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• 4[00:08:46] <mrwebmaster> thanks i'll figure this out
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• 7[00:21:08] <oxek> when I run 'apt upgrade', it fails with "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" with a list of packages. How can I get apt to ignore this issue and upgrade everything else?
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• 90[02:02:13] <nvz> I have / on /dev/sdb1 and /home on /dev/sda1 and I was trying to bind /var/lib/libvirt/images to /home/virt/ as sda1 is a larger disk.. doing mount --bind /home/virt /var/lib/libvirt/images is not showing up in df output, and is showing up in plain "mount" output as /dev/sda1 mounted on /var/lib/libvirt/images and ls is still showing the directory as empty
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• 105[02:30:21] <nvz> @.@
• 106[02:30:46] <nvz> oh well.. I just removed /var/lib/libvirt/images and symlinked it but I cant get it to work :D
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• 108[02:32:49] <nvz> it was bitching about failure to connect to virtlogd socket.. but I'd rebooted and now I'm just getting "Error starting domain: Requested operation is not valid: network 'default' is not active"
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• 111[02:33:51] <quadrathoch2> nvz 'sudo virsh net-start default' should fix it for this boot ;)
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• 114[02:35:24] <nvz> quadrathoch2: hmm, yes all seems to be well now
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• 117[02:35:50] <nvz> idk wth was going on with trying to bind those dirs.. if some service was screwing it up or what
• 118[02:35:56] <quadrathoch2> nvz if you want that it autostarts at every boot 'sudo virsh net-autostart default'
• 119[02:35:57] <nvz> but symlinking seems to work
• 120[02:36:23] <quadrathoch2> sorry can't help you there, as I normally don't bind/symlink something
• 121[02:36:25] <nvz> idk what I want yet.. just getting a feel for the system :D
• 122[02:37:09] <nvz> all I know is I been using virutalbox.. and I want to get to a point where I can not only script creation of vms and installation, but use them on any of my machines
• 123[02:37:39] <nvz> these more open virutalization solutions seem like the way to go
• 124[02:38:01] <quadrathoch2> yup :)
• 125[02:40:08] <nvz> right now I've setup a debian 10.5 base, standard, desktop (gnome), and xfce vm just to mess around and get the hang of it
• 126[02:41:56] <quadrathoch2> nvz so I guess you are using virt-manager?
• 127[02:42:14] <nvz> yes at the moment.. though I may just move these to my headless server in the long run
• 128[02:42:20] <nvz> I was reading up on the whole spice thing
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• 130[02:42:42] <nvz> seems like I can just keep these in a saved state on the server, fire them up and connect to them remotely
• 131[02:42:44] <binaryhermit> hmm, has anyone had issues with the latest GRUB?
• 132[02:43:02] <binaryhermit> because I'm seriously considering rebooting my server because new kernel
• 133[02:43:17] <binaryhermit> and it'd be hilarious if it didn't come back up /s
• 134[02:43:40] <quadrathoch2> if you are on 10.5, the fix should be there
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• 136[02:43:57] <quadrathoch2> nvz, why not keeping virt-manager, as it can also connect remotely?
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• 138[02:44:28] <binaryhermit> I mean, has anyone had any issues with the fix?
• 139[02:44:44] <nvz> well I probably will keep it on all the other machines once I figure it out.. but I wont be using it on the server if I move the stuff there
• 140[02:44:46] <binaryhermit> I think I had the fix before the latest apt upgrade
• 141[02:45:57] <binaryhermit> nevermind, wish me luck
• 142[02:45:59] <quadrathoch2> binaryhermit i didn't have any issues :/ so that's my experience ;)
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• 145[02:46:59] <quadrathoch2> nvz, as I said, you can just connect with virt-manager over ssh to the other server. so there shouldn't really be a need for learning commands. If you want, go ahead ;) but I like to know both :)
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• 147[02:48:13] <binaryhermit> and it seems to have come back without massive breakage
• 148[02:51:30] <jim> does buster still support 32bit intel?
• 149[02:52:46] <quadrathoch2> jim yes
• 150[02:52:56] <jim> ok, cool
• 151[02:53:03] <quadrathoch2> and bullseye will very likely
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• 153[02:54:04] <jim> ok
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• 156[02:55:58] <AAC> hey. does debian buster distro, works on intel 32 bits? all the packages?
• 157[02:56:13] <jim> he just answered that :)
• 158[02:56:21] <AAC> :)
• 159[02:56:24] <jim> to me in fact :)
• 160[02:56:43] <AAC> you didn't answer the "all packages" thing
• 161[02:56:47] <binaryhermit> there might be some packages that don't work on 32 bit intel
• 162[02:57:00] <AAC> crucial packages?
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• 164[02:57:13] <binaryhermit> I remember years ago some presumably closed source IIRC audio driver was 64 bit only
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• 167[02:57:15] <quadrathoch2> probably not AAC
• 168[02:57:17] <jim> oh, because I don't know what works or doesn't in bullseye
• 169[02:57:19] <AAC> well anyway they aren't deprecating stretch right
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• 171[02:57:28] <jim> no
• 172[02:57:45] <AAC> they are depracting stretch?
• 173[02:57:50] <jim> mesaboogie, I been to your factory
• 174[02:57:57] <binaryhermit> replaced-url
• 175[02:58:03] <mesaboogie> jim: awesome! =)
• 176[02:58:06] <binaryhermit> that was longer ago than I thought
• 177[02:58:18] <binaryhermit> Stretch is entering LTS, I thought
• 178[02:58:18] <quadrathoch2> AAC just be careful as debian 9 is already on LTS support, which means not all packages get security fixes
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• 180[02:58:53] <binaryhermit> I would consider an exit plan if I had any stretch machines, installing stretch at this point is sheer madness
• 181[02:59:09] <jim> quadrathoch2, is that saying he should probably upgrade? I think he wants to
• 182[02:59:32] <quadrathoch2> jim for most people it's advisable to upgrade
• 183[02:59:37] <binaryhermit> then again, if I had any solaris machines, I'd be looking for the exit doors, and Oracle's promising to support Solaris 11 until... 2034?
• 184[02:59:43] <jim> my exit plan is through a door!
• 185[02:59:54] <binaryhermit> so I'm somewhat early to make an exit plan
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• 187[03:00:05] <jim> ok
• 188[03:00:09] <quadrathoch2> binaryhermit if you want to pay the dollars? even now there are companies paying for older debian releases than 8
• 189[03:01:01] <jim> AAC, so what do you think?
• 190[03:01:12] <AAC> hmm..i have a little bit of cold feet
• 191[03:01:14] <binaryhermit> I suspect in a lot of cases, it's significantly cheaper to figure out how to go to a newer release
• 192[03:01:26] <AAC> like i want all the packages (that i know and thay i dont know) to work
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• 194[03:01:34] <AAC> that's what i like in free software :)
• 195[03:01:38] <jim> AAC, want to try the first step?
• 196[03:01:39] <AAC> you have several apps at disposal
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• 198[03:01:53] <AAC> well, i guess i could use the HD
• 199[03:01:55] <AAC> avaible
• 200[03:01:56] <AAC> mhmm
• 201[03:02:08] <AAC> so you have like some kind of receipt to do it?
