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1[00:00:01] <asterismo_l> between 19 and 20 you say i have to create partitions...
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6[00:00:43] <asterismo_l> and md0 is thoe raid host partition, can i stop it?
7[00:00:56] <asterismo_l> raid base* partition
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9[00:01:29] <asterismo_l> or outer partition, like the container, dont know the exact term
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13[00:02:43] <RoyK> asterismo_l: you can't stop md0 if the root is on it
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15[00:02:49] <RoyK> asterismo_l: that is - what's on md0 now?
16[00:03:01] <RoyK> asterismo_l: pastebin output of lsblk, please
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20[00:03:29] <frostschutz> it won't be after pvmove
21[00:03:39] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
22[00:04:32] <RoyK> pvmove is nice
23[00:04:37] <RoyK> albeit dead slow
24[00:04:39] <asterismo_l> after pvmove dont i have to turn it on?
25[00:05:06] <RoyK> asterismo_l: if grub's ok, no
26[00:05:23] <vlt> asterismo_l: To stop md0 you did all the necessary steps (including vgreduce, luksClose and umount /boot)
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29[00:06:05] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, between line 5~6 is the sdc disk swap to 1TB and you have to partition sdc at that point
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31[00:06:17] <vlt> asterismo_l: The only thing I don't know is if something grabs these weird partitions on md0
32[00:06:21] <frostschutz> oh, you already had that part
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34[00:06:28] <frostschutz> nvm... good luck
35[00:06:48] <asterismo_l> vlt, yes
36[00:07:08] <vlt> asterismo_l: Try the "--stop" command and see if the kernel complains.
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38[00:07:28] <frostschutz> uhh
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42[00:07:58] <RoyK> or use zfs next time
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45[00:08:34] <vlt> asterismo_l: One way to "activate" partitions on md0 could have been kpartx.
46[00:08:42] <asterismo_l> but when is the new disk finished? then i could just simply "sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdc" to copy partition structure, then add it to raid and resync?
47[00:08:57] <vlt> asterismo_l: Yes.
48[00:09:11] <vlt> asterismo_l: sfdisk -R
49[00:09:16] <frostschutz> other way around though
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51[00:09:27] <vlt> To sync partition layout to the kernel.
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53[00:09:43] <asterismo_l> -d -R?
54[00:09:46] <vlt> frostschutz is right
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56[00:10:02] <vlt> You want to read from sdc and write to sda
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58[00:10:17] <asterismo_l> it is "sfdisk -d /dev/sdc | sfdisk /dev/sda"
59[00:10:22] <lmw> Hi. Is node.js getting security updates?
60[00:10:26] <asterismo_l> sdc to sda
61[00:10:50] <asterismo_l> rigth?
62[00:11:23] <asterismo_l> sfdisk -d -R /dev/sdc | sfdisk /dev/sda ??
63[00:11:28] <vlt> asterismo_l: Seems right.
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66[00:12:31] <asterismo_l> so that would be between line 19 and 20 rigth?
67[00:12:55] <vlt> asterismo_l: Yes.
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70[00:13:45] <asterismo_l> the raid is synced now
71[00:14:04] <vlt> asterismo_l: One additional thing you could do:
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76[00:14:45] <vlt> `mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda1` before repartitioning.
77[00:15:01] <asterismo_l> vlt, what for?
78[00:15:19] <asterismo_l> in which step?
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81[00:15:43] <vlt> If the md format is 0.9 then the superblock is at the END which might confuse later.
82[00:16:13] <vlt> asterismo_l: Before repartitioning.
83[00:16:15] <asterismo_l> that before mdadm --create rigth?
84[00:16:35] <vlt> asterismo_l: No, one step earler.
85[00:16:38] <vlt> ier
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88[00:16:59] <vlt> Nooo, sorry.
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90[00:17:32] <asterismo_l> newer version --> replaced-url
91[00:17:34] <vlt> One step earlier than `mdadm ... --add`. That is before sfdik.
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93[00:17:41] <asterismo_l> oh
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96[00:18:21] <vlt> asterismo_l: line 6: ... and create two partitions
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98[00:19:17] <lmw> Hi. Is node.js getting security updates?
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100[00:20:13] <vlt> asterismo_l: line 22: The -R goes on the second sfdisk. Or as a completely separate command.
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104[00:21:24] <vlt> asterismo_l: remember to `umount /mnt/temp; mount /boot/`
105[00:21:26] <asterismo_l> vlt, how do i create artitions needed in step 6?
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107[00:21:43] <asterismo_l> mkfs.ext4 something?
108[00:21:43] <vlt> asterismo_l: With cfdisk, for example.
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111[00:22:02] <vlt> asterismo_l: mkfs is for creating file systems. Hence the name.
112[00:22:07] <asterismo_l> do i need to specify the size and all that?
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114[00:22:27] <vlt> asterismo_l: Yes, like I've written earlier.
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117[00:23:05] <asterismo_l> did you wrote that earlier?
118[00:23:10] <asterismo_l> i missed that
119[00:23:19] <vlt> asterismo_l: Your old /boot has 256 MB.
120[00:24:20] <lmw> Does Debian 9 also run on Hyper-V ?
121[00:24:28] <lmw> I'm planning to do so.
122[00:24:45] <lmw> Generation 2 is my plan, which has UEFI and synthetic drivers (not emulated).
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137[00:33:16] <vlt> (in case they return and ask, tell asterismo_l I'll be back at 08:30 UTC)
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175[00:45:34] <asterismo_l> vlt, line 13 in here replaced-url
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178[00:46:19] <vlt> asterismo_l: Should be.
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182[00:46:54] <vlt> asterismo_l: I'll be back at 08:30 UTC.
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191[00:51:10] <asterismo_l> thanks vlt very much
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213[01:01:16] <asterismo_l> pvformat command not found?
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216[01:02:17] <asterismo_l> frostschutz, any ideas what package has it?
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218[01:02:46] * vlt is still awake :D
219[01:02:50] <vlt> asterismo_l: pvcreate
220[01:03:01] <asterismo_l> oh
221[01:03:48] <asterismo_l> after vgextend bulldozer_vg /dev/mapper/md2_crypt
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224[01:04:01] <asterismo_l> i get Volume group "bulldozer_vg" not found
225[01:04:11] <vlt> Wasn't it "-"
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228[01:04:37] <vlt> ?
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230[01:05:17] <vlt> That's why it is so important to actually understand what the commands are supposed to do.
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232[01:06:24] <asterismo_l> what was the command to see the names?
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234[01:06:29] <asterismo_l> of volumes?
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236[01:07:02] <vlt> lvs
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238[01:08:00] <asterismo_l> oh, i wrote under _ it was -
239[01:08:02] <asterismo_l> ok
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242[01:08:34] <asterismo_l> vlt, this command is complete? pvmove /dev/mapper/md0p5_crypt
243[01:09:00] <asterismo_l> i feel i have a destination missing, scrolling back
244[01:09:34] <vlt> asterismo_l: Dest not needed
245[01:10:05] <vlt> LVM will use any available PVs as target (if you don't specify).
246[01:10:18] <asterismo_l> pvmove bulldozer-vg /dev/mapper/md0p5_crypt ?
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251[01:11:00] <asterismo_l> i emulated the syntax from previous command
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254[01:11:30] <vlt> asterismo_l: I don't think the vg is necessary.
255[01:11:46] <vlt> LVM knows its PVs.
256[01:12:02] <asterismo_l> its running now pvmove
257[01:12:13] <asterismo_l> my adrenaline level is really high
258[01:12:33] <asterismo_l> xD
259[01:13:14] <vlt> asterismo_l: LVM should survive even an interrupted pvmove.
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261[01:14:17] <asterismo_l> 2%
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264[01:15:55] <asterismo_l> vlt if everything goes well, i'll drop some coins for you
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288[01:29:43] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, lsblk should be interesting if pvmove is running right now
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296[01:34:59] <asterismo_l> 18%
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298[01:36:13] <asterismo_l> frostschutz, replaced-url
299[01:37:10] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, looks good so far :)
300[01:37:15] <asterismo_l> yep
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308[01:41:50] <frostschutz> you could already prep the md0p1 /boot -> md1 /boot switch while pvmove is still running. since /boot is unrelated to lvm
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310[01:44:05] <asterismo_l> yes indeed
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320[01:52:20] <asterismo_l> frostschutz, done
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327[01:53:45] <asterismo_l> but now after unmount it, i think it get mounted after it is added to md1
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359[02:05:33] <joer> i am having a problem booting into linux antiX - i think it is a bios issue
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363[02:06:46] <hyperlumic> !antix
364[02:06:46] <dpkg> antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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367[02:07:57] <joer> ok maybe i am in the wrong channel to ask such a general question, suggest a better channel?
368[02:08:12] <hyperlumic> I think the tip mentioned #mepis.
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370[02:09:13] <hadron> wow, Is dpkg murdoch?
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373[02:09:43] <joer> thanks dpkg i will go check it out
374[02:09:52] <hyperlumic> dpkg is a bot. :P
375[02:09:52] <dpkg> hyperlumic: I don't know, could you explain it?
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451[03:01:28] <fartface> This is likely a stupid question, but I've got a server that's booting off a relatively big ZFS pool right now. I want to reinstall the OS to an SSD array, but when I finished the install, grub is still booting from the zfs pool
452[03:01:52] <fartface> Can I remove grub from the ZFS pool before rebooting into the installer?
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464[03:09:46] <tech10171968> Anybody been hit with the systemd bug that halts the boot process?
465[03:10:06] <annadane> tech10171968, which branch of debian? stable?
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467[03:10:21] <tech10171968> Experimental
468[03:10:32] <annadane> ...you're using systemd from EXPERIMENTAL?
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470[03:10:55] <annadane> are you at least using unstable as your main debian?
471[03:10:56] <tech10171968> Never happened before after 5 years
472[03:11:08] <annadane> anyway,
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474[03:11:11] <annadane> !debian-next
475[03:11:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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479[03:12:30] <annadane> ,v systemd
480[03:12:32] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-25+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 237-3~bpo9+1; buster: 237-4; sid: 238-2
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482[03:12:40] <annadane> yeah as i thought, it's not even in experimental
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524[03:31:25] <descuidado> hi im using debian with gnome, and im removing some software bundled with gnome that i dont need, however i have some doubts related to it, because when i try to purge (for example) "gnome-weather" it also tries to remove the package "gnome*"
525[03:31:30] <descuidado> what does that mean?
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534[03:36:32] <asterismo_l> can someone help me with a raid setup?
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536[03:37:38] <annadane> asterismo_l, only if you ask your question.............
537[03:37:41] <annadane> !someone
538[03:37:42] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
539[03:38:07] <annadane> descuidado, yeah, that's the problem with metapackages. what you can do is apt-mark manual the things you want to keep
540[03:38:31] <descuidado> annadane: why is it a "problem"?
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543[03:38:48] <descuidado> also, i'll check the manpage to look at the option for marking
544[03:38:49] <annadane> well, it's a problem if you want to remove things installed as part of a metapackage
545[03:39:20] <annadane> thus some people to install gnome will probably not select a desktop environment as part of the install and install only gdm and build in what they want on top of it
546[03:39:26] <asterismo_l> i have a raid1 setup with 500gb disks. one of them failed so i got new 2 1tb drives and the aim was to replace one at the time, and if possible, enlarge the encrypted LVM to fill 1tb all without restart the server
547[03:39:55] <asterismo_l> vlt helped me and we managed to write down a series of steps here
548[03:40:09] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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550[03:40:16] <descuidado> annadane: personally i just like gnome.
551[03:40:31] <annadane> well, gdm will install the gnome window manager
552[03:40:39] <annadane> and you can install the applications you want later
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554[03:40:46] <asterismo_l> i'm unable to complete the steps at line 25
555[03:40:51] <annadane> (this avoids things like games which come with the debian gnome install)
556[03:41:11] <descuidado> annadane: i understand now, thank you
557[03:41:17] <descuidado> <3
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559[03:42:05] <annadane> (at least i think gdm is the window manager. i don't use gnome)
560[03:42:31] <descuidado> annadane: isnt it just the display manager?
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563[03:42:48] <descuidado> i think its gnome-shell what you're talking about, or im just saying dumb things
564[03:43:26] <annadane> that probably sounds right
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566[03:43:48] <descuidado> annadane: anyhow, i would have done a super clean install, if only i knew better, i've tested on a virtual machine before installing debian on a partition, but couldnt find a way to make my wifi adapter work.
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568[03:44:00] <asterismo_l> i could not grow the partition to fill 1tb
569[03:45:02] <annadane> oh, gdm3 is the login prompt apparently. gnome-shell is the actual window manager thingy
570[03:45:09] <descuidado> annadane: hehe
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572[03:45:54] <asterismo_l> anyone?
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582[03:52:03] <asterismo_l> annadane, any ideas?
583[03:52:15] <annadane> sorry, i know nothing about raid
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587[03:53:53] <descuidado> me neither, i keep reading the word in many places though
588[03:53:55] <descuidado> :o
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597[04:00:32] <descuidado> wait what the hell, so im checking that packages i have installed, you know because i use gnome, however, none of the 3 options the debian wiki provides are installed, im aboslutely confused
598[04:00:45] <descuidado> sorry, i meant to say "what packages"
599[04:01:06] <descuidado> im pretty certain i did a fresh install with recommended debian software
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602[04:01:21] <annadane> if this is gnome from the installer it's probably gnome-tasksel or something
603[04:01:31] <annadane> (i made that up but it's the right general idea)
604[04:01:50] <descuidado> should be task-gnome-desktop
605[04:01:55] <annadane> yeah
606[04:01:55] <descuidado> but doesnt show up as installed
607[04:02:07] <annadane> hm. dunno.
