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• 26[00:15:20] <thm> there used to be a url where one could browse patches in debian packages, but I can't find it anymore. any hints?
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• 28[00:15:46] <rant> every mirror is such a url
• 29[00:16:11] <thm> I mean unpacked patches
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• 43[00:22:09] <rant> replaced-url
• 44[00:22:19] <rant> idk.. those are pretty much all the different sites..
• 45[00:23:13] <rant> I suggest you make yourself some bookmarks, preferably on a browser that stores your bookmarks in the cloud so you don't forget next time :P
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• 51[00:27:00] <thm> source.debian.org is what I was looking for. thanks.
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• 60[00:30:19] <Roenie_> How is Plasma 5 in buster?
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• 63[00:31:15] <rant> Roenie_: idk, ask someone in #debian-next on irc.debian.org ( irc.oftc.net ) we only do stable here
• 64[00:31:26] <Roenie_> ah thx
• 65[00:31:26] <rant> try perhaps also #debian-kde on the same server
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• 69[00:32:06] <Roenie_> yea that was probably worth resetting my freenode nickserv password for
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• 71[00:32:30] <rant> you mean just to get sent to another server? :P
• 72[00:32:30] <Roenie_> :D
• 73[00:33:06] <rant> good news is, if you wanna register on OFTC as well, they dont verify email so its quicker, less steps
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• 131[01:11:09] <nickgaw> Hi, I am trying to compile samba from git and find that python-config and distutils is not a part of the samba developer dependencies why is this?
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• 142[01:18:35] <whislock> nickgaw: Are you referring to the build-deps for samba?
• 143[01:18:57] <nickgaw> yes
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• 147[01:21:30] <whislock> nickgaw: There is no 'python-config' package in Debian. What are you expecting to find, exactly?
• 148[01:21:35] <Roenie_> rant: in the debian-kde channel they're recommending I use debian for KDE. meanwhile, at kubuntu' s channel nothing but the sound of crickets. I think debian wins by default...
• 149[01:22:30] <nickgaw> python.h is not installed as configure tells me this.
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• 152[01:23:46] <whislock> nickgaw: replaced-url
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• 154[01:24:37] <whislock> Probably one of the libpython*-dev packages.
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• 213[02:14:15] <shadow98> ok i can browse the network and see my share but I cannot connect with the user I created and password. Here is the config file replaced-url
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• 221[02:16:59] <Jmabsd> how install latest Nvidia drivers?
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• 223[02:17:37] <shadow98> sorry this is a samba share I am trying to create.
• 224[02:18:10] <Jmabsd> i need to add the "experimental" source i guess
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• 226[02:18:29] <jmcnaught> Jmabsd: don't add experimental to stable, it's going to break stuff
• 227[02:18:37] <jmcnaught> you can't mix Debian releases like that
• 228[02:18:54] <Jmabsd> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 229[02:19:11] <jmcnaught> Jmabsd: the safe instructions are here: replaced-url
• 230[02:19:41] <jmcnaught> Debian isn't really a "use the latest software" kind of distro, it's a "use what's been tested and known to work" distro
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• 234[02:20:03] <Jmabsd> jmcnaught: yes i see..
• 235[02:20:24] <Jmabsd> jmcnaught: i like to give that experimental version 410 a shot
• 236[02:20:44] <Jmabsd> jmcnaught: i add "deb replaced-url
• 237[02:20:56] <Jmabsd> and then.. "apt-get install nvidia-drivers"?
• 238[02:20:58] <jmcnaught> Jmabsd: don't do it, you will break stuff
• 239[02:21:11] <Jmabsd> jmcnaught: i can afford to reinstall this system
• 240[02:21:20] <karlpinc> Jmabsd: You can (conceivably) backport, but only when you can recompile the source.
• 241[02:21:21] <Jmabsd> jmcnaught: but like, will the nvidia drivers break or it'll take down other parts of the system?
• 242[02:21:52] <jmcnaught> Jmabsd: it's your time to waste… maybe also take a look at replaced-url
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• 244[02:22:45] <Jmabsd> jmcnaught: my apt-get install nvidia-driver got me the 384 version (from stable), i guess i need to add "-t experimental"
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• 246[02:23:47] <Jmabsd> ahh, the /etc/apt/sources.list line needed may be "deb replaced-url
• 247[02:24:09] <jmcnaught> Jmabsd: the nvidia wiki page i linked above has instructions for getting 390.48 from stretch backports, which is the newest you can install safely and easily
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• 249[02:25:13] <Jmabsd> cool aha, ok will try!
• 250[02:25:17] <zmeu> hello, anyone can help me with OpenSwan ? Idk why when I tried to connect from my iPhone i got disconnect - debug: replaced-url
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• 306[03:20:06] <user37> is anyone else having issues with TLS handshakes lately? while browsing i notice that some sites are waiting for TLS handshake and then sometimes time out.
• 307[03:20:15] <user37> other times browsing is fine
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• 309[03:21:21] <user37> also if i ping sites like 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 i get dropped packets
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• 311[03:22:14] <c|oneman> install noping for a better ping experience
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• 320[03:27:34] <rant> user37: are you using wifi?
• 321[03:27:48] <user37> yes
• 322[03:28:02] <user37> tried resetting router, didnt seem to help
• 323[03:28:10] <rant> sounds like you are experiencing interferrence, packet loss, and possibly eavsdropping, who knows
• 324[03:28:20] <rant> user37: have you done a site survey?
• 325[03:28:47] <rant> user37: are you using 2.4ghz?
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• 327[03:28:50] <joepublic> are there people in the building with the munchies operating microwave ovens and you on wifi?
