firefox 56 and 57
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2683 [17:28:07] <jedix> it seems like it's probably a gtk3
issue.. but I can't track it down
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2689 [17:29:24] <goofy_> guys
2690 [17:29:31] <goofy_> just because i'm dumb
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2694 [17:29:52] <goofy_> i did sudo chown
replaced-url
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2696 [17:30:10] <goofy_> is there some way to rollback?
2697 [17:30:41] <AndreasLutro> unless you did it with -R, sudo
chown root:root /
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2699 [17:30:51] <lezsakdomi> goofy_: Fortunately you didn't
use -r
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2701 [17:30:58] <scyte> oh god
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2703 [17:31:09] <goofy_> i don't remember
2704 [17:31:14] <goofy_> let me check
2705 [17:31:21] <AndreasLutro> ls -la / would probably tell you
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2707 [17:31:43] <jedix> or history
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2709 [17:32:04] <lezsakdomi> If so, it's just a sudo chown
root:root /
2710 [17:32:05] <goofy_> ok
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2712 [17:32:07] <lezsakdomi> If not...
2713 [17:32:19] <goofy_> the output was too high
2714 [17:32:25] <goofy_> too much lines
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2716 [17:32:51] <pztrick> is /root owned by
replaced-url
2717 [17:32:56] <lezsakdomi> ls -ld /etc
2718 [17:33:08] <JustASlacker> meh
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2720 [17:33:12] <JustASlacker> you broke it
2721 [17:33:16] <goofy_> wait, i'm booting th server
2722 [17:33:36] <lezsakdomi> Doesn't sound good :D
2723 [17:33:38] <JustASlacker> aye
2724 [17:34:30] <scyte> luckily you had backups
2725 [17:34:52] <lezsakdomi> The data isn'nt lost, just the
metadata.
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2731 [17:35:22] <pztrick> can also mount disk on another machine
if it is not encrypted
2732 [17:35:48] <pztrick> possibly get into root from bootloader
also
2733 [17:36:00] <jedix> or reinstall and not format might work too
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2735 [17:36:20] <goofy_> i think the system broken
2736 [17:36:24] <goofy_> it does not boot up
2737 [17:36:44] <goofy_> blinking cursor and a black screen
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2739 [17:36:48] <pztrick> this is physical or cloud server?
2740 [17:36:57] <goofy_> physical
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2742 [17:37:05] <goofy_> it's an hp microserver
2743 [17:37:08] <lezsakdomi> Now comes the emergency way: Get an
other "boot disk" and do a chroot.
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2745 [17:37:35] <pztrick> yea you need to boot from live CD and
inspect hard drive that way... probably easier to copy/reinstall
than try to fix permissions
2746 [17:37:39] <JustASlacker> just reinstall that bitch
2747 [17:37:49] * jelly looks at JustASlacker
2748 [17:37:50] <pztrick> just save any data you need using live
CD
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2750 [17:38:05] <goofy_> i think i will format
2751 [17:38:16] <goofy_> i do not want to get a broken OS
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2753 [17:38:32] <goofy_> oh
2754 [17:38:34] <goofy_> it's booted up
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2757 [17:38:43] <goofy_> but it's asking or a assword
2758 [17:38:47] <lezsakdomi> BTW you should be able to boot
singleuser.
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2761 [17:39:20] <DJDan> With Netatalk AFP, how do i enable full
access to read/write everything in root for a perticular user?
2762 [17:39:43] <goofy_> i can only login as a guest
2763 [17:39:46] <goofy_> let me try with tty
2764 [17:39:50] <lezsakdomi> In meantime I have figured out some
interesting fact (misconfiguration) about the network I'm
using. But I given up again.
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2766 [17:40:09] <lezsakdomi> ip addr:
replaced-url
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2768 [17:40:46] <lezsakdomi> ip route:
replaced-url
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2770 [17:41:21] <rocketman_> between libpam-ldapd and
libnss-ldapd, is there an advantage for either, for authentication
service with ldap/openldap?
2771 [17:41:26] <lezsakdomi> What I don't understand: ping
8.8.8.8 fails with "sendto: Network unreachable"
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2773 [17:41:42] <lezsakdomi> ...and ping 192.168.43.1 succeeds
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2775 [17:42:07] <rocketman_> lezsakdomi: it means there is a
gateway issue likely
2776 [17:42:18] <rocketman_> no access to the internet
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2782 [17:43:00] <lezsakdomi> rocketman_: How could I debug it?
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2784 [17:43:20] <lezsakdomi> Note that I'm IRCing using that
gw, but different machine
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2787 [17:43:49] <jelly> lezsakdomi: just for fun, does ping work
as root?
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2790 [17:43:56] <rocketman_> check the interfaces for that
machine, lezsakdomi
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2793 [17:44:48] <lezsakdomi> I've issued the commands as
root.
2794 [17:44:53] <eb0t> he lezsakdomi whatever device you are going
through to reach 8.8.8.8 has not got a route to 6.6.6.6
2795 [17:44:58] <eb0t> 8.8.8.8
2796 [17:44:59] <goofy_> yes i did use -R
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2799 [17:45:05] <goofy_> i found it in history
2800 [17:45:12] <eb0t> maybe traceroute 8.8.8.8
2801 [17:45:20] <eb0t> see which device it stops at
2802 [17:45:31] <jelly> lezsakdomi: which debian release is this?
2803 [17:45:42] <eb0t> then check on the device how it gets to
8.8.8.8 ..maybe its default gateway is down
2804 [17:46:07] <lezsakdomi> Oookay, the thruth is, that its just
linux :)
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2806 [17:46:18] <jelly> lezsakdomi: then ask in ##linux
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2808 [17:46:40] <lezsakdomi> Ok, I'm going!
