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• 11[00:03:39] <dArK_IcE> a
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• 21[00:07:49] <fearnothing> how would one give java permission to listen on a privileged port?
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• 23[00:09:24] <bazhang> privileged
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• 25[00:09:32] <bazhang> to do what exactly
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• 27[00:10:13] <rattking> I have seem some folks listen on a high port and use iptables to nat to a low port.. not great but it worked
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• 34[00:12:09] <fearnothing> bazhang - using logstash to process syslog
• 35[00:12:25] <fearnothing> think I've found part of the answer
• 36[00:12:39] <fearnothing> setcap cap_net_bind_service=+ep /path/to/java
• 37[00:12:49] <fearnothing> now I just need to figure out where java has been installed
• 38[00:13:10] <bazhang> thought you wanted to use a java torrent client or the like
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• 40[00:13:44] <fearnothing> nooooope
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• 43[00:16:01] <kline> when using jessie with networkmanager, on connecting to a wireless network, networkmanager correctly fills my resolv.conf, but some time later, it's being emptied, causing all my dns queries to fail. does anyone know where i should start to diagnose, or if there is a common pairing of packages that think they both own resolv.conf? replaced-url
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• 46[00:16:21] <fearnothing> ok that's the one
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• 48[00:16:31] <ThisIsGoodNow> heyo
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• 50[00:16:46] <ThisIsGoodNow> I'm using debian oldstable and it crashed on me
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• 52[00:16:58] <ThisIsGoodNow> It's not stable.
• 53[00:17:00] <ThisIsGoodNow> Nor old.
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• 56[00:17:11] <bluefive> Does TOR use AES?
• 57[00:17:25] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, TOR in #debian? lol
• 58[00:17:45] <ThisIsGoodNow> Debian is a generic distro. AES isn't much value to them.
• 59[00:18:02] <TomTomTosch> not sure what you are on about...
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• 61[00:18:23] <ThisIsGoodNow> TomTomTosch, I meant how truecrypt, now defunct, doesnt get erased from apt
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• 63[00:18:48] <ThisIsGoodNow> last i heard you dont erase undeveloped apps from apt, or do you?
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• 66[00:19:29] <ThisIsGoodNow> that's why I like opensource. Yaourt all the way!
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• 74[00:22:04] <bazhang> ThisIsGoodNow, does debian have a chat channel
• 75[00:22:08] <bluefive> ThisIsGoodNow, Do you think a 3805U without AES instructions will perform AES encryption slower than an N3150 with AES instructions?
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• 78[00:24:07] <TomTomTosch> bluefive, it's rsa.
• 79[00:24:37] <ThisIsGoodNow> TomTomTosch, Exactly.
• 80[00:24:40] <ThisIsGoodNow> So no AES.
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• 82[00:25:14] <bluefive> TomTomTosch: Since AES instructions are on many CPUs, isn't RSA way slower than AES?
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• 89[00:26:54] <ThisIsGoodNow> what happened with glibc?
• 90[00:27:11] <TomTomTosch> bluefive, rsa is more expensive, yes.
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• 92[00:27:31] <ThisIsGoodNow> TomTomTosch, RSA is owned by EMC
• 93[00:27:37] <ThisIsGoodNow> which is gonna be owned by Dell soon.
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• 96[00:27:49] <bluefive> TomTomTosch: Expensive? You mean that in a technical way? It requires more computing power?
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• 98[00:28:05] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, as in they invest a lot in backdoors
• 99[00:28:15] <ThisIsGoodNow> none exist, but they want some.
• 100[00:28:30] <ThisIsGoodNow> I'd assume so since EMC owns RSA
• 101[00:28:34] <TomTomTosch> bluefive, but they work very differently. i guess public key encryption was a better choice.
• 102[00:28:39] <TomTomTosch> bluefive, yes.
• 103[00:28:39] <bluefive> But AES instructions are on many Intel chips, so I'm presuming AES is much faster than RSA.
• 104[00:28:49] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, whut
• 105[00:29:30] <bluefive> "Advanced Encryption Standard Instruction Set (or the Intel Advanced Encryption Standard New Instructions; AES-NI) is an extension to the x86 instruction set architecture for microprocessors from Intel and AMD proposed by Intel in March 2008.[1] The purpose of the instruction set is to improve the speed of applications performing encryption and decryption using the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES)." replaced-url
• 106[00:29:45] <bluefive> In AES-NI Performance Analyzed, Patrick Schmid and Achim Roos found, "... impressive results from a handful of applications already optimized to take advantage of Intel's AES-NI capability".[24] A performance analysis using the Crypto++ security library showed an increase in throughput from approximately 28.0 cycles per byte to 3.5 cycles per byte with AES/GCM versus a Pentium 4 with no acceleration.[25][26]
• 107[00:30:21] <bluefive> That's huge acceleration. 28 vs 3.5.
• 108[00:30:28] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, dont paste here
• 109[00:30:32] <bluefive> So why wouldn't TOR and other things take advantage of AES vs RSA?
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• 113[00:30:48] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, TOR is backed by US go
• 114[00:30:51] <ThisIsGoodNow> funding
• 115[00:30:59] <bluefive> You
• 116[00:31:03] <bluefive> are saying TOR is backdoored?
• 117[00:31:12] <TomTomTosch> bluefive, maybe you should move to #debian-offtopic. this doesn't really belong here.
• 118[00:31:17] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, im saying US gov donated to TOR. Nothing else.
• 119[00:31:35] <bluefive> I moved to OFFTOPIC.\
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• 131[00:34:54] <dimitry7> hey guys, my resolv.conf gets its nameserver from dhcp everytime the machine boots up
• 132[00:35:01] <dimitry7> i want it to be statick to 8.8.8.8
• 133[00:35:03] <dimitry7> how can i do it? thanks
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• 135[00:35:56] <ThisIsGoodNow> dimitry7, gentoo
• 136[00:35:57] <ThisIsGoodNow> XD
• 137[00:36:01] <dimitry7> haha no
• 138[00:36:04] <dimitry7> debian 8
• 139[00:36:32] <dimitry7> what's gentoo? oh the worst distro ever
• 140[00:36:33] <dimitry7> haha
• 141[00:36:33] <ThisIsGoodNow> i meant switch to gentoo
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• 143[00:36:37] <ThisIsGoodNow> hahaha
• 144[00:36:37] <dimitry7> hahaha
• 145[00:36:40] <dimitry7> no way!
• 146[00:36:45] <ThisIsGoodNow> What?
• 147[00:36:47] <ThisIsGoodNow> come on
• 148[00:36:48] <dimitry7> hahaha
• 149[00:36:51] <ThisIsGoodNow> haha
• 150[00:36:54] <dimitry7> give me a good reason
• 151[00:36:54] <ThisIsGoodNow> Gentoo wins.
• 152[00:37:00] <LambdaComplex> >calling gentoo the worst distro ever
• 153[00:37:02] <LambdaComplex> lol
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• 155[00:37:04] <TomTomTosch> stop spamming please.
• 156[00:37:09] <ThisIsGoodNow> Gentoo's endorsed by FSF iirc
• 157[00:37:15] <markybob> ThisIsGoodNow: stop
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• 160[00:37:34] <ThisIsGoodNow> markybob, FSf makes you pissed off? How about OSI?
• 161[00:37:47] <dimitry7> anyone my question?
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• 163[00:38:00] <LambdaComplex> ThisIsGoodNow: gentoo isn't fsf-approved
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• 165[00:38:13] <dimitry7> i haven't sleep in 49.5 hours this is the only thing I need to go to bed
• 166[00:38:33] <bazhang> ThisIsGoodNow, whats the offtopic channel for debian
• 167[00:38:36] <ThisIsGoodNow> LambdaComplex, but trisequel is
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• 170[00:39:03] <dimitry7> bazhang, debian question? my resolv.conf gets its nameserver from dhcp everytime the machine boots up, i want it to be static to 8.8.8.8. How can I do it?
• 171[00:39:04] <LambdaComplex> tfw ThisIsGoodNow is a horrible troll
• 172[00:39:20] <ThisIsGoodNow> LambdaComplex, trisiquel is endorsed by FSF. Look it up.
• 173[00:39:31] <ThisIsGoodNow> Also go to #debian-offtopic.
• 174[00:39:32] <dax> take the offtopic stuff to the offtopic channel
• 175[00:39:37] <ZitZ> dimitry7: i think you must have some sort of network manager installed that's doing that.
• 176[00:39:58] <bazhang> dimitry7, using networkmanager?
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• 178[00:40:04] <dimitry7> ZitZ, nope
• 179[00:40:10] <bazhang> ,v networkmanager
• 180[00:40:11] <judd> No package named 'networkmanager' was found in amd64.
• 181[00:40:16] <bazhang> augh
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• 186[00:41:05] <dimitry7> this is an AMI in AWS
• 187[00:41:07] <dimitry7> with debian 8
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• 189[00:41:21] <dimitry7> see my packages: replaced-url
• 190[00:41:31] <dimitry7> those only include the word network
• 191[00:41:51] <ZitZ> dimitry7: and when you change it it changes back on restart? What happens if you do /etc/init.d/networking restart.
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• 194[00:42:35] <dimitry7> I can't do that
• 195[00:42:41] <dimitry7> this server is in the cloud and on production
• 196[00:42:50] <dimitry7> if something goes wrong I'll be in trouble
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• 198[00:43:13] <ZitZ> dmitry7: if that's the case, just set it and forget for now, and debug it on a test system
• 199[00:43:27] <bazhang> hard to solve with such strictures
• 200[00:43:39] <ZitZ> if it's production whatever is changing it shouldn't be running very often
• 201[00:43:57] <dimitry7> nop
• 202[00:44:01] <dimitry7> it's the dhcp client
• 203[00:44:08] <dimitry7> that's the only thing
• 204[00:44:09] <eqyiel> what can I do about this? setting shlib_directory=no doesn't seem to do anything: fatal: instance /etc/postfix, shlib_directory=/usr/lib/postfix conflicts with instance /etc/postfix, daemon_dire
• 205[00:44:10] <eqyiel> ctory=/usr/lib/postfix
• 206[00:44:30] <dimitry7> eqyiel, go to #postfix !
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• 209[00:44:45] <dimitry7> eqyiel, tas re wey
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• 211[00:44:48] <eqyiel> dimitry7: that .. would be a good idea!
• 212[00:45:01] <dimitry7> eqyiel, correle ezequiel
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• 215[00:46:18] <dimitry7> ZitZ, what about: # chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
• 216[00:46:18] <dimitry7>
• 217[00:46:19] <dimitry7> ??
• 218[00:46:21] <ThisIsGoodNow> dimitry7, English pls.
• 219[00:46:41] <dimitry7> ThisIsGoodNow, that's ancient English.
• 220[00:47:20] <ThisIsGoodNow> dimitry7, Thy shalln't pass.
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• 222[00:47:28] <ThisIsGoodNow> They shalln't beseech gold.
• 223[00:47:48] <dimitry7> ThisIsGoodNow, stop spamming please.
• 224[00:47:58] <ThisIsGoodNow> dimitry7, Gentoo.
• 225[00:48:03] <ZitZ> dmitry7: do you use the package isc-dhcp-client?
• 226[00:48:18] <dimitry7> ZitZ, yup
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• 228[00:48:30] <dimitry7> ZitZ, ii isc-dhcp-client 4.3.1-6+deb8u2 amd64 DHCP client for automatically obtaining an IP address
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• 233[00:50:35] <ZitZ> dmitry7: i think there is a line or two you need to uncomment in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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• 236[00:50:51] <ZitZ> or you can install a package called resolvconf
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• 238[00:51:00] <ZitZ> the later i have no experience with
• 239[00:51:25] <dimitry7> ZitZ, ok this is my file: replaced-url
• 240[00:52:28] <ZitZ> dmitry7: the line prepend domain-name-servers
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• 243[00:52:57] <dimitry7> domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name,
• 244[00:53:10] <dimitry7> ZitZ, the whole line?
• 245[00:53:30] <ZitZ> yes, uncomment it and change it's value to say 8.8.8.8
• 246[00:53:44] <ZitZ> i'd test this first of course
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• 248[00:53:59] <dimitry7> ZitZ, great, I'll do some test on a copy of this instance (server) and let you know :)
• 249[00:54:01] <dimitry7> thank you man!!
• 250[00:54:05] <ZitZ> no problem
• 251[00:54:08] <dimitry7> :)
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• 274[01:02:10] <ZitZ> can someone recommend a channel for vpn networking problems, openvpn is rather dead?
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• 276[01:02:54] <ThisIsGoodNow> ZitZ, I'd recommend using PrivateInterntAccess. Everybody says they;'re good
• 277[01:03:00] <ThisIsGoodNow> most of them anyways
• 278[01:03:22] <ZitZ> ThisIsGoodNow: I mean for diagnosing problems with my own vpn server. :)
• 279[01:03:49] <ThisIsGoodNow> ZitZ, OpenVPN?
• 280[01:03:52] <ZitZ> i do use PIA for other things though ;), and yes, they are amazing
• 281[01:04:00] <ThisIsGoodNow> i guess so
• 282[01:04:07] <ZitZ> ThisIsGoodNow: Yeah, the #openvpn channel is dead
• 283[01:04:11] <ZitZ> :(
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• 286[01:04:22] <ThisIsGoodNow> ZitZ, i meant which software u se
• 287[01:04:26] <ThisIsGoodNow> use
• 288[01:04:35] <ZitZ> ah, yes, it is openvpn
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• 291[01:05:43] <ThisIsGoodNow> ZitZ, well in that case
• 292[01:05:50] <ThisIsGoodNow> #openvpn maybe?
• 293[01:05:52] <ThisIsGoodNow> ##openvpn?
• 294[01:05:55] <ThisIsGoodNow> ##vpn?
• 295[01:05:56] <ThisIsGoodNow> #vpn?
• 296[01:06:01] <ThisIsGoodNow> idk
• 297[01:06:05] <ThisIsGoodNow> try one of those
• 298[01:06:05] <ZitZ> yeah, #openvpn is dead, i asked there
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• 300[01:06:09] <ThisIsGoodNow> zitz
• 301[01:06:14] <ThisIsGoodNow> #vpn
• 302[01:06:16] <ZitZ> i'll see if htere is a #vpn or #networking
• 303[01:06:33] <DebTest4> ZitZ: hello :)
• 304[01:06:40] <DebTest4> ZitZ: i wonder about vpn...
• 305[01:06:56] <DebTest4> ZitZ: let's say i subscribe a pia account, how much bandwidth they have ?
• 306[01:07:01] <ZitZ> there is a #networking and a #vpn, #vpn is rather small
• 307[01:07:16] <DebTest4> ZitZ: i can fill my 300 - 500 Mbit/s line ?
• 308[01:07:19] <ZitZ> DebTest4: they don't limit your bandwidth total or speed that i know of
• 309[01:07:21] <dimitry7> ZitZ, good man it worked!!
• 310[01:07:23] <dimitry7> thank you!!!
• 311[01:07:31] <ThisIsGoodNow> ZitZ, #vpn is deaad, try ##vpn
• 312[01:07:41] <ZitZ> dimitry7: super! i'm glad it worked out
• 313[01:08:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1615
• 314[01:08:24] <ZitZ> DebTest4: As for whether or not it will fill your line, i can't answer
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• 319[01:08:51] <ZitZ> but, obviously it's going to be slower than a bare-metal connection
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• 324[01:09:04] <DebTest4> ZitZ: i see, because i saw time ago some tests done by people where they rarely even touch 15-20 Mbit/s
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• 327[01:09:32] <DebTest4> most of them even 7-8 Mbit/s
• 328[01:09:37] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, stop it.
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• 330[01:09:49] <facu_> hi everyone
• 331[01:10:10] <ThisIsGoodNow> facu_, yo
• 332[01:10:12] <ThisIsGoodNow> whats up
• 333[01:10:14] <ThisIsGoodNow> whats going on
• 334[01:10:17] <ThisIsGoodNow> why you here for
• 335[01:10:21] <facu_> nothing just chill
• 336[01:10:28] <ThisIsGoodNow> facu_, #gentoo?
• 337[01:10:33] <facu_> i 've got linux questions
• 338[01:10:39] *** Quits: adrian (~adrian@replaced-ip) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
• 339[01:10:45] <facu_> like is anyone using a minimal debian install?
• 340[01:10:55] <ThisIsGoodNow> facu_, As in gentoo?
• 341[01:11:02] <ZitZ> DebTest: I'd say 8 Mbit/s is probably doable on a close server on a good day
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• 344[01:11:30] <jmcnaught> !ot
• 345[01:11:30] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 347[01:12:05] <bazhang> ThisIsGoodNow, why are you always mentioning gentoo here
• 348[01:12:05] <facu_> mmm i better go to debian-offtopic
• 349[01:12:13] <facu_> thanks anyway !! :D
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• 351[01:12:34] <ThisIsGoodNow> bazhang, inside joke
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• 353[01:12:58] <bazhang> ThisIsGoodNow, its not a good thing to joke in a support channel
• 354[01:13:14] <DebTest4> I have a question
• 355[01:13:20] <ThisIsGoodNow> bazhang, #gentoo-chat welcomes you.
• 356[01:13:29] <DebTest4> I'm trying to setup a dns server for my network able to block lot of ads related domains
• 357[01:13:44] <bazhang> ThisIsGoodNow, lets call the ops here to get their view on your support
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• 359[01:14:07] <DebTest4> i have a big list of domains and i'm trying to create a list in order to tell my dns server unbound to point to 127.0.0.1
• 360[01:14:15] <ThisIsGoodNow> DebTest4, SQL list?
• 361[01:14:24] <DebTest4> ThisIsGoodNow: no, from file
• 362[01:14:38] <DebTest4> ThisIsGoodNow: dns server is called unbound is an alternative to bind
• 363[01:14:50] <ZitZ> DebTest4: you can do this in a host file
• 364[01:15:09] <DebTest4> ZitZ: no because this linux box have to act as dns for all the machines connected to my net
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• 367[01:15:53] <ThisIsGoodNow> DebTest4, use hosts file
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• 369[01:15:55] <ZitZ> DebTest4: doesn't it work if you put the hosts file on that linux box that is acting as the dns?
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• 372[01:16:18] <ZitZ> that's what i do on my openwrt router
• 373[01:16:27] <DebTest4> ZitZ: hm? but the machines are interrogating the dns ^^
• 374[01:16:33] <DebTest4> i mean
• 375[01:16:35] <ThisIsGoodNow> DebTest4 /%systemrot%/windows/system32/drivers/etc/hosts
• 376[01:16:38] <ThisIsGoodNow> XD
• 377[01:16:45] <DebTest4> ThisIsGoodNow: nope man
• 378[01:16:54] <DebTest4> ThisIsGoodNow: i'm not going to edit the hosts of each machine connected
• 379[01:16:54] <ThisIsGoodNow> DebTest4, XD
• 380[01:17:02] <ThisIsGoodNow> XD
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• 382[01:17:14] <DebTest4> ZitZ: replaced-url
• 383[01:17:21] <ThisIsGoodNow> then just do apt-get unbound DebTest4
• 384[01:17:37] <DebTest4> is what i'm doing, i have already it setup
• 385[01:17:38] <ZitZ> DebTest4: the client machines will use that gateway as it's primary dns
• 386[01:17:45] <DebTest4> but i have a problem with its config
• 387[01:17:59] <ZitZ> wait, i'm guessing it's not the same machine doing the dhcp though...
• 388[01:17:59] <DebTest4> seemingly if i load too much domains he says it have errors
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• 390[01:18:14] <ThisIsGoodNow> DebTest4, if you have unbound
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• 392[01:18:20] <ThisIsGoodNow> try apt-get bound
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• 394[01:18:29] <ThisIsGoodNow> i know its older version
• 395[01:18:30] <DebTest4> ...
• 396[01:18:32] <ThisIsGoodNow> but see if it works
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• 398[01:18:43] <bazhang> thats not a valid support answer
• 399[01:19:05] <fearnothing> hi, need a bit of help troubleshooting a port forward
• 400[01:19:09] <ZitZ> i know nothing about unbound
• 401[01:19:33] <bazhang> its not real so ignore whatever he says ZitZ
• 402[01:19:46] <catbeard> unbound is awesome
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• 404[01:19:51] <ThisIsGoodNow> catbeard, agreed.
