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84 [00:55:01] <klow_> General question : I 've been a
sysadmin for many years in various capacities, but have somehow
consistently avoided LDAP (besides active directory by necessity) .
I'm looking at OpenLDAP and my head is telling me no, no no. I
know Apache DS and OpenDJ might be better alternatives. I dont have
tons of time to sort this out. Any thoughts on which LDAP (open
source) to dive into ?
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91 [01:02:58] <freax> i need the latest version of
libtorrent-rasterbar so i can complete the compilation of
qbittorrent 3.3.4, any tips?
92 [01:03:06] <freax> i'm compiling it from source
93 [01:03:13] <markybob> freax: no. even sid has a pretty old
version
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96 [01:03:59] <markybob> freax: in fact i made the bug report on
it asking for an upgrade :P
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97 [01:04:01] <judd> Bug
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98 [01:04:01] <jelly> how different is libtorrent-rasterbar from
libtorrent anyway? The latter was easy to uupdate and build
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101 [01:05:09] <markybob> jelly: there's rakshasa and
rasterbar. they're totally different
102 [01:05:17] <markybob> jelly: not at all related except by
name
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105 [01:05:54] <markybob> most packages use rasterbar, like
deluge
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110 [01:07:27] <freax> so the solution is to install ubuntu?
*shudder*
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113 [01:07:51] <markybob> freax: no. install the boost devs need
and compile it yourself
114 [01:08:29] <markybob> freax: fyi ubuntu has the same version
as sid. 1.0.7. not 1.10 which is latest
115 [01:09:05] <markybob> 1.1.0 sorry.
116 [01:09:13] <freax> i installed boost devs, it still requires
libtorrent-rasterbar
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121 [01:09:37] <markybob> yeah. i told you to compile rasterbar.
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123 [01:09:51] <freax> how do i go about doing that
124 [01:10:18] <markybob> freax: their website has very good
instructions. i would start with apt-get build-dep
libtorrent-rasterbar8
125 [01:10:39] <markybob> smoke break
126 [01:10:41] <freax> roger
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132 [01:16:06] <jelly> markybob, oh, I thought one was just a
fork of the other as it happens
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137 [01:16:37] <markybob> jelly: no. rasterbar is made by one of
the main developers of utorrent
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139 [01:16:52] <markybob> freax_: you might want to add to the
bug report so the developer sees there's more want/need
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142 [01:18:01] <freax_> k
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148 [01:25:30] <freax_> i need a faster laptop, this ones taking
ages to compile.. lol
149 [01:25:31] <freax_> bbs
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154 [01:27:47] <klow_> seriously which LDAP server is not a
nightmare to configure?
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167 [01:33:28] <markybob> freax_: i use ccache. helps a lot
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181 [01:38:22] <msl09> Why can't I route?
182 [01:38:25] <msl09> ;_;
183 [01:38:59] <msl09> I'm trying to route traffic from port
25 to 587 with the follwing: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp
--dport 25 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 587
184 [01:39:25] <markybob> msl09: iptables is best served in
#netfilter
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186 [01:39:32] <msl09> ah
187 [01:39:34] <msl09> ok
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196 [01:46:36] <zykotick9> wondering if i'm missing
something obvious, or if others have different results. when i
install rtorrent (0.9.2-1) it doesn't come with a rtorrent.rc
file? "dpkg -L rtorrent" doesn't list one. i got it
by going to packages.debian.org and downloading the
rtorrent_0.9.2.orig.tar.gz and it's is in there?
197 [01:47:21] <markybob> zykotick9: that's in rtpg-replaced-url
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200 [01:48:36] * zykotick9 thinks that's messed up... markybob
thanks (<- how did you find that out? if you don't mind
sharing)
201 [01:49:05] <markybob> zykotick9: apt-file search rtorrent.rc
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204 [01:49:46] <zykotick9> markybob: thanks. apt-file is
something i've always ignored... i suspect that was going to be
the answer. /me goes to install/learn apt-file
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217 [01:54:27] <zykotick9> markybob: follow up question. i think
that is a bug... but before i even try to report it - is there some
rule about a file only appearing in one package at a time or
something? why would rtorrent's config example be in a
front-ends package? <- that doesn't seem logical to me...
218 [01:55:11] <markybob> zykotick9: it can only appear in one
package, or else it'll conflict
219 [01:55:20] <markybob> zykotick9: apt won't install
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221 [01:55:26] * zykotick9 was worried about that...
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228 [01:58:43] <zykotick9> markybob: ahhh. i see with
"apt-file search rtorrent.rc" it's in the rtgui &
rtpg-replaced-url
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232 [02:00:07] <markybob> zykotick9: no one is gz the other
isn't :P
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235 [02:00:20] <markybob> zykotick9: that's how they get
around the conflict
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238 [02:00:29] * zykotick9 finds zless handy sometimes
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241 [02:00:48] <markybob> zykotick9: besides you should be using
torrent
242 [02:01:03] * markybob was lead deluge developer for a couple years
243 [02:01:06] <zykotick9> ? "torrent"
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245 [02:01:15] <markybob> deluge*
246 [02:01:17] <markybob> ugh
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250 [02:01:44] <bazhang> the one after transmission
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267 [02:07:58] <zykotick9> i've used both transmission and
deluge in the past... now-a-days, if i can't run it in tmux
it's gotta be pretty "special" (firefox/chromium/gimp
jump to mind)
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270 [02:08:38] <zykotick9> ^ and pysolfc
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272 [02:08:48] <markybob> you can run deluge in tmux.
deluge-console package
273 [02:09:03] <zykotick9> then it's on the table again ;)
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278 [02:10:00] <polyzen> transmission ftw
279 [02:10:00] <Quadrant> is there a premade lxc container of
debian jessie somewhere i can download
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281 [02:10:10] <markybob> zykotick9: plus you can just use
deluged with deluge-webui since you already use a web browser
282 [02:10:23] <zykotick9> markybob: while i expect the answer
might be a "bit" biased... are there any big advantages to
using deluge-console over rtorrent?
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284 [02:10:31] <polyzen> didn't know deluge had a daemon
285 [02:10:42] <markybob> zykotick9: probably not.
286 [02:10:44] <echosystm> is there a debian server irc hcannel?
287 [02:10:46] <markybob> polyzen: sure does
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289 [02:10:52] <zykotick9> markybob: ;) thanks.
290 [02:10:53] <Quadrant> sorry. my irc client auto updated
291 [02:10:54] <markybob> #deluge
292 [02:10:56] <polyzen> lol Quadrant
293 [02:10:59] <echosystm> i need some help from leet server
peeps
294 [02:11:08] <Quadrant> did i miss anything :P
295 [02:11:09] <echosystm> what channel would be best for that?
296 [02:11:11] <markybob> most help comes from
forum.deluge-torrent.org though
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298 [02:11:14] <polyzen> Quadrant, no :p
299 [02:11:16] <Quadrant> heh
300 [02:11:20] <Quadrant> perfrect!
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304 [02:11:37] <TandyUK> echosystm: you're in it?
305 [02:12:02] <echosystm> ok cool
306 [02:12:07] <echosystm> here we go!
307 [02:12:14] * TandyUK hides
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309 [02:12:31] <echosystm> my VPN provider doesn't keep IP
addresses around for very long, to stop them from being blocked
310 [02:12:37] <echosystm> so you must connect via hostname
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313 [02:12:54] <echosystm> i want all traffic outside the VPN to
be blocked
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315 [02:13:16] <echosystm> however, i can't do that, because
it needs DNS to find the hostname of the VPN
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318 [02:13:35] <echosystm> if i keep port 53 open on eth0, then
DNS will leak when the VPN drops
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320 [02:13:47] <echosystm> does anyone have a mad solution to
this problem?
