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16[00:10:06] <Dissent> why can'ty my apache write to a
folder?
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20[00:11:20] <Pavr> Dissent, wrong permissions?
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23[00:13:33] <Dissent> I cant fix it
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24[00:13:36] <Dissent> so I'm going to run as root
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25[00:13:39] <Dissent> unless someone has a better idea
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26[00:13:41] <Dissent> I tried chmod 777
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27[00:13:43] <Dissent> I tried some chown action
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28[00:13:46] <Dissent> a little bit of smashing things
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29[00:13:48] <Dissent> and still no luck
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30[00:13:56] <Dissent> I'm two weeks in now
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31[00:14:25] <Iridos> execute permissions on directories have
to be there for the server all the way down to /
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34[00:15:47] <Dissent> changing my envvars
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35[00:15:49] <Dissent> fucked it all up
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36[00:15:51] <Dissent> now it wont even start
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37[00:15:55] * Dissent rages
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39[00:18:42] <Dissent> 2 weeks now
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40[00:18:45] <Dissent> any other ideas?
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41[00:19:01] <Dissent> Iridos, what does that mean
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44[00:19:51] <Dissent>
replaced-url
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45[00:19:57] <SynrG> no process that traverses the directcory
structure from / down to a subfolder can see that subfolder unless
every intervening folder has granted x permission to the process
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47[00:20:11] <Dissent> I did this
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48[00:20:20] <Dissent> chown
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49[00:20:23] <Dissent> is that not enough?
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50[00:20:29] <Dissent> then I did
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51[00:20:33] <Dissent> chmod 777 /var/replaced-url
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134[00:24:42] <dTal> Dissent: I notice neither of those commands
were recursive
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210[00:25:07] <tobiasBora> All right, I found how to solve my
casper problem.
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225[00:25:35] <biheho> ciao
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231[00:25:43] <dpkg> biheho: È possibile scaricare un
sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a
replaced-url
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232[00:25:43] <Iridos> Dissent, chmod a+x / /var /var/replaced-url
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237[00:26:00] <Dissent> I'lll try that Iridos , ty
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238[00:26:03] <biheho> !list
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239[00:26:03] <dpkg> biheho: È possibile scaricare un
sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a
replaced-url
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241[00:26:25] <Iridos> but /var/replaced-url
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242[00:26:34] <biheho> ciao
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243[00:26:35] <biheho> !list
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244[00:26:35] <dpkg> biheho: vedi
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246[00:26:45] <tobiasBora> Now I've a question about casper
: is it possible to do something like "persistent-path"
but for partition instead of files ? I'd like to provide a
multi-boot where each system has it's own casper partition.
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255[00:30:21] <velix> For Jessie there were websites, who
guessed the release date. Is there something for Stretch, too?
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258[00:33:16] <SynrG> tobiasBora: casper? have you mistaken this
for ubuntu support? casper is not a part of debian
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259[00:33:30] <SynrG> tobiasBora: i think you need to see
#ubuntu for that
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260[00:33:35] <SynrG> or else your own distribution
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261[00:33:40] <tomcres> !ubuntu
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262[00:33:41] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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268[00:35:50] <velix> Hit me baby one more time!
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269[00:36:27] <tobiasBora> SynrG: Hum it's really linked
with ubuntu ? Well how can this tutorial work with debian if casper
is ubuntu-specific ?
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270[00:36:48] <Dissent> Iridos, thayt didnt work
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271[00:36:50] <Dissent> I'm ripping my hair out
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272[00:36:59] <Dissent> I haven't eaten in 12 hours
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273[00:37:00] <Dissent> not helping
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277[00:38:02] <awal1> velix, stretch will be released this year
(2017) :P
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283[00:41:17] <n4dir> tobiasBora: where does the how-to mention
casper?
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286[00:42:27] <gry> /lastlog dissent
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287[00:42:28] <gry> er
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288[00:42:30] <tobiasBora> n4dir: For me, the
"home-rw" tips is the way casper works, so I though that
capser was behind this. But if it's not, I'd be curious to
know what's beyout that
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289[00:42:43] <Iridos> Disse… well, gorn
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291[00:43:50] <steven_is_false> Hi. I'm trying the demo
Hurd image on kvm and I can't get shutdown to fully unmount
everything.
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293[00:44:38] <Dissent> still no luck
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294[00:44:40] <Dissent> ircnode0,
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295[00:44:43] <Dissent> Iridos,
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296[00:44:45] <gry> for Dissent's issue, we can log in as
apache user and test file permissions from there
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297[00:44:46] <Dissent> any other ideas?
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298[00:45:15] <Dissent> does apache user have a password?
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300[00:45:20] <Dissent> I didn't make
replaced-url
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302[00:45:23] <Dissent> I dont even know where it came from
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303[00:45:25] <Dissent> something made it for me
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304[00:45:32] <Dissent> and setup apache to run w/ it
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306[00:45:34] <Pavr> what are you trying to make apache write?
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307[00:45:39] <Iridos> wait… *write* to a folder?
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308[00:45:43] <Iridos> what are you trying to do?
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309[00:45:47] <somiaj> Dissent: that is a default user provided
by debian, as you don't want the webserver running as root.
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310[00:45:49] <gry> Dissent: something like `sudo -u
replaced-url
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311[00:46:11] <gry> Dissent: sudo -u
replaced-url
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312[00:46:17] <gry> Dissent: and so on
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313[00:46:53] <Dissent> touch: cannot touch '/var/replaced-url
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314[00:46:59] <Dissent> this can't be good
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315[00:47:24] <somiaj> Dissent: actually it probabaly is good,
you do'nt want the webserver to be able to write to .php files,
easy way to comprimise your system.
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316[00:47:34] <Dissent> its not even my system
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317[00:47:35] <gry> yes
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318[00:47:37] <Dissent> so I'm bnot paranoid
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320[00:47:39] <Dissent> its just a vps
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321[00:47:39] <somiaj> Dissent: you have to be very careful
about which directoires you give your webserver access to.
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322[00:47:50] <somiaj> I mean access to write too (read is a
different story)
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323[00:47:50] <Dissent> well the webserver is running a web app
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324[00:47:52] <Dissent> called ampache
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325[00:47:55] <Dissent> it needs to write files
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326[00:47:55] <gry> you need to do this right
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327[00:47:56] <gry> it needs to be able to read and exeute that
file
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328[00:47:57] <Dissent> from user uploads
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329[00:48:05] <Dissent> and it can't even write ....
it's own log
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330[00:48:06] <Dissent> right now
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331[00:48:08] * Dissent confused
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332[00:48:08] <gry> so test the directory where it needs to
write to
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333[00:48:16] <somiaj> Dissent: sure, this is a common thing and
usually one directory is setup to do this with permissions like 1777
or 1775
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334[00:48:31] <somiaj> Dissent: but this has to be done during
the install of the php software, and usually install docs talk about
this.
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335[00:48:32] <Dissent> Warning: Unable to write to log
(/var/log/ampache/ampache.20170118.log)
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336[00:49:10] <Dissent> what is the easiest wya to just fix this
now
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337[00:49:17] <Dissent> I tried running as root (not scared) and
it didnt even work
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338[00:49:19] <somiaj> Dissent: how did you install ampache?
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339[00:49:25] <Dissent> manually
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340[00:49:37] <Dissent> then put it into my /var/replaced-url
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341[00:49:44] <Dissent> pointed the dir root to its indexc
folder
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342[00:49:52] <Dissent> I have all dependencies installed
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344[00:50:05] <somiaj> Dissent: well you need to then manually
setup all of the write permisions for the logs and various other
things it needs access to.
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345[00:50:07] <Dissent> but it can't write its own log, and
user upload was failing probably for the same reason
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346[00:50:11] <Dissent> I also couldnt create a new catalog
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347[00:50:21] <somiaj> Dissent: I do noitce an ampache debian
package, which most likely would have set this all up for you.
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348[00:50:22] <Dissent> somiaj, well I did chmod 777 on thos
dirs
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349[00:50:28] <Dissent> then I did chown
replaced-url
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350[00:50:31] <Dissent> it didnt seem to work
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355[00:51:10] <somiaj> Dissent: and all the subdirs? Also be
careful, you don't want to just make everything 777. I
don't know amapche at all so unsure on the details, but if
using the debian package I would assume this would all be setup
correctly when installing the debian package.
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356[00:51:20] <missmbob_> 777 means anyway can change your
config files, for example. it's very ...not smart
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357[00:51:22] <Dissent> I wasn't able to use the pakcage
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358[00:51:23] <somiaj> installing the upstream php manually
requires you to manually set up all these permissions.
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359[00:51:28] <missmbob_> anyone*
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360[00:51:36] <Dissent> how?
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361[00:51:42] <Dissent> you mean if they compromise the box
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362[00:51:53] <Dissent> or do you mean just casually through the
webpage
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364[00:52:03] <missmbob_> you need to read the document of the
software you're using and follow its steps and permissions
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366[00:52:16] <Dissent> I did
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367[00:52:17] <Dissent> trust me
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370[00:52:23] <Dissent> this issue has been ongoing for two
weeks now
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371[00:52:28] <Dissent> the developers never helped
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372[00:52:32] <Dissent> I had to give up today
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373[00:52:34] <Dissent> the 15th day
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375[00:52:49] <Dissent> I'll try some more chowning
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376[00:52:56] <Pavr> it's a user problem not the developers
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379[00:53:55] <Dissent> drwxr-xr-x 2
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381[00:54:02] <Dissent> Warning: Unable to write to log
(/var/log/ampache/ampache.20170118.log)
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382[00:54:05] <Dissent> its actually a bit of both
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383[00:54:37] <Dissent> making progress
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385[00:55:15] <SynrG> err, ampache?
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388[00:55:46] <SynrG> ampache is not apache ...
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390[00:56:12] <SynrG> how does this relate?
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392[00:56:34] <Pavr> he's hosting it using apache. and
having issues with permissions.
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393[00:56:40] <SynrG> ok. i just read a bit of the backlog.
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394[00:57:18] <Dissent> I got the log working
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395[00:57:22] <SynrG> ampache is a third-party component not
provided by debian?
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396[00:57:25] <Dissent> ty, I understanda biut better now
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397[00:57:31] <Dissent> ampache is famous software man
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398[00:57:31] <somiaj> SynrG: there is a debian package, i
already suggested it
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399[00:57:40] <Dissent> the debian package has no upload
functionality
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400[00:57:44] <Dissent> its too out of datew
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401[00:57:58] <SynrG> i don't see anything in testing. has
it been removed?
