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• 2[00:01:20] <x-fak> <teraflops> you install python stuff in virtualevns you dont want sudo python setup.py install or sudo pip install <-sorry?
• 3[00:02:56] <somiaj> x-fak: more a for future knowledge
• 4[00:03:13] <teraflops> x-fak: what's wrong with that?
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• 7[00:04:19] <x-fak> teraflops , i didnt get you mean?
• 8[00:04:40] <x-fak> virtualebns?
• 9[00:05:17] <somiaj> x-fak: python allows you to setup virtual enviorments, which is a full python enviroment located in some isolated directory tree. It is prefered you install non debian packages there.
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• 11[00:05:46] <somiaj> x-fak: replaced-url
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• 13[00:06:13] <somiaj> though those instructions aren't catered to debian
• 14[00:06:35] <somiaj> in debian install the python-virtualenv package
• 15[00:07:11] <x-fak> ok, great explain
• 16[00:07:23] <x-fak> teraflops , i was supposed to guess that? :)
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• 18[00:07:34] <teraflops> yes?
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• 21[00:07:47] <x-fak> you guys sometimes are really talking chineese
• 22[00:07:55] <teraflops> sorry :S
• 23[00:08:26] <x-fak> enough for me
• 24[00:08:38] <x-fak> somiaj , for your information
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• 26[00:08:59] <x-fak> i've discovered that fail2ban is not working inside an OpenVZ container (my VPS)
• 27[00:09:12] <x-fak> it's a kernel limitation
• 28[00:09:24] <x-fak> and i've lost a whole day to learn that shit
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• 30[00:10:04] <somiaj> x-fak: ahh yea, containers are a bit different than a full virtual enviroment. How about denyhost, it isn't a sophosicated, but might do the same thing with out using iptables
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• 32[00:10:22] <somiaj> (note becareful denyhost can lock you out fairly easy, always have an additional ip you can ssh from)
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• 34[00:11:10] <x-fak> somiaj , yeah...i'm just worry about fail2ban cant work
• 35[00:11:33] <x-fak> and find it curious because i can just change iptables rules, so ...
• 36[00:12:02] <somiaj> x-fak: I'm unsure on the details, but denyhost is available and may do a similar enough thing you'll at least feel safer and can move on
• 37[00:12:38] <x-fak> yes probably
• 38[00:12:54] <x-fak> it's a bit elegant i find
• 39[00:12:57] <x-fak> less*
• 40[00:13:39] <somiaj> corret, it just uses /etc/hosts.allow, /etc/hosts.deny, etc
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• 42[00:13:52] <somiaj> but in terms of ssh it will serv the same purpose
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• 57[00:21:45] <Smadelad> I'm sorry what was that about not wanting to use pip install or python setup.py? That's what I always use, is there a particular reason not to do so?
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• 65[00:25:27] <teraflops> Smadelad: if you so as root, yes, because they put stuff in /usr/lib and will conflict eventually with the stuff package manager puts there
• 66[00:25:34] <teraflops> s/so/do
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• 69[00:26:15] <Smadelad> Oh okay thanks
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• 78[00:31:21] <teraflops> Smadelad: if the stuff is for your user at least do pip install whatever --user and it will go to ~/.local just be sure you have ~/.local/bin in your path
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• 87[00:33:28] <Smadelad> Okay yeah, thanks again for the help!
• 88[00:33:39] <teraflops> np
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• 92[00:34:36] <KhazAkar> Hi all :)
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• 97[00:36:08] <Smadelad> Hello!
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• 104[00:40:41] <lauri> Hi guys, how can I use LTS kernel in Debian Jessie?
• 105[00:41:37] <somiaj> lauri: what do you mean by lts kernel? debian jessie's kernel (as with everything else) is frozen at the version in jessie, and in sense jessie is a LTS release, but we don't call it that, we just call it stable
• 106[00:42:19] <lauri> Linux 4.4.x is LTS kernel, what is the Debianish way to use it in jessie?
• 107[00:42:38] <teraflops> lauri: that's in upstream
• 108[00:42:50] <lauri> upstream? where?
• 109[00:42:55] <somiaj> ,kernels
• 110[00:42:59] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-trunk-686 (4.6-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); stretch: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.5.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
• 111[00:43:15] <lauri> 4.4.x is not here
• 112[00:43:20] <teraflops> lauri: there ↑
• 113[00:43:32] <somiaj> lauri: debian jessie uses the 3.16 kernel, it is supported by both the debian kernel team and ubuntu kernel team, so it is a long standing supported kernel, just not the one kernel.org has deemed LTS
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• 117[00:44:06] <mandd_2> oh damn
• 118[00:44:12] <mandd_2> i alwasy wondered who decides
• 119[00:44:26] <mandd_2> figured ubuntu came up with "lts"
• 120[00:44:28] <somiaj> mandd_2: in debian it is mostly the version that is avaialbe at the time of the freeze
• 121[00:44:49] <somiaj> mandd_2: lts gets used by various places, though I've seen esr (firefox as well)
• 122[00:44:54] <mandd_2> yeah, i come from ubuntu, lts now sounds retro
• 123[00:45:04] <lauri> 3.16 is ancient, we had 4.4 in backports at some point but now only 4.5 is installable. It would be nice to use 4.4.x LTS kernel as designated by kernel.org
• 124[00:45:04] <somiaj> mandd_2: for example, the next debian release, stretch will have the kernel in stretch when it freezes next feburary
• 125[00:45:17] <mandd_2> i see
• 126[00:45:36] <lauri> Ubuntu 16.04 also shipped with 4.4.x now
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• 128[00:45:43] <somiaj> lauri: backported kernels are not following an lts release, backported kernels keep changing as the kernels upgrade, and are provided for users who need newer hardware support, the offical kernel in jessie will always be 3.16
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• 130[00:46:20] <klow> Anyone know how to install the slapd package without it prompting for user input? I need it to install without prompting because I'm running it in docker
• 131[00:46:23] <mandd_2> i wonder why lauri is so specific
• 132[00:46:28] <somiaj> note the 3.16 kernel may work fine, and it does have drivers backported to it during various point releases. It is a "lts" kernel in the sense that it has contiuned support for the life of jessie.
• 133[00:46:35] <Jaga-Jaga> My swap is almost never used, so the 5GB is a waste. Can I make it smaller?
• 134[00:46:41] <lauri> As I said 3.16 is ancient, as 4.4.x is now receiving bug fixes and being supported by the kernel devs it would be nice to have that package in APT repos at least
• 135[00:46:44] <somiaj> klow: apt-get -y install
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• 137[00:46:47] <teraflops> lauri: replaced-url
• 138[00:47:04] <klow> somiaj : still prompts, not for yes/no but for the LDAP domain name
• 139[00:47:06] <teraflops> lauri: longterm
• 140[00:47:13] <somiaj> lauri: that is not how debian works. You would have to matain your own kernel if you wanted to use the 4.4 version with upgrades.
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• 142[00:47:36] <somiaj> klow: oh this is a debconf issue. There are ways to send the debconf info so it won't ask about it during the configuration but I'm not savy enough to know this
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• 144[00:47:43] <teraflops> that's upstream, this is debian!
• 145[00:47:51] <teraflops> sorry :P
• 146[00:48:03] <klow> ok thanks
• 147[00:48:09] <lauri> somiaj: Frankly I think it's rather nonsense that Debian devs are maintaining their own "LTS" kernel, kernel.org guys are already doing that - why not keep in sync?
• 148[00:48:15] <somiaj> lauri: the 4.4 kernel wasn't even around when jessie froze.
• 149[00:48:38] <lauri> somiaj: I get that it wasn't available *then*, I am asking why isn't it in backports repo
• 150[00:48:41] <somiaj> lauri: because debian will not change abi/api/versions during the release. When jessie was frozen 4.4 kernel was not around and the 3.16 was the version they chose to support.
• 151[00:49:01] <somiaj> lauri: the kernel matainers don't matain a long standing kernel in backports (as I tried to explain). They just provided the current kernel in stretch.
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• 154[00:49:17] <somiaj> lauri: you will have to matain your own kernel (which is totally doable) if you want to run the 4.4 in jessie
• 155[00:49:57] <somiaj> lauri: you can get the 4.4 kernel snapshot at snapshot.debian.org if you really want, but this is probabaly out dated and has security vunls
• 156[00:50:05] <lauri> somiaj: I've already cherry picked kernels from Ubuntu's PPA, I am just saying it would be nice to have lts kernels in backports repo
• 157[00:50:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I in a GUI have a contextual menu that gives the user access to Latin characters with diacritics?
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• 160[00:50:59] <teraflops> fontforge?
• 161[00:51:18] <somiaj> lauri: I would avoid that, you don't want to mix kdrnels compiled for ubuntu in debian. But in jessie use the 3.16 kernel, it is well supported.
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• 167[00:54:27] <Jaga-Jaga> My swap is almost never used, so the 5GB is a waste. Can I make it smaller?
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• 173[00:56:26] <somiaj> Jaga-Jaga: do you use hibernate (Suspend to disk)?
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• 175[00:56:40] <mutante> Jaga-Jaga: there is swapoff and swapon to turn it off and on. you could make a new one with any size and then switch over
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• 179[00:57:50] <Jaga-Jaga> somiaj: no, only sleep
• 180[00:58:05] <Jaga-Jaga> mutante: oh so there is a way. thx for the good news
• 181[00:58:41] <somiaj> Jaga-Jaga: yea make it any size you want. I personally don't use swap on my desktop (I have too much ram), so you don't even need it. You have to decide what is best for your hardware/ussage though.
• 182[00:58:44] <KILLME1> I f***ed up pretty bad...I was using dd to write an iso to a usb and acciddentaly overwrote my main partition with dm-luks encrypted debian. It's still on, I'm currently looking at my xfce desktop but I can't do sh**. How do I either save my OS or export all my important stuff to another storage device??
• 183[00:59:41] <mutante> KILLME1: got another machine running that you can ssh to?
• 184[01:00:08] <KILLME1> yeah tried ssh got this...ssh thedude@192.168.1.6
• 185[01:00:08] <KILLME1> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.6 port 22: No route to host
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• 187[01:00:32] <markybob> now you know to use cp and not dd for that. and to have backups
• 188[01:00:45] <markybob> yeah, i'm drunk
• 189[01:00:46] <mutante> KILLME1: eeh. maybe try to connect a flash drive to usb
• 190[01:01:04] <mutante> do not reboot :p
• 191[01:01:31] <KILLME1> cant pull up thunar or a terminal
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• 193[01:01:46] <mutante> well, what does still work
• 194[01:02:05] <KILLME1> whisker-menu and conky's still running
• 195[01:02:08] <markybob> only what was already running
• 196[01:02:09] <somiaj> most likely only stuff in memeory works, anything you have to read from the disk might fail
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• 199[01:02:54] <mutante> well, then that's probably the end of it there
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• 202[01:03:45] <KILLME1> Assuming my OS is completly boned is there any way to recover anything?
