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• 1[00:00:43] <awwal> starting to be lost calebwill :P
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• 5[00:01:34] <de-facto> is there an easy way to clone one jessie vps to another vps? i thought about installing the target, then boot from an emergency cd, nuke the fs and rsync the source over that partition, would that work when i adjust just the uuids in fstab?
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• 9[00:02:21] <awwal> so if i run systemctl set-default multi-user.target only the multi-user.target services will be loaded and not the graphical ones? calebwill
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• 11[00:03:15] <calebwill> awwal: yes, targets are a little like runlevels. if the default target is multi-user.target on boot systemd will only start what multi-user.target depends on.
• 12[00:03:32] <calebwill> awwal: this still doesn't answer why "systemctl mask lightdm" did not actually mask the service
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• 14[00:04:14] <awwal> calebwill, no idea
• 15[00:05:31] <awwal> so I have to compare the 2 list multi user and graphical targets and find if i set multi user as default? calebwill
• 16[00:05:49] <calebwill> awwal: the only way i get reproduce that (using different service) is to mask the service while it is still running
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• 20[00:06:16] <calebwill> awwal: you don't have to.. i'm saying look at the output of those commands to understand what each target will load
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• 22[00:06:58] <awwal> calebwill, ok,
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• 24[00:07:10] <mutante> just upgrade an iceweasel on stretch and ..bam i have Firefox again. after 10 years , and it almost feels wrong now, haha, but congrats to Mozilla agreement
• 25[00:07:26] <mutante> was surprised by it.. wtf its firefox :)
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• 27[00:07:39] <awwal> I dont execute commands just bcoz of executing them, calebwill :P
• 28[00:07:58] <awwal> calebwill, ok, going to mask lightdm while is running now
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• 30[00:09:04] <awwal> calebwill, disable then mask or just mask? or it doesnt matter?
• 31[00:09:18] <awwal> mask will disable anyway, eh?
• 32[00:10:08] <awwal> i mean mask = disable+mask, eh
• 33[00:10:12] <awwal> ?
• 34[00:10:19] <calebwill> awwal: you need to use mask because the lightdm.service is missing an [Install] section. systemd is not supposed to load masked units (which are links to /dev/null)
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• 37[00:11:11] <calebwill> awwal: disable is unnecessary when you mask something
• 38[00:11:25] <awwal> calebwill, ok I just masked lightdm.service but no output :P
• 39[00:12:17] <awwal> rebooting and see...
• 40[00:12:22] <calher> Is Firefox GNU FSDG-compliant now?
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• 46[00:13:58] <awwal> calebwill, no chance :P lightdm still loaded
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• 48[00:14:55] <awwal> what is the install section exactly?
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• 55[00:16:28] <calebwill> awwal: it's covered in the systemd.unit man page. "systemctl status lightdm" still says "Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service; masked)" and /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service is still a symlink to /dev/null?
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• 57[00:16:47] <nyrk> hi, can someone point me to : how to have debian jessie boot from partition bootloader ?
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• 60[00:17:39] <awwal> calebwill, yes replaced-url
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• 62[00:18:10] <calebwill> awwal: what happens if you "systemctl stop lightdm"?
• 63[00:18:47] <awwal> calebwill, let me logout from X and check
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• 73[00:22:42] <awwal> calebwill, ok, logged out from X and started X with startx in tty1 the stoped lightdm
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• 76[00:22:56] <awwal> lightdm is stoped fine
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• 80[00:24:04] <calebwill> awwal: what does the status say?
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• 82[00:25:00] <awwal> paste.debian.net/735968
• 83[00:25:05] <awwal> calebwill
• 84[00:25:22] <calebwill> awwal: also "systemctl start lightdm" should say "Failed to start lightdm.service: Unit lightdm.service is masked."
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• 86[00:25:44] <awwal> let me try :P
• 87[00:26:07] <calebwill> awwal: you're using systemd 215 right?
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• 91[00:29:26] <awwal> calebwill, lightdm is started just fine :P replaced-url
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• 93[00:31:08] <awwal> now i have to X sessions. fvwm started with startx and running in tty1, and another session of fvwm running in tty7 started by lightdm :D
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• 96[00:32:34] <awwal> calebwill, so masked havent did it's job, seems
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• 98[00:33:07] <awwal> "mask" havent did its job ^
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• 101[00:34:05] <calebwill> awwal: something is fishy. A masked service for me shows " Loaded: masked (/dev/null)", but for you it shows a path to the unit in /lib, with a status masked
• 102[00:34:16] <linuxthefish> very fishy
• 103[00:34:33] <awwal> If systemctl has masked it really, I souldn't be able to start it regarding what man says. I dont get output when executing systemctl mask lightdm.service . something is missing here :P
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• 108[00:36:14] <awwal> No clue what happens exactly
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• 110[00:36:32] <awwal> dpkg can do something in this case?
• 111[00:36:34] <dpkg> awwal: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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• 114[00:36:45] <calebwill> awwal: is it creating the symlink in /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service?
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• 116[00:37:27] <awwal> calebwill, who and when?
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• 119[00:37:51] <awwal> systemctl when enabling?
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• 121[00:38:27] <awwal> ok, got you now
• 122[00:38:30] <awwal> let me check
• 123[00:38:32] <calebwill> awwal: "systemctl mask ..." should create /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service which is a symlink to /dev/null
• 124[00:38:35] <calebwill> does that happen?
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• 126[00:39:37] <awwal> as I told you, I dont get output when I execute systemctl mask lightdm.service but let me ls etc systemd system
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• 130[00:41:01] <awwal> calebwill, i see lightdm.service there replaced-url
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• 133[00:42:02] <calebwill> awwal: you need to use ls -l to see what the symlink points to.
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• 136[00:43:22] <awwal> calebwill , same as what I pasted before "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jun 10 17:29 /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service -> /dev/null"
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• 138[00:44:06] <calebwill> awwal: i'm going to try and reproduce this with lightdm in a VM
• 139[00:44:20] <awwal> calebwill, ok
• 140[00:45:01] <awwal> calebwill, while you do that, I go smoke one :P brb
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• 160[00:56:15] <awwal> calebwill, reproducible there?
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• 163[00:57:44] <calebwill> awwal: the VM is still installing lxde
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• 169[00:58:23] <awwal> calebwill, ok
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• 175[01:01:00] <awwal> calebwill, here is task-lxde-desktop, not only lxde meta pkg. dont know if it matters
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• 179[01:02:46] <awwal> since that task recommends lightdm | x-display-manager
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• 187[01:03:57] <awwal> curious why lightdm is a recommend for task-lxde-desktop but a dependency for task-xfce-desktop
• 188[01:05:29] <calebwill> awwal: so if you run "systemctl unmask lightdm" does it say Removed symlink /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service.?
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• 195[01:09:01] <calebwill> awwal: okay, the VM still loads and starts lightdm.service even when it is masked
• 196[01:09:05] <awwal> calebwill, curious, now I get output masking and unmasking replaced-url
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• 199[01:09:58] <awwal> calebwill, ok, so you have reproduced the problem
• 200[01:10:59] <calebwill> awwal: do you have a /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service ?
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• 202[01:11:54] <awwal> no that I get output (creating and removing the symlinks) when i run systemctl mask or unmask lightdm.service lightdm may not be loaded anymore if I mask it again and reboot
• 203[01:12:24] <awwal> calebwill, let me check
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• 211[01:13:58] <calebwill> awwal: aha.. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Jun 10 19:13 display-manager.service -> /lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service
• 212[01:14:17] <awwal> calebwill, no, no trace of display-manager.service in systemd/system
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• 215[01:16:03] <awwal> calebwill, the symlink of mask is effectively created and removed now here only after I masked, rebooted, stoped and started lightdm
• 216[01:16:25] <awwal> you may reproduce that there too
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• 218[01:17:16] <awwal> going to mask lightdm again, reboot and see now if its effectively disabled /masked
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• 222[01:19:41] <awwal> after removing the symlink (unmask), systemctl wont mask anymore :P
• 223[01:19:53] <tzica> apache2ctl -S shouldn't show all vhosts ? including https ?
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• 225[01:21:33] <calebwill> awwal: it's not clear to me why the masked service is still starting. have you tried "systemctl set-default multi-user.target"?
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• 228[01:23:03] <awwal> calebwill, not yet
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• 233[01:23:25] <awwal> trying to mask it again and get systemctl create the symlink
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• 235[01:24:05] <calebwill> awwal: i think there is something else starting the unit, but i haven't figured it out. multi-user.target probably does what you want though
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• 238[01:24:36] <__CoolGuy> hi
• 239[01:25:13] <__CoolGuy> Cannot send to channel. What does it mean?
• 240[01:25:23] <awwal> calebwill, rebooting after masking. then i'll stop the service and start it again and maybe i'll get systemctl creating the symlink as before
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• 247[01:27:58] <de-facto> what weird units for "G" does the debian installer use? 2^30 or 10^9 bytes? how can i use 2^30 bytes? this screwed up my install :(
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• 254[01:33:34] <awwal> calebwill, mask creates the symlink only if I stop lightdm and start it again, but lightdm still loaded :p
• 255[01:33:44] <tomreyn> you can always partition first from a live cd, then use the installer
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• 257[01:33:59] <calebwill> awwal: yeah something else we haven't found is starting lightdm. use the multi-user.target
• 258[01:34:22] <de-facto> tomreyn yeah thats what i thought too, i think i would have to go this route :(
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• 263[01:35:45] <tomreyn> or use the gparted live cd if you already installed
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• 266[01:37:35] <de-facto> yeah but why does the debian installer use such weird (useless) units? for example if i want to have swap two times physical memory its not possible with this installer...
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• 268[01:38:17] <awwal> calebwill, yes, comparing the multi user .target and the graphical one...
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• 270[01:38:30] <tomreyn> i'm not saying it does, i just don't know
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• 273[01:39:19] <awwal> calebwill, you may be tired now :D
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• 276[01:40:29] <calebwill> awwal: i would like to understand why masking the service doesn't work. i suspect it has something to do with Debian packaging or the alternatives system (to make sure that a DM is started no matter which one it is).
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• 281[01:41:35] <awwal> calebwill, thats the case yes " make sure that a DM is started no matter which one it is"
• 282[01:42:00] <calebwill> awwal: anyways setting the default target to multi-user.target is a much clearer way to do what you want
• 283[01:42:18] <calebwill> if you find that some services aren't starting that you expected you could look at fixing that
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• 286[01:43:01] <awwal> but what I also no understand is why if I install wdm and choose it as default when dpkg prompt then without rebooting at all systemctl disables both lightdm and wdm just fine, calebwill
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• 299[01:44:45] <calebwill> awwal: you could try comparing files in /etc/systemd/system with and without wdm installed to try and figure it out
• 300[01:46:10] <de-facto> omg this is seriously annoying, i really have to download another livecd for installing debian with proper partitioning...
• 301[01:46:16] <awwal> calebwill, yes, now trying to compare both targets for find out if multi-user.target loads all the services (right now wdm is not installed). later if I get really lost I'll just install wdm then disable both lightdm and wdm for finally use just startx which was my end goal
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• 305[01:47:08] <calebwill> awwal: you don't want to try booting with the multi-user.target?
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• 307[01:47:54] <awwal> calebwill, will try yes, but how to check which one is default now?
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• 309[01:48:04] <awwal> I guess hraphical ?
• 310[01:48:50] <calebwill> awwal: "systemctl get-default"
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• 313[01:49:42] <awwal> calebwill, ok, graphical is default
• 314[01:50:03] <awwal> calebwill, so systemctl set-default multi-user.target eh?
• 315[01:50:52] <calebwill> awwal: you can always set it back to graphical.target if you don't like it
• 316[01:51:13] <awwal> calebwill, obvious yeah :P
• 317[01:52:21] <awwal> calebwill, ok, rebooting after setting multi user as default and check if finally I get out lighdm :P
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• 321[01:57:25] <awwal> calebwill, finally lightdm is not loaded paste.debian.net/736195
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• 323[01:57:56] <awwal> after setting multi-user.target as default :P
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• 327[02:00:03] <awwal> calebwill, I know you must be tired , me too I'm starting to have a headache :P Thanks for your time. i think we have learned some stuff today :P
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• 337[02:02:45] <calebwill> awwal: cheers. that's basically what the different targets are for. it's still a mystery to me why masking lightdm.service wasn't enough
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• 340[02:04:39] <kcirick> Hello.. I'm possibly interested in having debian a go... Do they use systemd as default?
• 341[02:04:53] <markybob> kcirick: yes
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• 343[02:06:21] <kcirick> also, does the netinstall work with wifi card too, or just wired network?
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• 346[02:06:39] <awwal> calebwill, I have no clue :) now trying to learn about "targets" for understand what they are exactly and what real effect the end user experiments when one of them is chosen as default. thanks for your time :P
• 347[02:07:37] <markybob> kcirick: the normal netinst doesnt have firmware which a lot of wifi's need. however, there is a netinst that includes them. replaced-url
• 348[02:07:41] <BenLue> i have some trouble with my ipv6, cant open my project page! Anyone ideas? "/etc/network/interfaces": replaced-url
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• 352[02:09:06] <kcirick> the default is a 3 DVD set or 8 CD set... is there no installation media that will fit into one DVD? Or all DVD other than first one is optional?
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• 355[02:09:55] <markybob> kcirick: you dont need them. you can use netinst and it'll download what it needs. or just use dvd1. you dont need the other images
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• 358[02:10:19] <markybob> kcirick: those wont come with firmware, btw. unless you go to the unofficial firmware link i gave you
• 359[02:10:33] <kcirick> markybob: thanks... what about the CD images? just the first CD? Sorry the less I have to download the better... netinstall won't work because I only have wifi
• 360[02:10:58] <calebwill> kcirick: if you don't use the firmware iso that markybob linked to and want to use wifi, you should check this chapter of the install manual: replaced-url
• 361[02:11:03] <markybob> kcirick: did you try the firmware netinst i just linked you to? no.
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• 364[02:11:37] <kcirick> markybob: no I haven't tried yet. I'm sure that would work though
• 365[02:11:41] <calebwill> kcirick: wifi will work during in the installer as long as it's a wifi card that doesn't need firmware, or that has a firmware available on that ISO (which is most of them.. some broadcoms not included)
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• 372[02:16:20] <kcirick> I have my partion set to /boot /home and /, where /boot and /home will be shared with the current linux I'm using. I think this is pretty standard setup so I shouldn't run into problems right?
• 373[02:17:01] <markybob> kcirick: that's not standard at all
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• 376[02:17:10] <kcirick> markybob: oh...
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• 378[02:17:25] <markybob> kcirick: you will run into problems. probably wont even boot
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• 380[02:17:57] <markybob> well one will. the last one you install. grub is in /boot. cant mix that up. and /home has to do with uid's. that's gonna be messy
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• 382[02:18:17] <kcirick> maybe I didn't explain well, I have /dev/sda1 mounted to /boot, dev/sda2 mounted to /home and /dev/sda3 mounted to /
• 383[02:18:36] <markybob> i don't care. it's the "sharing" that's all wrong
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• 386[02:18:45] <kcirick> markybob: yes, I understand your point
• 387[02:18:51] <kcirick> hm...
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• 390[02:19:33] <calebwill> kcirick: sharing /home isn't so bad if your users have the same UIDs. There might be some conflicts between per-user settings for various programs though
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• 392[02:20:24] <kcirick> calebwill: sharing /home was my initial thought process for residing on a separate partition... I didn't think of the fact that different distros use different uids
• 393[02:21:01] <markybob> calebwill: and different versions of programs. thus different config files for said programs. trouble
• 394[02:21:19] <markybob> kcirick: ^
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• 397[02:22:08] <kcirick> markybob: what about the /boot? whenever you install an OS it will install a fresher grub on it right?
• 398[02:22:30] <markybob> kcirick: yeah. sharing boot will not happen. that's crazy talk
• 399[02:23:18] <kcirick> markybob: this is my personal computer... I only have one user on /home... all I have to do is make sure I have the same uid for that one account (me)
• 400[02:24:12] <markybob> possible different config formats due to different versions went in one ear and out the other, huh?
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• 403[02:24:41] <kcirick> markybob: it went in one ear, considered it, havent decided how much of an issue that's going to cause
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• 405[02:25:03] <markybob> kcirick: okay. enjoy.
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• 408[02:26:03] <kcirick> markybob: I'm looking for suggestions. Do you suggest to scrap the /home partition, and move everything in there to the new /home directory that wil be on the same partition as root?
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• 410[02:27:06] <kcirick> markybob: I'm not ignoring any of your comments. I'm considering everything you've said so far, and I appreciate all information you've given me so far
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• 412[02:27:19] <markybob> kcirick: i suggest that between different distros you keep everything divided. if it was two debian's that'd be one thing, sure share home.
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• 415[02:27:56] <kcirick> markybob: got it
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• 423[02:30:25] <aphorise> Any recommended reading material on downsizing a default jessie net install ?
• 424[02:30:58] <aphorise> Looking to go down from current 2Gbytes
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• 427[02:32:12] <petemc> A standard installation for the amd64 architecture, including all standard packages and using the default kernel, takes up 822MB of disk space.
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• 431[02:34:07] <aphorise> petemc are there apt file or caches I can remove - looking for a way to compact a base image as much as possible.
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• 433[02:35:20] <internat> apt-cache clean?
• 434[02:35:46] <LtL> apt-get clean
• 435[02:36:00] <internat> yeah sorry that one
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• 438[02:36:18] <LtL> and apt-get autoremove
• 439[02:36:38] <LtL> the latter scares me sometimes
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• 441[02:37:22] <calebwill> aphorise: what will the system be used for?
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• 453[02:41:33] <kcirick> markybob: would getting a live install CD be another way to go without having to install the whole DVD collection?