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403[00:58:10] <somiaj> oh maybe, i only see it in jessie, wonder
why it was removed
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404[00:58:20] <SynrG> from lack of being maintained?
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405[00:58:27] <SynrG> sounds like a real winner :p
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406[00:58:34] <somiaj>
replaced-url
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407[00:58:39] <Dissent> its really, really good.
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408[00:58:39] <SynrG> consider an alternative that is in debian
perhaps?
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409[00:58:39] <somiaj> yea it was orphaned and outdated
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410[00:58:52] <SynrG> well, i can believe maybe it *was*
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412[00:59:00] <Dissent> I got a new version from the git
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413[00:59:09] <Dissent> not sure why its not in the package
manager
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414[00:59:11] <somiaj> It might be fine, just no on in debian
wants to spend the time to make it ready for debian users so you are
kinda left with making sure you follow upstreams install
instructions correctly.
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415[00:59:19] <somiaj> Dissent: read the link I just sent, it
will tell you why.
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416[00:59:24] <Dissent> ok
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417[00:59:51] <jelly> and hope their insta
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418[00:59:56] <jelly> ructions are not broken
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460[01:31:48] <KidBeta> Hi guys im having trouble with my intel
7260 wifi card in debian and was wondering where would be the best
channel to goto to get help?.
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472[01:41:36] <KidBeta> running debian 8.6 with a intel 7260
(rev 73) and im getting an error every time i try and connect to a
wifi network that is "No association and the time event is over
already..." after it previously says that is authenticated.
iwlwifi is loading iwlwifi-7260-9.ucode. I have tried tricking it by
renaming 7260-13.ucode to 7260-9.ucode, didnt work so I swapped them
back. I have 7260-13.ucode in /lib/firmware but im not sure itll fix
the problem.
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474[01:43:03] <KidBeta> I also get an aborting authentication
MAC_ADDRESS by local choice (Reason: 3=DEUATH_LEAVING) soon after
the "No assocation..."
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562[02:30:03] <steven_is_false> How can I blacklist an
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563[02:31:24] <gry> you mean unset?
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570[02:33:31] <stew> steven_is_false: so then you must be using
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571[02:33:40] <stew> but you are telling it to send something
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572[02:33:52] <steven_is_false> stew: There's a default
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576[02:34:18] <stew> steven_is_false: and you don't want to
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577[02:34:22] <steven_is_false> GNU Hurd doesn't seem to
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578[02:34:34] <steven_is_false> or at least en_CA.UTF-8
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579[02:35:00] <stew> so isn't the answer to change SendEnv
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580[02:35:30] <steven_is_false> stew: I'd rather change
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581[02:35:41] <stew> yes, certainly that's what I'd
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1113[05:40:51] <^v> (on sid)
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1114[05:41:33] <^v> i get an audio source but its silent
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1207[06:51:40] <heston> there really doesnt seem to be much in
the jessie backports :/
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1214[06:54:55] <heston> well jessie has an ancient version xfce
and gtk-redshift(which doesnt work) and there's no backports
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1215[06:55:28] <heston> version of*
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1220[06:59:24] <missmbob> heston: i backported redshift if you
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1224[07:04:30] <heston> missmbob, nice, you did lighdm and
light-locker too. Looks like you have a bunch of good one. Now it
comes down to trust
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1225[07:04:38] <heston> ones*
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1229[07:08:06] <heston> missmbob, I dont suppose you could
provide the makefile
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1232[07:08:48] <missmbob> heston: it's in the source dir. i
have the source on there for everything
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1234[07:09:28] <themill> heston: if you're looking for lots
of backports, it might be time to look at stretch given that it is
all but frozen at this stage
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1239[07:11:31] <heston> Not sure what to expect with the Testing
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1240[07:11:50] <themill> something that is very close to being
releasable, I hope
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1241[07:12:22] <heston> missmbob, ah right, I missed that. Cool
thanks
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1270[07:33:36] <darxmurf> hi all
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1303[07:48:55] <M4dH4TT3r2> Hello, I'm having some troubles
with an nvidia graphics card installation, I have tried several tuts
ending in the same results of booting to a black screen with a
blinking underscore, with ctrl+alt+f1 I have terminal and have setup
networking so I have internet access from there. Most of the tuts
have me install the nvidia-driver and run nvidia-xconfig, currently
when I try to startx or restart gdm3 I get "xinit: unable to
connect to X server: connection r
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1309[07:51:23] <darxmurf> M4dH4TT3r2: what's the result of
"lsmod | grep nouveau" ?
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1313[07:52:29] <M4dH4TT3r2> Just goes to the next line, no result
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1314[07:52:49] <darxmurf> and lsmod | grep nvidia ?
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1321[07:54:28] <darxmurf> did you install the driver using the
Nvidia installer or the debian package ?
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1323[07:55:59] <M4dH4TT3r2> Shows nvidia, some numbers, 0 /n drm,
some numbers, 5, ttm, drm_kms_helper, mgag200, nvidia /n i2c_core,
some numbers, 6, drm, 12c_i801, drm_kms_helper, mgag200,
i2c_algo_bit, nvidia
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1324[07:56:23] <darxmurf> okay, so it's loaded
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1325[07:56:29] <M4dH4TT3r2> I've tried both darxmurf, most
recently the debian pkg
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1326[07:57:16] <darxmurf> and if you try to restart your
Graphical Manager what's the result ?
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1327[07:57:46] <tdn_> On my Debian 7 servers, my ssh servers does
only have a single RSA host key. But on my Debian 8 servers, there
seems to be three host keys for each ssh server: RSA, EDSA and
ED25519. What is the reason for adding the two extra ssh host keys
on debian 8? What are the implications of removing all but one
(RSA)?
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1328[07:58:10] <darxmurf> M4dH4TT3r2: in another terminal, launch
this: tail -f /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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1329[07:58:18] <M4dH4TT3r2> It loads to a black screen with a
blinking underscore after I select debian in grub. My only option
from there is ctrl+alt+f1
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1330[07:58:40] <darxmurf> which graphical manager is installed ?
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1331[07:58:47] <darxmurf> gdm ?
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1332[07:58:51] <M4dH4TT3r2> Gdm3
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1333[07:58:59] <towo^work> before x-log better would be a lspci |
egrep -i "vga|display|3d"
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1334[07:59:21] <darxmurf> true
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1338[08:00:30] <M4dH4TT3r2> Shows 2, Matrox and nvidia
controllers
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1340[08:01:01] <M4dH4TT3r2> Both listed as vga compatible
controllers
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1343[08:01:50] <M4dH4TT3r2> I think Matrox is the embedded
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1345[08:02:19] <M4dH4TT3r2> Which is what I'm using to get
this terminal
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1347[08:02:55] <Vialas|2> hello everyone
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1349[08:03:25] <Vialas|2> jelly: hello mate, you still here?
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1350[08:03:32] <Vialas|2> hi somiaj hellooooooo
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1352[08:04:20] <Vialas|2> ive 'successfuly' installed
Debian onto my computer for now the 8th time
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1353[08:04:27] <Vialas|2> i seem to be having an issue with
graphics driver?
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1354[08:04:34] <M4dH4TT3r2> Me too
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1355[08:04:45] <Vialas|2> whats your issue M4dH4TT3r2?
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1357[08:04:49] <M4dH4TT3r2> 8th was 2 days ago
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1358[08:04:55] <M4dH4TT3r2> Nvidia
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1359[08:05:14] <Vialas|2> dang
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1360[08:05:20] <M4dH4TT3r2> Hello, I'm having some troubles
with an nvidia graphics card installation, I have tried several tuts
ending in the same results of booting to a black screen with a
blinking underscore, with ctrl+alt+f1 I have terminal and have setup
networking so I have internet access from there. Most of the tuts
have me install the nvidia-driver and run nvidia-xconfig, currently
when I try to startx or restart gdm3 I get "xinit: unable to
connect to X server: connection r
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1362[08:05:44] <M4dH4TT3r2> Ya...
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1363[08:05:49] <Vialas|2> your better off than me M4dH4TT3r2 :(
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1365[08:05:59] <Vialas|2> my issue causes my comptuer to freeze
it wont do anything
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1370[08:06:25] <M4dH4TT3r2> How so? I been at this 2 days and
this is as far as I've gotten :(
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1371[08:06:32] <Vialas|2> tried botting into level 3 but still no
joy
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1373[08:07:05] <M4dH4TT3r2> Hello bazhang long time no see
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1376[08:07:21] <Vialas|2> hmm irc crashed on me :(
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1377[08:07:56] <Vialas|2> no joy :(
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1379[08:08:04] <slax0r> hi, is it possible to run a script when a
display is connected/disconnected?
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1380[08:08:11] <M4dH4TT3r2> Any ideas darxmurf or towo^work ?
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1397[08:17:03] <M4dH4TT3r2> lspci | egrep -i
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1405[08:20:01] <towo^work> M4dH4TT3r2, you need that matrox
device?
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1406[08:20:17] <M4dH4TT3r2> It's embedded so kinda
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1407[08:20:31] <M4dH4TT3r2> But I guess not
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1408[08:20:33] <towo^work> can you disable it in your bios?
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1410[08:21:04] <towo^work> as long the matrox is your primary
device, you cant use your nvidia card in the way you have tryed
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1411[08:21:06] <M4dH4TT3r2> No, tried looking for that
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1412[08:21:31] <M4dH4TT3r2> Ok can I rm it somehow?
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1413[08:21:43] <towo^work> rm what?
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1415[08:21:54] <M4dH4TT3r2> Or change so that nvidia is primary?
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1417[08:22:04] <M4dH4TT3r2> The Matrox dev
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1419[08:22:20] <towo^work> it's your hardware, i don't
know
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1420[08:22:39] <towo^work> if you can't set it in your bios,
i have no clue
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1421[08:22:40] <M4dH4TT3r2> I know but it would still need a
driver to exist
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1427[08:25:37] <M4dH4TT3r2> startx
replaced-url
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1435[08:28:54] <darxmurf> if you disable the embedded VGA chip it
will not be listed in linux then
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1436[08:29:16] <M4dH4TT3r2> xorg.conf
replaced-url
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1437[08:29:21] <mad_hatter> hey all -- so im doing a debian 8
install and I'm having a problem with debian supporting my
wireless card. Apparently, I need some non-free firmware for it to
be supported? Problem is I'm booting from a bootable USB stick
with the debian netinstal iso on it. Is there a way that I can load
the firmware onto the usb stick prior to booting from it so that the
installer will automatically 'see' it and install it?
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1440[08:30:03] <M4dH4TT3r2> Hi mad_hatter ...
