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10[00:04:46] <brimonk> What packages do I need if I'm
going to try to run kvm vms through qemu?
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12[00:05:05] <brimonk> Specifically, what versions of libvirt
and the *virt* related things?
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13[00:05:35] <somiaj> brimonk: well libvirt is only a frontend
to this, and the main package is called qemu-kvm that has the kvm
extensions to qemu
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14[00:05:55] <somiaj> brimonk: are you running stretch or
jessie, the wiki has a clear descirption of the packages you need to
install to get libvrit working
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17[00:06:09] <brimonk> Currently running stretch.
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18[00:06:43] <somiaj>
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22[00:08:37] <awal1> brimonk, if you are gui oriented, I guess
installing 'virt-manager' you'll get all what you
need for qemu-kvm
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24[00:10:08] <brimonk> awal1: I'm trying to get a list of
virtual machines running through a headless machine, accessible over
vnc or ssh.
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25[00:10:13] <brimonk> Anything specific for that?
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30[00:13:00] <awal1> brimonk, not an expert of virtualization
here, just ask in room and someone may help if he/she knows
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35[00:14:48] <msiism> i've recently discovered that some
pdf files i had downloaded a while ago could not really be read
anymore on Debian Jessie. these files are not broken (i am able to
read them without problems on other systems), but the foreground
color has mysteriously turned to white for whatever reason. i tried
this with a fresh installation of jessie on a laptop and got the
same result (using atril, xpdf and zathura). i beleive the i
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38[00:15:27] <somiaj> brimonk: libvirt has virsh to control vms
from the cli
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53[00:19:45] <msiism> if anyone wants to try for themselves,
here's a link to a pdf file that displays the problem:
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56[00:20:50] <somiaj> msiism: what pdf reader are you using?
That could have a lot to do with it.
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57[00:21:21] <msiism> somiaj: atril, xpdf and zathura have been
tried.
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59[00:21:36] <msiism> somiaj: they all use different rendering
backends, iirc.
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62[00:23:01] <hypn0> works fine with firefox :-/
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64[00:23:55] <somiaj> maybe just try to use the browser built
in reader, that link seems to work just fine in chromium here. There
is also evince. I think it is the reader myself, but unsure why
those readers you listed won't work. Is it all .pdfs or only
cerntain one.
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65[00:24:00] <msiism> somiaj: and the problem does not occur on
Debian stretch.
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68[00:24:42] <somiaj> ,v atril
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69[00:24:43] <judd> Package: atril on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 1.8.0+dfsg1-2~bpo70+1; jessie:
1.8.1+dfsg1-4+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.8.1+dfsg1-4+deb8u1;
stretch: 1.16.1-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.16.1-2+deb9u1;
stretch-backports: 1.18.3-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.20.0-1; sid: 1.20.0-1
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70[00:25:04] <hypn0> on 8.x too, here
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72[00:25:10] <msiism> somiaj: i'm on i386, fwiw
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73[00:25:12] <somiaj> well version differences of readers, it
could be just some issue with the .pdfs
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74[00:25:35] <somiaj> and newer readers can deal with it
better.
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75[00:25:54] <msiism> somiaj: but it wokred just fine a few
month ago.
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76[00:26:08] <hypn0> still does :-/
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77[00:26:15] <msiism> somiaj: and i was able to read those file
from that very hard drive through a live system i booted.
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80[00:26:37] <msiism> hypn0: are you on jessie?
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81[00:26:44] <hypn0> what did you change?
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82[00:26:58] <hypn0> 8.x, yes
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84[00:27:09] <somiaj> jessie has had very few updates in the
last months, espically ones on the pdf readers.
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85[00:27:36] <msiism> hypn0: i beleive nothing. and it happened
with a fresh install on a laptop as well.
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86[00:28:00] <msiism> hypn0: and by fresh install i mean, basic
system tools + xorg + xpdf and no configuration changes.
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87[00:28:01] <hypn0> why install 8 :-/
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88[00:28:52] <msiism> hypn0: i'm not actually a debian
user, i use devuan. and their current stable release still tracks
jessie. i thought it was a devuan-specific issue at first. but then
i installed debian and it pccured there as well.
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89[00:30:04] <jelly> nice, if you can reproduce on actual
debian it's okay to ask here
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90[00:30:36] <msiism> somiaj: also, about those files. they
differ in what pdf versions they are (1.4 to 1.6) as well as in
creation dates. there's nothing that seems to connect them
really.
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92[00:31:00] <jelly> there was a regression in poppler library
a new months ago
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94[00:31:30] <jelly> or somewhere adjacent
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95[00:31:49] <msiism> jelly: ok, interesting. maybe that has
sth to do with it.
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96[00:32:09] <msiism> hypn0: what's your pdf reader?
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97[00:32:25] <hypn0> firefox :-)
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98[00:33:01] <msiism> hypn0: i see. do you have any other pdf
reader installed?
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99[00:33:06] <hypn0> 58.0.2 (64-bit)
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100[00:33:46] <hypn0> I think I uninstalled a couple, way back
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101[00:34:09] <msiism> hypn0: would you be able to try, say,
xpdf?
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102[00:34:42] <hypn0> you want me to make it not work :-/
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103[00:35:00] <msiism> hypn0: exactly.
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104[00:35:39] <msiism> hypn0: on a side note: i tend to use w3m
more since the more recent releases of firefox...
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105[00:35:40] <hypn0> bash: xpdf: command not found
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106[00:35:51] <msiism> hypn0: yes, it's not there by
default.
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107[00:35:53] <jelly> #886798
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108[00:35:54] <judd> Bug
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109[00:36:07] <jelly> msiism, ^^ does that look like your
symptoms?
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110[00:36:14] <msiism> jelly: it does!
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112[00:37:41] <annadane> you wizard.
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113[00:38:00] <hypn0> why don't you use something else :-)
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114[00:38:26] <msiism> hypn0: like a pdf ready not using
libpoppler?
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115[00:38:50] <jelly> apparently that did not happen >
I'll look into fixing jessie later today or tomorrow.
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116[00:39:13] <msiism> jelly: you mean fix that libpoppler bug?
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117[00:39:28] <hypn0> I thought it said some programs :-/
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118[00:39:51] <jelly> yes. Also, there was a workaround that
involved either installing or removing some font package, I vaguely
remember doing it on my stretch system to make things better
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119[00:40:15] <msiism> jelly: great! thank you very much.
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120[00:40:51] <msiism> hypn0: well, xpdf, zathura, atril (which
is an evince clone) are apparently equally affected.
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122[00:41:31] <jelly> (if you run dpkg -s on those or ldd
/usr/bin/xpdf you'll probably find they all use the same pdf
rendering library, poppler)
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124[00:41:53] <jelly> also: kde's okular
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125[00:42:12] <msiism> jelly: ok, i see.
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132[00:43:44] <jelly> msiism, I'd probably mail a ping on
886798, maintainer fixed the regression in stretch but probably
forgot about jessie
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134[00:44:41] <jelly> msiism, or find the fix yourself comparing
the differences in stretch versions and do a package rebuild (/msg
dpkg package rebuild) with fix
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135[00:44:51] <msiism> jelly: you mean, i should do this? i
wouldn't really know how, tbh.
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136[00:44:59] <msiism> jelly: that's way out of my league.
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137[00:45:11] <jelly> so mail the bug first
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140[00:46:05] <msiism> jelly: but it has already been reported
(the link you posted) or am i missing sth here?
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144[00:46:42] <jelly> yes it has. And the maintainer said they
were going to fix it. But they didn't. So ping them, very
politely
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146[00:47:15] <jelly> maybe asking naively if the fix for
regression from stretch can be applied or not
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147[00:47:48] <msiism> jelly: ok, i get it. i'd just replay
to the bug report, uisng 886798@bugs.debian.org, right?
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148[00:47:53] <jelly> yes
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149[00:48:05] <msiism> jelly: good. i'll do that then.
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151[00:49:07] <jelly> some maintainers frown on "me
too" for bug reports, but you can probably spin it so you look
concerned and suggesting a way forward, instead of implying they
merely forgot to fix their stuff
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155[00:52:48] <msiism> jelly: i'll try to strike the right
tone.
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209[01:36:02] <Aelius> new to debian. is it trivial to change
from stable to unstable? Just change out the repository then
initiate a full system update?
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212[01:37:15] <annadane> essentially
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213[01:37:36] <annadane> you have less chance of things
initially breaking if you do it from a minimal install; the usual
disclaimers apply, sid can break, keep backups etc
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214[01:38:03] <annadane> you only need one line for sid though,
you don't need security.debian.org or stretch-updates, just
remove or comment out those lines entirely
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215[01:38:32] <Aelius> I'm actually using it from wsl- so
the install is very minimal, and I can just click a button to get
back to the stable image
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228[01:46:33] <RoyK> dpkg: tell Aelius about unstable
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229[01:46:57] <Aelius> so Sid is "unstable", and I
only need to figure out the syntax for sources
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234[01:47:49] <RoyK> Aelius: basically, don't use unstble
if you want something that works. Stable really works, testing might
work, unstable as in Sid (the kid that breaks toys) may work,
perhaps, but you'll probably end up in a havoc sooner or later
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235[01:48:17] <Aelius> Coming from archlinux, I just want
packages that are up to date.
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237[01:48:38] <Aelius> Is unstable for me?
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238[01:48:48] <RoyK> debian packages are up to date - security
fixes are backported
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239[01:48:54] <coruja> coming from arch linux, sid will rather
be comfortable i guess
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240[01:48:57] <RoyK> better try stable first, then perhaps
testing
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243[01:49:22] <Aelius> I don't care if debian kernel itself
is stable, but when a package updates upstream, I want to see that
update within a week
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246[01:50:06] <RoyK> Aelius: regardless of bugs? ;)
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247[01:50:12] <annadane> yeah, sid has all the new stuff
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250[01:50:38] <RoyK> he breaks toys, though
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251[01:50:46] <annadane> meh
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252[01:51:01] <annadane> as long as people know the risks and
keep backups of their important files
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253[01:51:39] <Aelius> I do not believe it is the OS
responsibility to decide when a package is ready for me to use. the
developer released an update, I want it. Not bumping into bugs robs
me of the opportunity to submit bug reports and contribute to foss
projects...
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254[01:52:07] <RoyK> Aelius: sounds like you've never
managed a datacentre ;)
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258[01:52:38] <Aelius> I have had limited experience as a
serveradmin, where yes, priorities are different
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259[01:52:48] <aokfire> * * * * * screen -S test -m -d -L
"/var/log/cronjobs/test_$(date).log" ls /root
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260[01:52:54] <aokfire> I have this crontab test under root
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261[01:53:04] <aokfire> i'm not sure it's properly
running? no logs being generated
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263[01:53:18] <aokfire> it seems to want to send an email out
ssmtp
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266[01:54:35] <aokfire>
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270[01:56:43] <teatime> aokfire: what does that screen command
do, anyway?
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272[01:56:50] <aokfire> it's a test
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273[01:56:56] <Aelius> so the syntax is "deb
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274[01:56:58] <aokfire> basically just list /root
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275[01:57:07] <aokfire> because I'm not sure of another way
to log?
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276[01:57:23] <aokfire> I mean I could do tee maybe?
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277[01:57:26] <teatime> aokfire: fyi, cron scripts should not
produce output when they are successful; if they do print stuff out,
it's assumed to be interesting diagnostic info / error message,
so is sent to the administrator
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279[01:57:34] <aokfire> oh
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280[01:57:37] <aokfire> I just wanted to log anyway
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281[01:57:56] <Aelius> yep seems to have done the trick. thanks
all
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282[01:58:00] <annadane>
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283[01:58:12] <aokfire> the actual command I'd like to run
is to update my raid array
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284[01:58:26] <teatime> can you show the specific command
you'd like to run
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285[01:58:29] <aokfire> so I want to run it in a screen and log
output, regardless of if it went well or not
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286[01:58:31] <aokfire> sure one sec
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288[01:59:19] <aokfire> teatime
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290[01:59:44] <aokfire> the reason for this being the raid
program does provide useful output post-processing, so I'd like
to retain that
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291[01:59:58] <aokfire> and running in a screen would let me
check in on it
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292[02:00:12] <aokfire> from any user
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293[02:00:24] <teatime> true enough; but tee would be more,
normal..
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294[02:00:29] <teatime> or something along those lines
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296[02:00:47] <teatime> out of curiosity, where is the snapraid
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298[02:01:03] <aokfire> usr/local/bin/snapraid
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299[02:01:08] <aokfire> but you have to run as sudo anyway
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301[02:01:11] <aokfire> as non-root
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303[02:01:33] <teatime> I don't think snapraid came from a
debian package?
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304[02:01:41] <Aelius> annadane: yeah that's basically my
understanding of it. It seems like 90% of linux users would want
unstable on their personal device
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305[02:01:56] <aokfire> teatime no
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309[02:02:18] <annadane> Aelius, yeah, it's a very
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311[02:02:27] <annadane> stable does have backports but
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313[02:03:37] <Aelius> I don't have a solid bulletproof
argument for this, but the concept of porting a program to 1000
different linux distros seems like it's an untenable concept in
the first place. I think there's a future in flatpak
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315[02:04:09] <Aelius> the whole thing might be moot in time
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316[02:04:17] <aokfire> teatime I'm mainly just wondering
why it's trying to send to mailhub
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317[02:04:19] <aokfire> is the command failing
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319[02:04:50] <teatime> aokfire: again, when cron scripts
produce output, the default/traditional configuration is for cron to
send root a mail about that, w/ the output
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320[02:04:51] <annadane> it's my computer and i'm
intelligent with it, i would obviously use stable in a professional
environment of course
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324[02:05:59] <Aelius> yeah. even more fundamental than that, I
think of my OS as the thing that enables me to use software, and
largely exists to not be in the way.
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329[02:06:59] <aokfire> right teatime
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330[02:07:33] <aokfire> issue is it's sending to mailhub:25
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331[02:07:42] <Aelius> What's the difference between
updating all packages and "dist-upgrade"?
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335[02:08:08] <teatime> aokfire: ok, are you asking what is
"mailhub"?