• 405[01:19:58] <catbeard> handles ridiculous dns traffic
• 406[01:20:10] <fearnothing> I have the following in my before.rules in ufw:
• 407[01:20:13] <fearnothing> 10 *nat
• 408[01:20:13] <fearnothing> 11 :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
• 409[01:20:13] <fearnothing> 12 -A PREROUTING -p udp --dport 514 -j REDIRECT --to-port 5140
• 410[01:20:13] <fearnothing> 13 COMMIT
• 411[01:20:13] *** fearnothing was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 413[01:20:24] <fearnothing> oh srsly? 4 lines is a flood?
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• 415[01:20:35] <catbeard> no 2+ lines is a pastebin
• 416[01:20:43] <fearnothing> eh fine
• 417[01:20:47] <ZitZ> DebTest4: i think the router may need to know about the dns server as it's primary dns, then it will push it to all the dhcp clients. Or every client is going to have to be manually set with this machine as it's primary dns.
• 418[01:20:58] <ZitZ> there shouldn't be any limit to how much you can put in a host file
• 419[01:20:59] <fearnothing> replaced-url
• 420[01:21:07] <fearnothing> so that's in my before.rules
• 421[01:21:19] <DebTest4> ZitZ: my error is something like this: look replaced-url
• 422[01:21:24] <fearnothing> as I understand it, that should send anything arriving on port 514 to port 5140
• 423[01:21:29] <ThisIsGoodNow> fearnothing, yeah?
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• 425[01:21:31] <ThisIsGoodNow> idk
• 426[01:21:33] <fearnothing> and I have something set up to listen on port 5140
• 427[01:21:40] <catbeard> syslogd?
• 428[01:21:45] <fearnothing> catbeard - logstash
• 429[01:21:51] <catbeard> fair enough
• 430[01:21:59] <fearnothing> but logstash isn't getting anything
• 431[01:22:35] <fearnothing> capturing -i lo port 5140 sees zero packets
• 432[01:22:40] <ThisIsGoodNow> fearnothing, you running logstash alone?
• 433[01:22:45] <fearnothing> no, ELK
• 434[01:22:55] <Akuw> i am getting a Delivery mail fail in my mail box
• 435[01:23:01] <Akuw> but i don't send any mail
• 436[01:23:11] <Akuw> i got many mails like that
• 437[01:23:24] <qman__> It's called backscatter
• 438[01:23:29] <fearnothing> capturing -i eth0 port 514 sees plenty of packets but they're not getting forwarded
• 439[01:23:30] <catbeard> -j DNAT –to x.x.x.x:5140
• 440[01:23:44] <catbeard> try that on your prerouting
• 441[01:23:52] <qman__> It happens when other people don't drop forged mail "from" you
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• 444[01:24:10] <catbeard> make sure you also have ip_forward=1
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• 446[01:24:28] <qman__> The way to fix it is to use SPF and DKIM and such to authenticate your legitimate mail
• 447[01:24:38] <ThisIsGoodNow> qman__, PGP.
• 448[01:24:40] <ThisIsGoodNow> As well.
• 449[01:24:54] <qman__> That way others can easily tell what's fake and ignore it
• 450[01:24:57] <fearnothing> catbeard - where is ip_forward=1 set?
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• 452[01:25:04] <catbeard> sysctl -a | grep ip_forward
• 453[01:25:12] <ZitZ> DebTest4: that link 404s
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• 456[01:25:41] <DebTest4> ZitZ: ?
• 457[01:25:44] <fearnothing> net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
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• 459[01:25:53] <DebTest4> the question was So, does Unbound has local zone limit and what is it amount?
• 460[01:25:55] <catbeard> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
• 461[01:26:04] <catbeard> then add to /etc/sysctl.conf to make permanent
• 462[01:26:29] <ThisIsGoodNow> catbeard, but what if it changes on reboot?
• 463[01:26:43] <catbeard> it won't if it's in sysctl
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• 465[01:27:20] <fearnothing> ok, done
• 466[01:27:47] <fearnothing> still nothing on 5140
• 467[01:27:54] <catbeard> you capturing on your elk box?
• 468[01:27:58] <fearnothing> yes
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• 470[01:28:23] <catbeard> are the logs coming from the machine with the fw or from another machine behind it
• 471[01:28:39] <fearnothing> another machine on same subnet
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• 474[01:28:51] <fearnothing> this is a local fw only
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• 476[01:29:11] <catbeard> ufw policy forward allow
• 477[01:29:23] <Akuw> ThisIsGoodNow: do you have any site to read about how to do it?
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• 479[01:29:43] <catbeard> ufw policy routed allow
• 480[01:29:55] <catbeard> then try
• 481[01:29:58] <fearnothing> er, that's not valid syntax
• 482[01:30:04] <catbeard> might be accept
• 483[01:30:15] <catbeard> since it's ipt
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• 485[01:30:56] <catbeard> ops
• 486[01:30:58] <catbeard> it's
• 487[01:31:14] <catbeard> ufw default forward allow
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• 489[01:31:20] <catbeard> ufw default routed allow
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• 492[01:32:04] <fearnothing> still not working syntax =/
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• 494[01:32:31] <fearnothing> default is one of the keywords listed but the arguments must be wrong
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• 498[01:33:29] <catbeard> ah hmm i'm thinking of ubuntu not debian
• 499[01:33:39] <catbeard> ufw default allow
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• 505[01:35:37] <fearnothing> there's apparently a problem with before.rules still
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• 507[01:35:44] <fearnothing> this line: -A PREROUTING -p udp --dport 514 -j DNAT -to 5140
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• 510[01:36:44] <fearnothing> ah, it needed to be --to-port
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• 512[01:37:15] <fearnothing> still not getting anything on port 5140 though
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• 518[01:37:42] <fearnothing> really appreciate your time though catbeard
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• 522[01:38:12] <catbeard> i was gonna say ip.ip.ip.ip:5140
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• 524[01:38:16] <catbeard> but yeah that works too
• 525[01:38:24] <catbeard> np
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• 537[01:39:56] <Akuw> ?
• 538[01:40:17] <fearnothing> catbeard - so, I meant thanks that you are helping, but I'm still not getting packets...
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• 542[01:40:44] <catbeard> ah
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• 545[01:41:34] <fearnothing> I've tried it as --to-port 5140 and -to 127.0.0.1:5140
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• 551[01:42:32] <fearnothing> those are the ones that load successfully but neither of them actually forwards the packets
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• 557[01:43:33] <catbeard> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE
• 558[01:43:35] <catbeard> ?
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• 564[01:45:51] <fearnothing> what's that supposed to do?
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• 618[02:09:07] <jaggzt> why would installing Python3.5 from source, into /var/opt/ or whatever, affect any other debian packages?
• 619[02:09:27] <jaggzt> I have a program I'm compiling (blender) which requires 3.5, but jessie's at 3.4
• 620[02:09:47] <jaggzt> here are their instructions on installing python: replaced-url
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• 622[02:10:26] <dvs> jaggzt, because some packages use python for configuration.
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• 624[02:10:56] <jaggzt> but are they going to look in /opt/py35/ ?
• 625[02:11:28] <jaggzt> or is this "make install" possibly going to change some reference files in /etc/ or whereever (wherever?? that word looks wrong to me right now)
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• 631[02:17:32] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: does the "make install" output say it's changed anything in /etc? It seems like a lot of effort to go through considing the Blender in jessie and jessie-backports doesn't look that old
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• 633[02:17:59] <jaggzt> I have not run this
• 634[02:18:10] <jaggzt> jmcnaught, this is a dev version of blender (git)
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• 636[02:18:35] <jaggzt> within the past month py <=3.4 are likely to fail
• 637[02:18:44] <jaggzt> I'm told
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• 639[02:19:24] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: and the versions of blender available as Debian packages are missing critical features that are disrupting your workflow?
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• 645[02:22:46] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: if you read the Makefile in question, it will show you what would be done. You'll want to make sure that Python 3.5 doesn't end up in anyone's $PATH. Maybe check out GNU Stow as a way of organizing compiled from source stuff (if you absolutely must)
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• 754[03:16:07] <jaggzt> jmcnaught, yeah -- some new features are very valuable to my work
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• 757[03:16:43] <jaggzt> and also I do some development for the blender project :)
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• 778[03:25:11] <austeregrim> I wish I had enabled timestamps on this chat..
• 779[03:25:21] <austeregrim> jaggzt, you still trying to compile blender?
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• 781[03:25:53] <dvs> austeregrim, his last message was 20 mins ago
• 782[03:26:09] <austeregrim> maybe he's still around.
• 783[03:26:15] <austeregrim> but thanks dvs
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• 786[03:27:04] <dvs> np problemo
• 787[03:27:21] <jaggzt> austeregrim, yeah.. although had to work on other things today.. will get back to that soon
• 788[03:28:25] <awal1> How I can have access to the whole dpkg bot database for offline use?
• 789[03:28:28] <austeregrim> I was just trying to figure out why you're compiling, they generally give a pre-compiled binary.. but it I thought I saw you're trying to get it from the git repo.
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• 795[03:30:53] <jaggzt> even without installing -- ie. when some of these features I need are in a release, they're gong to have incompatibilities with py34 I think
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• 797[03:31:08] <jaggzt> austeregrim,
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• 804[03:32:18] <austeregrim> jaggzt, you can just do make, without install... and try running the binary created
• 805[03:32:39] <austeregrim> make-install just copies stuff to relavent locations....
• 806[03:32:44] <jaggzt> well blender's make install does a lot of other setup too, by the way
• 807[03:32:46] <austeregrim> for the most part
• 808[03:33:20] <jaggzt> it'd still need py35
• 809[03:33:52] <jaggzt> well, I'm "installing" to build dir in my blender development folder in my own user account
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• 813[03:35:25] <austeregrim> my first suggestion, if you're that leery about installing... is partion your hard drive real quick (if you have the space)... install a new debian, with the testing software you need.
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• 815[03:35:48] <jaggzt> it looks like it's exclusively in the destination prefix, by the way
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• 822[03:37:40] <austeregrim> but maybe a blender dev channel would be better off for this
• 823[03:38:06] <austeregrim> also I'm no good with compiling and etc.
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• 868[04:05:30] <jaggzt> yeah I'm there already (for years)
• 869[04:05:46] <jaggzt> python does a nice job confining itself to the given --prefix
• 870[04:06:17] <jaggzt> and blender's cmake configuration finds it there automatically
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• 970[04:51:55] <themill> jaggzt: those instructions used to also tell you to do some other things that were horrid. I worked with the blender developers yesterday to fix tem
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• 972[04:52:14] <jaggzt> themill, ohh.. nice :)
• 973[04:52:17] <jaggzt> themill, thanks :)
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• 992[05:06:28] <mms_> hi on debian seems on dist-upgrade to jessie I am facing X related problem.
• 993[05:06:32] <mms_> my vga graphics card from lspci shows Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
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• 995[05:06:43] <mms_> here id /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old - jessie blank screen - replaced-url
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• 1002[05:11:33] <jmcnaught> mms_: the first log from jessie seems kinda short
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• 1004[05:13:35] <mms_> jmcnaught: well I think thats all I had but let me check again
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• 1006[05:13:50] <mms_> I did couple of times after that not sure if I have broken one
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• 1008[05:14:39] <jmcnaught> mms_: Xorg.0.log is always the most recent one
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• 1023[05:20:55] <mms_> jmcnaught: but will it be what is wheezy boot ?
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• 1027[05:21:17] <mms_> jmcnaught: I have wheezy booting fine and issue is with jessie boot
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• 1029[05:21:33] <mms_> so I provided what I thought are two los for them
• 1030[05:21:38] <mms_> s/los/logs
• 1031[05:21:59] <mms_> jmcnaught: can you tell me if there is some diagnostic that I can do to get you correct logs
• 1032[05:23:27] <mms_> let me provide all logs that I have may then you can figure out which one is relevant ?
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• 1034[05:24:06] <mms_> jmcnaught: ?
• 1035[05:24:19] <jmcnaught> mms_: can you just try jessie again and then provide the new Xorg.0.log ?
• 1036[05:24:35] <mms_> well but I am unable to login into jessie
• 1037[05:25:07] <mms_> after failed boot I will boot into wheezy again and then should it be in which file ?
• 1038[05:25:13] <mms_> or shall give you lastest two files ?
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• 1040[05:25:25] <mms_> so one will be jessie and one will be wheezy
• 1041[05:25:31] <mms_> that is what I actually provided you earlier
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• 1044[05:26:43] <mms_> you still would prefer reboot ?
• 1045[05:27:12] <mms_> ctrl+alt+F1,2..9 they also did not work in jessie boot
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• 1050[05:27:55] <mms_> apparently wheezy build is also using some updated UI I can see after dist-upgrade and using old grub boot
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• 1055[05:29:17] <jmcnaught> mms_: use "ls -l" on the files to provide the correct one based on the time. if you can't remember, boot jessie now and note the time, provide the paste in wheezy when you come back (those are two separate partitions right?)
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• 1057[05:29:36] <mms_> no same partitions
• 1058[05:29:46] <mms_> based on ls -l I provided files earlier
• 1059[05:29:53] <mms_> let me repeat that aain
• 1060[05:29:55] <mms_> again
• 1061[05:29:59] <mms_> I will clear the Xorg files
• 1062[05:30:00] <jmcnaught> mms_: how do you have both jessie and wheezy installed on the same partition?
• 1063[05:30:02] <mms_> log file I mean
• 1064[05:30:06] <mms_> then there should be just two
• 1065[05:30:07] <mms_> :-)
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• 1067[05:30:21] <mms_> jmcnaught: I did dist-upgrade
• 1068[05:30:36] <mms_> I do not know about if they need to be on different partition
• 1069[05:30:46] <mms_> old grub entry works which was wheezy
• 1070[05:30:51] <mms_> new grub entry does not work
• 1071[05:31:11] <mms_> thats how I refer to them as wheezy and jessie ? any thing wrong ?
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• 1074[05:32:44] <mms_> jmcnaught: any doubts ?
• 1075[05:33:19] <mms_> should I go ahead and do as discussed ? clear xorg log file and boot into jessie and then wheezy.
• 1076[05:33:35] <mms_> what ever files then in logs will share
• 1077[05:33:39] <jmcnaught> mms_: hold on a sec
• 1078[05:33:42] <mms_> ok
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• 1081[05:33:59] <jmcnaught> mms_: or do you have a different computer you can use for IRC?
• 1082[05:34:14] <mms_> this netbook after dist-upgrade is making some tweet sound when you type here in chat. how to disable that sound ?
• 1083[05:34:21] <mms_> I can use
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• 1086[05:34:32] <mms_> I have one more laptop
• 1087[05:34:39] <mms_> windows one
• 1088[05:34:41] <jmcnaught> mms_: if you did dist-upgrade, you upgraded the OS from wheezy to jessie (if done correctly). the grub boot option is probably just the old kernel from wheezy
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• 1090[05:35:07] <mms_> jmcnaught: it shows new line items after upgrade I guess
• 1091[05:36:49] <jmcnaught> mms_: well having a more complete /var/log/Xorg.0.log while using the new kernel would be helpful. it might be more convenient if you're on IRC with a different device, but also more difficult to share pastes
• 1092[05:37:22] <jmcnaught> mms_: i suspect that you were using proprietary video drivers that did not get compiled properly for the new kernel.
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• 1117[05:53:18] <mms_> jmcnaught: got disc
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• 1119[05:54:48] <jmcnaught> mms_: welcome back, i don't know what that means
• 1120[05:55:11] <mms_> jmcnaught: I meant I got disconnected
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• 1122[05:55:15] <mms_> :-)
• 1123[05:56:40] <mms_> jmcnaught: tell me any thoughts ?
• 1124[05:57:14] <jmcnaught> mms_: i suspect that you were using proprietary video drivers that did not get compiled properly for the new kernel.
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• 1126[05:57:57] <mms_> I also thought that but did not know how to pass that to grub boot command line
• 1127[05:58:14] <mms_> if you see old paste of mine I also provided vga line
• 1128[05:58:19] <mms_> from lspci
• 1129[05:58:48] <mms_> you need lshw for display ?
• 1130[05:59:16] <jmcnaught> mms_: oh wait you're using intel gpu so you wouldn't have proprietary drivers. any progress on getting a more complete Xorg.0.log from the new kernel?
• 1131[05:59:35] <mms_> no I have not rebooted you told to wait.
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• 1133[06:00:08] <mms_> tell me how to disabled this tweet when you direct message to me
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• 1135[06:00:31] <mms_> ok I did miessage notification off
• 1136[06:00:40] <mms_> hope it will avoid this loud tweet
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• 1138[06:01:15] <jmcnaught> mms_: i don't know what IRC client you're using, but it probably has preferences you could look at
• 1139[06:01:22] <mms_> no it did not stop tweet
• 1140[06:01:36] <mms_> its from iceweasel chatzilla
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• 1142[06:01:44] <tr0n> use irssi
• 1143[06:02:11] <jmcnaught> mms_: i use irssi. if you like guis there are lots of options. i think hexchat is popular
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• 1146[06:03:34] <Sarckz> I use hexchat, it is p good
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• 1148[06:05:34] <jhutchins> irssi in screen over ssh
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• 1150[06:06:52] <mms_> do they work from within iceweasel like chatzilla ?
• 1151[06:07:05] <tr0n> no, command line
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• 1153[06:07:32] <mms_> ok thats another things for me to learn for now let me get the X issue
• 1154[06:07:45] <mms_> jmcnaught: ?
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• 1158[06:09:06] <jmcnaught> mms_: we'd still need to see a complete /var/log/Xorg.0.log from when it fails to start. Reboot, note the time, check "ls -l /var/log/Xorg*" to find the correct log
• 1159[06:09:18] <mms_> ok
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• 1175[06:17:51] <mms_> jmcnaught: well see only one Xorg fie
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• 1177[06:18:13] <mms_> jmcnaught: apparently hung boot for 3.10 did not generate file ?
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• 1180[06:18:55] <jmcnaught> mms_: maybe it doesn't get far enough in the boot to start X? Is it a 3.10 kernel?
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• 1188[06:21:00] <bitch_ass> Hi
• 1189[06:21:11] <bitch_ass> Is it just me or Liferea isn't working anymore
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• 1192[06:21:30] <bitch_ass> I mean, Liferea does not show up when called via gui
• 1193[06:21:37] <mms_> jmcnaught: yes I would guess its 3.10
• 1194[06:21:37] <mms_> old one is 3.2
• 1195[06:21:38] <bitch_ass> Have to call it from terminal?
• 1196[06:21:40] <bitch_ass> :-/
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• 1198[06:22:12] <bitch_ass> For whatever it's worth, I'm running 1.10.12
• 1199[06:22:37] <markybob> mms_ how? jessie has 3.16
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• 1201[06:23:00] <mms_> markybob: I think its 3.16.10 ?
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• 1203[06:23:20] <markybob> so not 3.10. and we still can't get a log.
• 1204[06:23:22] <mms_> should I check some grub file to give you exact details
• 1205[06:23:35] <mms_> markybob: please tell what file to check so I can tell you exactly
• 1206[06:24:03] <jmcnaught> mms_: can you do the steps to enable persistent logging in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian ? then you'll be able to query logs for the previous boot "journalctl -b -1"
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• 1208[06:24:31] <mms_> ok let me read
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• 1213[06:26:44] <mms_> jmcnaught: setfacl command says operation not supported
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• 1216[06:28:00] <jmcnaught> mms_: what kind of filesystem is it?
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• 1218[06:29:43] <mms_> jmcnaught: ext3
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• 1222[06:31:08] <jmcnaught> mms_: okay, well you should still be able to read the journal as root if the setfacl command failed. it was trying to allow members of the "adm" group access
• 1223[06:31:23] <mms_> ok so now do what ?
• 1224[06:31:28] <mms_> shall reboot ?
• 1225[06:31:41] <mms_> and go into failure boot and then come back in here
• 1226[06:31:46] <jmcnaught> mms_: yeah
• 1227[06:32:14] <mms_> ok trying
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• 1230[06:32:58] <jmcnaught> i guess maybe i should have gotten mms_ to check that journald was available before rebooting. rebooting sucks
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• 1235[06:36:48] <anes> dear Friends , I I need some advise regarding lintian please
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• 1249[06:40:23] <mms_> markybob: its 3.16.0.4-686-pae
• 1250[06:40:45] <mms_> jmcnaught: I am rebooted and now checking journalctl -b -1 output
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• 1253[06:42:41] <jmcnaught> mms_: you can narrow it down and put the contents in a file with "journalctl --boot=-1 --unit=gdm > journalctl.txt " (or replace gdm with the xdm that you use)
• 1254[06:43:40] <jmcnaught> mms_: actually this is probably simpler: journalctl --boot=-1 /usr/bin/Xorg
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• 1264[06:47:06] <mms_> jmcnaught: I will send journalctl -b -1 > out1.txt and also journalctl -b -1 /usr/bin/Xorg > out2.txt ?
