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108[01:13:12] <notreal> what is the difference between
firmware-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso vs debian-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso ?
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113[01:19:29] <klys> notreal, the firmware one is more likely to
work with your wifi
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117[01:21:15] <notreal-> many thanks
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142[01:40:25] <mnuhmnuh> anyone have anything to say about
pekwm? never heard of it before. appears lightweight.
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215[02:06:53] <michael2> does debian have any wiki or
explanation on how to install sqlite?
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439[02:23:40] <mnuhmnuh> michael2: wiki.debian.org
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442[02:24:40] <michael2> there doesn't seem to be a wiki
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443[02:24:42] <mnuhmnuh> michael2: sqlite is very easy to
install and get up and working.
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446[02:25:43] <michael2> how do you list tables ?
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447[02:26:11] <michael2> nvm, its .tables
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451[02:35:01] <michael2> has anyone contributed to the debian
wiki? is the process difficult?
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457[02:39:24] <mnuhmnuh> michael2: i do all the time. _lots_ of
it is out of date and plain wrong, but lots remains that's
useful. all volunteer effort.
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459[02:40:21] <michael2> mnuhmnuh: is it easy? is the
documentation that explains how the process work?
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462[02:41:05] <mnuhmnuh> michael2: no, it's not at all
difficult. find, or create, a page, click edit, and instructions on
wiki syntax is right there.
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463[02:41:07] <michael2> sorry, I meant is *there* documentation
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464[02:41:29] <michael2> do you need access rights?
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466[02:42:03] <mnuhmnuh> yes, all wikis have intro stuff
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468[02:42:38] <mnuhmnuh> username and pword. verified by email.
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469[02:44:16] <michael2> cool :) so once you get an account, if
you want to edit or create a page, you just login, and make your
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470[02:44:29] <mnuhmnuh> yup.
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472[02:45:55] <mnuhmnuh> i just read one this am re debian-edu
& buster. debian-edu's looking pretty slick.
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474[02:47:14] <michael2> which one? I am just found this:
replaced-url
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479[02:51:35] <mnuhmnuh>
replaced-url
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482[02:51:53] <mnuhmnuh> really nicely done.
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495[02:56:36] <CarlFK> install to an ssd /dev/nvme0n1 - when it
reboots "insert boot media" I have a minimal installer on
a thumb drive - how do I get to a prompt so I can try installing
grub?
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501[02:57:23] <mnuhmnuh> michael2: btw, if you allow your
browser to store cookies, you can stay logged into the wiki, even
over re-boots. the wiki will remember you're logged in.
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504[02:58:35] <michael2> you will have no choice but to allow
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506[02:59:12] <mnuhmnuh> CarlFK: i have to hit ESC key to bring
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515[02:59:54] <mnuhmnuh> CarlFK: 10 y. old hp tower.
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522[03:00:43] <CarlFK> mnuhmnuh: I can boot from the stick, but
it launchs the installer - I need to append someting like:
rescue=true
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523[03:01:21] <mnuhmnuh> CarlFK: try debian live?
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524[03:01:40] <CarlFK> I don't have that handy
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527[03:02:09] <mnuhmnuh> can you alt-N and get to a cli?
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532[03:02:57] <johnfg_> hi folks
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533[03:03:23] <rarity_> Hi
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534[03:03:41] <johnfg_> I'm still logged onto a machine at
the office. The history on that login isn't showing up from my
remote login. How can I read that history?
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536[03:04:06] <rarity_> Just shutdown my system accidentally
with a command. Now I know what the command: init 0 does. haha
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539[03:04:38] <rarity_> Which history johnfg_?
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540[03:05:17] <mnuhmnuh> rarity_: and from single-user mode,
init N will take the box up into that level.
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541[03:05:52] <mnuhmnuh> johnfg_: journalctl?
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542[03:06:18] <rarity_> SSH login history?
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544[03:06:46] <johnfg_> mnuhmnuh: That might do it, I'll
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545[03:07:04] <CarlFK> im guessing bash history
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546[03:07:20] <rarity_> Yeah wasn't explained clearly
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547[03:08:07] <mnuhmnuh> history of the login creation or
history of what's been done in it?
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609[03:53:39] <dka> I have issue when I do apt-get update from
inside a docker container
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610[03:53:44] <dka> W: GPG error:
replaced-url
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620[03:58:59] <KNERD> dka: sounds like a docker issue, maybe
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631[04:06:59] <KNERD> dka: you may want to ask them about the
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633[04:08:46] <dka> ok
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634[04:08:56] <dka> I have docker rm -fr / and it got sovled
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638[04:09:29] <michael2> I thought with docker you preloaded
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639[04:12:50] <KNERD> i never messed with docker, so I am not
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806[06:21:51] <buu> Can someone explain why installing
replaced-url
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812[06:24:39] <ChmEarl> buu, --no-install-recommends can block
qemu-utils install
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813[06:25:04] <ChmEarl> ^^ qemu pulls in wayland?
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814[06:25:11] <buu> Oh, wow
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815[06:25:27] <buu> ChmEarl: I thought the point of recommends
was to be optional..
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817[06:25:42] <buu> ChmEarl: I assume it's virt-viewer
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819[06:26:07] <buu> What's the difference between
recommended and suggested?
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829[06:44:04] <Raybih> Mormons also believe that there are other
gods and goddesses outside the Godhead, such as a Heavenly Mother
who is the wife of God the Father, and that faithful Mormons may
attain godhood in the afterlife. Oneness Pentecostalism defines
salvation as repentance, full-submersion water baptism (in the name
of Jesus Christ) and baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence
of speaking in other
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830[06:44:06] <Raybih> tongues.
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837[06:50:28] <buu> In the debian install via serial console
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838[06:50:33] <buu> How do you access the other pages?
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839[06:50:40] <buu> [ (1*installer) 2 shell 3 shell 4- log ][
Jul 20 4:50 ]
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866[07:15:34] <ozzloy> is there a vanilla choice on debian 9
between apt apt-get aptitude?
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869[07:16:30] <rant> buu: no experience with it but I doubt
thats possible, if it were chvt command would prob be the only way
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871[07:17:02] <rant> buu: serial terminals are not virtual
terminals so you prob can't switch without something like
screen
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873[07:19:27] <rant> !d-i
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875[07:19:35] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch is now the
"stable" Debian release. See
replaced-url
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876[07:19:59] <rant> maybe try that installer support channel
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879[07:20:34] <rant> ozzloy: apt and apt-get should be installed
use/install whatever you like
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883[07:22:05] <ozzloy> i want to use whatever is the most
supported, i guess. so far i haven't found a difference between
them in my direct use, so i want to use whichever one has the most
eyes on it
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884[07:22:24] <rant> all of them are well supported
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885[07:22:42] <ozzloy> k, i won't worry about it then.
thanks rant
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886[07:22:50] <rant> and they're all different
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887[07:23:08] <ozzloy> yeah, i figured they're all
different
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888[07:23:13] <rant> aptitude has more advanced searching,
conflict resolution and an interactive browser
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889[07:23:34] <rant> apt has sorting of output, auto-install
recommends...etc
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890[07:23:43] <ozzloy> but as far as i've used them,
they're close enough that i don't see a clear winner
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891[07:23:45] <rant> apt-get and apt-cache is the most
legacy/vanilla
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892[07:23:55] <rant> apt incorporates apt-cache
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894[07:24:21] <ozzloy> kk
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895[07:24:44] <ozzloy> how about sudo vs su, is one of those the
"won't get fired for choosing that one" option?
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896[07:25:14] <ayekat> AFAIK apt-get/apt-cache is guaranteed not
to change the interface, so it can be used for scripts, whereas apt
is meant to be more "interactive-friendly"
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897[07:25:15] <rant> su just changes user on a shell, sudo is
more advanced, can have specific policies and such
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898[07:25:28] <ozzloy> actually, never mind, i have noticed a
difference between them and i prefer sudo
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899[07:25:38] <ozzloy> cool
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900[07:25:45] <rant> sometimes they're used in combination
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902[07:25:53] <rant> like when root account is disabled
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903[07:25:56] <ayekat> it's different things, there is no
real A vs B with sudo/su, though
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904[07:26:17] <rant> theyre all different things or there
wouldnt be different commands :P
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905[07:26:40] <ozzloy> i'm writing a script, and on some
lines i could either do su -c command -m user, or sudo -u user
command
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906[07:26:46] <rant> we could do this all day dd/rsync/cp/mv ..
etc
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907[07:26:58] <ayekat> well, sometimes you get half a dozen
netcat implementations, but yeah, otherwise you're right, I
guess ^^
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908[07:27:42] <ozzloy> one last thing, toilet paper rolls top
towards user, or bottom towards user?
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909[07:27:49] <ozzloy> which one is best, and why?
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910[07:27:51] <rant> su will always require the password of user
who you're suing to and will fail if that user has no password
or account is disabled unless it's root doing the suing
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911[07:28:03] <rant> sudo however can be configured to work any
number of ways
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914[07:28:21] <rant> and its up to the user how they configure
their sudo
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915[07:28:34] <rant> thas why most howtos say sudo
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916[07:28:48] <ozzloy> rant, but what about the toilet paper
rolling direction?