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• 456[02:42:21] <calebwill> kcirick: debian live doesn't support booting from UEFI at this point, so if you need/want that use a regular installer image
• 457[02:42:32] <LtL> kcirick: you only need cd1 or dvd1
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• 459[02:43:36] <kcirick> LtL: is there a list somewhere of what packages comes in cd1?
• 460[02:43:44] <kcirick> calebwill: thanks for that info! good to know
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• 462[02:44:22] <calebwill> !cd contents
• 463[02:44:22] <dpkg> To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at replaced-url
• 464[02:44:33] <LtL> kcirick: mount it on another computer and look. there may be a contents file on the repo, not sure
• 465[02:44:57] <LtL> i love that bot
• 466[02:45:02] <kcirick> dpkg: thank you
• 467[02:45:02] <dpkg> my pleasure, kcirick
• 468[02:45:14] <kcirick> oh that's a bot ...
• 469[02:45:24] <LtL> dpkg: hush
• 470[02:45:24] <dpkg> Fine, I'll shut up.
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• 473[02:45:45] <calebwill> kcirick: are you in linux now? "lspci -nn | grep -i net" will help us figure out if you'll have firmware problems with your wifi
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• 475[02:46:40] <kcirick> calebwill: 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 [8086:08b3] (rev 83)
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• 483[02:48:21] <calebwill> judd: pciid 8086:08b3
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• 485[02:48:22] <judd> [8086:08b3] is 'Wireless 3160' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 487[02:49:01] <calebwill> kcirick: i bet that will work with the firmware installer, or if you put the firmwares on a separate stick following the instructions here: replaced-url
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• 490[02:50:17] <kcirick> calebwill: I got the linux firmware from replaced-url
• 491[02:50:42] <calebwill> kcirick: you don't need that, use the link in the documentation i linked to
• 492[02:51:05] <markybob> or the iso i linked you to forever ago
• 493[02:51:09] <markybob> mine's easier
• 494[02:51:20] <calebwill> that iso is also linked to in the documentation ^^
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• 497[02:52:29] <kcirick> I'm trying to understand the lingo... what's non-free?
• 498[02:52:51] <kcirick> I also don't like the word "unofficial"
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• 501[02:53:22] <calebwill> kcirick: non-free are packages not part of Debian officially because they do not meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines
• 502[02:53:33] <markybob> !non-free
• 503[02:53:34] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
• 504[02:53:40] <markybob> !dfsg
• 505[02:53:40] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
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• 507[02:53:59] <calebwill> kcirick: Debian itself is in the "main" section of the repos. There are also "contrib" and "non-free" that can optionally be enabled
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• 511[02:55:00] <kcirick> that's where I'm starting to lose when trying to understand debian... all the licensing and repos... Maybe it'll come clearer when I start using it
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• 517[02:57:33] <calebwill> kcirick: some people want to use Debian with only free software, they just use "main". Others want/need firmwares or to use Adobe Flash, they enable contrib and non-free
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• 520[02:58:53] <kcirick> I think I'm ready to just dive in and get messy... If i get stuck you'll be around right? ;-)
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• 522[02:59:32] <calebwill> someone will be
• 523[02:59:40] <markybob> kcirick: what's the exact url to the iso you downloaded?
• 524[02:59:46] <kcirick> also, debian 8.5 is still gcc 4.9?
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• 527[03:00:11] <kcirick> markybob: haven't downloaded yet, but will download just CD1
• 528[03:00:12] <markybob> kcirick: yes
• 529[03:00:21] <markybob> kcirick: yeah. i still want the full url
• 530[03:00:47] <kcirick> replaced-url
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• 532[03:01:06] <kcirick> markybob: was fetching the address for you
• 533[03:01:09] <markybob> kcirick: so you're not using firmware cd1 so your wifi will work
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• 538[03:01:23] <kcirick> markybob: I thought the firmware thing was only for netinstall?
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• 540[03:02:13] <calebwill> kcirick: you can use CD1 if you want, you just need to put the firmwares on a separate USB stick like described in replaced-url
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• 542[03:02:32] <calebwill> the advantage of the firmware ISO is it already has them on the ISO (none of the others do)
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• 562[03:06:34] <kcirick> calebwill: I remember I need firmware for my graphics card too
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• 564[03:07:18] <calebwill> kcirick: you can install that after the first boot
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• 570[03:08:38] <kcirick> is it possible for any modern systems to not have a firmware in one way or another? I feel like all the systems I owned I had to do some firmware things
• 571[03:09:00] <LtL> kcirick: gcc 4.9 in jessie 8.5
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• 573[03:10:04] <kcirick> LtL: I guess that's okay? currently I have 5.3.0 and Arch is now up to 6.1...
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• 577[03:10:39] <calebwill> kcirick: using Debian Stable means using the same version of everything for 2 or 3 years at a time (which some exceptions)
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• 580[03:11:16] <calebwill> but it also means you only have to deal with new versions every couple of years
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• 585[03:11:45] <kcirick> calebwill: but I assume there are patches available when security update comes along?
• 586[03:11:59] <calebwill> kcirick: yes of course
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• 589[03:12:49] <calher> calebwill: It's weird seeing my name all the time.
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• 591[03:13:42] <kcirick> and when is EOL for jessie?
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• 597[03:16:08] <kcirick> got it replaced-url
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• 600[03:18:21] <calebwill> calher: heh sorry. I picked this nick from the book by William Godwin
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• 618[03:24:48] <vvande> On Debian 7, is there an easy way to stop the screen from going black?
• 619[03:25:05] <petemc> no
• 620[03:25:37] <petemc> sorry, yes
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• 624[03:26:22] <dvs> maybe?
• 625[03:26:28] <petemc> perhaps
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• 627[03:26:55] <dvs> I don't know... can you repeat the question. ;-)
• 628[03:27:02] <epsilon> probably
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• 630[03:27:19] <petemc> its an ecumenical matter
• 631[03:27:19] <kcirick> distrowatch review on jessie: "really seems much better suited for use on servers than desktop computers"
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• 633[03:27:36] <Lewoco> Why are there no 'unstable' security updates?: replaced-url
• 634[03:27:37] <kcirick> just ignore and use it as a desktop? :-D
• 635[03:27:43] <Arahael> what's a current, good, cheap but possibly slow cloud service these days? for essentially personal use.
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• 638[03:27:56] <LtL> kcirick: yup
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• 642[03:27:59] <Arahael> amazon ec2 looks reasonable?
• 643[03:28:04] <calebwill> kcirick: i use Jessie on my laptop and it works great. the most difficult hurdle is dealing with firmware in the install, and you know how to do it :)
• 644[03:28:14] * dvs misses "Malcolm in the Middle"
• 645[03:28:20] <kcirick> calebwill: thanks to you!
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• 650[03:29:28] <kcirick> ok wish me luck... if I return, it's either because I failed or because I'm on debian :-)
• 651[03:29:38] <kcirick> cheers
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• 656[03:30:38] <vvande> I turned off screen blanking on one Debian 7 machine which has a KDE desktop, but one with Gnome seems to always go off. The menu item has max 1 hour on. I want it to stay on.
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• 661[03:31:36] <LtL> vvande: gnome-tweak-tool can fix that, or it might be in power settings
• 662[03:32:01] <vvande> LtL: thanks, I check out both.
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• 665[03:32:49] <SpikeSpiegel> hey there i have a question. does one of either microsoft or google use a debian based server in their cloud?
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• 667[03:32:53] <SpikeSpiegel> i heard something like that
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• 670[03:33:43] <Arahael> SpikeSpiegel: possibly. i'm sure they have a debian option.
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• 674[03:34:17] <markybob> SpikeSpiegel: they use their own custom based debian for their servers
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• 679[03:34:51] <markybob> SpikeSpiegel: they being google.
• 680[03:34:52] <SpikeSpiegel> markybob, whos they? ms or google?
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• 682[03:34:55] <SpikeSpiegel> ah ok
• 683[03:35:13] <SpikeSpiegel> markybob, do you think microsoft company are stingy and just use windows servers in all their systems?
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• 685[03:35:52] <LtL> vvande: in power settings, dim screen = never
• 686[03:35:57] <markybob> SpikeSpiegel: they have to have linux somewhere. they release linux tools (skype). i don't know or give two shits what they do/use though
• 687[03:36:10] <SpikeSpiegel> ah i see
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• 690[03:36:33] <SpikeSpiegel> markybob, Arahael nah was just curious. because i see this trio and i wonder if apple only uses apple or lowkey uses linux somewhere in there etc
• 691[03:36:54] <Arahael> SpikeSpiegel: ms uses freebsd and windows i think, primarily.
• 692[03:37:13] <Arahael> SpikeSpiegel: but there is very little reason for ms not to use windows.
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• 694[03:38:01] <vvande> LtL: Thaks for the suggestion. However, there is no "dim screen" setting in the power setting menu. Perhaps on a different version.
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• 696[03:38:15] * Arahael discovers digital ocean.
• 697[03:39:04] <SpikeSpiegel> Arahael, well i think linux is the better choice in servers because they have better uptime and more minimal
• 698[03:39:05] <LtL> vvande: search 'power' its there
• 699[03:39:17] <Arahael> a pathetic 99.99% uptime... but reasonable enough for me.
• 700[03:39:26] <vvande> in Debian 7? _ I'll look again.
• 701[03:39:41] <LtL> vvande: this is v8
• 702[03:39:52] <LtL> vvande: sorry
• 703[03:39:54] <Arahael> SpikeSpiegel: i would question that, in the hands of an expert.
• 704[03:40:05] <markybob> Arahael: they're cheap for a reason. last i checked you couldn't change your kernel. i need a real vps
• 705[03:40:33] <Arahael> SpikeSpiegel: remember, being ms, they have absolute full control and understanding of heir own OS. that has to be significant.
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• 707[03:40:52] <vvande> LtL: I tried once before and it seems like that was one of the changes between 7 and 8. I'm asking here because it occured to me that I could do this in some configration file.
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• 711[03:41:14] <Arahael> markybob: not being able to change the kernel isn't a limitation for me.
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• 715[03:41:49] <owlr> why mounting a partition with -o rw always modified it? checksum is modified everytime.. while doing the same with -o ro does not affect the partition?
• 716[03:41:54] <de-facto> guys when i want to rsync a root fs over ssh and 1.2.3.4 is my source, would i run "rsync -aHAXv root@1.2.3.4:/mnt/root/* /mnt/root" on the destination to clone those (both offline live cd)?
• 717[03:42:01] <SpikeSpiegel> Arahael, true
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• 719[03:42:29] <Arahael> markybob: i do notice, however, hat they have no S3 service or the like.
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• 723[03:43:44] <SpikeSpiegel> anyway Arahael and markybob thanks for the answers :)
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• 725[03:43:58] <Arahael> markybob: i would prefer to spend less than ~$10 for many GB of storage and the ability tp serve files and run weechat+tmux+ssh
• 726[03:44:07] <owlr> hello, anyone knows why mounting an ext4 partition with -o rw always modifies it? checksum is modified everytime.. while doing the same with -o ro does not affect the partition
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• 730[03:45:42] <Arahael> owlr: maybe it checks and applies the journal?
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• 733[03:46:52] <owlr> maybe! how to read the journal information?
• 734[03:46:53] * Arahael supposes he could use digitalocean + aws for s3 or google cloud.
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• 738[03:47:30] <Arahael> owlr: just create a partition without a journal and see.
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• 743[03:51:00] <paperd> How can I find out which package, if any, provides the file libpixbufloader-xcf.so
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• 746[03:52:17] <irn4l> hi
• 747[03:52:26] <irn4l> so you guys work hard to have high quality stuff?
• 748[03:52:38] <irn4l> those that hard work get payed only by donations or what?
• 749[03:53:57] <paperd> irn4l: We try to have high quality stuff, yes.
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• 751[03:54:26] <calebwill> paperd: replaced-url
• 752[03:54:28] <paperd> I don't think there are a lot of people concerned with getting paid working on debian.
• 753[03:54:33] <irn4l> so you dont work hard?
• 754[03:54:49] <paperd> I don't work hard on debian, no. Other people do.
• 755[03:54:54] <paperd> Debian makes my work easy ;)
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• 757[03:55:51] <irn4l> cant see how, linux kernel dont achieve any other operating system performance
• 758[03:55:55] <calebwill> irn4l: hello. do you have a Debian support question?
• 759[03:56:18] <irn4l> yes i was wondering how people get payed to work hard on debian
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• 761[03:56:22] <irn4l> and if it dont get payed
• 762[03:56:31] <irn4l> how it is possible to work hard and not have any income
• 763[03:56:50] <irn4l> do i need any special requirement
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• 766[03:57:04] <irn4l> like beeing born in a golden nest to study debian or what?
• 767[03:57:08] <paperd> Yes, you need to know someone who is willing to pay you to work on debian.
• 768[03:57:16] <paperd> Then you'll get paid.
• 769[03:57:33] <irn4l> and that someone, what he do?
• 770[03:57:34] <calebwill> irn4l: Debian is not-for-profit. Many of the package maintainers and developers contribute to Debian in their spare time, or as part of their jobs where they use Debian.
• 771[03:57:58] <calebwill> irn4l: this is more a conversation for #debian-offtopic, this channel is primarily for tech support
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• 773[03:58:22] <awwal> I have fvwm session right now running in tty7 but I wanna run another openbox session in tty8. What I have to do exactly?
• 774[03:58:39] <irn4l> so if its made just by people in their spare time how can you say you try to have high quality stuff?
• 775[03:58:57] <paperd> log into tty8 and startx & openbox, awwal
• 776[03:59:19] <irn4l> ok guys thank you i got it
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• 778[03:59:48] <paperd> If you're going to try and troll, you could at least do it well.
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• 783[04:00:18] <irn4l> troll? im trying to understand, it gets hard when 2 experts say opposite things
• 784[04:00:22] <awwal> xinit -- :1 and what more I have to add to that command for launch openbox not another fvwm session (bcox I set fvwm as default x manager in xinitrc) ?
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• 786[04:00:56] <irn4l> probably is so much shit to hide that we forget to tell everybody to tell the same lie
• 787[04:00:57] <awwal> paperd, no login prompt in tty8
• 788[04:01:20] <awwal> as is the usual
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• 793[04:04:10] <paperd> awwal: use another tty.
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• 795[04:04:28] <paperd> awwal: to start openbox, you can configure it in your ~/.xinit
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• 797[04:04:50] <paperd> irn4l: you're not making a lot of sense.
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• 799[04:05:26] <irn4l> ok i said that cause
• 800[04:05:37] <irn4l> debian should pay his users and sell eye candy
• 801[04:05:49] <irn4l> in fact
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• 803[04:06:02] <irn4l> it was nice that debian and all other distros made a single linux like that
• 804[04:06:07] <irn4l> that could compete with mac
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• 806[04:06:16] <awwal> paperd, got it to work "startx /usr/bin/openbox-session" but wanted to use tty8 :P
• 807[04:06:33] <irn4l> so, gather around with all others and do it!
• 808[04:06:35] <paperd> awwal: awesome, glad it is working
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• 810[04:06:58] <paperd> irn4l: I don't think anyone in "linux" is worried about competing with a Mac.
• 811[04:07:07] <vvande> exactly
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• 813[04:07:40] <paperd> nor do I ever think there will be one distribution of linux that everyone works on.
• 814[04:07:52] <irn4l> is anyone in linux worried that his work could return a bit more fair and balanced income?
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• 816[04:07:53] <vvande> let's hope so
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• 818[04:08:19] <irn4l> or just knowing you can setup a good machine for yourself is enough?
• 819[04:08:25] <paperd> irn4l: you either get paid to work on linux, or you do it because you love it.
• 820[04:08:42] <paperd> either way people are OK with it in general, I'd think, or they'd do something else.
• 821[04:08:48] <markybob> irn4l: and you were already told this was offtopic and where to take it. this is for support *only*
• 822[04:08:55] <markybob> irn4l: please move on
• 823[04:08:58] <irn4l> so you use the excuse of love for not giving money for the ones that work for love?
• 824[04:09:04] <irn4l> they work for love they dont ened money?
• 825[04:09:15] <vvande> there's #debian-offtopic
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• 827[04:09:37] <irn4l> ok ok i get it
• 828[04:09:53] <irn4l> cry to suck methodology
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• 831[04:10:07] <paperd> lmao
• 832[04:10:13] <vvande> irn4l: lots of places use Linux and pay employees. Like the London Stock Exchange.
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• 834[04:10:32] <irn4l> yeah corporation had a different contract
• 835[04:10:32] <irn4l> like
• 836[04:10:56] <irn4l> an instituition that gona use linux maybe could pay
• 837[04:11:11] <irn4l> since dont affect the freedom all linux ideology applies and requires
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• 839[04:11:29] <markybob> irn4l: you're going on ignore. why cant you listen and go to #debian-offtopic?
• 840[04:11:40] <irn4l> what is important in linux is that everybody can have access to kowledge and same oportunities
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• 842[04:11:41] <irn4l> people
• 843[04:11:49] * awwal wondering if "startx" in tty1 for launch fvwm session (default) and "startx /usr/bin/openbox-session" in tty2 is the nice way for run 2 X sessions with same user
• 844[04:11:50] <irn4l> corporation dont lack oportunities entiher knowledge
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• 846[04:12:21] <paperd> awwal: that should work, if that's the way you want to do it.
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• 851[04:15:04] <awwal> paperd, thats how I do it yes, yet before I asked but googling I have seen the option xinit --:1 or startx --:1 but I dont get it to work :P
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• 855[04:15:40] <irn4l> ok please last question
• 856[04:15:41] <irn4l> guys
• 857[04:15:58] <irn4l> why tha fuck do an enterprise need to have and operating system for free?