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• 204[01:04:02] <somiaj> KILLME1: there are ways to recover stuff, though being inside encryption might make it way harder.
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• 206[01:04:21] <somiaj> KILLME1: what you will want to do is remove that drive and ensure you never write to it (until you are done recovering)
• 207[01:04:58] <somiaj> KILLME1: then you will need another machine, you will want to make an image of the drive on the new machine, and then try to use recering tools for hte image. I'm unsure what sort of tools exist for encryption, but some might exist in the case you still have the key.
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• 212[01:06:18] <KILLME1> alright thanks for pointing me in the right direction somiaj
• 213[01:07:24] <somiaj> KILLME1: one pice of advise (that I only partly use cause I'm lazy is), any data that is not located on three different mediums is considered lost.
• 214[01:07:33] <somiaj> KILLME1: this won't help now, but for future times
• 215[01:08:15] <KILLME1> yeah lesson learned *facepalm
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• 218[01:09:14] <somiaj> and for those extra paranoid, an offsite backup is good to (think fire)
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• 220[01:10:25] <Spec> 'extra paranoid' :P
• 221[01:10:32] <teraflops> s/offsite/offshore :P
• 222[01:10:44] <AvatarA> offplanet
• 223[01:11:24] <KILLME1> off 3rd dimensional plane of existance kek
• 224[01:11:52] <mutante> the best backup is that golden disk on the pionner
• 225[01:12:01] <teraflops> xD
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• 227[01:12:23] <simonlnu> s/pionner/voyager/
• 228[01:13:19] <mutante> are you sure replaced-url
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• 234[01:17:09] <redfish> btw, the answer to my question about packaging tmpfiles.d files is to name the file as xxx.tmpfile and drop it in debian/, the packager will pick it up from there
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• 363[02:10:49] <^v> :/ ive had audio issues in debian jessie for awhile, any audio inputs are extremely choppy and noisy with a lot of pops
• 364[02:10:56] <^v> (in steam)
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• 376[02:19:15] <^v> any help?
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• 383[02:22:13] <bazhang> tried the steam channel
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• 385[02:22:28] <bazhang> /msg alis list steam to find it
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• 394[02:26:43] <^v> bazhang, not much help, closest is #ubuntu-steam which doesnt seem to be active
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• 403[02:31:58] <ryouma> is 2 mouses supposed to work in debian? my scroll wheel on one mouse intermittently stops working, even when i get a new mouse.
• 404[02:32:01] <thomasre_> Hey All!
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• 409[02:33:59] <thomasreggi> Sorry about that cafe wifi.
• 410[02:34:32] <thomasreggi> I'm looking for a system for writing a system-wide makefile.
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• 412[02:34:40] <thomasreggi> I wrote a bit here replaced-url
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• 414[02:34:46] <thomasreggi> Could really use some thoughts.
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• 466[03:08:19] <glisignoli> Hello, I have been giving a .deb package generated by someone (emc in this case) and I want create a repository for it, could anyone point me to some documentation or guides on how to do this?
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• 468[03:09:15] <darsie> glisignoli: You can just install it with dpkg -i package.deb
• 469[03:09:35] <darsie> If it's dependencies are met.
• 470[03:09:49] <glisignoli> darsie: Sure, but I want to create a local repository on my network for it, so that I can install it on multiple clients
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• 473[03:10:16] <glisignoli> Been looking at mini-dinstall but I'm not sure how to generate the repository if all I have is a .deb file
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• 591[04:15:14] <err403> I noticed a downloaded Debian file type is .torrent for the OS. Isn't that supposed to convert to .deb after the torrent is done downloading?
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• 594[04:16:21] <mutante> err403: no, individual packages are .deb files, not the entire disk
• 595[04:16:29] <jmcnaught> err403: torrent files list one or more files in a way that a bittorrent client can connect to a peer to peer swarm and download those files
• 596[04:16:52] <jmcnaught> err403: the torrents you are looking at are probably for downloading ISOs
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• 662[05:01:44] <aedinius> So I'm missing a lot of applications from the menu. I can't find thigns like chrome or firefox, or VLC, etc. Is it specific to certain WMs?
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• 677[05:08:22] <eipi10> yeah Mike, so this is what I was asking for: replaced-url
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• 679[05:09:02] <eipi10> I also found this interesting: replaced-url
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• 689[05:16:30] <Shmam> Hello!
• 690[05:17:10] <Shmam> Anyone here? I could really use some help.
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• 695[05:18:55] <Shmam> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libwebkit-3.0-0
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• 697[05:19:12] <Shmam> I tried apt-get -f install
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• 702[05:21:55] <jmcnaught> Shmam: can you show the full output on replaced-url
• 703[05:22:41] <jmcnaught> aedinius: do the .desktop files still exist in /usr/share/applications?
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• 705[05:23:51] <Shmam> I cant show full output as this is preventing me from opening a web browser on the machine
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• 710[05:25:07] <jmcnaught> !tell Shmam about pastebinit
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• 713[05:25:44] <Shmam> @aedinius I am new to all linux and I don't know. I can nav to that file on cmd and there are things in it
• 714[05:26:17] <Shmam> Can I use pastebin withoug an internet browser? like from the command line?
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• 718[05:27:37] <jmcnaught> Shmam: see the message that dpkg just sent you
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• 720[05:27:53] <Shmam> no
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• 722[05:28:05] <Shmam> wait yes
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• 725[05:29:05] <Shmam> installing pastebin
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• 727[05:29:45] <Shmam> Im installing it and it asks to remove epophany browser and some other things
• 728[05:29:59] <Shmam> is that what I should do?
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• 730[05:30:07] <npo> is it possible to get firefox-esr running on jessie?
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• 732[05:30:21] <aedinius> jmcnaught: yeah, they're all in .desktop
• 733[05:30:33] <Shmam> alright here we go
• 734[05:30:42] <aedinius> jmcnaught: but other wm menus aren't being updated (despite manually running update-menus)
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• 737[05:31:39] <Shmam> somehow emphany turned into dillo?
• 738[05:31:42] <Shmam> okey
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• 740[05:32:04] <jmcnaught> Shmam: do you have curl installed? You can use replaced-url
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• 742[05:32:39] <Shmam> I do not have curl
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• 744[05:33:02] <Shmam> what does curl do?
• 745[05:33:11] * aedinius gave up and went back to i3+dmenu
• 746[05:33:14] <jmcnaught> Shmam: or replaced-url
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• 748[05:33:36] <jmcnaught> aedinius: did you mention which WM was not showing menu items?
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• 752[05:33:56] <aedinius> jmcnaught: mwm, fvwm, openbox
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• 754[05:34:32] <aedinius> Apparantly I did not in this channel, sorry
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• 756[05:34:43] <sceadwian> Can anyone help with vnc4server setup? I'm using lxde and the servers running the ports open and no firewall and it still won't connect.
• 757[05:35:01] <aedinius> sceadwian: what error does it give?
• 758[05:35:05] <Shmam> So basically I am trying to install zoneminder onto this raspberry pi and for some reason mysql wont install. Using this tutorial: replaced-url
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• 763[05:35:48] <sceadwian> The log only lists connection accepted, then closed errpr rading version failed not an RFB
• 764[05:35:53] <Shmam> so I am at the mysql install spot and something is wrong
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• 766[05:36:34] <Shmam> apt-get install mysql-server has no installation candidate
• 767[05:36:36] <sceadwian> I've sound some Google searches that suggests vnc4server may be broken with some x desktops?
• 768[05:36:37] <jmcnaught> Shmam: are you using Raspbian?
• 769[05:36:40] <Shmam> yep
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• 771[05:36:53] <jmcnaught> !tell Shmam about raspbian
• 772[05:37:11] <Shmam> oops
• 773[05:37:18] <Shmam> alright ill be there then
• 774[05:37:25] <Shmam> thanks for your help guys
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• 776[05:37:36] <sceadwian> aedinius: Any suggestions?
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• 778[05:39:14] <aedinius> sceadwian: yeah, that sounds like an application/protocol error, so the firewall/etc are fine
• 779[05:39:29] <aedinius> what client are you using?
• 780[05:40:13] <sceadwian> I tried VNC viwer and thinstuff for android and tried vncviewer on the machine running the server itself
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• 782[05:42:12] <aedinius> I don't really use VNC, sorry. Why do you need VNC? Could ssh and xfowarding work?
• 783[05:42:43] <sceadwian> This was for remote access from a tablet.
• 784[05:42:55] <aedinius> No SSH client?
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• 786[05:43:08] <aedinius> Oh, right, X11.
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• 788[05:44:02] <sceadwian> I can SSH in if need be, but I want the Xserver eventually
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• 796[05:49:19] <namastetooterino> hey, I have prosody installed and I cannot get the prosody user to read my letsencrypt certificates, more specifically user prosody (who is part of the eponymous group) cannot read a directory with chown -R root:prosody and chmod 0740.... I just keep getting access denied when I'm sudo -u prosody -s, what am I doing wrong?
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• 798[05:50:17] <jmcnaught> namastetooterino: does the prosody user have permission to enter the parent directories?
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• 800[05:52:46] <namastetooterino> jmcnaught: /etc/letsencrypt is drwxr-xr-x and root:root, the two folders in there that I need to read are 0740 and root:prosody
• 801[05:53:15] <namastetooterino> and yes I can cd into letsencrypt as prosody
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• 809[06:00:28] <jmcnaught> namastetooterino: the thing that has 0740 and is owned by root:prosody, is that a file or a directory?
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• 812[06:02:03] <namastetooterino> jmcnaught: ah I worked it out, i didn't have the x flag so I couldnt execute anything inside the directory
• 813[06:02:09] <namastetooterino> setting it as 0750 worekd
• 814[06:02:10] <namastetooterino> worked
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• 816[06:04:33] <jmcnaught> namastetooterino: yes, +x for directories means "can enter"
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• 822[06:05:47] <namastetooterino> out of curiosity could I set it as 0710 and for lack of a better word, pass through the directory to a file that I have permission to read?