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918[07:29:03] <rant> cause it has site-specific config that is
customizable
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919[07:29:06] <ozzloy> i've chosen sudo
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921[07:29:20] <rant> tp depends on if you have cats or not I
guess
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922[07:29:50] <ayekat> ozzloy:
replaced-url
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923[07:30:27] <ozzloy> oh, that's interesting! cats would
have more trouble with one direction
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926[07:30:43] <ozzloy> i didn't think there was an actual
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927[07:31:02] <ozzloy> ayekat, lol, yeah, that's a good one
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928[07:31:27] <ozzloy> i have a housemate who often gets a
second roll and puts it on top of the first one
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929[07:31:42] <ozzloy> before the one that's in the thing
is out
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930[07:32:04] <ozzloy> he doesn't talk much
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932[07:32:28] <ozzloy> i barely even see him. so i haven't
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966[07:51:21] <ujjain> E: Package 'openjdk-8-jdk' has
no installation candidate - Jessie. What does this maen?
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972[07:52:05] <michael2> it means its not in your index
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1000[08:13:47] <zentris> Still can't make an account on
wiki.debian.org, getting Account creation failed, To prevent
spam..sent an email to wiki@debian.org with no response so far
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1001[08:14:04] <zentris> Was hoping to submit a theme on Call for
proposals for buster
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1028[08:48:03] <gkwhc> anyone familar with systemd unit files? im
trying to run powertop automatically on boot, with a few extra post
commands. however the post commands dont seem to be executing at all
:/
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1029[08:48:44] <michael2> did you try starting the unit manually?
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1030[08:49:53] <gkwhc> michael2: yep stop start and also reload
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1031[08:50:08] <michael2> what does log say?
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1034[08:51:11] <gkwhc> michael2: all executed with code 0 success
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1036[08:52:14] <gkwhc> michael2: perhaps im missing something?
replaced-url
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1037[08:52:14] <michael2> so the commands are only failing on
system boot?
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1038[08:52:39] <gkwhc> first two execstartposts have no effect
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1039[08:52:46] <gkwhc> but the third executes fine
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1040[08:52:54] <michael2> yeah, you can't use shell syntax
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1041[08:53:05] <gkwhc> ?
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1043[08:53:29] <michael2> this:
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1044[08:53:36] <michael2> /bin/echo 'on' >
'/sys/bus/usb/devices/2-1.5/power/control'
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1046[08:53:43] <michael2> is invalid
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1047[08:53:50] <gkwhc> oh
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1048[08:54:06] <michael2> not sure why the 2nd one is failing
though
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1049[08:55:00] <gkwhc> so if the first is invalid, how should one
go about it?
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1050[08:55:03] <michael2> can you change the 2nd ExecStartPost to
this:
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1051[08:56:05] <michael2> ExecStartPost=/bin/bash -c
"/bin/echo on >
/sys/bus/usb/devices/2-1.5/power/control"
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1052[08:57:26] <michael2> as for the 2nd command: maybe just try
it in a shell - does it work there?
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1054[08:58:21] <gkwhc> cool, i'll try the first one. and
with regards to the 2nd, yes it works in a shell
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1055[08:59:12] <michael2> you'll have to reload the service
- systemctl daemon-reload
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1056[08:59:19] <michael2> too
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1057[08:59:33] <michael2> you probably knew that
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1059[08:59:55] <gkwhc> yep ive reloaded and restarted
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1060[09:00:23] <gkwhc> unfortunately the echo command didnt have
an effect
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1061[09:00:29] <gkwhc> not sure if its because of powertop
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1064[09:01:04] <klys> it's not in a shell? you probably need
sh -c to handle >
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1065[09:01:44] <klys> are you using sh -c ?
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1069[09:02:34] <gkwhc> bash
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1070[09:02:54] <michael2> should work with either
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1071[09:02:55] <klys> and the > is in quotes, right?
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1072[09:03:09] <gkwhc> interestingly, i created a custom script
and pput the execstart as well as post commands in it. and
everything went through :/
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1076[09:05:22] <gkwhc> doesnt make any sense
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1085[09:09:07] <gkwhc> thanks for the help tho! gonna reboot to
double check
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1089[09:09:53] <michael2> cool
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1151[09:33:07] <webchatter> Hi, newbie here.
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1160[09:34:41] <webchatter> I use Veracrypt on Debian. However, I
don't think it is a Veracrypt question, so I post it here.
After entering the passphrase for the Veracrypt container it mounts
and in Dolphin it shows on the left under "Devices" as 4GB
HD.
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1161[09:35:05] <webchatter> Is it possible to give it a name like
"work", "files", "personal", etc.?
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1163[09:35:51] <webchatter> Especially when making backups I
often get confused with the disks.
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1170[09:37:39] <michael2> usually you can
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1172[09:38:33] <webchatter> What dio I do?
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1176[09:40:11] <michael2> I think you need to apply a label -
possibly to the partition?
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1179[09:40:23] <michael2> or the filesystem?
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1183[09:43:57] <webchatter> If you are asking me ... I don't
know.
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1187[09:45:37] <d3vnull> in dolphin right click a label like
places do an add entry, browse to it, and label it
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1188[09:46:15] <michael2> or you could try:
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1190[09:46:47] <michael2> sudo e2label /dev/sdX
"LABEL_NAME" -> where X is your partition id
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1191[09:47:05] <michael2> not sure if you need to be unmounted
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1205[09:50:27] <GarethTheGreat> hi all
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1207[09:50:55] <GarethTheGreat> i'm pondering getting a
package into debian, any devs around to answer some questions?
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1208[09:52:27] <GarethTheGreat> basically it's a programming
language (a lisp interpreter) that depends upon libjit, but libjit
doesn't appear to have an existing debian package
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1210[09:52:47] <GarethTheGreat> so i'm wondering if i'd
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1218[09:55:25] <webchatter> dv3null: But if I have more than one
disk it will not work. The one mounted on slot1 will then always
receive the name of that entry, won't it?
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1220[09:56:05] <GarethTheGreat> anyone happen to know?
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1229[09:58:21] <COOurb> I have this error while booting
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1230[09:58:21] <COOurb> ACPI error: Method parse/execution failed
[\_sb.pci0.vga.atcS]
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1232[09:58:53] <COOurb> it appears after several reboots after
installing AMD firmware for radeon
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1238[10:00:32] <webchatter> I have found the solution:
replaced-url
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1239[10:00:47] <webchatter> sudo e2label /dev/mapper/veracrypt1
"mydiskname" worked for me
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1240[10:01:01] <webchatter> Thx anyway for the help.
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1257[10:09:50] <COOurb> shet, it just doesn't show gdm
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1258[10:11:05] <COOurb> in tty1
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1263[10:17:25] <COOurb> gdm ruined
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1265[10:17:50] <COOurb> How to change "greeting screen
window manager"?
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1275[10:21:46] <rant> say wha now?
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1276[10:22:00] <rant> you mean you want to use a different
display manager?
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1279[10:22:20] <rant> ah nm, guess they left
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1282[10:22:48] <COOurb> I dunno how, but it can't launch
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1283[10:23:02] <COOurb> so i have to switch to tty2 and run
startx
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1284[10:23:22] <rant> COOurb: so the graphical login is not
showing up but it works when you startx?
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1285[10:23:39] <COOurb> yep, after I login via tty
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1286[10:23:48] <COOurb> just errors from booting
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1287[10:23:55] <COOurb> so tty1 disabled for input
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1288[10:24:06] <rant> COOurb: and you know that you're using
gdm3? and that you dont have any other display managers installed?
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1289[10:24:42] <COOurb> I installed debian months ago and i dunno
what i did, but it has window with your name and you only have to
type password.
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1291[10:24:54] <COOurb> but now i should tye both login and
password
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1292[10:25:08] <rant> it'd be a little strange if it has a
window with MY name :P
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1293[10:25:10] <COOurb> I installed in and in fckedup
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1294[10:25:49] <rant> I am unable to parse your last comment
about "in"
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1295[10:25:51] <COOurb> after installing gdm a windows appeared
with listbox: lightdm and gdm3
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1297[10:25:58] <rant> right..
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1299[10:26:13] <rant> because you have two window managers and it
wanted you to choose which one to use
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1300[10:26:19] <COOurb> how can i call this window again?
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1302[10:26:24] <rant> erm Display Managers rather
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1303[10:26:28] <COOurb> yeah, where I can manage it?
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1304[10:26:37] <rant> you want to go back to using lightdm?
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1305[10:26:51] <COOurb> I wanna have control over this stuff (for
future)
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1306[10:27:03] <COOurb> I get to know why gdm doesn't work
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1309[10:28:17] <rant> ok well there are two ways to do this, one
is to use systemd to manage the services for gdm/lightdm thats the
manual way, the other way is to bring back up that screen you
mentioned by doing something like dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
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1311[10:28:36] <rant> or gdm3 for that matter.. either will
display that choice
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1313[10:29:14] <rant> as for finding out why gdm3 is failing, you
would locate the gdm3 log, and I haven't used it in a long time
but its probably in someplace like /var/log/gdm3/
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1314[10:29:14] <COOurb> it runs in CLI
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1315[10:29:15] <COOurb> wtd
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1316[10:29:17] <COOurb> wtdf
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1318[10:29:53] <rant> if you locate and upload that log to
paste.debian.net I may be able to assist you in figuring this out
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1319[10:30:02] <COOurb> k
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1322[10:30:27] <Something1> gdm3 runs in wayland by default,
lightdm in xorg. You can disable gdm3´s wayland mode to make
nvidia like it better.
