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• 1[00:00:08] <sney> I only have single-seat, but have you tried it with multi?
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• 4[00:00:54] <plantroon> sney: I noticed that, and the Debian is freaking awesome at handling the compat in Buster. I was actaully amazed because I started looking into reworking everything to nft before upgrading. But will this work in the future? ipset is also a "legacy" feature I believe and for many things there are just no equivalents in nft (ebtables, geoip)
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• 6[00:01:26] <Delf> sney: Might have tried it before. Going to try it now and let you know
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• 9[00:02:23] <sney> plantroon: as long as the kernel retains support for ip sets, there will be some way to manipulate them. but you'd have to ask upstream for specific plans.
• 10[00:02:51] <jim> where's the debian kernel manual living?
• 11[00:03:01] <sney> !kernel handbook
• 12[00:03:01] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
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• 14[00:03:54] <jim> handbook... ok, thanks
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• 17[00:08:31] <Delf> sney: locking the session is not possible, confirmed
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• 20[00:09:35] <sney> hmm. I wonder where support broke down. I'm inclined to point at systemd, except that tends to bring out the crazies
• 21[00:09:52] <sney> in any case, talking with upstream is probably a good next direction for you
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• 25[00:12:02] <Delf> For who? Gnome or sddm?
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• 27[00:12:42] <sney> systemd. since logind used to handle it but doesn't anymore, right?
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• 34[00:21:30] <foul_owl> trek00: replaced-url
• 35[00:21:47] <foul_owl> Relevant line seems to be "firmware: failed to load mrvl/pcie8897_uapsta.bin"
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• 39[00:24:08] <n01d> where can I get a barebone copy of slackware?
• 40[00:24:14] <dvs> foul_owl, seems to be missing firmware-libertas
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• 44[00:27:12] <foul_owl> Is that just a deb I can put on the repacked iso?
• 45[00:27:41] <dvs> yes
• 46[00:28:45] <jhutchins> Hey foul_owl!
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• 50[00:30:26] <foul_owl> Hmm, I see "firmware-libertas_20190114-2_all.deb" on the original netinst iso
• 51[00:30:34] <foul_owl> And on my repacked version
• 52[00:30:56] <foul_owl> jhutchins: Hello
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• 59[00:35:40] <trek00> foul_owl: i can only see mrvl/pcie8897_uapsta.bin not loading for two times, but it was loaded the third one
• 60[00:36:42] <foul_owl> Hmm
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• 62[00:37:35] <foul_owl> The installer just says "No ethernet card detected"
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• 64[00:39:36] <trek00> foul_owl: try to open the shell inside installer and check with lspci -k if the module was loaded and with ifconfig -a if it is ready
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• 70[00:42:41] <foul_owl> lspci shows the card
• 71[00:43:22] <karlpinc> plantroon: replaced-url
• 72[00:43:22] <foul_owl> So the installer has a bug then
• 73[00:43:55] <foul_owl> ip addr show shows wlp1s0
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• 76[00:47:08] <foul_owl> How do I convince the installer that my card does exist?
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• 85[00:57:41] <foul_owl> It prompts me with a huge list of firmware, unfortunately I don't see my card in the list, but lspci shows it correctly
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• 118[01:22:17] <strata> chromium doesn't stay inside an Activity in debian KDE ?
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• 122[01:23:51] <\n3p> Sigyn, #debian-next is invite only is that ok? How can I get invited=
• 123[01:24:05] <sney> !debian-next
• 124[01:24:05] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 126[01:24:23] <HelloShitty> sney: sorry I missed your reply
• 127[01:24:36] <HelloShitty> Well, I haven't that much issues
• 128[01:24:43] <HelloShitty> this is probably the worst one
• 129[01:24:54] <HelloShitty> I'm always able to make it work
• 130[01:24:54] <\n3p> thx
• 131[01:24:59] <HelloShitty> but not this time
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• 140[01:32:52] <lwp> foul_owl, does the problem happen the same way with the unmodified firmware installer .iso ? i.e. is it possible that your repacking has changed something that confuses the installer code ?
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• 142[01:34:27] <foul_owl> Same issue with either iso
• 143[01:34:33] <foul_owl> But no issue with the livecd
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• 147[01:50:52] <Ooze> I'm freezing after entering my user and password, often after just my username, on the login page for Debian. Is this an issue w/ my X env yet?
• 148[01:50:59] <Ooze> Or is the login page separate?
• 149[01:51:07] <Ooze> Just now installing xdm or something
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• 151[01:54:19] <HelloShitty> ok, my problem, seems to be about something called PolicyKit
• 152[01:54:38] <HelloShitty> I mean, about not being able to run hp-check and getting python errors
• 153[01:54:56] <HelloShitty> it is complaining about /etc/PolicyKit
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• 160[02:02:12] <lwp> foul_owl, looking at your dmesg post. The pcie8897_uapsta.bin firmware is unsuccessfully loaded the first try; 2 error messages from that try both say error -2, which is -ENOENT, meaning file not found. The third mention shows the firmware successfully loaded. Note that this is the wireless network adapter, and it does come up successfully.
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• 164[02:03:07] <lwp> foul_owl, also, when you reported here that "ip addr show shows wlp1s0" note that the wl.... part of that would indicate a wireless network adapter
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• 170[02:06:44] <lwp> (and of course, wireless is not ethernet)
• 171[02:07:40] <trek00> foul_owl: it seems the debian installer can't see that kernel found a network card, i don't know why, may be you need debug further, may be configuring it manually will allow the installer to continue?
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• 173[02:08:40] <trek00> foul_owl: it could be the interface comes up or begin renamed after the installer is started
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• 181[02:17:56] <lwp> I don't see anything about any ethernet card anywhere in that dmesg -- i just now scanned the whole thing.
• 182[02:19:37] <lwp> the wireless is renamed here: 48.132138] mwifiex_pcie 0000:01:00.0 wlp1s0: renamed from mlan0
• 183[02:20:34] <lwp> (after the successful load of the firmware which was claimed to be missing from the iso)
• 184[02:23:35] <lwp> foul_owl, when you say "lspci shows the card" can you show us that lspci output please ?
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• 256[04:07:28] <apteryx> hello! which implementation of locate is used by default in Debian? GNU?
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• 258[04:07:47] <sney> yep
• 259[04:07:58] <sney> ,info locate
• 260[04:07:59] <judd> Package locate (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: maintain and query an index of a directory tree. Version: 4.6.0+git+20190209-2; Size: 263.3k; Installed: 421k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 264[04:09:49] <trek00> apteryx: there is also mlocate
• 265[04:09:51] <apteryx> Thanks! I wonder why emacs-helm uses mlocate's updatedb as default (see: replaced-url
• 266[04:10:59] <trek00> apteryx: it's more secure as it check if the user has the permissions to list directory contents
• 267[04:12:44] <trek00> apteryx: anyway updatedb is provided by both locate and mlocate
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• 269[04:19:19] <apteryx> trek00: thanks for the info
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• 276[04:37:11] <nickgaw> Hi, Is this the best place for advice on how to build a custom debian installation disc with the mate desktop and build-essential on it?