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336[02:08:14] <coruja> Aelius, maybe i missed someone having
already done but i want to point you to #debian-next on oftc network
for debian testing/unstable support (as the topic says too)
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337[02:08:29] <teatime> aokfire: also this is a more typical
crontab entry, perhaps, just to give ideas: @weekly snapraid scrub
>> /var/log/cronjobs/snapraid_scrub.log 2>&1
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339[02:08:49] <aokfire> teatime I'll probably just use that
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340[02:08:49] <teatime> but instead of running “snapraid
scrub” directly, you probably want to create a short bash
script
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341[02:08:52] <aokfire> yeah
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342[02:09:04] <aokfire> because I assume running directly, if I
loggedi n as root it would like
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343[02:09:06] <aokfire> be running?
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344[02:09:22] <teatime> that can 1) log to syslog if you want,
2) only prints anything out if there's an error you want to
hear about via email, 3) exits with 0 status on successful run, and
4) non-zero status on error
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345[02:09:35] <Aelius> I saw that- but I'm not /really/
asking for unstable support- generic question like "editting
mirrorlist" and "what is the significance of
dist-upgrade" shouldnt require me to go connect to a new
server- those things exist in stable, no?
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346[02:10:01] <aokfire> teatime sounds good. I'll edit that
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347[02:10:04] <aokfire> one more question
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348[02:10:17] <teatime> Aelius: honestly you will probably want
dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade w/ the newer tools) most of the times
where it would make any difference
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349[02:10:27] <aokfire> can I somehow email myself, ex. email
from email@me.com and also to email@me.com ?
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351[02:11:06] <Aelius> yeah, I'm curious about what this
actually does. I'm not that familiar with apt / apt-get (and I
assume I don't have to touch dpkg for normal
install/uninstall?)
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352[02:11:26] <teatime> Aelius: safe-upgrade (or just upgrade,
with older tools) won't take certain actions by default, which
are slightly perhaps more potentially dangerous/damaging, like
removing packages, or installing not-installed packages; and these
things are sometimes necessary
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354[02:12:03] <Aelius> yeah I noticed that when I installed and
then uninstalled fish- it left fish-common behind
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356[02:12:18] <teatime> aokfire: could you do and upload output
of: dpkg -l | egrep 'postfix|exim|ssmtp'
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357[02:12:53] <aokfire> teatime
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358[02:12:58] <aokfire> i was trying ssmtp
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361[02:13:12] <teatime> Aelius: try `apt autoremove` to remove
auto-installed-but-no-longer-needed packages
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362[02:13:13] <coruja> Aelius, in short: apt update = update
package database, apt upgrade = upgrade without removing packages,
apt {full,dist}-upgrade = upgrade including removal of packages, apt
remove = remove package with configs untouched, apt purge = removing
package including config
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363[02:13:41] <coruja> for the rest see man apt ;)
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366[02:13:51] <Aelius> that was very comprehensive, thank you
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367[02:13:51] <teatime> aokfire: ok, then yes you can setup
ssmtp to forward mail from your system to you.
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368[02:13:56] <teatime> aokfire: but it does need configured
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369[02:14:13] <aokfire> I basically just want to email from an
actual email address to the same email
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372[02:14:26] <aokfire> example, email FROM user1@gmail.com TO
user1@gmail.com
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373[02:14:31] <teatime> sure
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374[02:14:39] <aokfire> with data coming from server
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375[02:14:45] <aokfire> basically a way to get an email with
info I can read on my phone
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376[02:14:55] <aokfire> wake up, logs in inbox
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377[02:15:04] <aokfire> jump on server in emergency
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378[02:15:04] <teatime> aokfire: there's some gmail
information etc. here:
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379[02:15:12] <aokfire> I'm not using gmail though
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380[02:15:22] <aokfire> but got it
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381[02:15:26] <aokfire> just an easy example
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382[02:15:27] <teatime> look, you can google about ssmtp, what
it is, how it works, how to configure it
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384[02:15:47] <teatime> email is an old crufty and now
complicated thing, sadly, not to mention a spamwarzone :)
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385[02:15:51] <aokfire> :(
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387[02:15:54] <aokfire> i know
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388[02:16:11] <teatime> what *are* you using, then, if not
gmail?
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389[02:16:21] <aokfire> cock.li
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390[02:16:31] <teatime> I assume you don't want to really
have mail etc. on your box, you just want any generated mails to get
sent to your one real email addr
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391[02:16:38] <aokfire> pretty much
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392[02:16:52] <teatime> "Cock.li is your go-to solution for
professional E-mail and XMPP addresses." hehe
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393[02:16:57] <aokfire> free and ez
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399[02:18:02] <teatime> aokfire:
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405[02:20:49] <aokfire> cool, thank you :)
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408[02:21:27] <coruja> Aelius,
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456[02:55:18] <advorak> jim, I don't believe so, though
check out
replaced-url
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457[02:55:36] <advorak> I searched for "debconf" and
didn't find what you are specifying .. but that may give you
some hints ...
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459[02:56:13] <LtL> jim: yes there is
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464[02:57:12] <LtL> jim: man debconf-set-selections
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465[02:59:07] <jim> LtL, I decided to ask judd, which confirmed
it's present
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468[03:00:42] <Forty-3> where can I find the correct format for
versioning a .deb built from a specific git revision?
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503[03:34:51] <notjagspargdon> does firefox/seamonkey on debian
play h264 files?
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509[03:38:25] <tw> Forty-3: check a package like
golang-github-buger-jsonparser-dev . I don't know if
there's a definitive standard...
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544[04:11:40] <notjagspargdon> nobody here uses firefox or
seamonkey on debian linux?
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547[04:12:57] <notjagspargdon> that's fine, lets just
assume it does play h.264 videos as shown by youtube.com/html5.
where are the configure options stored for a given source package
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548[04:13:37] <notjagspargdon> i found a Sources.xz file with
urls and stuff, but i can't seem to track down what invokes
configure \ make \ make install
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551[04:14:36] <notjagspargdon> has anyone in here ever changed a
configure switch on your debian?
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557[04:17:39] <nkuttler> notjagspargdon: debian/rules
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568[04:29:55] <notjagspargdon> thanks nkuttler do you know if
h.264 is supported on firefox or seamonkey by default on debian?
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577[04:40:28] <notjagspargdon> is this a controversial topic or
is this channel of 1477 users usually completely dead?
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578[04:40:51] <notjagspargdon> not many people browsing the web
these days?
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579[04:40:55] <dvs> notjagspargdon, if someone knew the answer
they would speak up
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580[04:41:07] <tiwake> the head count does not reset after the
gas chambers...
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582[04:41:47] <notjagspargdon> #gentoo just banned me because i
asked them the same questions and had the audactiy to not have
installed gentoo to find out for myself
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583[04:42:03] <notjagspargdon> jim in #linux completely dodged
my question after i gav him a url to check support
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585[04:42:58] <tiwake> gentoo is something I want to try after a
certain set of events
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586[04:43:00] <Cefiar> notjagspargdon: youtube.com/html5 tells
me I can play h264 when using Firefix
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587[04:43:18] <notjagspargdon> thank you Cefiar !! my hour long
inquiry is finally complete!
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588[04:43:21] <notjagspargdon> you are my hero
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590[04:43:44] <Cefiar> notjagspargdon: it might depend on video
card support, tho I doubt it.
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593[04:44:12] <Cefiar> err.. I can't type today.. Firefix =
Firefox. ugh
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595[04:44:27] <notjagspargdon> i wouldn't doubt it just
yet, but i have a place to start now (debian source as reference),
thanks you
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597[04:44:57] <Cefiar> notjagspargdon: 52.6.0 (64-bit) fwiw.
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604[04:49:39] <notadrop> What's the easiest way to find the
previous version of a package I had installed?
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605[04:49:44] <notadrop> I need to downgrade/rollback
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607[04:50:43] <tw> Probably read the apt log.
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609[04:51:17] <Cefiar> notadrop: you can browse around
archive.debian.org too and you'll usually see the last version
of a package.
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611[04:52:11] <Cefiar> ie: current and last. eg: libc -
replaced-url
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614[04:53:00] <notadrop> archive.debian.org's slow to load
over here
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615[04:53:23] <Cefiar> notadrop: and there's also
replaced-url
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616[04:53:27] <somiaj> are you confusing archive.debian.org with
snapshot.debian.org?
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618[04:53:51] <Cefiar> somiaj: nope.. I was getting to that. ;)
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619[04:54:05] <notadrop> this package is from unstable
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620[04:54:33] <Cefiar> notadrop: which package?
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621[04:54:38] <notadrop> Cefiar: firefox
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622[04:54:45] <somiaj> notadrop: snapshot.debian.org has older
packages, archive.debian.org has older stable releases.
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624[04:55:10] <Cefiar> notadrop: ah.. so yeah snapshot might be
able to help there.
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625[04:55:56] <notadrop> okay, where do I go from here to find
sid packages?
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626[04:55:59] <notadrop>
replaced-url
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628[04:57:53] <Cefiar> Just the raw pkgs?
replaced-url
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629[04:58:56] <Cefiar> or you could change your sources to point
the link you gave instead (comment out the other lines) and then
just apt-get install it.
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631[04:59:44] <notadrop> it seems like the apt logs would be the
much easier way to do this
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632[04:59:45] <Cefiar> also remember there is firefox and
firefox-esr. that link above is for firefox
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633[05:00:19] <notadrop> google is useless for info on apt log
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634[05:00:33] <notadrop> help me out here? how do I print the
log to the screen?
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635[05:01:12] <Cefiar> less /var/log/apt/history.log (as root)
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637[05:02:24] <Cefiar> Look for lines starting with Upgrade:
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638[05:02:24] <Cefiar> eg: Upgrade: libvpx4:amd64 (1.6.1-3,
1.6.1-3+deb9u1)
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640[05:03:07] <Cefiar> In the ()'s are the versions (from,
to).
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641[05:03:13] <notadrop> what's the argument for grep to
also spit out n preceeding/following lines?
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642[05:03:17] <notadrop> or flag I mean
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643[05:03:25] <notadrop> I don't see it in the man
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644[05:03:43] <notadrop> oh, never mind
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645[05:03:47] <Cefiar> -B (before) and -A (after)
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647[05:04:07] <Cefiar> not that you need it since it'll
have all the detail in the Upgrade: line.
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648[05:04:18] <notadrop> somehow I ended up with a beta version?
foo+b1
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650[05:04:22] <jim> notjagspargdon, I didn't dodge your
question, I believe what I said to you was this: "[20180308
19:05:02] <jim> notjagspargdon, I've been running debian
a long time, yes... but I don't know what an h264 video is...
but I can try to find out if firefox can play one"
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651[05:04:50] <jim> I was going to come here and ask, when
something came up I had to deal with
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652[05:05:00] <notjagspargdon> it's ok jim we're all
busy people, you probably missed the link i pasted right after that
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653[05:05:10] <Cefiar> jim: I know that feeling all too well..
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654[05:05:55] <notadrop> Cefiar:
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655[05:05:55] <notjagspargdon> knowin FF, it's probably a
32-bit problem
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656[05:05:58] <notadrop> Upgrade: firefox:amd64 (58.0.1-1,
58.0.1-1+b1)
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658[05:06:09] <notadrop> first number is previous version?
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659[05:06:38] <jim> having said all that,,, I am still curious:
is an h264 video same as an html5 video?
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660[05:07:00] <notjagspargdon> h264 is a video codec for .mp4
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661[05:07:02] <annadane> they both have 'h' in the
name.
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662[05:07:06] <notadrop> jim: I think the html5 spec supports a
variety of formats? don't quote me on that
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663[05:07:06] * annadane is being helpful
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664[05:07:33] <notjagspargdon> the most widely used one on the
net, but i can't get my browser to play them since like ff
45ish
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666[05:07:49] <notadrop> ?? they work fine for me.
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667[05:07:58] <Cefiar> notadrop: yes, first is previous version.
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668[05:08:04] <notadrop> Cefiar: E: Version '58.0.1-1'
for 'firefox' was not found
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669[05:08:05] <notadrop> ??
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670[05:08:23] <notadrop> oh I think I know why. It might be
looking in stable.
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673[05:08:39] <notadrop> I run firefox package from sid on
stretch, don't tell anyone >>
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674[05:09:07] <Cefiar> 58.0.1-1+b1 is in sid
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675[05:09:21] <jim> well what does youtube put out that html5
can do? (I guess flash is a lost cause these days)
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676[05:09:34] <annadane> i'm not following the conversation
at all but you do realize you don't need to get the latest
firefox from sid
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678[05:09:48] <notadrop> I do, yeah
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680[05:09:57] <annadane> k
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681[05:10:00] <notadrop> I just prefer being able to install
updates with apt, as opposed to downloading a binary
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682[05:10:09] <notjagspargdon> jim: they put out everything, but
its every *other* website that is problematic because they all use
h.264 as the defacto standard
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683[05:10:10] <notadrop> I hate not using package managers on
Linux.
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684[05:10:11] <jim> notadrop, you might be better off building
the sid package from source then installing it
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685[05:10:12] <Cefiar> notadrop: fwiw: apt-cache policy pkgname
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686[05:10:20] <annadane> i saw mention of apt pinning but
i'm too tired to go through it all :P
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687[05:10:39] <notadrop> yeah that is what I've done
annadane
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688[05:10:40] <jim> otherwise you would end up with an
incompatible dependency subtree
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689[05:10:54] <Cefiar> might need to do that soon.. isn't
glibc getting an abi bump?
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690[05:11:03] <annadane> depending on how well the rust stuff
cooperates with building it from source
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691[05:11:18] <notadrop> jim: worked fine until today... I use
something called pacapt because I came from Arch, and somehow the
way it called apt, my firefox update was being held back
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692[05:11:30] <notadrop> so I did "apt upgrade
firefox" and then my problems began
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693[05:11:37] <notadrop> instead of just apt upgrade
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694[05:11:45] <notadrop> I think that's what did it.
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695[05:12:02] <notadrop> also Chrome is complaining that
widevine isn't installed
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696[05:12:15] <notadrop> s/me/mium
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698[05:13:01] <pengwens> what's the difference between
using apt and apt-get? can't you use apt-get update as well?
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699[05:13:39] <notadrop> I thought apt-get was an ubuntu thing.