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1324[10:30:47] <rant> heh. Thats good to know, thank you
Something1
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1326[10:31:04] <rant> I haven't used gdm in ages.. I
wasn't aware of this
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1327[10:31:07] <COOurb> so lightdm doesn't have option to
choose about window manager
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1328[10:31:21] <rant> lightdm can choose your session, yes
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1330[10:31:29] <COOurb> video: integrated in CPU AMD
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1331[10:31:55] <COOurb> I mean, KDE, gnoe or xfce
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1332[10:31:56] <Something1> You can disable wayland in gdm3 by
editing /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf in Debian. I think
/etc/gdm/custom.conf for other distros
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1333[10:31:59] <rant> there are few DMs which do not have a
session menu.. and they still have the ability to choose just need
to be done via conigs
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1334[10:32:12] <COOurb> hah
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1335[10:32:16] <COOurb> what a world
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1336[10:32:31] <Something1> COOurb, it´s in the top right
for lightdm iirc
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1337[10:32:31] <rant> COOurb: yes those are called Desktop
Environments (DE) but in the context of your DM its called a session
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1338[10:32:58] <rant> you can choose your session type from
lightdm, as Something1 says, its in the top right typically
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1339[10:33:12] <rant> it won't ASK you have to specify
BEFORE logging in
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1341[10:33:56] <COOurb> yeah, I already changed it back to
lightDM and it works (i.e. doesn't stuck on boot errors)
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1342[10:36:09] <rant> COOurb: well based on what Something1 has
said... we now have to X servers in Debian, wayland and xorg, and
apparently gdm3 is deault configured to use wayland not xorg which
is probably the problem
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1345[10:37:42] <COOurb> All I know about wayland is that it is
part of name of the company from Aliens
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1346[10:38:35] <rant> thats more than I know about it, other than
its designed to address securiy concerns in X and will likely be a
pain in my ass in future releases if we dump xorg
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1348[10:39:06] <COOurb> also, how to make colored interface for
root?
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1350[10:39:12] <COOurb> Like other regular users
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1352[10:39:28] <rant> colored interface? you mean like colored ls
output?
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1353[10:39:34] <COOurb> yep
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1354[10:39:42] <COOurb> directories is blue
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1356[10:40:06] <rant> iirc thats an alias on ls and I wasn't
aware it wasn't conigured for root
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1357[10:41:53] <rant> no I seem to be wrong about it being an
alias
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1359[10:42:04] <COOurb> so, not ls
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1360[10:42:22] <COOurb> or it's just terminal application
stuff?
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1364[10:42:41] <rant> COOurb:
replaced-url
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1365[10:43:07] <rant> apparenly its an env var
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1366[10:43:16] <rant> I thought it was an alias
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1373[10:47:48] <COOurb> same stuff with gdm
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1374[10:47:56] <COOurb> even with wayland=falce
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1375[10:48:09] <COOurb> yeah, ir druns after startx
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1376[10:48:11] <rant> false is spelled with an s
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1377[10:48:13] <COOurb> but before it - same
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1378[10:48:26] <COOurb> well, I just uncommented string
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1380[10:48:45] <rant> I still say you should examine the log
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1381[10:48:47] <Something1> Yes that´s the right thing to
do to disable wayland
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1383[10:48:56] <Something1> But the colours shouldn´t
depend on display managers?
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1384[10:49:42] <COOurb> no, I'm not talking about colors
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1385[10:49:47] <COOurb> different things
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1386[10:49:49] <rant> I dont think there was any such
implication.. just working on two diff issues
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1388[10:50:17] <Something1> Ah then I lost thread
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1389[10:50:17] <rant> we have a multi-tasker here :P
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1390[10:50:44] <rant> now that they learned to switch DMs
they're trying to debug gdm
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1393[10:51:14] <rant> and the gdm log is the best place to start
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1394[10:51:44] <rant> the log path would prob be in that config
file somewhere
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1395[10:52:06] <rant> last I used it, it kept its logs in its own
dir
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1399[10:52:44] <rant> I typically use lightdm and nodm these
days..
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1400[10:52:51] <Something1> It doesn´t activate at all?
Then switch tty and ´systemctl status gdm´ or gdm3,
can´t remember
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1402[10:53:11] <rant> ,i gdm3
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1403[10:53:13] <judd> Package gdm3 (gnome, optional) in
stretch/amd64: GNOME Display Manager. Version: 3.22.3-3+deb9u1;
Size: 653.8k; Installed: 4648k; Screenshot:
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1404[10:53:23] <rant> apparently its still called gdm3
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dozen keto muffins, I feel a nap coming on :P
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1428[11:02:31] <COOurb> I didn't have gnome istalled. Could
it be the reason of such behavior?
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1429[11:02:38] <COOurb> installed*
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1438[11:08:29] <rant> gdm doesnt require gnome
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1443[11:09:49] <Unit193> Only works with gnome-shell, afaik. So
sort of.
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1459[11:15:41] <rant> thats news to me.. but wouldnt really
surprise me.. gnome has become a royal crapfest
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1460[11:16:32] <rant> they need a f'n project lead to get
all their devs on the same page.. even GTK3 is total crap
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1463[11:17:11] <rant> and maybe some carlin style motivation..
(beat with a golf club)
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1467[11:18:13] <COOurb> YES
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1468[11:18:17] <COOurb> It requires gnome
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1469[11:18:18] <COOurb> damn
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1471[11:18:49] <COOurb> -6 hours of my life
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1473[11:19:02] <COOurb> -power led on PC case
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1474[11:19:09] <COOurb> +knowledge
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1483[11:24:08] <rant> I'm not even gonna wonder wtf they
tied their DM to their crapfest DE
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1484[11:24:31] <rant> thats just the kind of stupid crap they
been doing these days
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1486[11:24:52] <rant> you know what you call 20 GNOME devs at the
bottom of a lake?
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1488[11:25:30] <rant> a good start.
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1494[11:28:07] <rant> their abuse of GTK is especially ignorant
because so many things use it, that you're stuck dealing with
their crappy code choices even if you dont use their apps
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1500[11:30:53] <buttholebasher> anyone here running Kali?
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1502[11:31:02] <annadane> !kali
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1503[11:31:10] <rant> if they are, they should /part
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1504[11:31:12] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1505[11:31:20] <buttholebasher> Yeah we know?
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1507[11:31:40] <annadane> not supported in here, go ask there
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1508[11:31:50] <buttholebasher> Anyone ELSE running Kali?
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1510[11:32:48] <rant> dondelelcaro: dpkg has apparently been
flooding itself off the network and is lagging, fyi
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1512[11:33:41] <rant> buttholebasher: if you're looking to
be banned you're off to an excellent start
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1513[11:33:54] <buttholebasher> banned? uh oh
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1515[11:33:58] <buttholebasher> IRC channel is dead AF
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1516[11:34:01] <buttholebasher> please ban me?
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1520[11:34:20] <iflema> heh
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1524[11:35:44] <babilen> butthole basher: This is a technical
support channel for Debian. Whatever the problem is you are trying
to solve is, by nature of you not running Debian, off-topic here.
#kali-linux is probably a much better place
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1525[11:36:24] <rant> and not to beat a silent horse.. but
polling usage is not a good way to get help anywhere
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1699[12:44:38] <bipul> I would like to install this IcedTea
OpenJDK1.8.0.111+ in my Debian, But i'm not sure where to
start?
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1702[12:45:38] <babilen> judd: i icedtea-plugin
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1703[12:45:39] <judd> Package icedtea-plugin (web, extra) in
stretch/amd64: web browser plugin to execute Java applets
(dependency package). Version: 1.6.2-3.1; Size: 9.6k; Installed:
19k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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1704[12:45:43] <babilen> bipul: ^ maybe ?
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1705[12:45:53] <annadane> if that even works with firefox-esr in
stretch
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1706[12:46:06] <annadane> i seem to recall some caveat
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1707[12:46:17] <babilen> I've been quite successful in
avoiding java plugins for the last couple of years
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1709[12:46:44] <babilen> Installing the icedtea-plugin package
feels like a sensible start point though
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1711[12:47:13] <bipul> babilen, IcedTea OpenJDK 1.8.0.111+ is a
plugins?
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1713[12:47:48] <babilen> Isn't icedtea the Java browser
plugin?
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1714[12:47:54] <jelly> bipul, are you looking for JDK or what?
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1715[12:48:07] <jelly> what functionality do you want
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1716[12:48:08] <babilen> I mean .. what are you after?
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1717[12:48:16] <babilen> What are you trying to achieve?
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1718[12:48:59] <bipul> I'm trying to install ELK on Debian.
