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7[00:04:52] <dott> Hi, i got a problem with my network
interfaces that i cant figure out. The mac adress keeps changing
after every reboot and sleep to a random adress. Macchanger is
disabled in if-pre-up. Does anyone has an idea what could be the
cause of this?
50[00:26:23] <impermanence> Let's say I have an instance
of some web server running on debian. Does anyone know of a way that
I could install, without running, a fresh instance of this service
somewhere else? I'd like to be able to compare the old instance
and any changes that have been made to a fresh install.
51[00:26:59] <impermanence> I'd like to be able to compare
what the running instances directory structure looks like, its
files, etc. with an untouched instance.
52[00:27:20] <omniuwo> dott: have you tried 'sudo grep -r
macchange /etc' ?
101[01:07:23] <SKiTZO> I am making my first .deb package for my
software. I am strugling with how to arrive at a sane list of
dependencies
102[01:08:04] <dth3kid> anyone have great success running debian
on a mac mini? I know it should run, just wondering if there are any
pitfalls I should be aware of.
103[01:08:05] <SKiTZO> I have used the output of objdump to
figure out what libs are referenced from my executable, but how do I
translate that into actual package names without manually going over
each and every one? The list is substantial
117[01:21:23] <SKiTZO> any shortcuts or tips? any dependencies I
don't need to mention because they are part of base install?
118[01:22:07] <aypea[3]> SKiTZO: maybe. it may not be the best
soltuion but it's one I know of. a for loop (or a while loop)
will save you a lot of hassle.
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120[01:22:17] <aypea[3]> anything marked essential doesn't
need to go in afaik
152[02:12:25] <iresf> hi everyone i need your help
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154[02:13:26] <mutante> !ask
155[02:13:26] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
156[02:14:25] <iresf> i have installed debian 9 on my laptop
with radeon R5 graphic card and with KDE desktop but kwin_x11 use
100 % cpu
259[02:40:43] <geri> mutante: ok delted some stuff
260[02:41:22] <geri> what is udev and tmpfs?
261[02:41:38] <geri> mounted to /dev and /run
262[02:41:52] <somiaj> tmpfs is a file system in your memory,
inteneded to be a tempary file system
263[02:42:15] <somiaj> udev is the (now systemd) tool that
dynamically adds and removes devices and their nodes from /dev
264[02:42:18] <geri> to share memory accross apps?
265[02:42:23] <somiaj> no, for speed
266[02:42:53] <somiaj> it is a file system just like any other,
but it intended for files that only need to be around while the
system is running, once you shut the systemdown all data in a tmpfs
file system is lost.
267[02:42:55] <geri> like a filesystem but just for apps
268[02:43:24] <Sveta> hi! i have problems with a website. its
cgi script runs into permissions issues creating a file. yet `sudo
su -c 'touch /path/to/the/file'
replaced-url
269[02:43:25] <geri> stack or heap?
270[02:43:59] <somiaj> Sveta: sudo su -s /bin/bash --
replaced-url
287[02:50:26] <Wammy> Hope I can get some help, I've been
searching for some time and I haven't found anything concrete.
I just 'apt-get dist-upgrade'd on one of my servers and
grub started complaining: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: warning: the
device.map entry `hd0,msdos1' is invalid. Ignoring it. Please
correct or delete your device.map.
288[02:51:07] <Wammy> device.map has two entries, the one it
says is invalid is: (hd0,msdos1) /dev/mapper/vda1
289[02:51:16] <Wammy> checked the path and it doesnt exist
/dev/mapper/vda1
307[02:56:43] <Wammy> only stuff that comes up is from
/boot/grub/grub.cfg
308[02:56:54] <aypea[3]> nothing in /etc ?
309[02:57:06] <Sveta> somiaj: set the 'group'
permission but on all these folders to 'replaced-url
310[02:57:28] <Wammy> I just tried dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
(basically just went through it) and I am getting this:
311[02:57:39] <Wammy> aypea[3]: nope
312[02:57:54] <Wammy> grub-install: warning: File system
`ext2' doesn't support embedding. grub-install: warning:
Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup
by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their
use is discouraged..
313[02:58:15] <aypea[3]> you're using ext2?
314[02:58:26] <Wammy> not as far as I know
315[02:58:47] <somiaj> Sveta: I don't quite follow what
your actual isue is. Could it be the lockfile is a deadlink or
something?
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318[02:59:06] <aypea[3]> wammy: do a file -Ls on the device that
holds /bopot
319[02:59:06] <Sveta> somiaj: the website is trying to create
the lockfile
320[02:59:09] <aypea[3]> wammy: do a file -Ls on the device that
holds /boot
321[02:59:58] <Wammy> as in file -Ls /dev/sda ?
322[02:59:59] <Sveta> somiaj: for some god knows what reason the
site install instructions suggested installing its settings in ~, so
now I am tasked with setting up adequate permissions for the
webserver to be able to write into that directory
323[03:00:00] <somiaj> Sveta: well the information you showed,
the only user who can write to that directory is sveta, if some
other use is trying to write it won't work. Seeting the group
to
replaced-url
374[03:10:35] <Wammy> should there be a grub-2common?
375[03:10:42] <somiaj> have you checked that your lvm is
correctly setup, it is actilng like there hsould be another memeober
of your lvm -- but I don't know lvms that well, just seems you
are looking at grub more than the lvm (or did I totally miss
something)?
379[03:11:33] <Wammy> somiaj: that might be possible, but
I've no clue how to check?
380[03:11:52] <somiaj> Wammy: I don't use lvm, so I have no
experience with it. I just use plain old partition tables.
381[03:12:13] <somiaj> but it seems the issue is more with your
lvm than grub, grub is just complaing about it. Now I don't
know what the actual issue is though.
382[03:12:50] <Wammy> how would I verify if this has LVM?
392[03:15:28] <aypea[3]> dunno. kinda at a loss. only thing I
can really think of is that result from file on /dev/sda1 should not
be the same as for /dev/sda
411[03:20:23] <somiaj> Wammy: I'm just catching up on what
you have done, sorry if this is repeate. When you did
dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, what did you choose as the device to
isntall grub on?
