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16 [00:14:26] <simbalion> RoyK: that doesn't even boot
17 [00:15:05] <simbalion> Does nobody in this channel know how
to fix this? Amazing.
18 [00:17:06] <RoyK> simbalion: did you try
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22 [00:19:19] <RoyK> simbalion: do you have a good backup?
23 [00:20:18] <simbalion> RoyK: it does not boot
24 [00:20:21] <simbalion> and yes I have backups
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26 [00:20:32] <simbalion> I'm not restoring from backups to
fix an issue that'll be solved in a couple of commands
27 [00:20:42] <simbalion> I'm just surprised nobody in here
knows the answer
28 [00:21:03] <RoyK> what do you mean it doesn't boot? the
system rescue thing?
29 [00:21:06] <RoyK> or your system
30 [00:21:09] <simbalion> Yeah it doesn't boot
31 [00:21:18] <simbalion> the recovery cd you recommended
32 [00:21:20] <simbalion> it doesn't boot
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34 [00:23:15] <simbalion> Got in using a debian LiveCD, just
gotta fix it now
35 [00:24:02] <simbalion> I'm not sure how to diagnose lvm
issues tho, it's probably not as simple as fsck
36 [00:24:31] <andersonv> simbalion: Are u on the
grub-rescue> ?
37 [00:25:14] <simbalion> I'm booted into a LiveCD
38 [00:25:38] <simbalion> The problem is it says can't
connect to lvmetad during boot
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40 [00:26:17] <andersonv> simbalion: test your usb device
41 [00:26:29] <simbalion> andersonv: what?
42 [00:26:39] <simbalion> What does USB have to do with lvmetad?
43 [00:26:44] <simbalion> the disk is on SATA
44 [00:27:00] <andersonv> simbalion: generally is happen when
que disk has errors or problems
45 [00:27:17] <simbalion> USB is working fine
46 [00:27:52] <unmy> simbalion, pvdisplay display anything?
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49 [00:29:31] <unmy> and lvmdiskscan?
50 [00:30:07] <andersonv> simbalion: do you try the "fsck
/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root -y" ??
51 [00:30:39] <andersonv> case u r using ubuntu
52 [00:31:56] <simbalion> unmy: neither of those commands works
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55 [00:34:18] <unmy> simbalion, you mean that command not found?
56 [00:34:27] <RoyK> ok - and simbalion you don§t need
lvmetad
57 [00:34:30] <RoyK> don't
58 [00:34:49] <RoyK> simbalion: what does lvs have to say?
59 [00:34:51] <RoyK> the command
60 [00:35:00] <simbalion> lvs does nothing
61 [00:35:04] <simbalion> it's not a command
62 [00:35:33] <simbalion> and the / fs is /dev/sda5, filesystem
type is LVM2_member
63 [00:36:32] <RoyK> simbalion: if you don't have lvs, apt
install lvm2 first
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65 [00:37:10] <simbalion> Thanks
66 [00:37:37] <RoyK> for some reason it's not in the
default rescue boot
67 [00:37:43] <simbalion> Okay, now lvs is showing me the / and
swap partitions
68 [00:37:51] <RoyK> ok, try to fsck the root
69 [00:38:02] <simbalion> RoyK: very weird right? It should be
on the live cd
70 [00:38:13] <RoyK> not my fault
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72 [00:39:22] <simbalion> nobody said it was
73 [00:40:21] <simbalion> How do I fsck the root?
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75 [00:40:48] <RoyK> what did lvs tell you?
76 [00:40:49] <RoyK> 00:30 < andersonv > simbalion: do you
try the "fsck /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root -y" ??
77 [00:40:50] <simbalion> I tried /dev/mapper/system-vg and it
said no such file or directory
78 [00:40:54] <RoyK> something like that
79 [00:41:00] <simbalion> hrm maybe I need to add -root
80 [00:41:37] <simbalion> Nothing's working, and tab
completion for /dev/mapper only shows 'control'
81 [00:41:52] <unmy> vgscan and vgchange -ay
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84 [00:43:53] <simbalion> unmy: Thanks! That fixed it. Now I can
do fsck /dev/mapper/system--vg-root -y, however it finished
instantly and I don't think it really did a scan
85 [00:43:57] <unmy> if you wanna continue to use lvm you should
read how lvm works
86 [00:44:04] <simbalion> I don't want to use LVM
87 [00:44:09] <simbalion> I built this system like 3 years ago
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89 [00:44:21] <simbalion> at some point I'll replace the
disk and I'll just use ext4
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91 [00:44:40] <unmy> it didnt have to take long
92 [00:45:08] <simbalion> is it possible to convert it from lvm
without losing data?
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94 [00:45:23] <simbalion> I have baackups it's just such a
pain to restore
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98 [00:46:31] <unmy> everything is possible but some things need
less or more effort :/
99 [00:46:51] <simbalion> not everything is possible when it
comes to filesystems
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101 [00:47:30] <simbalion> It's still not booting on
it's own, so it says failed to connect to lvmetad, then it says
volume group "system-vg" not found, and "cannot
process volume group system-vg"
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103 [00:49:01] <unmy> simbalion, and your disk/partitions arent
encrypted?
104 [00:49:05] <simbalion> right
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107 [00:52:52] <unmy> simbalion, tried with "use_lvmetad =
0" in "/etc/lvm/lvm.conf" ?
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109 [00:53:29] <simbalion> It's already failing to connect
to lvmetad and then falling back to scanning, so I'm not sure
why that would matter, but I will try it
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111 [00:53:47] <simbalion> wait, no that'd make no
difference
112 [00:53:55] <simbalion> etc is on /
113 [00:53:57] <simbalion> and / is lvm
114 [00:54:11] <simbalion> and isn't mounting, which means
nothing in /ext is being seen
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117 [00:54:39] <unmy> and did you "unmount" logical
volumes before reboot?
118 [00:54:40] <simbalion> Does that not mean the issue is in
/boot?
119 [00:55:05] <simbalion> unmy: no this is the result of a hung
apt-get upgrade, the system was hard rebooted
120 [00:55:15] <unmy> no, just set lvmeta to 0 to generate new
one
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122 [00:55:49] <unmy> maybe only that was broken
123 [00:56:30] <unmy> after vgscan and vgchange -ay you should be
abble to mount it
124 [00:56:44] <simbalion> Yup
125 [00:56:54] <simbalion> so I changed use_lvmetad to 0, testing
now
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127 [00:57:58] <simbalion> same problem
128 [00:58:45] <unmy> save it, do sync, and unmount AND remove by
lvm tool in proper way...
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130 [01:01:12] <simbalion> The system cannot find the lvm disk on
boot, and the file you're telling me to change is on the lvm
disk.
131 [01:01:31] <simbalion> That sounds like some magical
thinking.
132 [01:01:43] <simbalion> but it has no problem finding the disk
from a LiveCD
133 [01:01:50] <simbalion> how does that not mean the issue is in
/boot?
134 [01:02:11] <RoyK> you don't need a separate /boot
partition anymore
135 [01:02:19] <unmy> some config file could gone after that hard
reset
136 [01:02:20] <simbalion> Need has nothing to do with anything
137 [01:02:41] <simbalion> on this system, /dev/sda1 is /boot and
/dev/sda5 is /, and is an lvm disk
138 [01:02:49] <unmy> you need to run livecd, mount all stuff and
chroot it
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140 [01:03:18] <simbalion> Considering the advice you've
given so far you'll understand if I'm skeptical
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145 [01:07:16] <unmy> you was updating system and boom so would
be smart to finish that process at all in chroot and generate
initramfs image because nobody is abble to tell you what could be
missing in your system already
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147 [01:08:34] <simbalion> The only issue is that it can't
find and mount the lvm
148 [01:08:41] <simbalion> any other issues that might also exist
could be fixed after booting
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150 [01:08:50] <simbalion> But the chroot idea isn't a
terrible one
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152 [01:09:22] <simbalion> Would I chroot to
/dev/mapper/system--vg-root ? and then just do apt-get upgrade?