And this link says
replaced-url
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1719[12:49:15] <babilen> Right .. so you want a JRE
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1721[12:49:29] <jelly> ,v openjdk-8-jre
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1722[12:49:30] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- stretch:
8u151-b12-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports: 8u171-b11-1~bpo8+1;
stretch-proposed-updates: 8u171-b11-1~deb9u1; stretch-security:
8u171-b11-1~deb9u1; buster: 8u171-b11-2; sid: 8u171-b11-2
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1723[12:49:36] <jelly> that'd be it
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1724[12:49:55] <jelly> unless you want a full jdk, then
openjdk-8-jdk
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1725[12:50:11] <bipul> JRE? stands for? What i know i'm
looking for JVM
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1726[12:50:17] <babilen> java runtime environment
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1728[12:50:40] <babilen> JVM is "java virtual machine"
(provided by JRE)
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1729[12:50:57] <bipul> Okay thank's
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1730[12:51:09] <babilen> JDK is "java development kit"
which is what you want if you want to develop in Java
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1732[12:51:36] <jelly> jre package does not bring tools useful
when running apps or servlet engines
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1733[12:51:39] <bipul> As per the link it says I need to download
IcedTea OpenJDK 1.8.0.111+
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1734[12:51:43] <babilen> IIRC the ELK packages from upstream
define correct dependencies
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1735[12:52:33] <annadane> i actually think icedtea-plugin MAY
still work, but will stop with ESR 60
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1736[12:52:44] <annadane> but, yeah, i don't use it now
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1739[12:53:36] <bipul> I'm still not aware what i need to
install
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1741[12:54:37] <jelly> try installing just the jre package and
see if things work
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1749[12:56:44] <mindaugas_> Hello, Today I encountered strange
behaviour while trying to add new keyboard language layout on debian
9.4 using gnome, when i press a plus sign (+) to add new layout,
nothing happens, window just dissappears, i have not able to find
anything like that on google, did anyone had this problem?
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1753[12:57:40] <Brigo_> mindaugas_, how are you adding them?
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1755[12:58:35] <mindaugas_> on gnome desktop environgment , i
search for region and language settings
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1756[12:58:40] <mindaugas_> then i press + to add language layout
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1758[12:58:59] <mindaugas_> then window just exits, without any
error, nothing, just dissappears
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1760[12:59:21] <petn-randall> mindaugas_: Try running the program
in a terminal, and then see if there's any output. I'm
guessing a stack trace of some sort coming out.
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1764[13:00:27] <mindaugas_> petn-randall, maybe you know which
command can run region settings?
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1767[13:01:24] <mindaugas_> all i find on google, is about
locale, not about keyboard layout :/
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1769[13:01:59] <petn-randall> mindaugas_: I don't use gnome,
but I'll guess it's gnome-<tab><tab>
something.
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1776[13:05:15] <mindaugas_> i found gnome-control-center which is
basically what i run when i press on settings icon
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1778[13:05:25] <mindaugas_> when i go there via terminal, then
select to add language
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1779[13:05:34] <mindaugas_> terminal gives me to stdout
Segmentation fault
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1783[13:06:09] <petn-randall> mindaugas_: Any further output?
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1784[13:06:33] <mindaugas_> nop, just Segmentation fault
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1785[13:06:35] <mindaugas_> and exits
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1787[13:06:44] <mindaugas_> i will try strace
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1788[13:06:50] <petn-randall> mindaugas_: What is the output of
`apt-cache policy gnome-control-center` and `apt-cache policy`?
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1792[13:07:40] <petn-randall> -->
replaced-url
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1793[13:07:45] <petn-randall> brb in 40 min
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1800[13:10:17] <mindaugas_> petn-randall,
replaced-url
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1808[13:13:48] <Emil> Hey
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1809[13:13:55] <Emil> What packages should I install to get .jp2
support?
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1810[13:14:52] <mindaugas_> petn-randall, strace also gives only
these 3 lines when i press to add new layout
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1811[13:14:53] <mindaugas_> --- SIGSEGV {si_signo=SIGSEGV,
si_code=SEGV_MAPERR, si_addr=0xf94} ---
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1812[13:14:53] <mindaugas_> +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
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1813[13:14:53] <mindaugas_> Segmentation fault
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1815[13:15:47] <blackflow> Emil: I'm guessing that's
jpeg2000 for which (lib)openjpeg is used, but "support"
depends on specific application, like gimp for example. Is that what
you need?
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1820[13:17:53] <Emil> blackflow: yeah I'd just like to view
the image but even convert (imagemagick) takes over 5 gigs of memory
and then dies with cache exhausted (even though I still have plenty
of ram)
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1823[13:18:03] <Emil> the source image is 103M in size
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1828[13:18:50] <Brigo_> mindaugas_, just those three lines?
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1833[13:20:31] <blackflow> Emil: 100M JPEG can be many gigabytes
uncompressed in RAM
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1834[13:20:40] <blackflow> many many many gigabytes
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1835[13:21:09] <Emil> blackflow: and gimp says "unknown file
type"
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1837[13:22:32] <mindaugas_> Brigo_, just three after i press add
language layout, other than that, when is tart strace
gnome-control-center i get a lot more, but i dont think those are
related
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1838[13:23:03] <blackflow> Emil: there are basically two libs
handling JPEG2000 files. OpenJPEG which is a standard these days,
and LibJasper which is being deprecated in favor of openjpeg. But an
application needs to be built with JPEG2000 support in order to
support the format, and then most likely pull in the libs as deps. I
guess gimp isn't built with jpeg2000 support in debian by
default.
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1839[13:23:57] <Emil> blackflow: hmm
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1840[13:24:00] <Brigo_> mindaugas_, provided it works for
everybody but you, i will guess the problem could be in some library
you installed from other sources.
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1842[13:24:23] <Emil> blackflow: so I should probably try
building a super simple converter program with opejpeg
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1843[13:25:19] <mindaugas_> Brigo_, now that i searched for
gnome-control-center segmentation fault , i seem to find more
launchpat bug reports related to that, but they are older, or on
askubuntu
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1844[13:25:41] <mindaugas_> it tried reinstalling
gnome-control-center
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1845[13:25:47] <mindaugas_> problem still persists
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1847[13:26:02] <blackflow> Emil: btw, it seems gimp is pulling in
libopenjp2 via gimp-data, so it _should_ support jpeg2000
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1849[13:26:20] <blackflow> Emil: are you sure it's that?
what does identify <thatfilename> (that's
imagemagick's binary) say?=
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1850[13:26:53] <Brigo_> mindaugas_, of course you are installing
the same version. Try with the dependencies, check for versions
missmatch.
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1854[13:29:08] <Emil> blackflow: W5211A.jp2 JP2 12000x12000
12000x12000+0+0 8-bit sRGB 107.9MB 0.000u 0:00.000
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1856[13:30:42] <michael2> anyone else having trouble playing
video in chromium?
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1857[13:30:43] <Emil> blackflow: so the images should be at most
12000*12000*4=576MB in size when in memory
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1858[13:31:16] <blackflow> Emil: yes. So if convert barks at it,
and gimp can't open, I suppose the file is
broken/invalid/corrupt?
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1861[13:31:56] <blackflow> Emil: and it's x 3, jpeg
doesn't do alpha
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1862[13:31:56] <Emil> blackflow: convert dies because it exhausts
memory, the file is highly likely just fine
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1863[13:32:03] <Emil> blackflow: well, that's even less then
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1865[13:32:24] <Emil> (point is, to store in memory you would
often align by 4)
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1866[13:33:18] <blackflow> Emil: yeah but these calculations are
based on raw rgb per pixel. jp2 stores a bit more than a flat image
of certain width x height
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1869[13:34:41] <blackflow> Emil: anyway, my knowledge of it is
just theoretical (we do massive batch processing of regular jpegs at
work) I never actually had to work with jp2 formats.
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show JP2 at all? I'm currently unable to check with IM on
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1886[13:46:22] <Emil> blackflow: also nope, no jp2 there
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opj_decompress. libopenjp2-tools, makes sense :)
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and I can't figure out why. How could I monitor the memory
usage on a minute basis? I'm using munin but it's graphs
are not fine enough...
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1918[13:59:55] <blackflow> hever: watch "ps axu --sort -%mem
| head -n 10" or whatever variant of it, you can periodically
output to a file for later analysis
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1929[14:06:06] <hever> blackflow, ya thanks thought about that
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1939[14:15:57] <blackflow> hever: at 1 minute level? there might
be an alternative to munin, like cacti or nagios even. But I'm
not sure if you want to change or introduce a whole new monitoring
infrastructure just to hunt down some memory hungry procs.
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1945[14:17:21] <blackflow> hever: oh waitaminute, I think munin
can be configured for 1min resolution, but depending on how much it
monitors, that may or may not work. eg I have a munin that takes
several minutes (but less than 5) to do entire run
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1946[14:17:33] <blackflow> *a munin setup
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1947[14:18:08] <crackpotmark> Is there any way to stop Linux
waiting for sata to respond during boot?
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1948[14:18:18] <hever> I just found out its nginx that
doesn't free memory after a http request for some reason....
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1950[14:18:44] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: Why is it stalling in
the first place?
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1959[14:19:59] <crackpotmark> I have to take data from bad drives
quite often
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1962[14:20:32] <crackpotmark> I end up with a screenful of soft
resets and hard resets
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1967[14:21:17] <crackpotmark> I guess the best option is hotplug
sata
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1972[14:24:14] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: Most OSes and BIOSes
don't handle faulty hardware well.
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1973[14:24:29] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: Boot without it, and
hotplug the faulty drives only when you need them.
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1975[14:24:39] <crackpotmark> Fair enough
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1980[14:26:54] <crackpotmark> At least Linux can read them (just
about). My windows colleagues don't get anything :P
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1983[14:29:09] <crackpotmark> In terms of hardware handling,
anything better than debian you know of?
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1995[14:35:56] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: Usually if it's
about reading data from faulty hardware, the OS is fairly
irrelevant, it's all about how the other HW handles the faulty
HW.
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1997[14:37:19] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: For example,
S-ATA/USB bridges will reset the whole USB connection if they hit
too many ATA errors. So you need a bridge to handle faulty drives.
