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          8 [00:04:11] <linuxthefish> how much space do all the debian
            jessie packages need? like if i was to download all the main without
            source?
           
         
        
          9 [00:04:29] <zykotick9> linuxthefish: why would you do that?
           
         
        
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          11 [00:04:52] <nkuttler> linuxthefish: you can't anyway
           
         
        
          12 [00:04:57] <linuxthefish> zykotick9, just curious the total
            space for all packages
           
         
        
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          15 [00:05:26] <linuxthefish> ah
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          20 [00:06:31] <buu> so is the minimum mirror you need all +
            amd64 = 298gb?
           
         
        
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          22 [00:07:16] <nkuttler> that page says nothing about which
            releases are included
           
         
        
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          26 [00:08:09] <buu> I guess my question is more.. what's
            the difference between all and amd64?
           
         
        
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          28 [00:08:50] <nkuttler> sounds like arch-independent stuff
           
         
        
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          36 [00:12:39] <buu> yeah but what could possibly run on both arm
            and powerpc?
           
         
        
          37 [00:12:49] <c1a551f1ed> buu: Scripts.
           
         
        
          38 [00:12:50] <buu> I guess like, non-binary stuff
           
         
        
          39 [00:12:55] <buu> But 120gb of them?  
         
        
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          41 [00:13:00] <jim> is there a driver for a rtl8188us chip nic
            card connected by usb?
           
         
        
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          47 [00:14:44] <nkuttler> buu: scripts, data packages,
            documentation, ..
           
         
        
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          56 [00:18:52] <mender27> jim, it should be within the kernel
           
         
        
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          58 [00:19:39] <mender27> jim, as in, it's built as a
            module, but it's distributed together with the mainline debian
            kernel. You need firmware-realtek for the firmware, though.
           
         
        
          59 [00:19:41] <tw> Is there a way to auto-reconnect cifs mounts
            after hibernation? Example, 1. I mount a remote cifs filesystem
            mounted at /cifs1, 2. I create a shell session and cd to
            /cifs1/dir1, 3. systemctl hibernate & wait 10+ minutes, 4.
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          63 [00:20:34] <tw> How do I get the cifs mount to resume
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          66 [00:20:59] <mender27> buu, nkuttler, yes "-all"
            means architecture-independent packages :)
           
         
        
          67 [00:21:11] <mender27> See you o/  
         
        
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          72 [00:22:54] <jim> mender27, do you know what the module is
            called?
           
         
        
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          99 [00:36:35] <OERIAS> anyone here tried to install Unity in
            Debian>
           
         
        
          100 [00:36:37] <OERIAS> ?  
         
        
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          108 [00:38:21] <zykotick9> OERIAS: if you want Unity, i'd
            suggest using ubuntu... <- if your choice of OS is NOT DE
            related, then debian might be the better choice ;)
           
         
        
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          111 [00:40:11] <OERIAS> zykotick9, my issue is that I want Unity
           
         
        
          112 [00:40:18] <OERIAS> but not having to use Ubuntu
           
         
        
          113 [00:40:26] <OERIAS> using Debian instead
           
         
        
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          115 [00:40:29] <missmbob> you're out of luck
           
         
        
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          269 [02:12:58] <introom> what's the packaing policy on how
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          270 [02:13:13] <introom> fish2.5 has been out for several month,
            but the latest is still fish2.4 in sid.
           
         
        
          271 [02:14:55] <missmbob> dont expect much during full freeze.
            priorities change
           
         
        
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          273 [02:15:45] <introom> missmbob: freeze? on testing?
           
         
        
          274 [02:15:58] <missmbob> yes  
         
        
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          279 [02:18:07] <missmbob>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          420 [03:26:52] <Schwarzbaer_> ThomasJ, that spare computer with
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            figure out from the command line what kind of slot that RAM sits in?
           
         
        
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          422 [03:27:33] <Papillon> what kind of slot?
           
         
        
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          424 [03:27:49] <Papillon> like what kind of ddr? ddr1 ddr2?
           
         
        
          425 [03:27:55] <toruvinn> Schwarzbaer_, dmitool?
           
         
        
          426 [03:28:04] <toruvinn> er, dmidecode.  
         
        
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          428 [03:28:46] <Schwarzbaer_> ... Oops, wrong channel. Still,
            thanks.
           
         
        
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          464 [03:47:40] <baribal> Hi. I've just installed Jessie on
            an old machine, and now I'd like to rebuild the graphics
            interface; starting with using notion as WM, probably Dunst as
            notification daemon, then I'll need a display manager, I guess
            something greeter-like for the lock screen... Where can I read up on
            where to start, what I need, and how to do it?
           
         
        
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          466 [03:48:51] <gry> what did you install? did you install the
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          467 [03:48:53] <Papillon> choose a wm you like, apt install $WM
            Dunst etc
           
         
        
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          469 [03:49:12] <Papillon> might have to fiddle some config files
            if you can do it at all
           
         
        
          470 [03:49:56] <baribal> gry, Yes, a desktop, none specific
            option chosen, so it apparently defaulted to Gnome. I can re-install
            completely without default interface, if that'd make it easier.
           
         
        
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          472 [03:51:45] <baribal> Papillon, well, *that* is the part that
            I'd need tome guide on, actually. Just installing stuff is
            trivial, after all. The specific configuration, like graphical
            theming and setting notion's keybindings, that I can to myself
            too, no problem. It's configuring X (I guess) to make it all
            come together which I have no idea about.
           
         
        
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          485 [03:59:12] <gry> baribal, yes I would personally find it
            easier. maybe someone here can tell you how to remove gnome desktop
            without complete reinstall but I am not familiar with that process
           
         
        
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          492 [04:03:06] <baribal> gry, reinstalling is trivial. And *then*
            what would I do? Do you know of a guide for
            not-quite-dummies-but-not-professional-either?
           
         
        
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          494 [04:03:25] <gry> install the packages you need using
            apt(itude)
           
         
        
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          502 [04:04:51] <baribal> I'll give it a try, but I seriously
            doubt that it's as easy as you're making it sound. :p
           
         
        
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          512 [04:13:45] <gry> ok  
         
        
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          516 [04:16:16] <orlock> How do i see what package was built to
            provide a certain .deb?
           
         
        
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          519 [04:17:03] <orlock> As in, i'm making the assumption
            that building a single source package could result in multiple
            binary .deb's depending on the package?
           
         
        
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          560 [04:45:59] <dgriffi> when did the names for networking
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          564 [04:47:04] <Texou> oh it's changed for 1,5 year
           
         
        
          565 [04:47:49] <Texou> orlock: this info is on
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          569 [04:48:29] <Texou> dgriffi: oh it's changed for 1,5 year
           
         
        
          570 [04:48:57] <daemon> hey all can anyone help me out with a
            routing problem:
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          571 [04:49:04] <daemon> as to how its possible that, that gateway
            is unreachable
           
         
        
          572 [04:49:26] <awal1> Texou: what have changed?
           
         
        
          573 [04:49:38] <Texou> names of network devices
           
         
        
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          576 [04:50:22] <awal1> I'm running unstable and I still see
            eth0/wlan0
           
         
        
          577 [04:50:29] <Texou> really?  
         
        
          578 [04:50:40] <Texou> here things have changed for a long
           
         
        
          579 [04:50:45] <awal1> yeah  
         
        
          580 [04:50:54] <Texou> probably depends on interfaces, or kernel
            release, or systemd
           
         
        
          581 [04:51:34] <dgriffi> Texou: systemd... as is usual for weird
            and jarring changes in operation...
           
         
        
          582 [04:51:46] <Texou> yes... :(  
         
        
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          585 [04:52:46] <Texou> I really will need to learn systemd
            someday :)
           
         
        
          586 [04:52:51] <dgriffi> the debian installer needs an option for
            choosing which init will be used.
           
         
        
          587 [04:53:02] <Texou> oh  
         
        
          588 [04:53:09] <Texou> hard debate in Debian :(
           
         
        
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          591 [04:53:29] <Texou> now sysvinit will disappear
           
         
        
          592 [04:53:35] <Texou> as no one maintains it anymore
           
         
        
          593 [04:53:52] <Texou> given that opposed people to systemd left
            Debian
           
         
        
          594 [04:54:10] <dgriffi> Texou: I thought someone was maintaining
            a sysvinit switch within debian.. lemme dig that up
           
         
        
          595 [04:54:15] <Papillon> the debian packaging guide didn't
            even mention systemd or at least last time I read it a few months
            ago
           
         
        
          596 [04:54:38] <Papillon> the packaging guide as of this year at
            least I think says everything has to work with sysvinit
           
         
        
          597 [04:54:38] <Texou> dgriffi: not now  
         
        
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          599 [04:54:51] <Texou> Stretch seems to exit sysvinit
           
         
        
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          601 [04:55:01] <Texou> as transitional time is too heavy to
            maintain
           
         
        
          602 [04:55:07] <chris32> I talked with someone on here on IRC on
            PM about dating someone of a specific ethnicity and now I am getting
            ads on dating websites ads about people of that ethnicity. I am
            using firefox with a very minimal installation
           
         
        
          603 [04:55:12] <chris32> Is there something wrong with firefox?
           
         
        
          604 [04:55:32] <chris32> I am getting ads about dating websites*
           
         
        
          605 [04:55:38] <dgriffi>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          606 [04:55:46] <chris32> i didnt visit any dating website and
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          607 [04:56:01] <Texou> Papillon: seems the position changed
            before freeze
           
         
        
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          609 [04:56:15] <dgriffi> and now for something completely
            different... new install and the underscore character isn't
            showing up...
           
         
        
          610 [04:56:23] <dgriffi> for xterms  
         
        
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          614 [04:58:25] <chris32> Is there some new option on firefox
            about how it handles users' data that I am not aware of?
           
         
        
          615 [04:59:04] <hanasaki> how can I setup a debian box so that
            people can connect from another box and get a login screen as if
            they are local?
           
         
        
          616 [04:59:11] <dgriffi> blah!  
         
        
          617 [04:59:32] <gry> baribal, any good?  
         
        
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          619 [04:59:36] <Papillon> sounds like something you can do with
            x11 hanasaki
           
         
        
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          621 [04:59:55] <Papillon> although kvm or something
           
         
        
          622 [05:00:00] <hanasaki> ofcourse... Papillon some instructions
            would be icne
           
         
        
          623 [05:00:02] <hanasaki> nicne  
         
        
          624 [05:00:08] <hanasaki> nice lol cannot type tonight
           
         
        
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          628 [05:01:11] <Papillon>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          629 [05:01:31] <Papillon> although I think there are other better
            wikis out there and there seems to be a lot of duplication of effort
           
         
        
          630 [05:01:39] <Papillon> often it's a many to one problem
           
         
        
          631 [05:01:49] <Papillon> sort of I guess
           
         
        
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          633 [05:02:38] <chris32> Papillon: could you help with my
            question?
           
         
        
          634 [05:03:38] <Papillon> sorry, look at the various information
            sharing and privacy options in firefox, that's the best advice
            I can give you
           
         
        
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          639 [05:04:34] <chris32> Papillon: thanks. it's ok, i will.
           
         
        
          640 [05:04:54] <shadow1> Would anyone be able to help me
            troubleshoot an issue with my laptop crashing about half the time it
            goes into suspend? I'm all out of ideas and depend on this
            laptop for class :(
           
         
        
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          643 [05:05:18] <orlock> chris32: It's probably more likely
            your ISP is sniffing all of your traffic and selling it to marketing
            agencies
           
         
        
          644 [05:05:34] <Papillon> sometimes you can change what sleep
            states your laptop goes into, choosing more conservative options
           
         
        
          645 [05:05:35] <chris32> orlock: I have SSL
           
         
        
          646 [05:05:41] <chris32> orlock: right now using the website
           
         
        
          647 [05:05:49] <Papillon> choosing to only go into s1 sleep
            state, or s2
           
         
        
          648 [05:05:58] <Papillon> that can sometimes fix it
           
         
        
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          651 [05:06:10] <Texou> shadow1: what happens exactly?
           
