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8[00:04:48] <rant> bitess: heh.. I was wondering why it wasnt
tab-completing then I read what you said
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11[00:06:28] <rant> donald1: apt-zip was a utility you could
use to get a package and all its deps on a connected machine and
move it to an unconnected one
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12[00:07:21] <rant> ,info apt-zip stretch
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13[00:07:22] <judd> No package named 'apt-zip' was
found in stretch/amd64.
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16[00:07:46] <rant> !apt-zip
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17[00:07:46] <dpkg> apt-zip has been removed post-wheezy (replaced-url
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18[00:07:56] <rant> apt offline
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19[00:08:02] <rant> !apt offline
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20[00:08:02] <dpkg> To use apt on a machine that doesn't
have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does
have a network connection), read
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23[00:09:29] <donald1> rant cool
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24[00:09:31] <donald1> thank
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28[00:09:56] <rant> donald1: good question, I had a feeling
apt-zip may not be around anymore.. so I learned somethin myself :P
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32[00:11:07] <donald1> rant you are finally right
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33[00:11:07] <donald1>
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34[00:11:13] <donald1> wheezy only
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36[00:11:22] <rant> donald1: yes well see what dpkg said..
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40[00:11:31] <rant> !apt-walkabout
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41[00:11:31] <dpkg> rumour has it, apt-walkabout is another
tool for managing the distribution and upgrade of debian packages
for non-connected or low-speed links computers. See
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42[00:11:39] <rant> mentioned two alternatives to apt-zip
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43[00:12:17] <donald1> yes apt-walkout and apt-offline
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44[00:12:20] <donald1> I wil see
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46[00:12:53] <donald1> thank you
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62[00:20:46] <hxmuller> hi, anyone here familiar with udisks2,
udiskie and polkit?
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63[00:21:24] <annadane> hxmuller, it's faster to just ask
your question rather than ask a specific person
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64[00:21:52] <Guest46390> Is there a way to remove packages
from deb-src all at once, so to free up disk space? I guess
I'll never need them at all.
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66[00:23:01] <Brigo> Guest46390, i guess apt-get clean should
do the work.
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67[00:23:07] <hxmuller> annadane: do tell then, how to
automount an sd card without having to authenticate
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68[00:24:58] <Guest46390> Brigo, I tried that. How could I
confirm that worked? I mean, not only the packages, but I want to
remove any source code that may rest unused on the hd.
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80[00:33:08] <bitess> Guest46390: source packages don't
get tracked after you donload them. they are downloaded to the
directory you ran apt-get source in. so there is no command to
remove them collectively.
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85[00:37:28] <Guest46390> bitess, so if I never ran
"apt-get source", chances are I don't have any source
code, is that right? The "deb-src" entries in
"sources.list" only work with a specific command, is that?
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86[00:37:45] <Tom_-> yep
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87[00:37:53] <Guest46390> Thank you.
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90[00:41:26] <teatime> hrm, I wonder if you could contigure it
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96[00:48:58] <Brigo> Guest36293, anyway sources uses to be in
/usr/src
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120[01:08:31] <birdbolt1> hallo
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121[01:08:40] <annadane> hallo
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122[01:08:44] <jim> hi, is there a buster netinst yet? (hilite
me to answer please :)
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123[01:09:01] <annadane> probably but you shouldn't use it
unless you want to test the installer
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124[01:09:17] <annadane> if you want to install testing install
a minimal stable first and upgrade to testing and add what you need
later
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125[01:09:43] <capn> jim:
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126[01:09:44] <birdbolt1> someone please help me fix scaling:
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127[01:09:52] <birdbolt1> I dont know what to do at this point
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128[01:10:06] <birdbolt1> been struggling to manage it like this
for months i cant take it anymore
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129[01:10:32] <birdbolt1> increasing character size to max
doesnt help when buttons are so tiny, and some devs' apps scale
weirdly
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130[01:11:02] <birdbolt1> thats 3000x2000 on a 13.5 inch body
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132[01:11:50] <birdbolt1> anyone know how to do something like
set render scale to 200% or something
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136[01:13:39] <certified> birdbolt1: you can do that on kde
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137[01:14:00] <rant> birdbolt1: check Preferences >
Appearance [Fonts] tab and [Details] button change the DPI
resolution
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140[01:16:19] <rant> not sure what Desktop Environment that is,
but this works for me in MATE and you seem to have similar menu
entries
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141[01:16:22] <jelly> jim, what's your goal? testing
installer is not used to install testing (but to test... the
installer)
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143[01:16:40] <birdbolt1> certified, so I figure out how to
install the kde env, switch to it, and then I'll have that
option?
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145[01:17:42] <certified> not sure
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148[01:19:46] <jim> jelly, trying to test a machine that has
(maybe) a newer broadcom chip to see if it connects, and if the
firmware is uptodate for it
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149[01:20:04] <jim> don't need to install anything for that
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151[01:20:57] <jelly> jim, if it uses non-free firmware d-i will
be useless anyway.
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153[01:21:27] <x0r4> hello
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154[01:21:46] <jim> ok, good enough, thought I'd try
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156[01:21:49] <jim> hi
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159[01:22:43] <jelly> if however you want to look at the
upcoming installer, look at the devel pages:
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160[01:22:47] <jelly> !d-i
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161[01:22:47] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch is now the
"stable" Debian release. See
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168[01:26:13] <jelly> oh there are actually weekly builds of
unofficial d-i with firmware. No idea how broken those are.
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170[01:26:37] <jelly> jim, if things break you get to keep all
the pieces.
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172[01:28:23] <jim> and I would -want- the pieces too!
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183[01:46:49] <LibrarianMage> Hi! I started up my virtual box
today and gave me a kernel panic. Would anyone be able to help me
figure out if I can fix it?
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184[01:49:41] <birdbolt1> anyone know if you can get a terminal
at login screen?
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186[01:50:08] <birdbolt1> I installed kde from apt, and I login,
screen blacks out, and comes back with me satill at login screen
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187[01:50:14] <birdbolt1> I'd like to remove the package
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189[01:50:42] <Brigo> birdbolt1, try crtl+alt+F1
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190[01:51:17] <birdbolt1> Brigo, nice, that worked
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191[01:51:20] <Brigo> LibrarianMage, in the host or the guest?
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193[01:51:45] <LibrarianMage> guest
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195[01:52:32] <Brigo> LibrarianMage, so you have a debian in a
VB and all of the sudden today gave you a kernel panic?
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197[01:52:47] <birdbolt1> wtf, I did startx, and i landed back
to cinnamon
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199[01:52:52] <Brigo> what debian version? can you paste the
kernel panic?
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200[01:52:56] <LibrarianMage> Brigo: yes
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201[01:53:05] <birdbolt1> how to properly switch from cinnamon
desktop to kde?
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202[01:53:08] <LibrarianMage> Idk how to copy and paste the
output :p
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203[01:53:51] <Brigo> birdbolt1, you should get the option to
choose at boot time or when you relaunch the desktop manager.
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205[01:54:35] <Brigo> LibrarianMage, usually with a mouse, if
you can, then you can take a picture and upload it to somewhere.
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206[01:55:01] <birdbolt1> okay startx should refresh the session
right?
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207[01:56:19] <LibrarianMage> Brigo: My computer decided to
force update, so it may be a bit
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208[01:56:28] <Brigo> birdbolt1, i don't think so.
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209[01:56:48] <LibrarianMage> sorry
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212[01:57:24] <Brigo> no, actually i'm sorry, i have to go,
time to hitting the bed.
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287[02:48:34] <spacedust> i update debian jessie to strech
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288[02:48:37] <spacedust> but now i cant upgrade zfs
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289[02:48:39] <spacedust> its stuck
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290[02:48:44] <spacedust> cant even remove it :)
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291[02:52:50] <spacedust>
/tmp/apt-dpkg-install-vcyDIk/0-libuutil1linux_0.6.5.9-5_amd64.deb
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292[02:53:00] <spacedust> but i dont even have a file or dir
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293[02:53:08] <spacedust> aptinstall -f doesnt fixes it
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294[02:53:14] <spacedust> nothing fixes it removing zfs neither
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340[03:18:02] <awal1> where are stored nm config exactly?
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342[03:20:33] <awal1> $HOME I meant
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354[03:24:08] <crn> spacedust, try apt-get dist-upgrade.
sometimes it takes several tries for all the dependencies to get
sorted. good luck.
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356[03:24:15] <awal1> rant I mean I purge network-manager &
network-manager-gnome (aptitude/apt/apt-get) but when I reinstall
network-manager (-gnome) I see that previous settings (wifi, wpa...)
are saved even if no trace in .gconf
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357[03:24:55] <rant> ah
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360[03:25:15] <awal1> so wondering where that settings are
saved, apart .gconf
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367[03:27:07] <crn> awall, in my case i removed all my network
configuration from /etc/network. It had configuration information i
gave it YEARS ago. when that was removed netoek manager etc worked.
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369[03:27:47] <sprite_> hello again, people. just a quick
question here; can anybody point me to a resource or give me a quick
synopsis on how to install the build chain packages to my debian
jessie deboostrap'ed hierarchy so I can get a really fussy
binary built?
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371[03:28:00] <crn> awal, it worked on reboot.
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372[03:28:29] <sprite_> I've gotten through the
installation of the system, haven't done any of the
incantations for making /proc work or anything like that yet. I
assumed it wouldn't be needed just to build a binary, but my
inexperience in this matter _is_ legion, soo...
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373[03:28:38] <crn> awall, how it did it, i don't know.
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378[03:30:47] <awal1> crn, rant, hm, I finally found nm saved
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380[03:31:09] <awal1> not in .gconf as stupid ubuntu forums
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381[03:31:10] <rant> yeah, I was running a text search trying to
find the stuff I had configured
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384[03:31:46] <crn> awall, great.
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385[03:31:59] <awal1> but aptitude/apt/apt-get purge
network-manager network-manager-gnome should have deleted
/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
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386[03:32:14] <awal1> right?
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388[03:32:52] <awal1> not sure why that folder have not been
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404[03:43:48] <spacedust> crn: i tryed too
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405[03:43:56] <spacedust> crn: i tryed too dist-upgrade
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406[03:44:01] <spacedust> removed zfs repo
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407[03:44:03] <spacedust> readded
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408[03:44:06] <spacedust> updated
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409[03:44:08] <spacedust> its tuck
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417[03:49:16] <spacedust> zfs issue :
replaced-url
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424[03:53:57] <rant> zfs repo?
