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• 4[00:03:16] <deadrom> does SAS still have an advantage over sATA?
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• 7[00:04:43] <Kobaz> more the hardware vs the protocol
• 8[00:04:49] <Kobaz> sas is generally high performance spinners
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• 13[00:06:39] <deadrom> does it give me an advantage in drive reliability?
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• 16[00:08:34] <Kobaz> depends on the hardware
• 17[00:08:42] <Kobaz> it's like saying, is a dell more reliable than hp
• 18[00:08:50] <Kobaz> it depends what's inside
• 19[00:08:51] <deadrom> Seagate Exos X X16 16TB ST16000NM001G and the SAS variant ST16000NM002G differ in almost nothing apart from the interface and roughly cost the same, 20 bucks difference for sata
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• 21[00:09:34] <deadrom> both 2.5mil hours mtbf, both 5 years warranty...
• 22[00:09:36] <Kobaz> that's going to be more of an interface difference
• 23[00:09:47] <Kobaz> you won't necessarily get anything better in sas vs sata
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• 25[00:10:06] <deadrom> hmmm. so I can spare me the extra controller.
• 26[00:10:44] <deadrom> today's onboard sata controller are pretty reliable, so I won't get much gain in the SAS thing I got lying here. plus it's an elderly sas 3gb/s
• 27[00:10:46] <Kobaz> honestly i would get one of the good ones listed here with low failures: replaced-url
• 28[00:10:58] <Kobaz> depends what you're doing
• 29[00:11:38] <adanisch> What's up guys
• 30[00:11:46] <deadrom> storing lots of videos, photos, music, documents on it and regularly backup
• 31[00:11:55] <deadrom> so it will be a media vault mostly
• 32[00:12:09] <Kobaz> if those things are important, do some raid, and set up another one offsite as a backup
• 33[00:12:21] <Kobaz> 12tb is a lot to lose on one drive
• 34[00:12:25] <Kobaz> 16 rather..
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• 36[00:12:37] <Kobaz> on those other ones you mentioned
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• 38[00:13:12] <deadrom> I got 6x3TB raid 5 with effectively 14TB now. so I'd like to go 16TB and use that server as rsync backup, which can run once a week overnight.
• 39[00:13:23] <sponix> Hello Debianites
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• 41[00:13:51] <nerdboy> howdy, i'm trying to figure out a packaging conundrum
• 42[00:14:04] <deadrom> is it me or does Seagate really not look good in that report?
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• 44[00:14:23] <adanisch> Most hard drive mft's advertise their max writes, but don't actually stop anywhere and let the drive fail naturally. Raid5 is a good idea.
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• 49[00:15:07] <nerdboy> one source builds 2 bin pkgs which should provide the same "thing" and conflict with other, each gets slightly different build flags and pkg name
• 50[00:15:33] <deadrom> raid 6 is a good idea. but only as backup. the idea is: let the big single disk on and tell that machine to wake up the backup server sunday nights, rsync, shut it down again
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• 56[00:16:44] <nerdboy> should that be done using build profile/extension namespace or is that not the "right way"?
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• 59[00:17:29] <nerdboy> build both pkgs by default is fine as long as the right makeflags get applied to each one
• 60[00:17:51] <nerdboy> seems like there should be an easy way to do that but i'm not seeing it...
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• 72[00:21:14] <nerdboy> no takers?
• 73[00:21:55] <adanisch> I was looking to package up some software myself but I found a link to a site and saw the DUST, now I'm not sure
• 74[00:22:23] <N4ch0m4n> hi
• 75[00:22:49] <adanisch> Hey N4ch0m4n
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• 77[00:24:05] <adanisch> Here's the software, if anyone wants to give it try - it's a quick awk-based filename colorizer think ls --color on steroids. replaced-url
• 78[00:24:41] <jim> nerdboy, would the resulting package get into debian?
• 79[00:25:04] <jim> or is it mostly just for convenience?
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• 98[00:36:44] <somiaj> adanisch: how does it determine color, does it do more than just file extensions?
• 99[00:38:36] <somiaj> adanisch: as in, could you do what you are doing with dircolors and a nicely defined dircolors file?
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• 106[00:43:47] <adanisch> Hi somiaj, what I'm doing is a bit more elaborate. It determines colors based on file extension name lookups in the system-wide config or user config (if it exists). The special formatting found in ls -F (classify) is supported so you can mimick most of what ls --color does if you wanted.
• 107[00:44:26] <adanisch> It's got a deb installer if you want to try it out, it's really difficult to stop using once you get used to it.
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• 115[00:48:36] <nerdboy> jim: this is mainly for testing right now
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• 117[00:50:05] <nerdboy> i just got an obsolete syntax error using !<pkg.$sourcepackage.$anything>
• 118[00:50:18] <jim> nerdboy, ok... there are two channels on irc.oftc.net that you might want to get to know... one, is #packaging, where you can get help with packaging issues whether the package would go into debian or not
• 119[00:50:32] <nerdboy> is there a new syntax for inhibiting one package?
• 120[00:51:21] <jim> nerdboy, the other chaannel is #mentors, and it's similar, but it's for helping with packaging, for packages which will go into debian
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• 130[00:54:27] <Unit193> nerdboy: It looks like you're talking about build profiles, something like replaced-url
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• 132[00:55:33] <somiaj> adanisch: ahh yea, I just use my own custom .dircolors file and ls --color, but it only works on extensions, it doesn't do anything with file or lookups for more complicated things. Though I think you can get some slighty more complicated things from it.
• 133[00:56:00] <somiaj> jim: #debian-mentors I belive, not #mentors
• 134[00:56:43] <Unit193> Correct.
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• 138[00:57:59] <nerdboy> thanks, that example was helpful... i think i got what i need for now
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• 140[00:58:48] <nerdboy> Unit193: ^^
• 141[00:59:02] <jim> somiaj, but #packaging?
• 142[00:59:03] <Unit193> nerdboy: One can also disable binary packages and change build rules (as also seen in chary)
• 143[00:59:06] <Unit193> jim: Yes.
• 144[00:59:33] <jim> ok, good to know
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• 146[00:59:50] <jim> (I think I tried to join #mentors there)
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• 148[01:01:02] <sponix> Unit193: you stalking me again ?
• 149[01:01:09] <Unit193> Pardon?
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• 152[01:01:20] <sponix> Unit193: just messing with ya :)
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• 154[01:02:04] <somiaj> jim: correct, because #packaging is debian indepednent, it could be about .debs in general (or at least I think that is the idea)
• 155[01:02:20] <Unit193> \o/
• 156[01:02:50] <jim> somiaj, any chance they also cover rpms, slackware pkgs, and snaps?
• 157[01:03:25] <sponix> jim: seems likely
• 158[01:03:34] <Unit193> Not really, "Get help with packaging for non-distro package repositories | #debian-mentors for packages for ftp.debian.org" but it doesn't technically restrict it.
• 159[01:03:55] * sponix is confused as always
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• 161[01:03:59] <somiaj> jim: probabaly not
• 162[01:04:10] <jim> ok
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• 164[01:04:49] <jim> had to ask the question, because the name seemed less restrictive
• 165[01:05:12] <Unit193> It does, and I don't think it's disallowed. I just doubt you'd get much of any response.
• 166[01:05:41] <jim> ok, good enough, all good to know
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• 170[01:07:35] <adanisch> somiaj: Yea, the dircolors will work for most filename coloring but not the more sophisticated fallback logic or recoloring output from pipelines.
• 171[01:08:01] <somiaj> the topic is Get help with packaging for non-distro package repositories | #debian-mentors for packages for ftp.debian.org -- though since it is on irc.oftc.net, I think .deb's are implied
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• 177[01:11:43] <adanisch> * Actually it looks like /bin/ls --color will recolor piped input.
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• 184[01:14:15] <somiaj> adanisch: cat ~/.bashrc | ls --color isn't working here
• 185[01:14:21] <somiaj> I mean isn't coloring the piped output here
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• 187[01:16:14] <adanisch> Try: find "$(pwd)" -maxdepth 1 -type f -printf "%T@\t%Tc %f\n" 2>/dev/random|sort -n|cut -f 2-|tail -50|/bin/ls --color
• 188[01:17:02] <ryouma> had no idea you could redirect to /dev/random OR pipe to ls
• 189[01:17:13] <somiaj> adanisch: what version of debian are you using?
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• 191[01:17:58] <somiaj> adanisch: because that also isn't working here
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• 194[01:18:29] <somiaj> adanisch: I'm on buster using coreutils 8.30-3
• 195[01:19:23] <adanisch> I'm on Ubuntu Eoan 19.10, coreutils 8.30-3ubuntu2
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• 198[01:20:11] <adanisch> What happens when you do: /bin/ls | /bin/ls --color
• 199[01:20:25] <warsoul> hi guys
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• 203[01:20:42] <warsoul> im trying to play a video and i cant listening
• 204[01:21:24] <sponix> warsoul: install pavucontrol run it, tinker as needed -> profit
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• 207[01:21:54] <somiaj> adanisch: /bin/ls ~ | /bin/ls --color -- that outputs my cwd, not my ~ dir
• 208[01:22:08] <somiaj> adanisch: seems the debian ls doens't work with pipe, but the ubuntu one does.
• 209[01:22:40] <warsoul> sponix, apt install pavucontrol ?