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1998[14:39:31] <crackpotmark> That's why I've used the
direct sata bus and not a USB adaptor
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1999[14:39:51] <crackpotmark> But I don't belive I can
hotplug on this hardware
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2001[14:40:14] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: If it's a SATA
drive, hotplugging is part of the spec.
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2002[14:40:26] <crackpotmark> Hmm okay
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2003[14:40:32] <crackpotmark> I'll try it later
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2004[14:40:38] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: Just plug power
first, and then sata second.
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2005[14:40:53] <crackpotmark> You don't need a particular
motherboard?
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2008[14:41:40] <petn-randall> crackpotmark: As I said, it's
part of the spec. If your motherboard can't handle it, you
should return the faulty mobo.
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2009[14:42:24] <petn-randall> In contrast, PATA does *not*
support that.
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2019[14:48:50] <crackpotmark> Thanks for the assistance :)
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2067[15:16:43] <resc_051b3_5791> Hi
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2068[15:17:00] <resc_051b3_5791> What is this place for?
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2069[15:17:02] <resc_051b3_5791>
replaced-url
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2079[15:24:02] <dadabidet> is there a way to make CTRL C V and
middle mouse the same paste?
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2088[15:27:42] <petn-randall> dadabidet: Some clipboard managers
offer that. I think KDE and Gnome have such things.
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2092[15:32:24] <Knaldgas> Problem with Perl modules on Jessie. As
root instmodsh shows Config::IniFiles but users command
doesn't. APT does not have the libconfig-inifiles-perl package
installed. I think I have installed some CPAN modules a while back,
but removed them again (I think). Installing libconfig-inifiles-perl
does not provide Config::IniFiles for users, how can I fix this?
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2094[15:33:16] <Knaldgas> Perhaps the task is two-fold, cleaning
up any CPAN previously installed, and installing the module the APT
way?
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2113[15:43:11] <hxmuller> how does one accomplish this: "#
lvcreate -L 10G VolGroup00 -n lvolhome /dev/sdc1" using netinst
expertgui? I haven't figured out how to tie a volume to a
specific partition using the installer
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2119[15:45:47] <dob1> hi, what is the right way to run an user
script (or a script as an user) at shutdown?
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2120[15:45:51] <dob1> (systemd)
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2121[15:46:29] <hxmuller> ah, nvm. I dropped to shell, and see
lvcreate is available for use there.
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PC, how to display them using journalctl?
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2127[15:50:04] <petn-randall> JohnML: I don't think it works
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2130[15:51:52] <JohnML> petn-randall, ok, thought i did that
allready for Debian, but can't remember:-(
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2138[15:54:23] <Akuw> any free alternative for cPanel ? i
installed webmin, but have this all functions like cPanel
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2139[15:54:27] <Akuw> ?
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2141[15:54:59] <hxmuller> dob1: you are looking for something
like this:
replaced-url
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2143[15:55:26] <blackflow> Akuw: no. the only feature-competent
alternative to cpanel is plesk, which is also paid (though it's
a cheaper license)
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2148[15:56:07] <Akuw> what cpanel has that webmin doesnt
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2149[15:56:08] <Akuw> ?
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2151[15:56:11] <hxmuller> dob1: and if I remember right, you want
to place the unit file here: ~/.local/share/systemd/user/ to run it
as a user
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2153[15:56:42] <petn-randall> JohnML: It might work if journalctl
is the same version on the source and target machine. If not, it
might work or might not.
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2154[15:56:43] <dob1> hxmuller, ah I didn't know about this,
I will try
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2155[15:56:46] <dob1> ty
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2156[15:56:59] <blackflow> Akuw: I thought you knew, since you
said "all this functions like cPanel". BTw, on Debian, you
can't run cPanel anyway, so Plesk is the only one of commercial
grade panels you can use.
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2158[15:58:09] <Akuw> blackflow: but what is the diference
between cPanel and Webmin ?
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2159[15:58:22] <JohnML> petn-randall, this one seems to work:
journalctl --file=/home/john1/Downloads/user-1000.journal
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2161[15:59:20] <blackflow> Akuw: pretty sure you can google for
"cPanel vs webmin" and see what's being said.
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2169[16:02:25] <Akuw> the only thing webmin dont have is windows
support
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2172[16:02:34] <Akuw> compared to cPanel
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2268[16:57:11] <HOITAK> hello
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2269[16:57:18] <petn-randall> hi HOITAK
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2274[16:57:51] <HOITAK> where are you from?
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2275[16:58:08] <HOITAK> where do you from? sorry
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2278[16:59:10] <annadane> !chat
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2279[16:59:14] <annadane> arrrrrgh
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2280[16:59:25] <annadane> i keep forgetting about the bot lag
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2282[16:59:36] <annadane> anyway, do you have a debian question?
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2298[17:09:14] <abbe> How can I try a new version of d-i with
packages from proposed-updates ? I looked for netinstaller image for
proposed-updates but apparently not available, and current stable
kernel has
replaced-url
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2355[17:33:46] <basati> dfa
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2357[17:34:12] <quantum> One of my headless KVM VMs has run out
of disk space. I gave it 30GB.
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2358[17:34:31] <karuvally> quantum, hmm interesting
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2360[17:34:44] <karuvally> what are you going to do about it? I
am a KVM beginner myself
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2361[17:34:48] <quantum> I tried # tree -L 2 -s / but it's
not very helpful.
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2362[17:35:16] <karuvally> hmm... I haven't tried those yet
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2367[17:35:59] <blackflow> quantum: try ncdu
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2371[17:36:50] <babilen> +1
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2374[17:38:10] <lldd_> chromium does play audio in some sites
(youtube) and does not in others (translate.google.com) also it does
not play local audio files. this happens in 2 different machines.
firefox works fine. is this a known limitation of chromium ?
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2380[17:40:24] <lord_helmet> has anyone here used nat masquerade
with interface aliases before (ie eth0, eth0:0, eth0:1)? Will
masquerade always just use the address on eth0 and ignore the
others?
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2384[17:42:05] <petn-randall> lord_helmet: it depends on how you
set up the NAT.
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2385[17:42:41] <blackflow> lord_helmet: never used masquerade,
but if those are static network configs, maybe you're better
off with explicit SNAT
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2391[17:44:28] <lord_helmet> that's what I was thinking but
I couldn't find a definite answer
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2394[17:45:52] <lord_helmet> this is for a large NAT (university
residential network) so we've got a few aliases as we may hit
the 64K limit on one address
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2397[17:46:25] <blackflow> lord_helmet: 64k on ephemeral ports?
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2398[17:46:28] <lord_helmet> moving it from old hardware on BSD
to new hardware on Debian
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2399[17:46:30] <lord_helmet> yeah
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2403[17:47:09] <blackflow> well I'm guessing that's
static network config, ie. not dhcp or something like that, so yeah,
go SNAT, be explicit with --to-source IP
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2404[17:47:17] <lord_helmet> yup, static
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2406[17:47:36] <lord_helmet> what I was thinking
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2407[17:47:40] <lord_helmet> just wanted some verification
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2409[17:47:57] <lord_helmet> never had to nat something this
large with iptables before
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2410[17:48:12] <lord_helmet> so thanks!
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2412[17:48:45] <blackflow> well I can't verify what
masquerade does with aliases, never used it that way. at any rate,
if you can avoid it, masquerade has overhead, it checks the IP for
each packet, not sure there's any caching
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2415[17:50:32] <lord_helmet> yeah, the one advantage it has is
the connections are forgotten if the link goes down. we've got
a failover to another edge router in case the primary link goes down
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2416[17:51:01] <lord_helmet> this _may_ be worthy of a write up
once I get it finished :P
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2418[17:51:14] <lord_helmet> lots of little pieces
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2419[17:51:17] <blackflow> lord_helmet: I'd be interested in
reading that ;)
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2420[17:51:32] <blackflow> esp. your BSD -> Debian transition
experience.
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2422[17:52:22] <annadane> *which* bsd? :)
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2425[17:52:50] <lord_helmet> blackflow: yeah I did some scripting
to take the rc.conf and make /etc/network/interfaces for the aliases
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2426[17:52:51] <blackflow> ThereIsOnlyOneSeriouslyUsed(tm) :)
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2427[17:52:54] <lord_helmet> freebsd 8.2
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2429[17:53:05] <lord_helmet> there are old boxes that the last
guy setup
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2430[17:53:23] <annadane> i do want to try to get freebsd up and
running for a desktop some day if it's not too tedious
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2431[17:53:35] <blackflow> goodluckwiththat.
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2433[17:53:46] <annadane> i've heard it's... yeah.
tedious
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2434[17:53:52] <annadane> anyway sorry for the offtopic
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2435[17:53:55] <lord_helmet> new hardware is Cisco UCS which none
of the BSDs have support for the virtual nics for
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2437[17:54:27] <lord_helmet> I had a FreeBSD desktop for a short
while about 14 years ago
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2438[17:54:41] <lord_helmet> on my first AMD Athlon X2 box
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2442[17:56:23] <blackflow> lord_helmet: rc.conf is easy, I'd
be interested in performance improvements over pf or ipfw
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2443[17:56:56] <blackflow> pf has nice syntax, but is seriously
lacking in functionality. I didn't look into ipfw before giving
up and going back to Debian.