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• 329[03:29:10] <rant> heh.. yeah older cordless phones will do it too
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• 331[03:30:23] <rant> 2.4ghz band has 14 or so channels.. each channel actually overlaps two channels on either side of it
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• 338[03:32:50] <whislock> Depends on the country. In the US, only 11.
• 339[03:33:26] <rant> i.e. if I am using ch6 I am communicating at 2.437ghz but my band ranges from ch4 to ch8 (roughly 2.416-2.436ghz) and any communication on any of those 5 channels could interfere.. the adapter calibrates for this by doing whats called a noise floor calibration algorithm
• 340[03:33:54] <rant> the more stuff in that range the higher my noise floor and the narrower my signal band becomes
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• 342[03:34:32] <rant> one should put a device in a monitor mode and listen to all frequencies and get a site survey to see what channels are in use within range
• 343[03:35:11] <rant> one solution many folk are finding with congested 2.4ghz bands these days is simply switching to 5ghz if their equipment supports it because less people are using that band
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• 345[03:38:19] <user37> so basically wifi is unreliable?
• 346[03:38:23] <t3st3r> <user37> tried resetting router, didnt seem to help <- look on wireless stats.
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• 348[03:39:14] <t3st3r> it is unreliable. 5GHz is relatively short range and gets stuck in obstacles. 2.4GHz could be crowded, depending on environment.
• 349[03:39:20] <rant> wifi is abused is more like it..
• 350[03:39:36] <t3st3r> Protocol itself is funny enough to allow everyone disconnect you at will to make it more fun :)
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• 353[03:40:58] <t3st3r> actually any radio is not 100% reliable, even if sometimes looks otherwise
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• 356[03:41:13] <rant> I was at a school once.. they had the IT lab with desktops side by side along 3 walls of the classroom, and the business tech lab next door with the same.. probably over 100 machines easily.. all with a perfectly good wired network.. and the stupid teacher told me to put wifi cards in them all.. I told the fool it wasn't gonna work.. but they insisted. After I finished the painstaking task, they asked how
• 357[03:41:19] <rant> come the wifi keeps dropping every 3 seconds? and I said BECAUSE YOU over 100 RADIOS SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER all on the same channel.. DUH
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• 359[03:42:10] <t3st3r> if they have to exchange data they have to be on same channel...
• 360[03:42:52] <t3st3r> unless one is up for ISP-like infrastructure, etc.
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• 363[03:44:00] <rant> this is just one of many modern examples of "you can't fix stupid"
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• 367[03:45:56] <rant> hell even if you live over 120m or more from the nearest neighbor.. and you're relatively isolated.. if you got a cheap home router and you have 5 people living there, Jimmy got a cell phone, tablet, xbox, ps3, laptop, susie got a cell phone and a desktop, gary has a ps3, cell phone, and a tablet, etc, etc.. all that is on wifi.. you got more than that dinky lil thing can handle :P
• 368[03:46:29] <rant> those things could probably ideally support 8 devices at once at most
• 369[03:46:48] <t3st3r> it depends on that thing. These days some routers are quite powerful.
• 370[03:47:00] <rant> when you got 5 people all having at least 3 devices.. you're taxing the crap out of the thing
• 371[03:47:16] <t3st3r> though selecting powerful HW with plenty of CPU horsepower and RAM is nice idea
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• 374[03:48:12] <t3st3r> either way if someone got packets lost, etc - go look iw dev wlan0 station dump, etc (assuming wireless is wlan0)
• 375[03:49:02] <Danetteiyq3> .
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• 379[03:50:22] <t3st3r> the later gives fairly good overview of what goes on - as long as one can understand it means.
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• 399[04:03:39] <darkferret> where is the FreeBSD port going?
• 400[04:03:57] <darkferret> They have FreeBSD 12 now but Debian kfreebsd doesn't
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• 409[04:06:14] <darkferret> How would I compile Debian kNetBSD?
• 410[04:06:23] <darkferret> I think NetBSD is a better alternative than the FreeBSD
• 411[04:06:48] <darkferret> as FreeBSD 12.0 booted up with no nouveau while NetBSD rather supported my Nvidia graphics well
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• 422[04:11:48] <peterrooney> what is the source for the `not since 2003' claim in dpkg's sysvinit factoid?
• 423[04:11:54] <peterrooney> dpkg: sysvinit
• 424[04:11:54] <dpkg> sysvinit is an essential package providing System-V-like init utilities (e.g. /sbin/init) required to boot a Debian system. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz . As of sysvinit 2.88dsf-3, concurrent (parallel) booting is the default when <dependency based startup> is enabled. sysvinit hasn't been able to correctly boot the Linux kernel since 2003, which is why alternatives have been actively pursued.
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• 436[04:19:22] <rant> dpkg, factinfo sysvinit
• 437[04:19:22] <dpkg> sysvinit -- last modified at Mon Feb 10 00:26:10 2014 by themill!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 149 times, last by peterrooney, 7m 29s ago.
• 438[04:19:46] <rant> maybe themill would know
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• 449[04:24:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1464
• 450[04:25:25] <user37> t3st3r, how do i look at wireless stats? im reading about iw... yes i do use 2.4GHz
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• 452[04:25:34] <user37> i used iw wlp4s2 info
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• 455[04:28:37] <Tom-_> uhm sysvinit isn't supposed to boot the kernel, the kernel is supposed to boot sysvinit
• 456[04:28:57] <Tom-_> i find that factoid to be weird
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• 463[04:31:16] <dumbazzadmin> So... I just did a bad thing...
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• 465[04:31:33] <dumbazzadmin> I am pretty sure I accidentally wrote some amount of data to the front of my system drive.
• 466[04:31:46] <dumbazzadmin> And then I rebooted.