2809 [17:46:57] <lezsakdomi> (but first checking your
recommendations :) )
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2811 [17:47:32] <jelly> two default routes and br-lan sounded more
like openwrt/lede than debian
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2813 [17:47:53] <jelly> and those have WEIRD iptables
2814 [17:48:00] <lezsakdomi> jelly: Yes.
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2816 [17:48:04] <eb0t> doesnt matter what distro it is ...its a
routing problem
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2818 [17:48:10] <eb0t> or a firewall problem
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2821 [17:48:51] <eb0t> eg iptables may not allow icmp type 8 out
of the interface
2822 [17:48:52] <lezsakdomi> eb0t & jelly: And iptables could
cause such reaction? :o
2823 [17:49:09] <jelly> eb0t: this channel caters to debian users,
not generic linux users with weird setups
2824 [17:49:47] <jelly> lezsakdomi: they might do anything,
#netfilter would know
2825 [17:50:16] <lezsakdomi> jelly: Thanks!
2826 [17:50:28] <eb0t> iptables can be configured by the users to
drop or allow or reject whatever you like
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2828 [17:51:23] <lezsakdomi> This is why I asked for the meaning
of "sendto: Network unreachable" first :)
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2830 [17:52:03] <eb0t> iptables -A OUTPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 8 -j
DROP
2831 [17:52:23] <eb0t> that rule would stop the user issuing a
ping request out of the interface
2832 [17:52:23] <JustASlacker> the thing is, the problem is with
the device 192.168.43.1
2833 [17:52:41] <JustASlacker> it's your default for wlan and
does not forward your icmp's to 8.8.8.8
2834 [17:52:48] <JustASlacker> you have to check there, why that
is
2835 [17:53:08] <eb0t> try iptables -S
2836 [17:53:30] <eb0t> in fact not worth it as you cant get onto
the device
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2840 [17:53:58] <eb0t> just for curiosity lezsakdomi ..why have
you got so many network interface cards and wifi
2841 [17:53:59] <jelly> eb0t, lezsakdomi, JustASlacker: move this
to a more appropriate channel, please
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2843 [17:54:15] <JustASlacker> I wondered about that too
2844 [17:54:39] <JustASlacker> I see three wlan devices
2845 [17:54:44] <JustASlacker> whats up with that
2846 [17:55:31] <eb0t> maybe its a router of some sort
2847 [17:57:04] <jelly> goofy_: given -R, your permissions are
indeed messed up to the point a restore from backup or reinstall are
simplest things to do
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2850 [17:57:47] <eb0t> ip route get 8.8.8.8 then we can narrow
down the interface being used
2851 [17:58:30] <lezsakdomi> Yes. My setup is for these three
interfaces, to make an "emergency internet source"
working. I'm sharing wifi using my phone. Whis setup worked a
year ago, but now I have something misconfigured, and doesn't
work.
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2854 [17:59:06] <JustASlacker> what is 192.168.43.1 ?
2855 [17:59:27] <eb0t> type ip route get 8.8.8.8 and show the
output
2856 [17:59:34] <jelly> eb0t, JustASlacker: last warning, do
continue helping them in #netfilter or
networking or Linux or an OpenWRT channel, not here
2857 [17:59:58] <eb0t> go to networking lezsakdomi
2858 [18:00:04] <lezsakdomi> Ok
2859 [18:00:16] <goofy_> jelly, it was the dumbest thing in my
life
2860 [18:00:33] <goofy_> when i realized what i did, i was
screaming
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2862 [18:01:13] <jelly> dumb mistakes happen, best thing to do is
learn from them and a) change behaviour b) make backups
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2864 [18:01:53] <goofy_> another dumb thing it was about backup
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2866 [18:02:03] <goofy_> i used to do backup on pendrive
2867 [18:02:08] <goofy_> and my pendrive broken
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2871 [18:03:40] <JustASlacker> there is this old saying: no
backup, no pity
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2874 [18:04:14] <JustASlacker> you could try to reinstall all
packages
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2876 [18:04:33] <JustASlacker> the should fix most of the
permissions
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2878 [18:04:43] <jelly> it's not worth the trouble and
won't fix data
2879 [18:05:03] * JustASlacker nods
2880 [18:05:11] <JustASlacker> probably best to redo from scratch
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3143 [19:43:44] <john_rambo> Hi, facing problem runninmg apt-get
update >>>
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3144 [19:43:45] <john_rambo>
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3146 [19:45:38] <jelly> ouch.
3147 [19:45:42] <jelly> !raspbian
3148 [19:45:43] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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3149 [19:46:03] <jelly> john_rambo: you probably want to ask
there, your repos do not point to debian ^
3150 [19:46:26] <john_rambo> jelly, Okay
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3153 [19:47:31] <jelly> I honestly do not remember ever seeing
leftover files under /var/lib/dpkg/updates/ let alone corrupted
leftover files there
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3158 [19:48:55] <Iridos> there's a first for everything
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3182 [19:58:41] <goofy_> friends
3183 [19:58:50] <goofy_> i need to ask you a weird thing
3184 [19:59:09] <Iridos> yes, it's really a stork bringing
the babies
3185 [19:59:10] <goofy_> i did useradd new user
3186 [19:59:36] <goofy_> but i can't sudo su while i'm
logged from that user
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3189 [19:59:46] <goofy_> i need to switch to the old user and then
sudo su
3190 [19:59:49] <goofy_> what's wrong?