321 [02:14:05] <echosystm> at the moment, i block port 53 when
tun0 comes up, but then the VPN can't reconnect if it drops
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323 [02:14:42] <markybob> echosystm:
replaced-url
324 [02:15:22] <echosystm> yeah i read that guide
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326 [02:15:40] <echosystm> it doesn't block anything
327 [02:15:55] <echosystm> ive read every guide on the internet
and they all have big problems
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329 [02:16:22] <echosystm> all that guide does is put the DNS
nameservers above your isp/router nameservers
330 [02:16:26] <markybob> echosystm: then probably try
##networkig
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332 [02:16:32] <echosystm> if the VPN drops, you gonna leak 100%
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334 [02:16:45] <markybob> spelled correctly
335 [02:16:53] <echosystm> ok cheers
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339 [02:17:50] <TandyUK> sounds like you just need scripts on
ifup/ifdown
340 [02:18:04] <TandyUK> but you will need to write and customise
those yourself based on your own requirements
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354 [02:22:41] <freax_> i ran into a problem while compiling
qbittorrent 3.3.4
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358 [02:22:50] <freax_> here is the paste dump:
replaced-url
359 [02:23:14] <markybob> everyone's using the wrong torrent
client today
360 [02:23:22] <zykotick9> hehe
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364 [02:26:04] <markybob> freax_: there is #qbittorent and ask
about line 38
365 [02:27:09] <freax_> done that
366 [02:27:12] <freax_> no reply
367 [02:27:30] <markybob> ,checkbackport qbittorrent
368 [02:27:31] <judd> Backporting package qbittorrent in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
369 [02:27:37] <markybob> so why are you trying to do it
yourself?
370 [02:27:42] <markybob> !tell freax_ about ssb
371 [02:28:24] <markybob> same verson. do that. so many times
easier
372 [02:29:11] <freax_> you might as well be talking klingon
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374 [02:30:06] <markybob> freax_: i can if you want me to. i love
star trek :P
375 [02:30:49] <markybob> freax_: okay, step by step. sudo nano
-w /etc/apt/sources.list and add deb-src
replaced-url
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377 [02:31:33] <markybob> freax_: sudo apt-get update. sudo
apt-get build-dep qbittorrent. sudo apt-get source -b qbittorrent.
that'll build deb packages. then dpkg -i *.deb
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382 [02:32:16] <markybob> smoke break
383 [02:32:59] <freax> ok added the repository
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385 [02:33:15] <freax> i should then install that thingy
386 [02:34:47] <freax> build-dep + libtorrent-rasterbar8
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395 [02:36:59] <freax> for crying out loud
396 [02:37:08] <freax> same error message when trying to compile
qbittorrent
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399 [02:39:35] <lucas-arg> hey guys any one know a good equalizer
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401 [02:40:47] <markybob> freax: you need to do apt-get build-dep
libtorrent-rasterbar8 and apt-get source -b libtorrent-raster8
first. then dpkg -i those debs first. then you tackle qbittorrent
402 [02:41:10] <markybob> freax: apt-get source -b
libtorrent-rasterbar*
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404 [02:41:38] <markybob> freax: you said earlier you were
compiling rasterbar but if you want to do ssb you need the packages
to fullfil the dependencies
405 [02:42:12] <markybob> libtorrent-rasterbar8 damnit
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409 [02:43:41] <markybob> or just do the logical thing and
install deluge
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411 [02:44:31] <freax> k
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643 [05:44:17] <freax_> deluge is broken on debian 8 too
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649 [05:47:01] <jmcnaught> freax_: broken how? i have
transmission-gtk here and it works great.
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657 [05:51:20] <freax_> deluge is not transmission
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718 [06:42:05] <est31> There has been this announcement that
debian will be dropping support for older cpus
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721 [06:42:18] <est31> now I wonder whether my CPU is affected by
that
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723 [06:42:56] <dax> which CPU?
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725 [06:43:16] <est31> My device is 2 years old
726 [06:43:18] <est31> model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU N3520
@ 2.16GHz
727 [06:43:37] <dax> (and I assume you mean the discussion of
dropping i586 support?)
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730 [06:44:01] <est31> I think so yes
731 [06:44:14] <dax> any intel stuff from the last decade or two
is fine
732 [06:44:15] <est31> this email
replaced-url
733 [06:45:06] <est31> The email says "Pentium" and cat
/proc/cpuinfo says pentium as well
734 [06:45:10] <dax> the word "Pentium" in that email
doesn't mean the same thing as "Pentium" in your
CPU's model name, somewhat obnoxiously
735 [06:45:21] <aypea[1]> est: you'll be fine. that pentium
is from the late 90s early 2000s
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737 [06:45:27] <dax> "The current Pentium processors have
only the name in common with the early ones"
738 [06:45:50] <jmcnaught> est31: your processor is 64-bit and
very recentl. Debian is dropping support for some kinds of x86 chips
from the 1990s
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740 [06:45:57] <aypea[1]> est: so basically anything from that
pentium onwards is fine.
741 [06:46:03] <dax> Pentium in the email means the P5
architecture, i.e.
replaced-url
742 [06:46:16] <dax> which, again, is a couple of decades old
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744 [06:46:46] <dax> modern "Pentium"s are based on the
Intel Core architecture or newer
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746 [06:47:11] <est31> oh okay
747 [06:47:26] <est31> phew, that had almost ruined my morning
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824 [07:44:14] <critter> Hi
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826 [07:44:56] <critter> anyone can talk to me about debian uefi
secure boot suport?
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828 [07:45:09] <markybob> critter: yes. debian doesn't
support secure boot at all
829 [07:45:32] <markybob> critter: it's in the works and
will be supported in stretch, the next stable release, which comes
out in spring 2017
830 [07:45:33] <awwal> hihi
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832 [07:46:12] <critter> markybob, what approach are you taking?
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834 [07:46:45] <markybob> critter: i dont know what you mean. i
just watch a video from debconf a week ago that talked about it.
that's the plan. stretch.
835 [07:47:07] <markybob> critter: you can use uefi but not
secure boot
836 [07:47:12] <critter> markybob, though you were dev
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838 [07:48:02] <critter> markybob, ok, another thing, full disk
encryption, is it possible without unencrypted boot partition?
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840 [07:48:12] <markybob> critter: they're basically going
to pay a small fee to get it "certified". it's fucked
up but you do what you have to
841 [07:48:36] <critter> to fedora?
842 [07:48:40] <markybob> critter: microsoft
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844 [07:49:14] <critter> markybob, weird...
845 [07:49:29] <markybob> critter: and full disk encryption is
not something i've cracked because i've never understood
the point of an encrypted /boot, so i never really looked into it
846 [07:50:02] <critter> markybob, someone can replace your
kernel
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850 [07:50:55] <markybob> damn that's a level of paranoia i
haven't experienced since the 80's
851 [07:51:29] <critter> markybob, 80's?
852 [07:51:40] <markybob> cold war. i'm old :P
853 [07:52:29] <xcel---> :D
854 [07:53:58] <awwal> debian going to pay a few $ for microsoft?
my bad...
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856 [07:54:07] <markybob> yeah
857 [07:54:13] <critter> openbsd supports full disk encryption
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860 [07:54:35] <markybob> critter: you can find howto's for
debian it's just not easy
861 [07:54:43] <critter> it can be implemented on grup, dont you
think?
862 [07:54:49] <critter> grub
863 [07:55:07] <markybob> critter: google will show you how.
it's just pulling teeth for no reason
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872 [07:58:51] <awwal> I wonder if the old school DD's is
being replaced by new DD's who are flexible with debian rules
making debian every day more open to non-free stuff, debuntu ...:(
873 [07:59:02] <critter> markybob, grub offers encryption
features?