412[03:20:35] <Wammy> I left what was selected before
413[03:20:46] <Wammy> ./dev/sda and /dev/sda1
414[03:21:44] <somiaj> the first is usually where you want to
install grub.
415[03:21:53] <Wammy> yup.
416[03:22:12] <Wammy> I understand that. just wanted to see if
that re-configured whatever is off
417[03:22:22] <somiaj> I do have the random thought of using
something like this
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418[03:22:23] <Wammy> I can go through again and just select
/dev/sda
424[03:26:40] <somiaj> You should be able to just run
'grub-install /dev/sda' and not need to have debconf do
that. And after you ran update-grub that last time you are still
getting this partition (hd0,msdos1), despite it not being in
device.map anymore?
425[03:27:49] <Wammy> would I still need to restore the windows
mbr before running grub-install again?
426[03:28:18] <Wammy> just tried, grub-install... update-grub,
grub.cfg still has set root (hd0,msdos1)
427[03:28:37] <Wammy> I can try with install-mbr first if you
think that'll give a different result
428[03:29:03] <aypea[3]> when you ran grub-install, what arg did
you give it?
429[03:29:16] <Wammy> grub-install /dev/sda
430[03:29:30] <aypea[3]> cos I just realised that means first
hardrive, first msdos partition, which is correct for you
431[03:29:40] <Wammy> ok
432[03:29:46] <Wammy> grub-emu fails to 'boot'
433[03:29:49] <Wammy> :-/
434[03:29:53] <Wammy> or is my device map incorrect?
435[03:29:55] <somiaj> Wammy: the mbr thing will only fix any
issues with 'grub-install /dev/sda', as to why you have
this extra device, that is another issue.
436[03:30:23] <somiaj> s/will/could/
437[03:30:46] <Wammy> grub-mkdevicemap only creates 1 device
(hd0)
438[03:31:22] <Wammy> which is mapped to /dev/disk/by-id/.....
439[03:31:36] <aypea[3]> yup. but (hd0,msdos1) is a partition
not a device specification
440[03:31:50] <Wammy> ok
441[03:32:25] <somiaj> and provided your device.map has (hd0)
correctly in it, it means that (hd0,msdos1) is the first partition,
so if the device map points to /dev/sda, then /dev/sda1 is
(hd0,msdos1)
461[03:40:02] <Wammy> somiaj: looks like it came back online....
462[03:40:59] <somiaj> well that is a good sign
463[03:41:18] <aypea[3]> things returning from the great beyond
is a good thing :)
464[03:42:21] <Wammy> thanks for the help guys
465[03:42:26] <Wammy> much appreciated
466[03:43:13] <Sveta> i'd like all files within a
particular directory to belong to a particular group, and be
writable (and directories executable) by that group. how is this
achieved best?
480[03:52:17] <somiaj> Sveta: this is a much more difficult
problem (since there are lots of ways files can be created), but
setting up a umask and setgid bit will help with this. umaks of 002
will make all files 775 by default, and the setgid bit will make
newly created files adopt the group of the directory.
554[04:45:59] <hidari> awal1: read the process of the script.
After reading DigitalOcean site, looking at the code in that script
helped me understand the rest of it.
555[04:46:11] <hidari> seeing the code at times is easier to
understand
573[05:12:05] <vahe> good day, how to connect USB to Android
galaxy MTP? I installed libmtp* mtp-tools jmtpfs mtpfs the system
displays the phone but doesn't work (xfce thunar)
597[05:35:45] <awal1> then my phone gets connected via usb cable
and automatically detected by my file manager (pcmanfc or thunar)
598[05:35:53] <vahe> awal1: thank you very much, I'll try
599[05:36:04] <somiaj> I personally use adb to get files on/off
my andriod. I find it much faster than MTP
600[05:36:25] <vahe> adb?
601[05:37:01] <vahe> awal1: what do you say about the other
problems?
602[05:37:06] <vahe> execute
603[05:37:11] <awal1> vale, check if gMTP if you wanta gui for
mtp transfer stuff
604[05:37:15] <somiaj> andriod debug bridge. You need to turn on
developer mode, but it gives you direct access to the files on the
device (well ones you can access without root), and you can transfer
at full usb speeds. I find mtp dreadfully slow.
605[05:38:03] <vahe> somiaj: ok thanks also try
606[05:38:19] <somiaj> but works you can basicaly adb pull and
adb push to get files on and off (you do have to learn the directory
stucture of your device though)
608[05:38:50] <awal1> vahe, not sure about your other issues. I
am not a phone/pictures7facebook stuff oriented. I just use my phone
for call, almost :D
609[05:39:25] <awal1> sometimes make pictures/videos so I
transfer to my debian system; that is all :P
610[05:40:24] <vahe> to be honest I have my phone N900 it's
for free, I download movies from torrents and watch movies ) does
not connect even wiifi
611[05:41:54] <vahe> I think the phone not only for calls, you
can use it for other purposes, it is important what kind of phone,
for example my N900 I use pidgin+otr + firefox
612[05:41:57] <vahe> :P
613[05:42:33] <awal1> not aware about phone stuff not bcoz I am
not up-to-date with new technologies, I am surely; but that is just
bcoz I am not in/on/ don't wanna be part of "life
mediatization" business
614[05:42:42] <vahe> I repeat, what could help me, can't
run from home-icecat for example , shows that there is no execute
replaced-url
620[05:44:08] <awal1> vahe, your goal is: connect your phone
device to you debian machine via usb cable and transfer stuff from
phone to computer and vice versa?
621[05:44:26] <awal1> not sure if that is what you want finally
622[05:45:12] <vahe> it is clear , I'm more interested in
the startup problem icecat
623[05:45:16] <vahe> execute
624[05:46:07] <awal1> me have to google what the guy means by
startup execute icecat
625[05:46:48] <vahe> this is just an example.