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428[03:56:38] <awal1> nm ignores /etc/network/interfaces, ok
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429[03:57:04] <rant> actually in my experience if you configure
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465[04:05:19] <awal1> i noticed that during nm install it
suggests to comment out eth0 in interfaces file and let nm manage it
instead of ifup/down
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478[04:15:28] <bubba> hello All, quick question if anyone can
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479[04:16:20] <awal1> I dsee that xul-ext-adblock-plus is
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480[04:16:35] <spacedust> duh i figured this is another debian
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481[04:16:43] <awal1> disabled bcoz of incompatibility
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482[04:16:48] <spacedust> too old :)
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520[04:49:36] <sprite_> what would be the easiest way to get
gcc-5 working on a debian stretch system?
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523[04:51:45] <rant> ,v gcc
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524[04:51:46] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1;
jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:7.2.0-1d1; sid:
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525[04:51:55] <sprite_> doh
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526[04:52:11] <sprite_> er
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527[04:52:22] <rant> gcc 5 eh?
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528[04:52:27] <sprite_> sorry I'm a bit frazzled, it's
been a hell of a weekend here
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529[04:53:02] <sprite_> so I've got gcc 6.3.0 on my debian
9.3 system here
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530[04:53:48] <rant> I've got it on my debian 9.3 system
here too :P
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531[04:54:19] <sprite_> yeah, working around some pretty intense
distractions here, sorry about the delay
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534[04:55:02] <sprite_> anyway I've got a project I need
that needs the buildchain that just got axed in debian 9.3
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535[04:55:19] <rant> would the 4.9 in jessie work then?
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536[04:56:06] <sprite_> I was trying to use debootstrap to do
just that, actually
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537[04:56:15] <rant> because it'd be rather simple to setup
a jessie chroot with debootstrap and install build-essential ;)
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538[04:56:24] <sprite_> aye
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539[04:56:32] <sprite_> I must've messed up my jail
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545[04:58:07] <sprite_> er wait, no, the issue was that once I
had that done, jessie didn't have some correct cuda crap at
that point
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546[04:58:37] <rant> smart man.. ATTICA!
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548[04:59:15] <sprite_> *laugh*
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554[05:01:02] <sprite_> I may well be too frazzled to be able to
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557[05:05:37] <ChmEarl> sprite_, work in unstable chroot,
apt-get install gcc-5 g++-5
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560[05:07:57] <sprite_> I'm givin' it another go :)
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563[05:08:44] <dvs> oh noes!
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567[05:12:15] <dtux> are security packages (e.g. rsync, curl)
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586[05:26:12] <rant> dtux: apt show rsync curl | grep Priority |
sort -u shows "Optional"
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592[05:30:48] <daegontaven> Hey guys, I used dd to copy a
minbase variety of debian into the second partition of my
harddisk..and it's just blink when when I try to boot
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593[05:31:15] <daegontaven> Is there a way I can diagnose this
issue ?
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595[05:31:59] <daegontaven> What i did was chroot into the
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597[05:32:35] <daegontaven> Anybody?
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612[05:45:08] <rant> daegontaven: you need to be more specific
this is not a standard installation method and lawd only knows what
you could have done wrong
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614[05:45:27] <rant> could've setup the bootloader wrong,
no telling WHAT it was you actually copied..etc
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615[05:46:08] <rant> you probably should've just dd a
netinst onto a thumbdrive and ran the installer
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643[06:02:03] <sprite_> ah, so yeah, I stumbled back across my
problem. in my 'jessie' jail I'm able to use the
appropriate gcc to build the project, but then I'm running into
issues with nvcc, which I believe are due to jessie's nvidia
toolkit being too old
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644[06:02:15] <sprite_> the horror...
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655[06:06:51] <rant> ,v nvidia-cuda-toolkit
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656[06:06:53] <judd> Package: nvidia-cuda-toolkit on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 4.2.9-2; wheezy-backports/non-free:
5.5.22-6~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 6.0.37-5;
jessie-backports/non-free: 7.5.18-4~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free:
8.0.44-4; buster/non-free: 9.0.176-2; sid/non-free: 9.0.176-2;
experimental/non-free: 9.1.85-1
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658[06:07:18] <rant> sprite_: there is 7.5.18 in
jessie-backports
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660[06:08:10] <rant> sprite_: and you can probably setup schroot
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664[06:09:46] <sprite_> a'ite. I'm really not sure if
I should be trying this before a full night's sleep, though.
I'm gonna save yr instructions for when I make a horrible
mistake and realize that I need to lay down and do it tomorrow
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665[06:09:49] <rant> idk though would certainly be a complicated
build process.. I'd try the backport first
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667[06:10:10] <rant> sprite_: probably a good idea... heh.
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668[06:10:26] <sprite_> yeah this whole thing is a pretty
horrifying. heh
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686[06:27:50] <spacedust> i am trying to make xrpd work with
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687[06:28:29] <spacedust> i get to the point where i login but
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705[06:50:27] <password4> hi , is there a fixed timeframe for a
package to be in testing before it comes to stable?
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707[06:51:51] <klys> when testing is frozen there is a tentative
release date for all packages
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708[06:52:18] <password4> ah
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713[06:53:09] <password4> I want to get a backup iso for incase
my current insatallation goes pear shape , so I want to gauage if i
have to wait for the nvidia drivers in stable to be updated or just
get testing
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716[06:55:40] <nkuttler> password4: the testing installer is for
testing the installer, not installing debian
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719[06:56:05] <nkuttler> password4: in expert mode you can also
edit your sources during install
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721[06:59:01] <password4> wait testing and stable is not
seperate dvds?
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722[06:59:23] <nkuttler> password4: there separate installers
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723[06:59:27] <password4> i use the offline installers
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736[07:18:26] <dtux> anyone know why dpkg-query -S
"/usr/bin/git" doesn't work in the debian:stable
docker image? works fine on my desktop
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758[07:47:53] <dtux> er... is there a way to search apt-cache by
file?
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772[08:00:16] <dtux> ah, apt-file may do what i need
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774[08:04:19] <rant> password4: testing and unstable change too
frequently to bother making ISOs of the repos
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776[08:05:39] <password4> oh
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777[08:06:51] <rant> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
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778[08:06:52] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free:
375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.111-3~bpo9+1;
buster/non-free: 384.111-4; sid/non-free: 384.111-4;
experimental/non-free: 390.25-1
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781[08:07:16] <rant> password4: as you can see stretch-backports
has the same nvidia drivers as testing/unstable
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783[08:08:34] <rant> password4: you can just get stretch dvds or
make a stretch repo and maintain the nvidia drivers seperately from
backports if for some reason you actually need it. perhaps consider
setting up your own mirror
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784[08:09:28] <rant> at least if you have your own mirror or an
apt-caching proxy you can keep up-to-date with security updates
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787[08:09:54] <rant> I personally ran and apt-caching proxy when
I had many debian machines at home
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788[08:10:01] <password4> setting up my own mirror is a bit over
the top
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793[08:10:46] <rant> an apt-cacher would only mirror the
packages you actually use and would only fetch packages from an
internet mirror if they were not cached or if there were newer
versions available
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794[08:10:52] <[E]sc> is there a way to add btrfs to the liveusb
so that I can install the os, because it's complaining it
doesn't recognize the file format system
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800[08:13:37] <password4> rant i just want an iso for when my
current broken install finally goes fully broken
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mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
[shit]node complains about a problem (see above)
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808[08:16:39] <rant> [E]sc: just use the debian-installer
instead of the live?
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810[08:18:01] <rant> password4: there are/were utilities to just
take a running system and make it into a live iso that can be ran
and installed, may be more what you're looking for
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811[08:18:27] <password4> no
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812[08:18:53] <password4> my current installation is barely
working , I don't want to copy the barely working settings
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815[08:19:26] <rant> what is the problem with just having a
netinstall media and installing from the internet?
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816[08:19:40] <rant> ISOs are outdated the minute you burn them
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818[08:23:04] <password4> cap
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820[08:23:16] <password4> limited nbandwidth
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822[08:26:08] <aci> password4:
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823[08:26:22] <aci> You cannot fix a broken installation with an
outdated ISO
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825[08:26:39] <aci> The primary question is why it's broken
in the first time
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826[08:27:03] <password4> because installing drivers on linux is
still dodgey as fuck
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827[08:27:23] <annadane> not if you do it properly...
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828[08:28:10] <aci> yes it's a pita mostly due to idiotic
guides
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830[08:28:43] <aci> that breaks the apt upgrade
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831[08:29:36] <rant> password4: do you have more than one
machine?
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832[08:29:42] <password4> annadane: oh like how the stuff in the
repos broke my x?
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835[08:29:53] <aci>
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836[08:29:54] <rant> because an apt-cacher is more bandwidth
efficient than an ISO
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837[08:30:00] <password4> 2 , but their not keps in sync
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838[08:30:11] <password4> an iso i can dl for free at work
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840[08:30:49] <aci> password4: any particular driver?
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841[08:30:51] <password4> wow a contradiciton is the first
sentence "Debian is a robust and reliable system, but it's
still very easy for new users to break their systems by not doing
things the Debian way"
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842[08:30:57] <password4> nvidia
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843[08:31:13] <towo^work> nvidia is not debian
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844[08:31:14] <annadane> that's... not a contradiction at
all
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845[08:31:17] <aci> If you absolutely must have the proprietary
closed source drivers, do not download them directly from the
manufacturer's website!. Installing drivers this way only works
for the current kernel, and after the next kernel update your video
drivers will not work until they are manually reinstalled again.
