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8[00:04:11] <linuxthefish> how much space do all the debian
jessie packages need? like if i was to download all the main without
source?
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9[00:04:29] <zykotick9> linuxthefish: why would you do that?
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11[00:04:52] <nkuttler> linuxthefish: you can't anyway
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12[00:04:57] <linuxthefish> zykotick9, just curious the total
space for all packages
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15[00:05:26] <linuxthefish> ah
replaced-url
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20[00:06:31] <buu> so is the minimum mirror you need all +
amd64 = 298gb?
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22[00:07:16] <nkuttler> that page says nothing about which
releases are included
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26[00:08:09] <buu> I guess my question is more.. what's
the difference between all and amd64?
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28[00:08:50] <nkuttler> sounds like arch-independent stuff
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36[00:12:39] <buu> yeah but what could possibly run on both arm
and powerpc?
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37[00:12:49] <c1a551f1ed> buu: Scripts.
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38[00:12:50] <buu> I guess like, non-binary stuff
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39[00:12:55] <buu> But 120gb of them?
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41[00:13:00] <jim> is there a driver for a rtl8188us chip nic
card connected by usb?
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47[00:14:44] <nkuttler> buu: scripts, data packages,
documentation, ..
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56[00:18:52] <mender27> jim, it should be within the kernel
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58[00:19:39] <mender27> jim, as in, it's built as a
module, but it's distributed together with the mainline debian
kernel. You need firmware-realtek for the firmware, though.
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59[00:19:41] <tw> Is there a way to auto-reconnect cifs mounts
after hibernation? Example, 1. I mount a remote cifs filesystem
mounted at /cifs1, 2. I create a shell session and cd to
/cifs1/dir1, 3. systemctl hibernate & wait 10+ minutes, 4.
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63[00:20:34] <tw> How do I get the cifs mount to resume
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66[00:20:59] <mender27> buu, nkuttler, yes "-all"
means architecture-independent packages :)
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67[00:21:11] <mender27> See you o/
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72[00:22:54] <jim> mender27, do you know what the module is
called?
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99[00:36:35] <OERIAS> anyone here tried to install Unity in
Debian>
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100[00:36:37] <OERIAS> ?
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108[00:38:21] <zykotick9> OERIAS: if you want Unity, i'd
suggest using ubuntu... <- if your choice of OS is NOT DE
related, then debian might be the better choice ;)
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111[00:40:11] <OERIAS> zykotick9, my issue is that I want Unity
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112[00:40:18] <OERIAS> but not having to use Ubuntu
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113[00:40:26] <OERIAS> using Debian instead
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115[00:40:29] <missmbob> you're out of luck
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269[02:12:58] <introom> what's the packaing policy on how
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270[02:13:13] <introom> fish2.5 has been out for several month,
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271[02:14:55] <missmbob> dont expect much during full freeze.
priorities change
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273[02:15:45] <introom> missmbob: freeze? on testing?
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274[02:15:58] <missmbob> yes
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420[03:26:52] <Schwarzbaer_> ThomasJ, that spare computer with
PCI-e slot is a Pentium dual core, 2GHz, 1GB RAM. Any idea how I
figure out from the command line what kind of slot that RAM sits in?
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422[03:27:33] <Papillon> what kind of slot?
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424[03:27:49] <Papillon> like what kind of ddr? ddr1 ddr2?
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425[03:27:55] <toruvinn> Schwarzbaer_, dmitool?
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426[03:28:04] <toruvinn> er, dmidecode.
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428[03:28:46] <Schwarzbaer_> ... Oops, wrong channel. Still,
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464[03:47:40] <baribal> Hi. I've just installed Jessie on
an old machine, and now I'd like to rebuild the graphics
interface; starting with using notion as WM, probably Dunst as
notification daemon, then I'll need a display manager, I guess
something greeter-like for the lock screen... Where can I read up on
where to start, what I need, and how to do it?
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466[03:48:51] <gry> what did you install? did you install the
base only, or did you also install a desktop?
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467[03:48:53] <Papillon> choose a wm you like, apt install $WM
Dunst etc
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469[03:49:12] <Papillon> might have to fiddle some config files
if you can do it at all
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470[03:49:56] <baribal> gry, Yes, a desktop, none specific
option chosen, so it apparently defaulted to Gnome. I can re-install
completely without default interface, if that'd make it easier.
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472[03:51:45] <baribal> Papillon, well, *that* is the part that
I'd need tome guide on, actually. Just installing stuff is
trivial, after all. The specific configuration, like graphical
theming and setting notion's keybindings, that I can to myself
too, no problem. It's configuring X (I guess) to make it all
come together which I have no idea about.
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485[03:59:12] <gry> baribal, yes I would personally find it
easier. maybe someone here can tell you how to remove gnome desktop
without complete reinstall but I am not familiar with that process
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492[04:03:06] <baribal> gry, reinstalling is trivial. And *then*
what would I do? Do you know of a guide for
not-quite-dummies-but-not-professional-either?
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494[04:03:25] <gry> install the packages you need using
apt(itude)
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502[04:04:51] <baribal> I'll give it a try, but I seriously
doubt that it's as easy as you're making it sound. :p
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512[04:13:45] <gry> ok
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516[04:16:16] <orlock> How do i see what package was built to
provide a certain .deb?
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519[04:17:03] <orlock> As in, i'm making the assumption
that building a single source package could result in multiple
binary .deb's depending on the package?
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560[04:45:59] <dgriffi> when did the names for networking
devices change? I don't see eth0 and wlan0 anymore.
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564[04:47:04] <Texou> oh it's changed for 1,5 year
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565[04:47:49] <Texou> orlock: this info is on
snapshot.debian.org or tracker.debian.org
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569[04:48:29] <Texou> dgriffi: oh it's changed for 1,5 year
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570[04:48:57] <daemon> hey all can anyone help me out with a
routing problem:
replaced-url
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571[04:49:04] <daemon> as to how its possible that, that gateway
is unreachable
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572[04:49:26] <awal1> Texou: what have changed?
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573[04:49:38] <Texou> names of network devices
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576[04:50:22] <awal1> I'm running unstable and I still see
eth0/wlan0
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577[04:50:29] <Texou> really?
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578[04:50:40] <Texou> here things have changed for a long
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579[04:50:45] <awal1> yeah
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580[04:50:54] <Texou> probably depends on interfaces, or kernel
release, or systemd
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581[04:51:34] <dgriffi> Texou: systemd... as is usual for weird
and jarring changes in operation...
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582[04:51:46] <Texou> yes... :(
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585[04:52:46] <Texou> I really will need to learn systemd
someday :)
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586[04:52:51] <dgriffi> the debian installer needs an option for
choosing which init will be used.
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587[04:53:02] <Texou> oh
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588[04:53:09] <Texou> hard debate in Debian :(
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591[04:53:29] <Texou> now sysvinit will disappear
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592[04:53:35] <Texou> as no one maintains it anymore
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593[04:53:52] <Texou> given that opposed people to systemd left
Debian
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594[04:54:10] <dgriffi> Texou: I thought someone was maintaining
a sysvinit switch within debian.. lemme dig that up
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595[04:54:15] <Papillon> the debian packaging guide didn't
even mention systemd or at least last time I read it a few months
ago
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596[04:54:38] <Papillon> the packaging guide as of this year at
least I think says everything has to work with sysvinit
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597[04:54:38] <Texou> dgriffi: not now
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599[04:54:51] <Texou> Stretch seems to exit sysvinit
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601[04:55:01] <Texou> as transitional time is too heavy to
maintain
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602[04:55:07] <chris32> I talked with someone on here on IRC on
PM about dating someone of a specific ethnicity and now I am getting
ads on dating websites ads about people of that ethnicity. I am
using firefox with a very minimal installation
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603[04:55:12] <chris32> Is there something wrong with firefox?
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604[04:55:32] <chris32> I am getting ads about dating websites*
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605[04:55:38] <dgriffi>
replaced-url
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606[04:55:46] <chris32> i didnt visit any dating website and
dont have cookies related to it
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607[04:56:01] <Texou> Papillon: seems the position changed
before freeze
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609[04:56:15] <dgriffi> and now for something completely
different... new install and the underscore character isn't
showing up...
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610[04:56:23] <dgriffi> for xterms
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614[04:58:25] <chris32> Is there some new option on firefox
about how it handles users' data that I am not aware of?
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615[04:59:04] <hanasaki> how can I setup a debian box so that
people can connect from another box and get a login screen as if
they are local?
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616[04:59:11] <dgriffi> blah!
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617[04:59:32] <gry> baribal, any good?
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619[04:59:36] <Papillon> sounds like something you can do with
x11 hanasaki
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621[04:59:55] <Papillon> although kvm or something
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622[05:00:00] <hanasaki> ofcourse... Papillon some instructions
would be icne
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623[05:00:02] <hanasaki> nicne
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624[05:00:08] <hanasaki> nice lol cannot type tonight
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628[05:01:11] <Papillon>
replaced-url
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629[05:01:31] <Papillon> although I think there are other better
wikis out there and there seems to be a lot of duplication of effort
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630[05:01:39] <Papillon> often it's a many to one problem
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631[05:01:49] <Papillon> sort of I guess
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633[05:02:38] <chris32> Papillon: could you help with my
question?
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634[05:03:38] <Papillon> sorry, look at the various information
sharing and privacy options in firefox, that's the best advice
I can give you
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639[05:04:34] <chris32> Papillon: thanks. it's ok, i will.