626[05:47:06] <vahe> I have not start nothing if necessary
execute
653[06:01:06] <vahe> hah, just deleted libmtp*and reinstalled
gvfs-backends and it worked
654[06:01:29] <vahe> thank you all
655[06:02:56] <awal1> !next
656[06:02:57] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
657[06:04:48] <somiaj> awal1: you could do stuff like that, but
be careful. I tend to only use it to copy pictures from my phone,
and on my system it is way faster than MTP. So I don't actually
mess with the files on the phone exceput throught he phones
interface.
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674[06:14:05] <awal1> somiaj, I know one can enabled root access
for android device, then remove stuff like under gnu/linux machine,
but I haven't checked seriously that yet; so not sure about
details
757[07:40:11] <likcoras> I'm wondering whether I should go
through the process of installing go1.9 manually or whether I should
just wait for it to make it into backports.
812[08:30:24] <n_blownapart> hello I get a message
'/dev/sr0 is already mounted on /media/current_dvd. my vlc
player will flash a movie title but then shut off. how to be sure
the drive is mounted properly on debian stretch? thanks
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888[09:42:05] <misty5> pinging my server yields ping response..
but just nmapping it says "not responding to pings.. host
down". That makes no sense. Any idea what's going on here?
972[10:50:29] <phre4k> it's sadly only in oldstable
973[10:50:56] <petn-randall> phre4k: Oh, php5 is not available
in stretch, yes. You'll have to install jessie if you want
php5. jessie is still supported.
978[10:51:55] <petn-randall> phre4k: One other way would be to
do a local install by hand.
979[10:52:08] <phre4k> petn-randall: 3rd party repos was what I
hoped for :'D
980[10:52:42] <toolz> hi, I am trying to install debian 9 latest
on 2 ssds, raid software, sdi/sdj, I am creating the raid device md0
and then I created lvm, one volume group and 2 lvms, for root /
mounted and swap, the installation fails when I try to install grub
on the first disk or when entering manually /dev/vg0/root or
anything else
981[10:53:08] <petn-randall> !deb.sury.org
982[10:53:08] <dpkg> Short instructions for sury's php deb
builds can be found at
replaced-url
983[10:53:24] <petn-randall> phre4k: ^^^ I believe this is an
unofficial repo by the PHP maintainer of Debian.
984[10:53:57] <petn-randall> toolz: Does the system have BIOS or
UEFI?
985[10:54:00] <phre4k> the question is: do I trust him
986[10:54:20] <phre4k> er, I mean, is it really him
987[10:54:48] <toolz> petn-randall: both but we use bios
988[10:54:57] <phre4k> I think jessie is the sane option here,
this will be a production server
989[10:54:59] <petn-randall> phre4k: You *could* check if the
apt key is cross-signed by his DD key.
990[10:55:37] <pingfloyd> I wouldn't recommend 3rd party
repos either
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992[10:56:14] <petn-randall> !jessie-lts
993[10:56:14] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8
"jessie" from the Debian Security Team should end around
2018-05. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive
additional long term support (<LTS>) via
<jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime
total. See
replaced-url
994[10:56:33] <pingfloyd> phre4k: do you know his fingerprint?
995[10:56:52] <petn-randall> phre4k: LTS for jessie should still
be around a bit. ^^^ Enough time to upgrade your apps to php7 and
move to stretch or buster by then.
1007[11:02:35] <petn-randall> toolz: Have you partitioned the
disks or did you create a RAID directly on the blank disks?
1008[11:02:56] <toolz> petn-randall: raid directly on the disks
1009[11:03:41] <petn-randall> toolz: Ah, then grub has no space
to write itself in the MBR. You need to partition those devices so
grub can write itself onto the beginning.
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1011[11:03:52] <toolz> ok, got it, trying now
1012[11:04:06] <babilen> phre4k: My recommendation would be to
use jessie while you work on getting the codebase in shape for PHP7.
We've seen significant increases in performance after the
transition in most deployments, so you might want to do that sooner
rather than later
1013[11:05:31] <phre4k> babilen: well I'm surely not going
to get the codebase of Magento to PHP7
1014[11:05:55] <babilen> They should in that case
1015[11:06:11] <babilen> Staying on PHP5 isn't really a
viable plan
1032[11:17:31] <petn-randall> toolz: You need to wipe the old
mdraid signatures from the disk, otherwise you've got a mess
when the partitions and raid elements overlap.
1055[11:35:40] <vlt> Hello. What possible reasons are there that
since a few minutes I can't connect from any machine in network
A to host B (Debian) in another network but still from A to any host
C that I tried (and even to a host in the same network as B) and
from there to host B? I tried SSH, HTTP and ICMP. The latter gave me
this strange response pattern:
replaced-url
1058[11:36:27] <toolz> petn-randall: its weird, it is still not
working.. I mean I cannot even create more partitions, for example
md0p1 md0p2, if I want, it just created one device md0 with one
partiotion with the entire size, is this normal?
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1091[12:06:11] <toolz> petn-randall: thats what I am doing, I now
booted in rescue, wiped the disks and created them as dos, created 2
partitions on them as primary and used as raid, re-created the raid
md0 and now waiting till the install goes on so I can see if grub
will now install.
1092[12:06:23] <dcpc007> i need to capture the last line (with
the total size of the folder)
1093[12:06:44] <toolz> petn-randall: disks were formatted as gpt
before, could that affect?
1102[12:09:41] <dcpc007> this return me "spawn ncdu -f
...."
1103[12:09:46] <petn-randall> funabashi: No. What problem are you
trying to solve?
1104[12:09:55] <dcpc007> the text as if it doesn't execute
the line
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1106[12:10:18] <toolz> petn-randall: just asking, when the grub
asks me to install on a hard disk, should I choose the first disk or
should I enter /dev/pve/root manually? to install it on the raid
device?
1107[12:10:20] <funabashi> pentiumone133: i want to see what
acitivty a user has on my server
1108[12:10:44] <toolz> petn-randall: on the raid device I created
1 vg and 2lvms for root and swap.
1109[12:11:19] <funabashi> petn-randall: he did history -c so i
cant see now :P
1111[12:12:56] <petn-randall> toolz: You want to install grub on
the disks. It doesn't make sense to install to the raid device
because your bios knows nothing about it to hand off booting to.
