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• 18[00:07:40] <derstrom> hello123d: Only way is to install stable first. There are no images for Debian Testing.
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• 20[00:07:53] <missmbob> there are. just not live ones
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• 29[00:09:30] <hello123d> derstrom: my problem is not being able to make an internet connection on jessie 8.7, not even with non-free enabled. Directly installing stretch could have been a work-around.
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• 34[00:12:36] <teraflops> hello123d: use debootstrap then
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• 37[00:12:56] <missmbob> or stop using requiring live like we already told you
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• 39[00:13:12] <teraflops> pick a linux livecd that works then deboostrap debian
• 40[00:13:14] <missmbob> replaced-url
• 41[00:13:21] <teraflops> that works there^
• 42[00:13:35] <missmbob> use real installer...like we said a million times
• 43[00:13:58] <teraflops> missmbob: oh I assumed he already tried it
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• 45[00:14:09] <teraflops> too many assumptions I think
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• 47[00:14:21] <missmbob> teraflops: no. he keeps ignoring everyone and then doing his own thing. then saying it doesnt work
• 48[00:14:27] <teraflops> I see
• 49[00:14:34] <SuperTramp83> hello123d, replaced-url
• 50[00:14:44] <missmbob> SuperTramp83: no. that doesent include firmware
• 51[00:14:47] <missmbob> damnit people
• 52[00:14:53] <teraflops> hehe
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• 54[00:16:29] <SuperTramp83> missmbob, he asked for the installer, not the unofficial blobbed one
• 55[00:16:44] <missmbob> SuperTramp83: you need to pay attention to the entire conversation
• 56[00:16:45] <hello123d> okay, then i'll try a direct install of stretch rc2 with non-free blops and hope the problem is solved
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• 121[00:53:15] <bernhardr> Struggling while upgrading the kernel. Need to find out exactly why / where there is not enough space. cannot copy extracted data to './lib/modules/3.2.0-4-686-pae/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/dvb-usb-af9015.ko
• 122[00:54:02] <bernhardr> af9015.ko.dpkg-new': failed to write (No space left on device)
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• 128[00:58:17] <Devastator> bernhardr how exactly you are upgrading the kernel? compiling a vanilla one?
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• 132[00:58:58] <bernhardr> Devastator On debian 7 just upgrade through webmin
• 133[00:59:12] <Devastator> what?!
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• 135[01:00:26] <teraflops> that :(
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• 137[01:01:24] <bernhardr> See the output replaced-url
• 138[01:01:39] <ZIPY> hi, is there a testdisk irc channel?
• 139[01:02:14] <ZIPY> im trying to recover a luks partition
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• 158[01:13:23] <thereyougo> is "Stretch" a dog with a spring in the middle of his body ?
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• 160[01:13:56] <missmbob> rubber octopus
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• 163[01:15:31] <dvs> He was already the name of a release.
• 164[01:15:43] <dvs> slink?
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• 245[02:17:02] <UnderSampled> I build nginx from source, then installed nginx-common for the init.d script, but it's not working quite
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• 247[02:18:31] <UnderSampled> it just says failed (result:exit-code), with (code=exited, status=203/EXEC)
• 248[02:18:38] <jim> the first (most obvious too) is, how does it get invoked? what's the path to the executable in the script, and where is the executable actually?
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• 250[02:19:30] <UnderSampled> oh
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• 253[02:20:27] <jim> was that it? :)
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• 255[02:21:44] <UnderSampled> I put a ln -s for it in the spot it says it's looking, we'll see
• 256[02:22:02] <jim> if so, you'd think systemd would give a more meaningful error like "executable nginx not found at path /a/b/c"
• 257[02:22:17] <jim> that should work
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• 259[02:22:30] <UnderSampled> hmm
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• 262[02:22:38] <jim> (another way would be to edit the init.d script)
• 263[02:22:45] <UnderSampled> not much better -- this time it times out
• 264[02:23:11] <UnderSampled> I tried someone else's script, it failed similarly (and it seemed to point to the right spot)
• 265[02:23:20] <UnderSampled> I can confirm that running it by hand works
• 266[02:23:49] <jim> how exactly do you run it by hand?
• 267[02:24:19] <UnderSampled> just sudo /usr/local/nginx/sbin/nginx
• 268[02:24:20] <jim> can you put an echo in the script where it runs nginx?
• 269[02:24:43] <jim> sudo? it might be waiting for a password :)
• 270[02:25:04] <UnderSampled> no, that's how I do it by hand
• 271[02:25:16] <jim> oh I see
• 272[02:25:28] <jim> so it doesn't need parameters?
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• 274[02:25:47] <jim> oops very sorry, but I have to leave
• 275[02:26:25] <UnderSampled> np
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• 289[02:37:29] <echosystm> hi guys
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• 291[02:37:38] <echosystm> i added a systemd service and i can start it fine manually
• 292[02:37:43] <echosystm> however, it never starts on boot
• 293[02:37:51] <echosystm> systemctl enable myservice does nothing
• 294[02:37:56] <echosystm> any ideas?
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• 320[02:52:55] <binaryc> recomended debian ldap (freeipa) client configuration for debian stable ? ( do the nss/pamsss/krb5/etc..manually, freeipa-client from sid [no debport yet], numeezy.fr freeipa-client package ) ... or something else ?
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• 348[03:10:40] <pantato> hi everyone, if someone could take a look at this thread that i made and maybe help me out, i would very much appreciate it: replaced-url
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• 358[03:23:15] <memeka> hi; i am running gnome on wayland, and i can login in the gnome-wayland session ok; however if i set up autologin, gdm fails with the error: /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[5259]: Unable to run X server -- how can i set up autologin to use gnome-wayland session?
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• 360[03:24:37] <memeka> in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/memeka I have XSession=gnome-wayland but this seems to be ignored
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• 394[03:40:09] <DeaDSouL> hi, how can I check the nfs log on systemd?
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• 405[03:51:33] <dvs> problably after debian 9.0
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• 515[05:28:59] <jvava> Im using gedit under Debian Jessie, after I intstall a plugin named gedit-source-code-browser-plugin, but I can not see any effect, which git site say need enable it under edit-preference menu, I can not found the menu, help please.
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• 534[05:50:01] <decci> I have megaraid sas .DEB package. I want to add it during the installation time. Will the installer acccept that format?
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• 536[05:50:27] <decci> I usually do that for CentOS or RHEL preparing the driver disk
• 537[05:50:41] <decci> But no idea what would be the right way in debian
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• 541[06:00:19] <jvava> I remember there a menu on the top bar in gtk3 window manager, the gedit's edit menu maybe go there, but I can found the menu on the topbar, please help.
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• 575[06:38:41] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
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• 585[06:53:49] <Datz> I'm I've just noticed in my munin logs that the number of fail to ban ips that can be banned has not been exceeding 7. I've increased the ban time to 6 hours. How can I look into this more?
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• 588[06:55:29] <Datz> I see: PAM service(sshd) ignoring max retries; 6 > 3
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• 596[06:58:46] <darxmurf> hi all
• 597[06:59:07] <jvava> hi, darx
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• 599[06:59:45] <Datz> Is this a fail2ban problem or a iptables problem?
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• 604[07:04:03] <Datz> Clarifying some things. There are more banned hosts as a result of the increased ban time, it relates to nothing else as far as I can tell.
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• 609[07:05:35] <Datz> Also to clarify, I was watching repeate failed login attemps with no ban action
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• 611[07:06:55] <mender27> Good morning :).
• 612[07:07:20] <jvava> good afternoon
• 613[07:07:26] <Datz> Good morning, and goodnight for me.
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• 623[07:13:21] <mender27> Approximately when will Debian 9 Stretch be released? At the end of this year?
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• 627[07:16:04] <darxmurf> I would say, what does it change ? :-)
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• 635[07:18:27] <mender27> darxmurf, So that I know when to add upgrades to my workstations to the schedule. I'm running Testing here, but Stable on 2 others.
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• 643[07:22:28] <mender27> Well, it'll come as it comes, I guess.
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• 737[08:28:05] <dysfigured> when i apt-get build-dep bash it wants to install a f*ton of packages, things like texlive-base texlive-binaries texlive-fonts-recommended none of which i want... is there way to skip a lot of those?
• 738[08:28:22] <dysfigured> surely i don't need a whole latex distro just to build a new version of bash
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• 747[08:30:03] <dysfigured> my first thought was to apt-get --no-install-recommends build-dep bash but that has no effect
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• 782[08:42:18] <dysfigured> basically, i'm trying to backport bash 4.4 but without building the texinfo manual. i did apt-get source bash=4.4-4 to get the source and the patches, i'm reading through debain/rules to try and figure out how to disable the docs, but i have no idea what i'm doing
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• 784[08:42:42] <n4dir> build the deb in a chroot?
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• 789[08:44:55] <dysfigured> that doesn't help me configure the package..
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• 793[08:45:56] <n4dir> no, but it helps you to not care what is needed as a build dependency
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• 798[08:46:33] <n4dir> assuming texlive* is a build dependency.
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• 801[08:46:51] <dysfigured> i have a limited space on this vps
• 802[08:47:19] <n4dir> build the deb on another machine.
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• 804[08:48:15] <dysfigured> that's not what i'm asking. i want to build this deb on this machine with this cpu but without building all the docs for it
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• 872[09:22:25] <n4dir> dysfigured: there is a channel for packaging questions. #packaging on the oftc server
• 873[09:22:47] <n4dir> i think this is what you are looking for replaced-url
• 874[09:23:03] <n4dir> but i never found the docs on how-to configure the rules file to be very clear.
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• 876[09:23:35] <dysfigured> neat, thanks a lot
• 877[09:23:44] <n4dir> not sure if it would make sense to simply remove the tex stuff from the control file instead.
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• 881[09:24:35] <n4dir> ... hence my idea to simply ignore the problem by building in a chroot (the rules file gives me headaches)
• 882[09:24:41] <n4dir> good luck
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• 884[09:25:28] <dysfigured> tbh this is the only machine i have access to that uses debian, i don't really have another machine to build this on, and this machine doesn't have enough room for a chroot
• 885[09:25:45] <dysfigured> i really don't want to setup a vm or something just to build this package
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• 887[09:26:33] <n4dir> if you got another gnu/linux: some have the debootstrap package to create a debian chroot (some? Well: Slackware sure has)
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• 889[09:27:14] <n4dir> i guess someone will know the answer how to do it via rules. i would try the #packaging channel. Or ask later here, right now it seems silent
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• 952[09:58:46] <jeddi> Hey hey. What are the cool kids using for GUI (ideally KDE-friendly, but not necessarily) front end for apt? I've installed a new system for a friend, and realised that my 'just open a terminal and su and ...' wasn't going to wash.
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• 954[09:59:19] <jeddi> Jessie, fwiw.
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• 962[10:01:57] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 963[10:02:38] <jeddi> yeah - i saw apper's a f/e to packagekit ... not sure how kosher the latter is, given it's an 'all format' pkg mangaement tool ... am investigating that. synaptic i used years and years ago.
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• 965[10:03:06] <jeddi> there's entire realms of debian maintenance I just don't have to touch. ;)
• 966[10:04:19] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 967[10:04:30] <n4dir> as far it's me synaptic does the job (been ages though)
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• 972[10:05:37] <jeddi> cool, thanks n4dir - I might install both and let them have a play and decide ... older user, new to Debian, probably overwhelmed by the range of stuff available to play with.
• 973[10:05:56] <babilen> jeddi: Your friend might actually enjoy learning about this technology and I'd recommend replaced-url
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• 975[10:06:13] <babilen> fwiw, my mum had no problems getting used to it
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• 977[10:06:59] <jeddi> babilen: yeah - I think CLI is the far superior approach .. apt-cache and apt-get, with a dash of | grep, gets you about 90% of the way to where you want to go.
• 978[10:07:02] <babilen> She actually enjoyed the feeling of being in control rather than "the computer just doing things"
• 979[10:07:27] <n4dir> and if you tell him about command completion (from history), using apt-get or aptitude or apt will be a piece of cake :-)
• 980[10:07:54] <jeddi> babilen: did your mum write everything down, or you set up a personal wiki or something for her to keep notes? I find the biggest problem with less tech savvy types is wanting to write stuff down on pieces of paper .. and then not being able to read the various symbles, spaces, etc -- or just losing the paper.