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609[04:02:48] <descuidado> perhaps if i uninstall something that it comes bundled with, then the package marks as "not installed"?
610[04:02:54] <descuidado> i was thinking that might be the answer
611[04:04:15] <annadane> i will not comment because i know nothing about gnome unfortunately
612[04:04:29] <annadane> as evidenced by gdm3 and gnome-shell :P
613[04:04:33] <descuidado> this is so strange
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615[04:04:54] <descuidado> okay, im gonna test something
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629[04:09:06] <descuidado> annadane: ok so it is like i thought, remember when you said one could do a clean install without bundled stuff? its kinda like that, if you got "gnome-core" which is that the name implies, just the basic stuff, and uninstall idk, lets say something that comes with it, like gnome-contacts, then the "gnome-core" will be marked as not installed
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632[04:09:44] <descuidado> man i love how one is able to know that everything depends on something (as in, programs)
633[04:09:46] <annadane> interesting. i'm not sure why that is. maybe gnome does it differently
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635[04:10:07] <descuidado> annadane: what do you mean?
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637[04:10:35] <annadane> well, maybe their packages have different flags, or something. i don't know enough about it to comment
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639[04:11:08] <descuidado> annadane: am i correct if i assume you use either xfce or kde?
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643[04:11:37] <annadane> xfce and mate, interchangeably
644[04:11:52] <descuidado> mate is too green-ish for my taste
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650[04:13:01] <awal1> descuido, check gnome description aptitude show gnome
651[04:13:18] <descuidado> time to install aptitude
652[04:13:37] <awal1> verify dependencies and reverse ones
653[04:13:52] <descuidado> why are you telling me this awal?
654[04:14:00] <descuidado> have i done something dangerous?
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657[04:15:07] <awal1> gnome is a metapkg and inter-dependency is complex
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659[04:16:09] <descuidado> how so? i mean, how complex? also how can i check suggested packages for a package?
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661[04:16:34] <awal1> apt show pkgname
662[04:16:38] <awal1> easy way
663[04:16:42] <descuidado> thank you
664[04:16:50] <descuidado> ok so im looking at the pkg gnome
665[04:17:04] <descuidado> and i noticed that it depends on a bunch of stuff
666[04:17:06] <awal1> people runing gnome just run gnome, as it is , a full DE
667[04:17:17] <descuidado> is that bad?
668[04:17:41] <awal1> if you want check gnome core and other gnome components
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670[04:17:48] <annadane> if it depends on a bunch of stuff you didn't have it would have installed those things
671[04:18:03] <annadane> i'm not sure what you mean by bad
672[04:18:21] <descuidado> i mean... if i installed something it depends on, is that bad?
673[04:18:25] <descuidado> uninstalled*
674[04:18:25] <annadane> no
675[04:18:28] <awal1> descuido, what is your goal?
676[04:18:29] <annadane> oh, well
677[04:18:46] <descuidado> i just want to make sure i can remove any package but the CORE with safety that the system wont rbeak
678[04:18:51] <descuidado> or at least, gnome
679[04:18:58] <annadane> right, sorry, lost track of the context
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682[04:19:51] <awal1> apt rdepends gnome
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685[04:20:41] <descuidado> apt?
686[04:20:50] <descuidado> really?
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689[04:23:00] <awal1> or use apt-cache
690[04:23:09] <awal1> or apt-rdepends
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693[04:24:36] <descuidado> ok so apparently, i shouldnt be doing this, because it might cause some bug since gnome/task-gnome-desktop depends on packages
694[04:24:43] <descuidado> however there's ways for this to work
695[04:24:48] <descuidado> but i'll have ot check it out
696[04:24:57] <descuidado> in the meantime
697[04:25:03] <descuidado> i'll reinstall all i removed
698[04:25:33] <annadane> you don't _have to_ remove things it tells you it's going to remove, for future reference :P
699[04:25:46] <awal1> i still don't understand your goal with gnome
700[04:25:50] <annadane> this is why apt tells you beforehand so you have the chance to say no
701[04:25:54] <awal1> gnome is a metapkg
702[04:26:17] <descuidado> i just dont want to remove anything it depends on until im able to sort it out myself
703[04:26:31] <awal1> aptitude search '~i~sgnome'
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705[04:27:38] <awal1> and play with apt-mark
706[04:27:56] <awal1> that will be a pain
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709[04:28:29] <awal1> my suggestion is just keep your gnome as it is by default
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712[04:28:45] <descuidado> oh god
713[04:28:57] <descuidado> ok can you explain what does ~i~s mean?
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715[04:29:07] <descuidado> also, why will it be?
716[04:29:20] <awal1> or purge it completely and reintall just what you really need
717[04:29:46] <awal1> ~i installed ~s section
718[04:29:55] <descuidado> how can i purge it while inside it
719[04:30:06] <descuidado> lol
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721[04:30:19] <awal1> you are asking aptitude to list all pkg from gnome section installed in your machine
722[04:30:53] <awal1> just keep it
723[04:30:56] <awal1> :P
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726[04:32:00] <descuidado> suddenly everything seems like a big issue haha
727[04:32:17] <descuidado> kinda makes me hate gnome, but this is just me hahaha
728[04:32:22] <descuidado> its not a ngome issue
729[04:33:00] <annadane> you have only just begun your long journey to complete gnome hatred
730[04:33:10] <dvs> yay
731[04:34:14] <descuidado> lmao
732[04:34:26] <awal1> descuido, gnome is a nice, mature and an advanced desktop environment. use it if you like it, or use another de/wm if you dont like
733[04:34:33] <descuidado> i literally just installed debian
734[04:34:44] <descuidado> god this is so funny
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736[04:35:31] <awal1> google what metapkg mean and what gnome is than you'll start understanding
737[04:36:09] <descuidado> awal1, i've tested xfce and KDE and tbh i dont care about customization, i just want stuff to work out of the box, also KDE feels way more bloated than gnome, and xfce looks boring, gnome is the only one i could be comfortable with
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739[04:36:45] <awal1> something that just works? go for xfce
740[04:37:40] <awal1> light, customizable and conservative(=stable)
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743[04:38:19] <DaPinkOne> i'm ssh-d in, trying to use byobu on my home system(arch), from my laptop(debian), and i'm getting this strange display: replaced-url
744[04:38:20] <annadane> anyway, either apt-mark manual what you want to keep or leave things as is or reinstall without a desktop and install gnome-core and do it piecemeal
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746[04:38:41] <annadane> or give up debian, move to the mountains, and spend the rest of your day trying to solve the reimann hypothesis
747[04:38:49] <descuidado> lmao
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750[04:39:43] <descuidado> oh i'll take years trying to even learn the concept of that by myself
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786[05:09:35] <kion> I bought a 2TB external HD and just formated it as ext4 and created a partition with all the size. now when I conect the USB cable my computer reads the disk but somehow has assigned the permissions for root only so I can not use the disk
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788[05:09:45] <kion> how can I change the disk's permissions?
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792[05:11:35] <kion> sorry sudo chmod... did it
793[05:11:43] <kion> chown
794[05:11:49] <kion> and chgrp
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902[06:39:12] <adminewb> !#debian-next
903[06:39:12] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
904[06:47:19] <adminewb> how does one properly refer to the virtual terminals selected by <ctrl><alt>F1 ... F6 or so? or graphical sessions upwards of that?
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929[07:14:58] <vlt> asterismo_l: Back for 15 minutes, then again at 09:45 UTC
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937[07:17:25] <vlt> asterismo_l: You shouldn't need to grow a partition, you created them equally sized by copying the partition layout from sdc to sda. Did you tell the kernel successfully to re-read that?
938[07:17:49] <vlt> asterismo_l: `sfdisk -R /dev/sda`
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993[08:04:21] <allan_wind> I had a failed systemd service (usb drive was ripped out without unmounting). This resulted in a failed service which I fixed with systemctl reset-failed. systemd, however, is still logging timed out errors every 20 minutes or so. Any idea on to fix this before I resort to rebooting the box?
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995[08:05:07] <allan_wind> (dev-disk-by\... /start timed out)
996[08:05:34] <asterismo_l> vlt, i think i wrongly created partitions with cfdisk, used gpt instead dos, so further steps maybe went wrong. also sfdisk -d ... did not reproduced the partition layout to sda. I'm cloning sdc to sda with dd as suggested in sfdisk command, and will try to reach you later for new ideas for fixing it.
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999[08:06:19] <vlt> asterismo_l: Cloning the first few kB should be enough.
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1001[08:06:34] <vlt> asterismo_l: It's important to tell the kernel about hte new disk layout.
1002[08:07:03] <somiaj> allan_wind: what exactly is timing out? Does the mount still exist, have you tried to force unmount the location?
1003[08:07:04] <vlt> asterismo_l: Cloning: `head -c 1m /dev/sdc > /dev/sda`
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1005[08:07:34] <vlt> asterismo_l: Reloading: `sfdisk -R /dev/sda`
1006[08:07:41] <somiaj> I didn't think cfdisk did gpt, don't you need gparted for that?
1007[08:07:43] <somiaj> or just parted?
1008[08:07:48] <vlt> asterismo_l: Make sure that works.
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1010[08:08:28] <allan_wind> somiaj: mount doesn't exist.
1011[08:08:33] <vlt> asterismo_l: You could have a second shell session with a running `journalctl -f` to see what's actually happening.
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1013[08:08:54] <allan_wind> somiaj: replaced-url
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1016[08:09:50] <somiaj> unsure what could be needing that, any reason why you want to avoid rebooting?
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1018[08:10:22] <allan_wind> somiaj: I don't like to admit defeat ;-)
1019[08:10:40] <willemb> Hi. I am running debian Jessie with systemd from backports. On a couple of servers where I have a systemd unit file for a unicorn process, systemd always thinks that the unit file has changed on disk, and reccommends a daemon-reload, even after I do what it suggests. what gives?
1020[08:10:44] <vlt> asterismo_l: Using gpt shouldn't be much of a problem. But if you want you can use cfdisk to create new ones, --add them to the raid, let it sync, then remove sdc from the raids (plural) and reformat that as well with dos partitions.
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1032[08:22:05] <dx_ob> ,v mesa
1033[08:22:06] <judd> No package named 'mesa' was found in amd64.
1034[08:22:22] <dx_ob> ,v libmesa
1035[08:22:23] <judd> No package named 'libmesa' was found in amd64.
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1037[08:23:16] <somiaj> dx_ob: what are you looking for? you can also /msg the bot
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1042[08:24:02] <dx_ob> somiaj: im looking for the mesa version in stretch
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1046[08:24:42] <somiaj> ,v libgl1-mesa-glx
1047[08:24:43] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; buster: 17.3.6-1; sid: 17.3.6-1; experimental: 18.0.0~rc4-1
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1050[08:25:01] <somiaj> dx_ob: you can do things like packages.debian.org/mesa or otehr ways to start searchign package names if you don't kow the package name.
1051[08:25:12] <dx_ob> yeah i know
1052[08:25:19] <dx_ob> trying the easy way :P
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1066[08:35:25] <jcarpenter2> when i start a service from /etc/init.d where does it log to?
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1068[08:35:42] <jcarpenter2> is that determined by a system-wide setting across all services, or do they each choose where logs go to?
1069[08:35:55] <somiaj> jcarpenter2: depends on the script, if you used systemd you would get a bit better logging
1070[08:36:22] <somiaj> though most init.d scripts are ran though systemd these days on debian.
1071[08:36:44] <jcarpenter2> hm
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1073[08:36:58] <jcarpenter2> i'm looking for lxc-net logs, because as soon as i started it exits
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1076[08:37:32] <somiaj> does it have a systemd service? any reason why you are trying to run the init.d script directly? What is the name of the init.d script?
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1078[08:37:40] <jcarpenter2> it's /etc/init.d/lxc-net
1079[08:37:47] <somiaj> try systemctl status lxc-net
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1081[08:37:51] <jcarpenter2> i was doing that out of habit, i don't know much about init systems
1082[08:37:53] <somiaj> systemd should create or have a unit by that name.
1083[08:38:02] <jcarpenter2> it does
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1085[08:38:18] <jcarpenter2> it says exited
1086[08:38:43] <jcarpenter2> there's got to be a place where it logs the failure reason
1087[08:38:53] <somiaj> systemctl status lxc-net should show some output, if you don't have enough lines systemctl status -n 100 lxc-net, journalctl can also be used to get logs on paticular sercvices.
1088[08:39:36] <somiaj> it should have been logged in that command, if you aren't seeing anything, the service maynot be giving any output either to stdout or stderr (systemd should be capturing both)
1089[08:39:51] <jcarpenter2> hmm
1090[08:40:02] <jcarpenter2> systemctl status -n 100 lxc-net shows the same output as without -n 100
1091[08:40:06] <somiaj> what is the full output of 'systemctl status lxc-net'
1092[08:40:20] <jcarpenter2> let me grab it
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1094[08:40:29] <jcarpenter2> copy/paste doesn't work from inside my virtual machine
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1096[08:40:56] <somiaj> what method of vm are you using? There is also pastbinit, or command > text.file then copy the text.file voer
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1099[08:41:45] <jcarpenter2> replaced-url
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1101[08:41:52] <somiaj> !pastebin
1102[08:41:52] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1104[08:42:07] <jcarpenter2> VirtualBox
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1106[08:42:13] <jcarpenter2> pastebinit would work
1107[08:42:16] <somiaj> hmm, wrong link, was just gona say, pastebin gives to many adds for my like
1108[08:42:27] <jcarpenter2> same here, but it's fine if you click "raw" :)
1109[08:42:45] <somiaj> install the guess additions in the debian guest, package is virtualbox-guest-dkms and you need the linux-headers for your kernel isntalled
1110[08:42:54] <jcarpenter2> okay
1111[08:43:01] <Unit193> (Or even termbin.)