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846[08:31:18] <annadane> also that
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847[08:31:27] <annadane> also THAT
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850[08:31:49] <towo^work> nvidia is propritary crap, it may
work, or not
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851[08:31:58] <towo^work> there is nothing, wgat debian can do
here
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852[08:32:08] <towo^work> *what
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853[08:32:09] <aci>
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855[08:32:15] <aci> howto
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856[08:32:26] <aci> If you want prop. drivers
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858[08:32:52] <rant> towo^work: fwiw its "that"
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859[08:33:13] <towo^work> or so
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861[08:33:20] <towo^work> english is not my native
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862[08:33:48] <rant> towo^work: I can tell, thats why I told you
in case you may want to know ;)
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863[08:34:04] <password4> need version > 375
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864[08:34:18] <password4> but we are missing my point so
freaking far
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865[08:34:25] <aci> password4: It's basic actually. If you
install a prop driver with prop script. Don't blame the os when
it breaks
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866[08:34:25] <annadane> can we communicate in esperanto, please
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867[08:34:56] <password4> aci i installed that one you linked
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868[08:35:06] <password4> could not boot into X when I rebooted
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869[08:35:22] <password4> my drivers is working now
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870[08:35:29] <password4> well idk how
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871[08:35:42] <annadane> seems pretty robust to me
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872[08:35:44] <password4> it started working correctly after my
pc woke up from sleep
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873[08:36:02] <password4> having to manually startx on boot is
not robust
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876[08:36:18] <password4> having to spend 5 hours to get into a
de is not rodubst
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878[08:37:17] <aci> password4: No it isn't. Latest drivers
from the web isn't Debians strength nor properitary drivers.
That's the point.
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879[08:37:45] <aci> It's very robust in the right context
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880[08:37:57] <password4> its easy to cross a bunch of stuff of
the lsit and then call your thing robust
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881[08:38:11] <password4> heck tnt is robust as long as you
don't set it off?
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882[08:38:35] <aci> Yes it is, thats why thay made it instead of
using nitroglycerine?
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885[08:39:33] <aci> Debain is robust as long you use the open
and standard repositorys. If you want something else maybe Debian
testing or Ubuntu is more in your flavour.
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886[08:40:05] <password4> debian is stable compared to linux in
general , I'll give you that
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the issue with this specific hardware or are you just gonna keep
debating?
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971[09:18:59] <rant> [E]sc: yes, the debian-installer is
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974[09:20:03] <rant> I personally avoid new filesystems like the
plague.. btrfs has been around awhile but still has a lot of
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980[09:24:05] <rant> yottanami: addressing that and getting the
headphone to work are two seperate things.. addressing the issue
with blueman involves background on what version of softwares you
are using, perhaps the BTS, etc.. where as getting the headphone to
work you probably want to go low-level with hci-tool or such
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998[09:36:28] <yottanami> rant, But I can use it on Windows and
even Ubuntu easily.
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1060[10:08:49] <whoever123> weeget
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1067[10:12:58] <kit1> weeget
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1122[10:22:07] <tom___> hello, I use i3, but I have mate
installed, after updating my system my cursors are very different
depending what window I am hovering over. What is deciding my
current mouse cursor and how can I make it uniform?
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1164[10:44:44] <[E]sc> rant, which filesystem would you recommend
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1165[10:45:32] <[E]sc> if i make the liveusb persistence will the
updated packages be installed there and be available for the install
process onto the computer?
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1189[10:56:23] <[E]sc> BanHammor, thank you for your reply. I was
afraid of that. it's a pity. I guess i'll have to
customize my iso for install.
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1191[10:57:39] <BanHammor> is it impossible to download anything
on the target pc after installation?
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1277[11:58:07] <shtrb> ,v kio-gdrive
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1278[11:58:08] <judd> No package named 'kio-gdrive' was
found in amd64.
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1279[11:58:19] <shtrb> anyone have an idea what provide
kio-gdrive ?
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1288[12:01:02] <BanHammor> hey, can someone here running a live
debian distro post what the contents of their /boot/ directory are?
Thanks.
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1291[12:01:30] <BanHammor> e.g. ls /boot
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1295[12:02:32] <cusco> hey.. tftpd in xinetd
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1297[12:02:57] <cusco> read on the web that I could edit
/etc/xinet.d/tftpd and add "--verbose" to the server
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1298[12:03:04] <cusco> if I do so, tftp stops replying
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1299[12:03:23] <cusco> I would basically like to find out what
file is a specific device trying to request, this the logging
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1353[12:39:40] <gvvg__> Hi - I am trying to connect to my
postgres database and I suspect IPtables is blocking the connection
- I'm not sure how to stop it temporarily and restart it - it
doesn't seem to be a service running deb 8 with iptables
1.4.21-2+b1 - thanks in advance
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1391[13:00:10] <darxmurf> or add a rule to allow everything from
the client IP
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1440[13:26:10] <petn-randall> gvvg__: Can you show us the output
of 'iptables -L -vn' via
replaced-url
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1445[13:28:06] <gvvg__> petn-randall: sure here you go
replaced-url
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1449[13:29:36] <roflcakes> folks, If I want to update a specific
application on stretch how do I do it, go to install it again ?
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1454[13:29:57] <roflcakes> I have done apt-get update
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1457[13:30:24] <BCMM> roflcakes: as in, there's an upgrade
waiting, but you want that application now, not to wait while the
whole system upgrades?
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1458[13:30:35] <BCMM> roflcakes: or as in you want a newer
version than is in the repos?
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1460[13:30:54] <roflcakes> BCMM: ok for instance there is a
security release of irssi
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1461[13:31:11] <roflcakes> im on the older version, how do I get
stretch to pull in the updated security fix, i assume its in the
repo
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1463[13:31:35] <BCMM> roflcakes: do you have a specific aversion
to upgrading the whole system?
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1464[13:31:43] <roflcakes> nope
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1467[13:31:48] <roflcakes> its fresh ish vm
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1470[13:32:02] <roflcakes> full-upgrade
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1476[13:32:56] <gaxl> is this sha2 or sha3?
cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/SHA512SUMS
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1478[13:33:20] <jelly> roflcakes: if you want the update for just
one specific package, it's same as installing it: apt-get
install packagename
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1480[13:33:30] <roflcakes> thanks
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1482[13:34:06] <darxmurf> except with a dirty for+find, is there
a way to give a folder the timestamp of the last modified file in it
? and to that recursively for all the subfolders ?
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1483[13:34:06] <BCMM> gaxl: almost certainly sha-2
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1485[13:34:10] <jelly> gaxl: sha2
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1487[13:34:30] <OS-36618> Hello
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1489[13:34:43] <jelly> darxmurf: no
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1490[13:34:49] <BCMM> gaxl: since sha-1 didn't support
variable output size, terms like "sha-512" refer to sha-2
by default
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1491[13:34:54] <petn-randall> OS-36618: Are you using Kali or
Parrot?
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1492[13:35:04] <OS-36618> kali
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1493[13:35:04] <jelly> "yes"
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1494[13:35:05] <BCMM> gaxl: for sha3 it would be something like
sha3-512
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1495[13:35:12] <darxmurf> jelly: then let's warm up the
disks \o/
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1498[13:35:32] <petn-randall> !tell OS-36618 -about kali
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1501[13:35:58] <gaxl> why does debian, gpgtools, everyone use
sha2 instead of sha3 considering sha2 is vulnerable/not secure while
sha3 is
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1503[13:36:28] <petn-randall> gaxl: What makes sha2 vulnerable?
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1504[13:36:33] <roflcakes> I have a feeling that I dont fully
understand the package naming convention.
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1505[13:36:38] <roflcakes> irssi is already the newest version
(1.0.2-1+deb9u3).
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1506[13:36:40] <BCMM> gaxl: got a link about that sha2 vuln?
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1507[13:36:50] <jelly> gaxl: vulnerable to what attack
that's going to be praticably using in the next 10 years?
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1508[13:36:53] <BCMM> gaxl: or are you talking about theoretical
post-quantum issues?
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1509[13:36:54] <gaxl> well I was looking at this table
replaced-url
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1510[13:36:58] <OS-36618> #petn-randall i from backtrack to kali,
cant spick good english, sorry about that
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1511[13:36:58] <jelly> usable*
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1514[13:37:28] <OS-36618> petn-randall, what you interest about
kali?
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1515[13:37:30] <Qas> hello, does anyone have experience with
masterpdf editor on debian? it offers ubuntu download, but there is
no mention of debian
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1517[13:38:08] <roflcakes> offsec overflow lulz
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1520[13:38:40] <BCMM> petn-randall: how did you know? (about the
kali user)
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1522[13:38:58] <darxmurf> hmm damn it's not that simple ^^
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1523[13:38:59] <petn-randall> BCMM: They all match the regex
/OS-\d+/.
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1527[13:39:22] <BCMM> petn-randall: hmm, how come? i thought it
was default root?
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1528[13:39:36] <BCMM> or does it autogenerate configuration for
an included irc client?
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1529[13:39:47] <OS-36618> petn-randall, where you from? i am new
member here
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1530[13:40:03] <roflcakes> they are on the course and have to
change their nick in the channel for support
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1531[13:40:24] <rafalcpp> is debian still supporting static IP on
card
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1532[13:40:27] <roflcakes> he thinks he is typing in #offsec
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1534[13:40:31] <gaxl> sha2 512 is vulnerable to length extension
attacks, is it possible while keeping the same file size?
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1537[13:41:09] <jelly> gaxl: those basically mean it's as
good as sha2 128 bits, which is still good enough
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1538[13:41:33] <BCMM> gaxl: how do you think length extension
works?
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1539[13:41:37] <roflcakes> jelly: did you see my irssi version
info, does that mean its patched with the security update ?
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1541[13:41:48] <jelly> roflcakes: I did not.
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1542[13:41:52] <roflcakes> irssi is already the newest version
(1.0.2-1+deb9u3).
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1545[13:42:10] <jelly> roflcakes: look at package version and
consult security-tracker.debian.org
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1547[13:42:17] <roflcakes> ok
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1548[13:42:31] <roflcakes> so the bit at the end +deb9u3 means
that it could be patched
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1549[13:42:42] <BCMM> gaxl: i mean, how does it pertain to debian
package signing?
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1550[13:43:03] <jelly> roflcakes: if you know the CVE number you
can look itup directly on that page.
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1551[13:43:05] <gaxl> BCMM: just downloading the iso or other
software
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1555[13:43:37] <gaxl> jelly: sha2 wikipedia: SHA-256 and SHA-512,
and, to a lesser degree, SHA-224 and SHA-384 are prone to length
extension attacks,[7] rendering it insecure for some applications.
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1559[13:44:17] <BCMM> gaxl: right, but *what attack is possible
with those* that wouldn't also be possible with a different
hashing algorithm?
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1560[13:44:24] <petn-randall> OS-36618: You are in the wrong
channel. This is for Debian support. You're looking for
#kali-linux.
