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• 90[00:25:34] <mystic> I'm in the debian room
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• 106[00:29:46] <HicksD> SerajewelKS: a nas is prob the best way to go, but you could also consider putting hdd mounting bays into the PC. Then you plug in/remove drives as you need. Some are hot swappable, but I wouldn't really trust hot swapping.
• 107[00:30:04] <petn-randall> mystic: congrats
• 108[00:30:50] <mystic> Thanks bro
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• 116[00:33:31] <petn-randall> mystic: Do you have a Debian support question?
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• 118[00:34:52] <mystic> is debian a good os to gently learn deeper linux? if i wanted to move away from gui
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• 129[00:37:30] <petn-randall> mystic: Sure, though you can still use a GUI in Debian.
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• 132[00:38:07] <mystic> debian is barebones linux?
• 133[00:38:40] <petn-randall> You can always install a minimal system, if that's your question.
• 134[00:39:13] <mystic> waas just curious.. now i have ubuntu working.. might want to tinker with other os in virtualbox.. set it up and see what i can learn
• 135[00:39:21] <Soo_Slow> how can you make some application load by typing its name in terminal? (e.g without full path to its executable). Like 'ls' or 'gimp' or something
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• 142[00:42:54] <abrotman> Soo_Slow: they would be in your path
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• 144[00:43:02] <abrotman> echo $PATH
• 145[00:43:44] <dgp> mystic: no. "barebones" linux fits a kernel and userland in a few megabytes
• 146[00:44:04] <mystic> whats kernal and userland
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• 183[01:00:20] <Soo_Slow> abrotman, thanks
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• 237[01:35:31] <martigan> Hey trying to set up a wireless ap with airbase-ng and dnsmasq for dhcp, when I try to connect to the ap it wont assign an ip and just keeps repeating the same output as you can see here paste.debian.net/1098331. Have been messing with this all day and can't figure it out.
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• 249[01:43:22] <magic_ninja> I think I'm going to go to unstable
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• 254[01:56:03] <emOne> debian guys need to convince ubuntu guys to make the ubuntu terminal as pretty as debian terminal
• 255[01:56:07] <emOne> kthxbye
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• 257[01:58:57] <annadane> okay. *shrug*
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• 259[01:59:08] <annadane> debian has multiple terminals, you know?
• 260[01:59:26] <mystic> only if debain makes the guis as pretty as ubuntus
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• 262[02:00:09] <black_13> is there a way to make an application the main application of a linux system instead of say xini
• 263[02:00:48] <ZaZaGX> em0ne, actually debian guys are boring. we like things boring, not pretty
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• 266[02:01:25] <mystic> you all have boring wives too ?
• 267[02:01:50] <ZaZaGX> yes
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• 269[02:02:11] <mystic> lol.. gives you time to play with the terminal i suppose
• 270[02:02:29] <saptech> we not married
• 271[02:02:37] <mystic> even better
• 272[02:02:54] <ZaZaGX> debian is more realible and stable than Ubuntu too
• 273[02:03:04] <ZaZaGX> thats how we like our relationships
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• 275[02:03:23] <mystic> ubutu looks great tho.. so what if it all comes crashing down in the morning
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• 277[02:04:02] <ZaZaGX> ubuntu is pretty but is unstable sometimes
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• 279[02:04:11] <saptech> debian will still come up in the morning
• 280[02:04:20] <ZaZaGX> i dumped ubuntu for debian
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• 282[02:05:08] <ZaZaGX> ubuntu 19.04 would once in a while freeze up on me
• 283[02:05:10] <mystic> debian does nothing for me. she doesnt even try to stimulate ,e
• 284[02:05:13] <mystic> me*
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• 286[02:05:29] <ZaZaGX> mystic, you have ot stimulate yourself
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• 288[02:06:16] <mystic> 18.04 is pretty stable over all.. and she has them looks & curves. im not ready for a cerebral relationship yet
• 289[02:08:35] <ZaZaGX> 18.04 corrupts my firefox, and mess up my screen and than i can't connect to the wifi
• 290[02:10:07] <mystic> I don't get them issues. She's a hard mistress, but you know you love the things she does to you
• 291[02:10:45] <ZaZaGX> miles will vary for each machine i suppose
• 292[02:11:07] <ZaZaGX> i think ubuntu 20.04 LTS would work for my machine. but its not here yet
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• 294[02:12:05] <mystic> yea, i skipped 19... i tried it but it was trash. let the beta testers suffer it
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• 299[02:13:22] <ZaZaGX> debian is like taylor swift
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• 301[02:15:07] <mystic> i dont know anything abotu taylor swift either so i see your point
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• 303[02:18:18] <ZaZaGX> i'm not sure what to do online
• 304[02:19:43] <ZaZaGX> is there any fun debian games?
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• 307[02:23:41] <saptech> taylor swift, heh
• 308[02:24:02] <mystic> taylor swift simulator
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• 311[02:24:35] <saptech> she's nothing but skin & bones
• 312[02:24:59] <ZaZaGX> skin is good
• 313[02:25:40] <lucifargundam> saptech: i thought you were going to say something about her breaking up with guys
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• 316[02:25:52] <mystic> i'll google taylor swfit nude
• 317[02:26:08] <lucifargundam> originally, i thought you said taydolf swifler
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• 319[02:26:51] <ZaZaGX> you can ask her to netflix and chill
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• 321[02:27:23] <mystic> i'm going to bed
• 322[02:29:36] <mystic> dont try to stop me
• 323[02:29:59] <ZaZaGX> don't go to sleep mystic!!
• 324[02:30:32] <mystic> no, it wont work i have to go, stop trying to keep me here
• 325[02:30:45] <ZaZaGX> how else are we going to talk about our favorite operating system?
• 326[02:30:59] <mystic> the commodore 64? good point
• 327[02:31:22] <ZaZaGX> i used to play with that
• 328[02:31:36] <mystic> me too.. any favourite games?
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• 330[02:31:56] <ZaZaGX> i was a kid. i don't remember the names
• 331[02:32:07] <ZaZaGX> i remember taking in command lines to start the games
• 332[02:32:21] <ZaZaGX> taking=typing
• 333[02:32:35] <mystic> shift+runstop
• 334[02:32:40] <mystic> 'press play on tape'
• 335[02:33:40] <mystic> found International Karate +
• 336[02:33:42] <mystic> Loading
• 337[02:33:59] <ZaZaGX> oh i don't remember the cartridges really
• 338[02:34:06] <ZaZaGX> i remember the big floppy disks
• 339[02:34:29] <mystic> i had cassettes only... the agony
• 340[02:35:05] <ZaZaGX> i think i had the Commodore 1541 Floppy Drive
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• 342[02:35:43] <mystic> state of the art system you had
• 343[02:36:14] <mystic> plus of course the four channel sid chip, 16 colours... better than xbox
• 344[02:36:50] <ZaZaGX> i remmeber donkey kong, double dragon, q*bert
• 345[02:37:03] <ZaZaGX> old school donkey kong
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• 347[02:38:20] <mystic> yea.. or chuckie egg, uridium, elite...
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• 349[02:38:50] <ZaZaGX> i remember old school donkey kong was realy hard
• 350[02:39:37] <mystic> you had a josytick ?
• 351[02:39:40] <ZaZaGX> yup
• 352[02:40:06] <mystic> dig it out and get practicing
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• 354[02:40:25] <ZaZaGX> i loved the hammer, it was invincible
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• 357[02:40:40] <ZaZaGX> oh yeah, that reminds me, i loved dig dug
• 358[02:40:57] <mystic> sounds like you like platform games
• 359[02:41:33] <ZaZaGX> i don't play anymore games
• 360[02:41:43] <ZaZaGX> i had a orginal nintendo switch twice! i sold it twice
• 361[02:42:13] <mystic> get a c64 emulator, some good ones around. its funny playing the old games. bruce lee was a good old platformer on c64
• 362[02:42:29] <ZaZaGX> i like the turbograx16
• 363[02:42:36] <ZaZaGX> miltary madness
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• 365[02:43:19] <ZaZaGX> military
• 366[02:43:29] <mystic> replaced-url
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• 368[02:43:45] <ZaZaGX> OMG
• 369[02:44:37] <mystic> replaced-url
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• 371[02:45:22] <ZaZaGX> i remember that game was so hard
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• 373[02:46:12] <LtL> mystic: I see you got banned in ##linux
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• 375[02:46:35] <mystic> for how long?
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• 378[02:49:05] <mystic> replaced-url
• 379[02:51:26] <ZaZaGX> nice, i remember playing that too! i didn't like that game because my older brother kept kicking my butt
• 380[02:52:07] <mystic> thats the idea of the game !
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• 386[02:53:55] <ZaZaGX> i remember playing this olympic games
• 387[02:54:25] <ZaZaGX> i had to flop that joystick back and forth really fast and i got a arm workout
• 388[02:54:35] <mystic> summer games?
• 389[02:54:54] <ZaZaGX> i think so
• 390[02:54:58] <mystic> i ahd summer games 2 and winter game sand worlrd games & california games
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• 392[02:55:25] <mystic> replaced-url
• 393[02:55:27] <mystic> good game
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• 396[02:56:07] <ZaZaGX> i remember being so sweaty
• 397[02:56:36] <mystic> lol\
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• 399[02:57:11] <ZaZaGX> swimming was hard too
• 400[02:57:35] * dgp guess you guys are lucky one of the stricter ops isn't around..
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• 404[02:57:57] <mystic> replaced-url
• 405[02:58:04] <mystic> lol.. this was good too
• 406[02:58:31] <ZaZaGX> who is the other ops?
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• 408[02:59:57] * user99 thinks buster is busted
• 409[03:00:21] <ZaZaGX> oh how so user99?
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• 412[03:01:21] <user99> well if I intall from a liveDVD 9,5 it works fine and will upgrade....good resolution...
• 413[03:01:47] <ZaZaGX> 9,5?
• 414[03:01:50] <mystic> ciao ciao
• 415[03:02:01] <mystic> ;)
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• 418[03:02:16] <user99> but if I go with a 10 live DVD Rs780 doesn't load get no display rez much...won't update and wants to fsck and shit
• 419[03:02:34] <ZaZaGX> oh no
• 420[03:03:08] <user99> none will let me install lvm
• 421[03:03:15] <user99> encrypted or no
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• 425[03:05:40] <annadane> user99, maybe try installing using the actual installer
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• 427[03:05:43] <annadane> not the live image
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• 430[03:07:06] <LtL> user99: a word of advice, some get by installing from a live image but I highly recommend you choose a normal dvd image, perhaps with firmware would be wise.
• 431[03:08:54] <user99> # deb cdrom:[Official Debian GNU/Linux Live 9.5.0 gnome 2018-07-14T18:02]/ stretch main
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• 436[03:09:44] <Oksana> I run 'objdump -T /usr/lib64/libXext.so.6 | grep XGetRequest' and get '0000000000000000 DF *UND*0000000000000000 XGetRequest'. Why? I have an application not starting due to 'symbol lookup error: /usr/lib64/libXext.so.6: undefined symbol: _XGetRequest'
• 437[03:10:14] <user99> LtL, annadane I used a minimal image as well and d'loaded the l;atest no luck
• 438[03:10:41] <user99> been at this over a week
• 439[03:10:43] <SerajewelKS> HicksD: hotswap works fine on sata. problem is i have no more physical space in the machine and no more sata ports
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• 441[03:10:57] <SerajewelKS> HicksD: i can add a pcie sata controller but that doesn't fix the lack of physical space
• 442[03:11:10] <SerajewelKS> i may have to go with an iscsi nas or something. more than i was wanting to spend, though...
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• 444[03:12:24] <user99> I can have a gentoo on it in a few hours but on this cpu it would take forever
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• 451[03:16:46] <user99> david@deb-wrks:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Processor
• 452[03:16:46] <user99> model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4850e
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• 455[03:19:21] <annadane> user99, are you on a laptop?
• 456[03:19:32] <annadane> i would, as SerajewelKS suggested, use the actual installer with non free firmware
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• 458[03:20:05] <user99> anandane, no ...built this thing yeas ago
• 459[03:21:24] <annadane> okay. then i don't know
• 460[03:21:32] <jvava> dears, I upgrade debian from stretch to buster, each startup it say need gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0, I installed it, but still complain, and some extension such as taskbar does not work, any idea?
• 461[03:21:42] <user99> I did not try the installer with the firmware...and that may resolve the display issue
• 462[03:22:23] <user99> however....when it does the system update my disks freeze reboot and fsck with lost inodes
• 463[03:22:52] <user99> and it never recovers...think I'll run stretch thanks
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• 473[03:30:21] <DracoSentien> w00t I am running Debian the first time since Debian Etch and before that Debian Slink. I think Debian is my found again favorite distro.
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• 475[03:30:34] <DracoSentien> Solid, stable, fast lots of packages
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• 477[03:31:37] <jvava> yes
• 478[03:31:49] <jvava> but this buster does not work
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• 480[03:32:06] <DracoSentien> jvava: in what way ?
• 481[03:32:49] <jvava> each time started, it complains that need libgtop, gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0, but I did install them
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• 485[03:34:01] <jvava> and a handful of app does not work, such as extension taskbar, synergy, though if I select gnome-org when login
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• 487[03:34:28] <jvava> DracoSentien: I upgrade it from stretch
• 488[03:34:36] <DracoSentien> jvava: Debian Buster works for me and I have 1849 packages installed
• 489[03:34:54] <DracoSentien> jvava: just backup your home partition then reinstall Debian it is that simple
• 490[03:35:22] <jvava> DracoSentien, I will try, thank you
• 491[03:35:45] <DracoSentien> no problem
• 492[03:37:01] <jvava> I still am afraid of wayland does not support some extensions
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• 494[03:39:28] <DracoSentien> I don't use gnome but even the older derived MATE and Englightenment 22 worked fine for me. I have MATE setup to look like MacOSX and I have libwayland etc... installed
• 495[03:39:38] <DracoSentien> oops
• 496[03:39:44] <DracoSentien> Enlightenment rather
• 497[03:40:03] <DracoSentien> gnome feels bloated to me even compared to kde
• 498[03:40:34] <user99> I'm using wayland and gnome...but I think it's 3.4 in buster I think it's 3.3
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• 500[03:43:00] <user99> nope says Gnome 3.22.2
• 501[03:44:53] <Soo_Slow> what does /media/ mount point during disk setup means? What s the purpose of it?
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• 504[03:47:55] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: it means like the disk you burned the ISO image to is mounted or maybe the usb disk with firmware is mounted etc.. I am guessing
• 505[03:48:02] <magic_ninja> I wonder when kde will be updated on testing.
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• 508[03:48:27] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: or cd-rom but newer laptops don't have DVD/CDs roms
• 509[03:48:55] <scottj> Is there a way to see what packages I would need to compile a given package?
• 510[03:49:13] <annadane> scottj, apt build-dep <package>
• 511[03:49:26] <annadane> scottj, or if the package is on github read their descriptions
• 512[03:49:37] <Soo_Slow> DracoSentien, but what if I need some partition to contain my own data, accessible for all users? (e.g not /home/). Should I setup any mount point for such partition, or just format it and leave be as is?
• 513[03:49:37] <annadane> scottj, the shell will generally complain what you're missing if you don't have it
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• 515[03:49:44] <LtL> scottj: the build-essential package should cover everything needed to compile
• 516[03:49:55] <annadane> oh, really?
• 517[03:50:48] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: I dunno what you mean what you are talking about sounds like NFS
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• 520[03:51:53] <DracoSentien> NFS == Network File System
• 521[03:52:34] <Soo_Slow> but its located on the very same physical drive
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• 523[03:53:22] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: basically, you probably don't want to touch the mounted media drives when you are partitioning your main hard drive or SSD drive to go back to your original question
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• 527[03:54:52] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: I not to setup it's own partition I would just change permissions on a directory after install
• 528[03:55:53] <DracoSentien> but you don't want to do it from home but I would do it in /usr/local then
• 529[03:55:57] <Soo_Slow> lets say I have 1TB HDD. One ext2 partition of like 500mbytes goes for grub. One ext4 of 50GB - for /root. One ext4 of 20GB - for /home. But the rest should turn into one huge ext4 partition, accessible for every user on machine. And I wonder if I should anyhow specify its mount point, or just format it and call it a day
• 530[03:55:58] <DracoSentien> or something like that
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• 536[03:56:52] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: Sounds like a weird use case. /usr/local/everyone partition maybe ?
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• 539[03:57:26] <DracoSentien> then just tweak the permissions after install
• 540[03:57:53] <DracoSentien> personally I would put it under /home
• 541[03:58:26] <Soo_Slow> DracoSentien, why weird? $HOME is overrated - almost every application poops there their configs and have access to its content. Its only logical to use some other place to store data, at this point
• 542[03:59:23] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: nevermind it is not weird /usr/local/everyone sounds good to me
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• 544[04:00:23] <Soo_Slow> plus in case something will go wrong or you will wanna change your setup completely - stuff stored in separated partition will stay 'as is'. While stuff inside $HOME will need to go tru some work. I've had one partition for everything (root, home, etc) - it was disaster when something has broke and I've lost ability to boot up properly
• 545[04:00:51] <user99> \_('-')-/
• 546[04:01:06] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: well do you have some problem with using /usr/local then ? I already suggested that like three times now
• 547[04:01:40] <Soo_Slow> DracoSentien, yeah, I've heard you. Sounds fine to me, probably. Thanks - will check if it will do
• 548[04:02:01] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: that is the sane thing to do IMHO
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• 609[05:01:30] <jvava> Is buster named from bustard? what's benefit of it?
• 610[05:01:52] <dvs> !buster
• 611[05:01:52] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
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• 614[05:02:28] <jvava> is there a easy way to degrade it to stretch?
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• 616[05:02:40] <dvs> !downgrade
• 617[05:02:40] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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• 619[05:03:29] <jvava> !rollback
• 620[05:04:21] <jvava> dpkg: how about wayland?
• 621[05:04:22] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. replaced-url
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• 623[05:05:20] <jvava> that is what, I just don't know how.
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• 654[06:14:30] <thadtheman> What command do I use to get the name of the source package of an apt package?
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• 670[06:34:31] <saptech> thadtheman, good question
• 671[06:34:44] <saptech> do you want to install it or search for it first?
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• 673[06:35:17] <saptech> "apt-get source packagename" will install the source pkg to build
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• 675[06:36:50] <thadtheman> saptech: I don't want to install I just want the name.