153 [01:09:43] <simbalion> I've got very little experience
doing updates in chroot
154 [01:10:57] <unmy> need scan and mount first logical volumes
and after proc dev sys and boot
155 [01:12:22] <simbalion> well the only separate one is /boot.
everything else is on /
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158 [01:12:55] <chibill> any suggestions for getting the builtin
Radeon Xpress 200 Series graohics card working on my Debian desktop?
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164 [01:15:31] <vfw> chibill:
replaced-url
165 [01:16:03] <chibill> Does that work for Debian 9 also?
166 [01:16:30] <chibill> wait
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168 [01:17:01] <unmy> simbalion, probably something like this
should work:
169 [01:17:01] <chibill> Basically the answer is no I can't
use the builtin graphics. :(
170 [01:17:05] <unmy> vgscan && vgchange -a y &&
mount /dev/mapper/system--vg-root /mnt && mount /dev/sda1
/mnt/boot && mount --rbind /proc /mnt/proc && mount
--rbind /dev /mnt/dev && mount --rbind /sys /mnt/sys
&& chroot /mnt /bin/bash
171 [01:17:53] <vfw> chibill: I don't thin so...
172 [01:19:15] <chibill> Wonder why. I just wanted to take some
of the strain off the CPU. (I am run an OLD system right now)
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174 [01:19:30] <vfw> chibill: Do you have xserver-xorg-video-ati
installed ?
175 [01:19:56] <chibill> Yep it oddly came installed with X
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178 [01:20:54] <vfw> chibill: Do you have firmware-linux-nonfree?
179 [01:21:07] <vfw>
replaced-url
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181 [01:21:30] <chibill> Nope I think I need to add a apt repo to
install that correct?
182 [01:21:45] <vfw> idk
183 [01:22:23] <vfw> "Binary firmware for various drivers in
the Linux kernel (meta-package)"
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186 [01:23:09] <chibill> After installing that I will have to do
a reboot most likely.
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189 [01:24:13] <chibill> lol apt is trying to recommend my AMD
system have intel's micro code installed xD
190 [01:25:06] <chibill> Rebooting wish me luck xD
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192 [01:26:03] <simbalion> unmy: thanks, I will give that a try
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195 [01:28:50] <simbalion> unmy: everything works except chroot,
which says it can't find /bin/bash
196 [01:29:07] <simbalion> but I can run /bin/bash just fine
197 [01:29:18] <unmy> just do chroot /mnt
198 [01:29:25] <simbalion> oh nvm I see what I did wrong
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201 [01:31:04] <unmy> so now better check config files
/etc/default/grub /etc/fstab and set that use_lvmetad = 0 in
/etc/lvm/lvm.conf cus probably there is line with = 1
202 [01:31:19] <chibill> vfw That fixed it all up!
203 [01:32:24] <chibill> Its using it now.
204 [01:32:29] <chibill> Also now my desktop has the specter
patch actually applied xD It was in the amd-microcide package
apparently
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206 [01:32:52] <unmy> simbalion, after all remember to unmount
everything and at the end remove lvm by "vgchange -a n"
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208 [01:34:38] <simbalion> while chrooted it can't update
209 [01:34:51] <unmy> no network?
210 [01:35:01] <simbalion> no there's a network
211 [01:35:09] <simbalion> but it's failing at DNS
212 [01:35:25] <unmy> so put something in /etc/resolv.conf
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216 [01:36:23] <unmy> echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" >
/etc/resolv.conf
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219 [01:37:07] <simbalion> thanks that worked
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221 [01:38:18] <simbalion> did apt-get upgrade but the only
things being installed are openjdk and libpq5
222 [01:38:29] <simbalion> probably not the cause of the issue :/
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224 [01:39:37] <unmy> you should check all packages
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226 [01:39:44] <simbalion> How do I do that?
227 [01:40:16] <unmy> I never used that but install
"debsums" package
228 [01:41:11] <simbalion> ah it looks like dpkg --verify will do
it
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230 [01:42:25] <unmy> :)
231 [01:42:45] <simbalion> this'll probably take awhile,
thanks for your help again
232 [01:43:54] <unmy> no problem, at least you know that still
some files exist in dumb lvm :)
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239 [01:53:00] <simbalion> hrm none of the modified files seem
relevant
240 [01:54:34] <unmy> maybe disk uuids changed or need regenerate
initramfs / grub etc
241 [01:54:56] <simbalion> uuids can change?
242 [01:56:01] <at0m> i've had that when installing a second
debian on another partition, where it changed swap partition uuid
243 [01:56:29] <at0m> or you could do that manually, but you
would remember doing that
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246 [01:57:23] <simbalion> unmy: I did update-initramfs -u, which
completed without error, do I need to do something with grub also?
247 [01:58:19] <unmy> update-grub ?
248 [01:58:34] <simbalion> thanks, I couldn't remember it
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253 [02:01:49] <simbalion> I can't seem to unmount /mnt,
says it's busy
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256 [02:05:00] <unmy> simbalion, how looks the line in fstab with
root partition?
257 [02:05:03] <sussudio> simbalion: lsof | grep mnt
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259 [02:05:27] <unmy> simbalion, before umount you need umount
previous sys dev proc boot
260 [02:05:47] <simbalion> unmy: I did that
261 [02:06:00] <unmy> and all umounted without problem?
262 [02:06:18] <simbalion> except /mnt
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264 [02:06:33] <sussudio> also, don't be in the dir
you're trying to unmount.
265 [02:06:38] <simbalion> I did a reboot and it's still not
booting
266 [02:07:18] <unmy> without proper umount and removing lvm?
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268 [02:07:36] <simbalion> yup
269 [02:07:45] <simbalion> but that's probably got nothing
to do with it
270 [02:07:50] <unmy> eh
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272 [02:08:01] <simbalion> It's still failing to find the
disk when scanning
273 [02:08:13] <simbalion> but now it's not complaining
about lvmetad anymore so that setting change worked
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277 [02:12:00] <unmy> in google "cannot process volume group
system-vg" and you should find something
278 [02:12:14] <simbalion> Nope, I tried that already.
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282 [02:18:52] <simbalion> im gonna try reinstalling the kernel
and nvidia-driver because I'm betting those are the issue.
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292 [02:29:08] <simbalion> That worked! I reinstalled the kernel,
nvidia-driver, and also lvm2. One of them fixed it. Probably the
kernel
293 [02:29:20] <simbalion> thanks for all your help guys
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296 [02:31:14] <simbalion> grr, gdm3 is apparently broken too, or
openbox, can't tell. but it's giving a error screen and
virtual terminals aren't working
297 [02:31:24] <simbalion> oh wait they are
298 [02:31:36] <simbalion> my crazy apple keyboard defaults to
magic keys instead of F keys
299 [02:31:52] <simbalion> it's such an awesome keyboard if
it wasn't for that lol
300 [02:32:02] <martinjungblut> simbalion: I'm coming here
just now but I wonder what your issue was...