         
        
          652 [05:06:12] <shadow1> my suspicion is it could be my
            intel/nvidia switchable graphics causing the issue
           
         
        
          653 [05:06:24] <shadow1> but i dont see a way to disable the
            nvidia graphics in the bios
           
         
        
          654 [05:06:46] <shadow1> the screen goes dark, then turns back on
            about a minute later
           
         
        
          655 [05:06:53] <shadow1> with wifi disabled and every application
            crashes
           
         
        
          656 [05:07:04] <shadow1> system basically is cripped
           
         
        
          657 [05:07:09] <shadow1> crippled*  
         
        
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          659 [05:07:26] <Texou> shadow1: and the desktop is displayed?
           
         
        
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          663 [05:07:49] <shadow1> yes it'll go back to the desktop
            after a few minutes but nothing works after it comes back from the
            failed suspend
           
         
        
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          665 [05:08:10] <Texou> shadow1: an error? or just nothing runs?
           
         
        
          666 [05:08:39] <shadow1> no errors, the system just locks up.
            it's the strangest thing
           
         
        
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          668 [05:09:04] <Texou> shadow1: so desktop is displayed, but no
            movement with mouse or keyboard possible?
           
         
        
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          671 [05:09:33] <shadow1> sometimes it will completely lock up,
            even capslock wont work. sometimes i can click around and move
            windows
           
         
        
          672 [05:09:47] <Texou> hmm  
         
        
          673 [05:09:48] <shadow1> but applications act strange and
            wireless is dead
           
         
        
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          675 [05:10:02] <shadow1> its like the system comes back from
            sleep in a drunk state lol
           
         
        
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          677 [05:10:19] <Texou> shadow1: you should see if
            .xsession-errors doesn't explicit some problems, or
            /var/log/Xorg.log.0
           
         
        
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          679 [05:10:47] <Texou> what's your nvidia driver? free or
            not?
           
         
        
          680 [05:11:31] <shadow1> the free one  
         
        
          681 [05:11:45] <Texou> maybe try the proprietary one?
           
         
        
          682 [05:12:05] <shadow1> i tried to install but i dont think it
            supports switchable graphics
           
         
        
          683 [05:12:12] <shadow1> just said i dont have an nvidia card
           
         
        
          684 [05:12:20] <Texou> ?  
         
        
          685 [05:12:38] <shadow1> laptop has intel graphics but goes to
            nvidia for 3d acceleration
           
         
        
          686 [05:12:58] <Texou> oh... weird  
         
        
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          688 [05:13:25] <Texou> well try having a look at logs if they
            give info (probably they do)
           
         
        
          689 [05:13:36] <Texou> ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.log
           
         
        
          690 [05:13:39] <shadow1> ok  
         
        
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          692 [05:13:59] <shadow1> it just happened so i should be able to
            find something
           
         
        
          693 [05:14:06] <Texou> sure  
         
        
          694 [05:14:19] <Texou> otherwise look at .old files related to
            these logs
           
         
        
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          711 [05:24:07] <shadow1> i cant find any Xorg logs anywhere..
            maybe its in a different place on stretch?
           
         
        
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          713 [05:24:15] <shadow1> this is what i got from
            /var/log/messages
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          719 [05:27:33] <Texou> shadow1: in /var/log, nothing related to
            Xorg?
           
         
        
          720 [05:28:04] <shadow1> doesnt look like it, get nothing with
            journalctl -e _COMM=Xorg either
           
         
        
          721 [05:28:11] <shadow1> how strange  
         
        
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          723 [05:28:40] <Texou> strange indeed  
         
        
          724 [05:28:45] <Texou> and ~/.xsession-errors?
           
         
        
          725 [05:29:14] <shadow1> doesnt exist  
         
        
          726 [05:29:20] <SpaceAce> what's the name of the tool to
            monitor changes to a directory?
           
         
        
          727 [05:29:23] <SpaceAce> inotify or something
           
         
        
          728 [05:29:41] <SpaceAce> i just need to move files as they come
            into a dir
           
         
        
          729 [05:30:00] <Texou> shadow1: very strange
           
         
        
          730 [05:30:02] <SpaceAce> ah, inotifywait
           
         
        
          731 [05:30:12] <Texou> shadow1: and your syslog?
           
         
        
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          739 [05:35:21] <olf-folks> hey guies has anyone here experince
            with truble shoot debian sound issues, i have tried the things i
            have found on the inet
           
         
        
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          741 [05:36:30] <olf-folks> such as adding myself to sound group
            and trying to unmute via alsamixer and doing "aplay
            /usr/share/audio/alsa/Test.wav etc
           
         
        
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          744 [05:39:37] <shadow1> Texou:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          745 [05:40:07] <Texou> ok  
         
        
          746 [05:40:08] <olf-folks> lspci shows i have Cirrus Logic CS
            4614/22/24/30 crystalclear soundfusion audio accelerator
           
         
        
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          748 [05:41:24] <shadow1> hmm Apr 2 17:45:02 latitude kernel:
            [26064.670748] Freezing of tasks failed after 20.003 seconds (11
            tasks refusing to freeze, wq_busy=0):
           
         
        
          749 [05:42:27] <Texou> shadow1: indeed. not beautiful log :)
           
         
        
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          751 [05:45:14] <Texou> shadow1: things seem to be down with a
            wifi issue
           
         
        
          752 [05:45:33] <Texou> maybe disable wifi card?
           
         
        
          753 [05:46:33] <shadow1> weird cuz sometimes it just goes to
            sleep fine, other times it doesnt. doesnt seem to be any pattern
           
         
        
          754 [05:46:52] <shadow1> even tried a bios update
           
         
        
          755 [05:47:23] <Texou> shadow1: given this log, I'd try
            disabling wifi first and see if it's always unstable
           
         
        
          756 [05:47:55] <shadow1> i'll give it a shot. wonder why
            intel would have open source video drivers but closed source wifi
            drivers :S
           
         
        
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          758 [05:48:46] <Texou> oh wifi and motherboards may have
            different situations
           
         
        
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          768 [06:00:03] <shadow1> thanks for your help :)
           
         
        
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          853 [07:11:04] <saulod2> yeah  
         
        
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          912 [07:58:01] <vyadhaka> I am looking for some help with regex
            syntax, I am trying to narrow down a list of invalid URLs, the
            domain part should have at least one dot and not 2 or more
            consecutive dots, it almost works with egrep -iv
            '^(http|https)://(([a-z0-9-]+)(\.?))+[a-z0-9/-]$' but
            it's not picking up
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          929 [08:11:56] <nkuttler> vyadhaka: #regex
           
         
        
          930 [08:14:39] <buu> vyadhaka: good lord why
           
         
        
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          933 [08:15:53] <nkuttler> (why not a whitelist anyway)
           
         
        
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          947 [08:19:36] <vyadhaka> nkuttler: this is related to my studies
           
         
        
          948 [08:20:58] <avar> Why is my time 'Mon Apr 3 09:20:25
            CEST 2017' even though my timezone (sudo dpkg-reconfigure
            tzdata) is Europe/Amsterdam, seems it's not getting the hint
            about DST
           
         
        
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          952 [08:22:04] <nkuttler> avar: hwclock -r
           
         
        
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          956 [08:22:54] <avar> that's ~09:20  
         
        
          957 [08:23:07] <nkuttler> !set time  
         
        
          958 [08:23:07] <dpkg> To set the time on Debian systems, use date
            --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp>
            to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match
            time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the
            correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>. see
            systemd-timesyncd instead of installing ntp
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          959 [08:23:27] <nkuttler> avar: just install ntp
           
         
        
          960 [08:23:28] <avar> `timedatectl status` shows ntp
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          961 [08:24:05] <nkuttler> wait..  
         
        
          962 [08:24:19] <nkuttler> avar: what was the output of
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          965 [08:25:15] <avar> Current default time zone:
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            CEST 2017. / Universal Time is now: Mon Apr 3 07:24:31 UTC 2017.
           
         
        
          966 [08:25:18] <avar> so utc is also 1hr off..
           
         
        
          967 [08:25:27] <nkuttler> yeah, install ntp
           
         
        
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          969 [08:26:45] <avar> I've got openntpd, it's in the
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          972 [08:28:06] <avar> but a manual 'sudo ntpdate
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          987 [08:34:27] <avar> So I should have a working ntp, but
            apparently it's doing nothing, but also I see I'm running
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          1010 [08:51:54] <choice> Hello! Where would you guys put
            "company wide files" on a server? In /home/copanyname? In
            /mnt/companyname/? In /var/companyname/?
           
         
        
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          1016 [08:56:00] <coke>
            /usr/local/opt/mnt/country/province/company/data/.important/ seams
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          1019 [08:56:56] * zykotick9 thinks /src is a lot shorter path to type...
           
         
        
          1020 [08:57:05] <zykotick9> s/src/srv/  
         
        
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          1025 [08:59:20] <choice> Interesting. I never heard of /srv/.
           
         
        
          1026 [08:59:25] <choice> Since we already use /home/ (for the
            users home dirs) I tend to go with /home/. So our stuff is less
            spread out around the filesystem.
           
         
        
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          1042 [09:05:55] <cef> I use /srv a lot, but mainly in relation to
            files I want to serve (apache, nginx, samba, nfs, etc) out of a
            machine.
           
         
        
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          1047 [09:09:09] <cef> But I'll create a dir under /srv for
            said application (eg: /srv/replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1071 [09:27:40] <nkuttler> another vote for /srv
           
         
        
          1072 [09:27:47] <suexec> In the nvidia control panel, you can
            adjust brightness, contrast etc etc. Is it possible to make the same
            adjustments via console commands? (I.e I would like to make a script
            with one set of settings, then another script for other settings so
            I can quickly change between settings)
           
         
        
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          1080 [09:31:29] <buu> suexec: did you look at the cli argument
            list?
           
         
        
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          1085 [09:33:09] <suexec> buu, nope  
         
        
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          1088 [09:33:37] <buu> oh  
         
        
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          1092 [09:35:14] <suexec> buu, I guess the -a attribute could be
            applied
           
         
        
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          1097 [09:38:15] <suexec> buu, yep. Found the solution. Thanks ! :)
           
         
        
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          1116 [09:47:16] <discovered> which iso i need to download if i
            don't want any GUI ?
           
         
        
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          1118 [09:47:27] <tx> minimal / netinstall  
         
        
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          1121 [09:50:15] <discovered> tx, will it start installing from
            remote server? I just need to run some text based software
           
         
        
          1122 [09:50:32] <discovered> like apache,ftp etc
           
         
        
          1123 [09:50:37] <tx> by itself, you mean?  
         
        
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          1125 [09:50:51] <tx> what do you mean by "start
            installing"
           
         
        
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          1129 [09:51:01] <discovered> tx, yes  
         
        
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          1131 [09:51:24] <tx> you can mount that ISO on a remote server /
            attach it
           
         
        
          1132 [09:51:31] <tx> and follow the prompts to install it on a
            hard drive
           
         
        
          1133 [09:51:38] <tx> via a console  
         
        
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          1136 [09:52:17] <discovered> i will install it on vm to see how it
            works
           
         
        
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          1141 [09:53:10] <discovered> I just need to use only web server
            ,ssh and ftp in that minimal system. No gui(gnome/kde) is required
           
         
        
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          1144 [09:54:03] <mender27> Morning.  
         
        
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          1148 [09:55:51] <discovered> should i download stretch version?
           
         
        
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          1150 [09:56:03] <tx> download stable  
         
        
          1151 [09:56:08] <mender27> discovered: what do you intend to do?
            :)
           
         
        
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          1153 [09:56:26] <jelly> discovered: stretch is not ready yet
           
         
        
          1154 [09:56:28] <tx> a web server + ftp  
         
        
          1155 [09:56:33] <tx> so, stable  
         
        
          1156 [09:56:39] <tx> after all, this channel is for stable only
            anyway ;)
           
         
        
          1157 [09:56:40] <mender27> yup, agreed. stable, totally.
           
         
        
          1158 [09:56:51] <mender27> tx: I thought it's for all things
            Debian :(.
           
         
        
          1159 [09:57:02] <tx> Nope, annoyingly that's on a whole other
            network.
           
         
        
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          1161 [09:57:46] <discovered> when this stretch going to be
            release?
           
         
        
          1162 [09:57:51] <jelly> !wwsr  
         
        
          1163 [09:57:51] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get
            distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably
            release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in
            stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about
            <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1167 [10:00:04] <mender27> jelly: thanks for the heads-up!
           
         
        
          1168 [10:00:44] <mender27> Yeah, quite some bugs in Stretch still.
            Even per firefox-esr.
           