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1113[12:13:13] <petn-randall> funabashi: If you don't trust
them, don't let them on your server.
1128[12:16:08] <petn-randall> funabashi: If you want to track
users on your system, you need to set up something like selinux or
some other tool to report every execution.
1136[12:20:59] <petn-randall> toolz: I haven't installed in
a while, but at some point you can select where to install it to,
then you just select both disks.
1137[12:21:40] <toolz> petn-randall: you cant select both disks
:D it worked on first one, I will install it afterwards from the
command line
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1162[12:42:44] <ang310> hi there...one question: to change ls
colours I put a theme in .dir_colors and then I have echo 'eval
$(dircolors ~/.dir_colors)' >> ~/.bashrc
1196[13:06:27] <fred1807> I just installed avahi daemon, and
edited /etc/hostname to the name I want to reach via
myhostname.local . Question is, should I edit any line at
/etc/hosts? should I change: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain
localhost to 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain myhsotname ? I found
this on a guide, but I guess I should just leave 127.0.0.1
localhost.localdomain localhost ??
1197[13:06:39] <grandfso> Hi, can I you run seperate web service
on multiple subdomains, each subdomain mapped to different IP, from
one Server?
1214[13:16:08] <grandfso> I mean not all will have different
IP's, I generalized because as of now I have no cloue how to
serve anything from another IP :)
1221[13:17:49] <Iridos> grandfso, you would need to set up
networking of the machine up to have all those IPs … and that
only works if all those IPs are on your subnet
1228[13:19:13] <Iridos> Emil, should be
/usr/share/man/man1/find.1.gz
1229[13:19:36] <grandfso> gpunk: I don't use Apache (nor any
webserver) as of now. Possibly Iridos' suggestion on networking
setup is the way to go ?
1230[13:20:14] <Iridos> it's both… the linke gpunk
linkes also says "The server has two IP addresses" for the
example with virtualhosts on different ip addresses
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1286[13:58:28] <samkod> is anyone out there having an issue with
thunderbird opening links in chromium on stretch? this has been
happening now for about 2 months and I can't find anything
recent on the net regarding this
1287[13:58:53] <samkod> I've tried purging both chromium and
thunderbird, reinstalling and creating new profiles and nothing
seems to work
1288[13:58:54] <petn-randall> samkod: What is the issue exactly?
1289[13:59:14] <petn-randall> samkod: It's *not* opening the
links, or it's opening them in chromium instead of something
else?
1291[14:00:00] <samkod> so when i click a link in thunderbird it
never opens it at all. it should open it in chromium. when i run tb
from the terminal and click a link i get the the following error:
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1295[14:02:37] <petn-randall> samkod: I'm only aware of such
an issue in *testing*, where it's caused by a too strict
apparmor profile. There apparmor is enabled by default. Are you
using apparmor by chance?
1323[14:17:55] <hwdyki> my monitor would not display anything
when it's turned on after the computer boots. the monitor does
not sense any HDMI signal coming in.
1324[14:18:26] <hwdyki> how can i avoid this? i'm using this
box as a kodibox running deb9.
1328[14:20:31] <toolz> petn-randall: do you have any idea why is
the system not partitioning the sizes I want? For example I wanted
my swap 32GB and during installation I partitioned lvms as 32768M
swap, and the rest as root. But my swap is 30.5G and the rest root
1388[14:57:42] <toolz> this is weird that the system actually
showing GiB instead of GB, since the installer configures in MB and
GB.. :/
1389[14:58:05] <kidnextdoor> guys whats wrong with my codeblocks
in debian
1390[14:58:09] <kidnextdoor> ??
1391[14:58:17] <kidnextdoor> is completely bugged
1392[14:58:25] <petn-randall> !context
1393[14:58:25] <dpkg> Try to give enough context! For example,
let us know which command/program you are running, what you
expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as
possible. If your command produced output, share the complete
command (with all parameters!) and its output on
replaced-url
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the most interesting network tech in the world...)
1395[14:58:33] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: ^^^
1396[14:58:57] <kidnextdoor> seriously
1397[14:59:01] <kidnextdoor> i need this
1398[14:59:10] <kidnextdoor> change ide?
1399[14:59:11] <toolz> petn-randall: why is the system showing
GiB instead of GB?! As it did till now? I have no idea, just
asking... might look like a stupid question but.. :)
1400[14:59:31] <kidnextdoor> i like codeblocks dudes, to when
some update or something?
1401[14:59:54] <SKiTZO> GiB is the correct name for Gibi bytes,
which is equal to 1024^3
1402[15:00:00] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: Start by adding
context, nobody knows what you're talking about.
1403[15:00:20] <kidnextdoor> codeblocks seems to be the only
piece of software completely meesed up in my debian installation
1404[15:00:23] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
1405[15:00:23] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
1406[15:00:26] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: ^^^
1407[15:00:27] <SKiTZO> GB is the correct name for giga bytes
wich is equal to 1000^3 bytes
1408[15:00:42] <kidnextdoor> they have version 17, inst stable
17?
1409[15:01:05] <toolz> SKiTZO: I saw what it is, but why are my
partitions in GiB and not in GB anymore in debian 9 as they were all
the time before? What made this change?
1411[15:01:45] <SKiTZO> Because everyone remotely interrested in
computers like GiB better than GB, so everyone is moving towards
showing that instead
1412[15:02:15] <SKiTZO> before GiB was invented GB could mean
both, creating confusion
1413[15:02:48] <petn-randall> toolz: Most HDD manufacturers use
10^6 for mega-, because then the numbers look bigger. Most
programmers think this is stupid and tend to use 2^20 as mega-,
however to prevent confusion many HDD-related tools still use the
10^6, though it doesn't really help.
1414[15:03:15] <SKiTZO> GiB was invented by EEE. It is a standard
that is slowly but steadily being adopted
1416[15:03:33] <toolz> I see, whatever, I dont mind :)
1417[15:04:04] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: You're still
failing at describing your problem. What problem are you seeing with
codeblocks from Debian stable?
