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• 63[00:46:14] <toli_> guys, since 2 days am struggling with buster, to handle the suspend, and hibernation. Suspend works, but hibernation is not anymore, and I don't know that i did wrong. Installed hibernate, and when i run hibernate is starts hibernating, then returns to the window manager again!
• 64[00:46:18] <toli_> any hints?
• 65[00:47:13] <toli_> i cannot find anything on the net about it
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• 67[00:50:45] <toli_> here is a log of hibernate
• 68[00:50:46] <toli_> replaced-url
• 69[00:51:01] <toli_> it goes to hibernate, and then again / Resume...
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• 71[00:52:13] <toli_> this worked fine on a thinkpad t480 in the beginning , but not anymore, i think i did something wrong, when i tried to make suspend then hibernate!
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• 83[00:58:39] <eggbean> In /etc/ssh there are a load of ssh keys of different encryption standards. What are they for?
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• 87[00:59:10] <sponix> eggbean: to make you ask questions
• 88[00:59:38] <eggbean> sponix: ok
• 89[00:59:52] <sponix> ssh itself can do many hash types
• 90[01:00:05] <eggbean> Yes, I know that
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• 135[01:41:03] <toli_> forgot to say, when I run systemctl systemd-hibernate, I get: Failed to hibernate system via logind: Sleep verb "hibernate" not supported
• 136[01:41:29] <genericum> I'm running a 5.0 kernel because there are serious graphics errors if I install a newer on my amdgpu-rig. Anything I can do to fix this ?
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• 143[01:46:09] <dvs> genericum, If you're have a Ryzen 3000 series, that's all that you can do.
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• 146[01:53:36] <greatgatsby> toli, do you have secure-boot enabled in your bios? What does `cat /sys/power/disk` say?
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• 148[01:55:34] <greatgatsby> toli, the googles also suggest to ensure your swap is enabled and larger than your ram size
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• 151[01:56:45] <greatgatsby> replaced-url
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• 156[02:03:04] <oiaohm> greatgatsby: Are they really still using 16.04.1 like they should be on 16.04.6 by now.
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• 158[02:03:43] <greatgatsby> hehehe, well, hopefully the solution might still apply
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• 166[02:07:04] <oiaohm> greatgatsby: hibagent was rebuilt in 16.04.4 That a hibernation part that was buggy before that.,
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• 169[02:07:43] <oiaohm> greatgatsby: basically 16.04.1 with hibernation issues is to be expected.
• 170[02:08:08] <oiaohm> So telling someone how to activate hibernation on 16.04.1 ubuntu would not be the right thing.
• 171[02:08:27] <oiaohm> Other than upgrade first.
• 172[02:09:51] <gbit86__> If anyone has any ideas on how to detect the status of the input caret I'd be really interested in any solutions. replaced-url
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• 175[02:10:35] <greatgatsby> I see, ok. That's just one of the first hits for the "Sleep verb hibernate not supported" error. Seems like checking secure-boot setting, /sys/power/disk, and correct swap would still be suitable troubleshooting, but apologies if this is off-base.
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• 177[02:13:03] <greatgatsby> oiaohm, in case it's not clear, toli is not on 16.04.01, that just happens to be in the topic for that SO link
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• 193[02:27:23] <nvz> did I somehow wind up in #ubuntu?
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• 195[02:28:02] <joepublic> debian is not ubuntu! debian may be upstream of ubuntu, but it is not ubuntu.
• 196[02:28:38] <mason> It's diverging from Debian a lot lately.
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• 200[02:32:22] <gbit86__> I feel like nvz was commenting about me lol..
• 201[02:33:07] <gbit86__> I am a little impatient at times when searching for answers..
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• 223[02:57:21] <Resilience> is there anyway to use badblocks on a mounted filesystem?
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• 225[03:03:41] <sponix2ipfw> Resilience: probably not
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• 228[03:04:32] <Resilience> sponix2ipfw, thanks
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• 230[03:05:11] <sponix2ipfw> Resilience: what type of drive. And what is it in use for?
• 231[03:06:09] <Resilience> sponix2ipfw, sata, with / and /home filesystems in use, cannot spend the 5 hours that lasts the badblocks check
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• 234[03:06:46] <sponix2ipfw> Resilience: spinning disk?
• 235[03:06:54] <Resilience> sponix2ipfw, yes
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• 237[03:07:10] <sponix2ipfw> How big?
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• 239[03:08:28] <Resilience> sponix2ipfw, just 320 GB, old computer (and slow)
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• 244[03:09:09] <sponix2ipfw> Yeah.. I'd clone that off to a mid sized ssd
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• 251[03:10:50] <Resilience> sponix2ipfw, not possible :) (if it were possible, I wpuld not be asking this question)
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• 253[03:11:35] <Resilience> and by the way, once I hve run badblcks, waht should I do to instruct the filesystem not oto use the badblocks?
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• 264[03:21:10] <terr__> .w
• 265[03:21:15] <terr__> .w calgary
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• 268[03:22:04] <sponix2ipfw> Resilience: nothing
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• 270[03:22:44] <Resilience> sponix2ipfw, badblocks do it already?
• 271[03:23:07] <sponix2ipfw> It will flag the to be worked around already
• 272[03:23:17] <sponix2ipfw> Flag them
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• 274[03:24:13] <Resilience> sponix2ipfw, ok
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• 295[03:43:54] <TravisBunny9> hi I need help with getting a debian usb stick made I need it to be a regular filesystem not the cd rom disc image file
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• 298[03:44:06] <TravisBunny9> i need to know how to make it bootable via uefi
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• 310[03:52:51] <TravisBunny9> the iso has in its second partition a bare efi folder
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• 318[03:55:28] <TravisBunny9> how do I use the fa language under /usr/share/locale/fa/?
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• 326[03:57:56] <TravisBunny9> Unix supports multiple users for one account by using different languages
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• 329[03:59:06] <CCFL_Man> TravisBunny9: unix isn't linux
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• 334[04:02:49] <TravisBunny9> I need a guid partition table editor
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• 344[04:10:35] <TravisBunny9> I loved netbsd's gpt table editor
• 345[04:10:52] <TravisBunny9> it showed me where the unallocated parts where
• 346[04:10:57] <TravisBunny9> does debian have the same?
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• 349[04:14:26] <mason> TravisBunny9: cgdisk works
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• 361[04:25:40] <de-facto> what do those user names beginning with _ mean?
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• 364[04:25:50] <de-facto> e.g. _apt or _znc
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• 366[04:26:02] <de-facto> they are in the 1XX range
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• 369[04:27:05] <de-facto> can i just remove that _
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• 430[05:35:45] <tripkin> de-facto: they were likely created when you were installing or configuring stuff. Are you running the znc bouncer? You might have created _znc as part of that install. Usernames beginning with underscores are not part of the regular usernames created by the system, and most usernames in the 1xxx space are user generated.
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• 432[05:37:07] <tripkin> de-facto: nm, I have a _apt which was system created
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• 436[05:39:03] <tripkin> I wouldn't delete users in the 1xx range.
• 437[05:39:20] <tripkin> unless you know what you are doing...
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• 462[06:06:52] <mindlessmiss> hey guys I have a huion drawing tablet h640p, I found thiws digimend-kernel-drivers on github replaced-url
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• 465[06:07:52] <mindlessmiss> Kernel v3.5 or newer is required.
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• 694[09:15:23] <lst_> hello guys
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• 696[09:15:53] <lst_> could you tell me how to close port 222 on debian?