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877 [07:59:27] <critter> just read on slashdot that deb is
droping old x86 support
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879 [07:59:56] <jmcnaught> critter: that's about x86 chips
from the 1990s, pre-Pentium II
880 [07:59:59] <markybob> critter: not totally true. it will
continue to support 686.
881 [08:00:48] <markybob> so yeah, 586 and 486 are fucked
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883 [08:01:16] <jmcnaught> 486 was already dropped for squeeze
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1041 [09:24:16] <TomyWork> hi, was there a problem with the
wheezy-updates repo last week? may 3rd-ish?
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1064 [09:39:55] <brontosaurusrex> with alsa, how can I enable line
output or should that be automagic? (only internal speaker is
talking so far)
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1066 [09:41:17] <jmcnaught> brontosaurusrex: are you not using
pulseaudio?
1067 [09:42:03] <brontosaurusrex> no, alsa only
1068 [09:42:28] <brontosaurusrex> Line out + Speak seems to be on
Auto-Mute mode
1069 [09:42:41] <brontosaurusrex> acording to alsa mixer
1070 [09:43:30] <brontosaurusrex> On extremly similar machine I
think this was working out of the box.
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1121 [10:10:57] <DotHack> updated samba 4.1.17 to 4.2.10 due to
security updates, now wbinfo -u doesnt list users anymore...
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1127 [10:12:29] <brontosaurusrex> ok, the problem was that I put
the cable on the wrong pc :P
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1152 [10:26:52] <phantomcircuit> running jessie there seems to be
some reason that gnupg-1.4.18-7+deb8u1
1153 [10:26:55] <phantomcircuit> needs to be installed
1154 [10:26:59] <phantomcircuit> how can i tell what depends on
that?
1155 [10:27:13] <phantomcircuit> nvm it's apt...
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1160 [10:28:58] <plasmoduck> Hello
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1164 [10:33:39] <plasmoduck> #moc
1165 [10:33:56] <Stummi> phantomcircuit, for future reference:
aptitude why <package>
1166 [10:34:07] <plasmoduck> How do I set a moc theme
1167 [10:34:20] <Stummi> what is a moc theme?
1168 [10:34:27] <plasmoduck> Music On Console
1169 [10:34:33] <plasmoduck> MOC is a music player
1170 [10:34:56] <Stummi> hm.. don't know it. Does nothing
about it stands in its manpage or documentation?
1171 [10:38:44] <plasmoduck> I figured it out, thanks.
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1174 [10:42:17] <plasmoduck>
replaced-url
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1177 [10:47:01] <dubin> Does debian come with kde 5
1178 [10:47:17] <Ticho> testing branch does
1179 [10:47:25] <Ticho> stable still has kde4 (fortunately)
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1193 [10:54:16] <zpzpzpzpz> upgrading stable to testing wont break
my sytem right?
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1195 [10:55:05] <Ticho> if you think about what the words
"stable" and "testing" mean, you will realize
that the answer is "it might"
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1198 [10:55:54] <Cosmos82> zpzpzpzpz: I did so. And it was all
good. Though you have to be aware of the fact that you won't be
able to install some stuff since it has made it into testing
1199 [10:56:00] <dubin> It will make it less stable because
it's bleeding edge
1200 [10:56:11] <Cosmos82> *it has not made it into testing
1201 [10:56:43] <dubin>
replaced-url
1202 [10:56:45] <Cosmos82> But if you have no problems reading bug
reports and the like, stable to testing shouldn't do _too_ much
damage
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1204 [10:57:26] <Cosmos82> dubin: afaik bleeding edge for debian
is sid. testing is fairly stable.
1205 [10:58:03] <zpzpzpzpz> i think testing is still old
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1209 [10:59:59] <Cosmos82> zpzpzpzpz: well it is newer than
what's in stable.
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1211 [11:00:30] <zpzpzpzpz> yes
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1215 [11:00:41] <zpzpzpzpz> what is the version of nodejs in
testing_?
1216 [11:01:09] <Cosmos82> If that's not good enough, you can
go to sid. _That's_ bleeding edge.
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1220 [11:02:19] <Ticho>
replaced-url
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1232 [11:08:33] <s4ndm4n> If you keep /boot within encrypted LVM,
it works too
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1243 [11:15:09] <plasmoduck> Anyone about?
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1251 [11:20:13] <Walex> plasmoduck: you!
1252 [11:21:22] <plasmoduck> Walex: have you much experience with
Awesome WM?
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1254 [11:22:24] <Walex> plasmoduck: the convention in IRC is to
just ask a question, and then if someone feels like they will
comment. It can take some hours...
1255 [11:24:06] <dubin> Remember the good old days of linux
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1262 [11:27:11] <Walex> dubin: when it was a close UNIX clone, and
it fit in a 64MiB host with space to spare? :-)
1263 [11:27:27] <Walex> dubin: pre-hipster Linux? :-)
1264 [11:27:56] <dubin> I was thinking aroung 2.0
1265 [11:28:48] <Walex> dubin: more or less the same, pre-hipster,
unbloated Linux.
1266 [11:28:55] <s4ndm4n> Walex: That's long time
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1272 [11:30:24] <Walex> s4ndm4n: not for me, relatively speaking.
I still remember my PDP-11/34 with UNIX 7/BSD2.9 running 3 users in
256KiB of RAM on a 100KHz CPU.
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1274 [11:30:34] <Walex> :-)
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1276 [11:31:21] <dubin> My first computer had 256mb ram
1277 [11:31:50] <Walex> dubin: that was huge :-)
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1279 [11:33:00] <plasmoduck> Anyone played around with Haiku?
it's a revival of BeOS.
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1281 [11:33:04] <Walex> for amusement here is a quote
replaced-url
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1284 [11:33:17] <plasmoduck> I like to collect and try different
operating systems.
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1286 [11:33:25] <plasmoduck> Mainly obsure ones.
1287 [11:33:47] <Walex> when there was a " GNOME memory
reduction project" that aimed to slim it down so it would work
well, instead of slowly, in 128MiB.
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1290 [11:34:07] <dubin> just use ice
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1293 [11:34:35] <Walex> plasmoduck: Haiku was pretty good, and the
current freeware implementation is quite credible too. Sometimes I
wonder whether to switch...
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1295 [11:35:32] <Walex> plasmoduck: if you want to collect obscure
OSes, OS6, MUSS, TWENEX, TSS/370, ITSS all come to mind :-)
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1297 [11:36:07] <dubin>
replaced-url
1298 [11:36:16] <dubin> you can download old os there
1299 [11:36:29] <Walex> plasmoduck: there are several more recent
UNIX-y ones, for i386/amd64 CPUs.
1300 [11:36:56] <Walex> dubin: interesting place.
1301 [11:37:53] <shtrb> Any idea how I can tap into USB bus from a
vbox hosted debian (I can move to any other virtualization that can
run on win10) ? I wish that debian's kernel will interact with
the USB bus directly (and not via an intermidiate driver).
1302 [11:37:53] <shtrb> backstory , bloody win10 is failing to
support with Nokia modem drivers , so I used a vbox and passed all
usb interfaces into VBox (using vbox extnensions) , Debian SID
within the VBOX run wvdial and able to use the modem. the downside
the host OS still need a driver that can claim the device (failed to
see how I can pass devices which are set as unknown in windows
device manager).
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1304 [11:38:21] <plasmoduck> Walex: are you a VMS fan?
1305 [11:38:56] <Walex> plasmoduck: I used to semi-like VMS, but I
am an MUSS/Multics/Accent fan :-)
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1307 [11:39:09] <dubin> you can download linux kernel 0.01
1308 [11:39:15] <Walex> plasmoduck: ahhhh also recommend
KeyKOS/EROS for looking at.