1112[08:43:15] <jcarpenter2> Active: active (exited), it says
1113[08:43:39] <somiaj> jcarpenter2: acording to that output the script ran fine and did what ever it was supose to do and then exiteded with an exit code of 0, which is the script saying it encounted no problems.
1114[08:43:43] <jcarpenter2> status=0 but i don't think it actually succeeded - i'm like 99.9% sure it should be running, not exited
1115[08:43:46] <jcarpenter2> hmmm
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1117[08:44:09] <jcarpenter2> well maybe it did work, i'll ask the lxc people if lxc-net is supposed to just exit right out
1118[08:44:18] <somiaj> to me it says network bridge setup, and sounds like something that would run to set it up and be done.
1119[08:44:35] <somiaj> so are you trying to setup containers inside your vm?
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1121[08:45:07] <somiaj> but the guest additions should give you copy/paste from host to guest. (:
1122[08:45:14] <jcarpenter2> thanks
1123[08:45:23] <jcarpenter2> yeah, i'm trying to set up containers in my VM
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1126[08:46:02] <somiaj> hmm, unsure if there is going to be any issues with that, maybe only having access to virtual hardawre is making a bridge harder to setup (unsure on the details here)
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1129[08:47:52] <somiaj> hmm guess it is possible, but it may require some extra configuration.
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1161[09:15:16] <nindustries> Hi, anyone running SMB shares for Apple Timemachine backups?
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1182[09:25:59] <shtrb|laptop> anyone here uses kio-gdrive or have an idea how to access a shared drive ? (I can access mine , but can't see the shared one)
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1216[09:46:04] <BCMM> !cross post
1217[09:46:04] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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1346[11:22:38] <alkisg> What's the best way to shebang a python3 executable? "#! /usr/bin/python3" with a space there, with no space, or via env?
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1348[11:23:55] <themill> the space doesn't matter; if you want to use the packaged python3 then use /usr/bin/python3. If you want to take a chance on a random virtualenv then use env
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1350[11:24:09] <petn-randall> alkisg: Just like every other shebang: "#!/usr/bin/python3". However, if you want to allow people to use ... what themill said.
1351[11:24:24] <themill> moo
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1355[11:25:04] <alkisg> Thank you guys, I was seeing a lot of shipped /usr/bin/* python3 scripts use a space there and I started doubting
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1365[11:30:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
1366[11:31:05] <skandix> morning
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1395[11:55:41] <RoyK> hm - this elitebook 820 has secure boot, uefi and the rest. earlier I've just turned off secure boot and installed, but is there a "correct" way to do this?
1396[11:56:41] <RoyK> All I get is "Selected boot image did not authenticate."
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1406[12:03:59] <hyperlumic> I believe turning off secure boot is the correct method at this time.
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1410[12:06:22] <skandix> it is
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1416[12:08:17] <RoyK> hyperlumic: yeah, found it - another issue, though - first time installing debian on a laptop for years (having used it on servers for 15 years?) I get this replaced-url
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1421[12:08:42] <hyperlumic> None, unfortunately.
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1423[12:10:10] <skandix> that's straaange
1424[12:10:26] <RoyK> it booted up windows right (that was installed already)
1425[12:10:30] <skandix> RoyK: never seen that before
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1441[12:18:43] <luna_> Just installed 9.4 here, but waiting for some OMV updates too :)
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1451[12:22:47] <BluesKaj> RoyK, gpu/graphics driver it seems
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1473[12:34:38] <RoyK> BluesKaj: quite possibly
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1480[12:44:35] <RoyK> BluesKaj: just tried another laptop (same make and model) and same thing
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1482[12:45:31] <Haohmaru> xrandr says i have VGA, DisplayPort, and HDMI, but i only see VGA and DP ports on the back of le comput0r
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1484[12:46:20] <Haohmaru> is it possible that the graphicscard really has HDMI but just isn't exposed?
1485[12:46:25] <BluesKaj> RoyK, which debian OS?
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1488[12:47:13] <abrotman> Haohmaru: or it's the internal attachment
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1492[12:50:00] <RoyK> BluesKaj: debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
1493[12:50:26] <hyperlumic> Haohmaru: Do you have a USB-C port?
1494[12:50:39] <Haohmaru> i don't think so
1495[12:50:44] <hyperlumic> Wait. I believe DisplayPort can also carry HDMI.
1496[12:50:52] <hyperlumic> DisplayPort or mini-DP?
1497[12:51:04] <Haohmaru> i don't think it's mini
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1499[12:51:15] <Haohmaru> it looks roughly like a USB-A in size
1500[12:51:21] <Haohmaru> or like a HDMI
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1504[12:52:05] <hyperlumic> Haohmaru: Gotcha. It may be a dual-mode DisplayPort. Those can carry DP or HDMI signals, depending on what's connected and used.
1505[12:52:36] <hyperlumic> If it is, it's conceivable that it's presenting both port types, even though they're one physical port.
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1508[12:53:39] <Haohmaru> ah
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1518[12:59:51] <RoyK> hm - replaced-url
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1529[13:03:31] <BluesKaj> RoyK, that's a fairly new release, and I'm not familiar with the cinnamon desktop....could be a gpu stability issue4
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1531[13:04:29] <klys> royk, if it is a framebuffer, you'd need to know what bootloader you were using.
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1536[13:05:12] <roflcakes> 192.168.0.1/24 is that the whole of that subnet ?
1537[13:05:26] <klys> roflcakes, yes.
1538[13:05:30] <roflcakes> thanks
1539[13:06:52] <klys> royk, it says here: replaced-url
1540[13:08:14] <klys> royk, try specifying vga=ask at the boot: prompt.
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1544[13:10:50] <klys> you can add which ever kernel parameters you want there at the boot: prompt
1545[13:11:03] <RoyK> I know
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1550[13:15:10] <towo^work> i would use nomodeset instead of vga=foo
1551[13:15:24] <towo^work> depends on the graphics hardware you use
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1565[13:24:52] <vlt> asterismo_l: Any progress?
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1569[13:26:56] <vlt> asterismo_l: Can you paste `fdisk -l` and `lsblk`?
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1576[13:28:29] <wowas> hello!
1577[13:28:35] <wowas> after a upgrade i get: replaced-url
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1579[13:28:44] <wowas> wtf? am i drunk?
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1586[13:30:39] <BanHammor> considering you're using fedora's pastebin: it's possible.
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1589[13:32:32] <petn-randall> wowas: Which OS release is this? Do you have any other files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/* ?
1590[13:32:38] <DrSky> Hello. I'm new in IRC. How can I join the "#debian-offtopic" channel?
1591[13:32:55] <abrotman> DrSky: /join #debian-offtopic
1592[13:32:59] <wowas> petn-randall, Debian 8.10, 32bit
1593[13:33:14] <wowas> nothing in /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
1594[13:33:21] <DrSky> I get the following message: "Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services"
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1598[13:34:54] <gusnan> DrSky: replaced-url
1599[13:35:01] <frostschutz> DrSky, replaced-url
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1601[13:35:20] <petn-randall> DrSky: Alternatively, try again.
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1606[13:36:11] <DrSky> frostschutz, Thank you!
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1608[13:38:29] <eimiar> i wanted to experiment a little with debian on a virtual machine (for the purpose of making this on a real machine in the future)
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1612[13:39:16] <eimiar> my idea was to install debian on a hard drive, then at boot time load the system on RAM and run it there
1613[13:39:46] <eimiar> question: how can i do that?
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1618[13:40:21] <hyperlumic> Why not just use an existing hypervisor application, like VirtualBox?
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1621[13:40:58] <eimiar> hyperlumic, what did you have in mind?
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1624[13:41:23] <hyperlumic> ... Install VirtualBox on your existing OS, then build a Debian VM.
1625[13:41:33] <sipz> I'm doing an upgrade but it looks it's been stuck (for 5 minutes) at "Setting up ifupdown". Any way to fix that?
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1627[13:41:38] <eimiar> system won't be running on RAM then
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1630[13:42:01] <sipz> Never mind, it ended: Job for ifupdown-wait-online.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status ifupdown-wait-online.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
1631[13:42:10] <majesticcc> Im at the uni and I've just installed debian gnome, im getting 1000 printer notification popups, how to turn them off? They wont stop popping up
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1634[13:43:01] <petn-randall> Hehehe, that sounds like an interesting problem.
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1636[13:43:47] <petn-randall> majesticcc: My suggestion: Print "turn off zeroconf" on all of the them at the same time, the problem will then go away after a day or so.
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1640[13:45:17] <ghormoon> hi, if there's a package (intel-microcode) with name like 3.20180108.1+really20171117.1 does it actually mean anything new is in it if in backports there's 3.20171117.1~bpo9+1?
1641[13:45:21] <jelly> majesticcc: what do those look like, can you post a screenshot
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1643[13:45:47] <BanHammor> i have to ask why you need to run it from RAM, eimiar
1644[13:45:53] <sipz> I'm running "dpkg --configure -a" against but it's still failing to configure the package "ifupdown"
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1647[13:46:07] <jelly> ghormoon: it means there's nothing different.
1648[13:46:09] <themill> ghormoon: it means an upload was made and then reverted
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1652[13:46:45] <ghormoon> ok, so backports is enough for now (unless I want to bring the binary blobs manually from intel site)
1653[13:46:50] <jelly> firmware vendor made a bad release. That weird version number is Debian's workaround
1654[13:46:56] <roflcakes> I want root to use the same .vimrc as my main user for when I sudo, apart from copying the file whats the best way to have them use it, could i create a shortcut to the users .vimrc in the root home dir
1655[13:47:19] <roflcakes> I have not actually setup a simlink before could i use that
1656[13:47:28] <BanHammor> man ln
1657[13:47:33] <eimiar> BanHammor, there are 2 main reasons why i wanna do that: to reduce power consumption and to preserve hard disk life, because hard disk would then be turned off
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1660[13:49:42] <eimiar> BanHammor, i also wouldn't need any desktop manager or window system, just a plain simple shell
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1663[13:50:12] <vlt> roflcakes: Creating a symlink could be a possible solution: in /root just do `ln -s /home/roflcakes/.vimrc`
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1666[13:50:38] <sipz> looks like a bug that has been fixed replaced-url
1667[13:50:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1673[13:51:41] <roflcakes> vlt: I just realised there is no /root and I can su as root. is this default stretch behaviour
1674[13:51:45] <BanHammor> depending on how deep into hell you wanna get, you can either make a squashfs, so you can boot it like liveCDs, or you can make a custom initrd with all your required stuff
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1677[13:52:23] <roflcakes> ahh I cannot use cd on sudo.. command not found . wtf
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1680[13:52:49] <yctn_> is kafka in the debian repo? or should it be installed from source?
1681[13:53:35] <roflcakes> (ALL : ALL) ALL
1682[13:54:19] <BanHammor> does echo $PATH give you anything?
1683[13:55:00] <BanHammor> though i guess cd is a builtin, so it's not even in PATH
1684[13:55:16] <roflcakes> BanHammor: you talking to me
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1686[13:55:34] <BanHammor> yes
1687[13:55:42] <BanHammor> your bash must be screwed up somehow
1688[13:55:44] <roflcakes> oh ok. yea path gives me expected, sudo -l shows all
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1690[13:56:01] <roflcakes> roflcakes@debvm:/$ echo $PATH
1691[13:56:01] <roflcakes> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
1692[13:56:14] <BanHammor> how do you run cd in sudo?
1693[13:56:31] <roflcakes> roflcakes@debvm:/$ cd /root
1694[13:56:31] <roflcakes> -bash: cd: /root: Permission denied
1695[13:56:31] <roflcakes> roflcakes@debvm:/$ sudo cd /root
1696[13:56:31] <roflcakes> sudo: cd: command not found
1697[13:56:43] <hyperlumic> eimiar: Things don't work the way you seem to think they do. If you want to test drive Debian, build a VM like I said.
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1701[13:57:08] <vlt> roflcakes: Try `sudo -s` first.
1702[13:57:18] <BanHammor> roflcakes, oh yeah that doesn't work, use sudo -s or sudo -i
1703[13:57:47] <BanHammor> those give interactive shells rather than try to run your exact commands
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1706[13:58:12] <roflcakes> vlt: I have done, it does nothing, no errors though
1707[13:58:26] <BanHammor> your prefix should change
1708[13:58:31] <BanHammor> from $ to #
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1710[13:58:34] <roflcakes> ok
1711[13:58:36] <vlt> roflcakes: No errors is good.
1712[13:58:36] <roflcakes> yea i get it
1713[13:58:43] <BanHammor> so that means you're root now
1714[13:58:46] <roflcakes> i have not done this before
1715[13:58:49] <roflcakes> i used to su but not this
1716[13:59:28] <BanHammor> ctrl-d or exit will exit the root shell and return you to the regular one
1717[13:59:39] <roflcakes> yea exit done it. well cool.
