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22[00:08:36] <johnkeates> join/quit: why talk if you can be ephemeral on IRC instead? :D
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27[00:10:24] <stephanie92> johnkeates: lmao
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34[00:14:19] <sl4v3> johnkeates: ❤
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98[00:46:24] <orlock> /etc/ssh/ssh_config: line 55: Bad configuration option: UseDNS
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101[00:46:43] <orlock> getting this after the file was updated yesterday. Easy fix, just.. WTF?
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104[00:47:59] <OverCoder> Hey guys
105[00:47:59] <orlock> Never mind, other admin
106[00:48:03] <OverCoder> I have a quick question
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108[00:48:11] <missmbob> orlock: usedns goes to sshd_config not ssh_config
109[00:48:11] <OverCoder> How much RAM does an average Debian installation uses?
110[00:48:31] <OverCoder> Currently I use Mint and it seems like to use someting like 600 MiB of RAM and 400 MiB of swap with nothing open
111[00:48:36] <OverCoder> I use Cinnamon
112[00:48:54] <OverCoder> I like my OS but my RAM is very limited, so I am asking perhaps installing Debian can improve performance
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114[00:49:58] <missmbob> OverCoder: doesnt really matter. in linux the kernel is set to use as much ram as it can as cache. that doesnt mean the ram is unavailable. if the system needs it it'll clear the cache for it to use.
115[00:50:19] <OverCoder> I understand
116[00:50:31] <OverCoder> But if an internal app uses more ram, then it just uses it
117[00:50:49] <OverCoder> I mean I'm speaking about the actual *used* memory, aside from cached memory
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119[00:51:30] <missmbob> there is no "average" because of so many options. there isn't even a set desktop. i'm using xfce which will use less than gnome or kde, for example
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123[00:52:11] <OverCoder> well how much RAM your exact installation uses with everything closed?
124[00:52:34] <OverCoder> because I'll probably be using xfce or very unlikely lxde if I install Debian
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126[00:53:49] <missmbob> OverCoder: i'm at around 290M
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128[00:54:03] <OverCoder> heck that's so nice compared to mine
129[00:54:08] <petemc> i find linux uses 23%
130[00:54:34] <OverCoder> Okay which ISO image do I need to download? what's the difference between the DVD and the CD image?
131[00:54:48] <missmbob> OverCoder: do you need firmware for wifi for example?
132[00:54:55] <OverCoder> I'm considering live installation as well tho
133[00:55:06] <OverCoder> firmware for wifi? you mean a driver? yeah?
134[00:55:13] <missmbob> dont use live. has many bugs and doesnt support uefi
135[00:55:20] <missmbob> !firmware iso
136[00:55:21] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
137[00:55:23] <missmbob> use that ^
138[00:55:57] <OverCoder> oo, ok
139[00:56:01] <OverCoder> also /me clicks
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145[00:57:11] <petemc> grep "MemTotal\|Swap\|Commit" /proc/meminfo
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147[00:58:01] <n4dir> Not that sure if installing a DE during installation will end up using more memory than installing the DE after installation without all the loving from tasksel
148[00:58:27] <n4dir> Anyway: i did it always after installation and with Debian usually booted to 70 MB for xfce
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150[00:59:04] <n4dir> ^^ OverCoder
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152[01:00:01] <petemc> grep "MemTotal\|Swap\|Commit" /proc/meminfo | awk -v RS="" '{print $17/($2+$8)*100}'
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154[01:00:26] <petemc> 23 or there abouts on any box i have
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158[01:01:47] <converge> deepin is so good ! Im using it for 2 days, its really great !
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206[01:29:13] <posi> I am hacking up some version of chrome and I get " undefined reference to '__fdelt_chk'" That's a glib thing?
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243[01:55:14] <mwinters> Hey
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247[01:58:40] <dvs> ...is for horses
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250[02:01:41] <mwinters> 100% noob question but what's the difference between apt and apt-get
251[02:02:16] <johnkeates> it's a different program
252[02:02:26] <johnkeates> it does comparable things
253[02:02:31] <johnkeates> just like aptitude does
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261[02:09:38] <mwinters> is it better to use apt, aptitude or apt-get
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279[02:19:48] <themill> yes
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288[02:24:38] <dvs> heh... speak about "aptitude" ;-)
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291[02:26:27] <missmbob> mwinters: you can think of apt as a mix of apt-get and apt-cache commands in one.
292[02:26:28] <tonyt> can anyone help me out with a problem? ive tried to install 2 different linux distros that are debain based with the debian installer. i have put both iso images onto a usb flash drive and tried to install them to a ssd. during both installs the debian installer is looking for a cd rom, but i put both live images onto a usb flash drive. is there any way to get it to stop looking for a cd rom?
293[02:27:00] <missmbob> !debian based
294[02:27:00] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
295[02:27:09] <tonyt> or is debian just something that has to be burned to a dvd?
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299[02:28:35] <peeps[lappy]> is it possible to get a list of packages installed, sorted by disk space usage?
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301[02:29:23] <themill> !sort by size
302[02:29:23] <dpkg> sort by size is probably aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I", or see <sort by size sarge>, or see <dpigs>
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304[02:29:48] <peeps[lappy]> !dpigs
305[02:29:48] <dpkg> dpigs is a utility showing which installed packages occupy the most space. Available in the debian-goodies package.
306[02:30:16] <tonyt> both use the debian installer and its looking for a cd rom. there is no way to fix this?
307[02:31:07] <themill> tonyt: d-i doesn't like being screwed over like that. You'd have to ask your distros what they're doing to their images.
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309[02:31:57] <tonyt> ok ill try to download a debian image and try that
310[02:32:11] <tonyt> im guessing its going to be looking for a cd rom too
311[02:32:12] <tonyt> bbian
312[02:32:18] <tonyt> during the install
313[02:32:25] <themill> tonyt: as I just said, d-i doesn't like you doing that.
314[02:32:49] <tonyt> what is d-i?
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330[02:39:47] <peeps[lappy]> thanks themill
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333[02:41:17] <themill> np
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445[03:33:34] <locrian9_> Question: Can someone take a look at this Github repo (replaced-url
446[03:33:40] <locrian9_> done the first thing by running his 'makefile' which does a series of 'docker builds' and sets up the 'docker images'. I'm stuck trying to start the 'docker run' and see how to firstly get into the container called 'x11dockerhost'. Once you are in there, you can ssh into various containers that have been built, share clipboards, and run tmux and vim settings (shared across all the containers). Let me k
447[03:33:46] <locrian9_> now if anyone wants to run the makefile and see what I need to do next?
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452[03:34:52] <locrian9_> I've posted onto #docker, but nobody is listening on the #docker channel at the moment...
453[03:35:33] <locrian9_> I'm running Docker off a Debian Jessie VM.
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463[03:45:14] <hfp> Hi, I'd like to use GNU parallel on Debian so I installed it with `apt-get install parallel`, but the provided version is from 2013 and I need 2016xxxx. It's not in backports either AFAIK, so how would I go about installing a more recent one? Do I have to compile from source or is there an easier way?
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473[03:54:38] <hfp> locrian9_: This is a docker question, not a Debian one, you'll get better answers from the docker channel. Isn't this where the magic happens: replaced-url
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483[04:02:24] <missmbob> hfp: i managed to package 20161122 using the official sid sources as a guide. wasn't hard but i havent tested it. it's here if you want to try it replaced-url
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490[04:07:45] <squigz> So on the Steam wiki page, it warns that installing the 32-bit libgl1-fglrx-glx package may unisntall previously installed 64-bit drivers
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493[04:08:20] <locrian9_> missmbob: Is GNU Parallel a replacement for 'Salt' and 'MCollective'?
494[04:08:21] <squigz> I don't seem to have that package installed, but I do have libgl1-mesa-glx
495[04:08:28] <squigz> Just wondering if I should be worried here
496[04:08:35] <squigz> I've broken my system too much recently
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590[04:53:14] <lindylex> My computer is connect to two routers. The wireless card to one and the ethernet card to another. When I try to ping a website the ethernet card processes the request. The ethernet card is attached to a router that has no WAN access only the router the wireless card attaches to. How can I enable set the wireless card to process the internet request?
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617[05:06:10] <lindylex> Solved it: replaced-url
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723[06:36:28] <eumel> hi folks!
724[06:37:29] <tomfarr> eumel: go awey
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736[06:49:06] <missmbob> tomfarr: at least try to be civil :P
737[06:50:15] <tomfarr> missmbob: sorry, I just have thick, what is russian channel…
738[06:50:22] <tomfarr> think•
739[06:50:28] <missmbob> !ru
740[06:50:29] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
741[06:50:51] <tomfarr> missmbob: I’m not stupit - realy
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746[06:51:14] <Robby> oh, thats the reason for being uncivilized, lol ok, makes sense
747[06:51:21] <Robby> (not)
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752[06:52:31] <tomfarr> Robby: on Russian channels we are often tell this, like joke
753[06:52:52] <tomfarr> BARABARIANS!!!
754[06:52:56] <Robby> oh I see
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793[07:20:12] <rawf> does anyone have this problem? replaced-url
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803[07:23:00] <eumel> never heard about it
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809[07:24:59] <missmbob> it's not really news that chrome/chromium invalidated all symantec certificates so this is happeneing for those sites that havent switched over
810[07:25:15] <missmbob> mozilla recently did the same thing
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817[07:28:47] <rawf> so I can't reach sites such as amazon, that's to be expected?
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821[07:30:25] <missmbob> if they have an ad or something pointing to a site using symantec i can see that being a problem. first thing i'd check though is the date/time of your computer to make sure it's sync'd up. that's been known to fuck up ssl
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824[07:30:50] <rawf> date/time are correct
825[07:31:20] <rawf> and it's replaced-url
826[07:31:56] <missmbob> rawf: interesting. working here on chromium.
827[07:32:03] <rawf> missmbob: what version?
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830[07:34:18] <rawf> mine: Version 53.0.2785.143 Built on 8.6, running on Debian 8.6
831[07:34:25] <missmbob> let's see... 53.0.2785.143
832[07:34:39] <rawf> ugh wth
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834[07:34:52] <rawf> I have no idea why some sites are failing in chromium
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837[07:37:06] <missmbob> rawf: for shits does smile.amazon.com work?
838[07:37:20] <rawf> no
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843[07:39:24] <rawf> missmbob: my package is: 53.0.2785.143-1~deb8u1, what's yours?
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852[07:45:22] <missmbob> rawf: exact same
853[07:45:32] <rawf> well what the hell.
854[07:45:39] <rawf> ssl works just fine in firefox
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858[07:46:13] <rawf> I've purged chromium, installed it, and made a new user to test it in: same result
859[07:46:53] <rawf> I don't even remember what I was doing.