• 210[01:23:05] <adanisch> Somiaj, yes!! Thank god, I'm not crazy -- I knew there was a reason I wrote this, lol
• 211[01:23:05] <sponix> warsoul: yep, likely with "sudo" in front of apt
• 212[01:23:12] <warsoul> ok
• 213[01:23:16] <warsoul> then how i run it
• 214[01:24:06] <sponix> warsoul: look for it in the menu. type its name in the menu, run it from a terminal -- whatever :)
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• 217[01:26:33] <adanisch> Ubuntu ls does the same thing somiaj - it only colors the current directory for piped input without a directory specified
• 218[01:27:29] <warsoul> is installed
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• 220[01:27:32] <warsoul> volume is 100%
• 221[01:27:36] <warsoul> but is not working
• 222[01:28:19] <sponix> warsoul: look over this and see if you find a solution -> replaced-url
• 223[01:29:17] <warsoul> done fixed
• 224[01:29:18] <warsoul> thanks
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• 226[01:29:24] <adanisch> @warsoul you may want to check if your sink is muted via alsamixer (if you see MM hit m to unmute and up arrow to increase the volumes)
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• 236[01:36:11] <JackK> Does anyone have any idea what happened here? I used to be able to connect to this machine via ipv4. I pasted the part of the log where something went wrong. Now I can only connect via ipv6 locally and I can't connect to anything remote. replaced-url
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• 238[01:36:59] <JackK> It's just a machine running stretch that's used for Samba only.
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• 240[01:38:25] <mutante> JackK: well "enp24s0: link down" is a physical thing. it's like when an Ethernet cable gets pulled
• 241[01:38:53] <mutante> but then it connects again and comes back
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• 248[01:39:24] <JackK> The guy I set it up for has a really old switch.. I was wondering if it was related to that.
• 249[01:40:11] <mutante> maybe the cable is just barely in the switch port and touching it makes it wiggle a bit and disconnect
• 250[01:40:11] <somiaj> adanisch: LESSPIPE can color output which is becomming more common, though don't have it setup correctly here
• 251[01:40:14] <mutante> happens kind of a lot
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• 254[01:40:31] <JackK> I used teamviewer to connect to one of his windows machines and ssh'ed in via the netbios name. I rebooted the machine hoping it would come out of it. But it's the same.
• 255[01:40:51] <JackK> Weird that ipv6 works and not ipv4?
• 256[01:41:45] <JackK> Most of his computers can still connec to samba so I'm afraid to touch too much.. I'm 5 hours away and will be back in his area after thanksgiving.. Was just wondering what to look for when I get there.
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• 279[01:56:44] <adanisch> somiaj: Same here, I haven't used lesspipe much it looks pretty cool (I run Terminology and like the tycat command, when I'm not running Alacritty) but lesspipe allows for viewing various compressed files on the commandline, I've seen where you can add syntax highlighting but I haven't seen anything regarding colorizing filenames yet. replaced-url
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• 285[01:58:46] <swift110> hey all
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• 287[01:59:05] <gravelch> hi there, I am trying to setup a ssh server in order to be connected from remote client. I was able to do the routing stuff, since online tool like `canyouseeme.org` indicates the port is open. On the client side, it returns connection timed out. Is there any thing I miss?
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• 295[02:02:25] <gravelch> moreover, I could connect from local network just fine, but once I switched ISP w/ tether from my phone, it told me connection timed out.
• 296[02:03:12] <somiaj> gravelch: maybe your routes aren't setup correctly once you swtiched the network you are using.
• 297[02:03:26] <somiaj> gravelch: a reboot may fix things, you could also look at ip route output
• 298[02:03:58] <gravelch> somiaj: good idea, I've only tried restarting sshd.service
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• 365[02:47:37] <frustro> hi all, trying to install debian 10.2 on a vps with net install. My IP on the machine is public 89.x.x.x/32 yes a /32. my gateway is 10.255.255.1 in this evironment. It\s refusing to go past the gateway entry because its an "unreachable network" which is false/. DHCP for wan works on full ISO, apt rep still fails and I have to add to sources.list after full install.
• 366[02:48:09] <frustro> the ip\s are correct, the routeting is funky prom wan ip to a "lan"ip but that is the gateway and it is reachable.
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• 368[02:48:34] <frustro> any workaround other than installing full then editing repo and updating? no way to install from a netinstall with this setup?
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• 370[02:50:05] <frustro> I've tried graphical and regular and even low memory mode. is there anyway to set an iproute for any any to 10.2255.255.1?
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• 381[02:58:59] <allizom> frustro: can you get a shell? replaced-url
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• 464[03:46:42] <oxek> my networkmanager is unable to connect to wifi
• 465[03:47:02] <oxek> everything worked when manually editing /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpasupplicant/wpasupplicant.conf
• 466[03:47:12] <oxek> I have removed both of the manually created files
• 467[03:47:16] <oxek> and restarted the system
• 468[03:47:44] <oxek> but when I select the wifi network using the icon in taskbar, it prompts for password, I enter the correct password, and then after a while it just fails
• 469[03:47:51] <oxek> journalctl is not very helpful
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• 471[03:48:17] <sponix> oxek: if it was working with those files in place... umm, why the hell did you remove them and try something else ?
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• 474[03:48:53] <oxek> sponix: because this is a laptop, and I want to be able to easily switch between wifi networks when on the move
• 475[03:49:06] <oxek> that's supposed to be done easily using network manager
• 476[03:49:14] <oxek> whereas doing it manually is painful
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• 478[03:49:22] <sponix> but effective
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• 480[03:49:46] <oxek> more like error prone, and it requires root access
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• 482[03:50:54] <oxek> there are possibly two interesting lines in journalctl:
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• 485[03:51:10] <oxek> kernel: wlx...: authenticated
• 486[03:51:34] <oxek> kernel: wlx...: aboritng authentication with ... by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)
• 487[03:51:57] <oxek> don't know what that means
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• 490[03:54:07] <dvs> oxek, Wait, you removed the /etc/network/interfaces file entirely?
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• 493[03:55:41] <oxek> dvs: I removed the manually added entries for wlx...
• 494[03:55:46] <oxek> the file is still there
• 495[03:55:59] <dvs> ah
• 496[03:56:13] <whislock> Why are we ellipsising everything?
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• 498[03:56:25] <oxek> and it only contains the loopback device
• 499[03:56:25] <dvs> as in....?
• 500[03:56:35] <oxek> whislock: because the device name is wlx34507306702836owersfgsfga4ytw
• 501[03:56:35] <dvs> oxek, good
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• 504[03:56:46] <whislock> Oh, those fun things. Right. :)
• 505[03:56:53] <oxek> indeed
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• 509[03:57:23] <oxek> it's a usb wifi stick
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• 513[04:01:56] <nerdboy> hmm, finally seems to work with a --destdir override, except in the case of the secondary package name it leaves destdir contents in debian/ and then fails on the "normal" build
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• 515[04:02:20] <nerdboy> is there an extra clean command for that in override_dh_auto_install?
• 516[04:03:07] <nerdboy> nm, i think i see it
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• 530[04:16:09] <oxek> well I'll be damned
• 531[04:16:25] <oxek> apparently, gnome-keyring is required to mount usb flashdrives...
• 532[04:16:29] <oxek> who would have thought...
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• 571[04:47:48] <oxek> I managed to get the journalctl: replaced-url
• 572[04:47:55] <oxek> can anyone see any reason why the wifi is not working?
• 573[04:48:07] <swift110> no
• 574[04:48:20] <dvs> nope
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• 612[05:31:03] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello all
• 613[05:31:29] <dvs> eh?
• 614[05:31:42] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, is there any directory where I can list installed packages via files/databases on the directory rather than using the apt subsytem?
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• 644[06:04:59] <jhyd> is debian going to adopt bugzilla and other normal communication tools?
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• 646[06:05:42] <Unit193> After more than a decade on the BTS? Not likely.
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• 652[06:10:14] <ealfonso> My apt-get {update,install} is stuck at "Connecting to httpredir.debian.org". I've tried changing sources.list to use ftp.us.debian.org, to no avail.
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• 655[06:11:14] <Unit193> While ftp.us.debian.org should work, deb.debian.org is the preferred one now.
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• 658[06:12:54] <ealfonso> great. that works. thanks Unit193
• 659[06:13:03] <Unit193> Oh, nice.
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• 791[08:10:19] <Meepsheep> replaced-url
• 792[08:10:19] <Meepsheep> LISTEN TO SOME CACTUS MUSIC & CHILL OUT
• 793[08:10:19] <Meepsheep> :^)
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• 819[08:27:35] <xormor> how do I use this? --> "ii linux-image-amd64 4.19+105+deb10u1 amd64 Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)"
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• 822[08:27:59] <xormor> how do I use linux-image-amd64 meta-package as my kernel, activated and in active use?
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• 824[08:28:19] <xormor> Linux debianvakaa 5.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.2.17-1~bpo10+1 (2019-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 826[08:28:27] <Habbie> you installed a backports kernel
• 827[08:28:33] <xormor> Habbie, yes.
• 828[08:28:38] <Habbie> you'll have to undo that, or tell grub to prefer the 4.19 kernel
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• 830[08:28:51] <xormor> Habbie, yes. I have another 4.19 kernel as well.
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• 832[08:29:25] <xormor> "vmlinuz-4.19.0-6-amd64"
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• 834[08:29:33] <xormor> I will boot and show you.
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• 839[08:32:04] <xormor> Linux debianvakaa 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u2 (2019-11-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 840[08:33:20] <Habbie> yes
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• 842[08:33:41] <Habbie> the 'linux-image-amd64 4.19+105+deb10u1' metapackage depends on that one
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• 845[08:34:10] <xormor> "$ dpkg -l|grep linux-image-amd64 --> ii linux-image-amd64 4.19+105+deb10u1 amd64 Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package) ii linux-image-amd64-signed-template 4.19.67-2+deb10u2 amd64 Template for signed linux-image packages for amd64"
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• 848[08:34:23] <xormor> Habbie, so do I get to run the meta-package?
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• 850[08:34:28] <Habbie> the meta package contains nothing
• 851[08:34:33] <xormor> Habbie, ok.
• 852[08:34:45] <xormor> Habbie, so how come it has a version number in it?
• 853[08:34:52] <xormor> Habbie, is it useless?