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640[05:04:54] <shadow1> Would anyone be able to help me
troubleshoot an issue with my laptop crashing about half the time it
goes into suspend? I'm all out of ideas and depend on this
laptop for class :(
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643[05:05:18] <orlock> chris32: It's probably more likely
your ISP is sniffing all of your traffic and selling it to marketing
agencies
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644[05:05:34] <Papillon> sometimes you can change what sleep
states your laptop goes into, choosing more conservative options
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645[05:05:35] <chris32> orlock: I have SSL
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646[05:05:41] <chris32> orlock: right now using the website
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647[05:05:49] <Papillon> choosing to only go into s1 sleep
state, or s2
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648[05:05:58] <Papillon> that can sometimes fix it
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651[05:06:10] <Texou> shadow1: what happens exactly?
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652[05:06:12] <shadow1> my suspicion is it could be my
intel/nvidia switchable graphics causing the issue
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653[05:06:24] <shadow1> but i dont see a way to disable the
nvidia graphics in the bios
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654[05:06:46] <shadow1> the screen goes dark, then turns back on
about a minute later
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655[05:06:53] <shadow1> with wifi disabled and every application
crashes
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656[05:07:04] <shadow1> system basically is cripped
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657[05:07:09] <shadow1> crippled*
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659[05:07:26] <Texou> shadow1: and the desktop is displayed?
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663[05:07:49] <shadow1> yes it'll go back to the desktop
after a few minutes but nothing works after it comes back from the
failed suspend
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665[05:08:10] <Texou> shadow1: an error? or just nothing runs?
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666[05:08:39] <shadow1> no errors, the system just locks up.
it's the strangest thing
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668[05:09:04] <Texou> shadow1: so desktop is displayed, but no
movement with mouse or keyboard possible?
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671[05:09:33] <shadow1> sometimes it will completely lock up,
even capslock wont work. sometimes i can click around and move
windows
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672[05:09:47] <Texou> hmm
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673[05:09:48] <shadow1> but applications act strange and
wireless is dead
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675[05:10:02] <shadow1> its like the system comes back from
sleep in a drunk state lol
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677[05:10:19] <Texou> shadow1: you should see if
.xsession-errors doesn't explicit some problems, or
/var/log/Xorg.log.0
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679[05:10:47] <Texou> what's your nvidia driver? free or
not?
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680[05:11:31] <shadow1> the free one
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681[05:11:45] <Texou> maybe try the proprietary one?
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682[05:12:05] <shadow1> i tried to install but i dont think it
supports switchable graphics
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683[05:12:12] <shadow1> just said i dont have an nvidia card
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684[05:12:20] <Texou> ?
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685[05:12:38] <shadow1> laptop has intel graphics but goes to
nvidia for 3d acceleration
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686[05:12:58] <Texou> oh... weird
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688[05:13:25] <Texou> well try having a look at logs if they
give info (probably they do)
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689[05:13:36] <Texou> ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.log
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690[05:13:39] <shadow1> ok
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692[05:13:59] <shadow1> it just happened so i should be able to
find something
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693[05:14:06] <Texou> sure
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694[05:14:19] <Texou> otherwise look at .old files related to
these logs
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711[05:24:07] <shadow1> i cant find any Xorg logs anywhere..
maybe its in a different place on stretch?
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713[05:24:15] <shadow1> this is what i got from
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719[05:27:33] <Texou> shadow1: in /var/log, nothing related to
Xorg?
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720[05:28:04] <shadow1> doesnt look like it, get nothing with
journalctl -e _COMM=Xorg either
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721[05:28:11] <shadow1> how strange
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723[05:28:40] <Texou> strange indeed
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724[05:28:45] <Texou> and ~/.xsession-errors?
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725[05:29:14] <shadow1> doesnt exist
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726[05:29:20] <SpaceAce> what's the name of the tool to
monitor changes to a directory?
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727[05:29:23] <SpaceAce> inotify or something
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728[05:29:41] <SpaceAce> i just need to move files as they come
into a dir
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729[05:30:00] <Texou> shadow1: very strange
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730[05:30:02] <SpaceAce> ah, inotifywait
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731[05:30:12] <Texou> shadow1: and your syslog?
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739[05:35:21] <olf-folks> hey guies has anyone here experince
with truble shoot debian sound issues, i have tried the things i
have found on the inet
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741[05:36:30] <olf-folks> such as adding myself to sound group
and trying to unmute via alsamixer and doing "aplay
/usr/share/audio/alsa/Test.wav etc
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744[05:39:37] <shadow1> Texou:
replaced-url
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745[05:40:07] <Texou> ok
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746[05:40:08] <olf-folks> lspci shows i have Cirrus Logic CS
4614/22/24/30 crystalclear soundfusion audio accelerator
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748[05:41:24] <shadow1> hmm Apr 2 17:45:02 latitude kernel:
[26064.670748] Freezing of tasks failed after 20.003 seconds (11
tasks refusing to freeze, wq_busy=0):
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749[05:42:27] <Texou> shadow1: indeed. not beautiful log :)
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751[05:45:14] <Texou> shadow1: things seem to be down with a
wifi issue
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752[05:45:33] <Texou> maybe disable wifi card?
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753[05:46:33] <shadow1> weird cuz sometimes it just goes to
sleep fine, other times it doesnt. doesnt seem to be any pattern
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754[05:46:52] <shadow1> even tried a bios update
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755[05:47:23] <Texou> shadow1: given this log, I'd try
disabling wifi first and see if it's always unstable
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756[05:47:55] <shadow1> i'll give it a shot. wonder why
intel would have open source video drivers but closed source wifi
drivers :S
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758[05:48:46] <Texou> oh wifi and motherboards may have
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768[06:00:03] <shadow1> thanks for your help :)
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853[07:11:04] <saulod2> yeah
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873[07:24:06] <darxmurf> hi all
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912[07:58:01] <vyadhaka> I am looking for some help with regex
syntax, I am trying to narrow down a list of invalid URLs, the
domain part should have at least one dot and not 2 or more
consecutive dots, it almost works with egrep -iv
'^(http|https)://(([a-z0-9-]+)(\.?))+[a-z0-9/-]$' but
it's not picking up
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929[08:11:56] <nkuttler> vyadhaka: #regex
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930[08:14:39] <buu> vyadhaka: good lord why
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933[08:15:53] <nkuttler> (why not a whitelist anyway)
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947[08:19:36] <vyadhaka> nkuttler: this is related to my studies
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948[08:20:58] <avar> Why is my time 'Mon Apr 3 09:20:25
CEST 2017' even though my timezone (sudo dpkg-reconfigure
tzdata) is Europe/Amsterdam, seems it's not getting the hint
about DST
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952[08:22:04] <nkuttler> avar: hwclock -r
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956[08:22:54] <avar> that's ~09:20
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957[08:23:07] <nkuttler> !set time
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958[08:23:07] <dpkg> To set the time on Debian systems, use date
--set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp>
to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match
time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the
correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>. see
systemd-timesyncd instead of installing ntp
replaced-url
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959[08:23:27] <nkuttler> avar: just install ntp
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960[08:23:28] <avar> `timedatectl status` shows ntp
enabled/synchronized..
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961[08:24:05] <nkuttler> wait..
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962[08:24:19] <nkuttler> avar: what was the output of
dpkg-reconfigure tzdata?
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965[08:25:15] <avar> Current default time zone:
'Europe/Amsterdam' / Local time is now: Mon Apr 3 09:24:31
CEST 2017. / Universal Time is now: Mon Apr 3 07:24:31 UTC 2017.
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966[08:25:18] <avar> so utc is also 1hr off..
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967[08:25:27] <nkuttler> yeah, install ntp
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969[08:26:45] <avar> I've got openntpd, it's in the
default conf of using [0-3].debian.pool.ntp.org
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972[08:28:06] <avar> but a manual 'sudo ntpdate
0.debian.pool.ntp.org' sets it correctly
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987[08:34:27] <avar> So I should have a working ntp, but
apparently it's doing nothing, but also I see I'm running
both systemd-timesyncd & openntpd
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1010[08:51:54] <choice> Hello! Where would you guys put
"company wide files" on a server? In /home/copanyname? In
/mnt/companyname/? In /var/companyname/?
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1016[08:56:00] <coke>
/usr/local/opt/mnt/country/province/company/data/.important/ seams
to be where people usually put the important stuff
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1019[08:56:56] * zykotick9 thinks /src is a lot shorter path to type...
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1020[08:57:05] <zykotick9> s/src/srv/
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1025[08:59:20] <choice> Interesting. I never heard of /srv/.
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1026[08:59:25] <choice> Since we already use /home/ (for the
users home dirs) I tend to go with /home/. So our stuff is less
spread out around the filesystem.
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1042[09:05:55] <cef> I use /srv a lot, but mainly in relation to
files I want to serve (apache, nginx, samba, nfs, etc) out of a
machine.
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1047[09:09:09] <cef> But I'll create a dir under /srv for
said application (eg: /srv/replaced-url
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1071[09:27:40] <nkuttler> another vote for /srv
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1072[09:27:47] <suexec> In the nvidia control panel, you can
adjust brightness, contrast etc etc. Is it possible to make the same
adjustments via console commands? (I.e I would like to make a script
with one set of settings, then another script for other settings so
I can quickly change between settings)
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1080[09:31:29] <buu> suexec: did you look at the cli argument
list?
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1085[09:33:09] <suexec> buu, nope
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1088[09:33:37] <buu> oh
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1092[09:35:14] <suexec> buu, I guess the -a attribute could be
applied
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1097[09:38:15] <suexec> buu, yep. Found the solution. Thanks ! :)
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1116[09:47:16] <discovered> which iso i need to download if i
don't want any GUI ?
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1118[09:47:27] <tx> minimal / netinstall
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1121[09:50:15] <discovered> tx, will it start installing from
remote server? I just need to run some text based software
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1122[09:50:32] <discovered> like apache,ftp etc
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1123[09:50:37] <tx> by itself, you mean?