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866[07:53:46] <Zambezi> Yesterday I did a full-upgrade on Sid. After reboot the keyboard and mouse stopped working. I purges all packages with Xorg and Nvidia to start over. That solved the problem the last time but not now, Any ideas? I'm stuck in shell so can't google or anything.
867[07:54:02] <missmbob> !debian-next
868[07:54:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
869[07:54:06] <missmbob> Zambezi: go there ^
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873[07:54:33] <Zambezi> missmbob: I'm aware but it
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875[07:55:39] <Zambezi> missmbob: With Xorg working it would be easier.
876[07:56:15] <missmbob> if you get here and you can get there. and they're the ones that would know how to help you since they use sid
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886[08:02:18] <_abc_> Good morning. On a stock wheezy kernel I have no rtc0 device and hctosys cannot set the hw clock as a result. dmsg confirms it is not there. The kernel config says 'CONFIG_RTC_DRV_CMOS not defined'. Should this be defined at all? System is old AMD dual core and WILL NOT BE UPGRADED for that reason (low performance). Therefore, please address the question about rtc. There seem to be several people with amd an
887[08:02:24] <_abc_> d rtc0 related problems cf forum search.
888[08:02:39] <_abc_> Kernel is Linux wheezy 3.18.36
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890[08:02:48] <Resilience2> hello to everyone, I am instalaing a sofware from siemens (to program logo PLCs) and I would want to know if there exists some way to know if archvives are installed outside of its installation directory (for future removal of the program)
891[08:02:52] <eumel> Zambezi: was this the error? replaced-url
892[08:03:53] <Zambezi> eumel: Sorry. Can't visit url.
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894[08:04:53] <eumel> Zambezi: didn't get all of you're conversation but i'm facing a similar issue at the moment, chromium on sid won't start in version 53.xx, looks like it's a bug
895[08:05:25] <eumel> Zambezi: the link says that it's already fixed for ubuntu and version 54.x will be fine
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901[08:06:34] <Zambezi> eumel: Keyboard stops working when Xorg starts. That's my problem.
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905[08:06:57] <UltimateKarate> i need to hack some people
906[08:07:05] <UltimateKarate> elky and nchambers
907[08:07:12] <UltimateKarate> but i dont know how to hack
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909[08:07:18] <UltimateKarate> anyone want to give advice?
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911[08:07:33] <missmbob> UltimateKarate: here's some: go elsewhere
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913[08:07:44] <UltimateKarate> missmbob: no
914[08:07:48] <UltimateKarate> anything else?
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918[08:09:06] <UltimateKarate>
919[08:09:06] <UltimateKarate>
920[08:09:08] <UltimateKarate>
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928[08:10:23] <eumel> Zambezi: than forget about what i've said
929[08:11:26] <UltimateKarate> Zambezi: Hello
930[08:11:40] <UltimateKarate> ask your mom to send me pics of her vag plz
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933[08:12:00] <elky> c'mon don't make me pay ##gn-bans a visit.
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935[08:12:13] <UltimateKarate> elky: whats that
936[08:12:25] <elky> your nemesis
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938[08:12:34] <UltimateKarate> an invite only channel it seems. I have no concern about it
939[08:12:50] <UltimateKarate> go there and discuss your evil plots against me or whatever you discuss there
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945[08:14:01] <elky> that's his second ip tonight you might want to do the ident
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948[08:17:28] <_abc_> So has anyone else got problems with missing /dev/rtc0 on amd opteron/athlon etc? Or remembers any such from wheezy times? Is CONFIG_RTC_DRV_CMOS defined in 3.16+ kernel configs? It is not set in mine, which is wheezy stock.
949[08:17:59] <_abc_> There seems to be no low level driver compiled in for rtc, all RTC_DRV_* are commented out in the config.
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957[08:20:26] <missmbob> _abc_: i just check wheezy-backports 3.16 kernel. it does have CONFIG_RTC_DRV_CMOS=y
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959[08:20:32] <missmbob> checked*
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962[08:21:30] <_abc_> Hmm so what is going on here. Just a second. Thanks for that missmbob.
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966[08:23:03] <missmbob> _abc_: are you using the 3.16 kernel from wheezy-backports or the main one 3.2?
967[08:24:00] <_abc_> It now appears I built a kernel in July... 3.18 ... argh.
968[08:24:02] <_abc_> Checking
969[08:24:23] <_abc_> I had some driver problems which led to a problem I did not write up on 4 July ...
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971[08:24:35] <missmbob> _abc_: ah. guess you just misconfigured then
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974[08:25:53] <_abc_> I remember I pruned a lot of drivers to get to the real problem and fixed that. May have left out that driver. Or not.
975[08:26:07] <_abc_> Still checking, I left a mess on there, this is a seldomly used headless machine.
976[08:26:13] <missmbob> you dont have a config-3.18 whatever in /boot/ ?
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982[08:27:51] <_abc_> Sure, trying to find the 3.16 config it was cribbed from. Just a few more minutes please. Still at 2nd coffee, slow neurons.
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984[08:30:49] <missmbob> _abc_: here's the 3.16 config from wheezy-backports replaced-url
985[08:30:56] <_abc_> Okay so all configs I have (I tried 3 kernels in ranges 3.16-3.20 in July to get that driver problem sorted), have RTC_DRV_CMOS=y, excepting the one I use, which does not. I assume I need to enable it, but it may freeze the system.
986[08:31:26] <_abc_> I will try that but I need to install a monitor and keyboard in case of boot freeze in despite of panic= set in kernel cli, I remember I did that in July.
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988[08:31:44] <_abc_> The driver problem caused a hard freeze iirc.
989[08:32:01] <_abc_> missmbob: thanks for that, looking
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992[08:33:03] <_abc_> Technically it's worth a try to just fire up a kernel build, it is already built from source, CONFIG_RTC_DRV_CMOS=y this time. "out of debian" tree build though
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995[08:37:23] <_abc_> what's the deal with fastclock settings I read about? Is there a modern replacement of the cmos rtc I do not know about?
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999[08:38:12] <missmbob> i dont really know about those things
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1009[08:44:43] <_abc_> I have both update-grub and update-grub2 on the system... sigh. Which one to use.
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1014[08:47:26] <lethu> _abc_, update-grub
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1016[08:47:39] <_abc_> update-grub will be default move the latest found kernel to top and default boot it, right?
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1020[08:48:06] <_abc_> Looks like it did that but I have trouble finding out what it did. Is there a command to list the order?
1021[08:48:37] <lethu> grub.cfg in your boot dir
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1024[08:48:56] <lethu> _abc_, or maybe not can't remember
1025[08:49:01] <lethu> sorry
1026[08:49:21] <_abc_> In this version there are 200 files in /boot/grub and the config is a script.
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1033[08:52:51] * _abc_ mumbles about slackware being able to list the kernels it will boot even in 1995 using just lilo...
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1035[08:53:33] <slax0r> oh lilo...how I miss thee
1036[08:53:41] <slax0r> simplicity at its finest
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1039[08:53:58] <_abc_> I still run slack on some boxes, with lilo. Nothing changed, still works.
1040[08:54:06] <slax0r> I do too
1041[08:54:18] <slax0r> configure once, use forever
1042[08:54:58] <RichiH> if you didn't change anything, it will be a joyful bundle of root vulnerabilities by now
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1044[08:55:12] <_abc_> We have liftoff, I recompiled the custom 3.18 kernel I made in July with RTC_DRV_CMOS=y and now the clock is settable, and it boots right. And yes debian update-grub by default boots the newest (as in change date in /boot/vmlinuz*) kernel it finds and installs.
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1046[08:55:54] <JyZyXEL> do i need to use full virtual machine if i want to test the runtime behavior of initramfs?
1047[08:57:02] <slax0r> RichiH: no change != no updates
1048[08:57:14] <_abc_> Thanks for the input here, problem solved.
1049[08:57:34] <slax0r> but slackware still uses stuff like lilo, bsd boot, etc, because its simple, and it works
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1052[08:58:58] <_abc_> Again, about update-grub: to relieve pain when working headless, simply touch the latest kernel one wants to be booted 1st unattended and then run update-grub. Normally whatever it lists 1st is the 1st to boot. I found no other way to list the boot order from command line, excepting for awk (stackwxchange thread)
1053[08:59:24] <missmbob> _abc_: great
1054[08:59:25] <_abc_> It is not clear if the script also looks at the name, in my case, build #3 is marked -3 in the filename
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1056[09:00:16] <_abc_> slack has a choice of lilo, syslinux, grub, grub2 depending on usage case for boot manager
1057[09:00:38] <_abc_> Updating the kernel frequently to stable releases is a good idea in general slax0r
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1059[09:00:57] <_abc_> Also updating the whole system when libs go bad, like this Summer.
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1061[09:01:35] <slax0r> yeah, that's the main reason I don't use it as my primary distro anymore, no or very limited time to deal with stuff like that :/
1062[09:01:42] <_abc_> Don't run anything lower than slack 14.1 exposed to the internet for your own good.
1063[09:02:06] <_abc_> There is no need to "allocate time to deal with it", there are automatic update slack versions
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1067[09:03:07] <_abc_> Also to reinstall a different version with the exact same feature set make $(ls /var/log/packages/*) into a tagfile when installing the new distribution. This installs all packages installed on the old system, duplicating it in a higher version.
1068[09:03:08] <slax0r> _abc_: you make me want to install slack on my dev machine again, stahp :)
1069[09:03:22] <_abc_> slax0r: vm works.
1070[09:03:50] <slax0r> oh sure, but vm is a vm, I rather have it directly on the iron
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1072[09:04:49] <_abc_> I tend to collect, resurrect, and revive / zombify older pc boxes with suitable hardware (hw serial and parallel, and pci slots), and use them headless with wake on lan. There are 2 here right now, one is the wheezy I just fixed the clock on. All are multi boot with various distributions on them, depending on what I need to check my code on, and the drivers (I do hw devel).
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1074[09:05:15] <_abc_> So the boxes are just headless, with RJ45 and mains, and sleep until woken by ping.
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1077[09:08:09] <_abc_> replaced-url
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1081[09:09:21] <Resilience2> hello to everyone, I am instalaing a sofware from siemens (to program logo PLCs) and I would want to know if there exists some way to know if archvives are installed outside of its installation directory (for future removal of the program)
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1093[09:12:34] <_abc_> on wheezy, in /lib/modules/ I have directories left by oem (debian) kernel installs, called 3.16.7-ckt25 and 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 ;; these are non standard lib directory names, what do the suffixes mean? Can I change the suffixes to defaults?