1309 [11:39:22] <plasmoduck> Walex: Ah ;-)
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1311 [11:39:56] <plasmoduck> dubin: what on earth would you do
with it?
1312 [11:40:38] <Walex> dubin: there is a Linux 'git'
repo for "legacy" code that goes way back, I think all the
way to 0.02 at least IIRC
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1327 [11:50:33] <qis> Is there a way to configure dhcp in
/etc/network/interfaces so that it will try to get an address
asynchronously?
1328 [11:50:57] <shtrb> qis , what does that mean ?
1329 [11:51:02] <Walex> qis: yes, but that's crazy
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1331 [11:51:11] <qis> I'm working in a VM with three
interfaces. Two are DHCP and 0-1 of them are really connected during
boot.
1332 [11:51:19] <qis> But both appear physically connected at all
times.
1333 [11:51:19] <is_null> hi all, is it normal that i get this
error with apt-get update on jessie ? E: Release file for
replaced-url
1334 [11:51:26] <Walex> qis: 'detach' option to
'dhclient'
1335 [11:51:29] <qis> Walex: Don't care. I need it. =)
1336 [11:51:33] <qis> Walex: Thanks.
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1341 [11:52:18] <qis> Walex: Strange, the docs don't mention
it in the config file.
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1349 [11:54:52] <Walex> qis: it is the '-nw' option
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1364 [12:03:05] <unborn> guys any vpn master here?
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1366 [12:04:02] <qis> No, only time lords.
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1368 [12:05:06] <vegardx> Zing!
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1371 [12:07:07] <unborn> anyone knows how to block internet access
on vpn server? meaning client can connect to vpn and use resources
on another network but keeps his own internet connection?
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1373 [12:08:25] <Qann> unborn: Not sure how. But I assume
you're using OpenVPN. Just send the routes for the network, not
for the whole internet.
1374 [12:08:29] <donoban> unborn: I see at least two ways for
doing it, using a firewall
1375 [12:08:31] <Walex> unborn: probably that's not the
question you want to ask.
1376 [12:08:47] <donoban> or configuring a non-working gw for the
vpn clients
1377 [12:08:59] <donoban> or don't give them a gw address
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1379 [12:09:43] <shtrb> unborn , don't pass the default gw
and use a different subnet from your own
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1381 [12:09:44] <Walex> unborn: "qann" and
"donoban" have given you half of the answer to the
question you probably should have asked...
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1384 [12:10:24] <Walex> unborn: the other half is "if I
configure the VPN server to not give them a default route or to
block it, how can the client access the internet then?"
1385 [12:10:42] <unborn> thanks guys.. well basically I want user
to be able to connect to vpn where my machine sits and to be able
access files on that machine.. but while user is connected to vpn he
would be able only access internet via his local connection so he
will be using his own public ip.. heh
1386 [12:10:49] <qis> I see no way to configure nowait for
dhclient and google search results are less than helpful.
1387 [12:10:52] <Walex> unborn: the answer to that is "most
clients have an option that says "keep existing default
route".
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1389 [12:11:17] <qis> The interfaces appear connected but there is
no DHCP server listening on the network. Still stalling.
1390 [12:11:26] <donoban> unborn: your clients show add only a
route to the vpn subnet, but not a default gw entry
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1392 [12:11:43] <Walex> qis: option
'-nw'/"detach"/"nowait" to
'dhclient' must work...
1393 [12:12:55] <shtrb> unborn , are you using routing or bridge ?
in any case you can choose not to push default gw
1394 [12:12:56] <donoban> unborn: you could add a custom script
with up paramter, an manually delete the default gw added by openvpn
1395 [12:13:15] <shtrb> donoban , you are working to hard
1396 [12:13:23] <shtrb> *too hard
1397 [12:13:35] <donoban> if it's possible to dont push the
default gw better
1398 [12:13:38] <qis> Walex: You mean I should manually add an
/etc/dhclient.conf config file?
1399 [12:13:46] <shtrb> yes , it's an option in openvpn
1400 [12:13:52] <donoban> :)
1401 [12:13:58] <shtrb> you actually need to enable it
1402 [12:14:03] <Walex> qis: in 'interfaces' you need to
use 'manual' ,method and then use 'pre-up' to
invoke 'dhclient' and 'pre-down' to kill it.
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1405 [12:14:26] <donoban> on server conf shtrb?
1406 [12:14:27] <shtrb> so if he pushes routes , he just can not
set the one that pass all (only network) in case of dhcp not to push
default gw
1407 [12:14:28] <unborn> shtrb: nope..its classic vpn setup which
works, however I would like to make it that if anyone connects into
it he would only have access to local machines. Internet should be
accessible only from his own connection, not via vpn, while he is
connected to the vpn
1408 [12:14:29] <shtrb> yes
1409 [12:14:31] <Walex> qis: kill it means using "dhclient
-r"
1410 [12:14:33] <shtrb> donoban , yes
1411 [12:14:36] <qis> Walex: Thanks. I think I'll rather wait
if debian does not support it.
1412 [12:14:52] <Walex> qis: that does not make a lot of sense.
1413 [12:14:57] <unborn> Walex: so blocking it on firewall level?
1414 [12:15:07] <shtrb> unborn , in openvpn you have bridged and
routing , ip can be sent via dhcp , ccd , or hardcoded
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1416 [12:15:25] <shtrb> unborn , I understand
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1418 [12:15:59] <shtrb> unborn , make sure that redirect-gateway
is not enabled (on client)
1419 [12:16:16] <Walex> unborn: as the others have mentioned, on
the server side you don't send a default route to the client,
and you block the VPN-assigned source addresses from accessing
addresses other than local. Then on the client side you tell the
clients to use the local default route as "shtrb" just
added.
1420 [12:16:25] <vegardx> You can "block" Internet
access by not enabling package forwarding.
1421 [12:16:34] <shtrb> and on server don't in case of route
push don't put the last arg
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1424 [12:17:53] <shtrb> unborn , in case of bridged and relay you
need to dance a bit
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1426 [12:19:04] <unborn> vegardx: im going to try that.. shtrb
well that could work but I would rather prefer server side
solution.. you know how it is with people :)
1427 [12:19:06] <shtrb> in any case don't push the routes to
0.0.0.0 and don't push redirect-gateway (on server
1428 [12:19:15] <shtrb> I'm talking about both sides
1429 [12:19:32] <vegardx> You still might want to push a valid
route. You know, to actially let things access each other.
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1431 [12:19:38] <shtrb> *unborn , you have to work to enable dhcp
and redirect-gateway to actually work
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1433 [12:19:48] <Walex> unborn: as "shtrb" you need both
sides. If the client default routes are blocked on the server,
people will get upset at you.
1434 [12:20:09] <vegardx> But when you disable package forwarding
you disable packages from going from TUN/TAP to the bridge. And your
route should naturally reflect that as well, and set a default
route.
1435 [12:20:25] <vegardx> and not set*
1436 [12:20:26] <vegardx> Err!
1437 [12:20:29] <Walex> unborn: as "shtrb" says you need
both sides. If the client default routes remain via the VPN and are
blocked on the server, people will get upset at you.
1438 [12:20:48] <shtrb> usually with openvpn a server can publish
a default gw (via redirect-gateway def1 and pushing routes) , in
case of tun vs tan the issue is a bit harder
1439 [12:21:49] <shtrb> then client will choose if it take what
you send or not
1440 [12:21:57] <vegardx> You just want to push a route that
reflects the subnet you have used for VPN.
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1444 [12:22:39] <unborn> okay I see..