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• 698[09:16:19] <lst_> iptables -I INPUT -p tcp –-dport 21 -j REJECT
• 699[09:16:22] <lst_> doesnt work
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• 702[09:16:59] <lst_> it means iptables -I INPUT -p tcp –-dport 222 -j REJECT
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• 708[09:19:58] <ratrace> lst_: yes that last one should work, if it's port 222 and not 21 that you wanna "close"
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• 740[09:33:03] <sylvain31> Hi, I'm configuring a debian buster server, I would like to add some packages from testing. How to I kept buster as a preferred repository?
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• 743[09:33:54] <Fox> sylvain31: you don't want to do that or you'll screw your system
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• 749[09:37:44] <sylvain31> Fox: oh. I thought it was possible. I want to install borgbackup and borgmatic, because testing has newer version. And installing borgmatic through pip installs build-essential and dev friends.
• 750[09:37:49] <ratrace> sylvain31: the foot-shooting documentation is here: replaced-url
• 751[09:38:28] <eggbean> I have a directory with the size of 12288 and not the usual 4096. What does this mean?
• 752[09:38:28] <ratrace> a must read: replaced-url
• 753[09:39:34] <ratrace> eggbean: that's the size of metadata the directory uses to track its contents
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• 757[09:40:19] <eggbean> ratrace: I don't understand why it would be different to two other similar directories (names 01, 02 and 03)
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• 760[09:40:46] <eggbean> And how can I find out what this metadata is?
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• 767[09:43:16] <ratrace> eggbean: what metadata is there I guess depends on the filesystem so you should look its respective docs or source.
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• 770[09:43:52] <eggbean> ok
• 771[09:44:01] <eggbean> it's ext3 anyway
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• 774[09:45:35] <jelly> eggbean: apparent size of directory on ext2/ext3/ext4 is related to the maximum number of files inside it at some point in time
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• 777[09:46:37] <jelly> eggbean: directory structures are resized dynamically to accomodate more directory entries when needed. If you delete the files that space is not reclaimed.
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• 779[09:47:25] <eggbean> jelly: Okay thanks
• 780[09:47:43] <eggbean> There are only 133 files in this strange directory
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• 783[09:48:19] <sylvain31> ratrace: Ok thanks, I gonna read that and try what I can do, with that.
• 784[09:48:23] <eggbean> I don't know, maybe I have not noticed this before, but that would be surprising. I've been using linux for over a decade
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• 786[09:48:56] <ratrace> sylvain31: be sure to read that DontBreakDebian link (it's also linked in the apt pinning doc)
• 787[09:49:06] <jelly> eggbean: there are no files in this directory, but there used to be tens-hundreds of thousands at some point:
• 788[09:49:09] <jelly> drwxrws--- 2 list list 1253376 Feb 18 09:48 in
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• 791[09:50:01] <eggbean> jelly: Are yo usaying that this 12288 size directory used to have hundreds of thousands of files in it at some point?
• 792[09:50:13] <jelly> eggbean: no, maybe a couple hundred
• 793[09:50:56] <eggbean> hmmn, seems unlikely, but I will keep an eye out on directory sizes, cheers
• 794[09:50:57] <jelly> allocated (and shown) size is related to the number of directory entries
• 795[09:51:24] <jelly> eggbean: go create an empty new directory, and touch 10000 files in it
• 796[09:51:37] <jelly> see what happens
• 797[09:51:53] <eggbean> Okay, I'll play around with that a bit later, cheers
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• 829[10:08:34] <openbsdtai123> I have tested OpenBSD for Raspberry PI: replaced-url
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• 833[10:09:31] <at0m> openbsdtai123: preferably in #raspbian, #raspberrypi =)
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• 838[10:13:23] <openbsdtai123> I wrote "fast developemnt" and that you support now wifi.
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• 840[10:13:37] <no_gravity> Good Morning
• 841[10:13:57] <no_gravity> It's a mistery to me how to change the font size in Thunderbird. It has a setting for it, but that has no effect.
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• 857[10:21:36] <no_gravity> Ha, it has an effect on html emails. But not on text emails. Hmm...
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• 859[10:22:15] <at0m> no_gravity: Ctrl-mousewheel would wo, but that doesn't set a default :s
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• 862[10:22:42] <mackerel449> have you tried setting "devpixels" in advanced config?
• 863[10:22:56] <at0m> also, recent firefox has default zoom on web pages, yay!
• 864[10:23:53] <at0m> as for the interface/menu fonts, i think that's .gtkrc, or .gtkrc-2.0 or whatever is current
• 865[10:24:00] <no_gravity> at0m: Yeah, I always hit ctrl+ ctrl+ ctrl+ when opening a message. I want to set it as a default.
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• 868[10:24:11] <no_gravity> I mean the message font, not the interface.
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• 871[10:24:43] <at0m> right, so a default zoom. looking forward to that in recent firefox. maybe that brings it to TB, too. idk.
• 872[10:25:12] <no_gravity> Well "zoom".. I would simply that the font size setting also applies to text messages.
• 873[10:25:16] <no_gravity> Not only to html messages.
• 874[10:25:19] <at0m> right
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• 963[11:13:19] <Zajt> I'm trying to setup a DHCP server, so I ran: sudo apt install isc-dhcp-server, but I get this error: replaced-url
• 964[11:13:23] <Zajt> Anyone know how I can fix it?
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• 970[11:15:15] <mi11k1> im using MX distro, I just enabled software brightness xrandr by accident and my display is alol messed up now. anybody know how to shut it off?
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• 975[11:16:49] <at0m> mi11k1: MX? anyways, xrandr again to set it to something more sensible? or check for defaults
• 976[11:17:10] <at0m> mi11k1: at worst, reboot /me grins
• 977[11:17:24] <mi11k1> at0m, I use Debian for everything, or a variation
• 978[11:17:32] <mi11k1> already rebooted
• 979[11:17:42] <mi11k1> i just use MX as a desktop
• 980[11:17:44] <at0m> mi11k1: and it's persistent across boots?
• 981[11:17:56] <mi11k1> yes, it stayed the same.
• 982[11:18:05] <mi11k1> just looking at cli now
• 983[11:18:15] <mi11k1> i think i got it maybe
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• 986[11:19:43] <mi11k1> im going to have to mess around with it, its dual display and 1 seems to be normal
• 987[11:20:00] <mi11k1> so i guess, it was 50% persistant over the reboot
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• 991[11:24:58] <ratrace> Zajt: can you post full log entry please? journalctl -u isc-dhcp-server.service and why are you using pictures? no network to use wgetpaste or similar?
• 992[11:25:53] <at0m> mi11k1: dualhead, too, here. i got somewhat confused with xrandr, and used arandr, a GUI config editor, to export some sensible scripts to recall different configs
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• 994[11:26:07] <Zajt> Here is the log ratrace replaced-url
• 995[11:26:09] <at0m> mi11k1: but you'd need X up and running for that, ofc
• 996[11:26:44] <mi11k1> at0m i am on X i think. this isnt wayland
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• 998[11:27:15] <ratrace> Zajt: sounds like you have to configure it first.
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• 1000[11:27:27] <at0m> mi11k1: well yea, i meant some desktop that can run GUI
• 1001[11:28:18] <mi11k1> im on xfce
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• 1004[11:28:50] <at0m> mi11k1: apt show arandr. it has minimal depends, and is 328kB
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• 1006[11:29:02] <mi11k1> i have it
• 1007[11:29:08] <at0m> cool
• 1008[11:29:25] <mi11k1> problem is i cant get it to default
• 1009[11:29:55] <mi11k1> and now the problem has reversed monitors, lol
• 1010[11:30:03] <at0m> mi11k1: if one display Just Works, maybe get brightness settings etc from the good one?
• 1011[11:30:41] <mi11k1> ya, thats what im trying to do now.