         
        
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          1172 [10:02:05] <discovered> I want to run that minimal server in
            vm. KVM is the right choice?
           
         
        
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          1175 [10:02:48] <tx> sure thing  
         
        
          1176 [10:03:00] <mender27> seconded.  
         
        
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          1178 [10:04:55] <mender27> also, there is no set release date for
            Stable Stretch just yet. At least, according to the Debian Releases
            webpage.
           
         
        
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          1182 [10:09:40] <Papillon> but it's frozen?
           
         
        
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          1185 [10:10:25] <mender27> No, I just got updates today morning.
           
         
        
          1186 [10:10:50] <tx> it's frozen  
         
        
          1187 [10:10:56] <Papillon> debian streth froz
           
         
        
          1188 [10:10:58] <Papillon> stretch  
         
        
          1189 [10:10:59] <tx> but some of the ice is still warm, so last
            minute updates (that aren't big)
           
         
        
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          1191 [10:11:00] <tx> can be included  
         
        
          1192 [10:11:07] <Papillon> I think I can guess the next two
            letters
           
         
        
          1193 [10:11:15] <mender27> oh, okay, sorry for the confusion.
           
         
        
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          1195 [10:11:48] <petn-randall> Stretch is frozen. If you got
            updates, they're to fix some RC bugs. Also, there will be no
            release date, it will be anounced at most a few days before. The
            usual release date is "when it's ready".
           
         
        
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          1199 [10:13:12] <Papillon> packaging seems like one big hassle
           
         
        
          1200 [10:13:56] <mender27> petn-randall: thanks for the
            clarification :).
           
         
        
          1201 [10:14:25] <mender27> I think I need to get to Debian
            packaging at one point, hehe...
           
         
        
          1202 [10:14:27] <Papillon> there has to be a better way
           
         
        
          1203 [10:14:51] <Papillon> so much duplication of work
           
         
        
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          1207 [10:15:37] <mender27> Papillon: well, if you automate it,
            then not so much :).
           
         
        
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          1218 [10:21:49] <OS-28259> hi  
         
        
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          1221 [10:24:16] <Papillon> hi  
         
        
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          1239 [10:32:04] <slax0r> hello, I'm trying to downgrade some
            packages on wheezy from squeeze, and get that release file is
            expired, when I try to apt-get install, anyway to ignore that error
            and proceed with installation?
           
         
        
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          1244 [10:33:26] <nkuttler> slax0r: well, neither downgrading nor
            squeeze is supported.. but just download and dpkg -i them?
           
         
        
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          1247 [10:34:05] <slax0r> fg  
         
        
          1248 [10:34:07] <slax0r> err  
         
        
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          1250 [10:34:33] <tx> yeah fg for sure.  
         
        
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          1255 [10:35:48] <slax0r> nkuttler: yeah, could do that as well
           
         
        
          1256 [10:36:04] <slax0r> I just need a running vm with some old
            packages for some legacy support task
           
         
        
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          1258 [10:36:53] <tx> I'd use something lighter like docker
           
         
        
          1259 [10:37:02] <tx> depends on how old it is I guess ;)
           
         
        
          1260 [10:37:04] <petn-randall> !squeeze-lts
           
         
        
          1261 [10:37:04] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for
            Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set
            of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your
            sources.list is «deb
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1262 [10:37:08] <petn-randall> slax0r: ^^^
           
         
        
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          1266 [10:38:48] <slax0r> tx: I do, I just wanted to use the
            official debian image, and the oldest there is wheezy, hence
            I'd need to downgrade :)
           
         
        
          1267 [10:38:55] <slax0r> guess I'm taking the different route
            :)
           
         
        
          1268 [10:39:46] <slax0r> petn-randall: I'm using that one,
            but hence "ended on 2016-02-29"
           
         
        
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          1285 [10:46:35] <petn-randall> slax0r:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1286 [10:46:39] <petn-randall> slax0r: "To access snapshots
            of suites using Valid-Until that are older than a dozen days, it is
            necessary to ignore the Valid-Until header within Release files, in
            order to prevent apt from disregarding snapshot entries
            ("Release file expired"). Use aptitude -o
            Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update or apt-get -o
            Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update for this purpose."
           
         
        
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          1318 [10:55:34] <slax0r> petn-randall: thanks
           
         
        
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          1366 [11:16:03] <dfgh> I just installed stable minimal and then
            changed the sources to sid and dist-upgraded. Everything went fine
            and I installed kde and a few others like network-manager. After
            rebooting, I get the sddm login screen but the keyboard doesn't
            work. The mouse works fine, but I can't type a password to
            login.
           
         
        
          1367 [11:16:44] <dfgh> I restarted into recovery mode to check if
            I was missing anything, I installed xserver-xorg-input-kbd but till
            the keyboard isn't working in sddm.
           
         
        
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          1383 [11:21:23] <dfgh> Alright, it seems kde-plasma-desktop
            doesn't install xserver-xorg-input-libinput in sid, after
            installing that the keyboard now works in sddm.
           
         
        
          1384 [11:21:33] <tx> yay  
         
        
          1385 [11:21:34] <zh1> get this error on flash player update
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1388 [11:22:07] <zafu> hi, suddenly my X has now the wrong
            keyboard layout, where/how do I correct that?
           
         
        
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          1390 [11:22:52] <tx> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
           
         
        
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          1393 [11:24:09] <zafu> tx: :) thanks  
         
        
          1394 [11:24:13] <tx> np  
         
        
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          1404 [11:31:18] <BigBlackManOnPCP> hi all  
         
        
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          1407 [11:33:15] <linuxthefish> hi, when running
            "synaptic-pkexec" i get the error "Another synaptic
            is running. Trying to bring it to the foreground" but another
            one isn't running
           
         
        
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          1409 [11:33:33] <linuxthefish> i even did "killall -9
            synaptic-pkexec" and no other processes
           
         
        
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          1413 [11:34:29] <linuxthefish> ah nvm fixed it
           
         
        
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          1416 [11:35:24] <d3xter> hey guys, i'm trying to compile a
            c-project and during configure i get "/configure: line 13504:
            syntax error near unexpected token `FAKEKEY,', where do i have
            to look for that syntax error?
           
         
        
          1417 [11:35:57] <mender27> d3xter: at the line it points to?
           
         
        
          1418 [11:35:57] <d3xter> oh nvm ^^  
         
        
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          1420 [11:36:08] <d3xter> i was looking at configure.ac not
            configure :(
           
         
        
          1421 [11:36:17] <mender27> :D.  
         
        
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          1423 [11:37:38] <d3xter> mender27: is it correct, that autoconf
            creates the "configure" file?
           
         
        
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          1458 [11:51:30] <mender27> d3xter: this I don't know, sorry.
           
         
        
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          1461 [11:52:41] <Megaf> Good morning folks
           
         
        
          1462 [11:52:46] <Megaf> mender27, what's his question?
           
         
        
          1463 [11:53:32] <mender27> d3xter: this might be helpful to you:
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          1466 [11:56:05] <mender27> d3xter: honestly, the document I linked
            is a good introduction to the GNU Make tool and I might read it more
            thoroughly, too :).
           
         
        
          1467 [11:56:40] <d3xter> mender27: i was just wondering when
            "configure" gets created automatically, how syntax errors
            can occur ^^ will take a look. thanks
           
         
        
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          1470 [11:59:19] <moldy> d3xter: this is likely a bug in the
            project you're trying to compile
           
         
        
          1471 [11:59:36] <moldy> d3xter: either that or a missing
            dependency on your system
           
         
        
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          1474 [12:01:42] <mender27> d3xter: if FAKEKEY is a
            "#define" from some header, you might be missing a
            library.
           
         
        
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          1476 [12:03:35] <moldy> basically, double-check the build docs for
            that project, and if that doesn't help, report a bug to them
           
         
        
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          1483 [12:06:51] <phi_> how are you dealing with chromium disabled
            extensions in stretch?
           
         
        
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          1485 [12:07:47] <d3xter> moldy: build docs are "run the usual
            route ./configure make and make install" ^^
           
         
        
          1486 [12:08:13] <d3xter> i'll get in touch with the
            developers. thanks for your help
           
         
        
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          1493 [12:11:03] <jguillen> Hello everyone, a simple question for
            me, maybe you can help. Im btw using debian jessie. I would like to
            create a private network with a static IP for my homelab, but also
            would like to have another ethernet connection in case I connect via
            cable at work and use DHCP. Any hint about this ?
           
         
        
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          1496 [12:12:53] <FinalX> jguillen: would be easier to make your
            private network also do dhcp, and make it assign the same ip to the
            same hardware address (mac/ethernet address) every time
           
         
        
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          1501 [12:13:41] <FinalX> combining the two in the old fashioned
            /etc/network/interfaces way is pretty impossible. maybe use
            something like network manager instead, then. but even so,
            wouldn't recommend that.
           
         
        
          1502 [12:14:22] <petn-randall> !tell jguillen -about crosspost
           
         
        
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          1517 [12:27:50] <d3xter> so i think i've found a bug inside
            iceweasel :( matchbox-keyboard should pop-up when focusing a
            password field. its working fine in chromium, but not in iceweasel
           
         
        
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          1528 [12:32:58] <kryl> hi, is it possible actually to update
            jessie kernel without rebooting ? I guess kpatch will be released in
            next version of debian ?
           
         
        
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          1539 [12:37:26] <kryl> what about ksplice in debian ?
           
         
        
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          1545 [12:38:40] <backtrack> Does the Linux kernel have NSA
            backdoor?
           
         
        
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          1551 [12:41:20] <coke> only after you ask about the nsa on the
            internet
           
         
        
          1552 [12:41:42] <zh1> backtrack, ask nsa.gov and tell us
           
         
        
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          1554 [12:43:30] <sine0> silly question maybe, but does having a
            GPU on a headless server help for remote desktop
           
         
        
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          1578 [13:00:10] <ppf> hi folks  
         
        
          1579 [13:00:47] <ppf> on a debian 8 production machine, someone
            installed a couple of packages from sid (of course including libc)
           
         
        
          1580 [13:01:06] <ppf> after removing the apt source, what's
            the quickest way to downgrade all the wrong-versioned packages?
           
         
        
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          1594 [13:05:54] <moldy> ppf: there is no supported way, afaik
           
         
        
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          1602 [13:06:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy all  
         
        
          1603 [13:07:06] <moldy> ppf: that said, you can try `apt-get
            dist-upgrade`, but be prepared for all kinds of breakage. have
            backups and a way to access the system in case it fails to boot.
           
         
        
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          1607 [13:08:02] <ppf> moldy: dist-upgrade only goes into the
            forward direction. it doesn't downgrade
           
         
        
          1608 [13:08:07] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: Pretty sure a reinstall is going
            to be your only option here that ensures a properly functioning
            system going forward.
           
         
        
          1609 [13:08:26] <ppf> c1a551f1ed: why's that?
           
         
        
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          1612 [13:08:55] <TomTomTosch> ppf: start by poking the guy with
            sharp sticks. then you can look at the damage using aptitude search
            '?narrow(?installed, ?archive(unstable))'
           
         
        
          1613 [13:09:03] <moldy> ppf: 100% sure? i remember differently
           
         
        
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          1615 [13:09:17] <ppf> i can more or less list all the packages
            that deviate from the distribution version and xarg that into an apt
            install, but is there a nicer way?
           
         
        
          1616 [13:09:26] <c1a551f1ed> ppf:
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          1618 [13:09:30] <TomTomTosch> ppf: you can try downgrading the
            packages manually but it will be painful and might fail.
           
         
        
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          1620 [13:09:46] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: Might hand the guy that entire
            page, honestly.
           
         
        
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          1622 [13:10:33] <ppf> c1a551f1ed: The guy isn't here anymore
            :)
           
         
        
          1623 [13:10:38] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: Even better. :D
           
         
        
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          1626 [13:11:29] <ppf> anyways, he was pretty savvy, so
            there's a miniscule chance that this was intentional and for
            good reason
           
         
        
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          1628 [13:11:37] <ppf> TomTomTosch: what might fail and why?
           
         
        
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          1636 [13:13:30] <TomTomTosch> because downgrading is not tested or
            supported.
           
         
        
          1637 [13:13:52] <BluesKaj> I was surprised to see jodi crashing on
            my intel gpu laptop after insalling it last night, the crash log
            didn't give any clues
           
         
        
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          1639 [13:14:03] <BluesKaj> kodi rather  
         
        
          1640 [13:14:23] <mender27> afaik, downgrading can be done, but may
            result in breakage due to wrong dependency versions.
           