• 823[06:07:30] <jmcnaught> try it and see
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• 846[06:25:11] <sceadwian> Anyone familiar with vnc4server? I'm having issues setting it up on Debian lxde
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• 864[06:38:36] <n_blownapart> hi I'm using 'sudo apt-get install openjdk-8-jdk
• 865[06:38:48] <n_blownapart> ' to install java ..
• 866[06:39:35] <n_blownapart> when I install and do java -v I get java 1.7.0_101
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• 869[06:40:38] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: replaced-url
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• 871[06:42:03] <n_blownapart> thanks very much jmcnaught I read some stuff but didn't see that . thanks for your patience.
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• 914[07:15:19] <lordarkmemo> i need help, when i installed debian 8 on my lenovo e450, it installed the default driver for the graphics. Today i try to install the ati driver and after reboot i cant see the user interface.
• 915[07:16:37] <lordarkmemo> i have a dual graphics Intel corporation Broadwell-U and AMD/ATI topaz XT
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• 917[07:17:26] <lordarkmemo> debian automatically detect the Intel driver and works fine. But today i try to install the ATI driver and failed
• 918[07:17:28] <lordarkmemo> please help
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• 938[07:40:23] <namastetooterino> hey, i'm trying to run prosody as a server on my vps, now I've got the daemon running and nc confirms that it's listening on all interfaces ont he correct ports, only thing is that I just cannot connect, i have ufw but i disabled to test and it still times out, i've also been trying to connect via telnet client to port 5269 but it also times out, a
• 939[07:40:23] <namastetooterino> ny ideas? nmap says it's filtered (but so is ssh and that's working fine)
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• 963[07:54:02] <n_blownapart> hello again I ran this command trying to install a development tool for scala code. When doing an update I got a ton of duplicates i386 files in my sources.list.d . How does one prevent this?
• 964[07:54:17] <n_blownapart> replaced-url
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• 995[08:12:17] <shoota> ^GoD^: bgdf
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• 1002[08:15:10] <t0by> Hi, I'm sorry to bother, but can anybody log in to Google with epiphany-browser on jessie?
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• 1007[08:17:05] <solrize> anyone hearing of a problem with ftp server on ipv6?
• 1008[08:17:34] <solrize> hmm working better now
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• 1014[08:19:50] <solrize> hi luffy_
• 1015[08:20:19] <luffy_> wie gehts dir
• 1016[08:20:27] <solrize> ok
• 1017[08:20:45] <solrize> it's late here i have to go to bed soon
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• 1019[08:21:04] <namra> when installing and starting virtualbox there's no virtual network adapter created is that correct?
• 1020[08:21:27] <solrize> the python-pip package installs python 2.6 even though the base version for jessie is 2.7
• 1021[08:21:28] <solrize> hmm
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• 1043[08:38:20] <SuperPhly> I've updated my limits.conf and it doesn't seem to be "taking", do I need to issue a command to have debian read the new values?
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• 1076[08:55:33] <Drzacek> Hello
• 1077[08:56:38] <Drzacek> I recently installed debian with KDE (earlier only text mode). Is that Iceweasel some kind of debian-flavour of firefox or handicapped/lite version of mozilla browser?
• 1078[08:57:42] <madrik> It is Firefox except name and branding.
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• 1098[09:06:50] <BlenderPro> why are live images only 9.4
• 1099[09:07:01] <BlenderPro> 8.4, while dvd images are 8.5
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• 1102[09:07:07] <BlenderPro> standard images*
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• 1128[09:19:04] <Drzacek> So there is no limitation in iceweasel? I can install all my ad-blocking stuff, or do all I could do with firefox? Just want confirmation, if I should leave it or try to get some other browser
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• 1136[09:21:55] <inch> The end of the Iceweasel Age: replaced-url
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• 1155[09:28:17] <Drzacek> inch, End? But I just found out about it
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• 1157[09:28:52] <BlenderPro> which one is lightest gnome or xfce for debian 8.4
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• 1162[09:30:51] <Drzacek> gnome is heavy
• 1163[09:31:21] <inch> Iceweasel will be iceweasel in wheezy, jessie and older, but after that, then name and logo will change back to firefox. I guess everything else stays the same.
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• 1171[09:36:50] <Drzacek> okay, thanks for clarifying
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• 1225[10:15:10] <Zavan> Hello! I don't know if anyone will remember the message I left you guys yesterday, but I was -- and still am -- having some trouble with my multimedia keys. What I have done so far: purge'd xfce4-volumed and installed volumeicon-alsa from Debian stable. Now running volumeicon in terminal gives me this error: "volumeicon: alsa_backend.c:86: asound_get_volume: Assertion `m_elem != ((void *)0)' failed."
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• 1228[10:15:49] <Zavan> Does anyone have /any/ suggestions as to what I should try out? I'm really at a loss now. I am running Bunsenlabs, which is basically Debian with openbox already configured.
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• 1237[10:19:34] <Zavan> oh.
• 1238[10:19:35] <Zavan> OH.
• 1239[10:19:37] <Zavan> I'VE FIXED IT.
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• 1243[10:21:10] <Drzacek> Zavan, great!
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• 1245[10:21:25] <Zavan> EUREKA.
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• 1253[10:23:22] <Drzacek> But, wait!...you forgot your clothes...
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• 1263[10:29:21] <Zavan> Here was the solution: replaced-url
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• 1279[10:41:32] <tulphoon> Is the slack package the same stuff that replaced-url
• 1280[10:41:59] <tulphoon> in the debian repos
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• 1296[10:50:10] <seoner> firefox vs chrome?
• 1297[10:50:58] <BinBash1> I would say chromium instead of chrome
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• 1310[10:54:00] <Zavan> Oh, damn. I jumped the gun. I was so excited the volumeicon appeared and my multimedia keys worked that I didn't check to see if sound was still working (it isn't).
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• 1337[11:03:11] <fennesz> Hello ! Would like to create a varible for a specific path so I don't have to type it everytime. I am using Debian 8 64 bit with bash . Can someone help me with this ?
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• 1352[11:06:36] <ToMTomtoSCH> fennesz: VARNAME=/path/ then you can use it like ls $VARNAME a good place to put it is for example .bashrc in your users home.
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• 1360[11:09:18] <systempk> Hi all, I'm currently learning the basics of package building. I want to set up a simple repository on my LAN (handbook section 15.3). I keep reading about the .changes file. What is a .changes file? I welcome pointers to documentations.
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• 1371[11:11:58] <fennesz> ToMTomtoSCH, thank you I will try it out !
• 1372[11:12:28] <fennesz> ToMTomtoSCH, Is there a chance , there will be a conflict with variables created from other programs?
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• 1374[11:13:05] <fennesz> also is there any character restriction ? I would like to use underscores (_) for examples
• 1375[11:13:08] <fennesz> example*
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• 1402[11:31:39] <N3X15> Any special voodoo I need to do to get libboost-thread1.55.0 i386 to install on Jessie? For some reason, I managed to get it to install on one machine, and the other refuses to acknowledge the package exists.
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• 1406[11:32:10] <N3X15> Worst part is that I can't remember how to get it to install on that first machine.
• 1407[11:32:31] <ToMTomtoSCH> fennesz: you can use an underscore. and yeah, there are some preexisting vars, but it should be fine. just give it a name that is descriptive.
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• 1411[11:33:33] <ToMTomtoSCH> !tell N3X15 about bat
• 1412[11:33:45] <ToMTomtoSCH> N3X15: is this an amd64 system?
• 1413[11:34:02] <fennesz> ToMTomtoSCH, thank you !
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• 1426[11:37:19] <N3X15> ToMTomtoSCH, Yes. replaced-url
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• 1430[11:38:33] <ToMTomtoSCH> ,v libboost-thread1.55.0
• 1431[11:38:34] <judd> Package: libboost-thread1.55.0 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.55.0+dfsg-3
• 1432[11:38:45] <ToMTomtoSCH> N3X15: ^ it's not in testing.
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• 1434[11:38:57] <ToMTomtoSCH> !tell N3X15 about frankendebian
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• 1436[11:39:26] <ToMTomtoSCH> N3X15: mixing debian releases is generally not a good idea.
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• 1438[11:41:51] <ToMTomtoSCH> looks like it has been removed from unstable/testing because it doesn not build with gcc5.
• 1439[11:42:10] <N3X15> Old build, then
• 1440[11:42:16] <N3X15> because I didn't add it
• 1441[11:42:24] <N3X15> Manually, I mean.
• 1442[11:42:46] <N3X15> Thanks anyway, going to bed.
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• 1471[11:54:31] <Drzacek> I guess I don't get OneDrive on debian, do I?
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• 1475[11:55:22] <bazhang> Drzacek, is that a ms or a google product
• 1476[11:55:54] <Drzacek> bazhang, MS. I found some onedrive-d opensource solution, gonna try that
• 1477[11:56:01] <ToMTomtoSCH> not an official package, but there are solutions for linux out there. not sure how well they work, though.
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• 1500[12:09:34] <yossarianuk> hey #debian - I have a cups/samba server using Jessie - every time I start the server I see this in the cups error log
• 1501[12:09:36] <yossarianuk> 'Unable to communicate with avahi-daemon: An unexpected D-Bus error occured'
• 1502[12:09:54] <yossarianuk> any ideas what error this is or how to find out ?
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• 1509[12:12:43] <Smither> Heya, I'm having a problem configuring my ssh client hosts. I have two ssh server I can connect to, one of the i recently switched from password to keypair. The other has always been key pair. In ~/.ssh/config the hosts blocks look the same (Bar the hostname and user OC) but the one i have recently switched fails saying it requires pubkey authentication, I even tried deleting the server from known_hosts to see if that
• 1510[12:12:43] <Smither> would help but no luck. Any ideas why my client is insisting on using password?? the server is set up to use keys
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• 1516[12:15:05] <x-fak> hi
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• 1525[12:18:27] <willemb> Why doesn't needrestart pick up any of my custom services?
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• 1533[12:24:41] <willemb> also, checkrestart is listing MANY service needrestart seems to be oblivious about...
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• 1536[12:25:55] <moldy> hi
• 1537[12:26:21] <moldy> does iceweasel in debian jessie (38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1) have css source map support? i cannot find it
• 1538[12:27:17] <madrik> willemb: Hmm. Might be similar to the situation in Fedora (tracer and needs-restarting). Both tools together give full coverage, maybe?