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2445[17:57:22] <annadane> it's a bit misrepresented. the bsd
people hate linux and tell you at many opportunities
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2446[17:57:24] <lord_helmet> blackflow: yeah, me too esp
considering the version of pf in that version of FBSD isn't
multithreaded IIRC
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2449[17:57:39] <lord_helmet> new box has 40 threads I think
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2450[17:57:46] <blackflow> annadane: whenever possible.
that's how you can tell someone is a FreeBSD user: they
can't stop shtposting against linux.
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2451[17:57:52] <annadane> of course one reason of which is
"because systemd"
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2452[17:57:58] <blackflow> lord_helmet: yeah that came with 9
iirc
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2453[17:58:45] <blackflow> disclaimer: I've been a FreeBSD
"contributor" for two years. escaped that echo chamber of
linux hate just in tiem.
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2456[17:59:59] <annadane> shame. love the idea of the BSDs
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2457[18:00:03] <annadane> oh well
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2458[18:00:05] <annadane> debian's also pretty cool
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2461[18:00:23] <lord_helmet> fanboys fighting on the internet?
nooooo never ....
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2463[18:00:43] <blackflow> lord_helmet: it's especially sad
when some of them sit on the FreeBSD core board.
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2468[18:02:07] <lord_helmet> did the FreeBSD project say they
were looking at adopting some sort of systemd-esque init system in
the future?
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2469[18:02:31] <blackflow> lord_helmet: the principal developer
gave up and went into a completely different industry.
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2470[18:02:31] <lord_helmet> I know you can use launchd with it,
at least in theory
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2471[18:03:07] <lord_helmet> principle freebsd developer or init
?
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2472[18:03:22] * lord_helmet hasn't been following BSD drama to
closely for a while
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2473[18:03:41] <blackflow> lord_helmet:
replaced-url
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2476[18:04:51] <blackflow> and the other dev, Kip Macy is in
prison (
replaced-url
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2477[18:05:55] <mnuhmnuh> blackflow: should'a gone w
openbsd. theo's much easier to deal with.
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2479[18:07:48] <blackflow> openbsd is a joke.
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2482[18:09:39] <lord_helmet> wow
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2483[18:09:52] <blackflow> poor SMP, lately no SMT, no VM, no
MAC, no jails, no ZFS, wth. it's a niche experimental OS, but
that's about it.
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2485[18:10:29] <annadane> is... is netbsd decent? :/
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2488[18:10:45] <blackflow> for running tosters? yup. =)
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2490[18:11:12] <lord_helmet> I will admit to having a soft spot
for NetBSD
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2491[18:11:14] <blackflow> Dragonfly is neat, though. HAMMER,
good graphics support.
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2492[18:11:19] <annadane> i see essentially debian and slackware
being the two most... serious? distributions for any of
linux/bsd/whatever
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2495[18:11:34] <annadane> perhaps not a coincidence they're
the oldest
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2497[18:11:48] <annadane> and debian has the social contract
so... yeah
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2498[18:11:50] <blackflow> it's Slackware's anniversary
something something, isn't it?
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2501[18:11:58] <annadane> like a few days ago
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2502[18:12:02] <lord_helmet> bbiab, thanks for the input folks
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2506[18:12:58] <annadane> 1992, so it'd be 26 years
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2507[18:13:06] <annadane> whereas debian... turns 25 this year!
:)
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2508[18:13:15] <annadane> idk exactly what day it was first
released
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2509[18:13:31] <blackflow> wow, time flies indeed.
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2535[18:26:01] <blackflow> annadane: Debian is one of the rare
"true" all-purpos linux distros. all others are either
niche or became a delivery platform for vendor lock-in for their
corporate overlords.
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2536[18:26:09] <karuvally> I thought slackware and debian was
separated only by a few months
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2538[18:26:27] <Beggar> hi
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2540[18:27:13] <Beggar> Any reasom for apt-get update take too
long to acomplish? "REading package lsit..." takes more
than 30min to finish.
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2542[18:27:33] <annadane> try changing the mirror
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2543[18:27:37] <Beggar> It started after I issued apt-get clean
and autoremove I guess
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2545[18:28:04] <annadane> blackflow, yeah slack too but the
problem with slack is they want you to install everything
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2546[18:28:07] <annadane> which is not for everyone
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2547[18:28:30] <mnuhmnuh> i'm pretty sure i was running
slack for about a year before debian was announced. then again, i
stuck w slack at least a year after the announce.
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2548[18:28:34] <annadane> and they don't have quite the
infrastructure debian has which of course is not a reason as such to
not use it but...
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2549[18:28:53] <RoyK> Beggar: are you on ipv6? some mirrors
aren't and thus it might take some time for the ipv6 to timeout
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2550[18:29:00] <annadane> oh. %
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2551[18:29:02] <annadane> ^ *
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2552[18:29:12] <Dagger> RoyK: that's... not how v6 works
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2555[18:29:21] <Beggar> annadane, but, when it is reading the
package list it is using internet ?
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2556[18:29:29] <RoyK> Dagger: I'm quite aware of how ipv6
works ;)
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2557[18:29:35] <Dagger> if the mirror doesn't have v6, then
you won't (and can't) attempt to connect via v6
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2558[18:30:01] <RoyK> Dagger: depends what's in dns and how
your routing works
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2559[18:30:09] <Beggar> RoyK, no I am still on the ipv4 and ip6
"mixed" world.
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2560[18:30:10] <blackflow> well, true, if there aren't AAAA
records, it won't be used
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2562[18:30:54] <mnuhmnuh> ipv4 tunnels ipv6, yes?
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2563[18:31:06] <RoyK> blackflow: not exactly true - I've
seen apt fail with not getting A records even though there were AAAA
records - it didn't seem to like ipv6-only networks, basically
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2564[18:31:11] <Dagger> we just said the mirror doesn't have
v6, so presumably there aren't any AAAA records
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2565[18:31:41] <RoyK> the problem is worse the other way around
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2566[18:31:48] <Dagger> Beggar: if you want to double-check this,
try `wget -O/dev/null <mirror URL>` and see what it says
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2567[18:31:50] <RoyK> anyway - just asking here
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2571[18:32:52] <blackflow> RoyK: AAAA is always tried first. if
exists, it will be used. if the connection fails, A won't be
tried instead, unless you write the application to re-request A
record specfically and retry the whole connection over ipv4. I
don't know if apt is written that way, but it's not part
of any ipv6 or ipv4 standard.
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2578[18:34:30] <Beggar> No issue in the connection apparently.
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2579[18:34:44] <annadane> september 15, is when it was released.
so in about 2 months we can have a party for the 25th, or something
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2580[18:34:48] <Beggar> I tried diferent mirror and the us one,
nothing changed.
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2581[18:35:15] <blackflow> annadane: with a Surprise Premature
Buster Release Gift to the Community! :))
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2583[18:35:51] <Beggar> Buster.... I do not know if I should fear
it or be anxious to see it.
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2584[18:36:00] <Dagger> blackflow: no, in general AAAA is only
tried first if your DNS lookups sort the AAAA records to the top,
which in general only happens if your machine has proper v6
addresses assigned
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2585[18:36:32] <Beggar> Dagger this nick pattern is making my
eyes weird ahahaha
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2586[18:36:47] <blackflow> Dagger: "if your DNS lookups sort
the AAAA records to the top" -- not sure what that means
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2587[18:36:48] <Dagger> I say "in general" because
it's configurable, and programs can reorder the results
themselves, but most programs will do their connection attempts in
the same order that `getent ahosts <...>` returns results in
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2591[18:38:22] <blackflow> Dagger: sure, but A is _not_ a
failover for existing AAAA that otherwise failed.
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2592[18:38:35] <Dagger> blackflow: when you call getaddrinfo(),
you get a list of results back. the list is sorted according to the
rules in RFC 6724 (the short version of the rules is: AAAAs first if
you have v6, otherwise As first)
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2593[18:38:45] <blackflow> unless you write an application that
will try again, requesting A record specifically and trying ipv4
instead.
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2594[18:38:46] <Dagger> it's not just "AAAA first
always"
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2599[18:39:25] <blackflow> Dagger: okay, that's what I meant
wihtout going to elaborate explanation. if there's no v6, of
course it won't be tried.
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2601[18:39:44] <Dagger> you generally don't need to ask for
A specifically. generally you ask for AF_UNSPEC which gets you both
AAAAs and As
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2605[18:39:58] <quy1> any software so i can change hue of screen
color_
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2606[18:40:01] <quy1> ?
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2608[18:40:29] <Dagger> "generally" again because
programs can try to be cleer and override it (and then they end up
with broken behavior :/)
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2609[18:40:33] <blackflow> Dagger: but the whole point of what
I'm trying to say is, if you don't write the app that way,
the stack won't failover to A after AAAA (with existing DNS
record) fails
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2616[18:43:26] <Dagger> the failover is just a loop over
getaddrinfo()... but sure, if you don't do the loop then
you'll only try to connect to the first record
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2618[18:44:08] <Dagger> but the point I was making is that the
first record will be an A record if your own machine doesn't
have a proper v6 address
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2620[18:44:31] <blackflow> Dagger: right.
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2622[18:44:48] <Dagger> just because an AAAA exists doesn't
mean it'll always be tried first
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2627[18:45:39] <Dagger> also, apt-get does loop over all address
records properly... the only slight problem is that it only reports
the *last* failure that it encounters, not all of them
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2629[18:45:46] <blackflow> of course it requires the client to
have v6. but this whole discussion was really in answer to "are
you on ipv6? some mirrors aren't and thus it might take some
time for the ipv6 to timeout" which is a bit false. if a mirror
is not on v6, thus has no AAAA, there's no delay involving v6
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2632[18:46:21] <blackflow> if a mirror is on v6, has AAAA, but
the connection fails, depends on the client what happens next.