         
        
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          1642 [13:14:50] <ppf> TomTomTosch: the system wasn't really
            _upgraded_, i've just got a couple of packages with wrong
            versions lying around
           
         
        
          1643 [13:14:56] <ppf> 'just'  
         
        
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          1645 [13:15:18] <mender27> ppf: if you know those specific
            packages and they're a handful, you might be successful.
           
         
        
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          1649 [13:15:37] <ppf> i mean, package versions are rather atomic,
            there's nothing specific about going from one version to
            another, right?
           
         
        
          1650 [13:15:48] <c1a551f1ed> Dependencies.
           
         
        
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          1652 [13:16:13] <c1a551f1ed> And libc was included in this mess,
            as you said.
           
         
        
          1653 [13:16:14] <ppf> c1a551f1ed: yes, i'll be downgrading
            those transtively, of course
           
         
        
          1654 [13:16:35] <mender27> Yes, the dependencies are likely to
            break due to the way Debian often specifies them (version X <
            package < version Y).
           
         
        
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          1656 [13:16:57] <ppf> right now i'm thinking i might just
            downgrade libc6 and pick up the pieces
           
         
        
          1657 [13:17:24] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: You get to keep all of them.
            I've noticed that you came in here asking for help and advice,
            but are rejecting everything you're being given because you
            don't believe it's that serious. I wish you good luck.
           
         
        
          1658 [13:17:53] <ppf> c1a551f1ed: i'm not rejecting anything,
            and I appreciate your advice
           
         
        
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          1662 [13:18:18] <mender27> changing libc is a sure no-go. should
            never be done to a Stable install :(.
           
         
        
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          1664 [13:18:35] <ppf> well, technically i'm rejecting the
            "don't" and "it's hard" advice :)
           
         
        
          1665 [13:18:40] <ppf> mender27: i'm aware :(
           
         
        
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          1668 [13:18:57] <petn-randall> ppf: Restore from backups. Or
            reinstall. There's really no other sane option.
           
         
        
          1669 [13:19:08] <c1a551f1ed> Installing sid packages on stable
            should never be done, period. We even have a page called
            "Don't Break Debian," where that exact thing is the
            first topic discussed.
           
         
        
          1670 [13:19:18] <petn-randall> ppf: Take the advice from someone
            who actually tried downgrading libc6 once.
           
         
        
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          1672 [13:20:15] <ppf> c1a551f1ed: granted, but i'm past that
            point here ;)
           
         
        
          1673 [13:20:37] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: Your answer is a rebuild of the
            system.
           
         
        
          1674 [13:20:48] <c1a551f1ed> ppf: And bamboo under the guy's
            toenails for your trouble.
           
         
        
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          1677 [13:21:33] <ppf> petn-randall: what is the problem with
            listing all the wrong-versioned packages and reinstalling all of
            them?
           
         
        
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          1679 [13:22:36] <ppf> (i'm seriously asking for the most
            likely, conrete failure i'll encounted)
           
         
        
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          1681 [13:22:45] <ppf> *concrete  
         
        
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          1689 [13:25:30] <ppf> fwiw there's two reasons i'm
            considering this, a) it's not my machine. I have no idea when
            the system went downhill, and if there are sufficiently recent
            backups. b) the machine isn't running my services, so if i
            reinstall it, other people need to set up these services and i
            don't have faith in their abilities
           
         
        
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          1692 [13:26:43] <ppf> so trying to save the machine as it is looks
            like a viable option to me :)
           
         
        
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          1695 [13:27:45] <David_Hedlund> How do I make .deb of
            /lib/systemd/system/socket.service and /bin/vlc?
           
         
        
          1696 [13:28:17] <ppf> David_Hedlund:
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          1698 [13:28:30] <petn-randall> ppf: If you downgrade libc6,
            apt/dpkg might stop working mid-downgrade. Permanently. Amongst many
            other services. But if you don't have recent backups, you have
            way larger problems.
           
         
        
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          1702 [13:28:59] <petn-randall> ppf: I just ended up reinstalling
            and migrating the data from the old installation to the new one.
           
         
        
          1703 [13:29:20] <dgriffi> when I started fiddling around with the
            lack of libjasper, I thought it was a shame...
           
         
        
          1704 [13:29:37] <dgriffi> now I'm trying to build the damn
            thing myself and I'm screaming at the author
           
         
        
          1705 [13:29:48] <dgriffi> how the hell is someone supposed to get
            this thing build?
           
         
        
          1706 [13:30:05] <moldy> ppf: it's very likely that
            reinstalling is signifcantly less work *right now*, and even more
            likely it's less work in the long run
           
         
        
          1707 [13:30:14] <dgriffi> good riddance! I'm switching all of
            my code to using openjpeg instead of jasper.
           
         
        
          1708 [13:31:00] <ppf> dgriffi: what's so hard about it?
           
         
        
          1709 [13:31:26] <ppf> moldy: that's precisely what i want to
            find out right now
           
         
        
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          1711 [13:31:34] <dgriffi> ppf: the author uses cmake in funny ways
            such that a simple mkdir build; cmake ../ doesn't work
           
         
        
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          1714 [13:31:56] <dgriffi> ppf: and it fails to find the glut.h
            headers
           
         
        
          1715 [13:32:37] <dgriffi> I just need to get it compiled so I can
            port my code away from it
           
         
        
          1716 [13:33:21] <ppf> dgriffi: works fine for me. you do realise
            that there's a build/ directory in the source tree already?
            maybe pick a different one
           
         
        
          1717 [13:33:51] <ppf> petn-randall: apt isn't linked
            statically? M(
           
         
        
          1718 [13:34:07] <dgriffi> ppf: no dice  
         
        
          1719 [13:35:14] <dgriffi>
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          1723 [13:36:52] <ppf> petn-randall: sid's apt depends on a
            lesser version of libc6 than the one shipped with stable
           
         
        
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          1731 [13:40:38] * petn-randall shrugs.  
         
        
          1732 [13:40:54] <petn-randall> ppf: Let's not waste each
            other's time then. Try it and see.
           
         
        
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          1739 [13:45:02] <jelly> ppf: if you haven't been pointed to
            it yet, /msg dpkg partial downgrade
           
         
        
          1740 [13:45:37] <jelly> ppf: before that, make a
            backup/snapshot/w/e of the machine as it is right now
           
         
        
          1741 [13:46:02] <ppf> jelly: will do, thanks
           
         
        
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          1744 [13:48:47] <mender27> dgriffi: I'm confused. It found
            glut.h in GL/glut.h. Why is it looking further and crashing?
           
         
        
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          1759 [13:56:49] <serrano> Hello. Can anyone tell me the meaning of
            "+b1" in "aptly_0.9.7-1+b1_amd64.deb"?
           
         
        
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          1763 [13:57:34] <petn-randall> serrano: It usually means it got
            recompiled due to some updates of underlying libraries. If in doubt,
            you can check the changelogs in
            /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz
           
         
        
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          1767 [13:59:24] <serrano> petn-randall: ok, thanks
           
         
        
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          1772 [14:01:07] <TwistedFate> If I want to switch from stable to
            testing, I will only use 1 mirror in sources.list right?
           
         
        
          1773 [14:01:14] <TwistedFate> As testing and unstable dont get
            updates?
           
         
        
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          1775 [14:01:53] <TwistedFate> jessie-security and jessie-updates
           
         
        
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          1789 [14:09:52] <abrotman> well, I guess he didn't want the
            actual answer ..
           
         
        
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          1793 [14:11:04] <arlecchino> for what is this channel ?
           
         
        
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          1795 [14:11:22] <mender27> For Debian Stable support
           
         
        
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          1797 [14:11:50] <petn-randall> arlecchino: You're still in
            the wrong channel.
           
         
        
          1798 [14:11:55] <petn-randall> !parrot  
         
        
          1799 [14:11:55] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1800 [14:12:00] <petn-randall> arlecchino: Try this one. ^^^
           
         
        
          1801 [14:12:47] <arlecchino> 1  
         
        
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          1803 [14:13:00] <arlecchino> but  
         
        
          1804 [14:13:04] <arlecchino> i cant find parros
           
         
        
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          1806 [14:13:10] <arlecchino> parrot os channel
           
         
        
          1807 [14:13:30] <coke> not like its mentioned in that long line
            dpkg said
           
         
        
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          1809 [14:13:41] <petn-randall> arlecchino: You need to connect to
            the right network. Read dpkg's message again.
           
         
        
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          1818 [14:20:03] <Megaf> Folks, any idea how can I swap two keys on
            my keyboard for the whole system?
           
         
        
          1819 [14:20:21] <Megaf> I want to swap super for alt
           
         
        
          1820 [14:20:36] <mender27> Megaf: check out xkbd
           
         
        
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          1822 [14:21:28] <mender27> Megaf: ah, sorry, it's called
            xkeyboard.
           
         
        
          1823 [14:22:02] <mender27> With it you can set custom keybinding
            within you .xinitrc that will be later used by the X11 session.
           
         
        
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          1825 [14:22:51] <Megaf> cool  
         
        
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          1832 [14:26:21] <coke> let me guess cmd and alt :p
           
         
        
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          1837 [14:26:49] <boser> hello, i have problem in firefox. after
            some minutes, the menues in the menue-bars are not showing, it
            indicator is only a black box. can you help me, please. it is Jessie
            with the newes software on.
           
         
        
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          1841 [14:29:41] <mender27> boser: what do you mean by "newes
            software on"? Do you mean backports?
           
         
        
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          1846 [14:33:36] <kryl_> hi, is it possible actually to update
            jessie kernel without rebooting ? I guess kpatch will be released in
            next version of debian ?
           
         
        
          1847 [14:34:29] <mender27> kryl_: it really depends what do you
            want to do specifically.
           
         
        
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          1849 [14:35:14] <mender27> kryl_: don't think everything can
            be hot-patched.
           
         
        
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          1853 [14:36:45] <kryl_> mender27, look at ksplice / oracle project
           
         
        
          1854 [14:36:56] <kryl_> it's still available for ubuntu but
            not sure for debian
           
         
        
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          1856 [14:37:12] <boser> mender27: no, all updates are made.
           
         
        
          1857 [14:37:23] <baribal> gry, I suddenly noticed that it was 4am
            already, and dropped into bed. I've just restarted the computer
            in question and am reinstalling.
           
         
        
          1858 [14:37:27] <kryl_> there is a packet in jessie but not sure
            if it works that's why I'm asking there
           
         
        
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          1864 [14:39:06] <boser> and i also get not contect-nenue, if i use
            the right mouse-button.
           
         
        
          1865 [14:39:14] <boser> on a desktop  
         
        
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          1867 [14:40:12] <teraflops> boser: are you using a gtk dark theme
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          1868 [14:40:24] <teraflops> gtk3 actually  
         
        
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          1870 [14:40:37] <boser> my desjktop is the cinnemon.
           
         
        
          1871 [14:41:00] <boser> desktop  
         
        
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          1873 [14:41:16] <boser> an the other configuration is standard.
           
         
        
          1874 [14:41:17] <teraflops> ok, but are you using gtk dark theme
            or a custom one?^
           
         
        
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          1876 [14:41:49] <mender27> kryl_: if it's in Jessie it should
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          1877 [14:42:09] <teraflops> boser: jessie or testing/sid?
           
         
        
          1878 [14:42:26] <boser> f*, i can not open a consol/terminal. it
            is also a black hole box.
           
         
        
          1879 [14:42:42] <boser> normal jessie.  
         
        
          1880 [14:43:03] <teraflops> boser: did you reboot after doing the
            upgrade? or at least restarted cinnamon?
           
         
        
          1881 [14:44:20] <boser> not. but the problem was befor the update
            also.
           
         
        
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          1886 [14:45:11] <teraflops> boser: no idea then
           
         
        
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          1889 [14:46:56] <boser> ok, thx, teraflops . so i have to look and
            to find out, if i can find a situation to reporduced the error every
            time.
           
         
        
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          1894 [14:48:35] <teraflops> boser: maybe launching ff from a
            terminal could help, since it spits error and warns to stout.
           
         
        
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          1920 [15:04:50] <sine0> silly question maybe, but does having a
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          1932 [15:10:15] <mender27> sine0: it's not a silly question
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          1935 [15:11:59] <mender27> sine0: ah dread, I cannot find the
            source now, but I recommend reading the manpage fomr xenocara on
            OpenBSD.
           