• 981[10:08:05] <n4dir> as long he/she remembers anything related to packagemanagement will probably start with an "a", he/she is fine
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• 984[10:08:22] <jeddi> hehe
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• 986[10:08:47] <babilen> It's perfectly fine to use graphical tools in that situation, but I wouldn't necessarily say that they are easier to use. Typing a couple of commands is easy and those tools don't do anything "for you" in the "background" which reduces the amount of alerts users are facing
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• 988[10:09:10] <babilen> "Computer wants you to install these" resulted in a lot of stress for my mum
• 989[10:09:22] <babilen> "Can I ignore those - I wanted to make tea"
• 990[10:10:04] <babilen> jeddi: I wrote a number of nicely illustrated A4 packages with commands and other bits (how to use common websites, click here for foo ...).
• 991[10:10:56] <babilen> I guess it really boils down to personal preferences
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• 996[10:11:23] <n4dir> probably. But at least to me getting the head into the basics of synaptic was a bit of a hazzle too.
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• 1000[10:12:15] <n4dir> still i would say that you get away with 5 commands (+ - a bit)
• 1001[10:12:38] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Debian Jessie. I'm noticing `streamer` process running on my system which is hogging my CPU. (current usage ~25%)I want to know how did it start? Who did start it? It's still running.
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• 1006[10:13:02] <babilen> And you can also setup tools like cron-apt or unattended-upgrades for security upgrades
• 1007[10:13:35] <rootkea> My guess is since `streamer` grabs the video and `xscreensaver` does too. xscreensaver started it. But how can I confirm that?
• 1008[10:13:38] <n4dir> to me it was more good to run an update and upgrade daily, to get used to the commands. babilen
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• 1010[10:13:58] <babilen> rootkea: Do you have the "streamer" package installed?
• 1011[10:14:02] <jeddi> babilen: ah, yeah, I did write up a big 'welcome to your new machine' for these guys a while back .. they're escapees of windows 10 .. absolutely hate that interface, so moved it to their media centre, and were suitably amazed at the prospect of a performant OS that looks like a 'normal OS' on their old Win7 box from however many years ago .. runs like a dream, including compiz or whatever that's called now on kde.
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• 1014[10:14:43] <babilen> n4dir: No, absolutely .. Just throwing different ideas out there. I just wanted to challenge the "GUI == easier" assumption
• 1015[10:14:45] <jeddi> n4dir: i have memories of synaptic and trying to figure out how to actually get it to go and *do* the install .. finding and selecting things was easy enough, but the next step seemed hidden (it was a while ago. I was probably drunk)
• 1016[10:15:13] <rootkea> babilen: Yes. I do.
• 1017[10:15:28] <n4dir> yeah, jeddi, same here. Though i am a very unvisual guy. babilen sure, just talking bout my experience
• 1018[10:15:38] <maya-> hi, i was wondering if the Debian security repo was down?
• 1019[10:15:48] <jeddi> hehe ..a s it happens I'm writing up an email now on installing vlc, and resorted to konsole / su / apt-get instructions .. easier to describe, but I know it'll *seem* scarier.
• 1020[10:16:05] <n4dir> back then i cd'ed back and forth for hours and hours. lol.
• 1021[10:16:23] <rootkea> Also xscreensaver is using nearly same CPU (~24%) I don't know why it's running TBH. I mean it should run when I lock the screen
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• 1023[10:16:45] <dysfigured> doesn't kde have it's own software center package..?
• 1024[10:16:55] <babilen> rootkea: Could you run "aptitude why streamer" and "apt-cache rdepends streamer" ? That should give you reverse dependencies for that package and maybe a reason for its installation.
• 1025[10:17:22] <babilen> rootkea: Maybe you installed the NSA edition of xscreensaver by mistake? (just kidding)
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• 1029[10:18:31] <n4dir> dysfigured: i seem to recall way way back there was a kde software tool. But it was given up (?). Pretty much never heard of the mentioned "apper"
• 1030[10:18:50] <rootkea> babilen: No! xscreensaver has option to grab video frames. And I have selected it. But I want xscreensaver to run when I lock the screen. Not when I'm working.
• 1031[10:19:23] <babilen> So you want to kill the process in the interim?
• 1032[10:19:27] <dysfigured> yeah i jsut found it, it's called muon. no idea how well it works, but it's at least a thing. jeddi you might give it a go, should be exactly what you're looking for
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• 1034[10:19:30] <rootkea> babilen: That's it! xscreensaver Suggests qcam | streamer
• 1035[10:19:32] <babilen> It really shouldn't hog the CPU like that
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• 1037[10:21:08] <rootkea> babilen: replaced-url
• 1038[10:21:25] <babilen> Sorry, I'm not opening random pictures on IRC
• 1039[10:21:36] <babilen> (I'm sure it's benign, but ...)
• 1040[10:21:50] <rootkea> babilen: Oh sure.
• 1041[10:22:03] <rootkea> BTW it was a screenshot of Task manager.
• 1042[10:22:36] <jeddi> dysfigured: ah - yeah, that popped up, it looked abandoned? will have a google.
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• 1046[10:23:49] <babilen> rootkea: Could you stop/kill the xscreensaver process and confirm that this also kills streamer?
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• 1048[10:24:11] <rootkea> babilen: I did. And it didn't kill streamer. It became zombie!
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• 1050[10:24:27] <rootkea> babilen: Then I killed it too! I hate zombies!
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• 1053[10:25:16] <rootkea> And now CPU load is ~2%
• 1054[10:25:22] <babilen> Sounds as if something went wrong there .. How did you kill xscreensaver?
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• 1056[10:25:52] <rootkea> Right click in System Manager then Kill and not using "kill" command
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• 1058[10:26:48] <babilen> Okay, that should have send SIGTERM and caused an "orderly shutdown"
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• 1062[10:27:48] <rootkea> Now what's up with xscreensaver?
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• 1068[10:29:10] <rootkea> babilen: BTW I have two locker programs installed. 1) light-locker and 2) xscreensaver Is it because of this?
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• 1072[10:30:55] <babilen> rootkea: You probably don't want to run both at the same time, but I don't see any problem in having both of them installed at the same time
• 1073[10:31:03] <babilen> (unless that causes problems)
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• 1075[10:31:18] <rootkea> babilen: They both are running at the same time.
• 1076[10:31:19] <Pepe> Feel free to reply: replaced-url
• 1077[10:31:21] <babilen> rootkea: Can you reproduce that behaviour?
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• 1079[10:31:31] <rootkea> I just killed xscreensaver though
• 1080[10:31:36] <babilen> Ah, then you might want to remove one of them
• 1081[10:31:53] <babilen> "this behaviour" == "the CPU hogging of streamer"
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• 1083[10:33:32] <rootkea> babilen: I need xscreensaver because I want screensavers. I need light-locker to prevent the user from switching to GUI(tty7) from tty1..6 and getting any entry without need to type the password
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• 1085[10:33:50] <rootkea> babilen: am talking about switch user behavior.
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• 1089[10:35:30] <rootkea> babilen: Also at one time streamer ate up almost all of my hard disk. Again, same problem. It was saving video frame to /tmp while I was working. I remember coming here on #debian then and seeking help as I didn't even know it was "streamer"
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• 1092[10:37:00] <rootkea> It was horrible. It was eating hard disk like 1Gb/minute or so and I juts had 4-5Gb space remaining from 15 GB. And I didn't want to lock out of my system once all the space was eaten up
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• 1094[10:37:11] <rootkea> *just
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• 1097[10:37:35] <babilen> That program sounds incredibly buggy :(
• 1098[10:37:54] <rootkea> babilen: I managed to find and kill streamer just in time!
• 1099[10:38:13] <babilen> replaced-url
• 1100[10:38:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1103[10:40:10] <rootkea> I need to vote on that with latest report. But may be later. Now I gotta go. Thanks for help!
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• 1123[10:51:50] <McErroneous> Hi, how do i save all opened webbrowser Tabs locally? (like 20 or more.. )
• 1124[10:52:07] <McErroneous> without reloading from the web...
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• 1141[11:01:13] <jelly> McErroneous: which browser?
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• 1147[11:03:56] <abff> what are you trying to accomplish? download the page and save them on your local machine and just read them offline?
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• 1157[11:09:52] <jelly> McErroneous: if you right-click somewhere on the tab line, is one of the options "bookmark all tabs..." ?
• 1158[11:10:25] <McErroneous> jelly: i need to save all browed pages by default...
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• 1160[11:11:03] <McErroneous> jelly: yes, there is..
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• 1162[11:11:37] <TimurTheLame> McErroneous, something like this? replaced-url
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• 1167[11:13:47] <bgclient> how do i livepatch my kernel and -modules in debian?
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• 1179[11:17:45] <Orbstheorem> Hello, is there a package containing the debian reference as man pages?
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• 1190[11:23:38] <babilen> Orbstheorem: There debian-reference-* packages, but these days I would recommend debian-handbook also
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• 1192[11:24:24] <babilen> *are :)
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• 1194[11:25:14] <bgclient> Ubuntu has some kind of Canonical Livepatch Service but I got no problems with running pre-build blobs on my server at least as its signed
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• 1209[11:31:27] <leo-unglaub> hey friends, i inherited a debian server running on "unstable". for me thats a little risky for production and i would like to bring it back to testing or something. what is the best workflow?
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• 1211[11:31:43] <dysfigured> leo-unglaub: back up everything important and re-install
• 1212[11:32:13] <leo-unglaub> dysfigured: thats what it tought, thanks for confirming it!
• 1213[11:32:18] <dysfigured> downgrading is going to cause you more problems than anything else, you'd save time doing a re-install
• 1214[11:32:26] <dysfigured> good luck!
• 1215[11:32:51] <leo-unglaub> thanks!
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• 1235[11:49:50] <vecector> Hi, how do I set a passwort check to sudo as user?
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• 1237[11:50:39] <vecector> I uncommented the line "sudeors:all ..." from /etc/sudoers, but that didn't help
• 1238[11:50:50] <Nilli> I have a Debian server (cli only) onto which I ssh daily to access irc. Suddenly the terminal doesn't update anything visually until I press any key. The first symptom is when I ssh into the machine: I see the Debian login text, including the line "Last login", but then there's no prompt until I press a key. How do I troubleshoot this? I'd rather not have to reboot the system, being a server and all.
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• 1242[11:53:07] <RebelCoder> vecector, sudo passwd [user] [newpass]
• 1243[11:53:10] <RebelCoder> .. i think...
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• 1245[11:53:27] <vecector> RebelCoder: no
• 1246[11:53:39] <RebelCoder> Not sure what you are asking then
• 1247[11:54:06] <vecector> why would you need to sudo at all, passwd works without sudo already
• 1248[11:54:27] <abff> The user you want to sudo as, it has no password
• 1249[11:54:53] <abff> you need to set a password to authenticate as that user if it's going to be a sudoer
• 1250[11:55:24] <vecector> sounds reasonable, but I thought I tried that the other week
• 1251[11:55:51] <vecector> anyway, I just deleted the sudoers line from /etc/group, but sudo still functions
• 1252[11:55:52] <vecector> wtf
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• 1255[11:56:33] <abff> you might want to put that back
• 1256[11:56:39] <abff> or no users will be able to sudo
• 1257[11:56:44] <abff> (afaik)
• 1258[11:56:53] <vecector> that's good enough
• 1259[11:57:04] <vecector> but then i could just apt-get purge sudo
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• 1261[11:57:13] <vecector> thanks for the tips
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• 1263[11:58:20] <TimurTheLame> vecector, do you happen to have NOPASSWD set on %sudo like I have? "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL"
• 1264[11:58:47] <TimurTheLame> vecector, if so, remove it in order to get the password check back
• 1265[11:58:51] <vecector> nope, I think I woulda noticed (but I deleted it, so who knows)
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• 1269[11:59:48] <vecector> just tell me, if deleting the whole line didnt help, how would changing it do anybetter, at least without reboot
• 1270[12:00:05] <vecector> which wouldnt make sense in a live system
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• 1273[12:00:17] <TimurTheLame> Dunno
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• 1275[12:02:00] <vecector> "bash: /usr/bin/sudo: no such file or directory" much better
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• 1328[12:39:07] <Orbstheorem> Babilen: thanks
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• 1349[12:48:22] <Lope2> Can anyone recommend a way to add UPnP to a linux debian server?
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• 1351[12:50:09] <sharp15> i have been experiencing seriously slow response times on a i3-2350M (2.30Ghz, 2 core), 4GB ram, and Debian Jessie. is this something i should expect? it seems to happen mostly with KDE related prorgams but occaisionaly with the XFCE menu.