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1719[13:59:50] <roflcakes> always something new to learn on linux
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1722[14:00:04] <roflcakes> so why will it not let me do cd then
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1724[14:01:01] <BanHammor> several reasons: first, cd is a bash built-in command, which means it's not in PATH and it doesn't have a corresponding executable file
1725[14:02:08] <roflcakes> ok I get it.
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1727[14:02:15] <BanHammor> second, even if you managed to run cd via, say, sudo bash -c 'cd /root', it would just open a new shell inside your old one
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1732[14:02:44] <BanHammor> then it would change the directory, and exit that new shell, returning you to the old shell with the old working directory
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1734[14:05:15] <BanHammor> third, even if ALL THAT worked and you would get a new working directory, you wouldn't be able to view its contents, because every other access to a restricted dir also requires permissions
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1736[14:05:40] <BanHammor> so yeah, use interactive shells if you wanna run more than one command with root permissions
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1738[14:06:21] <thms> !stretch->buster
1739[14:06:31] <thms> dpkg, stretch->buster
1740[14:06:31] <dpkg> Don't run Debian "testing" just after a release unless you like helping fix bugs. Testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. If you feel you need instructions on how to upgrade, you should wait a while.
1741[14:07:04] <babilen> dpkg: tell thms -about tum
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1743[14:08:23] <ghormoon> why did I have to apt-get install -f to get past this? libstdc++6 : Depends: gcc-6-base (= 6.3.0-18) but 6.3.0-18+deb9u1 is installed, shoudln't it just update it automatically?
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1745[14:08:55] <petn-randall> ,v gcc-6-base
1746[14:08:56] <judd> Package: gcc-6-base on amd64 -- stretch: 6.3.0-18+deb9u1; stretch-security: 6.3.0-18+deb9u1; buster: 6.4.0-12; sid: 6.4.0-13
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1748[14:09:21] <petn-randall> !bat
1749[14:09:21] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1750[14:09:34] <petn-randall> ghormoon: Can you provide the details from above in a single paste? ^^^
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1759[14:13:32] <ghormoon> petn-randall: replaced-url
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1767[14:15:03] <BanHammor> "fix-broken" suggests you have interrupted an upgrade before
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1769[14:15:08] <petn-randall> Yes, it's missing two thirds of what was asked for.
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1772[14:16:24] <ghormoon> true I might killed this when tweaking the commandline, dunno why it sometimes doesn't work properly without the export
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1774[14:18:45] <ghormoon> for sake of completeness replaced-url
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1776[14:19:34] <BanHammor> does following the instructions laid out in the error message solve your problem?
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1780[14:20:06] <ghormoon> yeah, apt-get install -f did fix it, I was just curious why did I have to do it explicitly
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1789[14:22:33] <bakkal> busted.
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1799[14:26:42] <imMute> Is it possible to mark a file in /etc as *not* a conffile?
1800[14:27:01] <darxmurf> rename it to file.notconf
1801[14:27:03] <darxmurf> (haha)
1802[14:27:28] <petn-randall> imMute: Sounds like a xy problem to me.
1803[14:27:29] <petn-randall> !xy
1804[14:27:29] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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1806[14:28:18] <Kelsar> nice, joining the channel you get PMed profanitys...
1807[14:28:37] <petn-randall> Kelsar: From where?
1808[14:28:47] <Kelsar> petn-randall: vladimir offal
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1810[14:28:59] <ste> Italu
1811[14:29:07] <ste> Italy
1812[14:29:16] <petn-randall> Kelsar: Bring it up in #freenode, the operators can check it and ban those people if needed.
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1814[14:30:08] <petn-randall> (assuming those are people and not just bots)
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1816[14:30:50] <sine0> I have a headless server running at HQ and I want to access the router 192.168.0.1 with my browser externally. whats the best solution
1817[14:31:08] <sine0> so im outside and need to edit some port forwards on the home router
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1819[14:31:27] <imMute> petn-randall: I'm making a package that I want to "own" /etc/ntp.conf (for example, there are others). So I'm making my package divert /etc/ntp.conf (via dpkg-divert) and this install my own file. I want updates to my package to unconditionally overwrite /etc/ntp.conf
1820[14:31:29] <petn-randall> sine0: Can you ssh into the server?
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1822[14:31:38] <sine0> yes full access
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1824[14:31:48] <no_gravity> Will any files get lost when copying a directory with "cp -r mydir /some/where/"?
1825[14:31:49] <sine0> just wnat to know the best cleanest. Im sure i did some tunnel before but cant remember
1826[14:32:05] <petn-randall> imMute: Sounds like you actually want to use some form of config management, like ansible, puppet, chef, etc.
1827[14:32:07] <imMute> petn-randall: Yes, I know about things like Ansible,Chef,Puppet,whatever. I can't use those.
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1829[14:32:29] <petn-randall> Why can't you use those?
1830[14:32:43] <ezra-s> no_gravity: files are copied not moved, and still they don't get lost
1831[14:32:45] <petn-randall> ansible only requires working ssh.
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1833[14:33:06] <ghormoon> btw how long does it usually take intel-microcode to get packaged and pass up to backports?
1834[14:33:14] <imMute> petn-randall: we sell an embedded device to customers. customers don't want to have to do "management" like a server (and most of them can't anyway).
1835[14:33:15] <no_gravity> ezra-s: Will it copy *all* files?
1836[14:33:35] <ezra-s> no_gravity: yes
1837[14:33:43] <no_gravity> ezra-s: Awesome!
1838[14:33:56] <ezra-s> no_gravity: try and see is the best method
1839[14:34:04] <petn-randall> imMute: Hmm, I see. So you have currently have a Debian source package like 'my_custom_ntp'?
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1841[14:34:06] <towo^work> ghormoon, before it can packaged, it has to be released
1842[14:34:16] <imMute> petn-randall: no, right now it's the stock debian ntp.
1843[14:34:18] <no_gravity> ezra-s: The definition of 'see' could be interesting.
1844[14:35:07] <ezra-s> no_gravity: find, ls or your favourite command/gui application
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1846[14:36:11] <alkisg> imMute: one way could be to ship symlinks from /etc/ to your /usr/share/package dir
1847[14:36:38] <ghormoon> ah, I've joust found out there's not a tar.gz on intel yet, though the docs they released on 6th marh sya to use revision 0x84, so this was maybe not yet released or I'll have to pic it up somewhere manually?
1848[14:37:28] <towo^work> ghormoon, intel has not released the data file
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1852[14:37:35] <ghormoon> hm, it seems 84 is in 20180312 so it the reverted package maybe (because some other CPUs had issues)?
1853[14:37:46] <towo^work> ghormoon, the only have given it to mainboard vendors and mirosoft
1854[14:38:14] <towo^work> at the moment, there is no new microcode
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1856[14:39:07] <imMute> alkisg: so use dpkg-divert to move the "real" file out of the way, and then ship symlinks (in /etc) and the real config file (in /usr/share/whatever) in my package?
1857[14:39:21] <alkisg> Yes
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1859[14:39:31] <imMute> alkisg: interesting, I'll have to give it that a try
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1862[14:40:06] <alkisg> imMute: note though that if you dpkg-divert on postinst, you can't ship the same files, because they'll conflict in the unpacking stage, afaik, and that means you'd need to create the symlinks on postinst too
1863[14:40:23] <alkisg> If a pre-depends package does the dpkg-divert, then it's ok
1864[14:40:38] <ghormoon> well, there's 20180312, I can download the tar, but dunno why it says there's newer version linking to 20171117
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1866[14:41:20] <towo^work> ghormoon, i do not see 20180312 in intel download center
1867[14:41:37] <ghormoon> replaced-url
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1869[14:42:29] <towo^work> that version is not officaly linked
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1875[14:43:34] <petn-randall> ghormoon: replaced-url
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1878[14:44:27] <ghormoon> where did that version come from? :) I didn't find any 20180306 so far :D
1879[14:44:55] <imMute> alkisg: I did the dpkg-divert in preinst.
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1881[14:45:10] <petn-randall> ghormoon: That's an experimental version packaged by the maintainer (hmh).
1882[14:45:15] <ghormoon> but the document I took it (what version I should use for my CPU) from is from that date replaced-url
1883[14:45:22] <JohnA> I keep running into a problem installing. I have 5 2tb drives for a raid 5 - 6 array, install seems to go OK, but will not boot - uefi problem. suggestions?
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1885[14:45:31] <imMute> alkisg: I'm prety sure I got that from DDC somewhere...
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1887[14:45:36] <ghormoon> yeah, but I don't see the source on intel. either 20171117 or 20180312
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1892[14:47:33] <ghormoon> maybe he manually picked the files stated in the document for the cpus that were not actually rolled back from the bad update?
1893[14:47:40] <noze> How are video devices enumerated? I want my internal webcam to show up as /dev/video4 instead of /dev/video0. What's the cleanest way to achieve this?
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1896[14:48:04] <ghormoon> the rev 0.84 is from 2018-01-21 so it might be
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1907[14:51:39] <imMute> petn-randall: in other news, you were a little bit right. it wasn't working this time around (for ntp.conf even though I did everything the same as for usbmount.conf) b/c for some reason the file wasn't getting copied to the temp folder when building the package. that was bizarre.
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1910[14:53:04] <asterismo_l> vlt, hi, i'm back from sleep
1911[14:53:53] <asterismo_l> i'm cloning sdc to sda with this dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sda conv=sync,noerror and it have not finished yet, it started 10hrs ago...
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1914[14:54:34] <vlt> asterismo_l: Hi! I'd stop that.
1915[14:54:43] <asterismo_l> it is damn slow
1916[14:54:47] <jhutchins_wk> asterismo_l: What size are the drives?
1917[14:54:57] <JustASlacker> specify a blocksize
1918[14:54:57] <vlt> asterismo_l: You only need the first few bytes for a working partition table.
1919[14:55:02] <asterismo_l> 1tb
1920[14:55:14] <asterismo_l> JustASlacker, bs=1M?
1921[14:55:20] <vlt> asterismo_l: What error message did you get from the --add command?
1922[14:55:30] <JustASlacker> uh, do you want to copy the device or just the partiion table / mbr?
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1924[14:55:41] <vlt> asterismo_l: Did you successfully run `sfdisk -R /dev/sda` before?
1925[14:55:58] <JustASlacker> noze: some udev rule
1926[14:56:11] <asterismo_l> i ran this according to the notes: sfdisk -d /dev/sdc | sfdisk -R /dev/sda
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1928[14:56:15] <asterismo_l> and it did nothing
1929[14:56:25] <vlt> asterismo_l: Can you paste `fdisk -l` and `lsblk`?
1930[14:56:44] <vlt> asterismo_l: And stop that dd'ing. That doesn't make much sense.
1931[14:57:06] <alkisg> imMute: the problem with preinst is that if it fails, you still have the no-longer-managed-by-you dpkg-divertions in place
1932[14:57:21] <vlt> asterismo_l: Could you --stop /dev/md0 without error?
1933[14:57:49] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, try without -R. and what does sfdisk -d /dev/sdc give you without the | ?
1934[14:58:01] <asterismo_l> wait
1935[14:58:47] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, also never conv=sync,noerror - if you have read errors, go with ddrescue
1936[14:58:56] <asterismo_l> first, vlt this is the part when it finished the pvmove and started adding replaced-url
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1938[14:59:19] <only> there is any auto input for hindi langauage translation aka Transliteration ....hindi input translated automatically to english in libre office ...like this software lipikaar as done in windows
1939[14:59:20] <asterismo_l> vlt, i did stop md0 without errors
1940[14:59:39] <vlt> asterismo_l: Ok
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1942[14:59:54] <vlt> asterismo_l: Line 27 tells me that the kernel doesn't know about the new partition layout.
1943[14:59:58] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, lsblk? sounds like you added the old sda1 partition
1944[15:00:14] <frostschutz> if so you should fail remove that
1945[15:00:32] <asterismo_l> fdisk -l replaced-url
1946[15:00:56] <vlt> asterismo_l: I have to go for an hour ...
1947[15:01:17] <asterismo_l> lsblk replaced-url
1948[15:01:32] <asterismo_l> frostschutz, yes, it looks like the old partition...
1949[15:01:59] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, oh, you already removed it? that looks fine actually... cat /proc/mdstat?
1950[15:02:37] <frostschutz> oh, you went with gpt
1951[15:02:59] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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1954[15:04:33] <vlt> asterismo_l: I'm back. Meeting starts in 7 minutes.
1955[15:04:52] <imMute> alkisg: I don't think I need to worry about that. I have a "installer wrapper" that wraps apt and if *anything* fails it does a filesystem snapshot rollback.
1956[15:05:04] <vlt> asterismo_l: What does `sfdisk -R /dev/sda` so now?
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1958[15:06:05] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, okay. stop the dd if it's still running. file -s /dev/sda*?
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1966[15:08:58] <asterismo_l> i'w running it with bs=4M
1967[15:09:05] <asterismo_l> it will finish soon
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1969[15:11:24] <vlt> asterismo_l: You just can stop it.
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1977[15:13:18] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, dd is wrong, so stop it. with gpt, you'll need sgdisk and squeeze a bios_grub partition into 64s-2047s.
1978[15:13:24] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, something like this replaced-url
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1993[15:23:33] <tw> ~1 MB is big enough for bios_grub? Yikes.
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1999[15:26:13] <hyperlumic> 1MiB has been enough every time I've done such an install.
2000[15:26:31] <spacemn> Hi guys, on Debian Stretch I'm trying to figured out what component Gnome component displays a popup called with a text "Select Audio Device" (replaced-url
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2003[15:27:14] <spacemn> probably I should re-read before pressing the return key
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2005[15:30:10] <spacemn> damn, only now I realized that the other PC has two jacks instead of a single one, so it doesn't have the other pin to use a headset with mic...