         
        
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          1939 [15:13:40] <mender27> sine0: in principle, you could do the
            rendering on the server and just link up remotely as a guest to get
            the output back.
           
         
        
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          1961 [15:23:07] <baribal> HAH! I _knew_ it wouldn't be so
            easy! Okay, I did a clean install of Jessie, no graphical interface
            by default. I installed xdm, notion and dunst, then rebooted. I
            landed on the console; no X up by default, no xdm to be seen. So,
            step 1, how do I make xdm start by default? As I understand, these
            days Debian uses systemd? So... Where do I start reading?
           
         
        
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          1971 [15:26:22] <teraflops> baribal: update-alternatives --config
            default-display-manager
           
         
        
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          1973 [15:27:03] <petn-randall> baribal: Debugging is not much
            different from before. Check in /var/log/daemon.log and other files
            for info why it didn't start. 'systemctl' will give
            you an overview of services that were started, failed ones will be
            shown in red.
           
         
        
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          1977 [15:27:36] <baribal> update-alternatives: error: no
            alternatives for default-display-manager
           
         
        
          1978 [15:28:11] <nkuttler> baribal: xdm should start by default,
            if you have no other dm installed. can you startx?
           
         
        
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          1982 [15:29:04] <baribal> startx: command not found
           
         
        
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          1984 [15:29:40] <baribal> Let me guess... The xserver itself is
            not among the dependencies?
           
         
        
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          1987 [15:30:28] <TimurTheLame> baribal, it's in the xinit
            package
           
         
        
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          1989 [15:30:49] <TimurTheLame> baribal, tip: you can use apt-file
            to search for files
           
         
        
          1990 [15:31:17] <baribal> Yup, no xinit installed; one moment...
           
         
        
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          2005 [15:35:17] <baribal> startx starts the X server, dropping me
            into a session of notion; not xdm. `update-alternatives --config
            default-display-manager` still gives me `update-alternatives: error:
            no alternatives for default-display-manager`
           
         
        
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          2008 [15:37:02] <nkuttler> baribal: cat
            /etc/X11/default-display-manager ?
           
         
        
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          2012 [15:38:25] <dgriffi> mender27: my best guess is that
            libjasper's author botched the cmake setup
           
         
        
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          2018 [15:40:55] <baribal> ...aaaand a reboot dropped me into what
            looks like it could be xdm...
           
         
        
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          2020 [15:42:00] <baribal> Yup, and I can log in and get a notion
            session. Moral of the story: "Just install xinit, dummy!"
            Thanks, *
           
         
        
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          2045 [15:47:55] <dgriffi> does anyone here know autoconf? I
            don't know how I can make it create confdefs.h
           
         
        
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          2048 [15:48:03] <dgriffi> and google isn't telling me
            anything
           
         
        
          2049 [15:48:05] <dgriffi> useful  
         
        
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          2061 [15:52:22] <Chrismeister> Hello, I'm searching for a
            application that lets me graphically add texts and lines to a pdf
           
         
        
          2062 [15:52:29] <Chrismeister> Like Adobe Acrobat
           
         
        
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          2079 [15:58:17] <imMute> I wonder how many people actually
            responded to the keyring email on d-d-a...
           
         
        
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          2081 [15:58:28] <jelly> dgriffi: I don't remember much about
            it... run aclocal first maybe?
           
         
        
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          2086 [15:59:29] <dgriffi> jelly: that doesn't affect anything
           
         
        
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          2090 [16:00:12] <dgriffi> jelly: I cannot find anything
            documenting how to do anything with confdefs.h besides lots of
            mysterious build errors.
           
         
        
          2091 [16:00:40] <dgriffi> err... google says nothing about
            confdefs.h except reports of build failures
           
         
        
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          2097 [16:01:47] <j4ckcom> bash: curl: command not found.
            <— what’s wrong?
           
         
        
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          2099 [16:02:01] <kuhno> i tried to install debian from the
            8.7.1-netinst image, but i tells my GRUB failed to install (told it
            to use the whole disk as crypto-LVM as / on a NVMe-SSD) without any
            further information. How can I get more debug info?
           
         
        
          2100 [16:02:17] <jelly> dgriffi: is there a conftest.ac ?
           
         
        
          2101 [16:02:20] <serrano> j4ckcom: `apt-get install curl`?
           
         
        
          2102 [16:02:28] <j4ckcom> thanks  
         
        
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          2104 [16:03:06] <dgriffi> jelly: what's that supposed to do?
           
         
        
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          2107 [16:03:47] <jelly> dgriffi: judging by contents of some
            random source "configure" file, it's what confdefs.h
            gets generated from
           
         
        
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          2113 [16:04:48] <dgriffi> jelly: I have two source trees that have
            somehow generated confdefs.h. neither of them have any sort of
            conftest.ac file
           
         
        
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          2117 [16:05:48] <jelly> dgriffi: ookay... so you do have
            confdefs.h, but part of build process fails to find or use it?
           
         
        
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          2120 [16:06:32] <jelly> dgriffi: did you manage to recreate top
            level configure by now?
           
         
        
          2121 [16:06:39] <dgriffi> jelly: I can do that.
           
         
        
          2122 [16:07:12] <dgriffi> jelly: I discovered about confdefs.h as
            the place where stuff like PACKAGE_NAME and PREFIX get defined in
            such a way to be accessable to the program
           
         
        
          2123 [16:07:52] <jelly> right. And just before adding those to the
            file, ./configure is apparently supposed to create it... $as_echo
            "/* confdefs.h */" > confdefs.h
           
         
        
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          2125 [16:08:05] <dgriffi> jelly: at the end of config.log is a
            section indicating the contents of confdefs.h... but that file is
            never created
           
         
        
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          2127 [16:08:45] <dgriffi> jelly: I see it too... code to create
            confdefs.h... no idea how to cause that code to execute
           
         
        
          2128 [16:08:51] <jelly> dgriffi: do you have anything similar to
            ^^ in your generated configure?
           
         
        
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          2130 [16:09:14] <dgriffi> jelly: "similar to ^^" ?syntax
            error
           
         
        
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          2132 [16:09:59] <jelly> similar to ... echo "/* confdefs.h
            */" > confdefs.h
           
         
        
          2133 [16:10:10] <jelly> "the above"
           
         
        
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          2139 [16:14:06] <dgriffi> jelly: yes. those are in my generated
            configure script
           
         
        
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          2146 [16:16:33] <baribal> ...and I'm back. So I tried locking
            my screen, and ~/.xsession-errors says that xlock couldn't be
            found; nor could I find a package for it. Okay, that's weird
            and constitutes question 1. Question 2 is: What thing do I have to
            `update-alternatives --config $THING` to set my default screen
            locker, and question 3 is, so that I don't sound like an idiot,
            what's the proper name for what I called `thing` here?
           
         
        
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          2149 [16:18:03] <jhutchins_wk> apt-file can tell you what package
            provides a file. Install it and update, then search.
           
         
        
          2150 [16:18:28] <petn-randall> baribal: Install
            'command-not-found', and it will tell you which package to
            install when a executable is not installed. Or jhutchins_wk's
            way.
           
         
        
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          2156 [16:19:38] <jhutchins_wk> baribal: For a list of alternatives
            settings, try ls /etc/alternatives
           
         
        
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          2160 [16:20:32] <jelly> dgriffi: that's something. Does a
            "make clean" followed by "./configure ..." not
            create that confdefs.h?
           
         
        
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          2162 [16:20:50] <jhutchins_wk> baribal: I don't think
            xlock/xscreensaver are managed as alternatives.
           
         
        
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          2164 [16:21:05] <arlecchino> a way to format a bootable stick
           
         
        
          2165 [16:21:06] <arlecchino> ?  
         
        
          2166 [16:21:13] <arlecchino> on debian  
         
        
          2167 [16:21:20] <dgriffi> jelly: nope  
         
        
          2168 [16:21:33] <dgriffi> arlecchino: do you want it writable?
           
         
        
          2169 [16:21:35] <petn-randall> arlecchino: You're still using
            Parrot OS. Ask in their channel.
           
         
        
          2170 [16:21:46] <arlecchino> i cant find Parros os
           
         
        
          2171 [16:21:51] <petn-randall> arlecchino: You won't get
            support for Parrot OS in here.
           
         
        
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          2173 [16:21:55] <c1a551f1ed> arlecchino: That doesn't make
            Parrot on topic here.
           
         
        
          2174 [16:21:57] <arlecchino> but is debian
           
         
        
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          2176 [16:22:01] <c1a551f1ed> !tell arlecchino -about parrot
           
         
        
          2177 [16:22:10] <arlecchino> !parrot  
         
        
          2178 [16:22:10] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2180 [16:22:17] <arlecchino> -about parrot
           
         
        
          2181 [16:22:27] <c1a551f1ed> "is not supported in
            #debian"
           
         
        
          2182 [16:22:34] <arlecchino> meh  
         
        
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          2187 [16:22:45] <arlecchino> this system dont have a irc client
           
         
        
          2188 [16:22:50] <arlecchino> channel*  
         
        
          2189 [16:23:27] <c1a551f1ed> Not on Freenode. You're on the
            wrong network, as you've been told.
           
         
        
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          2191 [16:23:39] <arlecchino> i find in channel list
           
         
        
          2192 [16:23:43] <petn-randall> arlecchino: We told you on this
            channel, and the other Debian channel that you need to join the
            other network.
           
         
        
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          2195 [16:24:05] <arlecchino> but parrot  
         
        
          2196 [16:24:08] <arlecchino> not are  
         
        
          2197 [16:24:13] <jelly> arlecchino: you can probably install one,
            eg. irssi, then connect to irc.frozenbox.org server
           
         
        
          2198 [16:24:21] <arlecchino> meh ok  
         
        
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          2212 [16:28:34] <dgriffi> jelly: poking around in
            /usr/lib/autoconf/lang.m4, I see that something like
            AC_LANG_CONFTEST has something to do with what I want, but it wants
            more... so I do it, but it doesn't see that.
           
         
        
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          2264 [16:47:38] <dgriffi> jelly: any ideas?
           
         
        
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          2325 [17:11:50] <MikeDebian> Hello all. I'm trying to boot
            debian 8.7 / 8.5 installers from a USB pen drive on a Dell Server
            T30. The uefi system doesn't recognize the pen and thus it
            won't boot
           
         
        
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          2327 [17:12:40] <MikeDebian> I already tried different pens, same
            result. these same pens work in other dell machines
           
         
        
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          2329 [17:13:03] <MikeDebian> also booted debian from an external
            hard drive and the system can mount those pens
           
         
        
          2330 [17:13:05] <petn-randall> MikeDebian: How did you prepare the
            USB sticks?
           
         
        
          2331 [17:13:32] <MikeDebian> the way I did with all the others
            which allowed me 2 install debian on 2 machines so far. on a dell
            laptop and on a dell server T20
           
         
        
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          2333 [17:13:43] <MikeDebian> mkfs.vfat /dev/XXX
           
         
        
          2334 [17:13:46] <MikeDebian> to format it  
         
        
          2335 [17:13:51] <MikeDebian> cp debian.iso /dev/XXX
           
         
        
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          2337 [17:13:52] <MikeDebian> sync  
         
        
          2338 [17:14:56] <MikeDebian> these same pens I'm trying to
            use on the T30 can perfectly boot into the debian installer from my
            dell laptop
           
         
        
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          2341 [17:16:34] <jelly> MikeDebian: what was the exact /dev/XXX
            used?
           
         
        
          2342 [17:16:47] <jelly> (also, there's no need to format it
            beforehand)
           
         
        
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          2344 [17:17:22] <MikeDebian> /dev/sdb1 as it was assigned
           
         
        
          2345 [17:17:34] <jelly> MikeDebian: it ought to have been /dev/sdb
            not /dev/sdb1
           
         
        
          2346 [17:17:47] <Renari> So apparently I screwed up my kernel or
            my filesystem in some way, and I'm looking for help repairing
            it. I'd be willing to throw a few dollars someones way for help
            since I don't know what I'm doing.
           
         
        
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          2349 [17:18:17] <zykotick9> MikeDebian: also, note the Debian Live
            images don't support UEFI...
           