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1125[09:50:51] <tx> what do you mean by "start
installing"
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1129[09:51:01] <discovered> tx, yes
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1131[09:51:24] <tx> you can mount that ISO on a remote server /
attach it
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1132[09:51:31] <tx> and follow the prompts to install it on a
hard drive
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1133[09:51:38] <tx> via a console
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1136[09:52:17] <discovered> i will install it on vm to see how it
works
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1141[09:53:10] <discovered> I just need to use only web server
,ssh and ftp in that minimal system. No gui(gnome/kde) is required
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1144[09:54:03] <mender27> Morning.
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1148[09:55:51] <discovered> should i download stretch version?
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1150[09:56:03] <tx> download stable
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1151[09:56:08] <mender27> discovered: what do you intend to do?
:)
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1153[09:56:26] <jelly> discovered: stretch is not ready yet
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1154[09:56:28] <tx> a web server + ftp
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1155[09:56:33] <tx> so, stable
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1156[09:56:39] <tx> after all, this channel is for stable only
anyway ;)
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1157[09:56:40] <mender27> yup, agreed. stable, totally.
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1158[09:56:51] <mender27> tx: I thought it's for all things
Debian :(.
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1159[09:57:02] <tx> Nope, annoyingly that's on a whole other
network.
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1161[09:57:46] <discovered> when this stretch going to be
release?
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1162[09:57:51] <jelly> !wwsr
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1163[09:57:51] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get
distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably
release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in
stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about
<stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
replaced-url
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1167[10:00:04] <mender27> jelly: thanks for the heads-up!
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1168[10:00:44] <mender27> Yeah, quite some bugs in Stretch still.
Even per firefox-esr.
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1172[10:02:05] <discovered> I want to run that minimal server in
vm. KVM is the right choice?
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1175[10:02:48] <tx> sure thing
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1176[10:03:00] <mender27> seconded.
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1178[10:04:55] <mender27> also, there is no set release date for
Stable Stretch just yet. At least, according to the Debian Releases
webpage.
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1182[10:09:40] <Papillon> but it's frozen?
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1185[10:10:25] <mender27> No, I just got updates today morning.
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1186[10:10:50] <tx> it's frozen
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1187[10:10:56] <Papillon> debian streth froz
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1188[10:10:58] <Papillon> stretch
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1189[10:10:59] <tx> but some of the ice is still warm, so last
minute updates (that aren't big)
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1191[10:11:00] <tx> can be included
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1192[10:11:07] <Papillon> I think I can guess the next two
letters
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1193[10:11:15] <mender27> oh, okay, sorry for the confusion.
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1195[10:11:48] <petn-randall> Stretch is frozen. If you got
updates, they're to fix some RC bugs. Also, there will be no
release date, it will be anounced at most a few days before. The
usual release date is "when it's ready".
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1199[10:13:12] <Papillon> packaging seems like one big hassle
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1200[10:13:56] <mender27> petn-randall: thanks for the
clarification :).
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1201[10:14:25] <mender27> I think I need to get to Debian
packaging at one point, hehe...
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1202[10:14:27] <Papillon> there has to be a better way
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1203[10:14:51] <Papillon> so much duplication of work
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1207[10:15:37] <mender27> Papillon: well, if you automate it,
then not so much :).
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1239[10:32:04] <slax0r> hello, I'm trying to downgrade some
packages on wheezy from squeeze, and get that release file is
expired, when I try to apt-get install, anyway to ignore that error
and proceed with installation?
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1244[10:33:26] <nkuttler> slax0r: well, neither downgrading nor
squeeze is supported.. but just download and dpkg -i them?
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1247[10:34:05] <slax0r> fg
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1248[10:34:07] <slax0r> err
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1250[10:34:33] <tx> yeah fg for sure.
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1255[10:35:48] <slax0r> nkuttler: yeah, could do that as well
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1256[10:36:04] <slax0r> I just need a running vm with some old
packages for some legacy support task
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1258[10:36:53] <tx> I'd use something lighter like docker
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1259[10:37:02] <tx> depends on how old it is I guess ;)
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1260[10:37:04] <petn-randall> !squeeze-lts
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1261[10:37:04] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for
Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set
of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your
sources.list is «deb
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1262[10:37:08] <petn-randall> slax0r: ^^^
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1266[10:38:48] <slax0r> tx: I do, I just wanted to use the
official debian image, and the oldest there is wheezy, hence
I'd need to downgrade :)
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1267[10:38:55] <slax0r> guess I'm taking the different route
:)
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1268[10:39:46] <slax0r> petn-randall: I'm using that one,
but hence "ended on 2016-02-29"
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1285[10:46:35] <petn-randall> slax0r:
replaced-url
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1286[10:46:39] <petn-randall> slax0r: "To access snapshots
of suites using Valid-Until that are older than a dozen days, it is
necessary to ignore the Valid-Until header within Release files, in
order to prevent apt from disregarding snapshot entries
("Release file expired"). Use aptitude -o
Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update or apt-get -o
Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update for this purpose."
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1366[11:16:03] <dfgh> I just installed stable minimal and then
changed the sources to sid and dist-upgraded. Everything went fine
and I installed kde and a few others like network-manager. After
rebooting, I get the sddm login screen but the keyboard doesn't
work. The mouse works fine, but I can't type a password to
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1367[11:16:44] <dfgh> I restarted into recovery mode to check if
I was missing anything, I installed xserver-xorg-input-kbd but till
the keyboard isn't working in sddm.
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1383[11:21:23] <dfgh> Alright, it seems kde-plasma-desktop
doesn't install xserver-xorg-input-libinput in sid, after
installing that the keyboard now works in sddm.
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1384[11:21:33] <tx> yay
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1385[11:21:34] <zh1> get this error on flash player update
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1388[11:22:07] <zafu> hi, suddenly my X has now the wrong
keyboard layout, where/how do I correct that?
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1390[11:22:52] <tx> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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1393[11:24:09] <zafu> tx: :) thanks
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1394[11:24:13] <tx> np
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1404[11:31:18] <BigBlackManOnPCP> hi all
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1407[11:33:15] <linuxthefish> hi, when running
"synaptic-pkexec" i get the error "Another synaptic
is running. Trying to bring it to the foreground" but another
one isn't running
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1413[11:34:29] <linuxthefish> ah nvm fixed it
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1416[11:35:24] <d3xter> hey guys, i'm trying to compile a
c-project and during configure i get "/configure: line 13504:
syntax error near unexpected token `FAKEKEY,', where do i have
to look for that syntax error?
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1417[11:35:57] <mender27> d3xter: at the line it points to?
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1418[11:35:57] <d3xter> oh nvm ^^
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1420[11:36:08] <d3xter> i was looking at configure.ac not
configure :(
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1421[11:36:17] <mender27> :D.
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1423[11:37:38] <d3xter> mender27: is it correct, that autoconf
creates the "configure" file?
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1458[11:51:30] <mender27> d3xter: this I don't know, sorry.
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1461[11:52:41] <Megaf> Good morning folks
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1462[11:52:46] <Megaf> mender27, what's his question?
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1463[11:53:32] <mender27> d3xter: this might be helpful to you:
replaced-url
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1466[11:56:05] <mender27> d3xter: honestly, the document I linked
is a good introduction to the GNU Make tool and I might read it more
thoroughly, too :).
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1467[11:56:40] <d3xter> mender27: i was just wondering when
"configure" gets created automatically, how syntax errors
can occur ^^ will take a look. thanks
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1470[11:59:19] <moldy> d3xter: this is likely a bug in the
project you're trying to compile
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1471[11:59:36] <moldy> d3xter: either that or a missing
dependency on your system
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1474[12:01:42] <mender27> d3xter: if FAKEKEY is a
"#define" from some header, you might be missing a
library.
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1476[12:03:35] <moldy> basically, double-check the build docs for
that project, and if that doesn't help, report a bug to them
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1483[12:06:51] <phi_> how are you dealing with chromium disabled
extensions in stretch?
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1485[12:07:47] <d3xter> moldy: build docs are "run the usual
route ./configure make and make install" ^^
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1486[12:08:13] <d3xter> i'll get in touch with the
developers. thanks for your help
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1493[12:11:03] <jguillen> Hello everyone, a simple question for
me, maybe you can help. Im btw using debian jessie. I would like to
create a private network with a static IP for my homelab, but also
would like to have another ethernet connection in case I connect via
cable at work and use DHCP. Any hint about this ?
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1496[12:12:53] <FinalX> jguillen: would be easier to make your
private network also do dhcp, and make it assign the same ip to the
same hardware address (mac/ethernet address) every time
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1501[12:13:41] <FinalX> combining the two in the old fashioned
/etc/network/interfaces way is pretty impossible. maybe use
something like network manager instead, then. but even so,
wouldn't recommend that.
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1517[12:27:50] <d3xter> so i think i've found a bug inside
iceweasel :( matchbox-keyboard should pop-up when focusing a
password field. its working fine in chromium, but not in iceweasel
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1528[12:32:58] <kryl> hi, is it possible actually to update
jessie kernel without rebooting ? I guess kpatch will be released in
next version of debian ?
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1539[12:37:26] <kryl> what about ksplice in debian ?
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1545[12:38:40] <backtrack> Does the Linux kernel have NSA
backdoor?
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1551[12:41:20] <coke> only after you ask about the nsa on the
internet
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1552[12:41:42] <zh1> backtrack, ask nsa.gov and tell us
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1554[12:43:30] <sine0> silly question maybe, but does having a
GPU on a headless server help for remote desktop
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1578[13:00:10] <ppf> hi folks
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1579[13:00:47] <ppf> on a debian 8 production machine, someone
installed a couple of packages from sid (of course including libc)
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1580[13:01:06] <ppf> after removing the apt source, what's
the quickest way to downgrade all the wrong-versioned packages?
