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• 1[00:00:57] <mxh-> chicognu: sounds like systemd is good solution, make it a service and put After=network-manager or After=ifupdown-wait-online.service
• 2[00:01:04] <mxh-> and it will run as soon as those are done
• 3[00:01:21] <mxh-> that's what i'd do, maybe someone has a simpler solution.
• 4[00:01:25] <chicognu> mxh-, this replaced-url
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• 6[00:03:07] <mxh-> chicognu: looks like a perfect guide! you might not need restart and user depending on what you are doing
• 7[00:03:18] <stree> without depending on how to extract the
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• 9[00:03:50] <chicognu> mxh-, thanks
• 10[00:05:05] <macrocat> Well the good news is I found a list of the packages that got removed. I'll try reinstalling them and see if it helps.
• 11[00:05:39] <mxh-> chicognu: you might want to use network-online.target, network.target doesn't care if you have gotten an IP yet afaik.
• 12[00:05:49] <mxh-> i'm also fairly new to systemd. :)
• 13[00:05:50] <chicognu> mxh-, into what rc(X).d i put the file ?
• 14[00:06:11] <mxh-> /etc/systemd/system/whatever.service
• 15[00:06:16] <mxh-> is the file you want to create
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• 44[00:19:49] <symtex> hey guys. what is the proper way to change the PS1 variable in debian?
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• 52[00:21:51] <abrotman> symtex: for which user(s)?
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• 54[00:22:04] <symtex> all users
• 55[00:22:28] <mxh-> /etc/bash.bashrc methinks
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• 57[00:23:17] <mxh-> google confirms
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• 61[00:25:15] <symtex> not /etc/profile.d?
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• 66[00:28:37] <madsara_> Can you specify the members in a raid10 group? IE: specify which drives are part of which set?
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• 70[00:31:15] <roycroft> hi folks
• 71[00:32:00] <roycroft> i have built a stretch vm to use as a dnssec key server/signer
• 72[00:32:17] <roycroft> i've used the dnssec code that ships with bind in the past, but debian seems to prefer opendnssec
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• 74[00:32:36] <chicognu> mxh-, what command can i use to replace $ sudo systemctl daemon-reload (i don't have a systemctl)
• 75[00:32:37] <roycroft> there is not much good documenation on it that i can find, but i'm slowly sorting things out
• 76[00:32:54] <roycroft> however, i'm stuck trying to initialize the database and haven't found anything that helps
• 77[00:33:09] <roycroft> $ /usr/sbin/ods-enforcer-db-setup
• 78[00:33:10] <roycroft> *WARNING* This will erase all data in the database; are you sure? [y/N] y
• 79[00:33:10] <roycroft> Error: unable to connect to database!
• 80[00:33:17] <roycroft> that's my error
• 81[00:33:19] <roycroft> not very informative
• 82[00:33:24] <abrotman> roycroft: why not just use bind then?
• 83[00:33:27] <roycroft> and i can't find anything in the system logs
• 84[00:33:33] <chicognu> root@franciscoferreira:/usr/local/bin# sysctl daemon-reload
• 85[00:33:34] <chicognu> sysctl: cannot stat /proc/sys/daemon-reload: No such file or directory
• 86[00:33:37] <mxh-> chicognu: you need to type sudo first
• 87[00:33:43] <abrotman> he's already root?
• 88[00:33:44] <roycroft> abrotman: i prefer to use what the os maintainers prefer, if i can get it to work
• 89[00:33:50] <roycroft> less trouble down the road that way, generally
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• 93[00:34:17] <abrotman> roycroft: Eh, I'm using Bind on Debian for DNSSEC.
• 94[00:34:18] <roycroft> if someone here uses opendnssec on debian i'd appreciate any pointers
• 95[00:34:22] <mxh-> chicognu: wait what debian are you on? systemctl comes with systemd which comes with debian since... long time now
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• 97[00:34:46] <chicognu> mxh-, wheezy
• 98[00:34:49] <abrotman> roycroft: I mean, I can install it and play with it if you'd like ?
• 99[00:34:54] <petn-randall> chicognu: sysctl is different from systemctl.
• 100[00:34:57] <roycroft> no, don't bother
• 101[00:35:10] <mxh-> oh yeah don't type sysctl. systemctl is the command :)
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• 103[00:35:11] <roycroft> the bind dnssec code works fine
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• 106[00:35:25] <roycroft> i can just use that, if i can't sort this out soon
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• 109[00:35:35] <abrotman> roycroft: did you check the docs in /usr/share/doc/ for that package?
• 110[00:35:37] <roycroft> my dns servers are still runnign openbsd
• 111[00:35:52] <chicognu> petn-randall, I imagine that ... but the name looks close enough, so i try lol...
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• 113[00:36:09] <roycroft> no, i didn't
• 114[00:36:26] <roycroft> i keep forgetting there are docs there :)
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• 119[00:36:42] <roycroft> i was using a configuration guide at opendnssec.org
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• 125[00:38:00] <roycroft> the bind-distributed stuff works fine, so perhaps i'll just keep using that
• 126[00:38:05] <roycroft> i see it's installed on the machine
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• 128[00:38:09] <roycroft> wait
• 129[00:38:14] <roycroft> it broke last time i tried it
• 130[00:38:16] <roycroft> but i forget why
• 131[00:38:30] <roycroft> i can clone the vm really quick and mess with it
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• 134[00:38:59] <Wh173HawK> yo
• 135[00:39:05] <Wh173HawK> Total nub here
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• 137[00:39:28] <Wh173HawK> is it just me or IRC is dead? where do all the gurus gather now specially hackers?
• 138[00:39:45] <roycroft> honestly, the bind dnssec utilities are really easy to use, and it works fine
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• 140[00:39:47] <Wh173HawK> it seems I ma have been late for the party :( like 10 years late?
• 141[00:40:08] <roycroft> opendnssec is like an order of magnitude more complex to configure
• 142[00:40:13] <mxh-> chicognu: do you seriously not have systemctl on your system? or was it a typo?
• 143[00:40:18] <Geekologist> Wh173HawK, try #darknet[m]
• 144[00:40:24] <Wh173HawK> thanks
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• 148[00:40:55] <roycroft> anyone who calls oneself a guru or a hacker isn't
• 149[00:40:59] <mxh-> Wh173HawK: "hacker communities" are a great way to get scammed quickly :)
• 150[00:41:04] <Wh173HawK> Agreed
• 151[00:41:09] <Wh173HawK> henace why IM not calling myself one
• 152[00:41:20] <Wh173HawK> also agreed MXH
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• 154[00:41:42] <Wh173HawK> I guess Im trying to really get into infoSec and join a online community
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• 156[00:41:49] <Wh173HawK> I am giong to some seminars and such
• 157[00:41:54] <Wh173HawK> but just wanted to plugged in online
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• 159[00:42:08] <ikus060> I've recently install DEbian stretch and the "Super" key doesn't open the "Activities". Any way to restore this feature in Gnome Shell ?
• 160[00:42:12] <chicognu> mxh-, I really don't have. wheezy minimal install. don't even find using apt-cache search systemctl ...
• 161[00:42:21] <Wh173HawK> it seems IRC was pretty big back in the day
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• 164[00:43:14] <Geekologist> Wh173HawK, still is.
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• 167[00:43:43] <Wh173HawK> so what is it used for mainly so I know the proper educate
• 168[00:43:56] <Geekologist> Not sure what you mean.
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• 173[00:44:37] <mxh-> chicognu: i have netinstal too... i literally installed this morning. replaced-url
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• 178[00:45:57] <mxh-> chicognu: someone who knows debian better will have to help you :/
• 179[00:46:31] <tharkun> Aloha, The current keyboard has the prev_page key broken how can I redirect the functionality to another key like shift down_page?
• 180[00:46:40] <chicognu> mxh-, but it is not wheezy right ?
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• 184[00:49:05] <roycroft> ok, the bind tools work fine
• 185[00:49:12] <roycroft> i don't even have to do key conversions or anythign
• 186[00:49:21] * roycroft gives up on opendnssec until he's bored
• 187[00:49:22] <mxh-> chicognu: ah, this is for stable, i skimmed over the wheezy part. here you go replaced-url
• 188[00:49:48] <abrotman> roycroft: hit the Staples button ... "That was easy!"
• 189[00:50:02] <roycroft> i don't know why it was broken before
• 190[00:50:09] <roycroft> but it's been a couple years since i tried it
• 191[00:50:18] <roycroft> oh well
• 192[00:50:19] <mxh-> chicognu: honestly maybe whatever startup scripts wheezy uses is simpler. wouldn'ty know, sry
• 193[00:50:34] <roycroft> now to build the first production dns server with debian
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• 196[00:51:27] <mxh-> roycroft: hey sweet, going commercial or just too cool for 8.8.8.8? ;)
• 197[00:51:37] <roycroft> i run an isp
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• 199[00:51:46] <mxh-> oh wow
• 200[00:51:56] <roycroft> so i kind of need my own dns servers
• 201[00:52:10] <mxh-> lol yeah that's a pretty good reason
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• 242[01:09:04] <ksft> when I run things with Wine, sound doesn't work right, and this is printed repeatedly: "ALSA lib pcm.c:7843:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occurred"
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• 245[01:09:36] <bazhang> ksft, #winehq is the channel for that
• 246[01:09:46] <ksft> oh
• 247[01:09:46] <bazhang> check the appdb ksft
• 248[01:10:00] <ksft> no, I think it's a more general problem
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• 251[01:10:42] <bazhang> ksft, wine errors are a domain of #winehq
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• 253[01:10:55] <ksft> okay, asking there
• 254[01:11:04] <bazhang> ksft, you did check the appdb, right?
• 255[01:11:32] <macrocat> okay, so connecting to servers is fine but i still have that odd ping error
• 256[01:11:43] <bazhang> replaced-url
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• 260[01:12:50] <ryouma> have there been further reports of ddccontrol not working on stretch?
• 261[01:12:59] <ryouma> (informal or formal; just checked bts)
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• 264[01:13:53] <macrocat> i guess this is just as fixed as it's gonna get for now...
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• 279[01:23:10] <jmcnaught> ryouma: i haven't seen any. the only one i did see you were around for, and it is possible that that person's computer or monitor wasn't a supported configuration. Maybe you could add a hilight in your IRC client for ddccontrol so you spot mentions of it?
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• 283[01:25:36] <ryouma> thanks
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• 285[01:27:05] <HeXiLeD> quick question in regards moving an install to a new board and cpu. Current cpu is atom (x86_64) (4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1 (2017-06-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux) and the plan is to move the install to a intel p4 (has xeon flags) and an old asus PQ5 (all 64bit). Although I have done this type of operation easily with gentoo, I never did it with a binary distro. So the question is hwo
• 286[01:27:07] <HeXiLeD> easy will this be using the hardware i just described and will i need to recompile a kernel that was not manually compiled ? (in theory, since I will be using the same arch, it all show out out of the box). Any feedback ?
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• 293[01:29:39] <abrotman> HeXiLeD: likely be fine, as long as you don't need firmware
• 294[01:30:38] <donatas> Is laptop-mode-tools still relevant for Debian Stretch running on laptop with SSD ?
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• 300[01:34:09] <t5u> I am trying to install the newest debian on my laptop, but im not too sure which arch should I pick, is it amd64 for Intel® Pentium® Processor T4200 which is 64 bit
• 301[01:35:12] <mxh-> t5u: yes.
• 302[01:35:25] <t5u> mxh-: thanks i knew there was a twist ;D
• 303[01:35:54] <mxh-> t5u: amd64 and x86_64 refer to the same thing :P
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• 363[02:01:19] <tharkun> If I use grep name .bashrc I get grep: warning: GREP_OPTIONS is deprecated; please use an alias or script WTF does that mean in plain English?
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• 365[02:01:49] <bazhang> tharkun, deprecated?
• 366[02:02:18] <N0rthlight> Hey is there still a problem installing VM-ext from the repository ?
• 367[02:02:35] <tharkun> bazhang: The whole thing I am using the bash command Shouldn't it be up to date?
• 368[02:03:10] <bazhang> tharkun, what whole thing
• 369[02:03:33] <N0rthlight> Let me rephrase that anybody using virtualbox-ext-pack on debian atm?
• 370[02:03:33] <bazhang> tharkun, ifconfig is deprecated, for example
• 371[02:03:40] <tw> tharkun: it means unset GREP_OPTIONS in your environment.
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• 373[02:04:43] <pingfloyd> N0rthlight: yes
• 374[02:04:58] <pingfloyd> N0rthlight: you need to match it to the version vbox you're using
• 375[02:05:13] <pingfloyd> either way, you have to get it from virtualbox.org
• 376[02:05:19] <tharkun> tw: Thanks underlying question is who setted that up on the first place. I'm using zsh
• 377[02:05:27] <pingfloyd> N0rthlight: that's because of its licensing
• 378[02:05:41] <N0rthlight> So its not in debian rep am i correct ?
• 379[02:05:51] <pingfloyd> N0rthlight: I don't think it is
• 380[02:06:05] <N0rthlight> I am on Kali so its a little different trying to make sure I dont mess things up
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• 382[02:06:10] <pingfloyd> N0rthlight: even the wiki says you have to get is from virtualbox.org
• 383[02:06:13] <N0rthlight> Thx man.
• 384[02:06:26] <pingfloyd> kali is its own can of worms
• 385[02:06:35] <bazhang> #kali-linux N0rthlight
• 386[02:06:53] <bazhang> #debian does not support kali N0rthlight
• 387[02:06:54] <N0rthlight> Its debian based of course and try to get a awnser out of that channel :)
• 388[02:06:55] <johnkeates> isn't there something like:
• 389[02:06:57] <johnkeates> !dpkg kali
• 390[02:06:57] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 391[02:07:05] <pingfloyd> what holds true for debian may not hold true at all for kali even though kali is derived from debian
• 392[02:07:08] <tw> tharkun: dunno, it's your zshrc. I'd also check some of the profile stuff in /etc. fwiw, I also use zsh and I don't get that message on deb9
• 393[02:07:11] <bazhang> then be patient N0rthlight
• 394[02:07:17] <N0rthlight> I know I asked a debian question just explained my situationafter ;)
• 395[02:07:34] <johnkeates> !dpkg based on debian
• 396[02:07:34] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 398[02:07:48] <tharkun> tw: Yes I figured it out but now I have flat instances without highlights. Thanks for the slap on the right direction :)
• 399[02:07:53] <N0rthlight> guys relax I udnerstand all this.
• 400[02:08:09] <bazhang> N0rthlight, then why ignore it all
• 401[02:08:09] <johnkeates> i'm just using dpkg because it was used against me so often :D my turn now
• 402[02:08:14] <N0rthlight> My question was Debian based.
• 403[02:08:19] <johnkeates> no it wasn't
• 404[02:08:25] <N0rthlight> read again
• 405[02:08:27] <tharkun> N0rthlight: The devil is on the details debian != debian-based
• 406[02:08:28] <johnkeates> nay
• 407[02:08:28] <N0rthlight> And comeback to me
• 408[02:08:33] <johnkeates> nope
• 409[02:08:41] <N0rthlight> then dont tell me it ws not
• 410[02:08:45] <johnkeates> it was not
• 411[02:08:46] <bazhang> N0rthlight, kali, go to kali channel, simple
• 412[02:08:56] <tw> tharkun: the suggested change is alias grep="grep --color=auto"; It's probably the only good use of alias (things you don't want executed by script, but do want evaluated by interactive)
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• 414[02:09:09] <pingfloyd> or switch to a sane and well support dist such as debian stable
• 415[02:09:13] <N0rthlight> <N0rthlight> Hey is there still a problem installing VM-ext from the repository ?
• 416[02:09:16] <pingfloyd> supported
• 417[02:09:22] <tharkun> tw: Thanks will set it up that way.
• 418[02:10:34] <tharkun> tw: works like a charm thanks again.
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• 427[02:16:56] <hassoon> the heck is up with this no-adapters-found bluetooth error that appears whenever i scan for/add devices in blueman.. :/
• 428[02:17:02] <stree> or find blueman works well
• 429[02:17:12] <hassoon> what ?
• 430[02:17:17] <stree> but what they do yet
• 431[02:17:58] <hassoon> i'm sorry ?
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• 448[02:28:48] <_Vi> Is Debian Stretch fatter compared to Debian Jessie? "After this operation, 5,101 MB of additional disk space will be used." Previous dist-upgrades seemed to only add about 1G.
• 449[02:29:19] <bazhang> fatter?
• 450[02:29:29] <bazhang> as in more packages?
• 451[02:29:41] <_Vi> Takes more disk size on average when similar packages installed.
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• 456[02:31:36] <petn-randall> _Vi: Not really. Just remove those packages you don't need then.
• 457[02:32:24] <_Vi> Can it calculate somehow which packages are unused based on atime?
• 458[02:32:53] <ryouma> unlikely
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• 460[02:33:17] <petn-randall> _Vi: You just need to go through the package list. I recommend using aptitude for that.
• 461[02:33:50] <_Vi> It's too long to manually consider every entry.
• 462[02:34:00] <petn-randall> _Vi: Likely you system just collected recommended packages over time. Not that they are of any harm, though. :)
• 463[02:34:10] <ryouma> you can try things like aptitude -F '%p' search '!?automatic ?installed'
• 464[02:34:29] <ryouma> dpigs exists
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• 469[02:35:42] <_Vi> That aptitude command maxed out console's scrollback buffer. Not for manual consideration...
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• 471[02:36:30] <nothingnew> kll
• 472[02:36:31] <petn-randall> _Vi: pipe it to less.
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• 474[02:37:19] <_Vi> There are many names unknown to me that I not remember (manually) installing.
• 475[02:37:35] <ryouma> i don't know if there is a perfect formula
• 476[02:37:55] <ryouma> many have been proposed. it would be good if you could just do aptitude --i-installed-these
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• 480[02:38:23] <_Vi> Is there some tool that actually uses atime in meaningful way to give hints about packages?
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• 483[02:38:45] <ryouma> atime is likely too volatile to be useful
• 484[02:38:57] <_Vi> What is it for then?
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• 486[02:39:09] <_Vi> (root is mounted relatime)
• 487[02:39:31] <_Vi> I expected that one use of atime is finding unused stuff.
• 488[02:39:38] <ryouma> debugging, forensics, maybe email
• 489[02:40:18] <ryouma> if you ever read something, the atime will change
• 490[02:40:34] <ryouma> (though not immediately)
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• 493[02:41:23] <ahmed751995> excuse me , how can i play mpeg4 videos in firefox ?
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• 537[03:04:16] <VentGrey> Is this the proper place to ask for a not-working patch?
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• 557[03:17:45] <wjtaylor> how can I get window rollup and background window focus like older linux?
• 558[03:18:52] <bazhang> did you mean compiz
• 559[03:19:05] <bazhang> or some gnome functionality
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• 562[03:20:52] <peterrooney> "focus follows mouse" feature depends on the window manager you are using
• 563[03:21:18] <peterrooney> wjtaylor: "focus follows mouse" feature depends on the window manager you are using
• 564[03:21:28] <bazhang> 'older linux'
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• 566[03:21:40] <peterrooney> wjtaylor: also, window rollup depends on window manager.
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• 571[03:22:24] <wjtaylor> peterrooney: gnome 3 :/
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• 577[03:22:58] <wjtaylor> I think it used to be posix... ??
• 578[03:23:17] <wjtaylor> long ago back in 96...
• 579[03:23:33] <wjtaylor> Irix?
• 580[03:23:40] <wjtaylor> i don't remember
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• 582[03:24:03] <abrotman> Irix is the proprietary Unix for SGI systems
• 583[03:24:10] <wjtaylor> that would be it
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• 586[03:24:43] <wjtaylor> Wow.. now I feel old....
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• 674[04:18:44] <Artemis3> wjtaylor, and you like gnome3?
• 675[04:19:40] <Artemis3> xfce would probably be more natural to you.