• 1265[06:47:31] <mms_> in first command I see some red lines like also related to wifi
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• 1268[06:47:42] <mms_> so both might be helpful ?
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• 1270[06:47:45] <jmcnaught> !pastebinit
• 1271[06:47:45] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
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• 1273[06:47:57] <mms_> ya I know pastebinit
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• 1278[06:48:23] <mms_> then I will do pastebinit i out1.txt
• 1279[06:48:27] <mms_> and upload it
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• 1281[06:48:28] <mms_> ya ?
• 1282[06:48:51] <jmcnaught> mms_: okay. the second one is closer to Xorg.0.log, the first one is everything
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• 1289[06:49:34] <mms_> jmcnaught: I tried second one it shows nothing
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• 1291[06:49:52] <jmcnaught> mms_: okay
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• 1294[06:50:05] <mms_> jmcnaught: so let me send just out1.txt
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• 1296[06:50:29] <jmcnaught> mms_: don't let me stop you :P
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• 1300[06:50:33] <mms_> I see quite few red lines in out1.txt so not sure if you will be able to see them in pastebi
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• 1303[06:50:40] <mms_> is there was format I need to use ?
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• 1307[06:51:13] <mms_> jmcnaught: sure you giving me needed push !
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• 1309[06:51:33] <mms_> jmcnaught: any format for pastebinit for this file output ?
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• 1315[06:52:10] <mms_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 1316[06:52:33] <bitch_ass> I don't seem to have an option to choose what happens what laptop lid is closed.
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• 1322[06:54:32] <jmcnaught> mms_: heh did you disable line numbers? "journalctl | pastebinit" doesn't do that for me
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• 1325[06:57:24] <mms_> jmcnaught: I did journalctal -b -1 > out1.txt and then I did pastebinit -i out1.txt
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• 1327[06:57:57] <mms_> you suggest I just do journalctl | pastebinit ?
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• 1329[06:58:05] <jmcnaught> mms_: the line that says "drm:i9xx_set_fifo_underrun_reporting" and onwards looks interesting
• 1330[06:58:32] <jmcnaught> mms_: yes with a pipe you can do it in one step and not have to create a file
• 1331[06:58:35] <mms_> it that related to display i915 ?
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• 1333[06:58:50] <mms_> let me send that output then
• 1334[06:59:00] <mms_> it will be easier to refer
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• 1337[07:00:28] <mms_> jmcnaught: journalctl | pastebinit did not provide proper link
• 1338[07:00:59] <jmcnaught> mms_: this is the kernel part of the video driver
• 1339[07:01:26] <mms_> ok
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• 1341[07:02:04] <mms_> replaced-url
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• 1343[07:02:41] <mms_> I did journatctl -b -1 | pastebinit
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• 1345[07:02:51] <mms_> seems its similar w/o line no.
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• 1347[07:03:18] <jmcnaught> mms_: oh well, still no line numbers. you don't have to use pastebinit if you want line numbers, but that section i pointed out is what you need to research
• 1348[07:03:24] <ZitZ> is libc6 patched in stretch? the version is still 2.21-9
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• 1354[07:05:00] <mms_> ok let me check
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• 1368[07:07:42] <mms_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 1369[07:07:48] <mms_> found this and reading
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• 1373[07:09:02] <jmcnaught> mms_: what does it look like when you start with the new kernel? does X display anything at all? do you get a virtual console, login prompt, anything?
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• 1379[07:10:54] <jmcnaught> mms_: i don't see anything about shutting down in your paste. how are you rebooting?
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• 1381[07:11:55] <mms_> jmcnaught: nothing of X I see some console lines I guess then its all blank and cannot login to virtual console tried CTRL+ALT+F1...12 and also ctrl+alt+BACKSPACE thinking if it does some thing...I type reboot....and at times I did from menu
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• 1383[07:12:21] <jmcnaught> mms_: the people in that bug seemed to have working systems, just concern about a scary warning in their logs, so it could be a red herring
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• 1385[07:12:47] <mms_> jmcnaught: when I reboot it does say some error like as if its sudden shutdown and on boot in X it does some kernel bug diagnostic being send
• 1386[07:12:55] <ZitZ> nevermind, they fixed it super fast that there's been a whole nother release since the patch
• 1387[07:13:01] <mms_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 1388[07:13:14] <mms_> jmcnaught: not sure but its reopned
• 1389[07:13:48] <mms_> my machine is hp mini 1030 NR netbook
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• 1391[07:14:55] <jmcnaught> mms_: mageia is a different distro. i meant how do you reboot the frozen system? are you yanking the power?
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• 1394[07:15:13] <mms_> jmcnaught: yes hard reboot...hold power key for 10 sec
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• 1396[07:15:31] <jmcnaught> mms_: i don't understand why your journalctl paste doesn't have anything after starting portmap.
• 1397[07:15:39] <mms_> jmcnaught: and then its will be power off and then start again with power key
• 1398[07:16:32] <mms_> jmcnaught: well I do not know either :-(
• 1399[07:17:12] <mms_> jmcnaught: is it because of -b -1 ?
• 1400[07:17:37] <jmcnaught> mms_: how long do you wait? if you run "journalctl -b -1" and go to the very end, are there more lines after the last line in the paste?
• 1401[07:18:11] <mms_> jmcnaught: it returns if I redirect to file else its interactive...its immediate...does not take long
• 1402[07:18:28] <jmcnaught> mms_: --boot=-1 "or -b -1 for short" tells journalctl which boot you'd like to look at. "--boot=0" is for the current boot
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• 1404[07:18:50] <mms_> jmcnaught: ok thanks
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• 1409[07:19:24] <mms_> jmcnaught: let me rerun without redirect and see what the end line is
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• 1413[07:19:54] <mms_> jmcnaught: endline is same portmap related
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• 1416[07:20:43] <mms_> jmcnaught: my wifi indicator is reddish in hung boot so I get feeling its due to wifi ? when wifi connects it becomes blue instead...
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• 1424[07:24:24] <jmcnaught> mms_: can't tell you the line number, but search replaced-url
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• 1426[07:24:49] <jmcnaught> mms_: can you paste "apt-cache policy firmware-b43-installer" ?
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• 1428[07:24:59] <mms_> ok
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• 1431[07:25:29] <mms_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 1432[07:26:27] <jmcnaught> mms_: hmmm.. that might not be the one you need. look at replaced-url
• 1433[07:26:29] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1436[07:27:00] <jmcnaught> mms_: it looks like you have firmwares for the wifi, but maybe they're older ones that you need to update for the jessie kernel
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• 1438[07:27:20] <darxmurf> mms_: honestly I did fight a lot with those Broadcom sh*t wifi cards...
• 1439[07:27:30] <darxmurf> you better change it for an intel
• 1440[07:27:51] <mms_> jmcnaught: so now what ? I think I used sky2 wifi driver
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• 1442[07:28:05] <darxmurf> if you can manage to install a driver, you will probably have random disconnect
• 1443[07:28:12] <jmcnaught> mms_: i don't know what that is, was it in Debian?
• 1444[07:28:26] <darxmurf> impossible to join some networks for unknown obscures reasons
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• 1446[07:29:07] <mms_> jmcnaught: I do not know I read in those logs that sky2 is there and I think in past some one had asked to choose that or intall that I do not recollect
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• 1448[07:29:28] <darxmurf> broadcom are good for ETH server interfaces but definitely forget wireless :X
• 1449[07:29:37] <mms_> darxmurf: you right I get those wifi disconnect intermittently and I have to turn off wifi and then turnon and it will work
• 1450[07:29:52] <darxmurf> can you change your wifi module ?
• 1451[07:29:58] <mms_> darxmurf: I think I also do not get good spped
• 1452[07:30:08] <darxmurf> they are bad for everything
• 1453[07:30:11] <darxmurf> even under windows
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• 1455[07:30:34] <mms_> darxmurf: if you tell I can try I do know much...I should be able to get to working state / current state on trying things out..
• 1456[07:30:43] <darxmurf> seriously, for less than 40$ you will change it for an intel one
• 1457[07:30:49] <mms_> s/do know/do not know/
• 1458[07:30:50] <darxmurf> no more problem
• 1459[07:31:08] <mms_> darxmurf: you mean I should buy new external wifi adapter ?
• 1460[07:31:13] <darxmurf> non
• 1461[07:31:14] <jmcnaught> mms_: sky2 is your ethernet module. b43 is your broadcom wireless
• 1462[07:31:22] <darxmurf> no
• 1463[07:31:27] <darxmurf> is it a laptop ?
• 1464[07:31:32] <mms_> jmcnaught: ok got it its netbook
• 1465[07:31:42] <darxmurf> which model ?
• 1466[07:31:49] <mms_> jmcnaught: you right then in past sky2 must be for eth
• 1467[07:32:03] <mms_> darxmurf: HP mini 1030 NR
• 1468[07:32:24] <mms_> there was some line related to 5G in logs
• 1469[07:32:28] <darxmurf> ha ! I had my issues with an HP mini too :D
• 1470[07:32:51] <darxmurf> I traveled one year with it, and I tried during one year to solve this issue...
• 1471[07:32:59] <darxmurf> to finally change the adapter :D
• 1472[07:33:20] <mms_> line 664
• 1473[07:33:49] <mms_> darxmurf: some how its workable in old kernel so I better make it work with new one too
• 1474[07:34:12] <mms_> jmcnaught: there is warning like 5 GHz
• 1475[07:34:26] <darxmurf> as you want :)
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• 1477[07:35:02] <darxmurf> if your laptop is out of waranty, just open it, replace the wifi module with an intel one and enjoy
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• 1479[07:35:17] <darxmurf> you just need to buy a half size module
• 1480[07:35:29] <mms_> darxmurf: its out of warranty but I do not know well how to replace parts like wifi
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• 1482[07:35:51] <mms_> darxmurf: if you know on ebay what to buy suggest please
• 1483[07:36:04] <darxmurf> I'll check
• 1484[07:36:14] <jmcnaught> mms_: Did you look at replaced-url
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• 1486[07:36:29] <darxmurf> have a look on youtube you can find some videos of guys opening this laptop
• 1487[07:36:40] <darxmurf> you need some tools and a bit of time
• 1488[07:36:48] <mms_> jmcnaught: I do not know where it came from. I did not look at that wifi recently and do not recollect either.
• 1489[07:37:53] <mms_> jmcnaught: must be at time I would have installed it but I am not sure
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• 1492[07:38:41] <mms_> jmcnaught: can we upgrade it and keep the old one so we can revert ?
• 1493[07:38:51] <mms_> jmcnaught: is that you thinking can fix ?
• 1494[07:39:33] <jmcnaught> mms_: it could be a problem, or the firmware-b43-installer package might just download the exact same files, i don't know
• 1495[07:39:48] <jmcnaught> mms_: what does "locate ucode15.fw" say?
• 1496[07:40:25] <mms_> jmcnaught: /lib/firmware/b43/ucode15.fw
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• 1498[07:40:42] <darxmurf> mms_: you need something like this replaced-url
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• 1503[07:41:51] <darxmurf> I had a "business hp mini" a this time and had to take this 5150 card due to BIOS restrictions
• 1504[07:42:02] <darxmurf> on your side I don't think they check anything on boot
• 1505[07:42:07] <jmcnaught> mms_: if you want you can copy the files in /lib/firmware/b43/ somewhere safe, then verify that your system has everything the wiki page recommends installed and up to date
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• 1507[07:42:30] <darxmurf> you can try with a 9$ card
• 1508[07:43:28] <mms_> darxmurf: will they work with HP mini 1030NR I have
• 1509[07:43:39] <mms_> I see from china for that
• 1510[07:43:53] <mms_> ok
• 1511[07:43:58] <mms_> jmcnaught: ok
• 1512[07:43:58] <darxmurf> replaced-url
• 1513[07:44:17] <darxmurf> in the worst case you will waste 9$ :D
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• 1516[07:44:26] <darxmurf> but important, half size !
• 1517[07:44:51] <jonbryan> anyone running debian on the c720 chromebook?
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• 1520[07:45:11] <darxmurf> Broadcom sucks for wireless, try to avoid it next time you buy a computer :D
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• 1522[07:45:32] <darxmurf> I tried all different kernels, drivers, tuning and all
• 1523[07:45:38] <darxmurf> tried also under windows
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• 1525[07:46:15] <choice> Hello! On my Debian 7 laptop, chrome says it does not get updated anymore because only Debian 8 is supported.
• 1526[07:46:20] <choice> How would you guys go about it?
• 1527[07:46:34] <choice> Is there an easy command to go from Debian 7 to Debian 8?
• 1528[07:46:43] <mms_> jmcnaught: not clear on what exact driver I need to install
• 1529[07:47:05] <mms_> jmcnaught: I see quite few there
• 1530[07:47:18] <mms_> darxmurf: I see replaced-url
• 1531[07:47:43] <jmcnaught> choice: check the release notes, there is a section on upgrading from wheezy to jessie. it's pretty simple, and most of it is done by a couple of apt-get commands
• 1532[07:48:23] <mms_> jmcnaught: release in /usr/share/doc ?
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• 1534[07:48:43] <choice> jmcnaught: sounds complicated. if its not just something like "apt-get install dist-upgrade" or so then maybe i just install a new Debian 8 copy from scratch?
• 1535[07:49:08] <jmcnaught> choice: it's much easier to upgrade than to reinstall from scratch
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• 1538[07:49:36] <choice> jmcnaught: well, from scratch means i download the iso, put it on the stick, reboot and hit enter a couple of times i guess.
• 1539[07:49:37] <mms_> jmcnaught: where are release notes ?
• 1540[07:49:48] <jmcnaught> choice: and it's not that complicated, for most people it is basically "apt-get dist-upgrade" (after a regular upgrade first).
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• 1543[07:50:07] <choice> jmcnaught: ok, let my try "apt-get dist-upgrade"...
• 1544[07:50:13] <jmcnaught> choice: but if you do stuff like third party repos, you'd want to check the instructions first to make sure you do it properly
• 1545[07:50:35] <mms_> replaced-url
• 1546[07:50:38] <jmcnaught> choice: or maybe it breaks because of something you didn't read the warning for, and then you have to fix it
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• 1548[07:51:11] <choice> jmcnaught: maybe. i will do this now: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 1550[07:51:49] <jmcnaught> choice: good luck.
• 1551[07:51:55] <choice> jmcnaught: thanks!
• 1552[07:52:05] <awal1> I have a lot of songs and I would like rename them all at once. song111 » song1, song222 » song2, song333 » song3, song444 » song4, song555 » song5 .... Any gui/cli application which can do that?
• 1553[07:52:13] <awal1> preferably cli
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• 1557[07:53:20] <jmcnaught> awal1: rename
• 1558[07:53:41] <mkb> you could write it in shell in 30 seconds if you know how
• 1559[07:53:52] <mkb> and if you don't and yet prefer cli, you would do well to learn shell sometime
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• 1561[07:55:23] <choice> jmcnaught: apt-get dist-upgrade did not do much. it just updated ice-dove and two packages.
• 1562[07:55:24] <mms_> jmcnaught: ok got confused about release notes message you meant for choice and I thought for me
• 1563[07:56:00] <jmcnaught> choice: ask the bot about wheezy->jessie, it says how in the topic
• 1564[07:56:11] <jmcnaught> choice: or follow the instructions in the release notes
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• 1567[07:57:05] <choice> hmm...
• 1568[07:57:09] <choice> so this is how i understand it:
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• 1571[07:57:13] <choice> 1) vim /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1572[07:57:20] <awal1> jmcnaught, oh, excuse my mistake, I meant edit audio medatata tags , not just renaming
• 1573[07:57:25] <choice> 2) change all occurances of "jessy" to weezy
• 1574[07:57:32] <choice> 3) apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 1576[07:57:35] <choice> is that right?
• 1577[07:57:56] <awal1> something like exfalso, easytag a
• 1578[07:58:08] <jmcnaught> awal1: oh i think there are tools for that too, search for them in apt
• 1579[07:58:24] <choice> meanwhile i am so 100% sure this will fail and i will end up installing from scratch anyhow...
• 1580[07:58:31] <jmcnaught> choice: no, you're missing some steps and the distros are wrong
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• 1582[07:58:45] <choice> jmcnaught: ok, then fuck it. going to install from scratch.
• 1583[07:58:51] <awal1> jmcnaught, did that yet and tried a lot of them but they all edit and re-tag songs one by one
• 1584[07:58:58] <jmcnaught> choice: Debian upgrades to major releases really well, the release notes aren't even that long
• 1585[07:59:23] <choice> how do you get a gnome 2 like interface when installing debian 8?
• 1586[07:59:29] <jmcnaught> choice: it will take you a few minutes to get through them and check a few things to make sure the upgrade will go well
• 1587[07:59:36] <choice> i remember it was quite a fight after i installed debian 7.
• 1588[08:00:00] <jmcnaught> choice: then why do you want to go through the hassle of setting everything up from scratch again?
• 1589[08:00:18] <choice> jmcnaught: because i there seems to be no easy way to update.
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• 1591[08:00:40] <jmcnaught> choice: if there's any part of those instructions that you don't get, ask about it in here
• 1592[08:00:56] <awal1> chice, gnome have 'gnome-shell' mode and 'classic mode'. classic mode is gtk3 too as the shell but with gnome2 interface look
• 1593[08:01:00] <choice> jmcnaught: if one has to read this: replaced-url
• 1594[08:01:03] <awal1> choice, ^
• 1595[08:01:10] <choice> jmcnaught: then its surely not an easy thing
• 1596[08:01:17] <mkb> choice, you know you're supposed to read the release notes before installing period right?
• 1597[08:01:34] <choice> mkb: you mean this trillion page thing? replaced-url
• 1598[08:01:39] <jmcnaught> choice: there is an easy way to upgrade. read the topic for how to message the bot about it.
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• 1600[08:02:26] <mkb> I'll admit to not reading it too, but you are _supposed_ to read the documentation
• 1601[08:02:32] <choice> jmcnaught: the bot links to this: replaced-url
• 1602[08:02:49] <choice> jmcnaught: thats laughable. no regular user ever has read this and none ever will.
• 1603[08:03:00] <infinity3> i've read about 10 different ways to upgrade
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• 1605[08:03:43] <choice> Even the headlines are hillarious. "Inform users in advance", "Prepare for downtime on services", "Debug shell during boot using initrd"...
• 1606[08:03:54] <infinity3> heh.
• 1607[08:03:59] <jmcnaught> choice: *shrug* the bot also told you the easy way. and i don't see how reinstalling from scratch every time is easier or quicker than skimming some release notes and knowing what to look out for in a major OS upgrade
• 1608[08:04:20] <infinity3> just rup apt-get dist-upgrade. works 99% of the time. that 1% is enough
• 1609[08:04:32] <choice> infinity3: i just did that. nothing happened.
• 1610[08:04:41] <infinity3> did you run apt-get update first
• 1611[08:04:52] <choice> infinity3: yes
• 1612[08:04:55] <infinity3> then you're doing it wrong :)
• 1613[08:04:57] <mkb> did you edit sources.list first?
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• 1615[08:05:05] <choice> mkb: no
• 1616[08:05:18] <choice> mkb: i wanted to. but then jmcnaught told me im a loser and dont get it.
• 1617[08:05:32] <infinity3> choice: you have to update sources.list first
• 1618[08:05:43] <infinity3> apt needs a place to know about the packages
• 1619[08:05:54] <jmcnaught> choice: i'm sorry you feel that way. next time read the instructions first.
• 1620[08:06:03] <choice> infinity3: ok, so i will change all occurances of "weezy" to "jessy" then apt-update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
• 1621[08:06:11] <infinity3> ya
• 1622[08:06:21] <infinity3> dont' forget spelling
• 1623[08:06:40] <choice> lets see....
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• 1625[08:07:40] <infinity3> i'm guessing that long upgrading guide says to search for dpkg-dist and dpkg-old and fix them
• 1626[08:07:48] <infinity3> after you're doing upgrading.
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• 1628[08:08:02] <choice> running the update now
• 1629[08:08:16] <choice> my feeling says: chances this will go wrong are 99%
• 1630[08:08:20] <infinity3> but if you're super noob, you probably won't know the difference.
• 1631[08:09:02] <infinity3> probably not... i can only thinnk of a few times it went sideways and it wasn't horible to recover.
• 1632[08:09:47] <infinity3> but hey, if it doesn't work, at least i can say ...you should of RTFM'ed .