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• 1015[11:31:35] <mi11k1> my display blanked and all my windows got stranded. i wish i could just stick to one thing long enough so im not always having to relearn
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• 1018[11:32:22] <mi11k1> i guess thats the whole point though, looking for something better
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• 1021[11:34:07] <mi11k1> at0m, ui think theres another daemon running that controls what im trying to get at
• 1022[11:34:46] <at0m> mi11k1: yea. why i got arandr to get me some scripts for sensible defaults before i screwed up. if i get into trouble now, i recall those :>
• 1023[11:35:13] <Bodiro> Hi! Is there a safe way to downgrade from unstable to testing? Would it be ok, to stop updates for a while and then change unstable to testing (bullseye) in sources.list?
• 1024[11:35:14] <mi11k1> at0m i always used arandr, i learned on crunchbang and that was default
• 1025[11:35:42] <at0m> dpkg: tell Bodiro about downgrade
• 1026[11:36:01] <mi11k1> lol
• 1027[11:36:17] <at0m> Bodiro: but yea, halting updates till next unstable becomes testing is an option
• 1028[11:36:27] <mi11k1> thats why virtual machines exist
• 1029[11:36:33] <at0m> bullseye will remain bullseye
• 1030[11:37:12] <at0m> Bodiro: so if you set sources.list to bullseye not testing or unstable, you'll eventually end up with stable bullseye
• 1031[11:37:26] <jelly> Bodiro: it's not a reliable method at all, but it's a good first step.
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• 1033[11:37:29] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1034[11:37:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1035[11:38:19] <mi11k1> at0m what compositor do you use ?
• 1036[11:38:56] <Bodiro> Ok, thanks for advice!
• 1037[11:38:56] <at0m> mi11k1: X/sddm/kde on the main pc
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• 1040[11:39:24] <mi11k1> thats plasma right?
• 1041[11:39:29] <at0m> i guess so
• 1042[11:40:01] <mi11k1> i might try it again, its pretty good
• 1043[11:40:33] <mi11k1> i used to like mate a long ime ago, got the win xp feel, lol
• 1044[11:40:46] <at0m> mi11k1: considering xrandr doesn't depend on either, i suspect that's not gonna solve your problem
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• 1046[11:41:11] <mi11k1> no, i think that theres another damon running on this environment
• 1047[11:41:28] <mi11k1> mx is a really custom distro
• 1048[11:41:35] <at0m> mi11k1: maybe see what files changed last in your ~/ and check those. dunno where randr left that persistent-across-boot setting
• 1049[11:41:40] <mi11k1> and this is a new release, so theres some changes
• 1050[11:41:47] <at0m> oh, not debian
• 1051[11:41:53] <at0m> ask them :p
• 1052[11:42:03] <mi11k1> its debian
• 1053[11:42:09] <mi11k1> as far as im concerned
• 1054[11:42:17] <at0m> not as far as we're concerned
• 1055[11:42:25] <mi11k1> i know
• 1056[11:42:36] <at0m> !not debian
• 1057[11:42:37] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 1062[11:46:01] <mi11k1> its debian, just tweaked. try it out, youll like it. its the best outofbox solution ive used
• 1063[11:46:26] <mi11k1> its based on buster and the mx repo is just unstable i think
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• 1067[11:48:38] <at0m> mi11k1: for the last time. it's not debian.
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• 1069[11:50:21] <ws2k3> i wanne add a secondary ip to my machine. but for this ip i have a seperate gateway. does this require the use of routing table? and policy's to set this up?
• 1070[11:50:36] <mi11k1> did you mkae a vlan or alias?
• 1071[11:50:53] <mi11k1> with network-manager or interfaces file?
• 1072[11:51:13] <mi11k1> nm, you want to
• 1073[11:51:28] <mi11k1> is it the same subnet?
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• 1075[11:52:13] <ws2k3> not the same subnet. i made an alias
• 1076[11:52:43] <mi11k1> with nm-applet?
• 1077[11:53:07] <mi11k1> imodify the interfaces file for stuff like that
• 1078[11:53:21] <ws2k3> mi11k1: is that message for me?
• 1079[11:53:21] <mi11k1> i only use nm for wireless pretty much
• 1080[11:53:26] <mi11k1> yes
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• 1082[11:53:57] <ws2k3> mi11k1: its a server so no nm-applet just interfaces file
• 1083[11:54:18] <mi11k1> did you make a eth0:1 or eth0.1?
• 1084[11:54:30] <mi11k1> : is alias and . is vlan
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• 1086[11:56:17] <mi11k1> and now you are locked out right? lol
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• 1088[11:57:29] <mi11k1> at0m, i got it. color profiles
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• 1090[11:57:38] <at0m> yay!
• 1091[11:57:53] <mi11k1> damn, it looks nice now.
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• 1095[12:00:03] <mi11k1> at0m, xfce4-color-settings is the command
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• 1098[12:02:09] <ws2k3> mi11k1: no just on the same interface on eth0
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• 1117[12:12:54] <NetTerminalGene> would debian use clearlinux optimization?
• 1118[12:13:34] <ratrace> ws2k3: you can only have one gateway. gateway is "route you send all the packets with no explicit route defined to". if you had more than one, how do you choose which one to use
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• 1120[12:13:51] <ratrace> NetTerminalGene: which one is that?
• 1121[12:14:02] <korhojoa> usually it's random or round-robin if you have multiple routes
• 1122[12:14:14] <korhojoa> but i'm not sure, i've never configured that on linux
• 1123[12:14:22] <ws2k3> ratrace: traffic arriving with destionat that ip. should use gateway X
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• 1125[12:14:32] <NetTerminalGene> ratrace, intel's clear linux. it beats all linux distros in benchmarks
• 1126[12:14:35] <ratrace> ws2k3: that's not gateway
• 1127[12:14:48] <ratrace> NetTerminalGene: yes but which optimization is that. CL has many of them
• 1128[12:14:51] <ws2k3> ratrace: a route then
• 1129[12:15:05] <ratrace> ws2k3: right. but you can only have one gateway.
• 1130[12:15:12] <NetTerminalGene> ratrace, dunno. all of them maybe?
• 1131[12:15:22] <ws2k3> ratrace: would that be possible to create a route like that?
• 1132[12:15:32] <ratrace> ws2k3: route like what?
• 1133[12:16:09] <ws2k3> outgoing traffic from ip or network X use this as gateway
• 1134[12:16:10] <ratrace> ws2k3: the kernel creates a default route for the entire subnet, for the NIC, as a consequence of setting a IP
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• 1138[12:16:47] <korhojoa> ws2k3: 'man ip' or 'man route' should help you to do it
• 1139[12:17:08] <ratrace> ws2k3: the kernel decides which NIC to use based on DEST, not SRC ip, unless you had explicit hints or routing involved.
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• 1141[12:17:57] <ws2k3> i see so my approach wont work
• 1142[12:18:13] <korhojoa> something like ip ro a 172.16.0.1/28 via 192.168.254.254 dev ens13p4
• 1143[12:18:13] <ws2k3> ratrace: so it proberly means i need to use routing tables
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• 1148[12:19:59] <ws2k3> korhojoa: but that means send traffic with destination 172.16.0.1/28 to gateway 172.168.254.254
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• 1151[12:20:41] <korhojoa> yes
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• 1160[12:27:38] <ws2k3> korhojoa: but that i not what i desire
• 1161[12:27:54] <ws2k3> korhojoa: i want to. depending on the ip the connection came in wanne check which gateway to use
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• 1163[12:28:18] <korhojoa> ws2k3: please explain
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• 1166[12:28:36] <korhojoa> sounds like a router's job
• 1167[12:29:11] <ws2k3> korhojoa: i have an ip like 10.0.0.100/24 with gateway 10.0.0.1 and i have an ip like 5.5.5.5 which use use gateway 5.5.5.6
• 1168[12:29:28] <ws2k3> korhojoa: when an incoming connections comes in on 5.5.5.5 it should respond over gateway 5.5.5.6
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• 1170[12:29:36] <ws2k3> not the default gw
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• 1176[12:30:51] <toruvinn> ws2k3, replaced-url
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• 1179[12:31:00] <toruvinn> you want policy routing. lartc has it all described.