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• 686[04:27:30] <nvz> /111
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• 688[04:28:05] <nvz> does thunar usually have like default folder icons and such? I'm running it outside xfce and there are no icons only text
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• 690[04:28:27] <t5u> hi, i am experiencing some issues, after a clean installation of Jessie on RPI I am trying to install php and it says Unable to locate package php
• 691[04:28:33] <stree> your experiencing that
• 692[04:29:07] <t5u> well not too sure how it can't find it
• 693[04:29:21] <mxh-> t5u: apt search php
• 694[04:29:33] <mxh-> t5u: it's called php7.0 the package
• 695[04:29:36] <t5u> also php-mysql and php-curl ?
• 696[04:30:02] <mxh-> t5u: probably also includes version numbers, but the search is great ;)
• 697[04:30:09] <t5u> thanks man
• 698[04:30:23] <mxh-> btw im on sid so maybe stable doesn't have 7.0
• 699[04:30:35] <t5u> should be 7.0
• 700[04:30:42] <jmcnaught> it's php5 in jessie, php7.0 in stretch
• 701[04:30:52] <jmcnaught> t5u: are you using raspian?
• 702[04:30:54] <nvz> ,versions php5 jessie
• 703[04:30:55] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1
• 704[04:31:00] <t5u> jmcnaught: yes
• 705[04:31:06] <jmcnaught> !raspian
• 706[04:31:06] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 707[04:31:34] <t5u> dpkg: are you a passionate bot ?
• 708[04:31:35] <dpkg> t5u: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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• 710[04:31:45] <eck> dpkg ilu
• 711[04:31:45] <dpkg> wish i knew, eck
• 712[04:31:50] <nvz> !what are you
• 713[04:31:50] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
• 714[04:32:01] <t5u> with passion
• 715[04:33:39] <nvz> so can anyone tell me if thunar is suppose to have icons for the files and if so perhaps do you know what process provides this? nautilus I know requires gnome-settings-daemon for this or mate-settings-daemon for caja
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• 718[04:34:49] <jmcnaught> nvz: does it give clues on stdout if you run it from a terminal? I've only used thunar once or twice, but it had icons from what I recall
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• 721[04:36:23] <nvz> jmcnaught: I'll try that when my move operation is complete and see, but usually filemanagers that are themeable require some sort of backend for thier graphics to work properly. caja/nautilus at least show broken icons like the X thing you see in a web browser when the backend isn't running, this isnt showing anything but text and its a little annoying for drag/drop file operation to not have an icon to hit
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• 723[04:36:47] <nvz> I'd prefer a good lightweight filemanager that just has default icons and not all the themes and backends
• 724[04:37:09] <jmcnaught> mc?
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• 726[04:37:30] <nvz> thunar is decent, my only real complaint so far other than the icon thing is that it doesn't show anything in status bar when you copy/cut files so I'm never sure if I actually did it or not
• 727[04:37:48] <nvz> isn't mc a curses app?
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• 729[04:37:59] <jmcnaught> yeah :P
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• 732[04:38:49] <nvz> well I've taken to using X now that I got my hardware figured out and I don't really want to keep using console apps extensively in X, it defeats the purpose of wasting the resources to do a GUI
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• 736[04:39:59] <mxh-> nvz: it's a cycle mate ;)
• 737[04:40:03] <nvz> I'm using nodm+sawfish+tint2 and still using links2 for most stuff though. its way faster
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• 739[04:40:54] <nvz> I think I need to file some bugs against sawfish because its failing to bind many keys. which sucks, the bindings are one of its best features.
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• 742[04:41:28] <nvz> it just feels kind of pointless filing those sorts of bugs after the release because they're not going to get fixed in stable
• 743[04:42:09] <t5u> jmcnaught: thanks yes all works with the version no.
• 744[04:42:24] <mxh-> nvz: why sawfish if i may ask?
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• 746[04:42:32] <mxh-> nvz: i get keybinds but that's universal
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• 748[04:43:43] <nvz> mxh-: I fell in love with sawfish back when gnome still used it, I'm not into the themes which is the main reason other than the rare lisp dialect its coded in, that it got ditched. Sawfish unlike most other wms of its kind with its features has a UI for config that takes effect immediately, no opening, editing, and saving config files then restarting the wm
• 749[04:44:16] <nvz> sawfish allows me to customize my UI on the fly with its bindings and matched windows and UI config. I can quickly change things to match what I'm doing at the time
• 750[04:44:23] <mxh-> nvz: looked into stumpwm? it connects to emacs so you can edit on the fly :3
• 751[04:44:33] <mxh-> elisp, that is.
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• 753[04:44:54] <mxh-> no restart either, just a repl
• 754[04:44:58] <nvz> yeah if I wanted to do more typing I'd probably go with ion
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• 756[04:45:27] <nvz> being able to hit "grab" to get a keystroke or window matcher quickly and easily is part of the beauty of sawfish
• 757[04:45:50] <mxh-> nvz: lmao ok, just suggested another lisp-based extremely extensible wm ;)
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• 761[04:46:28] <nvz> when you're in the middle of doing a bunch of crap and want to change your whole UI around in a hurry to automate things, sawfish has been unparalleled in my experience
• 762[04:47:08] <nvz> ion is very easy to control but requires more keyboard use obviously because its a mostl keyboard driven wm
• 763[04:47:45] <mxh-> coolio, gl with the issue i tried to help with :) gnmight
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• 770[04:49:00] <jmcnaught> nvz: i just ran "aptitude search ~Guse::browsing~Gworks-with::file" and it reminded me of gentoo which seems pretty simple. I've only tried it from reading the nmg. some others listed by that command that you might try
• 771[04:49:22] <jmcnaught> rox-filer maybe?
• 772[04:49:24] <nvz> I always forget about gentoo because I see it and think of the linux distro
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• 774[04:49:38] <jmcnaught> yeah it's confusing
• 775[04:49:40] <nvz> which of course makes me want to stay away :P
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• 778[04:51:23] <nvz> I think I've used rox-filer before too. hmm. thunar is decent performance wise and if I knew what process handled its icons I could try adding it to my .xsession and see how that affects things, but its lack of status output for many things does annoy me a bit
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• 780[04:51:37] <t5u> nano x-i
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• 793[05:00:55] <nvz> hmm I fogot I had PCManFM installed.. this is more what I was looking for. Gentoo and Rox-filer are both quite annoying in their own ways, but at least Gentoo is highly configurable. Gotta love an annoying app with a "nagging" section in their config :P
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• 802[05:03:10] <nvz> unfortunately PCMan doesn't tell you when it has copied/cut something either I should file bugs on both thunar and pcman suggesting either the "faded" approach or output to the status bar. Its just not right for a GUI filemanager to show no sign, not even a flicker to acknowledge you just performed an operation
• 803[05:03:46] <theouterlinux> Weird question, if I create an encrypted /home partition with OpenSUSE, will Debian be able to mount it as home for an install?
• 804[05:04:09] <nvz> theouterlinux: not all that weird, and actually a great question.. unfortunately its not so simple to answer
• 805[05:04:57] <theouterlinux> I like OpenSUSE's encryption strength; it uses 512 by default.
• 806[05:05:03] <nvz> there are lots of options for filesystems especially encrypted ones and they can cause problems. I had a luks volume using Twofish and couldn't use it on this orange pi because it only had kernel suppot for AES
• 807[05:05:48] <theouterlinux> It would be AES 512 if I used OpenSUSE....hmmm....
• 808[05:06:18] <nvz> theouterlinux: yes I just made a 512 AES-XTS a couple days ago on Stretch, but it does seem that the package default is 256 AES- whatever that IV thing is called.. I forget
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• 813[05:07:18] <nvz> theouterlinux: as far as the FS itself goes most incompatible options can be worked around, but the actual container settings are not so easy to work around if the platform doesn't have support for it
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• 815[05:07:46] <nvz> ah its called AES-essiv
• 816[05:09:43] <theouterlinux> By the way, I'm having weird issues with Thunar drag-and-drop/copy/paste as well (Xubuntu). It seems fairly recent though. Drag and drop is pretty much broke for me, though I'm using a different kernel than most (4.12).
• 817[05:10:06] <jmcnaught> theouterlinux: you can configure the key size in debian-installer. replaced-url
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• 819[05:10:47] <nvz> strangely the output of cryptsetup --help doesn't show 512 support but the output of cryptsetup status crypt clearly shows I made this 512 aes-xts
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• 823[05:12:22] <nvz> root@orangepilite:/home/user# cryptsetup --help | grep -A 3 "cipher parameters" | tr "\n" " "
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• 825[05:12:40] <nvz> /bin/sh: 1: cryptsetup: not found
• 826[05:12:50] <nvz> that was not what I was trying to do :P
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• 829[05:13:06] <nvz> loop-AES: aes, Key 256 bits plain: aes-cbc-essiv:sha256, Key: 256 bits, Password hashing: ripemd160 LUKS1: aes-xts-plain64, Key: 256 bits, LUKS header hashing: sha256, RNG: /dev/urandom
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• 833[05:13:42] <nvz> those are the default compiled in parameters of stretch's cryptsetup
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• 837[05:14:11] <theouterlinux> Better than Ubuntu's default; I heard it was 128.
• 838[05:14:13] <nvz> but it does definately support 512bit keys with AES-XTS because I'm using it
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• 840[05:14:44] <nvz> on one of my crypt containers anyhow. I've been trying out different things
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• 842[05:15:52] <nvz> I did the 512 AES-XTS on a 128GB thumbdrive, I've never encrypted one of these before. I made a header backup just in case cause I wasn't sure how reliable it'd be on a flashdrive
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• 846[05:16:23] <nvz> I've used small luks files on thumdrives before, but never encrypted the whole thing
• 847[05:16:29] <jrmu> jmcnaught: thanks for the help yesterday with the html validator, I think I found a good one: tidy-html5: replaced-url
• 848[05:16:29] <jrmu> I think they're updating it for modern web standards. Hooray :)
• 849[05:18:42] <jmcnaught> jrmu: are you going to be validating the output of a web application?
• 850[05:18:46] <theouterlinux> On OpenSUSE I usually /boot ext2, / ext4, swap, and then /home 512 AES ext4. The only only problems I've had were that sometimes OpenSUSE would hiccup between GUI and terminal interface for typing in the password. The default settings were to ask for it at each boot before doing anything. I liked that.
• 851[05:19:32] <jrmu> jmcnaught: right now just hand written static sites
• 852[05:19:32] <jrmu> jmcnaught: did you have any specific conerns?
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• 854[05:20:34] <jrmu> great, the debian package already has the newer html5 version
• 855[05:20:36] <jmcnaught> theouterlinux: swap should be encrypted too. The way debian-installer's guided partitioning sets it up is /boot is a partition, everything else is in an LVM volume group whose physical volume is an encrypted volume
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• 858[05:24:15] <BPlus> Hey, guys. Very noobish question, in sources.list, what is the difference between stretch and stretch-updates? Does stretch provide updates within the current milestone and stretch-updates for major milestones? ie 9.1 to 9.2
• 859[05:24:30] <theouterlinux> I don't use LVM (I don't think) on my SUSE machine. Couldn't you just use swapoff -a and swapon -a to clear it?
• 860[05:24:40] <jmcnaught> jrmu: I was going to suggest you look at selenium which you can use to test with actual browsers. It's not the same as checking the validity I suppose, but you can use it to test that a site looks how you want it to in multiple browsers, and that it acts correctly as well
• 861[05:25:26] <jmcnaught> !stretch-updates
• 862[05:25:26] <dpkg> well, stretch-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. replaced-url
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• 864[05:26:23] <theouterlinux> @jmcnaught When in doubt, I test with w3m. It it looks to complex, then it is, but not that it would help with web apps.....:/
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• 867[05:26:39] <BPlus> Thank you @jmcnaught
• 868[05:26:41] <jmcnaught> theouterlinux: I don't think swapoff/swapon erases the contents of the swap but I could be wrong
• 869[05:27:43] <jmcnaught> theouterlinux: if you're concerned enough that you want to double the default key size, then you should take care to encrypt swap so that decrypted copies of your secrets don't end up there
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• 875[05:28:46] <theouterlinux> I know, but the way I setup I don't use LVM and so decrypting isn't automatic, not that I can't remember two passwords.
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• 879[05:29:41] <jrmu> jmcnaught: thanks, let me check out selenium. I had not heard of it till today.
• 880[05:30:38] <jmcnaught> why not use LVM?
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• 884[05:32:41] <theouterlinux> Because the current setup allows me to run kernel 4.12 with up to date software on a dinky Acer Aspire One ZG5, 1 GB of RAM, with no issues. If I LVM, I'm afraid it would crawl.
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• 886[05:33:40] <theouterlinux> XFCE of course
• 887[05:34:03] <jmcnaught> I doubt LVM alone would make much impact. Using snapshots can slow things down a bit.
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• 890[05:35:55] <theouterlinux> I just want to be sure that the HD only physically moves between / <-->[swap]<--> /home. It actually speeds things up considerably.
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• 893[05:37:13] <eck> maybe you should uh, go dumpster diving
• 894[05:37:20] <eck> you could probably find a better computer in about half an hour
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• 900[05:37:54] <Hyp3ri0n> hello
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• 902[05:38:40] <OtakuSenpai> while doing apt-get install gcc-7 last night,i got the following errors
• 903[05:38:42] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
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• 905[05:39:19] <OtakuSenpai> someone told me to past some relevant information,all of which i did in tht link
• 906[05:39:38] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: you should ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 907[05:39:51] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught, why?
• 908[05:40:01] <jmcnaught> because that's the unstable support channel
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• 911[05:40:18] <theouterlinux> @eck How would I find a better computer if it does the same things my 4GB RAM one does? Using SUSE I had Firefox, Kodi, GIMP, LibreOffice, and PCSXR open in their own workspace (XFCE) and all worked just fine on the 7 year old Acer.
• 912[05:40:20] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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• 914[05:41:14] <eck> you must be using firefox differently from me
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• 918[05:41:50] <theouterlinux> Probably; I hate having a bunch of tabs open; I never understood that.
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• 920[05:44:14] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught, while doing apt-get install gcc-6,i get the same error
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• 923[05:46:03] <wyoung> hai gang!
• 924[05:46:16] <theouterlinux> I've noticed that a lot of i386 repositories, regardless of distro, aren't being maintained all that well.
• 925[05:46:41] <jmcnaught> theouterlinux: do you have a Debian support question? This isn't really a social channel.
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• 927[05:47:08] <theouterlinux> I was responding to the pastebin from Otaku.
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• 931[05:50:31] <OtakuSenpai> guys help
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• 934[05:52:31] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: please take you support question for unstable to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where you will find other unstable users
• 935[05:52:58] <jmcnaught> I promise you that OFTC is no more difficult to use than freenode :P
• 936[05:53:01] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught, its not unstable repos,im downloading from the stretch repos
• 937[05:53:09] <theouterlinux> @OtakuSenpai I usually just install build-essential.
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• 939[05:53:28] <OtakuSenpai> its gcc-6,not 7
• 940[05:53:48] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: your paste showed you using sid, is this a completely different system now?
• 941[05:54:12] <OtakuSenpai> idk
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• 943[05:54:34] <OtakuSenpai> ok let me see,ill remove sid repos from sources.list
• 944[05:54:59] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: you cannot mix stable and unstable
• 945[05:55:18] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: did you install any packages while you had sid in sources.list?
• 946[05:55:27] <OtakuSenpai> no
• 947[05:56:03] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: your paste is also mentioning packages for jessie. Do you have some sort of jessie/stretch/sid hybrid going on?
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• 949[05:56:48] <OtakuSenpai> i was upgrading from jessie to stretch last night
• 950[05:57:15] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: are you sure you finished? Were you following the instructions in the release notes?
• 951[05:57:56] <OtakuSenpai> i had some sid repos in my sources.list...maybe thts where the abnormalities came
• 952[05:58:42] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: replaced-url
• 953[05:58:59] <OtakuSenpai> i know =-=
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• 956[06:02:59] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: were the sid repos in your sources.list while you were upgrading from jessie to stretch?
• 957[06:03:10] <OtakuSenpai> yes
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• 959[06:03:16] <OtakuSenpai> and i messed up
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• 961[06:03:41] <OtakuSenpai> idk how i downgrade from sid to stretch
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• 963[06:04:21] <jmcnaught> downgrades aren't really supported, apt and dpkg are designed to be a one way street
• 964[06:04:28] <stree> why downgrades are not waters
• 965[06:04:48] <OtakuSenpai> then what do i do?
• 966[06:04:58] <OtakuSenpai> i hav sid packages now in my computer
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• 969[06:07:27] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: can you make a paste of this command? 'aptitude -F "%c %p %v %t" search ~E ~prequired'
• 970[06:07:39] <OtakuSenpai> ok
• 971[06:10:17] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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• 977[06:14:58] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: most of those, including libc6, are still the jessie version
• 978[06:15:12] <OtakuSenpai> hmm
• 979[06:15:27] <jmcnaught> !partial downgrade
• 980[06:15:27] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
• 981[06:15:30] <OtakuSenpai> some packages werent updated while i did apt-get upgrade
• 982[06:16:08] <OtakuSenpai> ok
• 983[06:19:12] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: I don't know how many packages got upgraded when you attempted your upgrade, this list is only core packages. your base-files is from unstable, dash is from unstable, grep is from unstable
• 984[06:19:39] <OtakuSenpai> hmm
• 985[06:20:00] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: you'll probably need to attempt downgrading these packages before you try to continue your upgrade
• 986[06:20:16] <OtakuSenpai> ok
• 987[06:20:28] <jmcnaught> and there could be a lot more not-so-core packages from unstable lurking on your system
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• 989[06:22:10] <OtakuSenpai> yeah
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• 992[06:23:01] <abff> I have a queston: at any particular tty login shell there is a title at the top that says "Debian <insert system name ex: GNU/Linux> <versionnumber or name> <hostname> ttyX" where X is the tty's number designation. Where is the version number or name bit come from because some of my tty's say different things from the others
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• 995[06:24:14] <jmcnaught> multiarch-support is another one I just noticed. You have a mix of jessie, stretch, and unstable. With some luck and determination you can maybe downgrade enough packages that you can finish the jessie→stretch upgrade without the package manager getting confused about weird versions. Make sure to read the release notes, especially the upgrade instructions and issues to be aware of: replaced-url
• 996[06:24:20] <jmcnaught> rg/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/
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• 1008[06:32:07] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught, i did aptitude and it takes me to a screen where there are many options
• 1009[06:32:28] <OtakuSenpai> what i do not understand is tht what do i press enter on?
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• 1011[06:32:55] <OtakuSenpai> do i press enter on "Upgradeble Packages" ?
• 1012[06:32:57] <OtakuSenpai> or "New Packages"
• 1013[06:33:14] <OtakuSenpai> sorry Installed*
• 1014[06:33:28] <OtakuSenpai> sorry but it is quite vexing me
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• 1016[06:33:42] <peterrooney> abff: read file /etc/issue, and manpage for getty
• 1017[06:34:41] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: if you're completely unfamiliar with aptitude you may find it easier to use apt-get with syntax like "apt-get --reinstall install dash=0.5.8-2.4"
• 1018[06:35:05] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught, ok
• 1019[06:35:30] <OtakuSenpai> so how do i find the correct package version number for stretch?
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• 1024[06:36:20] <peterrooney> OtakuSenpai: apt-cache policy <packagename>
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• 1027[06:36:33] <OtakuSenpai> thnx
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• 1035[06:38:23] <OtakuSenpai> also one thing,how do i search for upgraded packages?
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• 1039[06:40:21] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: "aptitude search '~i!~Astable" searches for packages that are installed, not from the stable archive.
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• 1041[06:40:32] <stree> i am currently in wheezy, how big their contents
• 1042[06:41:00] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught, thnx
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• 1071[07:01:20] <abff> peterrooney thanks man
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• 1160[08:03:42] <sbeex> hello ! Our sysadmin generate us some bullshit subdomains like 321321-ju-afafafa.company.com is there a way locally to create a kind of alias (in windows it would be add a line in hosts file) that will do: sonar.company.com instead of this shitty url ? :)
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• 1164[08:04:12] <irobot> hi all, i need help
• 1165[08:04:28] <vutral> hi
• 1166[08:04:42] <Haohmaru> sbeex, linux also has a hosts file
• 1167[08:04:52] <stree> the hosts file to another directory
• 1168[08:05:06] <irobot> run `nohup java -jar /home/mituresprd/mitures-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar &` as root, it's work fine, but with other user, `java` will be kiiled when exit shell.