• 1633[08:09:48] <infinity3> hah
• 1634[08:09:51] <choice> it will probably just blow up and you will tell me that its because during the preparation of users for shell debug using systemd i was not preparing a safe environment for initrd or something.
• 1635[08:10:15] <choice> and that its clearly stated on line 734844 of that trillion page document.
• 1636[08:10:32] <infinity3> no ...section XIV.3.a.1
• 1637[08:10:50] <infinity3> where you agree to give your first born to Ian
• 1638[08:11:47] <choice> it says there is an error regarding some source from dl.google.com
• 1639[08:11:54] <choice> but i cannot see that in the sources.list
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• 1641[08:11:56] <choice> what is it?
• 1642[08:12:05] <choice> probably something google chrome put somewhere.
• 1643[08:12:06] <dax> it's probably in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* somewhere
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• 1646[08:12:21] <choice> dax: should i find the line and nuke it?
• 1647[08:12:41] <dax> no idea, I've never used Chrome on Debian so I dunno how it's set up
• 1648[08:12:42] <infinity3> comment it out and fix it later.
• 1649[08:12:43] <choice> what will happen then? will chrome stay on the system without updates?
• 1650[08:13:05] <choice> i tried "apt-get purge chrome" but that seems to be the wrong name
• 1651[08:13:19] <choice> also tried google-chrome and chrome-browser.
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• 1653[08:13:33] <infinity3> look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for a file to comment a line out
• 1654[08:13:44] <choice> infinity3: wouldnt it be cleaner to uninstall it?
• 1655[08:13:44] <infinity3> then run update again and run again.
• 1656[08:13:51] <infinity3> it will uninstall if it needs to
• 1657[08:13:57] <choice> infinity3: but then i have to "fix later" something. i hate that.
• 1658[08:14:16] <mkb> it's google-chrome-stable if you want to uninstall it
• 1659[08:14:18] <infinity3> choice: when i run upgrades, i always have a cheat-sheet running of what needs fixing when i'm done.
• 1660[08:14:24] <choice> mkb: ah!
• 1661[08:14:39] <mkb> some forum google indexes says they don't build it for jessie anymore
• 1662[08:14:42] <infinity3> #1 on your list is check google chrome.
• 1663[08:14:57] <mkb> though I wonder why they couldn't put that on their own web site...
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• 1665[08:15:28] <choice> mkb: thats the whole reason im doing the dist-upgrade
• 1666[08:15:44] <infinity3> for chrome ?
• 1667[08:15:48] <choice> infinity3: yes
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• 1669[08:16:06] <infinity3> wtf? i guess. i don't have a linux GUI so i wouldn't know about that stuff
• 1670[08:16:10] <mkb> well according to replaced-url
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• 1672[08:16:32] <infinity3> chrome is snobby f-ing SOB program
• 1673[08:16:45] <mkb> I'd run a more portable web browser
• 1674[08:16:49] <infinity3> damn security natzi's ...starting to hate them
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• 1677[08:17:03] <choice> all other browsers i tried failed on some websites i use.
• 1678[08:17:12] <daica> hi people. if i set permission of a folder with chown or chmod, how do i set it back to the way it was before
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• 1681[08:17:31] <infinity3> daica: get the permissions of the file before you chown/chmod
• 1682[08:17:32] <r6ku> choice: tried chromium?
• 1683[08:17:35] <mkb> daica, do you know what it was before?
• 1684[08:17:43] <daica> yes
• 1685[08:17:48] <daica> i know
• 1686[08:17:49] <infinity3> daica: then set the permissions
• 1687[08:17:59] <daica> oh
• 1688[08:18:09] <choice> r6ku: yes, but the chromium on debian 7 is too old for my purposes. doesnt support ` syntax.
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• 1690[08:18:25] <daica> how do i get permission :)
• 1691[08:18:26] <choice> r6ku: will try if it works on debian 8.
• 1692[08:18:33] <infinity3> daica: the way you do it, is first you record them before you change the perms. once you change the perms, you'll know what to change them back to.
• 1693[08:18:38] <infinity3> ^^ I'm amazing i know
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• 1695[08:18:49] <mkb> I might regret asking, but what is the ` syntax?
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• 1697[08:19:06] <infinity3> mkb: you will.
• 1698[08:19:12] <choice> apt-get dist-upgrade is running...
• 1699[08:19:15] <infinity3> daica: sudo
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• 1702[08:19:42] <infinity3> daica: though if you ask choice, he'll tell you to run "apt-get dist-update"
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• 1704[08:19:56] <infinity3> so who knows. check the calendar for the command maybe
• 1705[08:20:03] <choice> infinity3: why would i?
• 1706[08:20:06] <daica> i got it
• 1707[08:20:07] <infinity3> or should i say tero cards.
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• 1709[08:20:10] <daica> thanks :)
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• 1711[08:20:21] <infinity3> choice: you're all about apt-get dist-upgrade.
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• 1713[08:20:33] <choice> infinity3: are you drunk?
• 1714[08:20:39] <infinity3> you'd dist-ugrade your mom if you could :)
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• 1716[08:20:51] <choice> infinity3: i take that as a yes...
• 1717[08:21:15] <infinity3> ask me another
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• 1719[08:21:51] <infinity3> the secret to all UNIX questions is: rm -rf /
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• 1722[08:22:04] <infinity3> no. don't
• 1723[08:22:07] <infinity3> STOP!
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• 1726[08:22:48] <infinity3> too late.
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• 1732[08:23:16] <slax0r> dude...that's not cool
• 1733[08:23:43] <infinity3> slax0r: the secret?
• 1734[08:23:45] <jmcnaught> infinity3: please don't do that even as a joke. people who don't know anything come here trusting the channel
• 1735[08:23:51] <slax0r> ignasio: yes
• 1736[08:23:59] <slax0r> because of what jmcnaught said
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• 1738[08:24:24] <infinity3> jmcnaught: it's not initiation ?
• 1739[08:24:57] <choice> jmcnaught: yes, we do. then we get told to read documents intended for billion dollar datacenters in the pre internet area and all trust is lost.
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• 1741[08:25:22] <jmcnaught> infinity3: no, it's not cool or funny in this context
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• 1746[08:26:19] <slax0r> choice: trust is not related with supporting laziness
• 1747[08:26:21] <jmcnaught> choice: i didn't say you had to do all the parts that you didn't think were relevant to you. i recommended checking to see if there was anything that might cause a problem
• 1748[08:26:28] <slax0r> the material is out there, we just point you to it
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• 1750[08:26:33] <slax0r> and _you_ do the work
• 1751[08:26:36] <r6ku> ^
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• 1753[08:26:40] <choice> jmcnaught: the first rule of user support is: users don't read.
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• 1756[08:27:03] <slax0r> this isn't user support, and specially not *paid* user support
• 1757[08:27:18] <slax0r> people who answer here, do so on their own free time, out of their own good will
• 1758[08:27:44] <choice> slax0r: i appreciate it. and thats why i try to help you guys understand humans.
• 1759[08:27:48] <jonbryan> lets keep it real, the only time I'll point someone to documentation is if I can't remember or don't know
• 1760[08:27:53] <jonbryan> if I know I'll tell you
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• 1771[08:31:38] <jmcnaught> or if there's a few more steps involved than a couple of quick commands. upgrading between releases in debian is easy, but it's not exactly trivial. also being prepared for potential problems is usually quicker/easier than fixing them mid-upgrade
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• 1773[08:32:00] <slax0r> choice: then let me help you understand how annoying people are, who expect everything to be served to them on a silver platter, _you_ get paid for _your_ work, do not expect me to do it for you
• 1774[08:32:19] <choice> slax0r: i do not expect anything.
• 1775[08:32:44] <jmcnaught> so personally, i don't like to mislead people that upgrading is as easy as !wheezy->jessie, because there could be issues and they are documented
• 1776[08:33:06] <choice> slax0r: you help me understand computers. i thought it would be fair if i in return help you understand humans.
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• 1778[08:33:39] <choice> and since i - as a human - was pointed to a document no human every has read and no human ever will read, i thought it might be helpful to bring that up.
• 1779[08:33:49] * themill suspects the metadiscussion is going around in circles
• 1780[08:33:51] <choice> didnt expect it to result in a fight or something.
• 1781[08:34:08] <Ozymandias117> Ooh, what document? Now I want to read it!
• 1782[08:34:09] <slax0r> so, we who read it, are not human? are we super-human?
• 1783[08:34:19] <slax0r> Ozymandias117: how to be a douche :P
• 1784[08:34:25] <mkb> I'll point out that I read (skimmed at least) the entire chapter on upgrading while you were complaining about it
• 1785[08:34:45] <themill> !mkb++
• 1786[08:35:16] <choice> slax0r: its fine to me if you consider yourself a super-human. some people might say "computer enthusiast". if they are diplomatic.
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• 1788[08:35:47] <slax0r> lost interess in this...work, later
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• 1792[08:36:11] <choice> you can't leave now. SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET!
• 1793[08:36:40] <slax0r> well then, someone else will have to correct them ;)
• 1794[08:38:12] <JyZyXEL> i just can not make NFS to work reliably on debian stable
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• 1796[08:38:25] <JyZyXEL> when you shut down a server, the client just explodes
• 1797[08:38:35] <JyZyXEL> there is no way around that that i can figure out
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• 1801[08:40:08] <JyZyXEL> perhaps sshfs is superior?
• 1802[08:40:22] <choice> JyZyXEL: what are you trying to achieve?
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• 1806[08:40:43] <JyZyXEL> robust reliable way to access a remote filesystem
• 1807[08:40:47] <choice> JyZyXEL: if you want to mount a drive on a remote machine, yes sshfs is super stable for this.
• 1808[08:41:26] <JyZyXEL> oh im glad to hear that
• 1809[08:41:28] <choice> sshfs <remote_ip>:/ /mnt/myfunkyremotemachine
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• 1811[08:41:32] <JyZyXEL> NFS has given me nothing but problems on debian
• 1812[08:41:33] <choice> ^ thats all you need
• 1813[08:41:47] <choice> sshfs <remote_ip>:/ /mnt/myfunkyremotemachine/
• 1814[08:41:56] <choice> ^ guess you also need the trailing slash at the end.
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• 1816[08:42:22] <JyZyXEL> thats only for temporary usage
• 1817[08:42:22] <choice> sometimes adding the "allow_other" parameter is useful:
• 1818[08:42:31] <choice> sshfs -o allow_other <remote_ip>:/ /mnt/myfunkyremotemachine/
• 1819[08:43:08] <JyZyXEL> for permanent solutions you would use it either via autofs or fstab
• 1820[08:43:27] <choice> probably. i never did that. i prefer scripts if i want to automate stuff.
• 1821[08:44:23] <choice> to use other means to automate things then scripts always seemed like a mistake to me.
• 1822[08:45:01] <JyZyXEL> that's already how we are doing things in debian
• 1823[08:45:15] <choice> you talked about fstab
• 1824[08:45:30] <choice> i never understood why it exists.
• 1825[08:45:39] <JyZyXEL> ...
• 1826[08:45:53] <choice> why not have all configuration of the machine as a set of scripts.
• 1827[08:45:59] <choice> seems more logical to me.
• 1828[08:46:09] <themill> choice: I think that's enough now, you're not really helping at all
• 1829[08:46:29] <choice> themill: i think different.
• 1830[08:46:30] <austin_laptop> is there anything special I need to do to get debian to boot on UEFI hardware? I've got the 8.3.0 amd64 netinst iso, which I put on a usb (using Fedora 23's disk image writer), but machine won't boot from that usb key
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• 1832[08:46:44] <austin_laptop> a burned dvd also failed
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• 1842[08:51:29] <austin_laptop> oops, it's the arm64 iso, that might be a problem :)
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• 1859[08:55:15] <awal1> austin_laptop, for uefi use amd64, it have full support since wheezy, or i386 too , since jessie. other archs have no support for uefi
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• 1865[08:56:38] <austin_laptop> awal1, this particular machine had issues when I tried it with wheezy (using amd64), while fedora 22 worked at the time. I see in the release notes that more fixes were added in Jessie. I'm downloading the testing amd64 iso now to retry (double checked it's amd64 not arm64 this time)
• 1866[08:57:23] <awal1> austin_laptop, secure boot disabled ?
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• 1869[08:59:04] <huwenfeng> Hi all, Is there anything/Filesystem/distributedFS that could just show a mount point/dir in the linux system, and whatever I put in that dir, the file is synced to other Node automatically? I just want to make the backup automatically.
• 1870[08:59:12] <huwenfeng> and I could see how many node to sync to , and how is the sync status/progress from cli or a simple web interface. Any clue about this kind of product? In Linux environment.
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• 1875[09:02:29] <austin_laptop> awal1, yes
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• 1877[09:03:31] <austin_laptop> I suspect the hardware is finicky, as tails works in UEFI as well on that hardware. Like I said, I haven't tried debian in a while there, so it's probably fixed now. The issue I was seeing was with the wrong arch
• 1878[09:03:39] <austin_laptop> new usb is formatting now, so should see soon
• 1879[09:03:40] <jmcnaught> austin_laptop: instead of using the fedora disk image writer, can you use "cp" ?
• 1880[09:04:30] <jmcnaught> austin_laptop: some of these image writers break debian isos which are specially prepared to work with "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" (where sdX is the real one)
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• 1882[09:05:18] <jmcnaught> austin_laptop: there's a chapter with more details in the install manual: replaced-url
• 1883[09:05:22] <austin_laptop> jmcnaught, I just retried with fedora 23 (and testing iso) which booted up :). Installing now
• 1884[09:05:39] <austin_laptop> very happy to have a working debian uefi
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• 1921[09:29:32] <zwarag> Any Idea why booting takes so long? DMESG Dump here: replaced-url
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• 1925[09:30:52] <somiaj> zwarag: you can edit /etc/default/grub, remove quiet from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=, run update-grub and reboot, this way you can see all the processes that are loaded at boot. Sometimes gives a better idea what is taking so long
• 1926[09:30:58] <somiaj> I think systemd has a boot anaylize script too
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• 1928[09:31:21] <zwarag> Okey, I'll try that
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• 1930[09:31:43] <towo^work> systemd-analyze blame
• 1931[09:31:45] <somiaj> you can also check the systemd-analyze
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• 1936[09:33:28] <zwarag> Well, systemd-analyze blame shows a list where the longest entry is docker with 500ms
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• 1938[09:33:54] <zwarag> uhh, but without blame, I see that the "userspace" took over 3 minutes to load
• 1939[09:33:55] <choiceless> Ok, so apt-get dist-upgrade finished and now after rebooting I end up in a terminal. No more X. Nothing.
• 1940[09:34:07] <choiceless> Is this it? Wipe and install from scratch?
• 1941[09:34:25] <somiaj> choiceless: what did you dist-upgrade to from? What version of debian do you run
• 1942[09:34:34] <somiaj> choiceless: if it boots into a console, you should be able to recover/fix it
• 1943[09:34:38] <choiceless> somiaj: it was debian 7, now it is debian 8
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• 1945[09:34:58] <somiaj> choiceless: what graphics drivers were you using for x?
• 1946[09:35:51] <choiceless> somiaj: i have no idea
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• 1949[09:36:13] <somiaj> well if it boots into a termainl you are probabaly fine, just got to track down the issue and fix your xorg/display manager
• 1950[09:36:23] <choiceless> somiaj: ah yeah, easy :)
• 1951[09:37:23] <choiceless> so which button do i press?
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• 1953[09:37:52] <choiceless> which command do i type?
• 1954[09:37:58] <choiceless> which magic spell should i cast?
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• 1959[09:38:55] <somiaj> choiceless: start looking at /etc/X11/Xorg.0.conf, and see what errors you can find
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• 1961[09:39:38] <choiceless> there is no such file
• 1962[09:39:50] <towo^work> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 1964[09:40:27] <choiceless> towo^work: last line says "server terminated successfully. (0). Closing log file"
• 1965[09:40:42] <towo^work> paste the whole file on a pastebin
• 1966[09:40:53] <choiceless> towo^work: how?
• 1967[09:41:09] <towo^work> apt install pastebinit && pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 1969[09:41:47] <choiceless> my mother told me to not paste stuff i dont understand to the internet
• 1970[09:41:55] <choiceless> anything i should look for in that file?
• 1971[09:41:56] <somiaj> arg, its tired, yea /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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• 1974[09:42:39] <choiceless> somiaj: /etc/X11/ exists, but no xorg.conf
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• 1977[09:43:06] <towo^work> choiceless, what is your problem with paste that logfile
• 1978[09:43:07] <somiaj> choiceless: what about any flies in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
• 1979[09:43:19] <towo^work> choiceless, if you wnat to get help, do it
• 1980[09:43:21] <choiceless> towo^work: i dont know. maybe it contains unique identifiers or something.
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• 1982[09:43:53] <choiceless> somiaj: there is no xorg.conf.d/
• 1983[09:44:25] <somiaj> choiceless: what happens if you run 'startx' as your main user (don't run this as root)
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• 1985[09:45:28] <choiceless> somiaj: screen blinks. then it gets back to the terminal. prints a bunch of chinese backwards. last line is "xinit: server error"
• 1986[09:45:54] <choiceless> one funny line says "xinit: giving up"
• 1987[09:46:10] <somiaj> choiceless: okay, look at the Xorg.0.log file, unless I see some error messages I can't guess what of the many things the problem is
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• 1990[09:46:55] <choiceless> somiaj: should i look for the first error or for the last?
• 1991[09:47:23] <choiceless> funny, i have been using debian since 2002 and this is my first dist-upgrade.
• 1992[09:47:40] <choiceless> everybody always told me "naah, dist upgrades go smoothly" :)
• 1993[09:47:45] <somiaj> they are sometimes related, you will get far better help if you just paste your log file
• 1994[09:48:00] <somiaj> for the most part they do. I have a machine with sid on it that was installed in 2006
• 1995[09:48:03] <choiceless> somiaj: my mom does not allow me to paste stuff to the internet.
• 1996[09:48:16] <choiceless> unless i clearly understand what it is.
• 1997[09:48:34] <somiaj> choiceless: then you are on your own, we cannot help you much more with out seeing that log file
• 1998[09:48:43] <choiceless> ok
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• 2000[09:48:50] <choiceless> will install from scratch.
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• 2002[09:49:24] <somiaj> seeing errors really (in their full form) really lets us figure out what the problem is to give decent advise.
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• 2004[09:50:46] <choiceless> looks like the machine has no internet either
• 2005[09:51:50] <choiceless> "apt-get install pastebinit" spits out a huge wall of text
• 2006[09:52:12] <choiceless> "ping debian.org" says "unknown host debian"
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• 2008[09:52:42] <somiaj> choiceless: try ping 8.8.8.8
• 2009[09:52:42] <TomTomTo1> no ethernet connection handy?
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• 2016[09:54:00] <choiceless> somiaj: that does something strange... it hangs for a while and then spits out "From .... Destination Host Unreachable". But ... is not 8.8.8.8
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• 2018[09:54:08] <choiceless> TomTomTosch: you mean a cable?
• 2019[09:54:20] <TomTomTosch> choiceless, yes.
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• 2021[09:54:46] <choiceless> TomTomTosch: i dont think so. maybe somewhere on the attic. i dont know.
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• 2026[09:57:07] <choiceless> hmm.. that might also bite me in the ass when i try to install from scratch.
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• 2028[09:57:51] <choiceless> i remember getting internet connection was some kind of major drama when i installed debian 7.
• 2029[09:57:53] <somiaj> choiceless: What is your network card? wireless?
• 2030[09:58:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1596
• 2031[09:58:04] <somiaj> choiceless: just use the unoffical firmware installer
• 2032[09:58:06] <choiceless> somiaj: yes
• 2033[09:58:07] <somiaj> !firmware iamges
• 2034[09:58:16] <somiaj> !firmware images
• 2035[09:58:16] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 2039[09:59:11] <choiceless> somiaj: ok, bookmarked
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• 2041[09:59:39] <choiceless> somiaj: what means "unofficial"?
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• 2044[09:59:53] <somiaj> choiceless: it just means it contains software not found in debian main on it
• 2045[10:00:01] <choiceless> hmm.. ok.
• 2046[10:00:05] <babilen> (i.e. non-free software)
• 2047[10:00:07] <somiaj> i.e it contains the nonfree firwmare
• 2048[10:00:21] <choiceless> ok
• 2049[10:00:53] <choiceless> so i will "cat firmware-8.3.0-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/sdb" to create an usb stick and boot from that, right?
• 2050[10:01:00] <babilen> They are still build and maintained by the Debian project and not by an untrusted third-party
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• 2052[10:01:14] <choiceless> babilen: ok. good to know.