• 1180[12:31:20] <toruvinn> actually, no.. wait
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• 1183[12:31:36] <toruvinn> you just want to route stuff to 5.5.5.5 through 5.5.5.6? then why not ip r a 5.5.5.5 via 5.5.5.6 dev xxx ?
• 1184[12:31:51] <toruvinn> and the rest goes through your default 10.x.x.x
• 1185[12:32:12] <hhhudo> what is the recommended way in debian ( with regard to distribution upgrades ) , when installing perl modules, as normal user or as root ?
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• 1190[12:33:13] <toruvinn> hhhudo, i'd install them through apt if possible. then they'll get included in the upgrade process. otherwise they're out of Debian's normal package management and i guess it's up to you... (in which case i'd personally not want them in /, but /home/me would be ok-ish)
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• 1192[12:33:53] <toruvinn> but that's just me. i really dislike anything touching /usr/ or other. not even /usr/local...
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• 1194[12:36:31] <hhhudo> i remember a perl problem when upgrading from jessie to stretch : /home/me/perl5/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi/auto/Socket/Socket.so: undefined symbol: Perl_xs_apiversion_bootcheck
• 1195[12:36:52] <hhhudo> I could not solve the problem... any ideas
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• 1199[12:41:00] <ratrace> ws2k3: wait, doesn't that happen already like that? it should be stateful
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• 1211[12:47:11] <mi11k1> you can use ip route
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• 1214[12:47:52] <mi11k1> ip route add (subnet) via address
• 1215[12:47:56] <mi11k1> or something like that
• 1216[12:48:08] <ratrace> not relevant in this problem
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• 1218[12:48:49] <g0d_shatter> I've got a wireless driver issue for BCM4312 802.11b/g, on debian sid, its my first go round with unstable
• 1219[12:49:00] <mi11k1> i have a vm running with opnsense on it right now, playing with gateways
• 1220[12:49:18] <mi11k1> good old b43
• 1221[12:49:24] <g0d_shatter> installed broadcom-sta-dkms, wl, b43-firmware-installer
• 1222[12:49:31] <g0d_shatter> nothing seems to work
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• 1224[12:49:49] <mi11k1> is it in iw dev?
• 1225[12:50:29] <mi11k1> im actually having the same problem, but mines is passed pcipassthrough to a vm
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• 1227[12:51:12] <g0d_shatter> mi11k1: not sure!
• 1228[12:51:22] <mi11k1> i think u want the legacy driver
• 1229[12:51:47] <g0d_shatter> oh word? which legacy driver is that?
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• 1231[12:52:01] <mi11k1> apt search b43
• 1232[12:52:13] <g0d_shatter> mi11k1: thank you
• 1233[12:52:16] <mi11k1> one should be legacy
• 1234[12:52:53] <mi11k1> im just talking out of my ass, i dont actually know
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• 1236[12:53:03] <mi11k1> thats what i would do though
• 1237[12:53:14] <g0d_shatter> yeah I've been trying different packages
• 1238[12:53:19] <g0d_shatter> so its worth a shot
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• 1240[12:53:32] <mi11k1> yo might have to unload the modules
• 1241[12:53:42] <mi11k1> or maybe check to see if its blacklisted
• 1242[12:53:57] <g0d_shatter> what does blacklisted mean in regard to kernel modules?
• 1243[12:54:11] <mi11k1> goddammit, i just realized what my problem has to do with
• 1244[12:54:58] <mi11k1> like it blocks the module from loading
• 1245[12:55:04] <g0d_shatter> haha
• 1246[12:55:08] <g0d_shatter> glad one of us got it
• 1247[12:55:12] <mi11k1> did you dmesg?
• 1248[12:55:20] <g0d_shatter> yeah reading it now
• 1249[12:55:21] <mi11k1> or lsmod?
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• 1251[12:55:53] <mi11k1> im not working on that now, it just occured to me when i was responding.
• 1252[12:56:06] <mi11k1> as soon as i snag, i move onto something else.
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• 1256[12:57:20] <mi11k1> i find the more i sit there and mess with something, it just triggers other variables that may cause something to not work
• 1257[12:57:34] <mi11k1> when i get pissed i just start flicking switches
• 1258[12:58:46] <wbddwokl1> msg nickserv identify wbddwokl1
• 1259[12:59:01] <mi11k1> you are now known as wbddwokl1
• 1260[13:00:01] <mi11k1> u didnt include yer password for us
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• 1263[13:00:21] <g0d_shatter> lol
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• 1268[13:01:43] <mi11k1> im sick as a dog. cya later , going back to bed.
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• 1281[13:08:32] <yibotg> I got 25 message about "S**k A FAT DONKEY DICK ***" from different user,Have I did wrong thing?
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• 1309[13:18:50] <ws2k3> toruvinn: cause 5.5.5.5 is the ip i configure on this box. not the destination
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• 1312[13:20:14] <ws2k3> toruvinn: i configure ip 5.5.5.5 on this box. and ip 10.0.0.100. my default gateway is 10.0.0.100 traffic that reached my box on 5.5.5.5 should use gateway 5.5.5.5
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• 1329[13:33:12] <ratrace> ws2k3: is this on the same NIC?
• 1330[13:33:17] <ratrace> same link?
• 1331[13:33:22] <ws2k3> ratrace: yes
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• 1334[13:33:59] <ratrace> ws2k3: then that's not under your control. there's no routing info embedded in tcp packets (not IP frames iirc).
• 1335[13:34:22] <ratrace> the kernel simply creates a packet with DST address and puts it on the link. your upstream router is the one that should decide where/how to route it
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• 1337[13:34:38] <ws2k3> ratrace: so in that case only option i have is routing tables
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• 1340[13:34:52] <ratrace> ws2k3: check with tcpdump. is the kernel responding acks with src ip in the 5.5.5.x subnet?
• 1341[13:35:10] <ratrace> ws2k3: no you don't understand. you have only one physical link. there's nothing you can route on your end.
• 1342[13:35:41] <ws2k3> ratrace: hmm ur sure?
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• 1346[13:35:58] <ratrace> eg. when a SYN packet arrives to your NIC to 5.5.5.5 dst addr. the kernel will respond with ack packet that has src ip 5.5.5.5, check with tcpdump
• 1347[13:36:20] <ratrace> and that packet is put on the one and only link you have. the upstream router then decides how and where to route your ACK with src-ip 5.5.5.5
• 1348[13:37:01] <ratrace> at least AFAIK that's what the kernel should do with no special routing tables involved
• 1349[13:37:08] <ws2k3> ratrace: hmm im not sure in how far you are right here. cause i tested it with ip rule and that worked
• 1350[13:37:35] <ratrace> ws2k3: don't speculate, look at tcpdump. which src-ips do the ACK packets have, when you initiate a SYN to 5.5.5.5 ?
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• 1352[13:38:15] <ratrace> (syn-ack I mean, but you get the point)
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• 1355[13:40:10] <ws2k3> ratrace: what tcpdump command should i use then? tcpdump -dst ip is not right i think
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• 1363[13:41:40] <ratrace> ws2k3: dump 'em all..... tcpdump -i eth0 or whatever it is. if that's over ssh, you can filter out ssh traffic, like tcpdump -i eth0 'port not 2222' or whatever you use for ssh
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• 1366[13:42:18] <ratrace> ws2k3: or test with, say, nc on the remote side to a dedicated port and tcpdump traffic just for that port
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• 1368[13:43:27] <ratrace> but note, you need something listening on the port you're testing, or else the kernel won't respond with syn-ack
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• 1373[13:47:26] <ws2k3> ratrace: i think i only see a SYN not an ACK
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• 1382[13:51:50] <ratrace> ws2k3: do you have any packet filtering in place that would DROP unallowed traffic?