• 1169[08:05:49] <sbeex> stree and Haohmaru okay yes but it will work like desired ? I mean it change the displayed url not only redirect from cool.name -> dirty.long.name ?
• 1170[08:05:56] <irobot> also, run `tmux` then deattach work fine, but other user `tmux` will be kiiled when exit shell
• 1171[08:05:57] <vutral> irobot, try suffixing 2>&1 >/dev/null &
• 1172[08:05:58] <stree> your desired inference, sbeex unmount
• 1173[08:06:10] <irobot> vutral: ok, i trying
• 1174[08:07:11] <sbeex> stree: hmm we are talking about a web url right ? we can mount a website?
• 1175[08:07:15] <Haohmaru> sbeex, /etc/hosts only tells your own linux system that "thishost" should be equivalent to "thathost" or "thatip"
• 1176[08:07:16] <stree> not linux proper url
• 1177[08:07:20] <Haohmaru> as far as i understand
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• 1179[08:07:56] <sbeex> Haohmaru: yes exactyl so basically it should work except if the website check that the host is really "his.long.name.com"
• 1180[08:08:01] <irobot> vutral: not work
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• 1182[08:08:07] <sbeex> but it will not be so problematic I will give a try ;) thank you
• 1183[08:08:26] <irobot> vutral: i think is there some limit of root and other user, such as socket limit.
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• 1197[08:12:39] <VentGrey> Hello, is someone here good at makefile errors?
• 1198[08:12:41] <irobot> is anyone can help me
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• 1202[08:17:06] <mxh-> VentGrey: post the error.
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• 1204[08:17:12] <mxh-> irobot: ask the question.
• 1205[08:17:13] <sbeex> Haohmaru: doesn't works is it right: destination ip \t (tab) wanted alias ?
• 1206[08:17:42] <Haohmaru> sbeex, i don't remember.. check the documentation or a tutorial
• 1207[08:18:14] <sbeex> yes I know RTFM xD But I did :/ replaced-url
• 1208[08:18:24] <VentGrey> replaced-url
• 1209[08:18:25] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1210[08:18:27] <sbeex> oh it suddently started working
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• 1212[08:18:40] <sbeex> maybe I had to wait that the system read this file again
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• 1214[08:19:24] <Haohmaru> yes, the documentation should say (somewhere) what you have to do (if anything) to refresh these settings
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• 1216[08:19:43] <Haohmaru> laziest way is to reboot
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• 1218[08:20:06] <irobot> mxh-: run `nohup java -jar /home/xxxx/xxxx.jar &` as root, it's work fine, but with other user, `java` will be kiiled when exit shell.
• 1219[08:20:19] <irobot> mxh-: also, run `tmux` then deattach work fine, but other user `tmux` will be kiiled when exit shell
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• 1222[08:21:47] <mxh-> even using & to run in the background, exiting the shell will kill any jobs. however if you detatch from tmux before exiting the shell it should keep going.
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• 1224[08:22:07] <mxh-> `Ctrl+b d` to detach
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• 1232[08:25:08] <irobot> mxh-: tmux deattach not work under none root user. but work fine under roo
• 1233[08:25:10] <irobot> mxh-: tmux deattach not work under none root user. but work fine under root
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• 1235[08:25:45] <mxh-> irobot: what do you mean doesn't work? what's the issue?
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• 1241[08:27:27] <irobot> mxh-: issue: the daemon process will auto kiiled when exit shell
• 1242[08:27:58] <irobot> mxh-: i guess, is there some limit of kernel or config
• 1243[08:28:39] <mxh-> no, that's the whole idea. tmux sessions persist. did you try tmux list-sessions
• 1244[08:28:48] <mxh-> you absolutely shouldn't need root
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• 1246[08:29:00] <irobot> mxh-: `tmux ls ` show nothing
• 1247[08:29:23] <irobot> mxh-: tmux all be killed, when i dettach from a tmux session then exit shell
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• 1249[08:29:52] <hiya> How to uninstall Gnome fully? I want to switch to KDE? Should I be using ssdm DM?
• 1250[08:30:02] <hiya> GDM should be avoided now when installing kde right?
• 1251[08:30:27] <OtakuSenpai> you can hav gnome and kde side by side
• 1252[08:30:31] <mxh-> irobot: i just now detatched, killed shell, logged out from session, logged in and ran tmux a
• 1253[08:30:34] <stree> do hav universal gerrit +2 though
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• 1256[08:30:42] <mxh-> irobot: dunno what to tell you, it's how it's supposed to work
• 1257[08:31:00] <OtakuSenpai> just choose what desktop to login to in the login screen
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• 1259[08:31:31] <irobot> mxh-: see this gist, replaced-url
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• 1261[08:32:17] <irobot> mxh-: i have show my steps in this gist
• 1262[08:33:17] <hiya> OtakuSenpai, but I want to remove Gnome fully
• 1263[08:33:21] <hiya> I don't like it only
• 1264[08:33:30] <mxh-> irobot: i see your issue, but i have not encountered it. i run tmux on my debian server and log in and out all the time. sry friend.
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• 1267[08:33:39] <hiya> it is sluggish and freezes even on my i5-4th gen laptop with 4GB Ram and HD graphics
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• 1269[08:33:54] <irobot> mxh-: thank u all the same.
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• 1271[08:34:34] <OtakuSenpai> hiya apt-get autoremove some-main-gnome-package-here
• 1272[08:35:04] <hiya> OtakuSenpai, aptitude purge gnome
• 1273[08:35:05] <hiya> :P
• 1274[08:35:08] <hiya> trying it
• 1275[08:35:18] <OtakuSenpai> hiya, one more thing...kde will be as tht sluggish
• 1276[08:35:28] <hiya> OtakuSenpai, oh?
• 1277[08:35:29] <OtakuSenpai> in your computer
• 1278[08:35:31] <hiya> why is that?
• 1279[08:35:34] <OtakuSenpai> try i3
• 1280[08:35:54] <OtakuSenpai> if you will be using plasma,tht is
• 1281[08:35:59] <hiya> I have tried it for 1 hour and it works fine and better smooth
• 1282[08:36:06] <hiya> butter*
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• 1285[08:36:27] <hiya> on the same laptop with same installation just different DE and same DM even
• 1286[08:36:46] <VentGrey> Purge all gnome packages in one dump? apt remove --autoremove --purge gnome*
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• 1288[08:37:39] <OtakuSenpai> if you say so
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• 1299[08:42:53] <_Strix_> guys I am unable to access any google site on my kali linux machihe.
• 1300[08:43:07] <_Strix_> any help would be appreciated.
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• 1302[08:43:21] <OtakuSenpai> !kali
• 1303[08:43:21] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1309[08:44:25] <Haohmaru> hacker-howto :>
• 1310[08:44:47] <_Strix_> OK
• 1311[08:45:16] <_Strix_> I have already asked on #kali-linux.
• 1312[08:45:55] <OtakuSenpai> this isnt exactly a kali channel
• 1313[08:46:04] <OtakuSenpai> ask in ##linux
• 1314[08:46:11] <Haohmaru> _Strix_, did you try to ping google or see if it resolves to the proper IP?
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• 1316[08:46:21] <Haohmaru> did you clear your cookies, tried with another browser?
• 1317[08:46:43] <Haohmaru> use duckduckgo.com ;P~
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• 1319[08:48:46] <_Strix_> ping works just fine
• 1320[08:49:46] <_Strix_> 64 bytes from bom07s12-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.203.206): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=73.3 ms
• 1321[08:50:42] <OtakuSenpai> then its your browser
• 1322[08:50:52] <_Strix_> I could access duckduckgo and any other site.
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• 1333[08:57:54] <AndreasLutro> dnscrypt-proxy on debian 9.1, what's the correct way of installing plugins? I'm getting this: Plugin [/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dnscrypt-proxy/libdcplugin_example_ldns_forwarding.so] can't be loaded: [No such file or directory]
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• 1340[09:02:09] <AndreasLutro> ah, there is a dnscrypt-proxy-plugins package... that was easy
• 1341[09:02:29] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me with this? replaced-url
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• 1343[09:04:08] <well_laid_lawn> looks like you have mariadb and are trying to load mysql
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• 1347[09:04:32] <hexhaxtron> well_laid_lawn: what should I do?
• 1348[09:04:39] <well_laid_lawn> pasting the command that brings an error helps
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• 1351[09:05:14] <hexhaxtron> well_laid_lawn: I'm using Claws Mail and when I click Get Mail I get that error.
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• 1357[09:05:40] <_Strix_> after I updated my iceweasel to firefox everything works just fine.
• 1358[09:05:55] <well_laid_lawn> hexhaxtron: I know nothing about claws mail
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• 1360[09:06:16] <well_laid_lawn> hexhaxtron: have you upgraded the distro lately ?
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• 1362[09:06:35] <hexhaxtron> well_laid_lawn: I think so.
• 1363[09:06:41] <well_laid_lawn> ok
• 1364[09:06:51] <well_laid_lawn> give me a minute
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• 1366[09:07:56] <hexhaxtron> well_laid_lawn: I was having problems installing mariadb-server and then I followed this link and it worked: replaced-url
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• 1374[09:10:55] <well_laid_lawn> hexhaxtron: it probably removed mysql which claws mail seems to neded
• 1375[09:10:55] <well_laid_lawn> the net had next to nothing on that issue
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• 1416[09:29:53] <gidna> hello
• 1417[09:30:19] <gidna> How is it possible that I cannot install bedian through the wireless??
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• 1419[09:31:05] <well_laid_lawn> you probably need some firmware for the wifi device
• 1420[09:31:25] <gidna> during the installation it only allows you to use DHCP..
• 1421[09:31:26] <greenit> hi, does anyone know why the linux-headers-amd64 are held back in debian unstable?
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• 1425[09:32:19] <well_laid_lawn> gidna: you should be able to use dhcp with the wifi
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• 1427[09:33:02] <gidna> well_laid_lawn: yes but there's no way to scann for the network...
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• 1430[09:33:33] <well_laid_lawn> iwlist scan maybe
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• 1433[09:34:36] <gidna> well_laid_lawn: I'm talking about the installation through the netinstall...
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• 1435[09:35:13] <well_laid_lawn> gidna: you should at least have a tty to use
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• 1440[09:40:47] <hexhaxtron> Any help with this? replaced-url
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• 1450[09:50:12] <sdrausry> Hello, is any one here?
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• 1452[09:50:59] <towo^work> no
• 1453[09:51:09] <towo^work> !anyone
• 1454[09:51:09] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 1455[09:51:14] <sdrausry> no?
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• 1457[09:51:28] <sdrausry> I guess it was.
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• 1461[09:53:52] <celyr> !popcorn
• 1462[09:53:52] <dpkg> popcorn is, like, not popcon
• 1463[09:53:59] <celyr> !popcon
• 1464[09:54:00] <dpkg> [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
• 1465[09:54:14] <sdrausry> OK. I have a real question. I am using Termux on Android. How can I mount a filesystem in Termux?
• 1466[09:54:44] <sdrausry> replaced-url
• 1467[09:55:29] <towo^work> sdrausry, this is #debian, not #android
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• 1473[09:57:58] <hexhaxtron> How can I fix this? Aug 02 08:57:04 skylake dovecot[21930]: auth-worker(22296): Error: mysql(localhost): Connect failed to database (dbispconfig): Access denied for user 'ispconfig'@'localhost' (using password: YES) - waiting for 25 seconds before retry
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• 1475[09:59:15] <OtakuSenpai> sdrausry, /msg alis list termux
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• 1479[10:02:27] <sdrausry> Mounting a filesystem from file in Termux, is this beyond scope? Android is Linux. Termux is Linux in your pocket.
• 1480[10:03:03] <Haohmaru> what's termux?
• 1481[10:03:15] <Haohmaru> i don't have linux in my pocket
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• 1483[10:03:33] <towo^work> sdrausry, this is a debian supportchannel, not linux, not android
• 1484[10:03:52] <sdrausty> apt is apt correct?
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• 1491[10:05:55] <sdrausty> apt is on Android in Termux & Does Anyone Want to Have More Native Space on Device? replaced-url
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• 1499[10:07:58] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell sdrausty about based on debian
• 1500[10:07:59] <sdrausty> simple topic:
• 1501[10:08:00] <sdrausty> Even though this is a fairly simple issue in Linux (create file > format filesystem in file > mount filesystem in file via loop device), it is impossible in Termux at present.
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• 1503[10:08:39] <OtakuSenpai> sdrausty, you are wasting your time....
• 1504[10:08:40] <sdrausty> Can anyone help please?
• 1505[10:08:47] <sdrausty> ok
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• 1507[10:09:11] <jmcnaught> sdrausty: please respect the topic. Other distros are off-topic here, it creates confusion. There are two or three people like you each day, in the wrong channel refusing to take a hint.
• 1508[10:09:46] <sdrausty> Termux is a debian...
• 1509[10:09:55] <sdrausty> on Android.
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• 1519[10:13:15] <sdrausty> Can debian be run on an Android?
• 1520[10:13:33] <Haohmaru> isn't android an OS?
• 1521[10:13:46] <klys> where can I read more about a built-in conflicts (not in /var/lib/dpkg/status) between perl:i386 and perl:amd64 ?
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• 1523[10:14:08] <OtakuSenpai> Haohmaru, lets stop talking over this
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• 1525[10:14:29] <klys> sdrausty, if you root android you can install debian armhf.
• 1526[10:14:49] <sdrausty> running an OS in an OS, wine comes to mind.
• 1527[10:15:03] <Haohmaru> perfect idea.. wine :>
• 1528[10:15:06] <sdrausty> noroot!
• 1529[10:15:09] <OtakuSenpai> sdrausty, pls type /msg alis list termux in server tab
• 1530[10:15:23] <sdrausty> klysv wherz dasourz
• 1531[10:15:34] <klys> sdrausty, if you don't want root, try the gnuroot apk on GOOG app store.
• 1532[10:16:09] <Haohmaru> ask google how to root your android device, i'm sure you'll get a cookie
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• 1534[10:17:21] <sdrausty> Gnuroot gobydygooook just tried gnuroot from playstore - does not work :{
• 1535[10:17:32] <klys> werks for me
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• 1537[10:18:23] <well_laid_lawn> that's trademarked
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• 1539[10:19:13] <sdrausty> Termux works for me. I simply just do not have enough native space on device. replaced-url
• 1540[10:19:31] <OtakuSenpai> smelling a troll....
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• 1542[10:19:44] <sdrausty> sniff sniff
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• 1544[10:20:10] <CQ> does testing-backports make sense in a sources.list ??? does that even exist?
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• 1547[10:20:30] <jmcnaught> CQ: no it doesn't exist
• 1548[10:20:47] <CQ> jmcnaught: thanks, thats what I thought
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• 1554[10:21:17] <jmcnaught> CQ: you should also be using codenames like stretch, buster instead of testing in your sources. Also testing/unstable support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 1555[10:21:25] <klys> jmcnaught, would you know about perl:i386 conflicts: perl:amd64
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• 1557[10:21:48] <CQ> jmcnaught: this is in a test VM that I want to keep at testing...
• 1558[10:22:09] <jmcnaught> klys: i don't have multiarch enabled on this computer, but I don't see a conflict
• 1559[10:22:29] <klys> jmcnaught, I'll try updating multiarch-support...
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• 1563[10:23:16] <jmcnaught> klys: to 2.24-11+deb9u1?
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• 1565[10:23:49] <klys> sure
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• 1570[10:25:04] <klys> ,versions multiarch-support
• 1571[10:25:05] <judd> Package: multiarch-support on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; buster: 2.24-12; sid: 2.24-14
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• 1575[10:26:48] <jmcnaught> klys: it's a transitional package. also note that the version matches the version of libc6. Can you make a paste of the info requested in '/msg dpkg basic apt troubleshooting'?
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• 1577[10:29:02] <klys> jmcnaught, Imma have to take this to debian-next
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• 1582[10:31:30] <sdrausty> I do not want the whirling fans with rotating disks. How can I returnto debian? replaced-url
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• 1585[10:32:58] <jmcnaught> sdrausty: replaced-url
• 1586[10:33:29] <sdrausty> I am on #termux jmcnaught: thx
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• 1588[10:34:28] <sdrausty> Termux is debian @core Many believe it cones from ubuntu...
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• 1590[10:34:42] <jmcnaught> !based on debian
• 1591[10:34:42] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 1593[10:36:46] <sdrausty> w'bout encouraging "pure <blend>" in Termux, a cousin of debian. What is pure <blend>? btw
• 1594[10:37:25] <jmcnaught> sdrausty: '/msg dpkg blend'
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• 1596[10:37:43] <Haohmaru> i guess pure blend stands for debian distros designed for specific purposes
• 1597[10:37:46] <Haohmaru> oh uhm
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• 1604[10:39:13] <Haohmaru> sdrausty, you need to buy yourself a bag of patience
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• 1608[10:39:30] <Haohmaru> and ask your questions in the right places
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• 1613[10:42:12] <sdrausty> Hoahmaru: Termux wants java APK experts. It is more than replaced-url
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• 1615[10:42:53] <Haohmaru> sdrausty, you're not gonna get anywhere by doing this
• 1616[10:43:01] <sdrausty> ok
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• 1622[10:46:11] <LINUX-NEW> morning
• 1623[10:46:22] <Haohmaru> it's noon >:/
• 1624[10:46:30] <sdrausty> night
• 1625[10:46:54] <LINUX-NEW> i'm installing a php v5.5 near php7 so from source list i have configure: error: Cannot find libz all users solve by Running xcode-select --install bu i don't understand how to do this ?
• 1626[10:46:57] <sdrausty> well 'bout ²be mornin
• 1627[10:47:01] <LINUX-NEW> anyone can help me
• 1628[10:47:03] <LINUX-NEW> ^
• 1629[10:47:10] <LINUX-NEW> yes sorry
• 1630[10:47:18] <sdrausty> php rocks
• 1631[10:47:50] <Haohmaru> Q: when you "open" a file.. a "default" application is used to open it.. who is responsible for that? the file manager?
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• 1633[10:49:49] <jmcnaught> LINUX-NEW: what release of Debian are you using?
• 1634[10:49:58] <LINUX-NEW> debian 9.1
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• 1639[10:50:53] <jmcnaught> LINUX-NEW: and you're compiling php 5.5 from source?
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• 1644[10:54:11] <jmcnaught> LINUX-NEW: that doesn't sound like a good idea if that's your plan. The simplest would be to install jessie and use its php 5.6 which still has security support for a while.
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• 1646[10:55:45] <derekjc> Hello
• 1647[10:55:50] <sdrausty> Hi
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• 1650[10:56:20] <derekjc> I'm trying to preseed a system. for some reason, swap is being allocated way too much space
• 1651[10:56:24] <derekjc> replaced-url
• 1652[10:56:41] <derekjc> What am I doing wrong?
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• 1655[10:58:03] <sdrausty> All my debians are off. They require whirling fans and rotating disks upon disks. Well kinda. How can I turn my debian back on?
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• 1659[10:58:58] *** sdrausty was kicked by jelly (try asking a real question)
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• 1661[10:59:04] <hiya> How to setup a proxy for Kmail in Debian
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• 1666[11:01:47] <sdrausry> Can I run debian on Android without rooting Android?
• 1667[11:03:27] <Haohmaru> you can run 32bit linux on an 8bit attiny processor and reach desktop, if that counts then the answer is probably "yes"
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• 1673[11:04:34] <sdrausty> jelly: hi;)
• 1674[11:04:58] <Haohmaru> not sure what you expect to get out of all this
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• 1684[11:08:33] <sdrausty> This is a simple straightforward question, "Can I run debian on Android without rooting Android?Your reply is welcome here @ #debian & replaced-url
• 1685[11:09:02] <Haohmaru> so are you trying to spam your webpage?
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• 1687[11:09:32] <sdrausty> huh?
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• 1689[11:10:06] <Haohmaru> i don't think anyone can tell you whether *you* can do a certain thing or not
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• 1691[11:10:18] <Haohmaru> but since you ask, the answer is probably "no"
• 1692[11:10:26] <Haohmaru> "no, you can't"
• 1693[11:10:31] <sdrausty> I want space on device. Lots of it.