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• 468[04:31:57] <dumbazzadmin> Of course the partitions aren't recognized.
• 469[04:32:06] <dumbazzadmin> Just a sanity check: how much data could I have overwritten and still somehow be able to recover?
• 470[04:32:47] <joepublic> varies widely. maybe boot with super grub 2 rescue disk and grub-install /dev/sdwhatever
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• 472[04:34:58] <dumbazzadmin> I booted into recovery on the install CD and can mount the first partition (which is no longer the correct partition, because it's the partition of the disk image I accidentally overwrote with) and the second (root) won't even anything.
• 473[04:35:25] <dumbazzadmin> I don't care about being able to boot, but the bigger problem is that it was an encrypted lvm
• 474[04:35:46] <dumbazzadmin> I assume the LVM data is stored early on the drive?
• 475[04:35:54] <joepublic> so instead of "varies widely", it's now "looks like some amount less than you did"
• 476[04:36:11] <dumbazzadmin> Well shoot
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• 492[04:45:04] <rant> dumbazzadmin: do you have a LUKS header backup?
• 493[04:45:32] <rant> were there no LVM or LUKS this would possibly be an easy fix
• 494[04:45:49] <dumbazzadmin> I did have a header backup, but I'm currently struggling to find it
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• 496[04:45:59] <rant> but as is, without a header backup it is probably not at all possible
• 497[04:46:41] <rant> as anything you tried would be risky and experimental, you would likely want to image the entire disk before trying anything
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• 499[04:47:48] <rant> were this not an encrypted LVM I'd suggest gpart but I've never tried that on LVM or LUKS.. I have had success with it on a plain old ext partition though.. it guesses and rewrites the partition table and then you just fsck your way out of trouble
• 500[04:48:12] <rant> in this case however you'd need to fix parition table, LVM, LUKS header, then FS
• 501[04:48:45] <dumbazzadmin> If I'm able to find the header, is it feasible to at worst decrypt the raw disk and do something like a photorec over it? Or am I misunderstanding the order in which everything is encrypted?
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• 503[04:49:14] <dumbazzadmin> Jeez okay, this isn't looking good
• 504[04:50:09] <dumbazzadmin> I'm guessing that maybe user encryption is the safer bet next time? Rather than whole disk?
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• 506[04:50:49] <rant> maybe using a fingerprint reader that shocks you instead of giving you root access is the safer bet :P
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• 508[04:52:57] <dumbazzadmin> I know, I know.... I was writing an application to manage Raspberry Pi disk images and load them in a systemd-nepawn container, as well as write modified images to disk, and tested some guard code to prevent doing exactly this
• 509[04:53:50] <dumbazzadmin> I ASSUME that is what did it, testing when the guard was broken, except that I was using a non existent /dev/sdb
• 510[04:54:15] <dumbazzadmin> So I'm not sure how in the world I ended up writing over my sda
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• 513[04:56:05] <dumbazzadmin> I looked through my command history before I rebooted and there was no point at which I accidentally ran it as sda. And the code used the parameter string exactly, so there was no manipulation in the program
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• 525[05:08:13] <user37> 15% packet loss is good, right?
• 526[05:08:44] <joepublic> I've seen worse...
• 527[05:08:57] <user37> like on average
• 528[05:09:06] <user37> usually 10 to 30
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• 530[05:09:49] <user37> i guess i gotta use wired
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• 533[05:10:40] <joepublic> My conky ping monitor is showing me 100% packets transmitted to about 25 hosts in my watch window. So, it's possible to do better than 15% loss.
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• 598[06:05:23] <nirakara> so, i installed KDE after installing XFCE. Now none of my tray icons appear in XFCE. how do i fix this? Is the only solution to completely reset my XFCE profile?
• 599[06:05:52] <nirakara> normal user programs like variety wallpaper changer, steam etc do not appear
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• 611[06:25:06] <t3st3r> <user37> t3st3r, how do i look at wireless stats? <- Something like iw dev wlp4s2 station dump.
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• 613[06:25:39] <t3st3r> ofc you have to be connected for some time and look on this periodically to get the idea.
• 614[06:25:57] <Resilience> hello to everyone, I am updating debian, and grub says that the HD's have changed and that it doe snot find where it has been installed, is there anywhere where I can read where it was?
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• 618[06:26:25] <tentacledude> engineglue: hi
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• 629[06:30:37] <t3st3r> user37> and read manuals. Well, if your signal level is bad - move closer/try different antenna or router placement. If too much noise - go another channel. And so on.
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• 638[06:45:00] <mmoreno80> hey! having problems installing wine32. looks like something is broken in my system; I have a stretch + some testing packages, and it supports both amd64 and i386. Could you take a look at this? replaced-url
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• 640[06:48:13] <tacocat> mmoreno80, take a look at replaced-url
• 641[06:48:14] <jordanm> ...apt really is an awful package manager
• 642[06:49:20] <jordanm> mmoreno80: paste the output of `apt-cache policy`
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• 644[06:50:25] <mmoreno80> jordanm: checking. policies: replaced-url
• 645[06:50:57] <jordanm> also, a side node, typically lutris and/or playonlinux is a much better way of installing wine because you can install multiple versions as well as newer versions
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• 648[06:51:44] <rwp> mmoreno80, I think your system qualifies for replaced-url
• 649[06:51:58] <mmoreno80> lol
• 650[06:51:59] <jordanm> yeah, you have unstable sources in your repo list
• 651[06:52:15] <jordanm> even at a lower priority, apt is really awful at handling those types of resolutions
• 652[06:52:53] <rwp> Not just all of Stable, Testing, Unstable but also a bunch of other third parties too.