I've always used apt
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710[05:17:08] <annadane> it's kind of one of those things
where people who have heard it 50 times are liable to go "god
isn't it OBVIOUS that they're virtually the same" but
actually you can learn a lot from newbies
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711[05:17:18] <Cefiar> notadrop:
replaced-url
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712[05:17:29] <Cefiar> notadrop: there's 58.0.1-1 in there
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713[05:17:30] <annadane> force the devs who take it for granted
to maybe have more meaningful seperation in future
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715[05:18:51] <annadane> but yeah apt and apt-get are very
similar and then aptitude is more seperate
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716[05:19:08] <Cefiar> from what I last heard, apt's output
is likely to change over time, whereas apt-get's output
isn't. which to me roughly means 'apt-get is good for
scripting' and 'apt is ok for people to use'
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717[05:19:29] <annadane> you can, indeed, use apt-get update
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719[05:19:37] <Cefiar> afaik, apt-get isn't gonna change
anytime soon, whereas apt still gets active development
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721[05:20:00] <annadane> i don't pay attention because
nothing i do matters for the differences
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724[05:20:45] <annadane> except yes apt-get is preferred for
scripts
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727[05:21:01] <awal1> pengwens, debian package manager is dpkg.
apt is like a front-end (program and library) of dpkg. apt-get ,
aptitude and new apt are front-ends of apt
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740[05:21:53] <awal1> right "first" apt and new one
naming confuses
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744[05:22:57] <pengwens> i have always used aptitude. a friend
of mine told me it is better at purging uneeded files if you remove
stuff.
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746[05:23:06] <Cefiar> notadrop: fwiw, you could add a
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748[05:23:31] <pengwens> with apt, you have to add something
like --purge to clean out old uneccessary files when you remove
something
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751[05:24:40] <annadane> i just apt purge
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753[05:24:55] <annadane> i'm probably violating a million
rules but until something breaks i don't care
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755[05:25:23] <awal1> pengwens: apt-get, aptitude and
"new" apt are just front ends of apt, which calls dpkg
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759[05:26:16] <awal1> calls dpkg for install downloaded pkgs
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761[05:27:00] <notadrop> pacapt is where it's at
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762[05:27:12] <notadrop> I'm not sure if it calls dpkg
directly... I'd assume it does
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764[05:27:45] <awal1> dpkg: apt
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765[05:27:45] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package
management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++
library of functions that are used by several command line programs
for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude
and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also
<aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt
myths>.
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768[05:28:33] <notadrop> dpkg: apt myths
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769[05:28:33] <dpkg> Myths about APT never seem to die, the
principal one being you can't mix using different APT
front-ends like apt-get and aptitude. This is false. If you need
further convincing, see
replaced-url
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770[05:28:36] <awal1> ^confirms what I said, almost
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772[05:29:03] <awal1> not sure about factoid for "calling
dpkg" :P
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773[05:29:04] <pengwens> hey cool!
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774[05:29:38] <awal1> anyway, things are obvious. debian pkg
manager is dpkg
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775[05:29:54] <annadane> dpkg: systemd myths
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776[05:29:54] <dpkg> annadane: i don't know
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777[05:29:56] <annadane> :(
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781[05:32:06] <pengwens> this -> "with apt-get you have
to switch between apt-get and apt-cache depending on the operation
that you want to do"
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782[05:32:08] <awal1> dpkg: apt myths
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783[05:32:08] <dpkg> Myths about APT never seem to die, the
principal one being you can't mix using different APT
front-ends like apt-get and aptitude. This is false. If you need
further convincing, see
replaced-url
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784[05:32:24] <pengwens> that's one reason i just stick
with aptitude
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788[05:32:53] <pengwens> all these years, i've never
understood why a bunch of the forumns have been asking people to run
apt-get (or now the "new" apt)
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791[05:34:28] <awal1> pengwens, all achieve same goals
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792[05:35:19] <awal1> each have a few different options but they
are all complementary; one may use them all depending on needs
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795[05:36:12] <pengwens> awal1, that post does agree with my old
knowledge: if you start using one, stick with it
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796[05:36:20] <pengwens> i will now be less afraid of mixing
them
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805[05:40:13] <awal1> pengwens, in the past apt-get doesn't
know about pkgs automatically installed by aptitude, so mixing them
results in troubles. now they share that, so no problem mixing
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838[05:57:14] <teatime> pengwens: you're fine to mix
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839[05:57:43] <teatime> apt, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic,
whatever. just read what it says to you via the screen before you
press y… that's the real path to success.
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841[05:58:21] <annadane> eww gui package managers
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845[05:59:57] <Cefiar> hrm, speaking of which, how do I disable
the auto-upgrades in stretch (keeps popping up a msg in the gui)?
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848[06:00:17] <annadane> probably dpkg-reconfigure
unattended-upgrades (as root)
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850[06:00:23] <annadane> if that's what you have set up
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855[06:00:58] <Cefiar> annadane: it'd be whatever comes by
default in stretch from a blank install with the default UI options.
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856[06:01:28] <annadane> well, what is the message?
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858[06:02:37] <Cefiar> haven't got it at the moment (I
dismiss it).. but bawsically says it wants to reboot and install
upgrades.. which I know would currently break my system. ;)
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862[06:03:45] <annadane> er... maybe you have the needrestart
package
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865[06:03:50] <annadane> not sure
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866[06:04:36] <Cefiar> no biggie.. just bothers me
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867[06:04:37] <annadane> in which case if it is that i
don't actually know how to turn it off
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871[06:05:16] <Cefiar> I think I can just turn off pkgupdater
notifications in the gui.. but that doesn't remove the
underlying issue
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877[06:06:49] <satoshi2> test
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882[06:08:08] <satoshi2> Linux wiiu 4.15.0-next-20180202-wiiu #1
PREEMPT Fri Mar 9 01:40:28 UTC 2018 ppc GNU/Linux
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891[06:13:52] <Cefiar> annadane: ahh yup..
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
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932[06:31:15] <snake99> Looking for a pit.
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950[06:39:45] <werkin> Hello, I'm on Buster and I'm
having a problem with console keymaps. VC Keymap is set to
"dvorak" in localectl and /etc/vconsole.conf's only
content is 'KEYMAP=dvorak'. However, it defaults to QWERTY
at startup and I have to do loadkeys manually.
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952[06:40:48] <werkin> loadkeys doesn't complain itself but
dpkg-reconfigure console-{data,common} gives me 'adding map 3
violates explicit keymaps line\nFailed to load keymap!'
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954[06:41:26] <werkin> This applies to all dvorak based keymaps
so dvorak.kmap.gz is probably at fault but I made sure to confirm
it's the stock version.
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970[06:52:14] <Whatuphomeslice1> Hey all!
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971[06:52:17] <Whatuphomeslice1> I'm new here
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974[06:52:53] <Whatuphomeslice1> I'm looking for some solid
education on Debian, pentesting, coding all that jazz. Does anyone
have any good suggestions?
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981[06:57:00] <werkin> I think I'm better off asking
#debian-next if this is the stable channel.
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1048[07:36:00] <notjagspargdon> since you guys helped me out
instead of banning me earlier, i will share my findings. i had
mp4's working earlier and then it stopped working. i noticed a
filename changed from FFmpeg*.tar.gz to ffmpeg*.tar.gz and my build
script has a fallback that will just build normally if there are no
configuration options that match (match was looking for FFmpeg),
well that caused it to build without any options like
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1050[07:36:02] <notjagspargdon> --enable-shared which i suspect
was needed for firefox to work
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1051[07:36:15] <notjagspargdon> s/earlier/last year/
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1153[08:46:45] <OtakuSenpai> hey
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1155[08:47:15] <OtakuSenpai> how do i setup $remote_host and
$remote_user for ssh
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1156[08:47:25] <OtakuSenpai> im a newb in this area
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1158[08:48:42] <Li> I've just finished install my 1st
debian+gnome distro and it seems very weird to me! I thought most of
ubuntu stuff will be the same.
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1159[08:48:52] <Li> - ifconfig is not there
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1160[08:49:14] <Li> opening more than one instance of the same
application is NO NO
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1162[08:50:18] <Li> 1st installation dvd iso file contains all
needed components yet I had to download 3 dvds, now I'm not
sure what the other 2 are for!
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1163[08:50:39] <somiaj> Li: ifconfig has been depericated for a
while and is just not installed by default, as most using gnome
would just use network-manager. You can install net-tools if you
want ifconfig, or just use ip.
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1165[08:51:25] <somiaj> Debian provides hundereds of packages,
(actually 14 dvd's worth) and the first three dvd's just
contain the most popular packages. You won't use them all.
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1166[08:52:05] <somiaj> as for opening more than one instance of
an application, this totally depends on the application, and use
case.
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1168[08:52:50] <Li> somiaj: yep, my point was knowing that before
having to download 3 dvds (not complaining) since I've a good
connection now but I know how this could feel for those have not got
one
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1169[08:52:56] <Li> been there myself
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1170[08:53:22] <somiaj> I usually just suggest the netinstaller
and then from there choose to only download the packages you want to
use.
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1172[08:53:53] <Li> normal applications like file browsers for
example should be possible to open more than 1 window which is not
the case on this brand new insllation
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1173[08:53:55] <somiaj> in terms of debian vs ubuntu, debian
provides a lot more choice, but this means things may take a bit
more configuring, since things have to be compadable with lots of
different ways of using the packages.
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1174[08:54:29] <somiaj> that might totally depend on the file
manager used, and if it is configured to open up a tab in the
current instance or a new window. I can't say much on that as I
don't use any file manager.
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1175[08:54:30] <Li> somiaj: I've changed to debian because
of stability rather than more packages
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1176[08:55:08] <somiaj> Li: I was more just commenting on you may
find things take a bit more tweaking and aren't setup by
default like you would want them to, not the reason. (:
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1179[08:57:38] <Li> somiaj: I do appreciate that, and I hope I
not have to look for another distro very soon
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1180[08:58:37] <Li> can I use .deb packages that downloaded on
ubuntu 16.04 on debian 9?
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1181[08:58:46] <somiaj> !don't break debian
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1182[08:58:46] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is
replaced-url
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1183[08:58:52] <somiaj> Li: not with the possiblity of breaking
things
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1184[08:58:59] <Li> specially that this new insllation
didn't recognize both network cards
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1185[08:59:00] <somiaj> with=without
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1187[08:59:56] <somiaj> is one a wifi, debian has a fairly clear
policy on free software, and as such non-free firmware is not
included in the default main section. YOu ahve to setup and install
additional repos to install the non-free firmware needed for most
wifi cards
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1188[09:00:40] <Li> I'm looking here
replaced-url
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1189[09:01:15] <somiaj> oh yea, broadcom cards are the worst
about this, and that is a bit more involved than just installing
non-free firmware to get some of them working.
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1190[09:01:29] <Li> I totally agree with debian and shame on
broadcom but that still doesn't solve my connectitivity issues
here
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1192[09:01:44] <somiaj> you can do it without internt, but it is
a pain to get all the packages, since you had all the dvds, only
package you were missing were the non-free ones.
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1193[09:01:51] <somiaj> but yea internet makes it the easiest.
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1194[09:01:58] <Li> somiaj: I'm assuming buying new cards ..
which ones are better in linux world?
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1195[09:02:44] <somiaj> Kinda depends. I would look them up
first. Are you talking about wifi cards here?
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1198[09:04:40] <Li> in the above mentioned url the debian folks
assume the person has a second card to connect to internet and
install the propretiry hw driver! it's much easire to assume
less false assumption like in my laptop case there is nothing else I
can connect to internet
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1199[09:05:05] <Li> both cards were not recognized and it would
be better if there is an offline .deb file to download and install
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1200[09:05:25] <Li> that is why I asked if possible to use the
one I had from ubuntu
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1202[09:05:46] <somiaj> It is more the non-free issue, and
debian's policy to ensure all of its install media is only from
main.
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1203[09:06:24] <somiaj> The broadcom cards just end up being the
biggest pain with this in debian, most require just downloading a
single firmware .deb and then it works. There is also an offical
net-isntaller that contains non-free firmware on it for this reason.
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1204[09:06:52] <somiaj> But broadcom won't let debian ship
its firmware and the company won't work to get their driver in
the linux kernel, so I see this more as a broadcom issue.
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1206[09:08:19] <Li> monopoly
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1207[09:08:35] <OtakuSenpai> hey
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1219[09:14:59] <Li> I've cleared couple of sources.list
lines, tried to apt update but it says updating from such a repo.
can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default
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1221[09:15:29] <somiaj> cleared up a couple of soruces.list? What
sources.list are you using? care to paste it at paste.debian.net?
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1234[09:26:08] <Li> somiaj: I've unmarked repository entries
from /etc/apt/source.list
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1235[09:26:16] <Li> to make apt update
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1236[09:27:09] <Li> because the last one is complaining about
none secure updates
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1241[09:29:52] <somiaj> Li: do you have debian-archive-keyring
installed?
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1245[09:31:20] <Li> I'm not sure how to know/answer that
question
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1246[09:31:35] <Li> I've unmarked and added non-free to each
line of sources.list
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1247[09:31:42] <Li> yet apt update is not working
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1249[09:32:16] <Li> apt-get udate > data from such a repo.
ca't be authenticated and is therefore potenitally dangerous to
use.
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1250[09:32:57] <bazhang> li did you paste the sources.list for
the chanel yet
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1251[09:33:01] <Li> what other secure repository should I be
using? why not listed directly in the installation medium?
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1253[09:33:30] <Li> bazhang: nope I didn't, it's on a
different PC
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1257[09:34:32] <somiaj> anyways, make sure you have the
debian-archive-keyring installed and are only using debian sources.
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1259[09:35:07] <thms_> How can I know if my package is from, say,
squeeze or wheezy ?
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1260[09:35:17] <thms_> dpkg -l|grep deb7 isn't so clean..
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1261[09:35:18] <dpkg> thms_: KCI error, or a problem with the
Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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1265[09:39:46] <somiaj> !don't break debian
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1266[09:39:46] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break
debian is
replaced-url
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1269[09:40:31] <somiaj> thms_: in general we do not support
mixing packages like that, it is a good way to break things. You can
use apt policy packagename to see what packages you have avaiable,
but once it is on your system you just have to compare versions.