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3195 [20:01:15] <Iridos> well, the only thing wrong is, that
"sudo su" doesn't really make much sense. Either use
sudo <command> or use su, but not both
3196 [20:01:21] <n4dir> the first thing which is wrong is that you
don't use su :-)
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3198 [20:01:53] <n4dir> else you will probably compare the groups
each user is part of, i would guess the group is called sudoers (or
such)
3199 [20:01:54] <Iridos> only some specific users probably defined
in /etc/sudoers get certain additional rights with sudo
3200 [20:02:06] <goofy_> Iridos, in my case, "root" user
does not exist
3201 [20:02:09] <goofy_> i can't do "su"
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3203 [20:02:15] <goofy_> i need sudo su
3204 [20:02:27] <n4dir> then do "passwd", create a
password, and boom
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3206 [20:02:57] <Iridos> there is always a root user
3207 [20:03:06] <FinalX> nobody really needs sudo su, sudo -s or
sudo -i works fine
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3209 [20:03:12] <jelly> goofy_: use just "su" or
"su -" and root's password
3210 [20:03:13] <Iridos> you may not have a password set for the
root user, but the user always exists
3211 [20:03:37] <Iridos> "root" is even hardcoded in
some programs as a name and there is of course always an uid 0
3212 [20:03:42] <jelly> goofy_: or use "sudo -i" with a
user that is a member of the sudo group
3213 [20:03:59] <jelly> sudo su is silly
3214 [20:04:15] <goofy_> ok
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3216 [20:04:29] <goofy_> so, i'll add a password for root
user
3217 [20:04:38] <goofy_> thank you
3218 [20:04:44] <jelly> you will need to be the root user for that
:-)
3219 [20:04:54] <goofy_> ok
3220 [20:04:55] <Iridos> jelly, you could have gone that extra
step to "sudo su seems so seriously silly"
3221 [20:05:04] <jelly> shoosh
3222 [20:05:08] <goofy_> but why "sudo" exists?
3223 [20:05:12] <goofy_> is there some advantage?
3224 [20:05:21] <goofy_> why not to use directly root user?
3225 [20:05:30] <Iridos> you installed it… well, probably
chose to have it installed during the initial system install
3226 [20:05:34] <jelly> !sudo
3227 [20:05:34] <dpkg> [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by
default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me
about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super
user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things
like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with
"username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also
<sudo path>.
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3230 [20:06:17] <mrm> Incidentally, *why* isn't sudo enabled
by default?
3231 [20:06:27] <jelly> why would it be?
3232 [20:06:27] <Iridos> because not everyone wants it
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3236 [20:07:13] <jelly> goofy_, mrm: sudo is designed to allow for
fine-grained permission setting, allowing specific users or groups
to run commands as other specific users (including root)
3237 [20:07:31] <Iridos> there is some choice during the initial
install, though… you then end up with a root user that cannot
be accessed by password and sudo installed
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3239 [20:08:15] <jelly> using it as a catch-all command to run any
command as root, like Ubuntu chose to configure it, is really a
crude underuse of its capabilities
3240 [20:08:25] <FinalX> mrm: yeah because doing it like
ubuntu's lxc image is excellent! instant remote root
exploitability :) we had a user that created an ubuntu lxc container
and it came with user ubuntu, no password and full sudo ALL NOPASSWD
privs by default, within minutes the system had irc bots running on
it from an unknown source
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3243 [20:08:33] <FinalX> (they changed it now..)
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3248 [20:14:06] <jelly> for some reason, deiban installer allows
not setting a root password during installation, and that results in
sudo being installed and the first user being added to sudo group
(giving them access to run any command as root via sudo)
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3253 [20:19:22] <jmcnaught> it only does that in expert mode
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3255 [20:19:44] <n4dir> jelly: though i think that is rather new (
a couple of years). Or i simply didn't recognize it in the past
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3263 [20:23:36] <evilbug> i'm having trouble compiling vim
with lua on stretch, anyone got insight on what lua packages i need
for that?
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3266 [20:25:57] <jmcnaught> evilbug: the vim-nox and vim-gtk
packages are compiled with lua (and other languages)
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3270 [20:28:22] <password2> wait does vim have lua normally?
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3272 [20:29:01] <vizzy_zzz> hi, i just downloaded a livecd image
and bootstarpped a new vm. now that i have played around enough in
the vm, i want to setup my new server. i planned to use a live usb
stick to format another usb stick and copy over the live system to
my new usb stick as a rescue system
3273 [20:29:18] <vizzy_zzz> because i need to tweak some things,
like add zfs support to the live image
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3278 [20:29:56] <vizzy_zzz> so my question is: is there a
'single command' that prepares a harddrive (in my case the
2nd usb stick) with a live system to boot from?
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3281 [20:30:09] <evilbug> jmcnaught: compiling from source
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3283 [20:30:49] <jmcnaught> evilbug: because you need lua support,
or because you need somethign else and also want to make sure lua is
supported? If you just need vim with lua, install the correct
package
3284 [20:30:57] <vizzy_zzz> i cannot use the installer to install
a debian on my 2nd usb stick, because i want it to have a zfs root
too
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3286 [20:31:31] <vizzy_zzz> or is it just prepare stick2 for zfs
and uefi boot, then copy over the whole live system on stick 1
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3298 [20:34:15] <teraflops> vizzy_zzz: use deboostrap. setup your
stuff there and install grub into the usb?
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3303 [20:34:45] <vizzy_zzz> teraflops, yes, so far i got already
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3306 [20:35:14] <vizzy_zzz> but now i have booted a live usb stick
(stick1) and temporary installed zfs support etc (will be lost at
reboot)
3307 [20:35:27] <vizzy_zzz> how do i get the whole stuff to my usb
stick 2?
3308 [20:35:46] <vizzy_zzz> is there a command like
'install-live-system-to-harddisk' ?
3309 [20:35:54] <teraflops> dd? cp -a? rsync?