1445 [12:22:42] <shtrb> in addition to what vegrax said , as soon
as the client gain an ip (via any way you choose) push the route
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1448 [12:25:14] <unborn> well is there any way to setup vpn acting
like connect pc1 to pc2 where pc2 is just standalone unit without
internet but keep user happy and connected on internet in pc1? I
guess not really
1449 [12:25:33] <shtrb> ofc yes
1450 [12:25:42] <shtrb> no dhcp at all , just route with a static
ip
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1452 [12:25:58] <shtrb> over bridged mode
1453 [12:26:15] <shtrb> and to make it even better add a relay on
server side (to interconnect)
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1455 [12:27:02] <shtrb> each client will either have an ip locally
(manually assigned) or over CCD
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1458 [12:27:37] <vegardx> It's hard to get DHCP to work over
OpenVPN, due to the fact that it doesn't transmit broadcast.
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1462 [12:27:43] <shtrb> just remember not to use (192.168.1.0/24
or 10.0.0.0/24)
1463 [12:27:57] <shtrb> vegardx , that is why you can use bridged
mode
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1467 [12:28:13] <vegardx> I thought you still had the same problem
there?
1468 [12:28:17] <shtrb> no
1469 [12:28:21] <vegardx> I might be mistaken it for IPSec on that
part.
1470 [12:28:29] <shtrb> bridge exist to allow broadcast
1471 [12:28:44] <shtrb> IPSec is a win10
1472 [12:28:53] <vegardx> Ah, you're right. But there is a
boatload of other issues related to that.
1473 [12:28:56] <shtrb> I mean IPSec is a win10 to setup
1474 [12:29:09] <shtrb> (Instead of putting a nice course I just
say win10)
1475 [12:29:29] <shtrb> vegardx, even with tunnel you have a
workaround for dhcp
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1477 [12:29:47] <shtrb> but it will not work on androids
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1482 [12:31:21] <paule32> hello
1483 [12:31:37] <paule32> i have download the debian mirror
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1486 [12:32:01] <paule32> how can i install debian per tftp
1487 [12:32:03] <paule32> ?
1488 [12:32:12] <paule32> i have a apache2 site
1489 [12:32:26] <shtrb> vegardx, the fastest thing one can do with
tun is to use ifconfig-pool/client-connect (but that is ugly as
maintaining win10 )
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1492 [12:32:49] <vegardx> Hehe
1493 [12:32:55] <nkuttler> !tell paule32 about netboot
1494 [12:33:07] <paule32> that point to:
replaced-url
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1496 [12:33:09] <vegardx> I just use IPSec. *shrugs*
1497 [12:33:21] <shtrb> vegardx, no roadwarriors ?
1498 [12:33:25] <nardev> guys, why maintaining #debian chan on deb
server and on freenode?
1499 [12:34:15] <vegardx> Because people like different networks?
1500 [12:34:16] <jelly> paule32: best read the install guide.
replaced-url
1501 [12:34:21] <vegardx> There's also one on EFNet.
1502 [12:34:29] <shtrb> paule32 , ipxe ?
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1505 [12:35:22] <jelly> nardev: mostly because lots of users never
switched over to OFTC back in 2005 when debian devel channels moved
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1507 [12:35:30] <vegardx> Or just use a USB-stick or whatever to
boot into a netinst iso and set the apt mirror manually.
1508 [12:35:52] <nardev> jelly, so all sponsors and ddes are in
deb. server?
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1511 [12:36:23] <jelly> nardev: if you're talking about GSOC
sponsors, yeah
1512 [12:36:26] <unborn> shtrb: bridged mode should work.. main
purpose of this connection is vpn from pc2 to pc1 over internet
1513 [12:36:26] <shtrb> paule32 , assume you have good connection
?
1514 [12:36:42] <nardev> jelly, packaging sponsors...
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1516 [12:36:54] <paule32> nkuttler: ether i get the message that
hvm kernel for debian ís not found, or install must be in
tree
1517 [12:36:55] <jelly> that too
1518 [12:36:56] <paule32> yes
1519 [12:36:59] <shtrb> unborn , birdged has it's own
downsides (more security considurations)
1520 [12:37:34] <shtrb> unborn , it forces you to have a good
firewall and to have a baseball bat with a warning don't touch
my network
1521 [12:38:21] <paule32> «Could not find an installable
distribution at 'replaced-url
1522 [12:38:21] <paule32> The location must be the root directory
of an install tree.»
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1524 [12:39:59] <shtrb> unborn , in case you are going to have it
as a backup system make sure to run on 443 and maybe you will need
to work with port sharing
1525 [12:41:02] <paule32> shtrb: have you an idea?
1526 [12:41:03] <shtrb> sslh is just one option
1527 [12:41:09] <unborn> shtrb: meh, perhaps best way would be
install guacamole on local server out there in office and keep
connecting via ssh proxy.. that would be simplest way possibly
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1529 [12:41:43] <shtrb> unborn , ssh contrary to openvpn
doesn't work on windows without many extrernal changes
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1531 [12:42:01] <shtrb> paule32 , network config ?
1532 [12:42:03] <unborn> and files shared only via ssh
1533 [12:42:17] <paule32> shtrb: local?
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1536 [12:42:42] <shtrb> unborn , If I understnad your issue
correctly you are failing to install from the network
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1541 [12:43:06] <shtrb> (as in accessing
ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images
... )
1542 [12:43:06] <unborn> shtrb: I know.. its only 15 machines..
very small setup, so I dont mind to setup everything manually but
guacamole would be possible best simplified option to go with
1543 [12:43:33] <shtrb> what ever works beter for your ecosystem
1544 [12:43:40] <paule32> shtrb: not correct?
1545 [12:43:54] <shtrb> * I would stick to openvpn
1546 [12:44:07] <unborn> shtrb: vpn in office works correctly
...office <--> my home fine, however if I block internet on
vpn server hosted in home, they in office loose internet too.. that
was the issue
1547 [12:44:14] <shtrb> paule32 , if you are accessing an ftp
server many things can break in the process
1548 [12:44:31] <shtrb> that is why pxe is good to install from a
local server (safe)
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1550 [12:44:42] <unborn> I can setup vpn there in their office and
use that then.. its all good.
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1553 [12:45:12] <paule32> shtrb: the data lays in apache2 html
tree folder
1554 [12:45:25] <paule32> mydomain.example.com/
1555 [12:45:37] <shtrb> unborn , go to your least technical person
in the office (let's say the marking director) and see if they
can handle your solution
1556 [12:45:44] <paule32> the document path is /var/replaced-url
1557 [12:45:45] <shtrb> paule32 , I missed it was a local
installation
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1559 [12:46:14] <unborn> 0o huh?
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1562 [12:46:41] <shtrb> unborn , always take your weakes point and
check your config against it
1563 [12:46:52] <paule32> shtrb: yes, would install local, and the
server is in internet by an ISP
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1565 [12:46:55] <paule32> as vserver
1566 [12:47:40] <shtrb> If I understand you correctly , you wish
to have a PXE server like under (replaced-url
1567 [12:48:21] <paule32> netboot, yes but not local lan, but wan
- remote
1568 [12:48:26] <shtrb> same lan, working dhcp , boot from net
works
1569 [12:48:29] <unborn> shtrb: installing vpn in office server
worked for me.. I am able to connect to office machines vnc servers
and do remote tasks. This way I am not sharing my private network
resources which was the initial question. Thank you for your help.
1570 [12:48:46] <shtrb> paule32 , never did a wan boot I
don't know how it can work
1571 [12:48:54] <vegardx> PXE-booting machines require some
control over the local network, amongst other other things.
1572 [12:49:09] <paule32> shtrb: i can't use private ip
numbers like 192...
1573 [12:49:12] <shtrb> paule32, you need to BOOT to pass
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1575 [12:49:44] <paule32> vegardx: vpn ?