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1297[09:58:11] <thms_> somiaj, I'd like a list with
$packagename: $distro :/
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1305[10:07:27] <jelly> thms_: you can't know once it's
installed. You can look at version installed and versions available
in repos but that may not be conclusive.
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1307[10:08:23] <jelly> thms_: if you still have both releases
repos enabled, apt-cache policy packagename [packagename ...]
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1311[10:09:31] <jelly> somiaj: picking from _newer_ releases is a
good way to break thnigs. Picking a few packages from older release
is usually quite safe.
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1368[10:44:07] <wrksx> hey there !
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1371[10:45:30] <wrksx> Is that okay to mount the same partition
twice ? It seems that mount --bind has achieved something like this
but I'm not quite sure hom to set the fstab
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1376[10:47:16] <jim> you can bind mount multiple times... curious
tho, what makes that attractive?
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1380[10:49:12] <wrksx> jim: I inherited a system config, the ftp
jail is a dedicated partition. I have files outside that are also on
a dedicated partition, and I want to make them available in the ftp
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1384[10:50:02] <wrksx> So i --binded the second partition in a
subdir of the ftp folder
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1386[10:50:08] <wrksx> works fine
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1387[10:50:19] <wrksx> now I want to set that in the fstab
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1389[10:50:39] <wrksx> but when I run mount it doesn't
mention a bind mount
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1390[10:50:56] <jim> anyway... source package question: I'm
looking at a source package, supercollider_3.8.0~repack-2.dsc,
supercollider_3.8.0~repack.orig.tar.gz,
supercollider_3.8.0~repack-2.debian.tar.xz
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1391[10:51:11] <wrksx> it shows that the partition is mounted
twice RW so I was wondering if that's legal to do in my fstab
instead of bind
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1392[10:52:02] <wrksx> jim: so the real question is can I mount
the same partition in rw twice without issues ?
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1393[10:52:16] <jim> wrksx, you could bind-mount stuff in the ftp
dir
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1396[10:54:07] <wrksx> alright
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1397[10:54:25] <wrksx> is there a debian way to edit fstab or
should I just edit it 'manually' ?
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1399[10:55:06] <jim> -or- if the current ftp dir is of something
that's a special purpose, you can make another dir as your ftp
dir, make dirs for your bind mounts, make a dir for the original ftp
dir (named for its purpose), do the mounts, and restart the ftp
server... HOWEVER NOTE, that -authenticated- ftp is -absolutely- not
recommended, you should not use plain ftp, and use sftp (based on
ssh) instead
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1401[10:56:10] <jim> unless you want users' ftp credentials
floating around the internet on some hacker list
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1402[10:56:21] <wrksx> actually I don'twant that =)
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1403[10:56:43] <jim> I souldn't think so :)
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1404[10:56:48] <wrksx> but it's kind of a legacy ftp
I'll bring back up a few days and then the box will go down
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1406[10:57:24] <wrksx> maybe a bit more than a few but you get
the idea
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1407[10:57:25] <jim> let whoever's going to connect use an
sftp client
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1408[10:57:36] <wrksx> yeah would be better
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1412[10:58:19] <jim> anyway, you take your security into your own
hands... and now, its up to you
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1413[10:59:01] <wrksx> thx for the reminder anyway
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1415[11:00:00] <wrksx> So what about the fstab file should I edit
it directly or is there some kind of higher level interface to add a
mount
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1416[11:00:12] <jim> see if there's an fstab.d dir
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1418[11:01:05] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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1423[11:01:34] <jim> but anyway, I wonder if anyone knows about
debian source packages... the supercollider one has the word
"repack" in the name, what does that mean?
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1425[11:02:00] <jim> hi
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1429[11:02:20] <Blueskaj> 'Morning
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1438[11:05:55] <Maze77> mhh. I get "failed to connect to
bus: No such file or directory" if i run systemd --user (inside
a fresh lxc) any ideas?
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1453[11:14:55] <Ke> Maze77: do you have dbus running?
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1455[11:15:52] <darxmurf> I have a rsync crashing with a folder
with 5Mio files inside :-/
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1456[11:16:09] <darxmurf> rsync error: error allocating core
memory buffers (code 22) at util2.c(106) [sender=3.1.2]
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1458[11:16:17] <darxmurf> is there something I can do to fix that
?
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1459[11:16:29] <darxmurf> ERROR: out of memory in hashtable_node
[sender]
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1460[11:16:36] <darxmurf> I have 24Gb of RAM on the source
machine
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1464[11:17:31] <petn-randall> darxmurf: Do you have the same on
the destination machine?
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1467[11:17:44] <darxmurf> memory ?
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1468[11:17:48] <petn-randall> darxmurf: yes
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1469[11:17:51] <darxmurf> 16Gb
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1472[11:18:16] <darxmurf> before that I had 8Gb on the source and
I added 16 this morning to see
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1475[11:18:41] <petn-randall> darxmurf: You might be able to
rsync subfolders to make the memory footprint smaller.
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1481[11:19:10] <darxmurf> it's one big folder with 5 mio
files in... (I have users)
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1483[11:19:21] <darxmurf> s/have/hate/
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1486[11:19:58] <darxmurf> I'll ask the guy to cleanup this
sh*t
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1491[11:20:50] <Maze77> Ke: Yes i have
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1509[11:28:22] <petn-randall> darxmurf: I bet even a
'ls' on the folder takes ages.
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1510[11:29:23] <darxmurf> oooh yes
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1511[11:29:32] <darxmurf> and don't even try to rm * :D
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1513[11:29:36] <darxmurf> it crashes
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1514[11:30:07] <darxmurf> by the way you probably know the rsync
trick to speed up deletes ? :-)
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1516[11:30:39] <darxmurf> use the --delete option to rsync an
empty folder in a full one, it's faster than rm and find |
xargs
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1517[11:30:47] <darxmurf> :-)
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1519[11:31:02] <darxmurf> and it's week-end time, see you
folks !
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1523[11:32:54] <BCMM> darxmurf: hang on are you saying it's
faster than rm -r?
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1525[11:33:04] <BCMM> that's awesome, but *how*?
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1531[11:36:37] <darxmurf> rm is doing tests and stuffs before to
delete a file
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1532[11:36:43] <darxmurf> rsync dosen't care
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1533[11:36:51] <darxmurf> apparently it's even faster with a
perl script
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1539[11:40:36] <Kelsar> if you need to delete a directory you
can't even list anymore, because of the number of files, unlink
the directory and do fsck ;)
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1544[11:45:03] <wrksx> Hum this line in the fstab causes an
error: /static /ftp/static none defaults, bind 0 0
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1545[11:45:13] <wrksx> the error is: mount: /static is not a
block device
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1546[11:45:38] <wrksx> but if I do mount --bind /static
/ftp/static it works right away
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1547[11:45:39] <petererer> try defaults,bind
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1548[11:45:52] <petererer> pretty sure you can't have a
space there
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1549[11:45:56] <wrksx> oh my
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1550[11:46:09] <wrksx> never suspected that
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1551[11:46:17] <wrksx> Goin to try that
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1552[11:46:24] <petererer> it's a space-separated file, so
:)
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1553[11:46:26] <wrksx> IS there a way to test fstab without
reboot ?
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1554[11:46:31] <petererer> "mount /static"
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1556[11:46:45] <wrksx> petererer: yeah right =) I just
didn't even see it
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1557[11:46:59] <wrksx> petererer: perfect, goin to try it right
now thx
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1565[11:52:53] <wrksx> petererer: the mount /static command
doesn't work it says /sda5 is already mounted on /static
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1566[11:53:15] <wrksx> I don't get it, should i reference
the source or the mount point in mount
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1570[11:54:06] <teatime> wrksx: normally you have to give both
device and mountpoint, but if the device/mountpoint pair is already
configured in /etc/fstab, you can give either one
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1571[11:54:09] <wrksx> petererer: actually man mount answered my
question
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1572[11:54:20] <wrksx> then mount looks for a mountpoint (and if
not found then for a device) in the /etc/fstab file.
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1573[11:54:45] <wrksx> teatime: thx for your input
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1574[11:54:53] <wrksx> I'll try with the mountpoint instead
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1575[11:54:57] <teatime> `mount -a` will try to mount all from
fstab that are auto (instead of noauto) & aren't already
mounted
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1578[11:56:03] <petererer> wrksx, well it was already mounted.
just unmount it first, then try.
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1580[11:56:49] <wrksx> petererer: no it wasn't, atually
/static was also a mountpoint, and mount check these before checking
mount src
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1582[11:57:03] <wrksx> mount /ftp/static worked
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1586[11:57:31] <wrksx> petererer: teatime: thank you guys, very
nice to get some help
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1587[11:57:43] <petererer> Oh, of course. The "you can give
either one" is probably not right for bind mount points :-)
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1616[12:14:37] <Slashman> hello, I'm trying to figure out
why on some servers on Debian 9 I don't have any the following
cgroup hierarchy: /sys/fs/cgroup/pids/user.slice/user-[0-9]*.slice/
while on other I have it, any idea?
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1632[12:23:44] <petn-randall> Slashman: Out of curiosity, or are
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1636[12:26:07] <Slashman> petn-randall: I need to update the
maximum number of processes on a several servers for users currently
logged in with an ansible role I'm creating, it means updating
the files /sys/fs/cgroup/pids/user.slice/user-[0-9]*.slice/pids.max
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1733[13:39:05] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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1734[13:39:32] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know, when my friend
start it's computer, he has an error "a start job is
running for Wait for network to be configured by ifupdown"
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1739[13:41:20] <tobiasBora> the problem is that this stays during
5mn, really long
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1740[13:41:54] <tobiasBora> we tried to change
DefaultTimeoutStopSec and DefaultTimeoutStartSec in
/etc/systemd/system.conf, but the time is not changed
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1744[13:42:48] <tobiasBora> any idea why these default settings
does not apply at boot?
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1748[13:46:28] <RoyK> tobiasBora: quite possibly an nfs mount or
something similar
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1751[13:49:27] <tobiasBora> RoyK: what is the link with network
and mouting?
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1755[13:50:46] <RoyK> tobiasBora: if you add _netdev in mount
options, it shouldn't try to mount that fs before networking is
active
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1768[14:01:59] <tobiasBora> RoyK: the thing is that I don't
want to wait that the network become available to start. But I think
I pointed it out
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1769[14:02:48] * teatime considers IPv6 DAD, but that shouldn't
take near 5min
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1772[14:04:00] <abrotman> tobiasBora: if you add the _netdev, it
will tell fstab that it needs to attempt to mount hte FS after the
network appears
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1774[14:04:03] <abrotman> if that's the problem
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1775[14:04:46] <RoyK> (like I said :þ)
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1777[14:04:55] <z8z> Is there any GUI tool to compare binary
files using Krusader?
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1784[14:07:19] <tobiasBora> abrotman: well I don't want to
mount any FS, everything is fine ^^ I just want to understand why
systemd-networkd-wait-online.service was enabled by default, and why
changing DefaultTimeoutStartSec in /etc/systemd/system.conf did not
decrease the 5mn before it starts
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1786[14:09:02] <Jackneill> hey
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1789[14:10:12] <Jackneill> i have a RADIUS network and want to
setup metworkmanager to connect to it (username,pw). how can i?
user's username is the same as the login username so is pw.
networkmanagewr finds that connection but unable to connect to it,
and just forever tries to connect.
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1790[14:10:14] <Jackneill> any idea?
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1795[14:13:20] <teatime> do you mean 802.1x or something?
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1811[14:23:05] <_k0ala_> Hello, I have a question.
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1813[14:23:21] <_k0ala_> Where are my connections stored in
Debian?
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1814[14:23:39] <_k0ala_> So like if I want to manage my
connections via a CLI, how would I do that?
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1815[14:24:13] <tobiasBora> _k0ala_: nmcli is the cli tool of
network manager
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1816[14:24:22] <tobiasBora> it's quite powerful
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1818[14:24:28] <_k0ala_> tobiasBora thanks.
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1865[14:51:59] <l0nl3y> how to set path for any program so as to
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1874[14:53:51] <petn-randall> l0nl3y: Can you explain what
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1877[14:54:58] <l0nl3y> making a program open from terminal such
that when i set certain name it opens when i call it in teminal
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1878[14:55:39] <l0nl3y> like any other programs that open when
you type in termainal
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1879[14:56:29] <ikus060> l0nl3y: Are you refering to the PATH
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1881[14:57:11] <l0nl3y> how to set it permanently
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1882[14:57:29] <ikus060> l0nl3y: You may redefine it at various
place. At user level in ~/.bashrc , at system level in /etc/bashrc
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1883[14:58:11] <ikus060> l0nl3y: You need to append directory
location like this. export PATH="$PATH:/my/new/path"
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1893[15:01:23] <donofrio> is debian going to support wsl users
here or are you folks going to create a separate channel?
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1904[15:06:59] <Brigo> donofrio, wsl?
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1908[15:08:45] <teatime> donofrio: def. not going to be supported
here, lol
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1909[15:08:57] <donofrio> Brigo, windows subsystem for linux
replaced-url
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1910[15:09:23] <Brigo> donofrio, i don't know how could we
support that.
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1911[15:09:35] * teatime was about to setup a 4-drive mdadm raid10 w/
LVM on top, but now is thinking, perhaps I should use the raid
features of LVM instead of mdadm? never done that before...
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1912[15:09:50] <Brigo> teatime, ask google.
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1913[15:09:52] <teatime> it almost seems like I can choose to
have mirroring or not etc. etc. (and thus have much more usable
space, ultimately) on a per-LV basis
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1914[15:09:55] <teatime> but that doesn't seem right?
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1915[15:10:00] <donofrio> I guess I was just asking cause ubuntu
has two channels and was hoping that this one would be supported in
this channel but if two then so be it
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1916[15:10:04] <teatime> Brigo: uh. about what?
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1917[15:10:24] <Brigo> about what is best for you.
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1922[15:11:20] <Brigo> donofrio, i have never used wsl, so i
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1924[15:13:09] <donofrio> Brigo, Debian is in "the
Store" now so it's from this group and hosted on MS
store.... I use ubuntu (replaced-url
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1938[15:22:38] <ChunkzZ> can anyone help me setup minidlna?
I've _tried_ to set it up but my xbox doesn't see it :(
I'm using Debian Stretch.....