• 1383[13:52:06] <ratrace> even if you had nothing listening, you should see a response to syn, be it icmp reject or a rst or whatev
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• 1392[13:54:57] <ws2k3> ratrace: maby the iptables setup is pretty complex
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• 1394[13:55:54] <ratrace> ws2k3: you should test in a clean environment. no packet filtering, no traffic going on, just you, the machine, and the silent breeze of upcoming spring.
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• 1440[14:15:50] <ws2k3> ratrace: i setup a clean enviroment. and then i do see the R packt
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• 1449[14:27:09] <ratrace> ws2k3: and does it have the correct src-ip ?
• 1450[14:27:23] <ws2k3> ratrace: yes
• 1451[14:27:43] <ws2k3> ratrace: but in the current setup. i have a routing table
• 1452[14:27:45] <ratrace> ws2k3: then there's nothing else you can really do about that :: assuming, again, you have only one link there.
• 1453[14:28:01] <ratrace> ws2k3: well then it works?
• 1454[14:28:22] <ws2k3> ratrace: yes i think so. which means the issue is somewhere else
• 1455[14:28:28] <ratrace> also, what specifically are you routing and how, since you have only one link?
• 1456[14:28:30] <ws2k3> ratrace: which means some iptable rule is blocking the ACK on the normal setup
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• 1458[14:28:34] <ratrace> note: routing != packet munging
• 1459[14:28:36] <ws2k3> this was the clean testing setup
• 1460[14:29:03] <ratrace> ws2k3: right so you probably did not have any routing issues, but packet filtering issues. that's why clean env was important to test this.
• 1461[14:29:23] <ws2k3> yes that is most likely now
• 1462[14:29:52] <ws2k3> ratrace: but the iptables on the normal setup are realy big :P so that is going to be hard to figure out
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• 1464[14:31:05] <ratrace> welp, good luck :)
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• 1532[15:18:59] <nyuszika7h> gnu-smalltalk is not available in buster?
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• 1535[15:22:03] <ratrace> ,v gnu-smalltalk
• 1536[15:22:04] <judd> Package: gnu-smalltalk on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.4-2.1; stretch: 3.2.5-1+b3; bullseye: 3.2.5-1.3+b2; sid: 3.2.5-1.3+b2
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• 1540[15:23:36] <nyuszika7h> it's in oldstable and testing, weird
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• 1543[15:25:01] <ratrace> uh there was a way to ask the bot for reasons it's dropped..... jelly, halp?
• 1544[15:25:24] <dvs> nyuszika7h, it might have had release critial bugs that weren't fixed for buster?
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• 1566[15:39:49] <jelly> ratrace: uh, judd: bug rm ... ?
• 1567[15:40:04] <jelly> if it's not in sid any more
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• 1572[15:41:13] <ratrace> ah yes, digging through judd's help options, found it.
• 1573[15:41:22] <ratrace> judd: bug rm gnu-smalltalk
• 1574[15:41:25] <judd> Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
• 1575[15:41:54] <ratrace> hmm yes but there was a way to list removals from stable too, no?
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• 1577[15:42:06] <ratrace> "why rm somethign something"
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• 1579[15:44:19] <jelly> if it's merely not in current stable, that means it was RC buggy at freeze time and before the release
• 1580[15:44:25] <jelly> and noone'd fixed it
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• 1582[15:44:46] <jelly> if it's in sid, it's not dropped, per SAY
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• 1588[15:47:40] <themill> bug #868545
• 1589[15:47:41] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1590[15:47:48] <themill> bug #871077
• 1591[15:47:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1593[15:48:23] <themill> (Found in the REMOVED message at replaced-url
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• 1617[16:05:01] <ice9> i'm trying to give sftp access to user to his /home/user but getting this error when trying to login: "bad ownership or modes for chroot directory /home/user"
• 1618[16:05:13] <ice9> this is happening only in debian 9 , in 10 it works
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• 1620[16:06:26] <ratrace> ice9: chrooted sftp requires chroot dir be owned by root and not writable by anyone else
• 1621[16:07:12] <ratrace> (not just chroot itself but all its direct parent dirs too)
• 1622[16:07:16] <ice9> ratrace, this restriction in debian 9 only?
• 1623[16:07:30] <ice9> how can i give sftp to /var/replaced-url
• 1624[16:07:35] <greycat> *plonk*
• 1625[16:07:43] <ratrace> no, and it's openssh's rule. see ChrootDirectory entry in sshd_config(5) manpage
• 1626[16:08:35] <ratrace> ice9: ideally you should not give replaced-url
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• 1640[16:13:54] <Sashke> anyone?
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• 1642[16:14:08] <Sashke> hguys i neeed some help?
• 1643[16:14:16] <Sashke> in linux
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• 1645[16:14:21] <joepublic> dpkg, ask
• 1646[16:14:21] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1647[16:14:28] <mason> Sashke: I went back five pages and I don't see a question.
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• 1650[16:15:30] <mackerel449> i'm trying to get evince to use local libraries, i have `make install`'d libspectre but evince is still using the system library, i already ran ldconfig and i can't get it work with LD_PRELOAD either ("cannot open shared object file" but i can stat(1) the file just fine)
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• 1652[16:16:01] <mason> mackerel449: I think you're looking for LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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• 1659[16:20:38] <mackerel449> shouldn't libs in /usr/local/lib have priority? i'm looking at the memory maps for evince and it doesn't seem to use the local lib
• 1660[16:21:56] <jelly> mackerel449: your custom libs should also have matching ELF architecture and SONAME that the app wants
• 1661[16:22:19] <jelly> mackerel449: what does ldd /path/to/real/evince/binary say
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• 1673[16:24:06] <greycat> ld.so(8) describes the order in which the dynamic loader searches for libraries
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• 1675[16:25:01] <mackerel449> jelly: it doesn't list libspectre at all
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• 1677[16:25:53] <mackerel449> the local lib has .so, so.1 and .so.1.1.8 just like the packaged library
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• 1679[16:27:39] <colo-work> jelly, maybe the evince ELF just doesn't dynlink that library at all then?
• 1680[16:28:01] <colo-work> (a library _existing_ at a certain path doesn't imply it being used by anything)
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• 1689[16:34:02] <mackerel449> colo-work: i can see libspectre.so.1.1.8 is memory mapped for evince, it's an indirect dependency (evince -> libevdocument3-4 -> libspectre)
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• 1691[16:34:16] <jelly> mackerel449, colo-work: ah, fun. An executable can load a .so later with dlsym() and dlopen() functions
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• 1696[16:34:28] <ice9> ratrace, so how should i limit the user access to /var/replaced-url
• 1697[16:34:29] <colo-work> yeah, might have been dlopen()d
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• 1700[16:35:22] <jelly> those are supposed to obey ld.so env vars like LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but who knows
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• 1703[16:36:50] <mackerel449> that's what i thought too
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• 1708[16:40:11] <jelly> mackerel449: does "cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*" show /usr/local/lib as first?
• 1709[16:40:27] <colo-work> mackerel449, what does ldd display for the full path to your version of libevdocument3-4, by the way?