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• 1544[12:28:43] <moldy> hmm, with the firefox download from mozilla, it works
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• 1550[12:30:59] <DevAntoine> hi
• 1551[12:31:12] <ToMTomtoSCH> moldy: afaik it works in iceweasel. that's in the web console (F12) -> Toolbox options -> Style Editor -> Show original sources
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• 1554[12:31:56] <DevAntoine> my server is running Wheezy, I guess it'll be good to upgrade it to Jessie? If so, what should I do? Backup /home, /etc and my dbs?
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• 1558[12:33:06] <DevAntoine> then after having done an upgrade and dist-upgrade, I edit sources.list and do upgrade and dist-upgrade again?
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• 1560[12:33:44] <ToMTomtoSCH> DevAntoine: doing a full backup is the first thing. then you should read the release notes > replaced-url
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• 1563[12:34:21] <ToMTomtoSCH> DevAntoine: they have all the information you need for the upgrade and information about any trouble you might encounter.
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• 1566[12:35:20] <DevAntoine> ok, thanks
• 1567[12:36:01] <moldy> ToMTomtoSCH: i don't find "Toolbox Options"
• 1568[12:36:37] <ToMTomtoSCH> moldy: it's the gear wheel on the top right corner.
• 1569[12:36:40] <moldy> ToMTomtoSCH: ah, maybe because i have firebug installed
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• 1572[12:37:48] <ToMTomtoSCH> CTRL + SHIFT + K is another shortcut to access the web console
• 1573[12:37:51] <moldy> ToMTomtoSCH: yep, with firebug deactivated, it works
• 1574[12:38:12] <moldy> ToMTomtoSCH: thanks
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• 1578[12:39:33] <moldy> maybe i should just stop using firebug?
• 1579[12:39:36] <moldy> it's mostly an old habit
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• 1583[12:40:33] <ToMTomtoSCH> i never got along with firebug. my dev tool of choice is the one in chromium. that's just my taste, though.
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• 1585[12:41:52] <moldy> i have been using firebug since it was very new :)
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• 1587[12:42:10] <moldy> i think it was the first tool that offered the features that are nowadays included with the browsers :)
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• 1614[12:52:07] <woshty> Is there some graphical frontend to do ctrl+alt+fX switching between ttys?
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• 1617[12:54:00] <mavhq> what do you mean woshty ?
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• 1619[12:54:05] <inch> xmessage -buttons tty1:1,tty2:2 tty switch ; chvt $?
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• 1626[12:58:33] <gox39> hi people, I wanted to know if it is possible to extract a rar file faster when using multiple cpu cores? if so how?
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• 1628[12:59:40] <FinalX> it's more limited by the filesystem/disk you're writing to, I guess
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• 1630[12:59:52] <FinalX> in other words: unrar'ing is strictly i/o bound
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• 1646[13:05:46] <woshty> mavhq: Something like a selector on the lock screen listing running sessions, and to be able to switch between them that way. Does something like this exist?
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• 1650[13:07:48] <mavhq> probably not, could do something similar with multiple X desktops I suppose
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• 1656[13:09:27] <x4u3n> Hi, i have installed lvm2 but not appear service into init.d? i need to restart computer?
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• 1661[13:12:26] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1664[13:13:25] <darxmurf> I have to implement automatic backup of windows workstations, any advises for the tool I should use ? between backuppc, amanda, bacula or other ? My file server is under debian stable
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• 1666[13:13:41] <babilen> x4u3n: You should have /lib/systemd/system/lvm2.service on jessie
• 1667[13:13:55] <yossarianuk> I would avoid bacula and use bareos instead
• 1668[13:13:57] <mavhq> darxmurf: what version of windows? pro, home etc?
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• 1670[13:14:09] <darxmurf> windows 7 Enterprise
• 1671[13:14:17] <yossarianuk> bareos = a fork from bacuala - if you are using windows (newer than XP) its most supported
• 1672[13:14:22] <yossarianuk> they even have a win10 client
• 1673[13:14:27] <mavhq> could just use built in windows backup to a network share
• 1674[13:14:32] <el_bamba> I use rdiff-backup
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• 1677[13:14:58] <darxmurf> well, I don't like the windows tool as it's pushing it's backups, then can mess up his own files with a virus or other
• 1678[13:15:11] <el_bamba> only linux boxes in mi case but it work in windows too, i think
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• 1681[13:15:51] <darxmurf> I have some samba shares that I backup with rsnapshot too
• 1682[13:15:56] <x4u3n> babilen: tu
• 1683[13:16:01] <darxmurf> but it's not the best solution at the moment
• 1684[13:16:01] <jubo2> Hiya and thanks for the great commiemist OS
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• 1686[13:16:11] <darxmurf> I will have a look on bareos
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• 1688[13:16:44] <mavhq> meh, no msi for windows clients
• 1689[13:17:02] <jubo2> I have set up msmtp so that 'echo "Test Email" | mailx -v -A services -s "test" consumium@gmail.com' actually successfully sends the outgoing mail :D :D
• 1690[13:17:21] <jubo2> but alpine does not send messages and the free social medias don't send messages
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• 1695[13:18:13] <jubo2> I just need to conf something somewhere and all the email verification, email notification and password reset mails start getting delivered to the Internets
• 1696[13:18:25] <jubo2> someone who knows about this stuff please help
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• 1699[13:18:39] <jubo2> Settings are in ~/.mailrc
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• 1702[13:18:53] <jubo2> maybe should put those into a system-wide .rc ?
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• 1717[13:25:32] <Devastator> any preferable way to change grub's default menuentry? My /etc/default/grub shows GRUB_DEFAULT=0, but I couldn't identify which entry is 0, 1 or whatever
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• 1720[13:25:51] <Devastator> I mean, in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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• 1758[13:46:48] <dionysus69> hello everyone. I have gnome on debian jessie and this one thing is frustrating. on every login or power on the gnome shell addons aren't loading so I am forced to do alt+f2 > r which restarts gnome shell (sometimes I need to do it 2-3 times in order for extensions to load properly) any ideas or suggestions how can I fix this?
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• 1764[13:48:48] <teraflops> dionysus69: are the extensions supported by your gnome version? how do you enable/load the extensions? what do the logs say?
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• 1773[13:50:28] <dionysus69> i have tweak tool. versions are ok. I restart whole gnome shell in order to activate. for example this bug is most obviously noticed in workspace grid case, this is 2x2 grid instead of 1xn
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• 1776[13:50:54] <dionysus69> gnome version 3.14.4
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• 1780[13:51:56] <dionysus69> btw if you tell me how I can upgrade to latest gnome (which is not in repos, not even in backports, I would appreciate, I feel like that would solve my problems
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• 1785[13:54:47] <teraflops> dionysus69: versions are ok as in, you can load them via firefox + replaced-url
• 1786[13:55:35] <dionysus69> yes I have loaded most of them via firefox but I dont actually remember about that workspace grid addon let me delete and try
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• 1792[13:57:56] <teraflops> dionysus69: if you can load them via firefox + replaced-url
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• 1796[13:58:42] <dionysus69> dunno the vertical worspaces are very unproductive in my opinion. there should be a less problematic solution, shame on gnome
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• 1805[14:00:31] <BadCodSmell> apt.... > Unable to fetch some archives
• 1806[14:00:41] <BadCodSmell> How can I make it auto retry at least once?
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• 1813[14:02:03] <willemb> why doesn't needrestart recognize my custom init scripts?
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• 1817[14:02:56] <petn-randall> willemb: init scripts seldomly need restarting. It's the daemons that do. Does your daemon depend on old libraries?
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• 1819[14:03:31] <petn-randall> BadCodSmell: 'apt-get update || apt-get update'
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• 1821[14:03:50] <petn-randall> BadCodSmell: Can you show us the full command + output, though? replaced-url
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• 1824[14:04:52] <pencilandpaper> I'm thinking about checking out gnome.
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• 1826[14:05:28] <pencilandpaper> Just to see whats up with it. Its heavy, and one that I usually don't use, I usually use Xfce..but I may check it out and give it a honest try.
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• 1828[14:05:54] <pencilandpaper> Nah, when it comes down to it..there are things that I don't like about it. I won't. lol
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• 1830[14:06:03] <pencilandpaper> I don't want to install it and have to clean up afterwards.
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• 1832[14:06:32] <petn-randall> Hi pencilandpaper, o you have a Debian support question?
• 1833[14:06:35] <petn-randall> *do
• 1834[14:06:56] <BadCodSmell> petn-randall I'm aware of that but it's LAF
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• 1837[14:07:31] <BadCodSmell> I would rather apt just retries the http request a set number of times which is surprising not to have
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• 1839[14:07:33] <petn-randall> BadCodSmell: How so? It solves your symptom.
• 1840[14:07:34] <pencilandpaper> Brb.
• 1841[14:07:41] <BadCodSmell> apt is a highly network dependent process
• 1842[14:07:42] <andril> hello
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• 1847[14:08:05] <BadCodSmell> it should have some options for handling failure
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• 1850[14:08:25] <BadCodSmell> and it fails nearly every time fetching a few hundred packages
• 1851[14:08:49] <andril> has anyone noticed freezing when using chrome in 8.5, my system wont wake up at times
• 1852[14:09:00] <BadCodSmell> I don't really want to uber spam the console with apt | apt | apt or some loop around the entire process
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• 1855[14:09:24] <petn-randall> BadCodSmell: The TCP stack already gracefully recovers from packet loss. But if it's so high that the TCP handshake or DNS lookup fails, you probably have a too high packet loss to ignore.
• 1856[14:09:41] <BadCodSmell> packet loss is a bit of an assumption
• 1857[14:09:51] <BadCodSmell> It could be anything, including the server pooping
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• 1860[14:10:42] <willemb> petn-randall: I have a unicorn process started by a custom init script. I would have imagined needrestart would restart it after a libc upgrade?
• 1861[14:11:04] <willemb> checkrestart thinks it should be restarted
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• 1864[14:12:07] <willemb> the same with additional ssh daemons I run. why would they not need to all be restarted?
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• 1867[14:15:16] <petn-randall> willemb: Currently used ssh sessions won't be restarted, the other's should be, though.
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• 1869[14:18:13] <petn-randall> willemb: I'm guessing that the init script isn't properly recognized somehow. Is it automatically started by systemd or sysv init?
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• 1872[14:19:14] <darxmurf> god as usual documentations for windows clients are crap :-/
• 1873[14:19:22] <darxmurf> the BareOS windows client config is useless...