1094[09:12:41] <RichiH> i have a mac mini which used to dual-boot debian, but the debian bootloader got nuked. i have booted the machine with grml
1095[09:13:01] <RichiH> what's the sane way to make this thing default boot into linux, but still allow booting into mac os x?
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1119[09:29:59] <missmbob> _abc_: ckt is 'canonical kernel team' and bpo is backports
1120[09:30:46] <_abc_> missmbob: thanks, but do the boot scripts pick that up by default? Or the running kernel when it needs something via hotplug/modprobe?
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1124[09:31:11] <_abc_> I will upgrade to a current kernel asap on this machine, but that may take a few weeks
1125[09:31:11] <missmbob> yes
1126[09:31:42] <_abc_> I need to remember what the frick was broken in July. I did not do this for fun, I assure you. Even if this machine builds a kernel in 3 minutes.
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1128[09:31:47] <_abc_> (rebuilds)
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1132[09:32:51] <missmbob> open up a github for all your kernel configs. add notes as issues, etc.
1133[09:33:13] <missmbob> doesnt help you now though :P
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1156[09:41:46] <cisc> I'm installing the Debian Wheezy netinstall and when I get to the Select a Mirror dialogue and choose the default, it says: "Bad archive mirror". I looked on tty4 and the output is "mirror does not support specified release"
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1159[09:42:14] <missmbob> cisc: that's because wheezy is oldstable,which not all have. current stable is jessie
1160[09:42:45] <cisc> I just did a net install with Wheezy a week ago. something changed?
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1164[09:43:00] <missmbob> probably just went to a different mirror that time
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1166[09:43:24] <cisc> is there a workind mirror I can use?
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1168[09:43:47] <missmbob> you'll have to manually look through it or hopefully someone here with wheezy will tell you what they use. i dont have a wheezy box to look
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1170[09:44:07] <missmbob> cisc: any reason not to use stable, jessie?
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1175[09:45:44] <cisc> because i'm using some older software that is designed primarily to rut on Wheezy
1176[09:45:50] <cisc> *run
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1178[09:47:34] <cisc> Wheezy is still listed so I don't get it replaced-url
1179[09:47:34] <missmbob> cisc: debian.osuosl.org has wheezy
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1186[09:49:04] <missmbob> cisc: ftp.us.debian.org is a roundrobin. you get sent to a random mirror
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1190[09:50:27] <cisc> I tried debian.osuosl.org and get the same error. I switched to another tty and pinged google.com and get packets back 0% loss
1191[09:50:54] <missmbob> you used dd to make the usb?
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1193[09:51:20] <cisc> yes
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1195[09:51:55] <missmbob> you're sure the iso wasnt for oldoldstable?
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1198[09:52:25] <missmbob> cuz if it was for squeeze that'd make a ton of sense
1199[09:53:11] <cisc> I used the same iso on another machine a week ago and it worked fine
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1202[09:53:30] <cisc> debian-7.11.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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1213[10:02:07] <cisc> missmbob: I tried some different rondom mirrors & it's installing now
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1215[10:02:35] <missmbob> cisc: okay, good.
1216[10:03:02] <cisc> not sure why it wasn't working from replaced-url
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1256[10:36:05] <paul_grozav> any idea about sound problems in debian with an intel sound card on a laptop?
1257[10:36:51] <missmbob> almost always the answer is install/run pavucontrol and check levels/output device settings within pavucontrol
1258[10:37:13] <paul_grozav> missmbob: I did that, it only supports HDMI output
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1260[10:37:34] <paul_grozav> missmbob: Does not send the output to internal speakers or headsets
1261[10:37:43] <missmbob> which kernel?
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1263[10:38:15] <missmbob> pavucontrol does show the analog audio? in output devices?
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1267[10:40:23] <paul_grozav_temp> missmbob: replaced-url
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1270[10:41:20] <missmbob> paul_grozav_temp: you could try getting the kernel from jessie-backports. that'll take you from 3.16 currently to 4.7. perhaps the updated drivers will help you
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1273[10:41:30] <missmbob> !tell paul_grozav_temp about jessie-backports
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1276[10:42:46] <paul_grozav> missmbob: hmm, can't I try something else? I mean messing with an experimental kernel, might affect the stability of the machine
1277[10:43:19] <missmbob> paul_grozav: it's not experimental at all. it's just not in jessie because once jessie got released it froze. no new packages get added
1278[10:43:36] <paul_grozav> missmbob: ok then
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1289[10:46:01] <missmbob> paul_grozav: you never told me about the output devices
1290[10:46:17] <paul_grozav_temp> missmbob: I added the line in /etc/apt/sources.list , ran an update and then an upgrade, but found no updates
1291[10:46:27] <paul_grozav_temp> missmbob: i'm looking at that now
1292[10:46:28] <missmbob> you have to use -t jessie-backports
1293[10:46:37] <paul_grozav_temp> missmbob: oh, sry
1294[10:46:38] <missmbob> so sudo apt-get install linux-image-amd64 -t jessie-backports
1295[10:46:55] <missmbob> paul_grozav_temp: why now? why not before when i mentioned it? :P
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1343[11:11:39] <paul_grozav> missmbob: sorry, I had to take an important call. No, pavucontrol does not show any analog audio. It only has a digital HDMI output
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1354[11:15:49] <svisor> we have strange logging behaviour on two of our debian machines, new log entries are written into files with ".1" postfix instead non-postfixed variants (i.e. into /var/log/syslog.1 and /var/log/syslog is empty), could anybody help me investigate what could causing this?
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1356[11:16:21] <missmbob> paul_grozav: okay. installed the jessie-backports kernel?
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1370[11:23:55] <colo-work> svisor, your logrotate mechanism doesn't inform your syslog implementation to re-open its output file descriptors
1371[11:24:09] <colo-work> that's the most likely cause for seeing that happening
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1378[11:25:38] <svisor> colo-work thanks for hint, I have place to start, my /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog have few lines like this "invoke-rc.d rsyslog reload > /dev/null"
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1381[11:26:03] <svisor> maybe something broke after system update
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1383[11:26:19] <colo-work> svisor, what Debian release are you on?
1384[11:26:31] <svisor> wheezy
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1386[11:26:39] <colo-work> there was a change in the init script of ryslog a _while_ back that changed the behaviour
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1388[11:26:43] <colo-work> for the reload action
1389[11:26:43] <colo-work> iirc
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1391[11:27:05] <colo-work> there _might_ be another action required nowaway (not "reload")
1392[11:27:37] <svisor> ok, thanks as I know now what to find, I'll try to google it :)
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1396[11:28:20] <colo-work> nowadays*
1397[11:28:22] <colo-work> you're welcome
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1401[11:30:11] <paul_grozav> missmbob: Yes, that fixed the problem. At first i Only installed the new linux-image, but then xserver failed to start, so i ran an full-system upgrade, and it also upgrade the intel-video-drivers. That fixed the problem. Thanks:)
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1403[11:30:54] <Emil> How can I "disable" ssh login and display a message on that user? I'm not looking to completely prevent ssh login on a user but just in most cases prompt them to do something different
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1408[11:36:15] <svisor> colo-work: seems that replacing "reload" with "rotate" works for me -> "invoke-rc.d rsyslog rotate > /dev/null"
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1420[11:39:52] <Emil> Used sleep and then exec on .bashrc, works nicely
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1427[11:50:03] <nkuttler> Emil: sounds more like a use case for motd, hacking bashrc seems pointless
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1433[11:53:32] <petn-randall> Emil: It should be able to ctrl+c that, and then you just have a shell. I agree with nkuttler, motd is better for this.
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1435[11:54:01] <nkuttler> or just pass /bin/sh as ssh command
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1460[12:12:54] <E|L|F--L0RD> The banana machine
1461[12:12:59] <E|L|F--L0RD> monkeys eat bananas
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1463[12:13:08] <E|L|F--L0RD> Obama ate all the bananas
1464[12:13:12] <E|L|F--L0RD> now we need more
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1467[12:13:22] <E|L|F--L0RD> banana trees are going extinct
1468[12:13:34] <E|L|F--L0RD> our last hope to save the hungry monkeys
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1473[12:13:51] <E|L|F--L0RD> I, the almighty elf lord, have created a machine that makes bananad
1474[12:14:06] <E|L|F--L0RD> Then the machine was stolen, by a nigger
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1476[12:14:29] <E|L|F--L0RD> anyone with information as to this theft should report directly to me immediately
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1478[12:14:48] <E|L|F--L0RD> My prime suspect is the GNAA
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1482[12:15:58] <E|L|F--L0RD> The banana machine needs to be returned immediately
1483[12:16:21] <E|L|F--L0RD> The monkeys depend on it as Obama ate the banana trees into extinction
1484[12:16:32] <E|L|F--L0RD> Now we need to make more bananas for the monkeys
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1487[12:17:36] <petn-randall> !ops E|L|F--L0RD is spamming
1488[12:17:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: E|L|F--L0RD is spamming
1489[12:17:38] <E|L|F--L0RD> and to the niggers who stole it, if you are here, know that you will be tied to a tree and forced to watch a hairy orangutan rape your mother if you do not return the banana machine immediately
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1491[12:17:43] *** babilen sets mode: +b *!*@184.170.253.94
1492[12:17:43] *** E|L|F--L0RD was kicked by babilen (you should know better)
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1494[12:17:50] <petn-randall> babilen: thanks
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1496[12:18:01] <babilen> Thank you :)
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1522[12:34:41] <MaBunny> guys is there a easy way to install proprietary firmware drivers if i debootstrap and install debian in my laptops hdd?
1523[12:39:08] <Shadur> There are instructions on how to add firmware-linux-nonfree to an install image.
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1530[12:42:23] <MaBunny> ok
1531[12:42:27] <missmbob> !firmware iso
1532[12:42:28] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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1534[12:42:31] <missmbob> MaBunny: just use that ^
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1536[12:42:58] <MaBunny> well my hdd is 500gb and
1537[12:43:30] <MaBunny> formatting it will take a lot of time...last time i did it it took the whole day and i had to stop it before going to sleep
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1540[12:44:24] <MaBunny> well,i hav decided to format the hdd using gparted to my needs and
1541[12:44:42] <MaBunny> debootstrap it into something useful
1542[12:44:54] <MaBunny> but thnx ill check tht link
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1544[12:45:33] <MaBunny> yes i hav one of tht isos installed into a pendrive
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1561[12:58:54] <Emil> nkuttler: petn-randall you didn't probably read. The point is to not block logins entirely
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1563[12:59:15] <Emil> Being able to ctrl+c is exactly the desired function
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1569[13:04:16] <MaBunny> replaced-url
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1573[13:05:34] <MaBunny> in the instructions to create a complete debian unstable installation,do i replace the first line with something reasonable for an hdd,and if so,what will it be?