• 2053[10:01:16] <somiaj> choiceless: that will work, but I would suggest cp debian.iso /dev/sdb
• 2054[10:01:33] <choiceless> somiaj: you mean cp instad of cat?
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• 2056[10:01:41] <somiaj> choiceless: yes
• 2057[10:01:44] <choiceless> ok
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• 2059[10:01:58] <choiceless> from the iso-cd folder, right?
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• 2061[10:02:12] <somiaj> choiceless: won't matter if you give a full (or realtive) patch
• 2062[10:02:16] <choiceless> no sure what bt-cd, jidgo-cd and list-cd are...
• 2063[10:02:28] <choiceless> somiaj: i mean on this page: replaced-url
• 2064[10:02:36] <choiceless> not sure what the folders are.
• 2065[10:02:39] <somiaj> choiceless: different ways of downloading them that isn't just putting a large load on the mirror
• 2066[10:02:55] <choiceless> ok
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• 2069[10:03:13] <somiaj> choiceless: iso-cd gives you the actual images, the other are various files for torrent, etc
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• 2071[10:03:15] <TomTomTosch> choiceless, may i ask what processor you have?
• 2072[10:03:26] <choiceless> TomTomTosch: how do i figure it out?
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• 2074[10:04:11] <TomTomTosch> choiceless, cat /proc/cpuinfo >> model name please.
• 2075[10:04:41] <choiceless> TomTomTosch: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU
• 2076[10:04:48] <choiceless> 800MHZ
• 2077[10:05:00] <choiceless> two of them i guess
• 2078[10:05:08] <somiaj> choiceless: two cores
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• 2080[10:05:16] <choiceless> ok
• 2081[10:05:32] <somiaj> choiceless: you could probably use amd64 intead of i386, though which one you want depends on your usage
• 2082[10:05:39] <choiceless> looks to me like they support 1.4GHZ but are running at 800MHZ at the moment.
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• 2085[10:06:00] <choiceless> somiaj: usage? i just watch porn mainly.
• 2086[10:06:01] <somiaj> choiceless: that is just power savings. the processor drops to 800 until you put a load on it
• 2087[10:06:34] <choiceless> so yeah, i do put load on it.
• 2088[10:06:37] <somiaj> choiceless: was more saying that most go with 64bit installs these days, usually those who choose 32bit have a specific usage.
• 2089[10:06:53] <choiceless> is it a 64bit machine?
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• 2091[10:07:36] <choiceless> i think it is running a 32bit debian at the moment.
• 2092[10:08:01] <somiaj> your processor supports both 32 and 64bit so you can choose [and actually with multiarch run 32bit apps from a 64bit kernel]
• 2093[10:08:39] <somiaj> I think that is why TomTomTosch was asking about your processor since you were looking at 32bit install images
• 2094[10:08:41] <choiceless> i think i remember that 32bit is better unless you have a gatitrillion gigabytes of ram.
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• 2101[10:10:01] <choiceless> "free" says "total: 1969136"
• 2102[10:10:10] <choiceless> i never understood the output of free though.
• 2103[10:10:16] <somiaj> There are many other differences. Better is subjective. Some software (specifically 3rd party) use to only supply 32bit versions. But with multiarch you can now run them from 64bit install.
• 2104[10:10:16] <choiceless> so i never figured out how much ram i have.
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• 2106[10:10:32] <somiaj> choiceless: free -h
• 2107[10:10:33] <TomTomTosch> i just found it strange, i386 seems so obsolete nowadays. but limited ram is a reason to go with it, yes :)
• 2108[10:11:03] <choiceless> well, i only run chrome. on debian 8 i might use chromium.
• 2109[10:11:23] <TomTomTosch> google dropped support for 32 bit chrome.
• 2110[10:11:31] <choiceless> TomTomTosch: really?
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• 2112[10:11:54] <somiaj> yea google-chrome no longer has 32bit repos for debian. If you want to use google-chrome you'll proabalby awnt amd64
• 2113[10:11:55] <TomTomTosch> yes. chromium builds on all arches supported by debian though.
• 2114[10:12:12] <choiceless> ok... "rm firmware-8.3.0-i386-netinst.iso"
• 2115[10:12:21] <somiaj> anyways now days unless you have a specific reason I would suggest amd64
• 2116[10:12:23] <choiceless> just when i finished downloading...
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• 2118[10:12:33] <choiceless> ok
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• 2120[10:12:59] <choiceless> strange, the 64 bit iso is way smaller.
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• 2122[10:13:14] <TomTomTosch> that's the netinstall not the cd image :P
• 2123[10:13:27] <choiceless> TomTomTosch: yeah, but the 32 bit iso was too, right?
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• 2129[10:14:05] <choiceless> i386 was 334M and the amd64 is 265M
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• 2138[10:15:35] <TomTomTosch> hm, true. but there is some different non-free firmware for i386 and amd64.
• 2139[10:15:52] <choiceless> ok
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• 2141[10:16:15] <choiceless> so how will i get a desktop environment for the desktop?
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• 2143[10:16:34] <TomTomTosch> you will be able ti pick during install.
• 2144[10:16:36] <choiceless> debian 7 looked like the gui was meant for a telephone after i installed it.
• 2145[10:16:50] <choiceless> TomTomTosch: and which will i pick?
• 2146[10:16:57] <choiceless> gnome2 was perfect for me
• 2147[10:17:05] <humbot> bah
• 2148[10:17:13] <TomTomTosch> mate is the continuation of gnome2
• 2149[10:17:28] <choiceless> TomTomTosch: ok. will i be able to pick mate?
• 2150[10:17:46] <somiaj> choiceless: if you like gnome2 pick mate. Cinimon is a gnome-shell fork many seem to like.
• 2151[10:17:59] <babilen> dpkg: install mate
• 2152[10:17:59] <dpkg> To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
• 2153[10:18:03] <choiceless> somiaj: yeah, i heard about cinamon but never treid it.
• 2154[10:18:04] <babilen> (not that I'd recommend it)
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• 2156[10:18:31] <somiaj> choiceless: at the end of the install it will ask you to select some additional packages. Make sure you select 'mate' it is in the list under desktop enviroments.
• 2157[10:18:40] <choiceless> somiaj: ok
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• 2166[10:21:05] <choiceless> ok, thanks everybody! have to get to do some work now. will install debian 8 later in the day or tomorrow.
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• 2168[10:22:17] <TomTomTosch> somiaj, you have the patience of a saint x)
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• 2176[10:25:48] <latpaw_> hello?
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• 2178[10:26:17] <babilen> latpaw_: Consider yourself greeted in style
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• 2180[10:26:55] <TomTomTosch> i, too, like lionel richie.
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• 2182[10:27:32] <latpaw_> i am trying to use irssi, newbee
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• 2186[10:28:04] <humbot> i like irssi, but if i was new i'd probably try weechat instead
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• 2189[10:28:40] <latpaw_> ok, let me see weechat
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• 2243[10:48:45] <DebTest6> i wonder about a thing
• 2244[10:48:57] <DebTest6> i'm searching for a robust and secure dns server to be used as blocker
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• 2247[10:49:13] <DebTest6> basically i really would like it could read regexp for domain names
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• 2250[10:49:45] <DebTest6> so i can block for example every domains that end in .com, just for example
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• 2252[10:50:05] <DebTest6> *.com ---> 127.0.0.1
• 2253[10:50:11] <bugnuts> DebTest6, openBSD
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• 2255[10:50:26] <DebTest6> bugnuts: openbsd?
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• 2257[10:50:34] <DebTest6> bugnuts: is an os not a dns server ^^'
• 2258[10:51:05] <DebTest6> bugnuts: i'm in debian, my choices are bind, dnsmasq, unbound..
• 2259[10:51:06] <bugnuts> its a dam good firewall/ips/router
• 2260[10:51:18] <themill> bugnuts: not helpful
• 2261[10:51:23] <DebTest6> unbound seemed like one of the best but seemingly it doesn't support regexp in names
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• 2267[10:53:10] <DebTest6> should i use bind ?
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• 2272[10:53:48] <DebTest6> i just need to use it locally for check some domain names to cut out otherwise i forward the queries to OpenDNS
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• 2275[10:55:29] <jelly> DebTest6: dns cache/recursor?
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• 2277[10:55:36] <jelly> or authoritative dns?
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• 2280[10:56:15] <DebTest6> jelly: i guess just a cache/recursor, it's for my local lan, it doesn't handle anything, he just blocks some domains and let pass others by forwarding the requests
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• 2282[10:56:45] <jelly> DebTest6: pdns-recursor has lua filters
• 2283[10:56:51] <Iridos> hm, opendns sounds much nicer as a name than it turns out as a service
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• 2286[10:57:18] <jelly> ,v pdns-recursor
• 2287[10:57:20] <judd> Package: pdns-recursor on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.2-4; squeeze-security-lts: 3.2-4+deb6u1; wheezy: 3.3-3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.3-3+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 3.6.2-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.6.2-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.6.2-2+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 3.7.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.7.3-1; sid: 4.0.0~alpha1-3
• 2288[10:57:24] <DebTest6> Iridos: it was nicer before getting bought by Cisco.. btw 208.67.222.222
• 2289[10:57:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o eir
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• 2292[10:57:46] <jelly> DebTest6: use the build from backports or upstream's .debs
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• 2294[10:58:18] <DebTest6> pdns-recursor (3.6.2-2+deb8u2)
• 2295[10:58:20] <jelly> the one in jessie is rather outdated.
• 2296[10:58:22] <DebTest6> this is not good?
• 2297[10:58:26] <jelly> no.
• 2298[10:58:33] <DebTest6> :( i hate use things from backports..
• 2299[10:58:40] <jelly> not if you want lua.
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• 2302[10:59:33] <Iridos> it's a pity /etc/hosts doen't allow regexps or globs
• 2303[10:59:34] <jelly> I'm using upstream's own .deb builds to manage 6kq/s
• 2304[10:59:44] <Iridos> doesn't*
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• 2308[11:00:41] <krion> hi
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• 2310[11:00:48] <DebTest6> jelly: i see, instead just for question.. bind9 is so bad ? replaced-url
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• 2312[11:01:06] <krion> i'm using debmirror, and from time to time i'm having error like this
• 2313[11:01:19] <krion> Release file for replaced-url
• 2314[11:01:24] <jelly> DebTest6: I have a strong preference for separated recursor and auth servers.
• 2315[11:02:15] <jelly> bind ... is kind of a reference implementation that has everything and the kitchen sink
• 2316[11:02:49] <Iridos> I wish I had a kitchen sink
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• 2319[11:04:25] <DebTest6> Iridos: jelly : well if is this kitchen sink... replaced-url
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• 2322[11:05:34] <Iridos> what is it that you want to block?
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• 2324[11:06:28] <DebTest6> Iridos: massive list of ads, tracking stuff and some other major TLDs
• 2325[11:07:07] <DebTest6> Iridos: i was even thinking of block pratically everything with the except of a huge whitelist of domains i use
• 2326[11:07:37] <Iridos> well, probably not feasible, but interesting... iptables itself could already do substrings between the domain-dots replaced-url
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• 2330[11:08:07] <Iridos> you usually don't block that stuff at the dns query level already
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• 2332[11:08:38] <DebTest6> Iridos: wow :D
• 2333[11:08:42] <DebTest6> Iridos: nasty stuff
• 2334[11:08:57] <Iridos> seems so
• 2335[11:08:58] <DebTest6> Iridos: but this will lead a huge amount of timeouts on client side? isn't it ?
• 2336[11:09:02] <MaBunny> hey guys is there a program to send smses to android phones?
• 2337[11:09:09] <DebTest6> Iridos: because the dns will just refuse to reply the client
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• 2340[11:10:16] <Iridos> seems likely
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• 2342[11:11:35] <krion> [ 0%] Getting: dists/jessie-backports/Release... #** GET replaced-url
• 2343[11:11:43] <krion> seems ok tough...
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• 2346[11:13:03] <MaBunny> i found a program called gnokii tht sends SMSes to nokia mobiles
• 2347[11:13:07] <Iridos> DebTest6, heh... that sounds like the lamest excuse since the cold war replaced-url
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• 2349[11:13:29] <MaBunny> thts some old dinosaur,thought if theres something like tht for android mobiles
• 2350[11:14:58] <Iridos> then you thought to ask #debian because android mobiles run debian?
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• 2356[11:15:39] <MaBunny> no no, i mean is there a program to send SMSes to android phones
• 2357[11:16:26] <Iridos> why would the phone type you send an sms to matter?
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• 2359[11:16:45] <MaBunny> i dont kno
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• 2361[11:17:04] <DebTest6> Iridos: lol xD for real
• 2362[11:17:08] <MaBunny> i just need a program to send smses to other phones
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• 2364[11:17:29] <DebTest6> MaBunny: man generally the thing works this way
• 2365[11:17:39] <MaBunny> i saw the gnokii program in the repos
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• 2367[11:17:40] <DebTest6> MaBunny: in order to send sms to phones you have to go through a carrier
• 2368[11:17:50] <MaBunny> thought theres a same one for androids
• 2369[11:18:00] <DebTest6> MaBunny: this requires you buy credit from them
• 2370[11:18:21] <bdog7> MaBunny, look in app store at "mysms"
• 2371[11:18:41] <DebTest6> MaBunny: lot of the carriers just give apis to send sms
• 2372[11:18:48] <MaBunny> but cant i use the network/LAN to send smses? i really dont kno
• 2373[11:18:49] <TomTomTosch> there are APIs you can use for that but they are not free and involve signing up with a service.
• 2374[11:19:07] <bdog7> you need an active sim in a android
• 2375[11:19:16] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, ah, i don't think sms means what you think it means.
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• 2377[11:19:28] <MaBunny> ok,so my thought was stupid
• 2378[11:19:41] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, you can send a mail easily.
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• 2381[11:20:42] <MaBunny> yes?
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• 2384[11:21:43] <TomTomTosch> yep.
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• 2411[11:32:59] <MaBunny> ok guys,is there a way to access my gmail account via a program on my debian or
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• 2413[11:33:27] <MaBunny> is there a program to create a email account on my system
• 2414[11:33:38] <bdog7> iceweasel?
• 2415[11:33:52] <Cloudwalker42> MaBunny: Use Postfix as MTA
• 2416[11:33:57] <rozie> mutt
• 2417[11:33:58] <rozie> (;
• 2418[11:34:23] <MaBunny> whats a MTA?
• 2419[11:34:30] <Cloudwalker42> rozie: Mutt only act as a MUA not as a MTA
• 2420[11:34:33] <bdog7> mail transport Agent
• 2421[11:34:35] <MaBunny> and mutt?
• 2422[11:34:41] <themill> it might be worthwhile working out what your question really is
• 2423[11:34:43] <bdog7> Mail User Agent
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• 2425[11:35:10] <MaBunny> ok thnx :)
• 2426[11:35:18] <Cloudwalker42> MaBunny: Mail Transfer Agent
• 2427[11:35:20] <MaBunny> but which one is graphical, MUA or MTA
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• 2430[11:35:37] <MaBunny> thnx
• 2431[11:35:37] <Iridos> DebTest6, well... seems to me like ijb/privoxy ... a dns proxy (well cacher) would make a lot of sense to suppress some sites... also seems like there is none. maybe because dns servers are somewhat complicated
• 2432[11:35:39] <mavhq> surely you want a user agent, and then use imap
• 2433[11:35:43] <rozie> he wants to access gmail. replaced-url
• 2434[11:36:06] <mavhq> MaBunny: do you want to use a text or graphical email program?
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• 2437[11:36:23] <Cloudwalker42> Mabunny: im not really sure what u need ... do you need an application to display all mails, write mails and and and or do you need a personal mail server
• 2438[11:36:25] <bdog7> but he also wants to "create an account"
• 2439[11:36:30] <MaBunny> graphical
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• 2441[11:36:55] <MaBunny> no
• 2442[11:37:06] <bdog7> I like claws-mail or icedove
• 2443[11:37:09] <MaBunny> i will create an account later
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• 2445[11:37:20] <mavhq> I suggest thunderbird then
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• 2447[11:37:24] <Cloudwalker42> Mabunny: Use mutt as a console MUA and Thunderbird as an graphical MUA
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• 2449[11:37:32] <Cloudwalker42> mavhq: right
• 2450[11:37:34] <mavhq> and connect to gmail with imap? or is there a better way?
• 2451[11:37:37] <bdog7> mavhq, debian has icedove
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• 2453[11:37:45] <MaBunny> ok
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• 2458[11:38:55] <mavhq> but you really miss out on a lot of gmail features
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• 2462[11:40:07] <MaBunny> ok guys, seems tht ive to download Postfix,but will Evolution let me access my gmail account?
• 2463[11:40:34] <MaBunny> it seems to be the only email client on my debian, i dont hav enough space
• 2464[11:40:45] <MaBunny> only 7 gb left
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• 2466[11:41:05] <DebTest6> Iridos: i was thinking what about the opposite?
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• 2468[11:41:11] <bdog7> MaBunny, there are heaps of clients
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• 2472[11:41:29] <DebTest6> Iridos: is possible to likely allow only some domains to get resolved? by providing a huge whitelist of domains i need and have them resolved?
• 2473[11:41:32] <DebTest6> Iridos: only those ones
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• 2475[11:41:49] <MaBunny> maybe i can uninstall Evolution later too :)
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• 2477[11:43:15] <bdog7> of course
• 2478[11:43:20] <MaBunny> ok i will install icedove
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• 2480[11:44:34] <MaBunny> but will it allow me to access multiple email accounts?
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• 2482[11:44:47] <bdog7> yes
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• 2484[11:45:03] <MaBunny> ok thnx :)
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• 2486[11:45:56] <MaBunny> also what is the command on apt to uninstall a package?
• 2487[11:46:17] <Iridos> DebTest6, that would mean a lot of hassle every time you go to hosts that you have not been to before?
• 2488[11:46:51] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, you can use man <command> to find out more about the command.
• 2489[11:46:56] <bazhang> !wiki
• 2490[11:47:14] <MaBunny> ok
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• 2492[11:47:35] <bazhang> MaBunny, have you seriously not read the debian help/wiki for such very basic things
• 2493[11:47:42] <bdog7> MaBunny, apt-get remove packagename
• 2494[11:47:56] <bazhang> MaBunny, it's apt install package and apt remove package
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• 2496[11:47:59] <Iridos> DebTest6, well, you must have seen replaced-url
• 2497[11:48:37] <Iridos> if it can be prevented, I would try not to touch bind9... even with a 7-foot ethernet cable on a stick
• 2498[11:48:53] <MaBunny> no guys, i kno the apt-cache search,apt-get update and apt-get install commands only
• 2499[11:48:59] <MaBunny> didnt kne apt-get remove
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• 2501[11:49:40] <bdog7> MaBunny, maybe the noobish distro is better for U
• 2502[11:50:03] <DebTest6> Iridos: lol you really hate bind
• 2503[11:50:05] <r6ku> MaBunny: try 'man apt-get', man saves lives
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• 2507[11:51:17] <MaBunny> :)
• 2508[11:51:17] <Iridos> DebTest6, nono, it's fine if you have a couple of days to figure it out
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• 2511[11:51:31] <Iridos> or at least one full day or so
• 2512[11:52:00] <Iridos> it may also help if you're told about it by someone who isn't completely clueless...
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• 2514[11:53:08] <Iridos> anyway, bind9 can do a lot of pretty complex things which one might not learn about... at least not all of them
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• 2522[11:55:57] <tparcina> I can't access samba share after server restart.
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• 2524[11:56:48] <MaBunny> guys hav u tried git?
• 2525[11:56:50] <tparcina> I have restarted samba and winbind services, but no luck.
• 2526[11:57:17] <tparcina> Error I see in log is: Failed to verify incoming ticket with error NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE!
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• 2528[11:57:56] <tparcina> I have googled for that error, and it returns plenty of results.
• 2529[11:58:39] <tparcina> And so far I couldn't find one with the same problem.
• 2530[11:58:51] <bazhang> try #git MaBunny
• 2531[11:59:05] <tparcina> Most of them are having problems with one Win comp, or one Win version.
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• 2533[11:59:26] <MaBunny> ok
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• 2535[11:59:40] <tparcina> All my computers are Win 7, and none of them can access samba share on this server.
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• 2538[12:00:19] <tparcina> I would appreciate any info how to troubleshoot this issue.