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• 678[06:38:06] <saptech> I can't figure how to do it
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• 696[06:58:52] <CleymSpaze> thadtheman: i would assume "apt-cache showsrc <package>" but "apt --help", "apt-cache help" and the related man pages will tell
• 697[06:59:35] <CleymSpaze> you need the source repositories enabled for that to work
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• 725[07:23:46] <sa-ghosts> why is the Confirmation code in replaced-url
• 726[07:24:16] <CrazyTux> how can I install packages with newer versions on Debian 10?
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• 732[07:28:27] <darxmurf> morning
• 733[07:28:31] <ZaZaGX> hi
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• 738[07:34:59] <blakula> Hello, how much time does it generally take for a package to arrive in stable repo after it has been released, xfce4.14 in this case :)
• 739[07:35:29] <annadane> xfce 4.14 won't ever be in buster unless it's backported
• 740[07:35:35] <annadane> you'll have to wait for bullseye in 2021
• 741[07:35:52] <blakula> omg really? why is that?
• 742[07:36:02] <annadane> because stable means frozen
• 743[07:36:13] <CleymSpaze> time to squash bugs
• 744[07:36:14] <annadane> stable = "stable"
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• 746[07:37:17] <blakula> i guess i'll just install it from unstable :)
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• 748[07:37:39] <annadane> if you're on stable that will pull in a bunch of dependencies, so i wouldn't do that
• 749[07:37:56] <annadane> either use full unstable or live with xfce 4.12 for now, or compile xfce 4.14 yourself
• 750[07:38:04] <alkisg> He left...
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• 752[07:38:24] <ZaZaGX> lol
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• 755[07:38:50] <annadane> should i just memoserv...
• 756[07:39:04] <CleymSpaze> why would you run after him?
• 757[07:39:19] <annadane> so he doesn't break his system *shrug*
• 758[07:39:23] <CleymSpaze> hehe
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• 760[07:39:31] <ZaZaGX> maybe she likes him
• 761[07:39:42] <CleymSpaze> maybe its time for another maybe :)
• 762[07:39:54] <annadane> well, whatever. laziness has prevailed
• 763[07:40:04] <annadane> luckily reinstalling isn't hard
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• 765[07:40:53] <CleymSpaze> one reason why we put /home in an extra partition
• 766[07:41:01] <CrazyTux> anyone here who is using or has used mx linux as well as debian stable?
• 767[07:41:14] <CleymSpaze> !meta
• 768[07:41:32] <CleymSpaze> ah, meta is undefined. i find that funny
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• 770[07:41:53] <CrazyTux> is mx linux as stable and secure as debian stable?
• 771[07:41:54] <CleymSpaze> !anyone
• 772[07:41:54] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 773[07:42:16] <CleymSpaze> there you go
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• 776[07:42:42] <CrazyTux> mx linux is based on debian stable. But, it contains packages with newer versions also.
• 777[07:42:56] <CleymSpaze> what do you try to achieve by asking such questions?
• 778[07:43:04] <annadane> it's a perfectly valid question
• 779[07:43:04] <CrazyTux> how can I install packages with newer versions on debian 10?
• 780[07:43:27] <CleymSpaze> now, yes. the questions before: no
• 781[07:43:32] <CrazyTux> for example libre office, firefox etc.
• 782[07:43:35] <annadane> using debian 10, not mx linux? replaced-url
• 783[07:43:49] <CleymSpaze> so that you can google for him, i see
• 784[07:43:50] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
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• 786[07:43:56] <annadane> firefox specifically, you can just download from mozilla if you want mainline firefox as opposed to firefox ESR
• 787[07:44:25] <CrazyTux> I wanted the opinion of those using Debian 10. That's why I came here.
• 788[07:44:34] <CleymSpaze> but why?
• 789[07:44:34] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
• 790[07:44:47] <annadane> i have not used both, however you can also try ##linux, maybe someone there has
• 791[07:44:48] <CleymSpaze> what do you try to gain is my question
• 792[07:45:03] <annadane> i have not used both mx linux and debian, i meant
• 793[07:45:15] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
• 794[07:45:31] * CleymSpaze sighs silently
• 795[07:45:38] <CrazyTux> CleymSpaze: newer versions of packages could have newer features.
• 796[07:45:49] <annadane> CleymSpaze, it's a very legitimate question, i don't think it needs further explaining
• 797[07:45:56] <CleymSpaze> CrazyTux: but they are not well tested in many cases
• 798[07:46:25] <CrazyTux> CleymSpaze: what are the disadvantages of using such packages?
• 799[07:46:25] <annadane> i *hear* mx linux is quite good in terms of technical quality but that's as much as i know
• 800[07:46:40] <annadane> and, yes, the newer packages or software of anything isn't necessarily better
• 801[07:46:46] <annadane> depends on one's use case
• 802[07:46:56] <CrazyTux> CleymSpaze: I think distros like fedora ship newer versions of packages. But, are they stable and bugfree?
• 803[07:46:56] <CleymSpaze> CrazyTux: go play some with annadane
• 804[07:47:01] <CleymSpaze> i am out
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• 806[07:47:16] <annadane> it totally depends on the package
• 807[07:47:24] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
• 808[07:47:27] <annadane> free software is generally pretty good technical quality, but it highly depends
• 809[07:47:30] <annadane> !sns
• 810[07:47:30] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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• 813[07:48:10] <CrazyTux> annadane: do you think there is no real reason to use newer packages?
• 814[07:48:35] <annadane> most people using debian stable don't need newer stuff anyway and for the things they do then they can use 1 or 2 newer things rather than having to worry about upkeep of a system where everything is new
• 815[07:48:39] <CrazyTux> annadane: I am non technical end user. A casual end user. Not a developer.
• 816[07:48:51] <annadane> for the most part, you don't need to
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• 818[07:49:16] <annadane> the only things i'm using newer are the latest firefox (and even that i support i can live without) and WINE
• 819[07:49:24] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok. Does debian have point releases just like Ubuntu LTS and Mint?
• 820[07:49:30] <annadane> there are certainly some disadvantages to older programs sometimes, it just depends
• 821[07:49:34] <annadane> yes, it does
• 822[07:49:45] <annadane> s/support/suppose
• 823[07:49:52] <annadane> why is my typing so bad lately...
• 824[07:50:02] <CrazyTux> annadane: can you please elaborate on this concept of point releases?
• 825[07:50:50] <annadane> so it's mostly good for the people who maintain offline copies of debian systems but essentially it's a culmination of security/bug fixes between point releases
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• 827[07:51:05] <annadane> !point release
• 828[07:51:06] <dpkg> Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. If you track security updates regularly (as you should!) there will often be no updates for you in the point release. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "apt update && apt full-upgrade". There are no point releases for Debian 10 "Buster" yet; see <9.9>. replaced-url
• 829[07:51:07] <CrazyTux> annadane: would you recommend Debian 10 for a Windows user? or would you prefer Mint or Ubuntu for such user?
• 830[07:51:19] <annadane> i would certainly recommend debian, yes
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• 832[07:51:36] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
• 833[07:51:51] <annadane> one caveat is it ships 100% free software by default so if you need non free software like firmware to get your hardware working you'll either have to install it later or use the non free image
• 834[07:52:24] <annadane> debian 10 buster is the current "stable", released july 2019, the next stable will be bullseye, releasing in mid 2021 sometime, and the next point release i believe is next weekend
• 835[07:52:40] <CrazyTux> annadane: actually I have already downloaded an iso file of Debian 10 Mate non free version.
• 836[07:52:42] <annadane> i would certainly subscribe to the debian-announce and debian-security-announce mailing lists
• 837[07:53:04] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
• 838[07:53:04] <annadane> replaced-url
• 839[07:53:46] <CrazyTux> does Debian have any advantage over Mint?
• 840[07:53:52] <ZaZaGX> hmm, maybe a bit difficult to find the wifi drivers for debian for first time users
• 841[07:54:13] <annadane> i believe it's of a general higher technical quality, i don't know too much about mint, i know it's had some issues over the years and then apparently got better
• 842[07:54:42] <CrazyTux> ok
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• 844[07:55:20] <alkisg> The worst thing about Mint is that it doesn't respect the debian poilcy, it writes whatever it wants in /etc and then has to provide an apt wrapper just to prevent `apt full-upgrade` from breaking the system
• 845[07:56:07] <alkisg> So for example `apt --yes full-upgrade` doesn't even work in mint as the wrapper doesn't understand --yes there
• 846[07:56:10] <annadane> there's a lot of "ubuntu sucks, use mint" and "ubuntu is great for me" and i've heard horror stories of both so i've come to conclude they're both bad and debian is the right choice for computer users generally
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• 848[07:57:01] <ilikeyou> annadane: have you tried firefox-developer-edition? I've used it in the past and it has always seemed less buggy and more snappy. I may swap that out for ESR at some point :)
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• 850[07:57:08] <annadane> no
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• 852[07:57:29] <CrazyTux> annadane: I will try Debian 10.
• 853[07:57:54] <annadane> i've considered using ESR and i just concluded the browser is one thing i'd prefer the newer version of
• 854[07:58:00] <annadane> ESR is fine for a lot of people but it kinda lags
• 855[07:58:01] <Haohmaru> ubuntu is just broken and crippled debian
• 856[07:58:07] <annadane> it's obviously better post-quantum
• 857[07:58:15] <annadane> but yeah
• 858[07:58:22] <CrazyTux> ok
• 859[07:58:28] <CrazyTux> will come back later.
• 860[07:58:37] <CrazyTux> thanks for all this info.
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• 863[08:00:25] <annadane> but dev edition, no. i just use the latest stable
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• 868[08:04:02] <magic_ninja_work> I don't get lag with esr
• 869[08:04:22] <magic_ninja_work> Also, I run ubuntu on my laptop and it is great. I run debian on my desktop, and it is great.
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• 872[08:04:54] <magic_ninja_work> Debian doesn't work for crap on this laptop. Neither does manjaro. Sometimes you just get a system that has the wrong set of hardware.
• 873[08:04:55] <annadane> i don't mean lag as in physical lag, just like... new features people you may wan
• 874[08:04:56] <annadane> t
• 875[08:05:02] <adope> debian is the mother of ubuntu
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• 877[08:05:13] <annadane> wow i can't type at ALL
• 878[08:05:18] <annadane> new features people may want*
• 879[08:05:25] <annadane> feature lag, i guess
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• 881[08:06:01] <annadane> it was worse pre quantum when 60 had been out forever and debian users were stuck with 52 but of course the flip side of that is while 60 got faster it also broke people's extensions
• 882[08:06:11] <magic_ninja_work> adope, ubuntu is forked from debian unstable. They take an unstable branch and apply their patches, specific software, kernel, etc. It isn't like they tweak debian. They heavily modify it.
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• 885[08:06:56] <magic_ninja_work> I use the ESR stuff because I use my machines for work and school. I don't have time to tinker with them and deal with stuff breaking. That is why I'm on linux in the first place.
• 886[08:07:08] <annadane> yeah, i hear you. i may switch myself
• 887[08:07:17] <magic_ninja_work> Because of stupid windows updates and such, I switched back over.
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• 889[08:08:02] <magic_ninja_work> Windows 7 was great. I skipped 8, went to 10. 10 was okay, but the forced upgrades just killed it. I can run what I need in a VM and use everything on linux. And honestly, the Linux ecosystem has better software.
• 890[08:08:48] <ilikeyou> Yea those fox updates broke all my extensions, for sure
• 891[08:08:57] <magic_ninja_work> KDE, KDE applications Plasma. I can pretty much keep the same windows work flow. Libre Office, Thunderbird, Okular, Hexchat, Pithos, KDE connect, just amazing software.
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• 893[08:09:35] <magic_ninja_work> And so far I've designed and installed three control systems with this setup.
• 894[08:09:38] <spacekat> :-D linux freedom of choise. It os a good idea to try serveral flavors but remember, when it becomes critical, when you can not affort any downtimes you will be happy to have a rocksolid un breackable debian system it will never let you down
• 895[08:10:24] <magic_ninja_work> This laptop would have debian if it weren't for the hybrid graphics stuff.
• 896[08:10:30] <magic_ninja_work> Ubuntu does it better.
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• 898[08:12:16] <ZaZaGX> debian is pretty stable
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• 900[08:12:39] <ZaZaGX> hasn't crashed on me yet. but i do have to complain about the 2 minute slowdown of powering off
• 901[08:12:48] <annadane> yeah that's a systemd thing probably.
• 902[08:12:53] <annadane> and it can be changed, i just forget how
• 903[08:13:35] <ZaZaGX> i'm not even sure how to google that. or will there be a page for that?
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• 905[08:13:48] <diogenes_> ZaZaGX, hit esc and see what process is keeping it.
• 906[08:14:21] <ZaZaGX> oh ok, it does it sometimes
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• 908[08:14:50] <ZaZaGX> it might be my sophos antivirus
• 909[08:14:57] <magic_ninja_work> You can press F11 while shutting down and see what is holdin gup the process.
• 910[08:15:16] <diogenes_> i also had a delay sometimes and i hit esc and it was showing that cups-browed was keeping the system from shutting down, i disabled it, and it's all fine now.
• 911[08:15:22] <magic_ninja_work> It will stop and display a timer sort of thing and let you know where it is holdin gup.
• 912[08:15:25] <diogenes_> for you it might be a different process.
• 913[08:15:38] <magic_ninja_work> was it esc?
• 914[08:15:48] <diogenes_> magic_ninja_work, yes, esc.
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• 920[08:21:16] <yans> Hello!
• 921[08:21:35] <alkisg> The DefaultTimeoutStopSec= directive of systemd controls how much to wait for shutting down problematic units
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• 923[08:21:45] <mi11k1> could somebody please tell me how I can link a blurtooth serial connection to just a regular serial port? Can you just make a symbolic link or something?
• 924[08:22:19] <mi11k1> /dev/rfcomm0 to /dev/ttyS? I guess
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• 932[08:26:04] <magic_ninja_work> mi11k1, I don't know how to answer your question directly, but you want to catch your incoming bluetooth data stream and use a pipe ( | ) to pipe to to the serial port.
• 933[08:26:26] <magic_ninja_work> You don't want to try and symbolic link devices. I'm not sure how to read a stream directly, though.
• 934[08:27:13] <annadane> i'm so conflicted, using ESR is the sane choice, i just don't want to lol
• 935[08:27:32] <mi11k1> magic_ninja_work: i have a blurtooth serial connection, but the program doesnt have a way to manually put the path, you can just choose com1 -8
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• 939[08:28:06] <mi11k1> so, i need to shortcut it or something
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• 943[08:31:17] <mi11k1> annadane: no matter what you choose, you will revert a some point in time, and then revert again.
• 944[08:31:53] <annadane> i mean i assume mozilla is done messing around with new paradigms
• 945[08:31:57] <annadane> everything now is just building on quantum
• 946[08:33:05] <ZaZaGX> i thought mozilla is getting rid of quantum? and just calling it firefox?
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• 954[08:35:41] <annadane> well ok fine post quantum
• 955[08:35:45] <annadane> firefox 57 and later
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• 957[08:36:15] <annadane> with how many changes in firefox people aren't happy with i really should just use esr and it's a known quantity
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• 961[08:39:25] <humpled> "how many changes people aren't happy with"
• 962[08:40:18] <mi11k1> i find that no matter what, there is happy ppl and pissed ppl.
• 963[08:40:22] <mi11k1> no matter what
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• 965[08:40:46] <ZaZaGX> like whenever facebook does a make over change?
• 966[08:41:27] <annadane> yeeeeah well facebook's changes are probably not as innocent as mozilla's
• 967[08:41:34] <annadane> whatever, i'll stick to ff stable
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• 969[08:42:46] <ZaZaGX> i have an idea! I should make a linux dating website
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• 971[08:43:31] <zamuro> I _think_ there was something like that lol
• 972[08:43:47] <annadane> nerds don't date
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• 974[08:43:54] <annadane> the plan is doomed from its inception
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• 976[08:44:43] <ZaZaGX> but i'm not a nerd
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• 979[08:47:28] <Haohmaru> didn't hard disks come with the respective data cable included?
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• 981[08:47:45] <Haohmaru> i got a new hdd, but i don't have an extra sata cable >:/
• 982[08:48:14] <humpled> sad
• 983[08:48:22] <mi11k1> haha, happened to me yesterday
• 984[08:48:47] <m0rd3cai> hey guys got a question about git repos. im familiar with cloning repos but there is a repo on a local machine and im not sure how to clone it.
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• 986[08:48:59] <mi11k1> i usually have 20 in a drawer, but i wasnt at home
• 987[08:49:11] <mi11k1> git clone URL
• 988[08:49:38] <mi11k1> clone it how?
• 989[08:49:48] <ZaZaGX> damn, i was hoping to set up debian users with debian users
• 990[08:49:52] <mi11k1> you can push it to git and then clone it
• 991[08:50:09] <m0rd3cai> replaced-url
• 992[08:51:04] <m0rd3cai> ive tried git clone on the local address and both files but no luck
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• 994[08:51:23] <mi11k1> are those public ip's?
• 995[08:51:49] <mi11k1> you have to read more about git
• 996[08:51:49] <m0rd3cai> no
• 997[08:52:19] <mi11k1> i think you have to do something like git init --bare
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• 999[08:52:39] <m0rd3cai> thanks, ill look into that
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• 1001[08:53:21] <mi11k1> if youre messing with vm's, look into gogs or gitlab
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• 1009[08:55:50] <aagh> I just mounted a new HDD as ext4 fs and it works fine but how do I make it accessible to my team members for read+write, I can change the existing folder permissions but they are not inherited to the new folders, any suggestions?
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• 1013[08:57:26] <alkisg> aagh: I'm using bindfs to enforce all contents under specific dirs to specific permissions. Normal linux or acl permissions weren't really able to do that.
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• 1017[08:59:08] <mi11k1> aagh: share how?
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• 1019[08:59:24] <mi11k1> you can chown it 1000:1000
• 1020[08:59:51] <aagh> mi11k1 all access the same box for dev purpose, so we use this new drive as a common drive
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• 1022[09:00:13] <mi11k1> each person has a login?
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• 1024[09:00:39] <aagh> mi11k1 yes, authenticate via AD, it is on Azure
• 1025[09:00:53] <mi11k1> im not familiar.
• 1026[09:01:04] <mi11k1> thats what group permissions can do
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• 1032[09:02:20] <aagh> I did add a group and added users to it but if a new folder or file is created in an existing folder it is not inheriting the parent folder permission, is there is a setting in fstab I need to set to inherit parent folder settigns?
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• 1034[09:03:32] <mi11k1> it does that because different people are making files
• 1035[09:03:55] <mi11k1> what do they make the files with?