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2010[15:33:09] <spacemn> anyway, I would still be interested to know what Gnome component is responsible for the "Select Audio Device" popup
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2012[15:33:48] <tw> spacemn: If you've got the window open, you can find its process image and dpkg -S that binary...
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2018[15:34:59] <tw> If you don't know the PID or don't know the name, xprop _NET_WM_PID then click the window.
2019[15:35:34] <greycat> I think the issue is that he *doesn't* have it and can't figure out how to get it, but only remembers it from the distant past.
2020[15:35:40] <spacemn> yeah, but when the popup appears i can only use the mouse, can I launch xwininfo from a console?
2021[15:35:54] <spacemn> exporting DISPLAY?
2022[15:36:27] <greycat> Oh, you *can* get it on one of your systems? Never mind then.
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2025[15:37:22] <tw> spacemn: I tried it and it appears to work.
2026[15:37:43] <greycat> Open a terminal first, then bring up this popup thing, then you can run whatever commands you want inside the terminal, unless the popup completely seizes your entire UI, in which case I would ininstall GNOME.
2027[15:37:48] <greycat> Hell, I would uninstall GNOME anyway.
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2029[15:38:04] <tw> ^- I'm with greycat on that one. Gnome always causes me problems =(
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2033[15:38:25] <spacemn> ^__^
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2035[15:38:58] <greycat> GNOME is notorious for being completely unreasonable to work with, not doing anything the way everything else does it, etc.
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2043[15:44:03] <spacemn> the fxxxer doesn't let me grab the mouse, GRRR
2044[15:44:29] <spacemn> I'm thinking it's a popup from gnome-shell
2045[15:44:45] <greycat> I don't know what you're saying. "Doesn't let me grab the mouse"?
2046[15:44:55] <greycat> Is the mouse pointer locked within a window?
2047[15:45:03] <spacemn> xprop: error: Can't grab the mouse.
2048[15:45:09] <greycat> ... what
2049[15:46:07] <greycat> So I guess the actual complaint is "When I run xprop, I get this error".
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2051[15:46:58] <tw> spacemn: At this point I'd look at pstree and make some reasonable guesses.
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2055[15:48:50] <vlt> asterismo_l: Back.
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2061[15:51:03] <greycat> spacemn: What's the actual problem you're trying to solve? Trying to get audio to work? Is it muted? Is there an error? Is pulseaudio installed/not-installed (same state) on both systems? Are you trying to use ALSA or Pulse output?
2062[15:51:08] <asterismo_l> vlt ok
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2064[15:51:38] <asterismo_l> can you check frostschutz suggestion? replaced-url
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2066[15:53:00] <vlt> asterismo_l: I'd follow their line 6 ;-)
2067[15:54:24] <vlt> asterismo_l: Like suggested yesterday, use cfdisk to create two "dos style" partitions and use them for the --add command. After sync repartition sdc again to get rid of the gpt stuff.
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2069[15:54:47] <vlt> asterismo_l: That's what _I_ would do.
2070[15:55:51] <spacemn> greycat: I have two Dell XPS 9333, both with Stretch, when I plug an headset/headphone in the jack the popup appears, the problem that I can't isolate in one of the notebooks is if I click the headset icon the audio is muted, in the other the audio works, if I click the headphone or close the popup the audio works
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2075[15:56:53] <greycat> If you're trying to unmute audio, I would bypass all that GNOME crap and either use alsamixer (if pulse is NOT installed) or pavucontrol (??) (if pulse IS installed).
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2079[15:58:30] <spacemn> yeah, I'm going to try to remove pulse and use straight alsa and see if the problem persist
2080[15:58:58] <BluesKaj> and make sure automute is disabled in alsamixer
2081[15:59:16] <spacemn> BluesKaj: OK
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2084[16:00:56] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, you can choose whichever you like because the disk is <2TB... for >2TB you'd pretty much have to go with gpt because msdos stops at 2TB (for 512e sector)
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2097[16:07:11] <Trel> Is there a quick way to see what packages will get automatically installed along with a specific package?
2098[16:07:25] <greycat> apt-get -u install foo
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2102[16:08:53] <Trel> grey, that says show upgraded
2103[16:08:53] <asterismo_l> vlt, frostschutz but the partition did not resized, it still 500gb
2104[16:09:22] <greycat> well, what happens if you leave it out? what happens if you put it in? one of them ought to answer the question.
2105[16:09:27] <somiaj> Trel: there is --dry-run, -s, --simulate, so apt-get -s install foo
2106[16:09:36] <greycat> I always use apt-get -u upgrade so I can see what it wants to pull in.
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2109[16:10:01] <somiaj> in most cases apt will ask you a Y/n question if you want to continoue an install and list the stuff, but the --dry-run can be used first if you don't want apt to just install the package if there is nothing else that needs isntalled.
2110[16:10:06] <Trel> greycat: and what if you already have the packaged it wants installed, those would show nothing, and it would install
2111[16:10:14] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, you mean the vg root? show: pvs, vgs, lvs
2112[16:10:15] <greycat> *sigh*
2113[16:10:16] <greycat> fuck...
2114[16:10:22] <vlt> asterismo_l: Slow down, what did you do and how do you know it's 500 G?
2115[16:10:26] <greycat> ASK THE QUESTION YOU WANT THE ANSWER TO IN THE FIRST PLACE
2116[16:10:31] <Trel> I did
2117[16:10:55] <somiaj> Trel: so what you want is a list of depends that is different than the list of packages that get automatically isntalled.
2118[16:11:06] <greycat> No, you did NOT say "it's a package that I already have, and I am just asking out of curiosity, NOT because I actually intend to install it"
2119[16:11:06] <somiaj> Trel: in this case look at apt-cache depends or apt-rdepends
2120[16:11:28] <vlt> asterismo_l, frostschutz: vg was pvmove'd to the new md. Should have increased.
2121[16:11:43] <frostschutz> vlt, I think he's missing the lvextend / resize2fs / ...
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2123[16:12:06] <Trel> Does that show it as far as specifically which packages it would be or just in the form of it needs this program, or this library?
2124[16:12:22] <greycat> If the ACTUAL question is "How much extra space will this thing and its deps use from a Standard install", the ONLY WAY TO ANSWER THAT is to have a Standard install lying around (chroot, vm, whatever) and try it THERE.
2125[16:12:31] <vlt> frostschutz: Yes, maybe he's talking about the file system now.
2126[16:13:16] <Trel> greycat: the actual question is the question I asked the first time.
2127[16:13:17] <imMute> so I have a package that has a previous version already installed. a new version adds a new file (which happens to be owned by another package, so I dpkg-divert in the preinst) but dpkg complains about the file being deleted and bombs out of configure. it's like it doesn't realize that the version being installed is the first version that shipped that file... anyone have any idea what's could be going
2128[16:13:23] <somiaj> Trel: you are not being clear what you want, so you won't get a good answer. apt-cache depends will list all depends of a package recrusivally I belive. ACtually you need apt-rdepends to list them all, apt-rdpends packagename will list all depends (but not suggested/recommended)
2129[16:13:23] <imMute> on here?
2130[16:13:28] <greycat> Trel: Then the answer is "apt-get -s install foo".
2131[16:13:53] <vlt> asterismo_l: You first have to finnish the whole raid and grub stuff before moving to resizing LVs and file systems.
2132[16:13:54] <greycat> Trel: "apt-get n-s install foo" will tell you what it will install FOR YOU, ON THIS HOST, RIGHT NOW, which is EXACTLY what you asked.
2133[16:13:56] <somiaj> Trel: if you want to just know what extra packages need to be installed to install a paticular package, then as we said you can use -s, --dry-run, --simulate (all the same) to test what apt would do.
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2137[16:16:13] <Trel> Neither of those options are showing what I'm asking for with the package I am testing with.
2138[16:16:35] <greycat> Then please stop being an ass and ask for what you actually want to know the answer to.
2139[16:16:56] <greycat> You've contradicted yourself multiple times now and it is annoying as hell.
2140[16:17:56] <Trel> I don't see a single contraction with what I'm asking. What am I not being clear about?
2141[16:18:09] <Trel> I thought what I was asking was pretty straight forward.
2142[16:19:01] <Trel> If I were to do 'apt-get install ufw' What would automatically get installed? I know iptables would for example, but 'apt-get -s install ufw' does not mention iptables at all.
2143[16:19:29] <somiaj> Trel: is iptables already installed? Do you want the list of packages that 'will be installed' or do you want a list of 'all dependencies'
2144[16:19:37] <greycat> And "sudo apt-get install ufw" answers this for me on my system.
2145[16:19:39] <somiaj> these are different, as the first competely depends on what you already have isntalled.
2146[16:19:50] <greycat> What did it do for you and what did you EXPECT it to do?
2147[16:19:55] <somiaj> and I have already given you answers to generate both lists
2148[16:19:55] <Trel> greycat: and if I ran that command, it would install UFW
2149[16:20:01] <greycat> shit, I mean sudo apt-get -s install ufw
2150[16:20:14] <greycat> YOU HAVE ME SO FUCKING ANGRY I CANNO TYPE
2151[16:20:25] <somiaj> Trel: that is what the -s is for, it won't actually isntall anything.
2152[16:20:25] <greycat> ... can't take this. *plonk*
2153[16:20:30] <Trel> somiaj: when I use apt-cache depends, it lists things like "<python3:any>" but that's not a package.
2154[16:20:50] <imMute> Trel: yeah it is. it's just in a format you don't recognize.
2155[16:21:06] <greycat> replaced-url
2156[16:21:26] <somiaj> Trel: python3:any is a package, it is a meta package that depends on the current version of python 3
2157[16:21:38] <annadane> tsk tsk, grey. update your system. (:
2158[16:21:40] <Trel> greycat: where's iptables mentioned in that paste?
2159[16:21:44] <greycat> what?
2160[16:21:45] <somiaj> but youse apt-rdepends if you want to search through depends recrusivally.
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2162[16:21:56] <annadane> i'm kidding. (71 packages not upgraded)
2163[16:21:57] <BluesKaj> greycat, I sympathise, but take break for a few mins
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2165[16:22:19] <greycat> Ah, I didn't do the 9.4 update on this box yet? Damn it.
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2168[16:22:37] <Trel> somiaj is that a separate program to install or part of a base system?
2169[16:22:45] <greycat> BluesKaj: I used my standard 10 day /ignore on him.
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2174[16:23:16] <somiaj> Trel: python3 is an optional package, as in stretch python (which is python2) is the python version that gets installed by default.
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2176[16:23:49] <Trel> sorry, I meant apt-rdepends
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2178[16:23:55] <BluesKaj> greycat, ok, probly a good move :-)
2179[16:23:55] <Trel> with that question
2180[16:23:57] <greycat> annadane: I still get the same result for -s install ufw after the 9.4 upgrade
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2183[16:24:49] <somiaj> Trel: so what you want is some strange question, if I have some 'base install' (note this can vary) what new packages would be installed on that system? Well this first depends on what you mean by 'base install', so you could either create such a 'base system' and run apt-get -s install foo on that system, or look though all the depends, recommends, and suggested packages using a tool like apt-rdepends.
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2185[16:25:15] <somiaj> I guess you could debootstrap yourself a minimial install and then run apt-get -s inside that chroot
2186[16:25:26] <greycat> 11:12 greycat> If the ACTUAL question is "How much extra space will this thing and its deps use from a Standard install", the ONLY WAY TO ANSWER THAT is to have a Standard install lying around (chroot, vm, whatever) and try it THERE.
2187[16:26:23] <Trel> somiaj: hold on, I was asking if apt-rdepends is included in a standard debian install since I don't seem to have it.
2188[16:27:06] <somiaj> Trel: not it is not
2189[16:27:15] <somiaj> first not is no
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2194[16:28:21] <Trel> Thank you. That's all I was asking there. I already had apt-get and apt-cache, and I know apt-file needs to be separately installed, so I wanted to double check there.
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2199[16:31:13] <Trel> I think that's working 99% of what I am looking for
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2202[16:32:02] <somiaj> I still think there is an XY problem here, and you have some goal to use with this list, and you should have just asked about the goal.
2203[16:33:03] <Trel> Maybe I used a wrong term or something, but I'm not seeing how that list isn't exactly what I was asking for. Isn't that the list of packages that would get automatically installed?
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2206[16:34:19] <somiaj> the list of packages that will get automatically installed totally depends on what is installed (And if you install recommended and/or suggested packages)
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2212[16:34:53] <somiaj> this list can be generated by apt-get -s install foo as we have said, if you run it on a system that is in the state you consider 'base'
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2214[16:35:23] <somiaj> but it seems werid to me you are asking about the list apt gives you every time you try to install a package and asks you Y/n, do you want to do this.
2215[16:35:48] <Trel> But that's specific to the system I run it on. I'm assuming apt-rdepends would return identical information provided I'm looking up the same version of the same package. (Where as apt-get -s would differ based on what's already installed)
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2217[16:36:20] <Trel> (I wasn't asking about the list from the Y/n thing, that's what I was saying I didn't want)
2218[16:36:23] <somiaj> apt-rdepends recruisvally lists all the depends a package has, so this gives you the full list of depends (note you may ahve to use flags to include recommands and/or sugested)
2219[16:37:21] <somiaj> but this gives a full list, include core packages you many not want in your list, because you seem to want some random list that is somewhere between all of the depends, and what would be installed on your system relative to a 'standard system', so build this standard system, run apt-get -s install foo in that system.