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1960[15:37:39] <Jackneill> how can i setup persistent remote
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after running the upgrade commands, I get an error when booting. My
keyboard is not recognized hence I am stuck with the error screen
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1987[15:51:51] <donofrio> zmei, ppc or x86
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1988[15:51:54] <ejr> if i want to use testing, should i have the
security packaged activated or not? the wiki is a bit ambiguos about
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1994[15:53:29] <petn-randall> !buster sources.list
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1995[15:53:29] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" has only just
been released which means that it's a bad time for people who
don't know a lot about Debian to be trying to use the
'testing' release (aka buster). If you have to ask this
question, you shouldn't!
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1996[15:53:32] <petn-randall> ejr: ^
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1997[15:53:40] <petn-randall> hmm, that doesn't help too
much.
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1998[15:54:12] <petn-randall> ejr: In general testing
doesn't receive any updates via security.debian.org, so no,
that shouldn't be in your sources.list.
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2000[15:54:22] <petn-randall> ejr: Any reason you want to upgrade
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2003[15:54:58] * teatime is gonna add testing, unstable, experimental,
etc., to his stable workstation, and pin them like -1 or -50000 or
whatever. just so he can use apt-show-versions and everything else
on them easily.
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2004[15:55:05] <ejr> petn-randall: yes, i need some newer
versions of a few packages
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2005[15:55:09] <petn-randall> !sns
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2006[15:55:10] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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2007[15:55:16] <aci> Stretch is dull and boring and sounds like
Etch.
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2008[15:55:34] <aci> Can't have it that way!
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2009[15:55:40] <petn-randall> ejr: You should use backports
instead, testing is not a release, it's a testbed for the
upcoming release.
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2010[15:56:35] <ejr> petn-randall: i have already used testing
for some time a few years ago and didn't experience any issues
though. isn't what you say more appropriate for unstable?
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2011[15:57:16] <petn-randall> ejr: testing is pretty much the
same as sid, just 5 days older.
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2012[15:58:00] <petn-randall> teatime: or you could simply use
docker or a chroot for that.
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2013[15:58:07] <teatime> petn-randall: I suppose
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it's setup just fine. what can I do?
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2081[16:30:30] <donofrio> zmei, reinstall from fresh hd wipe,
does it work then?
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2086[16:31:13] <notadrop> Hi, I tried to downgrade to the
previous version of Firefox, but I'm not able to. I'm
still kind of new to Debian. Is the previous version no longer in
the repos? (I didn't see it in snapshot.debian.org, so where do
I get it from?)
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2087[16:31:13] <wuzamarine> I cannot update
replaced-url
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2090[16:32:09] <wuzamarine> notadrop: why would you be
backporting? you want the latest/greatest only.
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2092[16:32:30] <notadrop> wuzamarine: ah, you assume to know what
I want better than I do. cool
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2093[16:32:55] <notadrop> actually I am on stable and I use
Firefox from sid, and I accidentally broke a thing, so I need to go
back one version
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2094[16:33:04] <wuzamarine> notadrop: its not about what you
want, you're not supposed to be running eol code.
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2096[16:33:35] <zmei> donofrio, can't do anything apart from
rebooting using the power button
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2097[16:33:38] <notadrop> wuzamarine: so can you help me roll
back to the previous version or not
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2098[16:33:46] <notadrop> if not, please stop hilighting me,
thank you
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2099[16:34:04] <notadrop> I understand where you are coming from
btw
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2100[16:34:16] <wuzamarine> notadrop: typically those avenues are
blocked, for a very good reason. Takes crafty work to hack it in.
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2102[16:34:20] <notadrop> the update I accidentally installed was
actually being held back.
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2103[16:34:25] <zmei> I have no screw driver for the screws to
access the hard drive
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2104[16:34:33] <notadrop> wuzamarine: yes I'm aware. I used
to run Arch so hacky doesn't scare me, lol.
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2105[16:35:01] <notadrop> as in, hacked together with duct tape
:)
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2107[16:35:19] <donofrio> zmei, no need hold down option key and
boot menu should show up....from a power up
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2108[16:36:08] <notadrop> wuzamarine: this is confusing me:
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2109[16:36:11] <wuzamarine> notadrop:
replaced-url
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2110[16:36:12] <RoyK> that thing about the option key is just to
avoid the stupid things they have done in ubuntu - not a ebian
problem
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2111[16:36:36] <RoyK> s/\<ebian\>/debian/
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2112[16:36:37] <notadrop> sudo less /var/log/apt/history.log |
grep firefox
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2113[16:36:40] <notadrop> Upgrade: firefox:amd64 (58.0.1-1,
58.0.1-1+b1)
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2114[16:36:47] <notadrop> then
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2115[16:36:49] <notadrop> sudo less /var/log/apt/history.log |
grep firefox
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2116[16:36:52] <notadrop> Upgrade: firefox:amd64 (58.0.1-1,
58.0.1-1+b1)
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2117[16:36:53] <notadrop> damn it, sorry
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2118[16:37:04] <notadrop> E: Unable to locate package
firefox=58.0.1-1
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2119[16:37:09] <RoyK> notadrop: or just 'sudo grep firefox
/var/log/apt/history.log'
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2120[16:37:19] <RoyK> no need to go through less
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2121[16:37:20] <notadrop> so why can apt not find this package?
is it no longer in the repo?
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2122[16:37:28] <notadrop> RoyK: thanks!
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2123[16:37:53] <wuzamarine> notadrop: the repo drops eol code.
Thats one of the BENEFITS of Linux.
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2124[16:37:58] <RoyK> dpkg -l | grep -i firefox? apt search
firefox?
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2125[16:37:58] <dpkg> ii | grep -i firefox? apt search firefox
1.7-15.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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2126[16:38:01] <notadrop> and, like I said, I'm new to
Debian, but [version]+b1 looks to me to be beta one
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2127[16:38:08] <zmei> donofrio it does show up but my keyboard is
not recognized
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2128[16:38:25] <notadrop> wuzamarine: again I understand...
you're telling me things I already know
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2129[16:38:28] <zmei> So it uses the default option and the error
shows up again
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2130[16:38:56] <wuzamarine> notadrop: you're trying to do
something considered very ignorant. Yes, the repo dropped that old
nasty/hacked version of FF
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2131[16:39:29] <notadrop> wuzamarine: apt was holding the update
back until I specifically told it to upgrade firefox by accident
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2133[16:39:49] <notadrop> wuzamarine: again you presume to know
more about my sitation than I do, please just stop
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2134[16:40:26] <wuzamarine> notadrop: you probably accidently
updated your repo list. Then it broke the bad news to you when the
list refreshed.
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2135[16:41:02] <notadrop> wuzamarine: is there not some cache of
previoius versions of packages on Debian, like Arch has, in case of
e.g. regression?
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2136[16:41:09] <notadrop> wuzamarine: on the local system
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2137[16:41:49] <wuzamarine> notadrop: which all the internet
hacks? nope. Old code gets completely ditched very quickly in the
browser down streams
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2138[16:42:01] <teatime> yes, there is one on the local system,
if you don't erase it (and I beleive apt command may by
default)
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2139[16:42:04] <teatime> also snapshots.debian.org
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2140[16:42:15] <notadrop> *thank you* teatime
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2141[16:42:20] <wuzamarine> with
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2142[16:42:30] <teatime> FF 58 seems like an odd one to be trying
to get back to
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2143[16:42:32] <notadrop> which man page do I read to learn more
about this teatime? I don't see anything relevant in apt-cache
so far.
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2144[16:42:35] <teatime> you are not on stable, are you?
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2145[16:42:39] <notadrop> I am
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2146[16:42:47] <teatime> how did you get 58 to begin with?
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2147[16:42:52] <notadrop> I have my ways
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2148[16:42:54] <notadrop> apt pinning
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2149[16:43:02] <notadrop> or repo pinning or whatever it's
called.
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2151[16:43:20] <notadrop> the whole reason I'm trying to do
this is to get Tidal and Netflix to work again
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2152[16:43:33] <notadrop> like I mentioned to another user in
here, they worked when I was on 58.0.1-1
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2153[16:43:41] <teatime> netflix works in firefox-esr for me,
fwiw
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2154[16:43:43] <notadrop> and broke when I accidentally
explicitly upgraded to +b1
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2155[16:44:00] <notadrop> just
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2156[16:44:18] <notadrop> what I am trying to do is find a local
cache of the previous version of Firefox I had installed
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2157[16:44:29] <notadrop> I am aware that ESR works, repo pinning
is hacky, EOL code is bad, etc etc
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2159[16:45:27] <notadrop> surely there's some way to do this
in Debian?
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2160[16:45:33] <wuzamarine> notadrop: 58 should be available. The
Mint downstream is still on 57
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2161[16:45:33] <teatime> welp, the pkgs are in
/var/cache/apt/archives
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2162[16:45:45] <teatime> so you can at least see if you have it;
snapshots.debian.org may work better for you
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2163[16:45:50] <teatime> good luck and godspeed etc. etc.
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2164[16:45:55] <petn-randall> notadrop: Where did you install FF
58 from?
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2165[16:46:17] <notadrop> teatime: thank you, much appreciated :)
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2166[16:46:28] <notadrop> teatime: have a good weekend.
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2171[16:50:24] <wuzamarine> In my cynical old age I find it
somewhat amusing to watch admins desperately trying to revive
zombies. EOL = end of life. Let it be dead.
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2175[16:51:08] <wuzamarine> even though 58 its really dead.
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2177[16:51:15] <wuzamarine> just in your package tree.
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2178[16:51:23] <wuzamarine> isn't
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2179[16:51:30] <wuzamarine> dead
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2183[16:52:35] <wuzamarine> I am having the complete opposite
issue, can't update. :/
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2184[16:52:47] <teatime> wuzamarine: oh?
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2188[16:53:27] <wuzamarine> teatime: I cannot update
replaced-url
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2190[16:55:06] <teatime> wuzamarine: 1) for the moment, you can
just disable that repo and do the rest of your updates, 2) ubuntu
ppa's ??
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2193[16:55:59] <petn-randall> !bat
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2194[16:55:59] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2195[16:56:09] <notadrop> is Debian Stable more secure than Arch
Linux by default?
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2196[16:56:19] <petn-randall> wuzamarine: We would need *all* of
the above to help you, just an excerpt is not enough. ^^^
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2203[16:59:14] <wuzamarine> teatime: trying that now
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2208[17:00:04] <wuzamarine> petn-randall:
replaced-url
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2209[17:00:09] <wuzamarine> my bad
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2216[17:01:43] <notadrop> teatime: maybe you can help me figure
something out. when I did a system-wide upgrade, everything still
worked fine, apt held back a firefox upgrade. I update, and I break
drm (even in Chromium.) I roll back firefox and things still
don't work
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2219[17:02:07] <notadrop> I update firefox**
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2220[17:02:19] <notadrop> third sentence should start with that
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2224[17:03:21] <wuzamarine> petn-randall: yeah, that worked. I
should of seen that. Thank you!
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2225[17:04:07] <wuzamarine> notadrop: just uninstall FF and then
reinstall from source
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2226[17:04:20] <wuzamarine> kick it out of the package manager
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2227[17:04:36] <wuzamarine> no exactly advisable, but still
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2229[17:05:16] <petn-randall> notadrop: You still haven't
explained how you got FF 58 on stable.
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2232[17:05:30] <notadrop> petn-randall: repo pinning of Firefox
and some libs it needs
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2233[17:05:39] <notadrop> petn-randall: I know, it's kind of
hacky, but it's worked for me *so far*
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2234[17:05:45] <petn-randall> notadrop: Repo pinning of *what*?
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2236[17:06:13] <petn-randall> wuzamarine: You likely want to ask
in #ubuntu for further support, this channel is for Debian only.
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2237[17:06:15] <notadrop> petn-randall: sid
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2238[17:06:17] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
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2239[17:06:17] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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2240[17:06:25] <petn-randall> notadrop: Ah, the classic
Frankendebian!
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2242[17:06:27] <wuzamarine> Time for a reboot folks!
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2243[17:06:29] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
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2244[17:06:29] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
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2245[17:06:30] <notadrop> petn-randall: :)
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2246[17:06:35] <wuzamarine> petn-randall: I'm good
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2248[17:06:56] <notadrop> petn-randall: yes I've heard that
spiel before, lol
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2250[17:07:18] <petn-randall> notadrop: That's not a setup
that is supported, neither is it recommended. Your best bet is to
either stick with FF ESR from stable, or install FF 58 from
upstream.
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2253[17:07:57] <thms> GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached
to ttyUSB0 -> but lsusb doesn't show it to me, how can I
find out what usb bus / port is /dev/ttyUSB0 ?
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2254[17:08:05] <notadrop> petn-randall: I would install it from
upstream, but then I have to do updates manually, etc... I guess if
Firefox can notify me when there is an update, that's not all
bad
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2256[17:08:33] <notadrop> I just prefer running apt upgrade to
downloading and unzipping and etc
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2257[17:08:43] * petn-randall shrugs.
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2258[17:08:56] <notadrop> and this is my personal machine, so
I'm not too worried about stability.
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2261[17:09:42] <petn-randall> notadrop: When you mix stable and
sid, you're already leaving the well-trodden path, so ...
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2265[17:11:05] <donofrio> zmei, sounds like my macbookpro1,1 that
is 64 bit but only has 32 bit bootloader, I had to make a customer
timer countdown grub from usb image, then use plop with default
timeout of boot to usb, on a cdrom then booting off of the cdrom
loads the 7k plop app then it knows how to bot to usb with timer
because like you said your keyboard doesn't work...
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2266[17:11:10] <notadrop> petn-randall: yeah, I understand that
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2268[17:11:49] <brokencycle> Hi! I'm trying to create a
backport of golang-github-dnephin-cobra and get this:
"gbp:error: Version 1.5.1+git20170113.0.0e9ca70-2 not
found"
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2270[17:13:03] <brokencycle> So I ran git tag -l and found that
there is upstream/1.5.1+git20170113.0.0e9ca70, which should imho
work.
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2276[17:17:44] <notadrop> why does chromium-widevine (drm for
chromium) depend on an older version than the current version in the
repos?