• 1036[09:05:03] <aagh> yes but why is the group membership chaging? one instance is to do with conda, it is trying to create some files in a folder but fails due to permissions not being right
• 1037[09:05:54] <mi11k1> because you dont put the users in a group, you put the ppl in the group of the hd
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• 1039[09:06:37] <mi11k1> i dont know how to explain it, i just get it done.
• 1040[09:07:13] <aagh> mi11k1 sorry I dont follow you, can you point me to a resource anywhere?
• 1041[09:07:21] <aagh> or I can try a different filesystem
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• 1043[09:07:45] <mi11k1> if the harddrive is owned by user:group then you put all the ppl in group and give group read/write permissions
• 1044[09:08:27] <mi11k1> u add the group onto each user
• 1045[09:08:49] <mi11k1> sudo adduser mike group, sudo adduser john group
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• 1047[09:09:21] <Fox> mi11k1: unless every people is in every group that shouldn't work, unless you set stickybit for the group
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• 1050[09:10:03] <Fox> mike will write files as mike:mike and john won't access these files unless he is in the mike group
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• 1052[09:11:05] <mi11k1> whats the chmod to allow group the proper permissions?
• 1053[09:11:07] <Fox> sudo adduser mike everybody_group && mkdir testdir && chmod 666 testdir && chown testdir :everybody_group && chmod g+s testdir
• 1054[09:11:10] <mi11k1> i just use mc
• 1055[09:11:12] <Fox> that should work
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• 1057[09:11:50] <Fox> every file created in testdir will have everybody_group as group
• 1058[09:12:27] <alkisg> Guys, group permissions and sticky bits won't work for all levels under a shared dir. ACLs partially work; bindfs and "other file systems" properly work
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• 1062[09:13:11] <mi11k1> i would just make everybody use their own computer, i dont share my stuff anymore.
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• 1066[09:15:25] <mi11k1> i would just let everybody be root and then all your problems will be gone forever
• 1067[09:15:40] <humpled> heheh
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• 1069[09:15:51] <humpled> btw +s is setuid, +t is sticky
• 1070[09:15:58] <Fox> oups :)
• 1071[09:16:08] <mi11k1> busted!
• 1072[09:16:11] <annadane> you're all going to get hacked by the monsters under your beds
• 1073[09:16:27] <mi11k1> i sleep under the bed
• 1074[09:16:58] <Fox> I don't sleep
• 1075[09:17:07] <mi11k1> me neither
• 1076[09:17:11] <ZaZaGX> i don't believe in getting hacked
• 1077[09:17:33] <mi11k1> i do, cause i dont secure anything
• 1078[09:17:43] <mi11k1> so far, so good
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• 1082[09:19:08] <annadane> set all your passwords to ilikellamasinpyjamas
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• 1084[09:19:24] <Habbie> ilikellamasinpyjamaswithnodramas
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• 1086[09:19:30] <mi11k1> i cant keep anything intact long enough for it to matter.
• 1087[09:20:10] <ZaZaGX> can you hack me?
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• 1089[09:20:31] <mi11k1> hack what?
• 1090[09:20:36] <ZaZaGX> me
• 1091[09:20:48] <annadane> i suspect windows ME is quite hackable yes
• 1092[09:20:50] <mi11k1> i can probably get yer wifi if u were like 20 ft away
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• 1094[09:21:17] <Fox> i could connect to your wifi if you gave me the password
• 1095[09:21:18] <annadane> the hacker gives up in despair as they realize you're actually stupid enough to use windows ME
• 1096[09:21:22] <ZaZaGX> i havent used Windows since XP ages
• 1097[09:21:22] <Fox> that's social hacking
• 1098[09:21:24] <annadane> and your files are safe
• 1099[09:21:32] <mi11k1> xp black
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• 1102[09:22:36] <mi11k1> it seems like i cant get into the stuff i know the passwords for sometimes.
• 1103[09:23:05] <mi11k1> especially now with the 1 capital a number and a special character
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• 1106[09:24:33] <mi11k1> or before when most websites didnt care where the . was in your google address, but now they do.
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• 1108[09:25:56] <mi11k1> apparently i didnt care where i put the . either.
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• 1110[09:27:18] <mi11k1> a windows install is how i benchmark my iscsi and storage
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• 1113[09:29:34] <ZaZaGX> what am i watching now?
• 1114[09:29:42] <alkisg> irc
• 1115[09:30:02] <mi11k1> im watching the | flash
• 1116[09:31:03] <ZaZaGX> nope
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• 1119[09:32:01] <mi11k1> but, now im watching the battery icon flash.
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• 1122[09:33:04] <aagh> anyone use ACLs with ext4, like in replaced-url
• 1123[09:33:42] <alkisg> aagh: replaced-url
• 1124[09:33:58] <alkisg> ACLs also don't properly inherit everything
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• 1127[09:35:12] <mi11k1> aagh: or install cloud9 or something
• 1128[09:35:20] <mi11k1> its fun
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• 1130[09:36:23] <aagh> alkisg I looked at bindfs, but that is a FUSE fs, it says on the webpage to use ACLs for more control, also I remember if a NTFS filesystem is mounted via SMB protocol, it allows all users read/write if the permissions are set in fstab,
• 1131[09:36:45] <aagh> I am after similar functionality
• 1132[09:36:50] <mi11k1> smb is cifs
• 1133[09:37:07] <mi11k1> you could still do that, and it doesnt need to be ntfs
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• 1135[09:37:13] <alkisg> aagh: as I said above, "or other file systems"; yes, ntfs supports mounting all of it with a single uid/gid etc
• 1136[09:37:33] <alkisg> aagh: you *don't* want more control, and it's not slow just because it's fuse
• 1137[09:37:50] <alkisg> NTFS is also fuse, and it's lots slower and more unstable
• 1138[09:38:26] <aagh> alkisg
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• 1140[09:39:05] <BCMM> the ntfs-3g driver is not unstable. NTFS might be a relatively fragile filesystem by modern standards, but it's not less safe to write to it from linux than from windows, in this day an age
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• 1142[09:39:19] <alkisg> aagh: anyway, it took me a week to realize that bindfs was the solution, just keep it in mind for when other solutions don't look so well :)
• 1143[09:39:22] <mi11k1> but, in a way, if youre used to smb, it might just be easier to make a share on the local machine and each person can mount it
• 1144[09:39:43] <mi11k1> if thats what u know
• 1145[09:40:07] <alkisg> BCMM: ntfs-3g resulted from reverse engineering; bindfs is a proper linux file system that supports everything, it's much more stable compared to ntfs
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• 1147[09:40:18] <aagh> alkisg I am not going with NTFS as an option, I was just after the functionality of a cifs, I thought a native FS will offer that, but for ext4 it does not out of the box,
• 1148[09:40:32] <mi11k1> yes it does
• 1149[09:40:44] <alkisg> aagh: nfs can also offer what you saw with cifs; and again, networking will make it a lot slower than bindfs
• 1150[09:40:52] <BCMM> alkisg: oh yeah, it's a ghastly solution if you just want to remove permissions from the equation
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• 1154[09:41:45] <aagh> what other fs can I try, It does not have to be ext4
• 1155[09:41:59] <mi11k1> maybe its 2k txt files, speed might not matter
• 1156[09:42:10] <mi11k1> zfs is fun
• 1157[09:42:15] <alkisg> FAT can also be mounted with a single uid/gid. I don't know of any linux file systems that can do that, but there might exist
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• 1162[09:43:51] <mi11k1> what if everybody shares the same usb stick? bingo
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• 1164[09:44:21] <aagh> mi11k1 I actually have a prod FREEBSD with ZFS on root, love it, but the linux zfs is still in heavy dev, so excluded it
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• 1166[09:45:13] <mi11k1> aagh: yah im figuring it out, i have FREEBSD with root on usb and 2 3TB as a mirror
• 1167[09:45:45] <mi11k1> then its shared iscsi and have lvm on it.
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• 1169[09:46:04] <mi11k1> i couldnt figure out zfs over iscsi
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• 1174[09:47:03] <mi11k1> The problem is, storage is a seriously complicated thing.
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• 1178[09:48:35] <aagh> never used zfs over iscsi, but the boot environments feature is a killer,
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• 1180[09:49:35] <aagh> waiting eagerly for ZFS on linux to become GA, I will switch to it rightaway
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• 1182[09:49:44] <mi11k1> aagh: i thought zfs on linux was pretty stable, proxmox uses it
• 1183[09:50:40] <mi11k1> its confusing, you can slice it 1000 ways, its whatever floats your boat.
• 1184[09:51:12] <aagh> mi11k1 there is a FUZE implementation, but the native one codebase is now same for BSD and linux, they recently aligned upstream, very good news!
• 1185[09:51:20] <mi11k1> i like how zfs does the snapshot thing with its own native tool to export and import it
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• 1188[09:52:04] <mi11k1> zfs-dkms isnt fuse though i dont think.
• 1189[09:52:28] <mi11k1> i actully dont know what im talking about, but i use it, lol.
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• 1191[09:53:06] <aagh> this is the native one replaced-url
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• 1195[09:55:15] <mi11k1> i have a small problem, i dont actually read stuff.
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• 1199[09:57:49] <magic_ninja> how can I restart pule audio?
• 1200[09:57:59] <magic_ninja> It seems I'm stuck with a dummy output and my audio has quit working for some reason
• 1201[09:58:07] <mi11k1> killall pulseaudio
• 1202[09:58:17] <mi11k1> then puleaudio -d i think
• 1203[09:58:31] <EoflaOE> magic_ninja pulseaudio --kill and pulseaudio --start
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• 1205[09:59:22] <mi11k1> or you can just cut/paste
• 1206[09:59:52] <magic_ninja> I can see my device in alsamixer, but it won't work
• 1207[10:00:01] <magic_ninja> but I can't see it in pavuctrl
• 1208[10:00:13] <mi11k1> bluetooth?
• 1209[10:00:20] <mi11k1> what device?
• 1210[10:00:38] <magic_ninja> onboard sound
• 1211[10:00:52] <mi11k1> did you restart?
• 1212[10:01:11] <magic_ninja> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family HD Audio Controller
• 1213[10:01:12] <magic_ninja> yea
• 1214[10:01:40] <mi11k1> the gui is kinda silly for pulse,
• 1215[10:01:58] <mi11k1> i have problems with the same card, just keep flicking, youll get it
• 1216[10:02:18] <magic_ninja> what does that evne mean?
• 1217[10:02:21] <mi11k1> in the pulse mixer what is under config tab?
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• 1220[10:03:16] <mi11k1> in the pulse mixer just click on stuff until it starts to work
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• 1222[10:04:07] <magic_ninja> there it goes
• 1223[10:04:13] <mi11k1> did u run pulse as root?
• 1224[10:04:21] <magic_ninja> For some reason it was disabled. I don't see why it didn't work in alsamixer, though
• 1225[10:04:47] <mi11k1> whenever it doesnt work, just click stuff in the mixer.
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• 1229[10:05:13] <mi11k1> in alsa u push "M"
• 1230[10:05:28] <mi11k1> it might be muted
• 1231[10:05:50] <magic_ninja> it wasn't muted, I did check that
• 1232[10:06:03] <magic_ninja> must have been over-ridden by pulse
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• 1234[10:06:22] <mi11k1> i dont know, i have a fight with audio everyday, but I know its tricks now.
• 1235[10:06:34] <magic_ninja> lol sometimes it gets you like that
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• 1237[10:07:01] <mi11k1> my speakers are blown in my laptop, so i uuse a bt speaker.
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• 1239[10:08:27] <mi11k1> everyday, i have to mess with it. i was using MX, but i just installed buster with the Qt desktop, and my bt wasnt working, searched the web for 2 hours, then i saw that Conmann thing and i knew it was suspect
• 1240[10:08:44] <mi11k1> removed connman, and got me some audio.
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• 1242[10:10:12] <mi11k1> i really need to lookup what that button fallback device does.
• 1243[10:10:29] <magic_ninja> the lxqt is pretty nice. I like it
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• 1245[10:10:55] <mi11k1> have you used MX linux?
• 1246[10:10:56] <magic_ninja> I'm a huge fan of kde, though. It didn't take much to perfectly match the work flow I was used to, but more importantly, it is light, clean, and you can customize the crap out of it
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• 1248[10:11:04] <magic_ninja> you aren't stuck on a certain workflow
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• 1250[10:11:11] <mi11k1> plasma?
• 1251[10:12:04] <mi11k1> have you ever tried awesome or ratpoison?
• 1252[10:12:28] <mi11k1> you can flow the shit out of those desktops
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• 1257[10:14:20] <magic_ninja> na, not a fan of tiling WM's. But yea, plasma, but I use all of the KDE applications I can.
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• 1259[10:14:28] <magic_ninja> They are generally pretty good.
• 1260[10:14:38] <mi11k1> i love mac workflow
• 1261[10:14:45] <magic_ninja> You would like gnome more, then.
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• 1263[10:14:59] <mi11k1> well i use mate, its based gnome
• 1264[10:15:00] <magic_ninja> I tend to use meta key + cmd a lot
• 1265[10:15:12] <magic_ninja> its old gnome. I used to use the older gnome.
• 1266[10:15:21] <mi11k1> i cant stand it
• 1267[10:15:54] <mi11k1> i tried to install headless buster and tasksel selected desktop and it installed gnome
• 1268[10:15:59] <mi11k1> i was pissed
• 1269[10:16:16] <magic_ninja> lol I don't have time to tinker with my OS all that much
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• 1271[10:16:33] <mi11k1> me neither, just my conkys
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• 1275[10:16:59] <jelly> mi11k1: that part of installer (desktop chosen by default in the tasksel step) has not changed in years
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• 1277[10:17:14] <magic_ninja> I used to really dislike KDE, back then it was actually the DE.
• 1278[10:17:19] <mi11k1> jelly: i know, thats why i was pissed
• 1279[10:17:26] <mi11k1> i hate making that mistake
• 1280[10:17:47] <magic_ninja> Now, plasma has me hooked
• 1281[10:18:01] <mi11k1> i like openbox
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• 1285[10:19:10] <magic_ninja> thats a WM
• 1286[10:20:00] <mi11k1> then i use tint2 and conky
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• 1288[10:20:15] <mi11k1> or plank for a dock
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• 1291[10:20:55] <mi11k1> not anymore though, i just pile up windows and then hold the power button when it gets out of hand
• 1292[10:21:23] <magic_ninja> you might really like deepin
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• 1296[10:21:30] <mi11k1> nope
• 1297[10:21:40] <mi11k1> i like fast
• 1298[10:22:15] <mi11k1> ii would like to know how deepin makes linux run so slow.
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• 1302[10:23:11] <magic_ninja> just use the DE
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• 1304[10:23:40] <magic_ninja> It is all their graphics. Deepin desktop environment is nice. They have put a lot of work into stability, but I have not tried it lately
• 1305[10:23:57] <mi11k1> its chinese, its spying
• 1306[10:24:33] <mi11k1> out of the box, MX is the best linux distro ive used.
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• 1308[10:24:47] <mi11k1> i think its xfce, but its modded perfectly
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• 1313[10:26:38] <magic_ninja> eh, I don't want to deal with sysV
• 1314[10:27:17] <mi11k1> i dont even really know what sysv is.
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• 1318[10:28:32] <magic_ninja> ...your init system
• 1319[10:28:41] <magic_ninja> on mx that is
• 1320[10:28:42] <mi11k1> the only reason i wiped the other day was cause my HD was full and i needed some room, so naturely i wiped it out.
• 1321[10:29:45] <mi11k1> all that stuff is mixed up in my head, i dont have time to sort it out.
• 1322[10:30:32] <mi11k1> i just install webmin and just make it listen on localhost
• 1323[10:31:21] <mi11k1> fast for mounts and samba shares
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• 1326[10:31:43] <mi11k1> iscsi, services and iptables
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• 1329[10:33:33] <magic_ninja> no fucking way a web server is going up for admin access to my system.
• 1330[10:33:47] <magic_ninja> !language
• 1331[10:33:48] <dpkg> [language] a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <kali> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>.
• 1332[10:33:50] <mi11k1> thats why it only listens on lo
• 1333[10:34:14] <mi11k1> and usually its not even running
• 1334[10:34:17] <earend1> how do you make it only listen listen on lo?
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• 1336[10:34:21] <magic_ninja> nope nope nope
• 1337[10:34:30] <mi11k1> in the config on the web guii
• 1338[10:34:53] <mi11k1> and if i want to access it remotely i do a ssh portforward of port 10000 to my lo
• 1339[10:34:55] <earend1> hm ok.. for webmin that was .. right?
• 1340[10:35:04] <mi11k1> yessir
• 1341[10:35:09] <earend1> thank
• 1342[10:35:30] <earend1> i like mx too.
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• 1344[10:35:52] <mi11k1> i dont put webmin on anything that has a public ip.
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• 1347[10:37:18] <mi11k1> i know exactly what youre saying, but it saves me so much time, and its a pretty light load these days.
• 1348[10:37:22] <earend1> is there some generic concept where services can specify link/binding or what the term is?
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• 1350[10:37:55] <mi11k1> earend1: i dont understand
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• 1352[10:38:33] <earend1> why for instance is avahi listening on 0:0:0:0 and not on 127.0.0.1 (not sure what it does at all with incoming requests)
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• 1354[10:38:58] <mi11k1> so 0.0.0.0 listens on all interfaces
• 1355[10:39:23] <mi11k1> 127.0.0.1 and localhost arent exposed to your network interfaces
• 1356[10:39:57] <earend1> from what i get it means if the router or iptables wouldn't prevent it, it would be unmasked open
• 1357[10:40:20] <earend1> like.. from outside the network
• 1358[10:40:23] <mi11k1> usually the service has a config
• 1359[10:40:39] <earend1> ok
• 1360[10:41:39] <mi11k1> and in the config is generally where you tell it to listen, because you might havve several ip addresess on a machine, and you only want it to bind to one then you can just put the ip
• 1361[10:41:50] <earend1> still so much to learn.. like that iptables thing. .. just all that things "ip" handles scares me :)
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• 1363[10:42:31] <mi11k1> you generally dont need to use it, cause all the ports are generally closed
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• 1365[10:43:03] <mi11k1> the only think i have to touch iptables for is when i want to nat
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• 1368[10:43:59] <earend1> but but.. avahi isnt closed. is it? you mean iptables are configured to block it by default?
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• 1370[10:44:24] <mi11k1> what is avahi, its a windows discovvery thing isnt it?
• 1371[10:44:25] <earend1> it gets mostly installed when u chose to install a desktop manager via installer.
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• 1376[10:45:03] <mi11k1> you can just disable it, cause if its blocked, i dont think it does anything, the point of it is to be exposed. i think
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• 1379[10:45:57] <DK2> how can i kill a 'D' Process if kill -9 doesnt work?