• 202[03:02:26] <AAC> i dont want to crash my stretch distro
• 203[03:02:46] <AAC> actually not only free , but also open source :)
• 204[03:03:02] <jim> ok, the first step, don't change sources.list, just run: apt -d upgrade
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• 206[03:03:10] <AAC> that i can do
• 207[03:03:11] <AAC> hold on
• 208[03:03:13] <quadrathoch2> AAC, as long as you have only packages installed from stretch or stretch-backports repo, everything should be fine with the upgrade. and most stuff will still work as we are already at the 5th release of debian 10 there shouldn't be something horribly going wrong
• 209[03:03:16] <jim> we'll firstr just get the packages
• 210[03:03:37] <AAC> ok then ill do it
• 211[03:03:40] <AAC> its a good thing
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• 213[03:03:50] <jim> did it work?
• 214[03:03:59] <AAC> hold on let me run the command..haven't tested it yet
• 215[03:04:06] <jim> ok
• 216[03:04:26] <AAC> can i use apt-get?
• 217[03:04:26] <jim> all it does is download packages (if you keep the -d)
• 218[03:04:37] <jim> sure
• 219[03:04:38] <AAC> ah ok
• 220[03:04:39] <AAC> just downlad?
• 221[03:04:40] <AAC> ok
• 222[03:04:53] <AAC> youll walk me through it right?
• 223[03:04:59] <jim> sure
• 224[03:05:03] <AAC> ok
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• 227[03:05:35] <AAC> do you use apt or apt-get?
• 228[03:05:37] <jim> and since we're here, folks can jump in if we get into trouble
• 229[03:05:47] <jim> usually apt
• 230[03:06:08] <AAC> nope didnt install anything, just said that some package was held back
• 231[03:06:15] <jim> the difference is they use different ways of resolvign dependencies
• 232[03:06:22] <quadrathoch2> AAC we need to fix that first
• 233[03:06:31] <jim> let's find out what package that is
• 234[03:06:40] <AAC> oh man i wish this doesn't destroy my os
• 235[03:06:46] <jim> how doi you do that :P
• 236[03:06:56] <AAC> icedtea-netx
• 237[03:07:17] <quadrathoch2> ,v icedtea-netx
• 238[03:07:18] <judd> Package: icedtea-netx on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5.3-1; jessie-security: 1.5.3-1+deb8u1; stretch: 1.6.2-3.1+deb9u1; buster: 1.7.2-2; bullseye: 1.8.4-1; sid: 1.8.4-1
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• 240[03:08:35] <jim> AAC, could you run: dpkg -s icedtea-netx | grep Version
• 241[03:08:46] <jim> show us what it says
• 242[03:09:01] <RoyK> jim: just curious - what sort of machine is this? not many use x86 anymore
• 243[03:09:15] <AAC> Version: 1.6.2-3.1
• 244[03:09:26] <AAC> btw...do you know what commands by memory?
• 245[03:09:35] <jim> yeah
• 246[03:09:39] <AAC> heeheh
• 247[03:09:40] <AAC> :)
• 248[03:09:44] <AAC> how do you do that?
• 249[03:09:52] <RoyK> AAC: it sinks in over time
• 250[03:09:59] <AAC> :)
• 251[03:10:00] <AAC> ok ok
• 252[03:10:03] <quadrathoch2> huh? why are you on the latest, and it's still held back :/
• 253[03:10:37] <jim> it's not quite the latest, it's got that +deb9u1 thing
• 254[03:11:16] <jim> AAC, a lot of us have been doing this for 20 or 30 years
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• 258[03:11:38] <AAC> RoyK, would you not adivise me to upgrade to buster?
• 259[03:11:48] <LtL> apt full-upgrade should fix the held back package without doing anything else.
• 260[03:11:49] <AAC> jim, oh ok
• 261[03:12:03] <AAC> so you belong to the time when linux was made
• 262[03:12:05] <jim> well we just have to find out why its on hold is all
• 263[03:12:12] <jim> yep
• 264[03:12:15] <AAC> oh
• 265[03:12:33] <nvz> doing a full-upgrade will usually clue you in as to why.. its gonna want to remove something
• 266[03:12:36] <AAC> so you kind of assist all the technoly revolution
• 267[03:12:52] <AAC> like netscape brower :)
• 268[03:13:03] <jim> but I started in like 94 or 95, and not debian until like 98 or so
• 269[03:13:17] <AAC> well ...i guess that was a big revolution...
• 270[03:13:32] <AAC> but the experts did say that it was gonna to be revolutionary
• 271[03:13:38] <AAC> like shopping companies
• 272[03:13:41] <jim> I was looking for something that could upgrade like we're about to do, and debian was particularly impressive
• 273[03:13:51] <AAC> i used red hat for a while
• 274[03:13:55] <AAC> version 6
• 275[03:14:24] <jim> I broke my slackware all to hell (installed later libc, executables go BOOM...)
• 276[03:14:29] <AAC> eheheheh
• 277[03:14:43] <AAC> they did advise me not to do that
• 278[03:14:52] <jim> then I started looking, tried redhat
• 279[03:15:05] <jim> it couldn't upgrade all the way
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• 281[03:15:19] <AAC> i still remember of Xfree86 config file
• 282[03:15:26] <hussar> i can't get php to work on apache in debian testing
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• 284[03:15:36] <Tech_8> sup
• 285[03:15:38] <nvz> !debian-next
• 286[03:15:38] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 287[03:15:43] <hussar> is this a bug or just me
• 288[03:15:58] <jim> so when that failed, I tried debian... and, I saw it upgrade over the move from a.out format to elf format, and at the same time from libc4 to libc5
• 289[03:16:04] <AAC> what happened to X ?
• 290[03:16:09] <jim> that was impressive
• 291[03:16:20] <AAC> hehee yeah the file format is much better
• 292[03:16:35] <hussar> it says i can't join #debian-next. i must be invided
• 293[03:16:39] <hussar> *invited
• 294[03:16:49] <AAC> jim, so you are an early user of debian?
• 295[03:17:00] <jim> pretty early
• 296[03:17:07] <AAC> did you try just to run linux , without distros?
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• 298[03:17:17] <nvz> replaced-url
• 299[03:17:32] <quadrathoch2> hussar reading would be great ;)
• 300[03:17:35] <nvz> hussar: yes, because you did not read the factoid
• 301[03:17:39] <jim> no, someone told me about slackware when I got my first hard drive
• 302[03:17:54] <hussar> factoid?
• 303[03:18:02] <AAC> jim, is XFree86 still being developed??
• 304[03:18:06] <quadrathoch2> hussar read what dpkg wrote
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• 307[03:18:24] <jim> we're using Xorg now, and wayland for some people
• 308[03:18:33] <AAC> how much mb was the drive?
• 309[03:18:57] <jim> I think 60 bucks
• 310[03:19:12] <AAC> so it is still in development...that's odd beucase no one every announce that...and its extremly important...do you think that people know they are using X?
• 311[03:19:19] <hussar> omg that's rediculous i should be able to ask here. this channel is dead anyway
• 312[03:19:19] <jim> they were either 2 or 3 drives, I forget
• 313[03:19:29] <nvz> !xfree86
• 314[03:19:29] <dpkg> X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian 4.0 "Etch". To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. replaced-url
• 315[03:19:46] <jim> then I got a 1g scsi drive
• 316[03:20:17] <quadrathoch2> hussar as most people in here have no experience in debian testing, you can ask all around, nobody _can_ answer that question
• 317[03:20:43] <sponix> nvz: are we having fun yet ?
• 318[03:20:52] <AAC> how new is scsi??? like in the kernel, they had to simulate the scsi
• 319[03:20:59] <AAC> do they still simulate it?
• 320[03:21:16] <quadrathoch2> !ot | AAC
• 321[03:21:17] <jim> how can he take that package off hold?