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1594[13:05:54] <moldy> ppf: there is no supported way, afaik
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1602[13:06:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
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1603[13:07:06] <moldy> ppf: that said, you can try `apt-get
dist-upgrade`, but be prepared for all kinds of breakage. have
backups and a way to access the system in case it fails to boot.
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1607[13:08:02] <ppf> moldy: dist-upgrade only goes into the
forward direction. it doesn't downgrade
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1608[13:08:07] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: Pretty sure a reinstall is going
to be your only option here that ensures a properly functioning
system going forward.
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1609[13:08:26] <ppf> c1a551f1ed: why's that?
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1612[13:08:55] <TomTomTosch> ppf: start by poking the guy with
sharp sticks. then you can look at the damage using aptitude search
'?narrow(?installed, ?archive(unstable))'
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1613[13:09:03] <moldy> ppf: 100% sure? i remember differently
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1615[13:09:17] <ppf> i can more or less list all the packages
that deviate from the distribution version and xarg that into an apt
install, but is there a nicer way?
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1616[13:09:26] <c1a551f1ed> ppf:
replaced-url
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1618[13:09:30] <TomTomTosch> ppf: you can try downgrading the
packages manually but it will be painful and might fail.
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1620[13:09:46] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: Might hand the guy that entire
page, honestly.
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1622[13:10:33] <ppf> c1a551f1ed: The guy isn't here anymore
:)
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1623[13:10:38] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: Even better. :D
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1626[13:11:29] <ppf> anyways, he was pretty savvy, so
there's a miniscule chance that this was intentional and for
good reason
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1628[13:11:37] <ppf> TomTomTosch: what might fail and why?
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1636[13:13:30] <TomTomTosch> because downgrading is not tested or
supported.
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1637[13:13:52] <BluesKaj> I was surprised to see jodi crashing on
my intel gpu laptop after insalling it last night, the crash log
didn't give any clues
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1639[13:14:03] <BluesKaj> kodi rather
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1640[13:14:23] <mender27> afaik, downgrading can be done, but may
result in breakage due to wrong dependency versions.
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1642[13:14:50] <ppf> TomTomTosch: the system wasn't really
_upgraded_, i've just got a couple of packages with wrong
versions lying around
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1643[13:14:56] <ppf> 'just'
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1645[13:15:18] <mender27> ppf: if you know those specific
packages and they're a handful, you might be successful.
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1649[13:15:37] <ppf> i mean, package versions are rather atomic,
there's nothing specific about going from one version to
another, right?
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1650[13:15:48] <c1a551f1ed> Dependencies.
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1652[13:16:13] <c1a551f1ed> And libc was included in this mess,
as you said.
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1653[13:16:14] <ppf> c1a551f1ed: yes, i'll be downgrading
those transtively, of course
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1654[13:16:35] <mender27> Yes, the dependencies are likely to
break due to the way Debian often specifies them (version X <
package < version Y).
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1656[13:16:57] <ppf> right now i'm thinking i might just
downgrade libc6 and pick up the pieces
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1657[13:17:24] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: You get to keep all of them.
I've noticed that you came in here asking for help and advice,
but are rejecting everything you're being given because you
don't believe it's that serious. I wish you good luck.
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1658[13:17:53] <ppf> c1a551f1ed: i'm not rejecting anything,
and I appreciate your advice
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1662[13:18:18] <mender27> changing libc is a sure no-go. should
never be done to a Stable install :(.
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1664[13:18:35] <ppf> well, technically i'm rejecting the
"don't" and "it's hard" advice :)
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1665[13:18:40] <ppf> mender27: i'm aware :(
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1668[13:18:57] <petn-randall> ppf: Restore from backups. Or
reinstall. There's really no other sane option.
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1669[13:19:08] <c1a551f1ed> Installing sid packages on stable
should never be done, period. We even have a page called
"Don't Break Debian," where that exact thing is the
first topic discussed.
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1670[13:19:18] <petn-randall> ppf: Take the advice from someone
who actually tried downgrading libc6 once.
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1672[13:20:15] <ppf> c1a551f1ed: granted, but i'm past that
point here ;)
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1673[13:20:37] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: Your answer is a rebuild of the
system.
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1674[13:20:48] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: And bamboo under the guy's
toenails for your trouble.
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1677[13:21:33] <ppf> petn-randall: what is the problem with
listing all the wrong-versioned packages and reinstalling all of
them?
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1679[13:22:36] <ppf> (i'm seriously asking for the most
likely, conrete failure i'll encounted)
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1681[13:22:45] <ppf> *concrete
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1689[13:25:30] <ppf> fwiw there's two reasons i'm
considering this, a) it's not my machine. I have no idea when
the system went downhill, and if there are sufficiently recent
backups. b) the machine isn't running my services, so if i
reinstall it, other people need to set up these services and i
don't have faith in their abilities
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1692[13:26:43] <ppf> so trying to save the machine as it is looks
like a viable option to me :)
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1695[13:27:45] <David_Hedlund> How do I make .deb of
/lib/systemd/system/socket.service and /bin/vlc?
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1696[13:28:17] <ppf> David_Hedlund:
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1698[13:28:30] <petn-randall> ppf: If you downgrade libc6,
apt/dpkg might stop working mid-downgrade. Permanently. Amongst many
other services. But if you don't have recent backups, you have
way larger problems.
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1702[13:28:59] <petn-randall> ppf: I just ended up reinstalling
and migrating the data from the old installation to the new one.
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1703[13:29:20] <dgriffi> when I started fiddling around with the
lack of libjasper, I thought it was a shame...
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1704[13:29:37] <dgriffi> now I'm trying to build the damn
thing myself and I'm screaming at the author
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1705[13:29:48] <dgriffi> how the hell is someone supposed to get
this thing build?
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1706[13:30:05] <moldy> ppf: it's very likely that
reinstalling is signifcantly less work *right now*, and even more
likely it's less work in the long run
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1707[13:30:14] <dgriffi> good riddance! I'm switching all of
my code to using openjpeg instead of jasper.
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1708[13:31:00] <ppf> dgriffi: what's so hard about it?
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1709[13:31:26] <ppf> moldy: that's precisely what i want to
find out right now
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1711[13:31:34] <dgriffi> ppf: the author uses cmake in funny ways
such that a simple mkdir build; cmake ../ doesn't work
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1714[13:31:56] <dgriffi> ppf: and it fails to find the glut.h
headers
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1715[13:32:37] <dgriffi> I just need to get it compiled so I can
port my code away from it
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1716[13:33:21] <ppf> dgriffi: works fine for me. you do realise
that there's a build/ directory in the source tree already?
maybe pick a different one
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1717[13:33:51] <ppf> petn-randall: apt isn't linked
statically? M(
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1718[13:34:07] <dgriffi> ppf: no dice
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1719[13:35:14] <dgriffi>
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1723[13:36:52] <ppf> petn-randall: sid's apt depends on a
lesser version of libc6 than the one shipped with stable
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1732[13:40:54] <petn-randall> ppf: Let's not waste each
other's time then. Try it and see.
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1739[13:45:02] <jelly> ppf: if you haven't been pointed to
it yet, /msg dpkg partial downgrade
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1740[13:45:37] <jelly> ppf: before that, make a
backup/snapshot/w/e of the machine as it is right now
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1741[13:46:02] <ppf> jelly: will do, thanks
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1744[13:48:47] <mender27> dgriffi: I'm confused. It found
glut.h in GL/glut.h. Why is it looking further and crashing?
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1759[13:56:49] <serrano> Hello. Can anyone tell me the meaning of
"+b1" in "aptly_0.9.7-1+b1_amd64.deb"?
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1763[13:57:34] <petn-randall> serrano: It usually means it got
recompiled due to some updates of underlying libraries. If in doubt,
you can check the changelogs in
/usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz
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1767[13:59:24] <serrano> petn-randall: ok, thanks
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1772[14:01:07] <TwistedFate> If I want to switch from stable to
testing, I will only use 1 mirror in sources.list right?
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1773[14:01:14] <TwistedFate> As testing and unstable dont get
updates?
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1775[14:01:53] <TwistedFate> jessie-security and jessie-updates
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1789[14:09:52] <abrotman> well, I guess he didn't want the
actual answer ..
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1793[14:11:04] <arlecchino> for what is this channel ?
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1795[14:11:22] <mender27> For Debian Stable support
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1797[14:11:50] <petn-randall> arlecchino: You're still in
the wrong channel.
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1798[14:11:55] <petn-randall> !parrot
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1799[14:11:55] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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1800[14:12:00] <petn-randall> arlecchino: Try this one. ^^^
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1801[14:12:47] <arlecchino> 1
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1803[14:13:00] <arlecchino> but
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1804[14:13:04] <arlecchino> i cant find parros
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1806[14:13:10] <arlecchino> parrot os channel
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1807[14:13:30] <coke> not like its mentioned in that long line
dpkg said
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1809[14:13:41] <petn-randall> arlecchino: You need to connect to
the right network. Read dpkg's message again.
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1818[14:20:03] <Megaf> Folks, any idea how can I swap two keys on
my keyboard for the whole system?
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1819[14:20:21] <Megaf> I want to swap super for alt
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1820[14:20:36] <mender27> Megaf: check out xkbd
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1822[14:21:28] <mender27> Megaf: ah, sorry, it's called
xkeyboard.
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1823[14:22:02] <mender27> With it you can set custom keybinding
within you .xinitrc that will be later used by the X11 session.