301 [02:32:31] <simbalion> martinjungblut: apt-get upgrade
interupted by hard reboot
302 [02:32:45] <martinjungblut> Ah, I see
303 [02:32:45] <simbalion> couldn't detect or mount / on lvm
partition after that
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308 [02:35:16] <simbalion> Hrm, X still can't start
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311 [02:35:53] <simbalion> anyone familiar with this error
screen? I dunno if it's GDM3 or Openbox or something else
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322 [02:50:03] <simbalion> hrm, systemd-modules-load fails on
some nvidia files
323 [02:50:12] <simbalion> I an buying a radeon next time I
upgrade
324 [02:50:19] <simbalion> I am*
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327 [02:52:12] <htb> Hi, I have lost all sound after an upgrade
today. I have checked that nothing is muted in pavucontrol or
alsamixer, restarted pulseaudio. Does anyone have any suggestion as
to what to try next? Thanks.
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329 [02:55:17] <simbalion> It's actually failing on
nvidia-drm
330 [02:55:29] <simbalion> this is why every champion of
corporate copyrights is going to burn in hell for me.
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338 [03:08:06] <zeta-> Is it possible to search the pkg DB for
those added since a date, ie new packages?
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351 [03:26:52] <simbalion> finally back in X. Fuck Nvidia.
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469 [06:36:30] <afx237_> Anyone know of any semi-mainstream
scripts to perform dist-upgrades? I know it's easy enough to do
manually, and I've been doing that 20 years... so I was about
to write a script myself, but seems like something lots of other
people may have solved already? There's some notes on the idea
here:
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470 [06:36:30] <afx237_> just want to speed up the process a bit
and have it do a few checks for me, and maybe prompt if there's
any potential issues.
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535 [08:34:18] <beepnboop-> hello i have brand new os on my brand
new desktop, anyway i'm struggling to install sudo
536 [08:34:28] <beepnboop-> so how do i install sudo
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538 [08:36:58] <nkuttler> apt-get install sudo
539 [08:37:11] <beepnboop-> yeah.. i cant
540 [08:37:17] <nkuttler> as root, obviously. use su to become
root
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544 [08:39:51] <beepnboop-> says i need to insert something like
the iso
545 [08:40:04] <beepnboop-> i did, and it still asking me
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548 [08:43:43] <beepnboop-> media change please insert the disk
labeled debian gnu\linux 9.5.0 stretch official amd64 dvd binary-1
20180713-10 in the drive media\cdrom and press enter
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550 [08:44:07] <beepnboop-> i cant even remember how i got sudo
on this machine
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553 [08:50:54] <nkuttler> beepnboop-: see man 5 sources.list, and
remove the cdrom entry
554 [08:51:25] <nkuttler> !tell beepnboop- about sources.list
555 [08:51:58] <nkuttler> i thought you didn't have sudo
installed?
556 [08:52:18] <nkuttler> if you already have it installed, run,
as root, adduser <youruser> sudoers
557 [08:52:20] <beepnboop-> i dont
558 [08:52:35] <nkuttler> ok, then clean up your sources.list,
apt-get update, apt-get install sudo
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561 [08:53:39] <beepnboop-> its quite a ******** that it
doesn't get installed when you install brand new os
562 [08:53:54] <diogenes_> is it apt or apt-get recommended in
debian?
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564 [08:55:07] <beepnboop-> whats the nano command again?
565 [08:55:43] <c23> nano(1), the text editor?
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567 [08:55:55] <beepnboop-> to edit sources list
568 [08:56:10] <beepnboop-> the wiki has no mention of it
569 [08:56:32] <c23> Like a visudo kind of deal? I didn't
think there was one..
570 [08:57:08] <beepnboop-> ?
571 [08:57:12] <c23> You can just edit /etc/apt/sources.list with
whatever, I think.
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573 [08:57:30] <beepnboop-> no i cant
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575 [08:57:37] <beepnboop-> not without sudo
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579 [08:59:16] <diogenes_> beepnboop-, 1. su (enter passwoer) 2.
nano /etc/apt/sources.list 3. comment out the cdrom lines 4. save,
close 5. apt update
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581 [09:02:53] <beepnboop-> i need to undo something, whats
"M-U"
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584 [09:04:35] <c23> [Alt] + [u]
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592 [09:10:40] <beepnboop-> not in the sudoers file
593 [09:10:51] <beepnboop-> i just added myself to the file and
saved..
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595 [09:12:26] <beepnboop-> nvm
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598 [09:14:02] <c23> Anyone out there have a decent understanding
of UEFI? I have the dual-boot blues.
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600 [09:14:45] <beepnboop-> thanks nkuttler c23
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602 [09:17:45] <c23> No problem, beep.
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636 [10:05:21] <beepnboop-> can i get something bigger than
1024x768 without driver?
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640 [10:17:33] <fpat> without driver you see a blank screen. or
do you mean a different driver than nouveau?
641 [10:17:57] <dutchfish> beepnboop-, depends on how you define
'driver', there is always a driver in use, per default its
vga.
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643 [10:18:39] <fpat> !nouveau
644 [10:18:40] <dpkg> The nouveau project aims to build
high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT,
GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel,
the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read
its README.Debian file for important notes). Install the
libgl1-mesa-dri package for 3D acceleration.
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646 [10:20:10] <dutchfish> beepnboop-, if you are after an
'open source' solution, your choices are limited, right
now amdgpu is developed to a level it has the best options.
647 [10:20:43] <dutchfish> beepnboop-, also for the intel drivers
648 [10:20:49] <fpat> but its not free, right?
649 [10:21:26] <dutchfish> fpat, apart form the blop its
'free', not as in beer but as in free to use.
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651 [10:22:24] <dutchfish> fpat, any open source driver comes
with an license file, which anyone can read ;)
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653 [10:22:53] <dutchfish> the firmware is another story
654 [10:24:17] <dutchfish> beepnboop-, if yu are happy with a vga
driver without hw acceleration or unlocking specific features, you
can use the vga driver on quiet some different resolutions.
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656 [10:25:08] <dutchfish> !vga
657 [10:25:08] <dpkg> hmm... vga is Video Graphics Array or
something you SHOULD know, maybe you should sell your computer huh,
or 60 Hz vsync, 31.5 kHz hsync gets your old VGA monitor going, or
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658 [10:26:12] <dutchfish> mmm.. that factoid needs some
attention, sorry for that
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682 [10:50:28] <beepnboop-> i have 980 sli on that machine and no
i'm not happy with 1024x768 maximum resolution on that 1440p
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684 [10:51:27] <yl0oc> Hello. What happens with manually compiled
software, which uses a lot of external libraries (for ex. php),
after i do apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade after for ex. 5 years? Will
binaries still work or need i recompile?
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714 [11:32:46] <gour> morning
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716 [11:35:18] <gour> i'd like to configure local dev
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server, but in order to simplify permissions, it would be nice to
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766 [12:18:52] <fr0xk> The epiphany on Debian Stable 9
doesn't save protonmail credentials
767 [12:19:08] <fr0xk> Right?
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769 [12:19:45] <fr0xk> WebKit 2.18.6
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786 [12:40:52] <kopper> Is it possible to have sounds working in
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791 [12:44:13] <stiltzkin> Hey, I have probably a really dumb
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792 [12:44:29] <stiltzkin> I want to start my system without a
cursor (passing -nocursor option) but I don't know which file
to edit...
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795 [12:46:36] <stiltzkin> like where is startx/xinit actually
run and where do I add that argument
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798 [12:49:48] <kopper> stiltzkin: man xinit
799 [12:50:15] <kopper> And take a look at $HOME/.xinitrc
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803 [12:51:53] <stiltzkin> I don't have one
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805 [12:52:21] <stiltzkin> I tried creating one and if I do the
system just starts and stops X in a loop
806 [12:52:50] <stiltzkin> this is a little embedded arm system
with a LCD display and I just want it to display an image without
the cursor on it
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811 [12:54:36] <keane_> Can anyanyone help?