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1561[13:44:31] <jelly> gaxl: now go and read [7] and read what
Schneier says about those
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1563[13:46:10] <OS-36618> petn-randall, thank for information, i
try to register on OSCP course and there found this channel
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1565[13:46:23] <OS-36618> sorry about misundarstending
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1566[13:46:57] <OS-36618> i new member here
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1567[13:47:25] <gaxl> jelly: [7] has no reference to Schneier but
I can just google Schneier sha2
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1570[13:48:41] <rafalcpp> BCMM: debian packages are signed with
PGP right? pretty sure it uses checksums in secure manner
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1571[13:48:54] <BCMM> rafalcpp: quite.
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1572[13:49:11] <petn-randall> gaxl: Actually, [7] doesn't
even reference SHA2, but MD5, which is broken for different reasons.
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1573[13:49:27] <BCMM> rafalcpp: however gaxl has clarified that
he's talking about iso image download, where there's a
sha512sum in the mirror directory with the iso
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1574[13:49:48] <rafalcpp> it seems that attack would only do one
thing: without knowing content of original .iso
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1575[13:49:57] <rafalcpp> it would allow to calculate the
checksum of .iso with appended data at end
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1576[13:50:07] <BCMM> i'm not clear if he's got a
reason for thinking length extension is an issue here, other than
that it exists
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1577[13:50:14] <rafalcpp> how ever, content of original .iso is
not a *secret*, so the extension attack seems to have no use here
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1578[13:50:40] <BCMM> honestly though, i'm not quite sure
what the purpose of that checksum is
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1580[13:51:03] <BCMM> its coming from the same source as the iso,
and can be expected to be subject to the same tamper risks as the
iso
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1581[13:51:06] <rafalcpp> BCMM: well, debian release team signs
that file with checksums of iso
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1582[13:51:21] <gvvg__> Hi - I am trying to connect to my
postgres database and I suspect IPtables is blocking the connection
- I'm not sure how to stop it temporarily and restart it - it
doesn't seem to be a service running deb 8 with iptables
1.4.21-2+b1
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1585[13:51:39] <gaxl> Im using a computer that does not have any
pgp tools and Im trying to verify the pgp tools program download
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1586[13:51:46] <gvvg__> Here is a pastebin of iptables -L -vn
replaced-url
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1587[13:51:48] <BCMM> rafalcpp: oh lol, i didn't see
SHA512SUMS.sign in the same directory
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1588[13:51:50] <gaxl> gpg*
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1589[13:52:16] <rafalcpp> gaxl: calculate checksum (even windows
has software for that), write it on paper
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1591[13:52:25] <rafalcpp> and ask around is this the correct
checksum
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1592[13:52:35] <petn-randall> gvvg__: How are you trying to
connect?
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1593[13:52:49] <gvvg__> petn-randall: using a psql
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1595[13:53:39] <BCMM> i'm trying not to be an elitist jerk
pointing and laughing at kali users, but that username is *so* not
helping
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1596[13:53:40] <jelly> gaxl: this is really a topic for a
cryptography channel. However a 30 second search
replaced-url
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1600[13:54:08] <D4rkn3S> this is the offsec channel?
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1602[13:54:20] <BCMM> D4rkn3S: no.
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1604[13:54:22] <jelly> D4rkn3S: no, this is #debian
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1605[13:54:26] <BCMM> D4rkn3S: the offsec channel is #offsec
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1606[13:54:34] <D4rkn3S> ok, thank
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1607[13:54:51] <BCMM> D4rkn3S: you're using hexchat, just
look left a few cm
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1608[13:55:10] <BCMM> D4rkn3S: you should see a list of channels
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1609[13:55:14] <D4rkn3S> BCMM, thank, i know
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1610[13:55:18] <BCMM> D4rkn3S: the one that's highlighted in
blue is the one you're talking in
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1611[13:55:45] <roflcakes> ok so its vulnerable, interesting
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1612[13:55:55] <darxmurf> for z in *; do find "$z"
-type d | awk '{ print length, $0 }' | sort -n -r | sed
"s|^[0-9]\+[[:space:]]||" | while read f; do
thedate=$(find "$f" -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f
-printf "%TY%Tm%Td\n" | sort | tail -1); if [[ -n
"$thedate" ]]; then touch -d "$thedate"
"$f"; lastdate="$thedate"; else touch -d
"$lastdate" "$f"; fi; done; done
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1613[13:56:00] <darxmurf> dirty :D
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1614[13:56:02] <darxmurf> but it works \o/
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1615[13:56:32] <D4rkn3S> ok thank
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1617[13:57:01] <BCMM> D4rkn3S: let me guess, #offsec didn't
let you in because you didn't register with nickserv?
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1619[13:57:10] <gvvg__> petn-randall: any thoughts? could
iptables be blocking my connection?
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1621[13:57:39] <gvvg__> petn-randall: I thought an easy way to
test would be turn iptables off try my connection and then turn it
back on again
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1622[13:57:51] <BCMM> D4rkn3S: if you ask in #freenode, they can
help you get registered
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1623[13:58:11] <D4rkn3S> #BCMM, i am going to register today
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1624[13:58:30] <D4rkn3S> BCMM, ok thank once again
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1625[13:59:22] <gaxl> the sha-2 wikipedia page says it's not
secure but if everyone is still using it then they're using it
just for error correction
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1626[13:59:34] <BCMM> gaxl: it's just not as simple as that
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1627[13:59:39] <BCMM> gaxl: "secure" or "not
secure"
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1628[13:59:48] <BCMM> gaxl: it is insecure in certain specific
applications
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1631[14:00:49] <BCMM> ones that are unrelated to how debian uses
them
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1634[14:01:27] <gaxl> I'm just talking about me and my
browser using them to download debian or any other program
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1635[14:02:02] <jelly> gaxl: that's hash usage and this
particular attack is not relevant
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1636[14:02:11] <BCMM> gaxl: if you're worried about somebody
switching sha512sums for another file, the algorithm used does not
matter
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1639[14:02:44] <BCMM> gaxl: however, you can confirm that that
hasn't happened using SHA512SUMS.sign
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1644[14:03:37] <gaxl> BCMM: you can't do that if someone can
produce a hash collision on sha2 512
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1645[14:03:45] <BCMM> gaxl: nobody has ever done that
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1646[14:03:53] <jelly> that we know of!
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1647[14:04:00] <jelly> *evil laugh*
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1648[14:04:02] <BCMM> gaxl: i'm sorry, but i don't
think you're actually reading the links you post
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1651[14:04:18] <BCMM> gaxl: wikipedia mentions a specific attack
against sha-2
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1653[14:04:26] <BCMM> gaxl: it is not a way of producing
collisions
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1657[14:05:41] <BCMM> gaxl: is it possible you're
mis-remembering the sha-1 collision that was demonstrated by Google
last year?
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1662[14:08:48] <gaxl> no I was just looking into sha2, so no mitm
attack can happen during a download if sha2 is vulnerable to a
length extension attack
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1668[14:13:11] <jelly> gaxl: being pedantic, no, the best thing
you can say is: there is no known MITM attack. You can almost never
say "attack can't happen"
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1674[14:15:59] <gaxl> I'm reading that through the process
of a length extension attack a hacker can generate a valid hash, I
am also reading that sha2 is vulnerable to length extension attacks
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1675[14:16:27] <BCMM> gaxl: what sort of mitm are you talking
about?
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1676[14:16:44] <BCMM> gaxl: if you connect to a debian mirror
over plain http, yes, somebody can mitm you and change the hash file
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1677[14:16:52] <BCMM> gaxl: *regardless of the hashing algorithm
used*
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1678[14:17:10] <gaxl> I'm not talking about changing the
hash file, the ISO
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1680[14:17:34] <BCMM> gaxl: but if they change the iso, the hash
won't match any more
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1682[14:18:03] <gaxl> if you do a length extension attack it will
match
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1683[14:18:15] <BCMM> gaxl: are you confusing length extension
attacks with chosen-prefix collision attacks?
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1686[14:20:21] <BCMM> gaxl: length extension doesn't give
you a way to generating a file with a matching hash
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1688[14:20:58] <BCMM> gaxl: what it allows you to do is this: add
data to the end of the iso file, and work out what the hash of the
resulting file is, without knowing the contents of the original iso
file
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1689[14:21:13] <gaxl> oh
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1690[14:21:23] <BCMM> in this case, that isn't useful to an
attacker
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1692[14:21:50] <gaxl> ok
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1695[14:22:06] <BCMM> gaxl: the attack matters because sometimes,
people might try to, for example, digitally sign a message by
hashing some secret value+the message
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1697[14:22:40] <BCMM> in which case, length extension allows an
attacker to generate a hash of secret value+the message+more stuff,
without knowing the secret value
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1700[14:23:18] <BCMM> so you see, an algorithm can be weak in a
specific application without automatically being totally broken for
all usage
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1704[14:24:07] <gaxl> useful, thanks
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1710[14:25:59] <BCMM> gaxl: now, it's always possible that
the NSA has some tricks up their sleave, but there's no
publicly-known collision attack for sha-2
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1711[14:26:30] <BCMM> that means that an attacker modifying your
iso file would need to generate a modified checksum file to match
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1712[14:26:57] <rafalcpp> who ever invented mousewheele = hide
window in a retarded title bar, should be smacked in the face
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1715[14:27:41] <BCMM> gaxl: and that's where gpg comes in,
allowing you to cryptographically verify that the checksum file was
published by debian developers, or at least somebody with access to
their private keys
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1718[14:27:57] <gaxl> I just saw MITM and extension attack on the
same page together often on google
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1723[14:29:06] <gaxl> BCMM: I just wanted to make sure I can
securely download gpg if its not already installed (its not for me)
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1726[14:29:39] <BCMM> gaxl: hmm. are you prepared to trust https?
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1731[14:30:37] <gvvg__> Hi - I am trying to connect to my
postgres database and I suspect IPtables is blocking the connection
- I'm not sure how to stop it temporarily and restart it - it
doesn't seem to be a service running deb 8 with iptables
1.4.21-2+b1
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1732[14:30:45] <gvvg__> is there a better way or place to ask
this question?
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1733[14:30:55] <gvvg__> perhaps another channel?
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1734[14:31:25] <gvvg__> Here is a pastebin of iptables -L -vn
replaced-url
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1735[14:31:43] <gaxl> BCMM: Not really but I'm guessing
2048-bit SSL is more secure right
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1741[14:32:46] <gvvg__> Here is a pastebin of iptables -L -vn
---->
replaced-url
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1742[14:34:13] <gaxl> BCMM:
replaced-url
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1747[14:35:41] <BCMM> gaxl: well, do you have *any* encryption or
signing software you trust?