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1825[14:22:51] <Megaf> cool
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1832[14:26:21] <coke> let me guess cmd and alt :p
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1837[14:26:49] <boser> hello, i have problem in firefox. after
some minutes, the menues in the menue-bars are not showing, it
indicator is only a black box. can you help me, please. it is Jessie
with the newes software on.
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1841[14:29:41] <mender27> boser: what do you mean by "newes
software on"? Do you mean backports?
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1846[14:33:36] <kryl_> hi, is it possible actually to update
jessie kernel without rebooting ? I guess kpatch will be released in
next version of debian ?
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1847[14:34:29] <mender27> kryl_: it really depends what do you
want to do specifically.
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1849[14:35:14] <mender27> kryl_: don't think everything can
be hot-patched.
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1853[14:36:45] <kryl_> mender27, look at ksplice / oracle project
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1854[14:36:56] <kryl_> it's still available for ubuntu but
not sure for debian
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1856[14:37:12] <boser> mender27: no, all updates are made.
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1857[14:37:23] <baribal> gry, I suddenly noticed that it was 4am
already, and dropped into bed. I've just restarted the computer
in question and am reinstalling.
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1858[14:37:27] <kryl_> there is a packet in jessie but not sure
if it works that's why I'm asking there
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1864[14:39:06] <boser> and i also get not contect-nenue, if i use
the right mouse-button.
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1865[14:39:14] <boser> on a desktop
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1867[14:40:12] <teraflops> boser: are you using a gtk dark theme
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1868[14:40:24] <teraflops> gtk3 actually
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1870[14:40:37] <boser> my desjktop is the cinnemon.
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1871[14:41:00] <boser> desktop
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1873[14:41:16] <boser> an the other configuration is standard.
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1874[14:41:17] <teraflops> ok, but are you using gtk dark theme
or a custom one?^
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1876[14:41:49] <mender27> kryl_: if it's in Jessie it should
be functional, right?
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1877[14:42:09] <teraflops> boser: jessie or testing/sid?
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1878[14:42:26] <boser> f*, i can not open a consol/terminal. it
is also a black hole box.
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1879[14:42:42] <boser> normal jessie.
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1880[14:43:03] <teraflops> boser: did you reboot after doing the
upgrade? or at least restarted cinnamon?
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1881[14:44:20] <boser> not. but the problem was befor the update
also.
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1894[14:48:35] <teraflops> boser: maybe launching ff from a
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1920[15:04:50] <sine0> silly question maybe, but does having a
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1932[15:10:15] <mender27> sine0: it's not a silly question
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1935[15:11:59] <mender27> sine0: ah dread, I cannot find the
source now, but I recommend reading the manpage fomr xenocara on
OpenBSD.
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1939[15:13:40] <mender27> sine0: in principle, you could do the
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1961[15:23:07] <baribal> HAH! I _knew_ it wouldn't be so
easy! Okay, I did a clean install of Jessie, no graphical interface
by default. I installed xdm, notion and dunst, then rebooted. I
landed on the console; no X up by default, no xdm to be seen. So,
step 1, how do I make xdm start by default? As I understand, these
days Debian uses systemd? So... Where do I start reading?
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1971[15:26:22] <teraflops> baribal: update-alternatives --config
default-display-manager
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1973[15:27:03] <petn-randall> baribal: Debugging is not much
different from before. Check in /var/log/daemon.log and other files
for info why it didn't start. 'systemctl' will give
you an overview of services that were started, failed ones will be
shown in red.
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1977[15:27:36] <baribal> update-alternatives: error: no
alternatives for default-display-manager
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1978[15:28:11] <nkuttler> baribal: xdm should start by default,
if you have no other dm installed. can you startx?
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1984[15:29:40] <baribal> Let me guess... The xserver itself is
not among the dependencies?
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1987[15:30:28] <TimurTheLame> baribal, it's in the xinit
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1989[15:30:49] <TimurTheLame> baribal, tip: you can use apt-file
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1990[15:31:17] <baribal> Yup, no xinit installed; one moment...
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2005[15:35:17] <baribal> startx starts the X server, dropping me
into a session of notion; not xdm. `update-alternatives --config
default-display-manager` still gives me `update-alternatives: error:
no alternatives for default-display-manager`
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2008[15:37:02] <nkuttler> baribal: cat
/etc/X11/default-display-manager ?
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2012[15:38:25] <dgriffi> mender27: my best guess is that
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2018[15:40:55] <baribal> ...aaaand a reboot dropped me into what
looks like it could be xdm...
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2020[15:42:00] <baribal> Yup, and I can log in and get a notion
session. Moral of the story: "Just install xinit, dummy!"
Thanks, *
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2045[15:47:55] <dgriffi> does anyone here know autoconf? I
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2048[15:48:03] <dgriffi> and google isn't telling me
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2049[15:48:05] <dgriffi> useful
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2061[15:52:22] <Chrismeister> Hello, I'm searching for a
application that lets me graphically add texts and lines to a pdf
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2062[15:52:29] <Chrismeister> Like Adobe Acrobat
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2079[15:58:17] <imMute> I wonder how many people actually
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2081[15:58:28] <jelly> dgriffi: I don't remember much about
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2090[16:00:12] <dgriffi> jelly: I cannot find anything
documenting how to do anything with confdefs.h besides lots of
mysterious build errors.
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2091[16:00:40] <dgriffi> err... google says nothing about
confdefs.h except reports of build failures
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2097[16:01:47] <j4ckcom> bash: curl: command not found.
<— what’s wrong?
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2099[16:02:01] <kuhno> i tried to install debian from the
8.7.1-netinst image, but i tells my GRUB failed to install (told it
to use the whole disk as crypto-LVM as / on a NVMe-SSD) without any
further information. How can I get more debug info?
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2100[16:02:17] <jelly> dgriffi: is there a conftest.ac ?
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2101[16:02:20] <serrano> j4ckcom: `apt-get install curl`?
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2102[16:02:28] <j4ckcom> thanks
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2104[16:03:06] <dgriffi> jelly: what's that supposed to do?
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2107[16:03:47] <jelly> dgriffi: judging by contents of some
random source "configure" file, it's what confdefs.h
gets generated from
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2113[16:04:48] <dgriffi> jelly: I have two source trees that have
somehow generated confdefs.h. neither of them have any sort of
conftest.ac file
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2117[16:05:48] <jelly> dgriffi: ookay... so you do have
confdefs.h, but part of build process fails to find or use it?
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2120[16:06:32] <jelly> dgriffi: did you manage to recreate top
level configure by now?
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2121[16:06:39] <dgriffi> jelly: I can do that.
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2122[16:07:12] <dgriffi> jelly: I discovered about confdefs.h as
the place where stuff like PACKAGE_NAME and PREFIX get defined in
such a way to be accessable to the program
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2123[16:07:52] <jelly> right. And just before adding those to the
file, ./configure is apparently supposed to create it... $as_echo
"/* confdefs.h */" > confdefs.h
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2125[16:08:05] <dgriffi> jelly: at the end of config.log is a
section indicating the contents of confdefs.h... but that file is
never created
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2127[16:08:45] <dgriffi> jelly: I see it too... code to create
confdefs.h... no idea how to cause that code to execute
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2128[16:08:51] <jelly> dgriffi: do you have anything similar to
^^ in your generated configure?
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2130[16:09:14] <dgriffi> jelly: "similar to ^^" ?syntax
error
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2132[16:09:59] <jelly> similar to ... echo "/* confdefs.h
*/" > confdefs.h
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2133[16:10:10] <jelly> "the above"
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2139[16:14:06] <dgriffi> jelly: yes. those are in my generated
configure script
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2146[16:16:33] <baribal> ...and I'm back. So I tried locking
my screen, and ~/.xsession-errors says that xlock couldn't be
found; nor could I find a package for it. Okay, that's weird
and constitutes question 1. Question 2 is: What thing do I have to
`update-alternatives --config $THING` to set my default screen
locker, and question 3 is, so that I don't sound like an idiot,
what's the proper name for what I called `thing` here?
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2149[16:18:03] <jhutchins_wk> apt-file can tell you what package
provides a file. Install it and update, then search.
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2150[16:18:28] <petn-randall> baribal: Install
'command-not-found', and it will tell you which package to
install when a executable is not installed. Or jhutchins_wk's
way.
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2156[16:19:38] <jhutchins_wk> baribal: For a list of alternatives
settings, try ls /etc/alternatives
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2160[16:20:32] <jelly> dgriffi: that's something. Does a
"make clean" followed by "./configure ..." not
create that confdefs.h?
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2162[16:20:50] <jhutchins_wk> baribal: I don't think
xlock/xscreensaver are managed as alternatives.
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2164[16:21:05] <arlecchino> a way to format a bootable stick
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2165[16:21:06] <arlecchino> ?
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2166[16:21:13] <arlecchino> on debian
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2167[16:21:20] <dgriffi> jelly: nope
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2168[16:21:33] <dgriffi> arlecchino: do you want it writable?
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2169[16:21:35] <petn-randall> arlecchino: You're still using
Parrot OS. Ask in their channel.
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2170[16:21:46] <arlecchino> i cant find Parros os
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2171[16:21:51] <petn-randall> arlecchino: You won't get
support for Parrot OS in here.
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2173[16:21:55] <c1a551f1ed> arlecchino: That doesn't make
Parrot on topic here.
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2174[16:21:57] <arlecchino> but is debian
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2176[16:22:01] <c1a551f1ed> !tell arlecchino -about parrot
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2177[16:22:10] <arlecchino> !parrot
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2178[16:22:10] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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2180[16:22:17] <arlecchino> -about parrot
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2181[16:22:27] <c1a551f1ed> "is not supported in
#debian"
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2182[16:22:34] <arlecchino> meh
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2187[16:22:45] <arlecchino> this system dont have a irc client
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2188[16:22:50] <arlecchino> channel*
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2189[16:23:27] <c1a551f1ed> Not on Freenode. You're on the
wrong network, as you've been told.