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• 1381[10:46:11] <earend1> but to make that clear: u say all incoming connections are blocked on basic install? and by what mechanism? mi11k1 thx
• 1382[10:46:23] <earend1> in advance and for the patience
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• 1384[10:46:39] <mi11k1> ports are closed unless something opens it
• 1385[10:46:57] <earend1> so when sometthing listens on a port its opened.
• 1386[10:47:03] <earend1> right?
• 1387[10:47:10] <mi11k1> pretty much
• 1388[10:47:14] <earend1> :(
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• 1390[10:47:32] <mi11k1> earend1: whats the problem?
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• 1400[10:49:11] <mi11k1> if the the service listens for a tcp connection it was probably designed to be connected to from outside, so it wouldnt work if the port was closed.
• 1401[10:49:19] <fling> How do I install latest gstreamer on debian 9 ?
• 1402[10:49:25] <earend1> i would like to understand what u mean by opening and closing ports. exactly. just opening a port via progamming api would open it? or is some system setting .. like handled by iptables?
• 1403[10:49:53] <mi11k1> what programming api?
• 1404[10:50:34] <Fox> earend1: foe example if you don't install a webserver to listen on ports 80/443 then these ports will stay closed, that's what mi11k1 is saying
• 1405[10:50:57] <earend1> how can i reject all incoming connections .. for instance. regardless of what ports may have been opened by programs in a way i cant monitor it potentially
• 1406[10:51:32] <mi11k1> if its designed to listen for remote tcp connections it will probably expose the ports that its configure for.
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• 1408[10:51:33] <jelly> earend1: you'd have to set up a local firewall. There isn't one by default.
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• 1410[10:51:54] <earend1> can i not do it via a single iptables command .. ?
• 1411[10:52:02] <mi11k1> you want to monitor?
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• 1413[10:52:08] <earend1> yah?
• 1414[10:52:09] <jelly> earend1: in general. no
• 1415[10:52:12] <earend1> hehe
• 1416[10:52:17] <earend1> i want it all.
• 1417[10:52:27] <mi11k1> a router does that
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• 1419[10:52:35] <earend1> oh i dont trust my router.
• 1420[10:53:00] <mi11k1> i do
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• 1423[10:53:45] <earend1> and how does the router do it. when debian is installed on it.
• 1424[10:53:50] <earend1> iptables blah
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• 1426[10:53:56] <earend1> tell me brudi
• 1427[10:53:59] <jelly> earend1: iptables command is a low-level tool. L:oad or save of an existing firewall rule set can be done with iptables-save and iptables-restore, but in general iptables command does adding or removal of single rule at a time
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• 1430[10:54:10] <Fox> I think that would do it replaced-url
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• 1434[10:55:00] <jelly> there are many higher-level wrappers around iptables. There are also probably some around its newer cousin nftables, too.
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• 1436[10:55:50] <earend1> jelly.. yes i installed ufw.. but it.. as well does way more things.. and firejail run progies seems to ignore anything .. firejail connections are not listed by netstat.. i dont understand pams, cgroups, namespaces and slices and what all :(((
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• 1440[10:56:07] <earend1> damn i think linux is too complicated for me.
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• 1444[10:56:30] <jelly> those are additional layers of separation
• 1445[10:56:37] <earend1> i will have to learn how to compile a kernel. and no more installers.
• 1446[10:56:41] <ayew> really don't see how its worse than windows
• 1447[10:57:09] <ayew> networking stuff requires understanding that is OS agnostic
• 1448[10:57:47] <earend1> can u just tel me how to really see all listening ports.. for instance?
• 1449[10:57:57] <earend1> like just the command .. no text
• 1450[10:58:01] <earend1> or blah :)
• 1451[10:58:07] <earend1> i understand that language
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• 1453[10:58:29] <jelly> earend1: ss -nl
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• 1455[10:58:51] <mi11k1> earend1: replaced-url
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• 1457[10:59:05] <earend1> ss wouldn't display firejailed net-spaced thingies though .. right?
• 1458[10:59:21] <earend1> is it that different from netstat? since netstat doesnt
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• 1460[11:00:02] <jelly> ss shows default net namespace, but you can ask it to show some other net namespace.
• 1461[11:00:10] <earend1> mi11k1: u send me a screenshot of some gui? seriously?
• 1462[11:00:22] * earend1 weeps
• 1463[11:00:26] <jelly> ss is basically the same functionality as netstat, except it's newer
• 1464[11:00:27] <earend1> :v
• 1465[11:00:28] <mi11k1> thats webmin
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• 1467[11:00:39] <fling> how to remove suggested and recommends?
• 1468[11:00:48] <mi11k1> thats just to make a base for rules in iptables
• 1469[11:00:50] <jelly> caveat: webmin has historically has seriously bad security.
• 1470[11:00:55] <earend1> jelly: so ss -nl would show them. right?
• 1471[11:01:14] <mi11k1> jelly: thats why it listen on localhost
• 1472[11:01:18] <EoflaOE> fling: Do you mean that you don't want to install a package with suggested and recommended packages?
• 1473[11:01:34] <jelly> mi11k1: they even had the downloads backdoored recently
• 1474[11:01:46] <mi11k1> --no-install-recommends or something
• 1475[11:01:54] <fling> want to remove already installed
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• 1477[11:02:37] <earend1> jelly: just to make sure .. ss -nl would show me ALL connections/ports
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• 1479[11:02:44] <mi11k1> i dont use it on public facing machines, and the service is usually not running anyways.
• 1480[11:02:45] <earend1> so i can sigh in peace
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• 1482[11:03:23] <jelly> earend1: I don't think it would if you have multiple net namespaces in use. Best ask in #Netfilter
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• 1486[11:04:39] <earend1> that's the whole point. u seem to specifically mention namespaces. (which i dont) .. i ask how to monitor all connections. it must be possible. any tool anything that would do that?
• 1487[11:04:59] <jelly> earend1: I'd probably look at "ip netns list" and then use ss to show listener sockets in each netns in a for loop
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• 1491[11:05:35] <jelly> earend1: other than that, best ask the people more knowledgeable in these tools
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• 1493[11:05:55] <earend1> exactly that i tried. and it didnt list firejailed/apparmored things nor any defined namespaces .. while they were definitely active
• 1494[11:06:14] <mi11k1> earend1: do you know what snort is?
• 1495[11:06:15] <earend1> by whatever technology used ..i dunno
• 1496[11:06:20] <earend1> a sniffer?
• 1497[11:06:24] <earend1> or so?
• 1498[11:06:32] <mi11k1> network intrusion
• 1499[11:06:33] <earend1> i will check
• 1500[11:06:37] <jelly> earend1: you did "ip netns list" as root, and there was no output?
• 1501[11:06:52] <earend1> jelly: exactly
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• 1503[11:06:53] <earend1> :/
• 1504[11:06:59] * jelly shrugs
• 1505[11:07:15] <mi11k1> /sbin/ip ??
• 1506[11:07:38] <mi11k1> were you root or sudo ?
• 1507[11:07:52] <earend1> oh.. not sure. any preferences on that btw?
• 1508[11:08:16] <mi11k1> root seems to have a shorter path now
• 1509[11:08:16] <jelly> it does not matter which way you use to run it as root.
• 1510[11:08:36] <earend1> oh i did run it as root for sure.
• 1511[11:08:41] <mi11k1> every install ive done on buster /sbin is not in roots path
• 1512[11:08:41] <earend1> then.
• 1513[11:09:09] <earend1> mi11k1: you mean i should explicitely do that call .. ok.
• 1514[11:09:31] <mi11k1> was there no output or command wasnt found?
• 1515[11:09:58] <earend1> im really wondering guys. you dont run whole clusters of things with debian? i always thought so. hehe.
• 1516[11:10:01] <Fox> mi11k1: since buster you need to su -
• 1517[11:10:14] <earend1> su -
• 1518[11:10:15] <earend1> ?
• 1519[11:10:30] <earend1> is compared to root and sudo what
• 1520[11:10:33] <mi11k1> ive only been using it for about 4 days
• 1521[11:10:39] <earend1> hehe.
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• 1523[11:10:56] <earend1> yes. my installations mostly dont survive morer than 2 .. :/
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• 1525[11:11:16] <earend1> but im gettin on it. xd
• 1526[11:11:43] <fling> ok updated it and now can't login :P
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• 1528[11:11:59] <humpled> it?
• 1529[11:12:06] <fling> bbb
• 1530[11:12:13] <fling> permission denied it says
• 1531[11:12:15] <jelly> honestly the largest "cluster of things" I have on debian is mere 7 machines
• 1532[11:12:49] <fling> jelly: try lxd
• 1533[11:12:53] <mi11k1> earend1: as your regular user do su - and then try the ip command
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• 1535[11:13:08] <l3archos> hoi
• 1536[11:13:09] <mi11k1> fling: for docker?
• 1537[11:13:20] <earend1> well. i would like to block all incoming connection on a single machine. no clue how to do it
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• 1539[11:14:04] <earend1> or monitor it. im aware ssh needs an agent.. but what does rlogin telnet use?
• 1540[11:14:09] <fling> mi11k1: docker works in lxd, yes. No, for lxd-p2c to migrate debian 7 machines into containers.
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• 1542[11:15:15] <mi11k1> earend1: do a port scan from another machine and see if theres ports open
• 1543[11:15:38] <mi11k1> earend1: if there is, then you can address it.
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• 1545[11:16:37] <mi11k1> earend1: ssh only needs openssh-server daemon running to open 22
• 1546[11:16:52] <mi11k1> the agent is for keys or something
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• 1548[11:16:59] <earend1> its all spread into config files ..which again are spread into multiple parts of files .. and im totally lost. though i had quite a stable debian stretch installation.. i accidently killed the parrtition table ..and boom. dealing with radeon firmware and buster now. something shoots off the system to hard reset half a second after lightdm login popps up... all i can do is do nomodeset, and then only cli is working
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• 1550[11:17:35] <mi11k1> earend1: ive dealt with it too.
• 1551[11:17:41] <earend1> earend1: do a port scan from another machine and see if theres ports open -- hey hey... thats a good idea! :) how?
• 1552[11:17:52] <humpled> i suggest focussing on one thing at a time
• 1553[11:17:55] <earend1> squeezing you for the pro infos xd
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• 1555[11:18:55] <earend1> mi11k1: any tool u would recommend to scan ports from remote machine?
• 1556[11:19:03] <mi11k1> earend1: nmap
• 1557[11:19:08] <earend1> ok. gracias.
• 1558[11:19:23] <mi11k1> nmap -Pn targetip
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• 1560[11:19:34] <earend1> excellent
• 1561[11:19:37] <mi11k1> or zenmap is the gui
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• 1565[11:20:03] <mi11k1> if you have an android phone fing does a good job
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• 1567[11:20:52] <mi11k1> earend1: what are you trying to hide anyways?
• 1568[11:21:22] <mi11k1> if you just leave the door open, nobody comes
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• 1570[11:21:50] <mi11k1> you would love wireshark
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• 1579[11:25:40] <mi11k1> earend1: nomodeset, lol. thats why you didht like the gui thing i sent.
• 1580[11:25:47] <earend1> i just would like to get to some avarage security level and halfways understand it. actually some network administration course would do good. and i guess learning about the kernel would also be a good idea. ip seems like able to do live heart surgery linking things.. and i can get a minimal system. so when unplug the wire it wouldnt use some keyboard dongle to login via bluetooth.. lol
• 1581[11:25:58] *** Joins: preview (~quassel@replaced-ip)
• 1582[11:26:13] <earend1> your computer is a dipol earend1
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• 1586[11:26:32] <earend1> faraday cage maybe :P
• 1587[11:26:54] <earend1> tinfoil hat is not good against microwave lengh
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• 1589[11:27:01] <mi11k1> earend1: what are you guarding?
• 1590[11:27:06] *** Quits: kts (~kts@replaced-ip) (Client Quit)
• 1591[11:27:14] <earend1> my porn collection.
• 1592[11:27:35] <ZaZaGX> good answer
• 1593[11:27:37] <earend1> actually i just want .. basic privacy.
• 1594[11:27:49] <mi11k1> earend1: tinfoill works because my neighbour has it in her windows and i cant even see her wifi with a biquad and its like 30 ft away
• 1595[11:28:05] <mi11k1> ZaZaGX: i just wanted him to say it
• 1596[11:28:06] <earend1> hehe
• 1597[11:28:45] <mi11k1> encrypt the filesystem
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• 1601[11:30:56] <mi11k1> just rename the files to like, homework.txt, xmaslist2014.doc
• 1602[11:31:38] <ZaZaGX> how about my porn collection
• 1603[11:31:51] *** Quits: Downer (downer@replaced-ip) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
• 1604[11:32:10] <mi11k1> i just have mine on a dlna server
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• 1606[11:32:45] <earend1> i really am quite open about my sexual fancies .. its not like that. so its really more to know when i can write a letter to a friend for instance.
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• 1608[11:33:05] <mi11k1> what country are u in?
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• 1611[11:33:55] <mi11k1> we dont talk like that where i live.
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• 1613[11:35:09] <ayew> does anyone know a way to easily be able to switch between different python versions within the same main version (i.e. 3.4 and 3.7) so that I can call them both easily from the cl?
• 1614[11:35:33] <ZaZaGX> where do you live?
• 1615[11:35:35] <mi11k1> yah, its ggot enviironments somehow
• 1616[11:35:52] <earend1> its not necessarily gov .. more like some script-kiddies i seem to have triggred at some point ..potentially on linux my mother is able to hack me. though she doesnt know much about computers.
• 1617[11:35:53] <mi11k1> me? canadia
• 1618[11:36:00] <earend1> ger
• 1619[11:36:26] <mi11k1> germans hide porn?
• 1620[11:37:01] <earend1> not at all. it was more a joke.
• 1621[11:37:03] <jvava> Dependencies Missing Please install: libgtop, Network Manager and gir bindings
• 1622[11:37:18] <earend1> but anyways. must i really explain privacy?
• 1623[11:37:22] <mi11k1> apt install -f
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• 1626[11:38:04] <jvava> four zero, mi11k1
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• 1628[11:38:38] <mi11k1> jvava:?
• 1629[11:38:43] <mi11k1> jvava: the score?
• 1630[11:38:57] <jvava> yes, apt install -f
• 1631[11:39:02] <earend1> who plays?
• 1632[11:39:10] <avernos> hi, i am getting rtnetlink answers: operation not supported when i try to delete the interface. its on state DOWN always, cant set it UP. how can i do systemctl delete interfaces?
• 1633[11:39:26] *** Quits: ioitboy (~root@replaced-ip) (Quit: leaving)
• 1634[11:39:43] <mi11k1> try ifconfig interface down
• 1635[11:40:16] <mi11k1> is the interface in /etc/network/interfaces file?
• 1636[11:40:26] <avernos> mi11k1: dont have ifconfig. only have ip
• 1637[11:40:42] <earend1> right. here we go.
• 1638[11:40:45] <avernos> mi11k1: isnt in interfaces. added it and deleted it a few times
• 1639[11:40:48] <mi11k1> iis it in the interfaces file?
• 1640[11:41:17] <mi11k1> so add it in the interfaces file
• 1641[11:42:03] <mi11k1> then you can bring it up and down with ifup or ifdown
• 1642[11:42:16] <avernos> ok
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• 1644[11:43:12] <mi11k1> if you have network-manager installed any interface not in that file is managed by it instead and you can use nmtui
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• 1651[11:48:20] <avernos> i have network-manager, i've added it to interfaces, rebooted but still same error
• 1652[11:48:35] <avernos> nmtui says the connection is not available at this time
• 1653[11:48:56] <avernos> mi11k1: perhaps i cant reset it some other way?
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• 1655[11:49:45] <mi11k1> remove the entry from interfaces and restart network-manager
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• 1657[11:50:06] <earend1> there's nm-cli or so .. for config
• 1658[11:50:21] <mi11k1> sudo service network-manager restart and then it will work in nmtui
• 1659[11:50:39] <mi11k1> yah, nm-cli is hard work, tui is a simple flick
• 1660[11:52:29] <mi11k1> if its in the interfaces file sudo ifup interface should work
• 1661[11:53:14] <avernos> could deleted it on nm, but is still on ip l
• 1662[11:53:53] <earend1> systemctl restart networking?
• 1663[11:54:03] <mi11k1> is it up or down?
• 1664[11:54:29] <earend1> there's also a networkctl .. for something .. ifup ifdown ... scripts .. its an orgy.
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• 1666[11:54:46] <earend1> promiscous interfaces.
• 1667[11:54:53] <mi11k1> youre actually trying to delete the interface or control it?
• 1668[11:55:05] <mi11k1> yah, aircrack is fun
• 1669[11:55:21] <avernos> trying to delete it, something seems misconfigured, hoping it will kick in auto confi after deleted and rebooted
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• 1671[11:55:38] <mi11k1> misconfigured?
• 1672[11:55:43] <earend1> yes.
• 1673[11:55:47] <mi11k1> how?
• 1674[11:55:47] <earend1> misconfigured.
• 1675[11:55:57] <earend1> what
• 1676[11:56:14] <earend1> u could ask how its configured to run
• 1677[11:56:19] <earend1> or should be.
• 1678[11:56:32] <earend1> its very easy to make it not work anymore.
• 1679[11:56:33] <mi11k1> is it a wired interface that uses dhcp?
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• 1681[11:56:47] <earend1> your cat can do that running over the keyboard.
• 1682[11:56:52] <avernos> not sure, tried to bridge a network and i think it changed the other interfaces without asking or checking
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• 1684[11:57:02] <avernos> it is wired with dhcp
• 1685[11:57:15] <mi11k1> were you messing with qemu?
• 1686[11:57:37] <avernos> is permanently DOWN, ip link set ens128 up, doesnt do anything
• 1687[11:57:52] <earend1> its on my todo list
• 1688[11:58:01] <avernos> mi11k1: you know it. livbirt gui..
• 1689[11:58:19] <mi11k1> did you delete it out of the gui? the bridge?
• 1690[11:58:24] <avernos> did
• 1691[11:58:31] <avernos> gui shows nowthing there..
• 1692[11:58:54] <avernos> but im guessing it changes somewhere else instead of interfaces file. somewhere in systemd that im unaware
• 1693[11:58:57] <mi11k1> sudo service libvirtd stop
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• 1695[11:59:13] <earend1> that cgroups pam apparmored parallel os thingies :/
• 1696[11:59:45] <mi11k1> add 2 lines to interfaces file line1 allow-hotplug ens128 line2 iface ens128 inet dhcp
• 1697[11:59:53] <earend1> well bridged interfaces can at least be identified as promiscous.