• 854[08:34:55] <Habbie> no
• 855[08:35:04] <Habbie> hold on, i will show you
• 856[08:35:23] <Habbie> replaced-url
• 857[08:35:28] <Habbie> this is the version history for the metapackage
• 858[08:35:39] <Habbie> 105 depends on 4.19.0-6
• 859[08:35:49] <Habbie> 104 depended on 4.19.0-4
• 860[08:35:54] <Habbie> and so on
• 861[08:36:12] <Habbie> then your question might be
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• 863[08:36:17] <Habbie> why doesn't the kernel package just get a new version
• 864[08:36:28] <Habbie> but because each actual kernel package is a separate package
• 865[08:36:33] <Habbie> you can keep old kernels installed
• 866[08:36:36] <Habbie> in case new kernels break
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• 869[08:36:40] <Habbie> that is what the metapackage gives you
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• 871[08:36:57] <jm_> the idea behind the kernel meta package is you install that and automatically get the latest version via it
• 872[08:37:08] <xormor> jm_, thank you.
• 873[08:37:24] <jm_> no problem
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• 877[08:39:30] <xormor> Habbie, yes. I have 2 kernels installed just to be sure. Both are "signed". I usually use the "standard", the non-backports one. And I have a 5.x bpo kernel for keeping, because I think it "might" have some features I "might" need. But I have not noticed many differences between kernels, because they are compatible and all work. They do not break software, hardware. Sometimes some drivers for older hardware are left out from the newer kernels.
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• 879[08:40:50] <Habbie> i also feel no difference between the 4.19 and the bpo
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• 885[08:43:34] <xormor> Habbie, me neither. it would be a different case if there were kernel panics. but there are none. I have not gotten a kernel panic for 10 years.
• 886[08:45:23] <xormor> Habbie, when I was younger I was stupider and broke the GNU/Linux systems manually because I did dangerous things. And I and my father were let down by the Ubuntu upgrades, so he wanted Windows. So I got the mini eeepc from him for free and installed Debian on it, instead. I was not thinking of giving Debian for him to use. Should've installed Mint on it, but was not that knowledgeable back then. "Plain vanilla Ubuntu"==no good, Debian stable==very
• 887[08:45:23] <xormor> good.
• 888[08:46:04] <xormor> I think Debian stable is the best desktop system.
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• 890[08:46:27] <xormor> I am not too excited by Chromebox nor Raspberry Pi.
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• 892[08:47:30] <xormor> Yeah, they are small-size but they have their quirks, even though they *do* run some version of Debian, often oldstable (stretch, 9). I prefer the newest stable, the current one, always. Now it is 10, "buster", 10.2 to be exact.
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• 895[08:50:02] <xormor> Linux version 4.19.0-6-amd64 (debian-kernel@replaced-ip) (gcc version 8.3.0 (Debian 8.3.0-6)) #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u2 (2019-11-11)
• 896[08:50:56] <xormor> 10.2
• 897[08:51:06] <xormor> Linux debianvakaa 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u2 (2019-11-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1059[10:28:29] <marek> sorry for my ignorance - but are debian packages which are being installed checked by gpg signatures by default?
• 1060[10:28:41] <Habbie> marek, indirectly
• 1061[10:28:54] <Habbie> marek, the list of package hashes is gpg signed
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• 1128[11:20:12] <rdz> hey all. when "install recommends" is not disabled, are recommended packages of reommended packages also installed?
• 1129[11:20:19] <rdz> or only the first level of recommended packages?
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• 1132[11:22:19] <oxek> everything recommended for all packages to be installed
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• 1168[11:43:19] <rdz> oxek, thanks
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• 1177[11:53:50] <oxek> rdz: you can always test it by doing a simulated apt install: `apt -s install <packagename>`
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• 1187[12:03:31] <g105b> Morning folks, I want to encrypt my home directory. I found this documentation: replaced-url
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• 1189[12:05:57] <cookie4700> g105b, you could use LUKS
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• 1191[12:06:41] <g105b> cookie4700: does that have to be done during installation?
• 1192[12:07:17] <cookie4700> g105b, no, I found an article where it's done and explained when the whole OS is installed: replaced-url
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• 1194[12:07:34] <g105b> Interesting, let me give that a read.
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• 1197[12:09:10] <g105b> Ah, looks like my Debian's default installation didn't create a partition for /home, so I will need to reinstall.
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• 1205[12:14:57] <moistmoskito> hello debian
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• 1213[12:16:45] <g105b> Hello moist
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• 1217[12:18:52] <moistmoskito> 3 days no updates. i am starting to see some of the perks of debian
• 1218[12:19:36] <moistmoskito> i think i found my new distro
• 1219[12:20:12] <Fox> that's why stable is called stable
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• 1221[12:20:26] <moistmoskito> yea its what made me move from arch
• 1222[12:20:49] * grisher cries in sid
• 1223[12:21:20] <moistmoskito> as much as i love the aur.... it began to not be worth the process
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• 1225[12:22:03] <moistmoskito> i also researched some of the structure and noticed packages are configured with sane defaults that meld nice together
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• 1233[12:28:08] <g105b> I'm feeling like a total newbie. I haven't had to install Debian for a few years, but since yesterday, something updated with nvidia graphics and I thought enough was enough - reinstall time.
• 1234[12:28:46] <g105b> However, I simply can't install using LUKS... every time I pick the option, I get "There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM..."
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• 1236[12:29:03] <ratrace> g105b: so instead of only potentially reinstalling just nvidia, you for some reason opted for total system reinstallation?
• 1237[12:29:13] <docker1843as36> I have a problem with file permissions on a Debian-based Docker image... Is this channel appropriate place to ask this question?
• 1238[12:29:14] <g105b> ratrace: exactly.
• 1239[12:29:27] <ratrace> like throwing not only baby, but the mom and dad and the whole house, out with the bathwater :)
• 1240[12:29:43] <g105b> It felt like the right time - years of random packages being installed, I like a fresh start once in a while.
• 1241[12:29:47] <g105b> I see your point though.
• 1242[12:30:19] <ratrace> oh I can agree with installing fresh, instead of upgrading, from time to time on new releases.
• 1243[12:30:24] <g105b> docker1843as36: give it a go, we don't know what your question is so don't know whether it's possible to answer yet.
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• 1245[12:31:04] <moistmoskito> g105b: strange i got no nvidia update
• 1246[12:31:20] <g105b> I have an ubuntu desktop and it was affected too.
• 1247[12:31:28] <g105b> Probably depends on what gfx card?
• 1248[12:31:41] <g105b> I'm not looking for answers, just ranting I guess...
• 1249[12:31:46] <ratrace> yeah there's several nvidia packages
• 1250[12:32:04] <docker1843as36> Thanks, here is the question link (in order not to dump it here): replaced-url
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• 1254[12:32:42] <ratrace> docker1843as36: that has nothing to do with debian, it's purely docker config question
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• 1257[12:34:39] <docker1843as36> I'm not sure... It runs Debian... and there is nothing in Docker that should cause such behavior
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• 1262[12:35:47] <docker1843as36> Are there any Debian/Docker ninjas around to generate/run image from that file and tell me whether they face the same?... Thanks...
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• 1264[12:36:21] <moistmoskito> g105b: you verify integrity of the iso?
• 1265[12:37:26] <moistmoskito> just curious cause i didn't have that issue
• 1266[12:37:54] <cookie4700> docker1843as36: why don't you just use a RUN chown replaced-url
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• 1274[12:42:03] <rabbitear_g> replaced-url
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• 1280[12:43:20] <docker1843as36> cookie4700: I do it... take a look on the last line of the Dockerfile... or is it wrong...?
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• 1282[12:44:46] <cookie4700> docker1843as36: you are executing a set of commands with '&&', if one fails, the last won't be executed
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• 1284[12:45:22] <cookie4700> docker1843as36: i can't verify it here, it's just a tought i got
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• 1286[12:45:34] <docker1843as36> cookie4700: could you, please, build image from that Dockerfile and see whether you get the same problem? (use whatever files for the copy command)...
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• 1291[12:45:53] <docker1843as36> ok
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• 1293[12:46:31] <docker1843as36> I think I tried it without && ... but i'll recheck... thank you...
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• 1347[13:24:57] <docker1843as36> cookie4700: it didn't work :(
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• 1373[13:49:31] <moistmoskito> debian has no wine staging aye?
• 1374[13:50:45] <jm_> wine-development provides newer version
• 1375[13:51:01] <moistmoskito> wine-development is staging essentially then?
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• 1377[13:51:20] <jm_> it's a newer version of wine, apologies if that's not what you meant
• 1378[13:51:48] <moistmoskito> no its fine... wine-staging has some options neccessary for certain steam games in proton....
• 1379[13:52:31] <jm_> ahh I see, it's even newer version
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• 1381[13:53:37] <towo^work> proton does not use wine-staging
• 1382[13:54:13] <towo^work> so "wine-staging has some options neccessary for certain steam games in proton" does not make many sense
• 1383[13:54:52] <oerheks> all info is here replaced-url
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• 1391[13:57:43] <realsifo> hello
• 1392[13:58:18] <realsifo> questin : why i can not run performous game in debian 10 plasma?
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• 1398[14:05:47] <moistmoskito> towo^work: really?
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• 1401[14:06:02] <moistmoskito> does it use standard wine on debian?