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• 284[04:54:24] <karlpinc> nickgaw: Could be. If you have specific problems people here will try to help.
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• 286[04:55:30] <Lovepump> Can someone help explain why this: "libssl-dev : Depends: libssl1.1 (= 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2) but 1.1.1d-0+deb10u3 is to be installed"
• 287[04:55:43] <Lovepump> is happening to me a day after a fresh install of stable?
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• 294[04:59:26] <karlpinc> Lovepump: Have you done an "apt update"? Have you installed any non-debain packages?
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• 300[05:01:40] <dvs> ,v libssl-dev
• 301[05:01:41] <judd> Package: libssl-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u12; stretch: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; buster: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2; buster-security: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u3; bullseye: 1.1.1g-1; sid: 1.1.1g-1
• 302[05:02:12] <dvs> ,v libssl
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• 304[05:02:13] <judd> No package named 'libssl' was found in amd64.
• 305[05:02:22] <dvs> ,v libssl1.1
• 306[05:02:23] <judd> Package: libssl1.1 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; buster: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2; buster-security: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u3; bullseye: 1.1.1g-1; sid: 1.1.1g-1
• 307[05:05:54] <Lovepump> Ahh - was missing the security repo from sources.list
• 308[05:06:27] <dvs> Still doesn't say how the security libssl-dev got on there
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• 310[05:10:46] <Lovepump> I was trying to install libssl-dev without the security repo enabled that gave me libssl
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• 320[05:33:37] <luna_> when crying after deleting someones homefolder :(
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• 327[05:39:11] <Betal> about package naming, is there any diference on + - ~ between upstream_version and debian_version, example: 1.1.1d-0'+'deb10u2
• 328[05:39:50] <somiaj> Betal: yes. One second
• 329[05:40:14] <somiaj> Betal: in general the - always means debian revision (so dash is not part of the official upstream version)
• 330[05:40:53] <somiaj> the + means it is a debian revision and is a higher version, ~ means it is a change but is lower version, ~ is used for backports to esnure the backport version is less than the actual version in testing (to allow future upgrades)
• 331[05:41:23] <Betal> somiaj: higher version?
• 332[05:41:27] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 333[05:41:49] <somiaj> when upgrading apt has to be able to determine if the packge is a newer (higher) version than the current one installed
• 334[05:42:00] <somiaj> so 1.1-4~foo < 1.1-4 < 1.1-4+foo
• 335[05:42:37] <Betal> somiaj: this link don't say the diff between - ~ +, or it does? I was trying to understand it, but could not find the diff
• 336[05:43:00] <somiaj> yea, that link is a bit old, lets see if I can find an update
• 337[05:43:11] <Betal> I was on this replaced-url
• 338[05:44:30] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 339[05:44:46] <Betal> somiaj: the same link
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• 341[05:44:51] <somiaj> anyways, it states how the ~ affects the order, "For example, the following parts are in sorted order from earliest to latest: ~~, ~~a, ~, the empty part, a"
• 342[05:45:11] <somiaj> but it is always [epoch:]upstreamversion[-debianrevision]
• 343[05:45:19] <annadane> hmm, how to kill a flatpak program that won't close...
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• 347[05:45:59] <somiaj> and the -debianrevsion is a version that needs to be able to dtermine which version is newer, and things like ~ . + affect how two version numbers are compared
• 348[05:46:05] <somiaj> annadane: you have tried kill -9 <pid>
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• 355[05:48:53] <trek00> luna_: you could try ext4magic
• 356[05:49:33] <luna_> trek00: for what?
• 357[05:50:14] <Betal> somiaj: if we get the libssl1.1 as example, 1.1.1d-0+deb10u3, this -0 means there is no upstream version right?, then +deb means higher than what?
• 358[05:50:15] <trek00> luna_: to undelete, sometimes it works
• 359[05:50:27] <luna_> trek00: its hard to undelete feelings
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• 361[05:51:14] <luna_> its more feelings then a Quasselconfig
• 362[05:53:03] <somiaj> Betal: no, upstream version is 1.1.1d, debian revision is 0+deb10u3
• 363[05:53:34] <somiaj> Betal: the intial debian package was 1.1.1d-0, then a security bug was found, so 1.1.1d-0+deb10u1, then another one was found 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2
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• 366[05:54:03] <somiaj> the reason security puts the +deb10u? as the new version is they want to make it clear that the package is the debian package 1.1.1d-0 with only security patches applied
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• 368[05:54:56] <somiaj> but in the end, the main thing is 1.1.1d-0 < 1.1.1d-0+deb10u1 < 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2 < 1.1.1d-0+deb10u3 < 1.1.1d-0+deb10u4 (the debian revision is just a standard to understand what patches have been applied to upstream)
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• 372[05:59:37] <somiaj> Betal: but all the policy says is [epoch:]upstreamversion[-debianrevision], and the instructions for comparing two versions, first compare epoch, then if the epoch's are the same compare upstreamversion, then if the upstreamversion are the same compare debianrevision.
• 373[06:00:28] <somiaj> these are done using a lexographical comaprisions where + . - ~ have special meanings for how this comparision works
• 374[06:02:16] <somiaj> the debian revision just uses a standard -0 (though usually starts at -1), -1, -2, -3, -4, and so on, represent changes in the package by debian, often adding patches, changing features/config options. the +deb10u? are security patches, and the ~bpo.? are backports, where ~ makes the version less than so 1.1.1d-0 > 1.1.1d-0~bpo.1 (that way the packages upgrade correctly)
• 375[06:03:02] <Betal> somiaj: looks each package can have its own debianrevision way of using ~-+, but I got the main idea, for example many packages only have -1, this means is the first debian package and don't have backports or security, like firefox-esr on sid/bullseye, while it have ~deb{10,9,8}u1 on other versions
• 376[06:06:04] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Is there any chance Debian will get the real Firefox and Chrome browsers? Firefox esr and Chromium have issues.
• 377[06:06:49] <trek00> Lady_Aleena: you could download the tarball and install under your home
• 378[06:06:54] <somiaj> Betal: matainers can decide that, but most follow the standard of -1, -2, -3, and so on. the -2+foo, -2~foo, are ways to add revisions done by non matainers and still respect the matainers revisions
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• 380[06:07:10] <annadane> there's a project called fasttrack which may end up doing that within debian, but yes, you can always just use the regular browsers, you're not bound to debian packages
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• 382[06:09:06] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: google provides a nice debian repo for google-chrome that is safe to use with debian, and you can apt-get install google-chrome.
• 383[06:09:19] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: for firefox you have to install the upstream binary in $HOME
• 384[06:09:30] <Lady_Aleena> Eek!
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• 386[06:10:07] <Lady_Aleena> So, I could remove Chromium and install Chrome?
• 387[06:10:11] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
• 388[06:10:15] <Lady_Aleena> Is that recommended?