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• 1355[12:53:09] <cef> Lope2: look at the miniupnpd or linux-igd packages.. I think miniupnpd has a bit more use generally.
• 1356[12:53:23] <altyr> sharp15: that's a bit vague. you could try monitoring load on your cpu/ram/disk and see if you notice any programs causing load spikes when it happens. or look at the system log for the moment when it slowed down
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• 1358[12:54:11] <cef> sharp15: do you have any swap space? this could be running out of ram and then swap slowing things down as memory get pushed to disk.
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• 1362[12:55:36] <cef> sharp15: from a shell, 'top' is useful to leave running when you've got issues like that. it should give you some useful info.
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• 1373[12:58:14] <sharp15> i'm also noticing remote ssh shells randomly not accepting input or transmitting screen updates.
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• 1375[12:58:46] <sharp15> one moment.
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• 1378[12:59:31] <sharp15> yes i have swap. 6GB.
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• 1381[13:00:27] <sharp15> aside from a default install and ssh server there shouldn't be anything running.
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• 1406[13:16:10] <wreck_boo> how do i increase pptpd server speed
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• 1414[13:19:30] <wreck_boo> how do i increase pptpd server speed
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• 1451[13:43:40] <lamppid> How i can install aptitude on debian ?
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• 1457[13:45:01] <petn-randall> lamppid: Just like everything else: 'apt install aptitude'.
• 1458[13:45:24] <lamppid> sorry i mean i need install apt :)
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• 1467[13:49:17] <lamppid> How i can install apt package ?:)
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• 1469[13:49:52] <TomTomTo1> apt comes preinstalled. what kind of system are you running?
• 1470[13:49:53] <apt> TomTomTo1: that's too long
• 1471[13:50:37] <lamppid> i mistyped and uninstall apt :D
• 1472[13:50:59] <lamppid> kali it's on the debian
• 1473[13:51:06] <lamppid> jessie
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• 1475[13:51:56] <TimurTheLame> lamppid, maybe download the .deb package from replaced-url
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• 1477[13:52:23] <TomTomTo1> or maybe not, because kali has their own repos.
• 1478[13:52:25] <TomTomTo1> !kali
• 1479[13:52:25] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1480[13:52:47] <TomTomTo1> lamppid: ask in the right channel, please.
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• 1482[13:52:59] <lamppid> ok :)
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• 1488[13:54:59] <TimurTheLame> lamppid, replaced-url
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• 1494[13:57:59] <lamppid> all of this packeges needed ?:)
• 1495[13:58:54] <TimurTheLame> lamppid, probably not, only the apt one
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• 1498[14:00:35] <lamppid> thanks :)
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• 1503[14:03:28] <lamppid> it's works (y) :)
• 1504[14:03:38] <TimurTheLame> macrobat, np :D
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• 1506[14:04:24] <TimurTheLame> *lamppid
• 1507[14:04:40] <lamppid> How i mistype and uninstall it? instead of apt-get remove virtualbox-5.0 i type without dash: virtualbox 5.0 and delete a lot of packages
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• 1511[14:05:04] <lamppid> i try understand how it's happend :D
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• 1515[14:06:13] <zykotick9> TimurTheLame: i'd suggest NOT supporting Kali in #d - it only encourages the person(s) to return (when they should instead find the proper support channel)
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• 1529[14:13:45] <bgclient> is there any kind of livepatch/kGraft/kpatch/ksplice support in debian?
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• 1532[14:15:14] <plasmoduck> I was using novaeu driver and just installed nvidia-driver and rebooted, now my system boots to a black screen. wtf?
• 1533[14:15:56] <bgclient> plasmoduck take a look in your dmesg/messages and xorg-log and you'll know why
• 1534[14:15:57] <plasmoduck> I had a feeling this was going to happen ffs
• 1535[14:16:12] <plasmoduck> how can I "take a look" when its a black screen?
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• 1537[14:16:20] <plasmoduck> after grub
• 1538[14:16:24] <Logg> hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a tty
• 1539[14:16:26] <bgclient> switch to virtual terminal
• 1540[14:16:26] <babilen> And how did you install the nvidia driver?
• 1541[14:16:27] <plasmoduck> I see some loading text
• 1542[14:16:31] <Logg> or f2, or f3 or f4 or f5 or f6
• 1543[14:16:38] <plasmoduck> doesnt wrok
• 1544[14:16:44] <Logg> check your f-lock
• 1545[14:16:47] <Logg> or fn-lock
• 1546[14:16:53] <babilen> Boot into single user mode and take it from there
• 1547[14:16:57] <plasmoduck> does nothing
• 1548[14:17:13] <plasmoduck> ok
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• 1550[14:17:33] <plasmoduck> man this sucks
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• 1552[14:17:44] <abff> nvidia drivers can be tricky
• 1553[14:17:47] <abff> !nvidia
• 1554[14:17:47] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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• 1556[14:18:05] <plasmoduck> I've never had this problem before
• 1557[14:18:15] <Logg> you'll figure it out.
• 1558[14:18:38] <babilen> How did you install the nvidida driver?
• 1559[14:18:51] <babilen> s/nvidida/nvidia/
• 1560[14:19:14] <plasmoduck> all I can do is boot into recovery mode
• 1561[14:19:20] <plasmoduck> apt install nvidia-driver
• 1562[14:19:29] <babilen> Which card do you have?
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• 1565[14:20:02] <derstrom> plasmoduck: Did you install nvidia-xconfig and run it?
• 1566[14:20:11] <babilen> No, don't do that
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• 1570[14:20:43] <bgclient> xorg.conf is deprecated, please create a config for every device in /etc/xorg.conf.d/
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• 1573[14:21:06] <babilen> plasmoduck: Which card(s) do you have? What comes up when you run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" ?
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• 1575[14:21:36] <babilen> Or: lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'
• 1576[14:21:49] <plasmoduck> then it said could not load driver, and easiest way to fix is to reboot
• 1577[14:21:53] <babilen> What did you do after running "apt install nvidia-driver" ?
• 1578[14:22:02] <plasmoduck> rebooted
• 1579[14:22:11] <babilen> So you didn't create a configuration file?
• 1580[14:22:19] <babilen> And it would help if you could answer all questions
• 1581[14:22:26] <plasmoduck> I never used to, it used to just work
• 1582[14:22:34] <babilen> That way we don't have to address them again later
• 1583[14:22:35] <plasmoduck> I can't even get into recovery mode
• 1584[14:23:16] <babilen> plasmoduck: You'll have to create a configuration file as detailed on replaced-url
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• 1586[14:23:39] <plasmoduck> how can I do that if I can't even boot thesystem?
• 1587[14:23:45] <plasmoduck> All I can od is press e in grub
• 1588[14:23:59] <plasmoduck> to edit boot or c for console
• 1589[14:24:03] <babilen> What happens if you try to boot into recovery mode?
• 1590[14:24:11] <plasmoduck> same black screen
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• 1592[14:24:37] <babilen> Right, did you make sure that the version you installed supports your card? (which brings us back to my first question)
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• 1595[14:25:01] <babilen> I'll give you a few minutes to work through them .. you might want to download a live CD such as grml in the interim
• 1596[14:25:06] <babilen> bbl
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• 1599[14:26:20] <plasmoduck> Yes, GTX 550Ti
• 1600[14:26:37] <plasmoduck> This is crazy
• 1601[14:26:45] <plasmoduck> Just cause I installed a video driver?
• 1602[14:26:52] <plasmoduck> Why can't I even get a tty?
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• 1611[14:30:48] <plasmoduck> Im in a grub console if that helps?
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• 1614[14:31:42] <celyr> plasmoduck, if you are in the grub console it means you didn't boot the kernel, yet
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• 1617[14:32:13] <bgclient> append systemd.unit=rescue.target to the linux line
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• 1619[14:33:24] <tw> maybe try nomodeset kernel option?
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• 1626[14:35:41] <plasmoduck> Please explain more noob
• 1627[14:35:56] <plasmoduck> Im so upset
• 1628[14:36:16] <plasmoduck> I have so much data on this drive and really don't want to reinstall again
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• 1630[14:36:58] <abff> It's okay if all else fails you can use a usb key to get into a live distro and remove nvidia drivers, reconfigure the nouveau drivers and try again
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• 1635[14:37:25] <plasmoduck> Well I have that, but how do I remove the drivers from in the live distro?
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• 1638[14:38:58] <petn-randall> !chroot
• 1639[14:38:58] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 1640[14:39:04] <petn-randall> plasmoduck: ^^^
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• 1645[14:40:05] <plasmoduck> ok ill give it a go
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• 1664[14:46:15] <plasmoduck> whats the password?
• 1665[14:46:19] <plasmoduck> in the debian live cd
• 1666[14:46:29] <plasmoduck> Im logged in as user
• 1667[14:46:36] <plasmoduck> how do I get the root password?
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• 1669[14:46:53] <petn-randall> I'm pretty sure the first 5 hits on google will answer that.
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• 1671[14:47:07] <petn-randall> IIRC it was root / live or something.
• 1672[14:47:18] <tx> user / live
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• 1677[14:47:37] <petn-randall> plasmoduck: "sudo su -"?
• 1678[14:47:41] <tx> if you want to run with root, yes
• 1679[14:47:44] <tx> sudo up ;)
• 1680[14:48:10] <vyrux8> hello, during boot up the machine this occur [ ***]A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interfaces. (1min 20s / no limit) is this a prob or normal? i tried googling but not found any solution.
• 1681[14:48:16] <plasmoduck> just done it
• 1682[14:48:43] <tx> vyrux8: it means it's waiting for one of your network interfaces that has been configured to be brought up
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• 1685[14:48:51] <tx> (usually)
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• 1690[14:50:07] <plasmoduck> sorry one more question, how doI know which /dev/sd* is my main hdd?
• 1691[14:50:10] <vyrux8> tx: we can remove from appear at boot or just waiting their checking the net interface?
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• 1693[14:50:45] <petn-randall> vyrux8: Check /etc/network/interfaces. You configured a interface that it *must* come up, even though it's not connected.
• 1694[14:50:56] <petn-randall> vyrux8: That's why it's waiting.
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• 1696[14:51:30] <abff> plasmoduck I'd try guessing by size, use fdisk -l to see a list of all the disks, if you still can't work it out from there, mount one and look around a bit for a file you would recognize as "definitely being in the drive you want to chroot"
• 1697[14:52:05] <armin> hi. so i would love to find out what debian changed to dwm in order to get a dwm.winkey binary, i tried "apt source dwm" and did a grep -r for "winkey", but that only gave me one occurance in the changelog file. any hint? thanks a lot.
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• 1699[14:52:43] <plasmoduck> okay looks like its sda2
• 1700[14:52:48] <vyrux8> tx: i think maybe cause of wlan interfaces, lastweek seen working fine, but today the interface wlan not found.
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• 1703[14:53:11] <plasmoduck> but when I do "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda2 /target I get wrong fs type, bad option etc
• 1704[14:53:27] <plasmoduck> cant find ext4 file system
• 1705[14:54:12] <petn-randall> plasmoduck: Why are you trying to mount an ext4 filesystem as ext2?
• 1706[14:54:26] <plasmoduck> Thats the instructions I was given
• 1707[14:54:40] <plasmoduck> !chroot
• 1708[14:54:41] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 1709[14:54:55] <abff> Use the file system that the drive uses
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• 1711[14:55:11] <petn-randall> plasmoduck: Well, use ext4 if it's ext4.
• 1712[14:55:39] <petn-randall> plasmoduck: We expect that people understand what the commands mean before they execute them.
• 1713[14:55:56] <zykotick9> plasmoduck: <just in case> be aware /target needs to be updated to where you want the filesystem mounted.
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• 1715[14:56:12] <plasmoduck> Okay cool got it mounted
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• 1717[14:56:35] <plasmoduck> I just left it as /target for now is that ok?
• 1718[14:56:42] <petn-randall> sure
• 1719[14:56:47] <plasmoduck> I need to chroot in and remove the nvidia-driver
• 1720[14:56:55] <plasmoduck> Okay, moving onto next step
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• 1722[14:57:24] <abff> petn-randall the directory /target doesn't need to first exist???