• 322[03:21:26] <nvz> dpkg xfree86 is also XFree86 is now defunct last release was 4.8.0 in Dec 2008.
• 323[03:21:27] <dpkg> nvz: okay
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• 326[03:21:58] <quadrathoch2> jim what's the reason it's getting hold?
• 327[03:22:13] <jim> I dunno, can we find out?
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• 329[03:23:25] <quadrathoch2> at least not with apt
• 330[03:23:42] <themill> "held back" isn't about packages being on hold
• 331[03:23:49] <quadrathoch2> but most of the time it's out of official repo packages
• 332[03:24:26] <jim> AAC, what does it say precisely when you tried upgrading?
• 333[03:24:49] <AAC> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
• 334[03:24:54] <AAC> plus the other stuff
• 335[03:25:14] <nvz> hussar: you did ask here, and you were answered. I pointed you to the bts and the testing support
• 336[03:25:22] <jim> it's the other stuff, how exactly does it say a packages is held?
• 337[03:25:39] <nvz> you didnt ask anything specific enough to warrant more than that
• 338[03:25:42] <themill> !bat
• 339[03:25:42] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 340[03:25:47] <themill> AAC: ^^ all that please
• 341[03:25:56] <AAC> ok let me paste then
• 342[03:26:08] <jim> ok, you've been batted, so let's get this going
• 343[03:26:38] <jim> so the command was "apt -d upgrade"
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• 345[03:26:49] <AAC> replaced-url
• 346[03:26:56] <nvz> ugh
• 347[03:27:35] <AAC> sorryd didnt read :)
• 348[03:27:41] <AAC> repasting
• 349[03:27:45] <nvz> don't use that site in the future, and that information is fairly useless
• 350[03:28:06] <jim> AAC, hold on a sec
• 351[03:28:13] <AAC> ok
• 352[03:28:27] <nvz> a full-upgrade will likely be the shortest route to figuring out whats going on here
• 353[03:28:48] <nvz> its likely going to want to remove something.. you can just say no, and paste the output
• 354[03:28:58] <jim> AAC, could you run: apt -d upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 356[03:29:18] <jim> (we purposely have not run apt update yet)
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• 358[03:29:34] <AAC> how does termbin works?!?!?!
• 359[03:29:41] <AAC> its good
• 360[03:29:42] <AAC> :)
• 361[03:29:44] <jim> pretty good :)
• 362[03:29:47] <nvz> works via netcat, returns a url
• 363[03:29:57] <AAC> replaced-url
• 364[03:30:11] <AAC> but does it separate users by ip?
• 365[03:30:39] <jim> ok, so that's basically the same thing
• 366[03:31:00] <fuxxy> attempting to build deluge-2.0.3 on buster. <dpkg> lost me during the "simple sid backport" command. How exactly should I "enable backports"?
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• 368[03:31:16] <jim> AAC, ok, next,
• 369[03:31:57] <quadrathoch2> !backports
• 370[03:31:57] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 371[03:32:00] <quadrathoch2> fuxxy ^
• 372[03:32:21] <quadrathoch2> ahh sorry xD fuxxy
• 373[03:32:31] <jim> apt-cache policy icedtea-netx | nc termbin.com 9999
• 374[03:32:37] <doric> just downloaded debian-10.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso from replaced-url
• 375[03:32:37] <jim> AAC
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• 377[03:32:41] <quadrathoch2> enabling backports on buster should be easy, read the backports.debian.org site fuxxy
• 378[03:32:47] <doric> sorry, *containing malware
• 379[03:33:24] <jim> AAC, apt-cache policy icedtea-netx | nc termbin.com 9999
• 380[03:33:36] <AAC> replaced-url
• 381[03:34:04] <doric> i'm wondering if anyone else experienced this?
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• 383[03:34:31] <fuxxy> quadrathoch2, should I be adding buster-backports line to sources.list if I'm building a deb from sid?
• 384[03:34:33] <jim> back in a sec for the next step
• 385[03:34:37] <AAC> okay!Q
• 386[03:34:42] <quadrathoch2> yes fuxxy
• 387[03:34:46] <themill> AAC: you need to use "apt full-upgrade" and let it remove the browser plugin
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• 389[03:35:06] <themill> doric: I've seen two reports of that; not really sure why
• 390[03:35:33] <dvs> !tell fuxxy -about ssb
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• 392[03:35:59] <AAC> ok ...can anyone tell me , what is going to be problematic on the upgrade?? so i can know in advance
• 393[03:36:12] <AAC> like system crashes or something
• 394[03:36:34] <jim> AAC, should be fine
• 395[03:36:39] <fuxxy> dvs, see, those instructions have the same ambiguous "enable backports" instruction.
• 396[03:36:46] <jim> as long as the machine itself is
• 397[03:36:46] <dvs> AAC, Well, first and foremost, make a backup of everything before starting.
• 398[03:36:48] <AAC> do i need to edit sources.list?
• 399[03:36:56] <jim> not yet
• 400[03:37:03] <jim> let's try it:
• 401[03:37:11] <AAC> what is the fastest way to backup?
• 402[03:37:13] <jim> apt -d dist-upgrade
• 403[03:37:19] <AAC> hold on let me backup
• 404[03:37:32] <jim> wait ok
• 405[03:37:37] <doric> themill: thanks. spooky stuff.
• 406[03:38:06] <jim> how much hard drive space do you have open/unpartitioned
• 407[03:38:12] <dvs> fuxxy, replaced-url
• 408[03:38:37] <jim> AAC, what do you have to back up to?
• 409[03:38:49] <AAC> 486G
• 410[03:39:03] <jim> how much in use?
• 411[03:39:12] <themill> fuxxy: the instructions do already tell you to go look at debian-backports and the factoid for that has the details
• 412[03:39:21] <AAC> 1.8% full
• 413[03:39:25] <jim> that much space is -unpartitioned-?
• 414[03:39:43] <fuxxy> I'm reading that page now. Adding a line with buster-backports in sources.list prompts my system to upgrade packages - I don't think backports should be attempting to broadly update packages installed from the main tree
• 415[03:39:54] <jim> you -could- do borg backup
• 416[03:40:25] <jim> wanna try that?
• 417[03:40:30] <AAC> okay!
• 418[03:40:32] <dvs> fuxxy, it shouldn't. you should only upgrade the packages you need to upgrade.
• 419[03:40:34] <AAC> let me google
• 420[03:40:57] <jim> while you're googling... apt install borgbackup
• 421[03:40:58] <brachamh> question: i created a system user (no login) but /etc/passwd still shows a home directory. the directory itself doesn't seem to exist yet. can i remove that setting for the home directory, or does it not matter?
• 422[03:41:06] <fuxxy> dvs, after adding buster-backports, the first 'apt update' prompts that git-man, git, and linux-libc-dev are upgradable
• 423[03:41:11] <LtL> fuxxy: enabling backports will not backport anything without you specifically telling it to
• 424[03:41:25] <jim> we may still have to fix that package
• 425[03:41:36] <AAC> jim, do i need other firewall scripts?
• 426[03:41:40] <AAC> oh man im having coldfeet
• 427[03:41:44] <dvs> fuxxy, I think you're running into Debian 10.5
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• 429[03:42:17] <AAC> what i see , is that i dont necessary need the new distro...
• 430[03:42:19] <jim> well if you're not comfortable, I'm not pushing you into it...
• 431[03:42:47] <AAC> ok..ill take a look though..need to check the security fixex for stretch..if they are bad...ill consider upgrading ..
• 432[03:42:50] <AAC> thanks man!