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3311 [20:36:19] <vizzy_zzz> ah ok, thats what i mean by 'just
copy over the live system to stick2"
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3313 [20:36:35] <teraflops> then setup bootloader
3314 [20:36:40] <vizzy_zzz> yepp
3315 [20:36:59] <teraflops> I think you'll be god to go
3316 [20:37:05] <teraflops> good
3317 [20:37:14] <vizzy_zzz> bootstrapping takes a lot of time to
manually install all the packages again and again
3318 [20:37:36] <teraflops> you can dd partitions too
3319 [20:37:42] <vizzy_zzz> i do that with the server already, the
stick2 will be inside the server as a fallback rescue system
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3321 [20:37:56] <vizzy_zzz> i'm careful with dd
3322 [20:38:18] <vizzy_zzz> or have the disk geometry issues gone?
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3325 [20:38:36] <jonathan_x> Is it common that a grep -r from /
directory crashes a system? Run by unpriviled user.
3326 [20:38:39] <teraflops> if you confuse if with of you're
fucked indeed
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3329 [20:39:04] <teraflops> jonathan_x: define crashed
3330 [20:39:22] <jonathan_x> teraflops: ssh session stops
responding and remote VPS console stops responding.
3331 [20:39:22] <vizzy_zzz> jonathan_x, crashes? or just takes a
lot of time or 'never ends'
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3333 [20:39:43] <jonathan_x> apache also stops responding.
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3337 [20:40:00] <vizzy_zzz> jonathan_n, seems your disk lights are
flickering a lot now
3338 [20:40:04] <jonathan_x> happens twice now with a reboot in
between.
3339 [20:40:10] <teraflops> jonathan_x: maybe the vps ran out of
ram?
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3341 [20:40:39] <teraflops> high io, cpu or similar
3342 [20:40:51] <jonathan_x> that's extremely unlikely, it
has 2GB of swap which is barely uses.
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3344 [20:41:05] <jonathan_x> I suspect it happens because of
accessing a /sys file
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3346 [20:41:15] <teraflops> ram is better than swap
3347 [20:41:23] <jonathan_x> It doesn't immediately crash
3348 [20:41:30] <jonathan_x> It takes a little while and then
freezes instantly.
3349 [20:41:43] <jonathan_x> And completely.
3350 [20:41:50] <vizzy_zzz> you can watch vmstat and top or so,
while its crashing
3351 [20:41:53] <jonathan_x> As if a single file access caused it.
3352 [20:41:56] <vizzy_zzz> and read the kernel logs
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3354 [20:42:14] <teraflops> jonathan_x: does your vps have a
serial terminal?
3355 [20:42:37] <jonathan_x> No I would have to ensure persistent
systemd logs and then check on reboot.
3356 [20:42:43] <jonathan_x> yes that is the console.
3357 [20:42:49] <jonathan_x> That also is frozen right now.
3358 [20:43:17] <jonathan_x> Oh wait it said something.
3359 [20:43:20] <vizzy_zzz> i wonder what happens if grep hits
/proc/kcore or so
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3361 [20:43:27] <vizzy_zzz> or a device
3362 [20:43:45] <jonathan_x> I get the typical 120 seconds blocked
message for lots of processes.
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3365 [20:44:39] <jonathan_x> It actually gives a huge amount of io
errors from /sys even when run as root.
3366 [20:45:01] <jonathan_x> but I squelched those this time.
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3369 [20:45:47] <jonathan_x> It allows me to type, but I
can't log in :p.
3370 [20:46:03] <jonathan_x> So better not try that again... :(.
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3372 [20:46:32] <jonathan_x> The VPS ssd would have no issues with
the search itself...
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3374 [20:47:36] <vizzy_zzz> is it a vm?
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3376 [20:47:52] <jonathan_x> yes
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3385 [20:52:49] <jonathan_x> using --exclude-dir="sys"
and still crashes.
3386 [20:53:08] <vizzy_zzz> exclude /proc and /dev too
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3394 [20:55:18] <kale> hi, i am using an onboard intel graphics
device. when i play a 3D game my cpu goes to 100% is there any way i
can optimize so i get better 3D performance?
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3396 [20:55:29] <A|an> Before I find out by experimentation...can
debian read an android formatted miniSD card?
3397 [20:55:50] <kale> A|an: last i checked android formatted as
ext4
3398 [20:56:03] <A|an> ah! fantastic
3399 [20:56:06] <A|an> thanks
3400 [20:56:34] <FinalX> the other way around works too, can use
ext4 devices perfectly well on android
3401 [20:56:42] <FinalX> (for that reason)
3402 [20:56:52] <FinalX> just stick a ext4-formatted usb-disk in
the otg port and ready to go :)
3403 [20:56:54] <jonathan_x> kale: cpu usage is not always
indicative of bad 3d performance.
3404 [20:57:17] <jonathan_x> kale: it can be indicative of good 3d
performance
3405 [20:57:22] <jonathan_x> kale: but it can also be a linux bug
3406 [20:57:31] <kale> jonathan_x: that is true, but i would
expect the graphics hardware to be the bottle neck
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3408 [20:57:47] <jonathan_x> proc and sys excluded still crashes
but I am doing 2 greps at the same time :p.
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3413 [20:59:15] <vizzy_zzz> jonathan_n use grep -v and see where
it crashes
3414 [20:59:20] <vizzy_zzz> at what file
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3416 [21:01:13] <jonathan_x> ok
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3418 [21:01:25] <jonathan_x> proc sys and dev excluded still
crashes, if at least grep takes multiple params
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3422 [21:01:52] <jonathan_x> If I had to do this on a hardware
machine I'd be f.....ed
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3434 [21:07:17] <jonathan_x> erm, grep -v does the reverse query
3435 [21:07:21] <jonathan_x> That was a bad idea.
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3437 [21:07:24] <jonathan_x> I wondered what was wrong.
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3452 [21:13:55] <jonathan_x> I know it's a lot of IO. But now
doing it with find and it didn't crash on /sys
3453 [21:14:09] <jonathan_x> But because of the ssh link which is
now the bottleneck maybe it just locked up because of IO
3454 [21:14:23] <jonathan_x> Which is bad enough in itself, any
user can crash the system.