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1419[15:05:08] <kidnextdoor> sometimes, when opening a file or
project inside codeblocks, the entire file system disapears i cant
select files neither see folders, other times i create a new file
and i cant type, its blank, cant select nothing inside it
1425[15:05:56] <kidnextdoor> the second time i close a project
inside codeblocks, the entire program closes, not only the project
1426[15:06:15] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: Can you paste the
output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy
codeblocks' to
replaced-url
1427[15:06:42] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: Also, please run the
program from the commandline, get it to crash, and paste all the
output to that paste site, too.
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1429[15:07:19] <kidnextdoor> oh man, this was not what i came
here to do
1430[15:07:45] <petn-randall> kidnextdoor: Well, if you
didn't come here for help, you joined the wrong channel.
1431[15:07:52] <kidnextdoor> is this those kinda of licenses you
must help by force?
1468[15:43:50] <JohnnyTheSmith> 3:42:23 PM - JohnnyTheSmith: Okay
I try some details although you guys don't wanna help in the
first place. Using a yubikey I log in to my session 2fa. I did this
using with the yubikey library and pamd. Now I want my session to
lock every time I remove the yubikey. Writing a rule
85.yubikey.rules with the following content:
SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="remove",
ENV{ID_VENDOR_ID}="1050",
ENV{ID_MODEL_ID}="0407",
ENV{ID_SERIAL_SHORT}="omitted", RUN+
1469[15:43:50] <JohnnyTheSmith> /tmp/test". Triggering this
1470[15:43:50] <JohnnyTheSmith> 3:42:23 PM - JohnnyTheSmith:
command in root context results in a test getting written to
/tmp/test (following with tail -f) but removing the yubikey
doesn't write anything into the file. Testing with udevadm test
--action=remove /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1 results in (just an
exerpt): RUN 'echo test >> /tmp/test' /etc/udev
[…] so actually it should execute but it doesn't
1472[15:44:07] <JohnnyTheSmith> ignore the first sentence. just a
paste from another channel
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1474[15:44:44] <petn-randall> !crosspost
1475[15:44:44] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places
at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums)
is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone
else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we
are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've
already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer
and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
1477[15:45:22] <petn-randall> JohnnyTheSmith: You might want to
wait a bit before others respond in the other channel, otherwise
you'll have a mess when both channels try to support you with
your problem but have different approaches.
1492[15:51:36] <petn-randall> JohnnyTheSmith: In that case
it's offtopic in here, because Kali does things differently
than Debian does. You might also tell them that they should support
their own users instead of sending them away.
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1494[15:51:40] <JohnnyTheSmith> And they tell me it's not a
kali related issue
1495[15:52:18] <JohnnyTheSmith> You know what? You guys
(including them in #kali-linux) are just a bunch of fucking morons
all together.
1499[15:53:10] <petn-randall> JohnnyTheSmith: I've told you
to take your issue in their support channel. If the Kali support
channel doesn't want to support *their* users, you might want
to consider using a distro that does.
1500[15:54:02] <petn-randall> JohnnyTheSmith: I can only say that
Kali is based off some snapshot of Debian testing, so those package
versions don't even *exist* in Debian anymore. So it would only
be frustrating for everyone to attempt supporting you in here.
1501[15:54:03] <shtrb> JohnnyTheSmith, move to debian and you
could get support here
1513[16:00:34] <seiburii> Any help appreciated - I currently have
a debian jessie armhf rootfs which can boot on tablet device which
has been provided on xda. I am attempting to mimic this in creating
a ubuntu armhf rootfs which can be natively booted.
1514[16:00:54] <seiburii> is it possible to copy kernel and
modules between debian and ubuntu?
1515[16:01:29] <petn-randall> seiburii: Not really, they use
different versions of things, and sometimes different tools.
1526[16:09:35] <seiburii> shtrb - thanks for the advice. I was
wondeing then how to fully recreate this rootfs found on xda, and
the creator provided steps on how to compile the kernel
(ElementalX5). However I get an error message when attempting to do
so.
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1530[16:11:04] <shtrb> Some debian mirrors already have armhf (so
you will have everything ready for you)
1531[16:11:19] <fasdfd> Why is there tracking enabled in firefox
on debian? I see loads of connections to trackers in background
behind-the-scene.
1532[16:11:27] <fasdfd> Isn't this against FOSS?
1533[16:11:42] <shtrb> fasdfd, open a bug
1534[16:11:57] <shtrb> it's is not against FOSS , but it is
against Privacy
1535[16:12:01] <petn-randall> fasdfd: FOSS says nothing about
tracking. Have you enabled it in the settings?
1536[16:12:19] <busch> Using tcpdump for outgoing network
packets, is it "guaranteed" that the packets I see are
leaving the physical network interface or could the be an ACL,
firewall rule etc. that could be "behind" my tcpdump?
1590[16:40:44] <DammitJim> so, I see this for my video card (I
want to know what kind of PCI slot it's using: 01:00.0 VGA
compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G96 [GeForce GT 120] (rev
a1)
1600[16:43:50] <fakefur> judd, yes thanks but any idea WHEN it
will make it into stretch?
1601[16:43:52] <petn-randall> fakefur: What exactly stopped
working? Letencrypt has disabled some auth methods.
1602[16:44:04] <DammitJim> petn-randall, I want to know what slow
I have available to add a card (without opening the server)
1603[16:44:09] <fakefur> petn-randall, yes and when i try to add
a cert for a new site i get an error
1604[16:44:21] <fakefur> and the fix is to upgrade certbot
1605[16:44:30] <fakefur> but the new version isn't in
stretch yet
1606[16:44:41] <DammitJim> I know I have an NVIDIA card and I
want to use what slot it is using. That could tell me what other
slots are available and then I can order a USB3 card if the slow
supports the speed
1607[16:44:41] <fakefur> so i was asking if anyone knew when that
might happen
1608[16:45:12] <petn-randall> fakefur: *what* error? I'm
using certbot from stable fine.