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• 1877[14:20:18] <willemb> petn-randall: yes, sysv init starts these
• 1878[14:20:33] <willemb> at least, I think it does. these boxes are almost NEVER rebooted
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• 1926[14:52:23] <meldron> hi guys, can somebody tell me what is the right way to restart networking in debian 8, if I try to restart it with service networking restart via ssh i get disconnected and it fails to come up again, in previous versions that was not a problem
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• 1930[14:54:22] <petn-randall> meldron: Do you have your interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
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• 1939[14:55:42] <petn-randall> meldron: I'm guessing if you're running it in screen it should be ok. Unless of course the IP or routing of the interface changes that you're bring down and up again.
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• 1944[14:57:56] <meldron> tinyhippo: after a reboot the devices are come up with the settings from /etc/network/interfaces
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• 1947[14:58:04] <meldron> replaced-url
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• 1955[15:00:45] <billyflop> Hi guys, I'm running Debian Jessie on Linux. Any suggestions for good software to write mathematical papers?
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• 1958[15:01:31] <gulzar> billyflop: latex
• 1959[15:01:56] <jair> hello there I have installed a .deb package for an application called ericom blaze, at least they provide a client for the sotfware the issue I am having is that I need to create a x-schema-handler file so that when I go to the website of my company it can launch the application
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• 1961[15:02:22] <petn-randall> billyflop: I usually hear latex is suited for it, but I dislike it with some passion. I think libreoffice has some plugins to do mathematical formulas quite nice.
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• 1963[15:02:29] <jair> perhaps I should join a deb packaging channel?
• 1964[15:02:30] <billyflop> isn't that just a ML?
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• 1969[15:03:35] <gulzar> billyflop: yes but that is the only thing I know which can handle formulas
• 1970[15:03:37] <billyflop> libreoffice plugins?
• 1971[15:04:11] <gulzar> billyflop: there is eclipse plugin , vim plugin to handle latex and few other tools specially desgined for latex.
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• 1974[15:04:30] <gulzar> billyflop: rest to arrange formulas in a doc, I don't any other better technique
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• 1977[15:05:24] <jair> this is what the instal.sh for the package say: replaced-url
• 1978[15:06:52] <petn-randall> jair: Is the software you making packages for FOSS? Or do you want to get it into Debian repos somehow?
• 1979[15:07:01] <billyflop> any idea of the plugin's names?
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• 1981[15:07:29] <petn-randall> billyflop: Let me check my old files.
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• 1983[15:08:12] <gulzar> billyflop: replaced-url
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• 1986[15:08:55] <gulzar> billyflop: one of them is what you need. Just type and it will convert it into latex
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• 1990[15:09:43] <gulzar> billyflop: replaced-url
• 1991[15:09:51] <jair> hello petn-randall , no no it is a package from the company I work for and I noticed they have one for debian
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• 1994[15:10:11] <jair> petn-randall: so I was able to install the .deb successfully
• 1995[15:10:16] <petn-randall> billyflop: It works out of the box in libreoffice nowadays. Insert → Object → Formula. You then have a markup for that.
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• 1997[15:10:51] <jair> petn-randall: but when I go to the url that suppose to call out that application to open, it is not working
• 1998[15:11:05] <petn-randall> jair: You could ask in #debian-mentors, but make it clear that it's for an internal project, not for Debian.
• 1999[15:11:08] <gulzar> latex is beautiful
• 2000[15:11:11] <jair> petn-randall: however if I run the application from the terminal bash it opens fine
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• 2003[15:11:33] <jair> petn-randall: sure thing
• 2004[15:11:37] <jair> thank you
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• 2077[15:39:54] <errone> Hi
• 2078[15:40:29] <x-fak> should we use apt or aptitude?
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• 2081[15:41:15] <errone> x-fak, I use both depending on what I want.
• 2082[15:42:05] <errone> :apt provides a high-level commandline interface for the package
• 2083[15:42:05] <errone> management system. It is intended as an end user interface and enables
• 2084[15:42:05] <errone> some options better suited for interactive usage by default compared to
• 2085[15:42:05] <errone> more specialized APT tools like apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8).
• 2086[15:42:05] <errone> :
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• 2092[15:43:40] <x-fak> aptitude?
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• 2094[15:44:03] <uniTosch> man aptitude
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• 2097[15:48:00] <x-fak> he was talking about apt or aptitude?
• 2098[15:48:32] <x-fak> uniTosch No manual entry for aptitude, it's not installed
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• 2107[15:51:33] <baraba> so after last dist-upgrade apt suggests me to autoremove a ton of packages
• 2108[15:51:53] <baraba> including some of the applications I need
• 2109[15:52:09] <baraba> anyone have this problem with current debian testing
• 2110[15:52:12] <baraba> ?
• 2111[15:52:23] <deepa> are any of the packages it mentions meta-packages?
• 2112[15:52:37] <baraba> uh huh, a lot of packages
• 2113[15:52:50] <baraba> also my kde panels are broken and desktop also
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• 2115[15:53:10] <baraba> how do i check if there are meta pacages
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• 2119[15:55:14] <baraba> i guess libreoffice is a meta package?
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• 2121[15:55:25] <BinBasher> I used to have bumblebee (nvidia) working properly. Now something has updated (suspecting intel) and I didn't fix anything by reinstalling bumblebee. Could anyone help me to fix my optimus?
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• 2185[16:18:21] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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• 2189[16:19:05] <Walex> BinBasher: "bumblebee (nvidia) working properly" cannot be true :-)
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• 2195[16:21:09] <BlenderPro> Does anyone knows if Debian live cd xfce fits on a cd? it's 1GB that's why I ask
• 2196[16:21:22] <yossarianuk> if its 1Gb it will not
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• 2207[16:23:14] <dury> yossarianuk, what's the url for pastebin for this channel?
• 2208[16:23:46] <ksk> dury: topic?
• 2209[16:23:51] <ksk> !tell dury about paste
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• 2212[16:25:44] <yossarianuk> replaced-url
• 2213[16:25:48] <dury> ksk, got it.... thanks. :-)
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• 2220[16:28:18] <BlenderPro> is pasteall.org good?
• 2221[16:28:34] <ksk> BlenderPro: topic..
• 2222[16:28:35] <ksk> cmon
• 2223[16:28:52] <BlenderPro> haha sorry!
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• 2263[16:39:10] <jhutchins> !live
• 2264[16:39:10] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
• 2265[16:39:38] <jhutchins> BlenderPro: There are live CD isos available; there are also live DVDs with more packages available.
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• 2269[16:40:25] <jhutchins> BlenderPro: These days people tend to use USB sticks, so image size has started to bulge.
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• 2293[16:50:00] <jhutchins> Is there a way to migrate a 32b system to 64b?
• 2294[16:50:24] <GeneralStupid> jhutchins: i did that, it ended up in an unstable system.
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• 2311[16:58:57] <abrotman> jhutchins: "yes"-ish, it's ugly, not recommended
• 2312[16:59:10] <abrotman> oh, he has me on ignore .. so, we'll just go with WHAT?!?!!
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• 2324[17:05:07] <baraba> so i solved my problem by installing task-kde-desktop, if anyone's wondering
• 2325[17:05:16] <baraba> somehow the upgrade deleted that package
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• 2328[17:06:45] <VeggieMeat> does the skype linux client work in jessie without breaking things, or should i just go with setting up my tablet? (i recall running into pulseaudio issues in wheezy, which is it's recommended version...)
• 2329[17:07:52] <gnat_x> VeggieMeat: haven't tried skype in jessie, however pulse in general is much improved.
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• 2334[17:09:08] <madrik> VeggieMeat: No issues with Pulse and Skype on Jessie.
• 2335[17:09:15] <madrik> For me, at least.
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• 2343[17:10:45] <VeggieMeat> madrik: did you use the .deb package from skype.com?
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• 2349[17:12:58] <madrik> VeggieMeat: Yes.
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• 2351[17:15:05] <VeggieMeat> madrik: thanks, i'll give it a shot - i have a client insisting on skype calls, and i haven't used skype in ~5 years (my account was compromised, and the recovery process was an endless loop)
• 2352[17:15:39] <madrik> VeggieMeat: Go ahead. There's the Web version in any case.
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• 2386[17:31:15] <tharkun> What is my best option under Debian to set a VPN ?
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• 2388[17:31:37] <xai> tharkun: Which one? PPTP, L2TP, other?
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• 2391[17:32:14] <tharkun> xai: I need it to be Mac friendly and Secure so I am open to whatever it behaves well on Debian
• 2392[17:32:37] <xai> tharkun: What you think about L2TP over IPSec?
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• 2394[17:32:57] <xai> It's quite difficult solution, but mac/win/linux/bsd-friendly
• 2395[17:33:24] <sypher> Please do not use PPTP. It is known-broken.
• 2396[17:33:34] * xai is agree with sypher
• 2397[17:33:49] <xai> tharkun: For l2tp I use openl2tp, for ipsec — racoon
• 2398[17:34:23] <sypher> tharkun: Consider OpenVPN. It's not integrated, but it's a lot easier to configure than any secure alternatives, and there are free clients available for all OSes.
• 2399[17:34:23] <tharkun> No idea, I was reading that Mac have that and also IKEv2 support so really I don't know which ones are most friendlier towards setting up users on the client side-
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• 2402[17:34:47] <tharkun> PPTP has been scratched from the option list.
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• 2405[17:35:26] <tharkun> sypher: I have one allready set up but then there is no client from my BlackBerry and I also need to hoook into this VPN
• 2406[17:36:01] <sypher> tharkun: Problem #1 is the word "Blackberry."
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• 2411[17:37:17] <tharkun> sypher: Gets my work done. And I keep comunicated when my iPhone and my several Android devices fail. Then that is offtopic on this channel
• 2412[17:37:38] <xai> tharkun: If you don't want to install custom clients, then use l2tp
• 2413[17:37:44] <xai> If you need security, then add ipsec
• 2414[17:38:11] <xai> If you can install custom clients and you don't need high bandwidth, then use OpenVPN.
• 2415[17:38:12] <tharkun> xai: Ok, researching now Thanks a lot on the advice :)
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• 2417[17:38:53] <xai> tharkun: And prepare to waste a great lot of time ;)
• 2418[17:38:59] <sypher> xai: OpenVPN is very performant over UDP, actually.
• 2419[17:39:06] <sypher> Which is its default configuration.
• 2420[17:39:23] <tharkun> xai: By no means, I'm quite a fast learner. what about strongswan?