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1575[13:06:39] <themill> the target needs to be a mounted filesystem. debootstrap doesn't create an installation though -- it's not bootable
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1579[13:08:17] <MaBunny> no,how will i point it to the hdd which i have? instead of a folder
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1582[13:09:03] <MaBunny> and what do you mean by " debootstrap doesn't create an installation though -- it's not bootable"
1583[13:09:11] <themill> exactly that
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1586[13:09:36] <MaBunny> well, i hav to install grub too and update-grub in it?
1587[13:09:38] <themill> debian-installer creates installations and uses debootstrap to do one part of it
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1590[13:10:43] <MaBunny> ok,so in the first line of a terminal(after formatting the harddisk) do i put mkdir /sid-root ?
1591[13:10:56] <themill> and really, if you didn't already know this, please do not try installing sid via debootstrap.
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1593[13:11:34] <MaBunny> i hav tried using debootstrap on a 4.3 gb img file,but it was like six months ago
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1595[13:11:41] <MaBunny> forgotten the process
1596[13:12:04] <themill> Yeah, I know. I think we answer the same questions for you every few weeks. It's pretty boring.
1597[13:12:30] <MaBunny> ok nvr mind
1598[13:14:15] <styler2go> Hi, i've created my own service which just runs the command "xinit" and runs at multiuser. Now, when i reboot my sshd is not reachable for a very long time. disabling the service again makes sshd ready instantly. any idea?
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1632[13:26:49] <nkuttler> Emil: no, we can read. it's just that your way of "solving" this is a nuisance
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1647[13:39:11] <Howdy> guys any reason audio will work on USB headset in GNOME but not in KDE
1648[13:39:40] <Howdy> I thought these were just GUI skins they have effect on things like USB?
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1651[13:40:13] <JPT> Howdy: Not 100% sure, but KDE uses its own audio system (phonon). It might be different from pulseaudio that might be used by gnome.
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1653[13:40:40] <Howdy> oh man...
1654[13:41:18] <MaBunny> main # echo "8:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/chroot $MY_CHROOT " \ "/sbin/getty 38400 tty8" >> /etc/inittab
1655[13:41:32] <MaBunny> what do i do about the "\" ?
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1657[13:42:07] <JPT> Howdy: Perhaps you can configure phonon on kde to use pulseaudio as a "prefered output device"
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1659[13:42:34] <Howdy> Thanks I will try that
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1661[13:43:32] <Howdy> I probably need to switch back to Windows.....running windows 10 in XEN right now but mouse hangs ...too many things to learn for work...this seems like a whole different missions
1662[13:44:05] <han-solo> MaBunny: echo -e, perhaps?
1663[13:44:18] <MaBunny> han-solo: ?
1664[13:44:35] <han-solo> but i wouldn't append to inittab, like that
1665[13:44:35] <jelly> MaBunny: what's your goal there? Why not put everything under one quote?
1666[13:44:37] <MaBunny> i mean do i put \ in one line?
1667[13:44:47] <han-solo> hah
1668[13:44:57] <MaBunny> ok just remove the \ ?
1669[13:45:02] <han-solo> do what jelly said
1670[13:45:15] <han-solo> why did you use that in the first place?
1671[13:45:28] <MaBunny> replaced-url
1672[13:45:49] <JPT> Howdy: Don't give up yet. I know there are lots of hurdles, but i think it is worth it. Maybe Win10 might be better off in a VirtualBox?
1673[13:45:52] <boxrick1> Is there any way of saying a device belongs to a bridge rather than a bridge owns these devices?
1674[13:46:07] <boxrick1> Similar to what you can do with a bond and bond_master
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1677[13:46:59] <Howdy> JPT:End goal was to get PCI Pass thru ...not sure if virtual box ...also have different VMs for gaming & work..
1678[13:47:17] <Howdy> not sure if Virtual Box does VT-D
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1680[13:47:50] <nano_python> You use a vm for gaming 0_0
1681[13:47:54] <JPT> Oh, i understand. In that case VirtualBox might not be the best solution. (not sure though). Btw, steam on linux is quite a nice thing :)
1682[13:48:42] <Howdy> people do gaming on VM now days
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1686[13:49:00] <Howdy> not sure BF4 is out in linux
1687[13:49:02] <Howdy> need to check
1688[13:49:15] <jelly> MaBunny: what do you want to achieve with that line?
1689[13:49:26] <jelly> what is it supposed to do?
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1691[13:49:38] <nano_python> I don't know a single person who games on a VM with any modern game and gets acceptable frames.
1692[13:49:55] <bezaban> nano_python: thats why you need something with vt-
1693[13:49:57] <bezaban> vt-d
1694[13:49:57] <MaBunny> well jelly,i was just trying to follow a guide on the debian wiki
1695[13:50:13] <MaBunny> i was thinking how to put tht sentence in one line
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1698[13:50:22] <bezaban> nano_python: pci passthrough of graphics adapter to vm, screen directly connected to this
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1700[13:50:57] <nano_python> Interesting, I need to look into this more.
1701[13:51:03] <jelly> MaBunny: \ at the end of a line in shell just means continuation
1702[13:51:05] <Howdy> its a big mission you need itme
1703[13:51:15] <Howdy> esp if you new to linux
1704[13:51:24] <jelly> MaBunny: you might as well edit inittab with an editor
1705[13:51:25] <bezaban> or esxi ;)
1706[13:51:26] <MaBunny> so putting \ will not result in a newline?
1707[13:51:31] <MaBunny> yes
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1709[13:52:11] <nano_python> Right now I have it the other way around, I use Windows as my base system and run debian on vm's for everything else.
1710[13:52:40] <jelly> MaBunny: a newline in the output at that place would make incorrect syntax for inittab
1711[13:53:06] <MaBunny> yes
1712[13:54:16] * themill wonders if the relevant init system uses inittab
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1715[13:54:56] <jelly> I'm assuming MaBunny knows what they're doing and they explicitely install sysvinit at some point
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1717[13:56:53] <MaBunny> ok jelly,so how do i make my system boot up with gnome and Xorg and all....sorry if im hanging out too much..
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1727[14:00:42] <MaBunny> any online guide in this regard will help a million miles....
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1737[14:05:52] <Howdy> maybe I should put linux on my laptop
1738[14:06:01] <Howdy> but thinking it will eat up battery
1739[14:06:13] <Howdy> since it has no optimizations for battery saving?
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1741[14:06:41] <nano_python> Lxde install on my laptop lasts 8-9 hours idle and 2-3 hours under load.
1742[14:07:13] <bezaban> Howdy: it has no optimizations for battery saving?
1743[14:07:23] <Howdy> that was an assumption ...
1744[14:07:31] <bezaban> what would you say it's lacking? :)
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1747[14:08:04] <Howdy> like windows can make sure to use mainboard mobo rather then add on graphics card when not gaming
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1749[14:08:18] <Howdy> mainboard gui
1750[14:08:23] <Howdy> graphics card..
1751[14:08:26] <bezaban> Howdy: you have two graphics adaptors on your lapytop?
1752[14:08:28] <Howdy> on chip one fuck
1753[14:08:32] <Howdy> ya
1754[14:08:45] <bezaban> adapters*
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1757[14:08:55] <bezaban> ah, yeah, specialized hardware might not work well
1758[14:09:10] <Howdy> I am have not played bf4 for a while
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1760[14:09:18] <bezaban> but it will spin down, shut down devices, poweroff screen, all the usual
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1764[14:09:43] <Howdy> anybody do any forensics using KALI here?
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1766[14:09:46] <bezaban> and you can rip out major parts of your system, cpu intensive VMs etc
1767[14:09:50] <Howdy> can you find stuff after the fact?
1768[14:09:53] <overun> how do u make debian faster
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1770[14:10:11] <bezaban> try #kali-linux
1771[14:10:49] <nkuttler> overun: what's slow?
1772[14:11:01] <overun> boot time
1773[14:11:12] <nkuttler> overun: get an ssd
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1775[14:11:30] <overun> i have laptop hard drive is that fast?
1776[14:12:20] <nkuttler> overun: is it an ssd?
1777[14:12:30] <overun> 2.5 inch hard drive
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1779[14:12:42] <nkuttler> overun: is it an ssd?
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1781[14:12:52] <overun> no
1782[14:13:00] <nkuttler> then it's not fast
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1786[14:14:59] <overun> Does samsung make good ssd?
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1788[14:15:37] <jelly> they seem to have a range from mediocre to good, so yes
1789[14:15:53] <petn-randall> *cough* 840 Evo *cough*
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1791[14:16:05] <Howdy> looks like #kali-linux is by invitation only?
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1794[14:16:10] <Howdy> cant seem to join it
1795[14:16:21] <petn-randall> !kali
1796[14:16:21] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
1797[14:16:27] <nkuttler> Howdy: probably have to be registered
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1799[14:16:42] <jelly> Howdy: /msg nickserv help register
1800[14:17:07] <Howdy> thanks
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1828[14:28:04] <Howdy> Mouse has not been hanging in windows 10 guest since I switched to KDE
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1831[14:28:30] <Howdy> but I am guessing that should have no effect on mouse hanging on a xen guest
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1835[14:31:26] <MaBunny> anyone can help me in regard to my previous question??
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1842[14:34:36] <ksk> MaBunny: starting gnome at startup? probably something like "dpkg-reconfigure $loginmanager". dunno which comes when you fire an "apt-get install gnome"
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1844[14:34:57] <MaBunny> gdm
1845[14:35:06] <ksk> but that should be really common topic on the interwebs anyways. :)
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1847[14:35:21] <MaBunny> ok cool,will try tht
1848[14:35:24] <MaBunny> thnx
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1850[14:37:25] <Elirips_> Hello. Is there somehwere a logfile of all cronjobs that run between the last 24h or so?
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1856[14:40:54] <han-solo> /var/log/syslog?
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1889[15:00:32] <ws2k3> im using php5 from apt. is it possible to add pthread to that? or do i need to compile php myself if i want pthead?
1890[15:01:08] <petn-randall> Howdy: You'll have to ask in #kali-linux, since that is the distro you're running. Kali is considered offtopic in here.
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1896[15:07:38] <styler2go> When i am using "reboot" i often get "Reached target shutdown" but after that it just hangs with the message: "watchdog: watchdog0: watchdog did not stop!" any idea?
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1899[15:07:53] <MaBunny> replaced-url
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1901[15:08:24] <MaBunny> is there something missing in my sources.list? for debian sid...