• 653[06:53:14] <mmoreno80> true.
• 654[06:53:17] <jordanm> those third party repos look fine. they don't contain packages that conflict with the main repo
• 655[06:53:33] <rwp> jordanm, Apparently you have had a bad experience but apt is really an excellent package manager compared to the others I have used.
• 656[06:54:10] <jordanm> rwp: I ran debian on my workstation for 8 years. it got worse and worse over the years while other package managers (yum/dnf) improved tremendously
• 657[06:54:58] <jordanm> I honestly can not think of a single thing apt does better than dnf, having used both very extensively
• 658[06:55:19] <rwp> Debian as a whole has certainly degraded a lot in recent years. APT has stayed pretty good though. yum/dnf have improved considerably.
• 659[06:55:33] <cinch> dnf is super slow on a raspberry pi :p
• 660[06:55:36] <rwp> Speed? Apt is at least 10x faster than yum. Hands down.
• 661[06:55:55] <Hooloovo0> how does ports compare
• 662[06:55:58] <Hooloovo0> portage?
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• 665[06:56:43] <mmoreno80> jordanm: found the problem. It tries to install a different version of libp11-kit0. replaced-url
• 666[06:56:45] <cinch> portage is slow too
• 667[06:56:54] <jordanm> I would want to see benchmarks on that. dnf sometimes seems slower because it doesn't have a need for a separate `apt-get update` task, it's integrated into install/update
• 668[06:57:14] <jordanm> Hooloovo0: I wouldn't compare portage, which is a source-based package manager to a binary package manager
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• 670[06:57:26] <Hooloovo0> fair enough
• 671[06:57:55] <jordanm> in 2007 `emerge world`, the equivilent of apt-get dist-upgrade or dnf update used to take 10+ hours on my machine. so quite a bit slower
• 672[06:58:02] <mmoreno80> jordanm: thanks for the help! I have downgraded the package and now wine32 properly installs!
• 673[06:58:03] <rwp> Even yum -C is very slow though.
• 674[06:58:10] <jordanm> then you found you missed some USE flag you needed and have to do it all again :)
• 675[06:58:42] <jordanm> rwp: I'm not convinced
• 676[06:58:58] <rwp> mmoreno80, I think I would comment out all of the sources.list entries. Then uncomment the *one* you wish to use. Then apt-get update, then apt-get install from there.
• 677[06:59:01] <jordanm> mmoreno80: I am not sure I actually helped?
• 678[06:59:06] <rwp> A single repository should be completely self-consistent.
• 679[06:59:12] <jordanm> mmoreno80: definitely check out lutris, though
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• 683[07:01:23] <mmoreno80> jordanm: you pointed me in the right direction: "Installation on Debian Jessie and newer" - Step 2: Installation says: "The multiarch setup requires packages from e.g. amd64 and i386 to be in exactly the same version"
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• 685[07:02:16] <jordanm> mmoreno80: tacocat was the one that linked that wiki page. he deserves the credit
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• 687[07:03:19] <jordanm> if only apt/dpkg could say... depend on a library version instead of strictly package <-> package dependencies
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• 689[07:04:01] <mmoreno80> tacocat: thanks for link! it helped me to fix the issue!
• 690[07:04:05] <mmoreno80> :D
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• 692[07:04:09] <tacocat> :)
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• 798[09:00:19] <JamesBong> top of the morning
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• 801[09:01:25] <JamesBong> quick question, I am trying to configure a static IP to wlan0 on my raspberry, for some reaseon "service networking restart" does not assing it. I configured the ip in interfaces
• 802[09:01:50] <JamesBong> what am I missing?
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• 805[09:05:11] <Sveta> JamesBong I guess you could setup static ip in the modem settings?
• 806[09:05:35] <Sveta> also pastebin the interfaces file, I think that would work too
• 807[09:05:52] <JamesBong> Sveta: in the modem settings?
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• 809[09:06:16] <JamesBong> Sveta: I am not aware of a modem on that raspberry
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• 813[09:08:12] <JamesBong> Sveta: replaced-url
• 814[09:08:46] <JamesBong> I am using stretch
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• 836[09:23:21] <noocx> hi
• 837[09:23:30] <noocx> can you tell me how can I set CanTTY or CanMultisession for seat1 with loginctl?
• 838[09:23:33] <noocx> trying to do a dual seat setup, but my second monitor is blank
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• 946[10:41:31] <diogenes_> hi
• 947[10:41:35] <rozie> linux-image-4.19.0-2-amd64-unsigned
• 948[10:41:49] <rozie> what is difference between signed and unsigned kernels?
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• 957[10:45:24] <diogenes_> rozie, hardware will have secure boot. The problem is, that this hardware won't boot an OS that is not signed. The hardware is checking the software at startup to see if it is signed. If it isn't, the hardware will prevent the software from booting.
• 958[10:45:57] <diogenes_> so with unsigned you need to disable secure boot
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• 961[10:47:04] <rozie> OK, but on machines without secure boot I can use both?
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• 963[10:47:21] <diogenes_> you can use both in any case
• 964[10:47:39] <rozie> thx!
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• 1024[11:29:41] <a__pi> I created a repo in localhost with reprepro (unsigned) with 'Origin: localrepo' , added the repo as trusted "deb [ trusted=yes ]..." , added the pinning in /etc/apt/preferences , 'Package: *,Pin: origin "localrepo",Pin-Priority: 1001' , made an apt-get update and in apt-cache policy and continue being with priority 500. Where could be the problem?
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• 1074[12:18:15] <ov3rmind> hello guys on my litle router my raspberry with raspbian apear on dhcp clients lists as raspberry my fone apear at some like android-123.... and my notebook runing debian apear as unknown why, how i can change this?