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1441[08:30:18] <missmbob> !firmware iso
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1442[08:30:19] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
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1443[08:30:22] <missmbob> mad_hatter: ^
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1444[08:30:46] <smeert> hey guys
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1446[08:31:17] <smeert> can i configure ssh server to work with
passwords only from few IP's and from other IP's you need
a key?
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1447[08:31:28] <Zardoz> dpkg, you have that macro lmao that was
fast... lol
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1448[08:31:28] <dpkg> I resemble that remark!
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1451[08:32:10] <DexterF> hi
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1460[08:33:44] <mad_hatter> missmbob, thanks :)
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1464[08:34:11] <Zardoz> oh lmao
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1466[08:34:25] <Zardoz> dpkg, is a bot
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1467[08:34:26] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck
you're talking about, Zardoz
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1468[08:34:38] <Zardoz> haha
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1470[08:35:11] <DexterF> deb8+openbox, browser launch script in
~/bin/chromium.sh that launches chromium $URL. URL is sourced from
/etc/default/chromkiosk from within the script. now - when I put
chromium.sh in ~/.config/openbox/autostart it just launches chromium
but ignores $URL. when I run it manually from a terminal, it works.
why?
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1473[08:35:54] <J-BBB> anybody know when the proftpd bug will
fixed? ->
replaced-url
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1474[08:36:07] <missmbob> DexterF: sounds like you need quotes
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1475[08:36:13] <M4dH4TT3r2> Went into bios again, it's
already listed as "auto-detect" not
"embedded-video" which bios says if it auto detects
another controller it won't be the primary so that's not
the issue
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1480[08:38:08] <M4dH4TT3r2> Any ideas would be great...
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1486[08:40:59] <towo^work> M4dH4TT3r2, update-pciids &&
lspci | grep -i vga
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1492[08:42:54] <M4dH4TT3r2> Same output as last lspci u gave me
was, lists Matrox and nvidia controllers
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1494[08:43:56] <DexterF> missmbob, quotes where? around the
params in the default file, the programm call, its parameters..?
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1500[08:46:54] <towo^work> M4dH4TT3r2, what nvidia card that is?
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1501[08:47:13] <M4dH4TT3r2> Pny GeForce gt 710
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1503[08:47:27] <M4dH4TT3r2> New
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1504[08:47:47] <darxmurf> and which nvidia driver version ?
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1507[08:48:20] <sawk> hello everyone
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1508[08:48:29] <M4dH4TT3r2> How do I check that
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1511[08:49:09] <darxmurf> dpkg -l | grep nvidia
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1512[08:49:09] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep nvidia
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1514[08:49:24] <sawk> does someone experimented random freeze
with debian stretch and intel graphics drivers? I have a Thinkpad
T410 that is working fine on Debian Jessie, but it's having
freeze (then reboot) in stretch
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1517[08:50:02] <mad_hatter> so I downloaded the firmware netinst
ISO, and I don't get the firmware errors anymore, but it fails
to configure my network still with the error 'your network is
probably not using DHCP protocol'
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1519[08:50:10] <darxmurf> M4dH4TT3r2: on nvidia website they
propose the 375.26
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1520[08:50:11] <towo^work> sawk, apt purge
xserver-xorg-video-intel
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1522[08:50:29] <sawk> towo^work, I'm using wayland. Is that
working anyway?
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1523[08:50:43] <darxmurf> M4dH4TT3r2:
replaced-url
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1524[08:50:49] <sawk> (first time i use wayland :) )
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1526[08:50:57] <M4dH4TT3r2>
replaced-url
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1527[08:51:27] <mad_hatter> any ideas what could be going on?
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1528[08:51:28] <darxmurf> which debian version are you running ?
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1529[08:51:42] <M4dH4TT3r2> Yeah that was first one I tried
darxmurf
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1530[08:51:48] <M4dH4TT3r2> Jessie 8
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1532[08:52:08] <darxmurf> you could install it without problem ?
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1533[08:52:14] <darxmurf> (the driver)
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1535[08:52:27] <M4dH4TT3r2> Yeah but reboot brought me to same
place I am now
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1541[08:54:07] <darxmurf> I would anyway remove and clean the
actual driver and X configuration, install the nvidia one and
recreate a xorg.conf (it will ask you in the end of the
installation)
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1542[08:54:26] <darxmurf> then reboot and see
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1543[08:54:52] <darxmurf> in you startx picture it says "no
screen found" which is also a bit weird
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1545[08:55:01] <M4dH4TT3r2> Ya
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1546[08:55:18] <M4dH4TT3r2> I have done what u mentioned there a
few times
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1560[08:59:02] <towo^work> sawk, yes, it would
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1563[08:59:16] <towo^work> sawk, since even modesetting supports
wayland
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1564[08:59:20] <davidbo> Hi, my asrock eth0 isn't working,
but i found a ubuntu workout. I should add the line "exec rmmod
forcedeth" at next line of "script" in the file
/etc/init/module-init-tools.conf. But debian jessie doesn't
seem to have it. Where should i place this line?
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1565[08:59:30] <sawk> ok thank towo^work
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1566[08:59:38] <sawk> towo^work, i'm going to try...
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1573[09:01:23] <missmbob> davidbo: you can just create that file
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1577[09:03:55] <davidbo> missmbob, I'll try that.
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1587[09:07:16] <DexterF> missmbob: duuuh... I mistyped
#!/bin/bash without the ! and it just parsed it but did not
interpret the bash, so it did not source the config file because
source is a bash builtin. I spent days on that :D
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1596[09:12:10] <laapstor> hello can you tell me how to identify
sub domain from a tdl or how does the dns protocol identifies it.
For example we have to two subdomains ba.co.google.com how does it
know that co isn't a domain but a subdomain ??????
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1601[09:15:40] <laapstor> anyone got an answer
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1612[09:21:02] <DexterF> laapstor, what's the debian
specific part?
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1620[09:25:02] <laapstor> The debian part is when i use the
debian's host and nslookup command to look up dns but the thing
is how does this command know the differences ....???
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1627[09:30:01] <grawity> laapstor: it doesn't *care*
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1632[09:30:09] <grawity> there is no difference
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1635[09:31:24] <grawity> the reason 'com.' is called a
TLD isn't because it's "com" but because
it's the last item
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both host and nslookup have issues
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1673[09:50:47] <macsim> hi, postfix package include sqlite
support ?
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1685[09:52:54] <missmbob> macsim: yes
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1687[09:53:16] <RedBug> macsim: yes, the postfix depend : sed
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1693[09:53:39] <macsim> missmbob: thanks, how can I check that
kind of things ?
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1694[09:53:54] <macsim> just on depend ?
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1695[09:54:10] <missmbob> yes it depends on postfix
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1754[10:13:10] <dionysus69> one question, should I delete the
ruby 2.3.3 that comes with debian? for example, if I removed all rvm
rubies, there was still ruby that comes with debian, wondering if it
is safe.
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1771[10:23:28] <Psy-Q> dionysus69: depends quite a lot on what
else you have installed. that ruby could be a dependency of
something completely different, in which case you'd have to
leave it there
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1772[10:23:51] <Psy-Q> the system rubies don't interfere
with ruby version managers usually (at least not with rvm and
rbenv). so on a per-user basis, you can still easily switch between
the system ruby and a local user ruby
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1776[10:24:43] <Psy-Q> if you run e.g. Phusion Passenger it will
install a system ruby anyway and use that inside apache (but allow
you to pick different RVM or rbenv rubies for each Rack application
you want to host inside apache)
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1778[10:25:24] <Psy-Q> so if you only ever need some per-user
rubies and don't have anything that depends on a system ruby,
you can remove it :)
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1783[10:26:52] <fireant> dionysus69: you can delete it and use
blank ruby pkg satisfying dependencies
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1808[10:33:53] <dionysus69> Psy-Q, fireant: ruby -v shows the
ruby that rvm controls, so I think system ruby wouldn't even be
in reach for any possible dependency
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1809[10:34:03] <dionysus69> and what is blank ruby pkg ? :D
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1811[10:34:37] <dionysus69> if rvm ruby is in path, it will
satisfy dependencies right? unless some dependency isnt pointing to
the ruby executable with a static url
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1814[10:35:19] <fireant> empty dummy pkg
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1815[10:35:25] <fireant> named ruby
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1825[10:39:09] <Psy-Q> rvm does some shell shenanigans to insert
its local ruby into the PATH before any other one
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1826[10:39:37] <Psy-Q> so if one is set, that always takes
precedence. but it will not satisfy dependencies unless there is
also a package as fireant says
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1828[10:40:24] <Psy-Q> if you run rvm as root, it will install to
/usr/local/bin/ruby IIRC, so scripts should find it there. but the
package manager won't know it
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1850[10:52:52] <dionysus69> ye I guess I ll leave system ruby
alone
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1851[10:52:56] <dionysus69> not that of a big deal
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1854[10:53:01] <dionysus69> thanks all
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1855[10:53:16] <treaki_> hi folks
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1856[10:53:33] <treaki_> i am using debian with mate desktop and
a lot of grafical programms (windows) opened
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1857[10:53:48] <treaki_> problem is that right now the auto
switch of of my screen (dpms) dosent work
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1859[10:54:28] <treaki_> and i see somethimes that the
screensaver is interupted to something like user input, but there
are no user input i am sure about
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1863[10:55:17] <treaki_> so how can i now find out which of the
manny programms i have running is causing this and maybe prohibit
that other programms than i allow are able to prohibit screen shut
down?
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1865[10:55:21] <treaki_> thanks in advance
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1867[10:55:31] <seph> is there an official ntp server for debian?
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1868[10:55:44] <seph> ive noticed im using ubuntus even on my
debian server
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1869[10:55:55] <jim> hi, I need to get squeeze packages,
isn't squeeze archived?
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1872[10:57:01] <beneroth> hi, where to find an ETA for openSSL
fixes for wheezy (like for
replaced-url
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1926[11:14:52] <Red_M> Hey is anyone around?
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1927[11:15:13] <Red_M> I have a potiental regression issue with
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1990[11:30:13] <Josh> Heyho Guys :)
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1996[11:30:40] <Guest37005> Could someone from you help me with a
lil' problemß
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1997[11:30:42] <kyellow> hey everyone
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2002[11:32:23] <Guest37005> I have the task to compile the
"pwgen" package. But the exact task is to stop at the
second step "make" and finish there without installing the
package itself (so without the make install command). My question
now is: how am I able to open the programm "pwgen" from
every directory without fully installing it. I know there is a way,
but i don't know the way :D
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2032[11:45:16] <n4dir> mkdir ~/bin; cp pwgen ~/bin
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2091[12:13:46] <g0zzy> In Jessie Live looking at non-booting
Jessie on disk. Do i have to chroot to reinstall grub or can i just
reinstall directly?