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• 1403[14:06:10] <towo^work> moistmoskito, proton runtime is shoipped with steam
• 1404[14:06:32] <towo^work> moistmoskito, there is no relation to any wine version installed on the system
• 1405[14:06:43] <moistmoskito> thats different than arch okay thank you
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• 1407[14:06:46] <towo^work> you does not need wine at all installed in debian
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• 1409[14:07:39] <moistmoskito> the aur had a more up to date version of proton straight from github... so i have been used to installing wine-staging for use of vulkan in steam games
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• 1431[14:25:09] <oxek> in case anyone remembers this issue I had replaced-url
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• 1433[14:25:31] <oxek> apparently, NetworkManager on debian enables MAC address randomization during scanning by default
• 1434[14:25:39] <oxek> and it breaks on bad devices like mine
• 1435[14:25:46] <oxek> solution was to disable that functionality
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• 1469[14:42:22] <xparanoik> lost my ssh session during apt-get dist-upgrade from 9 to 10... i see /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 21 --configure --pending is running, any way to recover the output of that ?
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• 1473[14:45:43] <xparanoik> i guess i should have used tmux
• 1474[14:45:54] <fiet> xparanoik: You should run that inside a screen or tmux session
• 1475[14:46:05] <xparanoik> yeah it's my fault
• 1476[14:46:14] <xparanoik> i ran it straight on putty
• 1477[14:46:15] <fiet> You can try and start over
• 1478[14:46:35] <xparanoik> can I kill that dpkg process and just try apt-get dist-upgrade again?
• 1479[14:46:45] <fiet> It's still running?
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• 1481[14:47:16] <xparanoik> yeah
• 1482[14:47:17] <xparanoik> root 30447 0.1 0.0 12212 6016 pts/1 Ss+ 07:31 0:01 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 21 --configure --pending
• 1483[14:47:47] <xparanoik> root 25838 0.1 0.3 94968 53276 ? S 07:13 0:03 apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 1485[14:47:59] <xparanoik> these processes are running still
• 1486[14:48:08] <fiet> And is it actually doing anything? Do you see activity in htop?
• 1487[14:48:50] <xparanoik> no I don't, it's idle probably waiting for an input (like if I want to restart affected services, etc)
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• 1490[14:50:48] <xparanoik> I might just kill the apt process and try apt -f install
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• 1492[14:51:00] <xparanoik> although i probably have to kill dpkg also
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• 1501[14:54:52] <xparanoik> so, did that and ran dpkg --configure -a - looks like it picked up from where it had stopped.. i guess i will find out if there were issues after reboot
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• 1513[15:00:50] <oxek> following up from my issue, I suggest /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/no-mac-addr-change.conf has the driver rt73usb added
• 1514[15:01:14] <oxek> I am unable to submit a bugreport though
• 1515[15:01:47] <Unit193> Telling an IRC support channel is unlikely to see a fix.
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• 1577[15:43:39] <mason> ,s/r/s/
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• 1579[15:43:43] <mason> ,w
• 1580[15:43:44] <mason> ,q
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• 1586[15:46:27] <mason> Sorry, that should have been ,wq - I could have sworn they could exist independently. Maybe GNU ed is different, but more likely I'm just misremembering.
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• 1590[15:47:32] <mason> oh, q doesn't take a range
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• 1655[16:34:03] <Akuw> is there any performance problem when use NTP in a virtual machine_
• 1656[16:34:14] <Akuw> ?
• 1657[16:34:38] <greycat> Generally you *cannot* do that. At least not with containers. Full-blown machine emulators, maybe.
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• 1659[16:35:03] <jelly> Akuw: sometimes it does not work (well)
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• 1661[16:35:15] <greycat> If you're on a container and your clock is wrong, you have to contact the provider to get them to fix it. You cannot change your system clock.
• 1662[16:35:21] <greycat> (BTDT)
• 1663[16:35:22] <jelly> but I don't remember any _performance_ problems.
• 1664[16:35:46] <Akuw> jelly: hi
• 1665[16:35:49] <Akuw> jelly: ok
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• 1715[17:03:34] <ArchMaverick> I'm experiencing slow download but fast upload speeds on wifi
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• 1717[17:03:40] <ArchMaverick> does anyone know why
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• 1719[17:03:46] <ArchMaverick> It's not a network problem
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• 1721[17:03:58] <Habbie> how do you know it's not a network problem?
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• 1723[17:04:39] <ArchMaverick> because I have another distro that works fine
• 1724[17:05:14] <greycat> Then it's probably missing firmware.
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• 1731[17:07:12] <ArchMaverick> wifi didn't work at first then I installed replaced-url
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• 1745[17:10:54] <ArchMaverick> does anyone know why
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• 1749[17:13:08] <wsky> dmseg | grep brcm
• 1750[17:13:31] <ArchMaverick> What?
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• 1752[17:13:52] <wsky> show output of that command of a pastebin
• 1753[17:14:10] <ArchMaverick> it does nothing
• 1754[17:14:31] <wsky> use root account to run it
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• 1756[17:15:10] <greycat> it should've given a nice error message if the permissions were wrong, rather than "nothing"
• 1757[17:15:11] <ArchMaverick> Still says dmseg command not found
• 1758[17:15:26] <greycat> you're spelling it wrong, and "dmseg command not found" is NOT "nothing"
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• 1762[17:15:44] <greycat> Ah, wsky spelled it wrong first.
• 1763[17:15:45] <greycat> It's dmesg.
• 1764[17:15:49] <wsky> dmesg
• 1765[17:15:52] <wsky> yep
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• 1773[17:18:47] <ArchMaverick> got it
• 1774[17:18:48] <ArchMaverick> replaced-url
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• 1778[17:19:26] <wsky> then greycat was right, you're missing firmware
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• 1780[17:19:39] <ArchMaverick> which firmware
• 1781[17:19:47] <greycat> whichever one dmesg says is missing
• 1782[17:19:59] <wsky> firmware-brcm80211 is the package is you're looking for
• 1783[17:20:02] <wsky> install it and reboot
• 1784[17:20:10] <greycat> [ 18.864099] brcmsmac bcma0:1: Direct firmware load for brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw failed with error -2
• 1785[17:20:15] <greycat> ,file brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw
• 1786[17:20:21] <judd> Search for brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw in buster/amd64: firmware-brcm80211: lib/firmware/brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw
• 1787[17:20:27] <greycat> (as wsky said)
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• 1792[17:23:15] <ArchMaverick> I found this replaced-url
• 1793[17:23:32] <wsky> use pat to install it
• 1794[17:23:46] <wsky> apt*
• 1795[17:23:57] <wsky> apt-get install firmware-brcm80211 (as root)
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• 1797[17:24:08] <ArchMaverick> ok got it
• 1798[17:24:12] <greycat> you might have to enable non-free and contrib sources, if that hasn't been done yet
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• 1803[17:25:01] <ArchMaverick> Yeah I haven't done that
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• 1805[17:25:32] <ArchMaverick> Nevermind
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• 1807[17:25:53] <ArchMaverick> It says that the firmware is already the newest version
• 1808[17:26:01] <roycroft> hello, folks
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• 1811[17:26:28] <roycroft> coming from a bsd universe, i'm not well-versed on systemd/sysv init, but i think that's a contributor to my problem
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• 1813[17:26:41] <wsky> then you might need a newver package version
• 1814[17:26:53] <roycroft> i am rebuilding a machine using a different hypervisor, so i'm not just upgrading it - i'm rebuilding from scratch
• 1815[17:26:54] <greycat> ArchMaverick: are you on Debian 10 (buster)?
• 1816[17:26:57] <ArchMaverick> I need to enable non contrib for buster
• 1817[17:26:59] <ArchMaverick> yeah
• 1818[17:27:13] <roycroft> the old machine was running stretch, and i'm rebuilding on buster, using the changelog i used to build the old one
• 1819[17:28:07] <roycroft> things were fine until i installed git-all, after which logins would hang for about a minute, su would hang for as long, and services like nagios and amanda on other machines would timeout trying to connect
• 1820[17:28:30] <roycroft> what i see is a lot of this in /var/log/syslog: "System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate."
• 1821[17:28:51] <roycroft> and, of course, systemctl fails for that reason
• 1822[17:28:52] <Haohmaru> i'm having very weird crashes with a certain program on one debian10 installation, and i don't seem to be getting them on another setup
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• 1824[17:29:26] <Haohmaru> is there some quick way to compare the installed files (like, executibles and .so) for maybe corruption?
• 1825[17:29:35] <roycroft> so i'm thinking that the installation of git-all changed how the system boots - i'll try to absorb any clues that any of you might beat into me
• 1826[17:29:48] <Haohmaru> or just reinstall them over (but without messing up the configs)
• 1827[17:30:12] <greycat> roycroft: I really doubt git-all changed your init system. Must've been something else you did.
• 1828[17:30:41] <roycroft> greycat: while i know that correlation is not causation, the behavior changed immediately after the git-all install
• 1829[17:31:01] <roycroft> however, that said, i really don't care what caused it
• 1830[17:31:11] <greycat> roycroft: cat /proc/1/comm and ls -l /sbin/init
• 1831[17:31:37] <roycroft> i don't understand exactly what happened
• 1832[17:31:38] <roycroft> # cat /proc/1/comm
• 1833[17:31:39] <roycroft> init
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• 1835[17:31:45] <roycroft> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 53016 Feb 14 2019 /sbin/init
• 1836[17:31:59] <roycroft> hopefully such short pastes don't require pastebin
• 1837[17:32:04] <greycat> At some point, you switched the init system from systemd to sysv.
• 1838[17:32:05] <roycroft> anything longer and i'll certainly use it
• 1839[17:32:12] <greycat> roycroft: no, that was perfect
• 1840[17:32:14] <roycroft> greycat: *i* did not
• 1841[17:32:18] <roycroft> aptitude may have
• 1842[17:32:40] <roycroft> but regardless of what happened
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• 1844[17:32:55] <roycroft> 1. could that have caused the delays in logging in, etc?
• 1845[17:33:08] <roycroft> and 2. does it really matter if i'm using systemd or sysv init?
• 1846[17:33:33] <greycat> If you're going to run buster with sysv instead of systemd, you might have to install an alternative logind or something. Even then it's pretty sketchy, IMHO.