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• 1696[11:10:48] <Haohmaru> and what should we do? buy you more space?
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• 1699[11:12:52] <sdrausty> Haohmaru: I get that "No you can't @ #termux 2
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• 1701[11:13:15] <sdrausty> dats y im back yello
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• 1703[11:13:27] <Haohmaru> okay, so you got your answer then?
• 1704[11:13:34] <sdrausty> hm?
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• 1708[11:14:06] <CQ> how do you back up root files with rsync if you are a non-root user on the machine where the backup should be stored?
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• 1710[11:14:28] <CQ> i.e. machine A has the backup as a normal user, and machine B's /etc/* should be backed up
• 1711[11:14:45] <bazhang> ,v etckeeper
• 1712[11:14:46] <judd> Package: etckeeper on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.63; jessie: 1.15; buster: 1.18.5-1; stretch: 1.18.5-1; sid: 1.18.5-1
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• 1715[11:15:08] <Haohmaru> to my untrained nose that smells like it shouldn't work, CQ
• 1716[11:15:22] <bazhang> you need admin to install it
• 1717[11:15:28] <bazhang> ie sudo or similar
• 1718[11:15:43] <CQ> Haohmaru: I know, that's what I'm trying to figure out: how to do it anyway ;)
• 1719[11:15:54] <Haohmaru> some system files will not be readable at all without root privilege
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• 1721[11:16:17] <Haohmaru> or.. wait.. does rsync care about access rules?
• 1722[11:16:22] <CQ> Haohmaru: I can READ all the files just fine, it's about how to store them on the second machine when you're a normal user there
• 1723[11:16:38] <CQ> bazhang: thanks, will have a look
• 1724[11:16:46] <bazhang> np
• 1725[11:16:48] <CQ> else I'd have to TAR them
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• 1737[11:19:12] <CQ> koollman: excellent! ... where / how are the attrs stored then? I don't get that...
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• 1740[11:19:51] <CQ> are the extended attributes stored in a filesystem-level structure, or in an index file, or ... ?
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• 1745[11:23:01] <koollman> CQ: filesystem level, I would say. extended attributes are a way to attach key/value to files in a filesystem
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• 1748[11:23:27] <koollman> they are attached to the file inode, like 'regular' attributes. but they can be set by users :)
• 1749[11:23:46] <noqnio1> Hey. I want to write the EFI and boot partitions on a USB drive, but the installer does not list it on the partitioning step. What could be wrong?
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• 1751[11:24:38] <Haohmaru> noqnio1, did you plug the usb stick too late?
• 1752[11:24:54] <noqnio1> No :/
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• 1754[11:25:17] <Haohmaru> the partitionner in the installer doesn't scan for new devices all the time i think
• 1755[11:25:33] <noqnio1> I plugged it in when the pc was off
• 1756[11:25:40] <CQ> koollman: yep, looks like it replaced-url
• 1757[11:27:44] <Haohmaru> noqnio1, try to go back in the installer till you get out of the partitioner, and then go into it again
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• 1760[11:29:14] <noqnio1> I just restarted the setup from the beginning and now it worked.. oh well
• 1761[11:29:20] <sdrausty> Haohmaru: No, not "buy more space", but simply: create file > format filesystem in file > mount filesystem in file via loop device on device, a smartphone in this case. replaced-url
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• 1765[11:30:08] <cujotus> :)
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• 1767[11:30:30] <cujotus> all friends
• 1768[11:30:44] <sdrausty> si
• 1769[11:31:04] <sdrausty> we
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• 1774[11:35:00] <sdrausty> on your smartphone in replaced-url
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• 1776[11:35:29] <sdrausty> `apt install pkg`
• 1777[11:35:44] <stree> the package install is different than normal, the version?
• 1778[11:35:49] <sdrausty> on Android...
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• 1780[11:36:34] <bazhang> #android sdrausty
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• 1782[11:36:47] <bazhang> why ask about android installing here
• 1783[11:37:04] <sdrausty> Would you like to see debian...
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• 1786[11:37:32] <bazhang> sdrausty, this is debian support only, not android
• 1787[11:37:36] <sdrausty> Like on Android?
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• 1789[11:37:43] <bazhang> what
• 1790[11:37:54] <Haohmaru> he's really hard to talk to
• 1791[11:37:55] <sdrausty> febiand on droid
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• 1793[11:38:26] <bazhang> sdrausty, how os that straight up debian
• 1794[11:38:32] <sdrausty> I want my debian back.
• 1795[11:38:44] <bazhang> sdrausty, back on what
• 1796[11:38:46] <Haohmaru> i want my LEGO back
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• 1798[11:39:08] <bazhang> Haohmaru, I want my EGGO
• 1799[11:39:18] <Haohmaru> u eggoist
• 1800[11:39:23] <bazhang> ikr
• 1801[11:39:32] <bazhang> sdrausty, debian on what
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• 1805[11:40:20] <sdrausty> I use smartphone. Laptops and desktops are of ago. Along with whirling fans with disks upon disks...
• 1806[11:40:28] <sdrausty> debian
• 1807[11:40:35] <sdrausty> bazbang
• 1808[11:40:41] <sdrausty> debian
• 1809[11:41:02] <jelly> sdrausty, do you have an actual, cohesive support question in mind?
• 1810[11:41:04] <jelly> !ask
• 1811[11:41:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1812[11:41:10] <bazhang> sdrausty, which exact device, what errors
• 1813[11:41:14] <sdrausty> replaced-url
• 1814[11:41:18] <Haohmaru> you want debian without noisy hardware?
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• 1817[11:41:45] <bazhang> he never told us apart from 'root android'
• 1818[11:41:47] <jelly> sdrausty, again, do you have a question we might help with?
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• 1820[11:42:13] <sdrausty> We want space, native space... for debian
• 1821[11:42:15] <jelly> an url with a list of packages does not a question make
• 1822[11:42:24] <jelly> what is your native language, sdrausty?
• 1823[11:42:28] <sdrausty> I have `apt`.
• 1824[11:42:34] <High> Hey, so I have a problem with updrading to new debian stable
• 1825[11:42:37] <sdrausty> C
• 1826[11:42:43] <High> I tried to do it and then it never understood my configs.
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• 1830[11:42:52] <Haohmaru> i'd guess a slavic language, not sure why
• 1831[11:42:57] <Haohmaru> my nose said so
• 1832[11:42:59] <High> From KDE4 to KDE5 is a disaster becuase the location of the configs is all different it seems
• 1833[11:43:01] <High> :(
• 1834[11:43:17] <High> so, if I upgrade, it seems I have to reconfigure all my daily apps.
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• 1836[11:43:35] <jelly> sdrausty, sorry, you're not making sense. I'm quieting you for an hour. Go drink some tea or coffee, try to be more coherent. Or ask in ##linux if you're not running Debian but a derivative.
• 1837[11:43:35] <High> I wonder how can one keep the KDE4 configs and still upgrade to debian stretch
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• 1839[11:44:51] <High> For example, Kate editor is my choice and it's heavily customized/configured, but when I upgrade to debian Stretch, the configs/custom settings go away and Kate is naked/brand new
• 1840[11:45:32] <jelly> High, yeah, plasma5 broke everything again. We had the same thing with kde3 -> kde4.
• 1841[11:45:48] <stree> is broke as fuck game makers for not following the logstash conf
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• 1843[11:45:50] <High> Oh, yeah, which is why I stayed on 3.5.10 for years.
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• 1845[11:45:59] <jelly> blame upstream, Debian can't really fix these kinds of things
• 1846[11:46:23] <High> I was curious if anyone converted the configs over or did you just throw in the towel and redo everything
• 1847[11:46:32] <jelly> the latter
• 1848[11:46:48] <High> *nod*
• 1849[11:47:05] <High> Well, I guess I'm staying on oldstable.
• 1850[11:47:12] <jelly> in fact, went back to xfce during stretch as testing
• 1851[11:47:19] <High> No real need to upgrade anyway. Haha
• 1852[11:47:31] <High> Yup. Xmonad here, but I just use a few kde apps.
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• 1855[11:48:41] <High> Haohmaru, Samurai Showdown!?
• 1856[11:48:53] <High> Haohmaru, you were my favorite character. Cheers. o/
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• 1879[12:04:23] <noqnio1> kernel select on installer, one with version one without, the without means latest?
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• 1885[12:07:45] <Haohmaru> High, yeah
• 1886[12:07:57] <Haohmaru> noqnio1, i think so
• 1887[12:08:07] <High> noqnio1, just get the one without the version
• 1888[12:08:25] <High> noqnio1, it's a meta package which should pull in the latest kernel when you install, and upgrade.
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• 1891[12:09:28] <noqnio1> ty
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• 1907[12:20:57] <JyZyXEL> % sudo chown -R root:dnsmasq /var/ftpd :(
• 1908[12:20:59] <JyZyXEL> chown: invalid group: ‘root:dnsmasq’
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• 1919[12:25:53] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
• 1920[12:26:08] <_Vi> How do I bad a package from being installed using apt preferences? After upgrading apt the `Pin: origin "" Pin-Priority: -1` method seems to be no longer working.
• 1921[12:26:13] <_Vi> *ban a package
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• 1935[12:33:45] <themill> _Vi: the entire entry in a pastebin along with the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" might help
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• 1937[12:34:37] <_Vi> themill, It is the same as if the pinning line were removed from apt preferences.
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• 1939[12:35:10] <_Vi> (For now resolved by creating, installing and holding a virtual package conflicting with packages I do not want).
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• 2005[13:13:12] * celyr spanks dpkg
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• 2020[13:22:37] <Haohmaru> does anyone got an idea what i should do to get "zip" option with xarchiver?
• 2021[13:23:09] <Haohmaru> i've seen it, and i know xarchiver can compress to .zip.. but i don't have it for some reason :~(
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• 2023[13:24:50] <crazyb0y> Haohmaru: do you have pzip7-full and zip packages installed?
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• 2027[13:26:30] <Haohmaru> nope
• 2028[13:26:41] <crazyb0y> Haohmaru: install them and try again after that
• 2029[13:26:46] <Haohmaru> in synaptic i found "zip" but no "pzip7"
• 2030[13:26:53] <Haohmaru> there's a similar one tho
• 2031[13:27:10] <Haohmaru> "p7zip-full" which i do have
• 2032[13:27:23] <crazyb0y> Haohmaru: p7zip-full - 7z and 7za file archivers with high compression ratio
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• 2034[13:27:44] <Haohmaru> i want good old zip
• 2035[13:28:07] <Haohmaru> yeeey, it works
• 2036[13:28:10] <crazyb0y> Haohmaru: install these packages and check if tthere is an option in xarchiver to compress and decompress .zip
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• 2038[13:28:34] <Haohmaru> yes, i got .zip as an option now
• 2039[13:28:40] <crazyb0y> Haohmaru: great
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• 2042[13:29:54] <crazyb0y> Haohmaru: if you want .rar too install p7zip-rar too
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• 2060[13:42:46] <forcerecon> anyone ever take a look at this folder on their pc
• 2061[13:42:49] <forcerecon> 201,596 items, totalling 140.7 TB
• 2062[13:42:49] <forcerecon> (some contents unreadable)
• 2063[13:43:00] <forcerecon> that is the proc folder
• 2064[13:43:22] <jelly> forcerecon, /msg dpkg proc
• 2065[13:43:47] <forcerecon> I think there is a small problem with that properties dialogue
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• 2067[13:44:15] <jelly> forcerecon, also, man 5 proc (manpages package has to be installed)
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• 2070[13:47:05] <forcerecon> I will take a look at man pages.. based on dpkg I am still unsure why it would read that amount of space
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• 2078[13:52:27] <asgdlhj> hi. i'm on the 9.1 gnome livecd with non-free firmware, and there doesn't seem to be any link or cue on how to start the installer (there usually is one on the desktop, etc)
• 2079[13:52:33] <asgdlhj> any tips?
• 2080[13:53:39] <Haohmaru> look somewhere in the start menu
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• 2082[13:53:56] <Haohmaru> or right-click on the desktop and check in the context menus
• 2083[13:54:24] <asgdlhj> as stated above, nothing such
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• 2085[13:54:42] <Haohmaru> if you still don't find it maybe try on another screen (ctrl+alt+[F1..to..F7])
• 2086[13:54:59] <Haohmaru> or logout of the desktop and hope you get back to the livecd menu
• 2087[13:55:14] <crazyb0y> asgdlhj: i heard yesterday that installing from livecd 9.1 is not recommended
• 2088[13:55:31] <Haohmaru> yes.. don't do it
• 2089[13:55:36] <Haohmaru> it has issues
• 2090[13:55:42] <Haohmaru> use the netinst iso
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• 2092[13:55:47] <BluesKaj> Haohmaru, has to be an install option in the menu
• 2093[13:56:09] <crazyb0y> yes there;s an option, but don;t install from 9.1 livecd
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• 2095[13:56:24] <Haohmaru> BluesKaj, sure, there is in the livecd menu, but when you select "Try debian live" you're thrown into a desktop
• 2096[13:56:30] <asgdlhj> there's nothing in the all apps stuff, the system menu thing on the top right, i tried to guess its name then scoured bin sbin and usrbin for anything that looks like it but no
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• 2098[13:56:44] <asgdlhj> its as if someone built a live image and forgot to add an installer
• 2099[13:56:48] <Haohmaru> asgdlhj, i was in a similar situation with a lxde-live iso
• 2100[13:57:02] <Haohmaru> i don't remember what i did, i either logged out or rebooted
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• 2102[13:57:09] <crazyb0y> asgdlhj: use the install menu before running the live system
• 2103[13:57:12] <Haohmaru> but use netinst
• 2104[13:57:27] <asgdlhj> no install menu straight out booted into live
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• 2106[13:57:38] <Haohmaru> oh?
• 2107[13:57:40] <crazyb0y> asgdlhj: just download the net installer image
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• 2109[13:58:08] <BluesKaj> crazyb0y, I always recommend the netinstall image, it has the text mode which works best IME
• 2110[13:58:23] <asgdlhj> i'll try the logout thing, then netinst if it doest work. thanks for confirming that it's not me being blind but the image being messy
• 2111[13:58:25] <crazyb0y> BluesKaj: yes better than livecd =)
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• 2115[13:59:30] <BluesKaj> the live image installer seems to have a lot of problems
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• 2117[14:00:15] <forcerecon> is there a simple command to uninstall all games in debian 9
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• 2120[14:00:54] <crazyb0y> forcerecon: gnome?
• 2121[14:01:04] <forcerecon> if not how do I see just all games in Synaptic Package Manager
• 2122[14:01:26] <Haohmaru> maybe go into synaptic and choose the games category, and then try to select all and mark for removal
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• 2125[14:01:41] <Haohmaru> or there's probably a nifty command which does it faster
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• 2127[14:01:45] <crazyb0y> forcerecon: you can use the filter in synaptic
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• 2129[14:02:02] <crazyb0y> if you prefer to delete them from sh
• 2130[14:02:12] <crazyb0y> forcerecon: apt-get purge gnome-games-common gbrainy && sudo apt-get autoremove
• 2131[14:02:15] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, type games in the search?
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• 2133[14:02:40] <crazyb0y> forcerecon: second scenario: apt-get purge aisleriot gnome-sudoku mahjongg ace-of-penguins gnomine gbrainy
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• 2135[14:03:06] <forcerecon> got it thanks everyone
• 2136[14:03:13] <crazyb0y> np
• 2137[14:04:07] <forcerecon> this is under games - Grilo is a framework focused on making media discovery and browsing
• 2138[14:04:07] <forcerecon> easy for application developers
• 2139[14:04:07] <forcerecon> should I remove that
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• 2142[14:04:40] <Haohmaru> o_O
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• 2144[14:04:51] <Haohmaru> does it smell like you need this?
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• 2147[14:05:08] <forcerecon> I just chose gnome-games and gnome-sodoku
• 2148[14:05:09] <forcerecon> see what that gets me.
• 2149[14:05:09] <Haohmaru> it might have been installed because some game (or other app) required it
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• 2151[14:05:14] <crazyb0y> forcerecon: grilo is a plugin "Framework for discovering and browsing media"
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• 2153[14:06:14] <Antares> Спасибо Игорь Николаевич! Очень благодарен!
• 2154[14:06:26] <crazyb0y> Antares: xexe =)
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• 2163[14:08:12] <forcerecon> I just did the uninstall but all the games and the games link still shows in the menu.. do I need to restart for that stuff to disappear
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• 2168[14:10:02] <Haohmaru> if it was LXDE stuff seems to appear and dissappear pretty much immediately from the start menu
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• 2172[14:11:23] <forcerecon> sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove games-rpg
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• 2174[14:11:31] <forcerecon> that works very nicely
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• 2177[14:12:15] <crazyb0y> forcerecon: apt-get autoremove is ok too
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• 2187[14:20:51] <LINUX-NEW> hi
• 2188[14:20:53] <LINUX-NEW> from this post
• 2189[14:20:53] <LINUX-NEW> replaced-url
• 2190[14:21:00] <LINUX-NEW> i don't know what i need to do exactly
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• 2192[14:21:03] <LINUX-NEW> anyone can help me ?
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• 2194[14:22:53] <babilen> LINUX-NEW: I don't think that bug report relates to Debian
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• 2197[14:23:24] <LINUX-NEW> simply need to understand what i mean " Running xcode-select --install fixed it for me too. "
• 2198[14:23:40] <babilen> LINUX-NEW: Which operating system are you using?
• 2199[14:23:49] <LINUX-NEW> debian 9.1
• 2200[14:23:52] <Haohmaru> xcode smells like the osx IDE
• 2201[14:24:05] <babilen> Why are you looking into Homebrew (package manager for OSX) then?
• 2202[14:24:37] <Haohmaru> babilen, i'd guess he googled the error he gets and that's the only results he found
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• 2204[14:24:40] <LINUX-NEW> oh sorry i'm in this because i put the error in google
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• 2206[14:24:48] <Haohmaru> >:)
• 2207[14:24:50] <LINUX-NEW> yes
• 2208[14:24:56] <babilen> What are you trying to do?
• 2209[14:25:04] <babilen> (start at the beginning)
• 2210[14:25:14] <LINUX-NEW> anyone can help me to solve ? i need install multiple version of php for these i need install php5.5 from source and i have these error
• 2211[14:26:14] <petn-randall> LINUX-NEW: Debian 9 (stretch) ships only with PHP 7. What service are you trying to run on it? They likely already support PHP7.
• 2212[14:26:26] <ksk> LINUX-NEW: you cannot install multiple versions of php on one server
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• 2214[14:26:41] <ksk> php does not support that, it uses $stuff wich conflicts with $stuff from other versions
• 2215[14:26:59] <ksk> like pathes, library names and so on
• 2216[14:27:16] <ksk> go buy webhosting at hosteurope, we have that ;)
• 2217[14:27:54] <ksk> you could also of course have some kind of frontend webserver, and then many backends in containers with different php versions
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• 2221[14:31:59] <fred1807> If I set my whole / partition as RO in fstab, is it possible to specify /home as RW in fstab?
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• 2224[14:33:15] <petn-randall> fred1807: Try it and see. I expect it to "work".
• 2225[14:33:45] <fred1807> so it is not a wrong concept ?
• 2226[14:34:15] <Haohmaru> are you trying to mount a folder on a partition onto another folder?
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• 2228[14:34:39] <petn-randall> fred1807: I expect many things to not work if you have / mounted ro.
• 2229[14:35:12] <crazyb0y> fred1807: try setting up permissions with selinux better
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• 2235[14:37:22] <fred1807> My / partition is already RO, and I have been working on that a long time now, /var is mouted as tempfs and so on... I am wondering if I can make /home RW editing fstab
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• 2239[14:40:10] <fred1807> (I have been following Debian tutorials to make my raspberry debian (*debian not raspbian) RO and safe for power cuts / plug removal). But I not asking about root partitions, RO issues.. Just asking what is the best way to make /home RW. Or I better create another partition in the disk for and mount it in home?