• 1075[12:18:22] <ov3rmind> thanks
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• 1081[12:23:46] <well_laid_lawn> have you set the name for the laptop in /etc/hosts ?
• 1082[12:24:33] <ov3rmind> yes
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• 1085[12:26:28] <well_laid_lawn> ok
• 1086[12:27:28] <ov3rmind> and had an mac address associated at name
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• 1226[14:20:19] <roger21> hello
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• 1228[14:20:56] <roger21> i just want to read the exif data from jpeg (and probably pipe then on a grep or so)
• 1229[14:21:09] <roger21> what is the ok tool for that
• 1230[14:21:18] <roger21> (i ses there are several one
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• 1233[14:21:54] <roger21> i don't want to write them although if it could remove then tjhat could be nice
• 1234[14:23:51] <madage> exiv2
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• 1239[14:27:34] <nkuttler> roger21: i like exiftool, but it does much more than just exif
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• 1252[14:36:32] <roger21> thank you i'll check them
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• 1320[15:27:45] <AK_> how to allow user git to also read write to a dir like /var/replaced-url
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• 1327[15:30:47] <format_c> AK_: put the user into the group that owns this directory. Then change the mode of the directory that the group has write permission.
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• 1351[15:47:20] <leemar> Does anyone know why Squirrelmail is no longer available in Stretch?
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• 1361[15:52:10] <SwedeMike> leemar: my understanding is that it's no longer being developed or maintained. last announcement on replaced-url
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• 1367[15:55:57] <leemar> SwedeMike: Gotcha. Any suggested supported replacements?
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• 1485[17:14:12] <maxzor> Hello, I have a qt issue related to system header. Qtcreator source parser does not find /urs/include/features.h from libc6-dev package. Do you know when I should mention to qt this include file? before compilation? after?
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• 1526[17:41:18] <algun|home> Hi. I noticed Debian has no Swift, no TypeScript, no Kotlin. This doesn't bode well for the distro. It was never geared towards desktop, but at least it had dev packages. What's going on? And suffer me preemptively addressing the free software guilt game - I never packaged for Debian before when it had dev stuff.
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• 1535[17:45:30] <joepublic> Complaining about the paucity of debian packages is noted. Thank you.
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• 1580[18:02:23] <algun|home> joepublic: make Debian repository devel subsection great again
• 1581[18:03:19] <joepublic> Thank you also for your suggestion for improvement. Community participation is the backbone of community projects.
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• 1583[18:04:13] <algun|home> Let me know if I can do more short of actually doing the packaging work myself
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• 1586[18:05:02] <joepublic> ,v swift
• 1587[18:05:03] <judd> Package: swift on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.8-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.4.8-2+deb7u1; jessie: 2.2.0-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2.10.2-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.10.2-1~deb9u1; buster: 2.19.0-2; sid: 2.19.0-2
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• 1590[18:05:35] <algun|home> ,i swift
• 1591[18:05:36] <judd> Package swift (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: distributed virtual object store - common files. Version: 2.10.2-1~deb9u1; Size: 76.5k; Installed: 161k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1592[18:05:46] <apollo13> node-typescript isn't the typescript you are looking for?
• 1593[18:06:16] <algun|home> apollo13: oh that one's actually right. Thanks, missed it.
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• 1595[18:06:24] <joepublic> "language for application scale javascript development"
• 1596[18:06:24] <algun|home> So Swift and Kotlin.
• 1597[18:06:37] <joepublic> in fairness, no kotlin
• 1598[18:06:43] <algun|home> or Swift
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• 1600[18:07:13] <algun|home> See #swift for more information XD
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• 1602[18:07:16] <apollo13> *shrug* debian is already packaging half the world :D
• 1603[18:07:34] <apollo13> also isn't swift an apple thing?
• 1604[18:08:07] <apollo13> as in, why would you want to use that without xcode & friends
• 1605[18:08:20] <algun|home> Yes, but it's also free software with support from IBM. Kinda like Kotlin, JetBrains and Google.
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• 1607[18:08:47] <apollo13> don't get me wrong, I understand that you might miss kotlin
• 1608[18:08:56] <algun|home> apollo13: It's a pretty modern language, except its protocols are crap.
• 1609[18:09:04] <apollo13> but swift is afaik mainly for ios stuff, where you'd probably want a mac anyways
• 1610[18:09:24] <apollo13> modern maybe, doesn't mean people use it outside of the apple bubble (apparently)
• 1611[18:09:32] <algun|home> Languages are used on platforms and supported by IDEs. They're not *for* platforms or IDEs.
• 1612[18:09:32] <joepublic> Even were I forced to develop ios stuff, I wouldn't want a mac. Speaking on my own behalf.
• 1613[18:09:48] <algun|home> IBM uses it on the server (see Kitura)
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• 1615[18:10:37] <algun|home> joepublic: unfortunately you'd at least have to run a hackintosh (or outsource your compilation and running...)
• 1616[18:10:55] <joepublic> Isn't kotlin an eclipse plugin?
• 1617[18:10:57] <algun|home> There's no compiling for the iOS without Apple I'm afraid.
• 1618[18:11:10] <Kobaz> i upgraded to buster, having an issue with cups... Paused - "Backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/socket does not exist!"
• 1619[18:11:15] <Kobaz> but it DOES exist!
• 1620[18:11:18] <apollo13> algun|home: I know that they are not *for* platforms or ides, but I also wouldn't wanna use winforms on a non windows box…
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• 1622[18:11:48] <joepublic> Hi Kobaz, buster has not been released. Thanks for volunteering to test it. You can share your experiences with other testers of this unreleased software over on oftc in #debian-next.