         
        
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          2353 [17:20:43] <MikeDebian> on the previous machines I installed
            it on uefi mode
           
         
        
          2354 [17:20:45] <Renari> It's worth mentioning that when I
            boot the system it says there are feature incompatibilities mounting
            sda2 and sda3, I tried reinstalling the kernel using chroot on a
            live cd but it seems the kernal installed in sda1 was the newest.
           
         
        
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          2356 [17:21:07] <Renari> So I'm not sure what my problem is.
           
         
        
          2357 [17:21:14] <jelly> Renari: which debian release are you
            supposed to be running?
           
         
        
          2358 [17:21:24] <Renari> It was on debian unstable.
           
         
        
          2359 [17:21:33] <Renari> Uh jessie that is.
           
         
        
          2360 [17:21:39] <jelly> yeaaaaaah.  
         
        
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          2362 [17:22:10] <Renari> What happened was I tried to install
            chromium, and during the installation it asked me about doing
            something stupid, and I put faith in the chroimum install script.
           
         
        
          2363 [17:22:27] <Renari> Seems it removed or replaced some stuff
            that I really shouldn't have and now the system doesn't
            boot.
           
         
        
          2364 [17:22:30] <jelly> Renari: okay, boot some livecd, then
            pastebin the output of "lsblk" and "blkid" for a
            start
           
         
        
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          2367 [17:23:08] <MikeDebian> I've already burnt the iso to
            sdb and not sdb1. lets see if that stupid mistake solves the issue
           
         
        
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          2369 [17:24:19] <MikeDebian> well it does solve it :) already
            booted from the usb stick. Thank you jelly
           
         
        
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          2371 [17:24:25] <jelly> cheers  
         
        
          2372 [17:24:38] <jelly> dpkg, tell Renari2 about paste
           
         
        
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          2376 [17:26:08] <Renari2> jelly:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2381 [17:27:03] <petn-randall> MikeDebian: I'm actually
            surprised the other machines could boot from the ISO being on
            /dev/sdb1. Guess I didn't know that Dell machines have this
            feature.
           
         
        
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          2386 [17:27:40] <MikeDebian> petn-randall, honestly I guess I
            haven't done that mistake when burning the iso into the pen for
            the other machines
           
         
        
          2387 [17:27:48] <MikeDebian> but can't really remember.. not
            sure
           
         
        
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          2390 [17:28:38] <jelly> Renari2: looks like /dev/sda1 is your
            linux installation, mount it, chroot into that mountpoint, then
            pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and
            "lsb_release -a"
           
         
        
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          2396 [17:31:11] <Renari2> jelly:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2407 [17:35:26] <Renari2> jelly: if you'd like I can open a
            remote desktop session using anydesk
           
         
        
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          2413 [17:37:48] <c1a551f1ed> I think jelly charges for that.
           
         
        
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          2415 [17:38:16] <Renari2> That's fine, I already said when I
            joined that I'd be willing to pay someone to get this fixed.
           
         
        
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          2431 [17:46:08] <jhutchins_wk> Renari2: The general idea here is
            that we help you learn to take care of the problems yourself.
           
         
        
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          2434 [17:46:39] <jhutchins_wk> Renari2: We encourage you to be
            involved and take ownership of the work.
           
         
        
          2435 [17:47:13] <dgriffi> what was the last distro to include QT3?
           
         
        
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          2440 [17:49:49] <Walakea> openscenegraph-doc/jessie seems to have
            no content on their html pages
           
         
        
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          2453 [17:55:29] <jelly> Renari: looks like you installed a number
            of packages from sid into that previously jessie system
           
         
        
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          2459 [17:57:56] <Renari2> jelly: yes, at one point I had issues
            with outdated compilers preventing me from running things I needed
           
         
        
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          2461 [17:58:32] <Renari2> I just installed
            linux-image-4.9.0-2-amd64:amd64, hoping this helps.
           
         
        
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          2463 [17:58:51] <jelly> Renari2: look at the contents of
            /var/log/apt/; pastebin the latest non-empty log (zcat blah.gz if
            it's compressed)
           
         
        
          2464 [17:58:55] <jelly> logs*  
         
        
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          2466 [17:59:14] <jelly> (both history.log and term.log latest)
           
         
        
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          2470 [18:01:07] <Renari2> jelly:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2473 [18:01:59] <jelly> so you basically attempted to do a release
            upgrade to sid
           
         
        
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          2475 [18:02:20] <Renari2> o-oh  
         
        
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          2482 [18:03:26] <jelly> Renari2: lines starting with Remove: say
            you accepted apt's proposal of removing many interesting
            packages
           
         
        
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          2488 [18:04:49] <Renari2> Yes, specifically the chromium install
            line removed a ton of packages that shouldn't have been
            removed.
           
         
        
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          2498 [18:09:07] <jhutchins_wk> Once again, Squirrelmail's
            send button sends but does not refresh the page. Recovered
            spontaneously on Friday.
           
         
        
          2499 [18:09:19] <Walakea> are the documentation html files
            provided by jessie package openscenegraph-doc supposed to be blank
            with only header visible? i don't think so
           
         
        
          2500 [18:09:28] <jelly> Renari2: reinstall what you think is
            important from that list. If you're using gnome, perhaps
            starting with task-gnome-desktop
           
         
        
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          2503 [18:10:09] <Renari2> jelly: I was using cinnamon, I actually
            noticed that was missing before attempting to reboot and reinstalled
            that already.
           
         
        
          2504 [18:10:35] <jelly> task-cinnamon-desktop then? Not sure if
            that's the right name
           
         
        
          2505 [18:10:49] <jelly> ,v task-cinnamon-desktop
           
         
        
          2506 [18:10:50] <judd> Package: task-cinnamon-desktop on amd64 --
            jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; sid: 3.39; stretch: 3.39
           
         
        
          2507 [18:10:55] <jelly> right  
         
        
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          2512 [18:11:46] <jelly> Renari2: if/when that succeeds, do an
            "apt-get dist-upgrade", and you'll have a somewhat
            more complete sid installation. There's no way to downgrade
            apart from a reinstall.
           
         
        
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          2516 [18:12:37] <Renari2> Alright, I'll try that, thanks.
           
         
        
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          2528 [18:17:14] <cj101> Hi, for some reason I can't seem to
            statically assign an IP address to eth0. when set to DHCP it picks
            up an address and works, but when static no address at all. Any
            ideas?
           
         
        
          2529 [18:17:37] <petemc> did you bring the interface up after
            configuring a static address
           
         
        
          2530 [18:17:38] <petemc> ?  
         
        
          2531 [18:17:53] <code1o6> I'm having an issue with my audio.
            Everytttime my computer hibernates/sleep I loose audio. If I open
            settings it works again? any advice or way o debug this issue
           
         
        
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          2533 [18:18:06] <cj101> /etc/init.d/networking restart (with auto
            eth0 in interfaces)
           
         
        
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          2536 [18:18:38] <petemc> cj101: can you show your
            /etc/network/interfaces ?
           
         
        
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          2538 [18:18:46] <petemc> on a pastebin  
         
        
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          2540 [18:19:01] <cj101> one sec  
         
        
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          2547 [18:21:44] <jelly> Renari: since the plan is for you to be a
            proud bleeding edge sid user, consider reading: /msg dpkg
            debian-next, /msg dpkg sid faq
           
         
        
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          2551 [18:22:55] <cj101>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2552 [18:23:14] <jelly> Renari: alternatively, once you get this
            mess running well enough, consider doing a fresh installation of
            stretch (current "testing", likely to become Debian 9
            release this year) and migrating useful data to that
           
         
        
          2553 [18:23:32] <cj101> If you see a typo in that then check with
            me first as I had to hand type that into pastebin
           
         
        
          2554 [18:23:39] <petemc> yeah doesnt work  
         
        
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          2556 [18:24:23] <cj101> petemc, are you telling me that wont work?
           
         
        
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          2558 [18:24:40] <petemc> the link doesnt work.
           
         
        
          2559 [18:24:44] <Renari> Thanks jelly after running the
            dist-upgrade the system booted successfully.
           
         
        
          2560 [18:24:56] <Renari> I'll read the stuff you linked.
           
         
        
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          2562 [18:25:40] <cj101>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2563 [18:25:43] <cj101> try that one  
         
        
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          2567 [18:26:16] <han-solo> jelly : have you used
            kde-plasma-dekstop?
           
         
        
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          2571 [18:27:47] <jelly> han-solo: I'm using kde4 on jessie
            right now
           
         
        
          2572 [18:27:56] <petemc> cj101: that looks ok. does neither eth0
            or eth1 show an address after restarting networking ?
           
         
        
          2573 [18:28:15] <cj101> eth1 has an address but eth0 does not
           
         
        
          2574 [18:28:24] <han-solo> how that in relation to gnome?
           
         
        
          2575 [18:28:49] <petemc> cj101: and if you do ifup eth0 ?
           
         
        
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          2577 [18:29:06] <jelly> han-solo: I haven't touch gnome since
            gnome 2 so it's hard to say
           
         
        
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          2579 [18:29:22] <han-solo> okay  
         
        
          2580 [18:29:25] <cj101> aha, missing address
           
         
        
          2581 [18:29:51] <cj101> adderss instead of address
           
         
        
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          2584 [18:30:28] <Renari> jelly, "i.e. make sure that you do
            not remove a plethora of packages you need by blindly accepting the
            proposed action"
           
         
        
          2585 [18:30:35] <Renari> hmmmm  
         
        
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          2589 [18:31:40] <cj101> Working now. I feel like a muppet lol
           
         
        
          2590 [18:32:16] <petemc> happens to the best of us
           
         
        
          2591 [18:32:21] <jelly> Renari: apt-get's user interface
            often leads a user to ingore the scrolled-off part of the output,
            you're not the first or the last one to have accidentally that
            part
           
         
        
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          2597 [18:33:46] <jelly> Renari: root cause, even if it's too
            late to say it now, is "do NOT, EVER, mix repos of newer debian
            branches into an installation of stable"
           
         
        
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          2600 [18:34:25] <jelly> inevitably leads to trouble for the unwary
           
         
        
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          2604 [18:35:27] <jelly> there are other methods to get newer
            versions of (some) software into stable and not break it in the
            process, like "backports"
           
         
        
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          2607 [18:36:23] <Renari> Yeah, I don't recall what it was off
            the top of my head. I believe I needed a newer version of gcc to
            compile something.
           
         
        
          2608 [18:36:40] <jelly> snakes and adderss?
           
         
        
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          2743 [19:29:35] <injustice> starting from a debian stretch
            install, i am trying to first upgrade the kernel to 4.11-rc5, then
            enable a kdump kernel. if i do this from the stock kernel (4.9.0), i
            get the dump written to /var/crash after triggering a panic. if i do
            this from the 4.11-rc5 kernel using the same config (plus defaults
            for new options), kexec fails with 'ELF core parse failed'
           
         
        
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          2753 [19:33:47] <BluesKaj> injustice, obviously the 4.11-rc5
            kernel isn't suitable yet
           
         
        
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          2756 [19:34:49] <injustice> BluesKaj: i don't see why that is
            obvious. i mean it's a release candidate. why can't i use
            it for kexec?\
           
         
        
          2757 [19:35:02] <c1a551f1ed> !testing  
         
        
          2758 [19:35:02] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
            between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
            <stretch>. See
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          2759 [19:35:14] <backtrack> Does Debian use KDE 5
           
         
        
          2760 [19:35:38] <injustice> BluesKaj: not to mention, I can't
            load the 4.9 kernel and initrd using kexec either
           
         
        
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          2774 [19:41:08] <BluesKaj> backtrack, debian stretch uses
            kde/plasama 5 if you choose it during the install
           
         
        
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          2784 [19:43:03] <BluesKaj> correctio: kde/plasma 5 backtrack
           
         
        
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          2786 [19:44:14] <brunus> hi all  
         
        
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          2793 [19:45:26] <brunus> after a Stretch update/upgrade aborted,
            apt is seeking the Debians repositories on 127.0.0.1 port 9999 ...
            and of course it's not the IP of the Debian Repos I have in my
            sources.list
           
         
        
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          2795 [19:45:41] <brunus> any idea on this strange prob ? thanks !
           
         
        
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          2804 [19:49:27] <MikeDebian> is wakeonlan supposed to work on
            Debian 8 from a shutdown. it is working from a suspend but no from a
            shutdown. bios seems to be properly configured to allow it
           
         
        
          2805 [19:49:30] <MikeDebian> ?  
         