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2277[17:17:54] <notadrop> chromium-widevine : Depends: chromium
(= 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1) but 64.0.3282.119-1~deb9u1 is to be
installed
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2278[17:18:52] <petn-randall> ,v chromium
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2279[17:18:53] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1;
jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; buster:
62.0.3202.89-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1;
stretch-security: 64.0.3282.119-1~deb9u1; sid: 64.0.3282.119-2+b2
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2280[17:19:21] <notadrop> how did I get chromium from sid 0_o
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2281[17:19:39] <petn-randall> notadrop: ... and that's why
you don't mix stable and sid.
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2282[17:20:18] <petn-randall> notadrop: Word of advice: Reinstall
stable and get FF from mozilla if your life really depends on
running the latest version.
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2283[17:20:45] <notadrop> petn-randall: yeah I will be doing this
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2286[17:22:39] <NetTerminalGene> does buster use wayland by
default?
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2297[17:26:46] <notadrop> petn-randall: I grabbed Firefox from
source, and put it in /opt/... so now how do I "install"
it, i.e. generate .desktop files and put it in my path?
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2300[17:30:13] <annadane> NetTerminalGene, it depends on the
desktop
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2305[17:32:25] <NetTerminalGene> annadane, i am talking about
gnome
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2307[17:33:07] <notadrop> pretty sure gnome is one of the few
that even supports Wayland...
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2310[17:34:24] <NetTerminalGene> notadrop, regarding your
question. do you use gnome?
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2312[17:34:30] <notadrop> NetTerminalGene: yes I do!
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2315[17:36:16] <NetTerminalGene> notadrop,
replaced-url
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2316[17:36:30] <NetTerminalGene> i use that .desktop file
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2319[17:36:37] <tw> qt and sdl both have support for wayland.
Including gtk+, that's the trifecta of major windowing
toolkits.
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2323[17:36:55] <NetTerminalGene> you can change "exec"
section to your set up
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2325[17:37:48] <NetTerminalGene> notadrop, and put your .desktop
file to "/usr/share/applications"
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2326[17:37:52] <notadrop> NetTerminalGene: what do I do,
regarding this, what's the proper way...
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2327[17:37:54] <notadrop> $ firefox
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2328[17:37:57] <notadrop> Error: cannot find the program in the
path
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2330[17:38:33] <NetTerminalGene> notadrop, give me full dir for
you /opt
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2331[17:38:56] <NetTerminalGene> your*
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2332[17:39:02] <notadrop> NetTerminalGene:
/opt/firefox/firefox/firefox
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2333[17:39:14] <notadrop> hold on, lol
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2335[17:39:22] <NetTerminalGene> ok. paste it to terminal
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2337[17:41:18] <notadrop> NetTerminalGene: /opt/firefox/firefox
is where the binary is
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2340[17:41:59] <NetTerminalGene> notadrop, paste it to your
terminal
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2343[17:43:18] <petn-randall> notadrop: IIRC you don't put
it in /opt/, but somewhere in your homedir and add that to your
$PATH.
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2345[17:43:48] <tw> fwiw, .desktop files can go in
~/.local/share/applications/
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2347[17:44:13] <moldy> hi
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2348[17:44:19] <notadrop> NetTerminalGene: where would I put a
symbolic link? /usr/bin?
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2349[17:44:36] <tw> notadrop: add /opt/firefox to your PATH
environment variable.
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2350[17:44:41] <tw> symlink is not necessary.
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2352[17:44:58] <notadrop> could I just add /opt/* ?
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2354[17:45:12] <tw> Path search is not recursive.
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2356[17:45:17] <notadrop> ah
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2358[17:45:57] <NetTerminalGene> notadrop, "sudo mv
/usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefox-old" after that "sudo ln
-s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox"
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2360[17:46:05] <moldy> when the output of apt says something like
"Need to get 1000MB of archives", is that MiB (1000 * 1024
* 1024 bytes), or is it 1000**3 bytes?
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2365[17:46:49] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: no, that'll
break in very interesting ways.
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2366[17:46:52] <tw> NetTerminalGene: that messes with
dpkg-managed files, not a good plan.
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2367[17:46:58] <petn-randall> ^
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2368[17:47:04] <NetTerminalGene> i use like that
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2370[17:47:10] <NetTerminalGene> what is the correct way?
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2371[17:47:22] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: If there's a
firefox update, that symlink will be overwritten.
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2372[17:47:24] <notadrop> adding to to PATH like they said, I
assume.
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2373[17:47:26] <tw> I'm sure it'll work great, up to
the point where you apt-get upgrade and get a new version of ff.
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2376[17:48:22] <NetTerminalGene> petn-randall, it didn't get
overwritten
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2377[17:48:39] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: Then you
didn't get a firefox update.
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2378[17:49:09] <NetTerminalGene> hmm
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2379[17:49:14] <NetTerminalGene> i don't remember
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2380[17:49:17] <Logg> anyone know why drives don't automount
while gparted is open?
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2381[17:49:23] <tw> What I do is add $HOME/bin/ to the beginning
of my PATH. Then if I need to force a preference of a binary
override of a system bin, I symlink it into that directory.
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2382[17:49:26] <Logg> once gparted is closed, they mount
automatically.
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2383[17:49:29] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: Run 'apt-get
--reinstall install firefox-esr' and look again.
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2385[17:49:44] <NetTerminalGene> petn-randall, no thanks
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2387[17:50:53] <petn-randall> :)
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2391[17:52:15] <notadrop> anything wrong with creating /opt/bin
and then ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /opt/bin/firefox and then adding
/opt/bin to PATH?
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2392[17:52:22] <notadrop> that seems like the best way to me
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2393[17:53:14] <petn-randall> notadrop: why not creat the symlink
in /usr/local/bin/? That's already in your path just for that.
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2394[17:53:29] <tw> notadrop: I've only ever seen /opt
implemented as /opt/vendorname/package/{normal /usr-like hierarchy}
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2395[17:53:46] <notadrop> petn-randall: will do
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2401[17:55:14] <tw> petn-randall: do you know if that's part
of init's path? Not that it matters here, in the case of a
browser.
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2403[17:55:24] <notadrop> any idea how to get firejail to work
with manually installed firefox?
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2407[17:55:31] <notadrop> if not I guess I have some reading to
do
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2409[17:56:20] <jelly> tw: just helped a coworker massage some
horrible mostrosity called zimbra into living, it actually does
/opt/zimbra/postfix-2.10.1-e.7-2/{conf,sbin,blah} ... all of their
"etc" subdirs are "conf" for some reason
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2413[17:59:28] <somiaj> notadrop: why do you think it would work
differntly with manually installed? Seems you just need to give it
to the path of the app you want to jail.
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2414[17:59:57] <tw> jelly: I can't say I'm a fan of
that, but I'm not surprised either. /opt-installed packages are
kind of a s@^*show because it's up to the vendor to implement
whatever they want.
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2415[18:00:10] <NetTerminalGene> notadrop, "firejail
--private=~/Browser --caps.drop=all /opt/firefox/firefox %u" in
"exec"
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2416[18:01:07] <NetTerminalGene> damn! i revealed my private dir.
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2417[18:01:14] <jelly> HP and Kaspersky actually follow FHS to
the letter. /opt/vendor, /var/opt/vendor, /etc/opt/vendor
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2419[18:02:01] <jelly> /opt/bin is not compliant without at least
making it /opt/vendor/bin
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2420[18:02:23] <shtrb|laptop> I'm getting hit by really
nasty "feature" of iwlwifi, if airplane mode had been
enabled I must boot into windows to enable it. I do see a message
Microcode SW error detected (debian bug 700629), any ideas how to
renable without booting to win10 ? (tried reboot,Shutdown and
start,Checked in the BIOS to see if enabled, even upgraded to
testing just to have my WiFi but still can't figure that out)
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2422[18:03:20] <shtrb|laptop> If I boot into Windows and back to
Debian WiFi works flawlessly
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2423[18:03:24] <somiaj> shtrb|laptop: you have tried rfkill?
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2424[18:03:37] <jelly> shtrb|laptop: if there's a workaround
someone usuually writes about it at the bug number
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2425[18:03:45] <shtrb|laptop> yes, it's stuck on Hard
Blocked
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2430[18:05:09] <notadrop> do #comments work in .desktop files?
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2431[18:05:17] <shtrb|laptop> forgot to add "Network
controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6235 (rev
24)"
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2432[18:06:35] <notadrop> this is such a pain in the arse
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2433[18:06:45] <notadrop> this is why I just pinned the sid repo
for firefox and its libs
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2434[18:06:53] <notadrop> copy this here, set this up there...
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2435[18:07:33] <tw> #comments work.
replaced-url
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2441[18:08:55] <notadrop> is there some simple way to just
install the latest Firefox from Mozilla on Stretch, without having
to run around making links and stuff?
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2442[18:09:17] <shtrb|laptop> backports or manual
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2444[18:09:35] <notadrop> whatever is easier, so backports I
guess
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2445[18:09:51] <shtrb|laptop> and safer
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2446[18:09:55] <notadrop> right
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2447[18:09:58] <shtrb|laptop> ,v firefox-esr
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2448[18:09:59] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie:
52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security:
52.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1;
jessie-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates:
52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster:
52.6.0esr-2+b1; sid:
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2449[18:10:00] <judd> 52.6.0esr-2+b1
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2450[18:10:07] <notadrop> ,v firefox
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2451[18:10:08] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 58.0.1-1+b1;
experimental: 59.0~b4-1
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2452[18:10:42] <annadane> notadrop, wiki.debian.org/Firefox
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2454[18:11:36] <notadrop> this is exactly what I want to avoid
annadane
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2455[18:11:50] <notadrop> make this link, make this desktop file,
download this binary, copy it here
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2457[18:12:00] <notadrop> I cba
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2458[18:12:16] <somiaj> This summer the new firefox-esr will make
it into stretch.
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2459[18:12:32] <tw> Not looking forward to that.
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2465[18:17:19] <notadrop> so I have installed chromium-widevine
but chromium insists it's not installed
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2466[18:17:24] <notadrop> any ideas?
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2467[18:17:34] <notadrop> at this point I'm ready to back to
a Mac
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2468[18:17:45] <notadrop> I don't have time for this stuff
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2476[18:20:43] <JordiGH> I'm using Mate and pretty much
every GTK app I open from the terminal floods my terminal with GTK
warnings about CSS themes being wrong.
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2477[18:20:53] <JordiGH> I don't care about those warnings.
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2479[18:21:02] <JordiGH> How do I tell GTK to kindly stfu?
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2481[18:21:36] <tw> 2>/dev/null usually works
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2482[18:22:07] <jelly> it also hides actual stderr should the app
have anything to say
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2483[18:22:07] <annadane> why 2?
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2484[18:22:14] <annadane> oh, right
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2487[18:22:49] <JordiGH> I wonder how come nobody else online
seems to be complaining about this.
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2488[18:22:55] <JordiGH> Why is this only happening to me?
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2489[18:23:00] <jelly> I don't have anything nice to say
about either gnome or kde apps that spew crap out stdout/stderr by
default
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2491[18:23:27] <tw> Most desktop users have stdout/err going to
some logfile somewhere and never see the X session console.
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2492[18:23:30] <jelly> JordiGH: everyone else starts apps via
menu and crap goes to ~/.xsession-errors
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2494[18:23:46] <JordiGH> I mean, this happens even for Emacs.
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2495[18:23:52] <JordiGH> Emacs!
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2496[18:23:55] <JordiGH> You messed with my Emacs.
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2497[18:23:57] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2498[18:24:00] <JordiGH> Prepare to die, GKT warnings.
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2499[18:24:07] <jelly> pick a different widget
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2500[18:24:20] <jelly> bomb gnome devs
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2501[18:24:22] <jelly> dunno.
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2502[18:24:22] <JordiGH> ;_;
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2503[18:24:26] <tw> maybe you need emacs-nox?
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2504[18:24:41] <annadane> you could switch to vim :-)
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2505[18:24:46] <JordiGH> No, Emacs without X is crippled Emacs.
Terminals can't represent all the keybindings that Emacs uses.
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2506[18:24:55] <JordiGH> annadane: vimscript yuck now
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2507[18:24:55] <jelly> maybe he wants to use both his pedals and
clicky things
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2521[18:28:39] <volter> Hello, I don't seem to understand
how Debian repositories work. If want to have my private repo and
supply different binary packages of foo-1.0-1, reprepro won't
let me do that. What's the proper way of solving this?
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2522[18:29:10] <volter> I could add some kind of suffix to the
package release part, but this doesn't look like the right way.
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2525[18:31:28] <volter> I meant to say, I want to have the same
thing packaged for different versions of Debian there.
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2532[18:33:32] <volter> "revision" appears to be the
proper term in Debian for what I called "release".
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2533[18:33:34] <jelly> volter: what do you mean biffereny binary
packages of foo?
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2534[18:33:39] <jelly> different, too
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2535[18:33:54] <kryl> hi, I'm wondering about slow-downs
since I'm transferring data through USB of all my desktop ? Is
there a way to fix that ? or to understand what's happening ?
please
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2538[18:34:30] <jelly> volter: different packages built from same
source? They just need to have different names.
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2540[18:34:38] <volter> jelly: I built the same .dsc in pbuilder
for Jessie and Stretch. This results in non-identical packages.
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2541[18:34:55] <jelly> volter: yes.
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2542[18:35:16] <jelly> because different compiler versions, deps,
etc.
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2543[18:35:18] <jrtc27> add something to the version number
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2544[18:35:30] <volter> jelly: Yes, and that's totally fine.
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2545[18:35:43] <volter> jelly: But I can't really add them
to the repo like this.
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2546[18:35:55] <jrtc27> they should have different version
numbers
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2547[18:36:04] <jrtc27> not just for your sanity
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2548[18:36:07] <jrtc27> but so upgrades work
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2549[18:36:13] <jelly> volter: it is. However. A repo can only
hold one package with unique (name, version)
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2550[18:37:08] <volter> What surprises me though, is that some
existing Debian package seem to have that suffix like
"+deb8u3", while others don't, and they are both
arch-dependent. How does that work there?
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2551[18:37:14] <jelly> you can have separate repos, but then they
cannot use the same pool
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2552[18:37:46] <jelly> volter: that's just part of the
version
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2553[18:37:59] <jelly> ,v firefox-esr
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2554[18:38:00] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie:
52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security:
52.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1;
jessie-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates:
52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster:
52.6.0esr-2+b1; sid:
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2555[18:38:01] <judd> 52.6.0esr-2+b1
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2557[18:38:24] <annadane> kryl, what slows down, your desktop (or
system in general)?