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• 434[03:43:12] <AAC> having sayed that..what is that borg thing?
• 435[03:43:17] <jim> we should still fix that one package
• 436[03:43:19] <quadrathoch2> and make a backup for when you upgrade AAC :)
• 437[03:43:22] <AAC> yep!
• 438[03:43:23] <AAC> :)
• 439[03:43:31] <jim> hold on
• 440[03:44:04] <AAC> anyway..what essential things did the buster upgrade made?
• 441[03:44:52] <AAC> hey jim ...this borg is good :)
• 442[03:44:55] <jim> dunno... but, you should try this: apt install icedtea-netx
• 443[03:45:15] <AAC> so youve taken the day off for explaning this stuff?
• 444[03:45:17] <AAC> :)))
• 445[03:45:18] <fuxxy> sigh. added two lines - a deb-src for sid, and a deb for buster-backports, did the 'apt update', and 'apt-b source deluge' still builds the debs for 1.3.15
• 446[03:45:35] <jim> well it's going slower
• 447[03:46:09] <AAC> well....that worked
• 448[03:46:12] <jim> AAC, wanna try that line? you're just installing that package
• 449[03:46:21] <jim> you did it...
• 450[03:46:25] <AAC> yes i know , i did it and it worked :)
• 451[03:46:55] <jim> ok, could you now run (again): apt-cache policy icedtea-netx | nc termbin.com 9999
• 452[03:47:40] <dvs> fuxxy, you need the -t option like replaced-url
• 453[03:47:49] <jim> AAC
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• 455[03:48:16] <AAC> replaced-url
• 456[03:48:30] <fuxxy> dvs, ahh, well dpkg says to use 'apt -b source packagename'
• 457[03:48:33] <AAC> hey anyway....what is the best update to the distro , that buster made?
• 458[03:48:38] <jim> that looks better
• 459[03:48:45] <AAC> thanks man!
• 460[03:48:48] <themill> fuxxy: that works here; sure you added a deb-src line for sid?
• 461[03:49:04] <AAC> reading on borgf
• 462[03:49:22] <dvs> oh, did I just get confused? probably.
• 463[03:49:28] <jim> themill, take a look at his paste... looks like the package version matches now
• 464[03:49:54] <AAC> well ...its good to be tutored :)
• 465[03:50:01] <fuxxy> replaced-url
• 466[03:50:43] <themill> fuxxy: and did you run apt update after adding it
• 467[03:50:48] <jim> AAC, do you know about new processes and the three streams that are made when a new process is made?
• 468[03:50:57] <AAC> yes
• 469[03:51:17] <jim> oops, what's that a yes to
• 470[03:51:26] <fuxxy> I did, that's where apt prompted that git-man, git, and linux-libc-dev are upgradable
• 471[03:51:33] <AAC> know the creation of process and the heritage of the file descriptors plus other stuff
• 472[03:51:39] <AAC> do they inherit right?
• 473[03:51:42] <AAC> oops perhaps not
• 474[03:52:06] <jim> maybe, I'm talking about STDIN, STDOUT, STDERR
• 475[03:52:12] <themill> fuxxy: apt update will not prompt you to do anything like that
• 476[03:52:12] <AAC> yeah i figured it
• 477[03:52:21] <AAC> why are you asking?
• 478[03:52:22] <fuxxy> 3 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
• 479[03:52:29] <jim> so here's what A | B does
• 480[03:52:55] <themill> fuxxy: and what's the output of "apt-cache policy git-man git linux-libc-dev"
• 481[03:53:02] <jim> create process for A, and for B, then connect STDOUT of A to STDIN of B
• 482[03:53:10] <AAC> pipe?
• 483[03:53:11] <fuxxy> themill, that appears to be apt, apt-get update doesnt provide such a prompt.
• 484[03:53:16] <jim> yeah
• 485[03:53:18] <AAC> okay
• 486[03:53:28] <AAC> so i need to fork a process everytime i want a new process?
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• 488[03:53:45] <jim> now, here's what termbin does... it takes whatever comes in on its STDIN, and pastebins it
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• 490[03:54:09] <fuxxy> themill, replaced-url
• 491[03:54:20] <jim> AAC, try this: cal
• 492[03:54:25] <jim> then try this:
• 493[03:54:52] <jim> AAC, cal | nc termbin.com 9999
• 494[03:54:53] <themill> fuxxy: so at some point you installed versions of those packages newer than what was in buster...
• 495[03:54:55] <dvs> fuxxy, yeah, those are from Debian 10.5
• 496[03:55:00] <AAC> so..it opens a process for a user, gets data from STDIN, posts it using a script , and then says the url?
• 497[03:55:04] <jim> AAC, then look at the link you get
• 498[03:55:16] <jim> yes
• 499[03:55:25] <AAC> well..that's a good idea :)
• 500[03:55:26] <AAC> and its fast
• 501[03:55:38] <AAC> faster than http
• 502[03:55:55] <AAC> but can it be abused?
• 503[03:56:05] <AAC> what if you have a lot of text
• 504[03:57:03] <jim> then it's even better that you pastebin it instead of putting it on the channel (for which you can be k lined)
• 505[03:57:36] <jim> so it's a good tool... saves your bacon
• 506[03:57:41] <AAC> yep
• 507[03:57:42] <AAC> :)
• 508[03:58:07] <jim> ok, we're really doing the borg thing, yes?
• 509[03:58:32] <AAC> yes
• 510[03:58:34] <fuxxy> $ apt build-dep deluge-2.0.3 E: Unable to find a source package for deluge-2.0.3
• 511[03:58:34] <jim> ok
• 512[03:58:46] <AAC> but now?
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• 514[03:58:52] <jim> AAC, apt install borgbackup
• 515[03:58:59] <AAC> oh man i need to read first...
• 516[03:59:13] <AAC> perhaps other time...thanks anyway
• 517[03:59:24] <jim> AAC, after that, you need to create a repo, then you can backup to that repo
• 518[03:59:32] <AAC> (still trying to figure out the wireless ap thing)
• 519[03:59:48] <jim> well maybe we can try the upgrade?
• 520[03:59:56] <AAC> i need to read...
• 521[04:00:05] <jim> ok
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• 524[04:01:50] <jim> AAC, with borg, you make a repo (it can be encrypted or not), then from that point on, you can back up to the repo by making "archives", that you can make up your own name of
• 525[04:02:12] <AAC> cool
• 526[04:02:24] <AAC> im going for encrypted
• 527[04:02:26] <AAC> :)
• 528[04:02:40] <themill> fuxxy: deluge-2.0.3 is not the source package name
• 529[04:03:01] <jim> so, you can come here when you want to do the upgrade, and ask for help doing so... but that package is not held anymore
• 530[04:03:24] <AAC> okay!
• 531[04:03:29] <jim> so your machine is ready to do the upgrade
• 532[04:03:32] <AAC> thks!