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2191[16:23:39] <arlecchino> i find in channel list
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2192[16:23:43] <petn-randall> arlecchino: We told you on this
channel, and the other Debian channel that you need to join the
other network.
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2195[16:24:05] <arlecchino> but parrot
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2196[16:24:08] <arlecchino> not are
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2197[16:24:13] <jelly> arlecchino: you can probably install one,
eg. irssi, then connect to irc.frozenbox.org server
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2198[16:24:21] <arlecchino> meh ok
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2212[16:28:34] <dgriffi> jelly: poking around in
/usr/lib/autoconf/lang.m4, I see that something like
AC_LANG_CONFTEST has something to do with what I want, but it wants
more... so I do it, but it doesn't see that.
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2325[17:11:50] <MikeDebian> Hello all. I'm trying to boot
debian 8.7 / 8.5 installers from a USB pen drive on a Dell Server
T30. The uefi system doesn't recognize the pen and thus it
won't boot
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2327[17:12:40] <MikeDebian> I already tried different pens, same
result. these same pens work in other dell machines
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2329[17:13:03] <MikeDebian> also booted debian from an external
hard drive and the system can mount those pens
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2330[17:13:05] <petn-randall> MikeDebian: How did you prepare the
USB sticks?
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2331[17:13:32] <MikeDebian> the way I did with all the others
which allowed me 2 install debian on 2 machines so far. on a dell
laptop and on a dell server T20
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2333[17:13:43] <MikeDebian> mkfs.vfat /dev/XXX
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2334[17:13:46] <MikeDebian> to format it
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2335[17:13:51] <MikeDebian> cp debian.iso /dev/XXX
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2337[17:13:52] <MikeDebian> sync
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2338[17:14:56] <MikeDebian> these same pens I'm trying to
use on the T30 can perfectly boot into the debian installer from my
dell laptop
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2341[17:16:34] <jelly> MikeDebian: what was the exact /dev/XXX
used?
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2342[17:16:47] <jelly> (also, there's no need to format it
beforehand)
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2344[17:17:22] <MikeDebian> /dev/sdb1 as it was assigned
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2345[17:17:34] <jelly> MikeDebian: it ought to have been /dev/sdb
not /dev/sdb1
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2346[17:17:47] <Renari> So apparently I screwed up my kernel or
my filesystem in some way, and I'm looking for help repairing
it. I'd be willing to throw a few dollars someones way for help
since I don't know what I'm doing.
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2349[17:18:17] <zykotick9> MikeDebian: also, note the Debian Live
images don't support UEFI...
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2353[17:20:43] <MikeDebian> on the previous machines I installed
it on uefi mode
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2354[17:20:45] <Renari> It's worth mentioning that when I
boot the system it says there are feature incompatibilities mounting
sda2 and sda3, I tried reinstalling the kernel using chroot on a
live cd but it seems the kernal installed in sda1 was the newest.
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2356[17:21:07] <Renari> So I'm not sure what my problem is.
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2357[17:21:14] <jelly> Renari: which debian release are you
supposed to be running?
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2358[17:21:24] <Renari> It was on debian unstable.
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2359[17:21:33] <Renari> Uh jessie that is.
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2360[17:21:39] <jelly> yeaaaaaah.
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2362[17:22:10] <Renari> What happened was I tried to install
chromium, and during the installation it asked me about doing
something stupid, and I put faith in the chroimum install script.
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2363[17:22:27] <Renari> Seems it removed or replaced some stuff
that I really shouldn't have and now the system doesn't
boot.
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2364[17:22:30] <jelly> Renari: okay, boot some livecd, then
pastebin the output of "lsblk" and "blkid" for a
start
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2367[17:23:08] <MikeDebian> I've already burnt the iso to
sdb and not sdb1. lets see if that stupid mistake solves the issue
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2369[17:24:19] <MikeDebian> well it does solve it :) already
booted from the usb stick. Thank you jelly
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2371[17:24:25] <jelly> cheers
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2372[17:24:38] <jelly> dpkg, tell Renari2 about paste
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2376[17:26:08] <Renari2> jelly:
replaced-url
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2381[17:27:03] <petn-randall> MikeDebian: I'm actually
surprised the other machines could boot from the ISO being on
/dev/sdb1. Guess I didn't know that Dell machines have this
feature.
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2386[17:27:40] <MikeDebian> petn-randall, honestly I guess I
haven't done that mistake when burning the iso into the pen for
the other machines
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2387[17:27:48] <MikeDebian> but can't really remember.. not
sure
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2390[17:28:38] <jelly> Renari2: looks like /dev/sda1 is your
linux installation, mount it, chroot into that mountpoint, then
pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and
"lsb_release -a"
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2396[17:31:11] <Renari2> jelly:
replaced-url
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2407[17:35:26] <Renari2> jelly: if you'd like I can open a
remote desktop session using anydesk
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2413[17:37:48] <c1a551f1ed> I think jelly charges for that.
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2415[17:38:16] <Renari2> That's fine, I already said when I
joined that I'd be willing to pay someone to get this fixed.
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2431[17:46:08] <jhutchins_wk> Renari2: The general idea here is
that we help you learn to take care of the problems yourself.
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2434[17:46:39] <jhutchins_wk> Renari2: We encourage you to be
involved and take ownership of the work.
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2435[17:47:13] <dgriffi> what was the last distro to include QT3?
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2440[17:49:49] <Walakea> openscenegraph-doc/jessie seems to have
no content on their html pages
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2453[17:55:29] <jelly> Renari: looks like you installed a number
of packages from sid into that previously jessie system
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2459[17:57:56] <Renari2> jelly: yes, at one point I had issues
with outdated compilers preventing me from running things I needed
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2461[17:58:32] <Renari2> I just installed
linux-image-4.9.0-2-amd64:amd64, hoping this helps.
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2463[17:58:51] <jelly> Renari2: look at the contents of
/var/log/apt/; pastebin the latest non-empty log (zcat blah.gz if
it's compressed)
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2464[17:58:55] <jelly> logs*
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2466[17:59:14] <jelly> (both history.log and term.log latest)
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2470[18:01:07] <Renari2> jelly:
replaced-url
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2473[18:01:59] <jelly> so you basically attempted to do a release
upgrade to sid
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2475[18:02:20] <Renari2> o-oh
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2482[18:03:26] <jelly> Renari2: lines starting with Remove: say
you accepted apt's proposal of removing many interesting
packages
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2488[18:04:49] <Renari2> Yes, specifically the chromium install
line removed a ton of packages that shouldn't have been
removed.
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2498[18:09:07] <jhutchins_wk> Once again, Squirrelmail's
send button sends but does not refresh the page. Recovered
spontaneously on Friday.
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2499[18:09:19] <Walakea> are the documentation html files
provided by jessie package openscenegraph-doc supposed to be blank
with only header visible? i don't think so
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2500[18:09:28] <jelly> Renari2: reinstall what you think is
important from that list. If you're using gnome, perhaps
starting with task-gnome-desktop
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2503[18:10:09] <Renari2> jelly: I was using cinnamon, I actually
noticed that was missing before attempting to reboot and reinstalled
that already.
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2504[18:10:35] <jelly> task-cinnamon-desktop then? Not sure if
that's the right name
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2505[18:10:49] <jelly> ,v task-cinnamon-desktop
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2506[18:10:50] <judd> Package: task-cinnamon-desktop on amd64 --
jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; sid: 3.39; stretch: 3.39
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2507[18:10:55] <jelly> right
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2512[18:11:46] <jelly> Renari2: if/when that succeeds, do an
"apt-get dist-upgrade", and you'll have a somewhat
more complete sid installation. There's no way to downgrade
apart from a reinstall.
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2516[18:12:37] <Renari2> Alright, I'll try that, thanks.
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2528[18:17:14] <cj101> Hi, for some reason I can't seem to
statically assign an IP address to eth0. when set to DHCP it picks
up an address and works, but when static no address at all. Any
ideas?
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2529[18:17:37] <petemc> did you bring the interface up after
configuring a static address
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2530[18:17:38] <petemc> ?
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2531[18:17:53] <code1o6> I'm having an issue with my audio.
Everytttime my computer hibernates/sleep I loose audio. If I open
settings it works again? any advice or way o debug this issue
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2533[18:18:06] <cj101> /etc/init.d/networking restart (with auto
eth0 in interfaces)
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/etc/network/interfaces ?
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2538[18:18:46] <petemc> on a pastebin
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2540[18:19:01] <cj101> one sec
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2547[18:21:44] <jelly> Renari: since the plan is for you to be a
proud bleeding edge sid user, consider reading: /msg dpkg
debian-next, /msg dpkg sid faq
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2551[18:22:55] <cj101>
replaced-url
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2552[18:23:14] <jelly> Renari: alternatively, once you get this
mess running well enough, consider doing a fresh installation of
stretch (current "testing", likely to become Debian 9
release this year) and migrating useful data to that
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2553[18:23:32] <cj101> If you see a typo in that then check with
me first as I had to hand type that into pastebin
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2554[18:23:39] <petemc> yeah doesnt work
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2556[18:24:23] <cj101> petemc, are you telling me that wont work?
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2558[18:24:40] <petemc> the link doesnt work.
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2559[18:24:44] <Renari> Thanks jelly after running the
dist-upgrade the system booted successfully.
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2560[18:24:56] <Renari> I'll read the stuff you linked.