• 1847[17:33:36] <roycroft> and 3., i suppose, if it does and i should be using systemd, how do i switch back?
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• 1849[17:33:57] <greycat> To switch back, uh... maybe "apt-get install systemd"? I don't know, almost nobody asks how to do this.
• 1850[17:34:08] <roycroft> yeah, it's a pretty weird thing
• 1851[17:34:21] <roycroft> systemd is already installed
• 1852[17:34:27] <roycroft> so that won't do it
• 1853[17:34:41] <roycroft> i'd think that update-alternatives would not handle init
• 1854[17:34:47] <roycroft> since init happens first thing
• 1855[17:34:53] <roycroft> but mayhap ..
• 1856[17:35:28] <roycroft> no, it does not seem to
• 1857[17:35:46] <greycat> roycroft: if systemd is already installed... then maybe you booted with a kernel parameter that overrode it?
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• 1859[17:35:56] <greycat> roycroft: cat /proc/cmdline
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• 1864[17:36:34] <roycroft> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.19.0-6-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/noc--vg-root ro quiet
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• 1867[17:37:12] <greycat> roycroft: nope, wasn't that...
• 1868[17:37:36] <roycroft> i'm googling, but as you say, this is unusual
• 1869[17:37:54] <roycroft> teh google talks a lot about converting from systemd to sysv, but not at all about doing it vice-versa
• 1870[17:38:04] <roycroft> maybe uninstalling sysv init would do it
• 1871[17:38:15] <greycat> you'll want to be REALLY careful here
• 1872[17:38:18] <roycroft> yes
• 1873[17:38:24] <roycroft> and i can't afford to hose this machine at the moment
• 1874[17:38:44] <roycroft> even though it's still in staging, i've put some data on it that i need to retain
• 1875[17:38:49] <roycroft> and backups failed last night because of this problem
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• 1877[17:39:09] <roycroft> so i'll have to manually back up that stuff before i do something scary like muck with init
• 1878[17:39:11] <greycat> roycroft: does /lib/systemd/systemd exist and appear to be a program, about 1.5 MB or so?
• 1879[17:39:27] <roycroft> yes
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• 1881[17:39:56] <greycat> roycroft: OK, that's good, but then the question is why /sbin/init is a separate program, rather than symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd which is the normal thing
• 1882[17:39:57] <roycroft> it's just under 1.5MB, and is a stripped 64-bit elf executable
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• 1885[17:41:04] <greycat> judd file /sbin/init
• 1886[17:41:09] <judd> Search for /sbin/init in buster/amd64: runit-init: sbin/init; sysvinit-core: sbin/init; systemd-sysv: sbin/init
• 1887[17:41:24] <greycat> so, it seems you've installed sysvinit-core
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• 1889[17:41:35] <greycat> I don't know if *removing* that is safe
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• 1893[17:42:30] <roycroft> hmm, i just did apt-get -y install systemd-sysv, per a link i found, and that appears to have "fixed" the problem
• 1894[17:42:31] <roycroft> ls -l /sbin/init
• 1895[17:42:31] <roycroft> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Oct 16 06:24 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
• 1896[17:42:39] <greycat> cool.
• 1897[17:42:42] <roycroft> however, i'm going to back up the stuff i need before i reboot
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• 1900[17:45:24] <roycroft> that fixed it
• 1901[17:45:28] <greycat> excellent
• 1902[17:45:36] <roycroft> however, mariadb did not start
• 1903[17:45:40] <roycroft> so i'll have to deal with that
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• 1905[17:46:21] <greycat> "journalctl -u mariadb" as root might be helpful
• 1906[17:46:26] <roycroft> that should be easier to fix than init
• 1907[17:46:41] <roycroft> yeah, i'm looking at that now
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• 1909[17:47:57] <roycroft> it's rude of a package to change init like that :)
• 1910[17:48:11] <roycroft> i need to go look at aptitude logs to see for sure what exactly happened
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• 1912[17:48:45] <roycroft> but first mariadb
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• 1916[17:50:39] <roycroft> so i get this:
• 1917[17:50:45] <roycroft> mariadb.service: Failed to determine group credentials: No such process
• 1918[17:50:51] <roycroft> mariadb.service: Failed at step GROUP spawning /usr/bin/install: No such process
• 1919[17:51:24] <roycroft> that indicates that mariadb is trying to use some external authentication protocol, no?
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• 1921[17:52:51] <greycat> is your "mysql" user defined in /etc/passwd, or in some network database?
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• 1923[17:53:06] <roycroft> it's in /etc/passwd
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• 1925[17:53:17] <roycroft> and mariadb was working before the init issue
• 1926[17:53:22] <greycat> does "id mysql" give sane output?
• 1927[17:53:29] <roycroft> yes
• 1928[17:53:39] <roycroft> its groups are weird
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• 1930[17:53:47] <greycat> Google gave me replaced-url
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• 1932[17:54:21] <greycat> weird, how?
• 1933[17:54:40] <roycroft> it's in group nagios, not group mysql
• 1934[17:54:50] <roycroft> and there is no mysql group
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• 1937[17:55:01] <roycroft> that may be due to a packag clash
• 1938[17:55:05] <roycroft> package
• 1939[17:55:21] <greycat> yeah, that sounds like a problem. I'd probably just make a mysql group by hand, and adjust the passwd file.
• 1940[17:55:27] <roycroft> and systemctl daemon-reexec did not work
• 1941[17:55:32] <roycroft> yes, that's what i'm doing
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• 1943[17:55:40] <roycroft> and i'll chgrp the stuff in /var/lib/mysql
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• 1945[17:57:35] <roycroft> yeah, aptitude is not behaving well - i see multiple groups with the same gid, and i did not add any of them myself
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• 1950[18:00:41] <roycroft> and it starts after fixing the group
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• 1953[18:01:42] <roycroft> when i finish rebuilding this machine i'll try to reproduce the problem on a scratch vm and report it to the package maintainers
• 1954[18:02:46] <roycroft> i just rebooted and everything starts properly at boot, so i think i'm through this particular problem
• 1955[18:02:48] <roycroft> thanks for the pointers
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• 1961[18:04:24] <roycroft> i think when i'm finished rebuilding this machine i should also finally learn more about how systemd works
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• 1964[18:04:56] <roycroft> since i have a whole datacenter full of machines, almost all of which are running debian now
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• 1967[18:07:16] <afidegnum> what do i do to such error ? dpkg-statoverride: warning: --update given but /var/lib/courier/tmp does not exist
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• 1979[18:10:24] <Ankman> afidegnum: you could create that/these directory. owner might need to be root
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• 1987[18:15:08] <thnee> I am running debian testing in a virtualbox VM. When the RAM runs out, it goes into some kind of super long swapping procedure that completely freezes everything for several minutes. Why is it taking so long? That can't be normal..
• 1988[18:15:24] <dob1> how can I remove lines by a pattern?
• 1989[18:15:33] <dob1> remove not change them
• 1990[18:15:43] <greycat> grep -v 'bad pattern' oldfile > newfile
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• 1992[18:16:14] <roycroft> sed s/foo//g file
• 1993[18:16:35] <dob1> sed will leave empty lines imho
• 1994[18:16:43] <dob1> greycat, I am not able to use it
• 1995[18:16:45] <roycroft> actually, you want to remove whole lines
• 1996[18:17:27] <roycroft> sed /foo/d file
• 1997[18:17:37] <roycroft> that will do it
• 1998[18:17:42] <roycroft> and won't leave empty lines
• 1999[18:17:56] <roycroft> if that's really what you're asking
• 2000[18:18:02] <greycat> if you're not able to use grep, then you're not able to use sed either
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• 2002[18:18:12] <roycroft> that will delete any line that contains the string foo
• 2003[18:18:47] <roycroft> greycat: i'm not suggesting that my proposed solution is the only one, or even the superior one
• 2004[18:18:50] <roycroft> it's one way of doing it
• 2005[18:18:52] <roycroft> yours is another
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• 2008[18:19:07] <greycat> 12:16 dob1> greycat, I am not able to use it
• 2009[18:19:08] <dob1> greycat, |grep -v "-------------------------------------------------"
• 2010[18:19:15] <greycat> dob1: --
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• 2012[18:19:26] <roycroft> and there is a myriad of other methods
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• 2014[18:19:46] <greycat> grep -v -- "--pattern that starts with a hyphen"
• 2015[18:20:06] <roycroft> the first step would be this: man 7 regex
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• 2017[18:20:52] <dob1> it works now, thanks
• 2018[18:20:56] <greycat> !--
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• 2020[18:20:56] <dpkg> i guess -- is commonly the end of arguments delimiter for GNU or GNU like utilities. It disambiguates between a literal "--" and arguments. Eg, rm -- --help will remove "--help" from the current directory.
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• 2025[18:22:57] <dob1> now with sed , not able to do this, but I think it's the same. I use the wrong regexp
• 2026[18:23:51] <dob1> |sed '/-+/d'
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• 2030[18:25:04] <dob1> ! tr -d '-', but this keep empty lines
• 2031[18:25:51] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
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• 2037[18:27:03] <dob1> greycat, nothing, just testing other methods to do the same
• 2038[18:27:24] <dob1> | tr -d '-' | set '/^$/d' this one delete everything... why ?
• 2039[18:27:38] <greycat> To do *what*? If you want to delete all lines that are one or more hyphens: grep -vE '^-+$'
• 2040[18:27:53] <dob1> greycat, yes but to learn other ways
• 2041[18:27:59] <greycat> And now your regex doesn't begin with a hyphen so you can drop the -- option.
• 2042[18:28:00] <marek> is there something like debian maintaners repository? or where can I see changes being made to packages?