• 1698[12:00:11] <mi11k1> then do sudo ifup ens128
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• 1700[12:00:18] <avernos> service libvirtd stoped. however all virtual nets were off
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• 1702[12:00:50] <earend1> ifup --no-script --no-mappoing <iface>
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• 1704[12:01:13] <earend1> oh virtual nets okay
• 1705[12:01:34] <earend1> how did u turn them off?
• 1706[12:01:41] <earend1> in the vm?
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• 1708[12:01:55] <avernos> uhm, my interfaces got wiped.. whats the line for loopback ?
• 1709[12:01:55] <earend1> is xen cool?
• 1710[12:02:06] <mi11k1> auto lo
• 1711[12:02:53] <mi11k1> and iface lo inet loopback
• 1712[12:03:05] <mi11k1> earend1: i use proxmox
• 1713[12:03:48] <avernos> bunch of thanks. trying now. very curious your guess. does the libvirt blocks networks even while all off and deleted? how could..
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• 1715[12:04:27] <mi11k1> i dont know, i just went back to virtualbox for its simplicity for messing around
• 1716[12:04:33] <earend1> avernos: the /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten as well .. or by default and regularily by nm it seemed
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• 1718[12:04:41] <mi11k1> and i use proxmox on a server
• 1719[12:04:56] <earend1> no firejail?
• 1720[12:04:57] <mi11k1> nameserver 8.8.8.8
• 1721[12:05:08] <mi11k1> nameserver 8.8.4.4
• 1722[12:05:21] <earend1> no bind unbind or dns proxy?
• 1723[12:06:01] <earend1> what are that iscasi thingies. when did it all happen? xd
• 1724[12:06:18] <mi11k1> i use iscsi
• 1725[12:06:31] <earend1> is it some link to the cloud
• 1726[12:06:57] <mi11k1> its shares media as block storage
• 1727[12:07:04] <mi11k1> instead of file storage
• 1728[12:07:30] <earend1> that would install a parallel webos via malicious acpi entry in some rom?
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• 1730[12:08:16] <mi11k1> avernos: if you mess with libviirt, you gotta read the docs, no guessing with that one.
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• 1732[12:09:34] <earend1> funny what securrity leak would have, so the news yestereday, allow a fucking website to break or bypass all security efforts .. all encryptions anything.. for 2 years or so.
• 1733[12:09:47] <earend1> thanks google found out and warned apple.
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• 1736[12:10:12] <earend1> lol. damn chinese spies. do they really want to know it now? (:
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• 1738[12:11:01] <avernos> mi11k1: learnt the lesson. no more playing with libvirrt for now until. messed up well
• 1739[12:11:03] <avernos> still didnt work
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• 1741[12:11:10] <earend1> lol
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• 1744[12:11:26] <mi11k1> the interface didnt come up?
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• 1746[12:12:03] <mi11k1> try unplugging the ethernet and plugging it back in
• 1747[12:12:07] <avernos> no, tries dhcp somehow. but guess no replies at all
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• 1749[12:12:14] <mi11k1> thats what the hotplug line does
• 1750[12:12:18] <avernos> still stuck with rtnetlink answers: operation not supported when trying to delete the interface
• 1751[12:13:02] <earend1> checked cables? restarted rooter? hard-resettet os?
• 1752[12:13:19] <mi11k1> its probably your dhcp server
• 1753[12:13:22] <avernos> yes
• 1754[12:13:26] <earend1> eat your hot-dog on friday?
• 1755[12:13:26] <avernos> dhcp works fine
• 1756[12:13:44] <avernos> hotdog gone. second coffee coming right up
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• 1759[12:14:10] <mi11k1> if its not gettingg a reply the dhcp server is probably at fault
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• 1761[12:14:14] <earend1> alright bois. have to go shopping. laters
• 1762[12:14:17] <earend1> thx for help
• 1763[12:14:17] <avernos> tattoo on forehead not to use libviirt for a while is on TODO
• 1764[12:15:01] <mi11k1> powercycle whatever is handing out dhcp
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• 1769[12:16:27] <mi11k1> if those lines appeared that it was waiting for a response, in my experience its good to go and theres another issue
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• 1771[12:17:36] <avernos> its trying 255.255.255.255 which i think is wrong. but im confused as to where tries that when autoconf doesnt do that
• 1772[12:17:43] <avernos> for dhcp
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• 1775[12:18:07] <mi11k1> because its willing to take any address
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• 1777[12:18:48] <mi11k1> you can change interfaces, change dhcp to static
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• 1779[12:19:24] <mi11k1> and add 2 lines....line1 address 192.whatever line2 netmask 255.255.255.0
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• 1782[12:20:45] <avernos> nope, either lo or ens128 interface is misconfigured somewhere else
• 1783[12:21:10] <mi11k1> do sudo service netwroking restart
• 1784[12:21:11] <avernos> coud be some cached systemd conf?
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• 1786[12:21:52] <uio> I have Debian XFCE installed on two machines. On the first, with one terminal and hexchat open it's at 700M/3.78G RAM, while on the second one it's at 277M/926 RAM. I know the machines are different, and I likely have a few more applets on the first, but how can there be such a huge difference?
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• 1789[12:22:32] <mi11k1> shared video memory?
• 1790[12:22:34] <ayew> tried looking in a perfmon like KSysGuard yet?
• 1791[12:22:59] <mi11k1> avernos: restart the machine
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• 1794[12:23:44] <mi11k1> avernos: theres not really anywhere else. did you try dmesg?
• 1795[12:24:08] <mi11k1> dmesg -w can be helpful
• 1796[12:24:35] <uio> Is it just because there is more RAM, so it's used?
• 1797[12:24:56] <avernos> only relevant thing i see is a complain about driver and another line saying the driver was loaded
• 1798[12:25:01] <avernos> on dmesg
• 1799[12:25:13] <mi11k1> what driver?
• 1800[12:25:17] <avernos> ah, netlink subsys (disabled)
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• 1804[12:25:52] <mi11k1> it probaby has to do with that interfaces file being blank
• 1805[12:26:01] <avernos> rtl_nic8105 failed to load, r8169 loaded. but this was just same and fine before messed the interfaces
• 1806[12:26:27] <mi11k1> u have to install firmware-realtek
• 1807[12:26:46] <mi11k1> you have to add non-free to sources
• 1808[12:26:58] <avernos> perhaps, but was fine before. and no networking so cant download much
• 1809[12:27:32] <mi11k1> what happens if you do ifup lo?
• 1810[12:27:45] <avernos> doesnt show any output. how to make that verbose?
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• 1812[12:28:42] <mi11k1> ip addr?
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• 1815[12:29:25] <mi11k1> you should just restart it
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• 1818[12:32:29] <avernos> mi11k1: need a bit. i'm guessing all this play got me blacklisted somewhere, switch or dhcp or whatnot..
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• 1831[12:38:57] <Kali_Yuga> Hello I find conflicting information on installing Virtualbox in Debian 10, some add a bionic repository which seems wrong. Virtualbox website only provide an installation for debian 9, and the debian wiki states that virtualbox is not available, only a backport of an unofficial, unsupported backport of virtualbox from debian unstable... debian wiki only recommends virtual machine manager, which also
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• 1833[12:39:03] <Kali_Yuga> seems to be experimental...
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• 1840[12:46:37] <Kali_Yuga> I have not used debian for too long so please forgive me if idk something... but I guess no virtualbox? or do I need to install the unsupported backport from debian unstable?
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• 1848[12:49:56] * themill would recommend free software instead of virtualbox
• 1849[12:50:36] <BCMM> Kali_Yuga: have you read this? replaced-url
• 1850[12:52:02] <BCMM> Kali_Yuga: In short, it's not suitable for inclusion in Debian Stable due to lack of long-term security support from Oracle. But if you want to run it anyway, there's an unofficial repo specifically for Debian.
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• 1852[12:53:57] <ayew> virt-manager is just a managerment interface, the replacement would be KVM or Xen.
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• 1856[12:55:14] <kevr> virt-manager is experimental?
• 1857[12:55:17] <kevr> o_O
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• 1859[12:55:59] <BCMM> it's an experimental front-end to a very solid backend, if that helps
• 1860[12:56:07] <ayew> from the package page: the GUI is still considered experimental.
• 1861[12:56:35] <andre144k> hi all.. anyone know a shortcut to change insde "mc" active folder to folder from other window-side? - so that both folders are same?
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• 1865[12:57:20] <ayew> mc is midnight commander yes?
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• 1868[12:59:06] <kreyren> ,v file CRYPTSP.dll
• 1869[12:59:07] <judd> Package: file on amd64 -- jessie: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u5; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch: 1:5.30-1+deb9u2; buster: 1:5.35-4; bullseye: 1:5.37-5; sid: 1:5.37-5
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• 1871[13:01:15] <Kali_Yuga> yes so I either have to build it myself or get the unsupported version from debian unstable k understand. I can give virtual machine manager a go if it does the job though...
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• 1876[13:04:18] <user99> are we there yet? :-)
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• 1882[13:05:10] <Kali_Yuga> wonder why websites like these recommend adding an ubuntu repository? replaced-url
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• 1884[13:05:41] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, most howtos and guides on the internet are bad
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• 1886[13:06:15] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, but i don't see this page recommending ubuntu repositories anywhere
• 1887[13:06:41] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, in fact this page suggests exactly what you want - a debian buster repo
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• 1891[13:07:10] <Kali_Yuga> Habbie: well they say: The VirtualBox packages for Debian 10 Buster and Ubuntu 18.04 bionic are same. That’s why the repository is pointed to bionic.
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• 1897[13:08:21] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, ok, but the article itself just tells you to use the virtualbox buster repo, which seems like fine advice to me
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• 1901[13:08:24] <Kali_Yuga> which confuses me a little tbh... doesn't say anything about that on the debian wiki
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• 1910[13:10:58] <jelly> Kali_Yuga: debian wiki may not be freshly updated
• 1911[13:11:06] <Kali_Yuga> as far as I've read is that there is no buster repo
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• 1913[13:11:55] <Kali_Yuga> that's why I mentioned that I'm getting conflicting Information here
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• 1915[13:12:13] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, there is a buster repo on download.virtualbox.org
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• 1928[13:17:08] <Kali_Yuga> Habbie: tbh, I only find packages for strech or I'm missing something
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• 1931[13:18:22] <themill> replaced-url
• 1932[13:18:32] <themill> But then I'd still recommend free software instead.
• 1933[13:19:28] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, i don't get it - you linked a blog post, with instructions; i've told you those instructions are correct; i have now also tested them and can confirm they are in fact correct
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• 1943[13:22:11] <Kali_Yuga> Habbie: sorry, I'm blind apparently. actually I'm looking into Virtual Machine Manager now since it's gpl... but I know now, thanks for the help guys...
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• 1971[13:35:56] <jonaus> Hi! Is there a reasonable way to make the volume control thing a bit, for the lack of a better word, softer? I'll explain what I mean. The volume control bar, as it shows up on my screen is a about 5 cm long. The first two millimetres are mute/inaudible. The next millimetre is the relevant sound range, going from barely audible to pretty loud. Beyond that, it's simply way, way, WAY too loud.
• 1972[13:36:02] <jonaus> aThis makes it impossible to use the volume control keys on the keyboard, for they move the baere about 1.5 millimeter each time I push it - i.e. makeing it a binary state between mute and painful. Surely, there must be something that can be configured?
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• 1976[13:36:23] <jonaus> anyone knows of a simple way to ameliorate this?
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• 1988[13:46:55] <ilikeyou> jonaus: I'm no Debian pro, but I feel your pain lol. Look into pulseaudio commands. Can be used in 5 % increments.
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• 1993[13:53:21] <diogenes_> ilikeyou, i thought you said you are on Debian Pro hehe.
• 1994[13:53:43] <diogenes_> then i'm on Debian Ultimate.
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• 1997[13:54:43] <petn-randall> jonaus: You can reduce the maximum volume for your output *device* to something sensible. That's how I did it with my headphone jack.
• 1998[13:55:34] <ilikeyou> diogenes_: lmao
• 1999[13:55:51] <petn-randall> jonaus: Then the volume range from 0-100% will be what you'll be using.
• 2000[13:56:36] <Kali_Yuga> what am I saying vbox also open. not awake yet i think. everythings working. just installed the deb you guys gave me, easiest. should still update the wiki then I wouldn't ask dumb questions ^^
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• 2005[13:58:47] <diogenes_> jonaus, you can setup keyboard shortcut with: pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ +3%
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• 2007[13:59:14] <diogenes_> you can add any number there and it will increase the volume only that much.
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• 2012[14:01:35] <ItsMarlin> hi
• 2013[14:02:01] <ItsMarlin> i'm trying to use amdgpu, but even with the firmware installed, debian complains about missing firmware at boot
• 2014[14:02:28] <earend1> update-ininitrd
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• 2016[14:03:09] <earend1> lib1-dri-mesa or so
• 2017[14:03:22] <earend1> and xserver-xorg-video-ati
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• 2019[14:04:46] <earend1> shit doesn't work here in buster too. but in worked in stretch with 'radeon' driver accel. with non-free firmware
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• 2021[14:05:20] <ItsMarlin> hmm, lib1-dri-mesa isn't a thing, it seems
• 2022[14:05:42] <earend1> apt search dri mesa
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• 2024[14:06:11] <earend1> and eventually firmware-realtek
• 2025[14:07:11] <BCMM> ItsMarlin: can you pastebin the relevant dmesg output?
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• 2027[14:07:43] <BCMM> earend1: i think you've confused "firmware" and "drivers" with those package suggestions
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• 2029[14:08:15] <jonaus> diogenes_: nice, TY!
• 2030[14:08:22] <earend1> i definitely confuse both
• 2031[14:08:43] <earend1> can u elaborate?
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• 2034[14:10:02] <BCMM> earend1: "drivers" are software running in Linux that communicates with hardware, and abstracts that hardware for applications. "firmware" is software that runs on the actual hardware device
• 2035[14:10:11] <BCMM> earend1: so graphics firmware, for example, runs on the GPU, not the CPU
• 2036[14:10:35] <ItsMarlin> It just says amdgpu kernel modesetting enabled, drm:amdgpu_pci_probe [amdgpu] *error* amdgpu requires firmware installed
• 2037[14:10:47] <ItsMarlin> but it is installed already
• 2038[14:10:49] <BCMM> ItsMarlin: it doesn't mention the name of the missing firmware file at all?
• 2039[14:11:00] <earend1> okay. but what exactly to would u suggest to chage and how
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• 2041[14:11:03] <ItsMarlin> weird, because, i had it working before, in another install
• 2042[14:11:15] <BCMM> earend1: most hardware has its firmware built-in, but hardware with particularly complicated firmware like graphics cards sometimes needs it to be loaded by the driver during boot
• 2043[14:11:19] <ItsMarlin> no, doesn't seem like it mentions it
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• 2045[14:11:41] <BCMM> ItsMarlin: hmm, that's odd. usually it would give a name for the missing firmware.
• 2046[14:12:04] <earend1> BCMM .. wouldn't apt do that? if not i would need to know
• 2047[14:12:28] <earend1> by installing one of that packages above
• 2048[14:12:45] <BCMM> ItsMarlin: what kernel are you using? and what firmware have you installed? firmware-amd-graphics?
• 2049[14:13:11] <earend1> yes. and the newest buster kernel afaik
• 2050[14:13:12] <BCMM> earend1: no, the firmware is often packaged separately from the driver, on Debian.
• 2051[14:13:26] <earend1> i get that.
• 2052[14:13:35] <BCMM> earend1: this is because the driver is free software, but the firmware (in this case) is a binary blob from the hardware manufacturer
• 2053[14:13:44] <earend1> still waiting for a suggestion on what to do.
• 2054[14:13:57] <earend1> it would help
• 2055[14:13:58] <ItsMarlin> BCMM: this and firmware-linux-nonfree. i'm on the stock 4.19 kernel
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• 2057[14:14:57] <earend1> i think i may try that one without 05 or so at end. heard somebody else was helped by downgrading ..
• 2058[14:15:28] <BCMM> ItsMarlin: can you pastebin the whole dmesg output?
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• 2060[14:15:57] <ItsMarlin> sorry, i'll have to leave for now. i'll try to figure it out
• 2061[14:16:16] <earend1> drop me a line if you find out
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• 2063[14:16:52] <earend1> interesting theres so many radeon crap around.
• 2064[14:17:10] <earend1> you guys have no graphicscard? okay its debian.
• 2065[14:17:15] <BCMM> earend1: have you got a problem with your radeon graphics too?
• 2066[14:17:24] <earend1> u dont use x-server at all :v
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• 2069[14:18:45] <earend1> not sure if its the graphics. but definitely some driver/firmware of the board. its all onboard. harrd system crash shorly after desktop laods .. can see the boo login for 0.4 s
• 2070[14:19:06] <BCMM> to be honest, i'm having difficulty understanding you
• 2071[14:19:17] <earend1> works in cli only with nomodeset switch..
• 2072[14:19:42] <earend1> thats fine. no need to be ashamed
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• 2077[14:22:58] <earend1> im afraid my terminogy is very inaccurate also. im a bit dyslexic as well. also my mama droppped on the floor accidently when i was small
• 2078[14:24:02] <earend1> but: yeah. radeon works not chef. what do i type in to make it better. i will try that. cant get any desktop to start atm.
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• 2082[14:25:27] <earend1> installing that 3 packages is also the suggested solution on debian wiki. aand it worked on stretch 9 ..but only in non-efi installation approved
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• 2086[14:27:26] <earend1> could it be i need to sign the driver or something? for efI? ive seen such an option in efibootmgr i believe ..but no clue how to use it qand if at all
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• 2089[14:28:54] <earend1> that hard crash .. power off .. seems a severe symptoms
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• 2097[14:36:44] <earend1> ppl also point to check if some x dot files in the users home directory have set proper rights.b but the relevant folder seems not have a config set.. is that normal? or somehow related to eventual sudo/root aspect of trouble source?
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• 2103[14:38:35] <earend1> lies
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• 2179[15:43:25] <user99> Rs780 is an onboard radwon chip I am having firmware issues with in buster. works fine in stretch and also having hard lock of disks when updating/rebooting
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• 2183[15:45:40] <user99> 12724] radeon 0000:01:05.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware radeon/RS780_pfp.bin
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• 2185[15:45:57] <user99> works fine in stretch
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• 2187[15:46:45] <user99> now I have to get what kernel and firmware pkg in order to use it?
• 2188[15:46:51] <user99> with buster
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• 2192[15:48:54] <dvs> firmware-amd-graphics?