• 389[06:10:24] <somiaj> you can have both chromium and google-chrome installed side by side
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• 391[06:10:47] <somiaj> often times chromium isn't that far behind google-chrome, but google-chrome adds googles' branding and some other non-free stuff
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• 393[06:10:56] <Betal> somiaj: thanks, if this is correct, then now I can read the package versions, and reading changelog make sense like there, even after '68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1', it got a upstream new version, still with '1-deb10u1' related fix, replaced-url
• 394[06:10:58] <Betal> instead ~
• 395[06:11:04] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I am a ONE of each type person. If I have one, I do not want the other to clutter up my system.
• 396[06:11:42] <somiaj> you cant use '-' in debian revision, though I don't know why they used ~ vs + for a security patch
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• 398[06:12:45] <Lady_Aleena> And I don't want to install programs into $HOME. So, if I can't apt-get install it, I will pass.
• 399[06:13:15] <somiaj> matainers get to decide what to do, but here there will never be a -1 package, so using ~ there doesn't really matter
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• 401[06:13:33] <somiaj> Betal: I'm unsure why the firefox esr matainers chose that convention, but there is no policy against it
• 402[06:13:53] <somiaj> Betal: in general the debian revision (just like any other version) only has meaning in relation to other versions of the same software
• 403[06:14:05] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I personally have chromium, google-chrome, and google-chrome-unstable installed
• 404[06:14:13] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: Though I don't like google
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• 406[06:14:26] <Lady_Aleena> My problems with Firefox est and Chromium are that they render SVG horribly.
• 407[06:14:34] <Lady_Aleena> s/est/esr/;
• 408[06:14:35] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: like google's branding, so I use chromium for most my day to day stuff, google-chrome gets used for a few things that chromium didn't work on
• 409[06:15:10] <somiaj> I don't see google-chrome being much better at svg than chromium, they are the same base, and I doubt google's branding and nonfree additions do much around svg
• 410[06:15:26] <somiaj> the rendering of svg might be some other issue.
• 411[06:15:47] <somiaj> I've personally never noticed any issues with svg myself
• 412[06:15:55] <Lady_Aleena> I thought I had a problem with my SVGs text not rendering properly, but it is just on my system. I asked for screenshots from other OSs and they rendered the SVG fine.
• 413[06:16:29] <Betal> don't fonts affect svg render?
• 414[06:16:43] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, it is only when they are reduced in size. The smaller an SVG gets, the more problematic my text in the SVG gets.
• 415[06:17:42] <Lady_Aleena> The problem is in both browsers.
• 416[06:17:56] <Lady_Aleena> And I do not know where to go with the issue.
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• 418[06:18:11] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: well you coulud install google-chrome from a .deb from google, and test it out, firefox I suggest you install in $HOME if you wanted to test that
• 419[06:21:55] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I saw you suggested that before.
• 420[06:22:11] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: But I personally can't think of what could be differnt between google-chrome and chomrium to have a large affect on svg graphics. Makes me wonder if the issue is something else
• 421[06:22:32] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, do you have chrome and chromium?
• 422[06:26:54] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I'm not in linux right now, but on my work machine I have chromium, google-chrome, and google-chrome-unstable installed
• 423[06:27:53] <Lady_Aleena> Let me show you the problem. This is what I see: replaced-url
• 424[06:28:40] <Lady_Aleena> The final "p" of Earp is overflowing as well as other text.
• 425[06:29:01] <Lady_Aleena> The link to that page is: replaced-url
• 426[06:29:41] <somiaj> bringin up my debian laptop, one second
• 427[06:30:34] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, sorry to be so much trouble...
• 428[06:31:22] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you are on debian stable?
• 429[06:31:24] <somiaj> (buster - 10)
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• 431[06:31:27] <Lady_Aleena> Yes.
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• 433[06:32:10] <somiaj> I do not see what you see in both chromium or firefox-esr, so as suspected the problem you are having isn't the browser.
• 434[06:32:45] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, can I see a screenshot?
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• 437[06:33:41] <somiaj> umm, I don't really have a nice way to upload one, but I have shunk my images really small and they all clearly fit int he box
• 438[06:34:00] <somiaj> can you upload to imgur without an account (never tried)
• 439[06:34:11] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I just did.
• 440[06:34:42] <somiaj> where do I go, I don't see an upload button, only a signin one
• 441[06:34:49] <Lady_Aleena> I used Xfce4-screenshooter
• 442[06:34:58] <somiaj> nevermind,found it
• 443[06:35:12] <somiaj> does it matter if it is firefox or chromium?
• 444[06:35:23] <Lady_Aleena> Probably not...
• 445[06:37:23] <Betal> Lady_Aleena: what font it uses on text?
• 446[06:37:23] <somiaj> actually I was incorrect, if I resize it, I can resize it to a size I get the overlap you see it jums around
• 447[06:37:32] <Lady_Aleena> Betal, arial.
• 448[06:38:16] <somiaj> but it might be a font issue, as Betal pointed out
• 449[06:38:48] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, so it may be Debian's arial font?
• 450[06:38:48] <Betal> Lady_Aleena: maybe you don't have arial
• 451[06:38:56] <Lady_Aleena> Betal, I have arial.
• 452[06:39:15] <Betal> Lady_Aleena: that is how I see the page after delete Arial (using console), on latest firefox version, replaced-url
• 453[06:39:19] <Lady_Aleena> I would not use a font if I didn't have it on my system.
• 454[06:39:58] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: it could be the fonts being used compared to how the box is sized
• 455[06:40:00] <Lady_Aleena> ACL! Roboto made it worse!
• 456[06:40:07] <somiaj> though on my ssytem I only get the overlap at certain sizes
• 457[06:40:13] <Betal> well, I removed Arial from font-family and got the same behavior as your
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• 460[06:41:02] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I have the same. But at the size on the page, the overlap occurs. So, I have a font issue not a browser issue.
• 461[06:41:09] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you might want to look at some more modern ways to get font rendering, I think setting font-family isn't the prefered method anymore as it is always better to use a native font on the os than a family want to force.
• 462[06:41:26] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, and if your default sans-serif is DejaVu Sans, it will get worse than that.
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• 464[06:42:16] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I used default sans-serif, which is DejaVu on my system, and the text was WAY too wide.
• 465[06:42:42] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
• 466[06:43:11] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you can also slow down rendering and force all oses to use the same font, but you don't do that with font families
• 467[06:43:21] <Lady_Aleena> So, I chose the lesser of two evils and chose arial.
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• 469[06:44:17] <somiaj> but you can force the font of all systems to be download from say google, and use the same font on all systems, vs let each system pick their own font. Here it is a css/web design issue, there are lots of blogs and pages you can discussing the merits of various things
• 470[06:44:37] <somiaj> what I linked you is becoming more standard, to use the system-font-stack, but if you want to ensure every system renders the same, you need to force the font better
• 471[06:45:30] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
• 472[06:46:07] <somiaj> so I would either look into using the sytem-font-stack (though this is faster, fonts will render slightly different on different oses) or use a web font, in which all oses will use the exact same font, slower, but more control
• 473[06:46:17] <somiaj> but this is now more a web deisgn issue vs debian
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• 475[06:47:59] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, I am on the verge of tears now. Why the hell does this have to be so damned frustrating?