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2094[12:15:04] <xXEoflaOEXx> g0zzy, use fdisk -l to check your
disk then do sudo grub-install /dev/sdaX or /dev/hdaX then
grub-update.
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2095[12:16:47] <nwe> mm hello, how can I set IPAPPEND2 for
efidefault (pxeboot)
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2109[12:21:52] <g0zzy> xXEoflaOEXx: it won't stupidly
include the USB live in the boot menu will it? ;)
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2111[12:23:12] <xXEoflaOEXx> g0zzy, Maybe it is not mounted.
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2113[12:23:54] <g0zzy> Not with you ..?
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2114[12:24:09] <petn-randall> Red_M: There are many people
around. Better to ask your question, and someone who knows will be
able to respond.
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2117[12:26:28] <sawk> does someone have a Thinkpad with Debian on
it?
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2118[12:26:42] <petn-randall> !survez
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2119[12:26:46] <petn-randall> !survey
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2120[12:26:46] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, survey is
Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless
conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask.
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2124[12:27:15] <xXEoflaOEXx> g0zzy, If it is not mounted then yes
it does not. If it is mounted, then no, it does include it.
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2126[12:27:59] <petn-randall> sawk: ^^^
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2128[12:28:35] <g0zzy> Thanks
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2131[12:28:53] <sawk> petn-randall, i'm having issues with
Debian since I upgraded to stretch...the system freeze and reboot in
random occasions
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2132[12:29:06] <sawk> T410 is the model
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2135[12:29:39] <xXEoflaOEXx> sawk, Is it IBM Thinkpad or Lenovo
Thinkpad?
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2136[12:29:40] <sawk> tried to remove the intel drivers,
installing the non-free microcode, but the issue didn't go away
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2137[12:29:46] <sawk> Lenovo
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2143[12:30:43] <xXEoflaOEXx> sawk, stretch is not as stable. How
about staying with Jessie or do you want the beta version?
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2146[12:32:11] * g0zzy has reconsidered: will use System Rescue
Disk's 'boot another linux' utility - that will
eliminate other media
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2147[12:32:19] <petn-randall> sawk: Do you have a way to rule out
hardware problems?
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2148[12:32:21] <sawk> xXEoflaOEXx, I used Jessie in the past, but
I seen thet stretch touched the RC1 release, which is usually stable
enough for me
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2151[12:32:30] <ossii> &win 57
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2152[12:32:54] <xXEoflaOEXx> sawk, Jessie is the stable release.
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2153[12:32:57] <sawk> petn-randall, I can't find a way to
reproduce the bug, because it's random and it freeze the whole
computer
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2155[12:33:29] <sawk> xXEoflaOEXx, yeah, but packages are also
really old
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2156[12:33:51] <sawk> I needed few upgrades as GNOME and wayland
to try out
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2160[12:34:37] <petn-randall> sawk: Do you use suspend/hibernate
before this happens?
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2161[12:34:42] * g0zzy finds out (aargh) that System Rescue CD
won't cope with systemd
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2162[12:35:06] <sawk> petn-randall, I don't use suspend or
hibernate. Only dark screen when lid is closed
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2165[12:35:59] <petn-randall> sawk: First thing I'd do when
it happens is try to ping and ssh into it from another machine, to
check if it's just a graphical issue.
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2166[12:36:06] <xXEoflaOEXx> sawk, Yes, They will be. How about
waiting until squeeze is stable? maybe that is the known bug on
squeeze that some users should expect.
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2169[12:36:45] <petn-randall> sawk: As a rule of thumb, the
non-free CPU firmware helps against such glitches.
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2171[12:36:59] <petn-randall> sawk: Let's continue on the
right channel, I'm also there.
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2172[12:37:02] <petn-randall> !debian-next
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2173[12:37:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2174[12:37:03] <sawk> petn-randall, You are right, but what
abound the reboot? It looks like the kernel stucks and it reboots
the machine
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2175[12:37:23] <sawk> * Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only).
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2176[12:37:24] <sawk> ;-)
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2177[12:37:49] <sawk> was a joke
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2179[12:38:21] <xXEoflaOEXx> sawk, That means you create a new
server to oftc and join #debian-next.
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2180[12:38:36] <sawk> of course I know.. but i'm using ZNC..
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2182[12:38:48] <sawk> I need to configure it for 1 channel only
:)
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2186[12:40:26] <petn-randall> sawk: This is the only Debian
channel on freenode, pretty much all the others are on oftc.
It's also the default for all IRC clients in Debian packages.
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2190[12:40:41] <sawk> petn-randall, i see
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2192[12:41:09] <petn-randall> it = OFTC
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2220[12:54:12] <MaxLanar> Hi, I have two outputs on my debian
desktop : a VGA screen & an HDMI video-projector (VP). I boot my
box and everything 's working well, I can choose the
resolutions and the location (above, right, etc) of the screens with
the default GUI tool coming with LXDE. The issue is the audio is
output to my VP, wich has a weak speaker, and I can't manage to
output it to my pc default sound card. The only way is to disable
the VP, and then I'm
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2221[12:54:12] <MaxLanar> able to enable the other sound card
(with pavucontrol). But then I can't activate again the VP (the
option's gone in the LXDE tool & xrandrd on CLI give me an
"xrandr: cannot find crtc for output eDP-0"). graphic card
: Integrated HD Grahics 530. What can I do to solve those issues ?
(I can live without being able to activate again my VP (I'll
don't deactivate it or just reboot), but to not be able to have
decent sound while using my VP
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2222[12:54:13] <MaxLanar> is very annoying).
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2223[12:54:14] <xXEoflaOEXx> I edited all the sources of apt from
jessie to squeeze, after I saved it, I tried to do apt-get update
but came with the error of squeeze/main and squeeze-updates/main. in
binary-i386 about having Packages file not found.
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2224[12:54:35] <sawk> I eventually found this
replaced-url
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2226[12:54:41] <sawk> so i'll try that the next time
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2229[12:55:36] <xXEoflaOEXx> I am on VirtrualBox VM and not on my
second computer.
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2230[12:55:38] <g0zzy> Hmm. Looks like the problem goes further
than just the boot sector. I got a 20GB SSD and e2fsck says that
corruption is such that auto repair is not possible. How can a
recent (< 1 month) Jessie install go so bad so quickly?
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2240[13:00:39] <xXEoflaOEXx>
replaced-url
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2242[13:00:51] <jelly> g0zzy: hardware issues? Bad power? Could
be lots of reasons
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2244[13:01:31] <g0zzy> I want to be careful before i start
complaining to the SSD vencor
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2245[13:01:35] <g0zzy> vendor
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2247[13:02:29] <g0zzy> It's a laptop with a decent battery
so sudden power loss can probably be eliminated
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2248[13:02:35] <j3roen> Try running 'smart' tooling to
see if the disk has issues
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2250[13:02:51] <xXEoflaOEXx> g0zzy, do fdisk -l and then do fsck
on /dev/hdXY, or /dev/sdXY.
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2253[13:03:13] <g0zzy> Shall try smart
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2254[13:03:27] <xXEoflaOEXx> g0zzy, in my case, it is /dev/sda1
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2259[13:05:14] <phre4k> hi, is there an installer with a kernel
>= 3.19 apart from the testing ISO?
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2261[13:05:43] <petn-randall> xXEoflaOEXx: What are you
expecting? First, you can't downgrade releases, from jessie to
squeeze is *two* releases backwards. Second, squeeze isn't
supported anymore, so it's repository is archived.
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2264[13:06:49] <xXEoflaOEXx> petn-randall, OK. Thanks, I thiught
squeeze is the new release but it turned out it is old.
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2267[13:08:17] <petn-randall> xXEoflaOEXx:
replaced-url
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2273[13:09:41] <g0zzy> Has passed smart health test. Also passed
badblocks on read test
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2277[13:11:42] <g0zzy> I mean it's bad enough to refuse to
mount from a Live
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2279[13:12:56] <unborn> hi all, there was someone posting me link
why not to use virtualmin - it was something like tell unborn about
why... can anyone repost this again.. I finally managed everything
doing by hand and configs...perhaps good time to move out from
virtualmin... thanks :)
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2280[13:13:06] <xXEoflaOEXx> petn-randall, so it is stretch.
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2281[13:13:06] <petn-randall> g0zzy: Resumed from swap after
another OS edited the filesystem? That's how I got to reinstall
the last time.
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2282[13:13:37] <petn-randall> xXEoflaOEXx: Depends on why and
what you want to do.
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2283[13:13:49] <petn-randall> xXEoflaOEXx: If you want newer
software, jessie-backports is a better choice.
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2284[13:13:55] <xXEoflaOEXx> petn-randall, OK.
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2285[13:14:02] <g0zzy> petn-randall: Not in this case. I would
guess that such extensive FS corruption is not likely to be caused
by another component of the laptop, is it?
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2287[13:15:44] <petn-randall> g0zzy: If you open the filesystem
with another OS, then the hibernated Debian will know nothing of
these changes and on resume use the old data, thrashing the
filesystem.
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2290[13:16:15] <petn-randall> g0zzy: There are a few ways to
severely corrupt your filesystem, but they all take active measures
to accomplish this.
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2291[13:16:16] <xorox90> Is there anyone who setup nfs+kerberos
on debian? I follow this manual but encounter permission denied
error..
replaced-url
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2292[13:16:34] <xXEoflaOEXx> xorox90, did you use sudo?
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2293[13:16:38] <g0zzy> Yes, i think that scenario here is highly
unlikely. I replaced a dud HD with a cheap (small) SSD from Ebay
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2294[13:16:58] <xorox90> xXEoflaOEXx I've done all job with
root account
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2299[13:19:03] <xXEoflaOEXx> xorox90, Did you finish installation
or you are at the beginning?
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2305[13:21:22] <g0zzy> Is it time to invoke the warranty?
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2311[13:21:56] <jelly> g0zzy: cheap ssd may also be buggy ssd
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2322[13:25:52] <g0zzy> 20GB - 20GBP
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2327[13:27:20] <g0zzy> But it does have a 3 month warranty. And
here was i thinking that the only problem with SSD is likely to be
write wear. But what do you think the balance of prob. is that
it's a dosgy SSD?
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2332[13:29:18] <jelly> or one that has problems with a 2009
system
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2333[13:29:51] <g0zzy> 2009?
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2334[13:30:26] <jelly> a system from 2009
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2335[13:30:47] <jelly> the chipset and cpu in your T410.