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2558[18:38:41] <volter> Is that because there are often no
version clashes between Debian versions and thus many of them
don't need this version-bit glued on?
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2559[18:38:58] <kryl> annadane, system in general
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2564[18:40:33] <volter> I guess this must be the reason.
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2565[18:42:02] <volter> ,v tree
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2566[18:42:04] <judd> Package: tree on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6.0-1;
wheezy-backports: 1.7.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.7.0-3; buster: 1.7.0-5;
sid: 1.7.0-5; stretch: 1.7.0-5
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2567[18:42:37] <jelly> volter: there never are version clashes.
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2568[18:42:58] <volter> Hm, buster, sid and stretch have the same
NVR here though, don't they?
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2569[18:43:13] <volter> Maybe the packages are identical?
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2570[18:43:36] <jelly> package versions built for release N must
always be strictly lower then versions built for debian release N+1
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2571[18:43:50] <jelly> volter: that's one same package
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2572[18:43:51] <volter> *EVR
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2573[18:44:31] <jelly> Packages file for stretch and buster and
sid point to the same file in pool
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2574[18:44:54] <volter> OK, I think I finally got it then.
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2575[18:44:58] <volter> Thank you both!
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2576[18:45:08] <jelly> firefox-esr is an example how backports of
newer (upstream) versions can be handled with ~
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2577[18:46:03] <jelly> both jessie and stretch have 52.6.0esr,
but jessie has 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1 and ~foo is compared as
"always a bit lower version than one without ~foo"
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2581[18:47:05] <jelly> so 52.6.0esr-1~deb7u1 <<
52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1 << 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1 << 52.6.0esr-1
(if it existed)
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2582[18:48:04] <jelly> (it probably existed at some point in sid)
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2583[18:48:05] <volter> What's the convention with
"+" verus "~"?
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2584[18:48:29] <JordiGH> volter: There's a manpage that
explains this stuff, let me see if I can find it.
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2585[18:48:46] <jelly> ~ is special and reduces the version.
Anything else just adds to it
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2586[18:48:47] <JordiGH> deb-version(5)
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2587[18:49:10] <volter> Thank you all. You are very supportive!
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2648[19:18:49] <akk> Hi -- some time in the last few months,
testing lost a lot of the iso8859 characters in the -misc-fixed- X
font, and I'm trying to figure out why.
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2649[19:19:14] <akk> Anyone know anything about fonts? I'm
trying to figure out whether I should report this as a bug.
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2652[19:20:23] <akk> The characters still show up fine on
stretch, but not on testing.
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2653[19:20:47] <greycat> Certainly *sounds* like a bug. I know
nothing special about fonts though.
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2654[19:21:13] <akk> The contents of /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/
seem to be the same between stretch and testing, so it may be a
config option that changed somewhere.
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2655[19:21:34] <greycat> And you're operating at 100dpi?
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2658[19:22:03] <teatime> akk: are you actually using iso8859 ?
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2659[19:22:07] <akk> yes, more or less (xdpyinfo says 96x96)
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2660[19:23:25] <greycat> I'm guessing very few people test
Debian with a local charset of iso8859-* currently.
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2661[19:23:28] <akk> Actually I'm not sure how to tell which
dir it's using, I guess I should compare the 75dpi dirs too.
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2665[19:24:03] <teatime> akk: how are you determining what glyphs
there are / that some are missing ?
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2667[19:24:51] <akk> Oh, my stretch laptop only has 100dpi fonts,
it doesn't even have the 75dpi ones.
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2670[19:25:16] <akk> teatime: I notice it in email (mutt), but
it's easy to test from the shell: echo 'Hello \xE2\x80\x94
world'
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2671[19:25:31] <akk> (that's an emdash, I think -- anyway
some kind of dash)
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2672[19:25:45] <akk> On testing, it shows up as an empty box, on
stretch it's a dash.
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2673[19:25:51] <greycat> in bash that needs to be printf
'Hello \xE2\x80\x94 world\n'
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2674[19:26:07] <akk> ah, ok. I use zsh and both work there.
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2676[19:26:31] <greycat> Also note that that's *not* an ISO
8859-1 character.
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2678[19:26:44] <teatime> akk: please note that mutt doesn't
give a crap about fonts
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2679[19:26:49] <teatime> akk: what terminal are you using
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2680[19:26:57] <akk> Oh! That's useful to know -- what
character set is it in?
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2681[19:26:59] <akk> teatime: xterm
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2683[19:27:18] <greycat> It shows up as a long dash in UTF-8 so
you are probably in UTF-8. Type "locale" to see.
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2684[19:27:27] <akk> Yes, my locale is utf8
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2685[19:27:42] <akk> That makes sense, I don't know why I
thought it was 8859
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2686[19:27:59] <greycat> So, what is the exact problem
you're seeing? Those three bytes written to xterm in buster
don't give a long dash? They give something else?
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2687[19:28:06] <teatime> probably this stuff was never even in
the font you think; xterm hooks up w/ fontconfig these days or
whatever
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2689[19:28:14] <akk> Right, they give an empty box (open
rectangle)
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2690[19:28:21] <akk> as do all the dash and curly-quote
characters.
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2691[19:28:23] <teatime> I think... anyway...
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2692[19:28:34] <teatime> not even sure. I guess not if you
specify a bitmap font specifically
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2693[19:28:51] <akk> So my incoming email is full of these
rectangles, where a few months ago they had the correct punctuation.
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2695[19:29:14] <akk> If I view the same email in the same font on
stretch, I see the correct punctuation.
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2698[19:29:47] <greycat> And you can reproduce in xterm+zsh, so
mutt is not relevant?
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2699[19:29:49] <qeyoa> I found that in the last couple of weeks i
have found that `apt-get update/upgrade` has no new updates on my
debian buster system, while there were constantly some updates
coming in before that. Is this normal?
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2700[19:30:20] <teatime> well, update doesn't upgrade
packages for one
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2703[19:30:28] <akk> Correct, I can reproduce in xterm+zsh (or
bash).
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2704[19:30:50] <teatime> akk: you have your xterm configured for
a specific font? which one?
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2705[19:31:04] <akk> XTerm*font:
-misc-fixed-bold-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15
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2706[19:31:05] <greycat> So then the problem is either in xterm,
or in a font package, or in something that *deals* with fonts
(fontconfig, libx*, I don't know what).
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2708[19:31:18] <teatime> and is it possible you twiddled the
xterm option to use or not use truetype fonts
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2711[19:31:28] <akk> (or
-misc-fixed-bold-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-* -- it doesn't
change anything)
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2712[19:31:34] <z0> hi ppl. can someone point me to a disk image
of the current stable debian server netinst?
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2713[19:31:41] <greycat> !netinst
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2714[19:31:42] <dpkg> somebody said netinst was a small CD image
with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation
process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more
packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and
more packages later. See
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2716[19:32:08] <akk> I'm pretty sure all the xterm options
are the same between the two machines.
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2718[19:32:23] <akk> I can use truetype fonts on X, if I replace
that XTerm*font line
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2720[19:32:45] <z0> gracias very mucho
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2721[19:32:48] <akk> and as a temporary measure I've been
doing that, but all the truetype fonts are super anti-aliased and
fuzzy and they kinda give me a headache.
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2722[19:33:06] <teatime> you can turn off AA for it
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2723[19:33:33] <akk> I thought about trying to do that; I've
been looking at /etc/fonts but there are so many different config
files there
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2725[19:33:42] <akk> it looks like a huge job adjusting anything.
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2726[19:33:45] <teatime> try: XTerm.vt100.faceName:
mono:size=10:antialias=false
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2727[19:33:58] <teatime> yeah, fontconfig is a ridiculous rabbit
hole
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2728[19:34:04] <akk> oh, cool! I'll try that, sec ...
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2729[19:34:18] <teatime> but luckily it's generally already
configured for what you want, if you can figure out how to make use
of it
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2730[19:34:56] <akk> teatime: Thank you! That :antialias=false
did the trick, and that will work nicely as a workaround.
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2731[19:35:17] <teatime> it's nice too 'cause it's
not just one font anymore, fontconfig sets up a fontstack similar to
how urxvt would
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2732[19:35:20] <teatime> except system-wide
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2733[19:35:21] <akk> I still wonder if I should report this
character problem as a bug (though you're right, it could be a
change in xterm and not the font system).
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2734[19:35:57] <greycat> just for grins, can you install the
stretch version of xterm?
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2736[19:36:39] <akk> Good idea.
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2744[19:38:03] <akk> If I copy /usr/bin/xterm from stretch, it
still shows boxes instead of correct punctuation.
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2745[19:38:19] <majest1c> Im trying to pair my laptop with my
bluetooth speaker (Harman kardon go+play), but when I click on the
device in the bluetooth settings for gnome it just says "Not
Set Up", I have made sure bluetooth is active on the pc and
that it is activated on the speaker, works great on windows/android.
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2755[19:44:01] <arora> majest1c: Did you try clicking the device
name in the gnome bluetooth settings window?
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2758[19:44:50] <majest1c> arora: yup, that does nothing, it just
says "Not Set Up" when I press it
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2761[19:45:16] <arora> Weird, it sets up that way for me
everytime.
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2764[19:45:43] <akk> Interesting, Liberation Mono, DejaVu Sans
Mono, and Book are all identical. There don't seem to be very
many monospaced ttf fonts available.
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2765[19:45:45] <majest1c> arora: when you connect to your e.g.
bluetooth speaker?
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2766[19:46:06] <arora> akk: Source Code Pro
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2767[19:46:12] <arora> majest1c: Yeah
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2768[19:46:17] <majest1c> thats very weird
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2769[19:46:48] <arora> majest1c: Do you have blueman installed?
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2772[19:47:15] <majest1c> arora: no
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2773[19:47:31] <teatime> akk: of those, DejaVu is the best, and
Book is probably not an actual font the same way mono and monospace
aren't
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2777[19:48:17] <akk> teatime: One of DejaVu/Liberation seems to
be an alias for the other, too. I looked at them side by side,
they're identical AFAICT.
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2778[19:48:23] <teatime> akk: Source Code Pro is indeed
excellent, you migth also like FiraCode.. there's a a good few
ones
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2780[19:48:46] <teatime> akk: Perhaps they are on your system,
but you can install them separately and iirc they're not
identically-similar
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2782[19:49:03] <dondelelcaro> yeah; they should be slightly
different.
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2783[19:49:07] <arora> majest1c: Try installing it, it will add
an applet in the top bar from there you can configure it the same
way
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2784[19:49:14] <teatime> akk: if you're missing one,
however, font-config is probably providing the other as a fallback
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2787[19:49:28] <akk> I have fonts-liberation installed, but I
don't have fonts-liberation2 installed.
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2789[19:50:04] <akk> and I have fonts-dejavu installed
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2791[19:51:10] <dondelelcaro> there's also Free Mono, Noto,
and unifont
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2792[19:52:22] <majest1c> arora: I installed blueman and rebooted
the computer but I still cant find the blueman applet when I search
for it
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2793[19:52:28] <akk> eww, installed fonts-liberation2 and now my
Liberation mono:bold:size=9:antialias=false is coming out awful,
non-bold and missing pixels and
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2794[19:52:41] <akk> s/ and/
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2795[19:52:48] * akk uninstalls fonts-liberation2
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2796[19:54:42] <majest1c> ah now I see it, I launched it through
the software applet
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2798[19:56:07] <majest1c> "Failed to add device"
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2799[19:57:53] <akk> Any guess at what package I should report a
bug on for that misc-fixed character set problem?
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2800[19:58:56] <akk> ooh, maybe xfonts-encodings
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2801[19:59:16] <arora> majest1c: Do other bluetooth devices
connect?
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2803[20:00:28] <ais14> /msg ais14 REGISTER A0a0b2@8)
thisisazharul@gmail.com
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2804[20:01:16] <hypn0> is that a password :-)
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2805[20:02:16] <ais14> yes
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2807[20:02:24] <shtrb|laptop> change it
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2808[20:02:26] <greycat> Time to choose another. :) Also, you are
not nickserv.
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2809[20:02:35] <ais14> okay :)
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2810[20:02:35] <greycat> Not much point sending a register
command to yourself.
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2815[20:05:21] <majest1c> arora: yeah, now I removed the device
in debian but now I cant even find it again, I rebooted the system
etc and checked with blueman and gnomes own bluetooth applet but it
cant detect the speaker, I also restarted the speaker
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2818[20:07:00] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: There's often a way
to put the device in pairing mode, that may be something you need to
do.
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2821[20:07:33] <majest1c> ive done it, something weird is going
on since I removed the speaker from the bluetooth menu though
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2827[20:10:32] <majest1c> Now its detected and I can choose to
connect it but once its trying to connect it just bounces back to
"off", I managed to do this by installing some
"pulseaudio" package
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2835[20:12:13] <tw> pulseaudio-module-bluetooth?
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2837[20:12:19] <majest1c> tw yeah
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2842[20:14:22] <tw> majest1c: have you been following
replaced-url
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2851[20:19:42] <Ave3l> mk3pq28
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2853[20:20:51] <RoyK> Ave3l: time to change password?
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2854[20:21:06] <greycat> (again)
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2855[20:21:06] <SSgtSpoon> LOL
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2856[20:21:07] <majest1c> tw: yeah but when I am pairing the
device it says "Faield to add device"
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2859[20:21:26] <aci> Best password ever: ASLPLZM25
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2864[20:23:28] <majest1c> the fact that it takes this long to
configure a bluetooth device just proves that bluetooth technology
is a fucking joke
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2869[20:25:29] <tw> majest1c: do you get any dmesg entries from
your efforts?
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2871[20:25:50] <jelly> majest1c: on linux, possibly just on
debian, yeah
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2873[20:26:31] <tw> When it works, it just works. But
there's no "autodiscover the packages you need to run XYZ
piece of bt hardware."
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2874[20:26:44] <jelly> when it fails it's hell
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2875[20:26:50] <tw> Which is often.
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2876[20:27:02] <tw> Also, a2dp on linux *only* supports SBC.