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• 1724[14:57:35] <plasmoduck> I created it
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• 1726[14:58:25] <abff> ah good jorb
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• 1734[15:00:46] <plasmoduck> none is already mounted or /target/sys busy
• 1735[15:01:10] <plasmoduck> none is already mounted on /target/sys
• 1736[15:01:16] <plasmoduck> none is already mounted on /target/proc
• 1737[15:01:17] <plasmoduck> etc
• 1738[15:01:19] <plasmoduck> tf
• 1739[15:01:22] <plasmoduck> ?
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• 1743[15:03:06] <plasmoduck> maybe I stuffed up the command
• 1744[15:03:11] <plasmoduck> let me reboot and try again
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• 1753[15:08:16] <plasmoduck> Okay
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• 1757[15:08:56] <Papillon> you might have better help in ##linux with a systemd recovery
• 1758[15:08:58] <plasmoduck> I've chrooted into my system
• 1759[15:09:16] <Papillon> good
• 1760[15:09:16] <plasmoduck> Now how do I remove restore the noveaeu driver?
• 1761[15:09:49] <plasmoduck> I've just done apt remove nvidia-driver
• 1762[15:09:50] <Papillon> use dpkg to remove the package? I think there's also a delete that you might try after that to remove any remaining files
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• 1764[15:09:52] <plasmoduck> is that all?
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• 1767[15:10:09] <plasmoduck> do I have to install anything?
• 1768[15:10:13] <plasmoduck> noveau?
• 1769[15:10:18] <plasmoduck> or will it take care of that?
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• 1772[15:10:44] <babilen> It will be installed by default .. but why not finish the nvidia driver installation?
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• 1774[15:10:55] <plasmoduck> how?
• 1775[15:11:01] <babilen> All you have to do is run "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf"
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• 1777[15:11:01] <plasmoduck> Well
• 1778[15:11:11] <plasmoduck> Okay, Ill try that
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• 1781[15:11:46] <babilen> That assumes that you do not have an optimus system, but you probably ran the commands I mentioned earlier and confirmed that to not be the case.
• 1782[15:11:47] <plasmoduck> just type that whole line as is?
• 1783[15:12:08] <andrew2221> Hello everyone. I have a strange behavior with Jessie. After I leave the computer, and come back, type in the password for my user, and the desktop hangs (mouse cursor moves, but nothing happens) for a minute. Did anyone experience this?
• 1784[15:12:09] <babilen> plasmoduck: See replaced-url
• 1785[15:12:22] <plasmoduck> I have a GTX 550TI
• 1786[15:12:24] <plasmoduck> not optimus
• 1787[15:12:47] <babilen> Good, that should work then
• 1788[15:13:20] <plasmoduck> can I not just apt install nvidia-xconfig?
• 1789[15:13:20] <TimurTheLame> andrew2221, could it be due to you running out of free memory/intense swapping?
• 1790[15:13:26] <babilen> Just to make sure: "dkms status" lists the module for the kernel you are running, doesn't it?
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• 1793[15:14:14] <babilen> plasmoduck: nvidida-xconfig creates a horrendously overspecific monolithic xorg configuration file
• 1794[15:14:29] <babilen> But do whatever you see fit
• 1795[15:14:31] <andrew2221> TimurTheLame, I have 8G of RAM, HDD led is not working as far as I can tell.
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• 1799[15:16:06] <andrew2221> After some time, everything turns back to normal, it logs in, everything is fine. What is more strange that not every time it does this, and never when starting the computer.
• 1800[15:16:30] <plasmoduck> Okay I just followed your advice babilen
• 1801[15:16:40] <plasmoduck> Can I reboot now? Or anything else I should do first?
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• 1803[15:16:44] <babilen> plasmoduck: And double-checked the dkms module status?
• 1804[15:17:01] <plasmoduck> How and what is that?
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• 1806[15:17:08] <babilen> See above
• 1807[15:17:16] <plasmoduck> Where?
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• 1809[15:17:29] <babilen> 15:13:26 babilen > Just to make sure: "dkms status" lists the module for the kernel you are running, doesn't it?
• 1810[15:17:42] <plasmoduck> ah
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• 1813[15:18:04] <plasmoduck> yup
• 1814[15:18:14] <plasmoduck> so Im good togo?
• 1815[15:18:23] <babilen> I would hope so
• 1816[15:18:31] <plasmoduck> *fingers crossed*
• 1817[15:18:39] <babilen> You created the file as instructed, didn't you?
• 1818[15:18:45] <plasmoduck> yes
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• 1821[15:18:46] * abff crosses his fingers
• 1822[15:18:50] <babilen> (and there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?)
• 1823[15:19:00] <plasmoduck> I made the dir
• 1824[15:19:08] <babilen> aye
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• 1826[15:19:18] <babilen> But there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf in place at the moment?
• 1827[15:19:31] <plasmoduck> Excellent :)
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• 1829[15:19:37] <plasmoduck> Back to business :)
• 1830[15:19:43] <babilen> \o/
• 1831[15:19:46] <plasmoduck> Thanks for your patience guys
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• 1833[15:20:28] <babilen> Frankly: The package already asks you to reboot .. it should mention the need for configuration also or just create that minimal configuration file automagically
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• 1836[15:20:54] <plasmoduck> I think it did but I was overly excited and didn't notice it :/
• 1837[15:21:26] <babilen> I mean we can blame you all day for not readin the documentation, but that doesn't help anyone and it's always the case that one wouldn't run into problems if one had known the exact and correct steps to solve a problem beforehand
• 1838[15:21:32] <babilen> Ah
• 1839[15:21:47] <plasmoduck> I'm loving this new sata 3 ssd btw, chucked it in and installed debian on it a few days ago and put all my files on.
• 1840[15:21:50] <babilen> I haven't verified which message you'd get
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• 1850[15:25:07] <plasmoduck> There's no place like 127.0.0.1
• 1851[15:25:22] <plasmoduck> Damn it's good to be home
• 1852[15:25:40] <tx> I live at ::1
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• 1854[15:25:47] <tx> I guess you could say my house is a bit more modern.
• 1855[15:26:13] <plasmoduck> haha nice one
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• 1858[15:26:21] <Papillon> 127.0.0.1 isn't real!
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• 1861[15:27:10] <plasmoduck> That's something I need to do, learn IPv6
• 1862[15:27:24] <tx> not just learn, use.
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• 1867[15:28:42] <Dagger> it's mainly the same as v4 anyway
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• 1870[15:29:09] <Dagger> addresses are longer and written in hex. SLAAC's a thing. big whoop
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• 1883[15:36:01] <plasmoduck> Why didn't they just add an extra 2 dots like 127.0.0.0.0.1
• 1884[15:36:16] <plasmoduck> Would that solve the problem of running out of ips?
• 1885[15:36:35] <tx> :\
• 1886[15:36:36] <plasmoduck> Im trying to think if IPv10 will be like this
• 1887[15:36:37] <Papillon> ipv6 is like 127........1 or something i forget
• 1888[15:36:55] <plasmoduck> ah
• 1889[15:37:00] <Dagger> ::1 for localhost
• 1890[15:37:06] <Papillon> oh yea, colons
• 1891[15:37:19] <Dagger> and no, "just adding an extra two dots" doesn't make sense
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• 1893[15:37:41] <tx> plasmoduck: all of the ipv4 network hardware in the world (so, all of it)
• 1894[15:37:49] <tx> has been designed with a fixed protocol
• 1895[15:37:57] <tx> "an ip address has 4 octets " etc.
• 1896[15:38:00] <Dagger> for one, it wouldn't be enough address space. for two, why did you use the word "just"? it would take the same amount of effort as v6 is taking
• 1897[15:38:05] <tx> one can not simply add 2 more octets
• 1898[15:38:11] <tx> besides, it wouldn't give you much more space!
• 1899[15:38:39] <tx> the amount of space in ipv6 is difficult to illustrate
• 1900[15:38:40] <plasmoduck> This stuff is way over my head
• 1901[15:38:42] <Dagger> if you're gonna go to the effort of making addresses bigger, then you damn well ought to make sure to add enough the first time or you'll have to do it all again later
• 1902[15:38:49] <tx> aye
• 1903[15:39:09] <andrew2221> Since TimurTheLame couldn't give me a hint, I am asking again, hopefully it's not considered spaming. I have a strange behavior with Jessie. After I leave the computer (it lock's), and come back, type in the password for my user, and the desktop hangs (mouse cursor moves, but nothing happens) for a minute. Did anyone experience this? I have 8G of RAM, HDD led is not working as far as I can tell. After some time, everything turns back to normal, it
• 1904[15:39:09] <andrew2221> logs in, everything is fine. What is more strange that not every time it does this, and never when starting the computer.
• 1905[15:39:26] <plasmoduck> I'm reading this replaced-url
• 1906[15:39:48] <koollman> Dagger: until you somehow run out of it again. "what do you mean my fridge does not need a /48 by itself?" :)
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• 1911[15:40:53] <plasmoduck> andrew2221: try disabling the screensaver/lock
• 1912[15:41:13] <sypher> koollman: Every person on earth would have to have 40,000 fridges EACH with a /48 to run out.
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• 1918[15:42:03] <Dagger> plasmoduck: lotta crackpots out there, for whom IP is *also* over their heads
• 1919[15:42:26] <andrew2221> plasmoduck, thank you for the tip, the thing is, I need the lock, it's a machine I am using at work, so it needs to be pass protected.. Or do you want to know if it happens without the lock as well?
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• 1927[15:44:00] <Dagger> the general policy is /64 per LAN/subnet/L2 domain, which should be fine (that's hundreds of millions of subnets per person, with each subnet able to support essentially unlimited machines)
• 1928[15:44:19] <jolt> andrew2221: If it hangs, maybe you can switch to another terminal and see if that works? If so, it hasn't fully hung
• 1929[15:44:31] <Dagger> and even if it's not fine we have five unused /3s we could expand into, using tighter allocation policies if needed
• 1930[15:44:34] <plasmoduck> andrew2221: see if it happens without the lock
• 1931[15:44:40] <sypher> Dagger: That's actually a requirement, not just a guideline. A subnet MUST be a /64.
• 1932[15:45:10] <andrew2221> jolt: I did not tried that yet, thanks, I will try.. Tho, I don't know how this could lead me to something (some clue..).
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• 1934[15:45:15] <koollman> sypher: that's just for a fridge though. watch, phones, drone, cars, socks. whatever. :)
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• 1936[15:45:46] <andrew2221> plasmoduck: Ok. Thank you. Will be back, and let you know. Thank you.
• 1937[15:45:48] <sypher> koollman: Given 40000 /48s per person on earth, I'd probably say that every single device in your house could have its own /48 and we'd be fine. :P
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• 1939[15:46:03] <andrew2221> jolt: Thank you, I will report back.
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• 1941[15:46:18] <tkla2> Hello guys
• 1942[15:46:29] <koollman> sypher: yeah, I know the theory. but the mind does not deal well with large numbers
• 1943[15:46:33] <andrew2221> Bye everyone, see ya' tomorrow.
• 1944[15:46:42] <tkla2> I wan to disable Samba from starting on a server where i can´t just remove Samba itself from
• 1945[15:46:57] <Dagger> sypher: it's possible to use other sizes... but if you do it then somebody is fucking up somewhere
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• 1947[15:47:10] <tkla2> What is the easiest way to disable samba? I think it´s not been started by systemd
• 1948[15:47:15] <Dagger> (with the possible exception of p-t-p links where /126 makes some sense)
• 1949[15:47:44] <sypher> Dagger: /127 for PTP links. IPv6 no longer uses network IDs or broadcast addresses.
• 1950[15:47:51] <koollman> Dagger: wouldn't /127 make more sense ? (like /31 for ipv4)
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• 1952[15:48:00] <sypher> koollman: /31 doesn't work on IPv4.
• 1953[15:48:04] <koollman> sypher: it does
• 1954[15:48:05] <koollman> :)
• 1955[15:48:08] <sypher> It does not.
• 1956[15:48:11] <Dagger> you want to use ::0 for the router and ::1 for the client?
• 1957[15:48:17] <Dagger> when ::1 is more normally the router?
• 1958[15:48:20] <koollman> well, ok. it does if your device is not too old and knows about it
• 1959[15:48:23] <sypher> Dagger: The zero address is usable.