• 858[04:16:01] <irn4l> please answer
• 859[04:16:18] <markybob> irn4l: is this debian support related? no. take it to #debian-offtopic
• 860[04:16:59] <irn4l> i will leave if you wish after the answer, but tell me your thoughts about this markybob
• 861[04:17:34] <irn4l> guys sell eye candy and enterprise editions
• 862[04:17:35] <markybob> irn4l: so i can break the rules like you? no. read the /topic. anything else, #debian-offtopic will answer you there
• 863[04:17:37] <irn4l> pay users
• 864[04:17:43] <irn4l> all distros, one linux
• 865[04:17:48] <irn4l> better then mac
• 866[04:17:54] <irn4l> all people gona use it
• 867[04:17:57] <irn4l> all gona get payed
• 868[04:18:00] <paperd> irn4l: I think it is your responsibility to unite everyone.
• 869[04:18:04] <paperd> Godspeed.
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• 893[04:27:53] <irn4l> dude
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• 895[04:27:56] <irn4l> i cant
• 896[04:28:20] <irn4l> you guys have to give the first step
• 897[04:29:38] <irn4l> if biger distributions talk with smaller ones
• 898[04:29:40] <irn4l> they wont refuse
• 899[04:29:51] <irn4l> a single unique linux
• 900[04:30:17] <irn4l> all income distributed equaly fairly and balanced between coders, with a biggest share
• 901[04:30:24] <irn4l> designers with a medium share
• 902[04:30:30] <irn4l> and users with the smallest share
• 903[04:30:42] <paperd> fair & balanced pay tiers? lol.
• 904[04:30:47] <irn4l> yup
• 905[04:30:57] <paperd> users are going to pay other users??
• 906[04:30:58] <irn4l> for example
• 907[04:30:59] <paperd> hilarious.
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• 909[04:31:05] <markybob> please ignore the troll
• 910[04:31:09] <irn4l> all use linux, and get payed
• 911[04:31:18] <irn4l> if you contribute to the code
• 912[04:31:24] <irn4l> you receive the other tier
• 913[04:31:28] <markybob> ops have been alerted. wont be too long.
• 914[04:31:35] <irn4l> if you jsut contribute with stuff to sell
• 915[04:31:37] <irn4l> like themes
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• 917[04:31:51] <irn4l> you get a medium share
• 918[04:31:55] <irn4l> cause sometimes
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• 920[04:32:05] <irn4l> its hard to have stuff jsut to sell
• 921[04:32:10] <irn4l> is a problem
• 922[04:32:20] <irn4l> so if we pay artist to make like eye candy to sell
• 923[04:32:28] <irn4l> we had bunch of stuff to sell
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• 925[04:32:46] <paperd> what if we just made a phone.
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• 927[04:32:51] <paperd> an internet phone!
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• 929[04:32:58] <irn4l> done
• 930[04:33:00] <paperd> we'd all be rich
• 931[04:33:15] <irn4l> lol
• 932[04:33:19] <irn4l> how so?
• 933[04:33:22] <markybob> paperd: please just ignore. dont feed the troll
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• 935[04:33:33] <kcirick> just installed debian... running xfce, but there is a huge lag when moving windows around
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• 937[04:33:52] <irn4l> just think about it guys
• 938[04:34:38] <irn4l> an unique linux operating system with all functionalities for free, with a single theme abckground and color
• 939[04:34:48] <irn4l> if you want background green, pay
• 940[04:34:50] <paperd> kcirick: do you have the correct video drivers installed?
• 941[04:34:57] <z8z> debian switched from iceweasel to firefox? what happened?
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• 944[04:35:26] <markybob> z8z: yes. mozilla came to their senses with regards to the licensing problem
• 945[04:36:17] <z8z> markybob: oh finally
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• 948[04:36:48] <kcirick> paperd, I have intel, how can I check if xorg is using that driver?
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• 950[04:37:05] <avis-> kcirick, try google kernel mode parameters for your video card to cure lag or somesuch on a live cd or otherwise working internet connection/working system
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• 956[04:38:27] <irn4l> hardware manufacturer support dificulties?
• 957[04:38:39] <kcirick> avis-, kernel mode setting?
• 958[04:38:43] <irn4l> lol, they dont want to compete with mac...
• 959[04:38:45] <irn4l> :P
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• 961[04:39:21] <avis-> kcirick, yes sir. its possible. its the first place i'd look. i had 100% success when video wasn't working using the nonfree iso. i do not know if they have been released for the latest jessie.
• 962[04:39:42] <markybob> they have been. he was linked to it. he didnt use it.
• 963[04:39:56] <avis-> i always pay for all non free stuff
• 964[04:39:59] <kcirick> it says (for i915), from squeeze on no hand modification should be necessary.. but I'm on jessie
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• 971[04:43:32] <paperd> kcirick: squeeze was before jessie, so it should work.
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• 973[04:44:03] <avis-> kcirick, i even tried google myself and didn't find anything blatantly fixing the issue you can and should try yourself if nothing works you never know the nonfree iso might work, is intel though, so that doesn't seem very restricted drivers in any sense so please get confirmation here.
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• 978[04:44:51] <avis-> sometimes if you had a previous installation you have to clean up alot of stuff to ensure future upgrade functionality, not all though, be careful - if at all.
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• 980[04:45:13] <n_blownapart> hi sorry still having this problem : Debian Bug report logs - #727648
• 981[04:45:13] <n_blownapart> gnome-shell: Missing characters and icons on the shell status bar/clock and poor graphics in general
• 982[04:45:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 983[04:45:24] <kcirick> there is no lag on terminals, just gtk apps and chrome (and firefox too)
• 984[04:45:34] <n_blownapart> the graphics are perfect though
• 985[04:45:55] <kcirick> avis-, I just did a fresh install of non-free iso
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• 987[04:46:33] <avis-> i wish i knew what would fix it. have you tried something like nomodeset in kernel parameters as a test ?
• 988[04:46:47] <n_blownapart> sorry marky*bob I haven't resolved this ^
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• 993[04:48:08] <avis-> i915 is not that old so i would think support for it would still be there laggy though -- it might be expected of it. i tried video on a 965g and no youtube.com videos would play on that sucker. bless its heart.
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• 999[04:51:20] <kcirick> just noticed in xorg.log: (WW) intel(0): Unknown chipset
• 1000[04:51:58] <kcirick> does that mean correct module isn't loaded?
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• 1002[04:52:07] <avis-> kcirick, people use lshw and hardinfo to find out hardware info on linux
• 1003[04:52:10] <n_blownapart> judd thanks reading that
• 1004[04:52:32] <n_blownapart> I take it judd is not a bot..?
• 1005[04:52:39] <markybob> n_blownapart: it is a bot
• 1006[04:52:41] <kcirick> avis-, neither of these seems to be installed by default
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• 1008[04:52:48] <avis-> kcirick, i think the operating system fell short of identifying your driver
• 1009[04:53:04] <avis-> or module
• 1010[04:53:06] <markybob> kcirick: for 915 you need firmware. install firmware-misc-nonfree
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• 1013[04:53:12] <markybob> kcirick: once you do that reboot
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• 1016[04:53:25] <CluelessGuy> hello!
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• 1018[04:53:45] <paperd> Hi CluelessGuy
• 1019[04:54:05] <CluelessGuy> < the new guy
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• 1021[04:54:20] <CluelessGuy> just getting into debian to get to know things :)
• 1022[04:54:25] <n_blownapart> dang thanks markybob
• 1023[04:54:26] <CluelessGuy> ppl from ##linux sent me here
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• 1026[04:55:41] <RippyDippy> hey guys. I'm getting a gpg error for replaced-url
• 1027[04:56:09] <paperd> RippyDippy: Did you add the repo key?
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• 1029[04:56:27] <paperd> CluelessGuy: welcome, this is the place for help with debian
• 1030[04:56:30] <RippyDippy> paperd: Tried. Whats the best command for that. I think I went about it wrong
• 1031[04:56:30] <kcirick> markybob, I got "unable to locate package" I have non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1032[04:56:59] <CluelessGuy> paperd thanks! expect a lot of stupid questions :D
• 1033[04:57:01] <paperd> RippyDippy: what's the url to OBS?
• 1034[04:57:03] <kcirick> markybob, deb replaced-url
• 1035[04:57:14] <RippyDippy> paperd: OBS?
• 1036[04:57:24] <calebwill> kcirick: could you please put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on replaced-url
• 1037[04:57:38] <markybob> ,v firmware-misc-nonfree
• 1038[04:57:39] <judd> Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1
• 1039[04:57:43] <markybob> kcirick: ^
• 1040[04:57:46] <paperd> RippyDippy: Open Build Server, which is I assume what is at downloads.opensuse.org
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• 1044[04:58:03] <calebwill> kcirick: also could you please show us "lspci -nn | grep -i VGA"?
• 1045[04:58:12] <markybob> kcirick: that means you need jessie-backports. here are instructions . replaced-url
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• 1047[04:58:25] <RippyDippy> paperd: OH. replaced-url
• 1048[04:58:43] <paperd> RippyDippy: are you trying to download a suse iso?
• 1049[04:58:52] <calebwill> kcirick: markybob: did we check for firmware errors in "dmesg | grep -i firmware"?
• 1050[04:59:20] <RippyDippy> paperd: No. I might be there from a while ago, but I can't update because of those errors. Not sure if I should just remove it or not
• 1051[04:59:28] <markybob> i'm going to bed.
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• 1053[04:59:33] <kcirick> calebwill, xorg.log: replaced-url
• 1054[05:00:42] <kcirick> calebwill, lspci -nn | grep -i VGA: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics [8086:1616] (rev 09)
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• 1056[05:01:07] <paperd> RippyDippy: what's the address in the error?
• 1057[05:01:28] <RippyDippy> paperd: replaced-url
• 1058[05:01:36] <RippyDippy> paperd: I feel like were not getting anywhere hahaha
• 1059[05:01:49] <paperd> RippyDippy: what did you try and install from that address?
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• 1062[05:02:05] <kcirick> calebwill, there is only firmware loading for iwlwifi and r8169 in dmesg
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• 1064[05:02:29] <calebwill> kcirick: you may need a newer linux-image-amd64 (kernel) and xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports
• 1065[05:02:36] <RippyDippy> paperd: Nothing. I was trying to update minding my own business. Bang. GPG error. Again, it is probably remaining from an old whatever.
• 1066[05:02:44] <calebwill> !tell kcirick about bdo kernel
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• 1068[05:03:13] <calebwill> kcirick: see the message from dpkg and also replaced-url
• 1069[05:03:20] <RippyDippy> paperd: More or less trying to get past it, whether it be update the key, or remove the repo (because I dont think I have anythink depending on it that I care about)
• 1070[05:03:44] <kcirick> calebwill, markybob sent me to it already... looks like the needed firmware isn't installed on my system
• 1071[05:03:57] <n_blownapart> calebwill, could you look at this? I just randomly tried your suggestion above 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' replaced-url
• 1072[05:04:10] <paperd> RippyDippy: you're running Debian, right?
• 1073[05:04:19] <RippyDippy> paperd: hahah yes.
• 1074[05:04:34] <calebwill> kcirick: you might not need firmwares.. maybe if the newer kernel and intel driver need them.
• 1075[05:04:38] <paperd> RippyDippy: in a terminal, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 1077[05:04:57] <paperd> RippyDippy: if you see that opensuse url in the output, then edit the file and comment out that repo.
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• 1079[05:05:21] <paperd> RippyDippy: Though I'm not sure why you'd have that, as that is the url to just download OpenSuse ISOs.
• 1080[05:05:21] <calebwill> n_blownapart: that looks like firmwares successfully loaded. it was be an error about firmwares not found if there were a problem
• 1081[05:05:21] <n_blownapart> anyone take a look for a noob here? replaced-url
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• 1084[05:05:32] <RippyDippy> paperd: Already have it open. I commented them out already. When I go to update, it's still looking in that direction
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• 1086[05:05:42] <n_blownapart> thanks calebwill !
• 1087[05:05:52] <kcirick> calebwill, currently I am on kernel 3.16.0
• 1088[05:05:59] <RippyDippy> paperd: Does this warrent a reboot?
• 1089[05:05:59] <paperd> RippyDippy: did you save the file?
• 1090[05:06:05] <paperd> RippyDippy: it shouldn't.
• 1091[05:06:13] <RippyDippy> paperd: Yes.... I saved the file
• 1092[05:06:18] <n_blownapart> I have this problem with missing characters in the desktop, clock etc ... calebwill any possible culprits?
• 1093[05:06:33] <paperd> RippyDippy: there is the folder /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
• 1094[05:06:50] <paperd> RippyDippy: check in that folder for something opensuse releated. you can remove the file if you don't care about it.
• 1095[05:07:03] <RippyDippy> paperd: bingo
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• 1099[05:07:26] <RippyDippy> paperd: wait. no
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• 1104[05:08:10] <RippyDippy> paperd: its just steam, NodeJS, rethinkDB, and numix. All things that should be there
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• 1107[05:09:30] <kcirick> got backports, but still getting "firmware-misc-nonfree" can't be found
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• 1110[05:10:06] <paperd> RippyDippy: grep suse /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
• 1111[05:10:50] <RippyDippy> paperd: AHH. It was the arc theme
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• 1113[05:11:11] <RippyDippy> paperd: So I do need it. How do I go about updating the public key then.
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• 1116[05:12:45] <paperd> RippyDippy: The instructions are on the page at replaced-url
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• 1118[05:13:17] <paperd> RippyDippy: wget replaced-url
• 1119[05:14:06] <themill> because downloading the key over an unencrypted connection and not checking it is clearly the right move
• 1120[05:14:20] <RippyDippy> paperd: We have a winner. Thanks for the help
• 1121[05:14:32] <RippyDippy> paperd: Thats a handy grep trick
• 1122[05:14:46] <RippyDippy> paperd: We have a winner. Thanks for the help
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• 1124[05:15:05] <paperd> RippyDippy: you're welcome. knowing how to use the CLI tools is good knowledge to have ;)
• 1125[05:15:24] <lostpacket> o/
• 1126[05:15:41] <RippyDippy> paperd: Trust me, after a 1.5 years linux fulltime. I can't learn enough.
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• 1130[05:16:17] <calebwill> kcirick: only install firmware-misc-nonfree if you having missing firmware errors in dmesg after booting with the new kernel and video driver
• 1131[05:16:17] <RippyDippy> paperd: Say.. You wouldn't know a good way to screen cap video and turn it into a highquality gif would you? I've tried a few things but the gifs look like ass near the end
• 1132[05:16:46] <themill> There's no such thing as a high quality gif, that would be part of the problem
• 1133[05:17:01] <kcirick> calebwill, ok, but I still can't find firmware-misc-nonfree, i searched on packages.debian.org
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• 1135[05:17:49] <calebwill> kcirick: have you established that you need this package?
• 1136[05:18:28] <kcirick> calebwill, no.. like you said, I'm going to reboot first to see if I see the error in dmesg... but I want to make sure I know the next step if that happens
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• 1138[05:18:48] <calebwill> kcirick: you did not have any errors about missing firmware related to your GPU. Did you install newer kernel and video driver from jessie-backports?
• 1139[05:18:50] <paperd> RippyDippy: I think ffmpeg will make a gif
• 1140[05:19:00] <kcirick> calebwill, yes
• 1141[05:19:06] <kcirick> but havent rebooted yet
• 1142[05:19:18] <calebwill> kcirick: hopefully they improve video performance after you restart
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• 1144[05:19:35] <paperd> RippyDippy: but you should use something like youtube-dl to grab the video first, then change it to gif. I wouldn't want to literally try and take screenshots.
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• 1147[05:19:52] <kcirick> calebwill, On my other system, I was running 4.4.8 and had no lag issue, so hopefully this will do it :-)
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• 1149[05:20:03] <kcirick> brb... going to reboot
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• 1154[05:24:39] <RippyDippy> paperd: Originally, I forget what I was using, but it was screencap mp4 -> gif -> optimized gif that actually made it worse
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• 1159[05:26:29] <kcirick> calebwill, so new intel xorg driver did it for me... the kernel update wasnt necessary
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• 1161[05:26:57] <kcirick> calebwill, Im back on 3.16.0. On the new 4.5.0, dmesg complained about missing firmware
• 1162[05:27:10] <kcirick> calebwill, for the wireless, so i had no internet
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• 1164[05:29:31] <paperd> RippyDippy: like literally take a screen capture with the print screen key?
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• 1168[05:32:27] <RippyDippy> paperd: No screencap like video capture
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• 1170[05:34:32] <paperd> RippyDippy: Ah, ok. Take a look at youtube-dl, it is pretty awesome and supports many sites.
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• 1174[05:37:19] <mijofa> I fucked up, I just formatted my full /home ext3 partition with a fresh ext3 filesystem, any chance I can recover things
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• 1176[05:40:19] <zanshin_> brew prune
• 1177[05:40:23] <zanshin_> ww
• 1178[05:40:42] <peterrooney> mijofa: file carving may find a few things, but don't hold your breath.
• 1179[05:40:57] <a1> mijofa, replaced-url
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• 1181[05:41:43] <babilen> dpkg: what to backup
• 1182[05:41:43] <dpkg> Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/replaced-url
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• 1186[05:43:50] <mijofa> Thanks
• 1187[05:44:08] <mijofa> It's a personal computer that didn't have much backed up. :/
• 1188[05:44:11] <mijofa> I really fucked up
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• 1193[05:45:42] <caterfxo> mijofa_ if you only overwrote a new FS, and avoided rewriting every sector with something like /dev/null or /dev/urandom, a lot of the data will still be on disk.
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• 1195[05:46:28] <caterfxo> i havent used any of those programs, mysef, tho. sorrys
• 1196[05:46:34] <mijofa> Yeah, didn't write to every sector, so if I can just recreate the ext superblock is should be recoverable, looking into tools to do that
• 1197[05:46:53] <caterfxo> right on
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• 1222[06:01:14] <torpet> hi everyone, today i upgraded my debian 8 installation and now firefox-esr got installed
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• 1224[06:01:22] <torpet> but i also had firefox from mozilla.debian.net installed
• 1225[06:01:34] <emma|offline> ESR is just iceweasel, no?