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2634[18:46:40] <Dagger> on a v4-only machine, that'll be a
connection to the AAAA record... so people keep seeing that and
blaming v6 for their problem, even though the real problem was that
v4 failed (and v4 was all they had) :/
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2654[18:58:02] <beastwick87> Hi, can anyone make changes to the
wiki? I want to write some information about an edge case I had
connecting to wifi, but I am afraid of violating some protocol or
something...
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2657[18:59:12] <annadane> beastwick87, yeah, you just need an
account
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2658[18:59:21] <annadane> which you can sign up for freely
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2659[18:59:39] <beastwick87> ok, I did that, I just don't
want to step on anyone's toes or pollute the wiki with crap
info if it is sort of crap lol
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2660[18:59:43] <beastwick87> i don't think it is
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2661[18:59:48] <beastwick87> but more senior people involved, idk
lol
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2662[18:59:58] <annadane> yeah, don't worry
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2663[19:00:07] <beastwick87> alright cool
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2664[19:00:13] <annadane> only suggestion is maybe write
"for debian 9 stretch..."
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2665[19:00:20] <annadane> because the issue with the wiki is it
can sometimes be outdated
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2666[19:00:22] <beastwick87> yes! going to do that
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2668[19:02:03] <Sia-> Hi, did debian removed something in
netinstall ISO testing?
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2669[19:02:16] <annadane> "something" is vague
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2670[19:02:26] <annadane> also, do you want to install testing,
or test the installer?
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2671[19:02:27] <Sia-> because can't fine my motherboard
intelDH67BL ethernet driver
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2674[19:04:20] <Sia-> annadane i did on the first SSD before 2
months ago. yesterday downloaded last builded iso netinstall and
can't detect my ethernet driver?!
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2675[19:04:34] <annadane> it's possibly a bug
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2676[19:04:42] <annadane> if you did it successfully before
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2679[19:05:00] <annadane> i'm not sure how to diagnose it,
maybe someone does, but in general if you want testing you should
upgrade to it from a minimal stable
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2681[19:06:01] <Sia-> annadane right now downloaded the live
testing, ill try it. if doesn't i send a bug to the debian dev
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2697[19:13:48] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, where can i find the
settings for my wacom tablet ? they don't appear in the system
settings or under devices but the tablet gets correctly recognized
by linux and works i just have to change some settings (i'm
left handed)
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2702[19:14:27] <rocketmagnet> i'm using mate and latest
stable
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2715[19:20:47] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet: control center, i think
it's called. it's all gui, pointy-clicky.
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2717[19:21:11] <rocketmagnet> what's the app name, in my
control center i found only keyboard and mouse
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2719[19:22:00] <mnuhmnuh> look in journalctl for messages related
to the device.
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2720[19:22:39] <mnuhmnuh> should tell you what's missing.
firmware?
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2722[19:23:20] <rocketmagnet> the tablet is working i just want
to mirror the input because i'm left handed so i need the table
the other way around than normal users
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2726[19:24:37] <mnuhmnuh> i'm left handed. xmodmap -e
"pointer = 3 2 1 4 5 6 7 8 9"
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2728[19:25:39] <rocketmagnet> why are you not using xsetwacom ?
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2729[19:26:03] * mnuhmnuh "the world is right handed, and only the
smartest overcome it."
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2731[19:26:27] <mnuhmnuh> i don't use wacom (or any)
tablets.
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2733[19:27:21] <mnuhmnuh> just trying to help w what i know.
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2735[19:28:09] <rocketmagnet> "xsetwacom parameters"
shows me all the possible parameters but not the values they
can/must been set to :/
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2743[19:35:48] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet: so, it (config) must be
buried somewhere in the system. locate wacom
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2745[19:36:38] <mnuhmnuh> journalctl should show stuff like init
settings.
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2749[19:40:40] <zxq2> hi i'm trying parse debian version
numbers, specifically for the backports of openssh. the version
scheme seems a little complicated. i did some searching and
wasn't able to find any documentation on how it works. can
someone please point me in the right direction? thanks
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2750[19:41:07] <rocketmagnet> is there a way i can see which
buttons are pressed on my tablet so i can find out which button has
which name ??
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2752[19:41:37] <rocketmagnet> "xsetwacom parameters"
shows me all the possible parameters but not the values they
can/must been set to :/
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2753[19:42:59] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, i'm afraid if i try
this my settings are getting messed up, there must be an gui to set
the settings, i don't know the possible values i can set the
parameters to with xsetwacom
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2754[19:43:23] <rocketmagnet> i can fetch the current value but
there is no help whatsoever telling me the possible values they can
be set to
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2756[19:44:25] <mnuhmnuh> manpages? /usr/share/doc/...
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2761[19:46:34] <mnuhmnuh> apropos wacom
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2767[19:48:58] <mnuhmnuh> man 4 wacom says xorg.conf.d may be
where to look?
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2782[20:01:20] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet:
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-wacom.conf
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2810[20:18:37] <rafalcpp> how to see CPU load, WITHOUT breaking
it up by core, and in totall cpu load (all besides idle: so
user+sys+irq) ?
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2814[20:19:29] <mnuhmnuh> rafalcpp: gkrellm can do either or both
at once.
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2819[20:20:43] <dutchfish> rafalcpp, grep 'cpu '
/proc/stat | awk '{usage=($2+$4)*100/($2+$4+$5)} END {print
usage "%"}'
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2820[20:20:52] <egrain> i'm on a vps and i want to partition
the main disk, but when i go at it with parted it gives me this:
Warning: Unable to open /dev/ploop36538 read-write (Operation not
permitted). /dev/ploop36538 has been opened read-only. i'm root
though.
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2831[20:24:18] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, now up and down is
switched but left - right is still wrong :X
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2835[20:25:24] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, is there a way i can find
out which button has which number by seeing the input the table is
getting ?
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2836[20:25:36] <mnuhmnuh> xev?
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2837[20:25:46] <rocketmagnet> ?
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2839[20:26:04] <rocketmagnet> ah nice
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2844[20:27:51] <egrain> hdparm -r0 /dev/ploop36538 gives me
BLKROSET failed: Operation not permitted. that means i have no
chance, right?
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2845[20:28:05] <mnuhmnuh> maybe there's a dpkg-reconfigure
for it? wishful thinking.
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2847[20:28:23] <mnuhmnuh> for rocketmagnet
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2850[20:29:59] <asdfafafa> hi
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2861[20:35:05] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, xev worked but how can i
find out the possible values for the parameters of xsetwacom ?
xsetwacom parameters shows me all params and i can fetch their
current value with xsetwacom get "..." parameter, but i
don't find the possible values i can pass to the parameters :(
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2862[20:35:36] <rocketmagnet> and can you maybe change the
command you send me so that not y is switched but x ??
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2865[20:35:50] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet: that should be what the
manpage is for.
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2867[20:36:19] <rocketmagnet> does the manpage shows the possible
values for the parameters ?????
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2870[20:37:13] <rocketmagnet> YES - mnuhmnuh you are my heror of
the day :)
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2871[20:37:30] <rocketmagnet> the last question: are things i set
with xsetwacom permanent ?
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2873[20:38:18] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet: man 4 wacom says see man
5 xorg.conf and xorg.conf.d
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2876[20:39:43] <blackslide> hi, I'm having an issue with a
logitech wireless keyboard, k400 plus, to be percise.
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2878[20:40:00] <mnuhmnuh> i have no idea. find a way to stuff
overrides into (eg.) ~/.wacom? or xorg.conf.d/idunno.
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2880[20:40:25] <blackslide> any known easy fix to disable
multimedia keys?
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2884[20:41:42] <blackslide> Logitech has the fn on/off function
in their windows sw package, but no info on linux.
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2885[20:42:01] <mnuhmnuh> blackslide: xev should tell you what
keys send what. dunno what to do then; research.
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2889[20:42:19] <mender27> Evening everyone! Good to be back to
Debian. Quick question - I noticed that Debian has a new feature
which displays "outdated" and prompts their upgrade.
Sometimes however no new update candidates are available. Does
anyone know how this feature really works?
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2890[20:42:44] <mender27> Outdated packages, I meant.
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2892[20:43:35] <blackslide> mnuhmnuh: thanks!
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2893[20:43:46] <mnuhmnuh> mender27: what do you know about the
debian packaging system(s)?
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2895[20:44:04] <mender27> mnuhmnuh: unfortunately, not much :(
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2898[20:44:39] <mender27> mnuhmnuh: if this is explained in some
docs, I'd be happy to read them :).
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2901[20:44:52] <mnuhmnuh> debian-handbook
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2903[20:45:04] <mnuhmnuh> apt-get install
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2904[20:45:15] <geosmin> first time installing debian, what
exactly does it mean in the installer to select "debian desktop
environmnet" but NOT select GNOME, KDE, LXDE, etc.
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2906[20:45:24] <geosmin> (my goal is to install i3)
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2907[20:45:35] <blackslide> would be nice if the gnome settings
utility for keyboards would include some sort of toggle for fn-lock
on these newer keyboards..