3455 [21:14:32] <jonathan_x> It's effectively a denial of
service attack.
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3458 [21:15:17] <jonathan_x> But I'm gonna quit doing this...
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3470 [21:19:04] <petemc> jonathan_x: can you try it with LC_ALL=C
grep..
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3484 [21:24:57] <jonathan_x> petemc: No I'm done.
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3502 [21:32:12] <troulouliou_dev> i i have an old htpc running on
debian 8 with an nvidia gt218 ION (1) card
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3504 [21:32:24] <troulouliou_dev> is the driver in deban 9
compatible with this card ?
3505 [21:32:36] <troulouliou_dev> iirc nvidia dropped support in
latest versions
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3509 [21:35:53] <teraflops> you dont like nouveau?
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3511 [21:36:10] <SuperTramp83> ^
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3536 [21:46:39] <ZSky> grep "buffer.*?&" *
3537 [21:46:41] <ZSky> doesn't work
3538 [21:46:44] <ZSky> doesn't grep accept regex?
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3549 [21:52:27] <jonathan_x> This is unbelievable, I purge a
package so I can reinstall it and it will install its config file
again, and it deleted the .bak file I just created.
3550 [21:52:52] <jonathan_x> Apparently using a wildcard to delete
something...
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3564 [21:56:20] <jonathan_x> It really neve takes long before the
system does something evil again...
3565 [21:56:46] <Rebitterate> As in?
3566 [21:57:04] <alnet> install windows 10?
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3569 [21:57:34] <neeb> How do I view a running java program using
the terminal? I want it to show the output I see when I run
"java -jar file.jar", but without rerunning the app
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3572 [21:58:09] <jonathan_x> You cannot.
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3575 [21:58:16] <alnet> pgrep
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3579 [21:59:12] <jonathan_x> As in making a backup, then purging
the package, and then the purge removes the backup.
3580 [21:59:30] <jonathan_x> Because I happened to name it
.conf.bak
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3582 [21:59:33] <alnet> --dry-run
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3587 [22:00:12] <jonathan_x> Well we don't have time to walk
on eggshells all of the time but I'll take it into acount ;-).
3588 [22:00:36] <Rebitterate> Computer systems are eggshells all
over ;)
3589 [22:00:55] <ahmed751995> excuse me , when i open a file in mc
i can't open another file till i close the first one , i
searched on google and i found that the problem because of xdg-open
so any one have a solution ?
3590 [22:00:56] <cpn_zoom> or configure apt to take a btrfs
snapshot before installing or removing anything.
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3601 [22:04:15] <jonathan_x> There is no verbose option for
--dry-run so that didn't make sense.
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3603 [22:04:35] <jonathan_x> (I wish people wouldn't
recommend stuff they don't know if it works...)
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3608 [22:06:04] <teraflops> jonathan_x: I've reading you for
some days and you do crazy stuff like mixing releases and whatnot.
so I dont think your talking seriously, all I see there is pebcak
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3610 [22:07:06] <teraflops> an incredibly amount of pebcaks and
them you're blaming anything but you
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3612 [22:07:43] <teraflops> no offense intended it's just
I'm starting to get bored with your conversation
3613 [22:07:50] <jonathan_x> what the hell is pebcak
3614 [22:08:10] <Ormu1> hello
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3616 [22:08:22] <Ormu1> apt-get displayed this during an upgrade:
replaced-url
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3618 [22:08:31] <Ormu1> I assume this is normal, or is it?
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3620 [22:08:48] <jonathan_x> I would say upgrading to stretch in
one go is a lot crazier by the way
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3623 [22:09:18] <jonathan_x> losing php 5, having to install
several packages directly from upstream because they are no longer
in Debian, etc.
3624 [22:09:23] <eschmidbauer> is there a way to force 777 when
writing to an NFS mount?
3625 [22:09:32] <jonathan_x> So I don't see what's crazy
about upgrading selectively instead of in one go.
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3627 [22:09:47] <jonathan_x> If you do it in one go half your
system might be inoperational for weeks.
3628 [22:09:54] <jonathan_x> I call that crazy.
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3630 [22:10:53] <jonathan_x> eschmidbauer: No it is done by the
writing application not the server, so you have to use regular umode
3631 [22:11:12] <teraflops> eschmidbauer: chown upper dir to 777?
3632 [22:11:44] <teraflops> -R obv
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3637 [22:15:21] <Maid-Chan> is there a good gui for mounting cd
images?
3638 [22:15:42] <nvz> neeb: /proc/<pid>/fd/1 is stdout and 2
is stderror
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3643 [22:16:55] <teraflops> Maid-Chan: for seeing its content?
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3646 [22:17:15] <teraflops> what about a file browser?
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3650 [22:17:41] <Maid-Chan> for using it as if it were a physical
cd
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3652 [22:18:12] <nvz> Maid-Chan: mount -o loop -t iso9660
/path/to/cd.iso /path/to/mount/point
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3654 [22:18:18] <nvz> xterm is a great gui for that
3655 [22:18:20] <nvz> :P
3656 [22:18:24] <teraflops> mount -o loop it
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3660 [22:19:26] <Maid-Chan> i have people who cant apparently wrap
their heads around CLI.
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3662 [22:20:00] <nvz> Maid-Chan: it would be REAL easy to script
using zenity, yad, or such
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3665 [22:20:21] <nvz> for $100 I'll sell em one :P
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3671 [22:21:17] <jasabella> hi :)
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3673 [22:21:58] <nvz> jasabella: greetings fellow traveller, what
can we do you for? hopefully no more than the $100 I make for a
one-line script :P
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3678 [22:22:12] <Maid-Chan> so i got an error that the mountpoint
doesn't exist...