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1908[15:10:03] <MaBunny> i want to download a kernel image...but apt says tht it cant find the kernel image
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1911[15:10:36] <petn-randall> !bat
1912[15:10:36] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1913[15:10:39] <petn-randall> MaBunny: ^^^
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1916[15:11:35] <teraflops> MaBunny: re-read your sources.list file
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1918[15:12:15] <MaBunny> replaced-url
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1921[15:12:38] <MaBunny> what do i hav to read in the sources.list?
1922[15:12:50] <teraflops> the top of the file
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1924[15:12:54] <teraflops> :S
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1926[15:13:48] <MaBunny> i dont understand what you meant
1927[15:13:49] <teraflops> unless you pasted it by hand and missed the "d" of the first deb
1928[15:13:57] <MaBunny> oh
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1930[15:14:08] <ws2k3> MaBunny what exacly do you wanne do upgrade the kernel or?
1931[15:14:11] <MaBunny> no theres a deb in the first line,maybe i missed it
1932[15:14:17] <teraflops> ok
1933[15:14:34] <MaBunny> i want to install a kernel in a debootstraped environment
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1944[15:19:19] <edlang> Hi - I am hoping someone can please help me with zfs and iscsi targets on unstable
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1946[15:19:47] <edlang> I think I may need to do something with tgtadm before it works in zfs, but any assistance would be appreciated...
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2006[15:52:16] <hatchetjack> abrotman: what's up dude?
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2008[15:52:40] <abrotman> jesus, LTNS
2009[15:52:50] <hatchetjack> hehe
2010[15:52:56] <hatchetjack> yeah man
2011[15:52:58] <hatchetjack> you doing well?
2012[15:53:04] <abrotman> Mostly
2013[15:53:25] <abrotman> seriously LTNS .. that's like .. five yearS?
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2015[15:53:34] <hatchetjack> I was thinking more like 10?
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2018[15:53:41] <hatchetjack> but it's been a minute or two for sure
2019[15:53:44] <babilen> Get a room! ;)
2020[15:53:59] <abrotman> hatchetjack: #debian-offtopic ?
2021[15:54:06] <hatchetjack> yeah
2022[15:54:33] <Stranger09> why i am not able to install tlp on debian 8.6
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2026[15:55:19] <Stranger09> has tlp removed from debian release
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2028[15:55:54] <babilen> judd: v tlp
2029[15:55:55] <judd> Package: tlp on amd64 -- wheezy-backports-sloppy: 0.9-1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports: 0.9-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.9-1; stretch: 0.9-1
2030[15:56:04] <babilen> dpkg: ell Stranger09 -about jessie-backports
2031[15:56:05] <dpkg> babilen: I wish you would RTFM.
2032[15:56:09] <babilen> dpkg: tell Stranger09 -about jessie-backports
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2034[15:56:40] <babilen> I didn't know that tlp is still being used
2035[15:57:04] <babilen> I thought it is quite obsolete
2036[15:57:14] <Stranger09> babilen: which is better and new
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2039[15:57:58] <Stranger09> babilen: i have thinkpad
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2041[15:58:21] <teraflops> Stranger09: tried powertop?
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2048[16:01:58] <Emil> nkuttler: please then explain how would you achieve the desired?
2049[16:02:34] <Emil> being able to ssh in, but message deliver and connection killed by default
2050[16:02:41] <Emil> delivered*
2051[16:02:53] <Emil> To me using sleep and exec works perfectly
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2056[16:03:50] <giovii> /msg NickServ SETPASS giovii tdbbwqiproyr gio1.
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2059[16:04:28] <abrotman> giovii: try again
2060[16:04:34] <petn-randall> giovii: You might want to change that password now.
2061[16:04:35] <abrotman> and change the password
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2063[16:04:50] <giovii> i cant change it i dont know y
2064[16:04:56] <giovii> i cant even loggin with it
2065[16:05:02] <teraflops> giovii: is not a good idea pasting passwords in a public buffer
2066[16:05:29] <giovii> i know, it was just a test, the server is telling me to do this in a channel
2067[16:05:33] <greycat> giovii: if you have problems with nickserv, best to ask in #freenode
2068[16:05:44] <giovii> ok thankyou!
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2071[16:06:14] <teraflops> anyway shit happens like having a space at the beginning
2072[16:06:35] <Konfusius> hi! I'm using debian jessie and I'm trying to install the oracle JDK according to this instruction: replaced-url
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2077[16:08:12] <teraflops> Konfusius: and?
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2080[16:08:15] <Konfusius> unfortunately it tells me during the 'dpkg -i oracle-java8- ... ' step that dependencies are not met.
2081[16:08:19] <Konfusius> oracle-java8-jdk depends on lib64gcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1).
2082[16:08:19] <Konfusius> oracle-java8-jdk depends on libc6-amd64 (>= 2.7).
2083[16:08:37] <Konfusius> according to synaptic I have newer libs installed
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2085[16:08:50] <nkuttler> Emil: i think you should approach this by thinking about your users, not as a technical problem. you seem to have two kind of users: people who want to log in, and people who shouldn't log in, but might accidentally. breaking login will only annoy the first group, and the second will probably never see it
2086[16:09:18] <nkuttler> Emil: but anyway, whatever works for you
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2088[16:09:42] <petn-randall> Konfusius: Is there a reason you're not using openjdk?
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2091[16:10:03] <Konfusius> is there a way to debug/report this?
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2094[16:10:31] <giovii> really thank you teraflops, i didnt notice the space, not is working
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2096[16:10:50] <Konfusius> I used Openjdk so far, but it seems to create problems since the last update with my eclipse/ADK
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2098[16:11:27] <teraflops> giovii: glad you got it working, but I really recommend you not pasting passwords into public buffers, use the freenode server buffer instead
2099[16:12:07] <giovii> im new to irc, im sorry, by the way i changed it!
2100[16:12:09] <teraflops> giovii: I also recommend you changing that password you pasted here too
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2102[16:12:36] <teraflops> ah ok
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2110[16:14:06] <Konfusius> "problems" as in I a not able to connect to my phone via ADB and it tells me that java from openjdk got terminated.
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2118[16:15:46] <teraflops> does adb depends on openjdk?
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2122[16:18:30] <teraflops> depend^
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2130[16:20:00] <Konfusius> teraflops: according to the documentation only Java 7+ is needed. See: replaced-url
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2139[16:21:28] <teraflops> Konfusius: you said adb not adt
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2147[16:23:15] <needhelp> Hi all! please who can HELP me with EXIM4 on debian 7.11
2148[16:23:28] <needhelp> I followed many tutorials and it's not working
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2161[16:27:11] <cyphix> I run a debian server, and have php 5 and php 7 installed. Should I remove one of them? I don't know which version is used for my websites
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2168[16:28:35] <petn-randall> cyphix: Debian only ships with one, where did you get the other from?
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2174[16:29:02] <cyphix> petn-randall: I... don't know...
2175[16:29:02] <petn-randall> s/one/php5/
2176[16:29:10] <cyphix> I run debian testing
2177[16:29:17] <teraflops> aaww
2178[16:29:34] <petn-randall> cyphix: Oh! Welcome to the testing facility then. If something breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
2179[16:29:38] <petn-randall> !debian-next
2180[16:29:38] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2181[16:29:41] <petn-randall> cyphix: ^^^^
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2185[16:30:27] <cyphix> petn-randall: So it's normal if I have both?
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2187[16:31:09] <petn-randall> cyphix: no
2188[16:31:21] <cyphix> ah...
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2190[16:31:25] <petn-randall> cyphix: Let's carry on in #debian-next, where your request belongs.
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2192[16:32:02] <cyphix> ok, thanks
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2226[16:47:41] <melino> Hi, I looking for how to pinging 8.8.8.8 without answer (only no answer)
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2236[16:52:24] <melino> nothing?
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2238[16:52:53] <greycat> Huh?
2239[16:53:20] <melino> Hi, I looking for how to pinging 8.8.8.8 without answer
2240[16:53:22] <greycat> ping -c 1 8.8.8.8
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2242[16:53:37] <teraflops> melino: read the man page?
2243[16:53:41] <jelly> what do you mean by "without answer"
2244[16:53:41] <greycat> If that is not what you want, then explain what you want.
2245[16:54:04] <teraflops> there's a quiet option
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2248[16:54:16] <donofrio> How do I get AirWatch enrollment of a debian host? (the MDMAgent and the linke *not server* but CLIENT)
2249[16:54:51] <melino> greycat not only 1 ping each ping, printing all no answer
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2251[16:55:07] <teraflops> melino: read the fine manual
2252[16:55:11] <teraflops> again^
2253[16:55:21] <missmbob> melino: what language do you speak?
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2255[16:55:23] <melino> teraflops man ping don't explain how to print only the no answer....
2256[16:55:41] <teraflops> melino: did you reach at the quiet option?
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2260[16:56:15] <teraflops> wait print only the no answser?
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2267[16:57:42] <greycat> ping -c 1 8.8.8.8 >/dev/null 2>&1 || echo "no answer"
2268[16:57:49] <greycat> Is THAT what you want?
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2270[17:00:04] <teraflops> melino: I'm curious why do you want it? are you using it in a script?
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2272[17:00:42] <han-solo> nc -z -w 2 8.8.8.8 80 || echo "no answer"
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2275[17:00:58] <melino> I explain my situation, my ISP do not believe me when I explain my box disconnect many time... I looking for how to insert all ping no answer in the file
2276[17:01:01] <han-solo> or do you want to search for open ports, and echo "no answer"?
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2279[17:01:41] <han-solo> i'm not sure i understand, but
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2282[17:02:14] <greycat> My next guess: he wants to run a continuous ping for many, many hours (maybe 24/7) and wants to suppress all the normal output, but leave all the error output.
2283[17:02:17] <melino> I launch this cmd during 5/6 day for proof each time my box disconnect
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2288[17:02:42] <gebruiker> ls
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2290[17:02:53] <han-solo> yeah
2291[17:02:56] <teraflops> greycat: it's not a good sending handcrafted logs to the ISP
2292[17:03:02] <greycat> I have no clue how to arrange a test setup where I would get some successes and some errors in order to test any attempt to solve this.
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2294[17:03:13] <teraflops> greycat: oops sorry I meant melino
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2296[17:03:23] <melino> teraflops I keep this log only for proof
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2300[17:03:39] <missmbob> it's not proof of anything, though
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2302[17:04:07] <greycat> What are the actual symptoms you get when "disconnected"? Do you get 100% packet loss from ping? Or just some packet loss? Does name resolution fail?