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• 2541[12:03:13] <joff> guys
• 2542[12:03:19] <joff> hi
• 2543[12:03:25] <joff> I am having a problem installing guest editions on my ubunto vm
• 2544[12:03:32] <joff> basically When I mount de ISO
• 2545[12:03:35] <joff> the*
• 2546[12:03:39] <DebTest6> Iridos: time ago i remember having setup a bind9 server for something similar is not so bad
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• 2548[12:03:45] <joff> I try to execute autorun.sh and I get 'permission denied' eventough I am root
• 2549[12:03:51] <joff> help?
• 2550[12:03:59] <joff> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
• 2551[12:04:04] <namespace> Don't spam channel.
• 2552[12:04:41] <bdog7> too many newbs making me face palm......... back another time
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• 2554[12:04:49] <bazhang> #vbox joff
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• 2617[12:36:35] <gypsymauro> hi
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• 2619[12:37:12] <gypsymauro> I've a problem with openvpn server on debian 8, the init.d script for some reason forgot the --writepid option, how can I debug a init.d script?
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• 2640[12:47:08] <gypsymauro> but systemd doesnt' uses init.d scripts?
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• 2642[12:48:05] <musca> gypsymauro: debian systemd does
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• 2656[12:58:37] <grawity> not for openvpn, though
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• 2666[13:00:43] <teraflops> You can always use a custom systemd service. I do it in debian for several ones
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• 2669[13:01:30] <grawity> I don't have deb8 at hand, but I checked a server that runs testing, and it already has a native /lib/systed/system/openvpn@.service
• 2670[13:01:54] <grawity> although, systemd doesn't technically *need* a pidfile in this case
• 2671[13:02:41] <teraflops> Yeah i have it in stable
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• 2693[13:13:00] <TheOnlyBouncer> good day
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• 2695[13:13:41] <TheOnlyBouncer> i have a Lenovo Yoga laptop and after a upgrade to kernel 4.4.0-1 it get's stuck on 'loading initial ramdisk' anything i can do to find out what is wrong?
• 2696[13:14:10] <TheOnlyBouncer> older Kernels do boot, though there is a issue with the entire system freezing up after a while (could be changes in the graphics driver after a update recently)
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• 2700[13:16:11] <TheOnlyBouncer> so 4.3 does boot
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• 2702[13:16:51] <jelly> TheOnlyBouncer: if you're running testing or unstable, ask in #debian-next channel over on the irc.oftc.net network
• 2703[13:17:05] <TheOnlyBouncer> jelly, meh.. will do
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• 2705[13:17:30] <jelly> ,kernels
• 2706[13:17:31] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-rc4-686 (4.5~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.2-3); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.5-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u3)
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• 2760[13:40:47] <kotten_> Hello all' this is probably a stupid question but. How do i "properly" validate that my debian iso have the correct Checksum?
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• 2765[13:41:28] <kotten_> Just downloading it is basic(insecure) http and it references to a .sign file that is also over an unsecure line
• 2766[13:41:30] <rory> kotten_: Tak a look here replaced-url
• 2767[13:41:52] <kotten_> that means an MITM could "easily" change both files during transit
• 2768[13:42:03] <rory> Get the hash file on a different connection
• 2769[13:42:06] <rory> if you want to be paranoid
• 2770[13:42:12] <rory> Or just Google the md5 hash
• 2771[13:42:19] <rory> If there are results on the official Debian website, then it's fine
• 2772[13:42:19] <themill> the MITM can't get the gpg signature right
• 2773[13:42:40] <themill> (no need for any further dancing or other channels)
• 2774[13:42:42] <rory> they could put a fake signature up on their MITM version of debian.org
• 2775[13:42:59] <themill> no, it wouldn't be signed by the right key
• 2776[13:43:04] <rory> Googling the hash is legitimately the best way
• 2777[13:43:12] <rory> Yeah but you wouldn't know what the right key was
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• 2780[13:43:33] <themill> the right key is on the https link you just posted
• 2781[13:43:49] <rory> yes but if they're MITMing you connection they'd replace that too
• 2782[13:43:50] <themill> (and is also in the debian-archive-keyring package on debian or any derivative)
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• 2784[13:44:02] <themill> no, then the http*s* connection would fail
• 2785[13:44:03] <rory> If you want to be paranoid, Google the hash, or download the hash on a different connection
• 2786[13:44:11] <rory> You can MITM https connections too
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• 2788[13:44:32] <themill> not unless you have more computing resources than the NSA
• 2789[13:44:39] <rory> Is it a work PC?
• 2790[13:44:44] <themill> (heard of cert pinning?)
• 2791[13:44:46] <rory> It's technically possible, that's my point
• 2792[13:44:56] <rory> And you seem to care enough about this to worry about technically possible things
• 2793[13:45:01] <kotten_> thanks for your input
• 2794[13:45:04] * themill is not woried
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• 2796[13:45:13] <rory> wait there's two of you
• 2797[13:45:18] <themill> I know full well that the signature is correct and I can walk the WOT to it
• 2798[13:45:20] <rory> sorry, your nicks happened to be the same length and colour
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• 2818[13:55:00] <Kyoshiro> hi
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• 2821[13:56:03] <Kyoshiro> I upgraded an old and slow server to debian jessie, and it doesn't boot anymore, failing to mount /home. I'm using LVM for both rootfs and /home (not /boot), and /dev/mapper/sysvg-root is ok, but /dev/mapper/sysvg-home does not exist (when I boot in emergency mode)
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• 2825[13:56:33] <Kyoshiro> I have to manually do vgchange -aay && vgscan --mknodes to get the device created
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• 2830[13:57:11] <Kyoshiro> I tried to activate debug-shell.service but it's not providing the promised shell on tty9 which also hangs / cycles through a few services locked by /home mount failure
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• 2832[13:57:50] <Kyoshiro> I enabled debug log but it logs nothing to dmesg or /var/log/syslog / messages / kern.log
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• 2837[13:58:13] <Kyoshiro> I'm a bit stuck and I don't know how to debug this failure if anyone can help
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• 2847[14:01:26] <jelly> Kyoshiro: that's rather weird considering both are in the same VG
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• 2849[14:02:05] <Kyoshiro> yeah
• 2850[14:02:20] <Kyoshiro> and what's even weirder is that upgrade worked on another system but not this one
• 2851[14:02:36] <Kyoshiro> but it's a much slower machine, so maybe systemd is not waiting long enough some services to load ?
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• 2853[14:03:22] <Kyoshiro> but I don't see how I can debug this having no log written nor active console during failure :/
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• 2862[14:04:32] <Kyoshiro> I tried regenerating initramfs from emergency shell but no luck
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• 2868[14:05:04] <Kyoshiro> lvs displays the logical volumes missing but they're inactive, and no device created
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• 2879[14:09:36] <jelly> Kyoshiro: are you using UUIDs or /dev/mapper/stuff in /etc/fstab?
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• 2886[14:12:33] <Kyoshiro> /dev/mapper stuff
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• 2888[14:12:55] <Kyoshiro> either /dev/mapper/sysvg-home or /dev/sysvg/home directly don't remember but I'll check
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• 2918[14:26:33] <Kyoshiro> jelly, should I use uuids instead of mapper links ?
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• 2921[14:27:14] <jelly> Kyoshiro: probably not, I think /dev/mapper/vg-lv is safer
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• 2925[14:27:41] <jelly> or at least it used to be safer with sysvinit. No idea about systemd's fstab generator thing
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• 2928[14:28:15] <Kyoshiro> hmm yeah I though so too
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• 2944[14:35:09] <karlpinc> Kyoshiro: So, / works but not /home. Which leaves you where? System up but unable to login? Have you unpacked the intiramfs and checked the lvm config stuff in /etc/lvm/? (I can't remember whether that even matters at all.) Just thinking out loud.
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• 2948[14:36:31] <Kyoshiro> yeah / works not /home
• 2949[14:36:42] <Kyoshiro> I'm stuck in a systemd loop unable to finish boot
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• 2951[14:36:58] <Kyoshiro> systemd seems to loop on 6 to 9 services
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• 2953[14:37:15] <Kyoshiro> probably services which depend on local-fs and thus /home
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• 2955[14:37:41] <Kyoshiro> I checked /etc/lvm.conf and did an update-initramfs -u
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• 2959[14:38:08] <Kyoshiro> the problem is it's searching for /dev/mapper/sysvg-home which is nonexistent
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• 2961[14:38:31] <karlpinc> Kyoshiro: Yeah. Just wondering if something odd is happening. When debugging step 1 is always checking to see if things are "plugged in". In this case that means that the initramfs has in it what you think it does.
• 2962[14:38:35] <Kyoshiro> when I boot in emergency mode I can do manually vgchange -ay sysvg && vgscan --mknodes then I'm able to mount /home
• 2963[14:39:00] <Kyoshiro> yeah ofc ^^ I'll try to unpack it never did that though
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• 2967[14:39:14] <Kyoshiro> although I don't understand, I tried to activate debug-shell but I cannot get a shell
• 2968[14:39:17] <karlpinc> Kyoshiro: I think it might be cpio. I forget.
• 2969[14:39:33] <Kyoshiro> I'm remote on an IPMI and when I do alt+f9 I get to the tty9 with the same loop and no shell
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• 2971[14:39:46] <karlpinc> Kyoshiro: "file" is your friend when unpacking.
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• 2974[14:40:27] <Kyoshiro> yeah ok
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• 2976[14:40:52] <Kyoshiro> how can I get that debug-shell. service to work with a remove IPMI/ILO ?
• 2977[14:40:53] <karlpinc> Kyoshiro: Gotta also wonder if the kernel documentation does not have some kernel arg or another that might somehow help, if you
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• 2980[14:41:04] <karlpinc> 're right about your timeout thought.
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• 2993[14:49:55] <gypsymauro> musca, grawity_ this means that systemd doesn't uses pid files but that .service file? but there are some tools like webmin that uses that pidfile
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• 3011[14:56:51] <blind> and on the list of ways to not get help...
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• 3059[15:21:27] <Kyoshiro> karlpinc, I tried it all everything looks fine
• 3060[15:21:44] <Kyoshiro> but I can't get past the mount phase with systemd
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• 3062[15:21:49] <Kyoshiro> I tried booting in sysvinit mode
• 3063[15:21:54] <Kyoshiro> it works like a charm
• 3064[15:22:19] <Kyoshiro> systemd is stuck in a loop of endelessly killing and restarting journald and not logging anything to the damn filesystem
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• 3066[15:22:35] <Kyoshiro> and not allowing me a root shel even with debug-shell.service enabled ...
• 3067[15:22:39] <Kyoshiro> so I cannot debug a thing :(
• 3068[15:23:05] <Kyoshiro> the only way I get a shell is with "emergency" in linux boot command
• 3069[15:23:14] <Kyoshiro> but it's not loading anything so I cannot debug either
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• 3086[15:31:51] <jelly> Kyoshiro: you're allowed to keep using sysvinit
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• 3089[15:32:32] <Kyoshiro> yeah but I'd rather not if it's destined to rot in a dumpster ^^
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• 3093[15:34:13] <dagerik> I need to resize a partion after I have incresed storage device in my VM. how can I do this with confidence
• 3094[15:34:36] <dagerik> all the talk of sylinders, bliocks makes me unconfident
• 3095[15:35:08] <James_Epp> Is the partition at the end of the disk or otherwise?
• 3096[15:35:16] <mtn> dagerik: resize a partition in your vm or on the hard drive?
• 3097[15:35:25] <dagerik> vm
• 3098[15:35:46] <markybob> dagerik: the easiest gui way is use gparted live cd
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• 3101[15:35:58] <mtn> markybob: for a vm?
• 3102[15:36:01] <James_Epp> Exactly what I was going to recommend.
• 3103[15:36:08] <James_Epp> #gparted
• 3104[15:36:12] <markybob> mtn: sure
• 3105[15:36:28] <James_Epp> mtn: Is there any reason not to? I do it regularly.
• 3106[15:36:41] <mtn> James_Epp: never tried it. good to know
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• 3131[15:50:16] <Kyoshiro> does this mean systemd is not carved in stone of debian's future ?
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• 3135[15:51:31] <Kyoshiro> btw it has a huge design flaw imho, you can't have a different shutdown "order" than reverse boot one ^^
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• 3152[15:57:44] <dahunt> hmmmm I'm a bit of a debian newbie.... and certainly a jessie newbie.... but how do i go about assigning a secondary (virtual) IP address to eth0 in the config files? i.e. dchcpcd.conf...
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• 3156[15:59:21] <Kyoshiro> in /etc/network/interfaces define a new eth0:0 zone (replace eth0 with the name of your interface)
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• 3158[15:59:46] <Kyoshiro> you would usually need only address other-ip and netmask 255.255.255.255 in that section
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• 3160[16:00:03] <dahunt> i don't think that works in jessie. /etc/network/interfaces has no effect i don think...
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• 3162[16:00:39] <dahunt> I'll try again.. maybe i misconfigured it when i tried it...
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• 3170[16:04:36] <Iridos> I think firefox/iceweasel has nothing like the task manager in chromium, right?
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• 3175[16:04:55] <Iridos> you can only kill the whole damn thing... or close all tabs until you by chance hit the correct one
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• 3187[16:10:43] <TomTomTosch> yep. chromium also has one process per tab, so i think a task manager was easy to implement x)
• 3188[16:11:10] <TomTomTosch> bit of a fork bomb.
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• 3198[16:13:51] <Iridos> oha. seems switching off javascript and reloading open pages that I didn't want to close yet brought cpu-usage down
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• 3201[16:14:06] <tuxx> hey guys.. when packaging a deb do i need an init file or a service file, or both?
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• 3203[16:14:15] <tuxx> i'm packaging for jessie only btw
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• 3206[16:14:22] <tuxx> does systemd call init files?
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• 3211[16:15:03] <Debianer> hellp
• 3212[16:15:14] <Debianer> problem with the debian
• 3213[16:15:16] <Iridos> dunno... IMO, in general, scripts should stop as soon as the window loses focus... and you should be able to whitelist exceptions where other behavior makes more sense (mail.google.com or the likes where you may want to get incoming messages)
• 3214[16:15:29] <Debianer> anyone good here
• 3215[16:15:46] <Debianer> private please!
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• 3219[16:16:35] <Iridos> tuxx, iirc yes, if you register the ini files with them (but as I understood, systemd doesn't require them)
• 3220[16:16:35] <Wulf> Good Morning!
• 3221[16:16:36] <Debianer> Wulf
• 3222[16:16:38] <Debianer> hello
• 3223[16:16:41] <Debianer> can you help me
• 3224[16:16:42] <Debianer> ?
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• 3227[16:16:55] <Wulf> Debianer: yep. You've got a bug on line 17, column 5
• 3228[16:16:59] <bazhang> ask in the channel Debianer
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• 3230[16:17:18] <TomTomTosch> Debianer, stop spamming please. ask your question and please read the channel guidelines.
• 3231[16:17:22] <Iridos> Debianer, we don't do private couseling. if you have a question ask it in a manner that it can be answered. and stop with all those meta questions
• 3232[16:17:30] <Debianer> sorry
• 3233[16:17:38] <Debianer> problem with the network
• 3234[16:17:46] <Debianer> cant get work network
• 3235[16:17:54] <Iridos> oh, that's easy... plug in the cable into the network
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• 3237[16:17:59] <Iridos> °next
• 3238[16:18:01] <Iridos> !next
• 3239[16:18:01] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 3240[16:18:03] <Wulf> What was the channel again where I can ask about packaging?
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• 3243[16:19:01] <TomTomTosch> Wulf, #debian-mentos on irc.oftc.net i believe.
• 3244[16:19:01] <Iridos> Wulf, depends... you can ask here... there's #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net who mainly help if you're new at packaging for the debian archives (but may also answer others)
• 3245[16:19:13] <TomTomTosch> s/mentos/mentors
• 3246[16:19:16] <tuxx> Iridos: who is them?
• 3247[16:19:23] <Iridos> hmm, debian-mentos... sounds tasty
• 3248[16:19:32] <bazhang> what version of debian Debianer
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• 3253[16:20:08] <Wulf> Iridos: I'm not packaging for official archives
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• 3258[16:22:02] <Debianer> 10.04
• 3259[16:22:24] <dahunt> @Kyoshiro: thx!.. i must have messed up the config prior... working now!
• 3260[16:22:27] <bazhang> thats ubuntu Debianer
• 3261[16:22:35] <Wulf> Debianer: and it's old. Update.
• 3262[16:22:38] <Debianer> sure
• 3263[16:22:40] <Debianer> how
• 3264[16:22:43] <Debianer> without
• 3265[16:22:48] <Debianer> internet ?
• 3266[16:22:56] <bazhang> they are telling you in #ubuntu Debianer
• 3267[16:22:59] <Wulf> I wish you didn't have internet.
• 3268[16:23:00] <bazhang> thats how
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• 3271[16:23:40] <Iridos> oh yes, he was also crossposting
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• 3274[16:24:02] <Iridos> it's never enough to ask non-questions in just one channel, is it.
• 3275[16:24:05] <Kyoshiro> yw dahunt :)
• 3276[16:24:48] <Debianer> hmmm
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• 3310[16:41:40] <acer> My system keeps crashing -kernel panic. I think my coworkers are playing tricks. How can I disable any/all remote actions?
• 3311[16:42:00] <tuxx> any debian packagers here?
• 3312[16:42:22] <tuxx> i am packaging a binary file for which i dont have sources, and lintian says i need to add it to missing-sources
• 3313[16:42:26] <tuxx> i dont know what that means
• 3314[16:42:28] <jelly> acer: disconnect the network cable and kill wifi?
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• 3318[16:42:57] <jelly> </troll>
• 3319[16:42:59] <acer> jelly, yeah true, but is there a way but still be online
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• 3321[16:43:17] <acer> I guess I need to do some iptables commands to see what ports are listening
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• 3324[16:43:28] <jelly> acer: which debian release do you have installed?
• 3325[16:43:42] <acer> Linux deb 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6 (2015-11-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 3331[16:45:34] <jelly> that looks like debian 8
• 3332[16:45:51] <jelly> !debian suite
• 3333[16:45:51] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
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• 3344[16:50:55] <acer> debian 8.2
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• 3348[16:52:04] <acer> If my computer crashes, then I restart and check dmesg, will I see anything there or does dmesg start fresh on start up?
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• 3350[16:52:23] <Iridos> dmesg is a ring buffer that is only in memory
• 3351[16:52:48] <Iridos> you could try netconsole or serial console. the latter requires to order some hardware
• 3352[16:52:51] <Iridos> dpkg, netconsole
• 3353[16:52:51] <dpkg> netconsole is a Linux kernel driver which logs kernel <printk> messages over UDP. It is commonly used to capture system crash information. replaced-url
• 3354[16:53:00] <acer> I think my problem might be with pepper flash or chromium cause I see the "ah span" crash often
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• 3357[16:53:31] <acer> Iridos, thx
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• 3359[16:54:26] <Iridos> that doesn't sound like a kernel panic
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• 3362[16:54:32] <Iridos> try logging in via ssh to the machine
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• 3365[16:55:15] <Iridos> supposing you mean "Aw, Snap!"
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• 3381[17:02:20] <acer> yep chromium crashes again
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• 3408[17:12:59] <nikeee_> Hi
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• 3448[17:27:03] <nikeee_> Hi, I have a process with a startup script. However, whenever I kill it, it revives immediately with a different PID. Which tool could I use to debbug that ?
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• 3450[17:27:13] <Debianer> sorry
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• 3453[17:27:24] <Debianer> Can anyone help
• 3454[17:27:31] <nkuttler> nikeee_: can you tell us which process?
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• 3456[17:27:39] <nkuttler> nikeee_: and who owns it?
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• 3459[17:28:19] <nikeee_> a user defined on purpose for tyhis process
• 3460[17:28:29] <nikeee_> the process is a direct child of init
• 3461[17:28:51] <Wulf> nikeee_: add a sleep at the start
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• 3466[17:30:14] <jelly> nikeee_: why are you killing it instead of stopping the service?
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• 3470[17:31:01] <nikeee_> jelly: because same thing happens when I stop the service
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• 3472[17:31:27] <nikeee_> Wulf: why that ? Same behavior when I kill it
• 3473[17:31:41] <Wulf> nikeee_: yes, but then you can debug it
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• 3475[17:31:47] <jelly> nikeee_: pastebin your init script and output of "systemctl status name-of-service-here"
• 3476[17:32:13] <jelly> !paste
• 3477[17:32:14] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 3496[17:35:54] <nikeee_> jelly: replaced-url
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• 3499[17:37:09] <jelly> nikeee_: and status?