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3681 [22:22:34] <nvz> Maid-Chan: mkdir -p /path/to/mountpoint
3682 [22:22:36] <jasabella> i'm running a headless server,
what's the minimum set of packages i need to have x11
forwarding over ssh?
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3685 [22:23:15] <jasabella> xdummy xvfb
3686 [22:23:16] <jasabella> hmmm
3687 [22:23:22] <nvz> jasabella: the ssh server package.
3688 [22:23:37] <teraflops> Maid-Chan: well gnome-shell has a
context menu option called something like: open with disk image
mounter
3689 [22:23:49] <teraflops> at least 3.26
3690 [22:23:52] <jasabella> i dont have any x11 packages installed
3691 [22:24:25] <nvz> jasabella: you don't need any to
forward and run x clients on another machine.. or do you mean what
do you need on the client side?
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3693 [22:24:54] <jasabella> hmmm
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3698 [22:25:50] <neeb> nvz: how do I output
/proc/<pid>/fd/1? Sorry I'm a noob
3699 [22:26:27] <nvz> neeb: well you can use cat to dump the whole
thing, less or more to view it page by page, tail to see a given
amount of lines at the end, a text editor.. etc
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3701 [22:26:55] <nvz> neeb: less -S +F /file to view it in real
time
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3704 [22:27:20] <nvz> neeb: <pid> needs to be replaced with
the process id of the app you want to view
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3706 [22:27:46] <neeb> Yes, I have the process id, replaced it
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3708 [22:28:17] <nvz> neeb: the less -S +F is probably what you
want as it keeps the file open showing new lines written to it
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3712 [22:30:07] <nvz> neeb: also worth noting is strace which is
an optional package you may need to install, strace can be attached
to a PID and used to intercept and view/log all the signals and
calls between the app and the kernel. Very useful for debugging
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3714 [22:30:40] <neeb> nvz: less -S -F /proc/<pid>/fd/1?
3715 [22:30:46] <cpn_zoom> jasabella: if you install the x
programs you want to run on the server it will install its
dependencies automatically.
3716 [22:30:50] <nvz> neeb: +F
3717 [22:31:10] <jasabella> cpn_zoom... yeah, i just dont want
-everything-
3718 [22:31:14] <neeb> +F, sorry, yes. It says that
/proc/<pid>/fd/1 is not a regular file (use -f to see it)
3719 [22:31:16] <nvz> neeb: you may be used to using - but some
apps use - to turn something off and + to turn it on
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3721 [22:31:49] <teraflops> jasabella: sorry but if you install
lets say firefox, you have to install firefox and its deps
3722 [22:31:50] <cpn_zoom> jasabella: you do need all the
dependencies for each program you want to run.
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3724 [22:32:19] <cpn_zoom> but that doesn't include all the
x11 server stuff, just the client libraries.
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3728 [22:32:35] <cpn_zoom> and gui toolkit libraries and whatever
else the program uses.
3729 [22:32:39] <nvz> neeb: ah right well the file is probably
already a socket, so try adding -f
3730 [22:32:48] <teraflops> xorg is nothing compared to many
programs btw
3731 [22:32:52] <cpn_zoom> true.
3732 [22:33:16] <teraflops> I dont see why people is that picky
about installing stuff
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3738 [22:34:24] <nvz> !be installing stuff barbie
3739 [22:34:24] <dpkg> But installing stuff is soooooo hard! :`(
Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry*
3740 [22:34:54] <neeb> nvz: Thank you! That worked. I am still
learning, thanks for helping
3741 [22:35:12] <mmp> Hello; I have a weird problem with recent
debian unstable; I have /etc/fstab entry for my external USB hard
drive, but although /dev/sdb (the usb disk) gets recognized, the
partitions on it are not.
3742 [22:35:42] <jasabella> like i dont need
xserver-xorg-video-cirrus
3743 [22:35:42] <mmp> if I manually run something that forces
partition re-read, everything starts to work, otherwise the system
hangs waiting for /dev/sdb1 to become available
3744 [22:36:00] <nvz> neeb: not a problem linux generally takes
the approach of making everything a file, so learning the filesystem
and the tools to manipulate files is key. See the FHS for an
explaination of the filesystem and you want to learn where different
types of files are kept and about special files in /proc /sys and
/dev especially
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3746 [22:36:17] <cpn_zoom> jasabella: does the program you want to
install have that listed as a dependency?
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3748 [22:36:40] <jasabella> xserver-xorg pulls it in?
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3751 [22:36:51] <mmp> oops, debian testing
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3754 [22:37:05] <nvz> neeb: read up on the basic file utils via
their manpages, cp, mv, chmod, chown, ls, cd, cat, grep, less, sed,
cut, tr, nano or vi, etc are key to learn
3755 [22:37:15] <cpn_zoom> but you shouldn't need
xserver-xorg on a headless server?
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3759 [22:38:38] <nvz> cpn_zoom: you don't need anything but
what the app depends on. for example you could install the tiger vnc
server or ssh and run the apps remotely without an X server at all,
you just need the libs and other deps of the app
3760 [22:38:43] <teraflops> jasabella: you just need xorg or
something that provides it
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3762 [22:39:01] <teraflops> a dummy whatever package like the one
you posted above
3763 [22:39:09] <jasabella> teraflops... that's what i'm
aiming for
3764 [22:39:12] <neeb> nvz: Thanks!