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• 2243[14:42:02] <crazyb0y> fred1807: better
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• 2264[14:51:51] <petn-randall> fred1807: Yes, /home has to be a separate partition. I assumed that was what you were asking for. You can't mount a part of a partition as rw.
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• 2266[14:52:06] <fred1807> ok
• 2267[14:52:44] <BluesKaj> fred1807, one can move / to a usb stick or hdd and have the system use the sdcard for /boot only. replaced-url
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• 2270[14:53:42] <fred1807> pen drive are any better than sd cards?
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• 2274[14:55:10] <BluesKaj> usb lasts longer, my experience with microsd was they couldn't handle too many writes, they fail after a few months
• 2275[14:55:43] <fred1807> I always tought that from the inside, they were the same
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• 2277[14:56:47] <BluesKaj> had / on a usb for almost 18 months, and all is well
• 2278[14:56:58] <jelly> if you have a hard disk always connected, sure, put /home there
• 2279[14:57:14] <BluesKaj> root as well
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• 2283[14:58:35] <jelly> if they had / on hdd they wouldn't have to care about a separate /home
• 2284[14:58:49] <BluesKaj> yup
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• 2314[15:13:27] <fire_xyz_com> hello guys , i have a problem with xbindkeys, when i bind something its doesn't react , even when i added "+release" , what is my problem?
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• 2316[15:13:39] <stree> my uses xbindkeys to bind fire_xyz_com, again?
• 2317[15:14:09] <fire_xyz_com> can you say it in other words?
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• 2321[15:15:05] <balance> not sure if it is a debian question but I'd like to check my vhosts syntax - as I said, I'm on debian but somehow I can't find the utility to do the check. theres no apachectl, apache2ctl or httpd command (tried paths too) on /usr/bin/*
• 2322[15:15:49] <petn-randall> balance: Do you have apache2 installed?
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• 2324[15:16:03] <balance> petn-randall, yeah, apache is working fine
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• 2326[15:16:33] <petn-randall> balance: apache2ctl is in /usr/sbin/, you need to run it as root.
• 2327[15:16:54] <balance> petn-randall, ah I just found my freaking stupid mistake :p
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• 2329[15:17:22] <petn-randall> balance: No prob, we're here to help. :)
• 2330[15:17:44] <balance> petn-randall, yeah excatly - somehow I managed to try it for 10 times without root ;)
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• 2352[15:28:29] <petn-randall> balance: I recommend installing 'command-not-found', which will either a) tell you which package needs installing, or b) will remind you that you need to run it as root if it's in /usr/sbin/.
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• 2354[15:29:21] <balance> petn-randall, thanks - in general I like to keep it simple. One kind of deserves to be punished if he forgets such a simple thing :P might look into it though :)
• 2355[15:30:19] <petn-randall> balance: It saves me a lot of time looking up the right package.
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• 2357[15:32:25] <balance> petn-randall, sure - but somehow I didn't experience spending lots of time looking for a package. :) I'll keep it in mind though
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• 2365[15:39:31] <_Vi> Why "apt update" complains "The following signatures were invalid: C278632ED004FC3805AF1F32F30DBAED1DE672D2"? If I download the Release and Release.gpg and check it manually with gpg it shows "Good signature from ...".
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• 2385[15:48:18] <DammitJim> when using htop, I see VIRT as 5601M
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• 2387[15:48:25] <DammitJim> is that really 5.6G of RAM?
• 2388[15:48:27] <DammitJim> I"m confused
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• 2392[15:48:55] <DammitJim> man htop just says: M_SIZE (VIRT)
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• 2403[15:53:34] <_Vi> gpgv --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/..._Release.gpg /va..._Release also shows "Good signature from ..."
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• 2405[15:56:19] <DammitJim> I think RES tells me actual usage, but it seems the number is off by 1 digit?
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• 2407[15:56:57] <Hyp3ri0n> hello
• 2408[15:57:04] <Hyp3ri0n> i need help
• 2409[15:57:39] <Hyp3ri0n> i cant connect to the net in my new ibnstall of jessie
• 2410[15:58:33] <Hyp3ri0n> im pasting the pic of my /etc/network/interfaces file
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• 2415[16:00:47] <wknapik> hi
• 2416[16:01:34] <wknapik> i've been working with go, npm and jenkins, but this is still the stupidest thing i've seen today
• 2417[16:01:37] <wknapik> $ apt show docker 2>&1|grep Description
• 2418[16:01:38] <wknapik> Description: System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications
• 2419[16:01:43] <wknapik> wtf ?
• 2420[16:02:04] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, using network-manager?
• 2421[16:02:19] <wknapik> where is the actual docker package in stretch ?
• 2422[16:02:49] <Haohmaru> this docker thing seems to be scandalous
• 2423[16:03:11] <wknapik> what's going on ?
• 2424[16:03:22] <wknapik> how did this happen ? and how can i install docker ?
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• 2426[16:03:46] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj no
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• 2428[16:03:56] <Hyp3ri0n> bare jessie install
• 2429[16:04:03] <BluesKaj> wknapik, it's in the repos
• 2430[16:04:21] <BluesKaj> component main
• 2431[16:04:24] <dsc_> dont you like system trays for KDE3/GNOME2 ?
• 2432[16:05:02] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, wifi or ethernet?
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• 2434[16:05:24] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2435[16:05:25] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2436[16:05:41] <petn-randall> _Vi: Can you provide the info above? ^^^
• 2437[16:06:10] <wknapik> BluesKaj i need a package name
• 2438[16:06:26] <BluesKaj> docker
• 2439[16:06:38] <Haohmaru> i confirm
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• 2441[16:06:49] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj ethernet
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• 2443[16:06:57] <wknapik> BluesKaj i showed you what apt sees as the docker package - a bunch of icons
• 2444[16:07:09] <wknapik> BluesKaj when i install it, i actually get a bunch of icons
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• 2446[16:08:08] <jelly> ,v docker.io
• 2447[16:08:09] <judd> Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.13.1~ds1-2
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• 2449[16:08:26] <jelly> wknapik, that thing?
• 2450[16:08:28] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, paste your interfaces file here replaced-url
• 2451[16:08:40] <wknapik> Package docker.io is not available, but is referred to by another package.
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• 2453[16:08:59] <jelly> wknapik, as the bot says, it's not present in stretch
• 2454[16:09:04] <wknapik> ah
• 2455[16:09:10] <wknapik> ehh
• 2456[16:09:21] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj im onmobile
• 2457[16:09:30] <Hyp3ri0n> on mobile*
• 2458[16:09:36] <wknapik> well, why not make things easy, if they can be made difficult and confusing, right ?
• 2459[16:09:46] <BluesKaj> wknapik, add these to your sources deb lines, contrib non-free
• 2460[16:09:57] <wknapik> BluesKaj i will, but this is wrong
• 2461[16:10:05] <wknapik> this is braindead stupid
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• 2463[16:10:20] <jelly> wknapik, if a package is really horribly buggy during release time, it doesn't enter a release at all
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• 2465[16:10:34] <jelly> and docker.io was apparently buggy enough
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• 2467[16:10:51] <wknapik> jelly and another package is substituted for it ?
• 2468[16:10:59] <jelly> no
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• 2470[16:11:06] <wknapik> jelly there's no justification for the icons package being called docker
• 2471[16:11:33] <jelly> wknapik, that piece of software was called "docker" before the container project even existed.
• 2472[16:11:45] <jelly> it came first.
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• 2474[16:11:50] <wknapik> haha
• 2475[16:11:54] <wknapik> there's a joke in there
• 2476[16:11:57] <Hyp3ri0n> im uploading an image
• 2477[16:12:19] <wknapik> jelly still...
• 2478[16:12:31] <raktajino> the obvious solution is don't use docker :V
• 2479[16:12:38] <jelly> you want docker for stretch you'll have to get it someplace else, not Debian
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• 2481[16:12:45] <wknapik> raktajino i'll get right on that
• 2482[16:12:46] <BluesKaj> mobile what? , phone , tablet , laptop?
• 2483[16:12:58] <wknapik> well thanks everyone
• 2484[16:12:58] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n,^
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• 2486[16:14:06] <BluesKaj> jelly, it's in the main contrib non-free
• 2487[16:14:16] <jelly> BluesKaj, what is?
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• 2489[16:14:22] <BluesKaj> docker
• 2490[16:14:29] <jelly> BluesKaj, which docker?
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• 2494[16:15:12] <BluesKaj> jelly, Version 1.5-1+b1
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• 2496[16:15:17] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj a android 4.1
• 2497[16:15:45] <jelly> BluesKaj, the software in package named "docker" is not what wknapik is looking for.
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• 2499[16:16:08] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj replaced-url
• 2500[16:16:10] <jelly> BluesKaj, look at its description.
• 2501[16:16:14] <Hyp3ri0n> pls help
• 2502[16:16:32] <jelly> wknapik, get packages from upstream repo I guess
• 2503[16:16:43] <jelly> replaced-url
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• 2506[16:17:36] <Haohmaru> as i said, this docker thing is scandalous
• 2507[16:17:38] <Hyp3ri0n> when i press ping google.com, the led for the computer in the modem blinks but then ping says host not found
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• 2510[16:18:37] <wknapik> BluesKaj added contrib non-free, ran apt update, apt install docker.io, "Package docker.io is not available"
• 2511[16:19:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1745
• 2512[16:19:07] <wknapik> jelly this is looking like the only option atm
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• 2515[16:20:37] <wknapik> tragic.
• 2516[16:20:48] <jelly> horrific!
• 2517[16:20:53] <BluesKaj> ahh docker.io
• 2518[16:21:03] <Haohmaru> unaceptaburu!
• 2519[16:22:01] <Hyp3ri0n> anyone!?
• 2520[16:22:33] <jelly> Hyp3ri0n, check dns resolving on your local lan.
• 2521[16:22:40] <greycat> Hyp3ri0n: sounds like it could be DNS. What's in your /etc/resolv.conf file?
• 2522[16:23:01] <Hyp3ri0n> jelly, my mobile is connected to the modems wifi
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• 2525[16:23:49] <Hyp3ri0n> greycat my resolv.cobf file has this lines
• 2526[16:24:09] <Haohmaru> Hyp3ri0n, do you have ping to your router, can you access (or ping) your ISP's website?
• 2527[16:24:12] <Hyp3ri0n> nameserver 192.168.1.1
• 2528[16:24:16] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, access to a terminal/console? if so run, ip a | grep inet . the ethernet name in the inet line might look like emp0s7 , no more eth0 on systemd
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• 2530[16:24:44] <greycat> Interface naming does not seem relevant at the moment.
• 2531[16:25:02] * Haohmaru renames greycat to graycat
• 2532[16:25:14] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj its a old hp desktop
• 2533[16:25:20] <Hyp3ri0n> im on jessie
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• 2535[16:25:40] <Hyp3ri0n> ip a | grep inet gives some things
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• 2537[16:25:47] <jelly> Hyp3ri0n, if you have dig installed, can you pastebin the output of "dig google.com @192.168.1.1"
• 2538[16:26:00] <BluesKaj> jessie uses systemd now does it not?
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• 2540[16:26:15] <Haohmaru> jessie = debian 8?
• 2541[16:26:16] <jelly> BluesKaj, by default yes
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• 2543[16:26:46] <Hyp3ri0n> jelly wait
• 2544[16:27:02] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, check the line in the output that begins with" inet"
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• 2546[16:27:21] <greycat> If you can't look up hostnames through 192.168.1.1 then try: dig +short @8.8.8.8 A replaced-url
• 2547[16:27:40] <greycat> If that works, then you should change your resolv.conf which is a battle unto itself in recent releases.
• 2548[16:28:06] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, replace eth0 with the new name in your interfsces file
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• 2550[16:28:16] <greycat> BluesKaj: "predictable interface names" is new in stretch installs.
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• 2552[16:28:45] <BluesKaj> yup
• 2553[16:28:49] <greycat> I still have no idea why you are asking Hyp3ri0n about his interface names when he appears to have a hostname resolution issue.
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• 2557[16:29:47] <Hyp3ri0n> replaced-url
• 2558[16:29:52] <BluesKaj> greycat, because he asked nme about his interfaces file and he's using static IP without network-manager
• 2559[16:30:58] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, your post unreadable here
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• 2561[16:31:17] <Hyp3ri0n> sorry but its an old phone
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• 2563[16:31:48] <greycat> I'm assuming "post img" means it's a screen shot, which means I have very little motivation to open it.
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• 2568[16:32:49] <Haohmaru> i see "connection timed out. no server could be reached" or something like that
• 2569[16:32:58] <Haohmaru> potato camera ;]
• 2570[16:33:12] <Hyp3ri0n> pls help
• 2571[16:33:14] <vitx> Hi, I have a question. If someone choses to go with old stable because he wants max stability. You have a very old version of Chromium there. Won't that mean that it comes without security patches that are necessary for security ?
• 2572[16:33:17] <greycat> Hyp3ri0n: 1) Are you able to ping 192.168.1.1 2) Do you get correct results from dig +short @192.168.1.1 A replaced-url
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• 2574[16:33:24] <Haohmaru> your packets are going into the void
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• 2576[16:33:47] <greycat> ,v chromium
• 2577[16:33:48] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 59.0.3071.86-1; buster: 59.0.3071.104-1; sid: 60.0.3112.78-1
• 2578[16:33:52] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, what word is at the end of inet , it looks like this "inet 192.168.0.103/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global enp0s7"
• 2579[16:34:01] <vitx> greycat: yes it's 37
• 2580[16:34:03] <greycat> vitx: Is 57 "very old version"?
• 2581[16:34:11] <vitx> greycat: I was talking for 37
• 2582[16:34:14] <greycat> jessie = oldstable = 57.x
• 2583[16:34:23] <vitx> greycat: oh so the wheezy is just useless now ?
• 2584[16:34:32] <greycat> wheezy is oldoldstable
• 2585[16:34:43] <vitx> greycat: ok so please answer my question and putoldoldstable there
• 2586[16:34:50] <vitx> instead of oldstables
• 2587[16:34:52] <greycat> I would never use oldoldstable on a desktop.
• 2588[16:34:57] <vitx> greycat: ok got it, thanks
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• 2590[16:35:46] <Hyp3ri0n> theres no inet there
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• 2593[16:37:05] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, I gave you a command to run , " ip a | grep inet" , did you run it ?
• 2594[16:37:08] <greycat> BluesKaj: looks like he's ignoring everyone but you, so good luck.
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• 2596[16:37:37] <BluesKaj> greycat, think he's overloaded with suggestions
• 2597[16:38:02] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj i thought of another commabd
• 2598[16:38:11] <Hyp3ri0n> wait im running tht
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• 2600[16:40:08] <greycat> "netstat -in" is still the nicest command line way to retrieve interface names, sadly. I don't think ip has a comparable reporting format.
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• 2602[16:41:00] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj replaced-url
• 2603[16:41:01] <greycat> "ip link" is the closest I've found, and it's much messier.
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• 2613[16:45:02] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, try greycat's suggestion, ip link ,.... ip a | grep inet doesn't seem to work
• 2614[16:45:15] <Hyp3ri0n> ok
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• 2617[16:45:45] <greycat> And instead of making a screen shot, just *tell us* what the interface name is.
• 2618[16:46:00] <rovonovo_zoro> there is a debian workshop on node.js going on in #debian-browserify , feel free to join
• 2619[16:46:05] <debianuser5003> Hello, i just installed debian however i have some errors on the firmware it seems
• 2620[16:46:11] <BluesKaj> maybe you don't have systemd , if not then it's something els in your interfaces file that's mucked up, Hyp3ri0n
• 2621[16:46:19] <debianuser5003> But the screens are too fast, where i can check problems ? dmesg ?
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• 2623[16:46:50] <greycat> It's not just "having systemd". Predictable interface names are a result of *many* things done by the stretch installer.
• 2624[16:46:55] <BluesKaj> greycat, good point
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• 2626[16:47:31] <debianuser5003> One is related to i guess "tg3" something
• 2627[16:48:07] <greycat> debianuser5003: if you have the filenames from dmesg, you can /msg judd file filename
• 2628[16:48:09] <Hyp3ri0n> netstat -in gives eth0 n li
• 2629[16:48:13] <Hyp3ri0n> lo*
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• 2631[16:48:26] <greycat> Hyp3ri0n: can you ping 192.168.1.1
• 2632[16:48:40] <BluesKaj> hmm
• 2633[16:48:53] <Hyp3ri0n> no
• 2634[16:49:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1754
• 2635[16:49:04] <Hyp3ri0n> destination host unreachable
• 2636[16:49:40] <greycat> What IP address did you give to eth0?
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• 2638[16:50:06] <Hyp3ri0n> 192.168.0.12
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• 2641[16:50:25] <greycat> Then why did you use 192.168.1.1 for your nameserver?
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• 2643[16:50:39] <Hyp3ri0n> what should i give??
• 2644[16:50:51] <Hyp3ri0n> ok
• 2645[16:50:52] <greycat> The correct nameserver IP. Whatever that is for your network.
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• 2647[16:51:08] <N0rthlight> hi, during Debian netinst installation can you chose your flavor?
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• 2649[16:51:28] <greycat> If you mean desktop environments, yes, you can choose one or more desktop environments during the net install.
• 2650[16:51:37] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, run, ip a. for the router/gateway IP
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• 2652[16:52:01] <debianuser5003> Also i have this message: " [Firmware Bug]: The BIOS Has Corrupted Hw-PMU Resources"
• 2653[16:52:04] <N0rthlight> greycat Thank you.
• 2654[16:52:12] <debianuser5003> at the very beginning of the boot phase
• 2655[16:52:52] <N0rthlight> 9.1 is stable correct?
• 2656[16:52:57] <greycat> yes
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• 2658[16:53:10] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj ok
• 2659[16:53:12] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, don't bother with that
• 2660[16:53:26] <BluesKaj> it's the wrong command
• 2661[16:53:37] <Hyp3ri0n> then?
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• 2665[16:54:21] <greycat> Hyp3ri0n: are you able to ping 8.8.8.8 ?
• 2666[16:54:40] <Hyp3ri0n> i assigned 192.168.1.xx in address
• 2667[16:54:52] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, route -n
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• 2669[16:55:18] <Hyp3ri0n> greycat no
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• 2671[16:55:57] <greycat> Hyp3ri0n: do you have ANYTHING working at all on this entire network? Another PC, possibly a Windows PC?
• 2672[16:56:05] <Hyp3ri0n> no
• 2673[16:56:21] <N0rthlight> I have one last question. Can I be pointed toward solid guide on how to install nvidia driver for 9.1? My last time on Debian I had to find the information's on some random website.
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• 2675[16:56:32] <greycat> Then where did you get "192.168.0.12" from, and where did you get "192.168.1.1" from, and where did you get "192.168.1.xx" from, and what do you mean by "address"?
• 2676[16:56:40] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj it gives some output... unsure how to relay it
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• 2678[16:57:00] <greycat> N0rthlight: replaced-url
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• 2680[16:57:02] <nkuttler> wtf, i can ping a host, traceroute it, but ssh tells me no route to host
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• 2682[16:57:23] <Hyp3ri0n> greycat i got tht 192.168.1.1 from setting it up
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• 2684[16:57:40] <Hyp3ri0n> 192.168.0.12 was my bad
• 2685[16:57:59] <N0rthlight> Greycat thanks last time the information was not on this page. you are awesome.
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• 2687[16:58:16] <Hyp3ri0n> i thought it should be 192.168.1.xx in the eth0 address
• 2688[16:58:29] <greycat> From setting *what* up?
• 2689[16:59:08] <greycat> What are you using as a router? What IP address does the router have?
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• 2691[17:00:10] <Hyp3ri0n> replaced-url
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• 2693[17:00:21] <Hyp3ri0n> greycat a iball baton
• 2694[17:00:27] <Hyp3ri0n> idk the model
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• 2696[17:00:38] <Hyp3ri0n> it doesnt hav linux in it
• 2697[17:00:38] <jmcnaught> Hyp3ri0n: any chance you could just use DHCP for long enough to regain your connection and figure out your router network configuration?
• 2698[17:00:41] <greycat> Does your router not act as a DHCP server?
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• 2701[17:01:00] <greycat> Right, set up the Debian system as a DHCP client.