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2562[18:25:40] <cj101>
replaced-url
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2563[18:25:43] <cj101> try that one
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2567[18:26:16] <han-solo> jelly : have you used
kde-plasma-dekstop?
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2571[18:27:47] <jelly> han-solo: I'm using kde4 on jessie
right now
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2572[18:27:56] <petemc> cj101: that looks ok. does neither eth0
or eth1 show an address after restarting networking ?
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2573[18:28:15] <cj101> eth1 has an address but eth0 does not
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2574[18:28:24] <han-solo> how that in relation to gnome?
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2575[18:28:49] <petemc> cj101: and if you do ifup eth0 ?
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2577[18:29:06] <jelly> han-solo: I haven't touch gnome since
gnome 2 so it's hard to say
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2579[18:29:22] <han-solo> okay
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2580[18:29:25] <cj101> aha, missing address
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2581[18:29:51] <cj101> adderss instead of address
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2584[18:30:28] <Renari> jelly, "i.e. make sure that you do
not remove a plethora of packages you need by blindly accepting the
proposed action"
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2585[18:30:35] <Renari> hmmmm
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2589[18:31:40] <cj101> Working now. I feel like a muppet lol
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2590[18:32:16] <petemc> happens to the best of us
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2591[18:32:21] <jelly> Renari: apt-get's user interface
often leads a user to ingore the scrolled-off part of the output,
you're not the first or the last one to have accidentally that
part
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2597[18:33:46] <jelly> Renari: root cause, even if it's too
late to say it now, is "do NOT, EVER, mix repos of newer debian
branches into an installation of stable"
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2600[18:34:25] <jelly> inevitably leads to trouble for the unwary
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2604[18:35:27] <jelly> there are other methods to get newer
versions of (some) software into stable and not break it in the
process, like "backports"
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2607[18:36:23] <Renari> Yeah, I don't recall what it was off
the top of my head. I believe I needed a newer version of gcc to
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2743[19:29:35] <injustice> starting from a debian stretch
install, i am trying to first upgrade the kernel to 4.11-rc5, then
enable a kdump kernel. if i do this from the stock kernel (4.9.0), i
get the dump written to /var/crash after triggering a panic. if i do
this from the 4.11-rc5 kernel using the same config (plus defaults
for new options), kexec fails with 'ELF core parse failed'
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2753[19:33:47] <BluesKaj> injustice, obviously the 4.11-rc5
kernel isn't suitable yet
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2756[19:34:49] <injustice> BluesKaj: i don't see why that is
obvious. i mean it's a release candidate. why can't i use
it for kexec?\
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2757[19:35:02] <c1a551f1ed> !testing
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2758[19:35:02] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<stretch>. See
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2759[19:35:14] <backtrack> Does Debian use KDE 5
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2760[19:35:38] <injustice> BluesKaj: not to mention, I can't
load the 4.9 kernel and initrd using kexec either
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2774[19:41:08] <BluesKaj> backtrack, debian stretch uses
kde/plasama 5 if you choose it during the install
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2786[19:44:14] <brunus> hi all
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2793[19:45:26] <brunus> after a Stretch update/upgrade aborted,
apt is seeking the Debians repositories on 127.0.0.1 port 9999 ...
and of course it's not the IP of the Debian Repos I have in my
sources.list
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2795[19:45:41] <brunus> any idea on this strange prob ? thanks !
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2804[19:49:27] <MikeDebian> is wakeonlan supposed to work on
Debian 8 from a shutdown. it is working from a suspend but no from a
shutdown. bios seems to be properly configured to allow it
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2805[19:49:30] <MikeDebian> ?
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2818[19:59:36] <BluesKaj> MikeDebian, it works on machines which
have motherboards or network cards that support
'Wake-on-Lan' packets. That's what my software manger
says. Do you have etherwake installed?
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2821[20:00:30] <BluesKaj> !etherwake
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2822[20:00:35] <MikeDebian> the machine is a Dell Server T30 with
an integrated network card and the motherboard supports wakeonlan
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2823[20:00:49] <MikeDebian> it is enabled in the bios
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2824[20:01:23] <MikeDebian> im sending wol packages from another
machine and it does work if it is in suspended mode but not if I
shut it down
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2829[20:02:22] <jhutchins_wk> MikeDebian: I believe that's
expected behavior.
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2832[20:03:07] <jhutchins_wk> MikeDebian: It's
"wake", not "power on". The OS isn't
available to listen to the packets if it's powered off.
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2834[20:03:47] <jhutchins_wk> brunus: Strange entries in you
hosts file?
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2838[20:05:10] <MikeDebian> it is not the OS that handles the
magic packets, it is the motherboard i think...
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2840[20:06:50] <c1a551f1ed> The hardware has to support powering
on via WoL. Typically, it's only wake from suspend.
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2841[20:07:08] <jhutchins_wk> MikeDebian: It, too, is powered
down. Think about it - first thing it's going to do is POST,
then load the BIOS. If that hasn't happened yet, how does it
turn on?
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2843[20:07:56] <jhutchins_wk> MikeDebian: The network card has to
have power.
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2845[20:08:06] <MikeDebian> when I shut it down the network card
keeps ON and blinks when sending the wol packet but doesn't
wake up
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2847[20:08:28] <MikeDebian> the power to the network card is not
cut when shutting down if the WOL feature is enabled in the bios
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2848[20:09:03] <jhutchins_wk> MikeDebian: I really don't
know the details, I would not expect a cold start to work but I may
be wrong.
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2850[20:09:20] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins_wk: Some hardware sets can
do it, but it requires hardware and OS compatibility.
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2853[20:09:35] <MikeDebian> yes, that's right
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2855[20:10:04] <jhutchins_wk> c1a551f1ed: Shouldn't depend
on the OS if the OS isn't loaded yet.
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2857[20:10:27] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins_wk: It does depend on OS
support. Windows 8 and later, for example, won't do power on
via WoL even if the hardware supports it.
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2858[20:10:39] <MikeDebian> that would make sense but the OS
really needs to be compatible because when shutting down it must
require the hardware to keep some feature alive in order to get the
magic packets
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2860[20:11:06] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins_wk: Specifically because
the OS disables WoL arming when shutting down into S4/S5 power
states.
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2861[20:11:15] <jhutchins_wk> I would expect that to be up to the
BIOS.
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2862[20:11:55] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins_wk: That's how it
works. Dunno what else to tell you.
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2863[20:12:10] <c1a551f1ed> MikeDebian: It may be that your
hardware only supports WoL from S3, and not power states lower than
that.
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2864[20:12:29] <Walakea> are the documentation html files
provided by jessie package openscenegraph-doc supposed to be blank
with only header visible? i don't think so
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2865[20:13:01] <MikeDebian> yes, it is up to the BIOS but also up
to the OS like c1a551f1ed because of shutdown hardware procedures
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2866[20:13:25] <c1a551f1ed> MikeDebian: I don't believe
there's any facility within Linux that explicitly disables the
WoL arming state when shutting down.
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2869[20:14:06] <MikeDebian> I think it should support WOL from S4
and S5 once there's an option in the bios saying "LAN with
PXE Boot" -> "A wakeup packet sent to the system in
either S4 or S5 state will cause the system to wake-up and
immediately boot to PXE"
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2871[20:14:46] <c1a551f1ed> MikeDebian: That to me sounds like it
will only boot to a PXE option, rather than from disk.
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2873[20:15:32] <MikeDebian> that's option is under Wake On
LAN settings
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2874[20:16:10] <MikeDebian> "LAN Only" option says
"Allow the system to be powered on by special LAN signals"
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2875[20:16:25] <MikeDebian> "powered on" sounds like
powered on and not only waking
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2878[20:16:45] <c1a551f1ed> MikeDebian: I'd agree, but
I've seen some pretty terrible BIOS menu design.
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2880[20:17:16] <c1a551f1ed> MikeDebian: None of this really
sounds like a Debian issue. This sounds more an issue of what the
system is expecting to trigger a wake. If you have a spare system to
test with, you can use etherwake to test it out.
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2881[20:17:37] <MikeDebian> and the main statement says
"This option allows the computer to power up from the off state
when triggered by a special LAN signal. Wakeup from the standby
state is unaffected by this setting and must be enabled in the
operating system. This feature only works when the computer is
connected do AC"
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2885[20:18:11] <MikeDebian> this also seems to say it supports
wol from s4/s5
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2886[20:18:18] <c1a551f1ed> I'd agree.
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2889[20:18:41] <MikeDebian> and it's curious that it says it
is not affected by the standby state, I guess suspend state, right?
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2893[20:19:43] <Hestben> MikeDebian: There may be more settings
you need to enable in BIOS.
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2896[20:20:09] <Hestben> Like a general setting for the BIOS to
allow wakeups from various events, such as "power
restored"
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2897[20:20:27] <MikeDebian> maybe but couldn't find any
other so far
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2901[20:21:02] <MikeDebian> the output of "cat
/proc/acpi/wakeup"
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2902[20:21:14] <Hestben> During my tests with WoL, I saw that the
computer didn't wake up after it had been plugged into power,
but needed to be started at least once since last power outage for
WoL to work.
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2903[20:21:16] <MikeDebian> doesnt mentioned anything enabled for
s4 and s5 states... that may say something
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2912[20:22:14] <MikeDebian> Hestben, that makes some sense once
the OS needs to enable some feature related to WOL when shutting
down
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2914[20:22:25] <MikeDebian> and I guess this is where the problem
is currently
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2919[20:22:48] <Hestben> don't know more, I'm afraid
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2920[20:22:55] <MikeDebian> thank you anyway
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2937[20:30:45] <jhutchins_wk> Walakea is never gonna get an
answer if he doesn't stick around.