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• 3502[17:38:28] <nikeee_> jelly: transmission-daemon start/running, process 6709
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• 3504[17:39:15] <jelly> nikeee_: make sure the init script is not masked by an existing systemd unit definition for the same service. if your service is from debian's package there will be a /lib/systemd/system/transmission-daemon.service
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• 3506[17:39:53] <nikeee_> jelly: # service transmission-daemon status
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• 3508[17:40:05] <jelly> that's not what I asked for
• 3509[17:40:19] <Debianer> ok
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• 3512[17:40:27] <Debianer> help
• 3513[17:40:30] <nikeee_> jelly: replaced-url
• 3514[17:41:00] <jelly> nikeee_: pastebin [...] and output of "systemctl status name-of-service-here"
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• 3516[17:41:23] <jelly> nikeee_: did you get that last part?
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• 3518[17:41:51] <jelly> Debianer: help with what?
• 3519[17:41:53] <nikeee_> jelly: Yeah, there is a script indeed
• 3520[17:41:53] <jelly> !ask
• 3521[17:41:53] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3524[17:42:06] <jordanm> looks like the systemd unit has "restart=always", when you probably want "restart=onerror"
• 3525[17:42:40] <Debianer> help
• 3526[17:42:42] <jelly> jordanm: I'd still expect the stop action to do its work.
• 3527[17:42:43] <Debianer> with network
• 3528[17:42:45] <nikeee_> jelly: replaced-url
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• 3530[17:43:37] <Debianer> jelly
• 3531[17:43:44] <mtn> Debianer: you have to ask a real questions, with some details. look at what dpkg just said
• 3532[17:43:44] <jelly> nikeee_: PLEASE. OUTPUT. "systemctl status transmission-daemon" OF.
• 3533[17:43:47] <Debianer> jelly
• 3534[17:43:52] <jelly> Debianer: yes?
• 3535[17:44:01] <Debianer> Need help with network
• 3536[17:44:03] <jelly> Debianer: read what dpkg bot said, please.
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• 3539[17:44:24] <jordanm> jelly: in the paste stop was not used, kill -9 was
• 3540[17:44:25] <Debianer> I have problem with network here
• 3541[17:44:31] <Debianer> is that better
• 3542[17:44:44] <jelly> Debianer: that's fuck all better.
• 3543[17:44:50] <Debianer> ok good
• 3544[17:44:52] <jelly> !ask
• 3545[17:44:52] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 3546[17:45:00] <Debianer> so jelly
• 3547[17:45:00] <TomTomTosch> Debianer, you already asked us, #ubuntu, #ubuntu again. pls stick to asking one channel at a time.
• 3548[17:45:04] <jelly> Debianer: English. Can you read it?
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• 3550[17:45:14] <nikeee_> jelly: systemctl command not found
• 3551[17:45:48] <Durbinator> hi guys, can anyone help me debug getting a daemon up and running from init.d?
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• 3553[17:45:55] <jelly> nikeee_: interesting. ls -ld /bin/systemctl .... is the command there?
• 3554[17:46:03] <Durbinator> or point me at where to get useful diagnostics
• 3555[17:46:12] <nikeee_> jelly: apt-get install systemctl -> Unable to locate package
• 3556[17:46:47] <nikeee_> jelly: I'm running Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS actually
• 3557[17:46:52] <jelly> nikeee_: I'm going to ask you to follow instructions carefully, do precisely what we ask you, and not do anything else in the meantime.
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• 3561[17:47:26] <jelly> nikeee_: oh, in that case you're in the wrong channel. You want #ubuntu channel.
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• 3563[17:47:49] <nikeee_> jelly: alright, thank you anyway
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• 3565[17:48:15] <jelly> ubuntu is very different from debian in important ways
• 3566[17:48:27] <nikeee_> jelly: ok
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• 3569[17:48:41] <jelly> Durbinator: which debian release are you using?
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• 3573[17:48:59] <nikeee_> jelly: gonna try to figure it out now that i found the existence of the second init script. Thanks. Bye
• 3574[17:48:59] * jelly sometimes forgets to ask that question _first_
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• 3579[17:49:13] <Scuttle_> Hm, is anyone using a MS DHCP-server together with preseeding? Need help to get it to announce the url to the config-file...
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• 3582[17:49:22] <Durbinator> debian 8 on a raspberry pi
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• 3584[17:49:39] <jelly> Durbinator: how did you install it?
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• 3586[17:49:56] <jelly> Durbinator: or, do you know which init system your installation uses?
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• 3588[17:51:08] <Durbinator> all i need is an init.d script to start deluged and deluge-web, as the systemd scripts didnt work
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• 3590[17:51:59] <Durbinator> i'm trying to work out why the "WebUI/New Script" script from this page doesnt work: replaced-url
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• 3594[17:52:41] <Durbinator> rapbian image installed, was all working fine until i tried to migrate to systemd (after deleting the init.d script) and am now trying to revert
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• 3614[17:59:28] <Debianer> Need help with network
• 3615[17:59:30] <jelly> Durbinator: well... if you have raspbian installed you probably want to ask in #raspbian channel
• 3616[17:59:49] <jelly> Debianer: no, you need to learn how to ask questions
• 3617[18:00:02] <Debianer> jelly what I need to do to get support regarding my problem?
• 3618[18:00:15] <jelly> Debianer: phrase your issue like this:
• 3619[18:00:17] <jelly> !ask
• 3620[18:00:17] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3623[18:00:55] <Debianer> I have problem with ubuntu 10.04 after the update network was stop to work
• 3624[18:01:08] <towo`> here is debian
• 3625[18:01:09] <Debianer> popey was help me and its was work
• 3626[18:01:12] <towo`> not ubuntu
• 3627[18:01:15] <Debianer> its same
• 3628[18:01:18] <matthiaskrgr> hi, I'm having a problem with ___ and am running debian ___.
• 3629[18:01:20] <Debianer> debian is ubuntu
• 3630[18:01:21] <jelly> !ubuntu
• 3631[18:01:21] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 3632[18:01:26] <towo`> and 10.04 is out of support in ubuntu too
• 3633[18:01:33] <Debianer> sure
• 3634[18:01:35] <jelly> Debianer: it's not same, ask in #ubuntu
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• 3636[18:01:43] <Debianer> but its also debian
• 3637[18:01:47] <Debianer> kernel is same
• 3638[18:01:47] <towo`> no
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• 3640[18:01:51] <Debianer> what no
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• 3646[18:01:59] <towo`> and it's out of discuss
• 3647[18:02:40] <jelly> moving on...
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• 3652[18:04:38] <Durbinator> ok, one question which should be OS independant. If i'm running an init.d script to start a service and its stating "starting (via systemctl)", is that correct/expected?
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• 3655[18:05:08] <Durbinator> well, distro independant, not OS
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• 3668[18:11:52] <jelly> Durbinator: the kind of question "is this output normal" really depends on the components used in the particular OS
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• 3671[18:12:36] <jelly> if you were running actual debian, at least someone here could try to do the same thing and confirm or deny it
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• 3748[18:34:59] <_br__> Anyone here using OpenVSwitch and Xen+HVM ? Having some trouble getting the networking to work correctly and no idea how to debug it...
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• 3796[18:51:13] <de-facto> another fight with systemd: when i run "systemctl start stunnel4" it started 18 minutes ago, for now that command seems without any effect (active (exited) 18 min ago). Well how can i force systemd to attempt to start it?
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• 3798[18:52:01] <mentor> de-facto, It sounds like it did start it, but the command exited.
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• 3801[18:52:25] <de-facto> yes 18 minutes ago
• 3802[18:52:25] <grawity> de-facto: stop it, then start it again
• 3803[18:52:34] <de-facto> but it doesnt seem to attempt to start it again
• 3804[18:52:40] <grawity> sounds like your stunnel4.service is just the autogenerated wrapper around /etc/init.d/stunnel4
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• 3806[18:53:16] <grawity> and I think I remember when they had to cripple the auto .services to avoid breaking a few peculiar init.d scripts
• 3807[18:53:30] <grawity> i.e. had to disable the checking of whether the thing is actually running
• 3808[18:53:33] <de-facto> damn i hate systemd, you have to stop (although it did not run) to start??
• 3809[18:53:37] <de-facto> that was it
• 3810[18:53:39] <mentor> de-facto, Presumably, it thinks it didn't work, and so is not simply repeating it not working over and over again
• 3811[18:53:42] <de-facto> totally counter intuitive
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• 3813[18:53:46] <checkerrss> hello
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• 3816[18:53:58] <grawity> for normal .services that does not happen
• 3817[18:54:00] <checkerrss> Hello
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• 3820[18:54:07] <checkerrss> is there a way to connect with an windows root over RDP ? from my linux machine?
• 3821[18:54:16] <grawity> checkerrss: freerdp, or rdesktop
• 3822[18:54:18] <mentor> checkerrss, There are many RDP clients
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• 3831[18:56:34] <checkerrss> freerdp
• 3832[18:56:38] <checkerrss> there isn an error with perl
• 3833[18:56:45] <checkerrss> does rdesktop need perl
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• 3835[18:57:00] <mentor> checkerrss, apt-cache show freerdp
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• 3837[18:57:11] <mentor> checkerrss, Have you considered fixing the error with perl?
• 3838[18:57:18] <de-facto> can i somehow define for systemd that everytime it should run "start" it actually really runs "stop" and then "start" ?
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• 3840[18:57:25] <checkerrss> im waiting its still in progress
• 3841[18:57:32] <grawity> that's called "systemctl restart"
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• 3843[18:57:37] <checkerrss> but i read that there is an error with perl
• 3844[18:57:47] <mentor> de-facto, The problem with the init.d script; write a unit file for the service.
• 3845[18:57:53] <checkerrss> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
• 3846[18:57:54] <checkerrss> perl
• 3847[18:57:54] <checkerrss> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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• 3849[18:58:25] <mentor> checkerrss, There's probably a more explanatory error just slightly above that
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• 3855[18:59:19] <checkerrss> rdesktop also needs perl -.-
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• 3857[18:59:36] <grawity> it's not that it needs perl
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• 3859[18:59:49] <checkerrss> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten des Paketes perl (--configure):
• 3860[18:59:50] <checkerrss> Paket perl ist nicht bereit zur Konfiguration
• 3861[18:59:50] <dpkg> checkerrss: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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• 3863[18:59:51] <grawity> it's that perl installation failed previously and dpkg is hoping to finish it now
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• 3865[19:00:02] <checkerrss> kann nicht konfiguriert werden (momentaner Status »half-installed«)
• 3866[19:00:03] <checkerrss> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
• 3867[19:00:03] <checkerrss> kann nicht konfiguriert werden (momentaner Status »half-installed«)
• 3868[19:00:03] <checkerrss> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
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• 3871[19:00:15] <grawity> checkerrss: could you run `LC_ALL=C dpkg --configure -a` and *pastebin* the output
• 3872[19:00:15] <checkerrss> sorry
• 3873[19:00:32] <mentor> checkerrss, It sounds like rdesktop and/or freerdp installed successfully
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• 3879[19:01:35] <mentor> checkerrss, It's also worth reading the output yourself
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• 3881[19:01:45] <checkerrss> yeah
• 3882[19:01:48] <checkerrss> perl is half installed
• 3883[19:01:54] <checkerrss> thats what i think
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• 3903[19:07:37] <de-facto> i knew restart command but sometimes systemd just makes me hate it because it behaves against intuition (here calling "/etc/init.d/stunnel4 start" claiming systemd started stunnel4.service though such a file does not exist on the whole system, then actually not even attempting to start it, then requiring to run "systemctl stop stunnel4" before even attempting to start it etc pp) anyhow thanks guys
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• 3942[19:17:42] <s5fs> yeah systemd is certainly a piece of weird tech sometimes :D
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• 3948[19:20:41] <mentor> checkerrss, Have you pastebinned the output?
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• 3957[19:22:36] <checkerrss> no
• 3958[19:22:39] <checkerrss> but it works
• 3959[19:22:40] <checkerrss> :D
• 3960[19:22:49] <checkerrss> rdesktop works well
• 3961[19:22:52] <mentor> checkerrss, Perl fixed too?
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• 3963[19:23:00] <checkerrss> no there was no output
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• 4026[19:43:43] <twosharp> Hello. I have a problem with Jessie, AMD and Plymouth. I have installed drivers from AMD website and followed replaced-url
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• 4029[19:44:01] <twosharp> If I dont add it, Plymouth does not work
• 4030[19:44:19] <towo`> then don't use plymouth
• 4031[19:44:32] <DammitJim> what do you guys use for a cdn on Debian?
• 4032[19:44:40] <towo`> and if you want it, use radeon instead of fglrx-crap
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• 4034[19:45:08] <twosharp> wow, thats an awesome answer towo`
• 4035[19:45:14] <towo`> why?
• 4036[19:45:23] <towo`> plymouth works great with radeon
• 4037[19:45:35] <towo`> and radeon works great with amd graphics
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• 4039[19:45:41] <twosharp> I use fglrx-crap to get some real OpenCL performance wich radeon does not
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• 4049[19:47:03] <twosharp> is it possible to use fglrx instead of radeon during boot?
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• 4051[19:48:11] <towo`> there is no KMS it fglrx
• 4052[19:48:17] <towo`> s/it/in
• 4053[19:48:28] <twosharp> the computer is useless if I'm using radeon. After login all actions involving graphics will freeze the computer, e.g. opning a browser. I need to do a hard reset to fix it.
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• 4055[19:49:09] <teraflops> .. and you cannot switch graphics driver that way youre asking
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• 4057[19:49:32] <zinx> twosharp: don't think you can use radeon, but you might be able to use vesafb or something
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• 4061[19:50:19] <zinx> twosharp: my advice is to not worry about the boot and just wait patiently for X to get pretty graphics :P
• 4062[19:50:20] <teraflops> is about priorities, what do you want more, opencl or an animation during boot?
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• 4064[19:50:41] <twosharp> zinx: do you have a link to point me in the right direction? Will vesafb replace radeoen during boot?
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• 4067[19:51:18] <twosharp> I want it to look nice so I can rub it to my Windows-only collegues
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• 4069[19:51:36] <twosharp> They always talk shit about linux looking like crap and beeing cryptic
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• 4071[19:51:55] <towo`> zinx, why should radeon not work?
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• 4073[19:52:55] <teraflops> zinx: radeon does KMS so it's fine I suppose (im talking about plymouth)
• 4074[19:53:02] <zinx> towo`: uses the hardware more directly than vesafb, and vesafb's been designed to hand over graphics to X pretty much, whereas i doubt radeon has (since it has an X driver, it most likely is only designed for that driver)
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• 4076[19:53:42] <towo`> zinx, can't follow you
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• 4078[19:53:59] <towo`> since he has amd graphics, radeon fits exact
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• 4080[19:54:15] <zinx> towo`: except that he wants to use it only for fbcon, and not X. he wants to use fglrx for X.
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• 4082[19:54:55] <towo`> zinx, does not make sense
• 4083[19:55:02] <towo`> but it's your turn
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• 4090[19:57:20] <twosharp> I would love to use radeon if it had more than ~40% of the performance of fglrx. Compared on my system radeon give me 1800M calculations per sec compared to 4300M on fglrx.
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• 4098[20:00:07] <twosharp> zinx: I have an i7-3770K with integrated graphics, would it be possible to use this for confb and fglrx for X?
• 4099[20:00:08] <storm> Hello?
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• 4103[20:00:47] <Guest69948> Any suggestions for a laptop to run Debian?
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• 4106[20:01:18] <blind> pretty much any?
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• 4109[20:01:35] <teraflops> Guest69948: perhaps grab the iso with the additional firmware
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• 4111[20:01:54] <towo`> i would avoid optimus laptops
• 4112[20:02:10] <Guest69948> I was thinking about a x230 i5.
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• 4114[20:02:32] <teraflops> thinkpads are fine I guess
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• 4117[20:03:06] <twosharp> I have an Intel i7-3770K CPU with integrated graphics, would it be possible to use this for plymouth and fglrx for X?
• 4118[20:03:19] <towo`> no
• 4119[20:03:35] <Guest69948> Do you think the i5-3320M would be ok for gnome 3?
• 4120[20:03:43] <towo`> sure
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• 4122[20:03:52] <Guest69948> hmm
• 4123[20:03:55] <teraflops> Guest69948: yeah
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• 4126[20:04:23] <Guest69948> Care if I link an ebay link here?
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• 4131[20:05:07] <teraflops> with the laptop specs? I guess is ok
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• 4134[20:05:19] <Guest69948> Yeah
• 4135[20:05:34] <Guest69948> replaced-url
• 4136[20:05:35] <Aebian> can I tell debian to use another resolution instead of 1600 x 900? My laptop screen has 1600 bz 900 but its closed and Im connected to the laptop via teamviewer. Should I use SSH with X Server for that?
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• 4138[20:06:16] <mkb> xrandr?
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• 4140[20:06:24] <rlange> twosharp: you have a laptop w/ an intel cpu (with integrated graphics) and an AMD gpu?
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• 4142[20:06:30] <mkb> if you've got GNOME or something there's probably a GUI too
• 4143[20:06:53] <Aebian> I have gnome /*cinnamon
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• 4145[20:07:14] <twosharp> rlange: Its an workstation
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• 4149[20:08:04] <rlange> twosharp: ah, i see. well, i use a laptop with an i7 (w/ integrated graphics) and an nvidia gpu, so your mileage may vary, but
• 4150[20:08:13] <twosharp> rlange: i guess desktop would be more correct. the CPU has integrated HD4000 graphics
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• 4152[20:08:18] <Guest69948> So do you think that thinkpad would be good for debian with gnome 3?
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• 4154[20:08:33] <rlange> optimus works just fine for me, using integrated graphics for X and basic stuff and using optirun for processes that need to use the gpu
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• 4158[20:10:36] <teraflops> Guest69948: sure, you may consider an SSD for better performance
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• 4160[20:11:05] <Guest69948> I'm curious as to how well it'll perform on a mobile cpu.
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• 4164[20:12:47] <Guest69948> Any recommendations for a laptop for debian with gnome 3? teraflops?
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• 4166[20:13:28] <Guest69948> If I had to, I'd move to xfce.
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• 4168[20:13:34] <Aebian> mkb: was able to set the resolution in teamviewer, that worked for me. But thx anyway
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• 4170[20:13:57] <irc-ape> bad uncle is inserting his penis into 10 year old girl's vagina causing her to moan in agony because they both are niggers
• 4171[20:14:00] <irc-ape> burn all jews in oven
• 4172[20:14:02] <irc-ape> allahu akhbar
• 4173[20:14:05] <irc-ape> death to infidels
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• 4175[20:14:21] <irc-ape> BURN ALL JEWS IN GAS OVEN
• 4176[20:14:32] <teraflops> twosharp: i do bumblebee (optimus) I use the intel GPU for all the things and I do CUDA stuff with the nvidia gpu. That said Im not sure about the igpu/AMD setup you have since I do not have that hw
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• 4181[20:15:00] <teraflops> Guest69948: perhaps if you are more specific...
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• 4183[20:15:20] <Guest69948> teraflops: More specific on what?
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• 4186[20:15:30] <irc-ape> teraflops BURN ALL JEWS IN OVEN
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• 4189[20:15:40] <teraflops> Guest69948: in what youre asking
• 4190[20:15:45] <blind> abrotman or jelly around? >_>
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• 4193[20:15:53] <Guest69948> teraflops: Just programming and general usage.
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• 4196[20:16:12] <teraflops> the laptop you linked looks fine
• 4197[20:16:15] <twosharp> My laptop has optimus too, and is working nicely, but desktop has no such feature i think
• 4198[20:16:26] <cra1g321> !mods
• 4199[20:16:40] <cra1g321> !mod
• 4200[20:16:40] <irc-ape> jewish infidels are raping innocent palestinian children
• 4201[20:16:49] <irc-ape> death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels
• 4202[20:16:49] <irc-ape> death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels
• 4203[20:16:55] <teraflops> just ignore the troll
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• 4205[20:17:12] <irc-ape> death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to
• 4206[20:17:12] <irc-ape> infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels death to infidels
• 4207[20:17:14] <twosharp> what troll? :D
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• 4209[20:17:29] <Guest69948> teraflops: Any other suggestions though?