• 2702[17:01:03] <Hyp3ri0n> jmcnaught im thinking i hav a dhcp problem
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• 2706[17:01:51] <greycat> "I plugged random things into other random things and chose random IP addresses with mismatching networks" rarely works.
• 2707[17:02:00] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, can you run sudo route -n
• 2708[17:02:07] <jmcnaught> Hyp3ri0n: does your phone also have a static IP? Why aren't you using DHCP in the first place?
• 2709[17:02:07] * Jobewankenobi snickers
• 2710[17:02:12] <stree> more static linkage, etc
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• 2714[17:02:30] <Hyp3ri0n> srry
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• 2720[17:03:28] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, sudo route -n will give your the router/gatway IP
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• 2722[17:03:41] <Hyp3ri0n> replaced-url
• 2723[17:03:41] <greycat> Which will be some random number he made up from thin air.
• 2724[17:03:52] <Hyp3ri0n> i believe tht was the pic
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• 2728[17:04:26] <Hyp3ri0n> isnt there a way to find up the correct address for dhcp??
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• 2730[17:04:50] <greycat> Yes. Configure the system as a DHCP client.
• 2731[17:05:00] * BluesKaj backs off, now there's too many cooks
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• 2733[17:05:10] <greycat> DHCP means the server tells you what addresses to use.
• 2734[17:05:26] <Hyp3ri0n> ok
• 2735[17:05:35] <Hyp3ri0n> how do i find it out
• 2736[17:06:02] <greycat> Comment out everything you did for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces and replace it with two lines: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
• 2737[17:06:22] <greycat> Then run ifdown eth0, and then ifup eth0
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• 2739[17:06:45] <Hyp3ri0n> ok
• 2740[17:06:48] <Hyp3ri0n> thnx
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• 2746[17:08:23] <BluesKaj> oh well, I tried :/
• 2747[17:08:45] <greycat> You were on the right track, realizing that his problem went deeper than he originally indicated.
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• 2751[17:09:28] <BluesKaj> he just needs the correct gateway IP in his interfacesfile
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• 2754[17:09:46] <greycat> He needs to be on the right *network* first.
• 2755[17:10:00] <greycat> He doesn't even know whether his network is 192.168.0 or 192.168.1 or something else.
• 2756[17:10:10] <stree> he needs to be a check on gnucash mailing list here and yes i do when you put the phone
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• 2760[17:10:33] <greycat> stree: are you a markov chain bot?
• 2761[17:10:38] <stree> im thinking markov
• 2762[17:10:48] <BluesKaj> that's all that's wrong there from my view...been using static IP without NM for yrs
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• 2769[17:13:40] <BluesKaj> guess some users should just stick with NM :-)
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• 2772[17:14:05] <debianuser5003> Do exists in debian an utility to grep with perl regular expression like PHP ?
• 2773[17:14:33] <mdim> Hi everyone!
• 2774[17:14:34] <mdim> How to get an LXC container with a network IP in Debian 9 up and running?
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• 2780[17:15:43] <greycat> debianuser5003: you probably want grep -P
• 2781[17:15:52] <stree> can be exact command: grep greycat?
• 2782[17:15:59] <debianuser5003> greycat: i tried it but works weird
• 2783[17:16:04] <greycat> stree: please stop, or you will be silenced.
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• 2786[17:16:10] <stree> so too young can be silenced
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• 2789[17:16:43] <Zitter> hi, any hint on how to solve this:"Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use" ?
• 2790[17:16:51] <marko> I tried with downloading a ubuntu 16.04 via LXC's -t download option, but that didn't get me a working container that has a network connection. I also read replaced-url
• 2791[17:17:01] <Zitter> Error GPG, signature non verified
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• 2798[17:19:20] <Zitter> ok, solved with --allow-unauthtenticated
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• 2822[17:29:49] <guavas> hello everyone. I just installed debian on a ARMEL device, and I'm doing a basic setup with ssh. Trying to. When I try to install something I get this error: replaced-url
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• 2826[17:30:42] <guavas> Tried already install -f, autoclean, autoremove... same error. Update works fine
• 2827[17:31:35] <petn-randall> Zitter: That is very likely not how you want to install it. You want to fix the authentication error, instead.
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• 2831[17:32:31] <Zitter> petn-randall, yes I want to fix but dunno how. google didn't help
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• 2833[17:32:40] <petn-randall> Zitter: Otherwise anyone with malicious intents between you and the repo can push packages onto your system and gain root privileges.
• 2834[17:32:50] <petn-randall> Zitter: Let's start with the actual errors:
• 2835[17:32:52] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2836[17:32:52] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2840[17:33:46] <celyr> !localized errors
• 2841[17:33:47] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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• 2880[17:50:07] <tharkun> Aloha, my laptops page-up key is busted and there is no keyboard replacement. How can I send the functionality to another key like shift page-down ?
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• 2882[17:50:16] <fellipe> hi all. I have a Debian Jessie 8.9 Web server VPS at contabo.com. I am having an issue recently, which is the lost network access to the host in a random times. The contabo supports says there was no issue over there. I checked the logs , but no clues. But when I connected to the virtual console, I saw the message "a start job is running for /etc/rc.local compatibility/ no limit" counting seconds forever while the host was already up. In ps command I sa
• 2883[17:50:22] <tharkun> A google search term would also make me a happy man :)
• 2884[17:50:23] <greycat> tharkun: if you're in X, xmodmap
• 2885[17:50:32] <tharkun> greycat: and tty?
• 2886[17:50:41] <greycat> ... seriously?
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• 2890[17:50:48] <kruug> Testing or Sid for a daily laptop?
• 2891[17:51:09] <greycat> kruug: no.
• 2892[17:51:13] <tharkun> greycat: yes X are sometimes needed offline to really push the laptops limits.
• 2893[17:51:30] <kruug> greycat: no? I can't ask which one I should use?
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• 2895[17:51:32] <tharkun> I abuse this laptop from time to time
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• 2897[17:51:59] <greycat> kruug: You asked it in a way that I was able to interpret as a yes-or-no question, and the answer to "Should I use testing or sid on my laptop" is "no".
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• 2900[17:52:22] <kruug> greycat: Ah, so your answer is more like "No, don't use Debian". Got it.
• 2901[17:52:28] <greycat> No, use stable.
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• 2904[17:53:13] <kruug> Eh, stable has too old of packages for me. I'm currently using testing, but it sucks either being stuck on Firefox 4 or having to manually update it every time.
• 2905[17:53:26] <tharkun> kruug: Stable with little of testing applications and if you really need the latest greatest functionality of an app get it from Sid.
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• 2907[17:53:39] <greycat> stable has firefox-esr 52
• 2908[17:53:45] <petn-randall> kruug: You can use stable with backports, that works most of the time.
• 2909[17:54:16] <greycat> When the next firefox ESR series is released, stable will have that.
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• 2911[17:54:24] <tharkun> kruug: As petn-randall mentioned that works but you need to see your real workflow your laptop is a tool to get the job done.
• 2912[17:54:25] <petn-randall> kruug: testing/sid are *not* rolling releases, and as such receive little testing and don't get security updates in a timely manner. They're only useful for testing software going into the upcoming release.
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• 2991[18:21:39] <playboy> whois gtt
• 2992[18:22:11] <playboy> i am sorry, i am a new guy and i am testing the command, thx
• 2993[18:22:28] <fellipe> what is the difference between up and post-up in interfaces file?
• 2994[18:22:55] <nkuttler> fellipe: see man 5 interfaces
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• 3003[18:26:48] <petn-randall> playboy: /whois playboy
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• 3008[18:27:27] <donatas> Anyone, Is laptop-mode-tools still relevant on debian stretch ?
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• 3014[18:29:20] <mariorty> hello all. what's the best way to disable gnome-keyring-daemon under stretch?
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• 3016[18:29:51] <nkuttler> mariorty: uninstall it?
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• 3018[18:30:47] <Ke> donatas: might be, depending on your hw, laptop-mode-tools manages quite some different things
• 3019[18:31:04] <Ke> donatas: I let go of it some time ago
• 3020[18:31:10] <mariorty> nkuttler: nope. it's an integral part of gnome.
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• 3024[18:31:57] <playboy> 0.0 i am using xfce4
• 3025[18:32:53] <donatas> Ke: I use hp probook i3 with SSD. Do you think it should be installed? Or are there any other must have tools that could potentially increase battery life?
• 3026[18:32:57] <petn-randall> playboy: Do you have a Debian support question?
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• 3028[18:33:36] <Ke> donatas: haven't tuned for a while, but it might be worth it to check with powertop
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• 3034[18:35:16] <playboy> petn-randall: sorry, no question no ask, i understanding now, i love to watching you guys talk
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• 3040[18:36:09] <petn-randall> playboy: Are you new to Debian? Or IRC? Or Kali/Parrot?
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• 3046[18:38:49] <playboy> petn-randall: i am used debian for one year already...now i just looking for the new job for app server...i feel bored so login in irc ,have some fun
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• 3051[18:41:33] <donatas> thanks ke
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• 3061[18:43:30] <mariorty> is /etc/init/ a systemd thing?
• 3062[18:43:43] <greycat> Nope. That's upstart.
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• 3068[18:47:24] <jmcnaught> mariorty: are you trying to prevent gnome-keyring from starting when you log in? Look in /etc/xdg/autostart/
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• 3075[18:54:04] <mariorty> jmcnaught: yes i am. i've copied /etc/xdg/gnome-keyring-* to ~/.config/autostart/ and appended "Hidden=true" to all three, but it still starts.
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• 3079[18:55:22] <mariorty> jmcnaught: sorry that should be /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-*
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• 3082[18:56:08] <jmcnaught> mariorty: /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-*.desktop are conffiles, so if you delete them the package manager will not replace them unless specifically instructed to. But *why* do you you not want gnome-keyring to start? I've never seen it get in the way of other things
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• 3088[18:58:35] <mariorty> where are the docs on gnome and autostart?
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• 3093[18:59:40] <mariorty> greycat: so what's it doing in stretch?
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• 3096[19:00:37] <mariorty> greycat: actually it's in jessie too. never noticed it before.
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• 3103[19:03:16] <jmcnaught> mariorty: replaced-url
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• 3109[19:04:25] <sonOfRa> jmcnaught: the most common reason I can imagine is the ssh-part of the keyring still not supporting ed25519 openssh keys
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• 3111[19:06:11] <jmcnaught> so just use ssh-add?
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• 3114[19:07:00] <sonOfRa> jmcnaught: yes, but if the gnome-keyring ssh-agent is running, that will fail
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• 3118[19:08:54] <jmcnaught> i see
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• 3130[19:11:09] <Cacoon> Hey, quick question: when going to replaced-url
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• 3134[19:11:58] <Cacoon> Where should I search for that ISO?
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• 3137[19:12:35] <Cacoon> What's the difference between "Tiny CDs" and the "Small CDs or USB sticks" that's above
• 3138[19:12:50] <mariorty> jmcnaught: i renamed the files to '.dektop-disabled' and it still starts
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• 3141[19:13:04] <mariorty> jmcnaught: '.desktop-disabled'
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• 3173[19:28:03] <jmcnaught> mariorty: what happens if you just move the files elsewhere? they're safe to delete, you can tell dpkg to reinstall conffiles
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• 3177[19:28:39] <mariorty> jmcnaught: it still starts.
• 3178[19:28:55] <mariorty> jmcnaught: thanks for the link to the docs by the way
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• 3181[19:29:22] <mariorty> jmcnaught: i will describe my use case once i've got to the bottom of it. gotta run now.
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• 3186[19:32:42] <mxh-> Hi. Just wondering if there is a reason not to put all configuration in .bash_profile? since i just have it to source .bashrc anyways
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• 3188[19:33:11] <greycat> Non-login shells (like X terminal emulators) only read .bashrc
• 3189[19:33:24] <greycat> You put your environment stuff in .bash_profile and your per-shell stuff in .bashrc
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• 3191[19:34:01] <mxh-> greycat: oh, won't do that then. thanks a lot :)
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• 3204[19:42:38] <dionysus69> hey folks
• 3205[19:42:41] <dionysus69> how's life?
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• 3230[19:51:33] <armin> hi and greetings from sha2017!
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• 3234[19:52:04] <armin> the buffer that i can "sync" with the sync command - is there a way to determine how full that buffer is? e.g. how long a sync command execution will take?
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• 3236[19:52:16] <thecoffemaker> dionysus69: long and hard ... as mine
• 3237[19:52:32] <thecoffemaker> dionysus69: kek
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• 3239[19:52:36] <dionysus69> lol
• 3240[19:52:43] <dionysus69> horde!
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• 3243[19:53:18] <thecoffemaker> keking 4 da horde!
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• 3252[19:55:08] <greycat> armin: it would be something internal to the Linux kernel, definitely not mentioned in any of the man pages...
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• 3255[19:56:12] <thecoffemaker> armin: check the syslog while synchronizing
• 3256[19:56:45] <greycat> thecoffemaker: I get nothing in /var/log/syslog when running sync
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• 3264[19:58:25] <armin> greycat, thecoffemaker: ty!
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• 3270[19:59:36] <thecoffemaker> greycat is you or armin who has the sync issue?
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• 3273[19:59:50] <greycat> armin asked the question
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• 3280[20:01:07] <thecoffemaker> if he/she has an issue while synchronizing there must be something on the logs
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• 3282[20:01:33] <greycat> Why don't you try actually reading the question? /lastlog armin
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• 3284[20:03:04] <DammitJim> is there such a thing as redundancy for a file server?
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• 3289[20:06:30] <thecoffemaker> greycat ... just trying to help
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• 3293[20:08:24] <thecoffemaker> DammitJim: mmm whats your goal? ... having data redundancy or service redundancy
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• 3297[20:09:25] <greycat> If you mean redundancy of the entire computer, with the disks being inside the computer (not iSCSI or the like), then maybe something involving rsync from cron to keep the standby up to date, plus some kind of failover.
• 3298[20:09:59] <DammitJim> maybe the word is highly available?
• 3299[20:10:09] <greycat> Yeah, "high availability"
• 3300[20:10:14] <greycat> is one of the buzzwords.
• 3301[20:10:18] <DammitJim> so, if I need to do maintenance on one of the servers and I have to take it offline
• 3302[20:10:24] <DammitJim> or if for some reason that VM croaks
• 3303[20:10:29] <DammitJim> (that never happens)
• 3304[20:10:49] <greycat> If you're talking about failover for *scheduled* downtime, that's a different animal.
• 3305[20:11:15] <DammitJim> oh really?
• 3306[20:11:30] <DammitJim> I was reading about DRBD
• 3307[20:11:47] <greycat> Are you still talking about internal disks, not any kind of iSCSI or other network-based storage that can be shared among multiple servers?
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• 3311[20:12:12] <DammitJim> not internal disks, no
• 3312[20:12:28] <DammitJim> maybe I'm missing your question greycat
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• 3320[20:15:21] <debianuser5003> What kind of useful packages could i download for administer my debian NAS ?
• 3321[20:15:29] <debiie> i can't install packages, because a package make trouble.
• 3322[20:15:30] <debiie> replaced-url
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• 3324[20:16:08] <debianuser5003> Can i find a package popularity list ? maybe there's some package that i forgot to install and then it could be useful..
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• 3326[20:16:10] <nvz> debianuser5003: what kind of administration are you looking to do? ssh is the best tool around for both security and breadth of what you can do
• 3327[20:16:10] <debiie> dnsproxy in pastebin are results of service and journalctl -xn
• 3328[20:16:19] <nvz> !popcon
• 3329[20:16:19] <dpkg> well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
• 3330[20:16:35] <teraflops> debianuser5003: openssh^
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• 3333[20:17:43] <nvz> debianuser5003: if you're new to debian and have some time it never hurts to just sit down and go through aptitude and look over all the packages and read the descriptions and see whats out there
• 3334[20:17:49] <greycat> DammitJim: if the disks are "network attached" (iSCSI or similar) then there should be some way to make the backup server attach to the iSCSI devices and take over the services when the primary is taken down.
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• 3338[20:18:19] <Hyp3ri0n> hello
• 3339[20:18:47] <debianuser5003> nvz: i installed screen fail2ban ipset iptables-persistent unzip rsync lm-sensors htop sysstat hddtemp unattended-upgrades fuse sshfs curlftpfs netcat-openbsd cifs-utils nfs-common ntfs-3g samba exfat-fuse exfat-utils spl-dkms zfs-dkms hfsplus hfsutils hfsprogs aria2 jigdo-lite
• 3340[20:19:14] <debianuser5003> maybe i'm missing some filesystem package useful for mount some hard drives or kinda
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• 3345[20:19:52] <debianuser5003> maybe an ftp client and server
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• 3347[20:19:57] <Hyp3ri0n> while doing apt-get update, the system cant resolve httpredir.debian.org.... its not a prioblem with the dhcp bcoz i did a clean install
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• 3349[20:20:17] <greycat> Hyp3ri0n: can you ping replaced-url
• 3350[20:20:26] <Hyp3ri0n> yes
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• 3356[20:20:53] <Hyp3ri0n> i can even ping 151.101.8.204
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• 3358[20:21:11] <greycat> what do you get for "host httpredir.debian.org"? (Don't paste the whole thing; just let us know if it's an error, or not.)
• 3359[20:21:18] <Hyp3ri0n> thts what tht link resolves into
• 3360[20:21:30] <nvz> debianuser5003: the kernel should have support for most filesystems you'll run into built in. you may want something like a torrent daemon, transmission has both gtk and curses remote clients, you may also consider including a browser like links2, w3m, elinks, or the like as well as openssh-server and if you are going to access this outside your network consider installing openvpn or tunneling over ssh
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• 3362[20:22:16] <nvz> debianuser5003: perhaps even a filemanager like lfm, mc, etc
• 3363[20:22:21] <debianuser5003> nvz: I see thanks, and what about ftp servers ? what you would chose ? proftpd, vsftpd ?
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• 3366[20:22:49] <Hyp3ri0n> wait, i hav an incorrect sources.list entry
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• 3368[20:22:58] <Hyp3ri0n> let me rectify
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• 3371[20:23:21] <nvz> debianuser5003: depends on what you would use it for, ftp usually isnt a good idea if you can avoid it. I use tftp most often because I usually only use it for PXE booting and you need tftp for that
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• 3377[20:24:46] <debianuser5003> nvz: allow some friends to upload files over my nas
• 3378[20:25:02] <andre144k> hi - i cant install flashplugin-nonfree - anyone have an idea? replaced-url
• 3379[20:25:07] <greycat> Tell your friends to use sftp.
• 3380[20:25:19] <nvz> debianuser5003: it'd be best if you setup a vpn with openvpn or used sftp which is over ssh
• 3381[20:25:33] <debianuser5003> not ftps ?
• 3382[20:25:41] <greycat> dafuck is that
• 3383[20:25:42] <greycat> no
• 3384[20:26:18] <greycat> sounds like some horrible frankenstein "protocol" invented in the early 1990s to try to tunnel ftp over ssl or something
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• 3387[20:27:04] <debianuser5003> lol
• 3388[20:27:38] <teraflops> your friends can run sftp clients on their windows machines (if that's the case)
• 3389[20:28:00] <Hyp3ri0n> failed to fetch http:httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists..... 404 Not Found [IP 130.89.148.12]
• 3390[20:28:15] <Hyp3ri0n> greycat^
• 3391[20:28:21] <greycat> should be replaced-url
• 3392[20:28:27] <nvz> debianuser5003: it sounds to me like you're not all that familiar with ssh, it basically replaces telnet, ftp, vpn, all that bundled into one secure protocol. It was designed to be a secure shell login, but has been extended to support other things and is capable of port forwarding (tunneling) over its encrypted connection so virtually anything can work within it even remote desktop / vnc
• 3393[20:28:34] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
• 3394[20:28:34] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 3395[20:28:51] <teraflops> I better use webdav or plain https instead of ftp
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• 3398[20:29:34] <debianuser5003> I see it's ok so i will stay on sftp, i alredy use it
• 3399[20:29:36] <nvz> debianuser5003: the default config should be looked at before you get it up and running, it has rootlogins, pam, and password logins enabled, i usually disable all that which requires use of keys only to login
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• 3403[20:32:38] <nvz> you can also use vnc server to have desktop logins, it doesn't actually require a fully functional X server it provides a light xserver the package in stretch is tigervnc-standalone-server though you'd also want to tunnel that over ssh for security
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• 3408[20:34:37] <debianuser5003> nvz: i'm fully ok with ssh only, no need vnc
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• 3411[20:36:53] <nvz> debianuser5003: you may also want a media server like rygen or minidlna that can serve up your media files on your NAS
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• 3415[20:37:31] <nvz> I recently set that up on my father's computer so he could access his files from his amazon firetv stick
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• 3422[20:39:13] <debianuser5003> nvz: oh thanks but it's a nas that i use for store my files only
• 3423[20:39:23] <debianuser5003> nvz: a dedicated backup only machine
• 3424[20:39:39] <teraflops> ,v djmount
• 3425[20:39:40] <judd> Package: djmount on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.71-5+b1; jessie: 0.71-7; buster: 0.71-7.1; sid: 0.71-7.1; stretch: 0.71-7.1
• 3426[20:39:49] <teraflops> amazing application
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• 3428[20:40:11] <debianuser5003> teraflops: what it does ?