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2939[20:31:52] <jhutchins_wk> The problem is that it's not
consistently implemented in the BIOS.
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2940[20:32:06] <jhutchins_wk> (The WoL problem)
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3001[20:42:31] <brunus> jhutchins_wk, good suggestion, I'm
verifying
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3016[20:46:34] <xpk> sup fellas, just confirming: 'zip'
doesn't come with jessie stable? it requires an apt install?
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3019[20:48:35] <TomTomTosch> xpk: that's right.
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3020[20:48:46] <xpk> word, thanks
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3024[20:52:43] <bin_bash> tar doesnt come with centos lmao
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3025[20:52:49] <bin_bash> well the minimal core install at least
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3026[20:52:56] <bin_bash> kind of a glaring thing to leave out,
imo
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3027[20:52:59] <bin_bash> also manpages
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3029[20:53:31] <`Kevin> id prefer minimal to be stripped down as
much as possible outside of package manager
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3030[20:53:39] <bin_bash> i agree to an extent...
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3031[20:53:47] <bin_bash> i think tar is pretty important though
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3032[20:53:47] <xpk> it's just funny because
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3033[20:53:50] <xpk> zip, tar, man
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3034[20:53:52] <xpk> cmon
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3035[20:53:59] <bin_bash> say you have to manually install a
driver in order to get network access
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3036[20:54:04] <bin_bash> chances are that driver is tar'd
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3037[20:54:12] <`Kevin> and also needs gcc etc :)
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3038[20:54:12] <bin_bash> now you have to manually install tar...
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3040[20:54:38] <bin_bash> im all about being minimal
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3041[20:54:43] <bin_bash> i mean i run arch on my laptops
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3042[20:54:45] <bin_bash> so i get it
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3043[20:54:56] <bin_bash> i just personally think that tar and
man are kind of necessary for installation
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3056[20:57:03] <blackflow> nah, there'll be systemctl
--untar --gunzip somefile.tar.gz soon, so... :)
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3060[20:57:25] <bin_bash> and i dont like that
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3071[21:02:04] <somiaj> fail to see how this is a #debian issue,
tar is a required package so should be present on all debian
systems.
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3075[21:04:22] <jhutchins_wk> zip, on the other hand, is a MS
protocol and optional.
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3104[21:20:09] <bin_bash> somiaj: we were having a discussion
based on an on-topic question. that's allowed, yes?
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3122[21:27:29] <DammitJim> Linux uses some kind of timezone
standard, right?
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3123[21:27:59] <DammitJim> like, I don't think there is a
way to set a system to NOT use EDT if one is in an Eastern Time
Zone, right?
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3126[21:29:12] <Hydroxide> DammitJim: there is. what do you want?
if you want Eastern Standard Time year round, aka five hours earlier
than UTC, you can do TZ=EST5. but that rarely reflects real-world
circumstances. (I had one employer who used that on servers.
seriously.)
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3127[21:29:15] <bin_bash> you can set your timezone to be
whatever you want
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3129[21:30:01] <mutante> if you have more than one computer in
one timezone, i would really recommend to just run them all with UTC
as system time
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3130[21:30:06] <DammitJim> oh, I thought it wasn't that
straight forward
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3132[21:30:26] <DammitJim> where do I set this TZ=EST5?
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3178[21:49:56] <c1a551f1ed> DammitJim: man tzselect
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3179[21:50:45] <DammitJim> thanks
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3180[21:50:53] <c1a551f1ed> That's one way. timedatectl
doesn't work with those kinds of offsets.
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3182[21:51:36] <c1a551f1ed> Wait a sec. I think tzselect only
changes it for your current shell.
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3183[21:52:00] <c1a551f1ed> DammitJim: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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3184[21:52:04] <c1a551f1ed> DammitJim: That one.
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3185[21:52:28] <DammitJim> oh
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3216[22:13:29] <JordiGH> Frozen means nothing goes into unstable
except security, right?
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3218[22:13:45] <JordiGH> Got someone in #mercurial unhappy about
the current version in unstable.
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3219[22:13:50] <JordiGH> Wonder if I can please him.
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3230[22:18:51] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: Only if you build it from
upstream.
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3232[22:19:50] <JordiGH> jhutchins_wk: I can't get it into
Debian, right?
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3233[22:19:57] <jhutchins_wk> Actually, I think it's
possible to disable DST changes.
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3234[22:20:23] <JordiGH> Daylights Savings Time?
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3236[22:20:39] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: Probably not right now,
but possibly soon. They're reviewing the release notes, which
means we're getting close.
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3239[22:21:00] <JordiGH> I can't tell what you're
replying to.
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3240[22:21:23] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: Is this guy actually
running unstable, or does he just think there's a problem with
that particular version?
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3241[22:21:26] <missmbob> not cloose...still over 200 RC bugs
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3242[22:21:29] <missmbob> close*
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3243[22:21:51] <JordiGH> jhutchins_wk: This guy just wants Debian
to have a version of his software that is newer than 5 months.
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3245[22:22:17] <missmbob> he just has to wait
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3246[22:22:23] <JordiGH> He's not really running Debian at
all. He just wants his stuff to be packaged timely.
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3249[22:22:31] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: He should consider working
with the package maintainer then.
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3250[22:22:45] <JordiGH> Yeah, Javi seems to work alone.
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3253[22:23:03] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: What's in the release
will necessarily be older though.
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3256[22:23:23] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: The maintainers do apply
patches where reasonable, and for significant changes there are
backports.
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3259[22:24:13] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: So a debian version number
and an upstream version number might not really correspond if the
older Debian version has been patched.
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3263[22:25:02] <JordiGH> No, no, this is Javi not having done any
hg work for the past 5 months.
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3264[22:25:12] <JordiGH> And an upstream hg dev upset about it.
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3269[22:25:51] <missmbob> transition freeze began in nov. release
takes a long time
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3272[22:26:22] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: It's not like we pay
the packagers.
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3276[22:27:34] <wizardedit> hi there. Could someone with
devscripts installed tell me if checkbashisms --version actually
shows the version string? I'm using it on Gentoo where it
doesn't, wanted to make sure it works upstream before filing a
bug report: This is checkbashisms, from the Debian devscripts
package, version
#VERSION#
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3277[22:28:06] <JordiGH> jhutchins_wk: Yeah, I know.
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3278[22:28:21] <emax0075> I am tryin to install OpenVPN, but I
don't have "TUN", anyone see that before?
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3280[22:28:37] <emax0075> If I run "lsmod | grep tun"
there is nothing there
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3282[22:28:58] <emax0075> and "modprobe tun" fails. I
am stumped
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3283[22:29:04] <JordiGH> We've been slushy since November?
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3284[22:29:05] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: I think you don't
have tun until you establish a connection.
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3287[22:29:15] <missmbob> JordiGH: yes
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3289[22:30:09] <emax0075> I cannot start openvpn, because it
cannot open TUN
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3291[22:30:53] <emax0075> My error is: ERROR: Cannot open TUN/TAP
dev /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted (errno=1)
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3296[22:33:47] <Poster> emax0075: If this is an OpenVZ based VPS,
you may need to ask your VPS provider to enable it
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3297[22:34:29] <emax0075> I should have mentioned that, thanks
poster. I did enable it, but the issue persists
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3299[22:34:39] <Poster> have you rebooted the guest?
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3300[22:34:44] <emax0075> yes
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3301[22:34:52] <Poster> ok and are you starting the daemon as
root?
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3302[22:35:11] <teraflops> emax0075: sometimes you can enable it
from the admin panel
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3306[22:36:06] <emax0075> the openVPN daemon
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3307[22:36:08] <emax0075> ?
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3308[22:36:14] <Poster> yeah
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3309[22:36:21] <emax0075> I did enable it from the admin panel,
thank you teraflops
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3310[22:36:30] <teraflops> emax0075: ah
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3311[22:36:31] <Poster> you can run it from the commandline with
openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/whatever.conf
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3314[22:36:48] <emax0075> one sec poster
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3318[22:39:14] <emax0075> I am starting the daemon as root
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3319[22:39:30] <emax0075> at least I am right now, because of the
permission denied error
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3325[22:40:42] <emax0075> I had create my
"/dev/net/tun" using a guide on the internet
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3326[22:41:11] <emax0075> If I modprobe tun, I get a nasty error
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3328[22:42:24] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: Sounds like something
isn't right with the creation process.
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3330[22:42:48] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: That _should_ be handled
by the package &or dependencies.
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3331[22:43:14] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: I've only set up VPN
a couple of times, but I never had to mess with devices.
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3332[22:43:44] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: Which release? Standard
debian repos?
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3333[22:43:49] <c1a551f1ed> OpenVPN should be capable of creating
the necessary device itself. I've never had to do so manually.
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3334[22:44:00] <emax0075> debian 8, I htink
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3335[22:44:14] <emax0075> deb 8.7
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3337[22:44:41] <c1a551f1ed> And the tun driver and tunX
interfaces are loaded whenever the process itself starts, not when a
client connects.
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3339[22:44:50] <petn-randall> emax0075: Are you running some
spin-off like raspbian?
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3340[22:44:54] <emax0075> nope
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3341[22:45:02] <jhutchins_wk> claritty: Oh, right. Server side.
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3342[22:45:05] <emax0075> it is on openVZ
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3343[22:45:29] <emax0075> tun module doesn't exist
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3344[22:45:41] <emax0075> let me recreate the VM
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3347[22:47:47] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: Are you using a pre-built
image?
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3348[22:48:05] <emax0075> Nope. debain 8 x64 minimal
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3350[22:48:41] <missmbob> openvz is so old and crap
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3351[22:48:43] <missmbob> "Deprecated in Debian (bug
#574529) and not supported for the Debian 7&q