• 4210[20:17:39] <irc-ape> burn all jews in gas oven ####burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ####burn all jews
• 4211[20:17:40] <irc-ape> in gas oven ####burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ####
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• 4214[20:17:50] <teraflops> Guest69948: thinkpads are fine for running linux
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• 4216[20:18:28] <Guest69948> teraflops: So I've heard. haha
• 4217[20:18:36] <irc-ape> burn all jews in gas oven ####burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ####burn all jews
• 4218[20:18:36] <irc-ape> in gas oven ####burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ####
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• 4220[20:18:55] <teraflops> Guest69948: even older thinkpads are better in that regard imo
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• 4224[20:19:49] <irc-ape> burn all jews in gas oven ####burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ####burn all jews
• 4225[20:19:49] <irc-ape> in gas oven ####burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ######burn all jews in gas oven ####
• 4226[20:19:51] <TomTomTosch> !ops irc-ape spamming
• 4227[20:19:52] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch complains about: irc-ape spamming
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• 4229[20:20:07] <LoRez> d/csq irc-ape
• 4230[20:20:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +q *!*@85-76-140-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi
• 4231[20:20:11] <noid-> wtf
• 4232[20:20:13] <cra1g321> ah i thought it was !mods
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• 4235[20:20:44] <Guest69948> teraflops: I've pm'ed you.
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• 4238[20:21:45] <teraflops> Guest69948: why? :P
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• 4242[20:22:20] <Guest69948> teraflops: So I don't spam the main channel about this. haha
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• 4246[20:22:49] <digidog> hey, any chance of getting back data from disk accidently added to a raid nas storage system via create internal raid volume? for example with test disk?
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• 4260[20:27:09] <digidog> the disk was labeled wring and was put into a nas raid box. the box supports the function: create internal volume from new disk. this will implement the disk into the raid system. but the disk was full of important data and I hope that I am able to recover them like recovering datga from disks whihc has been formatted quickly etc. I was able to do this with testdisk once but I am a little bit confused abo
• 4261[20:27:16] <digidog> ut what to do here ...
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• 4272[20:32:07] <jelly> digidog: unplug the disk from the box asap to prevent any further writing to it. DO IT NOW
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• 4275[20:33:33] <jelly> digidog: after that, if your data is worth more than say $200-$500, contact a professional data recovery service.
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• 4279[20:34:41] <jelly> but really, step zero is to pull the plug on the computer that may be writing to your disk and unplugging it from the sata/sas controller
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• 4284[20:35:31] <donald> I have a problem with my hard disk. When I make an encrypted partition I get the following: erreur : /dev/sdb1 : échec d'initialisation de l'analyse: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
• 4285[20:35:52] <jelly> !localized errors
• 4286[20:35:53] <dpkg> Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
• 4287[20:36:28] <jelly> also.
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• 4289[20:36:30] <jelly> !ask
• 4290[20:36:30] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 4296[20:38:04] <MyWay> hello, how can I set iceweaserl's proxy from command line?
• 4297[20:38:15] <MyWay> -r*
• 4298[20:38:20] <donald> are you forced to use a bot? that is a pain
• 4299[20:38:24] <donald> well
• 4300[20:38:32] <donald> now it is my turn to do efforts
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• 4306[20:39:20] <donald> I have a problem with my hard disk. When I make an encrypted partition I get the following: erreur : /dev/sdb1 : echec during the initialization of the analisis: no file or folder of this type.
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• 4311[20:39:59] <jelly> donald: which specific command did you run? Full command, and full output please.
• 4312[20:40:09] <mkb> is there a sdb1? are you specifying the right disk?
• 4313[20:40:10] <donald> I did not run any command
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• 4315[20:40:25] <jelly> donald: how did you "make an encrypted partition", then?
• 4316[20:40:29] <donald> I have done it with the disk utility graphical interface.
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• 4322[20:41:02] <jelly> donald: can you at least figure out the exact name of said utility?
• 4323[20:41:08] <donald> jelly do not worry about encryption, it does not work without too.
• 4324[20:41:24] <donald> jelly it is by default on debian
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• 4326[20:41:33] <donald> his name is "Disk"
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• 4328[20:41:52] <jelly> sadly, that tells me nothing because I don't have the default gnome environment handy.
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• 4330[20:42:09] <Aebian> the gnome disk utility is called disks
• 4331[20:42:10] <JJCale> boa noite
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• 4333[20:42:22] <mkb> this one? replaced-url
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• 4336[20:43:02] <donald> yes it is
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• 4343[20:43:46] <jelly> donald: okay then. Can you run "LC_ALL=C /usr/bin/gnome-disks" from a terminal, then show the error in english when it happens
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• 4347[20:46:09] <donald> jelly how can I get the help or manual of LC_all? I have not with LC_ALL=C --help
• 4348[20:46:16] <donald> please
• 4349[20:46:49] <jelly> LC_ALL is not a command, that's just a way to call some other command with an environment variable set
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• 4351[20:47:04] <jelly> just like dpkg, the bot, said above
• 4352[20:47:16] <donald> right thank
• 4353[20:47:24] <towo`> LANG=C %command% would do the same
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• 4355[20:47:33] <jelly> towo`: no, no it wouldn't
• 4356[20:47:58] <donald> it looks running
• 4357[20:48:17] <donald> gnome disk have launched
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• 4359[20:48:21] <donald> so what?
• 4360[20:48:23] <jelly> towo`: LC_ALL is highest priority and overrides all other locale env, LANG is lowest priority and is overriden by any other env like LC_MESSAGES
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• 4364[20:49:05] <AndreasLutro> I'm trying to use apt-preferences to give a debian security mirror higher preferences but just can't figure out what parameters to use. how do I get information like Origin, Archive name etc from a repository?
• 4365[20:49:11] <jelly> donald: so now it should be running with an english locale and you should be able to get the error message in that language if you repeat all the steps you did previously
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• 4367[20:49:29] <donald> right thank
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• 4372[20:50:12] <kulyzu> i have a file on my server i don't know where it came from
• 4373[20:50:17] <jelly> AndreasLutro: run just "apt-cache policy" and it will show v= ... a=... values for each configured repo
• 4374[20:50:18] <donald> Command-line `wipefs -a "/dev/sdb1"' exited with non-zero exit status 1:
• 4375[20:50:20] <kulyzu> when i try to delete it want delete
• 4376[20:50:27] <kulyzu> nor chmod or chown,
• 4377[20:50:42] <kulyzu> the file owner and group is $USER
• 4378[20:50:42] <AndreasLutro> ah, thanks jelly
• 4379[20:50:50] <kulyzu> i don't know how to remove it
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• 4381[20:50:56] <kulyzu> this is the stat of the file
• 4382[20:51:04] <kulyzu> File: `public_html/wp-includes/js/plupload/javascript32.php'
• 4383[20:51:08] <kulyzu> Size: 155228 Blocks: 304 IO Block: 4096 regular file
• 4384[20:51:10] <kulyzu> Device: 805h/2053d Inode: 204614560 Links: 1
• 4385[20:51:12] <kulyzu> Access: (0000/----------) Uid: ( 1634/streamci) Gid: ( 1631/streamci)
• 4386[20:51:14] <kulyzu> Access: 2016-01-18 06:58:52.000000000 -0500
• 4387[20:51:16] <kulyzu> Modify: 2016-01-18 06:58:52.000000000 -0500
• 4388[20:51:18] <kulyzu> Change: 2016-02-26 14:06:31.154301243 -0500
• 4389[20:51:20] <kulyzu> please help me
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• 4391[20:51:26] <cra1g321> !paste
• 4392[20:51:26] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 4394[20:51:31] <donald> jelly
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• 4396[20:51:49] <jelly> donald
• 4397[20:51:54] <donald> yes?
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• 4400[20:52:12] <jelly> I'm busy atm. You don't have to hilight me, I'll be back i a bit
• 4401[20:52:26] <medfly> Hi, I'm sure Debian has a similar thing to Fedora's pkgs.fedoraproject.org where I can inspect packages -- I forget where it is and struggling to find it, thanks!
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• 4403[20:52:38] <donald> Error wiping newly created partition /dev/sdb1: Command-line `wipefs -a "/dev/sdb1"' exited with non-zero exit status 1: wipefs:
• 4404[20:52:45] <somiaj> medfly: what do you mean by inspect packages? What sort of info are you wanting?
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• 4406[20:52:50] <babilen> medfly: replaced-url
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• 4409[20:53:14] <babilen> medfly: Or replaced-url
• 4410[20:53:17] <somiaj> medfly: packages.debian.org is a place to start, and they have links to the tracker (as babilen mentioned) the bug reports and other info assoicated with the package.
• 4411[20:53:21] <medfly> I am curious about which patches were used.
• 4412[20:53:32] <donald> jelly did you get the wanted information?
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• 4414[20:53:52] <babilen> Then you should take a look at the source package -- You'll find a link to the VCS on the tracker.d.o website
• 4415[20:54:03] <babilen> Also debian/rules
• 4416[20:54:09] <medfly> Thanks! got it
• 4417[20:54:15] <babilen> Great, enjoy
• 4418[20:54:32] <kulyzu> this is stat of the file
• 4419[20:54:33] <kulyzu> replaced-url
• 4420[20:54:38] <kulyzu> please help me remove it
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• 4422[20:54:48] <somiaj> can't you download just the debian patches from p.d.o, I thought you could download them seperatally from the original upstream source.
• 4423[20:54:54] <kulyzu> replaced-url
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• 4425[20:55:12] <armin> hi. i'm trying to let my grub jump straight to the mbr of disk sdb (there's an old linux installatin there that i would like to boot) - does anyone have a config snippet for me?
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• 4427[20:56:14] <somiaj> armin: Take a step back, did you install grub in the mbr of sdb, or is it in the mbr of sda and you want to also be able to boot the linux install on this other disk?
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• 4431[20:57:05] <jelly> donald: right, so the GUI is calling: wipefs -a "/dev/sdb1"
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• 4433[20:57:30] <jelly> donald: does /dev/sdb1 exist at all? ls -ld /dev/sdb1
• 4434[20:57:32] <armin> somiaj: both. i have a separate harddrive that has its own installation of grub (even a different version maybe) and all i like to do is boot any disk i build into the system as sdb to boot.
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• 4439[20:57:58] <somiaj> armin: you might be able to tell your computer to boot from /dev/sdb directly and not worry about settings.
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• 4441[20:58:12] <jelly> donald: you can run "export LC_ALL=C" in a shell once, and all further commands will be in C locale with english messages
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• 4443[20:58:18] <armin> somiaj: that's what i would like to do from the grub installation in the mbr of sda.
• 4444[20:58:28] <somiaj> armin: though you could probabaly install the os-prober packge and it will detect other installs and add the correct info to the grub you rae using and not need to chain to the other grub.
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• 4446[20:58:39] <armin> somiaj: ah
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• 4453[20:59:31] <zinx> twosharp: maybe, but i'm not too familiar with the intel integrated stuff + discrete card interactions - i know you can switch between them in some cases, but i don't know what all is involved.
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• 4455[20:59:35] <kulyzu> can anyone help me please
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• 4457[20:59:51] <JJCale> diz lá o que precisas
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• 4462[21:01:18] <armin> somiaj: well it might sound strange to you but i want a generic config file snippet i can put into my /etc/grub.d/
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• 4464[21:01:49] <somiaj> armin: then read the readme in that file for examples.
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• 4466[21:02:01] <somiaj> armin: that directory.
• 4467[21:02:25] <somiaj> armin: and check the 40_custom and 41_custom scripts as ones you can use as a starting point
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• 4477[21:05:51] <digidog> jelly: and all others: thank you. Yes I have unplugged it immediately bvut I was scared to do while it was writing the new config on it. So I was waiting after the process was finished. In this time I even wasnt sure yet what happens actually
• 4478[21:06:02] <donald> jelly are you sure it will not change my debian's configuration?
• 4479[21:06:09] <donald> Is it only for one command?
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• 4486[21:07:22] <karlpinc> donald: It's only for that terminal window.
• 4487[21:07:29] <donald> nice
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• 4489[21:07:52] <karlpinc> !tell kulyzu about ask
• 4490[21:08:05] <donald> export LC_ALL=C /usr/bin/gnome-disks
• 4491[21:08:05] <donald> bash: export: `/usr/bin/gnome-disks': not a valid identifier
• 4492[21:08:12] <donald> jelly
• 4493[21:08:14] <jelly> no no
• 4494[21:08:25] <donald> what jelly
• 4495[21:08:27] <jelly> either "export LC_ALL=C " once, or "LC_ALL=C /usr/bin/gnome-disks"
• 4496[21:08:35] <jelly> don't conflate it
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• 4498[21:08:57] <karlpinc> donald: The first is for the terminal window, the 2nd just does the one command.
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• 4501[21:09:18] <jelly> if you "export LC_ALL=C" you can run ls or other commands in the same shell.
• 4502[21:09:22] <jelly> normally
• 4503[21:09:28] <donald> Error wiping newly created partition /dev/sdb1: Command-line `wipefs -a "/dev/sdb1"' exited with non-zero exit status 1: wipefs: erreur : /dev/sdb1 : échec d'initialisation de l'analyse: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
• 4504[21:09:28] <donald> (udisks-error-quark, 0)
• 4505[21:09:31] <digidog> jelly: the worth of the data, sadly is much more. it is the last existing backup of some important film shooting footage. I'm even still unable to realize atm how this wrong labeling was happening. I cant remember when was lost this way before ...
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• 4510[21:10:32] <armin> hah
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• 4513[21:10:35] <armin> just solved it
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• 4515[21:10:49] <armin> hd = (1,1) and chainloader +1 is enough
• 4516[21:10:55] <armin> nice
• 4517[21:10:58] <donald> jelly
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• 4519[21:11:05] <jelly> digidog: then tread very carefully. Acquire a disk of same or larger capacity, and make a bitwise copy of the disk with your data if you feel confident.
• 4520[21:11:42] <jelly> donald: please avoid highlighting me without telling anything.
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• 4522[21:12:04] <jelly> donald: did you try to see whether /dev/sdb1 exists at all?
• 4523[21:12:13] <donald> I do not know what is the error I do not understand the log
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• 4525[21:12:38] <donald> the driver is /dev/sdb
• 4526[21:12:55] <jelly> ok, but that doesn't answer the question
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• 4528[21:13:14] <donald> but When I click in new partition it automatically create one as far as I imagin
• 4529[21:13:23] <donald> jelly what is the question?
• 4530[21:13:32] <jelly> donald: did you try to see whether /dev/sdb1 exists at all?
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• 4534[21:14:04] <jelly> donald: ls -ld /dev/sdb1
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• 4536[21:14:32] <donald> ls -ld /dev/sdb1
• 4537[21:14:32] <donald> ls: cannot access /dev/sdb1: No such file or directory
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• 4539[21:14:49] <jelly> right, so the partition device node does not exist at all.
• 4540[21:14:51] <donald> but that is not me who choose this place it is my system
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• 4542[21:15:14] <donald> yes
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• 4548[21:17:16] <jelly> donald: run "sfdisk -d /dev/sdb" as root and pastebin the full output. sfdisk -d shows the partition table, if it's DOS MBR format partition table.
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• 4550[21:17:48] <jelly> let's see if /dev/sdb actually has any partitions on it
• 4551[21:18:16] <donald> replaced-url
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• 4553[21:19:08] <donald> jelly
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• 4558[21:20:56] <jelly> donald: that's an empty partition table. Whatever your GUI tool is doing, it's not doing the right thing (or in the correct order)
• 4559[21:21:28] <jelly> or you're maybe looking at the wrong disk
• 4560[21:21:32] <jelly> who knows
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• 4563[21:22:18] <donald> right
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• 4569[21:22:43] <kwoot> Help!: I really, really need to find a Deb 6 repo to setup an original server for some old software. Anybody any idea where I can find a standaard 6 repo?
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• 4571[21:22:59] <somiaj> kwoot: archive.debian.net (or .org)
• 4572[21:23:22] <kwoot> That would REALLY safe my day!
• 4573[21:23:26] <kwoot> Thanks!
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• 4589[21:28:49] <jelly> !squeeze sources.list
• 4590[21:28:50] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
• 4591[21:29:07] <jelly> that will need changing after squeeze-lts is off the main mirrors.
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• 4610[21:40:20] <rhizome> how can i figure out why my machine running testing has two different libx264s and four libx265s?
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• 4613[21:40:44] <jelly> rhizome: aptitude why packagename
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• 4616[21:41:14] <jelly> but the answer is probably "because it's testing, duh"
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• 4629[21:43:11] <rhizome> maybe! all but two, one of each, came back "can't find a reason" and the first one wasn't even installed. is dpkg -l unreliable for this kind of thing?
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• 4631[21:43:54] <mentor> rhizome, You mean, -s?
• 4632[21:43:56] <mentor> -S?
• 4633[21:43:58] <cra1g321> what is your sources.list file like ? maybe repositories with multiple versions
• 4634[21:44:02] <rhizome> -S?
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• 4636[21:44:20] <rhizome> i just do dpkg -l | grep <whatever>
• 4637[21:44:46] <rhizome> hmm, maybe the ii/rc flags are significant
• 4638[21:45:05] <rhizome> replaced-url
• 4639[21:45:05] <jelly> maybe? :-)
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• 4641[21:45:12] <greycat> ii means installed and all's well. rc means removed but not purged (conf files are still there).
• 4642[21:45:12] <mentor> rhizome, dpkg -S looks up a file in dpkg
• 4643[21:45:23] <rhizome> dpkg uses dpkg?
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• 4645[21:45:24] <dpkg> rhizome: bugger all, i dunno
• 4646[21:45:29] <mentor> rhizome, I believe dpkg does print out a header
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• 4651[21:46:06] <jelly> noone understands what that header is saying until they get it explained by a human type person
• 4652[21:46:23] <rhizome> top-style header? not here.
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• 4654[21:46:31] <jelly> dpkg -l libc6
• 4655[21:46:31] <dpkg> ii libc6 3.3-12 jelly's private gamp collection
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• 4657[21:46:52] <rhizome> hey, no grep necessary. good to learn.
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• 4659[21:47:04] <jelly> first letter is explained in the first line of header
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• 4662[21:47:24] <rhizome> oh, need exact string that way
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• 4664[21:47:29] <jelly> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold Desired state: can be one of u, i, r, p, h
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• 4667[21:47:40] <jelly> rhizome: a glob works there
• 4668[21:47:44] <greycat> You can use quoted globs. dpkg -l libc\* or dpkg -l '*python*'
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• 4670[21:48:01] <rhizome> '* and *' are the same number of letters as 'grep' ;)
• 4671[21:48:10] <jelly> quoting is just to satisfy your shell's insatiability
• 4672[21:48:18] <rhizome> UMQ
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• 4676[21:48:39] <jelly> second letter: actual status of a package Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
• 4677[21:49:05] <rhizome> so 'rc' means removed but not purged?
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• 4679[21:49:09] <greycat> '**' is fewer characters than |grep space
• 4680[21:49:14] <jelly> correctamundo
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• 4682[21:49:26] <rhizome> thanks
• 4683[21:49:39] <rhizome> i mean, thank you
• 4684[21:49:43] <jelly> pn or un is purged
• 4685[21:50:14] <rhizome> oh, i'm probably not seeing the header because it doesn't pass grep
• 4686[21:50:20] <greycat> right
• 4687[21:50:30] <JJCale> "c" means configuration files left... so, not purged...
• 4688[21:50:44] <JJCale> "r" means removed
• 4689[21:50:57] <jelly> JJCale: r means "want to be removed"
• 4690[21:51:40] <JJCale> Thanks jelly! so remove it :)
• 4691[21:52:32] <jelly> wonder if I can force a pi state by doing echo package purge | dpkg --set-selections
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• 4696[21:53:37] <jelly> rhizome: and you think two libx264s is a lot? replaced-url
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• 4702[21:55:42] <jelly> 's what happens after 15 years of upgrades
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• 4872[23:01:22] <gardenman> hello, i always get "Forbidden you are not allowed to access this!" when i try to go to any wiki.debian.org site. Why?
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• 4874[23:01:48] <gardenman> i always have to use a proxy pretty annoying :/
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• 4888[23:06:43] <gardenman> and why does the newest debian version jessie only supports the older versions of desktop enviroments while oder versions like wheezy support newer versions of desktop enviroments?!
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• 4890[23:06:51] <humbot> odd
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• 4893[23:07:21] <cra1g321> gardenman, care to give an example ?
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• 4897[23:09:07] <gardenman> for example jessie is made for Xfce 4.10 which doesnt even support extemded desktop mode while wheezy supports xfce 4,8 and even squeeze supports xfce 4,6
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• 4899[23:09:38] <gardenman> same with plasma 4 for jessie and plasma 5 for wheezy....... i dont understand this
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• 4901[23:10:08] <cra1g321> jessie has xfce 4.10 , wheezy has 4.8
• 4902[23:10:33] <cra1g321> 4.10 is newer than 4.8
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• 4909[23:12:27] <gardenman> cra1g321: aiii... nevermind :P
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