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813 [12:55:00] <keane_> I'm trying to install debian from a
flash drive and the drive won't boot at all
814 [12:55:23] <keane_> Even after changing the boot order for my
x200
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816 [13:00:53] <kopper> stiltzkin: Did you do something like
this?
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817 [13:01:01] <stiltzkin> exactly that page
818 [13:01:20] <stiltzkin> I just don't know where to set
those options - where does startx get called for the first time,
which system script?
819 [13:01:37] <stiltzkin> setting an ~/.xinitrc seems to cause a
loop
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843 [13:19:09] <CrazyTux> is Debian testing a rolling release
version of Debian?
844 [13:19:47] <abrotman> Not really
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846 [13:21:12] <CrazyTux> but, why some Debian based distros like
Sparky linux that are based on Debian testing say that they are
rolling release distros?
847 [13:21:31] <abrotman> You'd have to ask them ... Maybe
they don't know what they're talking about
848 [13:21:46] <abrotman> dpkg: rolling
849 [13:21:46] <dpkg> Testing is not a rolling release in the
strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed
<buster>. It is part of the Debian development process and is
gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to
#debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving
target>.
850 [13:22:48] <CrazyTux> ok. Is Debian Testing usable by
newbies? non technical end users?
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864 [13:38:04] <abrotman> CrazyTux: That's a vague question
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866 [13:38:40] <abrotman> There are some points where
"Testing" is okay for non-tech people, and others where it
will be a curse
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868 [13:39:22] <CrazyTux> ok. What are they?
869 [13:39:36] <abrotman> The times?
870 [13:39:58] <abrotman> Is there some reason that
stretch/stable is unacceptable for this non-tech person?
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887 [13:55:18] <CrazyTux> which distro is the best Debian based
newbie friendly distro?
888 [13:55:58] <Tom-_> Linux Mint?
889 [13:56:21] <Tom-_> or LMDE, Linux Mint Debian Edition
890 [13:56:49] <CrazyTux> Tom-_, ok. How about the distros like
Sparky linux an MX Linux?
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892 [13:57:32] <Tom-_> not familiar, maybe try them out like
Linus Torvalds says to do, you can try them in virtual box
893 [13:57:52] <CrazyTux> ok
894 [13:57:53] <keane_> Lmde has really old software on thier
distros though
895 [13:58:39] <CrazyTux> I have seen really positive reviews of
MX Linux.
896 [13:58:59] <keane_> One of the reason's I'm moving
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899 [14:01:22] <Tom-_> LMDE 2 is Debian Jessie, yes, but LMDE 3
is coming out soon, based on stretch
900 [14:01:34] <CrazyTux> ok
901 [14:01:47] <Tom-_> CrazyTux, try MX Linux :)
902 [14:01:58] <CrazyTux> btw, which DE is most newbie friendly?
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904 [14:03:11] <abrotman> CrazyTux: This is a channel for Debian
support.
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906 [14:03:34] <CrazyTux> ok
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918 [14:20:08] <jmd> I've just updated my
/etc/apt/sources.lst from "jessie" to "stretch",
ran "apt-get update". Then I did "apt-get
dist-upgrade" and apt get does - absolutely nothing - What have
I forgotten?
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921 [14:22:50] <n4dir> jmd: though i am half asleep, i'd say
you didn't forget anything. Doesn't tell you why it
doesn't work, but i checked the chat-bot and he tells exactly
that procedure
922 [14:22:57] <n4dir> !jessie->stretch
923 [14:23:21] <n4dir> ! jessie->stretch
924 [14:23:21] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
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926 [14:24:44] <jmd> n4dir: Ok. Thanks. I'll double check
what I did.
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928 [14:25:15] <n4dir> good luck.
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930 [14:27:31] <jmd> ... seems to be doing something on the
second attempt ...
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934 [14:28:55] <Inline> hello
935 [14:30:01] <Inline> i added openmodelica to my sources but i
can't get the keys
936 [14:30:11] <Inline> where do i find the keys ?
937 [14:30:47] <Inline> subkeys.pgp.net times out
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940 [14:34:53] <`whoami`> Hello, does anyone have any hint about
fixing a failed 'apt --fix-broken install' ?
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941 [14:36:15] <`whoami`> i think my hard disk is dying, btw.
Maybe that's the issue
942 [14:37:09] <`whoami`> -- by hard disk i mean the usb drive
the system is installed on
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962 [15:03:29] <kirk781> I have a weird issue that sometimes
affects my Ethernet connection
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964 [15:04:09] <kirk781> It will randomly disconnect[no blinking
lights] and I need it to plug it into another computer[where it
works]. I bring it back and plug it into my PC again and now boom,
it works
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968 [15:05:26] <at0m> kirk781: anything in /var/log/syslog when
that happens?
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970 [15:06:28] <kirk781> at0m, I haven't checked it till
now. I'll check it now. It's not limited to Debian though.
The same behavior, I observe, in Solus as well[with which I dual
boot]
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972 [15:07:37] <at0m> then i'd check the other end of the
cable, the modem/router/switch/.., but syslog will probably tell you
what happened either side.
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993 [15:34:41] <`whoami`> about my apt -f install error; i was
worried to fsck that usb drive, but after a few pass, it fixed it.
So the dying usb drive is the issue
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995 [15:37:18] <hahainternet> so, this bug has been in sid for
more than a month now:
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996 [15:37:25] <hahainternet> it's an incredibly simple bug,
yet it totally breaks a bunch of different things about sid
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998 [15:37:46] <hahainternet> nobody seems to be bothering or
cared, and i can't see any way that anyone can help out
999 [15:37:52] <hahainternet> it's frustrating
1000 [15:38:17] <hahainternet> i'd love to help out, but i
wouldn't even know who to talk to
1001 [15:38:30] <at0m> !testing
1002 [15:38:30] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<buster>. See
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1004 [15:39:48] <hahainternet> if that was for me at0m i've
no idea what you're highlighting
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1006 [15:40:16] <at0m> hahainternet: talk to #debian-next on
irc.oftc.net. here is not for sid or testing.
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1008 [15:40:43] <hahainternet> well i'm not asking for it to
be fixed, i'm more interested in how i could help out, but sure
i'll take it there too
1009 [15:40:44] <at0m> or, reply to and confirm in the buglist.
1010 [15:40:58] <hahainternet> well nobody is reading the bug
report clearly
1011 [15:41:08] <hahainternet> as it's highest priority in a
very core package and has been sat for a month unclassified
1012 [15:41:13] <hahainternet> hence i'm confused
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1046 [16:14:56] <mefistofeles> hello
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1049 [16:16:34] <mefistofeles> So I have this machine with lxc and
docker containers running in it, but when I reboot the machine I
don't get network (no IP or ping responses, etc.). If I
manually run `systemctl restart networking` network starts working,
any ideas why I have to manually run this and how to make network
connections work automatically at boot in this case?
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1051 [16:17:53] <diogenes_> mefistofeles, ethernet cable?
1052 [16:18:10] <mefistofeles> diogenes_: cable is fine
1053 [16:19:02] <diogenes_> mefistofeles, no i mean what type of
connection, ethernet, wireless?
1054 [16:19:08] <mefistofeles> diogenes_: yes, ethernet
1055 [16:19:24] <diogenes_> static IP?
1056 [16:19:38] <mefistofeles> hmm I can paste my interfaces file,
maybe that works...
1057 [16:21:23] <mefistofeles> diogenes_: yeah, static IP, this is
my interfaces file
replaced-url
1058 [16:22:16] <diogenes_> try to change 192.168.X.Y+1
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1060 [16:23:17] <mefistofeles> diogenes_: may I ask why?
what's your reasoning?