• 1623[18:11:50] <algun|home> apollo13: I think there are GTK bindings for it. Of course Kitura is a web thing.
• 1624[18:12:03] <Kobaz> sounds good
• 1625[18:12:09] <Kobaz> invite only
• 1626[18:12:15] <apollo13> algun|home: that is not the point I am trying to make though. I also wouldn't write GTK if I hate a choice
• 1627[18:12:24] <joepublic> it isn't invite only. It's on the oftc irc network.
• 1628[18:12:25] <apollo13> Kobaz: no it is not, but it is not on freenode
• 1629[18:12:30] <Kobaz> ah
• 1630[18:12:46] <algun|home> apollo13: Well someone developing for say, Librem 5 would.
• 1631[18:12:54] <algun|home> Different folks, you know.
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• 1633[18:13:56] <algun|home> joepublic: Kotlin is a language developed by JetBrains (proprietors[n.b.] of IntelliJ IDEA), but also an official Android language (besides Java)
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• 1635[18:14:06] <apollo13> algun|home: s/hate/had/ obviously. and yes if it is the best option I'd use GTK; on a normal PC it is generally not imo
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• 1638[18:14:32] <apollo13> (even though I use and love gnome I wouldn't want to use GTK myself)
• 1639[18:14:33] <algun|home> What would you use, out of curiosity, Qt?
• 1640[18:14:35] <apollo13> yes
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• 1642[18:15:05] <joepublic> Isn't kotlin "a language developed by JetBrains (proprietors[n.b.] of IntelliJ IDEA), but also an official Android language (besides Java)" that's an eclipse plugin?
• 1643[18:15:10] <algun|home> That's a common theme in dev forums, yet most of us all prefer to *use* GTK to Qt programs it seems.
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• 1647[18:15:41] <algun|home> joepublic: A programming language is hardly an IDE plugin.
• 1648[18:15:43] <apollo13> algun|home: I wouldn't go that far, I like gnome shell -- that's about it.
• 1649[18:16:35] <algun|home> apollo13: I doubt you have more Qt apps than GTK ones, even if we ignore those that are part of GNOME.
• 1650[18:16:51] <algun|home> But again, we may differ
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• 1652[18:17:11] <joepublic> Doesn't the all-wise and mighty jetbrains publish kotlin, the language before which we all bow, in the form of... an eclipse plugin?
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• 1654[18:17:13] <apollo13> algun|home: if I leave the gnome apps out of the count I sadly have probably more electron apps than qt or gtk
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• 1657[18:17:44] <apollo13> algun|home: I mean I guess it is a matter of perspective, firefox & thunderbird are not really gtk apps for me
• 1658[18:17:59] <apollo13> in the sense that the wouldn't feel any different if they were qt apps
• 1659[18:18:01] <algun|home> joepublic: That (an IDE is in charge of compilation, and has a language as a plugin) seems so unlikely I can't be bothered to check.
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• 1665[18:18:30] <algun|home> apollo13: Idk, VLC feels pretty different to me. Wile the transmission-gtk feeling is nice
• 1666[18:18:45] <joepublic> I think I figured out the problem, at least, though the solution is probably unhelpful.
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• 1668[18:19:09] <algun|home> joepublic: Maybe this helps though: Kotlin typically runs on the JVM, and there's also Kotlin/Native for the LLVM
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• 1670[18:19:45] <algun|home> Dalvik anyway
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• 1676[18:20:55] <algun|home> apollo13: Would be nice if someone made a free implementation of Cocoa Touch. Would free up a many an "open source" app for the iOS out there.
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• 1679[18:21:29] <apollo13> doubt it
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• 1682[18:21:35] <algun|home> apollo13: Btw. do you tend to develop Qt apps?
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• 1684[18:21:49] <apollo13> If I do GUI then yes solely Qt
• 1685[18:21:52] <algun|home> And what do you doubt about previous?
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• 1687[18:22:04] <apollo13> we deploy on Windows, Linux & Mac, so GTK is not an option anyways
• 1688[18:22:39] <algun|home> I run GIMP on all of those platforms.
• 1689[18:22:43] <Kobaz> joepublic: anyway, despite this being buster... do you have any generic cups info on this?
• 1690[18:22:58] <Bjornn> gimp is awesome
• 1691[18:23:06] <algun|home> Bjornn: oh yeah? Make a circle then
• 1692[18:23:23] <apollo13> algun|home: yeah I used gimp on windows years ago, ugly as hell. and last time I checked it had X11 (something) dependency on mac
• 1693[18:23:25] <joepublic> Kobaz, I haven't tried cups on buster, sorry
• 1694[18:23:52] <simputer> Why not use Photoshop under Windows
• 1695[18:23:55] <algun|home> apollo13: Hmm, I know inkscape does.
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• 1697[18:24:05] <simputer> Gimp is for Linux
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• 1699[18:24:10] <algun|home> simputer: troll in the dungeon
• 1700[18:24:11] <apollo13> also from a pure technical standpoint the model views in qt are imo way better than in gtk
• 1701[18:24:14] <Bjornn> paint.net is probably best
• 1702[18:24:23] <Kobaz> joepublic: right but.. ignoreing the fact it's on buster... would you have any generic troubleshooting for this
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• 1704[18:24:42] <algun|home> apollo13: Can you substantiate that?
• 1705[18:24:54] <apollo13> algun|home: the model view stuff?