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2877[20:27:14] <tw> no aptX, aac, or mp3.
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2878[20:27:26] <majest1c> one should just be able to connect to
it, shouldnt take more than 30 seconds, it doenst work flawless in
windows either
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2879[20:27:33] <jelly> aptX might get reverse engineered one day
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2882[20:28:19] <jelly> dunno about windows, but android and
ubuntu seem to mostly just work
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2885[20:28:59] <tw> Going off topic here, but Windows
doesn't ship a complete bt stack, so it really depends on the
mfr's device drivers.
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2886[20:29:57] <annadane> the joy of using debian when everything
is "works on ubuntu"
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2887[20:31:35] <tw> It's more an issue of "smaller
default desktop install." AFAIK, the default debian desktop
doesn't ship with either avahi or bluez.
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2888[20:32:20] <somiaj> I think avahi is fairly default, I always
see it sneaking on my machines without any desktop, bluez on the
other hadn I think is usually optional
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2891[20:32:53] <greycat> ii avahi-daemon 0.6.32-2 amd64 Avahi
mDNS/DNS-SD daemon
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2893[20:32:58] <greycat> Huh. Did not know....
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2896[20:33:19] <greycat> wooledg:~$ aptitude why avahi-daemon
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2897[20:33:19] <greycat> i cups Recommends avahi-daemon
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2898[20:33:43] <aci> blueman
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2899[20:33:45] <aci> blues
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2904[20:35:09] <somiaj> greycat: libnss-mdns depends on it as
well, which is why I have it
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2908[20:35:37] <jhutchins_wk> I thought most linux installers did
some sort of hardware detection and installed support based on that.
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2910[20:35:55] <greycat> Not for bluetooth, of course.
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2911[20:35:56] <somiaj> hmm, okay aptitude is confused,
avahi-daemon is on my system because libnss-mdns depends on it, and
libnss-mdns is on my system because avahi-daemon recommends it.
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2912[20:36:07] <greycat> heh
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2913[20:36:35] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: Is it possible that system
has seen more than one release of Debian?
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2914[20:36:47] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: yea, this was from a jessie
upgrade.
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2916[20:37:07] <somiaj> but it turns out those two packages were
holding each other in.
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2917[20:37:28] <tw> okay, I'm wrong; task-desktop rec
avahi-daemon.
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2919[20:37:59] <somiaj> avahi-daemon seems to sneak in fairly
easily even on minmial installs, even if you don't use a
desktop.
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2921[20:38:27] <tw> iirc, print server is default selected in
tasksel when installing.
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2922[20:38:50] <greycat> Well, I installed cups by choice on this
one, because every once in a blue moon I have to print something.
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2924[20:39:24] <greycat> Usually an income tax form.
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2926[20:39:30] <tw> majest1c: I'd try the cli config method,
and probably give up if it failed.
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2927[20:39:33] <tw> majest1c:
replaced-url
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2928[20:39:39] <somiaj> my job requires I print a lot.
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2970[21:14:01] <jhutchins_wk> Since I upgraded to stretch I
can't print from my downstairs computer for some reason. I can
add the printer, but cups says it can't connect.
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2976[21:15:54] <alkisg> jhutchins_wk: cupsctl | grep share
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2981[21:17:53] <jhutchins_wk> alkisg: Was working before the
upgrade.
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2987[21:19:22] <jhutchins> alkisg:_share_printers=1
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2989[21:19:58] <alkisg> OK, that part is fine then... dunno
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2991[21:20:11] <jhutchins_wk> I figure I just keep checking after
significant upgrades.
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2993[21:20:57] <jhutchins_wk> One thing I haven't tried is
disabling ipv6.
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3011[21:29:27] <L0g4nAd4ms> i want to unlock the LUKS partition
of a VPS via SSH. so i found out you need dropbear or tinyssh for
this and somehow you have to edit the initramfs conf
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3016[21:30:39] <L0g4nAd4ms> but all i found up to this point was
outdated info from ~2013 which did not work
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3017[21:31:11] <vlt> L0g4nAd4ms: "did not work"?
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3021[21:33:02] <L0g4nAd4ms> vlt well i got warnings from dropbear
after running update-initramfs that the approach i found is 1.
depracted and will be removed in the future and 2. "Invalid
authorized_keys file. SSH login will not work"
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3023[21:35:42] <L0g4nAd4ms> maybe it reported invalid
authorized_keys file because all my ssh keys are ed25519 ?
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3024[21:36:28] <teatime> show us your authorized_keys file. it
should only contain public eys.
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3027[21:36:41] <teatime> either you messed up the format, or put
it in the wrong place, I'd guess.
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3028[21:36:59] <L0g4nAd4ms> and what about the deprecated
warnings :P ?
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3029[21:37:12] <tw> afaik, dropbear doesn't support ed25519.
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3032[21:37:53] <L0g4nAd4ms> yes, the arch wiki says only tinyssh
supports also ED25519
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3043[21:41:03] <L0g4nAd4ms> but tinyssh is only available in
debian experimental. So i followed this guide with a RSA key:
replaced-url
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3044[21:41:23] <L0g4nAd4ms> BTW why does this guy create and
config the ssh key for root user ?
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3045[21:41:47] <tw> because there's no passwd available in
preboot, so there's only one user.
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3048[21:42:39] <L0g4nAd4ms> ah right because the initramfs only
provides a minimal environement for unlocking
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3049[21:42:44] <L0g4nAd4ms> i guess
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3053[21:43:55] <tw> I mean you can do whatever you want in
initramfs land, but logins aren't common before the rootfs and
real init begins.
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3054[21:44:10] <L0g4nAd4ms> well i will check again over the
steps and see if i made somewhere a mistake.
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3060[21:45:34] <L0g4nAd4ms> the question is do have i to put the
SSH public key in /etc/initramfs-tools/root/.ssh/authorized_keys or
in /etc/dropbear/root_key ?
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3062[21:47:48] <L0g4nAd4ms> Because there is no "root"
dir in "/etc/initramfs-tools" by default and the guide
says i should delete there first the standard private and public
keys
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3065[21:48:53] <rc202402> HI
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3066[21:49:13] <rc202402> Testing Bunsen Labs... 1... 2... 3...
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3072[21:50:14] <tw> L0g4nAd4ms: have you read
/usr/share/doc/dropbear-initramfs/README.initramfs ?
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3076[21:53:23] <L0g4nAd4ms> tw, no i did not know the file
existed. i only read the man page but will do now
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3085[21:56:54] <L0g4nAd4ms> OK it says in there "Public keys
used or authentication are taken from
/etc/dropbear-initramfs/authorized_keys".
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3086[21:57:06] <L0g4nAd4ms> so i guess i have to put the public
key into this file
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3114[22:09:39] <L0g4nAd4ms> tw, ok now after updating the
initramfs dropbear does not complain anymore about invalid
authorized_keys file, only about that the initramfs thing is
deprecated.
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3116[22:09:47] <L0g4nAd4ms> lets see if this works now.
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3130[22:18:19] <L0g4nAd4ms> OK, if i want to connect from my
client to my server with root@IP using -i private keyfile i get
absolutely no response, just a blinking cursor and nothing happens
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3131[22:18:44] <RoyK> L0g4nAd4ms: does the server listen to port
22?
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3133[22:19:35] <L0g4nAd4ms> well i think dropbear listens
automatically to Port 22 right ?
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3141[22:23:45] <L0g4nAd4ms> @RoyK, maybe i have to config
dropbear to listen to another port, right ?
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3144[22:24:27] <RoyK> L0g4nAd4ms: possibly - never looked at
tinyssh
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3177[22:40:44] <z0> arguments against installing sudo? anyone?
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3180[22:41:08] <greycat> why are you looking for arguments
against using something?
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3185[22:42:36] <z0> greycat: weighing my pros and cons
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3187[22:42:59] <greycat> what are you going to do if you choose
not to install sudo?
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3189[22:43:02] <teatime> z0: there certainly are some, but really
it makes no sense in the abstract, you have to consider your threats
and risks and stuff in your actual environment, and weight them
against any time-savings etc. to be had in your actual workflow.
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3190[22:43:44] <z0> greycat: change a lot of scripts that rely on
sudo being installed
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3192[22:44:15] <teatime> not as many as you suggest, surely
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3194[22:44:16] <greycat> Then why on earth are you even
*considering* not installing it, if you have existing software that
requires it?
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3195[22:44:51] <greycat> I feel like you have come into this with
some pre-assumptions that I'm not privy to.
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3196[22:45:04] <nkuttler> just run everything as root. problem
solved
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3198[22:45:18] <z0> ok guys thanks
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3199[22:45:22] <greycat> Like "My uncle Jed's
mother's sister's hairdresser told me sudo is made by
filthy commies" or something.
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3201[22:45:43] <nkuttler> z0: seriously though, read man 5
sudoers and limit sudo rights to exactly what is needed
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3206[22:46:12] <annadane> (do not run everything as root)
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3207[22:46:25] <nkuttler> (and that does *not* mean to allow sudo
on user editable scripts)
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3208[22:46:30] <annadane> careful with sarcasm on the internet,
even sarcasm in real life can get you killed
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3211[22:47:08] <fr3_kk> :annadane 😂
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3212[22:47:18] <nkuttler> i've seen seasoned admins keep
root terminals open 24/7. it's a valid choice.. if you really
want to
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3213[22:47:21] <z0> greycat: no assumptions, just asked a
question.
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3214[22:47:27] <z0> annadane: (lol dont worry)
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3217[22:47:56] <nkuttler> personally, i'm just too stupid to
always be root
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3219[22:48:01] <annadane> i'm probably more paranoid than i
need to be, i pretty much exit out of the root shell instantly with
everything i don't absolutely need
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3220[22:48:06] <petn-randall> tw: init's path? I don't
think it has any set at all. $PATH is a shell thing.
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3221[22:48:40] <greycat> petn-randall: login(1) sets it.
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3224[22:49:13] <greycat> probably whatever crazy twisted thing
systemd uses does the same
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3235[22:54:18] <annadane> i guess it's not
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3241[22:56:50] <z0> it's definetely not
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3329[23:29:46] <freemint> Hello i got an laptop with a nvidia
gt650m. I tried to get nvidia-driver (that is what nvidia-detect
recommended) running but each time i do that after a reboot all GUI
is gone
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3336[23:31:40] <freemint> my laptop has an intel graphics too ..
but it does not have an Optimus sticker i am unsure whether i should
go with bumblbee or not
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3337[23:32:14] <Tenkawa> freemint: whats lspci show?
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3339[23:32:24] <freemint> (currenty reinstalling
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3340[23:33:16] <Tenkawa> reinstalling driver?
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3341[23:33:24] <freemint> no debian
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3342[23:33:27] <Tenkawa> why
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3343[23:33:50] <Tenkawa> or unrelated?
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3344[23:33:51] <freemint> because the gui broke an reinstalling
is faster than trying to fix it on my own
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3345[23:34:10] <freemint> also i forgot to give debian access to
some partitions
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3346[23:34:43] <Tenkawa> ok..
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3348[23:35:09] <freemint> well to be more specific lightdm broke
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3349[23:35:21] <freemint> (using the xfce spin)
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3354[23:39:10] <dumdidum> what does a ps/top status of I mean?
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3357[23:40:44] <Tenkawa> I "think" interrupt
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3359[23:41:10] <Tenkawa> memory is blanking on me atm so dont
quote me
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3360[23:42:15] <Tenkawa> waiting on io
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3361[23:42:44] <freemint_> Tenkawa, i sent you the output of
lspci in a query
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3362[23:42:56] <dumdidum> but isn't that D?
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3363[23:43:12] <Tenkawa> dumdidum: thats defunct
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3365[23:43:47] <Tenkawa> if i remember correctly
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3366[23:43:54] <Tenkawa> freemint_: ok.... i see
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3367[23:44:00] <Tenkawa> interesting
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3371[23:46:04] <Tenkawa> freemint_: when you run with just the
intel does it run ok?
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3372[23:46:21] <phinxy> What is the 'file' command from
1973 called on Debian stretch?
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3373[23:46:35] <annadane> um
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3375[23:46:55] <annadane> no idea what your question is
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3376[23:46:58] <gunix> ,v kubectl
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3377[23:46:59] <judd> No package named 'kubectl' was
found in amd64.
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3380[23:47:05] <annadane> 'file' is a valid command...
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3381[23:47:15] <freemint_> If i have no nvidia driver installed
it runs ok ... i am not sure if thats the same as "runs on
intel"
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3382[23:47:28] <phinxy> annadane• so it seems. But not on
this community build. Sorry.
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3385[23:47:45] <freemint_> The reason i want to get nvida running
is that i can do stuff with torch
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3388[23:47:52] <annadane> "community build" sounds like
it's debian-based
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3390[23:47:56] <vlt> phinxy: It’s still called
“file”.
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3391[23:48:13] <annadane> !tell phinxy about based on debian
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3392[23:48:16] <Tenkawa> freemint_: yeah I know...i just want to
baseline
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3393[23:48:34] <freemint_> i am chatting now from the pc in
question using hexchat
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3394[23:48:39] <Tenkawa> ok
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3396[23:49:06] <Tenkawa> you have the nvidia package downloaded
right?
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3397[23:49:23] <Tenkawa> or you going to use debians?
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3399[23:49:37] <Tenkawa> have you read the wiki page?
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3403[23:50:32] <Tenkawa> afk.. bbiaf somebody just stoppd in
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3404[23:50:32] <freemint_> i read the wiki and folowed the
instruction multiple times ... it did'nt worked i am on 9.3 and
i used debians packet
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3405[23:51:55] <Tenkawa> back
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3406[23:51:55] <freemint_> last time i did
replaced-url
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3409[23:53:16] <dumdidum> Tenkawa: defunct would be Z not I
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3411[23:53:51] <dumdidum> man ps doesn't list I at all
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3412[23:54:14] <Tenkawa> yeah you are right
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3413[23:54:24] <Tenkawa> I'm getting sleepy
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3414[23:55:04] <freemint_> Do you have ideas hos to procede ...
or heard what works
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3415[23:55:09] <Tenkawa> freemint_: did nvidia-detect see the
card ok?
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3417[23:55:31] <freemint_> yes and recommend nvidia-drivers
without extras
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