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• 477[06:48:21] <rue_mohr> replaced-url
• 478[06:48:34] <rue_mohr> ^^^ nfs4 server is mangling data, anyone know anything?
• 479[06:48:39] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: Its web design, it is way easier than it use to be. It use to be you had to deal with this for each browser on each os, but that is mostly times past
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• 481[06:49:20] <somiaj> I recall when IE would render differently than firefox, different than chrome, different than safari, and each os would be different and you would have to have hacks/configs for each and every difference
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• 483[06:49:47] <somiaj> now almost all browsers follow html5 and css3, with only small differences like font rendering
• 484[06:49:55] <somiaj> anyways, I should have left to bed hours ago
• 485[06:50:26] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, thanks...I will go elsewhere now that the problem is fully diagnosed.
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• 487[06:50:50] <miskatonic> I disable css
• 488[06:51:22] <Lady_Aleena> miskatonic, then don't go to my site or look at my SVGs. They are css heavy.
• 489[06:52:08] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I think you will be best served by using a web font so you can ensure all users have the same font for that svg
• 490[06:52:23] <somiaj> or just live with the small rendering issues
• 491[06:52:50] <somiaj> web fonts give you far more control, they just slow down rendering a bit
• 492[06:53:02] <somiaj> (which is why they aren't used much for sites that don't need that much control)
• 493[06:53:49] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, that is the choice I am now on the fence about making. I hope you sleep well.
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• 499[07:04:36] <rue_mohr> anyone know anything about NFS4 severly corrupting files?
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• 504[07:08:54] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
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• 506[07:09:18] <kreyren> resending here bcs #debian-next takes too long atm -- <kreyren> is it sane to pin stable-backports on 500 assuming stable/stable-backports/testing/unstable/experimental being pinned as 500/500/120/110/100
• 507[07:09:19] <kreyren> <kreyren> I assume that i want to pin it so that it would prefer stable over stable-backports if stable has better version?
• 508[07:09:19] <kreyren> <kreyren> or probably calling stable-backports on demand
• 509[07:09:19] <kreyren> <kreyren> assuming scenario where i need shellcheck from stable-backports (0.7.0) when stable has version (0.5.0) that does not work for my workflow
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• 511[07:09:59] <kreyren> i guess pin stable-backports on 130 more sane?
• 512[07:10:16] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: is it in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
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• 514[07:11:24] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, yes...I have 3 files in there that I guess didn't get cleaned up when I removed notepadqq.
• 515[07:12:54] <Lady_Aleena> So, rm those three notepadqq files and be done with it?
• 516[07:13:16] <Lady_Aleena> Hell, 2 are for jessie!
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• 518[07:14:23] <Lady_Aleena> Is there a way to read the contents of all of those files in one command?
• 519[07:15:56] <jmcnaught> !show sources.list
• 520[07:15:56] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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• 523[07:17:31] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I just pasted my sources.list and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ are two empty files and one that has the notepadqq sources.
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• 525[07:19:18] <jmcnaught> You can just delete the file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that has the notepadqq repository in it. Then "apt update".
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• 527[07:22:15] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I had a feeling...
• 528[07:22:38] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, this was just a little bit of weirdness.
• 529[07:23:11] <Lady_Aleena> Though I do not like that sudo rm does not ask for confirmation automatically.
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• 531[07:26:53] <Lady_Aleena> head -v -n -0 is so cool!
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• 533[07:28:15] <Bugz000> Hey i have a silly question but it'd put my mind at ease, i want to install webmin on debian 10, but i already have a httpd installed, they all seem to expect apache to be installed? either way, basically does the web-server directory default in the config /var/replaced-url
• 534[07:28:15] <Bugz000> i have installed is Lighttpd)
• 535[07:31:07] <jmcnaught> Bugz000: #webmin might know.
• 536[07:31:16] <Bugz000> oh dayum that's a channel?
• 537[07:31:33] <Bugz000> rofl... -facedesk- it's been a long day
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• 540[07:37:58] * Lady_Aleena has been head desking a lot lately.
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• 545[07:43:20] <jim> Lady_Aleena, hi, how you doing otherwise
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• 547[07:44:40] <jim> is webmin any better than it was? I'm getting a couple good reports, and I was wondering if the problems got fixed
• 548[07:45:15] <jim> Bugz000, by the way... there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in finding channels on the freenode irc net. To get started, /msg alis help
• 549[07:47:18] <Lady_Aleena> jim, okayish.
• 550[07:47:26] <Lady_Aleena> jim, you?
• 551[07:47:59] <jim> I'm doin ok, figuring out my next semester
• 552[07:48:08] <ansimita> !chat
• 553[07:48:08] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at ##replaced-url
• 554[07:49:05] <jim> ansimita, don't be mean, we wern't going to keep going
• 555[07:50:54] <Bugz000> Hello Jim <3
• 556[07:50:54] <jim> ansimita, and, as long as we're supportive, might you have a response to my question?
• 557[07:51:11] <jim> Bugz000, (shh!) hi
• 558[07:52:33] <Bugz000> hahah! one second
• 559[07:56:50] <jim> also when trying to install the package of webmin, I'm not finding it... one sec I'll check with apt-cache
• 560[07:57:10] <miskatonic> webmin is deprecated
• 561[07:57:29] <jim> is there something that replaces it?
• 562[07:57:29] <Bugz000> replaced-url
• 563[07:58:32] <jim> oh I see... the results I'm getting, apt install webmin -> no such package, apt-cache search webmin -> no output
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• 566[08:00:57] <Bugz000> i would also be interested if there's a suitable replacement
• 567[08:01:02] <Bugz000> that is better supported
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• 571[08:06:52] <jim> I guess webmin lets you control stuff... there's something else called ossec that's more like fail2ban, but it is less resource intensive than fail2ban is (and it's client/server too)
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• 574[08:08:32] <jim> it reads your auth logs to see what IP originates failed login attempts, and bans their IP
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• 579[08:17:51] <miskatonic> it bans people for a mistyped password? That is worse than the nazis
• 580[08:19:57] <oiaohm> miskatonic: its in fact recommend security to ban someones IP for a while after so many incorrect password attempts to slow down attacker attempting to brute force.
• 581[08:20:42] <oiaohm> Remember today you do have options of password managers.
• 582[08:22:54] <jim> is there a debian package that lets you receive and read kindle books?
• 583[08:25:23] <jim> found calibre, that might do it
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• 693[11:30:18] <MarioMey> Hello, there. Half times I wake up Buster (my computer), I get blank screen. Some seconds later or if I try to press some keys, there's a beep. Nothing else. I can't do anything: not even go to TT1. But it does receive AltGr-PrintScreen-B and I reboot with this.
• 694[11:30:18] <MarioMey> How should I know what's happening? What's the log I have to read and how to do it when it happens? Thanks in advance.
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• 699[11:38:32] <ratrace> MarioMey: do you have nvidia gpu there?
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• 721[11:59:31] <MarioMey> Wulf: I don't know how to do it... this is my desktop computer.