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• 2194[15:49:42] <user99> tried it ...didn't recognize...
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• 2196[15:51:06] <user99> I could get 640x 480 abnd 720 x something...but that was as good as I could get ,,,but the main issue was hard locking disks and I dunno how graphics fw is ffixin that
• 2197[15:52:52] <user99> I confess to being away a few years ...kind of surprised to see ext4 as recommended on root
• 2198[15:53:48] <user99> and 25 GB at that when you have separate /home /var /tmp / seems excessive
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• 2201[15:54:08] <davorin> good afternoon (o;
• 2202[15:54:18] * user99 waves
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• 2204[15:54:56] <davorin> is there a trick to have ufw to allow asterisk to register with an outside sip server?
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• 2214[16:00:28] <davorin> ah stupid me (o;
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• 2216[16:00:44] <davorin> forget to set bind address from * to 0.0.0.0 after migrating to fixed line (o;
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• 2219[16:02:10] <davorin> but still wonder why i get a default route for each ethernet interface
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• 2226[16:06:17] <f8e3> i start using systemd to start processes in the server and keeping them alive after ssh closed, me new, what do i need for After=..?
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• 2230[16:07:04] <f8e3> i try to start via systemd start/stop thats all
• 2231[16:08:26] <avu> you don't *need* anything there, you may want After=network.target if it's a simple standalone service
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• 2233[16:09:55] <f8e3> avu do need systemd at all? why not tmux windows openend via .sh script, i have yet to grasp why sysd
• 2234[16:10:23] <f8e3> i only manually start restart, sometimes only parts of the process list to be started
• 2235[16:11:22] <avu> f8e3: systemd can do much more for you. If you don't actually use any of its features and want to start/restart/stop the service manually at all times, sure, go with tmux or something
• 2236[16:11:41] <f8e3> also how to monitor p1,p2,p3 etc, since they dont have a terminal they stdout to, so once i relogin via ssh tmux attach i can see the status
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• 2238[16:12:04] <avu> f8e3: journalctl gives you the output of a running servive
• 2239[16:12:24] <avu> f8e3: `journalctl -f -u your.service` for example
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• 2241[16:13:02] <f8e3> and if it crashes how to be notified via eg email or notify another process (which issuper stable running and reading in the error output of the crashed one)
• 2242[16:14:00] <avu> there are several ways to handle this, both detecting and defining what a "crash" is and reacting to it
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• 2245[16:14:34] <f8e3> can you point me to it, eg some exit signal and then how to configure what to do, where to put the rule? thus systemd it has Restart= and is linux native
• 2246[16:14:44] <avu> none of them have anything to do with Node and everything to do with systemd though, which has its own quite helpful channel over at #systemd
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• 2250[16:15:31] <f8e3> avu thank you ok
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• 2253[16:17:32] <avu> f8e3: do have a look at OnFailure in systemd.unit(5) though
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• 2273[16:28:41] <rmrfchik> hi. vmware-player grabbed all input. is there way to ungrab input without killing vm?
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• 2281[16:33:02] <DrJ> rmrfchik: ctrl+alt is the hotkey to release
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• 2285[16:35:07] <rmrfchik> DrJ: no help. I think the fact I'm accessing server via VNC (+x11vnc) make things worse
• 2286[16:36:05] <rmrfchik> ahhh. releasing take some time. in fact, ctrl+alt helps. thanks, DrJ!
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• 2288[16:37:54] <DrJ> rmrfchik: installing vmware tools in the VM often prevents the "hard grab" as well
• 2289[16:38:50] <DrJ> also... switch to virtualbox :)
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• 2291[16:40:03] <rmrfchik> I've install open-vm-tools
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• 2294[16:40:36] <DrJ> honestly, switch to virtualbox
• 2295[16:40:50] <rmrfchik> DrJ, I need to migrate my vm to esxi in future. So my admins said "use vmware-player instead of vbox"
• 2296[16:40:57] <rmrfchik> I use vbox for personal vms ;)
• 2297[16:41:03] <DrJ> okay, good
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• 2300[16:41:22] <DrJ> however, a virtualbox vm can be imported into esx just fine
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• 2303[16:42:20] <DrJ> honestly I'm not even sure if there is a true benefit of starting with vmware-player over vbox if the end result is a migration to esx
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• 2305[16:42:42] <DrJ> still a change of platform even though vmware-player and esx are both vmware
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• 2329[16:56:05] <Nong> yo
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• 2332[16:58:17] <dvs> nes
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• 2373[17:23:28] <uio1> Hi. In Buster FF, webrtc (appear.in) is not giving access to cam and mic. This worked before. Any ideas?
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• 2435[17:56:02] <jhutchins> Does player do 64b? It didn't a few years ago when I tried it.
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• 2451[18:04:42] <jelly> jhutchins, it didn't do x86_64 guests on an x86_64 host with x86_64 player?
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• 2485[18:29:08] <enri> hello
• 2486[18:29:40] <enri> after fuulupgrade geting these messages where should i get theese firmwares and how to install?
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• 2488[18:29:59] <enri> .W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/icl_dmc_ver1_07.bin for module i915
• 2489[18:29:59] <enri> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/bxt_huc_ver01_8_2893.bin for module i915
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• 2497[18:37:27] <jelly> judd, file icl_dmc_ver1_07.bin
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• 2499[18:37:32] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
• 2500[18:37:40] <LtL> enri: did you have contrib and non-free added to your buster sources.list as you upghraded to buster?
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• 2503[18:37:49] <jelly> judd, file icl_dmc_ver1_07.bin --release sid
• 2504[18:37:53] <judd> No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file.
• 2505[18:38:27] <jelly> enri, I suppose you can ask #intel-gfx about those, and what they might be useful for
• 2506[18:38:38] <enri> okey thanks
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• 2508[18:39:01] <jelly> it might be some extra features, like accelerated en/decoding of video
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• 2512[18:40:30] <jelly> enri, does anything actually fail to work?
• 2513[18:40:45] <enri> no it seems eveythning alright
• 2514[18:40:56] <enri> just you know in case
• 2515[18:41:02] <jelly> you can just ignore those, then.
• 2516[18:41:23] <jelly> enri, What does a web search say about "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/icl_dmc_ver1_07.bin" ?
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• 2518[18:41:41] <enri> not realy heppfull google
• 2519[18:41:53] <enri> thats why im asking here :)
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• 2523[18:42:20] <enri> already asked on intel channel about this
• 2524[18:42:30] <jelly> enri, which debian release is this?
• 2525[18:43:17] <enri> debian testing
• 2526[18:43:20] <enri> im on kali
• 2527[18:43:23] <jelly> there's a possibly related bug #931930 but that's for a 5.2 kernel
• 2528[18:43:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2530[18:43:30] <jelly> !kali
• 2531[18:43:31] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 2532[18:43:43] <jelly> enri, we can't support kali in here, sorry
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• 2534[18:44:06] <jelly> not testing, for that matter. If you were running regular Debian testing, you could ask in
• 2535[18:44:08] <enri> alrighty when i will figureout something :)
• 2536[18:44:11] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2537[18:44:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2563[18:58:11] <LtL> next time i ask what the hell they're running
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• 2599[19:21:27] <dmar198> I'm trying to set up a tor ssh session on my machine so I can access it remotely. I'm following the guide by tzhenghao on Medium "Go ahead and create an empty directory under /var/lib/tor/<your service folder name>." -- Whenever I try, I'm told permission is denied because the owner is debian-tor. I tried switching to debian-tor but I'm not sure wh
• 2600[19:21:28] <dmar198> at that user's pw is. What should I do?
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• 2610[19:24:39] <nvz> first of all that is probably a system user that doesn't have a password, you use root for that kinda stuff, secondly, /var/lib/ is not for services
• 2611[19:24:49] <nvz> thats what /srv/ or such is for
• 2612[19:24:50] <ninja> some best remote desktop clients for debian?
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• 2614[19:25:06] <nvz> ninja: x2go
• 2615[19:25:39] <ninja> there is no x2go
• 2616[19:25:44] <dmar198> thank you nvz, is there a better guide for setting up an ssh server over tor on debian?
• 2617[19:25:50] <nvz> ,i x2goserver
• 2618[19:25:51] <judd> Package x2goserver (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: X2Go Server. Version: 4.1.0.3-4; Size: 113.9k; Installed: 455k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2619[19:25:56] <nvz> , x2go-client
• 2620[19:26:02] <nvz> ,i x2go-client
• 2621[19:26:03] <judd> No package named 'x2go-client' was found in buster/amd64.
• 2622[19:26:07] <nvz> ,i x2goclient
• 2623[19:26:09] <judd> Package x2goclient (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: X2Go Client application (Qt5). Version: 4.1.2.1-2; Size: 1346.2k; Installed: 2689k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2631[19:27:25] <vertuxt[m]> <ninja "there is no x2go"> What about the built-in GNOME one?
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• 2633[19:27:42] <ninja> I don't use gnome xD
• 2634[19:28:15] <ninja> installing remmina now
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• 2638[19:29:43] <vertuxt[m]> So: apt install gnome ;)
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• 2640[19:31:09] <ninja> no way, right after this job done, I'll do apt purge remmina too
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• 2643[19:33:43] <vertuxt[m]> Is it an Msft remote?
• 2644[19:33:45] <nvz> dmar198: both tor and connect-proxy are in debian
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• 2647[19:34:48] <dmar198> but don't I need to create a tor hidden service in order to ssh into my machine over tor?
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• 2652[19:38:43] <Elodin> hello, is anyone here running debian on new ryzen 3000 processors?
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• 2654[19:40:54] <nvz> dmar198: I don't see what your problem is.. if you can't seem to handle something like becomming root, creating a directory changing ownership of that directory and adding two lines to a config file, then I don't see what use ssh over tor is going to do you
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• 2657[19:41:34] <nvz> because that adds not entirely necessary steps to using ssh which as it is, is a shell.. and you've already demonstrated you can't use a shell
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• 2668[19:47:31] <vertuxt[m]> Elodin: which Version you're asking for? There might be a bug in mature versions (PS: I dont have a ryzen here)
• 2669[19:48:01] <dmar198> nvz, I already created the directory as root, changed the ownership, and added two lines to the config file, and restarted tor, but when I did the next step -- which was to check if a hostname and a private key were created in the new directory -- I found that they were not
• 2670[19:48:46] <dmar198> I'm checking my log files now, but I'm not seeing any errors
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• 2676[19:51:49] <Elodin> vertuxt[m]: version of Debian? i think the latest? i haven't installed it yet. I'm probing in order to check that out. Cuz apparently if the mother board doesn't come with AMD's agesa patch 1.0.0.3 ABB it causes massive boot failure.
• 2677[19:51:52] <nvz> dmar198: what does systemctl status tor say?
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• 2679[19:52:08] <nvz> dmar198: systemctl status tor | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 2683[19:53:03] <dmar198> it says tor is active and tor.service is loaded and enabled
• 2684[19:54:52] <nvz> dmar198: pgrep tor
• 2685[19:55:08] <dmar198> 691
• 2686[19:55:10] <oats> hello, I'm running debian 9 on my vps and I'm trying to install matrix-synapse, but apt is giving me some version errors that I don't know how to resolve: replaced-url
• 2687[19:55:15] <oats> could I get some pointers please?
• 2688[19:56:04] <vertuxt[m]> Elodin : IIRC Debian has an patch for the Boot issues
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• 2692[19:56:57] <lupine> > matrix
• 2693[19:57:01] <lupine> found the problem
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• 2707[20:05:04] <Elodin> vertuxt[m]: you mean if i download the latest iso i'll get the patch or do i need to apply it myself/compiling?
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• 2709[20:05:57] <vertuxt[m]> I think it should be already applied
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• 2713[20:07:29] <Elodin> alright ill try it out.
• 2714[20:08:16] <vertuxt[m]> it should be addressed since systemd 241-4 , see Bufg #921267 for Details
• 2715[20:08:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2716[20:10:01] <nvz> dmar198: looks like it logs to /var/log/syslog by default.. and I'm still looking into trying to get it to work myself. I'd had webmin on here, then got rid of it and tried freedombox out and got rid of that.. heh.. turns out I still had plinth (freedombox) tor config files laying around I had to deal with
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• 2720[20:10:54] <Elodin> vertuxt[m]: I don't think this is the issue. The issue was, for instance, preventing me to boot liveCDs from latest ubuntu. Ubuntu had a kernel patch but wasn't applied.
• 2721[20:11:17] <Elodin> all modules would [FAILED] during boot proccess, but ill try it nevertheless
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• 2724[20:12:07] <nvz> oddly enough no amount of apt --purge autoremove *freedombox* or *plinth* or apt purge *freedombox* or such was getting rid of those configs
• 2725[20:12:17] <nvz> I had to manually rm -rf all the dirs
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• 2728[20:13:20] <vertuxt[m]> Elodin this sounds like SecureBoot enabled in your system?
• 2729[20:13:23] <dmar198> nvz, thank you, I appreciate your trying to work this out as well
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• 2731[20:13:48] <dmar198> I checked syslog earlier and there were no errors reported upon restarting tor
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• 2734[20:14:59] <dmar198> I'm trying to see what happens if I reboot the system now
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• 2736[20:15:26] <dmar198> alas, that too did not result in a private key or a hostname appearing in the folder I'm trying to get them to appear in
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• 2738[20:15:39] <nvz> well for the most part I think tor is just stupid cause I'd tried it ages ago and all it did was make my connections slow as snail shit and confuse services that try detect language.. but I do know just how serious the privacy situation is now.. so I figure it doesn't hurt to take another look :P
• 2739[20:16:12] <nvz> dmar198: yeah I wouldnt imagine it would.. I did notice however systemctl stop or restart doesn't kill the server.. I had to kill it manually
• 2740[20:16:21] <nvz> but it still didnt create those files
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• 2745[20:17:21] <Elodin> vertuxt[m]: this: replaced-url
• 2746[20:17:28] <dmar198> do you know somewhere that would be appropriate to ask? Is there a #tor channel?
• 2747[20:17:49] <nvz> dmar198: what distro/OS are you using on both sides?
• 2748[20:18:02] <tomreyn> there is #tor on oftc
• 2749[20:18:21] <dmar198> I'm using debian buster on the server and a custom variant of debian on the client
• 2750[20:18:21] <nvz> upstream isnt usually the best place to go for a debian issue
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• 2752[20:19:03] <dmar198> the server is very fresh, I only got it up and running two days ago
• 2753[20:19:06] <vertuxt[m]> Elodin : your link is exactly what the bug described
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• 2755[20:19:27] <Elodin> oh
• 2756[20:19:57] <nvz> dmar198: it appears to me that by default it doesnt actually start unless you have an instance case my old plinth instance was starting but the default wasnt.. I'm looking into
• 2757[20:20:27] * nvz is trying to get his system clean of all the residual plinth configs :P
• 2758[20:20:38] <mystic> any gays in ?
• 2759[20:20:55] <vertuxt[m]> Possible Issues with secureboot are described here replaced-url
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• 2762[20:22:06] * nvz starts at the service file and wanders around
• 2763[20:23:30] <nvz> yeah this service file does nothing but return true
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• 2783[20:33:57] <nvz> I'm just not understanding how the hell tor even starts/stops on debian.. it makes no sense to me. the tor.service is just a oneshot running /bin/true
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• 2791[20:37:21] <jhutchins> nvz: Do you know what you installed for tor?
• 2792[20:38:35] <nvz> jhutchins: apt install tor
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• 2794[20:38:59] <nvz> I just purged and autoremoved it first before installing it again
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• 2799[20:43:19] <vertuxt[m]> nvz: possibly just an dummy job for triggered instances . OpenVPN is similar
• 2800[20:43:49] <nvz> yes, it does have seperate instances I see now.. tor@default.service
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• 2802[20:44:15] <nvz> it seems pointless to even have that if it doesnt do anything
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• 2806[20:45:05] <vertuxt[m]> It depends on the defined conditions and paths in the tor@.... Services
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• 2808[20:46:27] <vertuxt[m]> Normally those require configuration files in an dedicated format on specific paths
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• 2811[20:48:11] <nvz> dmar198: in any case it would seem you want to work with systemctl restart tor@debian.service
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• 2813[20:48:50] <nvz> for me it first said the permissions were too lax, I changed the /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service to 600 and it got rid of that error anyhow
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• 2816[20:50:51] <nvz> now it's just complaining about keys and says OpenSSL version is not the version it was compiled with
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• 2820[20:52:15] <nvz> these are the errors I get in my syslog when trying to start tor@default replaced-url
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• 2823[20:54:14] <dmar198> thank you nvz, this is very helpful
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• 2826[20:55:51] <nvz> yeah well its not making a whole lot of sense to me.. its making me think anyone using this should be using the upstream version cause this is fubar
• 2827[20:56:15] <vertuxt[m]> I think you dont have the correct permissions on the hidden_ssh_service folder
• 2828[20:56:25] <nvz> the whole /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service//hs_ed25519_secret_key thing doesn't fill me with much confidence..
• 2829[20:56:28] <jhutchins> nvz: Are you trying to make your system a relay point for tor, or do you mean to install tor browser?
• 2830[20:56:40] <nvz> the template in the config says to put a trailing slash on the dir
• 2831[20:56:45] <nvz> yet its putting another slash
• 2832[20:56:59] <nvz> and its saying the maintainer didnt use the right OpenSSL for buster in the build
• 2833[20:57:19] <nvz> jhutchins: I'm just reproducing an issue for dmar198 who is trying to mask his ssh server as a tor service
• 2834[20:57:45] <dmar198> nvz you mentioned it would be better to use the upstream service
• 2835[20:57:47] <jhutchins> nvz: I found some older documentation on debian.org that recommended downloading the deb files from the tor project page.
• 2836[20:57:56] <dmar198> does that mean "sudo apt-get install tor" was the wrong choice?
• 2837[20:57:57] <vertuxt[m]> What permissions does /var/lib/Tor have? And whats about the subfolders?
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• 2840[20:58:16] <nvz> dmar198: yes I've heard before that tor is one of those things you want to keep up to date.. and I believe the tor project maintains repos for this
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• 2842[20:58:31] <vertuxt[m]> Maybe the hidden service is owned by root? Whilst your service is running as user?
• 2843[20:58:50] <nvz> ls: cannot open directory '/var/lib/tor': Permission denied
• 2844[20:58:50] <jhutchins> Ok, so he's basically trying to use it as a virtual router. I would not expect that to have a user interface.
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• 2846[20:58:56] <nvz> erm :P
• 2847[20:59:00] <dmar198> on my system /var/lib/tor is owned by user debian-tor
• 2848[20:59:04] <dmar198> and also group debian-tor
• 2849[20:59:09] <jhutchins> Are you doin gthese things as root or as a user?