2303[17:04:08] <missmbob> it could mean your wifi sucks. or your rj45 cable needs changing. or the drivers suck. or the router/switch is flaky.
2304[17:04:11] <teraflops> missmbob: some routers have a log facility
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2306[17:04:15] <teraflops> wtf
2307[17:04:21] <missmbob> teraflops: you suck at this :P
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2309[17:04:35] <teraflops> sorry again missmbob weechat has a smartass nickcompletion
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2312[17:04:48] <teraflops> melino: some routers have a log facility
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2316[17:05:38] <melino> teraflops all box not posses a log... stupid ISP box....
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2318[17:05:50] <teraflops> they even have a remote log facility look for micro cuts or whatever there if your router have such feature
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2326[17:06:44] <melino> greycat> I disconnect approximately each 2 day during 10min or plus is depend... and is disconnect anytime....
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2330[17:07:30] <greycat> What does disconnect mean? How do you know it has happened? What do you see?
2331[17:07:35] <teraflops> melino: hmm e.g replaced-url
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2335[17:08:07] <donofrio> How do I get AirWatch enrollment of a debian host? (the MDMAgent and the linke *not server* but CLIENT) ??
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2338[17:08:54] <melino> greycat disconnect is just ping 8.8.8.8 no answer... connection freeze and internet no functionnal....
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2342[17:09:58] <greycat> 100% packet loss? OK, then. And you say it lasts for some minutes. You could run a ping-once script in crontab every minute and log THAT>
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2345[17:10:04] <teraflops> melino: but it does not probe anything if you do from a machine, it has to be done from the router itself
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2348[17:10:18] <teraflops> again some routers have ping utility too
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2353[17:12:33] <deepy> If all you want is a log, wouldn't smokeping be the best solution?
2354[17:12:45] <melino> teraflops I don't have log is a stupid ISP box without log
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2356[17:12:58] <teraflops> melino: also pinging to 8.8.8.8 is not a good idea :P
2357[17:13:15] <teraflops> melino: which router (model) do you have?
2358[17:13:22] <greycat> You should ping one of your ISP's own IPs instead of Google's.
2359[17:13:22] <melino> O2 box
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2363[17:14:44] <melino> haaa drop it...
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2366[17:16:29] <teraflops> if I ping 8.8.8 it shows ~50% packet loss
2367[17:16:29] <julius_> hi
2368[17:16:32] <teraflops> hehe
2369[17:16:42] <teraflops> *8
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2371[17:17:54] <qipo> is apt-offline working?
2372[17:17:57] <julius_> is it normal on a network with a 100mbit switch to see scp packets lengths 2896 up to: 4344 (shown by tcpdump). but hosts use a current debian with not tinkering and gbit network cards
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2376[17:18:37] <melino> teraflops me not, I have just disconnect ping when my box not working
2377[17:18:38] <qipo> on debian jessie "apt-offline set test" gives error apt_pkg is not defined
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2379[17:19:04] <melino> othertime is work and before is work correctly...
2380[17:19:31] <teraflops> melino: adsl?
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2386[17:21:01] <THEFREAKJOE> wich package distribution should i pick jessy or wheezy ?
2387[17:21:06] <THEFREAKJOE> its for games
2388[17:21:09] <julius_> jessy
2389[17:21:11] <THEFREAKJOE> and vr
2390[17:21:13] <THEFREAKJOE> tks
2391[17:21:21] <julius_> chcek if the games support linux...
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2393[17:21:30] <julius_> dont try first person shooters for windows with wine
2394[17:21:33] <melino> teraflops yes
2395[17:21:55] <THEFREAKJOE> tks
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2397[17:22:20] <melino> and before the box working correctly no problem with ping, nothing disconnect, ... now.... lol
2398[17:22:20] <THEFREAKJOE> btw ... wich game is your advice ?
2399[17:23:19] <melino> I just looking for how to save all ping without answer into file...
2400[17:23:36] <melino> nothing other
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2404[17:25:32] <donofrio> who would I talk to in order to ensure that Power PC Big Endian support in Debain9 ???
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2406[17:26:28] <greycat> !debian-next
2407[17:26:28] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2408[17:26:35] <melino> I fink find this solution but is not really good.... while sleep 1; do DATE=$(date); ping -c1 -W1 8.8.8.8 || echo "$DATE : ICMP to 8.8.8.8 failed" >> fichier ; done .... Is not exist simple way?
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2410[17:26:55] <qipo> it it possible on Debian to update the system without accessing Internet from that computer?
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2412[17:26:59] <qipo> *is it
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2418[17:28:50] <donofrio> greycat, I'm in nothing special to do in order to join that channel it seems ;)
2419[17:29:26] <greycat> If you can't read the bot's instructions then you aren't clever enough to enter. Sorry.
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2421[17:29:45] <teraflops> melino: write a simple script
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2424[17:29:57] <greycat> melino: run it once every MINUTE, not once every god damned SECOND.
2425[17:30:04] <teraflops> melino: e.g replaced-url
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2427[17:30:30] <greycat> melino: And ping one of your ISP's machine, not Google's public nameserver.
2428[17:30:38] <teraflops> it's not mine do not blame me for using `` :P
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2435[17:33:28] <melino> teraflops your script is strange and not writing in file all failed ping.....
2436[17:33:29] <jhutchins> melino: There are some connection monitoring programs like smokeping that will probably be more useful than trying to cobble something together in bash.
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2438[17:34:26] <jhutchins> qipo: You can download updates on a connected computer, then transfer and install them.
2439[17:34:29] <jhutchins> !apt offline
2440[17:34:30] <dpkg> To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read replaced-url
2441[17:34:33] <melino> greycat yes my public IP why not
2442[17:34:44] <teraflops> melino: is not mine, read it, it outputs to stdout
2443[17:34:48] <qipo> !apt-zip
2444[17:34:48] <dpkg> Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. replaced-url
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2446[17:35:28] <phryk> can i install packages in a live run of debian?
2447[17:35:30] <Konfusius> thank you teraflops, got oracle-java to run with this tutorial: replaced-url
2448[17:36:04] <teraflops> Konfusius: well but I didn't help you hehe
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2450[17:36:24] <teraflops> Konfusius: also you were talking about ADB then you pasted something about ADT
2451[17:36:28] <melino> teraflops yes but I just looking if not exist a simple way for my command without do, while, ...
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2453[17:37:07] <teraflops> melino: smokeping is fine too, maybe a bit overkill
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2455[17:37:32] <melino> .-.
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2459[17:38:51] <han-solo> ping -c 1 <YOUR.ISP.IP.HERE> || echo "$(date) damn it" >> log.txt
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2461[17:38:56] <han-solo> and put it in crontab
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2466[17:39:35] <greycat> probably want a >/dev/null 2>&1 in there as well, as I had in my original proposal
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2468[17:40:21] <han-solo> yeah
2469[17:40:50] <Konfusius> The Android dvelopment tools need the Android Debug Bridge - so they should be executed with the same environment. (Otherwise things might get complicated ;) ) Everything is installed from downloads/eclipse Plugin Management, so it just needs a JRE and according to some Blogposts I've found prefers the Oracle JDK.
2470[17:40:58] <Konfusius> teraflops: ^
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2482[17:46:57] <qipo> is this apt-zip a safe solution, that is, are the .deb files provided back to the offline computer checked on the offline computer with GPG signatures of debian ftp master?
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2487[17:49:44] <teraflops> Konfusius: you werent clear at the matter you said I cannot connect to my phone via ADB, and I sont see you need *jdk for using adb for such purposes
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2489[17:49:54] <teraflops> don't*
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2491[17:50:40] <teraflops> then you pasted something related to eclipse
2492[17:50:44] <teraflops> anyway nvm
2493[17:50:56] <qipo> I think apt-offline is not working for me, since I never had package list downloaded from internet on this machine (it has no internet hardware)
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2496[17:51:20] <qipo> any wayts to try to work around this apt-offline bug, e.g. can I tell apt-get to somehow empty it's cache or edit it or someting
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2515[17:57:05] <Emil> nkuttler: nah, the point is that people are launching X tunneled shit from the server instead of using vnc, which breaks shit (unfortunately)
2516[17:57:23] <Emil> so if they have some management shit to do, they should be able to do it, otherwise use the vnc software
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2523[17:58:56] <jhutchins> --- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---
2524[17:58:57] <jhutchins> 1563 packets transmitted, 1563 received, 0% packet loss, time 1564544ms
2525[17:59:58] <jhutchins> qipo: It's possible to have apt use removable media for installation and maintenance.
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2528[18:00:12] <jhutchins> qipo: apt works fine without an internet connection.
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2531[18:00:45] <FinalX> given that you set up apt properly to make use of em
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2535[18:03:04] <qipo> jhutchins: but how can you otherwise get needed part of debian repo to removable media? Maybe I should mirror entire deb repo and have it on a large USB disk
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2559[18:10:48] <petn-randall> qipo: Currently running at 55 GB. Probably a larger USB stick.
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2573[18:16:33] <Fox682> 64GBs isn't hard to get 32GBs is cheap now
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2584[18:21:21] <petn-randall> Fox682: You want to have it fast, too, right? So you don't spend 2 days copying the data.
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2592[18:24:32] <Fox682> if I could get the entire repo in a reasonable amount of time... I'd do it. But updating it constantly would be a pain...
2593[18:25:00] <Fox682> Unless they'd give it out on a USB stick and then you can update it on your own with another device... like a Pi or something.
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2603[18:27:39] <qipo> Fox682: usb attached hard drive (~200 gb for example) should do fine
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2605[18:28:39] <maskara> Hi is there another channel I should be in for point Linux help or am I cool here?
2606[18:28:41] <Fox682> qipo, oh it's doable for sure, it's keeping it updated would be painful... unless you had a way to easily or automatically do it. Unless you want to always carry an old version of the repo around or in storage.
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2611[18:29:31] <mtn> maskara: this channel is only for debian support
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2617[18:30:51] <gebruiker> Running a new setup VLM encrypted drives, saw some errors on bootup. Can not find them anymore as there is not /var/log/boot.log and journalctl -b does not show any thing. The errors where before booting the Operating System, where it asks for a passwd to continue
2618[18:31:18] <gebruiker> "volume group devian vg not found" as I recall
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2623[18:33:24] <maskara> Ahhh..k back to my search ty
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2672[18:49:28] <kion> Hello I am following this guide to make my own backport of Kdenlive, replaced-url
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2676[18:50:40] <thomasp> usually apt-get upgrade goes well, but this time it didn't. could anyone give me a hint to what I can try next? short output: replaced-url
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2679[18:52:42] <greycat> Oh god, cmake. I'm not touching THAT one.