• 1960[15:48:30] <Dagger> ::1/::2 makes a lot more sense to me, at least
• 1961[15:48:33] <petn-randall> !ot
• 1962[15:48:33] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 1963[15:48:36] <koollman> sypher: replaced-url
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• 1965[15:48:58] <petn-randall> You might want to move over there --> #debian-offtopic ;)
• 1966[15:49:03] <koollman> (for ptp, you really do not need a broadcast and network address :) )
• 1967[15:49:17] <koollman> right, right
• 1968[15:49:23] <Dagger> also the zeros address is the subnet-router anycast address and thus not usable... except on /127s
• 1969[15:50:02] <koollman> that reminds me of something on topic, though. I should configure ipv6 on my machines and see what breaks this time :)
• 1970[15:50:08] <petn-randall> I'll join in on the discussion, just let's move it to the right channel.
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• 2006[16:09:35] <XeonSquared> Where would I get a copy of Debian 7 for PowerPC?
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• 2008[16:09:37] <Morp> howdy
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• 2011[16:10:17] <Papillon> replaced-url
• 2012[16:10:39] <Papillon> powerpc
• 2013[16:10:57] <petn-randall> XeonSquared: Debian 7 (squeeze) has reached EOL. Any reason you want to use an unsupported version?
• 2014[16:11:10] <Morp> Resurrecting an ancient machine I see.
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• 2016[16:12:59] <Papillon> I picked up a imac g5 from someone local for $20 just to run some old benchmarks and check some stuff and maybe use it as a secondary desktop... I just sort of assumed everything worked... everything was destroyed, the screen, the motherboard, the ram was snapped in two, there were parts of the hard drive and optical drive...
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• 2018[16:13:05] <Papillon> in case you were wondering
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• 2020[16:14:04] <Morp> The metal might be worth the $20
• 2021[16:14:17] <Papillon> strangely enough I may actually know the person that did it, although I don't know the person who sold it to me
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• 2023[16:15:58] <XeonSquared> petn-randall: Considering it's the newest version that can use the GPU on that machine, yes.
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• 2028[16:18:05] <wreckitkenny> hello
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• 2032[16:21:16] <jhutchins> !snapshot
• 2033[16:21:16] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 2034[16:21:19] <jhutchins> !archive
• 2035[16:21:19] <dpkg> archive is, like, a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
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• 2037[16:22:06] <petn-randall> XeonSquared: See above for ISOs ^^^. So you're saying they dropped that GPU support in recent kernel releases?
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• 2040[16:23:23] <XeonSquared> petn-randall: Well, I assume so. It ... displays.
• 2041[16:23:23] <Morp> This reminds me of when I tried to revive an early-Vista age laptop and Fedora was the only distro I could get to work on it.
• 2042[16:23:34] <XeonSquared> In distorted 4 colour mode 640x480 with no acceleration to speak of
• 2043[16:23:45] <XeonSquared> Lots of purple and black, y'know.
• 2044[16:24:02] <petn-randall> XeonSquared: I'm guessing that's something trivial to fix with a little digging.
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• 2046[16:24:15] <XeonSquared> I managed to fix the colours.
• 2047[16:24:24] <XeonSquared> Requires using radeonfb rather than one with 3D acceleration.
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• 2049[16:25:08] <XeonSquared> tbh I don't have a good reason to do anything with this machine, but if it's sitting on my desk I want it able to do stuff and I can't stand OS X so
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• 2057[16:27:18] <jwty> Hey
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• 2061[16:27:45] <jwty> Debian not booting dur to usb error
• 2062[16:27:54] <jwty> replaced-url
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• 2067[16:29:15] <Papillon> are you trying liveusb?
• 2068[16:29:45] <Papillon> replaced-url
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• 2070[16:29:57] <wreckitkenny> hi!
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• 2073[16:30:40] <jwty> No
• 2074[16:30:44] <sandiego> hey
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• 2076[16:30:49] <sandiego> steamui.so error how to fix it ?
• 2077[16:30:49] <jwty> I get same error
• 2078[16:30:54] <sandiego> you have ?
• 2079[16:30:55] <jwty> Woth ubuntu also
• 2080[16:30:55] <sandiego> .
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• 2082[16:31:14] <jwty> Papillon
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• 2090[16:34:15] <jwty> #flood
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• 2093[16:35:55] <sandiego> :P
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• 2097[16:37:50] * init7 BRB
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• 2102[16:38:40] <SANDIEG0> i fix it i was missing 32bit libs
• 2103[16:38:40] <SANDIEG0> tks
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• 2114[16:42:40] <Morp> sandiego I've had problems with Steam on Debian based stuff too. I've had CS:GO work on Mint but TF2 wont, but TF2 will work on Ubuntu and CS:GO wont.
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• 2116[16:43:46] <han-solo> you can't get everything!
• 2117[16:43:48] <han-solo> :}
• 2118[16:44:51] <Morp> Even stranger, Mint was on my SSD and Ubuntu was on my HDD.
• 2119[16:45:08] <Morp> TF2 would only work on the SSD no matter what distro it was running.
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• 2121[16:45:31] <Morp> I havnt given those a shot since I've graduated to Debian though.
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• 2126[16:46:09] <blastwave> is there a nice simple page some where which explains how to get debian stretch to operate exclusively via serial console? This means no graphics, no keyboard, no mouse
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• 2128[16:47:02] <Logg> don't install a graphical environment, and disable usb ports.
• 2129[16:47:36] <blastwave> Logg: nope ... that isn't enough ... did that
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• 2131[16:48:03] <blastwave> no keyboard, no monitor on the server now and yet if I plug them in ... they work
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• 2133[16:48:10] <Bliepo> Hello, I'm running a Debian server with openvpn and dnsmasq and want clients connecting to openvpn to use dnsmasq as dns, but it doesn't work. Connecting clients cannot use DNS at all instead.
• 2134[16:49:04] <Bliepo> Openvpn config: replaced-url
• 2135[16:50:26] <Bliepo> And output of iptables -l: replaced-url
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• 2137[16:52:05] <Bliepo> The TL;DR is: I set server to 10.7.0.0/24, pushed this route and pushed DNS as 10.7.0.1, but that doesn't work. I also cannot ping 10.7.0.1
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• 2139[16:52:14] <sypher> Bliepo: That whitelist model firewall setup is killing you in so many ways.
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• 2144[16:53:18] <Bliepo> sypher: Yeah, I had a hunch that there are some problems with it
• 2145[16:53:20] <sypher> Bliepo: Anyway, your openvpn configuration looks fine.
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• 2147[16:54:17] <Poster> I think you need to allow 53 udp and probably tcp on the INPUT side
• 2148[16:54:23] <Poster> can you paste the output of "iptables-save" ?
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• 2151[16:55:20] <Bliepo> iptables-save output: replaced-url
• 2152[16:55:55] <Bliepo> I would rather not allow port 53 on the INPUT side since the machine is linked directly to the replaced-url
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• 2154[16:57:25] <sypher> Bliepo: Honestly, you should look into something like ufw or arno-iptables-firewall.
• 2155[16:57:45] <sypher> Bliepo: It will do much of what you're trying to do, and more, but in a much more well-designed manner. Especially arno.
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• 2158[16:58:27] <Bliepo> Well, I used the frozentux tutorial on iptables, so all those weird chains are his design :P
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• 2160[16:59:09] <Bliepo> I'll look into ufw and arno-iptables-firewall
• 2161[17:00:30] <die7> Bliepo: allow 53 for your vpn clients
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• 2163[17:00:47] <sypher> Bliepo: arno is probably going to be more of what you want, since a VPN server is multihomed.
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• 2166[17:01:37] <sypher> Bliepo: replaced-url
• 2167[17:02:14] <Bliepo> die7: But is it not already allowed? Since I have this rule in iptables: -A INPUT -s 10.7.0.0/24 -i tun0 -j ACCEPT
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• 2171[17:03:53] <die7> Bliepo: upss sorry yepp
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• 2173[17:04:24] <Poster> so I am not fully caffeinated, but I don't think you have a rule permitting the port 53 traffic back to the VPN clients
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• 2177[17:05:02] <die7> Bliepo: but do your DNS server answer on tun0 device?
• 2178[17:05:03] <Poster> once that is in place, the only other thing to verify is that your dnsmasq instance is listening on the tun0 interface
• 2179[17:05:05] <Bliepo> So I would need a rule in output to allow this?
• 2180[17:05:23] <Poster> yeah I don't see an explicit rule nor an allow established rule
• 2181[17:05:33] <Bliepo> And how would I verify dnsmasq listens on tun0?
• 2182[17:05:45] <Poster> most DNS traffic is UDP, but queries larger than 512 bytes are TCP
• 2183[17:05:52] <mefistofeles> so, I upgraded a server from debian 7 to debian 8, I changed the apache conf files accordingly but I can't get SSL sites to work, any ideas what to look for or where I could messed it up? When I try to connect via https it just can't find it, as it the host doesn't exist
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• 2185[17:06:24] <Poster> netstat can tell you, try this: sudo netstat -peanut | grep 53
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• 2189[17:07:47] <Poster> mefistofeles: your best bet is going to be to look at apache logs, I want to say /var/log/apache or maybe /var/log/apache2
• 2190[17:07:50] <Bliepo> That doesn't tell which interface
• 2191[17:07:59] <Poster> no it shows listening addresses
• 2192[17:08:08] <Poster> 0.0.0.0:53 would be all
• 2193[17:08:11] <die7> Bliepo: but you see address of your VPN server
• 2194[17:08:24] <Poster> you'll either need 0.0.0.0:53 or 10.7.0.1:53
• 2195[17:08:27] <Bliepo> All I got was 0.0.0.0:53
• 2196[17:08:38] <Poster> ok so it's listening on all, which should cover it
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• 2198[17:09:10] <die7> Bliepo: dou you push dns settings for your clients?
• 2199[17:09:18] <Bliepo> die7: I do
• 2200[17:09:36] <die7> Bliepo: what they have in resolve.conf?
• 2201[17:09:39] <namer23434> Hello all. I've got a slightly inconvenient situation on my hand and I'm trying to avoid a longer route. I was upgrading to jessie when upgrade-distro started chunking due to lack of diskspace. long story short, I lvm'ed my parition, but had to run resize2fs and for that had to unmount, and before I knew it., I had rebooted on a machine without a kernel. So question is:
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• 2203[17:10:02] <Bliepo> They're Windows clients (6)
• 2204[17:10:08] <Poster> Bliepo: I am not sure how you are loading your iptables rulsets, but this should work around line 47
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• 2206[17:10:14] <Poster> -A OUTPUT -d 10.7.0.0/24 -i tun0 -j ACCEPT
• 2207[17:10:20] <Poster> sorry no
• 2208[17:10:23] <Poster> -A OUTPUT -d 10.7.0.0/24 -o tun0 -j ACCEPT
• 2209[17:10:27] <Poster> that ^^
• 2210[17:10:57] <Bliepo> Alright
• 2211[17:11:04] <Bliepo> Gonna test now, wish me luck!
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• 2213[17:11:16] <Poster> From what I can tell of your ruleset and what you've conveyed, iptables is permitting the traffic in, dnsmasq is listening, but iptables is not permitting the return traffic, resulting in failed lookups
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• 2215[17:11:20] <namer23434> I'm missing my initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 in boot, but I do have vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64. I have a live boot disk that I am using to try and salvage the situation
• 2216[17:11:30] <Bliepo> It works!!!
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• 2218[17:12:13] <Poster> namer23434: you probably need to just reinstall the dpkg, can you paste the output of "dpkg -l | grep 3.2.0" ?
• 2219[17:12:21] <petn-randall> namer23434: FYI, ext4 support online resizing. Regarding your situation, chroot into your system, then run 'apt-get install -f' to finish the upgrade.
• 2220[17:12:24] <petn-randall> !chroot
• 2221[17:12:24] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 2222[17:12:26] <petn-randall> namer23434: ^^^
• 2223[17:12:30] <namer23434> but I just can't figure out how to recreated the initrd.img-3.2.. if I use update-initramfs, it says disabled since running on read-only media, and using mkinitramfs gives me some errors
• 2224[17:12:33] <namer23434> what do you recommend?
• 2225[17:12:57] <Poster> "apt-get install --reinstall" should get it
• 2226[17:13:01] <Poster> just need to get the package name right
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• 2229[17:13:44] <namer23434> Ahh. great. thanks for the quick answers. Let me get to work
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• 2231[17:14:18] <namer23434> petn-randall: it's been a long night. I hit reboot out of sleep depravation and lack of attention.