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3766 [22:39:30] <teraflops> anyway xorg is nothing regarding size
3767 [22:39:45] <teraflops> but whatever float yout goat
3768 [22:39:49] <teraflops> your^
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3770 [22:40:10] <teraflops> sorry for the typos
3771 [22:40:20] <Ormu1> apt-get displayed this during an upgrade:
replaced-url
3772 [22:40:28] <Ormu1> I assume this is normal, or is it? :o
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3774 [22:41:09] <nvz> neeb: no problem I think this is the first
thing new users should grasp at least vaguely because it makes one
understand programming and administering linux is much easier than
say windows, there is no big mystery, everything is just a file, you
can read directly from /dev/input/mice to see your mouse movements
and write directly to /dev/fb0 to your framebuffer just like normal
files, you dont need to know any
3775 [22:41:15] <nvz> complex API/ABI you just access everything
like a normal file
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3778 [22:41:42] <nvz> neeb: I forgot to mention echo, which is
also useful for writing to files. Like applying settings by echoing
them to files in /sys/ for example
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3781 [22:42:59] <jasabella> nvz... thaks for remindng me, i need
to log back in and get that strace log to some guys at work haha
3782 [22:43:45] <nvz> neeb: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp for
example redirects uniform random data from the kernel to the default
OSS sound device for example, the effect of which is white noise
from the speakers.. a simple sound test. Most anything that is
complicated on other systems is pretty easy on linux because
everything is a file
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3789 [22:45:37] <neeb> nvz: Okay, I memod everything you said!
Thanks! I'll look more into those
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3791 [22:46:22] <nvz> I should write a beginners guide to the
linux filesystem with some examples and basic bash scripting and
link to greycat's wiki. I firmly believe learning the
filesystem is the key to becomming a linux power user and its really
simple to grasp
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3796 [22:47:57] <cpn_zoom> nvz: does a standard debian install
even have /dev/dsp? isn't that a oss thing?
3797 [22:48:07] <neeb> nvz: any guide you would recommend?
3798 [22:48:40] <jonathan_x> jasabella: Will not every GUI
application automatically cause the relevant xorg files to be
installed?
3799 [22:48:50] <nvz> cpn_zoom: you can load oss compat drivers, I
just found that example simpler as alsa devices are slightly more
complicated
3800 [22:49:03] <jonathan_x> jasabella: I mean you want forwarding
for a reason and that reason might have dependencies for xorg
3801 [22:49:13] <nvz> neeb: not offhand but as I said I think I
should write one
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3828 [23:00:09] <jonfatino> hello debian 8 livecd does anyone know
how to give ip config more than 15 seconds to respond
3829 [23:00:18] <jonfatino> is there some kernel paramater to make
that 30 seconds?
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3838 [23:01:58] <lokus> hi.. i'm finding that i don't
have certain sysfs battery files on my debian machine? like
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_now for example. any idea?
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3841 [23:02:23] <lokus> deb 8.9 kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64
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3851 [23:07:39] <teraflops> jonfatino: if youre not getting an ip
in 15 seconds you have bigger problems
3852 [23:07:56] <teraflops> set up a fixed one instead
3853 [23:08:03] <JohnA> I am setting up a new debian server, i am
partitioning the disks - is it still considered a"good"
idea to have seperate partitions for root, home, var, srv and tmp.
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3860 [23:09:41] <ee> Hello everyone. Is there any package to
install if I want to burn an ISO file to USB?
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3863 [23:10:22] <turbo64> ee: you don't need to install
anything
3864 [23:10:22] <Brigo> lokus, why do you think you should have
them?
3865 [23:10:22] <teraflops> separated partition for /tmp? even var
may end being a problem and /home at a server could be useless
dependeing on your needs
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3867 [23:10:33] <ChmEarl> ee nothing. Its only `cp -a`
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3869 [23:10:44] <turbo64> use dd if=filename.iso of=sdX bs=4M
3870 [23:11:01] <ee> turbo64: I'm going to burn windows to
USB, and it doesn't seem to work with dd nor cp
3871 [23:11:22] <lokus> Brigo: i see references to them when
googling, looks like they should be standard sysfs files provided by
the kernel. i have a script for my tmux that uses that file to
display battery charge level
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3873 [23:11:55] <format_c> JohnA, on a Server the only thing that
I could think of being useful is the directory root where the main
application is located
3874 [23:11:56] <Brigo> lokus, maybe kernel too old, or battery
not supported well enough.
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3877 [23:12:04] <turbo64> ee: theres a program called winusb that
works with windows isos
3878 [23:12:13] <format_c> So that with a reinstallation of the
server, the application parts doesn't need to be touched.
3879 [23:12:29] <format_c> On a desktop system, I have a different
opinion.
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3883 [23:12:57] <jonfatino> is there any way to make livecd force
retry of dhcp?
3884 [23:13:06] <jonfatino> instead of failing and dropping to
initramfs
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3886 [23:13:18] <itpoc> Hi everyone. According to
replaced-url
3887 [23:13:30] <turbo64> ee: failing that, you can do it manually
this way:
replaced-url
3888 [23:13:33] <teraflops> JohnA: lvm or btrfs + subvolumes look
saner to me
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3890 [23:14:07] <turbo64> you have to partition the drive, give it
an ntfs partition, write the mbr with ms-sys, nad copy all the iso
files over
3891 [23:14:08] <Brigo> jonfatino, it will retry in some time
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3900 [23:16:35] <ee> turbo64: I'll try Unetbootin
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3904 [23:17:16] <jonfatino> Brigo: Negative
replaced-url
3905 [23:17:16] <jonfatino>
replaced-url
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3909 [23:17:33] <JohnA> teraflops, sep /tmp permission can be set
to disallow thhng like exec, if something bad runs the space
consumed can be limited ...
3910 [23:17:44] <jonfatino> It appears debian 8 livecd on this
server takes a while for eth0 to come online
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3913 [23:19:25] <JohnA> using bust lvm does not seem to be
available
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3916 [23:19:57] <Brigo> jonfatino, if you are in the initramfs,
tell us, you are not using a standar dhcp client.