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• 2044[18:28:52] <greycat> or if you prefer BRE, grep -v '^--*$'
• 2045[18:29:31] <dob1> greycat, why this doesn't work then | set '/-+/d'
• 2046[18:29:39] <dob1> it deletes everything
• 2047[18:29:51] <greycat> (1) you didn't specify ERE, and you tried to use a + sign which is not in BRE: (2) you didn't anchor the regex
• 2048[18:30:16] <dob1> I am confused by all these different regexp....
• 2049[18:30:17] <greycat> (3) you misspelled sed as set
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• 2051[18:30:44] <dob1> right, sorry
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• 2055[18:32:46] <n_1-c_k> marek, try <replaced-url
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• 2057[18:34:07] <greycat> The simplest way to deal with the multitude of regex flavors is to ONLY use BRE features, because those (apart from backrefs) will work basically everywhere. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of convenience features not in BRE.
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• 2059[18:34:37] <greycat> the BRE ^--*$ means "a line consisting of one or more hyphens"
• 2060[18:35:31] <greycat> The ^ anchor means "start of line", the $ anchor means "end of line", each - is simply a hyphen, and the * means "0 or more of the previous character".
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• 2062[18:37:08] <dob1> greycat, I am not a professional programer, but I used to perl ones, in every language I use
• 2063[18:37:30] <greycat> being used to perl is a handicap when you try to use the older tools like grep, sed and awk
• 2064[18:37:50] <greycat> nevertheless, you should already know about the ^ and $ anchors
• 2065[18:37:52] <dob1> I know, it's not good
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• 2067[18:37:57] <dob1> yes
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• 2070[18:39:42] <dob1> why not ^-
• 2071[18:39:43] <dob1> +ops
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• 2073[18:39:49] <greycat> + is only in ERE, not in BRE
• 2074[18:39:51] <dob1> why not ^-+$
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• 2076[18:40:09] <greycat> sed uses BRE by default; GNU sed has a -E switch to use ERE, but you didn't use it
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• 2078[18:40:52] <dob1> so you said one - and 0 or more ?
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• 2080[18:41:29] <greycat> ^--*$
• 2081[18:41:41] <dob1> I got the idea --* = -+
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• 2083[18:41:45] <greycat> one hyphen must be present, and there may be more hyphens
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• 2085[18:42:24] <dob1> right
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• 2088[18:46:52] <greycat> (And since I didn't say it yet... BRE is Basic Regular Expressions, and ERE is Extended Regular Expressions. These are defined by POSIX.)
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• 2104[19:02:43] <karlpinc> (You can use -P to use perl regexps with grep, but my man pages say this is "experimental" and man warn of unimplemented features.)
• 2105[19:02:47] <karlpinc> s/man/may
• 2106[19:03:22] <greycat> People overuse that *way* too much.
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• 2108[19:03:50] <greycat> the man page actually says the combination of -P and -z is experimental
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• 2123[19:17:20] <wxb> Hi. Could someone explain this: replaced-url
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• 2138[19:20:58] <greycat> wxb: Debian developers will vote for one of those blobs of text to become part of Debian policy. I think.
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• 2141[19:21:27] <annadane> it's a question of init system diversity and they're revisiting it and voting on it
• 2142[19:21:45] <wxb> greycat, Interesting. So there are several different proposals? And each of them is varying degree of support for non-systemd init?
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• 2144[19:22:23] <wxb> greycat, Will this affect the 'average' user is a noticable way? Or is this a high level of techiness?
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• 2147[19:23:01] <greycat> It will not affect you unless you're one of the rabid anti-systemd people.
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• 2149[19:23:35] <section1> wall im not a rabid anti-systemd ...but i prefer alot sysv over systemd.
• 2150[19:23:36] <wxb> greycat, Is that what the debate boils down to? Some people are against systemd?
• 2151[19:24:08] <wxb> I like how Proposal D is written! Very... strong yet diplomatic.
• 2152[19:24:30] <wxb> Proposal E is just to the point. Short.
• 2153[19:24:54] <ayekat> weell... it also affects people who appreciate systemd and are annoyed whenever they see a `Exec=/etc/init.d/foobar start` in a service file :-)
• 2154[19:25:15] <Cyb0ti> Why are anti-systemd referred to as rabid greycat
• 2155[19:25:17] <wxb> ayekat, Totally over my head! But good to know.
• 2156[19:25:32] <mason> greycat: systemd-specific CVEs have been an exciting new thing lately. So, folks not using it aren't quite as vulnerable as those who are. There's that.
• 2157[19:25:36] <greycat> Cyb0ti: have you MET any of them? Just wait a while, I'm sure one will pop up here again sooner or later.
• 2158[19:25:48] <section1> i like this phrase "Every package MUST work with pid1 != systemd, unless it was designed by upstream to work exclusively with systemd.."
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• 2160[19:26:02] <greycat> Usually they spam the channel with a dozen repeated lines of invective and then get banned.
• 2161[19:26:18] <wxb> Isn't Devuan for that?
• 2162[19:26:36] <mason> Cyb0ti: We're considered "rabid" because we strongly oppose something sucking down so much of the free software infrastructure. The right to modify software diminishes as the software becomes locked into a rigid, opaque, tightly-defined network of code.
• 2163[19:26:41] <wxb> Would this end Devuan and unfork? Reunite the Debian universe?
• 2164[19:26:48] <jhutchins_wk> Usually based on a serious misunderstanding on how the system and development streams work.
• 2165[19:27:04] <Cyb0ti> greycat: it has its flaws, like everything else
• 2166[19:27:15] <mason> wxb: I suspect that even if A or D come out on top, there'll still be a place for Devuan.
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• 2169[19:27:47] <wxb> mason, But I think that E would end it because it would effectively make space for Devuan in Debian, no?
• 2170[19:28:22] <Cyb0ti> mason: ay
• 2171[19:28:32] <mason> wxb: Oh, reading. E didn't exist last time I looked, which was yesterday or somesuch.
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• 2173[19:29:13] <mason> wxb: E honestly seems a *little* redundant. But there it is.
• 2174[19:29:47] <wxb> mason, Isn't E like the 'stonger' version of D? D is like, if you can. E is like, make it happen... no?
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• 2180[19:31:32] <mason> wxb: I think E might be *too* strong. I shouldn't tell people they have to run sysvinit any more than they should tell me I have to run systemd. I still think I prefer E, which stresses communication and community way more. I can't imagine E passing, as it's effectively trying to force something out of volunteers. And as you can see, there are a lot of people who've drowned in the Kool-Aid, even here. :)
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• 2182[19:31:52] <mason> s/prefer E/prefer D/
• 2183[19:32:15] <wxb> mason, Hmmm. Well. We'll see what happens!
• 2184[19:32:19] <wxb> Cheers!
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• 2186[19:32:24] <mason> o/
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• 2188[19:32:54] <jhutchins_wk> If I understand the current situation, a package with only an init script can work with systemd. This addresses init system diversity.
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• 2190[19:33:54] <mason> jhutchins_wk: I think I see a hole in your logic. :
• 2191[19:33:57] <mason> :P
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• 2193[19:35:23] <ayekat> why? systemd can auto-generate service wrappers around init scripts (debian makes use of that, hence you occasionally get the frustrating `Exec=/etc/init.d/foobar start` service files)
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• 2196[19:36:40] <ayekat> of course it wouldn't be very efficient use of systemd (and thus even more reason for people to dislike it, due to added complexity), but it would theoretically work
• 2197[19:37:43] <section1> but someone can submit a service file for that package/service.
• 2198[19:38:19] <mason> ayekat: How many people actively develop systemd? How many people actively develop all the software it wishes to replace? Which seems better for diversity and inclusion?
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• 2200[19:38:41] <ayekat> huh?
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• 2202[19:38:58] <mason> ayekat: Not sure how to answer "huh"...
• 2203[19:39:21] <ayekat> I was merely adding a comment to "just ship init scripts" - I'm not sure how to answer to your three questions there
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• 2220[19:46:32] <Maws> Any tips on how to mount a Amiga floppy disk on Debian ? (/dev/sde), found some guides but only seem to get error with wrong fs type etc, using "AFFS"
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• 2233[19:57:30] <jbeltranby73> hello Channel, I'm running a raspberry pi 4, and I've attached an external USB SSD hard drive. If I do a $ls -l /dev/ | grep dev I see and sda, but if I try to list it with lsblnk I can't see it. I can't mount it, and I'd like to connect it to my nextcloud. If I plug it into a Windows 10 computer I see the unit. I've erase the unit in windows 10
• 2234[19:57:31] <jbeltranby73> and I can't mount it. I'd need help please so I can monut it. Thank you
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• 2246[20:03:18] <jbeltranby73> I'll redo my question,. Why do you think I can't see my unit with fdisk -l if I can see it with ls -l /dev/ | grep dev ?
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• 2251[20:06:17] <nerdboy> not sure about rpi4, but i heard they fixed the USB on it
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• 2253[20:06:46] <filpAM> replaced-url
• 2254[20:06:48] <filpAM> ?*
• 2255[20:07:07] <nerdboy> if it's an SSD it should (In Theory) get enough power
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• 2257[20:08:06] <nerdboy> anything older has potential back-power problems with a powered usb device/hub
• 2258[20:08:40] <nerdboy> the answer was "cut the power wire" in a usb cable so it won't do that ^^
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• 2263[20:09:44] <jbeltranby73> nerdboy thank you. I think it has enough power, as I can see it in the /dev/sda and if I unplug it it disappears
• 2264[20:09:52] <jbeltranby73> it's a M.2 BTW
• 2265[20:10:05] <jbeltranby73> SSD M.2 so it doesn't really needs lots of power.
• 2266[20:10:06] <dbristow> jbeltranby73: lsblk doesn't list it?
• 2267[20:10:13] <jbeltranby73> nope
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• 2269[20:10:34] <nerdboy> what does dmesg say when you plug it in?
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• 2274[20:12:04] <jbeltranby73> nerdboy Many details about the disk
• 2275[20:12:11] <jbeltranby73> which one should I look at it?