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1062 [16:24:12] <diogenes_> mefistofeles, might be some mysterious
conflict somewhere, but that's just a speculation
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1064 [16:28:09] <mefistofeles> diogenes_: that wouldn't
explain why restarting networking service does it :|
1065 [16:29:06] <mefistofeles> diogenes_: I'll try something
first, one sec
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1076 [16:49:40] <fath0m> Hello guys, do you know if Debian 9.5
supports 8th gen intel cpus?
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1085 [17:09:21] <pfred1> I only run 4th gen here seems to work OK
to me though
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1088 [17:15:55] <mason> mefistofeles: What are you using for
networking? NM? ifupdown?
1089 [17:16:02] <mason> =shudder= netplan?
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1091 [17:17:39] <mason> Heh. I was shocked to see 433 emails in my
spam bucket, but looking at it, I haven't cleared it out since
mid-July.
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1093 [17:20:34] <fpat> almost 1 spam mail every 24 hours
1094 [17:20:40] <fpat> (for me)
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1096 [17:21:15] <mason> Ah, better than me. I seem to get 20 a day
that make it through the system-level stuff.
1097 [17:21:42] <mason> SpamAssassin and Spamprobe rarely get
false positives for those that do get through.
1098 [17:21:52] <mason> Sorry, false negatives, I mean.
1099 [17:21:54] <mefistofeles> mason: I guess no network manager,
just plain /etc/network/interfaces and system "networking"
services
1100 [17:22:22] <mason> mefistofeles: Oh, I see where you shared
your interfaces file. Sorry. Looking.
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1102 [17:23:09] <mason> mefistofeles: Okay, one significant
oddity... Why do you have the eno1 stanza in there?
1103 [17:23:33] <mefistofeles> mason: well, I copied it from some
example on setting up bridges for lxc
1104 [17:23:36] <mason> mefistofeles: I'd comment out
"allow-hotplug eno1" and "iface eno1 inet
manual" and *just* have your lxcbr0 stanza
1105 [17:23:47] <mefistofeles> it sued to work correctly in a
prevopus server with debian 8, it's a new server now with
debian 9
1106 [17:23:51] <mefistofeles> used*
1107 [17:23:54] <mefistofeles> previous*
1108 [17:24:01] <mefistofeles> gah, sorry horrible typing
1109 [17:24:06] <mason> mefistofeles: Also, FWIW, I don't
think you strictly need bridge_fd or bridge_maxwait
1110 [17:24:16] <mason> Hm.
1111 [17:24:51] <mason> mefistofeles: It's definitely worth
trying without that eno1 stanza anyway.
1112 [17:25:04] <mefistofeles> mason: ok, giving it a try
1113 [17:25:07] <mason> My near-baseless gut feeling is that the
"inet manual" is hanging it up somehow.
1114 [17:26:14] <mason> mefistofeles: Oh, might be a syntax error
two. It ought to be dns_nameserver, not dns_nameservers. That said,
I'm double-checking to see if maybe both are valid.
1115 [17:26:19] <mason> s/two/too/
1116 [17:27:08] <vfw> That's stupid. Should be just
nameserver
1117 [17:27:44] <mason> I use dns_nameserver here but I'm
looking for docs.
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1119 [17:28:06] <mefistofeles>
replaced-url
1120 [17:28:09] <mefistofeles> nameservers is fine
1121 [17:28:14] <mason> kk
1122 [17:28:14] <mefistofeles> I think
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1124 [17:28:24] <mason> Any luck without the eno1 stanza?
1125 [17:28:31] <mefistofeles> testing as we speak
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1127 [17:28:47] <mason> I see examples of the plural out there
too.
1128 [17:28:50] <mefistofeles> mason: nope, same issue
1129 [17:29:00] <vfw> Why would "nameserver" be prefaced
by an acronym that stands for domain name server? But good
nameserver works...
1130 [17:29:02] <mefistofeles> no IP on lxcbr0
1131 [17:29:09] <mason> Hrm. :/ And there isn't
networkmanager installed/configured/interfering in the background?
1132 [17:29:10] <mefistofeles> I'd have to do systemctl
restart networking for it to work
1133 [17:29:23] <mason> vfw: Ah, stylistically it's a bit
redundant, yes.
1134 [17:29:35] <Gigglebyte> I lost my ability to shut off the
backlit keyboard and control screen brightness after intsallling
Debian. I am wondering if installing the System76 drivers would help
this? System76 has provided the source code and binaries as well as
the actual drivers itself.
1135 [17:29:35] <neo219> how to view htpasswd users?
1136 [17:29:39] <mefistofeles> mason: nope, no nm
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1139 [17:30:45] <mason> mefistofeles: Hm. Hopefully someone else
will have ideas then. What you've got seems correct to me, but
clearly something has changed.
1140 [17:31:05] <mefistofeles> mason: yeah, I'll let you know
if any advances happen
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1142 [17:31:10] <mefistofeles> thanks anyways
1143 [17:31:16] <mason> Good luck.
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1146 [17:32:43] <mason> mefistofeles: I have errands to do, but if
you haven't cracked this by the time I'm back I'll do
as exact a duplicate as I can and see what happens.
1147 [17:33:05] <mefistofeles> mason: thanks! No problem
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1153 [17:43:52] <jmd> It's dissappointing that the netinst
disk in stretch doesn't have any ppp tools. Now it can't
set up a network which rather defeats its purpose.
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1161 [17:56:29] <karlpinc> jmd: You can probably install them in
the shell, set up networking manually, and skip the part of the
installer that sets up networking. You probably need "expert
mode".
1162 [17:57:30] <fpat> but is that suitable for a distro like
debian?
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1164 [17:59:05] <fpat> as far as i know ppp and pppoe and
pppoeconf are not on the dvd-1 iso either
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1167 [18:04:42] <karlpinc> fpat: What goes on those media is
dependent upon the popularity contest.
1168 [18:05:40] <karlpinc> fpat: It's just that common.
(Although I seem to recall pppoe being in the installer some years
ago. Could be wrong.)
1169 [18:05:53] <karlpinc> "It's just _not_ that
common."
1170 [18:06:27] <karlpinc> fpat: The cds and dvds are primarily
for off-network installation.
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1172 [18:07:57] <mefistofeles> Now I wonder if my problem is
related to iDRAC
replaced-url
1173 [18:08:06] <mefistofeles> since this is a poweredge server
with iDRAC running
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1175 [18:08:45] <Gigglebyte> I have installed Debian, and
wondering if I need to reinstall the System76 drivers? I am on a
System76 Oryx Pro.
1176 [18:08:51] <fpat> i am not sure, tbh
1177 [18:11:16] <Gigglebyte> System76 advises that they never
tested the drivers with Debian. They only test the drivers with
POP_os! (Ubuntu with a label) and gnome. I got rid of it because
gnome was a mess and xfce didn't work that well with Pop.
Additionally the keyboard and mouse pad were a big mess. However, I
have some new problems since installing Debian. The backlit keyboard
won't shut off and gives of a blue neon light, and I lost
control
1178 [18:11:16] <Gigglebyte> over screen brightness. None of the F
keys work any longer. However, there are no longer stability issues
with the keyboard and mouse pad, and overall the ability to use the
laptop is greatly improved. Will installing the drivers fix these
other problesm?
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1224 [18:47:57] <egrain> i have 3 partitions and a lot of empty
space on sdb. so i thought why not use the empty space with
cryptsetup /dev/sdb -o [offsetafterpartion] to make a hidden
encrypted partition. but it says sdb is already mounted. which i can
understand of course, but how do i hide the partition then?