1576 [12:49:46] <shtrb> *BOOTP (for DHCP and others)
1577 [12:49:51] <vegardx> How will you connect via VPN?
1578 [12:49:58] <vegardx> You are at the very lowest level of
booting.
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1580 [12:50:15] <shtrb> so I think what you would need to do , to
setup initil install via netboot , then add your mirrors
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1582 [12:50:43] <rainbowtux> Hi all, I have a question concerning
Debian packaging: if a config file is present in an older version
but not in a newer version, what is the proper way to have it
removed on update?
1583 [12:50:43] <paule32> i have download mirror ftp.us.debian.org
1584 [12:50:55] <shtrb> paule32 , how do you access the
installation files ?
1585 [12:51:07] <paule32> html protocol
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1587 [12:51:20] <shtrb> paule32 , so why don't you just setup
a PXE server and a local mirror
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1589 [12:51:24] <shtrb> html protocol ?!
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1591 [12:51:42] <paule32> wget
1592 [12:51:49] <shtrb> rainbowtux , a control file is needed for
packaging
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1594 [12:52:44] <shtrb> ok .. .do yourself a favor , install
locally using netboot and then add mirrors
1595 [12:53:00] <shtrb> *paule32 , I think it would be eaiser for
you
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1597 [12:53:21] <paule32> the mirror lays on remote machine
1598 [12:53:30] <paule32> tftp-hp is running
1599 [12:54:21] <shtrb> how will your machine access that server ?
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1602 [12:54:40] <paule32> it is a vserver not root!
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1604 [12:54:52] * vegardx pops some popcorn
1605 [12:54:59] <paule32> the vserver is a rented linux server by
my provider
1606 [12:55:06] <shtrb> yes
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1608 [12:55:12] <vegardx> It could be in orgit and you still
haven't answered his question.
1609 [12:55:25] <rainbowtux> shtrb: i know... i can build a
package, but config files are not removed from the system if the
newer version does not need that file anymore :/
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1612 [12:55:58] <paule32> i can browse the mirror copy per apache2
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1615 [12:56:33] <shtrb> yes , because you already have access to
from your UE to a router , and from that router to the server
1616 [12:56:46] <vegardx> I think PXE / BOOTP is out of your
scope, paule32.
1617 [12:56:49] <shtrb> during installation your UE need to
connect directly to the server (via the router)
1618 [12:56:54] <paule32> like
replaced-url
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1620 [12:57:35] <shtrb> the debian installer would need a way to
connect to that server
1621 [12:57:48] <paule32> i have dsl connection at home
1622 [12:58:09] <shtrb> and your dsl router have a PXE setup ?
1623 [12:58:18] <vegardx> shtrb: I think you are being trolled.
1624 [12:58:20] <paule32> i have success install linux before, but
not with my own server
1625 [12:58:28] <shtrb> vegardx , oh sorry
1626 [12:58:33] <paule32> no, i use virt-manager atm
1627 [12:58:34] <shtrb> vegarx , didn't catch that
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1629 [12:59:29] <paule32> i on my vserver per ssh, atm
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1638 [13:03:22] <darxmurf> hi all
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1651 [13:09:15] <shtrb> for any future person who would like to
install debian from a PXE (tftp server) just setup a PXE server
locally within your lan (not wlan but lan ) , that way your boot
from network facility in your pc could interact with that server
(for more info visit
replaced-url
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1659 [13:13:05] <spleen> Hello All
1660 [13:13:31] <spleen> i need to source a file before start my
systemd script. How could i do that ?
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1665 [13:15:06] <paule32> ok, now, it seems that i have the
correct path
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1669 [13:15:28] <paule32> but getting the message "hvm kernel
for debian not found"
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1681 [13:23:00] <bumbar_> "&> /dev/null" means to
redirect all output ?
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1684 [13:24:45] <shtrb> bumbar_, no
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1686 [13:26:07] <shtrb> *only stdout
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1688 [13:27:53] <darxmurf> anybody is using samba with LDAP auth
on MS Domain ?
1689 [13:28:18] <darxmurf> I just upgraded to samba 3.6.23-30 this
morning and now it does not accept my "valid users" filter
anymore :-/
1690 [13:28:34] <darxmurf> returning : [2016/05/09
13:09:51.232647, 3]
../libcli/security/dom_sid.c:208(dom_sid_parse_endp) string_to_sid:
SID @your_group is not in a valid format
1691 [13:28:42] <jubo2> How do I check for Debian version ?
1692 [13:28:49] <jubo2> uname -a ?
1693 [13:28:54] <darxmurf> cat /etc/debian_version
1694 [13:29:01] <darxmurf> cat /etc/*release
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1696 [13:30:03] <jubo2> Seems to say 8
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1698 [13:30:08] <jubo2> but is it 8.4
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1701 [13:30:26] <jelly> !debian suite
1702 [13:30:26] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release
-sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the
distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab
almost all distributions.
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1705 [13:31:16] <jelly> jubo2: if "cat
/etc/debian_version" does not say "8.4" your system
is not up-to-date with patches
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1711 [13:32:37] <jelly> darxmurf: which debian release did you
find samba 3.6.23-30 in?
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1713 [13:33:06] <jubo2> ja ok is 8.4
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1721 [13:36:30] <darxmurf> jelly, it's a centos 6.7
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1724 [13:37:39] <darxmurf> (I know it's the wrong chan...:-/
)
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1734 [13:41:50] <zeta-> I've installed debian on old laptop
that had a video card bug causing a hang. Now fixed Yeah!
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1736 [13:42:46] <zeta-> Unfortunately, Xfce has some panels
missing -- and don't know what else ...
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1738 [13:44:27] <zeta-> I've tried dpkg-reconfigure, and
tasksel to reinstall, but to no avail
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1740 [13:45:24] <zeta-> How do I get the desktop configured as a
default installation?
1741 [13:47:01] <zeta-> I can create a few panels manually of
course -- but I don't know what else might be needed
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1768 [13:58:57] <Psy-Q> on testing, mouse and touchpad behavior
has changed completely (different acceleration, tap-to-click is no
longer available). how can i find out which packages are involved in
this?
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1777 [14:01:55] <jelly> !spank darxmurf
1778 [14:01:55] * dpkg bends darxmurf over its knee and delivers a
mighty *THWACK*
1779 [14:02:12] <zeta-> Psy-Q: Yes, the Touchpad tab on Settings
-> 'Mouse and touchpad' -> Devices is missing.
1780 [14:02:23] <darxmurf> <3
1781 [14:02:39] <darxmurf> rolling back this sh*t to see if it
resolv the issue
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1783 [14:03:27] <Psy-Q> zeta-: i think not only that, i think the
entire device is not detected correctly anymore
1784 [14:03:34] <Psy-Q> even with the default synaptics settings
it used to be OK
1785 [14:03:43] <jubo2> anyone know how to list existing detached
tmux sessions?
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1787 [14:03:53] <Psy-Q> but yeah, the GUI is missing elements too
1788 [14:03:57] <jubo2> coz I got the problem that there are more
than one
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1791 [14:04:28] <jubo2> one is running GNU MediaGoblin but
I'm looking to 'tmux at' to the other one running the
diaspora* pod
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1797 [14:05:54] <Psy-Q> ah, if i set acceleration and sensitivity
to 0 in the new GUI the mouse doesn't feel crappy anymore
1798 [14:06:08] <telecity> getty not started on a remote server,
able to access via SSH, ps -ef reports no tty session.. how can I
start getty?
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1803 [14:06:22] <teraflops> jubo2: sorry for asking, it's
just curiosity you do run a mediagoblin instance via tmux? I mean,
you don't have a service or whatever for doing it properly?