• 2276[20:12:38] <jbeltranby73> Spinning up disk
• 2277[20:12:41] <nerdboy> does it show both device and partitions?
• 2278[20:12:42] <jbeltranby73> not responding
• 2279[20:12:56] <jbeltranby73> asking for cache data failed...
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• 2281[20:13:56] <nerdboy> should look something like this: replaced-url
• 2282[20:14:17] <nerdboy> ^^ usb hard disk on tegra chromebook
• 2283[20:15:19] <jbeltranby73> replaced-url
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• 2286[20:16:16] <jbeltranby73> nerdboy it is a 1TB
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• 2288[20:16:55] <nerdboy> drivers maybe?
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• 2290[20:17:35] <jbeltranby73> I want to have a nextcloud and plex server, do you recommend me another O. S in a raspberry 4?
• 2291[20:17:50] <nerdboy> if it's working you should see something like this after the other stuff:
• 2292[20:17:51] <nerdboy> [ 9.342290] sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 sda5
• 2293[20:17:52] <nerdboy> [ 9.346329] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
• 2294[20:18:41] <nerdboy> well, if you want to test another option easily you could try the genpi64 image
• 2295[20:19:00] <jbeltranby73> I've bought this HD because I've seen a youtube video with all of it.
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• 2299[20:19:49] <jbeltranby73> nerdboy I'll try
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• 2303[20:20:50] <jbeltranby73> I'm lost and trying to make it live somehow.
• 2304[20:23:07] <nerdboy> replaced-url
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• 2307[20:23:39] <nerdboy> she has great docs, ^^ plus that is all bin pkgs
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• 2311[20:26:08] <jbeltranby73> nerdboy ok I'm going to read it. Thanks a lot for your help
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• 2313[20:26:40] <urbanator> jbeltranby73: the dmesg says the kernel is incompatible with the hard drive. '[sda] 0 512-byte logical blocks: (0 B/0 B)'. with 0 blocks there's nothing to mount.
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• 2317[20:27:09] <nerdboy> is that the stock raspbian kernel?
• 2318[20:27:40] * nerdboy not even sure if upstream has 64bit-ness for rpi4 or not...
• 2319[20:27:46] <jbeltranby73> urbanator so this distro wouldn't work anyways?
• 2320[20:28:15] <nerdboy> which "distro" exactly?
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• 2324[20:30:17] <jbeltranby73> debian
• 2325[20:30:27] <jbeltranby73> I mean, debian for raspberry 4
• 2326[20:31:01] <nerdboy> is your current rootfs all 32bit? sounds like possibly a misconfigured/older kernel
• 2327[20:31:28] <jbeltranby73> nope
• 2328[20:31:30] <nerdboy> and by "debian" you mean raspbian?
• 2329[20:31:36] <jbeltranby73> yes, sorry
• 2330[20:31:47] <jbeltranby73> raspbian
• 2331[20:32:24] <factor> In Debian 10 the mysqld_multi from mariadb does not work. Found patches online, two in fact and hacked it to work, a newer version may need to be made for d10. seems to be working so far.
• 2332[20:32:30] <somiaj> !raspbian
• 2333[20:32:30] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 2335[20:32:51] <somiaj> jbeltranby73: there is a difference between using raspbian (based on debian) and installing debian on the pi (the second only works on certain pi's and is much harder for most users)
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• 2337[20:33:23] <somiaj> factor: I would check the debian bts, see if there is a bug about this, if not report it and include the patches.
• 2338[20:33:23] <nerdboy> well, urbanator alertly noticed the critical log line
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• 2340[20:34:34] <nerdboy> jbeltranby73: mismatch between hardware and kernel config/drivers
• 2341[20:34:54] <urbanator> jbeltranby73: your options are 1) try distros until it works, 2) learn to build the kernel.org stuff on your preferred distro.
• 2342[20:35:01] <jbeltranby73> dpkg sorry I'll change to that.
• 2343[20:35:01] <dpkg> i don't know, jbeltranby73
• 2344[20:35:12] <nerdboy> you should get your butt over to #raspberrypi
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• 2346[20:35:21] <jbeltranby73> yeap
• 2347[20:35:28] <jbeltranby73> thank you both
• 2348[20:35:36] <jbeltranby73> ;-)
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• 2358[20:37:52] <madrid> are there problems with qjackctl? I can't run it under gnome-wayland.
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• 2366[20:45:10] <Lope> I see there is no php-mcrypt package in debian buster?
• 2367[20:45:22] <greycat> ,v php-mcrypt
• 2368[20:45:23] <judd> Package: php-mcrypt on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49
• 2369[20:45:24] <Lope> is it built into another php package
• 2370[20:45:45] <madrid> qjackctl doesn't run in gnome w/ wayland/X11.
• 2371[20:45:57] <Lope> so can I enable stretch repos, install php-mcrypt and will it work in apache?
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• 2376[20:46:52] <greycat> ,file php7.3-mcrypt/control
• 2377[20:46:58] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
• 2378[20:47:31] <mutante> ,v php-7.0-mcrypt
• 2379[20:47:33] <judd> No package named 'php-7.0-mcrypt' was found in amd64.
• 2380[20:47:46] <greycat> *shrug* you'll have to find someone who knows this PHP stuff
• 2381[20:47:52] <greycat> ,v php7.0-mcrypt
• 2382[20:47:53] <judd> Package: php7.0-mcrypt on amd64 -- stretch: 7.0.33-0+deb9u3; stretch-proposed-updates: 7.0.33-0+deb9u6; stretch-security: 7.0.33-0+deb9u6
• 2383[20:47:57] <mutante> Lope: no, don't mix the repos
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• 2385[20:48:20] <greycat> ,file mcrypt
• 2386[20:48:24] <judd> Search for mcrypt in buster/amd64: amanda-common: usr/sbin/amcrypt; mcrypt: usr/bin/mcrypt; libtomcrypt-dev: usr/share/doc-base/libtomcrypt; bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/mcrypt
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• 2389[20:49:01] <mutante> Lope: maybe this replaced-url
• 2390[20:49:30] <mutante> if you cant find a better way to replace it
• 2391[20:49:39] <somiaj> Lope: "Remove mcrypt extension that has been removed upstream" from the debian changelog,
• 2392[20:49:55] <somiaj> in php 7.2 or 7.3 it was removed upstream and thus is also removed in debian
• 2393[20:50:32] <greycat> that lukas page says "For PHP 7.2+, PHP instead uses libsodium as a cryptography library."
• 2394[20:50:55] <Lope> I see that URL of yours, mutante, shows how to compile php-mcrypt
• 2395[20:51:04] <greycat> maybe you can rewrite your PHP script to use this other thing
• 2396[20:51:12] <Lope> greycat, yeah it's used for some old crap that I didn't write.
• 2397[20:51:17] <Lope> poweradmin
• 2398[20:51:27] <greycat> with a name like that, what could POSSIBLY go wrong
• 2399[20:51:50] <mutante> Lope: yea, that's if there is no other way to replace it with a proper package
• 2400[20:52:14] <mutante> Lope: or you'll have to port the package to newer distros
• 2401[20:52:26] <somiaj> espically that it requires a lib that upstream has removed for some reason
• 2402[20:52:26] <mutante> greycat: lol
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• 2404[20:52:32] <Lope> maybe a better front-end for pdns exists now
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• 2412[21:02:06] <Lope> nevermind, I'm going to try newer alternatives to poweradmin
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• 2414[21:03:27] <Lope> night night
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• 2416[21:04:51] <factor> <somiaj> thanks for the reply.
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• 2442[21:26:05] <dob1> can I convert a path to a filename ? I mean I want to do something like find ./ -type f -name somename -exec cp {} . \; but the files have the same name so I was thinking to convert their path to a filename
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• 2446[21:26:51] <greycat> you mean like cp ./foo/bar/myfile /src/foo-bar-myfile ?
• 2447[21:27:27] <dob1> I am not sure
• 2448[21:27:31] <dob1> :)
• 2449[21:27:39] <greycat> well, you have to decide what you WANT, before you can do it
• 2450[21:28:07] <dob1> if I use the comand typed above and I will copy nothing because the files have the same name
• 2451[21:28:11] <dob1> am I right?
• 2452[21:28:23] <dob1> the find one I mean
• 2453[21:28:23] <greycat> I don't care about your nonworking commands. I want to know what you want to do.
• 2454[21:28:49] <dob1> I want to put all these files in the same directory but they have the same name
• 2455[21:29:01] <dob1> so I have to find a way to rename them
• 2456[21:29:15] <dob1> I was thinking "translate" the path to a filename itself
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• 2460[21:30:17] <twobitsprite> dob1: so, basically what greycat asked.... convert "foo/bar/myfile" to "foo-bar-myfile" in the other directory?
• 2461[21:30:45] <dob1> but the src why?
• 2462[21:31:06] <twobitsprite> huh?
• 2463[21:31:07] <greycat> I actually tried to type /srv/ there but my fingers like src better.
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• 2465[21:31:20] <dob1> anyway yes. the idea / -> - is what I was thinking too
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• 2469[21:32:57] <twobitsprite> find ./ -type f -name somename | while read -r file; newfile=${file//\//-}; cp "$file" "./other/dir/$newfile"; done
• 2470[21:32:58] <somiaj> I think the perls rename (or preanme) can just do this directly?
• 2471[21:33:24] <greycat> that's... not an approach I had considered. dunno.
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• 2474[21:34:00] <greycat> does prename have a "copy, not rename" setting? let's see...
• 2475[21:34:02] <dob1> I know per rename
• 2476[21:34:07] <dob1> *perl
• 2477[21:34:11] <somiaj> so find ./ type -f -name somename -exec rename 's/\//-/g' {} ? -- hopefully I dind't mess up the syntax
• 2478[21:34:23] <dob1> and the copy?