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2221[16:37:54] <Trel> I think that's where the confusion was. I DID want the full list.
2222[16:38:29] <Trel> I was saying I did NOT want a subjective list based on the system I run the command from (other than major version differences of course)
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2224[16:39:09] <somiaj> aslo note, depends are sometimes or, like chromium | firefox, rdepends will list them both, but depending on your system one or the other maybe prefered based on what is already isntalled.
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2226[16:39:30] <Trel> That's why I was saying 'apt-get -s install' wasn't what I was looking for because if I run it on my machine it would say just ufw, since I already have iptables installed, but I know for sure that ufw depdnds on it.
2227[16:39:43] <somiaj> but the real question we have asked is, what do you want to do with this list?
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2229[16:39:55] <Trel> Nothing at all. I honestly just wanted the list.
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2232[16:41:18] <Trel> It was a case of I'm reading about ufw, see it's a way to manipulate iptables rules, so I wondered if it would require it be installed, so I then was curious to see if there was a way to see all the packages that would get installed should I install it.
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2234[16:43:26] <somiaj> After this conversation you should start distnigushing between 'would be installed' and 'depends on'
2235[16:44:17] <somiaj> most things depend on libc6, you are most likely in some very messedup state if this package would be installed during an install process (here installed, not upgraded)
2236[16:45:23] <greycat> Another useful skill would be the ability to convey your desires clearly, rather than saying "Is there a quick way to see what packages will get automatically installed along with a specific package?" when you actually mean "What would ufw bring in if I had only a Standard install?"
2237[16:45:50] <somiaj> also due to or depends, optional depends, and conflicts or breaks depends, there is no single list of packages that would be installed could differe based on the system even if all the versions were the exact same.
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2242[16:47:36] <somiaj> Trel: also in this case, 'apt show ufw' would have given you the info that iptables is required to be installed for uwf.
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2252[16:49:18] <Trel> greycat: the reason I didn't ask that is because at that point I was asking in general rather than specific to ufw. That may have been my test case, but I was asking in general for any/all packages.
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2255[16:49:51] <Trel> somiaj: that looks like it gives the equivalent of the depdendencies listed in apt-cache depends rather than apt-rdepends which is pretty much what I wanted.
2256[16:50:16] <greycat> somiaj: Don't know what Trel is saying currently, but *most* of the time when people ask for this kind of thing, it's because they have two systems -- one on the Internet, and one not on the Internet, and they want to sneakernet a bunch of packages from the first system to the second system, but for some reason they are unwilling to run "apt-get -s install foo" on the second to get the list (I don't know
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2259[16:50:22] <greycat> why).
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2261[16:51:14] <greycat> (or because their second system is 7 point releases behind, since it can't apt-get upgrade to get security updates, etc.)
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2265[16:51:49] <greycat> (but of course most people are capable of expressing this goal with only a couple minutes of poking)
2266[16:52:29] <Trel> greycat: As I said, my end goal was the list. I didn't want to do anything with the list. I just wanted to get it. The answer to my question was apt-rdepends.
2267[16:52:29] <asterismo_l> vlt, it has 500gb see replaced-url
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2269[16:52:35] <Trel> (and somiaj, thank you again for that)
2270[16:52:48] <asterismo_l> line for bulldozer--vg-root
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2272[16:53:06] <somiaj> though apt-rdepends dosen't nesicarlly give you the list you asked for, it gives you a list of all depends, (you would have to manually parse any or depends or conflicts)
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2274[16:55:15] <Trel> It's close enough since anything else WOULD be system specific, no?
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2282[17:01:00] <pyc0d3r> hi there
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2307[17:11:45] <vlt> asterismo_l: Pronoun game?
2308[17:11:57] <vlt> asterismo_l: _What_ has 500 GB?
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2311[17:13:21] <vlt> asterismo_l: You mean the volume group on which your root file system lives? Please, let's deal with that way later. You first have to finnish the raid setup.
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2314[17:14:15] <antoszka> there's norway I'm gonna finnish it ;)
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2316[17:15:25] <vlt> :D
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2328[17:21:07] <asterismo_l> vlt, crypto partition is 1tb (930gb) but lvm / is 500gb (446gb) ok, i'll finish the raid setup first
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2331[17:24:15] <vlt> asterismo_l: Next step?
2332[17:24:25] <vlt> asterismo_l: cfdisk?
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2335[17:25:22] <vlt> asterismo_l: Just to calm you down a little: have a look at the output of `vgs`. What does that tell you?
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2340[17:26:15] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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2342[17:27:10] <asterismo_l> vlt, i just wanted to finish the dd of sdc into sda in case i miss you and i end up restoring the raid at that state
2343[17:27:43] <asterismo_l> it has finished now
2344[17:27:59] <asterismo_l> i'm ready
2345[17:28:09] <vlt> asterismo_l: Ok, now that you've spent hours dd'ing the disks ... let's destroy everything on sda :-D
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2347[17:28:20] <asterismo_l> hahaha
2348[17:28:26] <asterismo_l> ok
2349[17:28:42] <asterismo_l> let me post the current state
2350[17:28:48] <asterismo_l> lsblk and so on
2351[17:29:00] <vlt> asterismo_l: dd'ing the whole disk _while_ it's used for write access isn't the greatest idea anyways.
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2353[17:29:23] <asterismo_l> lsblk replaced-url
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2358[17:29:56] <asterismo_l> fdisk -l replaced-url
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2361[17:30:34] <vlt> asterismo_l: 1) cfdisk /dev/sda
2362[17:30:35] <asterismo_l> mdstat replaced-url
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2364[17:30:56] <asterismo_l> i see sda1 and sda2
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2366[17:31:11] <asterismo_l> after, cfdisk /dev/sda, should i delete them?
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2368[17:31:42] <vlt> asterismo_l: Slow down. Just run `cfdisk /dev/sda` for now.
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2370[17:31:47] <asterismo_l> ok
2371[17:32:06] <asterismo_l> it opened the partitioner
2372[17:32:13] <vlt> asterismo_l: After the gpt (and dd) surprise I'd like to make sure everything works fine.
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2374[17:32:44] <asterismo_l> ok
2375[17:33:01] <vlt> asterismo_l: Can you delete all the partitions on sda?
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2377[17:33:06] <asterismo_l> yes
2378[17:33:31] <vlt> asterismo_l: I want to make sure afterwards that the kernel gets notified.
2379[17:33:54] <asterismo_l> maybe tail -f /var/log/kern...?
2380[17:34:01] <asterismo_l> something like that?
2381[17:34:05] <vlt> journalctl -f
2382[17:34:31] <asterismo_l> and now delete them?
2383[17:34:47] <vlt> asterismo_l: Yes.
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2391[17:37:05] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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2393[17:38:13] <asterismo_l> it gets notified rigth?
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2396[17:38:46] <vlt> asterismo_l: Yes, perfect.
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2401[17:39:06] <spacemn> OK gang, removed pulseaudio and configured alsa as suggested, somewhat fixed the muted headphones but lost global media keys, reinstalled PA, looked for a way to reset the configuration of the soundcard, tried with the alsactl nrestore command and success, now selecting the headset doesn't mute the headphones, so the two notebooks work in the same way and I'm at peace with the world again. Thanks all once
2402[17:39:08] <spacemn> more.
2403[17:39:44] <vlt> asterismo_l: Now create a dos style partition table and two partitions (roughly the size you chose yesterday for sdc) using cfdisk.
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2405[17:40:03] <vlt> asterismo_l: Maybe you need `cfdisk -z` to start from zero.
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2407[17:41:22] <asterismo_l> 512MB for boot, primary?
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2409[17:41:38] <asterismo_l> for md1
2410[17:41:50] <asterismo_l> and the rest for md2
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2412[17:42:08] <vlt> asterismo_l: Yes.
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2414[17:42:14] <hyperlumic> Any good reason to break out boot like that?
2415[17:42:16] <asterismo_l> both primary or sda2 must be extended?
2416[17:42:40] <vlt> asterismo_l: Your fdisk shows "488M" but maybe that's just a MB vs. MiB thing.
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2418[17:42:44] <vlt> asterismo_l: both primary.
2419[17:42:55] <jelly> hyperlumic: yes.
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2421[17:42:58] <vlt> hyperlumic: /boot is not encrypted.
2422[17:43:07] <hyperlumic> OH, I missed the part where this was encrypted.
2423[17:43:13] <asterismo_l> vlt, yes i always write 512MB and then it shows a little less
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2426[17:43:48] <asterismo_l> done
2427[17:43:54] <asterismo_l> fdisk -l?
2428[17:43:55] <jelly> asterismo_l: some is lots to metadata, some to filesystem 5% reservation
2429[17:43:58] <jelly> lost*
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2431[17:44:19] <asterismo_l> jelly, sure
2432[17:44:33] <jelly> tho not applicable to fdisk output
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2435[17:44:52] <vlt> jelly: fdisk doesn't care for file systems
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2437[17:45:46] <vlt> 500 * 1000 / 1024 == 488
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2439[17:46:05] <vlt> There's your difference.
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2444[17:46:50] <asterismo_l> vlt, i'm ready
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2447[17:47:30] <vlt> asterismo_l: `ls -l /dev/sd*` and journal lines, please.
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2451[17:49:32] <vlt> asterismo_l: Now `mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sda1` and sda2 to md2a'30
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2453[17:49:41] <vlt> -'30
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2463[17:52:02] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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2467[17:53:27] <vlt> asterismo_l: Ok.
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2470[17:53:47] <vlt> Let's see what mdadm does now.
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2473[17:54:06] <asterismo_l> mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sda1
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2475[17:54:24] <asterismo_l> sorry
2476[17:54:44] <asterismo_l> mdadm: added /dev/sda1
2477[17:54:52] <vlt> asterismo_l: Now md2
2478[17:55:04] <asterismo_l> mdadm: added /dev/sda2
2479[17:55:11] <vlt> asterismo_l: Well done!
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2482[17:55:40] <vlt> asterismo_l: That will take a while. /proc/mdstat will tell you
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2484[17:56:11] <asterismo_l> lsblk replaced-url
2485[17:56:45] <asterismo_l> i still see "├─bulldozer--vg-root 253:1 0 446,5G 0 lvm /"
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2487[17:57:10] <vlt> asterismo_l: That's good. It's still there ;)
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2489[17:57:33] <asterismo_l> this is mdstat
2490[17:57:35] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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2493[17:58:07] <vlt> asterismo_l: Everything according to the prophecy.
2494[17:58:36] <vlt> Now you have to take care for your config files.
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2496[17:58:47] <asterismo_l> yes
2497[17:59:14] <asterismo_l> vlt, but isn't the / partition fill to the whole tb?
2498[18:00:00] <vlt> asterismo_l: Damnit, could you please wait until the important things are done?
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2502[18:00:24] <asterismo_l> ok ok, will we get to that later?
2503[18:00:25] <jelly> don't you have two more layers to get up to the / filesystem
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2505[18:00:33] <asterismo_l> yes
2506[18:00:37] <asterismo_l> i'm sorry
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2509[18:01:19] <vlt> asterismo_l: Increasing the root file system is literally two commands later.
2510[18:01:26] <asterismo_l> k
2511[18:01:30] <asterismo_l> ok, great
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2515[18:01:43] <vlt> asterismo_l: Both with "resize" in their name :-D
2516[18:01:51] <asterismo_l> i suppose i have to learn the new UUIDs etc
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2518[18:01:59] <jelly> pv, luks then lvresize can do both LV and filesystem, with -r
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2520[18:02:46] <vlt> jelly: Wow, then it's only one. Thank you!
2521[18:03:06] <jelly> yeah, it's a nice addition
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2524[18:03:47] <vlt> jelly: In most cases I have to resize my file systems separately because LVM is dealt with by the Xen host while the guest has the fs mouned.
2525[18:03:50] <jelly> calls xfs or ext3/4 thing automagically for you
2526[18:03:50] <vlt> +t
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2528[18:04:31] <jelly> I usually forget -r is there, because still have systems older than Debian 7 in places
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2533[18:05:41] <asterismo_l> now, config files, what do i have to edit?
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2535[18:06:37] <asterismo_l> this is crypttab replaced-url
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2541[18:08:15] <asterismo_l> this are disks by uuid: replaced-url
2542[18:08:23] <vlt> asterismo_l: Do you remember the list we created yesterday?
2543[18:08:27] <vlt> It's all in there.
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2545[18:08:40] <asterismo_l> edit /etc/default/grub
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2547[18:09:27] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
2548[18:09:42] <vlt> asterismo_l: I like `blkid` to show me what’s going on.
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2550[18:10:30] <asterismo_l> blkid replaced-url
2551[18:10:32] <vlt> asterismo_l: Is this the default/grub that created your current (not valid anymore) grub.cfg?
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2553[18:10:44] <vlt> No mention of cryptsetup in there?
2554[18:10:55] <asterismo_l> its debian 8
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2557[18:12:00] <vlt> 8b29... goes in crypttab, md0p5_crypt becomes md2_crypt
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2561[18:12:44] <vlt> asterismo_l: Wait, did you cryptsetup luksOpen before manually in dropbear?
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2564[18:13:42] <asterismo_l> what do you mean in dropbear?
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2567[18:14:05] <vlt> asterismo_l: Then you might not need something in grub.cfg Can you show the current /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
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2570[18:14:33] <vlt> asterismo_l: What did you do before to unencrypt the LUKS device?