1609[16:45:52] <fakefur> Client with the currently selected
authenticator does not support any combination of challenges that
will satisfy the CA.
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1630[16:49:31] <tw> Anybody using sierra wireless EM7455 or
MC7455 with debian? From what I can tell, all of the kernel support
is there, but the userland might be iffy.
1661[17:05:34] <alkisg> DammitJim: googling for Dell 0TP406 shows
that it has a lot of slots, so if you're only using one, it has
a lot of others free. Not very related to debian though, maybe you
could ask also in #hardware.
1665[17:06:17] <DammitJim> alkisg, the reason I was asking on
Debian is because I wanted to know if there was a command to see
what cards were connected to what PCI slot
1666[17:06:48] <alkisg> DammitJim: sure; but that won't tell
how how many slots are free, or are physically exposed to the board
1667[17:07:02] <DammitJim> oh ok
1668[17:07:06] <DammitJim> that's all I was asking
1669[17:07:09] <alkisg> So you can see the output of lspci, but
it won't help you with the problem
1670[17:07:17] <DammitJim> thanks!
1671[17:07:21] <alkisg> dmidecode got you the board name; the
rest isn't related to the OS...
1716[17:24:59] <greycat> The LEAST important things to back up
are /bin and /sbin because those are just files that come from
packages that will be there when you reinstall the OS.
1717[17:25:13] <Iridos> dpkg, things to backup
1718[17:25:13] <dpkg> Some things you should back up include:
/etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own
purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you
don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt*
/var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/replaced-url
1719[17:25:35] <Iridos> mmh
1720[17:25:55] <user0> i need /var
1721[17:26:00] <user0> but not /var/run
1722[17:26:23] <greycat> Are you backing up onto very small
media? Is this why you're being so picky?
1723[17:26:23] <alkisg> /var/run/ is just a symlink, it
doesn't take up space
1724[17:26:44] <user0> I'm backing up to the same disk as
the system
1732[17:28:47] <greycat> OK, as long as you realize that this
only protects you from a limited subset of human actions, and NOT
from hardware failures.
1735[17:29:25] <greycat> Count how many file systems you have
that you want to back up, and how big they are. Create an equal
number of backup versions of those same file systems, the same
sizes. Set up a cron job to rsync them all.
1744[17:30:50] <brw> you just need a mirrored copy of the data?
1745[17:30:53] <greycat> it's a remote server of some kind?
no physical access?
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1747[17:31:05] <brw> what's the end game with the
"backup" ?
1748[17:31:10] <user0> greycat: remoteserver yes
1749[17:31:18] <JustASlacker> a local remote
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1751[17:31:40] <JustASlacker> as opposed to a remote local
1752[17:31:50] * JustASlacker hides
1753[17:32:37] <user0> If dpkg crash i want to restore everythink
1754[17:32:47] <greycat> wut
1755[17:32:54] <user0> I installed proxmox and it makes my dpkg
crashing
1756[17:33:00] <greycat> !proxmox
1757[17:33:01] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is
a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a
virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not
supported in #debian. There's an unofficial
proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see
##replaced-url
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1759[17:33:07] <greycat> Bye!
1760[17:33:45] <user0> i don't want to install proxmox on a
virtual server for now
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1762[17:34:32] <user0> Well thank you for help i will play with
tar to create my backup bye.
1798[17:43:57] <tw> hopefully you don't have too many of
that file. Eventually you will hit the arg limit and it will fork a
second copy so summary will break.
1853[18:04:09] <mpo> Do you guys have a recommendation for usable
speech-to-text software? There seems to be plenty software related
to the search term "speech"
1860[18:07:57] <tw> For dictation, I don't think
there's a usable implementation at this time.
1861[18:08:20] <fasdfd> <petn-randall> I didn't enable
tracking in the settings, what it takes is enabling suggestions on
the startpage, it bypasses umatrix, even with them disabled it sends
data to mozilla tracking service. It's the default debian esr
version.
1862[18:08:50] <tw> for developers of voice command apps,
cmusphinx is pretty easy to use.
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1876[18:17:14] <mpo> tw, thanks for your input. I was actually
looking for a tool for dictation. I'll either have to type all
the words, or I'll have to publish a podcast
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1878[18:18:17] <tw> mpo: there might be some options using chrome
apps.
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1974[19:18:59] <dpkg> To disable the bell: "xset b off"
in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason,
bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o
vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on
partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell.
See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell
bug>.
2001[19:27:20] <netvor_> I have q about packaging: I have source
pkg A, producinv A1 and A2 "binary" packages, where A1
Depends: on A2. I want to make sure they are always under the same
version. can I do that?
2002[19:28:09] <netvor_> under rpm I would use Requires: A2 ==
%{version}, but is there such macro system in debian/control?
2007[19:29:30] <fasdfd> <petn-randall>, as soon as I
enabled suggestions there were dozens of requests to all kinds of
trackers and no single suggestion appeared, and all that happened
even though I block all these trackers with ublock and only allow
document root in umatrix. Mozilla is still the best option for
privacy, but someone should either make a good doc on how to privacy
tweak it or they should do it themselves. Or debian should do it and
ship that.
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2082[20:11:36] <ryouma> i have /boot and /root on sdb. i have
another drive, sda, which i want to be TOTALLY untouched by any
upgrade. what are the chances that upgrading from jessie to stretch
will change mbr or anything else on sda? can i prevent this?
2101[20:28:17] <somiaj> I don't think the upgrade scripts
run grub-install, only update-grub. So I doubt you need to do
anything, though as alkisg mentioned you could tell debconf not to
install grub, but I don't think that affects upgrade (only
intsall)
2106[20:32:17] <ryouma> alkisg: i have installed grub on sda,
because the entire point of doing so is to have a backup of jessie
in case the upgrade goes wrong. but if the upgrade screws up the mbr
on sda, then both drives are broken.
2107[20:32:51] <ryouma> somiaj: update-grub only changes the
running disk are you saying?
2117[20:34:47] <ryouma> somiaj: and the /boot that it updates
will only be the drive that i upfated?