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• 3430[20:40:48] <nvz> it seems to be a media server client that automounts available media servers
• 3431[20:40:58] <teraflops> it mounts upnp audio/video using fuse
• 3432[20:41:20] <teraflops> it even generates m3u files
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• 3434[20:41:53] <nvz> I don't see the point in it unless you're using something like cplay or such that doesn't support that stuff. An application that supports dlna doesn't need something like that
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• 3440[20:42:33] <teraflops> some people prefer using terminal
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• 3443[20:42:58] <nvz> yes when I used to dj I used cplay, kept application glitches to a minimum
• 3444[20:43:26] <nvz> its too easy to accidently click something with a mouse or to have an x crash, cplay kept it simple
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• 3449[20:44:54] <debianuser5003> mmh.. where i can find a list of all fuse cool extension made ?
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• 3455[20:45:53] <debianuser5003> like exfat-fuse, sshfs, curlftpfs.. ?
• 3456[20:46:07] <nvz> debianuser5003: aptitude search "~Dlibfuse2"
• 3457[20:46:12] <debianuser5003> should i use a command maybe to get all the packages that have "fuse" with dependency ?
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• 3459[20:46:17] <VeronicaX11> Could anybody help me figure out why a user can login to the virtual terminal but not through the GUI login? I've never seen this one before.
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• 3463[20:47:06] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: are you sure your locales/keyboard are right?
• 3464[20:47:12] <nvz> debianuser5003: aptitude's search allows you to easily do these things, ~D for depends, ~G for tags, etc.
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• 3466[20:47:40] <debianuser5003> nvz: thanks man!
• 3467[20:47:57] <debianuser5003> nvz: lol i found btfs.. mount bittorrent files as filesystem.. i wonder how it works..
• 3468[20:48:17] <teraflops> debianuser5003: it works pretty well, peerflix has more features though
• 3469[20:48:19] <mr__tea> debianuser5003: heh
• 3470[20:48:36] <teraflops> but peerflix is nodejs…
• 3471[20:48:51] <VeronicaX11> teraflops: yes? For example, I can ctrl+alt+F1 for a virtual terminal and login there fine. If I ctrl+alt+F7 back to the lightdm login screen I type in the correct credentials and get a screen flash back to where i started.
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• 3474[20:50:54] <nvz> debianuser5003: you can combine search terms like "~Dlibfuse2~Gadmin::filesystem" or "~Dlibfuse2~Grole::program"
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• 3476[20:50:59] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: I was suggesting it can be the issue, not the first time I see people cannot login because the keyb is set to the wrong lang and they are using weird chars in the password
• 3477[20:51:17] <Hyp3ri0n> greycat still having a problem
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• 3481[20:51:25] <VeronicaX11> teraflops: Oh for sure; always best to start with the simple explanation.
• 3482[20:51:27] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: then take a look at journalctl
• 3483[20:51:37] <teraflops> also xorg log
• 3484[20:51:47] <nvz> VeronicaX11: sounds like your x session is terminating immediately, most common cause is failure to access the homedir
• 3485[20:51:58] <Hyp3ri0n> well
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• 3489[20:52:19] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: does plain startx work?
• 3490[20:52:29] <VeronicaX11> nvz: where would the log be where I can verify that? seems likely
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• 3494[20:52:52] <Hyp3ri0n> atleast part of the repos are getting fetched in apt-get update
• 3495[20:53:02] <nvz> VeronicaX11: I'd do as teraflops suggests and login as user on the console.. if that works, I'd try starting X manually with startx or xinit and see what happens
• 3496[20:53:12] <Hyp3ri0n> other parts are not getting downloaded
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• 3498[20:53:52] <nvz> VeronicaX11: if that works then I'd take it a step further and start the desktop session from the xterm that comes up i.e. typing gnome-session or xfce4-session or such at some point you'll hit a failure and have output on a terminal
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• 3500[20:54:30] <debianuser5003> Oh another question
• 3501[20:54:41] <debianuser5003> I made my software raid into debian in this way
• 3502[20:54:54] <debianuser5003> Used the installer.. created first "use disk for raid"
• 3503[20:55:04] <debianuser5003> Then i created my 2 raid 1
• 3504[20:55:07] <nvz> try not use enter in place of punctuation
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• 3506[20:55:23] <nvz> then people will break up what you're saying like I'm doing and it'll be hard to follow
• 3507[20:55:23] <Hyp3ri0n> is this line correct: deb replaced-url
• 3508[20:55:37] <debianuser5003> and at the end the md0 and md1 were formatted in ext4
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• 3512[20:56:17] <debianuser5003> what i wonder is.. is right to use the whole sda sdb drives or i should have done it as sda1 sdb1 ?
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• 3514[20:56:30] <nvz> Hyp3ri0n: no, I think you're confusing two lines
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• 3516[20:56:39] <Hyp3ri0n> nvz where?
• 3517[20:56:50] <Hyp3ri0n> is it wrong
• 3518[20:56:59] <teraflops> yes it is
• 3519[20:57:00] <nvz> Hyp3ri0n: deb replaced-url
• 3520[20:57:06] <teraflops> Hyp3ri0n: there's a factoid
• 3521[20:57:14] <Hyp3ri0n> yes i read tht
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• 3523[20:57:29] <Hyp3ri0n> ok
• 3524[20:57:32] <Hyp3ri0n> i see
• 3525[20:57:36] <nvz> Hyp3ri0n: idk that it matters but you don't use a trailing slash and typically the updates line, the updates comes first
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• 3528[20:58:03] <nvz> Hyp3ri0n: and you don't put "stretch" just "stretch-updates"
• 3529[20:58:32] <nvz> Hyp3ri0n: thats why I say you're confusing two lines.. you have one for stretch and one for stretch-updates, not all on the same line
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• 3534[20:59:56] <nvz> debianuser5003: you got me confused. sounds to me like you don't actually have a raid setup
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• 3536[21:00:14] <nvz> debianuser5003: to do raid, the two or more volumes become one device and one filesystem
• 3537[21:00:35] <nvz> debianuser5003: you talk about making two raid devices and making two filesystems, thats not a raid
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• 3540[21:01:50] <`Kevin> debianuser5003: use whole device
• 3541[21:01:52] <debianuser5003> nvz: sorry let me rewrite the thing
• 3542[21:01:53] <nvz> debianuser5003: for example sda and sdb (raid 0 or 1) would become md0 and you'd make one filesystem on md0
• 3543[21:02:08] <debianuser5003> nvz: i read that is possible both to raid whole devices or just partitions
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• 3545[21:02:20] <Hyp3ri0n> nvz so just stretch-updates?
• 3546[21:02:36] <nvz> debianuser5003: don't use enter for punctuation if you're going to explain again. put your questions all on one line
• 3547[21:02:45] <greycat> How hard is it to paste the three lines from the factoid into your file?
• 3548[21:02:52] <Hyp3ri0n> ok
• 3549[21:02:55] <debianuser5003> nvz: on a tutorial i read that was better to raid partitions instead whole drives because even 2 x 1 tb drives can have small changes in size and if you have to replace a drive you can get throubles
• 3550[21:02:59] <Hyp3ri0n> sorry
• 3551[21:03:15] <`Kevin> debianuser5003: you should be using the same model drives
• 3552[21:03:16] <debianuser5003> nvz: still on that tutorial suggested to make a partition up to 98% of the drive size to play safe
• 3553[21:03:22] <Hyp3ri0n> well its working now :D
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• 3555[21:03:31] <debianuser5003> nvz: sorry ok i will write the next in one line
• 3556[21:03:40] <`Kevin> debianuser5003: if you plan on not using same model drives you can do partions and set blocks ranges but that seems odd to me
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• 3558[21:04:03] <nvz> Hyp3ri0n: replaced-url
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• 3560[21:04:16] <debianuser5003> `Kevin: to me too however this is what was written inside a tutorial
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• 3562[21:04:58] <nvz> Hyp3ri0n: thats my sources.list, complete stretch official debian list with all source/binary repos
• 3563[21:05:32] <Hyp3ri0n> thnx
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• 3565[21:05:43] <Hyp3ri0n> also one more thing
• 3566[21:05:55] <Hyp3ri0n> ,v gnome
• 3567[21:05:56] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; buster: 1:3.22+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; sid: 1:3.22+3
• 3568[21:06:06] <`Kevin> debianuser5003: many tutorials are invalid in some form, many things should be taken with a grain of salt as they do not cover all possibilities. use your judgement for your use-case regarding if you plan on using different drive models or not etc
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• 3570[21:06:10] <nvz> debianuser5003: the volumes need to be identical for raid, if you use whole disk they must be the exact same model with the exact same geometry, partitions is safer because you can just make two partitions the same size regardless of the disks uses
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• 3572[21:06:30] <Hyp3ri0n> is tht the package name for gnome desktop?
• 3573[21:06:54] <greycat> One of the advantages of mixing models (or at least staggering purchases) is to avoid having multiple disks from the same batch fail at the same time.
• 3574[21:06:55] <debianuser5003> `Kevin, nvz i see.. however i used the debian installer partitioner.. it seems that i did 2 partitions instead whole drives.. it's ok
• 3575[21:06:57] <nvz> debianuser5003: and in a raid there is one device and one filesystem. If you have two devices and two filesystems its not a raid
• 3576[21:07:04] <sat> how do i make my bash script recognized as a 'x-replaced-url
• 3577[21:07:09] <`Kevin> greycat: nice point :)
• 3578[21:07:10] <greycat> !install gnome
• 3579[21:07:10] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
• 3580[21:07:52] <nvz> greycat: was that a hard learned lesson or just practical application of common sense?
• 3581[21:08:20] <Hyp3ri0n> thnx
• 3582[21:08:33] <Hyp3ri0n> sorry for the pestering
• 3583[21:08:33] <apollo13> nvz: both :þ
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• 3585[21:09:50] <debianuser5003> `Kevin, nvz i can't screenshot the whole config but it seems that the debian installer made me create 2 x "Linux RAID Partition", and on top of it was made the actual raid 1
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• 3587[21:11:29] <nvz> unless something has changed since last I did it, you do not do raid with two seperate filesystems. Though I'm typically doing raid 5
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• 3589[21:12:13] <sat> someone at ##linux said to check '/etc/mailcap' , i'm doing that now
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• 3591[21:12:46] <nvz> I've done both lvm and raid in the installer before and when you create the raid/lvm volumes they then show up as a single volume you don't have two devices and two filesystems
• 3592[21:13:00] <greycat> I don't think update-alternatives uses that file. Could be wrong.
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• 3595[21:13:45] <random_numbers> debconf registrations are closed?
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• 3601[21:16:19] <debianuser5003> Oh also during the installation i read many times the package survey, is possible read this package popularity somewhere? on a website ?
• 3602[21:16:33] <greycat> !popcon
• 3603[21:16:34] <dpkg> [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
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• 3615[21:20:23] <debianuser5003> greycat: ty
• 3616[21:22:04] <random_numbers> Guess there's no point going to Canada for the week if we can't register anyway...
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• 3625[21:23:55] <Hyp3ri0n> thnx to all the debian folks here helping us all....love n gracias <3
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• 3636[21:28:17] <debianuser5003> Regarding the software raid.. how i can know if my disk is going KO ? I have to install the smartd daemon and then force a check manually on mdadm ?
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• 3642[21:30:20] <VeronicaX11> teraflops&nvz: I'm just going to reinstall debian from scratch and see what happens.
• 3643[21:30:33] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: ehh :S
• 3644[21:30:42] <jelly> debianuser5003, you need to have a local MTA installed, then mdadm will be able to mail root (or you) if there's an issue with a configured raid array
• 3645[21:30:49] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: does startx work?
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• 3647[21:31:12] <jelly> debianuser5003, there are also monthly raid aray checks
• 3648[21:31:22] <VeronicaX11> teraflops: yeah, i know :( startx would hang and never complete. Waited about 5 minutes for it.
• 3649[21:31:40] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: which GPU are you using?
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• 3652[21:32:00] <jelly> debianuser5003, smartmontools have their own set of checks, which may, if you're lucky, point to issues before a disk dies.
• 3653[21:32:02] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: mind sharing your xorg log, maybe we can help you?
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• 3655[21:32:07] <jelly> but don't count on that
• 3656[21:32:22] <debianuser5003> jelly: i see however, what i wonder is.. mdadm daemon already checks for sanity continuously right ?
• 3657[21:32:36] <VeronicaX11> teraflops: Nvidia. you would think it would require special drivers, but this isn't the case. I built 2 other identical systems that didn't require such setup
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• 3659[21:33:16] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: idk, that's why the more info you provide the more help you can receive
• 3660[21:33:18] <jelly> debianuser5003, no, no it does not.
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• 3662[21:34:47] <jelly> debianuser5003, if it detects unrecoverable errors when something tries to read or write, the kernel will complain and with enough errors a member disk may be marked as failed, but that will happen only if something actually tries to read or write of exactly the bad place
• 3663[21:35:05] <debianuser5003> jelly: oh i see
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• 3666[21:35:30] <jelly> otherwise, there's a monthly cron job that does verification of the whole array.
• 3667[21:36:09] <jelly> if the array is idle, you may not even notice a disk is bad before that job runs and detects unreadable bits
• 3668[21:36:40] <debianuser5003> jelly: oh ok i see, and regarding the automatic mirroring i see that mdadm does it automatically in background right ?
• 3669[21:36:58] <debianuser5003> talking about a raid1
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• 3671[21:38:39] <Somelauw> I tried adding backports, but as a result apt-get dist-upgrade tries to install about 39 new packages that it wouldn't install otherwise. See replaced-url
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• 3676[21:40:21] <jelly> debianuser5003, yes, once you create a raid1 synchronization of data is done in background
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• 3679[21:40:46] <ksk> Somelauw: you pasted "apt-cache policy $package" twice - you should do once without any package
• 3680[21:41:11] <jelly> create, or "assemble" (start, really) a previously created raid1 (at boot)
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• 3682[21:41:36] <Somelauw> ksk: you are right, Is this information needed, because it's very long?
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• 3685[21:41:49] <badargo> can i chmod a directory too? i thought chmod ugoa + rwx file was the only use
• 3686[21:42:00] <badargo> ops
• 3687[21:42:00] <greycat> yes, directories have permissions
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• 3690[21:42:42] <greycat> Be sure you understand: write permission on a directory means you're allowed to create new files, delete existing files, or rename existing files.
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• 3695[21:43:16] <VeronicaX11> teraflops: where can i find the xorg log? sorry for newb question
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• 3697[21:43:25] <greycat> Read permission on a directory means you are allowed to get a list of of the file names. And execute permission on a directory means you're allowed to use/open the files, or cd into it.
• 3698[21:43:32] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: you can use a tool like pastebinit or termbin.com to output directly to a paste site
• 3699[21:43:34] <badargo> greycat: and i use chmod to give special permissions too? like sticky bit, suid and sgid?
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• 3703[21:44:06] <jelly> greycat, hmm, can you get a list of entries without +x ?
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• 3705[21:44:12] <greycat> sticky bit on a directory means you cannot rename/delete other users' files. setgid bit means newly created files inherit the directory's group. setuid bit does nothing.
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• 3707[21:44:20] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: but yes, please show "apt-cache policy", stretch-backports should have a lower priority so that they do not get upgraded to automatically
• 3708[21:44:35] <greycat> jelly: names only. You can't stat them.
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• 3711[21:44:57] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: i've added it as a comment
• 3712[21:45:23] <VeronicaX11> teraflops: where would i find the xorg logs?
• 3713[21:45:24] <Somelauw> except i am getting an error page
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• 3715[21:45:29] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: it's not very easy to read that…
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• 3717[21:45:57] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: for startx?
• 3718[21:46:11] <teraflops> are you on stretch? if yes ~/.local/share/xorg/
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• 3720[21:47:06] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: i'll try to make it more readable.
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• 3727[21:49:02] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: just make a new paste with "apt-cache policy | nc termbin.com 9999". I just added stretch-backports to a stretch system and it works as expected (it doesn't try to upgrade packages to the version from backports)
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• 3729[21:49:24] <badargo> greycat: i cant make sense of this ---> suid and sgid will it will run with the user and group
• 3730[21:49:27] <badargo> permissions on the file instead of with those of the user issuing the command, thus giving access to
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• 3732[21:49:43] <badargo> system resources.
• 3733[21:49:43] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: Here is a new paste replaced-url
• 3734[21:49:52] <greycat> badargo: What are you trying to do?
• 3735[21:50:09] <badargo> greycat: understand suid and sgid special modes
• 3736[21:50:17] <greycat> You should definitely NOT go around adding setuid or setgid bits on random files.
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• 3739[21:50:45] <greycat> What part don't you understand? /bin/su is setuid. When you run it, it runs as root.
• 3740[21:51:09] <greycat> That's how you are able to obtain root privileges.
• 3741[21:52:28] <badargo> so when i set suid on a directory file i can only run them if im the user set right? and the same goes for group id but with the group instead right?
• 3742[21:52:33] <VeronicaX11> teraflops: yes, i'm on stretch. In .local/share there is an xfce4 directory but not no xorg
• 3743[21:52:38] <greycat> setuid ON A DIRECTORY has no effect at all
• 3744[21:52:57] <greycat> setuid ON A PROGRAM FILE makes the program run as the owner instead of as you
• 3745[21:53:11] <greycat> that's why /bin/su runs as root even when susie runs it
• 3746[21:53:18] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: the stretch-backports repos are priority 100 like they should be. I see you have pinned nautilus, have you made any other changes in /etc/apt?
• 3747[21:53:24] <badargo> so its like assigning an owner with chown?
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• 3749[21:53:36] <greycat> No. It's like turning the program into GOD.
• 3750[21:53:37] <sdrausty> Hello. How many packages are there?
• 3751[21:53:51] <apollo13> in the universe?
• 3752[21:53:57] <badargo> i like the sound of that :P
• 3753[21:54:01] <greycat> sdrausty: there is an estimate on replaced-url
• 3754[21:54:10] <sdrausty> apollo13: in debian
• 3755[21:54:19] <apollo13> sdrausty: considering __which__ components?
• 3756[21:54:22] <sdrausty> thx greycat
• 3757[21:54:25] <badargo> so suid is godmaker and kill -9 is the exorcist huh :P
• 3758[21:54:30] <sdrausty> all
• 3759[21:54:35] <greycat> kill -9 breaks your computer. Never use it.
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• 3761[21:54:55] <badargo> greycat: then how u kill a rebel process?
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• 3764[21:55:12] <greycat> Just "kill". If that doesn't work, the program is bugged, and you will probably have to reboot anyway.
• 3765[21:55:17] <sdrausty> apollo13: Considering * components.
• 3766[21:55:39] <badargo> greycat: is there a bad thing that could happen with kill -9 ?
• 3767[21:55:42] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: well, my /etc/apt looks like this replaced-url
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• 3770[21:55:48] <apollo13> well my system knows about 72k packages
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• 3773[21:55:53] <greycat> Yes. It prevents the program from cleaning up after itself.