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• 1707[18:25:19] <algun|home> apollo13: yes, preferrably in #debian-offtopic so we don't bother people here any more
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• 1712[18:26:27] <joepublic> There is an old bug with that title, replaced-url
• 1713[18:26:29] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1716[18:26:58] <apollo13> algun|home: I do not like #debian-offtopic, so just a last sentence here. we load lists with millions of entries and as such need dynamic "load more" etc while scrolling in the list. Also custom widgets/delegates for some cells etc… We tried prototypes in wxwidgets/gtk/qt and qt turned out best. ymmv -- but I think API wise and cross platform qt is way ahead
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• 1718[18:27:58] <algun|home> apollo13: how about #programming ?
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• 1720[18:28:12] <joepublic> or #motif-gtk-qt-wars ?
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• 1722[18:28:43] <apollo13> algun|home: another time maybe, it's saturday after all ;)
• 1723[18:28:54] <Kobaz> joepublic: oh... haha i figured it out... it was pulling old/stored/cached state
• 1724[18:29:08] <Kobaz> i did 'resume printer' in the cups control portal and they are all good now
• 1725[18:29:11] <joepublic> Kobaz, glad you got it sorted and sorry I wasn't more helpful
• 1726[18:29:30] <Kobaz> that's okay, heh... half the time i just need to write out the issue and then i figure it out myself
• 1727[18:29:57] <algun|home> apollo13: Too bad, I'd like to learn more about your work (and if I could help you with it in exchange for currency)
• 1728[18:29:59] <Kobaz> i have such weird one-off issues that no one can help me :(
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• 1747[18:40:14] <Peyam> does 'gem install taskjuggler' install lot of dependencies on debian?
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• 1784[19:05:11] <jhutchins> ,v calibre
• 1785[19:05:13] <judd> Package: calibre on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1; wheezy-security: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; jessie-backports: 2.75.1+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 3.31.0+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 3.35.0+dfsg-1; sid: 3.35.0+dfsg-1
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• 1842[19:38:42] <lnslbrty> Hi (.*), i'm currently trying to install debian9 using the netinst image. But my ethernet nic is not available during the setup. After I looked at /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet only a broadcom/cnic.ko driver was there. Why is there no nvidia/forcedeth.ko in a netinstall image? O.o
• 1843[19:38:57] <Peyam> , planner
• 1844[19:39:03] <Peyam> ,v planner
• 1845[19:39:04] <judd> Package: planner on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.14.6-1; jessie: 0.14.6-4; stretch: 0.14.6-5; buster: 0.14.6-7; sid: 0.14.6-7
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• 1852[19:41:03] <Peyam> how do you open those backports in sourcelist
• 1853[19:41:12] <Peyam> what was the deb http:...
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• 1855[19:41:55] <LtL> Peyam: deb replaced-url
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• 1858[19:42:28] <Peyam> thanks
• 1859[19:42:31] <LtL> Peyam: the contrib non-free is optional. np
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• 1861[19:43:09] <Peyam> how do I the version of a software in those repo?
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• 1863[19:43:47] <LtL> Peyam: apt show package or at-cache policy package
• 1864[19:44:13] <LtL> apt-cache, sorry
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• 1866[19:44:45] <Peyam> the version of planner in those repo is 0.14.6-5 but ,v planner says 0.14.6-7
• 1867[19:44:49] <Peyam> ,v planner
• 1868[19:44:50] <judd> Package: planner on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.14.6-1; jessie: 0.14.6-4; stretch: 0.14.6-5; buster: 0.14.6-7; sid: 0.14.6-7
• 1869[19:45:01] <Peyam> in sid
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• 1872[19:47:33] <LtL> Peyam: it's not in backports that i see, so you would need to be running buster or sid to use it
• 1873[19:47:43] <Peyam> hmm thanks
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• 2088[22:22:52] <shadow98> anybody able to help me with samba mount on boot.
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• 2093[22:25:19] <shadow98> this is what is in my fstab -> replaced-url
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• 2095[22:25:39] <shadow98> it works when i do sudo mount -a but when I reboot it does not mount.
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• 2102[22:28:07] <jsubl2> shadow98: i google it for you: replaced-url
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• 2104[22:28:35] <shadow98> been there done that
• 2105[22:28:42] <shadow98> why would i be on irc...
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• 2107[22:28:58] <shadow98> that line works but doesn't work on a reboot
• 2108[22:29:11] <shadow98> so now I am up to what I have now...through multiple google searches...
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• 2110[22:29:37] <jsubl2> //ntserver/share /mnt/samba smbfs username=username,password=password 0 0
• 2111[22:29:41] <jsubl2>
• 2112[22:29:53] <shadow98> smbfs is no longer used
• 2113[22:29:57] <shadow98> already tried that
• 2114[22:30:01] <jsubl2> i give up
• 2115[22:30:02] <shadow98> its cifs
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• 2118[22:30:17] <jsubl2> sorry no windows here
• 2119[22:30:28] <shadow98> i don't use windows either.
• 2120[22:30:36] <jsubl2> need it for work
• 2121[22:30:48] <shadow98> the share is on a raspberry
• 2122[22:31:02] <jsubl2> one would expect google to have an answer
• 2123[22:31:14] <shadow98> sudo mount -a works !! However on reboot it does not automount.
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• 2125[22:31:40] <jsubl2> yeah.. and naturally you want it to automount.... i would
• 2126[22:31:54] <shadow98> well i have been all over searches and yet to find an answer need someone with knowledge of fstab and automounting samba
• 2127[22:32:11] <jsubl2> are you a linux guy
• 2128[22:32:34] <shadow98> Off and on and switched totally in the last 8 months.
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• 2131[22:33:05] <shadow98> Still use windows at work but all the systems I support run on linux.
• 2132[22:33:25] <shadow98> wait 7 of 15 are windows :)
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• 2138[22:34:34] <jsubl2> replaced-url
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• 2142[22:36:16] <shadow98> already tried that...its why im at the line that I have trying to force it to wait on network when it boots.