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1232 [18:53:46] <GNU\colossus> egrain, you can use device mapper
to turn arbitrary ranges of blocks on a device into block devices of
their own
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1236 [18:54:04] <GNU\colossus> (I forgot the details, but `man
dmsetup` should be an OK start :))
1237 [18:54:19] <egrain> GNU\colossus, thanks a bunch. i'll
take a look.
1238 [18:54:33] <jelly> egrain: umount them temporarily?
1239 [18:55:18] <egrain> jelly, /dev/sdb1 is root. can i just
unmount that temporarely?
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1241 [18:55:25] <egrain> i
1242 [18:55:26] <karlpinc> egrain: You might consider your threat
model. Generally, security by obscurity is not particularly useful.
It may be eaiser to just make a partition and use LUKS.
1243 [18:55:31] <jelly> nope
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1245 [18:55:39] <egrain> thought so.
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1247 [18:56:02] <jelly> obscurity is useful, just not very much
1248 [18:56:09] <karlpinc> jelly: agreed
1249 [18:56:21] <egrain> jelly, i need plausible deniability.
first thing i learned in internet school.
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1263 [19:04:06] <unmy> egrain, that should give you some hintch:
replaced-url
1264 [19:04:39] <unmy> read it twice and be sure you wont destroy
your data :P
1265 [19:04:46] <egrain> i think it's dmsetup create /dev/sdb
[--readahead [+]sectors|auto|none] though i'm not sure.
--readahead and the sector where the unallocated sectors start?
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1271 [19:11:53] <egrain> unmy, that's very kind of you, but i
don't see how any of that is necessary in the setup they
suggest. If i have to make a partition covering the whole drive, i
can just do that without all the dding in the beginning. just make
the partition. unmount it. i do cryptsetup --plain. the article
isn't helpign me. thank you though.
1272 [19:12:50] <egrain> i have sdb1 and 3 mounted. and a lot of
unallocated space. now i want to cryptsetup /dev/sdb -o [sector
hwere unallocated space starts] open --type plain SUCCESS! if i do
that though it says /dev/sdb is already mounted.
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1274 [19:15:03] <unmy> egrain, you didn't read it at all,
after all you got there "clear" partition which cover full
space but with hiden/masked encrypted space which nobody will be
abble to notice that even exist
1275 [19:15:48] <egrain> but i don't want that. i want to
partition the unused space. not create partitions on top of
partitions.
1276 [19:16:37] <egrain> wait that wasn't clear enough. i
want to cryptsetup open -o unusedspace.
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1278 [19:18:05] <vfw> egrain: You can not do it on unused space,
only on partitions.
1279 [19:19:16] <egrain> vfw, that's not true. you can do it,
you just can't have partitions on the device mounted.
didn't you tell me that over at arch? or are there two of you
now?
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1281 [19:20:23] <vfw> Yes, that's me on arch
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1287 [19:23:08] <egrain> well, great to see you aren't a
distributionist.
1288 [19:23:19] <egrain> anyway, dmsetup create doesn't work
either, because: Name "/dev/sdb" invalid. It contains
"/".
1289 [19:23:39] <egrain> oh, wait, i think / means in the name not
/ as in root. llalala, my bad.
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1292 [19:25:29] <egrain> i wish i was better at reading man pages.
1293 [19:25:41] <pfred1> I wish man pages were written better
1294 [19:26:27] <pfred1> GNU favors their info system over man
pages
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1299 [19:29:43] <egrain> pfred1, i do have to say here i like the
archwiki. though they have no dmsetup page unfortunately.
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1302 [19:33:24] <pfred1> egrain arch does have some pretty
extensive documentation
1303 [19:33:25] <vfw> archwiki's are usually pretty good and
usually have adequate detal.
1304 [19:33:39] <pfred1> I guess because they need it :)
1305 [19:33:48] <vfw> yep
1306 [19:34:16] <vfw> But, most linux users are eager to learn -
it's a good thing.
1307 [19:34:19] <egrain> i actually find apt-get more complicated
than pacman. i still have no idea how to see what packages i have
installed or even how to search for them.
1308 [19:34:51] <pfred1> vfw I am on the fence with the whole
learning deal I tend to have to learn at inconvenient for me times
1309 [19:34:53] <vfw> egrain: apt has those features too
1310 [19:35:10] <egrain> is there liek a howto for it?
1311 [19:35:43] <pfred1> Debian's package manager is second
to none but not everything gets installed by default
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1314 [19:36:08] <egrain> is there a comparison i can read
somewhere? because as i said, so far i find pacman wayyyyyy simpler.
1315 [19:36:57] <vfw> egrain: but there are also dpkg commands
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1317 [19:37:17] <farruinn> aptitude is very powerful. Anything you
want to do is only a google search away
1318 [19:37:18] <egrain> see? now i have to remember apt-get and
dpkg.
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1320 [19:37:35] <vfw> and apt-cache
1321 [19:37:42] <pfred1> rdepends
1322 [19:37:56] <pfred1> apt-file
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1324 [19:39:56] <egrain> pacman -Ss and pacman -S (yu). was all i
know back when i started out and it was sufficient, especially when
i used |grep on top of it. but this apt thing. update and upgrade i
know. but that doesn't really tell me what i've installed
or how to search for packages.
1325 [19:40:04] <egrain> knew
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1328 [19:40:56] <pfred1> egrain there's searching for
what's installed then there's searching for what is in the
repo
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1331 [19:41:20] <vfw> but some of it is redundant. 'apt list
--install' will show all installed packages and you can pipe it
to grep with key words
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1334 [19:41:45] <pfred1> dpkg -l shows what's installed
doesn't it?
1335 [19:41:45] <dpkg> No packages found matching shows
what's installed doesn't it
1336 [19:41:49] <Sia-> hi, we have a small issue in kuridish
keyboard in all linux distros. Where can report this bug or issue
and get an answer 100%. i've tried Xorg and ubuntu launchpad no
answer at all.
1337 [19:41:57] <vfw> sorry, it's --installed not --install
1338 [19:42:38] <pfred1> usually you want to see what package you
need to install though
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1340 [19:43:08] <vfw> pfred1: Yes, dpkg -l (a redundancy, but
simple and less typing).
1341 [19:43:12] <egrain> how do i search for packages?
1342 [19:43:25] <pfred1> there's apt-cache and apt-file
1343 [19:43:34] <vfw> apt search <pkg-name>
1344 [19:43:48] <pfred1> yeah or aptitude search
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1347 [19:44:23] <egrain> vfw, thanks so much. since i run into
this apt thing regularly i'm really grateful for now knowing
how to use it.
1348 [19:44:49] <vfw> Oh yea, there is also aptitude. There are a
number of redundancies. Overall, it is fairly intuitive.
1349 [19:45:26] <pfred1> meh I usually have ot look up how to do
stuffs
1350 [19:45:37] <egrain> oh, another thing. what's with the
kernel stocking in /boot? whenever i update one, it doesn't
remove the old file but keeps filling up the /boot/ partition.
1351 [19:45:54] <farruinn> egrain: so you can roll back if the new
one doesn't work for you?
1352 [19:45:55] <pfred1> you can remove old unused kernels
1353 [19:46:00] <vfw> pfred1: Yea, and remember; Google is your
friend ;)
1354 [19:46:15] <egrain> how do i remove the old ones? i just
tried apt-get auto-remove but boot is still filled.
1355 [19:46:18] <pfred1> I just axed one here the other day that I
figured I don't need
1356 [19:46:52] <pfred1> I used apt-get remove then the full
package name
1357 [19:46:58] <farruinn> egrain: aptitude search "~i
linux-image" will tell you which kernel packages you have
installed
1358 [19:46:59] <egrain> anyway, here pacman is also better. it
stores the old stuff somewhere /pacman/pkg or something, and not on
the boot partiton.