• 2232[17:14:23] <Poster> if it broke, you may have run into a full disk/partition condition, if that is true, you may need to remove an old kernel and/or resize partition(s) for the reinstall to succeed
• 2233[17:15:01] <plasmoduck> is there something like siri I can get for debian where I can tell it to seach the web for x etc?
• 2234[17:15:06] <Poster> if the above is true, you should have a "backup" kernel available to boot with
• 2235[17:15:18] <namer23434> Poster: I've already resized and everything is nice and breezy at this point. Alright. let me get to work
• 2236[17:15:32] <Poster> ok gl!
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• 2243[17:17:13] <plasmoduck> Sirius
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• 2248[17:19:01] <petn-randall> plasmoduck: Nothing that is free software. But Google/Amazon/Apple/Microsoft all have such services, and they might have web plugins to use their speech-to-text services.
• 2249[17:20:10] <plasmoduck> petn-randall: check this out replaced-url
• 2250[17:20:18] <hicks_> plasmoduck: you could look into mycroft
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• 2252[17:20:27] <plasmoduck> its free and opensource
• 2253[17:20:39] <hicks_> replaced-url
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• 2255[17:21:21] <hicks_> Never used it, but there's an interview on jupiterbroadcasting from last year with the developer.
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• 2259[17:22:59] <petn-randall> plasmoduck: Looks complicated, have a go at it :)
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• 2264[17:24:17] <plasmoduck> petn-randall: looks like fun :)
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• 2281[17:32:58] <jhutchins> plasmoduck: The thing about the Amazon, Google, and Apple services it that they're not a local program. They send your voice sample to a central voice recognition system on their network. It does "best guess" analysis and searches the main database for matching phrases.
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• 2286[17:33:54] <jhutchins> plasmoduck: If that phrase matches a reasonable command, they execute the command either locally or as on the net as needed.
• 2287[17:34:18] <tw> It also gets to use a much better trained language model.
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• 2289[17:34:38] <namer23434> Poster and petn-randall: I've managed to chroot and get the update-initramfs to work, but I also seem to have blown my GRUB.
• 2290[17:34:56] <namer23434> I think it's time for me to call it a night. you guys have any last words of advice before I hit the hay?
• 2291[17:35:05] <petn-randall> namer23434: Did you finish the upgrade?
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• 2295[17:35:25] <petn-randall> namer23434: Oh, ok. Have a good night's rest then. Just ask in this channel if you want to continue fixing your system.
• 2296[17:35:37] <jhutchins> tw: Certainly much larger than you could have on a local system.
• 2297[17:35:47] <plasmoduck> Yes it looks promising jhutchins here is an updated version of it replaced-url
• 2298[17:35:53] <Poster> namer23434: Make sure if you have a separate /boot partition that it is mounted in your chroot partition, you can also try calling update-grub
• 2299[17:36:00] <mefistofeles> Poster: do I need the gnutls_module in apache for ssl to work? or just the ssl_module is enough?
• 2300[17:36:05] <namer23434> petn-randall: I wasn't able to finish the upgrade. it complained about locales, and also I could see that it as updating the wrong dpkg.
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• 2302[17:36:17] <mefistofeles> Poster: I found that's the only difference between both servers (the one without gnutls works)
• 2303[17:36:26] <namer23434> Poster: roger that. I will try update-grub
• 2304[17:36:36] <namer23434> thanks to both of you. Time for some rest.
• 2305[17:36:44] <Poster> np, gn
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• 2308[17:37:11] <asarch> ,kernel
• 2309[17:37:13] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
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• 2316[17:39:54] <jhutchins> ,v sane-backends
• 2317[17:39:55] <judd> No package named 'sane-backends' was found in amd64.
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• 2392[18:18:09] <AlexPortable> sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
• 2393[18:18:18] <AlexPortable> im trying to use su username -c "command"
• 2394[18:18:48] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: Why is sudo giving an error message if you're using su?
• 2395[18:18:56] <AlexPortable> because im starting th escript with sudo
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• 2398[18:19:07] <AlexPortable> so i dont have to fill in password
• 2399[18:19:29] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: It's more helpful to give the exact command you have problems with than to obfuscate them.
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• 2401[18:19:56] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: Are you AlexLikeRock?
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• 2403[18:20:33] <AlexPortable> su alexportable -c "runthisfirst"
• 2404[18:20:42] <AlexPortable> there is the full command
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• 2463[18:51:12] <degenerate> does deleting a partition and creating a bigger one in its place delete what was in that partition?
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• 2465[18:51:32] <sypher> As long as the start point of the partition remains the same.
• 2466[18:51:47] <sypher> Sorry, incomplete statement.
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• 2468[18:52:08] <sypher> As long as the start point of the partition remains the same, the filesystem should be usable. You'll still have to tell the filesystem that it has more space to use, which is easily done with the proper commands.
• 2469[18:53:42] <degenerate> ok. thanks for the clarification, i never knew that, and a forum post is telling me to do it in order to make the partition bigger. and it just sounded so sketchy.
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• 2472[18:54:07] <sypher> This, by the way, is why people like me use logical volumes.
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• 2476[18:54:19] <sypher> Resizing an LVM is far easier than resizing a partition on disk.
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• 2481[18:56:12] <petn-randall> degenerate: It should give you a bigger partition in the end, but as always with such operations, make a backup first. A simple typo in the partition start could hose your data.
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• 2483[18:57:06] <degenerate> yeah, am doing that. imaging the card first with dd.
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• 2485[18:58:19] <degenerate> thanks for help guys!
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• 2532[19:30:12] <newcoder> Is there any 4.9-amd64 kernel from jessie-backport?
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• 2541[19:32:51] <sypher> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 2542[19:32:52] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+79~bpo8+1; sid: 4.9+79; stretch: 4.9+79
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• 2548[19:34:59] <rohit__> hello Guys, I am trying to connect to vncserver from vnc viewer, but all i see is grey screen, can anyone help please
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• 2555[19:36:52] <newcoder> aptitude search linux-image = replaced-url
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• 2557[19:37:11] <newcoder> No linux-image-amd64-4.9
• 2558[19:37:13] <newcoder> sypher: ^
• 2559[19:37:29] <rohit__> hello Guys, I am trying to connect to vncserver from vnc viewer, but all i see is grey screen, can anyone help please
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• 2561[19:37:58] <sypher> newcoder: Looks like you're on a 32-bit system.
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• 2565[19:38:28] <sypher> newcoder: Or is that some multilib thing? I dunno.
• 2566[19:38:34] <sypher> newcoder: But the package exists, dunno what to tell you.
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• 2568[19:38:38] <newcoder> I'm on 32 bit system.
• 2569[19:39:01] <sypher> newcoder: replaced-url
• 2570[19:39:04] <jelly> newcoder: you will have to enable multiarch and amd64 arch if you want to install those backported kernels, then
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• 2572[19:39:15] <sypher> jelly: Thank you.
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• 2575[19:40:14] <jelly> newcoder: and then you'll b able to install something like linux-image-amd64:amd64
• 2576[19:40:56] <newcoder> jelly: How can I enable multiarch and amd64 arch?
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• 2578[19:41:08] <jelly> newcoder: /msg dpkg multiarch
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• 2580[19:42:01] <jelly> (the example from that factoid is pretty much the opposite of what you seem to want)
• 2581[19:42:13] <jelly> (that's why it's an _example_)
• 2582[19:42:33] <rohit__> any vnc expert here?, I need help with vncserver please
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• 2584[19:42:44] <newcoder> I got this: replaced-url
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• 2586[19:43:12] <jelly> newcoder: which command you got that from?
• 2587[19:43:19] <jelly> !bat
• 2588[19:43:19] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2589[19:43:58] <newcoder> jelly: aptitude update
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• 2592[19:45:15] <jelly> newcoder: seems correct, and packages with those names are really obsolete. kernel abi for jessie-backports has changed in the meantime and so have the package names for linux kernels
• 2593[19:45:39] <newcoder> jelly: Should I remove those?
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• 2598[19:46:29] <jelly> newcoder: they will get no further security fixes. So, when you're sure you're not actually booting one of those, sure, remove them.
• 2599[19:47:31] <newcoder> jelly: Do you use backports kernel?
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• 2601[19:47:54] <jelly> yes
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• 2605[19:49:47] <newcoder> jelly: Which one?
• 2606[19:49:56] <newcoder> uname -a ?
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• 2608[19:50:09] <jelly> newcoder: just ask your real question.
• 2609[19:50:19] <jelly> if you have any.
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• 2612[19:50:40] <sypher> Guess not.
• 2613[19:50:49] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 2633[19:56:53] <jelly> (and yes I have systems still on i386 userspace, running a backported amd64 kernel, but having to prove it seems... unrelated to helping someone do the same)
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• 2637[19:57:19] <newcoder> Is there any problem if we use backport kernel?
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• 2640[19:58:13] <jelly> newcoder: in your case, it will try to pull in some extra :amd64 userspace bits, but most of those can be worked around with --without-recommends
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• 2643[19:59:29] <jelly> newcoder: I guess it's about the same probability of problems as using backported -686 kernels. Try It And See.
• 2644[19:59:40] <newcoder> ls /boot = replaced-url
• 2645[20:00:09] <jelly> newcoder: usually people have a good reason to use a newer kernel in the first place, as in something failing to work on the current one
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• 2647[20:01:00] <jelly> newcoder: so, two questions: 1. is your hardware 64-bit capable? 2. what's wrong with the current running kernel?
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• 2653[20:02:07] <newcoder> jelly: 1. 64-bit capable 2. nothing wrong
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• 2656[20:02:20] <jelly> so why do you want a newer kernel?
• 2657[20:02:24] <newcoder> I want to use updated kernel
• 2658[20:02:27] <jelly> why?
• 2659[20:02:49] <jelly> no specific reason, just because it's Shiny and New?
• 2660[20:02:53] <newcoder> Higher numbers in kernel is attracting me like ubuntu kernels
• 2661[20:03:11] <sypher> !sns
• 2662[20:03:11] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 2663[20:03:18] <newcoder> Like 4.9 or 4.10
• 2664[20:03:19] <jelly> that's fine, but it also makes me less interesting in helping
• 2665[20:03:30] <jelly> interested*
• 2666[20:03:46] <newcoder> Old kernel makes you more interested? why?
• 2667[20:03:53] <`Kevin> stability
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• 2669[20:04:21] <jelly> users with actual issues make me more interested
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• 2672[20:04:40] <newcoder> People want to use newer kernel.
• 2673[20:04:45] <n4dir> jesus.
• 2674[20:05:26] <jelly> but hey, go enable amd64 foreign arch, do an update, try to install linux-image-amd64:amd64 from jessie-backports and see where it ends
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• 2676[20:05:40] <sypher> No, YOU want to use a newer kernel because funsies. Don't conflate your lack of understanding with "people."
• 2677[20:05:45] <`Kevin> newcoder: a newer kernel doesn't mean better, typically one upgrades kernel for either a security fix or feature that the specifically need. A newer kernel could mean regression or other bugs, if you do not have an actual purpose in upgrading you are not doing anything productive
• 2678[20:05:47] <sypher> I'm people, and I want stable software that works.
• 2679[20:06:04] <bolt> i want my shit so old i can plant flowers in it
• 2680[20:06:07] <jelly> sypher: playing around with stuff is also a good reason
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• 2683[20:06:31] <jelly> especially if you manage to break things, and then learn about fixing them
• 2684[20:06:34] <sypher> jelly: Then he should play around with it, rather than breaking a system and expecting people to walk him through how.
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• 2687[20:06:44] <`Kevin> jelly: indeed, thats a fine line but it exists :)
• 2688[20:06:54] <newcoder> jelly: What's the way to enable amd64 foreign arch?
• 2689[20:07:07] <jelly> newcoder: /msg dpkg multiarch
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• 2691[20:07:59] <jelly> type that in your irc client, then read the response, visit the links listed, read those and try to understand the concepts
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• 2693[20:08:35] <newcoder> dpkg
• 2694[20:08:37] <newcoder> --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update
• 2695[20:08:44] <newcoder> this should add i386 not amd64
• 2696[20:08:49] <jelly> right
• 2697[20:08:53] <jelly> that's an example.
• 2698[20:09:08] <jelly> you want to add amd64 instead.
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• 2701[20:09:14] <newcoder> Shouuld It be dpkg --add-architecture amd64
• 2702[20:09:15] <newcoder> ?
• 2703[20:09:30] <jelly> newcoder: what do you think?