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• 535[04:05:09] <jim> earlier, themill said that if you did the upgrade, the package would also be taken off hold... I figured, we can just fix that one package as that's what you're comfortable with now
• 536[04:05:59] <jim> anyway, that's enough of me yapping... talk soon maybe
• 537[04:06:55] <AAC> okay...good dreams :)
• 538[04:06:59] <AAC> thks once again
• 539[04:07:10] <jim> wlcm
• 540[04:07:53] <jim> (but we can't use either one of those on ##linux, there are actual language rules)
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• 550[04:16:39] <UncleKiwi> hi there, I am wanting to expand the size of my / partition on and ext4 partition /dev/sda1
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• 552[04:16:55] <UncleKiwi> i have increased the size of the virtual disk
• 553[04:17:18] <UncleKiwi> but now I want to get the sda1 partition to take up the new space
• 554[04:17:40] <UncleKiwi> but im a bit lost
• 555[04:17:48] <UncleKiwi> whats the best way
• 556[04:17:54] <sponix> UncleKiwi: gparted is your friend
• 557[04:18:06] <UncleKiwi> i have no gui
• 558[04:18:12] <sponix> backup any important data prior, use gparted to "grow" the partition
• 559[04:18:19] <sponix> hmm
• 560[04:18:32] <dvs> parted then
• 561[04:18:33] <sponix> I would say "parted" is your friend, that and some reading :)
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• 563[04:19:05] <UncleKiwi> thanks guys
• 564[04:19:10] <UncleKiwi> partted
• 565[04:19:44] <themill> and backups... backups are your friend
• 566[04:20:03] <UncleKiwi> yes backups are a great friend
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• 574[04:24:55] <UncleKiwi> snapshots are also good
• 575[04:25:34] <RoyK> UncleKiwi: if the fs supports it, or if you use lvm and can handle the overhead
• 576[04:25:49] <UncleKiwi> the box is in a vm
• 577[04:25:59] <UncleKiwi> i have just allocated it some more disk
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• 580[04:26:17] <UncleKiwi> i was just wanting to resize the partition
• 581[04:26:28] <UncleKiwi> to allow the guest os to use it
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• 584[04:26:47] <UncleKiwi> but still backups are important
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• 613[04:40:39] <ritalinona> I have a usb thats not showing up in devices nor in 'fdisk -l' but when I do 'lsusb' the usb is present. and when I plug the usb into another computer all is fine and when I plug another usb into the problematic computer its fine as well
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• 618[04:42:56] <nvz> have a look at journalctl -ke
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• 621[04:46:04] <ritalinona> ok thanks for the sanity check. results: need sleep immediately
• 622[04:46:16] <ritalinona> forgot how many drives I had on the box
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• 625[04:47:10] <ritalinona> so I've been using this usb as my boot key file. and for some reason its not mounting to /boot/ which caused an issue when I tried to update/upgrade
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• 627[04:47:51] <ritalinona> had to purge all 4.19.0-10 that were installed
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• 629[04:48:43] <RoyK> ritalinona: nothing in lsblk either?
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• 631[04:49:34] <ritalinona> well so I do see it (its just not present in the file manager for some reason)
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• 642[05:04:28] <jim> ritalinona, sleep is good in this world
• 643[05:06:14] <jim> having said that, if you're used to debian, it will treat you very well for seriously long oeriods
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• 645[05:07:58] <ritalinona> and yet I find new ways to break it every day xp
• 646[05:10:52] <jim> each will turn out to be teachable moments
• 647[05:11:40] <ritalinona> thats true
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• 649[05:12:31] <jim> you seem like you want to experiment and try new things, so, your present situation is perfect
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• 653[05:14:30] <ritalinona> ya I've messed with a lot of distros and out of them all debian (or the like) are the easiest to recover from. (or maybe because its the one I know the best?)
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• 655[05:16:39] <ritalinona> I have to say I was quite proud of myself - the problem that led me to my problem that I came in for - was the first time I had a fatal problem and I got it figured out without seeking help
• 656[05:16:40] <jim> maybe it's a combination of the stability and quality of debian in general, with the fact you know it the best? (I dunno, I guess I'm doinbg a lot of saying how you are... consider them all questions :)
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• 697[05:30:21] <UncleKiwi> gparted was the key thanks
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• 699[05:30:41] <dvs> but you had no gui??
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• 703[05:31:09] <UncleKiwi> i booted it from the gparted boot cd
• 704[05:31:15] <dvs> ah
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• 706[05:31:30] <UncleKiwi> and i needed the newest version also
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• 708[05:31:37] <UncleKiwi> whihc was interesting
• 709[05:31:41] <UncleKiwi> *which
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• 733[05:53:24] <abff> if I install a .deb file using dpkg, can it be uninstalled using apt, or will I have to uninstall it using dpkg later.
• 734[05:53:55] <quadrathoch2> abff you could, but apt is recommended, as apt can install dependencies
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• 736[05:54:12] <abff> this program isn't under the debian repositories
• 737[05:55:43] <abff> replaced-url
• 738[05:55:52] <abff> thanks
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• 741[05:58:06] <quadrathoch2> abff you don't need it to be in the repo, just use 'sudo apt install ./file'
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• 743[05:58:41] <abff> quadrathoch2: oh neato
• 744[05:58:52] <abff> I always thought apt just dealt with repos and didn't mess with files
• 745[05:59:27] <quadrathoch2> abff it 'reletively' new, I guess since buster or a little before? can't really remember
• 746[05:59:48] <abff> I've been all over the tree tbh and I've been through 3 versions of apt so
• 747[05:59:52] * abff shrugs
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• 759[06:10:42] <independent> can someone explain me how gitlab builder works? I have heavy work to be compiled and uploaded but I lack information can someone view my repo and tell me more about that feature? replaced-url
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• 764[06:14:21] <jmcnaught> Maybe you'll have more luck in #gitlab ?
• 765[06:15:14] <independent> trying
• 766[06:15:44] <independent> I was asking here since my build is debian based
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• 778[06:27:32] <Casper26> what does buster use for dnscache, and what is the easiest way to flushdns in buster?
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• 787[06:37:53] <cupcake90> Hi anybody having a good alternative for thunderbird I am using xfce new mail alerts not working any inputs
• 788[06:38:57] <quadrathoch2> cupcake90 did you test out geary or evolution? (myself I like evolution)
• 789[06:40:11] <cupcake90> evolution supports notifications? can i minimize it to xfce tray?
• 790[06:41:02] <quadrathoch2> ahh sorry, evolution doesn't support tray :/
• 791[06:41:06] <quadrathoch2> and geary, no idea
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• 793[06:42:05] <cupcake90> quadrathoch2: sad every tray app is broken now
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• 795[06:43:06] <quadrathoch2> cupcake90 yeah :/ that's why I just adjusted myself to only minimize :(
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• 798[06:45:05] <cupcake90> when you have lots of windows on panel it is very anoying this simple thing is handled well in windows and mac makes me sad :(
• 799[06:46:14] <quadrathoch2> cupcake90 if you install thunderbird through flatpak, there is still the birdtray "addon"
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• 801[06:48:30] <cupcake90> Is it old version ?
• 802[06:49:11] <quadrathoch2> cupcake90 68.11.0
• 803[06:49:48] <cupcake90> thats latest i think let me try then thanks
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• 805[06:50:17] <quadrathoch2> replaced-url
• 806[06:50:24] <quadrathoch2> second link is the tray "addon"
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• 808[06:52:29] <cupcake90> cool
• 809[06:52:32] <cupcake90> let me try
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• 874[08:34:50] <killn9ne> #debian-next is locked?
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• 876[08:36:00] <themill> The channel is on OFTC
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• 878[08:36:20] <killn9ne> yea thanks
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• 889[08:47:05] <otisolsen70> I just got a DegradedArray Event on my Debian server (full mail with event here: replaced-url
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• 897[08:54:09] <nvz> sdb3[1](F)
• 898[08:54:19] <nvz> is where the issue was detected
• 899[08:54:33] <otisolsen70> nvz, so I replace sdb, right?