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1749[14:36:06] <BCMM> gaxl: i mean, if you've got no way to
trust stuff you download from the internet, there's nothing you
can download that will *make* you able to trust things
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1762[14:39:58] <gaxl> I can verify what the checksums should be
using google cache, archive.org, and other connections/cell phones,
to verify the published checksums on the site are the same
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1763[14:40:15] <gaxl> so I'd just be concerned with the file
itself
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1764[14:41:11] <BCMM> gaxl: well if you can verify that the
checksums are consistent from a trusted connection, i guess
you've got no need to also verify the checksums with pgp
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1767[14:41:53] <BCMM> (although it's worth pointing out that
the debian model is supposed to be that you don't have to trust
debian mirrors)
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1768[14:43:03] <BCMM> i suppose if you're feeling too
paranoid you can just order debian on CD in the post
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1769[14:43:19] <BCMM> well dvd these days i guess
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1773[14:45:38] <gaxl> i can't verify the checksums with pgp
if I'm trying to download pgp
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1775[14:45:51] <gaxl> gpg*
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1784[14:49:10] <gaxl> As sha2 512 is secure. I can check the
gpgtools site from many locations, google cache, multiple caches
from archive.org, make sure the checksum published on all of them is
the same
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1786[14:50:20] <gaxl> my computer can compute sha2 512 without
downloading anything
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1794[14:54:51] <tcp_j> hi, i have problem creating empty package,
fails at dpkg-genbuildinfo: error: binary build with no binary
artifacts found; .buildinfo is meaningless
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1805[14:58:28] <jaami___> hi
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1806[14:58:51] <jaami___> unfortunately empathy is not showing me
list of ppls
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1811[14:59:30] <jaami___> anyway, i want to use app that can keep
the internet connection alive at all time. what app name would you
suggest?
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1812[14:59:48] <BCMM> jaami___: what sort of internet connection?
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1813[15:00:03] <jaami___> is there some way debian itself keep
connection to the internet alive at all time?
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1814[15:00:13] <jaami___> its usb dongle
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1815[15:00:34] <jaami___> i use wifi even though the usb is
directly connected to my laptop
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1817[15:00:42] <BCMM> jaami___: i mean, my internet connection
stays connected all the time, and i'm not doing anything
special
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1818[15:00:58] <BCMM> jaami___: do you connect through a router?
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1819[15:01:03] <jaami___> yes, but mine goes off after a minute
or so
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1820[15:01:34] <petn-randall> jaami___: Then you need to
configure your router to not do that.
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1822[15:01:43] <jaami___> the usb has router in it where i set
the idle time max to 120 seconds. but still i have to restart usb
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1823[15:01:50] <petn-randall> jaami___: Are you paying by the
minute for internet?
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1824[15:01:56] <BCMM> jaami___: i still don't know what kind
of internet connection you have
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1825[15:02:02] <jaami___> i pay for a month
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1826[15:02:11] <jaami___> oh
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1827[15:02:11] <BCMM> jaami___: this usb dongle, is it a wifi
dongle? cellular internet?
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1829[15:02:46] <jaami___> yes, its wifi and if its directly in
laptop port it also provides eithernet
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1831[15:03:12] <gypsymauro> hi
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1832[15:03:20] <jaami___> i keep the ethernet off and use wifi
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1834[15:03:55] <jaami___> BCMM, have you seen huawe usb internet
devices?
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1840[15:05:16] <jaami___> i think the ISP turns of internet
connection to mu USB when i am not using internet. so to connect
again i have to restart the router in the USB
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1841[15:05:42] <jaami___> i dont know how o explain the device
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1842[15:05:43] <gypsymauro> I've a file system repository
with some custom packages I've added a source line like deb
file:/myfolder ./ , now the idea is to serve that packages via nginx
or apache and let my LAN server to obtiain them through apt, there
is an easy way to achieve that? i googled but it seems so complex
(gpg, config files and so on) it's better to copy them manully
and use the filesystem method?
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1847[15:06:44] <jaami___> is there any way debian keep internet
connection alive by downloading something continuously?
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1848[15:06:53] <gaxl> jaami___: it's a cell phone connected
by USB basically
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1850[15:07:07] <jaami___> oh ok.
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1854[15:07:39] <jaami___> yes, you are right because there is SIM
in it
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1857[15:08:15] <gaxl> why don't you just stay in chat/IRC so
it's always active
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1858[15:08:20] <jaami___> please tell me how to keep the
connection alive
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1859[15:08:24] <jaami___> hahaha
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1862[15:08:37] <jaami___> nice, it will work i think
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1865[15:09:18] <jaami___> but really, i was thinking if there is
any very small app or debian itself do the ping to a server
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1867[15:09:34] <jaami___> oh, i can use ping
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1869[15:09:54] <gaxl> if your provider wants to disconnect you
when they think you're not active a icmp or udp ping wont help
you
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1871[15:10:09] <jaami___> oh
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1872[15:10:14] <gaxl> but staying on IRC probably would
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1873[15:10:30] <jaami___> yes, and for ping i have to use
terminal with root access
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1875[15:10:46] <jaami___> yes, i think its better idea
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1877[15:11:06] <gaxl> if I owned a telecom business and someone
just keeping udp packets going without any tcp packets, I would not
leave them connected
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1880[15:11:22] <jaami___> ah i see
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1881[15:11:43] <jaami___> cheap companies dissconnect. good
companies dont do that
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1885[15:12:05] <gaxl> just one ping at a set interval would look
obvious on a graph
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1886[15:12:18] <jaami___> hmm
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1920[15:32:39] <tw> This isn't a debian thing, but it's
more likely that the modem just goes to sleep to save power.
Cellular wireless devices are very aggressive about power savings.
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1926[15:33:42] <jaami___> tw yes, its not debian thing. i needed
solution to this problem while thinking there will be some way
debian can help
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1931[15:35:01] <jelly> how do I send Ctrl-Alt-F2 to windows over
xfreerdp?
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1935[15:37:56] <jelly> (I actually have to send it to a vmware
VM, but the remote console client is running on a windows system)
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1936[15:38:07] <tom_> why is dbus-daemon using so much cpu?
jumping to 40-50% alot. im on testing
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1938[15:38:40] <jelly> testing eh?
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1939[15:38:43] <jelly> !debian-next
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1940[15:38:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1943[15:39:25] <aero> Linux
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1944[15:39:35] <towo^work> no, debian
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1945[15:39:48] <aero> no, windows xp
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1946[15:39:54] <jelly> !ask
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1947[15:39:55] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2134[16:25:15] <tom_> my issue looks very similar to this
replaced-url
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2177[16:39:41] <hxmuller> hi, I struggled the past couple days
learning to automount an sd card. I solved that, and am curious
about mount points. I am familiar with /media/<volume>, but
udisks2 automatically mounts to /run/media/$USER/<volume. I also
know how to configure it to return to known behavior
(/media/<volume>), should I just let it mount to a private
unshared directory?
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2180[16:41:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps i need to stop this
suspend from systemd
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2181[16:41:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> 2018-03-05T10:36:01.580157-05:00
ephiny systemd-logind[414]: Lid closed.
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2182[16:41:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> 2018-03-05T10:36:01.584200-05:00
ephiny kernel: [ 218.047214] i2c i2c-3: i2c write failed
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2183[16:41:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> 2018-03-05T10:36:01.583452-05:00
ephiny systemd-logind[414]: Suspending...
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2184[16:41:16] <hxmuller> reason I ask is
replaced-url
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2187[16:42:10] <babilen> Eryn_1983_FL: You mean you want to stop
an ongoing suspend or you want to configure your system to not
suspend on lid close?
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2189[16:42:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> not to suspend on lid closes
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2191[16:42:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> or just turn off..
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2192[16:42:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> i see a lodngd.conf file i past bin
one sec
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2193[16:42:53] <babilen> Did you read and follow
replaced-url
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2194[16:43:17] <BanHammor> hxmuller, it's not in FHS, but i
presume it will be in the next revision, since udev and a bunch of
other tools now rely on it.
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2198[16:43:34] <babilen> Eryn_1983_FL: IIRC there were a couple
of locations .. what have you tried so far and what was the outcome?
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2199[16:43:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> i think i changd it n xscreensavr
so far
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2200[16:44:13] <BanHammor> as for whether to disable it...well,
you decide. If you have >1 user on your local machine and need to
access FSes that other users mounted, it may be useful to switch to
the old behavior
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2204[16:46:45] <hxmuller> BanHammor: thx for the input,
that's what I a was trying to confirm, the consequences of one
over the other
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2206[16:47:40] <BanHammor> the presumption of udisks writers is
that allowing users to access other people's flash drives is a
security breach
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2207[16:48:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> oh oh i got it was that file woot
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2209[16:49:12] <hxmuller> BanHammor: right, so I just have to
keep that in mind as I try to access old data on removable media
that i created as a different user
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2213[16:49:58] <BanHammor> i mean, if you created that data as a
different user, and your flash drive doesn't have Linux access
permissions (e.g. FAT, NTFS), you won't notice
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2214[16:50:12] <hxmuller> yes, i have a mix
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2216[16:50:33] <hxmuller> it won't matter on the fat|ntfs,
but it will on the ext2|3|4 formatted devices
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2217[16:50:57] <BanHammor> hell, even if the drive is ext4,
whether it mounts on /run/media or /media doesn't matter IIRC
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2219[16:51:58] <BanHammor> root is able to access them all AND is
the only user that can chown files
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2224[16:55:54] <tw> hxmuller: probably relevant to your interests
replaced-url
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2243[17:01:06] <hxmuller> tw: yes, thanks. I found a version of
that on the archlinux wiki prior to asking
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2244[17:01:32] <tw> permissions matter for ntfs and any
fuse-related filesystem.
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2248[17:03:12] <hxmuller> yes, I know how to deal with that when
I bump into it. I'm just going to leave it as udisks2 mounts
it, /run/media/$USER/<volume>
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2251[17:05:10] <BanHammor> tw: wait, you mean linux respects ntfs
permissions?
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2253[17:05:30] <tw> Usually.
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2255[17:05:57] <BanHammor> huh.
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2258[17:06:41] <BanHammor> i wouldn't imagine they translate
very well, windows doesn't have UIDs
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2273[17:08:57] <tw> More importantly, linux doesn't have
user GUID mappings.