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• 1713[16:42:53] <mackerel449> colo-work: you want the output? because it doesn't list libspectre for some reason, it's possible it's dlopen()'d but that shouldn't change things
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• 1715[16:43:14] <colo-work> no, I just wanted to make sure of that
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• 1717[16:44:07] <mackerel449> jelly: "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfakeroot" is first followed by /usr/local/lib
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• 1719[16:45:16] <greycat> I don't think the order of the *files* in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ matters
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• 1722[16:45:51] <mackerel449> is it possible they hardcoded the path with dlopen()?
• 1723[16:46:06] <colo-work> sure
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• 1729[16:51:18] <jelly> mackerel449: yeah that's ok
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• 1733[16:54:18] <mackerel449> i symlinked libspectre.so.1.1.8 to the one in /usr/local/lib, it's definitely dlopen()'d, the app loads and says it can't find libspectre.so.1, which is a link to *.so.1.1.8
• 1734[16:54:40] <colo-work> why not just check the source? :)
• 1735[16:55:05] <jelly> mackerel449: does your file actually have the SONAME of libspectre.so.1 ?
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• 1738[16:55:37] <greycat> is it even the correct architecture? have we got *any* details of anything yet?
• 1739[16:56:02] <jelly> objdump -p .../libspectre.so.1.1.8 | grep SONAME
• 1740[16:56:07] <jelly> and also
• 1741[16:56:14] <jelly> file .../libspectre.so.1.1.8
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• 1744[16:57:42] <mackerel449> the "local" install has .so so.1 and so.1.1.8, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libspectre.so.1 -> libspectre.so.1.1.8 (this was edited by me) -> /usr/local/lib/libspectre.so.1.1.8
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• 1747[16:57:57] <TravisBunny9> where is the support channel for sid?
• 1748[16:58:02] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1749[16:58:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1750[16:58:15] <TravisBunny9> ok
• 1751[16:58:16] <mackerel449> greycat: should be all amd64
• 1752[16:58:25] <greycat> mackerel449: please provide the information jelly asked for
• 1753[16:59:02] <jelly> mackerel449: that changed symlink will be back next time "ldconfig" is run, say when package bringing a .so library gets upgraded
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• 1757[17:00:23] <mackerel449> SONAME is libspectre.so.1 for libspectre.so.1.1.8, both the local install and the original shared object packaged by debian
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• 1759[17:00:35] <greycat> and you can't just PASTE it here...?!
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• 1763[17:01:08] <mackerel449> jelly: it's really just a temporary solution because i can't pinpoint what's the actual issue
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• 1765[17:02:12] <mackerel449> :/usr/local/lib$ objdump -p libspectre.so.1.1.8 | grep SONAME
• 1766[17:02:12] <mackerel449> SONAME libspectre.so.1
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• 1769[17:02:49] <mackerel449> :/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu$ objdump -p libspectre.so.1.1.8.orig | grep SONAME
• 1770[17:02:50] <mackerel449> SONAME libspectre.so.1
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• 1775[17:04:38] <greycat> Guess what the first two files in replaced-url
• 1776[17:04:55] <jelly> mackerel449: and file confirms it's a 64bit build?
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• 1778[17:05:43] <greycat> maybe you can find some more clues in replaced-url
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• 1782[17:06:08] <greycat> or in dmesg, or wherever apparmor logs its messages
• 1783[17:06:22] <mackerel449> geez
• 1784[17:07:02] <mackerel449> :/usr/local/lib$ file libspectre.so.1.1.8
• 1785[17:07:02] <mackerel449> libspectre.so.1.1.8: ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=788965d2f0b69e8e9e51aaeb2d0cbe1a6204480e, with debug_info, not stripped
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• 1790[17:08:31] <jelly> mmm, pie
• 1791[17:09:36] <mackerel449> indeed evince and libspectre is mentioned in dmesg, i never considered apparmor doing that
• 1792[17:09:50] <greycat> Nobody expects the apparmor inquisition!
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• 1796[17:10:14] <jelly> !blame apparmor
• 1797[17:10:14] * dpkg blames edlou and apparmor for the end of the Internet as we know it
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• 1799[17:10:50] <ratrace> HEY!
• 1800[17:11:05] <jelly> (and I feel fine?)
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• 1802[17:11:25] <ratrace> LEAVE BRITNEY^WAPPARMOR ALONE!
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• 1808[17:13:12] <edlou> dpkg: apparmor set my computer on fire!!
• 1809[17:13:13] <dpkg> edlou: are you using Windows?
• 1810[17:13:21] <mackerel449> requires a reboot to disable
• 1811[17:13:24] <edlou> dpkg: apparmor installed windows o nmy computer
• 1812[17:13:24] <dpkg> edlou: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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• 1815[17:14:02] <ratrace> d'oh reboot trigger happy kids! could've disabled just the profile.
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• 1825[17:18:42] <mackerel449> it's using libspectre from /usr/local, hooray!
• 1826[17:18:44] * jelly wasn't even aware apparmor would be enabled by default in buster
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• 1828[17:18:46] <ratrace> mackerel449: could've just disabled the profile, or even better, adjusted it for your needs
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• 1832[17:19:26] <mackerel449> ratrace: i have no idea how to do that
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• 1834[17:19:49] <ratrace> aa-disable /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.evince
• 1835[17:20:00] <zerocool> anyone know how to remove the kde package manager?
• 1836[17:20:13] <zerocool> the gui tool
• 1837[17:20:43] <colo-work> I wonder what the ratio of "security module breaks feature" vs. "security module protects against actual attack" is these days on GNU/Linux
• 1838[17:21:06] <mackerel449> ratrace: that's convenient, does it persist across reboots? i just googled "how to disable apparmor", might reenable it sometime
• 1839[17:21:24] <ratrace> mackerel449: yes
• 1840[17:22:03] <ratrace> colo-work: here's a metric from our servers: broken features: 0 blocked wordpress/PHP infections in 2019: 17 attempts
• 1841[17:22:42] <jelly> ,file bin/aa-disable
• 1842[17:22:47] <judd> Search for bin/aa-disable in buster/amd64: apparmor-utils: usr/sbin/aa-disable
• 1843[17:22:57] <mackerel449> colo-work: these security measures suck sometime, e.g. i cant use virtualbox with secure boot (there might be a way to sign the kernel module or w/e, but that should be a yes/no prompt, not a 10-step process)
• 1844[17:22:58] <zerocool> perhaps it's packagekit?
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• 1846[17:23:54] <Sherpa> isn't secure boot somewhat overrated
• 1847[17:24:03] <colo-work> ratrace, that's the absolute best-case scenario however - installing wordpress is, in my book, equivalent to handing a would-be attacker physical access to the box it's running on ;)
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• 1849[17:24:18] <colo-work> (I was actually tempted to write "desktop GNU/Linux" earlier)
• 1850[17:24:28] <ratrace> colo-work: indeed
• 1851[17:24:59] <mackerel449> zerocool: usually i search for the process name when i can't figure out the package name, those two are usually the same/similar
• 1852[17:25:14] <ratrace> AA is an excellent tool if you're aware of it and know how to use it. unfortunately, due to balance of usability <-> security, it may caues grief if you don't
• 1853[17:25:29] <zerocool> mackerel449: i've done it before via google but all results are not really what im looking for, there had to be a term i was using
• 1854[17:25:52] <zerocool> figured someone here may be able to augment my lack of googles this morning :/
• 1855[17:26:11] <mackerel449> DEs should issue notifications for these apparmor events tbh
• 1856[17:26:17] <jelly> ^
• 1857[17:26:29] <ratrace> I think there is such a tool already
• 1858[17:26:44] <jelly> if you're changing userspace behavior, have the decency to show the breakage where it happens
• 1859[17:27:05] <mikjaer> apt-cache search linux-images does not show the amd64 kernel, how do i get it to do that?