• 2421[17:39:34] <xai> sypher: It's userspace. In my usecase I need to pass few gigabits of traffic via one server bought in 2006
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• 2423[17:39:53] <xai> So it's unable to be done without kernel space vpn or userspace ethernet driver
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• 2427[17:40:30] <xai> tharkun: I tried strongswan and openswan. It works, but in result I refused them. Don't remember the reason, sorry
• 2428[17:40:47] <sypher> xai: It is possible. I've done it. Required a pretty fat server to do, but it definitely does it.
• 2429[17:41:02] <xai> sypher: Server is not fat (in my terms)
• 2430[17:41:10] <xai> And there's a lot-lot-lot of connections
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• 2432[17:41:37] <sypher> xai: Then that's what's limiting you, not the nature of the solution. But hey, what works for you works.
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• 2434[17:41:53] <xai> sypher: I just say, that kernel-space solution is faster
• 2435[17:41:54] <tharkun> I believe I am more int xai's case that on the openvpn camp
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• 2437[17:42:18] <xai> sypher: However I recommend to use OpenVPN if it's possible
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• 2439[17:42:47] <xai> But OpenVPN is not supported by a lot of exotic platforms
• 2440[17:42:48] <sypher> xai: Depends on the use case. Remote-access VPN? OpenVPN. Point to point static? IPsec all the way.
• 2441[17:43:12] <sypher> I think we've gone way off-topic here.
• 2442[17:43:17] <xai> Yeh
• 2443[17:43:20] <xai> Sorry for that))
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• 2447[17:44:18] <xai> tharkun: In the end, I just setup and pptp and l2tp and openvpn. To get openvpn certificate people uses special web-page and enters their login/pass (as for pptp/l2tp)
• 2448[17:45:08] <Akimoto> Morning
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• 2453[17:47:09] <xai> tharkun> … I'm quite a fast learner … — anyway prepare to spent a lot of time. For example some versions of MS Windows doesn't like too long RSA keys. And they don't say that, thay just say that certificate cannot be verified
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• 2456[17:47:30] <xai> And there's a great lot of such tiny problems
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• 2487[17:59:22] <tharkun> xai: Thanks for the heads up. I've writtend down your nick to bug you with such details :D
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• 2509[18:08:10] <jak2013> hi all
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• 2523[18:11:50] <consolejazz> Hi. Running Debian 7.11 (Linux kernel 3.18.5 armv5tel) on my low-power plug computer (Pogoplug Series 4). I have the OS installed on ext3-formatted partition on SD card. Can I still use an external drive for this system, but if it's got a ext4 partition?
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• 2528[18:12:39] <tharkun> Yes you can kernel 3.xx does support ext4 partitions
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• 2532[18:13:32] <consolejazz> I ran `cat /proc/filesystems` and here's output replaced-url
• 2533[18:13:43] <consolejazz> ext4 is shown
• 2534[18:14:04] <consolejazz> That's sufficient to tell me I should have no issues formatting/mounting ext4 drive yea?
• 2535[18:14:23] <consolejazz> tharkun: any difference considering this is running on ARM process?
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• 2537[18:14:42] <consolejazz> *processor
• 2538[18:15:07] <consolejazz> note that my main goal is to have ext4 partitioned external drive for NFS access
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• 2541[18:15:27] <consolejazz> as a local file share
• 2542[18:15:35] <tharkun> consolejazz: I am no expert on ARM processors, but I've run some really low memory stuff and freeing memory so the apropiate kernel module can be loaded has allways been helpfull
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• 2547[18:17:01] <consolejazz> tharkun: interesting. wondering what non-essential services I could kill/disable to free memory. The pogoplug setup is already very bare bones
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• 2549[18:18:56] <consolejazz> fwiw, output from htop: replaced-url
• 2550[18:19:03] <consolejazz> with system basically idle
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• 2618[18:51:26] <teraflops> niklas__: I do
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• 2633[18:58:31] <cuse> Hi there! Anbody else encountering SSL handshake issue after latest openssl update in Jessie?
• 2634[19:00:33] <WormFood> cuse, can you be more specific? I'm not having any issues. Which update (when), and what exactly is the problem?
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• 2645[19:03:21] <WormFood> Has anyone been successful in getting Unreal Tournament to run on 64-bit Jessie? Do I need a 32-bit distro to play, or has the interfaces it needs changed enough to make it not work anymore?
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• 2648[19:03:59] <WormFood> I get a seg fault, just after it tries to initialize the display
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• 2650[19:04:28] <tharkun> WormFood: Had a similar problem recently and you need to add some stuff to a 64 bit kernel so it can run 32 bit programs.
• 2651[19:04:44] <tharkun> My notes at the moment are beyond my reach
• 2652[19:04:52] <WormFood> tharkun, can you give me some clues, as to what it needs?
• 2653[19:05:07] <WormFood> and, by "add some stuff", what do you mean? Configuration? Modules?
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• 2655[19:05:42] <pflanze> Why does Debian not provide new maintainer keys as part of point releases (or even security upgrades)?
• 2656[19:05:45] <cuse> WormFood: "openssl s_client -connect someserver" aborts now with latest openssl 1.0.1t-1+deb8u2 and libssl1.0.0 1.0.1t-1+deb8u2
• 2657[19:05:58] <cuse> WormFood: works with previous version of openssl though
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• 2659[19:06:28] <uniTosch> Debian is capable of multiarch. Never had to add anything to the Kernel to run i386 stuff on my amd64 System.
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• 2662[19:07:39] <WormFood> same here uniTosch
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• 2664[19:08:44] <musca> !multiarch
• 2665[19:08:44] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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• 2667[19:09:02] <module000> WormFood: `ldd` your binaries and make sure you have the i386 packages you need yet?
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• 2673[19:11:03] <WormFood> module000, of course, that was the 1st thing I did. And, of course, it's not missing anything. It's not refusing to run because it can't load a .so, it's refusing to run, because it's simply crashing.
• 2674[19:11:18] <tharkun> WormFood: Sometimes you need an extra kick I found it here: replaced-url
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• 2677[19:12:05] <WormFood> I run other 32-bit apps, just fine.
• 2678[19:12:07] <module000> WormFood: this is a *really* hacky solution, but if the list of shared object deps isn't too large, look at the release date of your binary, and install the older .so's released around the same time.
• 2679[19:12:07] <tharkun> The multiarch factoids came a milimeter short because I needed a 32bit specific librarie and that link had my answer.
• 2680[19:12:39] <tharkun> WormFood: You do have to hunt down which is your missing librarie so you can install the 32bit version.
• 2681[19:12:54] <WormFood> tharkun, there are no missing libraries.
• 2682[19:12:58] <kejsi564> Hi everyone, for some reason the newest version of debian is using old resolution on my laptop, the vlc player barely even plays video because of the frame rate and no sound
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• 2684[19:13:08] <module000> tharkun: i don't think the libraries are missing, they are just about a decade too new, and things have changed to the point of unexpected behavior in his UT binary
• 2685[19:13:16] <kejsi564> could someone help me figure out what could be the issue
• 2686[19:13:33] <kejsi564> everything is big like icons text
• 2687[19:13:53] <WormFood> kejsi564, sounds like you don't have the proper video drivers
• 2688[19:13:54] <tharkun> ugh that is beyond my time to hack stuff today. Sorry
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• 2690[19:14:07] <kejsi564> WormFood yeah could be
• 2691[19:14:14] <kejsi564> anyway to fix this ?
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• 2693[19:14:25] <WormFood> module000, yeah...maybe 15 years too new. This is from 1999
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• 2695[19:14:42] <module000> WormFood: it's a classic, i remember running it under WINE before the linux port came :)
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• 2697[19:14:45] <WormFood> kejsi564, IF the drivers are the problem, wouldn't the solution be obvious?
• 2698[19:14:55] <WormFood> fuck wine.
• 2699[19:15:00] <tharkun> kejsi564: lspci -nn so you know where you are standing and look if you have the correct module for your video card.
• 2700[19:15:01] <WormFood> I don't even use that as a last resort.
• 2701[19:15:04] <tharkun> That is but a starting point
• 2702[19:15:08] <module000> WormFood: hard and without lube
• 2703[19:15:12] <kejsi564> tharkun one sec
• 2704[19:15:15] <WormFood> rebooting into Windows is the last resort :P
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• 2706[19:15:47] <tharkun> kejsi564: lsmod is also your friend.
• 2707[19:15:47] <WormFood> lspci -k, IIRC, is the option to show which driver is each device is using.
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• 2709[19:16:07] <module000> WormFood: not sure how deep in the weeds you want to get, but if the segfault is predictable(and happens early), you could strace it....but that's like a needle in a haystack for something the size of UT
• 2710[19:16:16] <module000> i'd try older libs first, and strace as the last resort
• 2711[19:16:21] <tharkun> WormFood: That one is nice :)
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• 2714[19:17:12] <WormFood> module000, I considered stracing it. It does happen at the same place. It doesn't even get out of text mode.
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• 2717[19:17:32] <kejsi564> tharkun WormFood replaced-url
• 2718[19:17:39] <WormFood> I suspect it's some interaction with the 32-bit binaries, and the 64-bit kernel, or maybe the SDL layer
• 2719[19:18:10] <module000> WormFood: SDL could be a really likely culprit, that's definitely gone through a mess of changes since UT release
• 2720[19:18:32] <WormFood> kejsi564, you have an ATI HD6290, it appears. Which drivers are you using for it?
• 2721[19:19:02] <WormFood> module000, with the limited info I have, and based on what I've seen, if I had to make a guess, that'd be it.
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• 2724[19:19:39] <kejsi564> WormFood how can i check this ?
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• 2726[19:19:52] <WormFood> kejsi564, I've already said
• 2727[19:20:45] <kejsi564> WormFood so what should i do now ?
• 2728[19:20:54] <WormFood> try lspci -k
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• 2730[19:22:36] <kejsi564> WormFood replaced-url
• 2731[19:23:24] <WormFood> Could not connect to DB: FATAL: remaining connection slots are reserved for non-replication superuser connections at /var/replaced-url
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• 2735[19:24:28] <WormFood> kejsi564, do you see what kernel driver is being used for your video card?
• 2736[19:24:34] <WormFood> it's no wonder it doesn't work.
• 2737[19:24:52] <kejsi564> hmm
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• 2740[19:25:45] <kejsi564> WormFood there is none
• 2741[19:25:50] <kejsi564> so i guess thats why
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• 2743[19:26:22] <WormFood> bingo!
• 2744[19:26:44] <kejsi564> hmm
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• 2746[19:26:52] <kejsi564> so now we know where we at
• 2747[19:26:56] <WormFood> So, it's treating it, as the lowest common denominator. It's a normal vga video card...most likely it's using the framebuffer. That's my guess.