1359 [19:47:09] <farruinn> egrain: ~i tells aptitude to search
only installed packages
1360 [19:48:17] <pfred1> dpkg -l linux*
1361 [19:48:17] <dpkg> No packages found matching linux*
1362 [19:48:25] <pfred1> annoying bot
1363 [19:49:05] <Sia-> any idea ladies and gentleman?
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1370 [19:56:57] <farruinn> Sia-: I probably can't help with
the keyboard thing, but it's better to be specific about the
issue.
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1374 [19:59:05] <Sia-> farruinn is just a small change, we have
indicarabic number not arabic. Who is responsible for this?
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1394 [20:19:48] <SerajewelKS> egrain: there's also
packages.debian.org for more in-depth searches of package contents
1395 [20:19:55] <SerajewelKS> apt-file can do some of that but
requires storing an index on your system
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1397 [20:21:13] <egrain> thanks, SerajewelKS. i do need everything
terminal based though. usually the apt people don't have
specific needs and are easily to shut up via update and upgrade.
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1399 [20:23:52] <SerajewelKS> yeah. so apt-cache will let you
search package names and summaries, while apt-file will let you
search the contents of packages for specifically-named files.
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1409 [20:33:48] <pfred1> learning package management is the key to
operational success
1410 [20:34:13] <pfred1> just knowing there is a way is a good
start
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1481 [21:44:49] <Delta706> Can anyone recommend a good package for
a neural network on a standard PC which has clear documentation on
what it can do? I read that a neural network has been used to
identify cat pictures. Is that possible with a standard computer or
would I need to build a Google-style supercomputer?
1482 [21:46:28] <jhutchins> ,v keepass2
1483 [21:46:29] <judd> Package: keepass2 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.19+dfsg-2; jessie: 2.28+dfsg-1; stretch: 2.35+dfsg-2; buster:
2.39.1+dfsg-1; sid: 2.39.1+dfsg-1
1484 [21:46:36] <[SushiIMeal]> google's neural network
recognizing black as gorilla
1485 [21:46:46] <[SushiIMeal]> black ppl*
1486 [21:46:48] <[SushiIMeal]> :D
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1497 [21:54:49] <[SushiIMeal]> that's how computer learned
mythomania
1498 [21:54:57] <[SushiIMeal]> :Ð
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1501 [21:59:06] <SerajewelKS> Delta706: usually the problem is not
really the computational power, but having a sufficiently large set
of training images that the result is statistically meaningful
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1503 [21:59:25] <SerajewelKS> Delta706: having said that,
there's some open source python utilities for doing exactly
this
1504 [22:01:23] <[SushiIMeal]> in short this is a bunch of
reading/comaprisons for a lil write
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1528 [22:23:35] <Delta706> Serajewelks: Is there a package you
could recommend?
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1531 [22:28:18] <SerajewelKS> Delta706: i don't think
it's in debian, but look up TensorFlow
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1533 [22:29:18] <MarioMey> Hello, there. I connected my Genius
WizardPen 4x3 to Debian 9... and it doesn't work.
1534 [22:29:33] <MarioMey> lsusb says: "Bus 006 Device 003:
ID 5543:0003 UC-Logic Technology Corp. Tablet WP4030U"
1535 [22:30:03] <MarioMey> I do: sudo "usbhid-dump -es -m
5543:0003" and I get data from pen.
1536 [22:30:06] <MarioMey> So, it's working.
1537 [22:30:10] <MarioMey> But cursor doesn't work.
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1539 [22:30:38] <MarioMey> Then, I download
digimend-dkms_8_all.deb from
replaced-url
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1544 [22:34:45] <MarioMey> I'm rebooting...
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1552 [22:42:58] <klys> hi, I am trying to understand this:
replaced-url
1553 [22:43:13] <klys> and the example provided doesn't look
to me like a bridge.
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1561 [22:47:25] <AeCEgGfTv5> does the VLC from offical debian
repository play MKV/x264 etc?
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1566 [22:51:30] <Delta706> AeCEgG: I just tried it. It played a
mkv fine for me
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1574 [22:54:00] <algun> hey 3 times today my deb froze
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1576 [22:54:21] <pfred1> algun that'd be great it's been
pretty hot here
1577 [22:54:27] <algun> as in became totally unresponsive
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1579 [22:55:08] <pfred1> i wish my PC would freeze some
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1581 [22:55:10] <algun> mous pointer stuck keyboard input ignored
same image
1582 [22:55:17] <algun> on the screen
1583 [22:55:30] <algun> got ideas? just rebooted
1584 [22:55:39] <pfred1> might want to run htop and see what is
going on
1585 [22:56:03] <pfred1> see if some process starts consuming 100%
of resources
1586 [22:56:15] <SerajewelKS> klys: it's a layer 3 bridge,
not layer 2
1587 [22:56:28] <SerajewelKS> kernel bridge interfaces are layer 2
bridges
1588 [22:56:30] <algun> i cant. as i said frozen
1589 [22:56:42] <pfred1> you start htop then wait for it to freeze
1590 [22:56:55] <SerajewelKS> algun: can you ssh in from another
computer, or CTRL+ALT+F1
1591 [22:57:01] <algun> it takes a long time
1592 [22:57:03] <klys> serajewelks, can you identify the default
gw in this example?
1593 [22:57:05] <pfred1> or can't you even boot?
1594 [22:57:27] <algun> SerajewelKS: i cant ctrl alt f1 no input
1595 [22:57:47] <algun> it wrks now pfred1
1596 [22:57:51] <pfred1> reisub?
1597 [22:57:55] <SerajewelKS> klys: i don't know why that
would be important. layer 3 bridging and a gateways are orthogonal
concepts
1598 [22:58:02] <algun> wat
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1600 [22:58:11] <pfred1>
replaced-url
1601 [22:58:19] <klys> serajewelks, then I am kind of lost looking
at this stuff
1602 [22:58:30] <SerajewelKS> algun: ("no input" can
mean one of any things. CTRL+ALT+F1 is handled directly by X, not
the window manager, so an unresponsive desktop environment can
sometimes still be escaped this way.)
1603 [22:58:41] <SerajewelKS> klys: maybe it's an XY problem?
what are you trying to do?
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1605 [22:58:57] <pfred1> it is like a laxitive for your PC
1606 [22:59:00] <klys> serajewelks, something like this,
replaced-url
1607 [22:59:03] <algun> SerajewelKS: i tried it. no input
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1609 [22:59:39] <algun> and i think htop wuldn show anything
1610 [22:59:47] <SerajewelKS> klys: that doesn't really
answer my question. what is your goal?
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1613 [23:00:02] <algun> unless the spike is gradually curved
1614 [23:00:15] <pfred1> not showing anything would be showing
something
1615 [23:00:30] <klys> sarajewelks, from the page,
"Aparently, it is not possible to bridge ethernet frames
between wireless in client mode and ethernet. e.g. It wont
work."
1616 [23:00:31] <pfred1> then you'd know it is not a run away
process
1617 [23:00:54] <algun> im pretty sure
1618 [23:00:59] <SerajewelKS> klys: right. that's still too
close, back up a bit. why do you need to do that?
1619 [23:01:06] <pfred1> is your system thermal throttling?
1620 [23:01:09] <SerajewelKS> are you trying to bridge to a VPN or
something, using a wireless client?
1621 [23:01:17] <algun> dont think so
1622 [23:01:44] <klys> serajewelks, taking a look at
/etc/qemu-ifup it wants something on the default
1623 [23:01:49] <pfred1> you need to check to make sure
1624 [23:01:51] <algun> gnome tracker running
1625 [23:02:01] <algun> ithought i tol i o btho
1626 [23:02:03] <SerajewelKS> klys: oh, bridging a virtual machine
to the network on a wifi client?