• 2704[20:09:33] <degenerate> well my sd card backup is finally done. but i can't figure out how to delete and recreate the partition. when i open fdisk and hit 'd' i get "No partition is defined yet! Could not delete partition 81229" when i hit 'v' i get "Remaining 7469055 unallocated 512-byte sectors."
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• 2706[20:10:16] <degenerate> also when first opening fdisk i get "/dev/mmcblk0p2: device contains a valid 'ext4' signature, it's strongly recommended to wipe the device by command wipefs(8) if this setup is unexpected to avoid possible collisions."
• 2707[20:10:45] <jelly> degenerate: which device are you opening with fdisk
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• 2709[20:11:16] <jelly> /dev/mmcblk0p2 is second partition, /dev/mmcblk0 is the whole card
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• 2711[20:11:25] <jelly> you want to work on the whole device
• 2712[20:11:26] <degenerate> jelly: i ran "mount" to find the device, "/dev/mmcblk0p2 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,data=ordered)" then i ran fdisk /dev/mmcblk0p2
• 2713[20:11:32] <degenerate> ohhhhh
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• 2715[20:11:49] <degenerate> so just " fdisk /dev/mmcblk" ?
• 2716[20:11:55] <jelly> no
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• 2718[20:12:08] <jelly> /dev/mmcblk0 is the whole card
• 2719[20:12:11] <degenerate> ohhh i see with the 0 ok
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• 2721[20:12:24] <jelly> degenerate: which debian release is this?
• 2722[20:12:30] <degenerate> much better!
• 2723[20:12:34] <degenerate> jelly its jessie
• 2724[20:12:51] <newcoder> What's the difference between linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 and linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64:amd64 ?
• 2725[20:12:52] <degenerate> but like a modified jessie cause its actually raspbx (free pbx on raspberry pi image)
• 2726[20:13:06] <newcoder> Both say: Linux 3.16 for 64-bit PCs
• 2727[20:13:44] <jelly> degenerate: it's probably not the sanest idea to mangle partition table of a card you've currently booted from
• 2728[20:13:56] <jelly> also, that images is probably based on
• 2729[20:14:00] <jelly> !raspbian
• 2730[20:14:00] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2731[20:14:03] <jelly> not debian
• 2732[20:14:33] <jelly> but who knows
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• 2735[20:15:20] <jelly> newcoder: they're basically same contents, just one resides in "i386" arch part of the repo, and the other comes from "amd64" arch
• 2736[20:16:13] <degenerate> jelly: my only option, my other computer is OSX, and i don't have tools to manage ext4 on osx
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• 2742[20:16:57] <tw> are you trying to expand the rootfs or what?
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• 2748[20:17:47] <jelly> degenerate: boot a linux vm on that mac?
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• 2752[20:18:34] <jelly> I bet raspbian people have ready-made scripts for resizing existing partitions and filesystems to fit the available space
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• 2754[20:18:42] <tw> degenerate: raspi-config --expand-rootfs
• 2755[20:18:46] <tw> exactly that script
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• 2758[20:20:02] <jelly> degenerate, tw: right. That thing does not exist in Debian, so if you have it, #raspbian is the right (or, a much better) place to ask
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• 2770[20:24:46] <degenerate> hah good thing i made a backup, completely destroyed that thing.
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• 2772[20:25:00] <degenerate> yeah, i'll try to see if that tool exists once i restore
• 2773[20:25:02] <degenerate> thanks for the help
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• 2779[20:26:37] <jelly> you can do it manually if you're very very careful to wipe a partition and create a new one starting from _exactly_ the same sector offset
• 2780[20:26:46] <jelly> s/wipe/delete/
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• 2788[20:27:52] * jelly remembers a jr. admin destroying a VM recently in pretty much the same way
• 2789[20:28:15] <jelly> it's recoverable if you have a second boot media
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• 2796[20:31:27] <cdb23ax> hello guys i have a problem with a debian system. i have a kvm guest debian with a qcow2 image file. i went out of space on my debian then i shrink the qcow2 file and after that i was unable to boot. I did a fsck as suggested then reboot. everything except my mysql database is working
• 2797[20:32:04] <cdb23ax> i get 2 errors in mysql.log -> 170327 14:09:21 InnoDB: Assertion failure in thread 140286728341248 in file fut0lst.ic line 83
• 2798[20:32:04] <cdb23ax> InnoDB: Failing assertion: addr.page == FIL_NULL || addr.boffset >= FIL_PAGE_DATA
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• 2800[20:33:05] <cdb23ax> it says something about forcing-innodb-recovery
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• 2802[20:33:11] <cdb23ax> whats that exactly?
• 2803[20:33:20] <die7> cdb23ax: rollback
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• 2811[20:34:46] <cdb23ax> what will happen if i enter innodb_force_recovery = 1 in my my.cnf?
• 2812[20:34:57] <die7> cdb23ax: your DB is damaged, try to repair your db
• 2813[20:35:16] <die7> cdb23ax: try with =4
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• 2818[20:36:05] <cdb23ax> okay and why 4?
• 2819[20:36:06] <die7> cdb23ax: hope you have last good backup of your db
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• 2825[20:37:31] <cdb23ax> is it safe to copy /var/lib/mysql folder before trying the recovery?
• 2826[20:37:47] <cdb23ax> because the mysql docu mentions that 4 can permanently corrupt data
• 2827[20:37:57] <die7> cdb23ax: replaced-url
• 2828[20:38:02] <FinalX> "4"?
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• 2830[20:39:04] <die7> cdb23ax: since your system was out of space DB is out of sync , so as next 1) do you have valid backup?
• 2831[20:39:34] <cdb23ax> no backup0
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• 2833[20:39:38] <die7> FinalX: 4 (SRV_FORCE_NO_IBUF_MERGE) Prevents insert buffer merge operations.
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• 2835[20:40:08] <FinalX> oh, the recovery flag
• 2836[20:40:18] <FinalX> well, it's always a good idea to make a backup copy when attempting a recovery
• 2837[20:40:24] <FinalX> in case you mess up the recovery, you can try again
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• 2840[20:40:40] <cdb23ax> so is it enough to only copy /var/lib/mysql folder
• 2841[20:40:57] <die7> cdb23ax: use mysqldump
• 2842[20:41:04] <cdb23ax> or are there any files somewhere else?
• 2843[20:41:07] <FinalX> he probably can't if his db is corrupt
• 2844[20:41:30] <FinalX> cdb23ax: normally, everything is under /var/lib/mysql, unless the config has paths elsewhere, check datadir / place for binary logs
• 2845[20:42:22] <die7> cdb23ax: you can move innodb_data to temp folder and try to retart mysql server
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• 2848[20:43:30] <die7> cdb23ax: since this is a virtual system, please do a clone before you change anything
• 2849[20:43:33] <newcoder> ls /lib/modules = 3.16.0-4-686-pae 3.16.0-4-amd64 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 , how can I remove 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae and 3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 2855[20:44:35] <die7> cdb23ax: replaced-url
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• 2859[20:46:59] <somiaj> newcoder: why do you want to remove those?
• 2860[20:47:11] <newcoder> I don't need those modules
• 2861[20:47:18] <somiaj> newcoder: first you should remove the package that owns the files inside that dir, second you should probably keep the 3.16 kernel around even if you are using the backport kernel as a backup
• 2862[20:47:24] <newcoder> No kernel named 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae or 3.16.0-4-amd64
• 2863[20:47:47] <somiaj> newcoder: dpkg -l | grep linux-image (can I have that output please)
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• 2865[20:48:16] <newcoder> ii linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae 3.16.39-1 i386 Linux 3.16 for modern PCs
• 2866[20:48:19] <newcoder> ii linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 4.9.13-1~bpo8+1 amd64 Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
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• 2874[20:50:51] <somiaj> newcoder: output of dpkg -S /lib/modules/4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae
• 2875[20:50:58] <somiaj> newcoder: make sure you get the directory correct
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• 2879[20:52:03] <newcoder> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /lib/modules/4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae
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• 2881[20:52:26] <newcoder> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 2883[20:52:58] <somiaj> newcoder: that says no debian packgae owns any files in there. Most likely those directories are mostly empty? Do you use dkms moudles that you build for your system?
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• 2885[20:53:24] <newcoder> What is dkms?
• 2886[20:53:37] <newcoder> I think, virtualbox needs those files
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• 2889[20:53:43] <newcoder> vboxdrv.ko vboxnetadp.ko vboxnetflt.ko vboxpci.ko
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• 2891[20:53:59] <missmbob> only for current running kernel
• 2892[20:54:12] <newcoder> missmbob: What do you mean?
• 2893[20:54:36] <missmbob> you dont need those files for old kernels that have since been removed. just the one you currently use
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• 2895[20:55:15] <newcoder> Ok
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• 2911[21:00:40] <cdb23ax> ok thank you but after I added innodb_force_recovery = 4 to my.cnf i get exactly the same error
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• 2914[21:01:36] <die7> cdb23ax: u have done all steps described on last link?
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• 2916[21:02:04] <cdb23ax> ok iam sorry i copied the innodb_force_recovery to the wrong location in my.cnf
• 2917[21:02:25] <cdb23ax> now the mysql service itself starts
• 2918[21:02:49] <die7> cdb23ax: now try to backup ypur (all dbs)
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• 3029[21:45:46] <Somelauw> I was trying to install debian 9 and when i tried to resize "basic data partition", it prints in tty4 "Error running 'ntfsresize --info' NTFSsignature is missing ERROR(22): Opening '/dev/nvmeOn1' as NTFS failed: Invalid argument. Should I report this as a bug somewhere or am I doing something wrong?
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• 3037[21:48:18] <centrx> Somelauw: First search online for "NTFSsignature is missing"
• 3038[21:48:48] <Mindiell> hi again ;o)
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• 3043[21:49:04] <Mindiell> new problems : I have a lot of "git" sesion in pam how can I kill them ?
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• 3059[21:54:18] <hlmjr> Anybody know when std::runtime_error was added to libstc++? Looks like Debian wheezy doesn't have it.
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• 3066[21:57:22] <petn-randall> Somelauw crossposted, the discussion is continued on #debian-next.
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• 3083[22:06:00] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello, I'd like to learn a few things about building a system image (Debian, e.g.) by using debootstrap. My aim is to build an image for an arm architecture. Is there anybody who may help me?
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• 3097[22:10:10] <Enrico_Menotti> I will detail what I am thinking about. I have an old tablet, arm based, and I know how to upload a kernel and an initrd and boot them. Now I have compiled a specific Linux kernel, but I am missing a system image. I'd like to prepare the latter on my macOS, or on a Linux distribution running on my Mac.
• 3098[22:11:42] <Enrico_Menotti> I have seen that the common procedure is by debootstrap, in two steps; the first seems easy, while the second seems to require running on the target device, or at least using an emulator.
• 3099[22:11:52] <Enrico_Menotti> Is there a way to simplify the procedure?
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• 3118[22:18:00] <sobczyk_> hi I've change NAME_REGEX so it matches my company naming, but now it broke udev postinst script (udev 215-17+deb8u6)
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• 3122[22:19:12] <sobczyk_> t tells the standard adduser error about NAME REGEX, and then error processing package (--confgure) subprocess installed post-nstallation script returned error ext status 1
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• 3126[22:20:39] <sobczyk_> I could not find any adduser call in postinst
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• 3134[22:25:01] <AlexPortable> how do I run a command s another user without asking for password of that user?
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• 3142[22:29:22] <bin_bash> AlexPortable: why would you want to do that
• 3143[22:29:32] <AlexPortable> to run it as another user
• 3144[22:29:51] <phogg> AlexPortable: you can use sudo to configure that, but you are opening up some security problems
• 3145[22:30:00] <AlexPortable> why security problems
• 3146[22:30:06] <AlexPortable> you mean i should just put the users password there every time
• 3147[22:30:19] <phogg> AlexPortable: any time I can pretend to be someone else it's bad for security
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• 3149[22:31:31] <greycat> AlexPortable: if it's a boot script, your script is running as root, so you can "drop down" to the target user with su without needing a password.
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• 3151[22:33:01] <sobczyk_> ok, found it, udev.postinst uses "addgroup --system input" sn't this a screwup?