• 722[11:59:38] <MarioMey> ratrace: Yes, GT620.
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• 729[12:06:59] <FilipeMaia> I have two servers connected by 10Gbit ethernet but I'm having troubles getting rsync to transfer at more than 120MB/s
• 730[12:07:37] <FilipeMaia> I checked the link speed with netperf and the local hard drive speed, but still rsync seems stuck
• 731[12:07:41] <FilipeMaia> What could be the problem?
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• 740[12:32:02] <flayer> how are you connecting the servers?
• 741[12:32:33] <flayer> 10gbit is the hardware layer, but what else you got going on there?
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• 743[12:34:02] <flayer> one might suggest moving from rsync/ssh to rsync/nfs for example
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• 750[12:38:56] <moldy> hi
• 751[12:39:01] <moldy> how do i clear the systemd journal?
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• 753[12:39:14] <flayer> you take the hard drive out of your computer and you burn it
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• 758[12:41:53] <moldy> setting SystemMaxUse in /etc/systemd/journald.conf and then restarting journald seems to work
• 759[12:42:01] <moldy> though it still seems to be using more than SystemMaxUse
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• 781[13:06:14] <oxek> what is the proper process for requesting an update of an app in debian sid?
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• 784[13:06:51] <abrotman> how out of date is it? and which app is it?
• 785[13:07:04] <oxek> about a year out of date
• 786[13:07:05] <oxek> one moment
• 787[13:07:22] <oxek> replaced-url
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• 789[13:08:16] <oxek> 3 years out of date
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• 792[13:09:08] <abrotman> have you tried emailing the maintainer, or filing a bug?
• 793[13:09:13] <oxek> 4.9.3 released 2017-09-06, latest 4.15.0 released 2020-03-05
• 794[13:09:46] <oxek> abrotman: I haven't yet because I want to know the proper way of doing this? Can I just email the maintainer then?
• 795[13:10:12] <abrotman> you can, but if the newer versions resolve security issues, etc .. a bug might be better
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• 797[13:10:31] <oxek> the version in debian no longer works due to the internet service having changed
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• 799[13:10:54] <abrotman> if you're willing .. you can also offer to help resolve it
• 800[13:12:23] <abrotman> or even take over the package
• 801[13:12:57] <oxek> my skills are not there yet
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• 844[14:15:59] <misteradler> are nvidia primus render offload patches that available on xserver-xorg 1.20.8?
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• 849[14:19:25] <misteradler> i mean can we perform primus offload on testing with nvidia 440 and xserver-xorg 1.20.8?
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• 855[14:26:42] <towo`> you don't need special patches
• 856[14:27:10] <towo`> nvidia prime offload changes where going upstream in 1.20.7
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• 862[14:31:11] <user217217> hello. I can't start x-session (only via startx + ctrl-c)
• 863[14:31:29] <user217217> *login in desktop session
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• 879[14:47:08] <mi11k1> can somebody check this out for me maybe? so, I have this chinese DVR and im trying to access it via browser,it sais you have to DL a plgin and then downloads a Mac DMG file. I modify the url and drop back one folder or whatever and I get this. replaced-url
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• 884[14:50:57] <mystic> do china have their own operating system for pc ?
• 885[14:51:06] <mystic> i bet its really crap if they do
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• 887[14:51:18] <mi11k1> they do
• 888[14:51:34] <mi11k1> they have a distro called .......it debian derived
• 889[14:51:51] <mystic> must be highly neutured
• 890[14:51:52] <mi11k1> it bags bad. I dont know how they did it
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• 892[14:53:03] <mi11k1> Deepin
• 893[14:53:11] <mystic> deeepinto wat?
• 894[14:53:18] <mi11k1> your files
• 895[14:53:22] <mystic> LOL
• 896[14:53:36] <mystic> china is dung
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• 898[14:53:47] <mi11k1> it turns an ordinary computer innto a space heater
• 899[14:53:53] <mi11k1> reaaal hot
• 900[14:54:09] <mi11k1> it just works away...at what i dunno
• 901[14:54:36] <mystic> collecting data and using your gpu to manufactuer covid 20 lol
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• 904[14:55:40] <mi11k1> they must think were so crazy.....being all normal and such
• 905[14:56:20] <mystic> i wonder who will end up messing up the world first.. muslims or chinese.. place your bets
• 906[14:56:28] <mi11k1> trump
• 907[14:56:31] <mi11k1> all in
• 908[14:57:12] <mystic> lol. ttrump at least stands up to these wallies... if they retaliets thats on them not him
• 909[14:57:17] <mystic> retaliate*
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• 913[15:00:02] <genhaoqi> Don't talk about politics. It's not friendly
• 914[15:00:09] <genhaoqi> !!!
• 915[15:00:09] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
• 916[15:00:29] <mystic> truth not politics
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• 921[15:06:24] <FilipeMaia> flayer: I mounted the filesystem and compared cp to rsync locally. rsync was about 5x slower, it's a bit embarassing
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• 923[15:07:06] <FilipeMaia> flayer: cp got to about 550 MB/s compared to about 110 for rsync
• 924[15:07:21] <FilipeMaia> flayer: this was on a single large file (20TB)
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• 926[15:08:10] <ratrace> FilipeMaia: rsync is calculating checksums and doing delta transfers. You can disable that with -W
• 927[15:08:31] <FilipeMaia> ratrace: there was no file in the receiving side. I also added -W for good measure
• 928[15:09:16] <FilipeMaia> I'm now trying to compile rsync myself and will try to profile to see where the times is going
• 929[15:09:23] <mystic> whats a json file
• 930[15:09:35] <ratrace> FilipeMaia: so what are you comparing then? cp to rsync over ssh?
• 931[15:09:38] <ratrace> you mean scp?
• 932[15:09:49] <FilipeMaia> ratrace: cp to rsync, all locally
• 933[15:10:54] <FilipeMaia> ratrace: 'rsync -W -P PR772_arc_DontDel.tar.xz /beegfs/store2/' was the exact command
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• 935[15:11:45] <mystic> is json the same as bash
• 936[15:11:55] <ratrace> mystic: no
• 937[15:12:00] <ayekat> mystic: replaced-url
• 938[15:12:56] <mystic> friday 13th JSON i dont want to knwo about it. it sound swrong
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• 945[15:23:10] <strata> sid has latest neovim. the docs say it is a bad idea to install stuff from sid into stable. (buster)
• 946[15:23:45] <strata> i have buster-backports added to my sources.list, and tried apt purge neovim, then apt install -t buster-backports neovim
• 947[15:23:46] <mystic> buster douglass
• 948[15:23:59] <strata> but i think the backports still has the older neovim
• 949[15:24:56] <ayekat> is neovim even in buster-backports? replaced-url
• 950[15:25:15] <strata> oh. maybe the command i ran didn't really install it from backports?
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• 953[15:27:46] <strata> hmm. yea this isn't gonna fly. the plugins i use need the newer neovim. how can i pluck it out of sid like a crazy person?