• 1860[17:27:22] <jelly> ratrace: the fact it's not default causes an hour of frustration for the whole channel
• 1861[17:27:36] <ratrace> can't disagree there.
• 1862[17:28:03] <ratrace> though I love and use AA extensively, I do agree it was pushed into buster with little foretought.
• 1863[17:28:42] <mackerel449> zerocool: dpkg -S process_name?
• 1864[17:28:46] <ratrace> hm, yeah, the tool I was thinking about is SEalert, for selinux problems.
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• 1866[17:29:04] <ratrace> but still... AA logs via audit facility, so it should be possible to have an audit-based desktop notifier even for AA
• 1867[17:29:05] <zerocool> mackerel449: im not even sure of the process name
• 1868[17:29:13] <zerocool> packagekit isn't it though
• 1869[17:29:17] <zerocool> doesn't seem to be it
• 1870[17:29:24] <zerocool> maybe it's part
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• 1872[17:29:36] <mackerel449> run it and find it in process manager/whatever it's called?
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• 1874[17:29:45] <zerocool> it's cool if nobody knows off the top of their heads i'll find it
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• 1876[17:29:48] <mackerel449> the gui is def not packagekit
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• 1879[17:30:23] <ratrace> ideally, each package, like evince here, and thunderbird from the other day, should not carry their AA profiles themselves, but via package-apparmor-profile or something like that.
• 1880[17:30:49] <ratrace> at least with selinux-supporting distros that seems to be the case, which is a good thing.
• 1881[17:31:16] <ratrace> then put those packages in "suggests" priority, and it's a win-win.
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• 1947[18:16:13] <Aebian> can someone explain to me what options I have if a program refuses to accept my new icon? It seems like it is hardcoded into the app. The app is called nomacs and I tried to change the icon via icon theme and by editing the nomacs.desktop file (I'm using kde plsma btw) but no luck
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• 1955[18:19:26] <mackerel449> what is refusing the new icon exactly? the launcher?
• 1956[18:20:33] <BCMM> Aebian: are you trying to change the icon that appears in the taskbar and in kwin?
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• 1960[18:22:35] <jelly> Aebian: and executable can have the icon for its windows hardcoded in the binary and set it at runtime, yes
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• 1965[18:23:54] <jelly> Aebian: run the xprop tool from a terminal, click with its crosshair cursor on a nomacs' window and see if terminal output of xprop shows ascii art images of the icon, in its output
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• 1970[18:27:53] <aZz7eCh> hi #deb. running buster, default desktop. i have created a .desktop file as a launcher for bitcoin-qt like i have on previous deb installs. I have copied it to ~/.local/share/applications however, despite rebooting, it doesn't come up as an application under the launcher. likewise, after googling, have tried copying the .desktop file to /usr/share/applications, however to no better result. any suggestions?
• 1971[18:27:55] <NetTerminalGene> is debian more secure than freebsd out of box?
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• 1973[18:28:32] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: a minimal installation is very very secure.
• 1974[18:29:02] <jelly> seeing as there are NO exposed services at all. It's also very useless.
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• 1976[18:29:12] <NetTerminalGene> but i use default gnome debian
• 1977[18:29:16] <BCMM> NetTerminalGene: what you were told in ##linux is true: "security" is a vague term, and there's not really a good way to rank things in order of "how secure" they are
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• 1979[18:29:30] <BCMM> (i mean, unless one of them is colossally, obviously bad)
• 1980[18:29:34] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: does FreeBSD come with a GUI and DE by default?
• 1981[18:29:41] <annadane> fbsd installer comes with certain hardening options out of the box but i really wouldn't worry about it, both are i'm sure fine
• 1982[18:29:50] <annadane> also freebsd doesn't make a very good desktop so i probably wouldn't use it
• 1983[18:29:57] <BCMM> aZz7eCh: are you sure your .desktop file is valid? how did you create it?
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• 1986[18:30:21] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, i don't think so
• 1987[18:30:33] <aZz7eCh> BCMM, i actually copied it from my other system where its working fine?
• 1988[18:30:50] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: they you'd be comparing apples and sausages
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• 1990[18:31:03] <annadane> FWIW someone wrote this thing replaced-url
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• 1992[18:31:50] <annadane> and i spoke to someone who used to be a freebsd maintainer person thing who didn't have a great opinion of the project but, you know, opinions, anecdotes, blah blah
• 1993[18:32:16] <annadane> they're both fine as far as security is concerned afaik
• 1994[18:32:17] <mason> annadane: Someone has a grudge because of the FreeBSD Code of Conduct.
• 1995[18:32:26] <annadane> nah it was other stuff
• 1996[18:32:26] <aZz7eCh> BCMM, good grief. after pulling my hair out for an hour, Hidden=true was for some reason set.
• 1997[18:32:29] <BCMM> aZz7eCh: have you looked inside that .desktop file? could there be something about it that is specific to that system? for example, does it specify an absolute path to the binary, but you installed it somewhere else on this machine?
• 1998[18:32:31] <BCMM> heh
• 1999[18:32:32] <mason> annadane: Re: the first link
• 2000[18:32:36] <annadane> oh that
• 2001[18:32:44] <aZz7eCh> BCMM, thanks for you help tho!!
• 2002[18:32:56] <jelly> annadane: Debian's tendency to autostart exposed services when they're just installed is one of the things that comes to mind
• 2003[18:32:58] <annadane> they're both serious projects with different strengths, anyway
• 2004[18:33:06] <annadane> yep
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• 2006[18:33:37] <jelly> "oh it can have a default setting that isn't completely useless? We better start it right away!"
• 2007[18:33:48] <annadane> in void and i guess fbsd you have to actually physically start services manually
• 2008[18:33:55] <Aebian> jelly: it does indeed output a ascii icon
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• 2010[18:33:59] <jelly> hell evnen in RHEL
• 2011[18:34:44] <jelly> policy-rc.d aside, this is about "out of the box" experience, so, defaults
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• 2014[18:35:47] <annadane> btw question everything, don't assume that page i linked is gospel
• 2015[18:35:53] <annadane> it just happens to exist which is why i posted it
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• 2017[18:36:03] <annadane> people do disagree with it
• 2018[18:36:27] <jelly> Aebian: so there's an icon resource built-in. I _think_ there's a way to change X11 resources without recompiling, but I have never tried to change the icon and would not know how to do it.
• 2019[18:36:38] <mason> It's like politics. Believe all the attack ads on both sides, because they're probably something to them.
• 2020[18:36:54] <jelly> if only there were just two sides
• 2021[18:37:01] <mason> Well. On all sides.
• 2022[18:37:48] <annadane> i'm sure there's something you can do in debian to not make services start upon package install... though i think that's been asked before and the answer is "you can't"
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• 2026[18:38:43] <jelly> annadane: it's policy-rc.d, and the question was about "out of the box" experience, so, defaults,
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• 2028[18:40:04] <annadane> just stumbled upon replaced-url
• 2029[18:40:14] <jelly> and there may be better way in the future
• 2030[18:40:14] <annadane> so irc LIED to me
• 2031[18:40:18] <Tornado53> Hello, I've 2 disks, one of them is HDD and the other is SSD, I've a debian on the HDD (sda), How can I move root(/) partition into the SSD(sdb) and keep Home(/home/*) into HDD?
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• 2033[18:40:30] <annadane> (i mean this other person who said you can't, not #debian right now)
• 2034[18:41:15] <jelly> !policy-rc.d
• 2035[18:41:15] <dpkg> [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See replaced-url
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• 2037[18:41:33] <annadane> if i did more reading i'd probably know that
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• 2040[18:44:47] <greycat> so... this policy-rc.d thing, it's just for sysvinit?