• 1226[06:01:40] * emma|offline pulls up debian 8 in her VM
• 1227[06:01:53] <torpet> now when i open regular firefox, it shows version 47, but the gnome title says firefox esr
• 1228[06:02:23] <torpet> for some reason also a new icon spawns: replaced-url
• 1229[06:02:41] <torpet> the reaosn for that is probably that /usr/bin/firefox is a shellscript that calls /usr/bin/firefox.real
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• 1231[06:02:50] <torpet> any idea how to use dpkg-divert to fix that?
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• 1234[06:05:31] <themill> torpet: you could just remove the one you don't want
• 1235[06:05:37] <calebwill> torpet: you can right-click on icons in that bar and "remove from favourites".
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• 1246[06:15:06] <torpet> i know
• 1247[06:15:14] <torpet> but there is a new icon popping up
• 1248[06:15:21] <torpet> because the shell scripts diverts to another binary
• 1249[06:15:27] <torpet> than the one called by the .desktop file
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• 1251[06:15:32] <torpet> and i cant remove firefox-esr
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• 1254[06:15:40] <torpet> because it is a dependency of gnome-core
• 1255[06:16:03] <jair> has anyone found the solution for this Google issue: replaced-url
• 1256[06:16:14] <jair> it is really annoying because I don't understand if is a security issue, or just cosmetic
• 1257[06:16:25] <pingfloyd> it's a security issue
• 1258[06:16:35] <pingfloyd> sha-1 is cryptographically weak
• 1259[06:16:54] <calebwill> torpet: gnome-core is only a meta-package, it will not remove software. removing gnome-core could mean that apt-get will suggest several candidates for autoremoval, but you can mark them as manually installed
• 1260[06:17:09] <torpet> it will also remove gnome
• 1261[06:17:25] <pingfloyd> jair: tell google to get with the program
• 1262[06:17:25] <torpet> sudo apt-get purge firefox-esr
• 1263[06:17:34] <torpet> The following packages will be REMOVED:
• 1264[06:17:34] <torpet> firefox-esr* firefox-esr-l10n-de* gnome* gnome-core* iceweasel*
• 1265[06:17:34] <torpet> iceweasel-l10n-de* task-gnome-desktop*
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• 1267[06:18:04] <pingfloyd> gnome-core is a meta-package
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• 1269[06:18:26] <pingfloyd> if you want to keep gnome-core and its dependent packages, mark it as manually installed
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• 1271[06:18:50] <pingfloyd> you can change that with apt-mark
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• 1273[06:19:19] <pingfloyd> apt-mark manual gnome-core then try again
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• 1275[06:19:53] <torpet> gnome-core depends on firefox-esr
• 1276[06:19:59] <torpet> i dont see how that matters
• 1277[06:20:14] <torpet> if i uninstall firefox-esr, gnome-core is being renderes useless
• 1278[06:20:17] <pingfloyd> then you have to remove gnome-core and mark what gnome-core depends on as manual that you want to keep
• 1279[06:20:20] <torpet> setting it to manually installed won't change that
• 1280[06:20:45] <malf> Anyone else on testing getting messages like this after an aptitude update?
• 1281[06:20:45] <malf> E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_contrib_i18n_Translation-en.IndexDiff - open (2: No such file or directory)
• 1282[06:20:45] <malf> E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_non-free_i18n_Translation-en.IndexDiff - open (2: No such file or directory)
• 1283[06:21:13] <malf> I don't see anything like that with an apt-get update
• 1284[06:21:32] <calebwill> torpet: the gnome-core and gnome packages don't have anything in them, they just depend on the packages that make up a GNOME desktop. You can mark their dependencies as manually installed and still remove the meta-packages
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• 1289[06:25:55] <calebwill> torpet: personally i've chosen to use firefox-esr for now because i prefer to keep the meta-packages installed, in case the dependencies change in the next release
• 1290[06:26:33] <calebwill> torpet: the ESR is plenty sufficient for anyone but web developers that need the newer releases
• 1291[06:27:01] <torpet> hm you are right
• 1292[06:27:05] <torpet> i am sticking with esr for now
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• 1294[06:27:21] <torpet> can i downgrade safely or should i create a new profile
• 1295[06:27:44] <calebwill> torpet: backup the profile, give it a try
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• 1297[06:28:20] <calebwill> i had been using firefox from mozilla.debian.net until this update. i also had iceweasel installed but never ran it
• 1298[06:28:33] <pingfloyd> theoretically you profile should be fine since it is in home
• 1299[06:28:49] <pingfloyd> but you have your home backed up right?
• 1300[06:28:50] <calebwill> torpet: so i downgraded from firefox 47 to firefox-esr 45 and my profile seems fine
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• 1302[06:28:54] <pingfloyd> just in case
• 1303[06:29:19] <torpet> syes i have a few days old backup
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• 1305[06:29:45] <pingfloyd> you could always adhoc it for now and cp your profile directory
• 1306[06:30:10] <torpet> why does mozilla.debian.net provide firefox-esr builds for jessie?
• 1307[06:30:23] <torpet> it is in the main repos anyway
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• 1310[06:30:32] <pingfloyd> because mozilla is nice
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• 1312[06:31:20] <calebwill> torpet: i wouldn't be too surprised if firefox and firefox-esr packages start conflicting with each other, but maybe people have a reason for wanting both installed.
• 1313[06:31:22] <pingfloyd> torpet: basically you have quite a few options about which firefox package you want to install
• 1314[06:31:32] <torpet> calebwill: firefox-esr and firefox provided both the same file. something like /usr/lib/mozilla/extension/UUID
• 1315[06:31:40] <torpet> how can two packages provide the same file yet don't have a conflict?
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• 1317[06:32:18] <torpet> i think it was this file: /usr/share/mozilla/extensions/{ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
• 1318[06:32:20] <pingfloyd> with firefox you don't even have to worry about a package anyway
• 1319[06:32:32] <pingfloyd> you can simply extract to /opt
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• 1321[06:33:11] <torpet> yeah i think i'll do that when i feel like trying version 48 with electrolysis
• 1322[06:33:22] <pingfloyd> that's what I do
• 1323[06:33:29] <pingfloyd> that way I get the latest version all the time
• 1324[06:33:39] <pingfloyd> then you can use the built in update to keep it up to date
• 1325[06:34:10] <pingfloyd> the browser is one of the few apps I care about being the latest version
• 1326[06:34:30] <pingfloyd> most of the other stuff, if it works okay, good enough
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• 1329[06:34:49] <calebwill> then it would maybe make sense to keep it in $HOME instead of /opt, but for most Debian users getting Firefox updated with apt is what they want
• 1330[06:35:06] <pingfloyd> calebwill: I use it with more than one user account
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• 1332[06:35:25] <calebwill> pingfloyd: which user updates the software?
• 1333[06:35:26] <xroldx> hello everyone
• 1334[06:35:34] <pingfloyd> calebwill: just run gksudo firefox
• 1335[06:35:37] <pingfloyd> and go to about
• 1336[06:35:42] <pingfloyd> just don't surf around that way
• 1337[06:36:41] <calebwill> pingfloyd: maybe you're comfortable running the browser as root, but not everyone should do that.
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• 1341[06:36:53] <pingfloyd> calebwill: you're afraid to update it?
• 1342[06:37:03] <torpet> calebwill: yeah i am myself quite a package-everyhing nazi
• 1343[06:37:07] <torpet> so that doesn't help
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• 1347[06:37:48] <pingfloyd> calebwill: you'll be fine if you use common sense
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• 1350[06:38:31] <calebwill> pingfloyd: personally i wouldn't do that, and i'd worry about people who do that without discipline or common sense forgetting that the browser is root if they tried that method
• 1351[06:38:51] <pingfloyd> calebwill: well people that do that are always a problem for themselves
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• 1354[06:39:48] <pingfloyd> if that doesn't get them, something else will
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• 1357[06:40:28] <BW^-> what's the easiest way to get Boost 1.56 in stable DEBIAN?
• 1358[06:40:32] <BW^-> build from source and install??
• 1359[06:40:35] <BW^-> manually?
• 1360[06:40:37] <BW^-> it bundles 1.55
• 1361[06:41:12] <torpet> thanks for your help guys
• 1362[06:41:26] <pingfloyd> torpet: no problem
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• 1364[06:42:22] <pingfloyd> calebwill: if you're really worried though, change the ownerships on /opt/firefox to some user you want to run the updates with
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• 1367[06:43:19] <calebwill> pingfloyd: good point, but it's still one more thing to worry about
• 1368[06:43:22] <pingfloyd> or change the group owners and give necessary perms to that group and add the updating user to that group (be creative).
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• 1370[06:44:24] <calebwill> BW^-: how strong is your need for libboost 1.56?
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• 1381[06:53:09] <ryan57> well, I'm out of ideas
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• 1383[06:53:44] <ryan57> can anyone tell me how I managed to include the DEBIAN folder inside a .deb package?
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• 1386[06:56:13] <ryan57> perhaps an image will make this clearer
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• 1388[06:56:16] <ryan57> replaced-url
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• 1390[06:57:32] <ryan57> and it continues to do that, no matter how many times I rebuild it, or check the file manifest of CheckInstall...
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• 1395[07:00:40] <pingfloyd> ryan57: replaced-url
• 1396[07:01:14] <pingfloyd> ryan57: "You should also notice that many template files are created in the source under the debian directory."
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• 1398[07:04:56] <ryan57> pingfloyd: however, these are the control files and directory, which should not be seen or included here
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• 1403[07:07:52] <s4ndm4n> I am getting this error: replaced-url
• 1404[07:08:23] <s4ndm4n> Is there a way to fix this?
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• 1406[07:08:58] <ryan57> pingfloyd: -b, --build directory [archive|directory] Creates a debian archive from the filesystem tree stored in directory. directory must have a DEBIAN subdirectory, which contains the control information files such as the control file itself. This directory will not appear in the binary package's filesystem archive, but instead the files in it will be put in the binary package's control information area.
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• 1408[07:09:36] <ryan57> pingfloyd: replaced-url
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• 1410[07:10:19] <calebwill> s4ndm4n: are the volume groups found after you unlock the encrypted volume?
• 1411[07:10:33] <ryan57> replaced-url
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• 1413[07:11:37] <ryan57> or if you want to take a look at the file itself: replaced-url
• 1414[07:12:28] <s4ndm4n> calebwill: Yes
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• 1416[07:12:52] <calebwill> s4ndm4n: that happens to me too, it's safe to ignore
• 1417[07:13:34] <calebwill> ryan57: do you really need tcl 8.6.5 when 8.6.0 is in jessie?
• 1418[07:14:06] <calebwill> ryan57: you could also try reusing the proper Debian package bits with a newer version of upstream
• 1419[07:14:13] <calebwill> dpkg: tell ryan57 about uupdate
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• 1421[07:15:17] <s4ndm4n> calebwill: Oh. BTW found the relevant bug report I think: replaced-url
• 1422[07:15:43] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1430[07:23:12] <ryan57> calebwill: this is me fixing a larger problem -> CheckInstall
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• 1436[07:25:34] <calebwill> ryan57: sounds like you tried to solve a tcl problem and now you have a checkinstall problem too
• 1437[07:25:44] <winterss> hi caleb
• 1438[07:26:28] <ryan57> calebwill: lol, actually, I'm trying to solve a GCC problem, with some cross-compiling thrown in...
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• 1440[07:28:36] <calebwill> winterss: hi
• 1441[07:28:45] <winterss> how are you?
• 1442[07:29:09] <calebwill> winterss: i'm fine. Do you have a Debian question?
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• 1456[07:39:15] <lun0s> Are there any tools that can tell me what packages depend on a specific file?
• 1457[07:39:29] <lun0s> To follow up on that, can I find what package gives me a specific file?
• 1458[07:41:16] <calebwill> lun0s: to see which installed package provided a file use "dpkg -S partial/path/to/file". For packages not installed you can use apt-file
• 1459[07:42:20] <lun0s> If it's installed would apt-file work as well?
• 1460[07:42:51] <calebwill> yes
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• 1462[07:43:40] <lun0s> Cheers, fingers crossed I don't kill my server removing these infected files now
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• 1464[07:44:47] <calebwill> lun0s: you might also be interested in debsums which checks hashsums for installed packages (if the package provides them)
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• 1466[07:45:23] <lun0s> calebwill, I actually am, some of these files(such as libgcc4.so) are infected
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• 1469[07:45:47] <calebwill> lun0s: if you have an infected server though, probably best to bring it offline, backup the infected system for later analysis, then do a fresh install and fresh deployment of services, restore data from last known good backup
• 1470[07:46:11] <calebwill> lun0s: it's next to impossible to reliably disinfect a computer
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• 1472[07:46:32] <lun0s> calebwill, Issue is, the base image for this has a remote vulnerability(not sure of what it is myself) so if I wipe it, it gets immediately reinfected. Strict iptables rules have stopped this malware in it's tracks for a few months. Deciding to finally tackle it
• 1473[07:46:34] <calebwill> i mean how can you trust anything it tells you anymore?
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• 1475[07:47:28] <lun0s> From what I can tell it's just a DoS(possible DDoS) tool, if removing all the infected files doesn't solve this I will have to change hosts cause the host won't address it and says it's my own fault
• 1476[07:48:20] <stoned> Hello, I'm using Xmonad and I was wondring if there is a standalone panel or something I can use that will give me a something like a menu of installed applications
• 1477[07:48:44] <jair> pingfloyd: thank you I will definitely do
• 1478[07:48:45] <stoned> I used to run kicker in KDE3, just the panel, but now that's gone away and when I run plasma-desktop it takes over the desktop and all that.
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• 1481[07:49:04] <stoned> Any idea how to get a 'application menu' in Xmonad (not dmenu)
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• 1483[07:51:27] <calebwill> lun0s: how do you know a fresh install would be exploited again? is this some VPS template or something?
• 1484[07:51:51] <calebwill> stoned: one i know about but don't use is docky. there are others from other desktops like lxpanel you could try too
• 1485[07:53:19] <lun0s> calebwill, Yeah it's the base image they use for the install. I've done a lot of fresh installs and the very moment the server goes online it becomes infected and uses maximum bandwidth(which results in automatic suspension). I've been meaning to find a new host that doesn't dismiss a customer just because they're a customer anyways.
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• 1487[07:54:20] <calebwill> lun0s: sounds like a serious problem, are you sure it's not a vulnerability in one of the sites or services you're running?
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• 1489[07:55:35] <lun0s> calebwill, The base install only has SSH. It's a possibility that has a remote exploit available though.
• 1490[07:55:42] <calebwill> lun0s: finding a better VPS provider that lets you run the debian installer sounds like a priority
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• 1492[07:57:27] <lun0s> calebwill, Yeah I've been really unhappy with this host, since they have been bought out it's just gone down hill
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• 1582[09:12:58] <xormor> bleep bloop
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• 1585[09:13:35] <xormor> "Resistance is futile! Future is Debian's!"
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• 1589[09:18:00] <xormor> how do I see what I just upgraded from debian-proposed-updates?
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• 1636[09:52:30] <cesurasean> how would i go about searching my entire system or a directory for certain words inside a file?
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• 1638[09:52:39] <cesurasean> grep, but how?
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• 1642[09:55:12] <Nycatelos> hiya
• 1643[09:55:22] <Nycatelos> I followed the instructions on replaced-url
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• 1645[09:55:44] <Nycatelos> but when I use # aa-status I get 'apparmor module is not loaded.
• 1646[09:55:46] <Nycatelos> '
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• 1650[09:58:32] <cesurasean> you need to load that module then.
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• 1652[09:58:42] <cesurasean> you haven't properly loaded it. clearly.
• 1653[09:58:48] <cesurasean> google how to enable it.
• 1654[09:58:57] <Nycatelos> cool. thanks
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• 1665[10:07:17] <stoned> dide
• 1666[10:07:20] <stoned> I mean dude
• 1667[10:07:29] <stoned> calebwill: hi
• 1668[10:07:34] <stoned> replaced-url
• 1669[10:07:36] <stoned> oh doh.
• 1670[10:07:42] <stoned> replaced-url
• 1671[10:08:04] <stoned> I just compiled this. Very nice panel. A bit ... much. I migh thave to hack the source and take out the tasklist button
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• 1673[10:08:18] <stoned> But it gives me a nice menu, so that's good.
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• 1675[10:08:30] <stoned> docky is gnome integrated and requires dbus
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• 1688[10:18:14] <^v> okay i need help
• 1689[10:18:22] <^v> my computer has completely frozen
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• 1691[10:18:48] <^v> i can SSH into the machine but the desktop is frozen except the mouse pointer
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• 1694[10:20:24] <xormor> why does my Root Terminal complain that there is no D-Bus present after I close the window? It only opens once per session, after that it complains that D-Bus is not present, when I try to restart it.
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• 1700[10:24:14] <^v> DISPLAY=:0.0 cinnamon --replace puts me into a black screen and i can move the cursor around
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• 1752[10:56:42] <unborn> guys how to share internet via ethernet cable on debian?
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• 1756[10:57:44] <unborn> got it
• 1757[10:57:44] <unborn> :)
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• 1762[11:00:10] <CluelessGuy> hello
• 1763[11:00:33] <CluelessGuy> the debian noob is here again :D
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• 1766[11:01:23] <DevAntoine> hi
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• 1770[11:05:18] <DevAntoine> I've got a permission issue I guess. I'm trying to run a program using userA. When I run it I've got a python error telling me it can't open a certificate file. Certificate is owned by root:root but as 777 permissions (for testing purpose). I don't understand what's going on
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• 1781[11:10:33] <DevAntoine> of course if I run it as root it works fine
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• 1795[11:16:57] <unborn> okay it did not work.. so the question is how to share internet over ethernet cable?