        
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          2818 [19:59:36] <BluesKaj> MikeDebian, it works on machines which
            have motherboards or network cards that support
            'Wake-on-Lan' packets. That's what my software manger
            says. Do you have etherwake installed?
           
         
        
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          2821 [20:00:30] <BluesKaj> !etherwake  
         
        
          2822 [20:00:35] <MikeDebian> the machine is a Dell Server T30 with
            an integrated network card and the motherboard supports wakeonlan
           
         
        
          2823 [20:00:49] <MikeDebian> it is enabled in the bios
           
         
        
          2824 [20:01:23] <MikeDebian> im sending wol packages from another
            machine and it does work if it is in suspended mode but not if I
            shut it down
           
         
        
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          2829 [20:02:22] <jhutchins_wk> MikeDebian: I believe that's
            expected behavior.
           
         
        
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          2832 [20:03:07] <jhutchins_wk> MikeDebian: It's
            "wake", not "power on". The OS isn't
            available to listen to the packets if it's powered off.
           
         
        
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          2834 [20:03:47] <jhutchins_wk> brunus: Strange entries in you
            hosts file?
           
         
        
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          2838 [20:05:10] <MikeDebian> it is not the OS that handles the
            magic packets, it is the motherboard i think...
           
         
        
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          2840 [20:06:50] <c1a551f1ed> The hardware has to support powering
            on via WoL. Typically, it's only wake from suspend.
           
         
        
          2841 [20:07:08] <jhutchins_wk> MikeDebian: It, too, is powered
            down. Think about it - first thing it's going to do is POST,
            then load the BIOS. If that hasn't happened yet, how does it
            turn on?
           
         
        
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          2843 [20:07:56] <jhutchins_wk> MikeDebian: The network card has to
            have power.
           
         
        
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          2845 [20:08:06] <MikeDebian> when I shut it down the network card
            keeps ON and blinks when sending the wol packet but doesn't
            wake up
           
         
        
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          2847 [20:08:28] <MikeDebian> the power to the network card is not
            cut when shutting down if the WOL feature is enabled in the bios
           
         
        
          2848 [20:09:03] <jhutchins_wk> MikeDebian: I really don't
            know the details, I would not expect a cold start to work but I may
            be wrong.
           
         
        
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          2850 [20:09:20] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins_wk: Some hardware sets can
            do it, but it requires hardware and OS compatibility.
           
         
        
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          2853 [20:09:35] <MikeDebian> yes, that's right
           
         
        
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          2855 [20:10:04] <jhutchins_wk> c1a551f1ed: Shouldn't depend
            on the OS if the OS isn't loaded yet.
           
         
        
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          2857 [20:10:27] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins_wk: It does depend on OS
            support. Windows 8 and later, for example, won't do power on
            via WoL even if the hardware supports it.
           
         
        
          2858 [20:10:39] <MikeDebian> that would make sense but the OS
            really needs to be compatible because when shutting down it must
            require the hardware to keep some feature alive in order to get the
            magic packets
           
         
        
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          2860 [20:11:06] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins_wk: Specifically because
            the OS disables WoL arming when shutting down into S4/S5 power
            states.
           
         
        
          2861 [20:11:15] <jhutchins_wk> I would expect that to be up to the
            BIOS.
           
         
        
          2862 [20:11:55] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins_wk: That's how it
            works. Dunno what else to tell you.
           
         
        
          2863 [20:12:10] <c1a551f1ed> MikeDebian: It may be that your
            hardware only supports WoL from S3, and not power states lower than
            that.
           
         
        
          2864 [20:12:29] <Walakea> are the documentation html files
            provided by jessie package openscenegraph-doc supposed to be blank
            with only header visible? i don't think so
           
         
        
          2865 [20:13:01] <MikeDebian> yes, it is up to the BIOS but also up
            to the OS like c1a551f1ed because of shutdown hardware procedures
           
         
        
          2866 [20:13:25] <c1a551f1ed> MikeDebian: I don't believe
            there's any facility within Linux that explicitly disables the
            WoL arming state when shutting down.
           
         
        
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          2869 [20:14:06] <MikeDebian> I think it should support WOL from S4
            and S5 once there's an option in the bios saying "LAN with
            PXE Boot" -> "A wakeup packet sent to the system in
            either S4 or S5 state will cause the system to wake-up and
            immediately boot to PXE"
           
         
        
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          2871 [20:14:46] <c1a551f1ed> MikeDebian: That to me sounds like it
            will only boot to a PXE option, rather than from disk.
           
         
        
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          2873 [20:15:32] <MikeDebian> that's option is under Wake On
            LAN settings
           
         
        
          2874 [20:16:10] <MikeDebian> "LAN Only" option says
            "Allow the system to be powered on by special LAN signals"
           
         
        
          2875 [20:16:25] <MikeDebian> "powered on" sounds like
            powered on and not only waking
           
         
        
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          2878 [20:16:45] <c1a551f1ed> MikeDebian: I'd agree, but
            I've seen some pretty terrible BIOS menu design.
           
         
        
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          2880 [20:17:16] <c1a551f1ed> MikeDebian: None of this really
            sounds like a Debian issue. This sounds more an issue of what the
            system is expecting to trigger a wake. If you have a spare system to
            test with, you can use etherwake to test it out.
           
         
        
          2881 [20:17:37] <MikeDebian> and the main statement says
            "This option allows the computer to power up from the off state
            when triggered by a special LAN signal. Wakeup from the standby
            state is unaffected by this setting and must be enabled in the
            operating system. This feature only works when the computer is
            connected do AC"
           
         
        
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          2885 [20:18:11] <MikeDebian> this also seems to say it supports
            wol from s4/s5
           
         
        
          2886 [20:18:18] <c1a551f1ed> I'd agree.
           
         
        
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          2889 [20:18:41] <MikeDebian> and it's curious that it says it
            is not affected by the standby state, I guess suspend state, right?
           
         
        
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          2893 [20:19:43] <Hestben> MikeDebian: There may be more settings
            you need to enable in BIOS.
           
         
        
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          2896 [20:20:09] <Hestben> Like a general setting for the BIOS to
            allow wakeups from various events, such as "power
            restored"
           
         
        
          2897 [20:20:27] <MikeDebian> maybe but couldn't find any
            other so far
           
         
        
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          2901 [20:21:02] <MikeDebian> the output of "cat
            /proc/acpi/wakeup"
           
         
        
          2902 [20:21:14] <Hestben> During my tests with WoL, I saw that the
            computer didn't wake up after it had been plugged into power,
            but needed to be started at least once since last power outage for
            WoL to work.
           
         
        
          2903 [20:21:16] <MikeDebian> doesnt mentioned anything enabled for
            s4 and s5 states... that may say something
           
         
        
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          2912 [20:22:14] <MikeDebian> Hestben, that makes some sense once
            the OS needs to enable some feature related to WOL when shutting
            down
           
         
        
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          2914 [20:22:25] <MikeDebian> and I guess this is where the problem
            is currently
           
         
        
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          2917 [20:22:36] <Hestben> MikeDebian: May be, I don
           
         
        
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          2919 [20:22:48] <Hestben> don't know more, I'm afraid
           
         
        
          2920 [20:22:55] <MikeDebian> thank you anyway
           
         
        
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          2937 [20:30:45] <jhutchins_wk> Walakea is never gonna get an
            answer if he doesn't stick around.
           
         
        
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          2939 [20:31:52] <jhutchins_wk> The problem is that it's not
            consistently implemented in the BIOS.
           
         
        
          2940 [20:32:06] <jhutchins_wk> (The WoL problem)
           
         
        
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          3001 [20:42:31] <brunus> jhutchins_wk, good suggestion, I'm
            verifying
           
         
        
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          3016 [20:46:34] <xpk> sup fellas, just confirming: 'zip'
            doesn't come with jessie stable? it requires an apt install?
           
         
        
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          3019 [20:48:35] <TomTomTosch> xpk: that's right.
           
         
        
          3020 [20:48:46] <xpk> word, thanks  
         
        
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          3024 [20:52:43] <bin_bash> tar doesnt come with centos lmao
           
         
        
          3025 [20:52:49] <bin_bash> well the minimal core install at least
           
         
        
          3026 [20:52:56] <bin_bash> kind of a glaring thing to leave out,
            imo
           
         
        
          3027 [20:52:59] <bin_bash> also manpages  
         
        
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          3029 [20:53:31] <`Kevin> id prefer minimal to be stripped down as
            much as possible outside of package manager
           
         
        
          3030 [20:53:39] <bin_bash> i agree to an extent...
           
         
        
          3031 [20:53:47] <bin_bash> i think tar is pretty important though
           
         
        
          3032 [20:53:47] <xpk> it's just funny because
           
         
        
          3033 [20:53:50] <xpk> zip, tar, man  
         
        
          3034 [20:53:52] <xpk> cmon  
         
        
          3035 [20:53:59] <bin_bash> say you have to manually install a
            driver in order to get network access
           
         
        
          3036 [20:54:04] <bin_bash> chances are that driver is tar'd
           
         
        
          3037 [20:54:12] <`Kevin> and also needs gcc etc :)
           
         
        
          3038 [20:54:12] <bin_bash> now you have to manually install tar...
           
         
        
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          3040 [20:54:38] <bin_bash> im all about being minimal
           
         
        
          3041 [20:54:43] <bin_bash> i mean i run arch on my laptops
           
         
        
          3042 [20:54:45] <bin_bash> so i get it  
         
        
          3043 [20:54:56] <bin_bash> i just personally think that tar and
            man are kind of necessary for installation
           
         
        
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          3056 [20:57:03] <blackflow> nah, there'll be systemctl
            --untar --gunzip somefile.tar.gz soon, so... :)
           
         
        
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          3060 [20:57:25] <bin_bash> and i dont like that
           
         
        
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          3071 [21:02:04] <somiaj> fail to see how this is a #debian issue,
            tar is a required package so should be present on all debian
            systems.
           
         
        
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          3075 [21:04:22] <jhutchins_wk> zip, on the other hand, is a MS
            protocol and optional.
           
         
        
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          3104 [21:20:09] <bin_bash> somiaj: we were having a discussion
            based on an on-topic question. that's allowed, yes?
           
         
        
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          3122 [21:27:29] <DammitJim> Linux uses some kind of timezone
            standard, right?
           
         
        
          3123 [21:27:59] <DammitJim> like, I don't think there is a
            way to set a system to NOT use EDT if one is in an Eastern Time
            Zone, right?
           
         
        
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          3126 [21:29:12] <Hydroxide> DammitJim: there is. what do you want?
            if you want Eastern Standard Time year round, aka five hours earlier
            than UTC, you can do TZ=EST5. but that rarely reflects real-world
            circumstances. (I had one employer who used that on servers.
            seriously.)
           
         
        
          3127 [21:29:15] <bin_bash> you can set your timezone to be
            whatever you want
           
         
        
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          3129 [21:30:01] <mutante> if you have more than one computer in
            one timezone, i would really recommend to just run them all with UTC
            as system time
           
         
        
          3130 [21:30:06] <DammitJim> oh, I thought it wasn't that
            straight forward
           
         
        
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          3132 [21:30:26] <DammitJim> where do I set this TZ=EST5?
           
         
        
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          3178 [21:49:56] <c1a551f1ed> DammitJim: man tzselect
           
         
        
          3179 [21:50:45] <DammitJim> thanks  
         
        
          3180 [21:50:53] <c1a551f1ed> That's one way. timedatectl
            doesn't work with those kinds of offsets.
           
         
        
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          3182 [21:51:36] <c1a551f1ed> Wait a sec. I think tzselect only
            changes it for your current shell.
           
         
        
          3183 [21:52:00] <c1a551f1ed> DammitJim: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
           
         
        
          3184 [21:52:04] <c1a551f1ed> DammitJim: That one.
           
         
        
          3185 [21:52:28] <DammitJim> oh  
         
        
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          3216 [22:13:29] <JordiGH> Frozen means nothing goes into unstable
            except security, right?
           
         
        
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          3218 [22:13:45] <JordiGH> Got someone in #mercurial unhappy about
            the current version in unstable.
           
         
        
          3219 [22:13:50] <JordiGH> Wonder if I can please him.
           
         
        
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          3230 [22:18:51] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: Only if you build it from
            upstream.
           