• 2041[18:46:29] <LtL> greycat: yup, the pre-systemd days
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• 2048[18:48:18] <jelly> greycat: I _think_ invoke-rc.d is still called in postinst scripts and it obeys policy-rc.d; however, if a systemd unit is merely enabled something else might magically start it as a dependency
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• 2051[18:49:37] <jelly> I mostly use it in chroots and the chroots are initless. Did not convert any to full containers but systemd-nspawn looks nice.
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• 2071[19:00:46] <EdePopede> jelly: ACK @ services. install, configure, start. it's *under*wear for a reason.
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• 2080[19:07:04] <jelly> only if you wear it under.
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• 2105[19:23:37] <rlp10`> How do I override the DNS servers given to me by DHCP to a manual selection?
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• 2114[19:27:18] <diogenes_> rlp10`, in network manager settings.
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• 2130[19:35:12] <rlp10`> diogenes_: thanks, i'll check it. I was trying to use the network manager applet
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• 2136[19:37:35] <diogenes_> rlp10`, that's IPv4 settings set it to addresses only and put your DNS and restart the network manager settings.
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• 2180[20:11:34] <JordiGH> Oh wow.
• 2181[20:11:43] <JordiGH> Ubuntu's base-files includes a phone-home ad-serving script.
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• 2185[20:12:45] <JordiGH> And didn't even have the decency to change the description of base-files to not say "Debian system".
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• 2195[20:20:59] <ratrace> ad serving?
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• 2213[20:31:44] <JordiGH> ratrace: replaced-url
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• 2215[20:32:28] <ratrace> that's fake news. those aren't ads.
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• 2218[20:33:19] <JordiGH> No, fake news is when you create a website, oh never mind, people don't remember what fake news was.
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• 2221[20:33:46] <JordiGH> anyway, it is an ad: replaced-url
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• 2223[20:34:12] <greycat> Deleting conffiles in Debian doesn't reinstall them when you upgrade the package; see <confmiss>. I doubt Ubuntu differs there, but who the hell knows, other than #ubuntu.
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• 2228[20:39:11] <JordiGH> #ubuntu was the one who suggested to not just delete the file.
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• 2232[20:42:21] <teclo-> well if you run Debian GNU/Linux don't do what people from #ubuntu tell you...
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• 2235[20:43:02] <ratrace> JordiGH: you can uninstall the whole dynamic motd thingy though. no need to fiddle with chmod
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• 2237[20:43:22] <JordiGH> You mean rm the file?
• 2238[20:43:31] <ratrace> I mean uninstall the package
• 2239[20:43:37] <JordiGH> The package is base-files
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• 2241[20:43:54] <ratrace> but without update-motd, it's dead weight
• 2242[20:44:11] <ratrace> none of our few ubuntu servers have that, and motd is empty
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• 2247[20:45:04] <JordiGH> ratrace: The package isn't installed and I'm still getting ads.
• 2248[20:45:56] <greycat> well, #debian is not the place to complain about it
• 2249[20:46:32] <ratrace> then it's maybe some other package, can't remember now. we install both debian and ubuntu via debootstrap and don't include the ubuntu-* metapackages. it's one of those deps then.
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• 2254[20:50:02] <ratrace> ah yes, you can also disable it via "login" pam module, as that's the thing that triggers the update and dynamic motd
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• 2257[20:51:17] <ratrace> /etc/default/motd-news also disables it. pretty sneaky, so integrated into the system. bah. Debian FTW.
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• 2377[21:59:58] <zumba_addict> hey all, since apt-get install postgresql-client is failing for me, where can I download a pkg that I can install manually?
• 2378[22:00:08] <zumba_addict> for debian 8
• 2379[22:00:23] <JordiGH> Wow, 8.
• 2380[22:00:30] <JordiGH> Uh, did you try the snapshot archive?
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• 2385[22:00:59] <zumba_addict> where can I find snapshot archive?
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• 2387[22:01:19] <zumba_addict> it's an old system we have. NOt sure why they haven't updated it
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• 2390[22:01:53] <zumba_addict> replaced-url
• 2391[22:02:33] <zumba_addict> replaced-url
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• 2393[22:02:57] <JordiGH> Yeah, that.
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• 2395[22:03:23] <zumba_addict> on my terminal, it was also showing postgresql-common. Looks like i need to download that too
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• 2398[22:04:15] <zumba_addict> i'll use dpkg -l to install it right?
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• 2401[22:05:10] <JordiGH> -i
• 2402[22:05:11] <zumba_addict> hmm, I don't see postgresql-client
• 2403[22:05:12] <JordiGH> dashe eye
• 2404[22:05:14] <zumba_addict> oh
• 2405[22:05:14] <JordiGH> not dash ell
• 2406[22:05:22] <resc_054b5_1239> I'm using rescatux and wonder how to shut it down and reboot - and about the logs. I have 2 logs on the now booted rescatux screen, which both say execute if I click them. Before I remove the CD for rescatux, any tips?
• 2407[22:05:27] <JordiGH> Should be there somewhere.
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• 2429[22:15:19] <zumba_addict> on my debian8 in a vm, apt-get worked. Maybe I can just download the file from this vm. Where would it be cached?
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• 2440[22:21:46] <TimSah> Selam
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• 2456[22:25:58] <zumba_addict> I got all 4 files i need. How do I know which one I should install first with dpkg -i?
• 2457[22:27:17] <zumba_addict> dpkg won't restart the server right?
• 2458[22:27:19] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, zumba_addict
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• 2460[22:29:20] <zumba_addict> i think it's better to run apt-get update
• 2461[22:29:34] <zumba_addict> i am getting errors installing, looking for more deps
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• 2463[22:29:57] <zumba_addict> geez, even apt-get update failed :( sigh
• 2464[22:30:13] <zumba_addict> Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 2466[22:32:30] <zumba_addict> got this - Depends: libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0) but it is not installable
• 2467[22:34:03] * greycat scans back... so you're on *jessie*? well, yeah, I don't think jessie had libssl1.1
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• 2469[22:34:30] <zumba_addict> i'm install psql client
• 2470[22:34:36] * greycat scans again... jessie-backports? uh... well, uh...
• 2471[22:34:45] <zumba_addict> it's because this the onlyu machine that is allowed to sql to our postgres server
• 2472[22:34:48] <greycat> "good luck"?
• 2473[22:34:57] <zumba_addict> got it
• 2474[22:35:06] <greycat> it's not like backports are well maintained for a release that's 2 major releases out of date
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• 2476[22:37:56] <zumba_addict> i'll see if I can use another machine
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• 2483[22:40:42] <mackerel449> jessie-backports is gone..? it's not on packages.debian.org nor backports.debian.org
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• 2487[22:41:48] <greycat> maybe it's archived? I really do not know.
• 2488[22:41:51] <greycat> !archive
• 2489[22:41:51] <dpkg> archive is, like, a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
• 2490[22:42:06] <greycat> what does the wiki page for jessie say about it, if anything?
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• 2500[22:48:39] <mackerel449> not much, i guess when it was switched to LTS they dropped backports
• 2501[22:49:21] <mackerel449> replaced-url
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• 2506[22:52:20] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2507[22:52:23] <greycat> *THAT* jessie page.
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• 2554[23:45:22] <ws2k3> ratrace: ur around?
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• 2580[23:57:18] <rgr> seriously, how can the gnome developers expect people to use Wayland if I cant seven simply set my *ing PATH?
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• 2583[23:58:13] <petn-randall> rgr: What does gnome/wayland have anything to do with setting your PATH?
• 2584[23:58:31] <rgr> because it doesnt source any of the usual profiles.
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• 2588[23:59:08] <rgr> and googling is turning up jack .environment.d/*.conf files are not working in debian it seems.
• 2589[23:59:20] <petn-randall> rgr: And you're trying to set it for ...?
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