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2338[13:31:42] <g0zzy> Ah it's not a T410. But i'm
typing this on one ;)
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2339[13:32:42] <g0zzy> It's a Presario CQ58. Not sure of
date
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2391[14:01:48] <g0zzy> Come on guys - let me poll you!
Probability that massive fs corruption in this case is the fault of
the disk?
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2396[14:05:56] <petn-randall> !bad poll
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2398[14:06:09] * petn-randall pokes dpkg
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2399[14:06:20] <petn-randall> !bad polls
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2400[14:06:20] <dpkg> The reasons we hate polls are because: 1)
they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate
when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2)
They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging
him or her in /msg. BAD! 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is
#debian.
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2403[14:07:28] <Zharf> I love the third one
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2407[14:08:27] <petn-randall> I like the end of 2). It reminds me
of president-elect's twitter messages.
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2408[14:09:00] <blackflow> It's huge!
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2413[14:12:00] <secross754> Anybody here know if Debian unstable
fully supports cups, I cannot seem to find the add-instances option
in localhost:163/admin
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2415[14:13:37] <tomcres> !debian-next
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2416[14:13:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2424[14:18:07] <themill> secross754: :631 not :163
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2428[14:18:45] <secross754> typo, :)
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2433[14:19:38] <Red_M> I have a potiental regression issue with
debian 8.7 to do with opensslzsdcasdasd
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2435[14:20:01] <Red_M> oops
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2436[14:20:04] <Red_M> iognore that
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2437[14:20:08] <secross754> I can add the printer okay, send jobs
to it, but want to make aliases with printer settings, change
resolution and paper type color type etc...
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2438[14:20:08] <somiaj> Red_M: have you checked the BTS? Oh
nevermind
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2440[14:20:46] <g0zzy> As for the end of 2), i'm just i
slightly desperate hack, not a hunting tiger
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2441[14:21:04] <Red_M> somiaj: what is that
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2442[14:21:16] <Red_M> I'm very distanced from the debian
community
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2444[14:21:25] <somiaj> Red_M: bug tracking system, all bugs,
including regression bugs should be reported there
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2446[14:21:34] <somiaj> g0zzy: what file system got corrupted?
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2453[14:23:28] <g0zzy> somiaj: the root. In Jessie
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2454[14:23:32] <Red_M> somiaj: som can I get some help with that?
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2455[14:24:07] <somiaj> g0zzy: I mean what file system? ext4,
btrfs, zfsonlinux, etc?
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2457[14:24:32] <somiaj> Red_M: I thought you said it wasn't
a bug in the end, but bugs.debian.org/packagename is a good first
place to see if the bug has been reported.
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2458[14:24:35] <g0zzy> ext4
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2459[14:24:40] <Red_M> it is
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2460[14:24:43] <Red_M> for 8.7
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2461[14:24:48] <Red_M> 8.6 is unaffected
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2462[14:25:05] <Red_M> but I can't narrow down the package
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2463[14:25:05] <somiaj> Red_M: then check the BTS of the package
that has the bug and see if anyone has reported it, if not report it
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2464[14:25:09] <somiaj> !reportbug
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2465[14:25:09] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
replaced-url
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2466[14:25:22] <somiaj> Red_M: if you explain it maybe someone
here can help suggest a package
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2467[14:25:40] <Red_M> I have a small list (I have auto upgrades
turned on)
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2468[14:25:43] <Red_M> with emails
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2469[14:25:52] <Red_M> but I also have a gdb bt
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2470[14:25:59] <somiaj> g0zzy: ext4 is the tried and well tested
filesystem. Corruption would most likely be hardware in my opinion
unless you have specifically done something strange with it.
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2472[14:26:42] <somiaj> g0zzy: any paticular errors youa re
getting from the filesystem?
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2473[14:27:04] <g0zzy> Well just well corrupted. It won't
even mount
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2475[14:27:07] <kardborren> Something is weird with my Mysql so
I'm trying reinstalling /etc/mysql via "reinstall" of
mysql-common in Synaptic. It recreates the /etc/mysql, but
doesn't create the my.cnf file. Am I missing something obvious,
why wouldn't it install that file, it's part of the
package, after all...
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2477[14:27:23] <somiaj> g0zzy: one thing you can try is boot from
a live system and fsck the filesystem.
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2478[14:27:28] <themill> dpkg: tell kardborren about confmiss
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2479[14:27:32] <Red_M> somiaj:
replaced-url
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2480[14:27:41] <g0zzy> Refuses to auto preen from a live - too
corrupt
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2483[14:28:14] <somiaj> Red_M: that paste doens't tell me
much, what program is crashing?
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2484[14:28:17] <kardborren> themill: How 'bout that, never
heard about it. Thanks
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2486[14:28:36] <somiaj> Red_M: is this a python script debian
provided, or a custom one that isnt' working with the python in
8.7?
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2487[14:28:40] <g0zzy> Even when passing -y to e2fsck i'd
probably be there all day re-running it
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2489[14:28:50] <Red_M> somiaj: I have python doing SSL with the
builtin SSL for a web server
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2490[14:28:55] <Red_M> non-debian
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2491[14:29:10] <Red_M> but a change in a package has caused the
problem
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2492[14:29:13] <somiaj> g0zzy: do you see any hardware issues
spouting in dmesg?
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2493[14:29:17] <phre4k> hi, is there an installer ISO with a
kernel >= 3.19 apart from the testing ISO?
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2498[14:29:49] <g0zzy> Good point. I should have looked - but
didn't
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2501[14:30:49] <phre4k> the real question probably is if 8.7 has
a kernel >= 3.19
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2503[14:31:40] <somiaj> phre4k: you can get a 4.8 kernel from
jessie-backports, but you can't do this from the installer, you
have to install it after
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2504[14:31:42] <abrotman> phre4k: you can make your own if
you'd really like
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2505[14:31:48] <somiaj> phre4k: are you able to at least install
on the 3.16 kernel?
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2506[14:31:52] <abrotman> phre4k: but nothing exists currently
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2512[14:34:39] <somiaj> Red_M: on my system the only python
package I saw updated recentally was python-uno
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2515[14:35:14] <watmm> Hi, i'm having problem that i believe
are jenkins related but i'm not sure. My swap usage grows and
never decline. Examining /proc/*/status for VmSwap also shows little
usage. Has anyone got a suggestions for better examining what's
being stored in swap?
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2517[14:35:37] <somiaj> Red_M: check the logs of the upgrade in
/var/log/apt or aptitude if you used aptitude, and then manually
downgrade libs you think could be related to this until you identify
the package that caused this regression. If you don't have
copies of the old packages you can find them on snapshot.debian.org
for trying to track down the buggy package.
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2518[14:35:48] <somiaj> Red_M: I'm not that familar with
what you are doing to have more suggestion than start digging.
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2519[14:36:09] <rly> How can I make aunpack non-interactive? I.e.
I want it to overwrite all files and not ask *any* questions. Doing
-f does *not* do this.
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2520[14:36:16] <Red_M> somiaj: thanks
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2524[14:37:30] <somiaj> rly: unpack of what?
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2525[14:38:04] <rly> somiaj: zip archive.
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2526[14:38:25] <somiaj> rly: with unzip?
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2527[14:38:26] <g0zzy> somiaj: couple of firmware bugs, but maybe
they're not too bad? [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux)
query ignored [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: No _BQC method, cannot determine
initial brightness. Latter looks like just a display thing.
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2530[14:38:50] <somiaj> g0zzy: that shouldn't be a problem,
I would look for errors related to your disks.
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2531[14:39:11] <rly> somiaj: yes
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2534[14:39:28] <rly> somiaj: or whatever is default, but it looks
like unzip.
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2535[14:39:43] <g0zzy> EXT4-fs (sda1): group descriptors
corrupted! (when trying to mount /dev/sda1)
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2545[14:42:43] <g0zzy> somiaj:
replaced-url
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2546[14:43:00] <somiaj> rly: unzip -h show this option, -o
overwrite files WITHOUT prompting
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2548[14:43:21] <g0zzy> Isn't that what is technically known
as 'fooked'?
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2549[14:43:56] <Hestben> g0zzy: I doesn't sound very well
for that disk
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2550[14:44:21] <somiaj> g0zzy: yae seems your file system is
corrupt. Unsure why, or if it is hardware related. Since you
don't seem to be getting any i/o errors or other hardware
errors from your drive it could be something happened and corrupted
the filesystem. You'll have to reinstall/recover from backups
it seems. If this happens again then I would suppect hardware, but
not sure on what is happening
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2551[14:44:27] <g0zzy> But wtf happened to it i wonder?
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2552[14:44:29] <Hestben> g0zzy: S.M.A.R.T may also deem it dying.
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2553[14:44:40] <secross754> what did he do, unzip to a device or
partition?
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2554[14:45:08] <g0zzy> Hestben: smart passes it actually.
badblocks read too
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2558[14:45:56] <Hestben> g0zzy: Then, as somiaj says, it might be
limited to the file system.
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2559[14:46:02] <g0zzy> somiaj: do you think some kind of power
surge might have been the cause?
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2564[14:47:00] <Vamp898> Hi there, due to a new dependency,
unattended-upgrades is holding back packages. I tried setting
APT::Get::Upgrade-Allow-New "true"; but still he
doesn't want to upgrade those packages. apt upgrade would do it
just fine though... any idea how to change this behaviour?
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2565[14:47:29] <somiaj> g0zzy: corruption is very rare on ext4
filesystems. But things can cause it, but I can't guess if it
is something like a power outtage (that would be very rare),
hardware, or something you did.
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2566[14:47:55] <somiaj> Vamp898: what version of debian is this,
and what packages are being held back, not there is a difference
between 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade'
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2567[14:47:57] <TomTomTosch> Vamp898: dist-upgrade allows the
installation of new dependencies.
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2569[14:48:13] <Red_M> somiaj: python-crypto
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2570[14:48:16] <rly> somiaj: that was not what I wanted to know
and I already had found that option. I found an acceptable solution
now, which *does* work in all cases.
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2571[14:48:16] <Vamp898> TomTomTosch: Is there a way to make
unattended-upgrades use dist-upgrade?
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2572[14:48:17] <beneroth> hi, where to find an ETA for openSSL
fixes for wheezy (like for
replaced-url
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2573[14:48:57] <rly> somiaj: I think unzip just has a bug.
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2575[14:49:19] <Red_M> beneroth: do you have the security repo
enabled and installed?
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2578[14:49:25] <somiaj> rly: works here just fine, unzip -o
foo.zip overwrites everythign with no errors.