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• 2749[19:27:15] <kejsi564> everything is big
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• 2752[19:27:40] <kejsi564> WormFood how can we fix this ?
• 2753[19:27:47] <WormFood> big pixels=low resolution.
• 2754[19:27:50] <p8m> WormFood: install a debian potato chroot for UT ;)
• 2755[19:27:56] <WormFood> we? You have a mouse in your pocket?
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• 2757[19:28:12] <p8m> WormFood: Do you think UT is using the system SDL or would it be statically linked?
• 2758[19:28:14] <WormFood> p8m, I'm not sure that'd actually work, if SDL is in fact the problem.
• 2759[19:28:24] <WormFood> It's not statically linked.
• 2760[19:29:02] <p8m> WormFood: An ancient distro would come with an ancient SDL, right?
• 2761[19:29:11] <WormFood> but they do supply their own libSDL-1.1.so.0
• 2762[19:29:14] <kejsi564> WormFood can you guide me through it ?
• 2763[19:29:22] <kejsi564> i would appreciate your help
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• 2770[19:31:45] <WormFood> kejsi564, perhaps xserver-xorg-video-ati would do the trick for you
• 2771[19:31:56] <WormFood> I forget the name of the open source ati drivers.
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• 2773[19:32:13] <p8m> WormFood: now I really want to play UT
• 2774[19:32:19] <WormFood> Or, you can get the ATI drivers for it. It don't matter which one you get, they both suck.
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• 2777[19:32:43] <WormFood> p8m, great. Once we get it figured out, we can have a battle ;)
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• 2784[19:35:09] <kisisten> hi, what is the difference between CI and revision control?
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• 2788[19:35:44] <kejsi564> WormFood apt-get... what should i get ?
• 2789[19:36:00] <kejsi564> xserver-xorg-video-ati tried this but getting an error
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• 2794[19:36:22] <WormFood> kejsi564, you must be new to Linux. Well...what error? Just saying it gets an error isn't helpful.
• 2795[19:36:48] <WormFood> kejsi564, which distro?
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• 2797[19:37:23] <kejsi564> WormFood im new yes
• 2798[19:37:30] <kejsi564> debian xfce
• 2799[19:37:36] <kejsi564> the newest one
• 2800[19:37:38] <WormFood> huh?
• 2801[19:37:43] <kejsi564> 8.1
• 2802[19:37:47] <WormFood> ok
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• 2804[19:38:20] <WormFood> Annnndddd....what is the error message?
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• 2808[19:40:28] <kejsi564> WormFood Invalid operation xserver-xorg-video-ati
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• 2811[19:41:24] <WormFood> kejsi564, aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati
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• 2814[19:43:22] <kejsi564> WormFood what does it show this replaced-url
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• 2825[19:45:11] <WormFood> kejsi564, it looks like you removed a package that did require those packages, and now they're being automatically removed because nothing is using them.
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• 2827[19:45:38] <kejsi564> hmm
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• 2829[19:45:44] <kejsi564> thats bad news
• 2830[19:45:47] <WormFood> kejsi564, do this first. aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade.
• 2831[19:45:52] <kejsi564> ok
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• 2833[19:46:15] <WormFood> you can copy and paste everything between the periods.
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• 2836[19:46:32] <WormFood> the && means the following command runs, if the previous command didn't have an errors.
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• 2842[19:49:01] <kejsi564> its downloading
• 2843[19:49:08] <kejsi564> it will take a while WormFood
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• 2850[19:51:00] <WormFood> kejsi564, once you get the proper video drivers installed, it should work as expected.
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• 2854[19:52:03] <kejsi564> yeah lets hope :)
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• 2856[19:52:13] <kejsi564> WormFood i got this message now replaced-url
• 2857[19:52:51] <kejsi564> is this something to worry about
• 2858[19:53:00] <WormFood> kejsi564, I can't spoon feed you. You have to use your brain, and see what is going on.
• 2859[19:53:04] <WormFood> What does it say?
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• 2861[19:53:50] <WormFood> They're just telling you what has been changed in the new updates being applied.
• 2862[19:54:01] <kejsi564> WormFood im just wondering why it would say this jessie-security; urgency=high
• 2863[19:54:11] <BadCodSmell> With debconf how do I turn off a note?
• 2864[19:54:15] <kejsi564> it seems like there was some security issue
• 2865[19:54:15] <WormFood> Unless you have customied exim, then you should have nothing to worry about.
• 2866[19:54:21] <kejsi564> oh ok
• 2867[19:54:29] <WormFood> it's an update.
• 2868[19:54:40] <WormFood> that particular one, is a high urgency update
• 2869[19:54:45] <kejsi564> WormFood should i run this xserver-xorg-video-ati now
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• 2871[19:54:58] <kejsi564> i see what you mean now
• 2872[19:55:02] <WormFood> I've been using qmail since 1999, and have no intentions to change. That shit is solid.
• 2873[19:55:25] <WormFood> you need to install it. You don't run it directly; it's part of the system.
• 2874[19:55:31] <teraflops> WormFood: heh
• 2875[19:55:52] <kejsi564> oh
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• 2877[19:56:19] <teraflops> WormFood: I barely remember those days patching qmail for working with ldap _P
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• 2879[19:56:44] <WormFood> kejsi564, there is also a very slight chance, your video card isn't supported under Linux (or more accurately, by the drivers)
• 2880[19:57:02] <kejsi564> WormFood yeah thats true i forgot about it
• 2881[19:57:09] <kejsi564> could be you right
• 2882[19:57:14] <kejsi564> what should i do now ?
• 2883[19:57:18] <BinBasher> How good of an idea is it to backport things with bumblebee? Can I backport only intel drivers and install nvidia and bumblebee normally? Can I backport (jessie-backports) all 3 bumblebee-nvidia, nvidia-driver and xserver-xorg-video-intel? How should I get this to work?
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• 2886[19:57:52] <WormFood> teraflops, those were the days. But once you get 'er done, you don't have to touch it again. No security updates for qmail, because it was designed to rock solid from the get-go.
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• 2910[20:08:27] <kejsi564> WormFood ?
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• 2917[20:10:02] <WormFood> not yet, but I will be one day. :P
• 2918[20:10:34] <kejsi564> WormFood so is this everything ?
• 2919[20:10:42] <kejsi564> should i restart the system
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• 2921[20:11:00] <kejsi564> or i need to configure it now from the system
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• 2923[20:11:10] <kejsi564> im just looking for the secion
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• 2930[20:13:21] <WormFood> kejsi564, rebooting is probably the easiest way to make your changes take effect
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• 2932[20:15:02] <kejsi564> Ok cool i will do it in a little bit cuz in the middle of something
• 2933[20:15:09] <BinBasher> So if anyone knows whether I should backport anything (bumblebee-nvidia, intel driver, nvidia driver) to get bumblebee working or if I should NOT backport anything -- that would be great!
• 2934[20:15:12] <kejsi564> WormFood i want to thank you for help
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• 2936[20:15:26] <kejsi564> debain really has a great support community
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• 2949[20:20:54] <nkuttler> finally fixed this pinentry thing breaking remembering the passphrase. it was apparently pulled in by pidgin-openpgp and icedove just started using it..
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• 2976[20:32:42] <Shadur> ... Okay, this is weird. A friend of mine is installing Debian and I'm talking her through some of the trickier bits. One of the problems she's having is that her main windows drive is an LDM partition.
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• 2979[20:33:16] <Shadur> Looking on stackexchange pointed me at ldmtool, which doesn't seem to exist according to apt-get, but replaced-url
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• 2981[20:34:34] <TomTomTosch> !tell Shadur about bat
• 2982[20:34:46] <WormFood> Shadur, are you sure she has Jessie, and didn't install something else by mistake?
• 2983[20:34:50] <TomTomTosch> will need some more info to help you.
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• 2985[20:35:17] <WormFood> Shadur, or, she doesn't have the proper repos enabled, maybe
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• 2992[20:37:31] <petn-randall> Shadur: Could be that it's not on the installer images.
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• 2999[20:41:14] <BinBasher> If anyone considers helping, additional information (could be relevant) is that I have the horizontal line glitches that come with nvidia, but optirun doesn't work after fixing the documented "can't load second GPU driver" issue, still get the error after editing the bumblebee.conf
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• 3002[20:41:34] <BinBasher> OpenCL detects mesa (strange)
• 3003[20:43:02] <Shadur> Right, issue fixed. Turns out she'd installed from DVDs and the sources.list wasn't updated yet.
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• 3007[20:44:38] <BinBasher> And yes my user is in the bumblebee group, I have no idea where to start fixing
• 3008[20:47:13] <NoImNotNineVolt> is there a way to figure out which init script started a given process?
• 3009[20:47:32] <NoImNotNineVolt> i see a process with PPID 1, but i have no idea which init script spawned it.
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• 3014[20:51:02] <greycat> NoImNotNineVolt: In general, no. You could trace through the init scripts and figure out what the next reboot would do, but there's no way to know what this one DID, because the scripts might have been changed since then.
• 3015[20:51:25] <Julnissen> hey.. is there an grafical thing for debian to see the internal temp? i uses vcgencmd measure_temp in terminal.. but i dont want to type it all the time
• 3016[20:51:29] <NoImNotNineVolt> well, what if i know the scripts haven't been changed since then?
• 3017[20:51:48] <greycat> Then read through the entire init script mess by hand and figure out what does what.
• 3018[20:51:59] <BinBasher> Julnissen: Are you using GNOME?
• 3019[20:52:06] <NoImNotNineVolt> the question is, which init script? :P
• 3020[20:52:12] <Julnissen> how do i know? BinBasher ?
• 3021[20:52:25] <Julnissen> i installed it from NOOB
• 3022[20:52:56] <BinBasher> Julnissen: When you hit the super key, do you see a bar with apps on the left and workstations to the right?
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• 3024[20:53:17] <greycat> NoImNotNineVolt: All. Of. Them.
• 3025[20:53:25] <NoImNotNineVolt> heh, fair enough. thanks :P
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• 3027[20:53:27] <BinBasher> Julnissen: or if you go to system details, does it say gnome?