1627 [23:02:20] <algun> told i°
1628 [23:02:21] <klys> serajewelks, I am told proxy-arp can do
this for me.
1629 [23:02:35] <algun> IT
1630 [23:02:38] <algun> sry mobile
1631 [23:02:47] <algun> klys how
1632 [23:02:55] <SerajewelKS> klys: right. so the gateway is
irrelevant here.
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1634 [23:03:11] <SerajewelKS> klys: e.g. if the layer 3 bridge is
working then the qemu VM would be able to reach your DHCP server and
auto-configure.
1635 [23:03:12] <klys> serajewelks, will I have to change the file
/etc/qemu-ifup ?
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1637 [23:03:51] <SerajewelKS> klys: i don't know. you might
ask ##networking instead, there's probably more people hanging
around who have done obscure things like this.
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1639 [23:04:07] <algun> btw how do i sort in top
1640 [23:04:13] <algun> its unintuitive
1641 [23:04:16] <SerajewelKS> algun: < and > change the sort
column
1642 [23:04:18] <algun> by cpu i mean
1643 [23:04:20] <SerajewelKS> it's sorted on CPU% by default
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1645 [23:04:50] <SerajewelKS> algun: when in doubt, man top
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1647 [23:04:59] <SerajewelKS> the docs exist for a reason
1648 [23:05:02] <MarioMey> Hi again.
1649 [23:05:25] <MarioMey> I still can't use my WizardPen.
1650 [23:05:39] <algun> SerajewelKS: i used to. im sick of it
1651 [23:06:09] <algun> cant evensee the column b which it
issorted
1652 [23:06:16] <algun> worst
1653 [23:06:18] <SerajewelKS> if reading documentation makes you
sick then you may want to switch to another operating system
1654 [23:06:41] <algun> wiseguy been using this one for a decade
1655 [23:06:53] <algun> still don know top though
1656 [23:07:47] <SerajewelKS> i'm just saying, if your
reaction to "the answer is readily available in the
documentation" is dismissive then you're not going to get
many people scrambling to help you
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1658 [23:08:53] <algun> thats not all nor is that necessarily
true. others may agree that top is unintuitive
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1660 [23:09:26] <SerajewelKS> they may agree but the documentation
is still there, is accurate, and answers your question
1661 [23:09:35] <algun> its special alright. or where else do you
use lt gt to choose smth
1662 [23:10:00] <algun> it was like that the last 10 time i read
it too SerajewelKS
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1664 [23:10:12] <SerajewelKS> fun fact: pressing ? in top tells
you everything you probably care about
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1667 [23:11:17] <SerajewelKS> i'm not saying it's
intuitive, i'm saying make some effort to learn the tools you
are using beyond asking IRC how to do simple things that are clearly
documented
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1671 [23:11:40] <SerajewelKS> that's all i'm going to
say about it
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1673 [23:12:16] <algun> youre being obtuse. i said multiple times
that i forget. its not that i didnt read or didnt know at some
points
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1675 [23:12:47] <at0m> i forget too. thank the nix gods for man
pages.
1676 [23:13:09] <at0m> they remember in my place :)
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1678 [23:15:12] <algun> not obtus ignorant maybe
1679 [23:16:00] <algun> at0m i challeng you to fin that piece of
info and count the steps (misses too)
1680 [23:16:13] <SerajewelKS> i even gave you the answer you were
asking for. then when i suggested that the answer was in the docs,
your reaction was that you're "sick" of reading docs.
then you went on to complain that top is unintuitive.
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1683 [23:16:28] <algun> then tell me if after a decade of doing
that you wouldnt mind
1684 [23:16:49] <SerajewelKS> i've been doing that for ~20
years
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1688 [23:17:16] <SerajewelKS> my first reaction to not remembering
something isn't to ask IRC then complain, it's to read the
docs. then check google. *then* ask IRC.
1689 [23:17:31] <algun> n i sid i wa sick of doing man top in
particular
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1691 [23:17:33] <SerajewelKS> and i _even gave you the answer_
1692 [23:18:08] <algun> ypu overgeneralized. i explained. and you
still insist
1693 [23:18:19] <algun> i used your answer thanks
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1695 [23:18:41] <lembron> hi, whats the deal on
"/etc/localtime vs /etc/timezone" ? - i got a host with
"utc" for the one, and "europe/paris" for the
other - and wonder whats the deal with this... (as in "is the
stock image wrong?")
1696 [23:19:13] <algun> or at least i think i did. no indicator
next to cpu column but it is sorted afaics
1697 [23:19:30] <SerajewelKS> lembron: /etc/localtime is a
symlink, is it pointing at the UTC timezone file?
1698 [23:19:52] <SerajewelKS> lembron: or which specific file is
it pointing at?
1699 [23:19:53] <algun> moral of the story is that tops the worst
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1702 [23:20:20] <SerajewelKS> so use htop
1703 [23:20:21] <lembron> SerajewelKS yep zoneinfo/Etc/UTC, and im
okay with that and what it does - my concern is the europe part in
there
1704 [23:20:24] <SerajewelKS> or literally one of a dozen other
tools
1705 [23:20:50] <algun> wiseguy smh
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1708 [23:21:34] <algun> tracker at 90+ %
1709 [23:21:40] <lembron> so Q: is kinda "should i change
/etc/timezone to the UTC as well?" or is there a good reason
for it to remain related to server-location
1710 [23:22:07] <SerajewelKS> lembron: they may have fallen out of
sync with each other. "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" should fix
both.
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1712 [23:22:18] <SerajewelKS> you may need to restart some
services for them to pick up the change
1713 [23:22:39] <algun> tracker—miner—f (smths missing
tops cuttin it off an its an unresponsive tui)
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1715 [23:23:25] <algun> correction its resšonsive. it just
likes cutting off the last column anyway
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1717 [23:24:31] <SerajewelKS> wait, is this debian?
tracker-miner-fs isn't automatically installed on debian, i
thought.
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1719 [23:24:40] <algun> i should read up on top history. this is
obiously not a proper nix tool
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1721 [23:26:01] <algun> SerajewelKS: i said it was deb. couldve
installe th pkg myself though idrecall
1722 [23:26:14] <lembron> SerajewelKS k, so "its wrong"
/ maybe sync a missed thing in the hosters stock image ((ovh, they
used to deliver things as french, so it wouldnt wonder me ;D)) - and
a `dpkg-reconfigure tzdata` indeed "fixes that"
1723 [23:26:16] <lembron> tyvm =)
1724 [23:26:27] <SerajewelKS> np
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1726 [23:27:25] <algun> tryin to remove the pkg doesnt try to
remove gnome metapkg
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1730 [23:29:48] <algun> i asked gnomwrs about tracker and disabled
stuff. still misbehaving. i gues ill remove it then
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1734 [23:31:32] <algun> actually would like a freeze with it
around 100% first. hard to beliwve x would not respond bcu o it
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1736 [23:32:51] <algun> clarification: asked gnomers in the past
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1741 [23:37:13] <AeCEgGfTv5> does gnome 3 come with a task bar
(without extensions)?
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1746 [23:40:35] <ilCyx86_64> I'm having issues on a Debian
testing system with Gnome3... I no longer can get a Gnome on Wayland
session... choosing the correct option from Gnome's login still
results in x11. Any ideas? It just stopped working for no reason a
while ago
1747 [23:41:13] <dvs> !debian-next
1748 [23:41:13] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1749 [23:42:16] <ilCyx86_64> I know, I know... just wondering if
anyone had any insight
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