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• 2145[22:36:32] <shadow98> I think that is most likely the problem because once booted it works fine
• 2146[22:37:11] <jsubl2> good luck
• 2147[22:37:24] <shadow98> #samba is dead :)
• 2148[22:37:37] <jsubl2> cifs lives???
• 2149[22:37:54] <d0rm0us3> Get the netadmin to assign a static IP to the system in question.
• 2150[22:38:10] <shadow98> what
• 2151[22:38:25] <d0rm0us3> Then you won't have to make it wait until the network fires up
• 2152[22:38:33] <jsubl2> great idea d0rm0us3
• 2153[22:38:49] <shadow98> a static ip is assigned to the samba share.
• 2154[22:38:51] <jsubl2> probably the answer. and put the ip in /etc/hosts
• 2155[22:38:57] <shadow98> I am using my laptop to try and mount the share
• 2156[22:39:01] <d0rm0us3> Will work out for security issues also.
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• 2158[22:39:27] <d0rm0us3> ie: controlling which systems attach via IP
• 2159[22:39:50] <d0rm0us3> More overhead I'll admit ...
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• 2163[22:40:44] <shadow98> brb i added that to the hosts file
• 2164[22:40:50] <shadow98> will reboot and see what happens
• 2165[22:40:51] <fireant> oo son of Ares has entered the building ..
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• 2167[22:42:11] <pingfloyd> shadow98: why don't you put a script to do it in /etc/network/if-up.d/?
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• 2169[22:43:54] <shadow98> using systemd
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• 2171[22:44:17] <d0rm0us3> erm.. I would put a static on the device trying to automount.
• 2172[22:44:27] <shadow98> I tried using systemd service as well couldn't get it working at all. At least this mounts with fstab when I am in the OS.
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• 2175[22:44:36] <shadow98> static is on it
• 2176[22:45:02] <d0rm0us3> So both endpoints have static addresses?
• 2177[22:45:08] <shadow98> yes
• 2178[22:45:36] <d0rm0us3> Are you crossing a network boundary with the mount?
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• 2180[22:46:06] <d0rm0us3> ie: 192.168.1.x mounting to 192.168.3.x
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• 2185[22:47:08] <shadow98> same network
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• 2241[23:35:07] <Abdullah> whenever I reboot the system, it gets 3 seconds to get an ipv6. I use network manager btw. so is there a way I can disable it?
• 2242[23:35:17] <Abdullah> I mean noarp.
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• 2245[23:38:12] <friendofafriend> Abdullah: You would like to disable IPv6?
• 2246[23:38:28] <Abdullah> yeah sure
• 2247[23:39:29] <friendofafriend> As root: echo "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1" >> /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf
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• 2249[23:40:02] <Tom-_> replaced-url
• 2250[23:40:05] <Abdullah> btw you have a good nick, I had one when I was a phone user and no internet access was available here. Same meaning I had with that nick but in my language ;-)
• 2251[23:40:33] <Tom-_> facebook, instagram etc all exist in part because we don't have globally addressable IP addresses anymore... it's undemocratic not to use ipv6
• 2252[23:40:37] <friendofafriend> Very good! Always nice to have friends.
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• 2254[23:41:27] <friendofafriend> Tom-_: Facebook exists because the... world can't port forward?
• 2255[23:41:51] <Tom-_> yes, the world can't port forward
• 2256[23:41:58] <Abdullah> friendofafriend: echoes as root, rebooting.
• 2257[23:41:59] <Tom-_> most of the world has no idea what those two terms mean technially
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• 2259[23:43:02] <friendofafriend> Tom-_: So then we'd go back to finger and FTP, yes?
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• 2263[23:44:01] <friendofafriend> Certainly .plan and "web logging" are a lot alike.
• 2264[23:44:13] <Abdullah> still same I had ipv6 errors
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• 2267[23:44:36] <Tom-_> friendofafriend, that didn't make sense to me
• 2268[23:44:47] <Abdullah> inet6 is there in $(ip a)
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• 2270[23:45:32] <friendofafriend> Abdullah: If you're using NetworkManager, you can set method to "Ignore" on the IPv6 tab. replaced-url
• 2271[23:46:02] <friendofafriend> Abdullah: You can also disable IPv6 as a boot argument in grub, but that's a little messy.
• 2272[23:46:24] <Abdullah> I don't use grub btw
• 2273[23:47:02] <friendofafriend> Tom-_: So, you're saying people would communicate by IP to each other and use what we did in the 90s?
• 2274[23:47:29] <Abdullah> I had arch linux and there I can do that by appending noarp to /etc/dhcpcd.conf which I don't have in debian
• 2275[23:47:40] <friendofafriend> Abdullah: OK, well editing your connection properties with NetworkManager should get you square.
• 2276[23:47:49] <Abdullah> oh yeah cos network manager uses its own dhcp
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• 2278[23:48:06] <Tom-_> friendofafriend, i'm saying that, in part, yes! :-)
• 2279[23:48:11] <Abdullah> lemme check if I can do that with nmtui
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• 2281[23:48:41] <friendofafriend> Tom-_: The way we did that was by protocols like "finger", for example, to get day-by-day updates from users on various systems.
• 2282[23:48:54] <friendofafriend> And there was never really great support for that in the Windows ecosystem.
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• 2286[23:49:31] <Tom-_> we're here to help get rid of Windows :) that's seriously the ideology of Debian, to provide a better operating system
• 2287[23:49:45] <Tom-_> (a free one)
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• 2290[23:50:34] <friendofafriend> Of course, and Debian is wonderful. It's just that peer-to-peer interactions are more complicated than dealing with a central point.
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