• 3028[20:53:51] <NoImNotNineVolt> Julnissen: you can just use `watch vcgencmd measure_temp` in a terminal and never have to type it again :P
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• 3031[20:54:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> Julnissen: (watch simply re-runs a command periodically (default=2s))
• 3032[20:54:20] <Julnissen> BinBasher: yeah i can but the thing is that the temp goes up sometimes :P
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• 3034[20:54:43] <BinBasher> NoImNotNineVolt: ^
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• 3036[20:55:16] <TomTomTosch> Julnissen: echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP"
• 3037[20:55:17] <NoImNotNineVolt> it's not "graphical" in that you don't get some pretty thermometer graphics, but it saves you from re-entering the command repeatedly.
• 3038[20:55:20] <Julnissen> ooh BinBasher i uses raspbian :S
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• 3040[20:56:49] <Julnissen> BinBasher: when i put the text in terminal i dont get an answer
• 3041[20:56:53] <Julnissen> its just blank
• 3042[20:56:59] <BinBasher> Why use a GUI on a rpi?
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• 3044[20:57:06] <TomTomTosch> !raspbian
• 3045[20:57:06] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 3046[20:58:05] <Julnissen> TomTomTosch: but its a debian build.. so basic things can be helped even here..
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• 3050[20:58:28] <TomTomTosch> you said it was raspbian...
• 3051[20:58:35] <Julnissen> yeah i did
• 3052[20:58:57] <BinBasher> Julnissen: it's like asking for ubuntu support in #debian which is not done
• 3053[20:59:03] <NoImNotNineVolt> "Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian".
• 3054[20:59:34] <TomTomTosch> there is a channel dedicated to raspbian filled with wonderfull people who know what they are talking about.
• 3055[21:00:22] <BinBasher> Still no hero to fix my bumblebee issue </3
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• 3062[21:04:37] <yogurt2ungue> Hello people
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• 3065[21:05:47] <unborn> BinBasher: is that sort of walkie talkie like telefony?
• 3066[21:06:08] <yogurt2ungue> I have 200000 old files .flow in /var/lib/ntop, how do I read this files?
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• 3071[21:07:54] <iKarith> TomTomTosch: ... that might be a stretch at times. ;)
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• 3075[21:08:40] <BinBasher> unborn: What?
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• 3079[21:10:03] <unborn> BinBasher: ah that is nvidia thing.. sorry I was mistaking it with other software package.. my bad
• 3080[21:10:30] <unborn> BinBasher: this didnt work for you? replaced-url
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• 3082[21:11:52] <unborn> BinBasher: you may try ask them directly on #bumblebee
• 3083[21:11:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> okay, so, does the default debhelper create an init script for me or something?
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• 3086[21:12:12] <NoImNotNineVolt> or am i just being an idiot?
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• 3089[21:12:54] * NoImNotNineVolt suspects the latter
• 3090[21:13:04] <greycat> Debhelper? Why would debhelper have an init script?
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• 3092[21:13:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> create.
• 3093[21:13:44] <NoImNotNineVolt> not have.
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• 3095[21:13:50] <NoImNotNineVolt> but i think i'm just being an idiot.
• 3096[21:13:51] <greycat> What package are you talking about?
• 3097[21:14:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> i'm doing my own packaging.
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• 3099[21:14:14] * NoImNotNineVolt was here (and oftc) last year asking a bunch of stupid packaging questions
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• 3103[21:14:58] <NoImNotNineVolt> ah, yes, nevermind. i was being stupid. disregard :P
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• 3110[21:19:06] <namoamitabuddha> Why is TeXmacs out of maintenance now?
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• 3116[21:22:08] <BinBasher> unborn: it didn't work, and of course everyone in #bumblebee has been idle for the past 2 decades
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• 3126[21:27:02] <namoamitabuddha> It's only supported in wheezy.
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• 3187[21:49:05] <_CoolGuy_> I was kicked out for share an image of debian that is almost lost on the internet...
• 3188[21:49:26] <_CoolGuy_> in the ubuntu channel haha
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• 3190[21:49:55] <_CoolGuy_> replaced-url
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• 3204[21:56:58] <__CoolGuy> If you get banned is for ever?
• 3205[21:57:16] <greycat> Depends on the channel and how badly you screwed up.
• 3206[21:57:35] <greycat> Usually not.
• 3207[21:57:59] <__CoolGuy> I shared an image of debian on the ubuntu channel
• 3208[21:58:04] <__CoolGuy> xD
• 3209[21:59:14] <__CoolGuy> Here's an image that is almost lost on the internet replaced-url
• 3210[21:59:23] <__CoolGuy> Hope don't get banned
• 3211[21:59:49] <__CoolGuy> xD
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• 3220[22:01:23] <__CoolGuy> is there a way to break into the channel even though you are banned?
• 3221[22:01:49] <greycat> Doing that and getting caught is more likely to get you perma-banned on all known IPs.
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• 3223[22:02:17] <__CoolGuy> ok
• 3224[22:02:28] <LtL> __CoolGuy: if you have to ask.. well, you know the rest :)
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• 3302[22:41:44] <__CoolGuy> is there a good book about irc?
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• 3311[22:43:55] <blawiz> is there a good alternative to lynx -dump? which can be hard to read... (i know about tools like wget/curl which wont download all pages in viewable/readable form also)
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• 3344[22:57:44] <blawiz> also what else than sed could replace symlinks with copies of the files they link to?
• 3345[22:58:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1726
• 3346[22:58:21] <greycat> why would you use sed for this? cp thingthatisalink tmpfile; rm -rf thingthatisalink; mv tmpfile thingthatisalink
• 3347[22:58:29] <frikinz> blawiz: w3m
• 3348[22:58:34] <greycat> well, probably just -f instead of -rf
• 3349[22:58:47] <Slark> .hii..
• 3350[22:58:58] <Slark> how to migrate gtk2 to gtk3
• 3351[22:59:02] <Slark> im want to use gtk3 theme
• 3352[22:59:08] <blawiz> greycat: i dont want to replace them... but they have been replaced so im looking for suspects :]
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• 3355[22:59:27] <greycat> You said replace in the question.
• 3356[22:59:35] <blawiz> frikinz: nice didnt know it had dump too :)
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• 3361[23:00:55] <blawiz> greycat: ah.. well i had a folder with files and symlinks, and just discovered that there were no symlinks now.. only files and some duplicates.. so i wonder how that happened
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• 3389[23:15:02] <blawiz> i wish lynx and w3m dump had options for making headings more visible
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• 3406[23:27:42] <blawiz> is there a way to find files that are very similar? say 90%ish similar
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• 3419[23:38:09] <texla> Is jessie the release to start as a new user to debian???
• 3420[23:38:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> sounds reasonable to me.
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• 3423[23:38:46] <NoImNotNineVolt> are you new to debian or new to gnu/linux in general?
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• 3425[23:39:59] <texla> New to debian
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• 3429[23:40:21] <TomTomTosch> jessie is the release for anyone to use.
• 3430[23:40:38] <TomTomTosch> it's the current and only debian stable.
• 3431[23:40:54] <texla> 32 bit or 64 bit
• 3432[23:41:27] <TomTomTosch> texla: whatever your hardware is capable of. probably amd64. can tell you more if you tell us what chip you use.
• 3433[23:41:28] <blawiz> i dunno, if u install stretch you can use it for a longer time(?)
• 3434[23:41:39] <TomTomTosch> blawiz: no
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• 3437[23:42:38] <blawiz> yees
• 3438[23:42:38] <TomTomTosch> you can just do an upgrade to stretch once it becomes stable.
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• 3440[23:42:48] <blawiz> and u get newer software
• 3441[23:43:02] <TomTomTosch> we don't recommend stretch, expecially for new users.
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• 3445[23:43:12] <TomTomTosch> it's called testing for a reason.
• 3446[23:43:14] <blawiz> i dunno, does those upgrades usually work?
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• 3449[23:43:28] <NoImNotNineVolt> they work better than testing.
• 3450[23:43:28] <TomTomTosch> most of the time.
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• 3453[23:43:51] <TomTomTosch> you have to do an upgrade to get testing anyway.
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• 3455[23:44:01] <blawiz> dunno, ive had more problem with old software i think
• 3456[23:44:03] <blawiz> *shrug*
• 3457[23:44:12] <NoImNotNineVolt> depends on your use case.
• 3458[23:44:20] <TomTomTosch> then there are better distros than debian for that.
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• 3460[23:44:47] <NoImNotNineVolt> !sns
• 3461[23:44:47] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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• 3463[23:45:30] <CyberJacob> Anybody around to help with an mdadm RAID problem?
• 3464[23:45:32] <NoImNotNineVolt> indeed, if you for some reason frequently find yourself needing some bleeding-edge untested software, debian is probably not the distribution for you.
• 3465[23:45:36] <CyberJacob> Kinda hoping I haven't broken it too badly
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• 3467[23:46:32] <CyberJacob> essentially, I had a RAID5 of 4 disks
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• 3469[23:46:46] <CyberJacob> one of the disks started failing, but not enough to have mdadm eject it
• 3470[23:47:00] <CyberJacob> but enough to affect the server
• 3471[23:47:10] <CyberJacob> so I physically removed the drive and rebooted the server
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• 3475[23:47:46] <CyberJacob> It says I need to run an checkdisk interactively (which makes sense) and drops me into a shell
• 3476[23:47:51] <CyberJacob> but the keyboard doesn't work
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• 3478[23:48:01] <NoImNotNineVolt> that...
• 3479[23:48:06] <NoImNotNineVolt> that doesn't sound good? :P
• 3480[23:48:19] <CyberJacob> I started a live enviroment and installed mdadm onto it, which found and assembled the RAID
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• 3482[23:48:32] <CyberJacob> but running fsck from there complains about an invalid super-block
• 3483[23:48:32] <NoImNotNineVolt> yea, i was gonna suggest booting from a live dist
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• 3485[23:48:44] <NoImNotNineVolt> hrm.
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• 3489[23:49:05] <CyberJacob> I've still got the other disk, didn't do anything /that/ stupid
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• 3493[23:49:25] * NoImNotNineVolt has never had the luxury of rebuilding a raid array
• 3494[23:49:30] <blawiz> is it ok to put like 'sleep 6h' in crontab?
• 3495[23:49:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> wish i could help. good luck! :P
• 3496[23:49:46] <NoImNotNineVolt> blawiz: as long as it's not running every minute :P
• 3497[23:49:55] <blawiz> sleep ${var}h
• 3498[23:50:06] <NoImNotNineVolt> worst cast scenario, you have 360 sleeping processes at all times.
• 3499[23:50:07] <blawiz> NoImNotNineVolt: what happens then ;P
• 3500[23:50:10] <blawiz> hihi
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