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• 1808[11:25:24] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: directory permission issue?
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• 1812[11:28:47] <DevAntoine> Amun_Ra file permission is not enough, directory permission can cause issue too?
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• 1817[11:30:39] <DevAntoine> Amun_Ra: directory has reading perm for everyone
• 1818[11:30:50] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: and x?
• 1819[11:31:01] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: R in dirs in less important then X
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• 1824[11:32:36] <DevAntoine> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1809 Jun 6 12:40 /etc/letsencrypt/archive/koskoz.info/cert1.pem
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• 1826[11:32:44] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: if you have dir with --x--x--x you can still read file conents inside you just can't read dir contents (list of files/dirs/…)
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• 1828[11:32:46] <DevAntoine> funny, I can't read it with any user without root
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• 1831[11:33:12] <DevAntoine> Amun_Ra: yes but the program tries to read the file directly, not the dir content
• 1832[11:33:14] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: find /etc/letsencrypt -type d -exec chmod 755 '{}' \;
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• 1835[11:33:53] <unborn> anyone knows how to share internet over ethernet cable on debian?
• 1836[11:34:00] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: but… if the program can get into let's say /etc/letsencrypt - permissions of the file deep down won't matter much
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• 1838[11:34:39] <DevAntoine> cat /etc/letsencrypt/archive/koskoz.info/cert1.pem => permission denied
• 1839[11:34:40] <aleksa> How can I open Nemo or Nautilus on exact position of screen? Neither -g nor --geometry=XxY won't work.
• 1840[11:34:42] <DevAntoine> even with 755
• 1841[11:34:45] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: if the program can't*
• 1842[11:34:55] <DevAntoine> that's sick
• 1843[11:35:32] <DevAntoine> I can't print the content of a file having been set to 755
• 1844[11:35:34] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: have you run that find?
• 1845[11:35:38] <DevAntoine> I don't get it
• 1846[11:35:52] <DevAntoine> Amun_Ra: I've set 755 to the file using chmod
• 1847[11:35:55] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: you can't get into the file location
• 1848[11:36:08] <DevAntoine> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1809 Jun 6 12:40 /etc/letsencrypt/archive/koskoz.info/cert1.pem
• 1849[11:36:09] <Amun_Ra> you are not reading what I'm explaining
• 1850[11:36:45] <DevAntoine> Amun_Ra: oh, so you're saying that the directory needs to have +x?
• 1851[11:36:45] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: I'm not talking about cert1.pem I'm talking about letsencrypt, archive, and koskoz.info _directories_
• 1852[11:36:50] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: yes
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• 1855[11:37:14] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: they may no have +r, but they *must* have +x
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• 1857[11:37:18] <Amun_Ra> no→not
• 1858[11:37:31] <DevAntoine> Amun_Ra: yep, 644
• 1859[11:37:48] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: run that find command I wrote
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• 1862[11:39:08] <aleksa> Kh hm, bump :D Anyone knows how to open Nemo on exact location of screen=
• 1863[11:39:09] <aleksa> ?
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• 1865[11:39:30] <DevAntoine> Amun_Ra: it's running
• 1866[11:39:33] <DevAntoine> but now I'm lost
• 1867[11:39:49] <DevAntoine> to read a file having +r its parent directories need to have +x?
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• 1869[11:40:09] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: yes
• 1870[11:40:40] <DevAntoine> so what's the point of having +r without +x on a directory?
• 1871[11:40:44] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: if dir does not have +r you can't just list files inside it, if it does not have +x you don't have access
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• 1873[11:41:10] <DevAntoine> +x is for the program (like cat) to be executed inside this dir?
• 1874[11:41:35] <Amun_Ra> DevAntoine: right, +x means something else for dirs and sth else for files
• 1875[11:42:32] <DevAntoine> ok, thanks a lot Amun_Ra, it's a lot clearer now!
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• 1877[11:42:42] <DevAntoine> and I've been using linux for years, what a shame :x
• 1878[11:43:03] <unborn> noone knows?
• 1879[11:43:59] <Amun_Ra> no problem :>
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• 1881[11:44:25] <user26> Is there any lightweight desktop environment that supports programmatic configuration (like gconf)?
• 1882[11:44:28] <Amun_Ra> aleksa: you can move windows with xdotool
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• 1885[11:45:43] <Amun_Ra> aleksa: you can check command line options for a direct way of setting initial geometry in nemo
• 1886[11:46:42] <aleksa> Amun_Ra, "man nemo" and "nemo --help" gave me no further explanation on how to do it. All it was written is to use arguments "-g" and "--geometry=".
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• 1888[11:47:42] <aleksa> Amun_Ra, what I'm trying to achieve is to open to Nemo instances and to position one to left corner and the other to the right corner of the screen.
• 1889[11:47:56] <aleksa> *two Nemo instances
• 1890[11:48:11] <Amun_Ra> aleksa: does nemo --geometry=500x300 work?
• 1891[11:48:27] <Amun_Ra> aleksa: or --geometry=500x300+50+50
• 1892[11:50:06] <Amun_Ra> unborn: sth like replaced-url
• 1893[11:50:08] <aleksa> I've figured it out :D It does work when ran from root terminal
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• 1895[11:50:23] <aleksa> Amun_Ra, but when ran from normal user, it does not
• 1896[11:50:26] <aleksa> how come?
• 1897[11:51:37] <unborn> Amun_Ra: that does not work
• 1898[11:51:47] <unborn> I already tried that
• 1899[11:52:21] <aleksa> I mean, why would "geometry" parameter work only under root permission?
• 1900[11:52:48] <Amun_Ra> aleksa: it shouldn't be
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• 1902[11:54:24] <Amun_Ra> aleksa: you can resize it using sth like wmctrl
• 1903[11:55:27] <aleksa> Amun_Ra, commands not found, nor wmctrl nor sht
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• 1905[11:55:46] <aleksa> installed it
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• 1907[11:56:42] <Amun_Ra> aleksa: xdotool can do that too
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• 1909[11:57:28] <Amun_Ra> aleksa: I found sth you might like replaced-url
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• 1912[11:57:58] <unborn> can anyone help with sharinb wireless internet connection through ethernet? ive tried everything I know about it but its not working..
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• 1918[12:05:59] <user26> Is there any lightweight desktop environment (like Xfce) that supports programmatic configuration (the gconf way)?
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• 1943[12:19:59] <Epimemetics> Hiya
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• 1945[12:20:12] <Epimemetics> I tried to dist-upgrade my jessie server to sid
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• 1948[12:20:25] <Epimemetics> and after I rebooted I can't ssh in
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• 1950[12:20:36] <Epimemetics> nmap has the port as there but closed
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• 1952[12:20:42] <aleksa> Amun_Ra, thanks, that script works like a charm :D
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• 1958[12:23:13] <unborn> okay i figured that Connecting Ethernet disconnects WiFi for some reason.. i never seen that before.. is that something build into debian?
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• 1973[12:34:20] <unborn> ah On some laptops, the wireless chipset is being disabled automatically when the laptop is already connected to the internet by means of an ethernet cable (LAN). That's because weird things can happen when you're connected to the internet by both means at the same time. means that dell laptop have that exact problem.
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• 1976[12:35:18] <unborn> which explains the problem I had in first place :)
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• 1997[12:42:47] <dontknow> what can i do to fix this issue?
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• 2023[13:01:39] <user26> Is there any lightweight desktop environment (like Xfce) that supports programmatic configuration (the gconf way)?
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• 2027[13:04:54] <aleksa> guys, I am not getting the same result from script when I run it directly and when I run it from terminal. What is the difference? Does running it using mouse count as if it's opened by "others" and when ran via terminal as User?
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• 2034[13:08:48] <teraflops> aleksa: you mean you launch it via double click? if yes look at .desktop files at the Exec= and Terminal= params
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• 2039[13:09:44] <x-fak> hi
• 2040[13:10:01] <x-fak> when i upgrade my package, i get this: replaced-url
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• 2046[13:12:04] <user26> Is there any lightweight desktop environment (like Xfce) that supports programmatic configuration (the gconf way)?
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• 2067[13:18:58] <pngl> Hi, I'm trying to install an experimental package, but it complains about about some dependencies which are 1) already installed and 2) too old. I know more recent versions exist in unstable. Can I update these packages to their unstable version? (I'm running jessie)
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• 2090[13:27:54] <VladimirVolkov> Which are pros and cons between b43 firmware and wl in usage as modules for BCM4313?
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• 2098[13:29:47] <GlockX> Hi guys, i'm trying to disable the predictable network interface names, followd the methods on freedesktop.org, but the names doesn't change ... what am I doing wrong ?
• 2099[13:30:19] <teraflops> GlockX: whats with predictable the names?
• 2100[13:30:27] <teraflops> also are yuo on jessie?
• 2101[13:30:30] <teraflops> you*
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• 2103[13:31:10] <GlockX> I just want my eth0 and wlan0 back, i'm on testing
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• 2110[13:32:01] <teraflops> ask in #debian-next in oftc network then
• 2111[13:32:12] <GlockX> thnx
• 2112[13:32:16] <teraflops> np
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• 2114[13:33:21] <netsca> If you have backports enabled on jessie will apt install anything from it by default or do you have to specify jessie-backports?
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• 2116[13:33:37] <teraflops> the latter
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• 2118[13:33:54] <netsca> Thanks
• 2119[13:34:31] <teraflops> netsca: once a package from backports is installed it picks updates from backports
• 2120[13:34:35] <teraflops> iirc
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• 2128[13:37:35] <netsca> Is it safe to upgrade all installed packages to the ones available in backports?
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• 2130[13:38:06] <H4ndy> it's usually recommended to only take single packages you need from backports
• 2131[13:38:16] <H4ndy> since they are not extensively tested
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• 2138[13:43:48] <teraflops> netsca: switch to testing then
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• 2142[13:46:28] <hexnewbie> netsca: Why would you do that? The whole purpose of backports it to grab newer versions of only the packages that you actually need, while maintaining stable versions for everything else. As teraflops says, if you get current versions of everything you might as well run testing.
• 2143[13:47:13] <netsca> I didn't do it. I was just wondering if it was safe.
• 2144[13:47:32] <teraflops> hexnewbie: Is it safe to upgrade all installed packages to the ones available in backports? ← it has no sense, switch to testing if you want that
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• 2146[13:47:57] <netsca> I didn't say I wanted that.
• 2147[13:48:15] <teraflops> ^
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• 2149[13:48:56] <hexnewbie> netsca: Yeah, but nobody can tell if you if it is safe if it makes no sense---nobody else has even tried it :)
• 2150[13:48:59] <teraflops> hexnewbie: oh I misread I need more coffee
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• 2153[13:50:24] <netsca> I didn't think it made no sense. And i'm sure someones done it before.
• 2154[13:50:41] <teraflops> netsca: are you sure?
• 2155[13:50:51] <netsca> Sure of what?
• 2156[13:51:10] <teraflops> ^
• 2157[13:51:17] <teraflops> And i'm sure someones done it before.
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• 2159[13:51:47] <netsca> yes. Out of all the people that run debian stable i'm sure someone has done it before,
• 2160[13:52:02] <teraflops> netsca: i dont think so
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• 2162[13:52:24] <hexnewbie> I would think only by accident when messing up custom package priorities. :)
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• 2168[13:53:14] <hexnewbie> netsca: But OK, let's put it that way: Since it is a very very unintended use of backports, it is to be assumed unsafe, since it has not been planned for and virtually untested.
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• 2170[13:53:38] <netsca> Okay
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• 2175[13:54:56] <hexnewbie> Thankfully there's the rebrand addon to keep Iceweasel around
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• 2219[14:17:20] <unborn> anyone knows what are default debian fonts?
• 2220[14:17:52] <edoardo> Isn't it just Sans?
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• 2222[14:18:13] <edoardo> Yeah, Sans is the default font here
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• 2224[14:18:36] <bgardner> Good morning all. I have a new install of Debian 8.4 up and I'm having trouble switching to ttys. Ctrl-Alt-F1 (F2, F3, etc) crash X (or appear to) and return to lightdm login. Is this expected? Do I need to enable ttys somewhere in systemd?
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• 2227[14:19:15] <unborn> thanks edoardo, I just switched my main machine from ubuntu to debian finally but kept xchat settings and mono fonts looks somehow not very nice :)
• 2228[14:19:18] <epsilon> it should not by default... F7 is grafical again
• 2229[14:19:55] <edoardo> I use Droid Sans Mono on xchat
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• 2231[14:20:18] <edoardo> unborn: replaced-url
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• 2235[14:22:12] <epsilon> I use Lib Sans
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• 2239[14:23:31] <unborn> edoardo: it looks a bit different on mine replaced-url
• 2240[14:24:04] <edoardo> Edit the font hinting from "full" to "slight"
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• 2242[14:25:12] <unborn> in xchat or in system?
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• 2247[14:26:05] <edoardo> unborn: system
• 2248[14:27:30] <unborn> edoardo: just looking at the system settings, not sure as I cannot found anything to do with fonts heh
• 2249[14:27:38] <bgardner> Hm. So further detail: the Xorg.0.log shows a segfault when the key is pressed, so this probably isn't just a config thing. If I find the solution I'll report back.
• 2250[14:27:44] <unborn> aha
• 2251[14:28:16] <edoardo> "Fonts All font settings are available in the Fonts tab – here you can not only change system fonts, but hinting and antialiasing, too. "
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• 2255[14:28:59] <unborn> edoardo: in system settings?
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• 2257[14:29:16] <unborn> there is no fonts tab at all
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• 2260[14:30:00] <unborn> ah in gnome tweak tool
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• 2266[14:31:36] <unborn> thanks edoardo :)
• 2267[14:32:00] <zh1> bgardner, have u done any update on the new install?
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• 2269[14:32:33] <bgardner> zh1: Just apt-get dist-upgrade
• 2270[14:32:53] <bgardner> And I swapped out gdm for lightdm, gdm crashed instantly
• 2271[14:32:57] <zh1> bgardner, try apt-get update and upgrade too
• 2272[14:33:24] <bgardner> zh1: Running now
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• 2277[14:34:34] <edoardo> unborn: does it look good now?
• 2278[14:34:45] <zh1> bgardner, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
• 2279[14:35:05] <bgardner> zh1: That was my exact command I ran, yup
• 2280[14:35:11] <unborn> edoardo: yeah! I mean I dont really get that hinting what it is about - does that affect all other applications or just few of them?
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• 2282[14:35:24] <zh1> bgardner, apt-get autoremove -y && apt-get autoclean -y && apt-get purge -y && apt-get check -y
• 2283[14:35:43] <zh1> missed a space
• 2284[14:35:43] <bgardner> zh1: k, wait one
• 2285[14:35:49] <zh1> bgardner, apt-get autoremove -y && apt-get autoclean -y && apt-get purge -y && apt-get check -y
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• 2287[14:36:10] <zh1> bgardner, after do a reboot
• 2288[14:36:17] <edoardo> unborn: hinting modifies the font to make it look more readable and less blurred when the text is small
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• 2290[14:36:30] <edoardo> and it effects all your applications using the gnome font engine
• 2291[14:36:59] <bgardner> zh1: Done, rebooting
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• 2293[14:37:16] <unborn> edoardo: that is great! it wont really affect printing.. I mean it would print what I see right?
• 2294[14:38:12] <unborn> oh del button does not work meh
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• 2297[14:38:44] <newbie> 大家好。
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• 2299[14:39:16] <edoardo> unborn: it effects only your display
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• 2302[14:39:25] <x-fak> when i upgrade my package, i get this: replaced-url
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• 2304[14:40:10] <unborn> I see edoardo so anyone else who open writer document or perhaps pdf created by me, would see then without smoothing then?
• 2305[14:40:32] <edoardo> They'd see it depending on their display settings
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• 2308[14:43:01] <newbie> Debian 8.5好不好用？
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• 2322[14:45:49] <petn-randall> newbie: We only speak english here.
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• 2325[14:46:24] <petn-randall> !cn
• 2326[14:46:24] <dpkg> 如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助，請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道，連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明，或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作！
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• 2329[14:48:37] <newbie> 好的，知道。谢谢了。
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• 2331[14:49:11] <joze> does every symbol mean stregth?
• 2332[14:49:18] <joze> would tatoo them
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• 2334[14:50:23] <epsilon> i only speak japanese, but i guess it was like, thanks for freidly advice (where to get support)
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• 2337[14:50:46] <epsilon> it least from what the each letters mean
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• 2351[15:00:51] <winterss> hi
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• 2361[15:05:46] <Piratmajor> hi
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• 2389[15:23:02] <grosalindamayamo> Hello
• 2390[15:23:09] <leetcool> hi grosalindamayamo
• 2391[15:23:14] <grosalindamayamo> I can't compile Clementine.
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• 2395[15:23:34] <grosalindamayamo> Trying to compile Clementine following this instructions: replaced-url
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• 2397[15:24:01] <grosalindamayamo> Here's the output on the 'make' step in the Compiling section of that link: replaced-url
• 2398[15:24:57] <grosalindamayamo> leetcool, Can you help me?
• 2399[15:25:08] <leetcool> i'm reading the paste
• 2400[15:25:16] <grosalindamayamo> Thanks a lot!
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• 2403[15:27:13] <leetcool> there's a deb package for it. did you tried that?
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• 2405[15:27:30] <grosalindamayamo> There isn't a .deb package for Debian.
• 2406[15:27:32] <leetcool> first of all i'm not pro. but still i'll try my best to help you
• 2407[15:27:45] <grosalindamayamo> Hey man that's really great! Thanks a lot!