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1805 [14:06:45] <jubo2> teraflops: I not the texiest person alive
1806 [14:07:00] <jubo2> The instructions I was following told me
to do it that way
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1808 [14:07:15] <teraflops> jubo2: wat!
1809 [14:07:21] <zeta-> Psy-Q: Yes, I still have 2 finger
scrolling (also on that tab) but no tapping.
1810 [14:07:25] <jubo2> and I've been happy with running the
diaspora* that way since July 2013
1811 [14:07:29] <telecity> in fact, any idea how can i kill all
getty processes and prevent them from auto-respawning.. what causes
them to respawn?
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1813 [14:08:37] <jubo2> teraflops: The GMG is a 0.8.0 and
accidentally installed with SQLite instead of Postgres, contains one
image and I gonna install clean the 0.9.0 that comes with python3
support
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1815 [14:09:05] <zeta-> Psy-Q: It's disappeared before, (on
testing) but then comes back. Still dont know the pkg :-(
1816 [14:09:33] <Psy-Q> zeta-: ah, ok
1817 [14:09:42] <Psy-Q> hm. i shouldn't have gone to testing
i guess
1818 [14:09:50] <Psy-Q> that'll be a lesson :)
1819 [14:10:09] <teraflops> jubo2: you can upgrade mg via git easy
as hell. also you can do uwsgi r just a proper systemd sysvinit
service. hell one thing is being stable and other is being lazy :P
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1821 [14:10:22] <zeta-> :-)
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1825 [14:12:35] <zeta-> Psy-Q: I don't think it's
possible to get stable for a selection of pkgs
1826 [14:12:49] <Psy-Q> zeta-: i had a good run, have been stable
since jessie's release
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1828 [14:13:12] <Psy-Q> but actually, i mostly just get firefox
from experimental. i could probably live with jessie. newer kernels
would sometimes be nice, but oh well
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1831 [14:15:03] <Psy-Q> aaah crap, and the droid fonts can't
be installed anymore
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1834 [14:16:52] <teraflops> Psy-Q: you dont need to install a font
package, just drop the files in ~/.local/share/fonts
1835 [14:17:20] <Psy-Q> teraflops: yeah, it was just so convenient
to have a package
1836 [14:17:38] <Psy-Q> that way i can just install my package
selections on another machine and use the dotfiles from my homedir
and it all looks the same
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1838 [14:18:01] <Psy-Q> but seeing that google is not using Droid
anymore either, i might as well go with Roboto or something
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1844 [14:19:29] <Psy-Q> or Noto, that looks nice IMHO
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1849 [14:21:17] <Psy-Q> the linux desktop 2016, still an adventure
:D
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1890 [14:38:13] <NoCode> Hi. I followed:
replaced-url
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1892 [14:38:52] <telecity> not really a debian issue
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1894 [14:39:31] <telecity> NoCode: nginx has a much simpler
config, maybe try that instead of apache?
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1896 [14:39:56] <NoCode> what issue is it then?
1897 [14:40:10] <telecity> NoCode: configuration issue of 3rd
party software
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1899 [14:40:27] <NoCode> Apache?
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1901 [14:40:38] <telecity> NoCode: yes
1902 [14:40:46] <jubo2> NoCode: Nginx has much more... flowy
configuration syntax
1903 [14:40:52] <NoCode> Do you have a support number I can call?
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1906 [14:41:35] <jubo2> The Apache is yee trusty ole httpd but if
no requirement to use it than Nginx is often convenient
1907 [14:41:41] <telecity> not even sure how to respond to that..
baffling
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1910 [14:42:26] <telecity> NoCode: this is a debian support
channel, I doubt someone here provides phone support, this channel
is 'as is' and mostly consisting out of volunteers
throughout the world
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1912 [14:42:54] <teraflops> telecity: yeah that's a great
advice, dont use apache because I have no idea of setting up vhosts
go use nginx :S
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1914 [14:43:28] <NoCode> jubo2, I've never used Nginx. I
installed Debian 8 image from my VPS. It installed Apache by
default.
1915 [14:43:57] <telecity> teraflops: if you can't figure out
how to configure a vhost you shouldn't even be configuring
apache in the first place, as a novice
1916 [14:44:33] <teraflops> NoCode: internet is plenty of
docummentation about setting up virtual hosts in apache. also in
setting up dns records.
1917 [14:44:45] <Rudde> Is it possible to make a virtual interface
on debian linked to a proxy server?
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1921 [14:45:12] <NoCode> I have experience with Apache. I just
have a usecase. I've been able to set site.com as easy as
1-2-3. First time trying to set up a website.site.com
1922 [14:45:15] <teraflops> telecity: you are right but dont be so
picky, he's looking for some directions
1923 [14:45:21] <jelly> NoCode: is your vhost supposed to be
visible on the internet?
1924 [14:45:46] <NoCode> Yes it is supposed to be visible.
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1926 [14:46:26] <jelly> NoCode: okay, do the A and/or AAAA records
for your vhost point to an IP address that apache running on your
server is actually listening on?
1927 [14:46:27] <telecity> NoCode: ping it first = is it pingable?
1928 [14:46:50] <jelly> in other words, are you sure you've
set up DNS correctly
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1930 [14:47:27] <jelly> if Chrome says there's a dns error,
that can point to there being... a dns error
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1932 [14:47:31] <NoCode> I can't ping it.
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1934 [14:47:40] <telecity> teraflops: with nginx it's only a
matter of editing the "server_name" directive and adding
the vhost name, that's it.. it would work out of the box :)
1935 [14:47:47] <jelly> NoCode: what's the vhost name in
question?
1936 [14:47:49] <telecity> teraflops: so in all honesty, I think
that's not a bad advice
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1939 [14:48:09] <jelly> telecity: it's completely bad advice
that ignores root cause analysis
1940 [14:48:11] <teraflops> NoCode: yeah first check if dns are
ok. ping or host mysubdomain.whatever.com
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1942 [14:48:39] <teraflops> telecity: I switched to nginx time ago
to be fair :P
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1945 [14:49:11] <NoCode> jelly, test.bytebind.com. I've set
up the test.bytebind.com.conf. So I guess it's the
configuration
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1947 [14:49:29] <NoCode> Or maybe not :P
1948 [14:49:31] <teraflops> NoCode: Host test.bytebind.com not
found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
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1950 [14:50:05] <telecity> jelly: I was under the impression he
had DNS in order, because he was asking specifically about apache,
even with a link.. configuring vhosts on apache is more confusing,
than on nginx
1951 [14:50:14] <jelly> NoCode: you need to add an A record for
"test.bytebind.com."
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1954 [14:50:43] <teraflops> ... hmm or a CNAME
1955 [14:50:46] <NoCode> Okay. brb
1956 [14:50:55] <jelly> no, fuck cnames.
1957 [14:50:56] <dgriffi> what am I missing when I get complaints
like this? /usr/include/linux/types.h:35:1: error: unknown type name
‘__u32’
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1962 [14:51:42] <telecity> look at bytebind.com
1963 [14:51:54] <telecity> a CNAME would work
1964 [14:52:00] <telecity> obviously a fresh install
1965 [14:52:11] <teraflops> telecity: yeah but jelly dislikes
CNAMES :P
1966 [14:52:18] <telecity> ofcourse
1967 [14:52:54] <telecity> for totally sensible reasons
1968 [14:52:58] <telecity> .. not
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1974 [14:53:58] <teraflops> well A looks saner, CNAMES look like a
dirty hack for doing subdomains
1975 [14:54:22] <telecity> if it's the same host?
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1977 [14:54:43] <telecity> if it's the same host = CNAME look
saner
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1979 [14:55:07] <teraflops> hey I do cnames for different hosts
even the certificates work ok :P
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1983 [14:57:00] <telecity> I wonder how do I kill getty
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1989 [14:59:47] <teraflops> telecity: hmm, systemctl restart
getty@ttyN ?