• 2479[21:34:30] <somiaj> oh yea, duh, this isn't a copy it is just a rename...yea don't do that.
• 2480[21:35:07] <twobitsprite> you could do rename -n, that'll just print the new names, but then you'll have to cp it yourself
• 2481[21:35:32] <twobitsprite> at that point, might as well just do the "${file//\//-}" thing
• 2482[21:35:59] <greycat> my thinking was along the lines of find . -type f blah blah -print0 | while IFS= read -r -d '' f; do new=${f#./} new=${new//\/-}; echo cp "$f" "/destination/$new"; done
• 2483[21:36:00] <somiaj> yea, I was focusing on the renaming not the copy.
• 2484[21:36:02] <dob1> I can do something simpler, just copy them in the same directory with a randonm name and then using md5sum I can find where they were
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• 2486[21:36:20] <twobitsprite> dob1: that sounds less simple, but ok
• 2487[21:36:34] <somiaj> yea that doesn't sound simplier to me
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• 2489[21:36:51] <dob1> more work for me but it's ok
• 2490[21:37:11] <twobitsprite> greycat: pretty sure you need to escape the / in your regex
• 2491[21:37:12] <somiaj> almost sounds like an XY problem, why do you want all these files in the same directory?
• 2492[21:37:24] <twobitsprite> greycat: er, add another / after the escaped /
• 2493[21:37:34] <dob1> find ./ -type f -name somename -exec cp {} how-to-generate-a-random-name-here \; ?
• 2494[21:37:37] <greycat> also sounds like the same question I answered a few days ago
• 2495[21:37:46] <greycat> dunno if it was this person or someone else
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• 2498[21:38:11] <greycat> were you the person I told "also look at the --backup switch of GNU cp"?
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• 2500[21:38:19] <dob1> me greycat ?
• 2501[21:38:22] <somiaj> dob1: what is your end goal, any reason you want to put all of these files in the same directory?
• 2502[21:38:40] <dob1> somiaj, for backup
• 2503[21:38:51] <twobitsprite> somiaj: why not just cp -r?
• 2504[21:38:56] <twobitsprite> dob1: ^
• 2505[21:38:57] <somiaj> dob1: why not use rysync and bacup the whole file tree?
• 2506[21:39:08] <greycat> Oh, found it in #bash logs. It was f8e3 not you.
• 2507[21:39:10] <dob1> they are in usb key, external hdd
• 2508[21:39:22] <dob1> etc
• 2509[21:39:25] <somiaj> having some random name for the file sounds like a bad way to backup, espically in terms of recovery.
• 2510[21:39:29] <twobitsprite> dob1: your external hdd doesn't support directories?
• 2511[21:39:37] <dob1> but, they are like 20 files I can do it manually
• 2512[21:39:40] <somiaj> so, it is better to backup the whole file tree for recovery.
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• 2514[21:39:56] <livebrain> thats a strange way to backup
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• 2516[21:40:14] <twobitsprite> if it's only 20 files, just copy them manually... we've already spent more time trying to automate this than it would have taken to just do manually
• 2517[21:40:45] <dob1> livebrain, they are logs for a program that was installed in several pcs that are not active anymore. I was trying to put them in the same place and backup them
• 2518[21:41:04] <dob1> twobitsprite, I agree
• 2519[21:41:18] <dob1> thanks anyway for the time
• 2520[21:41:42] <greycat> dob1: also consider the --backup option of GNU cp
• 2521[21:41:50] <dob1> I will take a look
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• 2527[21:45:57] <somiaj> dob1: the rsync --include option might make this fairly easy to do
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• 2569[22:20:03] <cronolio> hello!
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• 2573[22:21:16] <cronolio> here is stable debian. and i can't build nvidia-driver with 5.2 linux-image from backports
• 2574[22:21:49] <cronolio> replaced-url
• 2575[22:21:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2576[22:22:07] <cronolio> what i do wrong ?
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• 2578[22:23:08] <towo`> who shoud know without seeing the buildlog?
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• 2585[22:25:12] <cronolio> /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/418.74/build/nvidia-uvm/uvm8_tools.c:209:13: error: conflicting types for ‘put_user_pages’
• 2586[22:25:12] <cronolio> static void put_user_pages(struct page **pages, NvU64 page_count)
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• 2593[22:28:27] <towo`> cronolio, there is no nvidia-driver in buster-backports
• 2594[22:28:40] <towo`> so from what backports driver you are talking?
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• 2596[22:29:11] <cronolio> "with 5.2 linux-image from backports"
• 2597[22:29:18] <towo`> cronolio, and?
• 2598[22:29:47] <towo`> the regular nvidia driver package from buster will never build against 5.2
• 2599[22:30:43] <towo`> and your refered bugreport sayes, it's fixed in nvidia-graphics-drivers 418.88-1
• 2600[22:30:51] <somiaj> currently there isn't a way to compile the nvidia-driver in stable with the backports kernel.
• 2601[22:30:59] <somiaj> oh they fixed it? That's good to hear,
• 2602[22:31:04] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-graphics-driver
• 2603[22:31:05] <judd> No package named 'nvidia-graphics-driver' was found in amd64.
• 2604[22:31:11] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 2605[22:31:12] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; bullseye/non-free: 430.64-1; sid/non-free: 430.64-1; experimental/non-free: 440.31-1
• 2606[22:31:37] <somiaj> oh looks like 418.88-1 hasn't made it into buster yet.
• 2607[22:32:47] <somiaj> oh I see 418.88-1 made it into testing, but yea, looks like we'll have to wait for a backport still, as stable's version 418.74-1, won't compile against the backports kernel.
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• 2610[22:34:51] <somiaj> cronolio: the only solution right now is to backport the newer nvidia driver yourself, or to not use the backports kernel if you want to use the nvidia non-free driver.
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• 2612[22:35:09] <cronolio> towo`: if regular buster nvidia driver can't build with 5.2 backported linux kernel, then i believe somewhere in dependcies must be __NOT_WITH_5.2_KERNEL
• 2613[22:35:13] <somiaj> cronolio: the nvidia team often backports the nvidia driver, so they may do this in the future, but right now the above are the only options.
• 2614[22:35:47] <towo`> cronolio, aha
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• 2616[22:36:25] <somiaj> this is one of the problems with backported kernels, they may not be compadable with every kernel module in buster (espically the non-free ones)
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• 2622[22:41:24] <cronolio> mostly interesting in all it is replaced-url
• 2623[22:41:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2624[22:41:50] <cronolio> in my case synaptic din't show any alert about it
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• 2627[22:43:26] <towo`> "closed, experimental, bullseye, sid" where you read buster?
• 2628[22:44:01] <cronolio> right here
• 2629[22:44:04] <cronolio> cat /etc/*release
• 2630[22:44:04] <cronolio> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)"
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• 2633[22:44:29] <somiaj> cronolio: buster is frozen, so that fix 418.88-1 only made it to testing, not to buster. You'll have to wait for a backport or make your own.
• 2634[22:45:27] <cronolio> so. testing is more stable than stable :)
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• 2636[22:45:33] <somiaj> umm no
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• 2638[22:45:50] <somiaj> stable is frozen, and is well tested to work with other packages in stable. A backports kernel is not in stable
• 2639[22:46:11] <somiaj> the driver works just fine with the stable 4.19 kernel.
• 2640[22:46:48] <cronolio> "Backports are packages taken from the next Debian release (called "testing"), adjusted and recompiled for usage on Debian stable."
• 2641[22:47:11] <towo`> and?
• 2642[22:47:21] <somiaj> correct, but they don't get nearly the same testing as stable packages do, and they may not be compadable with all packages in stable.
• 2643[22:47:26] <towo`> where you see the backported nvidia-driver?
• 2644[22:47:39] <cronolio> ok
• 2645[22:47:51] <cronolio> seeya
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• 2648[22:47:59] <somiaj> in the past the nvidia driver has been backported, so hopefully they fix this issue soon.
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• 2686[23:09:00] <clarity> I've since configured it, but how do I rerun the installer after booting?
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• 2707[23:20:57] <_DeLa_> What is the best way to install Dropbox (with GUI) on Debian Buster?
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• 2712[23:25:09] <_DeLa_> Some suggestions are simply installing replaced-url
• 2713[23:25:09] <_DeLa_> Is this really all there is to it?
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• 2717[23:28:21] <Habbie> _DeLa_, how about you try it and let us know?
• 2718[23:28:42] <_DeLa_> Habbie: Will do, tomorrow probably
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• 2721[23:29:25] <_DeLa_> Habbie: Thing is, on dropbox.com, there are only .deb files for ubuntu
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• 2725[23:30:46] <Habbie> _DeLa_, right
• 2726[23:31:13] <livebrain> replaced-url
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• 2729[23:32:04] <YesMan> Hi
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• 2734[23:35:30] <_DeLa_> livebrain: already seen that, but that's for GUI-less dropbox
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• 2737[23:38:14] <YesMan> From what I understand the computer has various level of power down labelled from S1 to S6, (maybe there's more levels) S1 being a complete shutdown, S4 being hybernation etc... I'm trying to setup wake on lan. I did enable it in bios however both shutdown (/h) and poweroff turn of lan. The only state I could wake on lan from was from systemctl suspend. Am I fucked or is there a way ton configure the system outside on bios to allow for wake on
• 2738[23:38:14] <YesMan> lan on complete shutdown
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• 2761[23:51:36] <somiaj> clarity: if you completed the netinstall, you don't need to return to the installer and have a functing system. Once you get wifi working, just install software using apt.
• 2762[23:53:05] <clarity> ok
• 2763[23:53:55] <somiaj> !buster sources.list
• 2764[23:53:55] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
• 2765[23:54:03] <somiaj> you'll need to setup your /etc/apt/sources.list first
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