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2579[14:49:29] <Vamp898> libandroid-properties1 is the new
dependency and "docker-engine liboxideqt-qmlplugin
liboxideqtcore0 liboxideqtquick0 oxideqt-codecs" are held back
due to this by unattended-upgrades
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2580[14:49:33] <rly> somiaj: now try it again.
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2582[14:50:12] * g0zzy thinks the plan should be to reinstall. If it
happens again, ditch the consumer-grade laptop
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2583[14:50:16] <rly> somiaj: unzip -f -o -q -d mydir myfile.zip
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2584[14:50:19] <rly> somiaj: try that.
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2585[14:50:31] <rly> somiaj: that's going to break for you
too.
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2587[14:50:50] <rly> somiaj: I just ran strace on it. unzip is
just a buggy program. Is there any replacement for it?
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2588[14:51:20] <Vamp898> @somiaj so in this specific case, its a
bunch of Ubuntu 14.04.5
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2589[14:51:25] <somiaj> rly: zip is not the prefered archiver on
linux. And it might just be the options you are mixing, -f and -o
sound like the conflict. -f is 'freshen existing files'
and -o is overwrite them.
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2590[14:51:27] * g0zzy often uses jar (Java JDK) instead
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2591[14:51:50] <somiaj> Vamp898: so this is an issue with ubuntu
packages and you are asking in Debian?
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2592[14:52:01] <beneroth> Red_M, I believe so, I have "deb
replaced-url
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2593[14:52:05] <rly> somiaj: if those options are conflicting, it
should warn for that with an error message.
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2594[14:52:06] <somiaj> g0zzy: tar is the standard archiver I
would sugest.
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2595[14:52:16] <rly> somiaj: but you are likely right.
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2596[14:52:20] <g0zzy> Yes, but it's not equiv to unzip
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2597[14:52:22] <somiaj> rly: I'm done, the -o option
overwrites everythign jsut fine for me.
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2598[14:52:26] <beneroth> Red_M, as I understand, there is no fix
yet packaged for wheezy:
replaced-url
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2599[14:52:27] <rly> somiaj: the zip is a given.
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2600[14:52:52] <g0zzy> ^^
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2601[14:53:07] <somiaj> rly: if there is a bug, report it to the
BTS or if you think it is in upstream, report a bug there.
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2602[14:53:30] <tomcres> p7zip-full also handles zip archives
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2603[14:53:47] <tomcres> ,i p7zip-full
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2604[14:53:48] <judd> Package p7zip-full (utils, optional) in
jessie/amd64: 7z and 7za file archivers with high compression ratio.
Version: 9.20.1~dfsg.1-4.1+deb8u2; Size: 902.6k; Installed: 3738k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
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2605[14:53:53] <somiaj> beneroth: you could ask on the wheezy-lts
mailing list and see if they respond. It seems at least for jessie
they are just going to include that fix in the next round of fixes,
maybe this will then get used in wheezy-lts
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2607[14:54:26] <beneroth> somiaj, alright, thank you! thanks to
Red_M too
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2608[14:54:38] <g0zzy> Thanks for the support folks
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2609[14:54:41] <somiaj> beneroth: but i'm just using the
info on the page you linked.
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2612[14:54:55] <somiaj> beneroth: i.e. [jessie] - openssl
<no-dsa> (Can be fixed along with the next round of openssl
vulnerabilities)
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2613[14:54:56] <rly> somiaj: I got unzip to work without extra
complexities for now. Thanks.
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2616[14:55:24] <beneroth> somiaj, yeah I know, I thought maybe
someone here as more information or knows where to look for an ETA
for wheezy.
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2621[14:55:57] <beneroth> somiaj, seems everything is there on
security-tracker or one need to contact the specific people then,
alright
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2623[14:56:15] <somiaj> beneroth: wheezy-lts is the team that is
supporting wheezy (since it isn't supported directly by
security -- only indirectly), I think they have a mailing list,
would be the place I would start if you want more info and not just
wait until they get around to it. Though I assume wheezy-lts team
will wait like jessie is.
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2626[14:57:26] <beneroth> somiaj, alright. yeah, makes sense they
handle it the same as the jessie team. I wasn't aware that
wheezy-lts is its own team - makes sense - thank you for explaining
:)
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2629[14:58:22] <somiaj> beneroth: yea debian security only
supports oldstable for about a year after the release, but starting
with squeeze a team has extened the life via seucirty support for
i386/amd64 only and only for server side packages.
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2630[14:58:26] <somiaj> !wheezy-lts
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2631[14:58:27] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7
"Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive
additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until
2018-05-31. See
replaced-url
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2635[14:59:34] <g0zzy> Oh just a quick one before i go - what
about the possibility of this kind of corruption being caused by the
laptop running on battery and that battery being removed while
booted?
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2636[14:59:54] <beneroth> g0zzy, thats a power failure, so yes,
well possible
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2637[15:00:40] <g0zzy> Right. Just that the scenario seems
unlikely. Will ask owner. Maybe fault battery, housing etc...
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2638[15:01:29] <beneroth> somiaj, thats good, yes, my case is
about a server, so wheezy-lts team should be doing openSSL fixes.
Thank you :)
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2639[15:01:56] <somiaj> g0zzy: ext4 is usually okay at recovering
from such outtages, but there are instances where it may not, maybe
the outtage occured during fsck or something major going on
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2644[15:03:32] <Red_M> somiaj: I rolled python-crypto back and
its now working with no segfaults
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2646[15:03:41] <Red_M> which is really dumb
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2647[15:03:50] <somiaj> Red_M: and if you upgrade it causes the
bug?
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2649[15:04:09] <Red_M> the bug is very consisitent with deb8u1
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2650[15:04:14] <Red_M> but not b2
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2652[15:04:31] <somiaj> Red_M:
replaced-url
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2654[15:04:47] <Red_M> I've responded to the paramiko one
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2655[15:04:50] <meghnath> hello
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2656[15:04:53] <jelly> somiaj: it's not just ext4, a
consumer ssd may actively lie it wrote something down when it's
still in its ram cache
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2658[15:05:05] <Red_M> adding that it is a showstopper for other
applications as well
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2659[15:05:09] <phre4k> somiaj: sadly not, some hardware issue. I
just install testing :D
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2660[15:05:12] <somiaj> Red_M: yea that one is the one I would
check.
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2662[15:05:30] <somiaj> phre4k: the other option is use a live cd
and debootstrap and manually install jessie and the kernel from
jessie-backports
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2663[15:06:08] <phre4k> somiaj: nice idea, will look into that.
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2667[15:07:03] <Red_M> ...
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2668[15:07:07] <somiaj> phre4k: note stretch is freezing, and
will be frozen feb 5th, and released sometime after. It still lacks
security support, but for a desktop if you can deal with no security
support until the release running strech may be advisable.
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2670[15:07:19] <Red_M> I think reportbug doesn't like me
sending from my gmail account
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2671[15:07:23] <Red_M> *likes
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2672[15:07:25] <Red_M> oh well
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2673[15:07:37] <somiaj> Red_M: it can, provided you set up exim
to forward through your gmail account
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2674[15:07:45] <Red_M> I haven't
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2675[15:07:57] <Red_M> it forward all local mail to my own
postfix install
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2676[15:08:00] <Red_M> *forwards
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2677[15:08:06] <somiaj> Red_M:
replaced-url
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2678[15:08:13] <Red_M> cbb
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2680[15:08:20] <somiaj> Red_M: yea report bug is going to use the
sendmail on your system, so will send mails using that
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2682[15:08:44] <somiaj> Red_M: if you have a smtp sever that
sends mails jsut fine you can use that, but you can also configure
the mta to use say gmails smtp server
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2683[15:08:45] <Red_M> I'll fix my machines then report a
bug tomorrow
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2685[15:09:16] <somiaj> Red_M: you can also just send a email
from gmail to bugnumber@bugs.debian.org, just select the send as
plain text option so it wraps thigns nicely
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2686[15:09:18] <Red_M> I'm tired and really bored (I've
been workign for ~16 hours now)
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2688[15:10:00] <somiaj> Red_M: yea the bug is reported, unless
you have info on how to fix it, at least you know it is a known
issue. Get some sleep
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2700[15:12:56] <Guest92653> I have this error
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2701[15:13:01] <Guest92653> root@glpi0:/home/serveur# apt-get
install clamav clamav-daemon
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2702[15:13:01] <Guest92653> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
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2703[15:13:01] <Guest92653> Construction de l'arbre des
dépendances
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2704[15:13:01] <Guest92653> Lecture des informations
d'état... Fait
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2705[15:13:01] <Guest92653> E: Le paquet webmin doit
être réinstallé, mais il est
impossible de trouver son archive.
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2706[15:13:01] <Guest92653> root@glpi0:/home/serveur#
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use
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2713[15:15:34] <Red_M> somiaj: now that I've done them all
I'll see if my entire cluster is fixed
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2718[15:16:55] <jelly> dpkg, tell Guest92653 about localized
errors
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2719[15:17:02] <jelly> dpkg, tell Guest92653 about basic apt
troubleshooting
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2721[15:17:50] <jelly> Guest92653: is this actual debian or a
derivative OS like raspbian?
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2724[15:18:29] <dwarfmut> hi guys...
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2726[15:18:39] <dynek> 4
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2727[15:19:02] <dwarfmut> if I install multilib in debian system,
its dangerous turn OS slower?
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2732[15:19:57] <gen01> Hey guys! Does anyone have a clue of how
to get the tcp.log from a dd-wrt router? I've added the public
ssh key to my router but after that I'm clueless of what to do.
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2737[15:21:39] <Red_M> somiaj: my cluster is fixed after
installing the b2 version
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2738[15:21:50] <Red_M> thanks for helping me mate
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2784[15:41:22] <Zoroaster> Chromium extensions can be installed
only if I put the --enabled-remote-extensions argument in sid.
Anyone know why?
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2785[15:42:04] <tomcres> !debian-next
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2786[15:42:04] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2788[15:42:21] <Zoroaster> My question still stands
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2789[15:42:52] <jelly> there's a better chance of it finding
a seat in the -next channel
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2790[15:42:55] <tomcres> your question is offtopic
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2791[15:43:21] <Zoroaster> tomcres, I would go there if it
wouldn't be on a different server
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2792[15:43:24] <teraflops> Zoroaster: stand as in I dont want to
join #debian-next, or as in I get no answer in #debian-next?
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2795[15:44:33] <teraflops> Zoroaster: but you have to ask there
before, your excuse is just nonsensical
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2798[15:45:03] <Zoroaster> Whatever...