• 2850[20:59:10] <nvz> replaced-url
• 2851[20:59:10] <nvz>
• 2852[20:59:27] <nvz> hmm.. dually noted.. runing that from my irc client adds a newline at the end :P
• 2853[20:59:34] <dmar198> I'm doing them as a user unless I run into permission problems, at which point I sudo
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• 2858[21:00:08] <dmar198> *should* I be doing these things as root?
• 2859[21:00:14] <vertuxt[m]> nvz: looks good .... Is the service running AS "debian-tor" as well?
• 2860[21:00:21] <arwn> If I want to find out which package has the X11/Xutil.h header I can use `dnf provides X11/Xutil.h` or something similar. What would I do in debian to find out?
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• 2862[21:00:45] <nvz> well its not running at all, but yes, the config tells it to run as debian-tor
• 2863[21:01:36] <Habbie> arwn, apt-file search
• 2864[21:01:54] <Habbie> arwn, or dpkg -S if you already have the right package installed (i.e. the file is present)
• 2865[21:02:11] <vertuxt[m]> Could you do: sudo -u debian-tor touch /var/lib/hidden_...._service/test ?
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• 2867[21:02:22] <jhutchins> nvz: Anything with "onion" in the process name? The debian package docs mention "the onion proxy", so I might expect a proxy to be running there.
• 2868[21:02:23] <arwn> Habbie, I think what i'm looking for is apt-file search. danke.
• 2869[21:02:29] <vertuxt[m]> Sorry for shortening ...im typing on Android
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• 2872[21:03:07] <nvz> replaced-url
• 2873[21:03:17] <jhutchins> nvz: Also, I think a proxy is something you can set up entirely with iptables. If that were the case you wouldn't see an additional process.
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• 2875[21:03:40] <Habbie> arwn, kein problem
• 2876[21:03:41] <jhutchins> !tor
• 2877[21:03:41] <dpkg> The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. For use on OFTC, ask me about <oftc tor>. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (replaced-url
• 2878[21:03:57] <jhutchins> Might try that oftc channel.
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• 2880[21:04:32] <jhutchins> nvz: I think the problem here is nobody's active who knows what it's supposed to look like when it's working.
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• 2886[21:05:55] <elm_> I need to compare package versions
• 2887[21:06:03] * nvz tries the upstream packages from "deb replaced-url
• 2888[21:06:14] <vertuxt[m]> For me It looks like just the permissions need do be resolved
• 2889[21:06:18] <elm_> What to do with something like +LibO6.1.5-3deb10u3
• 2890[21:06:38] <elm_> the letters are causing me some trouble
• 2891[21:06:57] <elm_> what if there are to +xx and +yy both starting with different letters
• 2892[21:07:15] <dmar198> I tried sudo -u debian-tor touch /var/lib/tor/hidden_***_ test.txt and it worked
• 2893[21:07:30] <jhutchins> This looks useful: replaced-url
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• 2895[21:08:20] <dmar198> jhutchins, that's the guide I followed. I got all the way to the step "Navigate to the hidden service directory..." and that's when I discovered that the files he says should be there (after restarting) aren't there
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• 2897[21:08:33] <jhutchins> dmar198: That's pretty step-by-step and reasonably current.
• 2898[21:08:41] <nvz> yeah its exactly the same with the upstream version
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• 2900[21:09:02] <jhutchins> dmar198: Did you see the part about changing ownership? (I think I saw that you'd done that.)
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• 2902[21:09:22] <dmar198> I did see the changing ownership part, and when I checked who the current owner was, it was already debian-tor
• 2903[21:09:34] <dmar198> but when it didn't work I ran the command to change owner and change group anyway
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• 2905[21:10:21] <dmar198> if I do sudo stat /var/lib/tor I see this: "Uid: ( 118/debian-tor) Gid: ( 125/debian-tor)"
• 2906[21:10:51] <dmar198> which is what I think I want to see based on tzhenghao's guide
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• 2910[21:11:31] <vertuxt[m]> What a mystery
• 2911[21:12:15] <dmar198> jhutchins, you mentioned an oftc channel
• 2912[21:12:18] <dmar198> is that #oftc?
• 2913[21:12:27] <nvz> dmar198: #debian on irc.oftc.net
• 2914[21:12:37] <elm_> where can I ask how to compare Debian package versions?
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• 2916[21:12:59] <nvz> dmar198: did you ever systemctl restart tor@default and check /var/log/syslog?
• 2917[21:13:25] <Habbie> elm_, dpkg --compare-versions can compare them for you
• 2918[21:13:53] <elm_> Habbie: do I really need to read the source of dpkg for that?
• 2919[21:13:54] <jhutchins> dmar198: No, it's #tor, but it's on the oftc.net servers, not freenode.
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• 2921[21:14:01] <dmar198> I see Job for tor@default.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
• 2922[21:14:08] <dmar198> See "systemctl status tor@default.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
• 2923[21:14:19] <elm_> Habbie: I am programming a script called debcheckroot and it must not invoke dpkg for security reasons
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• 2925[21:14:23] <vertuxt[m]> dmar198 could you verify the touch test with that double slash between test.txt and the hidden service dir?
• 2926[21:14:24] <Habbie> elm_, dpkg --compare-versions 3 lt 5 ; echo $?; dpkg --compare-versions 5 lt 3 ; echo $?; will output '0' and '1'
• 2927[21:14:44] <elm_> that does not help
• 2928[21:14:46] <Habbie> elm_, as for learning how that works, i'm sure there's documentation somewhere that's better than reading the dpkg source, but i always went with using dpkg for convenience..
• 2929[21:14:47] <elm_> I have no dpkg
• 2930[21:15:16] <jhutchins> elm_: Are you running debian? Which release?
• 2931[21:15:16] <nvz> dmar198: cat /var/log/syslog | tail -n 50 | nc termbin.com 9999
• 2932[21:15:17] <dmar198> cannot touch 'test2.txt': Permission denied
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• 2934[21:16:13] <dmar198> h/o
• 2935[21:16:18] <vertuxt[m]> Ok i think wie tracked it.... Find the config wheere you specify the hidden_SSH_service and remove the trailing /
• 2936[21:16:18] <nvz> vertuxt[m]: that works fine (as root)
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• 2940[21:16:35] <nvz> vertuxt[m]: and no, as I said before the file clearly shows using a trailing slash
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• 2942[21:16:51] <elm_> jhutchins: that does not matter; debcheckroot should run from any bootable linux medium and it must not call any of the programs in the Debian installation it is checking
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• 2944[21:17:07] <vertuxt[m]> nvz: but dmar198 stated the second test failed...
• 2945[21:17:08] <elm_> replaced-url
• 2946[21:17:09] <nvz> replaced-url
• 2947[21:17:12] <dmar198> replaced-url
• 2948[21:17:13] <nvz> vertuxt[m]: ^
• 2949[21:17:27] <Habbie> elm_, where does debcheckroot itself come from when ran?
• 2950[21:17:34] <nvz> dmar198: do NOT use pastebin.com, anywhere, ever.. use paste.debian.net
• 2951[21:17:55] <dmar198> oh I'm sorry. If it can be stated in only a few words, what's wrong with pastebin?
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• 2954[21:18:20] <Habbie> dmar198, it has ads and i find it is often unreachable for me
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• 2957[21:18:45] <dmar198> replaced-url
• 2958[21:19:23] <nvz> dpkg, pastebin.com?
• 2959[21:19:24] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
• 2960[21:19:28] <vertuxt[m]> dmar198 your log States that your permissions are wrong on hidden_ssh_service
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• 2962[21:19:54] <dmar198> should the owner "not" be debian-tor?
• 2963[21:19:54] <jhutchins> elm_: So you're running from a non-debian live device trying to get grub installed on a debian system?
• 2964[21:20:19] <nvz> dmar198: thats just a summary.. but it modifies what you paste, uses heavy js, captcha, ads, popups, has an inconsistent interface.. etc.. its just a nightmare
• 2965[21:20:26] <vertuxt[m]> nvz: your issue might be the double slash (whyever)
• 2966[21:20:37] <elm_> jhutchins: not installing grub but verifying all installed debian packages
• 2967[21:21:01] <elm_> I unpack the packages and check for the md5sums in the package headers
• 2968[21:21:03] <vertuxt[m]> dmar198 it should be debian-tor, but with 0700 or sth
• 2969[21:21:03] <nvz> vertuxt[m]: no that works fine.. the issue is that they programmed it like that in the first place doesn't fill one with much confidence
• 2970[21:21:31] <dmar198> how do I add the 0700 to user debian-tor?
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• 2972[21:21:38] <jhutchins> dmar198: Remember that a user must have execute permissions on a folder in order to read it.
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• 2974[21:21:51] <vertuxt[m]> nvz they built it for multi service instances in isolated processes
• 2975[21:21:58] <jhutchins> dmar198: You change the file/folder, not the user.
• 2976[21:22:02] <nvz> it worked for me.. I did like a jagoff put it 600 not 700
• 2977[21:22:12] <nvz> forgot it was a directory :P
• 2978[21:22:27] <vertuxt[m]> Maybe even that.... I have no box here ;)
• 2979[21:23:04] <jhutchins> elm_: The debian installer does that when you install, and you can use debsums if you want to verify packages post-install.
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• 2981[21:23:11] <nvz> dmar198: chown 700 /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service
• 2982[21:23:14] <dmar198> is that something I do with chown or chgrp?
• 2983[21:23:19] <dmar198> thx nvz
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• 2988[21:23:41] <elm_> jhutchins: debsums is very unsafe; read: replaced-url
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• 2993[21:24:29] <hays> i am upgrading from 9 to 10 and it seems to be hung on a postgres restart
• 2994[21:25:00] <hays> ctrl-c doesn't work
• 2995[21:25:03] <nvz> now I may consider using this if it doesn't affect my connection and I can figure out how to do it on android with juicessh :P
• 2996[21:25:04] <vertuxt[m]> <afk
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• 2998[21:25:41] <dmar198> I did that and restarted tor but I'm still not seeing a private key or a hostname in my hidden folder
• 2999[21:25:52] <skapata> Was support for TCL/TK for Ruby/Perl removed from Debian? I cannot install neither libtkx-perl nor libtcltk-ruby. I've already tried similar names like ruby-tcl.
• 3000[21:25:56] <dmar198> hidden service directory*
• 3001[21:25:59] <nvz> dmar198: systemctl restart tor@default.service
• 3002[21:26:34] <dmar198> Job for tor@default.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
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• 3004[21:26:56] <nvz> dmar198: cat /var/log/syslog | tail -n 50 | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 3006[21:27:15] <dmar198> replaced-url
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• 3008[21:27:39] <jhutchins> dmar198: I'm pretty sure there's more output from systemctl than just that one line.
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• 3010[21:28:01] <nvz> heh
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• 3012[21:28:18] <dmar198> jhutchins: only that and one other, similar line
• 3013[21:28:19] <nvz> na, the info we need is in syslog, and he pasted it
• 3014[21:28:30] <nvz> it indicates you fubarred the permissions
• 3015[21:28:45] <nvz> you must have done chown 700 not chmod 700
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• 3018[21:29:28] <dmar198> so I shouldn't have typed "chown 700 /var/lib/tor/hidden-ssh"?
• 3019[21:29:36] <nvz> chown debian-tor:debian-tor /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service/; chmod 700 /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service/
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• 3022[21:29:42] <nvz> no, you should not have :P
• 3023[21:30:01] <nvz> dmar198: apparently I told you the wrong thing :D
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• 3026[21:30:10] * nvz yinzersmite nvz
• 3027[21:30:12] <dmar198> oops! okay this time I did chmod 700 /var/lib/tor/hidden-ssh/
• 3028[21:30:17] <nvz> !yinzersmite nvz
• 3029[21:30:17] * dpkg pahds nvz fer behavin like an ig'nent yinzer.
• 3030[21:30:24] <jhutchins> dmar198: You made user 700 the owner if it worked, but since there is no such user it should have failed.
• 3031[21:30:39] <nvz> dmar198: you need to do both commands
• 3032[21:30:47] <nvz> dmar198: chown debian-tor:debian-tor /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service/; chmod 700 /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service/
• 3033[21:31:09] <jhutchins> nvz: Doesn't chown refuse to change if the user is invalid? It does on some systems.
• 3034[21:31:20] <nvz> jhutchins: idk
• 3035[21:31:39] <dmar198> I've done both now, but since I did chmod first it's in the wrong order
• 3036[21:31:42] <dmar198> does that matter?
• 3037[21:32:02] <jhutchins> Yup, returns "invalid user <foo>"
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• 3040[21:32:14] <nvz> jhutchins: not on debian anyhow, I did touch this then chown 70000 this and ls -l shows it owned by 70000
• 3041[21:32:16] <dmar198> mine didn't return invalid user
• 3042[21:32:41] <jhutchins> dmar198: ls -ld /var/lib/tor/hidden)ssh_service
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• 3045[21:33:16] <nvz> dmar198: doesn't matter if you typed both commands it should be correct now
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• 3047[21:33:33] <dmar198> Job for tor@default.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
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• 3050[21:33:50] <jhutchins> dmar198: ls -ld /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service
• 3051[21:33:57] <elm_> jhutchins: where to ask?
• 3052[21:34:12] <dmar198> replaced-url
• 3053[21:34:24] <elm_> Habbie: any idea?
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• 3055[21:34:41] <nvz> dmar198: I only added two lines in mine
• 3056[21:34:51] <jhutchins> elm_: Ask what?
• 3057[21:35:02] <danderson> Hello! I have a bit of a procedural question: replaced-url
• 3058[21:35:03] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3059[21:35:17] <dmar198> so I should get rid of the line with HiddenServiceAuthorizeClient in it?
• 3060[21:35:20] <nvz> dmar198: /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service/
• 3061[21:35:25] <nvz> dmar198: and its working for me
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• 3063[21:35:30] <danderson> My assumption is that, since it's the same upstream package version, it'll end up pushed out to stable as well, but I can't find confirmation.
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• 3065[21:35:39] <nvz> dmar198: erm.. paste fail :P
• 3066[21:35:42] <nvz> dmar198: replaced-url
• 3067[21:35:50] <elm_> jhutchins: I am still asking the same question: how to compare Debian version stamps on my own?
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• 3069[21:36:11] <nvz> dmar198: I did the :13375 cause thats the port mine is running on
• 3070[21:36:22] <elm_> jhutchins: debsums does not do what I want - and Patrick Schleizer from the whonix project welcoms debcheckroot
• 3071[21:36:25] <jhutchins> danderson: Ideally install testing and verify that the bug exists there, file a new report referencing the old one.
• 3072[21:36:29] <dmar198> ok I'll get rid of the authorizeclient line
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• 3074[21:36:53] <nvz> dmar198: its complaining about some rendevous thing too
• 3075[21:36:58] <danderson> jhutchins: the bug definitely exists in testing+unstable right now, the fix hasn't been packaged yet.
• 3076[21:37:00] <elm_> jhutchins: debsums is insecure
• 3077[21:37:01] <nvz> dmar198: I only added those two lines and its working
• 3078[21:37:17] <jhutchins> danderson: In that case, the answer is "wait".
• 3079[21:37:28] <danderson> I'm just wondering if it's normal procedure for fixes to flow all the way back to stable, if the upstream versions are still all the same
• 3080[21:37:29] <nvz> I just need to see how it works and if I can get it to work with juicessh on android
• 3081[21:37:39] <nvz> cause if I can't do it from mobile, then its pointless for me
• 3082[21:37:41] <dmar198> no errors :D
• 3083[21:37:59] <jhutchins> danderson: Bugs should be fixed in the testing packages, the fix should have to come through sid/testing to reach stable.
• 3084[21:38:02] <nvz> not to mention it has to work with mosh for me
• 3085[21:38:05] <danderson> i.e. stable is systemd 242-4, testing+unstable is 242-5. That suggests to me that the patch releases do flow backwards over time
• 3086[21:38:07] <nvz> cause I haven't used ssh in ages
• 3087[21:38:51] <danderson> jhutchins: got it, thanks. (to be clear, wasn't complaining, just wanted to check that I don't need to file more bugs requesting the fix in stable - which it sounds like I don't, it'll reach stable as part of the normal package lifecycle)
• 3088[21:39:06] <nvz> so I guess for my usage I'd need an onion for ssh and mosh
• 3089[21:39:17] <dmar198> now I've got the files I was looking for in the folders I wanted them to be in :D thanks for helping nvz and jhutchins and others
• 3090[21:39:17] <Habbie> elm_, any idea for what? also you did not answer my question about where the debcheckroot binary would come from when ran
• 3091[21:39:39] <hays> ugh what is it with postgres on this upgrade
• 3092[21:39:56] <jhutchins> danderson: That's my understanding of the process.
• 3093[21:39:56] <hays> now hanging on 'setting up postgresql-common'
• 3094[21:40:16] <danderson> jhutchins: cheers, much appreciated!
• 3095[21:40:18] <jhutchins> hays: Anything in the release notes or errata?
• 3096[21:40:38] <elm_> Habbie: it is currently a perl script
• 3097[21:40:43] <nvz> dmar198: did it mention anything about needing these public keys on the client?
• 3098[21:40:48] <jhutchins> I'm not actually sure how you go about reporting a bug in multiple releases.
• 3099[21:40:58] <Habbie> elm_, ok, besides the point, where does it come from when somebody runs it?
• 3100[21:41:10] <dmar198> nvz, I haven't tried sshing into the server yet
• 3101[21:41:17] <elm_> Habbie: read replaced-url
• 3102[21:41:30] <nvz> dmar198: I'm gonna try it at some point.. but I have more elaborate requirements as I use mosh not ssh
• 3103[21:41:31] <Habbie> elm_, that's not a question i have; also i have read the page
• 3104[21:41:39] <elm_> Habbie: you should download it either with tor or have it on usb stick
• 3105[21:41:47] <dmar198> *googles mosh*
• 3106[21:41:51] <Habbie> elm_, so why not put a known-good dpkg binary with it?
• 3107[21:42:10] <elm_> Habbie: that isn´t linked statically
• 3108[21:42:13] <dmar198> that's amazing nvz, you must have strong thumbs
• 3109[21:42:14] <nvz> dmar198: mosh is UDP where ssh is TCP.. mosh can handle indefinite lag, switching networks, etc..
• 3110[21:42:17] <Habbie> elm_, it could be
• 3111[21:42:24] <Habbie> elm_, why download over tor?