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2297[17:15:34] <icarious> Hi. Where can I find the .config used
by Debian for its Kernels? Is it uploaded somewhere? I am not
looking for the /boot location as I am not on Debian
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2298[17:15:54] <icarious>
replaced-url
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2300[17:16:39] <greycat> *plonk*
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2304[17:17:56] <BanHammor> icarious, you can extract the deb
package with the image and get it that way
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2305[17:18:07] <jasperarcola> you can get posix uids and gids in
AD if you add the schema but I don't know if ntfs has metadata
for them
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2307[17:18:09] <icarious> BanHammor: you mean from the usual
Debian mirrors
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2308[17:18:15] <BanHammor> yes
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2310[17:18:24] <icarious> BanHammor: ok. thanks. how do you
extract a .deb btw?
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2312[17:18:51] <BanHammor> ar -x
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2313[17:19:21] <icarious> BanHammor: ok thanks a ton
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2314[17:20:12] <icarious> Btw why doesn't
security.debian.org have SSL? There could be a MITM pretty easily
for a crucial repo as this.
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2322[17:21:14] <BanHammor> it's not really trivial since
it's GPG-signed
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2323[17:21:24] <BanHammor> see also: every other Debian repo
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2328[17:24:27] <icarious> BanHammor: apt itself will check for
that, but there may be issues with people downloading them
individually or while performing a debootstrap installation at which
stage GPG may not have been configured
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2332[17:24:51] <BanHammor> that should be a bug in debootstrap
then
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2335[17:25:26] <BanHammor> (i don't think security.d.o even
gets involved in debootstrap tho)
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2336[17:25:45] <icarious> BanHammor: it "should".
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2337[17:25:47] <icarious> BanHammor: other repos have SSL. What I
was asking was for the same SSL cert to extend to the
security.debian.org subdomain, that's all.
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2342[17:26:49] <BanHammor> i'm not a debian maintainer or
sysadmin, i can't help you with that.
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2345[17:27:15] <icarious> BanHammor: I know. Just saying. Might
file a report
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2348[17:27:49] <icarious> BanHammor:
replaced-url
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2350[17:28:30] <capn>
replaced-url
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2361[17:30:37] <memo1> there is a debian version for servers?
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2363[17:30:44] <memo1> like the ubuntu for servers?
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2366[17:31:42] <jdlexky> memo1: I usually just netinstall my
servers with stable or testing
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2369[17:32:31] <greycat> Debian doesn't have separate
"server installs". You just install Debian and then
don't select a desktop.
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2371[17:32:50] <annadane> though if you select web server in the
installer you get apache
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2373[17:33:03] <annadane> but yeah
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2375[17:33:12] <greycat> I normally only select the
"Standard" package set from the installer, then install
whatever I want on top of that myself.
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2397[17:41:37] <stemid> hey some major strange has happened to me
after upgrading from wheezy to jessie and I'm not sure where to
shoot this so I'll give it a shot here. I use the gammu package
and a little socat magic to bind a file to the TCP port of an sms
modem. worked fine for many years until the jessie upgrade. now
whenever gammu connects to the socket the port closes. as if the sms
modem crashes. I have to login to its
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2398[17:41:43] <stemid> web ui and reboot it to re-open the port.
now I know this should probably be a support case with Lantronix
(modem manufacturer) but fact remains that this worked fine on
wheezy. so I thought maybe someone else running an sms gateway on
debian was here to shine some light.
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2399[17:42:25] <stemid> the #gammu channel is dead but I'm
checking their mailing list too.
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2401[17:44:22] <memo1> jdlexky: greycat thank you
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2404[17:46:30] <jdlexky> memo1: You are welcome, what I usually
would recommend is going with the testing install and install it
really lean, so mainly you just have SSH and a server running, no X
windows, no apache, no anything, then use tasksel or dselect to
install your packages. I like dselect. Before you install anything
do an apt-get update, and then apt-get upgrade. You should have a
fairly secure lean server at that point
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2407[17:47:35] <memo1> jdlexky: hi, thank you. I donw know
dselect ofr taksel, are like apt-get?
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2409[17:48:23] <jdlexky> yes, dselect is just a command line
version of an pkg installer, so is tasksel, dselect has a build-in
help system
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2410[17:48:32] <greycat> dselect is very old. It predates
aptitude, synaptic, etc.
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2411[17:48:32] <dselect> greycat: are you using Windows?
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2413[17:49:25] <jdlexky> yeah, greycat is right, but I am old
too!
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2417[17:50:58] <memo1> jdlexky: and to install on a usb use: dd
if=/... of=/ ...?
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2434[17:55:22] <jdlexky> memo1: no, I just use a usb installer,
created with unetbootin
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2435[17:55:48] <jdlexky> memo1: just search unetbootin on google,
it is pretty much available for any platform
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2439[17:57:56] <jelly> !unetbootin
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2440[17:57:56] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
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2448[17:59:44] <memo1> jdlexky: dd is buggy?
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2449[17:59:56] <memo1> jdlexky: because im trying and keeps
failing
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2450[18:00:05] <jelly> memo1, jdlexky: testing has no security
support and may break with upgrades at any time. Please avoid using
it on a server (unless you're a seasoned Debian user)
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2452[18:00:35] <memo1> jelly: i just download 9.3. That is
testing?or stable?
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2453[18:00:37] <jelly> memo1: what is the exact command
you're trying and its complete output?
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2454[18:00:43] <jelly> !paste
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2455[18:00:43] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
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2457[18:00:48] <greycat> 9.3 is stable
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2458[18:01:05] <jelly> memo1: that's stable, the current
release
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2459[18:01:18] <memo1> jelly: dd if=/image.iso of=/dev/sdb
&& sync
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2460[18:02:15] <memo1> jelly: greycat thank you.
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2470[18:06:21] <BanHammor> and the error?
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2475[18:08:24] <memo1> BanHammor: debootstrap dpkg: regarding
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2476[18:08:45] <memo1> BanHammor: during instalatioin of base
system
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2478[18:08:59] <memo1> BanHammor: Im ckecking the logs
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2485[18:12:27] <memo1> BanHammor: Base-installer: error: exiting
on error base-installer/debootsrap-gaild
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2487[18:12:36] <memo1> BanHammor: Base-installer: error: exiting
on error base-installer/debootsrap-failed
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2488[18:13:11] <BanHammor> !paste
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channel. Instead, use:
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2491[18:13:25] <memo1> BanHammor: resolver (libgcc1) pacakge
doen't exist
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2508[18:23:20] <areyouloco> yo anyone knows how to fix this issue
on decent debian version?
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2509[18:23:21] <judd> Bug
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2516[18:24:25] <areyouloco> it can be reproduced on installations
with first encrypted luks partition and then lvm2 on it
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2519[18:24:51] <areyouloco> its cosmetic thing i know but it
bothers me each time I boot my pc
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2535[18:28:09] <areyouloco> and second question that bothers me.
how do I enable killing X server by ctrl+alt+backspace?
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2548[18:31:51] <jbz6> you mean you wanna create a command, that
would kill xorg with the matching keys ?
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2555[18:33:46] <Yojimbo> areyouloco you set that in your
xorg.conf
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2560[18:34:28] <hbautista> areyouloco, I have this same
configuration on my new Debian Installation
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2562[18:34:42] <hbautista> First create a Luks Partition, then I
configure LVM
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2570[18:36:50] <hbautista> My root partition ( / ) is a a primary
partition without Luks, /home, /var and swap are LVM partitions with
Luks
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2578[18:38:34] <areyouloco> i found a solution. how to kill X
server by ctrl+alt+backspace> -> sudo dpkg-reconfigure
keyboard-configuration -> and set it there (last prompt)
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2583[18:39:27] <Yojimbo> areyouloco cool. sorry i thought i was
in the freebsd channel when i read that heh
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2584[18:39:44] <alice|wl> hello, I m on a fresh install done with
grmls debootstrap and doing apt install gnome-destop-task. The
process hangs after setting up dbus execution systemd-tty-ask. Any
idea how to fix that?
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2607[18:46:14] <areyouloco> alice|wl: grml is debian-BASED so
it's not supported here
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2619[18:50:19] <n4dir> alice|wl: did you use grml to debootstrap
debian, or did you debootstrap grml (not sure if that is even
possible)
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2621[18:50:42] <alice|wl> n4dir: i used a grml live system to
debootstrap debian
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2622[18:51:28] <alice|wl> so i have a minimal working debian and
want to install gnome
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2625[18:51:51] <n4dir> So the question does belong here. I sure
don't know what is the problem, but more info won't hurt
(mainly the exact error message).
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2626[18:51:58] <greycat> Did you reboot *into* the debian system
before trying to install gnome?
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2629[18:53:11] <alice|wl> there is no errormessage. Just some
processes dont return. reproducable eg with: systemctl start
unattended-upgrades.services.
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2632[18:54:03] <alice|wl> also the systemd-tty-ask-password-agent
wich is called by apt
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2635[18:54:24] <alice|wl> guess somethings wrong with my
console-setup.
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2638[18:56:15] <alice|wl> I rebooted, installed console-setup,
ran dpkg-reconfigure console-setup (for bigger fonts) and apt
install task-gnome-desktop
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2649[18:59:56] <Elyes> Hi
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2657[19:01:28] <Elyes> will grub2 manage to boot window10 on GPT
& legacy bios ? I want to install Debian on a disktop already
running win10 on MBR (the PC have only legacy bios).
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2664[19:02:48] <alice|wl> then killed systemctl. to get past the
unattended-upgrade ... now about to kill apt
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2695[19:09:33] <c8bitglitch> I am new to linux and coming from
the Windows world.. what sort of architecture can i get user
management and/or password management in a Linux network? I am
looking for a solution that will replace AD.
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2696[19:09:48] <jhutchins_wk> Elyes: Yes, grub can load the
necessary level of the Windows boot process. You may need to use the
Windows disk manager to create space for Debian.
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2697[19:09:57] <notadrop> c8bitglitch: for how many users@
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2698[19:09:59] <notadrop> ?
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2699[19:10:13] <c8bitglitch> notadrop, 40- 230 maybe
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2700[19:10:25] <c8bitglitch> notadrop, all local I should add.
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2702[19:10:34] <jhutchins_wk> c8bitglitch: Most networks are
turning to AD for management in a mixed environment. You can use
LDAP, although most people have problems with it.