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2799[15:45:10] <teraflops> !bail
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2802[15:45:54] <jelly> Zoroaster: the thing is, oftc =
irc.debian.org, it's _the_ main debian irc server, you're
more likely to have someone knowledgeable in sid there than this
lone channel on freenode that predominantly caters to stable
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2807[15:46:56] <Zoroaster> jelly, too much of a bother
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2808[15:47:01] <jelly> but hey, if connecting to a different
server is more important to your health than possibly getting actual
help, that's also a valid choice
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2809[15:47:10] <g0zzy> Just had a nasty thought: what if it *was*
that acpi firmware bug that caused the fs corruption?
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2811[15:47:24] <jelly> g0zzy: what if it were gremlins
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2814[15:48:07] <g0zzy> Well, i mean how likely is it?
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2817[15:48:38] <jelly> g0zzy: have you ever had or heard or read
about such a situation?
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2819[15:49:42] <g0zzy> Well no, but i don't have your vast
experience ;)
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2820[15:49:57] <jelly> neither have I
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2829[15:51:16] <g0zzy> OK. I'll consider that closed.
I'll proceed with a reinstall
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2857[16:04:21] <CuSn> Hi; using a recent install of debian. When
system idles out into suspend mode, I can't revive it by using
the keyboard or mouse. I can ssh into it, but still can't get
the display to reactivate. Is there some trick to this? (Linux
3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64)
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2891[16:15:16] <carp_> Hello! I am a newish user. Currently I
have Jessie and Grub freshly installed and working. I have an old
harddrive with xp installed on it. I have plugged it back in, but
how do I get it to show up on the grub boot menu so I can dual boot?
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2893[16:15:51] <somiaj> install the package os-prober and then
run update-grub
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2895[16:16:01] <somiaj> if that doesn't find it, then
you'll have to manually configure grub to boot
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2896[16:16:01] <carp_> Note I had this set up and working
properly a few months ago, but I cant figure out how to get grub to
see the xp hard drive
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2897[16:16:40] <petn-randall> carp_: what somiaj said should fix
it.
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2899[16:17:17] <carp_> hello somiaj. Right, ok that sounds
different from what I did the first time. If I recall right, it
pretty much just found it on its own and I didnt have to install
packages. But I will look into this more now, thankyou.
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2900[16:17:26] <carp_> thanks petn-randall
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2907[16:20:39] <carp_> By the way, the reason I am where I am at,
is because my Debian Jessie install, which was pretty much fresh in
terms of installed extras and no downloads etc (but a couple of
months old, used to just browsing the web occasionally) completely
broke hehe. It froze, and when I rebooted it would go to a black
screen. A long message about couldnt find orphaned nodes, and gave
me a command line. But I chose to just fresh reinstall the OS.
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2909[16:21:13] <CuSn> carp_: your hard drive may be failing.
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2910[16:21:15] <carp_> It seems to be working ok again now so I
will roll with it :)
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2914[16:22:06] <carp_> CuSn: hmm, that would be a shame. Its a
brand new hard drive western digital.
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2915[16:22:17] <CuSn> carp_: run smartctl diagnostics on the
drive to get a report. It may be about to go bad.
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2916[16:22:30] <carp_> righto
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2921[16:22:52] <CuSn> carp_: yeah, new ones typically don't
go bad, but a small number just happen to.
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2922[16:23:00] <carp_> i dont have anything saved on it apart
from the debian install. yeah
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2925[16:23:22] <CuSn> thats good. :-)
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2941[16:30:26] <grumpy> any one guide me about debian
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2942[16:30:39] <grumpy> i am ubuntu user
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2943[16:30:43] <grumpy> 16.04
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2946[16:31:25] <bezaban> !ask
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2947[16:31:25] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2949[16:32:22] <grumpy> ask! i wana learn debian step by step i
mean linux
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2951[16:33:03] <Pavr> you expect someone to guide you through
everything in here?
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2952[16:33:33] <pron> okay
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2957[16:33:40] <bezaban> grumpy: you won't get a personal
guide, but there is a lot of written documentation online. If you
encounter specific problems with your _debian_ system, this is a
good place to get help
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2958[16:33:41] <pron> debian what have you done with golang
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2959[16:33:42] <pron> :x
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2961[16:34:07] <grumpy> pavr i want to learn linux from someone
who can guide me daily n give me some task to do
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2962[16:34:07] <Pavr> grumpy, maybe google some articles about
"how to get started with linux"
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2963[16:34:37] <pron> anyone can give me tips how golang from
backports is ment to be used
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2964[16:34:52] <grumpy> Pavr i have tried but confused which to
chose which not
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2965[16:35:12] <carp_> ok, os-prober was already latest version,
and 'sudo update-grub' looks like it has worked. Going to
reboot now brb
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2966[16:35:23] <Pavr> grumpy, installing some variant of linux
would be a great place to begin. since you're here why not try
installing debian grumpy ?
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2969[16:36:46] <Pavr> !install
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2970[16:36:46] <dpkg> There are a myriad of different ways to
install Debian. See
replaced-url
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2971[16:36:47] <somiaj> grumpy: the netinstaller is fine to
install debian, if you are installing over wifi (which requires
non-free firmware for the network) you can use the unoffical
firmware installer.
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2972[16:36:49] <grumpy> Pavr i am using ubuntu 16.04 at home and
windows 10 in office where i spend mpre time
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2973[16:37:34] <grumpy> pavr can i use some terminal or online
emulation on my windows to learn linux
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2974[16:37:48] <grumpy> pavr or i heared about xen
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2975[16:37:51] <somiaj> grumpy: you can install debian in virtual
box from windows
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2976[16:38:12] <ScottPilgrim> grumpy, VirtualBox is free and easy
to use
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2977[16:38:18] <grumpy> somiaj can u guide step by step
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2978[16:38:32] <somiaj> grumpy: no, go read some of the docs.
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2979[16:38:41] <grumpy> wait i am going to switch on my windows
10
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2980[16:38:46] <Zardoz> I use KVM
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2982[16:39:34] <grumpy> i read but failed to install there is no
enough instruction for how to install virtual box
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2984[16:39:58] <ScottPilgrim> grumpy, you shouldn't even
need instructions for VirtualBox, just download and run the
installer
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2985[16:40:00] <Pavr> you click next in the installer
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2987[16:40:29] <bezaban> !doesnt work
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2988[16:40:30] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
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2989[16:40:30] <grumpy> any one tel me from where to download plz
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2990[16:40:51] <Pavr> you have to be trolling.
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2993[16:41:11] <somiaj> grumpy: you are asking for to much hand
holding, if you don't take some effort on your own, people will
be less inclined to help you.
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2996[16:41:32] <bezaban> lets just conclude debian isn't for
him
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2997[16:41:32] <JordiGH> youtube-dl is creating mkv files that
VLC says it doesn't have a codec for (what?! VLC failed to open
something?)
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2998[16:41:44] <somiaj> JordiGH: try mpv?
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2999[16:41:48] <JordiGH> How do I get VLC the MKV codecs it
needs.
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3002[16:41:58] <grumpy> i wanted to be just sure i install the
rite thing to begin learning
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3003[16:41:58] <somiaj> JordiGH: or it could be you are missing
some codec.
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3006[16:42:14] <ScottPilgrim> grump, go to
replaced-url
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3008[16:42:21] <JordiGH> somiaj: I didn't know it was
possible for VLC to be missing a codec.
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3010[16:42:40] <grumpy> thanks scot i install n then come back
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3011[16:42:55] <somiaj> JordiGH: Unsure, I would assume they
would all be installed. I don't use VLC, I've always used
mplayer, which the newer fork is mpv
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3012[16:42:55] <JordiGH> somiaj: Okay, mpv works. Now I just have
to learn its UI so I can listen to FFVII boss battle on repeat.
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3013[16:43:01] <grumpy> any specific virsion to install for
devian?
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3015[16:43:22] <ScottPilgrim> make sure you download the
"Windows host"
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3018[16:43:44] <ScottPilgrim> you will see it when you get to the
DL page
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3022[16:44:29] <grumpy> is there a virtual box for android?
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3024[16:44:51] <ScottPilgrim> no there is no VirtualBox for
Android
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3025[16:45:04] <grumpy> i m all the time with my android phone
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3027[16:45:15] <ScottPilgrim> interesting side-note... there *IS*
a DOSbox for Android, which will run up to Windows 3.11
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3028[16:45:24] <grumpy> ok scot i m going to install win host
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3029[16:45:36] <petn-randall> grumpy: You'll have to ask the
android folks. We only support and know about Debian in here.
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3030[16:46:10] <somiaj> grumpy: note this is a debian support
channel, so installing virtual box really isn't supported here.
But for the most part virtualbox is like most windows programs, it
should install and just work. Next download the debian netinstall
for jessie, and then point virtual box at it.
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3031[16:46:23] <n4dir> Well, perhaps that would be an option for
Android on VirtualBox
replaced-url
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3032[16:46:34] <grumpy> ok brd after done with virtual box
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3033[16:46:35] <somiaj> grumpy: well installing virtual box on
windows or andriod.
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3036[16:47:02] <grumpy> win 10
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3038[16:47:29] * petn-randall hands grumpy a /.
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3039[16:47:42] <petn-randall> ... or a windows 10 CD, whatever
you need.
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3040[16:47:46] <grumpy> i am going to install on my win 10
machine
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3041[16:47:51] <ScottPilgrim> Oh GOD! Who the hell wants Android
on x86?? :O
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3044[16:48:10] <ScottPilgrim> What a shame
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3045[16:48:23] <ScottPilgrim> I don't want Android on
anything
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3046[16:48:29] <grumpy> scot i am sorry if i made anyone feel bad
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3047[16:48:45] <jelly> I don't want to have to care about
OSes but...
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3048[16:48:49] <jelly> !nopony
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3049[16:48:55] <jelly> !nopony me
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3050[16:48:55] <dpkg> jelly:
replaced-url
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3051[16:48:56] <ScottPilgrim> no worries, i have time for some
hand-holding right now
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3052[16:48:58] <grumpy> i m beginner i make mistake i ask tol
many question
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3053[16:49:21] <Pavr> grumpy, take some of them and put them into
google.
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3055[16:49:38] <grumpy> done it povr
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3056[16:49:38] <somiaj> grumpy: just rember, put some effort into
this, try to figure things out and then ask when you aren't
sure. Better than having everythign pointed out.
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3057[16:49:44] <grumpy> scot thanks
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3060[16:50:36] <ScottPilgrim> np grumps
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3061[16:50:38] <carp_> Yep its all working now. I can dual boot
into debian and my old xp machine. Cheers guys!