• 954[15:27:53] <ayekat> according to apt-get(8), -t simply creates a new pin, but if nothing is found in a given repo, I believe apt will just continue searching in the next repos
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• 956[15:28:20] <ayekat> if you need recent versions of software, stable might not be for you
• 957[15:28:50] <strata> damn you debian! lol
• 958[15:28:55] <ayekat> if I were to install debian on my workstations, I'd go with testing
• 959[15:29:13] <ratrace> I got buster on my workstations.
• 960[15:29:51] <phogg> !tell strata about simple sid backport
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• 962[15:30:08] <phogg> hmm, dpkg not telling any more?
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• 965[15:30:30] <phogg> oh, just doesn't echo it
• 966[15:30:34] <strata> i got it
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• 968[15:30:41] <strata> phogg: yep this is worth a try. thanks
• 969[15:30:54] <strata> but question
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• 971[15:31:07] <mystic> question also. was buster douglass that godo or just lucky
• 972[15:31:15] <strata> if the version in sid gets bumped, will apt-get update/upgrade make it recompile?
• 973[15:31:28] <phogg> strata: you have to re-backport each new version
• 974[15:31:41] <strata> ok. thus i need to track the versions by hand then?
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• 976[15:32:07] <phogg> strata: yes. You are playing part of the role of a backports repo maintainer, basically.
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• 978[15:32:28] <phogg> strata: upstream package updates, then you make the backport package, then your users can upgrade to it (but you are the user)
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• 980[15:32:57] <strata> aight. hmm... this makes me wonder if debian isn't my distro. i've only been messing around with this as a desktop for a few days.
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• 982[15:33:44] <phogg> strata: Debian is great for stability and Just Works ity.
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• 985[15:34:07] <phogg> strata: if you want latest-and-greatest versions it is often not going to be that
• 986[15:34:11] <strata> that's why i tried it. i use it for servers all the time but haven't ever tried it as a workstation
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• 988[15:34:31] <phogg> so you either find ways to cope (backports, risking your health with sid packages, building some things from source) or you won't enjoy it
• 989[15:34:45] <strata> makse sense. thanks.
• 990[15:34:57] <phogg> personally I choose the "build key things from source" approach. Most packages I don't care if it's not the newest, but a few are important to me
• 991[15:35:09] <strata> right.
• 992[15:35:25] <strata> right now all i can think of that is vital to have the latest version of is neovim
• 993[15:35:50] <strata> i'm gonna go smoke a big fatty and see if i can come up with any other things that might need to be latest version. if it's only a few packages, i'll stay. if not i'm going back to arch.
• 994[15:35:51] <phogg> if it's just one then that shouldn't be a big burden to periodically update
• 995[15:37:18] <phogg> strata: I've often wondered if there wouldn't be some value in pacman-for-debian for people like you. Most things via apt, plus some things from arch repos installed into /usr/local or some other alternate tree. Of course AFAIK no one has made it.
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• 1002[15:43:20] <ayekat> for me, the biggest challenge is probably the act of packaging for Debian overall - the act of backporting would be a no-brainer on rpm- or pacman-based systems
• 1003[15:44:05] <ayekat> understanding makepkg or rpmbuild is a matter of half an hour, but understanding the Debian packaging took me a week (and I've forgotten most of it again)
• 1004[15:45:59] <phogg> it took me more than a week, I never fully understood it, and have forgotten a lot (repeatedly). Backporting from sid, however, is pretty straightforward and doesn't require any knowledge.
• 1005[15:46:37] <ayekat> !tell ayekat about simple sid backport
• 1006[15:46:49] <ayekat> I'll have a look at that ^^
• 1007[15:47:03] <phogg> ayekat: in the future you can just /msg dpkg
• 1008[15:47:25] <ayekat> ah right
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• 1013[15:52:20] <ayekat> hmm... so essentially it is `apt-get source --compile {package}`, and it will just hide all the gory details of package building
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• 1033[16:12:53] <dka> In debian, I am running `[[ $(which yarn) = "" ]] && curl -o- -L replaced-url
• 1034[16:13:10] <dka> it's a continuous integration docker image of debian
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• 1036[16:14:34] <badsektor> how to disable internet temporarily?
• 1037[16:17:24] <mystic> unplug ethernet
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• 1042[16:18:56] <phogg> dka: where does yarn get installed? Is that location in your PATH?
• 1043[16:19:04] <dka> I fixed it with export PATH=$HOME/.yarn/bin:$PATH
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• 1056[16:35:06] <deucalion> Hello. Anyone know how to build python-qt4 for debian testing? I've tried using instructions @ replaced-url
• 1057[16:35:26] <strata> ok i'm going back to arch rofl
• 1058[16:36:06] <mystic> arch deacon
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• 1064[16:37:39] <abrotman> deucalion: you might want to paste your buildlog somewhere for folks to review
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• 1155[17:20:50] <deucalion> abrotman: here's my last 100 lines of failed buildlog for qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.7 : replaced-url
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• 1158[17:22:24] <deucalion> the problem is in qsslcertificate.cpp, my guess is it tries to use an outdated version of openssl
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• 1170[17:28:59] <JustTheDoctor> how do i get cron to run with updated crontab -e edits?
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• 1172[17:29:31] <nkuttler> JustTheDoctor: um.. save the crontab and wait for the job to start?
• 1173[17:30:06] <JustTheDoctor> weird.. i set a new cronjob yesterday with logging yesterday and it hasnt tried to run once when its set to every 2 hours
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• 1177[17:32:28] <JustTheDoctor> * */2 * * * /usr/bin/pandacoind --daemon > /var/log/cron-pandacoin i think i found the problem tho pandacoind is in /usr/local/bin/pandacoind
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• 1182[17:36:39] <FilipeMaia> Digging deeper the problem seems to be that rsync read and writes in chunks of 32776 bytes
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• 1184[17:37:05] <FilipeMaia> Compared to 4718592 for cp
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• 1186[17:37:53] <FilipeMaia> Not only is it too small, it's not 4k aligned
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• 1188[17:38:14] <phogg> FilipeMaia: surely that must be tunable
• 1189[17:38:47] <FilipeMaia> phogg: I would very much like to hear what's the option for it. Can't find anything in the man page
• 1190[17:39:17] <FilipeMaia> rsync also does md5 sum on the files on both sides, even on local copies
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• 1192[17:39:43] <FilipeMaia> which also slows things down, but even with commenting that part of the code cp is about 2x to 3x faster
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• 1194[17:40:17] <FilipeMaia> For some reason they have their own implementation of md5 instead of using libcrypto
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• 1217[17:56:06] <FilipeMaia> phogg: changing IO_BUFFER_SIZE in rsync.h seems to be making a difference
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• 1219[17:56:33] <FilipeMaia> phogg: it's coded as #define IO_BUFFER_SIZE (32*1024) so not much room for a user option
• 1220[17:57:43] <joepublic> 32 times 1024 is 32768 which is 4k times 8
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• 1223[17:59:22] <FilipeMaia> Changing IO_BUFFER_SIZE to (4*1024*1024) has boosted throughput to 300 MB/s, much more reasonable!