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2908[20:45:43] <geosmin> and preferably have autologin with getty
or or something, no need for a login manager
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2910[20:46:05] <dutchfish> mender27, the word is Replaces, see:
replaced-url
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2911[20:46:18] <blackslide> The internetz seems to be filled of
"how to disable fn keys" for laptops, and on winblows..
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2912[20:46:44] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, how can i undo the
xmodmap -e command ?
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2913[20:46:48] <mnuhmnuh> geosmin: i'd guess no gui login or
x window until you manually installed one. i allowed mate on
install, then pulled in my prefer.
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2914[20:47:16] <dutchfish> mender27, it basically means package
foo2 Replaces foo1, hence the package system knows what is outdated.
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2916[20:47:31] <mnuhmnuh> rocketmagnet: xmodmap -e "pointer
= 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9"
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2921[20:48:29] <dutchfish> mender27, all that is part of the
control file which is in each and every package.
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2923[20:49:07] <mnuhmnuh> geosmin: there's nodm (i think
it's called).
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2924[20:49:54] <dutchfish> mender27, and the packagemanger on
your system keeps track of all that, fed by info files from the
repositories
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2926[20:50:30] <dutchfish> mender27, all the tools on your system
use that information
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2931[20:53:07] <mender27> dutchfish, mnuhmnuh: thanks for help. I
will read the Handbook :).
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2933[20:53:38] <rocketmagnet> mnuhmnuh, the command you gave me
switched the mouse buttons and inverted the y axis, i only need to
invert the x axis
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2934[20:53:48] <mender27> I actually want to get into Debian
package creation, since there are quite some projects which
don't have packages yet, but are very interesting.
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2940[20:54:44] <mnuhmnuh> mender27: see #debian-mentors and
#packaging, i think on oftc network?
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2942[20:54:58] <mender27> mnuhmnuh: I will, thanks!
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2943[20:55:15] <RoyK> imho freenode and oftc should merge most of
their stuff
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2954[21:03:46] <mnuhmnuh> i was disappointed when i learned that
ea. network had its own discrete ver. of #debian, no aggregation!?!
well, that's dumb! after email & usenet, sill irc.
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2957[21:04:15] <mnuhmnuh> s/sill/silly
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2959[21:05:00] <annadane> i'll make my own network! with ...
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2962[21:05:34] <rocketmagnet> thanks for your help guys, see you
all
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2963[21:05:36] <rocketmagnet> bye
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2970[21:06:58] <mender27> bye, rocketmagnet
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2975[21:08:29] <queso> I just got a new Lenovo ThinkPad laptop. I
want to rub Windows off and put Debian on. I know nothing about
UEFI. Is there anything I need to do in the BIOS before Debian will
install successfully? Anything else I need to know? (Links welcome.)
Thanks.
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2976[21:09:35] <kwamejr> can anybody help me with this issue that
I'm having? Trying to connect through wireless interface with
RTL8188CUS, I'm currently using debian 9 and when attempting to
connect to the internet a message is displayed saying that the
wireless interfaces are disconnected
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2977[21:09:46] <kwamejr> Can somebody help?
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2978[21:10:01] <mnuhmnuh> queso: i'd guess turn uefi off in
bios; you don't need it, so don't let it get in the way.
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2979[21:10:14] <egrain> is it normal that /boot is empty on a
vps?
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2981[21:10:51] <mnuhmnuh> kwamejr: you may need firmware packages
installed.
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2983[21:11:00] <queso> mnuhmnuh: That's it? Turn it off in
the BIOS?
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2986[21:11:36] <mnuhmnuh> verify, but yes, i believe that's
it.
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2990[21:13:17] <kwamejr> mnuhmnuh: and if the firmware packages
are already installed.
replaced-url
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2992[21:13:18] <mender27> queso: I wouldn't really disable
UEFI. There are some benefits to it.
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2993[21:13:18] <mnuhmnuh> queso: this's just from me reading
others' experience; i've never had to deal with uefi
myself.
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2996[21:14:31] <mnuhmnuh> kwamejr: journalctl
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2997[21:15:10] <mender27> queso: the most important question
though, which ThinkPad model is it?
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2998[21:15:44] <kwamejr> mnuhmnuh: what am I looking for?
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2999[21:15:58] <bites> egrain: yes. try systemd-detect-virt to
find out what virtualization is used. in containers there is no need
for /boot, full virtualization like kvm usually has it.
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3000[21:16:08] <queso> mender27: X1, 5th gen. Just got it for
work. Looks great. :) I got 5th instead of 6th gen because I saw
there were some issues with Linux on 6th gen.
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3001[21:16:29] <egrain> bites, openvz.
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3002[21:16:34] <queso> mender27: So debian should install fine?
Should I install all available BIOS updates first while Windows is
still on it?
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3003[21:16:35] <egrain> is that good or bad?
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3004[21:16:47] <bites> egrain: that's containers. no need
for /boot.
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3007[21:17:27] <rant> I would never flash a working bios
personally..
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3008[21:17:40] <egrain> bites, but that means i can't
install another linux on it, right? except via the menu on the site.
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3010[21:18:05] <rant> fixing things that aren't broke is
never a good idea, but more so when they have potential to ruin an
entire machine
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3011[21:18:11] <mnuhmnuh> kwamejr: in journalctl, type
/rtl819<Enter>
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3013[21:18:22] <bites> egrain: containers share a kernel with the
host. you can't simply install a completely new system.
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3015[21:18:38] <mender27> queso: I would say definitely yes.
Later, you'll need to run DOS from a thumbdrive to get BIOS
updates.
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3016[21:19:00] <rant> usually if you read bios changelogs they
aren't updating anything worth the riskk anyhow
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3017[21:19:06] <egrain> bites, but i can select some ubuntus,
some debians and some centoses. does that mean it switches me from
machine to machine? or does it reinstall the host then?
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3019[21:19:51] <mender27> I'm off! See you and good luck :)
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3020[21:20:07] <bites> egrain: they can run different
distributions on the same host. each container has its own fs tree.
it just shares the kernel.
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3022[21:20:16] <queso> mnuhmnuh: mender27: rant: Thanks all.
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3024[21:20:55] <egrain> bites, i see. so how would i go about
changing distributions while i'm trapped in the container?
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3026[21:21:19] <bites> egrain: you use the tools the hoster gives
you. i don't know what service you use.
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3027[21:21:53] <kwamejr> mnuhmnuh: check
replaced-url
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3028[21:22:00] <egrain> bites, strato. they don't offer what
i want though. that means i won't get what i want, doesn't
it?
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3030[21:23:21] <bites> egrain: strato uses openvz? that's
interesting. could you show me the output of uname -a ?
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3032[21:23:46] <bites> egrain: but no, i wouldn't mess with
it, just pick a provider that gives you what you want.
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3033[21:23:51] <mnuhmnuh> what does "rtl8192cu 1-3:1.0
wlx0013ef5024c2: renamed from wlan0" mean? i don't use
wifi.
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3037[21:24:03] <egrain> bites, Linux h2794181.stratoserver.net
4.9.0 #1 SMP Wed May 23 10:04:13 MSK 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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3038[21:25:02] <mnuhmnuh> kwamejr: /sbin/iwconfig should display
your iface(s).
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3039[21:25:55] <egrain> bites, Virtuozzo it says on the page. i
didn't know i had to look out for that. well, thanks though.
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3043[21:28:02] <mnuhmnuh> kwamejr: are you running nm-applet? see
icons on your x interface that appear to be network related?
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3052[21:34:11] <bites> egrain: yeah, virtuozzo s the proprietary
bit on top of openvz
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3072[21:45:36] <fath0m> Hello. Is somebody willing to help me
install graphics drivers on Debian 9.5? My graphics are radeon 530
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3073[21:45:48] <fath0m> this is on a laptop btw. Cpu is i5-8250u
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3080[21:48:09] <mnuhmnuh> fath0m: do you have the firmware
packages installed? dunno if your chip is supported or not. see
aptitude search ...
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3081[21:48:38] <fath0m> i've done nonfree install of amd gpu
drivers, but still, it does not seem to work.
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3082[21:48:50] <fath0m> how can i check if it is even detected by
my system?
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3083[21:49:01] <mnuhmnuh> journalctl
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3086[21:50:24] <mnuhmnuh> does "apt show" your firmware
pkgs mention your chip?
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3161[22:45:59] <gZen> Hi all
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3167[22:48:09] <gZen> Do someone knox smthg about zentyal plz ?
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3169[22:48:46] <mnuhmnuh> not found in stable. what is it?
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3174[22:50:53] <gZen> an all in one distrib samba-based and user
friendly, my company use it
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3176[22:51:58] <gZen> it display a very user friendly server to
communicate with windows server
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3179[22:54:07] <gZen> (sry about my voc, i'm french...) My
boss is looking for a NAS-like system, available for out of the LAN,
for a file server
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3181[22:54:40] <phogg> gZen: Looks like zentyal is a Linux
distribution. Are you trying to achieve a similar set of features on
top of Debian?
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3182[22:54:43] <gZen> using the active directory's users
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3184[22:55:23] <gZen> isnt' it based on debian ?
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3185[22:55:43] <rant> we don't do based on debian here, we
support Debian stable
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3188[22:56:09] <rant> we are just debian users volunteering our
time and knowledge
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3194[22:58:49] <gZen> ok, do you know where can i found an
adapted channel ?
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3195[22:58:56] <gZen> thx
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3196[23:01:01] <fpat> gZen: read "/msg alis help list"
for a channel search on this network
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