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3062[16:50:39] <grumpy> somiaj guide me all i am asking to know
what if i am doing rite or wrong
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3066[16:51:47] <grumpy> DL Virtualbox 5.1.14 windows host
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3068[16:52:12] <ScottPilgrim> good stuff. keep the page open,
because you may want to go back and download the expansion pack
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3070[16:52:46] <ScottPilgrim> I'll explain that later
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3071[16:52:48] <jomofcw> Hello !
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3073[16:53:05] <JordiGH> somiaj: Eh, `while true; doe mpv
boss-music.mkv; done`
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3075[16:53:19] <grumpy> my net is slow scot its says 22 min to dl
vbox
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3076[16:53:58] <grumpy> tel me so i let the expension also Start
dl
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3077[16:54:04] <jomofcw> I would like to search for file name
containing a date like ".yyyymmdd" and to list it.
Performing "find . -regex
'\.201[56][0-9]{4}'"" return me nothing :s.
What's wrong with my command line, please ?
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3078[16:54:25] <somiaj> JordiGH: well glad you got it to play,
unsure why vlc doesn't like those files.
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3079[16:54:29] <ScottPilgrim> grmpy: DCC me when you are running
the installer... my attention will be away for a bit
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3082[16:55:13] <setuid> Can someone please try to get to
deb.torproject.org/torproject.org for me? Seems to be DOA today.
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3085[16:55:19] <grumpy> i dont know how to dcc i m using irc
cloud on my android can i pvt msg u
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3086[16:55:21] <setuid> so all of my updates/upgrades are failing
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3087[16:55:38] <Rephlexie> setuid, works for me
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3089[16:55:54] <setuid> Could not connect to 69.191.240.158:80
(69.191.240.158). - connect (113: No route to host)
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3090[16:55:58] <ScottPilgrim> oh I see
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3091[16:56:10] <setuid> Fails in a browser also, I wonnder if
this hostile network is blocking it
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3092[16:56:28] <ScottPilgrim> nvm then, I'll check back in
20
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3093[16:57:02] <ScottPilgrim> I am actually still here, just
looking at a different screen
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3094[16:57:15] <Rephlexie> setuid, yeah thats the case imo, that
host is fast as hell for me
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3096[16:57:43] <grumpy> i msg u private scot
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3097[16:57:52] <petn-randall> setuid: "no route to
host" sounds like you didn't set up the networking
properly.
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3099[16:58:09] <setuid> petn-randall, Networking works fine, all
other sites and updates work fine, just not that one
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3100[16:58:24] <setuid> Not sure if the remote end is down, or if
my network is being filtered upstream from me
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3101[16:58:26] <petn-randall> setuid: 'mtr -t
69.191.240.158'
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3102[16:58:26] <setuid> Sounds like the latter
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3103[16:59:22] <Red_M> somiaj: that package wasn't causing
the issue
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3104[16:59:34] <Red_M> :(
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3108[17:02:06] <n4dir> jomofcw: only shooting an idea (i fiddled
a bit, not saying it is a solution): find . -name
'201[5-6]0[0-9]04'
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3122[17:04:39] <setuid> petn-randall, Yep, unresolvable fromm
this end
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3123[17:05:05] <setuid> mtr shows it DOA
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3124[17:05:47] <petn-randall> setuid: same here
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3127[17:06:04] <jomofcw> n4dir hello ! In fact the righ answer is
"find . -regex
'.*\.201[56][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]'" , the {4} is not
compatible with the default regex syntax of the command find.
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3128[17:06:43] <n4dir> ah cool then. I didn't run in the
regex option yet, hence my workaround.
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3171[17:27:48] <phre4k> which user is exim running as? htop shows
me Debian-exi+ but I think it's truncated, how do I show the
user and where do I set it?
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3175[17:29:21] <jelly> phre4k: stupid way, getent passwd|grep
^Debian
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3176[17:29:35] <Zoroaster> Is there some Debian equivalent of the
vim-guicolorschemes package on archlinux that has lots of
colorschemes?
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3193[17:37:58] <porton> In gFTP editing file times is missing.
which alternative GUI FTP client to use?
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3206[17:43:12] <thanatos-inc_> porton: filezilla or a file
manager with good ftp support (spacefm, konqueror, krusader)
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3209[17:44:07] <porton> thanatos-inc_: I thought Konqueror as a
file manager is superseded with Dolphin. Isn't it?
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3215[17:45:41] <glockenspiel> OK, System went into suspend mode,
pressing a key start up the drive and reactivated network
connections. I can ssh in, but the display, keyboard and mouse will
not "wake up". How can I wake them up. (am ssh'd in)
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3217[17:45:51] <porton> Dolphin shows 1970 year as the creation
date of a file
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3220[17:46:13] <glockenspiel> porton: unlikely. :-)
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3223[17:46:40] <glockenspiel> porton: thats just UNIX's date
for a zero time entry.
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3224[17:46:54] <glockenspiel> aka "epoch"
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3225[17:46:57] <porton> glockenspiel: I know
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3226[17:47:01] <glockenspiel> sorry
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3228[17:47:45] <somiaj> Red_M: back to the drawing borad, though
I would just get some sleep, come back with fresh eyes
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3240[17:52:55] <porton> thanatos-inc_: Contrary to your advice,
it seems that FileZilla cannot edit file create date
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3245[17:54:21] <glockenspiel> set the system time to whatever
time you need, cp the file away, delete the original, cp the copy
back, reset time back to actual time
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3249[17:55:13] <porton> glockenspiel: thanks for the advice. it
is a good advice but I want a better FTP client which will do all of
this for me with just right mouse click
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3253[17:56:27] <AlexLikeRock> abrotman, hello
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3260[18:02:00] <abrotman> AlexLikeRock: ?
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3261[18:02:06] <AlexLikeRock> could you remove ban of me at
#debian @ OFTC , tanks
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3263[18:02:36] <abrotman> AlexLikeRock: are you done trolling
that channel?'
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3264[18:02:40] <AlexLikeRock> I already behaved well
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3265[18:02:46] <abrotman> That's untrue
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3267[18:02:57] <AlexLikeRock> since "ban"
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3268[18:03:03] <AlexLikeRock> im not trolling
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3270[18:03:20] <abrotman> you were trolling
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3271[18:03:23] <abrotman> don't do it again, thanks
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3272[18:03:25] <abrotman> good luck
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3276[18:05:19] <gebruiker> linux mate is more actively developed
than xfce . WHy?
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3278[18:05:37] <AlexLikeRock> no Not exactly trolling,Rather
debating
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3281[18:07:12] <glockenspiel> gebruiker: Level of maturity?
Desirse of developers?
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3282[18:07:20] <glockenspiel> *desires
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3287[18:11:54] <somiaj> gebruiker: what gives you that idea?
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3289[18:12:29] <somiaj> note mate took a lot of stuff (well most)
from gnome2, and gnome is a big project so it had a good starting
point. But I think xfce is more active, but mate has a fair comunity
too
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3293[18:13:47] <gebruiker> somiaj: because 4.12 has been released
in 2015 feb and is still in arch and debian sid the same version
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3296[18:14:02] <gebruiker> somiaj: mate release 1.16 couple of
months ago
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3299[18:15:47] <somiaj> gebruiker: oh so the issue is how quickly
the desktop gets into debian?
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3300[18:15:52] <somiaj> ,v xfce4
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3301[18:15:53] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3;
jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3
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3302[18:16:24] <gebruiker> somiaj: no i am just curous ... those
are just deductions
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3303[18:16:51] <somiaj> gebruiker: you'll have to talk to
xfce communit to see their release schedule. It could be they are
waitin off a new release for various reasons.
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3304[18:16:52] <gebruiker> i already got my answer from an xfce
dev
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3306[18:17:14] <gebruiker> basically: low funds + some devs no
activity
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3311[18:18:07] <somiaj> yea that happens to some projects. Also
some fairly stable projects have lows until. I don't judge a
project based off of how quickly it relases new stuff. But I use
fvwm which hasn't had much of a change since 2010ish
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3313[18:18:44] <porton> I want an SSH GUI client.
Dolphin/Konqueror/(other KDE) is not suitable because they show
wrong file creation date
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3316[18:19:25] <somiaj> porton: you can install putty in
debian/linux
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3317[18:19:27] <somiaj> ,v putty
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3318[18:19:28] <judd> Package: putty on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.62-9+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 0.62-9+deb7u3; jessie:
0.63-10+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.63-10+deb8u1; stretch: 0.67-2;
sid: 0.67-2
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3320[18:19:55] <somiaj> porton: though why not just get a good
terminal and just use ssh from that? I think an actual terminal you
like would be better than the one from putty
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3324[18:24:44] <porton> somiaj: I don't understand how to
transfer files with PuTTY
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3331[18:25:47] <somiaj> porton: ssh doesn't transfer files,
were you wanting an sftp client?
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3332[18:26:04] <porton> somiaj: how sftp differs of ssh?
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3333[18:26:21] <somiaj> porton: ssh is for accessing a shell on a
remote machine, sftp is for transfering files.
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3334[18:26:31] <porton> SFTP is "SSH file transfer
protocol". I thought it is one
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3335[18:26:31] <somiaj> porton: they both use openssl and the
same server, but they do different things.
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3336[18:26:49] <porton> somiaj: Yes, I understood this
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3337[18:26:59] <somiaj> porton: so you want an sftp client (not
an ssh client)?
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3339[18:27:10] <porton> I will start Midnight Commander on the
server to manipulate files
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3341[18:27:14] <somiaj> porton: gftp is one that supports sftp
and uses gtk
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3342[18:27:27] <porton> somiaj: gFTP does not support editing
file dates
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3343[18:27:50] <Night_Elf> What about the use of 'scp'
command ? I use that a lot for transfering single files.
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3344[18:28:22] <porton> Night_Elf: it is convenient for single
files, not for bulk editing which I may need, it also seems not to
help to edit file dates
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3348[18:28:30] <somiaj> porton: usnure if this is something that
sftp supports or not. In that case why not just ssh and edit them
using cli tools?
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3351[18:28:58] <porton> somiaj: I have told that I am going to
use mc
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3352[18:29:07] <hicks_> you can also use sshfs to mount the
remote dir locally and edit locally, or use sftp:// in thunar to
explore as a normal fs
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3355[18:29:27] <somiaj> porton: you seem to have specific needs
that I'm not familar enough with, seems you have looked at the
options I know of.
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3356[18:29:33] <porton> hicks_: I know
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3359[18:29:56] <hicks_> then I jumped in too late and missed the
question :)
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3364[18:30:51] <Night_Elf> porton: I see. So then this might be
better?
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3365[18:31:35] <porton> It seems that MC does not support editing
file create date
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