• 900[08:54:54] * independent need to borrow a root with 50GB free space you can trust me, its just to build an iso and upload I dont have enough power over here
• 901[08:55:18] <nvz> heh
• 902[08:55:41] <nvz> I highly doubt anything I got here is better than what you got :D
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• 904[08:56:21] <nvz> my highest performing systems are i5-4300U w/ 8gb ram
• 905[08:56:39] <independent> its more of an internet issue over here
• 906[08:56:44] <netvixtra> 22 core banger
• 907[08:56:46] <independent> upload 200kb sec
• 908[08:57:04] <otisolsen70> independent, use aws free tier?
• 909[08:57:14] <independent> my card declined
• 910[08:57:27] <nvz> yeah well I got the lowest cable internet package they had.. so my internet speeds (especially up) arent that impressive either
• 911[08:57:46] <independent> I tried google shell but /usr/bin/env No such file pops up
• 912[08:58:20] <nvz> looks like I'm geting about 140Mbps/6Mbps d/u right now on wired clients :P
• 913[08:58:36] <independent> nvz
• 914[08:58:42] <independent> can you build an iso for me?
• 915[08:59:14] <independent> replaced-url
• 916[08:59:18] <independent> oops
• 917[08:59:22] <independent> replaced-url
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• 920[09:00:14] <nvz> otisolsen70: I'd say the first thing you need to do is gather more information.. like mdadm --detail /dev/md1 or w/e
• 921[09:00:32] <nvz> otisolsen70: but ultimately yes, you probably have a faulty disk that needs replaced
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• 924[09:02:46] <independent> Auto Build using a Dockerfile @ GitLab: how do you configure a Dockerfile to run a command to build an ISO and upload it somewhere, based on this repo:
• 925[09:02:46] <independent> replaced-url
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• 928[09:03:39] <ksk> independent: excuse my language, but dafuq why? What are you really trying to do?
• 929[09:04:00] <ksk> Yes, the docker is fancy. But if you use it, please do embrace the docker way of doing things.
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• 931[09:04:07] <independent> build an iso without my internet connection because its crap
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• 933[09:04:32] <otisolsen70> nvz, replaced-url
• 934[09:04:48] <nvz> if this were not totally ridiculous I might consider it..
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• 936[09:05:22] <ksk> independent: so basicly, you are asking "How to docker" - this is a debian support channel, and while there are docker packages available it might not be the best place to teach you the docker ways.
• 937[09:05:42] <frostschutz> otisolsen70, do you have dmesg or syslog of the failure event? smartctl -a /dev/sdb?
• 938[09:05:43] <independent> ok but my question is
• 939[09:05:45] <nvz> not only is this just something thrown together by some weirdo with a crush on someone on instagram.. but its a f'n live kali image for web server which makes absolutely no damn sense to me
• 940[09:05:50] <independent> is it possible to do such?
• 941[09:06:04] <nvz> running xfce live is not my idea of a good way to run a webserver
• 942[09:06:16] <nvz> I could not recommend this
• 943[09:06:28] <independent> you can chose to install it also
• 944[09:06:32] <independent> its not only live
• 945[09:06:40] <otisolsen70> frostschutz, smartctl most interesting bits: replaced-url
• 946[09:06:49] <ksk> independent: if you want to "learn about linux" do not use the image you linked, use one of the serious linux distries like Debian, Ubuntu, Centos, whatnot.
• 947[09:06:57] <nvz> yeah, you can also install debian.. which has apache2, nginx, lighttpd, just to name a few
• 948[09:07:11] <frostschutz> otisolsen70, reallocated and unreadable sectors ... you'll need a new one
• 949[09:07:12] <independent> ksk: I built this repo
• 950[09:07:17] <independent> I am just learning
• 951[09:07:18] <otisolsen70> frostschutz, ok
• 952[09:07:23] <nvz> and doesn't reqiuire you to build an ISO
• 953[09:07:31] <ksk> So you are the weirdo? :D
• 954[09:07:58] <independent> Im
• 955[09:08:03] <ksk> "a linux beginner" and "kali" is always a red flag somehow :P
• 956[09:08:19] <independent> its not for hacking but testing
• 957[09:08:29] <independent> and make hacking tutorials
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• 960[09:09:26] <frostschutz> otisolsen70, if you have a free sata port, add the new disk as /dev/sdc, then use mdadm --add /dev/md2 /dev/sdc4 to add, and mdadm /dev/md2 --replace /dev/sdb4 to replace the sdb. that way sdb can still help during the rebuild, for higher chance of success
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• 962[09:09:47] <independent> replaced-url
• 963[09:09:52] <independent> my first tutorial
• 964[09:09:53] <nvz> otisolsen70: so you just have a faulty disk on a lil 60G mirror raid.. shouldnt be too painful..
• 965[09:10:09] <otisolsen70> nvz, the disk is 3 TB
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• 968[09:10:59] <nvz> ah.. well that seemed to only show a 60G partition
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• 971[09:11:53] <otisolsen70> nvz, yes, the partition is a small one (/) but the disks are big
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• 975[09:14:11] <nvz> idk, *whips out his disk* looks about the same size as mine :D
• 976[09:14:41] <nvz> I think you are just a lil full of yourself.. its a rather average disk size :P
• 977[09:16:13] <independent> are we talking about disks?
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• 979[09:16:28] <nvz> !qotd157
• 980[09:16:28] <dpkg> < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp.
• 981[09:16:36] <nvz> I think so :D
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• 984[09:17:27] <independent> How is my explanation in this video? replaced-url
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• 991[09:20:15] <nvz> @.@
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• 994[09:21:12] <independent> She makes my disk full
• 995[09:21:26] <nvz> ,i key-mon
• 996[09:21:27] <judd> Package key-mon (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Utility to show live keyboard and mouse status. Version: 1.17-1; Size: 86.9k; Installed: 2763k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 998[09:21:52] <nvz> ,i screenkey
• 999[09:21:53] <judd> Package screenkey (python, optional) in buster/amd64: screencast tool to display your keystrokes. Version: 0.9-2; Size: 41.4k; Installed: 211k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1000[09:23:25] <nvz> independent: fwiw you're little more than a troll here, and way off topic. You could've just as easily done all this in debian
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• 1002[09:23:59] <independent> yeah but kali is a much more complete set of hacking tools
• 1003[09:24:09] <independent> and I want to teach people how to hack
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• 1005[09:24:38] <nvz> yeah, well good luck with that.
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• 1011[09:27:30] <independent> [03:23:56] <independent> yeah but kali is a much more complete set of hacking tools
• 1012[09:27:30] <independent> [03:24:06] <independent> and I want to teach people how to hack
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• 1256[13:58:39] <diogenes_> !CVE-2020-10713
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• 1258[14:02:06] <ratrace> old news. fixed, broken, and re-fixed with last saturday's 10.5 bump
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• 1262[14:03:47] <diogenes_> ratrace, thanks, just to make sure and congrats for the Debian security team because Debian was one of the first to fix it.
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• 1271[14:07:05] <ratrace> diogenes_: it was coordinated disclosure among several distros
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• 1275[14:11:23] <spithash> !CVE-2020-10713
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• 1277[14:11:39] <spithash> thought there was a bot trigger
• 1278[14:12:02] <diogenes_> spithash, there used to be but i can't remember the correct factoid :)
• 1279[14:12:04] <RoyK> spithash: diogenes_ just tried 13 minutes ago
• 1280[14:12:51] <spithash> RoyK: yea I know but I assumed the bot would reply in notice
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• 1285[14:18:24] <ratrace> !cve lookup CVE-2020-10713
• 1286[14:18:24] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory CVE-2020-10713 may be found at replaced-url
• 1287[14:19:00] <spithash> there we go :) thanks ratrace
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• 1290[14:23:35] <jelly> ! 10.5
• 1291[14:23:35] <dpkg> Debian 10.5 was released on Aug 1, 2020. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive.. Further details are at replaced-url
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• 1295[14:25:43] <spithash> is this bot an eggdrop or some python based releae?