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• 2409[15:27:49] <nebg> I'm on debian... and i cannot find the file which contains the system calls numbers that should be unistd.h i have one... but i don't understand it... i'll paste it replaced-url
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• 2411[15:27:55] <nebg> sorry i mean debian
• 2412[15:27:58] <nebg> stable
• 2413[15:28:42] <leetcool> grosalindamayamo, your installed os is 32bit or 64 bit?
• 2414[15:28:51] <grosalindamayamo> 64bit
• 2415[15:29:06] <leetcool> replaced-url
• 2416[15:29:32] <leetcool> 1st# dpkg -i package.deb
• 2417[15:29:34] <leetcool> then
• 2418[15:29:42] <leetcool> 2nd# apt-get install -f
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• 2420[15:29:52] <leetcool> you'll be having it installed then.
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• 2425[15:31:14] <nantz> hi shaun413
• 2426[15:31:22] <shaun413> Hi
• 2427[15:31:25] <leetcool> grosalindamayamo, let me know if you face any other difficulties
• 2428[15:32:07] <nantz> how old are you? shaun413
• 2429[15:32:21] <shaun413> Why..
• 2430[15:32:34] <grosalindamayamo> leetcool, I want to install 1.3.1 which is the latest stable release.
• 2431[15:32:48] <nantz> 随便问问的。
• 2432[15:32:55] <grosalindamayamo> I know that Clementine is in the repo.
• 2433[15:33:00] <grosalindamayamo> But the one in the repo is very old.
• 2434[15:33:02] <grosalindamayamo> 1.2.3
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• 2436[15:33:07] <grosalindamayamo> I want to install 1.3.1
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• 2438[15:33:22] <grosalindamayamo> It's in Testing though.
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• 2440[15:33:26] <DevAntoine> hi
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• 2442[15:33:43] <grosalindamayamo> Can I instead just get the one from Testing branch/repo?
• 2443[15:34:08] <nantz> do you use debian 8.5?
• 2444[15:34:15] <nantz> hi devantoine
• 2445[15:34:21] <DevAntoine> I'm wondering why the user with whom I'm connecting to my ftp (vsftpd server) needs to have a shell? In /etc/passwd I've set the shell to /bin/false in order to avoid ssh connection but then I cannot connect to the ftp anymore?
• 2446[15:34:31] <nantz> i am newbie
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• 2448[15:35:09] <grosalindamayamo> leetcool, Could you just PM me?
• 2449[15:35:34] <leetcool> grosalindamayamo, done
• 2450[15:35:44] <grosalindamayamo> What is done?
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• 2459[15:38:56] <nantz> what are your talk ?
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• 2464[15:40:45] <nantz> .....
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• 2470[15:43:20] <nantz> all big hackers,i am very like your
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• 2472[15:43:39] <newbie> ls
• 2473[15:44:29] <themill> newbie: do you have a debian support question we can help you with?
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• 2479[15:47:44] <newbie> no,i am not study.
• 2480[15:48:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1715
• 2481[15:48:39] <ByteStorm> guys is there a command line irc client tht supports ssl???
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• 2485[15:50:08] <newbie> debian screensave say "there are old"
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• 2488[15:51:13] <irwiss> ByteStorm: all of them using screen and ssh
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• 2492[15:51:45] <ByteStorm> well i want to install debian without gui in a virtual box
• 2493[15:51:45] <irwiss> ack misread ssl, well i guess not ;p
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• 2501[15:52:49] <newbie> virtual box ,i like it.
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• 2507[15:53:42] <themill> ByteStorm: I'd be surprised if most of them didn't
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• 2510[15:54:24] <ByteStorm> well is there one....bcoz i did need to communicate with you guys then....in tht system
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• 2516[15:55:36] <newbie> ByteStorm : Virtual box BIOS UEF BIOS shell
• 2517[15:55:59] <ByteStorm> no...i think ill use what is provided in the repos
• 2518[15:56:12] <ByteStorm> gnome-boxes
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• 2520[15:56:36] <meti> ByteStorm: epic5 supports ssl, use /server server:port::::IRC-SSL to connect
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• 2522[15:56:46] <ByteStorm> thnx
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• 2527[15:57:34] <ByteStorm> guys does gnome-boxes provide virtual machines???
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• 2532[16:00:15] <winterss> hi
• 2533[16:00:54] <teraflops> ByteStorm: gnome-boxes is a libvirt GUI
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• 2535[16:01:23] <ByteStorm> ???
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• 2537[16:01:37] <teraflops> ??? what
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• 2541[16:02:11] <ByteStorm> well does it work as Virtual Box...i dont want to install deb files tht are not from the repos
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• 2544[16:03:41] <grosalindamayamo> leetcool, What do you mean you just wanted to have a look?
• 2545[16:03:53] <grosalindamayamo> Dude did you just give me a malicious line?
• 2546[16:04:11] <teraflops> ,v gnome-boxes
• 2547[16:04:12] <judd> Package: gnome-boxes on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.3+dfsg-1; jessie: 3.14.2-2; sid: 3.20.2-1; stretch: 3.20.2-1
• 2548[16:04:18] <grosalindamayamo> Was that Testing line you told me to put in /etc/apt/sources.list a malicious one?
• 2549[16:04:25] <grosalindamayamo> leetcool, No PMs please.
• 2550[16:04:26] <winterss> hiya
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• 2554[16:04:49] <grosalindamayamo> leetcool, Let's just talk here.
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• 2557[16:05:29] <leetcool> grosalindamayamo, you can put that link in google and check a few results to cross verify the integrity of that line
• 2558[16:05:32] <leetcool> :(
• 2559[16:05:42] <themill> grosalindamayamo: don't mix stable and testing
• 2560[16:05:47] <grosalindamayamo> themill, I didn't
• 2561[16:06:02] <grosalindamayamo> themill, I commented all of the lines except Testing.
• 2562[16:06:06] <ByteStorm> teraflops how can i get more info about gnome-boxes
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• 2564[16:06:30] <teraflops> use google or similar
• 2565[16:06:36] <grosalindamayamo> leetcool, Really weird that apt acts as if I'm doing a dist-upgrade.
• 2566[16:06:42] <ByteStorm> ok
• 2567[16:06:43] <grosalindamayamo> Now apt is still installing stuff.
• 2568[16:06:59] <themill> grosalindamayamo: that's because you're mixing stable and testing....
• 2569[16:07:06] <leetcool> replaced-url
• 2570[16:07:06] <grosalindamayamo> I didn't
• 2571[16:07:25] <markybob> grosalindamayamo: yes, you did. you have stable installed and now you're installing crap from testing
• 2572[16:07:26] <leetcool> grosalindamayamo, i hope you get 1.3 installed
• 2573[16:07:29] <grosalindamayamo> What did you said earlier about "just wanted to have a look"
• 2574[16:07:36] <grosalindamayamo> ?
• 2575[16:07:51] <grosalindamayamo> So even commenting everything except Testing is useless?
• 2576[16:07:53] <leetcool> i just wanted to have a look at the output of your command
• 2577[16:07:56] <winterss> hi
• 2578[16:07:59] <grosalindamayamo> Ah
• 2579[16:08:03] <leetcool> :(
• 2580[16:08:07] <grosalindamayamo> Sorry leetcool , had a bad day.
• 2581[16:08:14] <themill> and it just got worse
• 2582[16:08:29] <leetcool> you acted to rudely like i'm going to mess with your system
• 2583[16:08:32] <leetcool> :(
• 2584[16:08:56] <grosalindamayamo> I'm sorry, I really had a bad day.
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• 2586[16:09:02] <themill> well, it's not particularly leet or cool to help a user screw up their system like that
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• 2588[16:09:22] <grosalindamayamo> themill, He just trying to help me.
• 2589[16:09:30] <themill> and now you have a mess
• 2590[16:09:34] <grosalindamayamo> I just wanted to install the latest stable of Clementine which is 1.3.1.
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• 2592[16:09:53] <grosalindamayamo> themill, Is it really fucked up now?
• 2593[16:09:59] <grosalindamayamo> Like to the point that I can't use it anymore?
• 2594[16:10:11] <themill> well, either you decide that you're going to learn a lot about debian and run testing, or you reinstall
• 2595[16:10:17] <grosalindamayamo> After I'm done getting Clementine, I'll go back to the default sources.
• 2596[16:10:20] * leetcool is starring at the floor being silent
• 2597[16:10:26] <markybob> grosalindamayamo: no
• 2598[16:10:32] <grosalindamayamo> ?
• 2599[16:10:41] <grosalindamayamo> So my system is fucked now?
• 2600[16:10:41] <themill> grosalindamayamo: that's not possible
• 2601[16:10:49] <grosalindamayamo> How?
• 2602[16:10:50] <themill> grosalindamayamo: don't mix stable and testing
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• 2604[16:11:14] <grosalindamayamo> So is that why apt is acting as if I'm doing a dist-upgrade?
• 2605[16:11:25] <grosalindamayamo> Because I just typed apt-get install clementine
• 2606[16:11:29] <markybob> actually dist-upgrade would've been smarter
• 2607[16:11:33] <leetcool> grosalindamayamo, just wanted to drop you a piece of advice in PM... as my last PM
• 2608[16:11:56] <sKeiths> getting error message using aptitude. replaced-url
• 2609[16:12:20] <grosalindamayamo> markybob, So just upgrade to Testing then?
• 2610[16:12:45] <grosalindamayamo> Someone or a couple I think here or in #subgraph told me that Testing is actually ok for home users or lay people like me.
• 2611[16:12:54] <grosalindamayamo> So I think upgrade to Testing instead should be ok for me?
• 2612[16:13:03] <grosalindamayamo> And I get newer packages too.
• 2613[16:13:09] <grosalindamayamo> What do you guys think?
• 2614[16:13:15] <markybob> grosalindamayamo: i think you should reinstall. no offense i don't think you know enough to run testing yet
• 2615[16:13:16] <themill> sKeiths: if you're going to use 3rd party apt repos, you need to import the correct key for them too
• 2616[16:13:41] <sKeiths> themill. okay. i'll google that. thanks for the hint.
• 2617[16:13:42] <grosalindamayamo> I've used Subgraph OS for a while now.
• 2618[16:13:45] <grosalindamayamo> It's based off of Testing.
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• 2620[16:13:53] <grosalindamayamo> Is using Testing hard?
• 2621[16:13:57] <grosalindamayamo> I haven't found much problem with it.
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• 2623[16:14:41] <themill> sKeiths: they seem to have key material in replaced-url
• 2624[16:14:49] <markybob> running something that takes testing and freezes and testing which is constantly changing are two different things. but at this point your only options are dist-upgrade or reinstall. i say reinstall.
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• 2626[16:15:15] <markybob> grosalindamayamo: keep in mind testing support is supposed to take place in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
• 2627[16:15:16] <grosalindamayamo> dist-upgrade leads to what?
• 2628[16:15:39] <markybob> grosalindamayamo: full testing and not some mixed bags. but since you didn't do it first you might have problems
• 2629[16:15:46] <sKeiths> themill: very grateful. ty
• 2630[16:16:00] <grosalindamayamo> markybob, Hmm
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• 2632[16:16:31] <grosalindamayamo> markybob, I'll just upgrade
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• 2635[16:16:47] <grosalindamayamo> markybob, What lines should be in my /etc/apt/sources.list?
• 2636[16:17:38] <markybob> grosalindamayamo: i don't support testing, man. check out #debian-next on irc.oftc.net like i suggested. but basically you just replace stable or jessie with stretch
• 2637[16:17:53] <grosalindamayamo> Ah ok
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• 2639[16:18:13] <grosalindamayamo> This is the only line I have uncommented deb tor+replaced-url
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• 2641[16:18:43] <grosalindamayamo> So I can remove that line and change the default lines to just stretch basically?
• 2642[16:18:53] <markybob> yes
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• 2644[16:19:18] <grosalindamayamo> Cool!
• 2645[16:19:23] <grosalindamayamo> leetcool, Hey man I got 1.3.1 now!
• 2646[16:19:31] <grosalindamayamo> Thanks a lot leetcool markybob themill !
• 2647[16:19:40] <grosalindamayamo> Really great help right there! Appreciate it.
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• 2649[16:19:45] <ByteStorm> 1.3.1???
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• 2651[16:20:03] <grosalindamayamo> I hope I don't run into nasty bugs me upgrading to Testing as how markybob suggested :D
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• 2660[16:23:03] <grosalindamayamo> markybob, #debian-next is invite only
• 2661[16:23:18] <winterss> hi gross
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• 2663[16:23:43] <grosalindamayamo> markybob, What about the Jessie Updates line AKA Volatile?
• 2664[16:23:57] <markybob> grosalindamayamo: wrong network. like i said. irc.oftc.net. you're on freenode right now
• 2665[16:24:05] <grosalindamayamo> Ah sorry
• 2666[16:24:05] <grosalindamayamo> lol
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• 2687[16:34:46] <ByteStorm> guys i had a problem....while i was installing conky and finding out some processor settings my terminal gave me this message:- replaced-url
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• 2691[16:37:31] <markybob> ByteStorm: looks like you need to install firmware-misc-nonfree
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• 2693[16:38:08] <ByteStorm> yeah....which repo do i include in the sources.list
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• 2695[16:38:39] <markybob> ByteStorm: that's in jessie-backports
• 2696[16:38:56] <markybob> ByteStorm: replaced-url
• 2697[16:38:56] <ByteStorm> ok backports....i hav them already thn
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• 2699[16:39:06] <markybob> ByteStorm: with non-free?
• 2700[16:39:13] <ByteStorm> no maybe
• 2701[16:39:55] <ByteStorm> so... i hav this already: deb replaced-url
• 2702[16:40:08] <ByteStorm> will i need to include anything extra
• 2703[16:40:08] <markybob> add non-free after main
• 2704[16:40:13] <ByteStorm> ok
• 2705[16:42:05] <ByteStorm> so it should be something like this:- deb replaced-url
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• 2707[16:42:42] <markybob> sure
• 2708[16:42:48] <ByteStorm> thnx
• 2709[16:42:51] <ByteStorm> and one more thing
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• 2711[16:43:15] <ByteStorm> is there a way to auto add some packages which are missing via apt
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• 2713[16:44:15] <markybob> you mean you wanted apt to automatically know you needed that firmware package and do it for you?
• 2714[16:44:23] <ByteStorm> yes
• 2715[16:44:26] <markybob> no
• 2716[16:44:29] <ByteStorm> if its possible
• 2717[16:44:33] <ByteStorm> ok
• 2718[16:44:45] <ByteStorm> so how do i kno what packages im misiing
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• 2733[16:59:54] <daniel-s> Hi there.
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• 2735[17:00:14] <daniel-s> I noticed that my iceweasel branded browser just recently changed to calling itself Firefox.
• 2736[17:00:37] <daniel-s> What changed that Debian is now OK with using to official branding?
• 2737[17:00:50] <markybob> daniel-s: mozilla came to their senses
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• 2748[17:04:25] <daniel-s> I found this: replaced-url
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• 2751[17:04:38] <nedstark> iceweasel is a better name
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• 2842[17:53:47] <x-fak> let's say i install apache2 server and i install the php5 package, and after i install php7 package, which php version will be use the server?
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• 2850[17:55:41] <ByteStorm> guys is there a software to check what types of sensors/capabilities/stuff-like-tht my processor supports
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• 2854[17:56:04] <SweetKatya> x-fak, your apache2 configuration will decide
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• 2856[17:56:17] <unborn> is there any way to enable delete button?
• 2857[17:56:22] <SweetKatya> see the modules-enabled folder
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• 2859[17:57:36] <x-fak> SweetKatya , not modules-enabled, but /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
• 2860[17:58:20] <x-fak> i dont understand how he will decide, it's not a human being?
• 2861[17:59:24] <cruncher> unborn, what delete button?
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• 2867[18:03:29] <ByteStorm> guys???
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• 2870[18:04:18] <unborn> cruncher: delete button on keyboard
• 2871[18:04:26] <TomTomTosch> ByteStorm: read about lm sensors
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• 2873[18:04:45] <ByteStorm> ok
• 2874[18:05:49] <cruncher> unborn, why does it not work? did you select the right layout? does it work in the tty?
• 2875[18:06:09] <TomTomTosch> als lshw for showing hardware.
• 2876[18:06:16] <TomTomTosch> s/als/also
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• 2878[18:07:02] <unborn> cruncher: because in debian you have to use ctrl+delete button
• 2879[18:07:06] <unborn> i think
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• 2883[18:07:32] <cruncher> unborn, for what? when i want to delete a letter in front of the cursor, i just press delete. What layout do you have?
• 2884[18:07:46] <unborn> cruncher: for files
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• 2886[18:08:08] <cruncher> you mean you are trying to delete a file with delete and it doesnt work?
• 2887[18:08:18] <unborn> cruncher: yes
• 2888[18:08:23] <cruncher> you have to be more accurate describing your problem :)
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• 2890[18:09:21] <cruncher> does the delete work in a text editor? does it delete the text?
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• 2892[18:09:48] <unborn> cruncher: okay I dont know how more accurate I can describe the problem.. I want to delete file with del key without pressing additional keys.. heh - are you using debian your self?
• 2893[18:10:10] <unborn> ...im talking about files not about text
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• 2895[18:10:38] <cruncher> yes, now you are talking about files, before it was like in general
• 2896[18:10:48] <ByteStorm> guys how do i use lm-sensors ???
• 2897[18:10:51] <cruncher> so to rule out hardware failure, does the delete key work?
• 2898[18:11:02] <cruncher> in a text editor o terminal maybe?
• 2899[18:11:18] <cruncher> if so, did you check if you have permissions to delete that file?
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• 2901[18:11:55] <unborn> cruncher: it works as it supposed to, but not when I try to delete the file.. I am not linux newbie that much and trust me I would not ask if that is hardware or permission problem
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• 2903[18:12:33] <cruncher> what file manager are you using?