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• 1226[18:00:09] <phogg> FilipeMaia: shocking that it's not tunable at runtime
• 1227[18:00:39] <FilipeMaia> phogg: yeah, there's a --block-size which is only used for checksum calculation
• 1228[18:01:13] <FilipeMaia> phogg: also it's limited to 128k
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• 1230[18:01:53] <FilipeMaia> I think this was coded in an era when no one thought this would be a problem, and hasn't been touched since
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• 1247[18:13:58] <phogg> FilipeMaia: maybe they'll accept a patch; rsync doesn't have a problem with adding switches
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• 1249[18:14:38] <FilipeMaia> phogg: it certainly doesn't look like it :D. It would be trivial to change the define to a global variable, but I'm not sure they would like that kind of style
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• 1252[18:19:53] <FilipeMaia> A few more buffer sizes increased and now we're at 400 MB/s!
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• 1255[18:22:58] <FilipeMaia> 520 MB/s :)
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• 1267[18:33:41] <coitusinteruptus> how to pm people if they arent listed ?
• 1268[18:34:10] <phogg> coitusinteruptus: you can't
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• 1270[18:34:24] <phogg> coitusinteruptus: you can /msg memoserv help for offline notes, but that's it (And many people won't check)
• 1271[18:34:41] <coitusinteruptus> what do i type?
• 1272[18:34:49] <phogg> coitusinteruptus: /msg memoserv help
• 1273[18:34:55] <phogg> but from there you're on your own
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• 1303[19:07:08] <kouett> hello there, does any of you uses Debian on RaspberryPi ? I'd like to know if LIO modules are available (I need package targetcli-fb to work)
• 1304[19:08:07] <petn-randall> kouett: My limited knowledge is that it only really boots cleanly on the RPi3 (or 4?). The other versions need special things to make it boot there, which is not part of stock Debian.
• 1305[19:09:18] <kouett> thanks petn-randall. I do own a Rpi3, so it's good news :) !
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• 1307[19:11:23] <kouett> so far I asked in #debian-raspberrypi but I'm not sure they'll know, it's mostly a dev channel for the port
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• 1321[19:22:13] <promethial> Hello, anyone familiar with downgrading packages?
• 1322[19:22:31] <somiaj> promethial: in general downgardes are not supported, but what are you trying to do and why?
• 1323[19:23:24] <promethial> Well, I'm trying to downgrade an application that stopped working after upgrade, the latest version is broken and there isnt a fix for it
• 1324[19:23:43] <somiaj> what version of debian do you run, what issue are you having downgrading?
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• 1326[19:26:05] <promethial> somiaj: latest version of debian buster and trying to downgrade to thunderbird 1:60.9.0-1~deb10u1
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• 1328[19:26:29] <promethial> I can't even see it in the version list when I do apt policy
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• 1330[19:27:18] <somiaj> that is because debian only provides the most recent package. Before you downgrade, have you found a bug report on your issue, regressions are things stable tries to avoid, so this should be reported.
• 1331[19:27:22] <somiaj> ,v thunderbird
• 1332[19:27:23] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:68.4.1-1~deb9u1; buster: 1:68.4.1-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 1:68.7.0-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:68.7.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:68.7.0-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 1:68.7.0-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 1:68.7.0-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:68.7.0-1; sid: 1:68.7.0-1; experimental: 1:76.0~b1-1
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• 1335[19:28:20] <promethial> somiaj: there's a couple bugs open bugzilla that have to do with my issue, this is on the Mozilla Organization side
• 1336[19:28:26] <promethial> but there isn't any movement on it
• 1337[19:28:29] <somiaj> 1:60.9.0-1~deb10u1 doesn't seem like a version that was ever in buster
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• 1339[19:29:09] <somiaj> I mean report to debian, but yea looks like they are using upstream for security fixes in thunderbird
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• 1341[19:30:07] <somiaj> anyways, you can find olderpackages on snapshot.debian.org, and I did find the version you mentioned
• 1342[19:30:18] <promethial> somiaj: How do I see what versions are available? I just need to downgrade before the .68 series
• 1343[19:30:21] <promethial> oh ok got it
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• 1345[19:31:00] <somiaj> I wasn't expecing such a version change for a security update, debian usually avoids that, but there are acceptions, seem thunderbird is one of those
• 1346[19:31:11] <somiaj> exceptions
• 1347[19:31:37] <promethial> yea, im actually surprised a security update caused such a significant regression...
• 1348[19:31:47] <promethial> its non-functional
• 1349[19:32:11] <promethial> I can month old defects on this
• 1350[19:32:13] <promethial> replaced-url
• 1351[19:32:17] <somiaj> well browsers and it seems thunderbird go with newest upstream due to backporting fixes is to much work, but this is a very rare case, and doesn't happen for almost all buster
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• 1395[20:10:00] <promethial> somiaj: Thanks for the help, the downgrade worked. Going to file a ticket as well
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• 1403[20:23:54] <trek00> claws-mail is faster, but may be it has too many options
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• 1406[20:26:29] <phogg> no such thing as too many options, just such a thing as a badly organized options GUI
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• 1410[20:27:47] <somiaj> why command line and config files are better. (:
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• 1414[20:30:57] <trek00> phogg: i would mean it can have too many options for beginners
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• 1419[20:33:24] <trek00> it's definitively not a gnome program :p
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• 1437[20:52:00] <sohnyrin> Hi! Yesterday morning I thought it would be a great idea to install steam on my laptop, so I brainlessly followed instructions to install 32bit drivers for my video card. I'm not sure what I did but my system now crashes at boot, I get the sad computer face thing. I can start my system in recovery mode. I think the drivers are conflicting as I get
• 1438[20:52:01] <sohnyrin> ACPI warning SystemIO range ... conflicts with OpRegion ... for a bunch of items. Other errors from my boot journal here: replaced-url
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• 1442[20:56:30] <trek00> sohnyrin: i don't think this error message is relevant to your issue
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• 1445[20:57:19] <sohnyrin> trek00 any idea where I should look first ?
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• 1447[20:58:35] <trek00> sohnyrin: i don't know, nvidia drivers are unknown to me, but may be uninstalling 32 bit version can help?
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• 1453[21:00:51] <somiaj> sohnyrin: you shouldn't need to install 32bit drivers, can you share what instructions you followed.
• 1454[21:01:00] <somiaj> sohnyrin: you need to add 32bit libs, but this is different.
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• 1459[21:04:42] <sohnyrin> I followed this partly replaced-url
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• 1463[21:10:03] <towo`> sohnyrin, any if your secret laptop is a optimus one, you can't use the nvidia chipset by simple installing the driver
• 1464[21:10:55] <sohnyrin> I've followed the bumblebee installation instructions after
• 1465[21:12:41] <sohnyrin> here : replaced-url
• 1466[21:14:21] <sohnyrin> should I just wipe all packages that have nvidia in the name and then re-install following bumblebee instructions?
• 1467[21:15:58] <towo`> i would put the whole hardware to waste, since bumblebee is only a lame hack
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• 1472[21:17:22] <bifunc2> On macOS apps from the App Store are mandatory sandboxed, giving a lot of security from 3rd party apps. (The only weak link is you're still trusting Apple)
• 1473[21:17:31] <bifunc2> what's the sandbox story like on Linux/Debian?