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2687[18:53:56] <greycat> ,v libapache2-mod-jk
2688[18:53:57] <judd> Package: libapache2-mod-jk on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1:1.2.37-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 1:1.2.37-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1:1.2.37-4+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:1.2.37-4+deb8u1; stretch: 1:1.2.42-1; sid: 1:1.2.42-1
2689[18:54:18] <thomasp> I'm on jessie btw
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2693[18:55:38] <greycat> thomasp: you'll have to figure out why the first postinst script returned with an error. Try editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-jk.postinst and changing the shebang to have -x, or adding a "set -x" line.
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2698[18:57:51] <thomasp> greycat: that gave me a bunch of output, looks like `a2enmod -m -q jk` went wrong?
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2701[18:58:55] <greycat> I don't know the mod-jk stuff personally. All I can do is help you try to figure out where the error is coming from, and it looks like you can move to the next step now. Whatever that may be.
2702[18:58:56] <thomasp> I don't know if you can see more from this perhaps greycat? replaced-url
2703[18:59:01] <thomasp> ah ok
2704[18:59:04] <thomasp> thanks
2705[18:59:12] <thomasp> I'll see what I can dig up :-)
2706[18:59:39] <greycat> Yes, your analysis seems correct. The fatal error is that a2enmod command.
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2709[19:00:20] <thomasp> if I run it manually I get `ERROR: Module jk does not exist!` but that's probably because I'm not in the process of installing
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2866[20:11:03] <fiveflowerzz> what doesn't this work in crontab -e
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2874[20:11:51] <fiveflowerzz> * * * * * /usr/bin/python /root/blah.py restart
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2876[20:12:28] <somiaj> fiveflowerzz: how often do you want this to run?
2877[20:12:36] <fiveflowerzz> every minute
2878[20:12:44] <fiveflowerzz> which user is starting this?
2879[20:12:51] <fiveflowerzz> is it root?
2880[20:12:58] <fiveflowerzz> when crontab does it?
2881[20:13:00] <petemc> which user did you run crontab -e as?
2882[20:13:05] <fiveflowerzz> root
2883[20:13:11] <greycat> How do you know it's not working?
2884[20:13:18] <fiveflowerzz> nothing happens
2885[20:13:23] <fiveflowerzz> if I do it manually it works
2886[20:13:35] <greycat> Well, we have no idea what your python program is supposed to do.
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2888[20:14:45] <fiveflowerzz> Will the argument at the end be passed to the script : * * * * * /usr/bin/python /root/talktalktalk/talktalktalk.py restart
2889[20:14:48] <fiveflowerzz> I mean the "restart"
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2891[20:14:51] <greycat> Yes.
2892[20:15:21] <greycat> If you doubt this, or anything else, have your script log its start time and arguments in some kind of log file.
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2923[20:31:52] <jelly> !qotd0
2924[20:31:52] <dpkg> * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song
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2934[20:37:30] <unborn> petemc: you should not give out info about who is starting your script.. just say you want to run it at the time as an user - that is all you should give out...
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2940[20:39:28] <yulax> hi folks
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2942[20:39:33] <yulax> i'm having trouble with cgit
2943[20:39:39] <yulax> on nginx.
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2945[20:39:53] <yulax> is there someone who would be willing to help me?
2946[20:39:55] <unborn> sorry im apache guy :)
2947[20:40:14] <yulax> well, it is to do with not being able to get the index file
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2949[20:40:22] <yulax> cgit is clearly running
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2955[20:41:02] <yulax> the root dir is set to /usr/share/cgit and when i go on the server to find /cgit.css it is available
2956[20:41:41] <yulax> but just going on the website where it is hosted, it says 404 not found because nothing is presenting an index file
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2960[20:43:36] <teraflops> unborn: :S
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2963[20:45:47] * unborn give out hug to teraflops - well we cannot be the same in end of the day ;)
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2965[20:46:04] <teraflops> yulax: mind pasting your "server {" block?
2966[20:46:19] <r0ck> hey ppl, do you know why I cant autossh reverse tunnel on port 27910 for quake2 game?
2967[20:46:20] <yulax> teraflops: sure mate
2968[20:46:35] <teraflops> replaced-url
2969[20:46:36] <teraflops> hehe
2970[20:46:45] <unborn> r0ck: nope..
2971[20:47:12] <r0ck> unborn: there arent limitation for like port numbers?
2972[20:47:25] <r0ck> like for 5 digit numbers?
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2974[20:47:40] <yulax> teraflops: replaced-url
2975[20:47:47] <greycat> Ports are 1 ~ 65535
2976[20:47:48] <teraflops> r0ck: not above 1024, up to 65535 is fine
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2979[20:48:26] <yulax> teraflops: took most of it from arch wiki since i don't really understand all the options
2980[20:49:06] <missmbob> fucking christ virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory
2981[20:49:21] <missmbob> guess i wont be building virtualbox after all
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2984[20:50:14] <unborn> r0ck: im sorry, im using debian for servers from 2001 - servers not gaming rubbish - you should speak to quake game server developer about this issue - you know - sorry to say that but it have absolutely nothing to do with debian.. so.. before I ask you why did you come here with your question - did you asked the devs of quake whatever that rubbish means?
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2988[20:50:54] <yulax> unborn: do you mean... a debian version from 2001? is that a good idea?
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2990[20:51:18] <teraflops> yulax: hmm
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2992[20:51:33] <yulax> what's the verdict?
2993[20:51:35] <unborn> yulax: I mean - he is in wrong channel..
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2996[20:52:01] <yulax> gee you're right
2997[20:52:02] <r0ck> unborn: I run quake on debian from debian repos
2998[20:52:34] <unborn> yulax: i got your sarcasm but - he really is
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3002[20:53:06] <teraflops> yulax: so hey do you have location /git instead /? is there a git folder inside?
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3004[20:53:12] <teraflops> s/hey/why
3005[20:53:12] <unborn> r0ck: sure.. i and we all understand.. you can find out who is in those repos as dev.
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3007[20:53:50] <unborn> r0ck: you should contact them directly
3008[20:53:56] <yulax> teraflops: actually, not sure why that is there
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3011[20:54:14] <teraflops> yulax: also location ~* ^.+\.(css|png|ico)$ { root /whatever/path ... look better for me
3012[20:54:15] <unborn> :D
3013[20:54:33] <teraflops> yulax: then check it out
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3015[20:54:39] * unborn loves debian devs :)
3016[20:55:00] <yulax> teraflops: i have removed the block, and now i get bad gateway
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3018[20:55:15] <teraflops> yulax: also start by simpler "server {" when it's working go improve it
3019[20:55:22] <teraflops> a simpler*
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3024[20:56:31] <teraflops> yulax: notice you have root /usr/lib/cgit and location /git that's why I asked
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3027[20:58:03] <teraflops> yulax: removed what?
3028[20:59:40] <teraflops> yulax: are you following some tutorial or whatever?
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3035[21:00:57] <yulax> teraflops: no, i removed the /git block
3036[21:01:39] <teraflops> yulax: are you following some tutorial or whatever?
3037[21:01:45] <yulax> no
3038[21:02:14] <yulax> teraflops: i have a new, simpler file
3039[21:02:21] <yulax> it is at the same url.
3040[21:02:41] <teraflops> yulax: k, replaced-url
3041[21:02:44] <yulax> basically it is the same problem
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3052[21:07:41] <Razva> guys, this is killing me! replaced-url
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3062[21:08:59] <yulax> teraflops: the problem is basically that there is no index file, and i don't know where to point it to
3063[21:09:18] <yulax> in the example, we have /var/replaced-url
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3066[21:10:05] <teraflops> yulax: yeah edit it to point to your root ^
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3069[21:11:35] <yulax> ok, it's gone down :-(
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3072[21:14:25] <teraflops> yulax: also what's the output of `tree /usr/lib/cgit` ?
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3074[21:15:44] <teraflops> yulax: you know about nginx? I mean what is root and what location means regarding to root?
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3076[21:16:13] <yulax> i'm just configuring it, the connection is slow atm
3077[21:16:51] <teraflops> yulax: ok, no problem
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3087[21:21:09] <yulax> teraflops: replaced-url
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3125[21:33:24] <yulax> teraflops: it is the same problem i had before
3126[21:33:30] <yulax> bad gateway
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3164[21:49:39] <yulax> damn, it just shows the default debian nginx page
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3167[21:50:45] <majesticc> what SSH client do you guys use?
3168[21:50:58] <greycat> OpenSSH
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3172[21:51:58] <majesticc> greycat any special reason? what do you think about bitvise?
3173[21:52:09] <teraflops> yulax: bad gateway usually means php-fpm/nginx.conf misconfiguration most of the time
3174[21:52:27] <greycat> I don't think anything about it, because I've literally never heard of it. Are you just here to advertise it?
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3176[21:53:23] <majesticc> greycat No I asked what SSH client you guys were using, perhaps there was a special reason behind your choice
3177[21:53:30] <greycat> !poll
3178[21:53:31] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
3179[21:53:44] <centrx> majesticc: OpenSSH is the standard, and the best, at least for security
3180[21:53:45] <missmbob> because debian is linux. bitvisa is a windows client
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3182[21:53:56] <missmbob> bitvise*
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3193[21:57:26] <yulax> sounds like a bad beer
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3204[22:00:45] <missmbob> bad beer is what caused him to ask about it in #debian
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3262[22:27:56] <THEFREAKJOE> hi there
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3267[22:29:22] <THEFREAKJOE> replaced-url
3268[22:29:33] <jhutchins> majesticc: Putty is also available in Linux.
3269[22:29:44] <THEFREAKJOE> i have a gtx1060
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3271[22:30:14] <wali420> i am in need of somr help
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3274[22:31:08] <jhutchins> wali420: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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3277[22:31:35] <wali420> can we talk in a private message
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3279[22:31:53] <jhutchins> THEFREAKJOE: It's good to summarize your problem so people know whether to spend their time looking at it.
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3281[22:32:19] <jhutchins> wali420: We prefer to work in public. That way we can colaborate and check each others work.
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3284[22:32:36] <THEFREAKJOE> jhutchins, i just want to install nvidia driver, just dat , please step by step
3285[22:32:54] <greycat> THEFREAKJOE: replaced-url
3286[22:33:10] <jhutchins> !nvidia
3287[22:33:10] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
3288[22:33:15] <THEFREAKJOE> its for a 1060gtx jhutchins
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3298[22:34:57] <wali420> ok i tryed tunneling crunch to aircrack i followed all directions and it said somethin along the line of the networking but i will try agen and copy and past if u would like
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3302[22:35:33] <jhutchins> wali420: That would probably be a good idea.