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2574[18:15:03] <asterismo_l> you mean when the system booted up?
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2580[18:16:18] <asterismo_l> vlt, i followed lines from 9 to 15 replaced-url
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2582[18:17:12] <vlt> asterismo_l: I meant, when you booted before you ripped out all disks containing a boot loader :D
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2584[18:17:53] <asterismo_l> you mean the boot partition?
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2586[18:19:02] <asterismo_l> ups
2587[18:19:21] <asterismo_l> i think my boot partition is empty
2588[18:19:31] <asterismo_l> but i have a backup from yesterday
2589[18:19:38] <vlt> asterismo_l: no, you rsync'd it.
2590[18:19:56] <vlt> asterismo_l: Look at `ls -l /boot`
2591[18:20:12] <asterismo_l> total 0
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2593[18:20:16] <asterismo_l> lol
2594[18:20:19] <vlt> mount?
2595[18:20:27] <jelly> common mis taek: rsync before /boot is mounted
2596[18:20:43] <vlt> asterismo_l: Did you unmount it again?
2597[18:20:50] <jelly> but then lost+found would be there
2598[18:20:56] <vlt> Is it stikk mounted in /mnt/temp?
2599[18:20:59] <jelly> after it's mounted
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2601[18:21:10] <asterismo_l> step 20
2602[18:21:10] <vlt> s/stikk/still
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2604[18:21:44] <asterismo_l> YES
2605[18:21:47] <asterismo_l> is there
2606[18:21:52] <vlt> ok
2607[18:21:54] <asterismo_l> in /mnt/tempboot
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2610[18:22:11] <asterismo_l> i need to resync it to boot rigth?
2611[18:22:21] <asterismo_l> and mount it
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2613[18:22:36] <vlt> No, just before running update-grub and co. later make sure you mount md1 to /boot
2614[18:22:52] <vlt> First umount from /mnt/temp, then munt to /boot
2615[18:23:33] <asterismo_l> umount: /mnt/tempboot/: not mounted
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2621[18:24:24] <asterismo_l> files are in /mnt/tempboot/
2622[18:24:35] <asterismo_l> this is wrong
2623[18:24:37] <vlt> asterismo_l: Show us `mount`
2624[18:24:43] <Phrk_> hi what's the thing to have ipset persistent ?
2625[18:25:11] <Phrk_> (i try to put ipset restore in the iptables script like in the debian wiki, but it crashed my machine)
2626[18:25:13] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
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2631[18:27:00] <greycat> Phrk_: which wiki page? I don't see any ipset on replaced-url
2632[18:27:09] <vlt> asterismo_l: Ok, then you have to `mount /dev/md1 /boot; mv /mnt/tempboot/* /boot/`
2633[18:27:31] <Phrk_> greycat, i tried to mimic the iptables way of doing
2634[18:27:40] <asterismo_l> done
2635[18:27:49] <asterismo_l> vlt,
2636[18:28:05] <asterismo_l> now lets find the grub file
2637[18:28:06] <Phrk_> maybe it's a mistake since it doesn't work at all
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2640[18:28:29] <jelly> Phrk_: does it work when you do things manually?
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2642[18:28:39] <Phrk_> jelly, of course
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2644[18:28:56] <vlt> asterismo_l: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2645[18:29:07] <Phrk_> networking.service doesn't crash without ipset
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2647[18:29:39] <Phrk_> only warning about ipset ref
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2655[18:30:48] <Phrk_> in stretch there is a iptables-persistent package, any info about it ?
2656[18:30:52] <jelly> Phrk_: what crashes, precisely? Is there any output? If you have ipset-based iptables rules ipsets have to be set up before iptables
2657[18:31:12] <jelly> iptables-persistent only deals with iptables
2658[18:31:28] <asterismo_l> vlt, its a large file, it says do not edit this file. it is autogenerated?
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2660[18:31:35] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
2661[18:31:48] <tw> Technically, the sets only need to be created so the netfilter ipset module can find it. They don't have to be populated yet.
2662[18:31:59] <vlt> asterismo_l: Yes, using /etc/default/grub, which is mostly empty in your case.
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2664[18:32:37] <asterismo_l> grub-install then?
2665[18:33:39] <DammitJim> if I want to encrypt the "hard drives" of a server, do I have to basically set up a new Debian server?
2666[18:33:45] <DammitJim> or can one encrypt it on the fly?
2667[18:33:46] <Phrk_> well ok, but where i can put the script ?
2668[18:34:18] <tw> DammitJim: easier to reinstall.
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2670[18:34:40] <DammitJim> do you guys have a recommended doc to follow?
2671[18:34:50] <vlt> DammitJim: To encrypt on the fly is quite easy if your root fs is (also) on LVM.
2672[18:35:00] <DammitJim> yeah, we are using LVM
2673[18:35:09] <Phrk_> jelly, journalctl is not very verbose for the error
2674[18:35:26] <vlt> DammitJim: Is md raid involved?
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2678[18:35:49] <Phrk_> I taught there was a easy answer, and I'm lazy to set up a vm machine to test it
2679[18:36:15] <DammitJim> vlt, remind me about md raid?
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2685[18:37:25] <jelly> Phrk_: yeah I don't think there's something easier than "write a plugin for netfilter-persistent that looks similar to iptables-persistent and make sure they run in correct order"
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2687[18:38:17] <mahafyi> hello, I have Debian 9.4 with Gnome and I am experiencing random system freezes after sleep. I tried to add udev rule for the keyboard wake up, and also systemctl mask all acpi targets sleep, suspend, hybrid-sleep and hibernate. It happens on various desktops, but some run well, others have this issue.
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2690[18:39:10] <Phrk_> ipset and iptables are like the most important tools for network...
2691[18:39:14] <vlt> DammitJim: How many disks are currently in the server and how are they set up?
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2693[18:39:41] <jelly> yeah no, ipset is not used that often
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2698[18:40:48] <jelly> Phrk_: in any case ranting won't get scripts written, get to it! And submit to debian when it's done plz kthx
2699[18:41:02] <DammitJim> vlt, it varies... I have some that have 1 disk
2700[18:41:25] <DammitJim> I have some that have multiple, so we can take it a step at a time with the simplest case
2701[18:41:36] <DammitJim> now, I don't think there is RAID here since they are all Virtual Disks
2702[18:41:38] <DammitJim> in a vm
2703[18:41:45] <vlt> asterismo_l: You can try an `update-grub` but I think we need help of others more experienced with the boot process.
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2706[18:41:54] <DammitJim> all this stuff these days is like peeling an onion
2707[18:42:07] <mahafyi> also can anyone point me to how I can set the hostname that will be discoverable in LAN (the systems use dhcp ipv4)
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2710[18:43:19] <jelly> mahafyi: option host-name in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, maybe? I'm just guessing. Might not be enough or might be wrong.
2711[18:43:20] <spacemn> mahafyi: like avahi/mdnssd
2712[18:43:24] <spacemn> ?
2713[18:43:46] <asterismo_l> and what about dropbear?
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2716[18:43:55] <jelly> if you haven't disabled avahi-daemon it will Just Work regardless of dhcp
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2718[18:44:14] <jelly> s/will/should/
2719[18:44:16] <Phrk_> jelly, so can you show me how to access to the source, packet info and co ? On archlinux it's so easy there is pkgbuild and co, on debian i'm total lost
2720[18:44:18] <vlt> DammitJim: Ok, no raid to borrow an empty disk from. Check if you can free some space for a new PV to encrypt and then pvmove to.
2721[18:44:19] <alkisg> mahafyi: with avahi, if your hostname is pc01, you can ping it from other pcs like "ping pc01.local"
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2723[18:44:30] <alkisg> Otherwise you need a dns server
2724[18:44:34] <greycat> Phrk_: /msg dpkg source
2725[18:44:35] <mahafyi> ok thanks : that i will try
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2727[18:44:52] <vlt> asterismo_l: grub, once instaled, is supposed to run your initrd image containing dropbear.
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2730[18:45:30] <jelly> Phrk_: this would probably have to go into a separate new package similar to iptables-persistent, so grab source package of that one and see how it works
2731[18:46:07] <jelly> but maybe write the script first and worry about proper packaging later
2732[18:46:16] <mahafyi> i am using only main in my spurces.list ; should one add contrib and non-free also to obtain a very stable system. This is with regards to system freezing up sometimes, especially after sleep
2733[18:46:23] <Phrk_> ye but where do i get the soruce ?
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2735[18:46:27] <mahafyi> sources.lsit i meant
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2737[18:46:54] <jelly> Phrk_: ask the bot: /msg dpkg deb-src, /msg dpkg source
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2739[18:47:32] <mahafyi> also, for Desktop i used amd64 arch, should it better to use i386 only?
2740[18:47:33] <spacemn> mahafyi: nah, it depends on how well the HW is supported, I've had good results with a notebook with only Intel HW
2741[18:47:43] <jelly> mahafyi: amd64 is just fine
2742[18:48:07] <mahafyi> how to identfy the cause for a freeze, i mean, what files should i look at?
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2748[18:49:44] <asterismo_l> ok
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2750[18:50:18] <spacemn> mahafyi: kernel logs, search for oops or other errors
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2752[18:50:49] <jelly> except if the system really freezes you won't find anything useful in logs
2753[18:50:50] <mahafyi> search term will have 'oops'?
2754[18:51:14] <spacemn> mahafyi: there was an old guide that explained the steps to troubleshoot sleep/resume problems
2755[18:51:20] <mahafyi> jelly: the keyboard and mouse do not work at all, i have to power it back on
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2757[18:51:40] <jelly> mahafyi: does it answer to ping on ethernet?
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2759[18:51:56] <mahafyi> jelly: i have to check next time
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2763[18:52:33] <jelly> sometimes it's only the console graphics that are frozen
2764[18:52:53] <asterismo_l> vlt, i get warnings that cannot find volume <null>
2765[18:53:00] <asterismo_l> when updating grub
2766[18:53:01] <jelly> but usually if resume fails it fails badly
2767[18:53:03] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
2768[18:53:12] <mahafyi> jelly thanks. the Dell systems come with Nvidia GPU
2769[18:53:21] <spacemn> mahafyi: you always had troubles or started recently?
2770[18:53:42] <mahafyi> spacemn : i am using Linux only for a week or so now
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2773[18:54:00] <jelly> mahafyi: free nouveau driver or non-free nvidia blob?
2774[18:54:03] <spacemn> mahafyi: ah OK, so it's not a SW regression
2775[18:54:21] <mahafyi> jelly : i do not know
2776[18:54:47] <jelly> mahafyi: does this have any output? lsmod|grep nouveau
2777[18:54:59] <jelly> if so, you're using the free driver
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2780[18:55:22] <jelly> and that one is rather buggy on some (many?) card chips
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2783[18:55:37] <GPenguin> is there a way to have "dpkg -l" output in a different order? sorted be install date would be useful
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2785[18:55:54] <jelly> GPenguin: install date is not stored anywhere
2786[18:55:57] <mahafyi> i see . i wil ltry and add the non-free and update it
2787[18:56:00] <asterismo_l> vlt, i edited crypttab, now i havo to edit mdadm.conf and fstab
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2789[18:56:01] <cusco> systemctl is returning: Failed to get properties: Failed to execute program org.freedesktop.systemd1: Permission denied
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2791[18:56:07] <cusco> what should I look at?
2792[18:56:11] <GPenguin> jelly: it is stored in /var/log/dpkg.log
2793[18:56:15] <jelly> GPenguin: except indirectly in dpkg, apt or aptitude logs
2794[18:56:21] <GPenguin> yep
2795[18:56:30] <greycat> cusco: well, I would start by looking at the permissions.
2796[18:56:45] <mahafyi> spacemn : after reading, i was thinking that it may be that i have do downgrade to jessie or upgrade to buster
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2798[18:57:15] <mahafyi> actually, i was running 9.3 and upgraded to 9.4 just now, so maybe it will be better already
2799[18:57:15] <jelly> GPenguin: install date is not storedf anywhere in an obviously useful manner.
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2801[18:57:52] <GPenguin> i grep 5 times and then the result looks useful
2802[18:57:54] <jelly> mahafyi: debian does not get very many driver fixes in its kernel patches.
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2804[18:58:05] <mahafyi> also , do i need ntpd (which i installed) ? but maybe i only need ntpdate?
2805[18:58:22] <asterismo_l> vlt, raid sync is in 33%, after fixing config files, what is left to do?
2806[18:58:25] <greycat> ntp is good to have. ntpdate is not required (not for many years).
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2808[18:58:46] <greycat> The original purpose and functionality of ntpdate has been absorbed into the ntp package.
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2812[18:59:57] <jelly> good thing you qualified the "original" purpose :>
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2814[19:00:15] <greycat> What fools use it for is another question.
2815[19:00:22] <mahafyi> the worst thing is , two identical desktops and one is running fine, lol
2816[19:00:32] <jelly> systems with very, very broken clocks
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2821[19:01:26] <mahafyi> i asked as i read from some user experience that when they removed ntpd, in manjaro, the problem of gnome freezing went away
2822[19:01:38] <RoyK> how can I see the update history for a package? something between jessie and stretch broke ipv6-only support in x11vnc, that is, from 0.9.13-1.2 to 0.9.13-2
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2825[19:02:03] <greycat> mahafyi: I'm certain that there are 10s of thousands of Debian users who have both GNOME and ntp installed and don't have serious problems.