• 3112[21:42:41] <elm_> Habbie: that infrastructure to build something is far too expensive
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• 3115[21:43:18] <nvz> dmar198: you could start a mosh session in the US, put your machine to sleep, hop on a plane, and wake the machine in london and still be connected
• 3116[21:43:32] <elm_> Habbie: because tor makes you download it anonymously; the NSA is usually only spoofing downloads targeted at specific persons
• 3117[21:43:42] <dmar198> mosh sounds like a really big deal
• 3118[21:43:45] <Habbie> elm_, aha
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• 3121[21:43:55] <elm_> Habbie: what for ARM; it should work there as well
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• 3124[21:44:21] <Habbie> elm_, ah, portability is a realistic problem
• 3125[21:44:35] <Habbie> elm_, then we're back to "maybe somebody already typed in a perl version of deb version comparison" indeed
• 3126[21:44:39] <nvz> dmar198: yeah, its the only way to go anymore :P I'm guessing if you setup two onion services one for ssh and one for mosh it can be done this way.. as mosh uses ssh for the authentication so you'd wanna put mosh on an onion service too so the actual connection not just the auth would be masked
• 3127[21:44:54] <coyotears> does anyone know anything about flashing phones on debian?
• 3128[21:44:56] <Habbie> can you even mosh over onion?
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• 3130[21:45:07] <nvz> I'm gonna try it and see :P
• 3131[21:45:17] <Habbie> coyotears, adb and fastboot should work fine on debian
• 3132[21:45:20] <elm_> Habbie: yes that would read easier though I am currently re-implementing debcheckroot under python3
• 3133[21:45:27] <nvz> then the next step would be trying to get juicessh on android to work with it :P
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• 3137[21:45:35] <Habbie> elm_, s/perl/python/ in my question then - seems even more likely to exist to be fair
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• 3139[21:45:39] <coyotears> in wine, habbie?
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• 3144[21:45:55] <coyotears> i know there's adb for gnu/linux
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• 3148[21:46:16] <coyotears> i tried it and $adb devices doesn't show any device
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• 3152[21:46:18] <nvz> I'd rather use this if its doable and doesnt severely affect the network, cause it would only require me to expose one port for everything..
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• 3154[21:46:20] <coyotears> do i need drivers?
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• 3164[21:46:48] <nvz> but last I used tor for anything it was just slow and annoying
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• 3182[21:49:06] <Habbie> coyotears, i did not mean in wine, no
• 3183[21:49:10] <arwn> Did I install debian wrong? for some reason root doesn't have sbin in it's path. I can add it of course but this seems like something that I shouldn't have to do..
• 3184[21:49:13] <coyotears> ok
• 3185[21:49:16] <Habbie> coyotears, if adb devices doesn't show anything, that usually means that the -device- is unwilling
• 3186[21:49:23] <Habbie> arwn, how did you become root?
• 3187[21:49:29] <arwn> su
• 3188[21:49:31] <tarzeau> arwn: they broke /sbin
• 3189[21:49:41] <Habbie> arwn, try 'su -'
• 3190[21:49:49] <coyotears> Habbie, fastboot is working! getvar all shows information!
• 3191[21:49:52] <Habbie> arwn, is /usr/sbin in your path?
• 3192[21:49:53] <Habbie> coyotears, yay
• 3193[21:49:57] <coyotears> hallelujah!
• 3194[21:50:03] * coyotears beats tamborine
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• 3196[21:50:29] <f8e3> can i set ssh password for root@ only not user@ip?
• 3197[21:50:51] <arwn> Habbie: ok. i'm not pedantic enough. thanks.
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• 3199[21:52:26] <jhutchins> f8e3: Your question doesn't quite make sense. If you are root or the user, you can set your local password.
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• 3202[21:53:01] <jhutchins> f8e3: WHy don't you tell us what you're actually trying to accomplish.
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• 3206[21:54:16] <f8e3> i try to protect my server ssh login in case my notebook .ssh keys are breached. so if he can login user@serverip is ok, but not root@serverip
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• 3209[21:54:43] <coyotears> Habbie, is there a good place to look for the RUU.zip?
• 3210[21:54:48] <Habbie> f8e3, then set PermitRootLogin in sshd_config to what you want
• 3211[21:54:54] <Habbie> coyotears, i don't know what that is but i'm sure it's offtopic in here..
• 3212[21:55:02] <coyotears> ah right
• 3213[21:55:11] <coyotears> thx
• 3214[21:55:29] <Habbie> i think there was an XDA channel on here in the past, perhaps there still is, but that's all i have to offer
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• 3225[21:59:07] <coyotears> ok thx Habbie
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• 3227[21:59:44] <f8e3> The argument must be ''yes'', ''without-password'', ''forced-commands-only'', or ''no''. The default is ''yes''. // where is password-only option?
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• 3232[22:02:21] <f8e3> Habbie Habbie is yes, how do i set it to at least query for password?
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• 3234[22:02:43] <Habbie> f8e3, i'm not sure that's easily done
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• 3237[22:03:12] <f8e3> wow i can easily get skrewed then, how to protect th eroot login?
• 3238[22:03:36] <Habbie> i don't think i understand the problem you are solving
• 3239[22:03:42] <Habbie> i recommend not letting anybody ever log in as root
• 3240[22:03:47] <Habbie> so, PermitRootLogin no
• 3241[22:03:52] <humpled> yup
• 3242[22:03:57] <Habbie> log in to user@ip with keys; then have a password for su or sudo
• 3243[22:05:04] <f8e3> Habbie so a file that was user chown no is sudo cant be read by user anymore for sure?
• 3244[22:05:23] <Habbie> f8e3, please rephrase that
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• 3246[22:05:50] <Tjowers> Is there an easy way to erase everything I've downloaded and start debian back at scratch?
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• 3248[22:06:02] <f8e3> Habbie when storing important files one can use root ownership, if owner changes foo to root noone can read/write unless root,
• 3249[22:06:10] <f8e3> so i nomore need root login, that would be good
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• 3251[22:06:30] <Habbie> f8e3, yes
• 3252[22:06:38] <f8e3> Tjowers i most often just reinstall and migrate the home dir cherrypicked
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• 3266[22:09:58] <dmar198> nvz I'm having a related problem
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• 3268[22:10:22] <dmar198> according to tzhenghao's guide, "Your hostname file should contain an autogenerated .onion file and a secret passphrase that looks somewhat like the one shown below:"
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• 3270[22:10:39] <dmar198> but I don't see the secret passphrase, I only see the .onion file
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• 3273[22:11:08] <dmar198> I suppose this would be a question for oftc though
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• 3275[22:11:10] <dmar198> thanks guys!
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• 3288[22:17:05] <elm_> Habbie: replaced-url
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• 3300[22:17:20] <elm_> That is my version of Debian version comparrel
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• 3303[22:17:27] <elm_> No idea whether it would be correct
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• 3307[22:18:15] <elm_> it first splits the string by the respective separators: ":" then by "~", by "+", by "." and finally by "-"
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• 3309[22:18:46] <elm_> for the remaining tokens it searches until a number is found and then compares both numbers
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• 3311[22:19:08] <elm_> if there are two different non-number prefixes these are compared as well
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• 3319[22:22:37] <dashs> How to install GRUB loader on the mirror drive (mdadm) of a Raid 1 boot drive?
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• 3340[22:30:41] <elm_> another question: are there updates for non-free?
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• 3342[22:31:41] <hays> does anyone know why postgres is hanging on restart for me? systemd seems to be waiting for a password
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• 3352[22:35:57] <tarzeau> elm_: sure, why should there not? which pkg?
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• 3354[22:36:43] <tarzeau> hays: does it say why it wants a password? (broken disk/filesystem/unplugged/removed/replaced disk?)
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• 3357[22:37:14] <hays> tarzeau: nope. only way i know that is from ps faux and the name ofthe systemctl process
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• 3359[22:38:49] <tarzeau> systemd costs me so much nerves, anything related to it, i charge double
• 3360[22:39:13] <humpled> prolly should run sudo journalctl and look around
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• 3362[22:39:51] <elm_> tarzeau: I could construct artifical version strings and compare them with dpkg
• 3363[22:39:54] <elm_> on my todo list
• 3364[22:40:23] <hays> humpled: nothing really in there.
• 3365[22:40:30] <humpled> huh
• 3366[22:40:58] <hays> humpled: it restarts. i can get in. but because it hangs like this i cant get through a dpkg --configure
• 3367[22:42:08] <humpled> wonder what it's looking for
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• 3383[22:49:41] <ec0> lol
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• 3405[23:04:16] <donofrio> need advise, I want to get xfce4.14 goodness and hopefully 5.3 kernel on my rpi4b replaced-url
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• 3407[23:05:00] <jhutchins> donofrio: Then you probably don't want Debian.
• 3408[23:05:06] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 3409[23:05:07] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-rc5-686 (5.3~rc5-1~exp2); sid: 5.2.0-2-686 (5.2.9-2); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-5+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u5); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u5~deb8u1)
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• 3411[23:05:16] <jhutchins> ,v xfce4
• 3412[23:05:17] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; bullseye: 4.12.5; buster: 4.12.5; sid: 4.12.5
• 3413[23:05:28] <donofrio> I love debian....its running it now
• 3414[23:05:49] <donofrio> no 5.3 for aarch64?
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• 3418[23:07:26] <hays> the postgresql-11 config file was pointing to the wrong location
• 3419[23:07:49] <donofrio> no xfce4.14 perhaps a repo needed?
• 3420[23:08:07] <donofrio> I mean 4.12 is great just yah its new...
• 3421[23:08:09] <donofrio> lol
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• 3423[23:08:57] <towo`> donofrio, you don't run debian, you run raspbian
• 3424[23:09:27] <donofrio> agreed'ish
• 3425[23:09:46] <towo`> donofrio, for debian, xfce 4.14 is in testing and unstable
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• 3427[23:10:22] <humpled> orly
• 3428[23:10:43] <donofrio> kewlness....
• 3429[23:11:17] <donofrio> so to get xfce4.12 the way it is.....just apt-get xfce or something group related that swaps out gdm/lightdm?
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• 3431[23:12:24] <hays> is there a way to make /var/run symlink to /run if my machine isn't set up this way
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• 3434[23:13:15] <towo`> donofrio, judd is wrong, testing and unstable has 4.14
• 3435[23:13:52] <towo`> but i don't know, if you can mix raspbian and debian without problems
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• 3451[23:21:23] <TempHorse> hi can i ask my query on oftc debian cannel and here at same time
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• 3454[23:22:17] <jelly> TempHorse, please use only one channel of those
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• 3458[23:23:15] <jelly> TempHorse, it is considered rude to make two sets of people think of the possible solutions for you if they are not being able to see what the others have already thought of
• 3459[23:23:35] <TempHorse> okay sir
• 3460[23:24:47] <jelly> so one channel at a time. If you exhaust all the help, and your issue is still not solved, THEN you can come ask in the other channel, but please show the work done so far and the suggestions from the previous channel
• 3461[23:26:03] <warsoul> how can i SSH to a server on debian?
• 3462[23:26:19] <ayew> ssh <ip/host>
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• 3464[23:27:28] <jelly> warsoul, use any ssh client. openssh-client is used if the machine you're starting from is also Debian.
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• 3467[23:28:38] <warsoul> im trying ssh ip
• 3468[23:28:40] <warsoul> but is not working
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• 3471[23:29:10] <Gerowen> warsoul: Is port 22 open on the destination machine?
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• 3473[23:29:29] <warsoul> yes
• 3474[23:29:29] <Gerowen> warsoul: And if it's behind a router, is port 22 forwarded in some way on the router that's between them?
• 3475[23:29:34] <RedLine> hi
• 3476[23:29:49] <warsoul> Gerown i just bought a VPS
• 3477[23:29:53] <warsoul> and im trying to connect
• 3478[23:30:12] <RedLine> i got some cocaine 90 %pure from mexico if you are interesting please send me a email to ubi@tutano.com
• 3479[23:30:18] <ayew> hmm if its a vps you really shouldn't be having issues.
• 3480[23:30:29] <RedLine> ubi@tutanota.com
• 3481[23:30:35] <warsoul> is not connecting
• 3482[23:30:39] <warsoul> i type ssh ip
• 3483[23:30:50] <warsoul> and it stays like that
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• 3496[23:32:45] <Gerowen> What is the domain name/IP? I can try it from here and see if it responds in some way. Don't give me username/password, I just need domain name/ip and the port SSH is listening on if it's not 22.
• 3497[23:33:00] <Gerowen> It should at the very least tell me to take a hike.
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• 3500[23:33:20] <Gerowen> You can PM it to me if you want.
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• 3508[23:35:56] <Wulf> Hello
• 3509[23:35:57] <karlpinc> !errors
• 3510[23:35:57] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
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• 3512[23:36:37] <Wulf> I upgraded some packages on my system. Afterwards the mac address of my wlan0 network device is changed. Which package is causing this and why?
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• 3514[23:37:28] <warsoul> Gerowen i PM you the ip
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• 3516[23:37:32] <Gerowen> warsoul: Getting no response, not responding to ping either. Is it up and running?
• 3517[23:37:39] <warsoul> yes
• 3518[23:37:49] <warsoul> it says status online
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• 3520[23:38:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
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• 3530[23:40:48] <Gerowen> warsoul: Did an nmap port scan (no ping) just for kicks and got no information out of it. So either it's not running, the IP isn't correct, etc. The traceroute shows a hop to colocrossing.com , but that's about it.
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• 3533[23:41:57] <Gerowen> Not saying you're lying, just saying it appears to be some kind of a technical issue on that end, at least to me.
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• 3539[23:47:13] <donofrio> does debian have package groups like ubuntu-desktop ( that installs all desktop packages) but perhaps xfce-desktop?
• 3540[23:47:50] <humpled> yup, and tasksel
• 3541[23:47:56] <jelly> donofrio, it has tasks in particular for different desktop environments
• 3542[23:48:10] <jelly> ,i task-xfce-desktop
• 3543[23:48:12] <judd> Package task-xfce-desktop (tasks, optional) in buster/amd64: Xfce. Version: 3.53; Size: 1.1k; Installed: 6k
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• 3545[23:48:28] <donofrio> help I'm stuck already lol replaced-url
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• 3548[23:49:11] <nvz> donofrio: apt policy | nc termbin.com 9999
• 3549[23:49:16] <jelly> donofrio, you have, or have been, mixing repos for different debian releases on this system
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• 3551[23:49:21] <jelly> !bat
• 3552[23:49:21] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3553[23:49:25] <jelly> donofrio, ^
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• 3557[23:49:50] <donofrio> replaced-url
• 3558[23:50:06] <nvz> !raspbian
• 3559[23:50:06] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 3562[23:50:41] <jelly> still xfce 4.8 would be was too old for buster
• 3563[23:50:43] <nvz> it would seem they based that on buster when it was still testing
• 3564[23:50:46] <jelly> way*
• 3565[23:50:54] <donofrio> this says 'buster' replaced-url
• 3566[23:50:57] <jelly> ,v xfce4
• 3567[23:50:58] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; bullseye: 4.12.5; buster: 4.12.5; sid: 4.12.5
• 3568[23:51:06] <nvz> ,v xfce4-appindicator
• 3569[23:51:07] <judd> No package named 'xfce4-appindicator' was found in amd64.
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• 3571[23:51:18] <nvz> ,v xfce4-appfinder
• 3572[23:51:20] <judd> Package: xfce4-appfinder on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1-1; buster: 4.12.0-2; stretch: 4.12.0-2; bullseye: 4.12.0-2+b1; sid: 4.12.0-2+b1; experimental: 4.13.3-1
• 3573[23:51:20] <donofrio> eek only amt64 arch ;(
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• 3575[23:51:39] <nvz> ,v xfce4-appfinder --arch armhf
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• 3577[23:51:41] <judd> Package: xfce4-appfinder on armhf -- jessie: 4.10.1-1; buster: 4.12.0-2; stretch: 4.12.0-2; bullseye: 4.12.0-2+b1; sid: 4.12.0-2+b1; experimental: 4.13.3-1
• 3578[23:51:46] <nvz> hmm
• 3579[23:51:51] <jelly> donofrio, skipping releases is not allowed on Debian. It's probably not allowed on raspbian either.
• 3580[23:52:03] <donofrio> do not want to skip anything
• 3581[23:52:05] <nvz> it would appear raspbian is much more different than debian that I'd thought
• 3582[23:52:09] <jelly> donofrio, and you have some packages matching debian 6 or 7 installed.
• 3583[23:52:10] <donofrio> will type what I need to get this done
• 3584[23:52:37] <jelly> donofrio, go to #raspbian, ask how to reinstall a fresh release.
• 3585[23:52:39] <nvz> donofrio: you'd have to start by typing /part #debian and /j #raspbian
• 3586[23:52:50] <jelly> good luck.
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• 3588[23:53:33] * jelly wonders if raspbian people have been putting "stable" in sources.list for longer than debian did
• 3589[23:53:53] <jelly> debian fixed that around what, squeeze?
• 3590[23:54:03] <jelly> lenny?
• 3591[23:54:21] <dashs> debian 10 fails to mount any /run/user/uid tmpfs except root. Is there a reason?
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• 3594[23:54:58] <jelly> dashs, works for me?
• 3595[23:55:00] <MrCircuitMatt> tarzeau: ping
• 3596[23:55:21] <jelly> tmpfs 2434564 24 2434540 1% /run/user/1000
• 3597[23:55:40] <warsoul> im logged in on my vps as root
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• 3599[23:55:50] <dashs> jelly: really. OK, this is a non-desktop system with NIS.
• 3600[23:55:55] <jelly> dashs, ls -ld /run/user
• 3601[23:55:56] <warsoul> you guys suggest to keep it like that o add a user?
• 3602[23:56:49] <jelly> warsoul, you want to have a normal user under almost all circumstances
• 3603[23:56:49] <dashs> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Sep 2 15:48 /run/user
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• 3605[23:57:08] <warsoul> jelly how do i add a normal user
• 3606[23:57:18] <warsoul> os is debian 9
• 3607[23:57:19] <jelly> warsoul, adduser command
• 3608[23:57:30] <warsoul> ok
• 3609[23:57:33] <jelly> adduser yourchosenusername
• 3610[23:57:58] <jelly> dashs, looks about the same here
• 3611[23:58:30] <jelly> dashs, do you have only NIS users, or can you try with a local user?
• 3612[23:58:36] <dashs> So loginctl has stopped creating tmpfs for each user login?
• 3613[23:59:02] * jelly knows nothing about logind or its ways
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• 3615[23:59:35] <phogg> is it like login(1) but for some reason also a daemon?
• 3616[23:59:43] <dashs> I'll make a local user...
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