         
        
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          3232 [22:19:50] <JordiGH> jhutchins_wk: I can't get it into
            Debian, right?
           
         
        
          3233 [22:19:57] <jhutchins_wk> Actually, I think it's
            possible to disable DST changes.
           
         
        
          3234 [22:20:23] <JordiGH> Daylights Savings Time?
           
         
        
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          3236 [22:20:39] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: Probably not right now,
            but possibly soon. They're reviewing the release notes, which
            means we're getting close.
           
         
        
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          3239 [22:21:00] <JordiGH> I can't tell what you're
            replying to.
           
         
        
          3240 [22:21:23] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: Is this guy actually
            running unstable, or does he just think there's a problem with
            that particular version?
           
         
        
          3241 [22:21:26] <missmbob> not cloose...still over 200 RC bugs
           
         
        
          3242 [22:21:29] <missmbob> close*  
         
        
          3243 [22:21:51] <JordiGH> jhutchins_wk: This guy just wants Debian
            to have a version of his software that is newer than 5 months.
           
         
        
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          3245 [22:22:17] <missmbob> he just has to wait
           
         
        
          3246 [22:22:23] <JordiGH> He's not really running Debian at
            all. He just wants his stuff to be packaged timely.
           
         
        
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          3249 [22:22:31] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: He should consider working
            with the package maintainer then.
           
         
        
          3250 [22:22:45] <JordiGH> Yeah, Javi seems to work alone.
           
         
        
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          3253 [22:23:03] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: What's in the release
            will necessarily be older though.
           
         
        
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          3256 [22:23:23] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: The maintainers do apply
            patches where reasonable, and for significant changes there are
            backports.
           
         
        
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          3259 [22:24:13] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: So a debian version number
            and an upstream version number might not really correspond if the
            older Debian version has been patched.
           
         
        
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          3263 [22:25:02] <JordiGH> No, no, this is Javi not having done any
            hg work for the past 5 months.
           
         
        
          3264 [22:25:12] <JordiGH> And an upstream hg dev upset about it.
           
         
        
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          3269 [22:25:51] <missmbob> transition freeze began in nov. release
            takes a long time
           
         
        
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          3272 [22:26:22] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: It's not like we pay
            the packagers.
           
         
        
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          3276 [22:27:34] <wizardedit> hi there. Could someone with
            devscripts installed tell me if checkbashisms --version actually
            shows the version string? I'm using it on Gentoo where it
            doesn't, wanted to make sure it works upstream before filing a
            bug report: This is checkbashisms, from the Debian devscripts
            package, version
            #VERSION# 
           
         
        
          3277 [22:28:06] <JordiGH> jhutchins_wk: Yeah, I know.
           
         
        
          3278 [22:28:21] <emax0075> I am tryin to install OpenVPN, but I
            don't have "TUN", anyone see that before?
           
         
        
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          3280 [22:28:37] <emax0075> If I run "lsmod | grep tun"
            there is nothing there
           
         
        
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          3282 [22:28:58] <emax0075> and "modprobe tun" fails. I
            am stumped
           
         
        
          3283 [22:29:04] <JordiGH> We've been slushy since November?
           
         
        
          3284 [22:29:05] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: I think you don't
            have tun until you establish a connection.
           
         
        
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          3287 [22:29:15] <missmbob> JordiGH: yes  
         
        
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          3289 [22:30:09] <emax0075> I cannot start openvpn, because it
            cannot open TUN
           
         
        
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          3291 [22:30:53] <emax0075> My error is: ERROR: Cannot open TUN/TAP
            dev /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted (errno=1)
           
         
        
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          3296 [22:33:47] <Poster> emax0075: If this is an OpenVZ based VPS,
            you may need to ask your VPS provider to enable it
           
         
        
          3297 [22:34:29] <emax0075> I should have mentioned that, thanks
            poster. I did enable it, but the issue persists
           
         
        
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          3299 [22:34:39] <Poster> have you rebooted the guest?
           
         
        
          3300 [22:34:44] <emax0075> yes  
         
        
          3301 [22:34:52] <Poster> ok and are you starting the daemon as
            root?
           
         
        
          3302 [22:35:11] <teraflops> emax0075: sometimes you can enable it
            from the admin panel
           
         
        
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          3306 [22:36:06] <emax0075> the openVPN daemon
           
         
        
          3307 [22:36:08] <emax0075> ?  
         
        
          3308 [22:36:14] <Poster> yeah  
         
        
          3309 [22:36:21] <emax0075> I did enable it from the admin panel,
            thank you teraflops
           
         
        
          3310 [22:36:30] <teraflops> emax0075: ah  
         
        
          3311 [22:36:31] <Poster> you can run it from the commandline with
            openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/whatever.conf
           
         
        
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          3314 [22:36:48] <emax0075> one sec poster  
         
        
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          3318 [22:39:14] <emax0075> I am starting the daemon as root
           
         
        
          3319 [22:39:30] <emax0075> at least I am right now, because of the
            permission denied error
           
         
        
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          3325 [22:40:42] <emax0075> I had create my
            "/dev/net/tun" using a guide on the internet
           
         
        
          3326 [22:41:11] <emax0075> If I modprobe tun, I get a nasty error
           
         
        
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          3328 [22:42:24] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: Sounds like something
            isn't right with the creation process.
           
         
        
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          3330 [22:42:48] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: That _should_ be handled
            by the package &or dependencies.
           
         
        
          3331 [22:43:14] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: I've only set up VPN
            a couple of times, but I never had to mess with devices.
           
         
        
          3332 [22:43:44] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: Which release? Standard
            debian repos?
           
         
        
          3333 [22:43:49] <c1a551f1ed> OpenVPN should be capable of creating
            the necessary device itself. I've never had to do so manually.
           
         
        
          3334 [22:44:00] <emax0075> debian 8, I htink
           
         
        
          3335 [22:44:14] <emax0075> deb 8.7  
         
        
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          3337 [22:44:41] <c1a551f1ed> And the tun driver and tunX
            interfaces are loaded whenever the process itself starts, not when a
            client connects.
           
         
        
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          3339 [22:44:50] <petn-randall> emax0075: Are you running some
            spin-off like raspbian?
           
         
        
          3340 [22:44:54] <emax0075> nope  
         
        
          3341 [22:45:02] <jhutchins_wk> claritty: Oh, right. Server side.
           
         
        
          3342 [22:45:05] <emax0075> it is on openVZ
           
         
        
          3343 [22:45:29] <emax0075> tun module doesn't exist
           
         
        
          3344 [22:45:41] <emax0075> let me recreate the VM
           
         
        
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          3347 [22:47:47] <jhutchins_wk> emax0075: Are you using a pre-built
            image?
           
         
        
          3348 [22:48:05] <emax0075> Nope. debain 8 x64 minimal
           
         
        
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          3350 [22:48:41] <missmbob> openvz is so old and crap
           
         
        
          3351 [22:48:43] <missmbob> "Deprecated in Debian (bug
            #574529) and not supported for the Debian 7"
           
         
        
          3352 [22:48:44] <judd> Bug
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3355 [22:49:26] <missmbob> you really should get a real vm
           
         
        
          3356 [22:49:43] <emax0075> but it's sooooo cheap
           
         
        
          3357 [22:49:57] <missmbob> and broken  
         
        
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          3362 [22:50:27] <Plushfish> Hi  
         
        
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          3366 [22:51:16] <Plushfish> I'm compiling a linux kernel from
            the original source (replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3367 [22:51:33] <missmbob> !kernel handbook
           
         
        
          3368 [22:51:33] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3369 [22:51:37] <missmbob> that way  
         
        
          3370 [22:52:06] <Plushfish> Well, I need a newer kernel
           
         
        
          3371 [22:52:12] <Plushfish> not the one in /usr/src/
           
         
        
          3372 [22:52:13] <missmbob> that's fine. read it
           
         
        
          3373 [22:52:17] <missmbob> it tells you how
           
         
        
          3374 [22:52:22] <Plushfish> Okay, thank you
           
         
        
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          3382 [22:55:51] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels  
         
        
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          3384 [22:56:18] <jhutchins_wk> I've run virtualbox on both
            Linux and Windows and been pretty impressed.
           
         
        
          3385 [22:56:24] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
            experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686
            (4.9.18-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports:
            4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
            (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
            (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
           
         
        
          3386 [22:56:46] <jhutchins_wk> Plushfish: What kernel do you need,
            and why?
           
         
        
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          3473 [23:42:12] <amflir> how stable is stretch for desktop usage?
           
         
        
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          3475 [23:42:43] <mutante> amflir: almost stable, it's already
            frozen
           
         
        
          3476 [23:43:13] <mutante> amflir: not much will change anymore
            before it offically becomes stable. totally do it for desktop
            i'd say at this point
           
         
        
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          3478 [23:46:11] <blackflow> amflir: I run stretch on my primary
            work desktop. No problems encountered, except NetworkManager not
            being able to connect to wifi (so I have to manually with
            wpa_supplicant).
           
         
        
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          3480 [23:46:41] <awal1> amflir, unstable and testing branches are
            always good for desktop usage, no production/work; almost if you
            avoid big DE, such as gnome, kde &cinnamon
           
         
        
          3481 [23:47:46] <awal1> I use unstable daily, home use, since 3
            years now, and all the time all fine
           
         
        
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          3483 [23:48:03] <awal1> well, almost 4 years :P
           
         
        
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          3486 [23:49:31] <awal1> no comparison with debian stability
            outside there
           
         
        
          3487 [23:49:55] <awal1> I heard that slackware is also stable
           
         
        
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          3489 [23:50:52] <teraflops> awal1: hmm I dont thing recommending
            sid is a good idea ;P
           
         
        
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          3491 [23:51:19] <awal1> ubuntu, archlinux,fedora...
            ↓↓↓
           
         
        
          3492 [23:51:37] <awal1> teraflops, well, he said for desktop usage
           
         
        
          3493 [23:51:46] <teraflops> awal1: well, stability whatever that
            means/implies
           
         
        
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          3496 [23:51:54] <awal1> if for desktop usage, home/daily use , why
            not
           
         
        
          3497 [23:52:02] <missmbob> no one who has to ask should be
            recommended unstable
           
         
        
          3498 [23:52:07] <jelly> good luck with your "stability"
            after the release
           
         
        
          3499 [23:52:14] <teraflops> missmbob: yeah
           
         
        
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          3501 [23:52:20] <code1o6> Is it possible to install ntop in kali
            linux?
           
         
        
          3502 [23:52:30] <abrotman> code1o6: there's a channel for
            Kali ,this isn't it
           
         
        
          3503 [23:52:44] <jelly> code1o6, probably, but ask in #kali-linux
           
         
        
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          3505 [23:54:25] <jelly> or it you already have, wait for their
            answer patiently
           
         
        
          3506 [23:54:54] <awal1> teraflops, well, personally I don't
            have the syndrome of bleeding edge
           
         
        
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          3508 [23:55:28] <awal1> amflir, I may be wrong yeah; people here
            are right: don't use testing/unstable if not used to them and
            have only one machine
           
         
        
          3509 [23:55:42] <code1o6> abrotman, I did already not response
           
         
        
          3510 [23:55:47] <abrotman> code1o6: then be patient
           
         
        
          3511 [23:56:02] <jelly> !kali  
         
        
          3512 [23:56:03] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3514 [23:56:14] <teraflops> awal1: yeah unless youre using git
            youre not bleeding edge
           
         
        
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          3519 [23:57:24] <code1o6> I feel i've been hacked cause it
            would appear it should be built in my os.
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          3520 [23:58:10] <teraflops> code1o6: your hacking distro was
            hacked?
           
         
        
          3521 [23:58:13] <teraflops> ^  
         
        
          3522 [23:58:15] <awal1> teraflops, well, I'm planning to
            leave unstable and run only stable in all my machines. that's
            bcoz I have no time for manage upgrades, bugs... and take care of my
            systems all the time. I'll switch to stretch when released
           
         
        
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          3524 [23:58:45] <code1o6> teraflops, lol It's only be up two
            days
           
         
        
          3525 [23:58:55] <code1o6> *been  
         
        
          3526 [23:58:57] <missmbob> code1o6: it's off topic here.
            you've been told already
           
         
        
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          3530 [23:59:26] <teraflops> awal1: stretch is fine I guess, but do
            not misunderstand what I said, it's just neither of those
            distros nor sid are bleeding edge
           
         
        
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