• 2904[18:13:52] <unborn> nautilus
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• 2908[18:16:33] <unborn> cruncher: I found the solution. thanks for trying to help me.
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• 2920[18:21:13] <x-fak> my debian crashed with a reboot and a kernel panic, i want to grab some information on the incident, how can i do? (Debian 8.4 64bits inside an OpenVZ container) ?
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• 2924[18:23:09] <unborn> x-fak: the log files should be in /var
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• 2927[18:24:04] <x-fak> unborn , nothing into syslog
• 2928[18:24:21] <x-fak> file names?
• 2929[18:24:34] <ByteStorm> guys???
• 2930[18:24:53] <unborn> x-fak: /var/log
• 2931[18:25:04] <unborn> there should be all log files...
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• 2933[18:25:29] <x-fak> unborn which file name into /var/log for kernel panic core dump?
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• 2935[18:26:22] <TomTomTosch> ByteStorm: replaced-url
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• 2941[18:30:01] <TomTomTosch> ByteStorm: also, if you skipped the warning, don't fuck around with the default settings.
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• 2948[18:31:35] <unborn> x-fak: aint see panic long time, but perhaps in kern.log?
• 2949[18:31:51] <unborn> or syslog
• 2950[18:31:51] <grosalindamayamo> Hello!
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• 2952[18:32:08] <grosalindamayamo> I can't import gpg keys via gpg --recv-keys
• 2953[18:32:21] <grosalindamayamo> How should I --recv-keys in XFCE Debian 8.5?
• 2954[18:32:25] <TomTomTosch> grosalindamayamo: need the whole command and output.
• 2955[18:32:39] <x-fak> unborn ok ty
• 2956[18:32:49] <TomTomTosch> grosalindamayamo: to paste.debian.net
• 2957[18:32:54] <x-fak> what's the package which replaces ffmpeg ?
• 2958[18:32:54] <unborn> x-fak: np :)
• 2959[18:33:11] <grosalindamayamo> TomTomTosch, Ok
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• 2961[18:33:26] <x-fak> i have no kernl.log into /var/log :(
• 2962[18:33:41] <grosalindamayamo> TomTomTosch, replaced-url
• 2963[18:33:45] <TomTomTosch> x-fak: libav-tools you can still get ffmpeg though.
• 2964[18:34:05] <grosalindamayamo> TomTomTosch, I'm following this guide to verify the ISO: replaced-url
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• 2967[18:34:39] <TomTomTosch> grosalindamayamo: i repeat. whole command and output.
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• 2970[18:35:07] <grosalindamayamo> TomTomTosch, gpg --recv-key A25BAE09
• 2971[18:35:16] <grosalindamayamo> TomTomTosch, That's the command.
• 2972[18:35:34] <TomTomTosch> grosalindamayamo: ah, right. you need to add a keyserver url else he doesn't know where to get the key from.
• 2973[18:35:43] <TomTomTosch> grosalindamayamo: that will be a linuxmint server
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• 2975[18:35:46] <grosalindamayamo> Ah
• 2976[18:35:50] <grosalindamayamo> What keyserver is it?
• 2977[18:36:06] <grosalindamayamo> Can't get it via pgp.mit.edu
• 2978[18:36:11] <grosalindamayamo> That guide isn't complete.,
• 2979[18:36:15] <TomTomTosch> grosalindamayamo: no idea. i'm sure you'll find it with a quick search or by asking the mint channel.
• 2980[18:36:15] <grosalindamayamo> Especially noobs like me.
• 2981[18:36:24] <sypher> TomTomTosch: Generally, pgp keyservers all communicate, and most deployments have a default keyserver.
• 2982[18:36:25] <x-fak> TomTomTosch E: Package 'ffmpeg' has no installation candidate
• 2983[18:36:27] <TomTomTosch> grosalindamayamo: it's complete for mint userer probably.
• 2984[18:36:35] <grosalindamayamo> Jesus Christ that fucking verification guide!
• 2985[18:36:57] <grosalindamayamo> sypher, There isn't a default keyserver in my case.
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• 2987[18:37:04] <grosalindamayamo> Debian 8.5 XFCE user here.
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• 2992[18:37:52] <sypher> grosalindamayamo: Debian's default gpg keyserver in most deployments is 'hkp://keys.gnupg.net'
• 2993[18:38:01] <grosalindamayamo> Hm
• 2994[18:38:51] <grosalindamayamo> sypher, That didn't work
• 2995[18:38:55] <grosalindamayamo> gpg: "--keyserver" not a key ID: skipping
• 2996[18:38:56] <grosalindamayamo> gpg: "hkp://keys.gnupg.net" not a key ID: skipping
• 2997[18:38:56] <grosalindamayamo> gpg: no keyserver known (use option --keyserver)
• 2998[18:38:56] <grosalindamayamo> gpg: keyserver receive failed: bad URI
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• 3000[18:39:05] <sypher> doh
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• 3004[18:39:59] <s0m3> Hi!
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• 3006[18:40:04] <s0m3> Sorry for the paste.
• 3007[18:40:12] <sypher> s0m3: You need to specify the keyserver parameter BEFORE the recv-key parameter, so that doesn't happen.
• 3008[18:40:16] <s0m3> I'm the same person asking for help to verify some ISO.
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• 3010[18:40:20] <s0m3> Ah
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• 3014[18:42:47] <unborn> oh boy.. i cannot install google chrome man
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• 3025[18:46:05] <unborn> it was possible few weeks ago.. man.. anyone know how to install google chrome onto debian? the deb package from chrome website does not work..
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• 3030[18:47:13] <unborn> uff
• 3031[18:47:15] <unborn> solved
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• 3071[19:03:40] <slicepaperwords> does anybody know how to install ffmpeg on jessie?
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• 3074[19:05:16] <calebwill> slicepaperwords: it's in jessie-backports
• 3075[19:05:27] <calebwill> !bdo
• 3076[19:05:27] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 3081[19:08:14] <slicepaperwords> thanks a lot calebwill
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• 3087[19:13:22] <slicepaperwords> anybody know anything about broken packages?
• 3088[19:13:25] <slicepaperwords> replaced-url
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• 3090[19:13:44] <TomTomTosch> !tell slicepaperwords about bat
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• 3093[19:14:19] <c-c> slicepaperwords: how did that come up?
• 3094[19:14:25] <TomTomTosch> slicepaperwords: forget that. read the bdo again.
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• 3096[19:14:58] <TomTomTosch> slicepaperwords: you need to tell it to install from jessie-backports
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• 3098[19:15:10] <slicepaperwords> c-c, just added a new source and am trying to install ffmpeg
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• 3100[19:15:40] <c-c> added a new source? to sources.list or your package control?
• 3101[19:15:47] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
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• 3103[19:16:29] <slicepaperwords> to my sources.list
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• 3105[19:16:44] <c-c> ok so you added backports repo to your sources.list?
• 3106[19:16:48] <slicepaperwords> yes
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• 3110[19:17:13] <c-c> I guess TomTomTosch 's link will tell you that backports are not exhaustively tested
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• 3112[19:17:44] <TomTomTosch> no, TomTomTosch 's link will tell you how to install packages from jessie-backports
• 3113[19:17:55] <c-c> I wonder if retrying whatever you attempted to install helps after $ apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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• 3115[19:18:18] <slicepaperwords> TomTomTosch, do I need to comment out my other sources to be sure it uses the backport?
• 3116[19:18:30] <Akuw> i having problems to see my external hard disk
• 3117[19:18:34] <TomTomTosch> slicepaperwords: you need to read the exact line i linked you.
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• 3119[19:18:56] <sypher> slicepaperwords: If you do that, you WILL break everything. Read the linked docs.
• 3120[19:19:07] <TomTomTosch> slicepaperwords: -t jessie-backports is what you are missing.
• 3121[19:19:30] <calebwill> slicepaperwords: backports are pinned at a lower priority so they are not selected automatically, you need to explicity tell apt-get/aptitude to select from backports for specific packages
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• 3124[19:19:56] <TomTomTosch> i feel like i said that four times now x)
• 3125[19:19:57] <Akuw> cannot access SAMSUNG-500GB: Input/output error
• 3126[19:20:13] <Akuw> i check on a windows PC and can read without problems
• 3127[19:20:40] <Akuw> i read th problem could be because ntfs-3g
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• 3130[19:21:17] <slicepaperwords> TomTomTosch, adding -t jessie-backports worked, thanks a lot
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• 3133[19:21:29] <TomTomTosch> no problemo
• 3134[19:21:41] <rhu> Akuw: had same issue with WD ultra .. ended up rebuilding as ext4 to fix
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• 3139[19:22:28] <nedstark> akuw: is this a windows 10 partition?
• 3140[19:22:35] <Akuw> no
• 3141[19:22:43] <Akuw> i created with windows 7
• 3142[19:22:51] <nedstark> so its not in a hibernated state for quickbooting
• 3143[19:22:59] <Akuw> the problem begin after i upgrade my debian to jessie
• 3144[19:23:54] <nedstark> it's not jessie, but i've had mixed results with gnome accessing windows partitions
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• 3147[19:24:36] <nedstark> no problems in cinnamon
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• 3152[19:26:44] <rhu> happened for me in xubuntu 14.04.4
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• 3156[19:28:49] <Akuw> any solution for that?
• 3157[19:29:06] <nedstark> in debian, you can try logging into your desktop environment as root and accessing the windows drive that way
• 3158[19:29:12] <rhu> i couldn't find one .. other that what i mentioned
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• 3160[19:29:45] <nedstark> i've had problems in gnome where it wouldn't even ask me for my admin password, it would just freeze
• 3161[19:29:53] <nedstark> when trying to access a windows drive
• 3162[19:30:22] <calebwill> Akuw: you could try the mount command and/or fstab line for ntfs-3g from replaced-url
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• 3178[19:37:02] <jamesl> I am trying to get a TP-Link WN722N (atheros-based) Wifi USB device working in Debian stretch, I have installed firmware-atheros with APT, and the wifi card associates to my router perfectly and the GUI and dmesg show it is connected, however I cannot ping google.com or access any websites, they say "server not found" after 30 seconds of trying to look up the server. What am I doing wrong here? I have not added anything in my
• 3179[19:37:02] <jamesl> /etc/network/interfaces and ifconfig and iwconfig say the network is up and some packets have been recevied and transmitted
• 3180[19:37:59] <Akuw> sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /media/x/SAMSUNG
• 3181[19:38:09] <Akuw> ls: cannot access SAMSUNG: Input/output error
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• 3185[19:39:50] <sypher> !testing
• 3186[19:39:50] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
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• 3223[19:58:14] <jjmalina> has anyone had success installing debian 8.5 on a 4th gen lenovo thinkpad x1 carbon?
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• 3225[19:58:59] <jjmalina> I checked out replaced-url
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• 3227[19:59:34] <calebwill> jjmalina: what happens?
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• 3229[20:00:11] <jjmalina> calebwill enter password to decrypt HD, then an indefinite black screen with a flashing cursor in the top left corner
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• 3232[20:00:30] <monsterco> I am using Privateshell to connect to but it erros with: Key Exchange Failed - never seen this; what is that? putty works
• 3233[20:00:42] <nedstark> maybe try not encrypting the hd
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• 3245[20:02:57] <calebwill> jjmalina: does your computer have one of those new NVME SSDs?
• 3246[20:03:19] <petn-randall> jjmalina: Try booting without 'quiet splash' in the kernel parameter line, maybe you'll get more info that way.
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• 3249[20:03:44] <petn-randall> jjmalina: Installation went fine on that machine? Or did you install on a different one and switch HDs?
• 3250[20:03:45] <jjmalina> calebwill i believe so
• 3251[20:04:28] <jjmalina> petn-randall how do I boot with that? yeah the installation was fine. i can boot into the 3.16 kernel
• 3252[20:05:02] <jjmalina> the wireless just doesnt work and that's what I'm trying to fix by updating the kernel
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• 3254[20:05:31] <petn-randall> jjmalina: Which kernel are you running then?
• 3255[20:05:46] <jjmalina> replaced-url
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• 3258[20:06:07] <petn-randall> jjmalina: Did you download and install this package?
• 3259[20:06:11] <jjmalina> yes
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• 3261[20:06:51] <petn-randall> jjmalina: Add the jessie-backports repo instead and install it over this. You don't have the dependencies installed that you need for a successful installation.
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• 3264[20:07:28] <jjmalina> i ran apt-get install on all those packages that are marked as deps and they were all there
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• 3266[20:07:50] <jjmalina> and hte problem is that since I dont have ethernet or wireless I have to download the package and move it over via usb
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• 3272[20:09:29] <AlexLikeRock> i guys
• 3273[20:09:56] <AlexLikeRock> ever time i start internet not start
• 3274[20:10:02] <AlexLikeRock> until do :
• 3275[20:10:03] <petn-randall> jjmalina: Ethernet doesn't work either on that system?
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• 3277[20:10:18] <AlexLikeRock> /etc/init.d/networking stop
• 3278[20:10:30] <jjmalina> petn-randall there just isnt an ethernet port and i dont have usb adapter
• 3279[20:10:34] <AlexLikeRock> they open the web page
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• 3284[20:10:45] <petn-randall> jjmalina: How did you install in the first place?
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• 3286[20:11:03] <jjmalina> downloaded the debs on another machine and moved them over via usb
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• 3289[20:11:28] <AlexLikeRock> any one can helpme ?
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• 3295[20:15:22] <petn-randall> Hi AlexLikeRock, what problem do you actually have?
• 3296[20:15:23] <petn-randall> !ask
• 3297[20:15:24] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 3298[20:15:27] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: ^^^
• 3299[20:15:53] <AlexLikeRock> no conccion at internet at start up
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• 3302[20:16:01] <AlexLikeRock> i tinck i have a conflict
• 3303[20:16:08] <AlexLikeRock> petn-randall,
• 3304[20:16:11] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: What release are you running?
• 3305[20:16:19] <AlexLikeRock> wheezy
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• 3307[20:16:44] <AlexLikeRock> with mate, gnome , openbox and KDE
• 3308[20:16:47] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: And you need to run '/etc/init.d/networking stop' to be able to access the internet?
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• 3310[20:16:54] <AlexLikeRock> yes
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• 3313[20:17:41] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: How are you connected to the internet? Via Ethernet or via wifi?
• 3314[20:17:45] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: i guess youre using more than one network manager at the same time
• 3315[20:17:50] <AlexLikeRock> wifi
• 3316[20:17:56] <AlexLikeRock> yes
• 3317[20:18:10] <AlexLikeRock> i agree with tera
• 3318[20:18:12] <AlexLikeRock> teraflops,
• 3319[20:18:17] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock
• 3320[20:18:22] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: Can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces to replaced-url
• 3321[20:18:23] <AlexLikeRock> we can do a test ?
• 3322[20:18:29] <petn-randall> !enter
• 3323[20:18:30] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
• 3324[20:18:30] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: you know I appreciate you right?
• 3325[20:18:56] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: amor filial nada de roces :P
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• 3329[20:19:46] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: do you use e.g /e/n/i for wired and NM for wireless?
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• 3331[20:19:55] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
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• 3333[20:20:11] <AlexLikeRock> petn-randall,
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• 3335[20:20:28] <teraflops> it seems so
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• 3337[20:21:18] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: I cannot see any mention to wireless in your paste
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• 3339[20:21:34] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: Looks like your wifi is not define in /etc/network/interfaces (which is good). Can you paste the output of 'ifconfig', run as root?
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• 3345[20:22:59] <kcirick> Hi... in openbox, the right-click on desktop doesn't show menu suddenly anymore... does anyone know what could've gone wrong?
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• 3349[20:23:26] <petn-randall> kcirick: Maybe the mouse button is broken?
• 3350[20:23:30] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
• 3351[20:23:47] <AlexLikeRock> petn-randall,
• 3352[20:23:48] <kcirick> petn-randall: no the mouse button works fine (for example on window frame)
• 3353[20:24:07] <jjmalina> so is there any way to diagnose why the 4.5 kernel isn't starting?
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• 3356[20:24:18] <jjmalina> anything I can put into the grub cmd line?
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• 3358[20:24:32] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: Looks like everything works as expected. Can you check the output of ifconfig and 'route -n' after reboot, when the problem occurs?
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• 3361[20:25:09] <petn-randall> jjmalina: If you run 'apt-get install -f' on that machine, does it show any output?
• 3362[20:26:34] <AlexLikeRock> petn-randall, replaced-url
• 3363[20:26:46] <AlexLikeRock> it now
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• 3368[20:27:59] <kcirick> I tried reverting back to the default openbox config (by moving ~/.config/openbox), but right click on desktop doesnt work still
• 3369[20:28:04] <AlexLikeRock> this line its extraneoous to me
• 3370[20:28:05] <AlexLikeRock> 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 wlan0
• 3371[20:28:17] <LtL> should link-local be in that route output?
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• 3373[20:28:33] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: That's the link-local address, it doesn't hurt.
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• 3375[20:28:52] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: And right now you can't access the internet?
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• 3380[20:30:13] <AlexLikeRock> i have GNU/inux
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• 3382[20:31:10] <AlexLikeRock> yes im at internet
• 3383[20:31:38] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: I asked you for the output of 'ifconfig' and 'route -n' when the problem exists, after rebooting.
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• 3385[20:32:08] <AlexLikeRock> ok, i willl reboot.....
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• 3387[20:32:22] <jjmalina> petn-randall "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
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• 3392[20:33:48] <petn-randall> jjmalina: Ok, at least that part works then. When grub starts, you can select a kernel with the arrow keys, then press 'e' to edit that boot entry temporarily. In the kernel line remove the 'quiet' and 'splash' from that line, then press (IIRC) ctrl + x to boot it.
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• 3395[20:34:08] <petn-randall> jjmalina: That way you'll see all the detailed kernel output right until the boot stops.