• 1296[14:25:54] <spithash> release*
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• 1299[14:30:30] <bendem> Antoine|, yes
• 1300[14:30:37] <bendem> and sorry for the delay
• 1301[14:30:57] <bendem> -m1 means you have a mirror of the data so data is on 2 disks
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• 1306[14:32:45] <jelly> our dpkg is an infobot, perl code
• 1307[14:33:20] <jelly> there's a plugin/module for limnoria supporting (most of?) the infobot factoid database syntax
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• 1309[14:33:33] <jelly> dpkg, your factoids
• 1310[14:33:33] <dpkg> You can search my database on the web at replaced-url
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• 1320[14:41:41] <spithash> jelly: oh I'm using limnoria so that would be great to find a similar
• 1321[14:41:42] <spithash> thanks
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• 1366[15:22:25] <g0zzy> I'm doing ssh -R 2222:localhost:22 $HOSTNAME. I would like to do another forwarding ( ssh -R 6900:localhost:5900) at the same time. Is that possible?
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• 1372[15:26:04] <oxek> gordonfish: sure. Check out the -N flag too
• 1373[15:26:35] <g0zzy> Right ...
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• 1376[15:28:47] <haba713> hi! i'm upgrading a vpn vm from stretch to buster but buster has no packages strongswan-ike, strongswan-ikev1 and strongswan-ikev2: replaced-url
• 1377[15:28:50] <g0zzy> Ah great. Didn't know about -N. So rather than worry about how to do two forwards in one command, i could actually run two commands with -N. I wonder if two fowards are actually possible in one command though?
• 1378[15:29:44] <haba713> are strongswan ike features now included in another package / packages ?
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• 1383[15:32:43] <oxek> g0zzy: you can specify -R multiple times
• 1384[15:33:37] <haba713> replaced-url
• 1385[15:33:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1386[15:33:46] <g0zzy> Ah OK. That could be be useful as actually -N doesn't return so i'd have to run the first command in the background to get the second in.
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• 1388[15:33:56] <oxek> ssh -N -R 2222:localhost:4444 -R 3333:localhost:6666 $HOSTNAME
• 1389[15:34:10] <cybercrypto> ,v strongswan
• 1390[15:34:11] <judd> Package: strongswan on amd64 -- jessie: 5.2.1-6+deb8u6; jessie-security: 5.2.1-6+deb8u8; stretch: 5.5.1-4+deb9u4; stretch-security: 5.5.1-4+deb9u4; buster: 5.7.2-1; bullseye: 5.8.4-1; sid: 5.8.4-1
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• 1392[15:34:28] <oxek> g0zzy: ssh -N ... &
• 1393[15:34:49] <cybercrypto> ,v strongswan-ike
• 1394[15:34:50] <judd> Package: strongswan-ike on amd64 -- jessie: 5.2.1-6+deb8u6; jessie-security: 5.2.1-6+deb8u8; stretch: 5.5.1-4+deb9u4; stretch-security: 5.5.1-4+deb9u4
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• 1396[15:35:08] <g0zzy> Yes
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• 1401[15:37:20] <gordonfish> "<oxek> gordonfish: sure. Check out the -N flag too" ; Well I do fancy them N flags
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• 1404[15:37:29] <gordonfish> :)
• 1405[15:38:04] <gordonfish> (Yeah I know that wasn't meant for me)
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• 1407[15:40:12] <g0zzy> oxek: Thanks
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• 1438[16:10:16] <Doxin> what are the tracker-store, tracker-miner-fs, tracker-extract processes, and how do I get them to not lock up my entire PC for 30s every boot due to IO-usage?
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• 1440[16:11:04] <diogenes_> Doxin, it's a sort of file indexer that uses a lot of CPU i always disable them so disable them from the startup.
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• 1445[16:11:35] <Doxin> diogenes_: how?
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• 1448[16:12:52] <diogenes_> Doxin,vwhat DE?
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• 1450[16:13:22] <Doxin> diogenes_: nothing entirely coherent, bunch of gnome bits and bobs, with I3 as WM.
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• 1452[16:14:27] <diogenes_> Doxin, run: ls ~/.config/autostart
• 1453[16:14:32] <diogenes_> is there any trackers?
• 1454[16:14:59] <Doxin> nope, redshift is in there but that's old crud from long ago
• 1455[16:15:43] <diogenes_> Doxin, then: ls /etc/xdg/autostart
• 1456[16:16:30] <Doxin> no trackers in there either
• 1457[16:16:44] <greycat> If it's running right now, use ps to see what it's parent process is.
• 1458[16:16:57] <greycat> s/it's/its/
• 1459[16:17:08] <greycat> Damn, I'm getting old and stupid. :(
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• 1461[16:18:17] <Doxin> it is currently running
• 1462[16:18:33] <Doxin> lemme google how to find the parent process
• 1463[16:18:46] <greycat> It's in the "ps -ef" output format.
• 1464[16:19:16] <diogenes_> Doxin, also: systemctl list-units | grep -i track
• 1465[16:19:29] <Doxin> diogenes_: empty output
• 1466[16:19:39] <Doxin> greycat: its not in that output at all, never mind the parent process
• 1467[16:19:54] <greycat> did it just stop running? ouch.
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• 1470[16:20:16] <Doxin> greycat: it's there if I "ps aux"
• 1471[16:20:21] <diogenes_> Doxin, if it's gnome then you're unlucky because it's backed-in so there is no option as far as i remember.
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• 1473[16:20:45] <Doxin> diogenes_: surely there's a way to make it not just lock everything up though, this is absolutely unworkable as-is
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• 1475[16:23:29] <diogenes_> Doxin, that's Gnome :) and they made it unsusabel.
• 1476[16:23:35] <diogenes_> unusable*
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• 1478[16:24:27] <Doxin> I'm feeling more and more like that's the case. The gnome file manager has similarly annoying bugs. Having too much in your trash makes it take forever to start :I
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• 1483[16:25:51] <diogenes_> Doxin, it's gonna get worse with Gnome because i don't know why but removing features they call "innovation" (something like apple).
• 1484[16:26:11] <greycat> Doxin: well, find its PID by whatever means, then use "ps -fp <pid>" and see the PPID column for the parent process ID. Then use whatever you want to find out what the program is.
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• 1486[16:26:22] <Doxin> ah neat, I managed to murder it to death
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• 1488[16:26:35] <Doxin> for future reference: replaced-url
• 1489[16:26:47] <greycat> The point of finding out the parent is so you can configure it so that it won't *come back*.
• 1490[16:27:00] <Doxin> I'm aware
• 1491[16:27:09] <Doxin> I masked it out in systemd, so it should stay dead
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• 1758[20:44:37] <ThinkDao> Hi all, how to set "turn off" computer when batery is at 5% automatecly ?
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• 1760[20:45:30] <jhutchins> Why isn't there a setting in Chrome (or anything else that I know of) that prevents video clips that are set to "loop" from looping? Why do I have to right-click on EVERY one of them and turn "loop" off?
• 1761[20:46:27] <jhutchins> ThinkDao: That's usually in the DE's Power Manager settings. I'm not sure how to do it if you're not in a GUI.