• 3774[21:56:00] <sdrausty> cool
• 3775[21:56:08] <greycat> It can leave files corrupted, sockets lying around, etc.
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• 3778[21:56:30] <badargo> greycat: even after reboot?
• 3779[21:56:52] <badargo> is that what they call a zombie maybe?
• 3780[21:57:09] <greycat> !zombie
• 3781[21:57:09] <dpkg> A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
• 3782[21:57:23] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: is you run startx as normal user xorg logs must be at ~/.local/share/xorg/ notice ~ means your user's home folder
• 3783[21:57:32] <teraflops> s/is/f
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• 3785[21:58:29] <teraflops> VeronicaX11: look at /var/log if there are no logs at all at ~/
• 3786[21:58:37] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: that doesn't show me if any of those files have been altered. You're using quite a few third-party repositories, that shouldn't cause stretch-backports packages to be the candidate, but you could try temporarily removing those and see if the problem still happens
• 3787[21:58:40] <badargo> ohh so first they send info to the parent before closing up and if the parent is busy and dont give its blessing the process is orphaned?
• 3788[21:58:44] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: My /etc/apt/preferences looks like this replaced-url
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• 3792[22:00:32] <badargo> greycat: so a zombie keeps eating memory but dont work.. brainless ?
• 3793[22:00:52] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: Is prefixing the filenames with . enough to disable them?
• 3794[22:00:56] <greycat> No. It doesn't use memory.
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• 3796[22:01:46] <greycat> Other than a few dozen bytes in the kernel for bookkeeping.
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• 3799[22:02:59] <badargo> greycat: and stops working... so when u kill an unresponsive job u mostly killing a zombie?
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• 3802[22:03:17] <greycat> Dear god this never ends, does it. Every time I respond to one question, two more pop up.
• 3803[22:03:28] <badargo> yes its interesting :D
• 3804[22:03:41] <greycat> If you see a zombie, just IGNORE it.
• 3805[22:04:12] <greycat> It'll either go away in a few seconds, or it'll go away when its parent dies, or when you reboot.
• 3806[22:04:23] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: by the way, it would mostly just install libreoffice packages. I don't think installing those would cause much of a problem. Maybe I can live with this.
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• 3808[22:04:47] <badargo> i see, thank u greycat
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• 3810[22:05:24] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: try removing the preferences file (copy it to another location)
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• 3812[22:05:48] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: I tried renaming /etc/apt/sources.list.d to /etc/apt/Xsources.list.d and it didnt make a difference
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• 3814[22:07:14] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: did you run "apt update" after changing your sources? I think the problem is your pinning in preferences. It looks like you may have previously attempted to mix stable, testing, and unstable? That is not recommended.
• 3815[22:07:35] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: i've now moved sources.list.d and /etc/apt/preferences completely out of the way and still the same. I have run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get -s dist-upgrade'
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• 3818[22:09:02] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: oh i see the problem. your version of libreoffice is *already* newer than stretch. You've got yourself a frankendebian
• 3819[22:09:04] <Somelauw> My tree looks like this replaced-url
• 3820[22:09:35] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: yay me? sudo apt-get remove libreoffice?
• 3821[22:09:55] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: your mistake was trying to install packages from testing and unstable. Pinning is a fool's errand, you cannot rely on it to prevent a stable-testing-unstable hybrid
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• 3827[22:11:02] <Somelauw> I recommend the Debian developers not to split sources/list and preferences. Putting it in a single file makes it easier to maintain.
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• 3830[22:11:43] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: it's actually not that fun to fix problems like this. You could try a search like "aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(stable)))'" for packages that are installed, not from
• 3831[22:11:45] <Somelauw> and I still don't understand the problem.
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• 3833[22:11:50] <apollo13> Somelauw: hardly, those things serve completely different purposes
• 3834[22:12:08] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: you're just not supposed to mix stable and testing/unstable. Don't do it. It breaks. replaced-url
• 3835[22:12:29] <greycat> Use backports instead.
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• 3837[22:12:51] <cuddylier> How do I stop Debian renaming interfaces to e.g. rename2, rename3 etc?
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• 3839[22:13:00] <cuddylier> Seems to happen on lots of Supermicro machines I do installs on.
• 3840[22:13:10] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3842[22:13:19] <cuddylier> I know I can edit the kernel parameters to fix it but seems strange it happens to every machine on a fresh install.
• 3843[22:13:40] <Somelauw> I needed testing once to install Firefox release instead of Firefox long-term-release. I tried not to install anything else from it by giving it a higher pin-priority.
• 3844[22:13:54] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: that was a mistake
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• 3848[22:14:46] <Somelauw> There are just too many websites that tell me Firefox LTS is an outdated browser
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• 3850[22:15:02] <jmcnaught> i find that hard to believe
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• 3852[22:15:23] <greycat> Name one.
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• 3854[22:16:01] <jmcnaught> firefox-esr is version 52, firefox-release is version 54…
• 3855[22:17:09] <petn-randall> !sns
• 3856[22:17:09] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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• 3860[22:17:58] <apollo13> greycat: github, it doesn't tell you that stuff doesn't work on -esr it's just broken in a few areas :D
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• 3863[22:18:36] <greycat> Shithub is broken? How shocking.
• 3864[22:18:41] <Somelauw> i don't remember why I needed it. Probably something like web.skype.com
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• 3868[22:20:22] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: that DontBreakDebian wiki pages lists some ways to run software that isn't in stable or backports. Mixing Debian releases is not a good solution.
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• 3874[22:22:30] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 3877[22:25:00] <rapha> yay, finally upgrading to stretch on the router :)
• 3878[22:25:23] * rapha strokes his trusty APU
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• 3881[22:26:42] <petn-randall> rapha: PCEngines APU2?
• 3882[22:27:08] <rapha> petn-randall: yes, indeed, sir!
• 3883[22:27:23] <badargo> if chmod + 7xxx suid guid and stick, if i 0xxx instead what happens?
• 3884[22:27:24] <Somelauw> You may want to update this page (replaced-url
• 3885[22:27:34] <petn-randall> rapha: Got the APU2C4 myself, trusty piece of hardware! :)
• 3886[22:27:53] <badargo> hummm only xxx apply right?
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• 3888[22:28:04] <rapha> petn-randall: that's the one we have, too. Serving a house of around 20 people, 40-60 devices with it :)
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• 3890[22:28:43] <greycat> I still can't understand why people want a browser that changes even *faster* than firefox-esr does.
• 3891[22:28:47] <rapha> petn-randall: and I'm caring for a second one at the bike shop where I work occasionally. Runs full-blown Odoo and NextCloud. Trusty it is!
• 3892[22:28:54] <greycat> But, I'm not a Web Designer or whatever.
• 3893[22:29:03] <petn-randall> greycat: each to their own. Debian is serving the users, not the other way around.
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• 3896[22:30:19] <petn-randall> Somelauw: Can you point me to a website that's telling you Firefox ESR is outdated? I'm genuinely curious.
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• 3899[22:33:01] <petn-randall> rapha: Let's move this discussion to #debian-offtopic. :)
• 3900[22:33:02] <Somelauw> petn-randall: i'm currently unable to test because i'm not using firefox ESR. Possibly skype.web.com
• 3901[22:33:13] <mxh-> firefox ESR is fine. even has good ES6 support. but when 55 comes around, everything else will be outdated
• 3902[22:33:17] <mxh-> sry for offtopic
• 3903[22:33:48] <petn-randall> Somelauw: works without error here.
• 3904[22:33:52] <greycat> Firefox can’t find the server at skype.web.com.
• 3905[22:34:21] <Somelauw> web.skype.com
• 3906[22:34:40] <greycat> " You need to enable javascript "
• 3907[22:34:48] <greycat> That's the entire content. Hilarious.
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• 3910[22:35:30] <mxh-> I have lost the ability to control network-manager as my normal user suddenly. I am in the netdev group. Any idea what's wrong?
• 3911[22:35:52] <mxh-> I use nmcli.
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• 3913[22:37:36] <jmcnaught> mxh-: what is the error?
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• 3915[22:37:55] <Somelauw> greycat: turn off noscript. otherwise try firefox ESR / chrome
• 3916[22:38:04] <Somelauw> i meant firefox release
• 3917[22:38:19] <greycat> Somelauw: I simply closed the tab. Experiment concluded.
• 3918[22:38:37] <greycat> I have no intention of letting Skype take over my browser with its evil.
• 3919[22:38:48] <SuperTramp83> ^
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• 3922[22:39:34] <petn-randall> greycat: Still using your trying elinks 0.11.7? ;)
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• 3924[22:39:40] <petn-randall> s/trying/trusty/
• 3925[22:39:41] <p0rt> okay, something went wrong. After upgrading I got locked from the root account. I'm not in the sudoers file anymore. Anyone here experiencing similar problems?
• 3926[22:39:48] <p0rt> I'm using debian testing btw
• 3927[22:39:54] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: i don't have a skype account but the login page for web.skype.com doesn't display an error. Other webrtc services I've used work find too
• 3928[22:39:57] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 3929[22:39:57] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3930[22:40:01] <petn-randall> p0rt: ^^^
• 3931[22:40:13] <p0rt> yeah, oftc doesn't allow tor connections
• 3932[22:40:17] <greycat> petn-randall: no, that was in Firefox-ESR, with NoScript installed. As a test of the alleged claim that it would complain that Firefox-ESR was "too old".
• 3933[22:40:18] <p0rt> iirc
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• 3935[22:40:54] <mxh-> jmcnaught: actually, it suddenly works. guess I forgot to relog earlier. thx anyways
• 3936[22:40:55] <p0rt> oh wait
• 3937[22:40:57] <p0rt> they do
• 3938[22:41:07] <petn-randall> p0rt: see you there
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• 3950[22:44:09] <jmcnaught> mxh-: i was going to say check loginctl to see if your session is 'active' but next time i guess
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• 3954[22:45:52] <badargo> in ---S--S--T 1 badargo badargo 0 Aug 2 17:33 bleh what does the number 1 stand for?
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• 3959[22:46:22] <greycat> Link count.
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• 3962[22:46:47] <greycat> "bleh" is currently the only link to this file.
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• 3965[22:48:04] <badargo> drwxr-xr-x 15 badargo badargo 4096 Aug 1 15:26 Music ---> i didnt creat links for this folder, why does it have 15 links ?
• 3966[22:48:22] <greycat> Directories are fundamentally DIFFERENT from files.
• 3967[22:48:32] <greycat> "bleh" was a file.
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• 3970[22:49:07] <greycat> I bet you will find 13 subdirectories inside "Music"
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• 3972[22:50:05] <badargo> yes... there are 13 subdirectories 0.o
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• 3976[22:51:43] <greycat> My understanding (may be slightly inaccurate) is you count one link for the directory name from where it's located, and one link for the "." that the directory contains that points to itself. Then one more link for each subdirectory's ".." that points back to the "Music" directory.
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• 3982[22:53:15] <badargo> ohh i see, so every subdirectory is linked to that directory hummm ok last one! why the 777 subdirectories are printed in a green and red box when i ls -l them?
• 3983[22:53:27] <greycat> man ls, man dircolors
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• 3986[22:54:31] <greycat> I don't know what all the colors mean. Never cared enough to put in that much effort.
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• 3989[22:55:43] <badargo> the 0xxx such as chmod 0000 get a red and grey color too
• 3990[22:56:09] <greycat> another hint, and this is my last one for today: echo "$LS_COLORS"
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• 3994[22:58:13] <badargo> no, its 7000 , my mistake, 7xxx :S
• 3995[22:58:25] <badargo> ok thanks ^^
• 3996[22:58:42] <Pelle`> Hi, all of a sudden i cant ssh my server i keep getting packet_write_wait: Connection to 192.168.1.160 port 22: Broken pipe the machine cant ssh itself either, i have tried the ServerAliveInterval in the config but it doesnt help, any suggestions?
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• 3999[22:59:02] <Guest35062> hi anyone hs test kvm/qemu on debian 9 ?
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• 4001[22:59:25] <petn-randall> Guest35062: Just ask your real question.
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• 4008[23:00:58] <jmcnaught> Pelle`: look at "journalctl -u ssh.service" for errors on the server
• 4009[23:01:15] <Pelle`> ill check
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• 4011[23:01:44] <jmcnaught> Pelle`: on the client you can also increase verbosity with -v
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• 4015[23:04:19] <Pelle`> jmcnaught nothing on journalctl
• 4016[23:04:58] <Pelle`> when i sssh login@localhost on server i get write failed: broken pipe
• 4017[23:05:00] <jmcnaught> Pelle`: nothing at all? did you run it as root or a user in the adm and systemd-journal groups?
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• 4020[23:06:56] <Pelle`> jmcnaught it just says that it has opened a shell for the user basically
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• 4022[23:07:57] <Pelle`> this is what i get with the verbose flag: replaced-url
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• 4025[23:08:48] <jelly> Pelle`, which user are you actually logging in to? Which login shell do they have?
• 4026[23:09:05] <Eduard_Munteanu> Is there a known issue regarding spuriously-missed and repeated keypresses on Debian stretch? My keyboard started misbehaving since I upgraded to Stretch.
• 4027[23:10:12] <petn-randall> Eduard_Munteanu: I haven't read of any in here. Have you checked the BTS?
• 4028[23:10:22] <petn-randall> Eduard_Munteanu: Is it USB?
• 4029[23:10:25] <Pelle`> jelly my account i created when i did the install, called administrator
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• 4032[23:10:58] <kruug> Why would you name your account administrator?
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• 4035[23:11:08] <Eduard_Munteanu> petn-randall, not yet. Yes, it's USB, a Logitech G610. I eat over it so it might be dirty or something, but it's supposed to be quite resilient.
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• 4037[23:11:24] <jelly> it's just another name on linux, kruug, not reserved
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• 4039[23:11:47] <Pelle`> kruug what does it matter anyway?
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• 4042[23:12:16] <Pelle`> it has worked for over a year without any problems until now, thats the strange part
• 4043[23:12:19] <jelly> Pelle`, does logging in at the text console work as that same user work?
• 4044[23:12:26] <petn-randall> I'm more concerned about someone having to type out the whole user name every time on login ;)
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• 4046[23:12:45] <Pelle`> petn-randall aliases :)
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• 4048[23:13:08] * jelly gives petn-randall a .ssh/config
• 4049[23:13:09] <tharkun> How can I find out what keycode certain key spits out?
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• 4051[23:13:22] <Pelle`> jelly im not sure tbh, however i couldnt log in with the graphical interface at first but after reboot i could
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• 4053[23:13:43] <jelly> try it
• 4054[23:14:08] <petn-randall> Oh, I thought we're talking about a local desktop. I use ssh_config heavily, too.
• 4055[23:15:19] <Pelle`> jelly it worked
• 4056[23:15:54] <Pelle`> the only thing i've done with the server today is added the user to another group but that was like early this morning
• 4057[23:15:57] <jelly> that's interesting, so it's not the shell itself that barfs
• 4058[23:17:22] <Pelle`> ok, removed user from the group and now it works
• 4059[23:17:28] <Pelle`> strange...
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• 4061[23:17:42] <jelly> which group?
• 4062[23:17:43] <Pelle`> shouldnt that have been effected immidiatly then?
• 4063[23:18:00] <Pelle`> its my ftp group i made when configuring sftp
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• 4066[23:18:20] <jelly> that shouldn't matter. Did you make any changes to sshd_config?
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• 4068[23:18:29] <Pelle`> not at all
• 4069[23:18:39] <jelly> pastebin your /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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• 4071[23:19:20] <jelly> !paste
• 4072[23:19:21] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 4077[23:21:34] <AciD`> anybody here tried zfs on Debian Stretch? Is it safe to upgrade from Jessie to it (since in Jessie kernel 4.9.* b0rked zfs since the zfs module could not be compiled by dkms. It worked great with 4.8)?
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• 4081[23:23:57] <Pelle`> jelly replaced-url
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• 4084[23:25:21] <jelly> Pelle`, so you told ssh to chroot every user in the sftpgroup group.
• 4085[23:25:23] <jelly> sshd*
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• 4087[23:26:52] <Pelle`> ah yea
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• 4089[23:27:22] <jelly> Pelle`, your login shell, let's say /bin/fish, won't work unless you have bin/fish and all the necessary libraries under /home/administrator chroot. And you probably don't have a /home/administrator/bin/fish
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• 4091[23:27:42] <Pelle`> yep :)
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• 4093[23:28:14] <jelly> use separate accounts for sftp-only
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• 4099[23:29:08] <badargo> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 59680 May 17 08:59 /usr/bin/passwd means anyone can run passwd. wouldnt be the same as -rwxr-xr-x? the s in -rws is not being redundant here?
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• 4103[23:29:32] <jmcnaught> AciD`: I expect that because zfs-dkms package is in stretch it works with the kernel in stretch. it's possible that a bug like this never got reported, but if reported that package would not have been included in the stable release
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• 4105[23:30:28] <petn-randall> badargo: the setuid bit is needed to change /etc/shadow when you change the password.
• 4106[23:31:09] <petn-randall> badargo: Notice that the setuid bit is used as a security measure here. Only root can change /etc/shadow, if it was writeable by anyone, anyone could change everyone's password.
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• 4108[23:32:02] <petn-randall> badargo: But with the suid bit on /usr/bin/passwd, it gets the rights to change the password file, but itself takes extra measures that you can only change your own password.
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• 4111[23:32:36] <AciD`> jmcnaught -> well, I guess I'd have to create a virtual machine with an old jessie + zfsonlinux, then try to upgrade to stretch
• 4112[23:32:55] <AciD`> that sounds like too much work, perhaps I'll yolo it :/
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• 4115[23:33:18] <jelly> Pelle`, also, if you manage to make writable sftp-only chroot without having to make the home owned by root, and then a subdir owned by user, let me know
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• 4118[23:34:06] <Pelle`> jelly thats the way i got it now, all sftp users have a subdir where they can put their files
• 4119[23:34:14] <dondelelcaro> jelly: I do that with a bunch of bind mounts
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• 4122[23:34:41] <jelly> dondelelcaro, an idiom comes to mind "the cure worse than the disease"
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• 4124[23:35:49] <dondelelcaro> jelly: yeah; it works fine for a small number of users, but definitely doesn't scale
• 4125[23:35:55] <badargo> petn-randall: if im not the root but passwd is rwxr-xr-x i can change my password and everybody elses password?
• 4126[23:36:00] <dondelelcaro> jelly: someone probably has a shell wrapper for sftp which can do that, though
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• 4128[23:36:30] <petn-randall> badargo: No, but it would have to be rwxrwxrwx so a normal user could write to it, which would be a security issue.
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• 4130[23:36:40] <jelly> thankfully that idea also never crossed by mind :-)
• 4131[23:36:50] <jelly> s/by/my/
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• 4133[23:37:12] <dondelelcaro> jelly: replaced-url
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• 4137[23:39:04] <badargo> so in both rwsr-xr-x and rwx-r-xr-x a user whos not root can change his password but not anybody elses password petn-randall ?
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• 4141[23:39:57] <badargo> oops i mean rwsr-xr-x
• 4142[23:40:07] <badargo> and rwxr-xr-x
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• 4144[23:41:35] <badargo> but if it was rwxrwxrwx anyone could change this shadow thing and mess up
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• 4146[23:41:58] <badargo> so the s in rws is somehow not giving rwx permissions to other file?
• 4147[23:42:08] <badargo> ereplaced-url
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• 4152[23:46:34] <debianuser5003> Oh, regarding fuse.. what's the point of install fusesmb package when you have cifs-utils ?
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• 4155[23:47:56] <jelly> debianuser5003, it's a different implementation
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• 4157[23:48:57] <debianuser5003> jelly: like is done in userspace instead kernel ?
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• 4159[23:49:01] <jelly> one thing you can do with a fuse-base fs is kill the backend instead of having to wait for the kernel to decide a remote share is unavailable
• 4160[23:49:26] <jelly> debianuser5003, FUSE = Filesystem in USErspace
• 4161[23:50:03] <jelly> so quite literally yes
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• 4164[23:52:03] <debianuser5003> jelly: i see so i assume that cifs mount is in kernelspace
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• 4166[23:52:39] <jelly> mount.cifs uses kernel cifs support, yes
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