2826[19:02:08] <jelly> RoyK: each package keeps a changelog in /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz
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2828[19:02:16] <mahafyi> greycat : thanks
2829[19:02:17] <asterismo_l> vlt, cannot install grub in sdc because its gpt
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2835[19:03:02] <hyperlumic> asterismo_l: You have to have a 1-2MiB BIOS boot partition at the start of each GPT disk for GRUB.
2836[19:03:10] <hyperlumic> Each GPT disk you want GRUB on, anyway.
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2841[19:03:59] <asterismo_l> grub-install complains on embedd is not possible... gpt bla bla
2842[19:03:59] <annadane> people use gnome?!
2843[19:04:01] <greycat> hyperlumic: Funny, my home computer boots, and does not have that.
2844[19:04:06] <jelly> asterismo_l: wasn't there talk about making such a partition at sectors offset 64-2047 inclusive a couple hours ago?
2845[19:04:07] <greycat> annadane: I know, right
2846[19:04:12] <RoyK> jelly: none of the two look relevant - it's about replaced-url
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2848[19:04:37] <asterismo_l> jelly, yes, but on that drive i created a dos after that
2849[19:04:42] <hyperlumic> greycat: Funny, the plural of anecdote isn't data.
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2851[19:04:55] <mahafyi> which is better X than gnome?
2852[19:04:55] <asterismo_l> gpt i created previously on the other disk
2853[19:04:59] <greycat> hyperlumic: replaced-url
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2856[19:05:13] <greycat> hyperlumic: it only takes one counterexample to disprove a generalized statement
2857[19:05:23] <jelly> RoyK: do affected and unaffected systems have different values for bindv6only sysctl?
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2859[19:05:36] <hyperlumic> greycat: You're booting EFI. That "BIOS boot" thing was kinda specific.
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2861[19:06:00] <jelly> RoyK: /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf:net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0
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2867[19:06:45] <hyperlumic> greycat: If he's getting the "grub embedding" error, he's not using GRUB in EFI mode.
2868[19:06:48] <RoyK> jelly: zero on both systems
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2871[19:07:03] <RoyK> as from sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only
2872[19:07:11] <jelly> RoyK: effective value? :-) Right
2873[19:07:15] <jelly> ninjad
2874[19:07:31] <RoyK> jelly: anyway - see the strace - it binds to inet6 on both ports
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2876[19:07:45] <jelly> yeah that's weird
2877[19:07:51] <RoyK> indeed
2878[19:07:57] <jelly> RoyK: what happens if you install jessie packages on stretch?
2879[19:08:00] <RoyK> setup a laptop with stretch today - same thing
2880[19:08:09] <RoyK> haven't tried - found a way around it
2881[19:08:18] <RoyK> just wanted to report it
2882[19:08:20] <jelly> (I say packages because some deps might be needed as well)
2883[19:08:31] <RoyK> and so mess up dpkg :þ
2884[19:08:36] <RoyK> or apt or whatever
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2887[19:08:52] <jelly> RoyK: oh. Okay. Wrong place to report tho, noone reads irc for bug reports
2888[19:09:06] <jelly> !reportbug
2889[19:09:06] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
2890[19:09:09] <jelly> if you really care
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2892[19:09:18] * RoyK does
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2895[19:10:27] <jelly> is... is there any change in behaviour if you go back to bindv6only=1? Probably not
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2897[19:10:34] <RoyK> jelly: will check
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2900[19:10:41] <RoyK> nah
2901[19:10:59] <RoyK> can't be bothered, really - the systemcalls specifically states IPv6
2902[19:11:17] <RoyK> s/states/specify/
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2911[19:14:15] <asterismo_l> i need help to fix this file in order to raid devices start ok
2912[19:14:24] <asterismo_l> this was before, replaced-url
2913[19:14:44] <asterismo_l> now i have other md devices and other uuids?
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2919[19:17:31] <frostschutz> asterismo_l, you can see the raid uuid with mdadm --detail /dev/mdX. or get a list with mdadm --detail --scan. You only need "/dev/mdX UUID=a:b:c:d" for each array, not any of the other stuff
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2921[19:18:35] <asterismo_l> frostschutz, thanks
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2925[19:19:30] <asterismo_l> frostschutz, the scan provides the very line for mdadm...
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2928[19:21:09] <frostschutz> it is often used like that, but what it provides is too verbose actually...
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2964[19:37:14] <vlt> asterismo_l: To get rid of gpt I suggested earlier to wait for the sync to finish, then remove sdc from the raids, reformat it dos style and re-add the new partitons.
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2966[19:37:39] <asterismo_l> vlt, ok
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2969[19:38:10] <asterismo_l> it is on 50%
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2972[19:38:25] <asterismo_l> so i'll be back in a couple of hours
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2974[19:38:44] <vlt> asterismo_l: To edit mdadm.conf you can use the data provided by `mdadm --detail /dev/md1` and md2
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2978[19:39:42] <asterismo_l> i have edited that
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2980[19:39:47] <asterismo_l> it looks fine
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2984[19:41:00] <asterismo_l> i'll be back around 21 UTC
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3113[20:38:09] <luna_> Firefox 59 is now out :)
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3116[20:39:07] <annadane> now with more invasive tracking!
3117[20:39:11] <annadane> (kidding)
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3125[20:43:37] <hypn0> they added that cookie thing :-/
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3128[20:44:50] <hypn0> were you counting the seconds :-)
3129[20:45:57] <greycat> Does it still require Pulse for audio?
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3150[20:51:54] <donald> I want to qwickly set up a vm to do programming. I need to share folder between the guest and the host. I follow the manual replaced-url
3151[20:51:54] <donald> o do it qwickly and graphically. Thank you.
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3167[20:58:33] <carbon60> Anyone know where to put system-wide wireshark/tshark defaults?
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3176[21:01:41] <petemc> carbon60: /etc/wireshark/ probably
3177[21:02:01] <carbon60> petemc: I created an /etc/wireshark/preferences file, didn’t work.
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3183[21:03:13] <petemc> dunno, never tried myself
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3186[21:03:52] <petemc> seems there is an issue..
3187[21:03:56] <petemc> replaced-url
3188[21:03:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3191[21:04:40] <carbon60> Thanks petemc, good catch.
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3193[21:04:58] <petemc> np
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3273[21:42:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps
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3275[21:42:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> is there a different in the 50unattended-upgrades file between jessie and strech? is the syntax changed?
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3308[22:02:52] <daggs1> Greetings, how can I add a dummy network interface on boot?
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3337[22:17:40] <hemebond> Last night I set up Japanese input on my Debian Gnome Shell desktop and now when I quickly type in the application overview/search thing the letters end up in the wrong order.
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3340[22:19:30] <jhutchins_wk> daggs1: What do you mean by dummy network interface?
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3348[22:24:27] <daggs1> jhutchins_wk, got it to work, thanks anyway
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3379[22:31:16] <hemebond> My bad :-)
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3381[22:31:37] <hemebond> Will see if anyone over there has an idea of the cause.
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3426[22:46:12] <descuidado> when installing debian, at the moment to optionally pick a Desktop enviroment, is there any document that specifically says what "Debian desktop enviroment" itself installs, also what if i select that and GNOME, or Xfce?
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3453[22:59:51] <lisa61095> Is there any reason I shouldn't just upgrade directly from stable to unstable instead of doing stable->testing->unstable?
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3458[23:02:03] <Tom01> no
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3461[23:02:51] <towo`> lisa61095, if you want a broken system, you can do it that way
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3463[23:03:20] <hypn0> there are sid distros too :-/
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3469[23:05:42] <jimmy_> Hey guys, I'm having issues with sound, specifically, my card is listed under /proc/asound/cards but under aplay -l I get jack squat. I've been troubleshooting this like religiously and have gotten nowhere it seems. Anyone have any ideas?
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3472[23:06:45] <lisa61095> towo, Which way? If you mean the former, what types of problems does doing testing first prevent?
3473[23:06:55] <jimmy_> Also, alsamixer seems to see my card, but pulseaudio and aplay dont seem to recognize anything.
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3479[23:09:54] <spacemn> lisa61095: in the past I jumped from stable to unstable directly
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3481[23:10:06] <towo`> lisa61095, stable => testing is supposed to be an upgrade path, stable => unstable is not
3482[23:10:09] <dominix> hi ther
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3484[23:10:20] <dominix> do someone kno
3485[23:10:41] <towo`> lisa61095, and btw, if you have to ask such questions, unstable is not the right system for you definitifly
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3488[23:10:57] <dominix> do someone knows how to purge with apt like aptitude purge ~c
3489[23:11:51] <towo`> apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{ print $2 }')
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3492[23:12:19] <dominix> thanks towo
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3508[23:19:14] <jimmy_> alright, well if nobody knows how to troubleshoot my sound issue, is there maybe a better channel I could try?
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3511[23:20:18] <Tom-_> hang around here, maybe someone will know later
3512[23:20:25] <Tom-_> i wish i could help but i have no idea
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3519[23:21:35] <mtn> jimmy_: have you used pavucontrol?
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3521[23:22:04] <jimmy_> Hmmm, don't think so?
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3523[23:22:06] <DonArmstrong> jimmy_: yeah, I'd suggest pavucontrol just in case the wrong/unexpected output for your card is selected
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3525[23:22:30] <mtn> jimmy_: the go to tool for pulse audio. check out all the profiles in the config tab
3526[23:23:20] <jimmy_> output devices only has dummy output, config says no cards
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3528[23:23:42] <DonArmstrong> jimmy_: hrm; and pulseaudio is running, right?
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3534[23:24:40] <jimmy_> pulseaudio --check returns nothing, not even a blank line
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3537[23:24:57] <jimmy_> sudo'd that and had same result
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3539[23:25:26] <DonArmstrong> jimmy_: pulseaudio --check && echo 1;
3540[23:25:36] <mtn> jimmy_: did you use a debian live disk to install? does sound work on a live disk?
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3542[23:26:12] <jimmy_> first command returned 1
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3544[23:26:24] <jimmy_> live disk I seem to remember having no sound as well
3545[23:26:28] <DonArmstrong> jimmy_: cool, then it's running
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3547[23:26:44] <mtn> jimmy_: what live disk was that?
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3549[23:26:50] <jimmy_> BunsenLabs
3550[23:27:17] <jimmy_> I've had the same result (no sound) on ParrotOS, Kali Linux, and plain Debian
3551[23:27:34] <jimmy_> CentOS I seem to remember working fine and Linux Mint had sound too
3552[23:27:54] <jimmy_> This is an older machine btw (Realtek ALC880)
3553[23:28:13] <jimmy_> I tried using their HD Audio Codec but their C code is awful
3554[23:28:38] <jimmy_> compiler errors left and right, would probably take years to fix by hand and I didn't find anything on github
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3558[23:30:04] <dondelelcaro> jimmy_: hrm; and your user is in the audio group, and you have a /dev/audio*; device, right?
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3562[23:31:42] <jimmy_> yes, I am in an audio group, no audio listings under /dev/ though
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3571[23:34:30] <dondelelcaro> jimmy_: ok, but there are /dev/snd/ devices, right?
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3573[23:35:14] <jimmy_> controlC0 hwC0D2 seq timer
3574[23:35:29] <dondelelcaro> jimmy_: perfect; is there only one pulseaudio running?
3575[23:35:51] <jimmy_> how would I check that? htop?
3576[23:35:58] <jimmy_> oml
3577[23:36:04] <dondelelcaro> jimmy_: ps axfu|grep pulse; will show you
3578[23:36:11] <jimmy_> so I'm running debian 3.16.0-5-686-pae
3579[23:36:18] <dondelelcaro> oh
3580[23:36:32] <jimmy_> uh I don't know how the hell that happened, so lemme check that out reeeeeeeal quick and I'll come back with an update
3581[23:36:42] <dondelelcaro> jimmy_: heh; yeah, that might be part of it. ;-)
3582[23:37:05] <jimmy_> I stg I JUST checked that like a month ago and I was up to date
3583[23:37:15] <jimmy_> might've been a different distro? dunno, brb.,
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3586[23:38:32] <dondelelcaro> ,kernel versions
3587[23:38:34] <judd> (kernel [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
3588[23:38:37] <dondelelcaro> ,kernel
3589[23:38:38] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
3590[23:38:39] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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3597[23:40:17] <annadane> dondelelcaro, while you're here, i wanted to ask you how one can be on a list to change dpkg factoids; is being an op a requirement?
3598[23:40:26] <dondelelcaro> annadane: nope; anyone can change them
3599[23:40:38] <annadane> ah, gotch
3600[23:40:39] <annadane> a
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3603[23:41:23] <dondelelcaro> You have to be in a channel with dpkg, but that's the only requirement
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3605[23:42:26] <jimmy_> So this might be a dumb question but uh, how do I know which is best? Do you have any recommendations?
3606[23:42:47] <dondelelcaro> jimmy_: which kernel?
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3609[23:43:37] <jimmy_> That's my question lol. Which do I pick for my 2002 emachine with less than a gb of ram xD
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3611[23:43:59] <dondelelcaro> jimmy_: you should be able to run the 4.9.0-6-686-pae kernel on it
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3616[23:44:52] <dondelelcaro> (you won't use the pae, but IIRC, that codepath gets disabled on machines which can't use it anyway)
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3619[23:46:21] <jimmy_> okay, thanks! I'll brb
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3635[23:57:01] <jimmy_> I've got a buddy who's going to help me compile 4.9.87
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3637[23:58:33] <asterismo_l> hi
3638[23:58:36] <asterismo_l> i'm back
3639[23:58:42] <asterismo_l> vlt, frostschutz
3640[23:59:57] <walterve_> hi guys
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