3917 [23:20:38] <teraflops> JohnA: I dont think /tmp in separated
partition is a good idea unless you explain your reasons
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3919 [23:21:48] <jonfatino> Brigo: its livecd it boots kernal +
initramfs and then starts dhcp gets ip and then wgets
filesystem.squashfs
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3921 [23:22:04] <format_c> teraflops, I have a separate /tmp
partition. Reason: FS=ext2 I don't need any data integrity on
that FS. Just speed.
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3927 [23:22:18] <JohnA> teraflops, as said permission can be set
that limit activity, noexec ...
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3930 [23:22:40] <JohnA> format_c, good point
3931 [23:23:21] <Brigo> jonfatino, i have never used the live, i
think you are right. I would try to use a fixed ip as you were told.
3932 [23:23:23] <dario_> hi everybody
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3934 [23:23:43] <itpoc> Okay, it looks like icinga has replaced
nagios. Sometimes all you need is to ask the question before the
answer becomes apparent.
3935 [23:23:54] <format_c> Moreover it makes sense to have
separate partitions when you have mixed type hard disk drives.
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3937 [23:24:01] <JohnA> I am assmming var is local data, /svr is
served data
3938 [23:24:32] <format_c> E.g. 1TB traditional drive, <1TB SSD
drive.
3939 [23:24:36] <teraflops> JohnA: you do not need a partition for
ding so
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3941 [23:24:41] <teraflops> doing^
3942 [23:24:55] <JohnA> dds are 5 3tb raid 10 4 active + 1 spare
3943 [23:25:04] <itpoc> JohnA: The purpose of various directories
is documented in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard v2.3, which is
available online.
3944 [23:25:34] <jonathan_x> I think I've literally saved all
the config of my server and all the rest was already automatically
regenerated :p.
3945 [23:26:02] <format_c> I'd put the permanent data onto
the traditionaly disk using a well journaled FS like e.g.ext4. the
operating system I'd put to the SSD using a differnt SSD
friendly file system like btrfs.
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3947 [23:26:15] <dario_> I need some help about a hdd, it died day
ago; I removed it form notebook and put into a USB3 case, if I plug
it the systme recognized it but no partitions are mounted; I had a
lot of data on it, I recovered all by dumping a entire partition
with ddrescue (690 GB) and the mounting the img in loop; now I want
to try recovering all disk, may be there is somethingf to do about?
3948 [23:26:26] <format_c> I already burned a SSD using ext4 on
it.
3949 [23:27:04] <JohnA> itpoc, I understand that, but what is good
practice in divying up the physical space to provide the
"best" + "safest" config
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3951 [23:27:10] <format_c> and then /tmp to the traditional disk
using a loose journaled FS like ext2
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3953 [23:27:14] <teraflops> jonathan_x: btw if you create a custom
fie inside a directory owned by a package and you delete the
package, the dir wont be deleted and the custom file wont be erased
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3957 [23:27:45] <jonathan_x> teraflops: problem was the scripts
apparently automatically delete .bak files in case the package made
that.
3958 [23:27:49] <teraflops> tmp is tmpfs this days
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3960 [23:28:04] <jonathan_x> teraflops: I happened to make exactly
that as a backup ;-).
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3962 [23:28:27] <teraflops> jonathan_x: idk, looked at uninstall
script from the package?
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3965 [23:28:47] <jonathan_x> no time for that, maybe apt does that
itself.
3966 [23:29:02] <teraflops> then yore just guessing
3967 [23:29:06] <teraflops> youre^
3968 [23:29:19] <format_c> teraflops, really. Even if you do the
guided "use the whole disk" wizard during installation?
Wouldn't this even require a separate /tmp partition?
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3970 [23:30:33] <cpn_zoom> with iptables, can i log the cgroup
path or id of the process that is trying to send a packet? there is
a cgroup module that can match the id or path, so the information is
clearly available to iptables.
3971 [23:31:05] <teraflops> format_c: type "mount"
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3973 [23:31:11] <cpn_zoom> (kernel 4.9.30-2+deb9u5)
3974 [23:31:20] <format_c> On my system /run and some other
directories are mounted as tmpfs. But not /tmp. Of course maybe
because I use a dedicated partition.
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3977 [23:31:53] <teraflops> fair enough
3978 [23:32:15] <teraflops> by default is uses tmpfs and not dedi
partition
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3980 [23:32:47] <format_c> so when I next time reinstall my
computer, I just leave out the /tmp partion (include it in /) and it
will be a ramdisk?
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3983 [23:32:51] <format_c> automatically?
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3991 [23:38:01] <format_c> teraflops, ?
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3993 [23:38:45] <teraflops> I told you so 3 times
3994 [23:42:14] <format_c> Thanks. Just wanted to get it right.
Again learned something. Thanks.
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3998 [23:46:09] <jonathan_x> teraflops: I don't have this
addiction that I need to solve every puzzle that comes my way.
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4008 [23:51:31] <gunix> cani somehow get involved to package lxd
for debian? it's really an awesome container software
4009 [23:51:43] <ee> So anyone got a nice guide on how to install
Windows + debian on same harddrive?
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4015 [23:54:34] <format_c> ee, first install debian. Manually
partition (leave space for the Windows installation). Then install
Windows using the free space. Then start Debian (live) and reinstall
grub into your hard disk.
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4018 [23:56:06] <ee> format_c: oh okey, sounds simple & legit
4019 [23:56:57] <format_c> Before doing that, note down the
commands to reinstall grub into the MBR, since you may have not a
web browser to google for it at this stage.
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4021 [23:57:51] <format_c> The issue is that Windows overrides the
MBR w/o asking.
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4024 [23:58:19] <ee> format_c:
replaced-url
4025 [23:58:28] <format_c> while not providing a appropriate boot
manager detecting Linux installation
4026 [23:58:28] <ee> format_c: ok
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4029 [23:59:08] <format_c> you have a UEFI BIOS?
4030 [23:59:50] <ee> format_c: yes
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