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• 3158[22:34:30] <AlexPortable> phogg: true but that doesnt matter in this case
• 3159[22:34:36] <AlexPortable> greycat: it's not boot script
• 3160[22:34:41] <AlexPortable> i invoke the script with sudo
• 3161[22:34:55] <AlexPortable> so i either i have to change the users password every time, or i use sudo
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• 3163[22:35:08] <AlexPortable> (or some sort of run as user way what im looking for now)
• 3164[22:35:13] <sobczyk_> why expose NAME_REGEX if t fails installing system packages, or why use adduser/addgroup wthout --force-badname
• 3165[22:35:18] <TomTomTo1> AlexPortable: su - user -c "command"
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• 3172[22:37:04] <AlexPortable> thats still the users password
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• 3176[22:37:48] <greycat> AlexPortable: what are you trying to do?
• 3177[22:37:53] <TomTomTo1> not if you run it as root, which you said you did.
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• 3179[22:38:06] <AlexPortable> oh so sudo su - user -c "command"
• 3180[22:38:32] <AlexPortable> greycat: trying to run my own script as another user
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• 3182[22:38:36] <AlexPortable> or well, a command in that
• 3183[22:38:38] <greycat> GRRRRR
• 3184[22:38:40] <AlexPortable> im starting the script with sudo rights
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• 3188[22:38:51] <greycat> If you run the script AS ROOT, then you can use su inside it.
• 3189[22:38:54] <greycat> To drop down.
• 3190[22:38:57] <AlexPortable> i run it as sudo
• 3191[22:38:57] <greycat> Without a fucking password.
• 3192[22:39:11] <AlexPortable> you mean i should put the su - username -c "command" in my script
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• 3195[22:40:28] <sobczyk_> should file a bug against udev?
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• 3198[22:41:35] <cdb23ax> hello i have a mysql forcing-innodb-recovery problem
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• 3200[22:42:35] <AlexPortable> greycat: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
• 3201[22:42:37] <cdb23ax> i tried to start mysql with innodb_force_recovery = 4 and i was able to dump the databases but how can I drop the databeses? DROP DATABASE alex; does not work it gives a ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server during query
• 3202[22:43:06] <greycat> AlexPortable: we said su, idiot.
• 3203[22:43:11] <AlexPortable> yes
• 3204[22:43:13] <AlexPortable> i used su, idiot
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• 3207[22:43:27] <greycat> No, you obviously did not. Your error says sudo.
• 3208[22:43:30] <AlexPortable> if su - alexportable2 -c "program1"; then
• 3209[22:43:32] <AlexPortable> this is in my script
• 3210[22:43:34] <AlexPortable> there is no sudo here
• 3211[22:43:39] <AlexPortable> i started the script with sudo
• 3212[22:43:48] <AlexPortable> i know the error says sudo i can read
• 3213[22:43:49] <greycat> In a terminal?
• 3214[22:43:54] <AlexPortable> yes
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• 3216[22:44:16] <greycat> Run it with -x, same way you would debug any other misbehaving sh or bash script.
• 3217[22:44:26] <AlexPortable> what does that do
• 3218[22:44:26] <greycat> Find out what COMMAND is actually CAUSING the error.
• 3219[22:44:32] <AlexPortable> this command
• 3220[22:44:38] <AlexPortable> without this command no errors
• 3221[22:44:43] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3222[22:44:45] <AlexPortable> if su - alexportable2 -c "program1"; then
• 3223[22:45:08] <greycat> maybe the error is coming from inside program1
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• 3251[22:56:09] <AlexPortable> how can i give an user permissions to write to a certain folder?
• 3252[22:56:25] <AlexPortable> I want user alexportable to be able to write to /etc/program1/
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• 3254[22:57:04] <greycat> Traditionally, add him to the group that has write perms on that directory, which you would decide upon, or create, in your role as the project admin.
• 3255[22:57:28] <greycat> New leet rubbish, use ACLs or whatever because they're more complicated and everyone LOVES to increase complexity this century.
• 3256[22:57:37] <AlexPortable> the folder is owned by root:root
• 3257[22:57:40] <greycat> Change that.
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• 3259[22:57:50] <AlexPortable> root:username ?
• 3260[22:57:51] <greycat> Or bypass it with an ACL.
• 3261[22:57:55] <greycat> root:groupname
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• 3265[22:58:02] <greycat> Why do I have to say things more than ocne?
• 3266[22:58:13] <AlexPortable> well, isnt the username the group name?
• 3267[22:58:17] <greycat> FUCKING NO
• 3268[22:58:26] <AlexPortable> when i ls -la on /home, i see alexportable:alexportable
• 3269[22:58:35] <greycat> Christ. You have no idea what a group is. At all.
• 3270[22:58:45] <AlexPortable> thats right
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• 3278[22:59:58] <greycat> Start with "man 5 group" I guess.
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• 3282[23:00:39] <AlexPortable> from /etc/group: alexportable:x:1001:
• 3283[23:00:42] <AlexPortable> that means alexportable is a group no?
• 3284[23:00:52] <greycat> It is. But it's not the group you should be using for this project.
• 3285[23:01:04] <AlexPortable> so i should add a new group, where both alexportable and root are in?
• 3286[23:01:19] <greycat> You should probably CREATE a group SPECIFICALLY for this project, unless you can stop pussyfooting around and use the REAL NAMES of THINGS so we can figure out what the hell you are DOING.
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• 3289[23:02:44] <greycat> What does this directory DO? What does it MEAN? What files are in it? What uses them? What is their meaning?
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• 3291[23:02:52] <AlexPortable> config files
• 3292[23:02:57] <greycat> *plonk*
• 3293[23:02:59] <AlexPortable> apache reads from it
• 3294[23:03:06] <AlexPortable> and i have to give user permission to write
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• 3296[23:03:14] <AlexPortable> /etc/apache2/
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• 3299[23:05:04] <AlexPortable> its apcahe folder greycat
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• 3301[23:05:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> how many users should be able to change files in that directory
• 3302[23:05:43] <AlexPortable> 1
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• 3304[23:05:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> and will they make new files or not
• 3305[23:05:51] <AlexPortable> yes
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• 3307[23:06:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, if nobody has to share, just about anything will work
• 3308[23:06:17] <AlexPortable> they will write into subfolders
• 3309[23:06:24] <AlexPortable> apache has to be able to read from it still
• 3310[23:06:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> they sounds like >1
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• 3312[23:06:42] <AlexPortable> since its apache config directory
• 3313[23:06:59] <AlexPortable> i think user create / change, and apache read
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• 3316[23:08:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> /etc/apache2 is probably readable for everyone in your case anyway?
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• 3320[23:08:23] <AlexPortable> i think yes
• 3321[23:09:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> if you have root access anyway, I'd just use "su" to become root each time I want to edit something
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• 3323[23:09:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> you chould just make alexportable the owner of the files and make sure they are still readable for everyone
• 3324[23:10:18] <AlexPortable> so alexportable:alexportable
• 3325[23:10:35] <greycat> I'm no longer seeing the context of CutMeOwnThroat's comments, but it *sounds* like the dude was trying to write a ridiculously complex shell script to make automated changes to Apache config files. That sounds BAD.
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• 3327[23:11:22] <bin_bash> o.o
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• 3331[23:12:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> no, I think he just wants the single user who's on the system to have write access so one doesn't need to become root for every edit… which I suppose are frequent
• 3332[23:12:15] <greycat> Also the *plonk* was for the continuing REFUSAL to identify what the FUCK he was doing. He could have said "/etc/apache2" 30 minutes ago and saved a LOT of confusion and teeth-pulling.
• 3333[23:12:19] <phogg> greycat: even reading both sides I am not so clear on what's happening
• 3334[23:12:22] <die7> AlexPortable: why u not try s-bit
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• 3336[23:12:38] <AlexPortable> greycat: It's not only for apache. thats why i didnt say the folder
• 3337[23:12:48] <AlexPortable> because you might give me an apache solution which won't work for other folders in the future
• 3338[23:12:48] <greycat> CutMeOwnThroat: why would one be making frequent changes to Apache configs....
• 3339[23:12:50] <AlexPortable> die7: s-bit ?
• 3340[23:13:23] <phogg> AlexPortable: are you making some kind of general system admin tool that can change configuration of many different things?
• 3341[23:13:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> just something like chown -R alexportable /etc/apache2 _OR_ chgroup -R alexportable /etc/apache2 ; chmod -R g+w /etc/apache2 would do it (either of them)… if you want better advice, you still need to describe the problem in a lot more details
• 3342[23:13:57] <die7> AlexPortable: I do not have time to read all, but you can execute a script or program as "anoter" user or as he with s-bit
• 3343[23:14:01] <AlexPortable> CutMeOwnThroat: will that still preseve the other group?
• 3344[23:14:05] <AlexPortable> phogg: no
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• 3349[23:14:45] <phogg> AlexPortable: Are you trying to set up some kind of orchestration so that configuration changes can be pushed out to multiple hosts from a central place?
• 3350[23:14:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> greycat, I don't know… he didn't say. The thing I try to never to forget is, that the people who can ask the correct question probably have no need to turn up here, yesno? Because being able to ask the right question mostly means mr. google can answer faster than we can.
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• 3352[23:14:59] <greycat> die7: scripts cannot be setuid
• 3353[23:15:01] <AlexPortable> phogg: no
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• 3355[23:15:30] <phogg> AlexPortable: We could keep playing 20 questions or you could explain what it is you're doing.
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• 3358[23:16:13] <AlexPortable> im trying to give user permission to apache config folder
• 3359[23:16:17] <AlexPortable> to add some vhosts
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• 3361[23:16:45] <sypher> So enable ACLs and add an ACL entry that grants him write access to those files.
• 3362[23:17:00] <die7> greycat: oh, sorry ..sure
• 3363[23:18:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> perl :P
• 3364[23:18:17] <phogg> AlexPortable: Fine, don't tell me.
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• 3366[23:18:44] <AlexPortable> i didn't tell you phogg ?
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• 3368[23:19:09] <phogg> sypher: I think trying to explain ACLs is overly optimistic, given where we are in this conversation
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• 3370[23:19:35] <phogg> AlexPortable: You already said it *was not just about apache*, so clearly you are not just trying to give a user permission to access apache config.
• 3371[23:19:41] <greycat> We already discovered that he didn't even understand Unix groups.
• 3372[23:19:42] <AlexPortable> i am
• 3373[23:19:47] <sypher> phogg: Oh, so he's blatantly lying about his intentions.
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• 3375[23:19:58] <AlexPortable> but i want to be able to do the same later for different folders maybe
• 3376[23:20:03] <phogg> sypher: I choose to charitably say that he is excessively confused
• 3377[23:20:05] <sypher> For different folders maybe.
• 3378[23:20:12] <sypher> phogg: I'm nowhere near as charitable as you.
• 3379[23:20:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> AlexPortable, why can't the user who does this become root?
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• 3381[23:20:47] <die7> AlexPortable: use sudo-rights all leave it
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• 3386[23:21:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> AlexPortable, if he's really the only person doing this, and it's because he's only doing the apache stuff and there are very few users on that system (like 3 admins or so), then just chown it as I said before
• 3387[23:21:52] <AlexPortable> CutMeOwnThroat: because that would allow him to do everything on the system
• 3388[23:22:12] <die7> AlexPortable: define group and command which user/group should execute on file
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• 3390[23:22:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> the whole apache config directory will then become his and all he has to make sure is that apache can read it
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• 3393[23:23:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> AlexPortable, he'll still need to be able to tell apache to reload the configuration, if apache's mode of reading config hasn't changed… guess you'd need to look at sudo for that
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• 3396[23:24:41] <phogg> AlexPortable: create a group called apache-config-writers, add the user to that group. chgrp -R apache-config-writers /etc/apache2 ; chmod g+rw /etc/apache2. Add an entry in sudoers that allows members of apache-config-writers to issue an apache reload command. The sudoer policy will decide which password if any is required.
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• 3400[23:25:17] <phogg> AlexPortable: to adapt this for another purpose later make a *different group* and then use that different group in all places named above.
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• 3446[23:52:37] <bubbely> any audio programmers in here?
• 3447[23:52:42] <bubbely> or anyone know an audio rpogramming channel..
• 3448[23:53:02] <bin_bash> audio programming?
• 3449[23:53:04] <bin_bash> like radio?
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• 3452[23:53:53] <bubbely> hmm no bluetooth
• 3453[23:53:57] <bubbely> I've gotten as far as connecting to a bluetooth device ( a speaker ) and i have the power to write() to it. i just need to know in what format i've gotta do the writing for sound to come out! anyone konw ?
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