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• 3404[20:36:09] <jjmalina> petn-randall hmm I dont see 'quiet' or 'splash' anywhere. the first line is "setparams 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-amd65'"
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• 3409[20:37:56] <petn-randall> jjmalina: There should be a line similar to this: 'linux /vmlinuz-4.5.0-2-amd64 root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet splash'
• 3410[20:38:03] <jjmalina> ahh ok
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• 3412[20:39:18] <jjmalina> same thing. i enter the decryption password. it prints some stuff, then another screen flashes with some output and then it's the blinking cursor
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• 3416[20:40:54] <petn-randall> jjmalina: Can you switch terminals by pressing ctrl + alt + Fx? x being the different function keys from F1 to F8.
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• 3418[20:41:43] <jjmalina> petn-randall nothing happens
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• 3421[20:42:50] <AlexLikeRock> im back petn-randall
• 3422[20:42:52] <petn-randall> jjmalina: If you add '1' in the boot menu after removing 'quiet splash'? This should start single user mode, then you might be able to check the logs if there is an error somewhere.
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• 3425[20:43:10] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: Welcome back. Do you have a paste for me?
• 3426[20:43:34] <x23wrbird> how i can create a group on it?
• 3427[20:43:53] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
• 3428[20:43:59] <AlexLikeRock> yes
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• 3431[20:44:41] <AlexLikeRock> fooooooor youuuuu ;3
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• 3433[20:45:27] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: Ah thanks. In your /etc/network/interfaces it should be enough to comment out the lines 10-12, so that eth0 won't be configured statically anymore. Do you know how to do that?
• 3434[20:45:43] <petn-randall> x23wrbird: Group for what?
• 3435[20:45:54] <AlexLikeRock> ok
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• 3437[20:46:58] <AlexLikeRock> reboot
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• 3448[20:50:12] <AlexLikeRock> petn-randall, its fix it ,
• 3449[20:50:19] <AlexLikeRock> tanks sooo much
• 3450[20:50:25] <AlexLikeRock> petn-randall,
• 3451[20:51:02] <jjmalina> petn-randall i see more output now at boot up but it disappears and then it's the blank screen with the flashing cursor afterward
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• 3463[21:02:11] <jjmalina> maybe it's GNOME that's failing
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• 3466[21:03:12] <jamesl> MY wifi adapter's name is not wlan1, but instead wlxc4e9840dcf54. How to rename it to wlan1 since I can't remember wlxc4e9840dcf54
• 3467[21:03:14] <jamesl> ?
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• 3469[21:03:43] <mtn> jjmalina: you could try booting with nomodeset in the kernel line
• 3470[21:04:05] <sypher> jamesl: Still running squeeze?
• 3471[21:04:06] <jjmalina> mtn the line with "linux" ?
• 3472[21:04:11] <mtn> jjmalina: yes
• 3473[21:04:19] <jamesl> sypher: sid/stretch
• 3474[21:04:26] <sypher> !testing
• 3475[21:04:27] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
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• 3479[21:04:44] <jamesl> sypher, yes, the testing release
• 3480[21:04:54] <sypher> Huh, dpkg is asleep.
• 3481[21:05:08] <sypher> jamesl: Testing support is at #debian-next on irc.oftc.net.
• 3482[21:05:14] <sypher> jamesl: As was mentioned to you earlier.
• 3483[21:05:24] <jamesl> DAMN!
• 3484[21:05:31] <jamesl> I keep forgetting since I updated
• 3485[21:05:38] <jamesl> I only updated recently
• 3486[21:05:40] <jamesl> sorry
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• 3488[21:07:01] <jjmalina> mtn whoa that worked! what does nomodeset do??
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• 3490[21:07:45] <mtn> jjmalina: it uses a default video driver. now you need to fix your driver situation. which video card do you have?
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• 3494[21:08:10] <mtn> jjmalina: I guess I should say basic, not default
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• 3498[21:09:26] <jjmalina> mtn i think its "intel device 1916"
• 3499[21:09:50] <mtn> jjmalina: in a terminal: lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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• 3502[21:10:56] <jjmalina> mtn 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:1916] (rev 07)
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• 3504[21:11:11] <mib_mib> hi all - i have some servers rented in a datacenter running ubuntu 14.04 and running a mysql server - when i run cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor -> powersave ; is this recommended to run powersave at all if i dont pay for power? Should i switch it to performance? will it extend any life of the cpu or otherwise?
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• 3507[21:11:31] <jjmalina> then there's 00:13.0 Non-VGA unclassified device [0000]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9d35] (rev 21)
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• 3509[21:12:24] <jjmalina> i'm trying to also get my wireless device to work
• 3510[21:12:25] <mtn> jjmalina: there is a good chance using a new kernel and xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports will help
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• 3513[21:12:48] <jjmalina> mtn afaik there isn't a newer kernel for backports jessie
• 3514[21:12:59] <jjmalina> i'm on 4.5
• 3515[21:13:11] <mtn> jjmalina: ok, how did it work on the original kernel?
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• 3519[21:13:34] <jjmalina> the video worked fine but I was trying to follow replaced-url
• 3520[21:13:44] <jjmalina> because sound didnt work and wifi didnt work
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• 3522[21:13:47] <jjmalina> the sound now works
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• 3524[21:14:09] <mtn> jjmalina: hmm. did you also add the inte driver?
• 3525[21:14:18] <mtn> intel
• 3526[21:14:26] <jjmalina> ilwifi?
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• 3528[21:14:36] <mtn> jjmalina: no, the video driver I just mentioned
• 3529[21:14:43] <jjmalina> no i'll try adding that now
• 3530[21:14:59] <mtn> jjmalina: see if that fixes your video and then you can work on wireless
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• 3542[21:22:08] <jjmalina> mtn ok that fixed the video card :)
• 3543[21:22:13] <mtn> jjmalina: nice
• 3544[21:23:33] <jjmalina> mtn so I installed iwlfwifi but not sure what to do after to get wireless to work
• 3545[21:23:47] <mtn> jjmalina: you installed iwlwifi and rebooted?
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• 3547[21:24:22] <jjmalina> yes it's been installed for a while
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• 3549[21:24:45] <mtn> jjmalina: are you using network manager?
• 3550[21:24:57] <jjmalina> mtn yes
• 3551[21:25:07] <mtn> jjmalina: does it see networks?
• 3552[21:25:22] <jjmalina> no. i dont believe the wireless device is set up
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• 3554[21:25:54] <jjmalina> mtn if I do iwconfig I se "lo" and "eth0" and both say "no wireless extensions"
• 3555[21:26:05] <mtn> jjmalina: install inxi and then run: inxi -Nn paste the results to dpaste.com and give us the link
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• 3568[21:30:11] <jjmalina> mtn replaced-url
• 3569[21:31:18] <mtn> jjmalina: how about the results of: sudo rfkill list wifi if aren't using sudo, run as root. paste again, please
• 3570[21:31:41] <jjmalina> dont have rfkill
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• 3572[21:31:50] <mtn> jjmalina: install it?
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• 3575[21:33:07] <jjmalina> mtn ok it comes back empty
• 3576[21:33:35] <mtn> jjmalina: hmm. checking on something
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• 3580[21:34:46] <mtn> jjmalina: is iwlwifi loaded? lsmod to check
• 3581[21:35:12] <jjmalina> mtn yes it's in the list
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• 3583[21:35:32] <jjmalina> ah interesting
• 3584[21:35:35] <locrian9> Can someone suggest a good storage and relevantly quick access NAS system, GigE Ethernet access, OEM or from Scratch? Wanted to move all my video and picutres (already contained on a full 500GB 7200RPM platter on Win7 ), over to this new NAS, and make this Win7 use a mapped drive over to the new NAS to access/store new videos/photos.
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• 3589[21:35:42] <mtn> jjmalina: I am not sure. it appears that wifi chip is well supported by iwlwifi
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• 3591[21:36:24] <calebwill> jjmalina: you're using a kernel from backports, did you also install the version of firmware-iwlwifi from backports?
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• 3595[21:36:43] <jjmalina> "dmesg | grep -i wifi" shows "iwlwifi 0000:04:00.0 Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-8000C-13.ucode failed with error -2"
• 3596[21:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1716
• 3597[21:38:16] <mtn> jjmalina: are you using the iwlwifi from backports?
• 3598[21:38:46] <calebwill> that file isn't in the backports version either :/
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• 3600[21:39:20] <jjmalina> mtn hmm no i think it might be this one replaced-url
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• 3602[21:39:26] <jjmalina> perhaps the backports version will worjk
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• 3604[21:39:40] <mtn> jjmalina: use the backports version
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• 3609[21:41:28] <jjmalina> mtn installed. do i need to reboot?
• 3610[21:41:34] <mtn> jjmalina: yes
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• 3613[21:43:30] <jjmalina> mtn hooray it works!!
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• 3615[21:43:36] <mtn> jjmalina: great
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• 3617[21:43:57] <xSmurf> is there seriously no way to get the kernel ip command/initramfs to support VLANs??
• 3618[21:44:14] <jjmalina> this has been a frustrating but illuminating experience
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• 3626[21:48:58] <petn-randall> AlexLikeRock: You're welcome! Glad to see your problem fixed.
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• 3630[21:49:42] <petn-randall> jjmalina: If you added a '1' to the kernel boot line, it should start single user mode, and ask for the root password.
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• 3641[21:55:01] <locrian9> petn-randall: Just testing that I'm getting all the posts in this room. I see you're msg to "AlexLikeRock" 'You're welcome! Glad to see your problem fixed', but didn't see a msg form AlexLikeRock.
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• 3656[22:00:08] <petn-randall> locrian9: He wrote an hour ago, maybe you hadn't joined there yet.
• 3657[22:00:20] <winterss> hi
• 3658[22:00:49] <petn-randall> locrian9: it's sometimes normal on IRC to have some hours pass between two responses.
• 3659[22:00:55] <petn-randall> hi winterss
• 3660[22:01:02] <winterss> hi pet
• 3661[22:01:04] <winterss> how are you?
• 3662[22:01:11] <petn-randall> winterss: petn<tab>
• 3663[22:01:25] <winterss> what are you up to?
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• 3670[22:02:45] <petn-randall> winterss: Idling in the support channel. If you want to chat, #debian-offtopic is better suited for that.
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• 3672[22:02:58] <winterss> ok
• 3673[22:03:00] <winterss> ty
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• 3685[22:07:56] <locrian9> petn-randall: Was just making sure everything was alright on my irc client. Thanks.
• 3686[22:08:11] <winterss> hi
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• 3697[22:12:21] <locrian9> winterss: Do you have a NAS on your home network?
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• 3702[22:13:30] <winterss> no
• 3703[22:13:33] <winterss> whats that?
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• 3707[22:16:13] <locrian9> Network Attached Storage
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• 3713[22:20:33] <locrian9> Sorry for the random question. I was just trying to ask a question in the channel (to everyone) but didn't get any suggestions. Sometimes engaging directly on a pm (personal message) I found helps.
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• 3716[22:24:53] <xSmurf> locrian9: you'll have better chance with a more specific question, what is it that you really want to know?
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• 3718[22:26:05] <dnfx> hi
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• 3722[22:27:17] <dnfx> does anyone know how to get around clonezilla's issue with restoring to a drive which is smaller than the source /
• 3723[22:27:23] <dnfx> ?
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• 3725[22:27:57] <dnfx> i tried the clonezilla IRC but ghost town
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• 3730[22:28:39] <xSmurf> cp -a?
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• 3736[22:30:54] <sohail> ok, I made a yuge mistake... I accidentally added a sources.list.d file to conffiles but I need to change it to something else when the upgrade occurs. How can I force this?
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• 3847[23:15:51] <peterrooney> nkuttler: that's usually the shell that does that
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• 3859[23:19:37] <petn-randall> How is restoring to a drive smaller than the source supposed to work? Like even on a logical level?
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• 3862[23:20:16] <petn-randall> sohail: How did you add it to conffiles?
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• 3903[23:41:00] <kejsi564> hello
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• 3906[23:42:52] <kejsi564> im trying to install apt-get install un-rar but i get this message E: Unable to locate package un-rar
• 3907[23:43:02] <kejsi564> could someone tell me whats wrong with it ?
• 3908[23:43:11] <cruncher> its not called un-rar
• 3909[23:43:17] <markybob> unrar
• 3910[23:43:22] <kejsi564> oh one moment
• 3911[23:43:32] <stacks88> if memtest reports 1 error (after 7 hours), is that considered bad enough where the ram is faulty ? said.. said pass = 2, errors = 1 , error confidence value is 236, lowest error address 0000719b678 1817.4mb, highest error address the same. bits in error mask 0000100000, bits in error total = 1. max contigous errors = 1 (First time running memtest).. but yea i am reading online that there should
• 3912[23:43:32] <stacks88> not be any errors. i didnt take a pic of what all it said, tried to write down what i could, but it definitely said errors: 1
• 3913[23:43:49] <kejsi564> markybob Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
• 3914[23:43:49] <kejsi564> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
• 3915[23:43:49] <kejsi564> is only available from another source
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• 3917[23:44:02] <cruncher> stacks88, not debian related, but short answer, yes and no
• 3918[23:44:10] <locrian9> Any good NAS ideas for the home?
• 3919[23:44:27] <markybob> kejsi564: then you probably didn't add non-free to your sources.list
• 3920[23:44:40] <cruncher> stacks88, if you ran version 5, i suggest to run v4 and try again, or vice versa
• 3921[23:44:46] <cruncher> then you can be sure that the ram is bad
• 3922[23:45:13] <cruncher> or even try another tool
• 3923[23:45:53] <kejsi564> markybob hmm could you guide me how to fix this ?
• 3924[23:46:54] <markybob> kejsi564: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list after "main" on each line add "non-free" (no quotes). ctrl+x to exit. y to save. apt-get update. try apt-get install unrar again
• 3925[23:47:59] <kejsi564> ok
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• 3927[23:48:49] <stacks88> cruncher: i ran memtest86-usb-7.0b1.zip - so i guess their 7.0 beta 1 version =/
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• 3929[23:49:25] <stacks88> cruncher: I only did this becuase of crashes, so i think it probably is bad
• 3930[23:49:38] <cruncher> ah, i see you ran memtest86, not memtest86+
• 3931[23:49:47] <stacks88> oh is there a difference?
• 3932[23:50:25] <cruncher> i only suggest to run multiple tools as once i had the same issue with memtest86+ v5.x (errors), then i tried with v4.x and no errors
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• 3934[23:50:42] <stacks88> i see
• 3935[23:50:53] <cruncher> yes, some difference will be :) i think its a spin off, but still worth a try i think
• 3936[23:51:03] <stacks88> and in any case, how long should i run it, was 7 hours enough ? thats how long i ran it just now
• 3937[23:51:07] <stacks88> while i slept lol
• 3938[23:51:27] <stacks88> 16gb of ram*
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• 3941[23:52:50] <cruncher> i always run it for 1 pass, but the longer you run it the more reliable the result will be
• 3942[23:52:58] <ghormoon> hi, can I somehow find out which keyslot is a key in for luks disk?
• 3943[23:53:24] <cruncher> stacks88, memtest86+ shows you passes, not sure about memtest86
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• 3945[23:53:28] * CluelessGuy says goodbye to windows now
• 3946[23:53:36] <CluelessGuy> hello gnome!
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• 3948[23:54:07] <cruncher> ghormoon, cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sdxx
• 3949[23:54:17] <leetcool> is there any way/link to obtain a copy of Debian 1.1 (Buzz) ? i tried to search but i failed
• 3950[23:55:30] <CluelessGuy> debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso is the image which comes with a GUI, right? and debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-standard does simply not come with a GUI, correct?
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• 3952[23:55:55] <leetcool> yes CluelessGuy
• 3953[23:56:00] <CluelessGuy> ok cool thanks!
• 3954[23:56:14] <ghormoon> cruncher: and can I identify which is which by enterin the password?
• 3955[23:56:14] <leetcool> today i downloaded kde ver of live iso lol
• 3956[23:56:33] <leetcool> anyone seeding Debian 1.1 (Buzz)???
• 3957[23:56:40] <CluelessGuy> leetcool it's fully installable to a hdd via the live cd image "debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-gnome-desktop" ?
• 3958[23:56:50] <CluelessGuy> or is this ONLY for live-cd usage
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• 3961[23:57:18] <markybob> CluelessGuy: you realize live doesnt support uefi, right? so on most new computers it wont install properly unless your change your bios to legacy?
• 3962[23:57:25] <leetcool> in my kde versio n there is an option to install so most probably this will also be having that..
• 3963[23:57:45] <cruncher> ghormoon, afair, you should be able to just enter the desired password, and it will tell you which slot was unlocked
• 3964[23:57:47] <CluelessGuy> markybob :O no idea. which debian gnome .ISO should I DL then to just install it on my HDD?
• 3965[23:57:56] <CluelessGuy> without needing like 5 CDs/DVDs :D
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• 3967[23:58:22] <ewook> could anyone explain the EOL scenario for 7.x for me in term of when it will reach it?
• 3968[23:58:23] <markybob> CluelessGuy: and you want gnome?
• 3969[23:58:36] <cruncher> ghormoon, otherwise, try the -S parameter
• 3970[23:58:44] <CluelessGuy> markybob i guess! the UI looks okay for me and I guess it's good for my usage
• 3971[23:58:59] <CluelessGuy> replacing all my windows7 finally with it
• 3972[23:59:11] <CluelessGuy> maybe I get lucky and steam runs on it too... maybe not...
• 3973[23:59:19] <markybob> CluelessGuy: you have your choice depending on my much you want to download now or during install. dvd replaced-url
• 3974[23:59:31] <ghormoon> seems I'll have to close it to find out, not easily to be done like when adding/removing keys
• 3975[23:59:47] <markybob> CluelessGuy: you could always do netinst if you want to download it all during install
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