2118[20:34:49] <alkisg> ryouma: OK, then it doesn't make
sense to install the same grub to both MBRs
2119[20:35:07] <somiaj> ryouma: correct, it will update
/boot/grub that is currently mounted.
2120[20:35:22] <alkisg> ryouma: each grub should be installed to
its own MBR, e.g. the grub of sdb should go to sdb and the grub copy
of sda to sda (using dpkg-reconfigure)
2121[20:35:42] <ryouma> right. but i have foudn that grub often
does, and smoetimes on an upgrade. i have even had a case where grub
booted from one disk and tehn transferred me to the other disk. :/.
this could be user error but i want to prevent all errors.
2122[20:35:52] <alkisg> Otherwise if sdb fails, the sda grub will
be trying to load its modules from sdb
2125[20:36:27] <alkisg> One good way to test is: unmount
/dev/sda*, and run sudo kvm -m 1024 /dev/sda, andsee if it boots in
that VM
2126[20:37:01] <ryouma> i think there is something misleading in
the user text for dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc or one of those grub
tools. it implies that the user should want to install to all of the
drives. but it only makes sense typically to install to only one.
2127[20:37:02] <ryouma> iirc
2128[20:37:29] <alkisg> I don't find it misleading
2129[20:37:46] <alkisg> There are cases you only want to install
to one mbr, and cases where you want to install to all of them
2130[20:38:07] <ryouma> you are likely more advanced than i am
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2132[20:38:30] <ryouma> 12:36 <alkisg> One good way to test
is: unmount /dev/sda*, and run sudo kvm -m 1024 /dev/sda, andsee if
it boots in that VM -- what does this do?
2133[20:38:46] <alkisg> Do you know what a virtual machine is?
E.g. kvm?
2134[20:39:24] <ryouma> yes but never used kvm because it did not
meet my accessibility needs
2135[20:39:37] <alkisg> What are you using? Virtualbox?
2137[20:40:08] <ryouma> i have used it a few times, but setting
it up to have decent fonts and to do what i wanted was not trivial
and i forget each ttime what i need to do to use it correctly
2138[20:40:21] <alkisg> Anyway, this basically means "put my
sda disk to a virtual machine with 1 GB ram and try to boot it"
2139[20:40:47] <ryouma> and it won't harm the disk?
2140[20:40:47] <alkisg> So that VM then only sees the first disk,
and you'll know if it relies on sdb (which won't be
accessible from the vm) or not
2148[20:42:28] <ryouma> i wonder then if i should just do my real
upgrade on sdb using that?
2149[20:42:52] <alkisg> If you want, pastebin both your
/boot/grub/grub.cfg's, they'll tell us a few things more
about your setup, if it has issues or not
2162[20:46:04] <ryouma> hmm my usb drive has taken over sda for
some reason, so it's really sdb vs. sdc
2163[20:46:47] <somiaj> henec you should use uuids and not
/dev/sdb when doing things, those are assigned in order of
detection, and having a usb pluged in sometimes gets detected before
the other drives.
2174[20:52:34] <alkisg> ryouma: note that if you put the sdc grub
to the sdb MBR, it will still boot from the wrong disk, i.e. it
won't be able to boot if you remove sdc
2175[20:52:56] <ryouma> alkisg: yeah i think that is what i am
afraid of
2178[20:53:50] <alkisg> The correct way to maintain grub there,
is to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc while booted first in sdb
and then in sdc, and select only their respective MBRs each time.
Only one MBR per grub.
2179[20:54:08] <alkisg> Either from the physical host, or from
KVM, it doesn't matter
2181[20:55:02] <ryouma> hmm, so i could do this before the
upgrade and there will be magical debconf stuff that i do not
understand that will possibly make the upgrade operation (or future
flailing around with grub and initramfs) safer?
2182[20:55:24] <alkisg> The safer part is: if the upgrade totally
ruins everything, the other disk still boots,
2183[20:55:37] <alkisg> while now, you're in doubt, maybe
it'll try to load the other grub/linux and it won't boot
2188[20:56:33] <somiaj> ryouma: you could also just run
grub-install /dev/sdX to install grub to the desired mbr, you
don't have to use dpkg-reconfigure.
2189[20:57:23] <ryouma> what is the difference?
2190[20:57:43] <ryouma> i use grub-isntall when i create the sda
boot and root
2191[20:57:45] <alkisg> dpkg-reconfigure remembers the answer for
later runs of grub.postinst, while grub-install doesn't
remember what you want :)
2193[20:58:07] <ryouma> yeah the remembering is what disturbs me
2194[20:58:22] <alkisg> Remembering is the better of the two
options
2195[20:58:23] <somiaj> but since as you see the device names
change, and most likely you won't be reinstalling grub, it is
more personal preference.
2196[20:58:24] <ryouma> but it is dpkg-reconfuigure that gets
called in upgrade?
2197[20:58:47] <somiaj> no dpkg-reconfigure does not get called
during upgrades. That is part of the install script. An upgrade is
not an install.
2198[20:58:55] <ryouma> ok
2199[20:59:09] <ryouma> doesn't it get called whenever
kernel upgrades though? or is that something else?
2200[20:59:26] <somiaj> that is update-grub
2201[20:59:27] <ryouma> maybe that is just grub-update
2202[20:59:29] <ryouma> oops
2203[20:59:30] <ryouma> yeah
2204[20:59:43] <ryouma> alkisg: somiaj thank you for giving me
tools and more confidence and verifying my cfg and fstab
2205[20:59:58] <alkisg> somiaj: the grub debconf dialog appears
in various cases when grub gets upgraded
2206[20:59:59] <somiaj> grub is not like lilo that has be
reinstalled in the mbr each change. It only needs to be installed
once, and then you can contorl it via updating config files.
2207[21:00:19] <ryouma> i still don't have total confidence,
but i have enough to seriouysly consider joining the stretch
revolution now
2209[21:00:35] <somiaj> alkisg: hmm, I haven't seen that in
years of using sid, but I trust you. Though I'm surprised it is
using things like /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, because those could change
between upgrades which could cause problems.