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2703[19:11:14] <jhutchins_wk> c8bitglitch: The native *nix system
is NIS, but it has deficiencies which haven't been worked in
due to the interest in LDAP and AD.
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2704[19:11:17] <c8bitglitch> jhutchins_wk, so even with Linux you
can link it to AD?
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2705[19:11:32] <jhutchins_wk> c8bitglitch: Yes.
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2710[19:12:23] <notadrop> This is what I see when I boot... It
keeps going on forever... Started Session c(n+1) of user Debian-gdm.
// Started User Manager for UID 117 // ...
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2712[19:12:31] <c8bitglitch> jhutchins_wk, for a solution would
that not require a Windows License and cal count to connect to AD?
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2715[19:12:39] <notadrop> What's going on here? Help, please
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2719[19:13:05] <Elyes> jhutchins_wk: I want to convert the disk
to GPT, this way I'll have more partitions (3 premary are
already used for win10).
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2720[19:13:20] <jhutchins_wk> c8bitglitch: I don't know
exactly how it works, but no, it doesn't require Windows
licenses for the clients.
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2721[19:13:39] <Elyes> and the problem is this pc have only
legacy bios
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2722[19:13:40] <c8bitglitch> jhutchins_wk, ok... will look into
it thanks...
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2723[19:13:42] <jhutchins_wk> c8bitglitch: Windows doesn't
check for licenses at the network level, that's done at the
system level.
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2724[19:14:08] <jhutchins_wk> c8bitglitch: Read LOTS about it. It
ain't easy, but it can be done.
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2726[19:15:20] <BanHammor> my employer uses AD and kerberos for
logins/passwords.
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2729[19:16:21] <alkisg> Elyes: windows can't boot with gpt
and bios, linux has no problem
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2730[19:16:27] <Elyes> I knw that linux will boot properly on GPT
even if it is a legacy bios, but windwos will not
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2732[19:16:43] <alkisg> Elyes: you can install windows on one
partition; you don't need the 100 mb or the recovery one
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2736[19:17:05] <alkisg> Elyes: in any case, it's a #windows
issue, isn't it?
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2737[19:17:14] <Elyes> alkisg: win10 is alreadu installed
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2741[19:17:42] <alkisg> Elyes: i mean, what is the linux
question? How to convert the disk to gpt, even if windows won't
boot?
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2742[19:17:42] <greycat> My suggestion would be to *not* convert
the disk to GPT.
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2743[19:17:43] <Elyes> alkisg: indeed it is a microsoft issue
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2744[19:18:09] <alkisg> Elyes: it's possible to merge the
100 mb + C: to one partition even on installed windows; but not
related to #debian...
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2745[19:18:20] <alkisg> Elyes: or, you can create one extended
for all linux needs
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2750[19:19:38] <Elyes> alkisg: extended sounds better solution
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2753[19:20:12] <notadrop> How do I tell Debian to boot to a
non-graphical environment?
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2754[19:20:22] <notadrop> I just want my TTYs, no display
managers.
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2755[19:20:27] <jelly> !nodm
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2756[19:20:28] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default
multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with
"aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm
xdm". "echo false
>/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM,
or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a
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2757[19:20:52] <Elyes> thank you
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2769[19:23:18] <notadrop> jelly: is there some way to set a
runlevel from the bootloader?
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2771[19:23:43] <greycat> notadrop: add
"systemd.unit=multi-user.target" to the GRUB parameters
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2773[19:25:08] <notadrop> greycat: thank you
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2774[19:25:23] <greycat> The factoid is already too long to add
that :(
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2776[19:27:03] <greycat> Also someone once told me that you can
actually use the old Red Hat runlevel numbers, e.g. "3"
instead of "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" but I have
never tried it.
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2777[19:27:08] <notadrop> Which logs would I check to see if
somebody has logged into a system remotely?
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2778[19:27:15] <greycat> notadrop: "who",
"last"
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2780[19:28:23] <notadrop> thanka
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2782[19:28:48] <notadrop> Does the Debian live image have
gparted?
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2783[19:28:56] <notadrop> I can't stand using anything else
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2787[19:29:48] <notadrop> Not sure why the GNOME
"disks" program replaced it tbh
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2799[19:37:37] <alice|wl> after another reboot apt --fix-broken
was able to fix the situation.
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2800[19:37:48] <greycat> yay!
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2802[19:39:48] <alice|wl> Now gnome starts and a bit later stops.
Screens says power down and it reboots. Tried 3 times then figured
power is low %)
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2809[19:41:07] <evaluate> Hello.
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2813[19:42:47] <evaluate> For some clients that we manage, we
have created a metapackage which depends on the critical packages on
the system that we need for everything to work perfectly within our
environment. Some people deinstall this package which leads to
various issues, so I would like to either prevent deinstallation
(not sure if this is possible) or show some warning when the package
is being deinstalled, with an option for the user to abort the dei
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2815[19:43:32] <greycat> you could... set the priority to
Essential?
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2817[19:44:01] <greycat> err, "Essential: yes" and
"Priority: required" is what bash shows
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2819[19:44:28] <evaluate> And this would prevent the user from
being able to deinstall the package?
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2820[19:45:09] <greycat> It would require an additional
confirmation or --force or something.
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2821[19:45:34] <evaluate> I see.
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2823[19:45:43] <evaluate> Ok, I'll try that out. Thanks a
lot!
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2829[19:49:55] <MarkusA380> Hi, I need some help with my
Raspbian. I have no idea where to ask this, and StackOverflow
wouldn't help either.
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2830[19:50:07] <nkuttler> !raspbian
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2831[19:50:08] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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2832[19:50:10] <jhutchins_wk> !raspian
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2833[19:50:10] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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2834[19:50:21] * nkuttler wins
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2835[19:50:25] <MarkusA380> ok thx
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2838[19:50:37] <jhutchins_wk> MarkusA380: The little differences
between the two can really get you.
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2839[19:50:58] * jhutchins_wk tips his hat to nkuttler
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2850[19:56:05] <ArenZor> Hey_
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2853[19:56:29] <ArenZor>
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2854[19:56:43] <ArenZor> What do u think about this french
tutorial for install arch?
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2855[19:56:46] <ArenZor> Is it good?
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2856[19:56:52] <somiaj> why are you asking in #debian?
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2859[19:57:15] <ArenZor> Cause I don't find the arch irc
haha
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2860[19:57:18] <ArenZor> sorry
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2861[19:57:36] <jhutchins_wk> !arch
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2862[19:57:37] <dpkg> i guess arch is a hardware architecture
(i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390
&& ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch).
Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at
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2863[19:57:53] <jhutchins_wk> Sorry,
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2864[19:57:57] <jhutchins_wk> !arch linux
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2865[19:57:57] <dpkg> Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux
distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary
and source based package management.
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2867[19:58:16] <ArenZor> Ok ok, thank's u all
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2868[19:58:28] <ArenZor> Nice too see they are always guys like u
to help haha
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2869[19:58:43] <jhutchins_wk> ArenZor: A useful trick: /msg alis
list arch*
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2870[19:58:54] <ArenZor> +1
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2875[20:00:05] <NitrousPG> turns out the best way to optimize
i686 all along was to just remove it entirely in favor of x86_64
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2881[20:01:43] <annadane> i was going to say before they left,
"just follow the wiki"
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2893[20:06:48] <annadane> though arch used to have a beginner
guide which has subsequently been removed
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2913[20:20:23] <nkuttler> hrm, is there some python 3.6 backport
for stretch?
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2915[20:20:43] <greycat> ,v python3
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2916[20:20:44] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.4-1; sid:
3.6.4-1
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2917[20:20:52] <greycat> apparently not
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2919[20:21:15] <nkuttler> yeah.. i guess i'll containerize
it..
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2928[20:26:24] <lunario> which other ways are there to get more
console fonts for the debian tty except adding psf.gz files to
/usr/share/consolefonts? I would like to have more fonts available
because I almost only work in the virtual console...
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2945[20:34:09] <jhutchins_wk> lunario: By "virtual
console", do you mean the tty's, or a terminal emulator
under a GUI?
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2951[20:35:54] <lunario> jhutchins_wk: i mean ttys, not terminal
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2956[20:36:59] <greycat> He did say both "debian tty"
and "virtual console" in the initial question
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2958[20:37:21] <jhutchins_wk> lunario: Without specific knowledge
that either you add the files manually or find a package that adds
them.
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2964[20:38:49] <ealfonso> how can I run 'dhclient -v
usb0' on the debian installer boot prompt, to get internet
connection and be able to fetch a preseed file?
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2969[20:40:37] <lunario> jhutchins_wk: they can be changes with
setfont, and I also changed them manually already. the problem is
finding psf fonts in the correct format. some years ago I used
slackware and it had LOTS of different fonts to choose during the
installation process, and I find it hard to imagine that those were
available in a 6 year old slackware release but not available for
modern debian
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2975[20:43:33] <jhutchins_wk> lunario: They may never have been
packaged for Debian. I think the answer is to either scavenge other
distros or get yourself a conversion utility.
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2976[20:43:53] <jhutchins_wk> lunario: I used to be really into
fonts and had hundreds of them, but that was on Windows.
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2984[20:46:23] <lunario> jhutchins_wk: yeah, I will check the old
slackware packages first i guess. thanks. as for fonts, i almost
only work in ttys with tmux so I don't want to put too much
strain on my eyes on the long term, that's the only eyecandy I
allow myself ;)
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2985[20:46:36] <teamcoltra> I am having a weird problem when
starting mariadb...
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2986[20:46:45] <teamcoltra> "Process /usr/bin/install could
not be executed"
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2988[20:47:13] <teamcoltra> sorry wrong error: "
mariadb.service: Failed at step USER spawning /usr/bin/install: No
such process" (same thing but this seems more detailed)
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2997[20:49:28] <ealfonso> how do I run 'auto url=....'
from the 'execute a shell' prompt? I'm getting
'auto: not found'
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3000[20:50:26] <ealfonso> how can I get the boot prompt after
entering the installer?
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3002[20:50:45] <greycat> You mean go *back* to GRUB? Reboot.
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3003[20:51:02] <ealfonso> debian installer boot prompt
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3004[20:51:20] <greycat> After GRUB but still a one-time thing.
Still reboot.
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3007[20:51:48] <greycat> Or maybe it's "instead of
GRUB". I don't know the really low level stuff very well.
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3008[20:52:06] <ealfonso> I'm booting off a USB. I used the
GUI to obtain an IP address via DHCP. Now I need to run the
installer in 'auto' mode.