• 1474[21:18:04] <towo`> binaryhermit, flatpack and/or snaps are sandboxed
• 1475[21:18:40] <towo`> and you can use firejail
• 1476[21:18:50] <sohnyrin> towo to be honest at this time i dont really care since its been 36h I can't use the gui and i need to work on that machine...
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• 1478[21:19:11] <towo`> sohnyrin, then remove all nvidia crap
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• 1480[21:19:49] <towo`> apt purge $dpkg -l | awk '/nvidia/{ print $ 2 }')
• 1481[21:19:54] <towo`> grr
• 1482[21:19:58] <towo`> apt purge $dpkg -l | awk '/nvidia/{ print $2 }')
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• 1486[21:24:52] <sohnyrin> thanks :) it worked I can boot normally
• 1487[21:26:09] <sohnyrin> yay !
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• 1535[22:11:45] <jim> hi, trying to help someone whose usb wifi dongle's lsusb line is: "Bus 001 Bevice 0074: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapter", anyone know the driver and firmware for that?
• 1536[22:12:42] <LtL> ,pciid 148f:7601
• 1537[22:12:43] <judd> [148f:7601] is 'Unknown device' from 'Plant Equipment, Inc.' with no known kernel module in stretch or in sid. See also replaced-url
• 1538[22:12:47] <jim> (he must have typed that line, I don't know what a bevice is
• 1539[22:12:51] <jim> )
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• 1541[22:12:58] <HeXiLeD> not sure if this channel is the best place to ask but is there a way to have mouse clicks beep at the same time when buttons are pressed? (the wm is fluxbox and i have asked there too). Basically what i want is a continuous beep as the buttons keep pressed.
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• 1546[22:15:23] <jim> LtL, I dont' think judd knows usb ids...
• 1547[22:15:51] <LtL> jim: firmware-ralink may work, yes i see it's usb jim.
• 1548[22:16:09] <jmcnaught> jim: look up the model on replaced-url
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• 1553[22:25:29] <JustTheDoctor> does cron run as root or a different user?
• 1554[22:28:31] <jim> jmcnaught, hmm. could it be this driver is not installed with the linux-image package?
• 1555[22:31:46] <jmcnaught> jim: probably not considering mt7601u.ko exists on my system, they probably just need the firmware. Did you check that wiki page?
• 1556[22:33:08] <towo`> mt7601u.ko is a mediathek device
• 1557[22:33:30] <towo`> not for ralink
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• 1561[22:37:38] <towo`> oha, seems this device can make real much fun replaced-url
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• 1568[22:50:55] <jim> jmcnaught, I did, and it said firmware-misc-nonfree, he had it installed, so I had him purge and reinstall the package
• 1569[22:51:10] <jim> I dunno what his status became after that
• 1570[22:51:33] <jim> I need to pause, I'll be back in maybe an hour
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• 1576[23:05:19] <BombaSexy> Hi, please help me, Im trying to install kali linux on my asus laptop but when i hit install it shows me lines and dots, does anyone know how to solve this issue?
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• 1590[23:15:58] <lwp> !kali-overnight
• 1591[23:15:58] <dpkg> Installing Parrot or Kali on your computer will not make you into a security expert overnight. If you really want to have those skills, install a general purpose linux distro like Debian (replaced-url
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• 1593[23:16:29] <lwp> !kali
• 1594[23:16:29] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1595[23:18:40] <BombaSexy> ok
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• 1615[23:34:07] <SPF> my debian system keeps on freezing randomly for 5 minutes. if I login once it comes back, the time is 5 minutes behind, load avg is low
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• 1621[23:39:29] <nvz> SPF: are you using an SSD? Encryption?
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• 1625[23:41:53] <SPF> nvz: no encryption, usb drive
• 1626[23:41:57] <MrElmo> So, is it pronounced Dee-B-un? Or Deb-E-un?
• 1627[23:42:04] <SPF> single core cpu, debian 9
• 1628[23:42:27] <ratrace> MrElmo: "Ubuntu upstream" :)
• 1629[23:42:30] <nvz> SPF: ah, you're running off a USB drive? Using a live image or is it installed to the drive? Flash or magnetic?
• 1630[23:42:55] <SPF> nvz: it's installed on the usb pen drive
• 1631[23:43:00] <MrElmo> ratrace: What's that?
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• 1633[23:43:17] <nvz> MrElmo: its Debora and Ian Murdock its neamed after
• 1634[23:43:36] <MrElmo> nvz: Oh cool. Thanks.
• 1635[23:44:14] <nvz> SPF: sounds like it could be due to bus lag or the disk being close to full or something like that.. something where a lot of behind the scenes IO is going on like crasytzyzy
• 1636[23:44:32] * nvz is experincing mosh lag :-/
• 1637[23:44:50] <SPF> nvz: wa is close to 0
• 1638[23:45:01] <ratrace> but time going back? at first I thought this might be a VM and virtio is busted...
• 1639[23:45:25] <nvz> SPF: for the record I got absolutely nothing from that last transmission. Idk what to make of it.. seems to be a statement of some kind
• 1640[23:45:57] <ratrace> disk (io) wa(it)
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• 1642[23:46:12] <SPF> exactly
• 1643[23:46:13] <ratrace> ie. no procs waiting on IO
• 1644[23:46:52] <ratrace> SPF: can you monitor interrupts? could be some faulty hardware raging an interrupt storm
• 1645[23:47:20] <ratrace> and then deadlocking the kernel from within a non-preemptive critical section
• 1646[23:47:33] <SPF> ratrace: I monitor io with top, but maybe I need something better?
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• 1652[23:50:10] <ratrace> SPF: well, something to graph the changes in /proc/interrupts for example. Munin can do it, probably other tools too
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• 1657[23:53:14] <SPF> ratrace: thanks, I will install it and try it out
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• 1659[23:55:37] <OS-73114> Hey everyone, I was hoping someone could point me to the location of scripts that are run right as X11 starts up. I'm trying to set a custom and persistent resolution in Kali with a series of xrandr commands in a script, but can't seem to pull it off. I can use ~/.bashrc but it only fixes it when I open bash, which makes sense...
• 1660[23:55:56] <ratrace> !kali
• 1661[23:55:56] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1663[23:56:26] <JustTheDoctor> is it possible to create a .sh script that will use ps -aux to determin if a process is running and if it is do nothing but if it is not running execute it and utilize it with a cron job without causing any problems to the process or its files ?
• 1664[23:57:20] <ratrace> JustTheDoctor: you can use `pgrep` to grep for the process then put it in a condition with && or || to execute something based on return value
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• 1667[23:58:42] <ratrace> also, what's the end goal you're trying to achieve... this smells of XY
• 1668[23:58:44] <ratrace> !xy
• 1669[23:58:44] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 1670[23:59:27] <JustTheDoctor> ratrace mind if i private message you for a second?
• 1671[23:59:40] <ratrace> I do, no PM please
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