2210[21:00:46] <alkisg> It doesn't, it's using uuids
2211[21:01:13] <somiaj> there is a uuid for /dev/sda, I thought
uuids were for filesystems?
2212[21:01:19] <alkisg> I've seen it get called when disks
get changed or when there are new grub conffiles/updates in /etc
2218[21:02:46] <somiaj> ahh, that could be how it tracks it. I
only use a few systems, but I have no recolletion of grub needing to
be reinstalled after any upgrade on my few systems. And the few
times I changed disks, I just manually used grub-install.
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2222[21:05:02] <ryouma> i use /dev/disk/by-id for grub-install,
because there is no uuid for the whole drive that i found. yet i
know the kernel (udev or some such) changes those a lot. i wonder if
the wwn-0x500a07510d234cc0 notation is more stable?
2226[21:07:19] <alkisg> They're getting that from udev
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2228[21:08:19] <somiaj> ahh so it might reinstall grub if it
detects a change in disks? Still seems strange to me an upgrade
script would risk installing grub over some other bootloader.
2229[21:08:22] <ryouma> (dunno if udev is part of kernel or what,
but i do know that the id's change from kernel version to
kernel version in practice in debian)
2233[21:11:00] <samsquatch> I've had some weird errors I
cannot seem to pin down
2234[21:11:20] <samsquatch> I am on Stretch with Mate
2235[21:11:56] <samsquatch> and every so often I lose
keyboard/mouse and video
2236[21:12:04] <alkisg> Last time I had trouble with that was
years ago when I was dual booting 2 ubuntu partitions on one disk,
and on each grub update, that ubuntu version would reinstall itself
to the MBR... until I realized what was happenning and I ran
dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and selected no MBR at all on one of them
2237[21:12:06] <samsquatch> I have to do a hard reset
2240[21:12:46] <samsquatch> i cannot find anything that really
jumps out in the logs
2241[21:13:07] <alkisg> samsquatch: does alt+ctrl+f1 give you a
text console at that point?
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2243[21:13:14] <samsquatch> no
2244[21:13:20] <alkisg> Wait, video, do you mean that the screen
goes black?
2245[21:13:27] <samsquatch> no keyboard or mouse works
2246[21:13:29] <samsquatch> no
2247[21:13:31] <samsquatch> well
2248[21:13:44] <samsquatch> so when the things tarts its shit it
will blink black
2249[21:13:54] <samsquatch> and then the desktop freezes
2250[21:14:04] <samsquatch> and no input devices work
2251[21:14:07] <ryouma> alkisg: somiaj 2 minor questions. is it
ok to ^C at a prompt when you run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc? also, is
" 4. - /dev/sdc1 (999 MB; /boot)" an indication that i am
already installing only to /dev/sdc1 and not to the other items on
the proferred list?
2252[21:14:11] <samsquatch> (except the power button)
2253[21:14:49] <alkisg> So it's just a crash, everything is
frozen, not just the keyboard/mouse. Well, first make sure it's
not hardware, e.g. try running a live cd for a period of time, doing
intensive tasks, watching youtube etc
2254[21:14:52] <samsquatch> like the screen flickers and I lose
all input devices
2255[21:15:07] <somiaj> ryouma: where you put /boot is
independent of the disk you install grub onto the MBR with
grub-install.
2256[21:15:34] <samsquatch> this has only happened since
upgrading to Stretch
2257[21:15:44] <ryouma> somiaj: i was referring to the -
character which shows up on only that entry
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2259[21:15:50] <somiaj> ryouma: as mentioned there are two
different things going on. 1) installing grub to the mbr via
grub-install, 2) configuring grub via update-grub and the files in
/boot/grub
2260[21:15:56] <alkisg> ryouma: on that dpkg-reconfigure, only
select whole disks, not partitions. It's usually NOT ok to
install grub to partitions, I hope you didn't check your boot
partition there.
2261[21:15:58] <ryouma> so i guess i should select "3.
/dev/sdc (512110 MB; Crucial_CT512MX100SSD1)"
2262[21:16:05] <samsquatch> and I'll have open like x-chat
and looking at a wiki page
2263[21:16:36] <samsquatch> any ideas on that?
2264[21:16:42] <somiaj> ryouma: yes, you can choose to install
grub onto the MBR of the first partition, /dev/sdc1, instead of the
main disk, /dev/sdc. Most would install on the main disk.
2265[21:16:42] <samsquatch> I have an ssh console open
2266[21:16:47] <ryouma> i was already aware of installing to
whole disks, so i would not have done so intentionally. but that -
character is disturbing.
2267[21:16:59] <samsquatch> thing is, if im downloading something
and it locks up the download continues
2268[21:17:06] <samsquatch> so it seems to be in the UI
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2270[21:17:15] <alkisg> somiaj: "MBR of the first
partition" => partitions don't have MBRs... if you mean
boot sector, that's a different thing
2271[21:17:21] <ryouma> oops, i mean i was already aware of the
wisdom of installing to whole disks, so i would not have done so
intentionally. but that - character is disturbing.
2272[21:17:35] <ryouma> would not have installed to a partition
intentionally*
2273[21:18:16] <alkisg> ryouma: from what I see, that - character
means "partition that is child of a disk", doesn't
it?
2274[21:18:28] <ryouma> alkisg: ah then it would be ok
2275[21:18:40] <alkisg> Like drawing an ascii-based tree...
2276[21:18:41] <ryouma> alkisg: yeah that hypothesis is not
falsified
2277[21:19:09] <ryouma> does dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc always do
both grub-install and update-grub?
2278[21:19:38] <alkisg> I think so
2279[21:19:52] <ryouma> i will ^C and when i am prepared to try a
reboot, i will select "3. /dev/sdc ..." just in case it is
not already selected. however, normally i use "grub-install
/dev/disk/by-id/..."
2417[23:13:34] <oct2pus> not sure if i should ask here or
#neovim, but is it possible to use the vim-pathogen package on
debian to work on neovim or will i need to install a second version
of pathogen not from APT just for neovim?\