3303[22:35:51] <jhutchins> wali420: Are you using actual Debian? Which release?
3304[22:36:10] <wali420> lol would u know the command to turn my network back on after useing air crack so i dont have to reset it and i am useing kali 2.0
3305[22:36:17] <wali420> and yes i am new to this
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3309[22:36:51] <THEFREAKJOE> is this the right driver, # apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver
3310[22:36:53] <THEFREAKJOE> ?
3311[22:37:03] <THEFREAKJOE> for a 1060gtx
3312[22:37:05] <jhutchins> wali420: Which release?
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3315[22:37:18] <wali420> hold on let me find out
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3318[22:38:05] <missmbob> !kali
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3320[22:38:05] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
3321[22:38:07] <jhutchins> lsb-release -a
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3323[22:38:17] <jhutchins> missmbob: Yes, I suspect that.
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3326[22:38:38] <yulax> THEFREAKJOE: yeah. but why can't you use Nouveau?
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3330[22:39:39] <wali420> Distributor ID: Kali
3331[22:39:40] <wali420> Description: Kali GNU/Linux Rolling
3332[22:39:40] <wali420> Release: kali-rolling
3333[22:39:40] <wali420> Codename: kali-rolling
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3340[22:41:31] <wali420> the release says kali-rolling
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3342[22:41:39] <missmbob> wali420: which isn't supported here
3343[22:41:42] <missmbob> !tell wali420 about kali
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3345[22:42:11] <yulax> wali420: /buffer 10
3346[22:42:19] <wali420> please alliterate
3347[22:42:32] <yulax> srry
3348[22:42:36] <yulax> mistake
3349[22:42:36] <jhutchins> wali420: Please use the kalis support channel.
3350[22:42:45] <wali420> no one dont awnser
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3352[22:42:51] <wali420> but ill try more
3353[22:42:57] <yulax> wait a while then
3354[22:43:07] <missmbob> them not answering doesnt make kali on topic here
3355[22:43:08] <wali420> should i try other networks?
3356[22:43:09] <jhutchins> wali420: You may have to use mailing lists.
3357[22:43:17] <yulax> people have other things in their lives
3358[22:44:11] <wali420> ok thank u jhutchins i just thought kali was apart of debian 8? no?
3359[22:44:39] <missmbob> no
3360[22:44:43] <jhutchins> wali420: Nope. Some people took debian and modified it. We don't know what they might hvae changed
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3362[22:45:11] <wali420> once agen thank yall
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3366[22:45:44] <jhutchins> walking: NP. If you end up running Debian c'mon back.
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3380[22:50:23] * n4dir wondering why one doesn't simply install aircrack on debian if one wants to use it ...
3381[22:50:50] <missmbob> it's not hip
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3385[22:51:31] <missmbob> i seriously can't think of any single other reason
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3388[22:53:54] <n4dir> me neither.
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3390[22:54:18] <nkuttler> not that it's on topic, but kali packages lots of things that are not in debian
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3395[22:55:09] <winsen> hi all
3396[22:55:21] <winsen> does anyone know how can I seen which network car I am using?
3397[22:55:35] <winsen> *I see
3398[22:55:42] <nkuttler> winsen: start with lspci
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3400[22:56:20] <n4dir> and those packages would be?
3401[22:56:22] <missmbob> lspci -nn would be more helpful since it'll give you pciid
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3405[22:56:44] <nkuttler> n4dir: ask #kali-linux
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3409[22:57:38] <n4dir> i don't need to ask. I know kali, and there was not much you wouldn't have at debian too.
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3413[22:58:12] <winsen> nkuttler: thanks, now how can make it stable in the future by default.
3414[22:58:12] <winsen> ?
3415[22:58:22] <nkuttler> winsen: what do you mean?
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3419[22:59:14] <winsen> nkuttler: I need to use one network card by default and in case of it doesn't then I'll change it. .
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3422[22:59:36] <winsen> *doesn't work
3423[22:59:51] <winsen> nkuttler: does that make sense?
3424[22:59:53] <nkuttler> winsen: not sure what that means. see man 5 interfaces?
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3442[23:02:32] <winsen> nkuttler: I mean I can use internal network card by default rather than usb network adapter?
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3444[23:02:41] <winsen> *how can I
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3446[23:03:15] <winsen> nkuttler: I mean how can I choose internal network card by default rather than usb network adapter?
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3448[23:03:18] <nkuttler> winsen: man 5 interfaces, though perhaps network-manager can do this as well
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3452[23:03:37] <Sean_McG> hi -- when I'm attempting to build a new debian kernel package based on an existing one, how do I make sure the version number is higher/different so that it doesn't get offered back to me when I apt-get?
3453[23:03:38] <n4dir> wicd-gtk sure can
3454[23:03:42] <missmbob> you simply have one enabled and one disabled. that's it
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3456[23:03:52] <missmbob> nmtui is the easiest way in terminal to set it up
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3464[23:05:44] <n4dir> Sean_McG: i got this in my notes: fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-greek-hero-name" --revision "datestamp" --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers
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3466[23:05:50] <n4dir> revision is probably the answer
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3469[23:06:30] <Sean_McG> n4dir: I've been following replaced-url
3470[23:06:43] <missmbob> Sean_McG: replaced-url
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3473[23:07:08] <missmbob> Sean_McG: fuck that. read the one i just linked you to
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3475[23:07:35] <winsen> nkuttler: man 5 interfaces, doesn't reply to my question
3476[23:07:57] <nkuttler> winsen: sure it does. configure one device to autostart, and not the other
3477[23:08:12] <missmbob> winsen: the one you dont want enabled you have set to manual. like "iface wlan1 inet manual"
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3479[23:08:24] <missmbob> then you have to ifup wlan1
3480[23:08:29] <n4dir> Sean_McG: for starters i don't know enough. And as far kernels are concerned: i think there are several ways (not right or wrong, just several).
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3482[23:08:48] <Sean_McG> n4dir: OK, I will give make-kpkg a shot
3483[23:08:49] <missmbob> no, there's really only one way. the debian way(tm) the kernel handbook says to do
3484[23:08:56] <missmbob> Sean_McG: dont. that's deprecated
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3486[23:09:02] <Sean_McG> oh.
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3488[23:09:10] <missmbob> Sean_McG: you're supposed to do make deb-pkg -- again, read the link i gave you
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3490[23:09:50] <Sean_McG> OK
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3492[23:11:24] <n4dir> this way, that way, this never failed on me: replaced-url
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3495[23:12:08] <missmbob> n4dir: that used to be the way. now make-kpkg is overtaken by make deb-pkg
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3497[23:12:51] <Sean_McG> wow, you can package right from a pristine source download
3498[23:12:53] <Sean_McG> snazzy
3499[23:12:58] <missmbob> yes
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3515[23:16:51] <winsen> I need to change grub boot order, can you tell me which number I should use to make windows7 first, I don't understand the 2 first lines :replaced-url
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3527[23:21:21] <User142> can i install debian linux on an empty 4TB HDD ?
3528[23:21:35] <nkuttler> User142: certainly
3529[23:21:36] <greycat> You need a computer, too, not just a disk.
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3532[23:21:57] <User142> when i try to do that and reach the partation part i only see my HDD as 1.8TB?
3533[23:22:07] <winsen> nkuttler: how can I make it with netwok manager, I didn't find the 2 names of network card
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3535[23:22:11] <greycat> Make sure you format the disk as GPT, not MS-DOS.
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3537[23:22:24] <nkuttler> winsen: no idea, i'd use the interfaces file
3538[23:22:24] <missmbob> and is this a raid?
3539[23:22:37] <winsen> missmbob: are you asking to do it on terminal?
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3541[23:22:53] <User142> greycat: from where do i format the disk ?
3542[23:23:03] <missmbob> winsen: uh. i dont know what you're talking about. so i guess not.
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3545[23:23:26] <User142> is there an option on the instlation process ?
3546[23:23:52] <winsen> missmbob: how can I see which network card adapter I am using on network manager?
3547[23:23:56] <greycat> If you've already got a unix on the computer, you could do it from there before booting the Debian installer. Otherwise, you'll have to convince the installer to do it, if it didn't automatically come up in UEFI mode.
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3549[23:24:27] <greycat> If the machine boots your installer in UEFI mode, everything should just work by default.
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3551[23:24:49] <missmbob> winsen: are you using ntmui or some other network manager interface?
3552[23:24:49] <greycat> Of course I am also assuming you are using an INSTALLER IMAGE, not a "live" image, as the latter does not support UEFI installations.
3553[23:24:50] <User142> greycat: i forced it to boot into UEFI but i still see the disk as 1.8TB
3554[23:25:09] <greycat> Format it by hand. By whatever means. Get thee to a parted command.
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3559[23:25:44] <nano_python> I like to keep a Arch usb around for formatting, all you need to do is type 3 commands after booting it.
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3561[23:25:47] <missmbob> winsen: in ntmui, if you go to edit connection...scroll down...keep scrolling...you'll see "never use this network for default route" <-- check that for the one you dont want active. leave unchecked for the one you do
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3567[23:27:27] <missmbob> User142: google gparted live cd. might be easier for a newbie to use that to partition/format
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3570[23:28:44] <User142> ok thanks guys, going to try that now, cheers
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3581[23:31:26] <wirebrush456> What hob setting for fried eggs?
3582[23:31:29] <wonderworld> i have this iptables rule active on my routing box: iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.1.20 -j DROP (i want to disallow internet access for this IP-adress) i works but after reading up a bit more on iptables i don't understand why. I realized the INPUT chain only manages packages that have a local process as destination. the packages in question are being routed to the outside world so I would expect the FORWARD chain to be the right
3583[23:31:30] <wonderworld> chain to use? I don't understand why it's working anyway?
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3586[23:32:24] <nano_python> User142, If you don't want to download a whole new image to boot to
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3588[23:32:43] <nano_python> You can do it from Debian installer, with a few easy commands
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3592[23:35:12] <User142> nano_python: what are those commands?
3593[23:35:36] <nano_python> If you start up your Debian installer, goto Advanced > Expert Install
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3595[23:36:04] <nano_python> You can then select "Load components from CD" and load parted
3596[23:36:35] <nano_python> And using the "Start Shell" you can type parted > mklabel gpt
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3599[23:36:47] <nano_python> That will change the partition table to gpt format
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3605[23:37:45] <nano_python> It will delete everything on the disk however, but that can't be avoided.
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3632[23:48:19] <wirebrush456> guess how i remember the most abundant elements in the universe
3633[23:49:01] <wirebrush456> i say hhocn insm
3634[23:49:23] <wirebrush456> Herhoccan insem
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