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3013[20:53:08] <jhutchins_wk> teamcoltra: What have you done so
far?
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3015[20:53:49] <m3rlin> ealfonso, try auto-hotplug
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3019[20:54:35] <m3rlin> ealfonso, i mean allow-hotplug
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3022[20:55:45] <ealfonso> so I can obtain an IP address from the
boot prompt? "loading allow-hotplug... failed: not such file or
directory"
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3023[20:56:03] <m3rlin> elfonso, try debian looking documentation
replaced-url
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3024[20:56:29] <teamcoltra> jhutchins_wk, I hadn't done
anything. On a whim I purged and reinstalled and that fixed it
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3028[20:57:51] <ealfonso> m3rlin that 'auto' has
nothing to do with the auto I'm referring to, which is in the
context of the debian installer boot prompt
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3030[20:58:34] <jhutchins_wk> teamcoltra: Well, as long as
it's working, good.
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3032[20:59:34] <jhutchins_wk> ealfonso: It's not really
clear what you're doing, but if you're doing a net install
you should get prompted to set up the net interface if it
doesn't get dhcp.
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3036[21:01:29] <m3rlin> ealfonso,
replaced-url
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3051[21:12:14] <fearnothing> hi guys
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3052[21:12:28] <fearnothing> I'm having an issue getting my
server to mount a network share without NetBIOS
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3053[21:12:32] <fearnothing> CIFS obviously
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3055[21:12:42] <m3rlin> hi fearnothing
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3057[21:12:46] <fearnothing> it's producing the same error
given here, but the solution shown doesn't work for me:
replaced-url
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3059[21:13:20] <fearnothing> it does not appear to be doing a DNS
lookup when I try to mount
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3070[21:16:53] <m3rlin> fearnothing, are smbclient pkgs
installed?
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3075[21:18:19] <fearnothing> yes
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3080[21:19:01] <jhutchins_wk> fearnothing: I believe that the
"hosts" source needs to be "files".
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3082[21:19:38] <m3rlin> try access ip address on file manager
bar, ex: smb://youripaddress
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3083[21:19:55] <fearnothing> CLI only
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3087[21:22:21] <fearnothing> if I try 'smbclient -L
<hostname>', 0 traffic including DNS lookups
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3088[21:22:31] <fearnothing> if I try 'smbclient -L <ip
address>', I get traffic
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3092[21:23:55] <jhutchins_wk> fearnothing: The explanation in the
post you linked is correct - it's not looking at DNS or the
Hosts file.
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3095[21:24:32] <jhutchins_wk> fearnothing: Haven't worked
with CIFS for a while, but you could see if there's something
in /etc/nsswitch for samba.
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3103[21:26:29] <Tenkawa> wins
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3105[21:27:03] <Tenkawa> needs to go in the nsswitch.conf line
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3106[21:27:12] <Tenkawa> for hosts
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3109[21:27:50] <ealfonso> jhutchins_wk m3rlin not sure why you
guys apparently had no idea what I was talking about, I did state I
was trying to preseed a debian installation and was not sure how to
get an IP address via DHCP from a non-standard network interface in
order to be able to download the preseed file from the installer. I
was able to do it by typing "auto google.com" at the boot
prompt (which should have been inaccessible at that time), this
caused
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3110[21:27:50] <ealfonso> the installer to visually prompt me to
configure the network, including selecting the interface for DHCP,
then visually prompt me for the preseed URL. I was using usb
tethering, not the standard eth0 link, so I manually had to chose a
different interface
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3115[21:29:33] <Tenkawa> fearnothing: let me know if that helpd
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3116[21:29:37] <Tenkawa> er helps
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3117[21:30:12] <m3rlin> brb
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3119[21:30:35] <ealfonso> but now apparently 'installation
step failed' on 'select and install software'
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3132[21:34:40] <fearnothing> Tenkawa: found the problem
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3134[21:34:48] <Tenkawa> fearnothing: oh ok
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3135[21:34:54] <fearnothing> the solution was to install
cifs-utils :(
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3136[21:35:00] <Tenkawa> ahh
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3137[21:35:03] <fearnothing> I'm rebuilding a box, and
forgot that package
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3139[21:35:40] <fearnothing> thanks for the effort though :)
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3140[21:35:44] <Tenkawa> it happens heheh
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3142[21:36:12] <Tenkawa> np
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3143[21:36:35] <Tenkawa> I'm just trying to work on getting
a box built over here too
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3144[21:36:56] <Tenkawa> more playing the waiting game
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3145[21:37:12] <Tenkawa> slow microsd card and a lot of updates
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3147[21:38:55] <ealfonso> looking at logs, the problem was an
"expect" package in "d-i pkgsel/include string ...
expect", which couldn't be found. not sure how to change
the option dynamically without restarting the installation
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3150[21:40:43] <jhutchins_wk> ealfonso: The installer is one of
the least used apps for most users because we tend to run it once
when we get new hardware and then just do upgraddes from there.
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3152[21:41:04] <jhutchins_wk> !preseed
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3153[21:41:05] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set
answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process,
to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The
<install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding
with a full example. See
replaced-url
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3158[21:43:48] <ealfonso> tried to use 'debconf-set'
from a shell to clear the value of pgksel/include, but it keeps
getting re-seeded
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3202[22:08:36] <simbalion> When I do an apt-cache policy
linux-image-amd64 it looks like it has not been updated yet to the
version patched for
replaced-url
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3219[22:14:50] <dondelelcaro> simbalion: do you not have a
security.debian.org sources.list entry?
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3224[22:16:23] <simbalion> dondelelcaro: I do
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3225[22:16:50] <simbalion> dondelelcaro: deb
replaced-url
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3226[22:16:56] <RoyK> simbalion: on which kernel are you running
now?
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3229[22:17:48] <simbalion> RoyK: thats irrelevant
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3230[22:17:57] <simbalion> Here is the output of apt-cache
policy, I just did an update:
replaced-url
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3235[22:18:37] <simbalion> and the patched version in the
security tracker is: 4.9.82-1+deb9u3
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3236[22:19:06] <dondelelcaro> simbalion: yes, but that's
linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64
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3238[22:19:21] <dondelelcaro> simbalion: which has a different
version than the metapackage
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3240[22:20:03] <simbalion> So you're telling me that
linux-image-amd64 is outdated
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3241[22:20:06] <dondelelcaro> simbalion: no
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3243[22:20:17] <RoyK> simbalion: it is relevant, since a few
newer kernels in the repos aren't updated as often as those
initially shipped with the distro
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3244[22:20:34] <simbalion> So linux-image-amd64 has the patch for
5715?
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3245[22:20:43] <simbalion> this is very confusing.
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3246[22:20:44] <RoyK> iirc that's a metapackage
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3247[22:20:51] <dondelelcaro> simbalion: no. linux-image-amd64 is
just a package which depends on the current version of the linux
kernel
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3248[22:21:11] <dondelelcaro> simbalion: so it only gets updated
when the name of the kernel package changes
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3249[22:21:21] <dondelelcaro> (which happens when the kernel abi
changes)
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3252[22:22:19] <dondelelcaro> simbalion: so the actual package
which contains the kernel in this case is linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64
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3254[22:22:34] <dondelelcaro> ,kernel versions
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3255[22:22:35] <judd> (kernel [--release <squeeze>]) --
Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to
one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are
treated as separate releases.
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3257[22:22:42] <dondelelcaro> ,kernel
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3258[22:22:43] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686
(4.15.4-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports:
4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae
(4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae
(4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae
(3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
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3259[22:22:44] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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3261[22:23:36] <simbalion> dondelelcaro: I understand that
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3262[22:23:39] <dondelelcaro> simbalion: OK
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3265[22:24:18] <simbalion> so if uname reports 4.9.0-6-amd64 that
includes the 5715 patch?
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3267[22:25:25] <dondelelcaro> simbalion: and you've got
4.9.82-1+deb9u3 installed, yeah.
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3268[22:25:35] * dondelelcaro can't remember if the kernel name
changed between u2 and u3
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3269[22:25:58] <greycat> u3 only has powerpc changes anyway
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3270[22:26:01] <simbalion> but if the kernel name doesnt change,
how does one know if it's patched or not? Other than running
updates every night which I am doing anyway
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3271[22:26:24] <simbalion> I really appreciate the help by the
way
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3275[22:28:07] <dondelelcaro> simbalion: I thought uname -a;
would also report the Debian version string (or at least, it does
here)
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3278[22:28:29] <simbalion> ah it sure does
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3279[22:28:32] <simbalion> I was using uname -ir
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3281[22:28:39] <simbalion> honestly I have no idea how uname
works I've never read the manpage
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3282[22:28:42] <simbalion> my fault :)
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3283[22:28:45] <dondelelcaro> no worries
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3286[22:29:53] <dondelelcaro> the kernel package *is* one of the
more complicated packages that we distribute
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3287[22:30:10] <dondelelcaro> I think only GCC does more
complicated per-architecture stuff
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3288[22:30:13] <simbalion> well the meta-package makes it so much
easier
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3290[22:30:43] <simbalion> I grew up compiling my own kernels in
bsd and slackware so this is like mana from heaven frankly.
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3291[22:30:43] <dondelelcaro> yeah; the meta-package's job
is just to make sure you've always got the most recent one (and
so you can have different kernel versions co-installed)
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3292[22:31:06] <dondelelcaro> heh; I used to compile my own
too... no time for that anymore
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3293[22:31:12] <simbalion> yep
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3295[22:31:31] <simbalion> and I've got to keep dozens of
servers updated with security patches, meltdown would have been a
real nightmare in the 1990s
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3298[22:31:59] <simbalion> you guys make this stuff fun
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3299[22:32:02] <simbalion> Thanks again
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3307[22:39:14] <commanderkeen> hello. i have dual monitors that
are currently being mirrored. i want extended not mirroring. however
when I view the output of xrandr (or arandr) it only shows one
screen. any ideas?
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3323[22:50:16] <stemid> hey anyone know why gammu command would
work to send text messages but gammu-smsd using the same config
wouldn't? using this config
replaced-url
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3329[22:57:03] <stemid> lol nvm. of course caused by pebkac. when
I was testing I accidentally added a text message to the queue
without the +46 in the number. so smsd kept trying to send that one
before the others.
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3330[22:57:09] <stemid> once that was deleted it sent all the
rest.
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