• 1762[20:46:45] <ThinkDao> jhutchins: yes, I do not have X
• 1763[20:47:27] <greycat> then you'd probably have to find, or create, a service that polls the battery percent every few minutes
• 1764[20:48:23] <jhutchins> I'm getting some good hits on "linux console power management". I'm pretty sure we had it back in the days when not everybody ran X.
• 1765[20:49:15] <greycat> I'm guessing a lot of your hits on "console power management" are for turning off the monitor, or putting it into sleepy mode.
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• 1767[20:50:02] <jhutchins> ThinkDao: replaced-url
• 1768[20:50:17] <sney> solutions will probably involve acpitool and/or the acpi interface which (iirc) is in /proc
• 1769[20:51:00] <jhutchins> sney: I'm pretty sure there are utilities to manage it.
• 1770[20:51:26] <ThinkDao> jhutchins: thanks, I will read it for sure
• 1771[20:51:28] <jhutchins> Of course, in the old pre-X days laptops and power management were less common.
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• 1773[20:54:49] <Betal> I wonder if upower is usefull for this
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• 1775[20:55:16] <greycat> if the battery percent is exposed in some pseudofile in /sys or /proc then it should be *completely* simple to write a daemon that polls that
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• 1777[20:56:00] <greycat> even a cron job that checks and then either exits or issues a warning message or issues a shutdown
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• 1779[20:56:07] <jhutchins> greycat: I'm pretty sure the tools already exist.
• 1780[20:56:22] <greycat> Probably. Finding them might not be any easier than just reinventing them.
• 1781[20:56:29] <jhutchins> True.
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• 1783[20:57:09] <sney> my reference to acpitool was sourced from my own experience having a laptop with linux in ~2005 and using a window manager setup that didn't bring its own power management utilities. I never bothered with auto-suspend, but the rest is there
• 1784[20:57:22] <jhutchins> That arch page has a lot of links that look useful.
• 1785[20:57:58] <jhutchins> I have to say that while I've never used arch, they do seem to work hard at writing good, current documentation.
• 1786[20:58:15] <sney> indeed. that wiki comes in handy all the time.
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• 1807[21:26:23] <cybrNaut> mounts on /media/usb0 are not giving write permission to a user who inserts arbitrary media. What's wrong with this fstab entry? => "/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto,nosuid,nodev 0 0"
• 1808[21:27:05] <cybrNaut> if i were to hardcode the fstab file for vfat, then I would add a umask=0007, (or uid= and gid= for ext fs), but i don't think i can do that when the filesysetem is arbitrary
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• 1811[21:28:46] <cybrNaut> (btw, the debian stock line didn't have "nosuid,nodev".. i added those for security)
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• 1834[21:59:13] <ratrace> cybrNaut: "user" already implies nosuid and nodev (beside noexec). as for write permission, your fstab entry doesn't do that. the filesystem on the media needs to be owned by the user.
• 1835[21:59:28] <ratrace> (or the fs itself has to give write permission to the user who mounted)
• 1836[22:00:05] <ratrace> ie. the "user" option only allows non-root user to mount. doesn't chmod nor chown the mountpoint
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• 1838[22:02:57] <mason> Is there a standard LiveCD for 10.5? I've found the non-free-firmware one, but not the official image.
• 1839[22:03:21] <mason> Which is to say, I'd like to find the official equivalent of replaced-url
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• 1844[22:04:10] <nkuttler> mason: how about replaced-url
• 1845[22:04:14] <mason> duh, never mind - backtracked and found them at replaced-url
• 1846[22:04:53] <mason> nkuttler: That'd work too. Where's that linked from, out of curiosity?
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• 1849[22:05:36] <mason> Again, never mind, linked from replaced-url
• 1850[22:05:41] <mason> I'm clearly blind today.
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• 1853[22:10:01] <cybrNaut> ratrace: i appreciate the feedback. In the case at hand, the usb drive has a vfat fs on it, and the user is not getting write perms. I suppose if the drive were an ext fs there would be no problem b/c that filesystem has a concept of an owner
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• 1857[22:13:06] <ratrace> cybrNaut: try adding umask=0000 to the mount options
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• 1860[22:14:57] <ratrace> cybrNaut: actually, should be possible also to use uid= and gid= options if the user is always the same
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• 1870[22:24:47] <cybrNaut> ratrace: are you saying filesystem-specific mount options will work with the arbitrary "auto" filesystem?
• 1871[22:26:52] <cybrNaut> apparently filesystem-specific options can't be used. The line is now "/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto,umask=0007 0 0" and it still does not give group write perms
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• 1877[22:28:32] <cybrNaut> oh shit.. it does work. I have to use both gid=$GID AND umask=0007 together. That's bizarre
• 1878[22:28:54] <cybrNaut> gid= is normally illegal on a vfat mount
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• 1881[22:31:28] <cybrNaut> ah, sorry, it's normal to use gid and umask together on vfat. i just hope mount is smart enough to ignore those options if an ext fs drive is inserted
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• 1908[23:01:01] <RoyK> cybrNaut: well, FAT is mostly a 30+ years old filesystem written for MSDOS and the only positive thing I can think of saying about it, is that it doesn't take many lines of code to implement it. I did that once in the early ninetees, writing my own bootloader and basic support for FAT, in assembly, just for kicks. Modern filesystems are a bit better to be a bit diplomatic. NTFS is still shite as well,
• 1909[23:01:07] <RoyK> although not even close to the dripping brown stuff from FAT
• 1910[23:02:42] <RoyK> 43 years old, actually, although they have patched it up with different extensions and so on over the years
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• 1926[23:18:51] <cybrNaut> RoyK: if my TV could handle ext fs, what user and group ID should the files have?
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• 1928[23:20:20] <cybrNaut> i recall that exFAT was "too new" for my Roku, and my TV was made around the same time as the Roku (2014)
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• 1931[23:25:26] <RoyK> cybrNaut: fat doesn't have that sort of thing, but you can specify it in the mount options as in fstab or on the commandline
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• 1940[23:33:26] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Is there a way I can somehow add xfs_repair to the rescue environment?
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• 1942[23:35:08] <Pegasus_RPG> There is xfsprogs-udeb but I don't know how to install it. (apt install doesn't work in the installer env.)
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• 1944[23:36:20] <sney> from expert mode in the installer you can select extra udebs. it might be possible from the text console too but I don't know the comman
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• 1947[23:37:31] <Pegasus_RPG> Can I boot into rescue expert mode? Or do I do Expert, then stop after detecting disks?
• 1948[23:38:57] <sney> I haven't looked at those menus in a couple years. certainly the second works
• 1949[23:40:01] <mason> Pegasus_RPG: You can always download a live image and use that, adding in whatever you need.
• 1950[23:40:45] <Pegasus_RPG> mason: I have a netinst.iso. Other than mounting it and adding the udeb file, what else would I have to do to make it work?
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• 1952[23:41:24] <mason> Pegasus_RPG: You want one of the live images: replaced-url
• 1953[23:41:40] <Pegasus_RPG> oh gotcha
• 1954[23:41:50] <mason> They're quite useful.
• 1955[23:42:03] <mason> I'm a particular fan of the "standard" image - no GUI.
• 1956[23:42:09] <Pegasus_RPG> I'm doing this remotely over a serial console, so hopefully the live ones will work too
• 1957[23:42:14] <Pegasus_RPG> ah yes
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• 1962[23:51:02] <Pegasus_RPG> How do I switch between the screens listed at the top of the installer?
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• 1965[23:59:16] <sney> from expert mode iirc you hit cancel at any of the dialogs and it'll drop you into a menu
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