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2005 [15:03:48] <telecity> teraflops: what if I still have sysv?
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find them.
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2031 [15:14:34] <spleen> Hello, i have an error with systemd
script :
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2033 [15:14:39] <spleen> ExecStartPre=/bin/bash -c ulimit -n 20000
2034 [15:14:49] <spleen> is there something wrong ?
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2038 [15:15:20] <themill> that doesn't seem productive
2039 [15:15:21] <jelly> spleen: uh, if you want to set limits, use
native systemd unit syntax
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2042 [15:16:32] <jelly> spleen: LimitNOFILE=... in the [service]
section, probably
2043 [15:16:59] <jelly> as seen in systemd.exec(5) man page
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2047 [15:18:05] <jelly> spleen: are you customizing an existing
service, which one?
2048 [15:18:25] <NoCode> hrm, would I be setting up the DNS
"test.bytebind.com" on my domain's registrar site?
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2053 [15:19:40] <NoCode> Nevermind, I got it. It was well hidden
2054 [15:19:51] <jelly> NoCode: if the NS records for bytebind.com
point to your registrar, most likely
2055 [15:20:21] <jelly> most registrars have some sort of dns
hosting and a simple UI to enter common records
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2070 [15:27:17] <teraflops> telecity: no idea then :(. I have
selective memory
2071 [15:27:43] <spleen> jelly, thank you a lot !
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2084 [15:30:49] <twnqx> hi! how do i get apt-get to verbosely
log/print every step in the configure parts of a .deb?
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2096 [15:35:53] <spleen> jelly, How could source a file with
systemd ? i'd like call source /folder/MyFile
2097 [15:36:01] <spleen> ?
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2106 [15:42:17] <NoCode> hrm, I have name servers enabled on my
current domain in my registrar, added a subdomain to it, but it does
not give me any type of options to allow an A record because the 4
options for name servers from my VPS are there. :|
2107 [15:43:56] <jubo2> NoCode: You need to get straight do you
want to keep the DNS at the registrar or at the VPS hosting guys
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2109 [15:44:36] <jubo2> Sounds to me like you are pointing to the
DNS servers at your hosting guys instead of just using what the
registrar provides
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2112 [15:47:05] <NoCode> If bytebind.com is using my VPS name
servers, wouldn't I have to edit the A records for the sub
domain? Or would I have ot edit the A records on the VPS?
2113 [15:47:16] <NoCode> I'm confused
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2121 [15:50:45] <caffeine> Hi, I just installed debian and have no
audio. I installed pavucontrol, but that did not bring audio, I
mucked with my system and now files will not even play
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2125 [15:51:23] <caffeine> I have an envy24 soundcard, before the
audio deaulted to hdmi audio, so I blacklisted that
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2129 [15:52:12] <caffeine> I went into audio setup and selected
the soundcard, but still no audio
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2136 [15:56:37] <zykotick9> caffeine: have you run
"alsamixer" and unmuted yet?
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2139 [15:57:21] <caffeine> zykotick9, there is no alsamixer
available
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2141 [15:57:49] <caffeine> zykotick9, "connection
refused"
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2144 [15:58:08] <caffeine> zykotick9, That would be awesome if I
could just run alsamixer
2145 [15:58:15] <zykotick9> caffeine: in that cae, i've got
nothin' best of luck.
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2147 [15:59:10] <caffeine> Well, if audio files will not even
play, there is an issue. These are flac files so I don't think
it has to do with licensing
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2149 [15:59:18] <zykotick9> caffeine: <sidenote> debian does
ship "muted" by default, and you'd _typically_ just
use alsamixer to unmute... in your case???
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2153 [16:00:27] <caffeine> zykotick9,
replaced-url
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2155 [16:00:36] <jelly> spleen: you wouldn't, systemd units
are config files not shell.
2156 [16:00:45] <zykotick9> caffeine: sorry i don't go to
pastebin.com... what is it?
2157 [16:01:05] <caffeine> zykotick9, What do you go into?
2158 [16:01:15] <zykotick9> paste.debian.net would work.
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2160 [16:02:12] <caffeine> zykotick9,
replaced-url
2161 [16:02:16] <zykotick9> dpkg: tell caffeine about pastebin.com
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2163 [16:02:52] <spleen> jelly, i have some variables set in a
"default" file. Orginally, no problem with init script.But
how could i use this variable with systemd ?
2164 [16:02:53] <zykotick9> caffeine: sorry, i really don't
have any suggestions at all... best of luck.
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2168 [16:03:49] <caffeine> It's a shame that audio does not
work with debian
2169 [16:04:01] <caffeine> for some machines with some audio cards
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2171 [16:04:07] <caffeine> :-(
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2174 [16:04:23] <caffeine> The universal operating system
2175 [16:04:28] <zykotick9> caffeine: just because you and i
don't know how, doesn't mean it doesn't...
2176 [16:04:30] <jelly> spleen: if it's just environment
variables you want to set, I think there's syntax for that as
well
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2179 [16:04:53] <caffeine> zykotick9, Well, maybe if we are RMS,
it might worl
2180 [16:04:57] <caffeine> work
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2182 [16:05:22] <caffeine> We'd write the drivers for it
2183 [16:05:37] <jelly> spleen: man systemd.exec, again, look for
Environment=
2184 [16:06:08] <jelly> caffeine: works for me!
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2186 [16:06:56] <caffeine> jelly, You have an ice24 sound card?
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2190 [16:07:50] <jelly> caffeine: nah, I use USB DAC stuff
2191 [16:07:51] <zykotick9> caffeine: is this a pci or usb sound
card?
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2193 [16:08:08] <caffeine> zykotick9, PCI
2194 [16:08:13] <caffeine> Jelly is just troling
2195 [16:08:23] <caffeine> ; - b
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2197 [16:08:47] <jelly> it's as much a trolling as
"<caffeine> It's a shame that audio does not work
with debian"
2198 [16:08:55] <caffeine> jelly, goes to Stephen Hawking and
points at his own legs "works for me!"
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2200 [16:09:23] <zykotick9> caffeine: does "lspci -nn | grep
-i audio" show you card? if so, what is the pciid (looks like
[8086:293e])
2201 [16:09:36] <jelly> caffeine: incidentally you want to run
alsamixer as the user that logged in, not root
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2204 [16:10:27] <caffeine> Well, things got a little more
complicated,. audio files will not even play
2205 [16:10:44] <caffeine> Whereas at fresh install they played
2206 [16:11:02] <caffeine> but no sound
2207 [16:11:50] <caffeine> Too much configurin'
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2217 [16:15:47] <xcel> isnt ansiweather default package in
raspberrypi?
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2228 [16:18:15] <teraflops> xcel: is raspberry pi a linux distro?
2229 [16:19:01] <xcel> raspbian
2230 [16:19:03] <xcel> sorry
2231 [16:19:03] <xcel> lol
2232 [16:20:35] <jelly> xcel: you'll want to ask in
#raspbian, about the contents of their distro
2233 [16:21:36] <jelly> we're not aware of their installation
contents or the full set of differences between debian and raspbian
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2236 [16:23:07] <xcel> i see
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2245 [16:26:14] <NoCode> Would I be setting up a rDNS name for
setting up a subdomain?
2246 [16:26:25] <telecity> NoCode: no
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2249 [16:27:48] <telecity> NoCode: your domain's SOA is with
ramnode
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2253 [16:28:55] <telecity> NoCode: bytebind is not using your VPS
name servers.. it uses the name servers of the ISP of your VPS
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2258 [16:30:07] <telecity> NoCode: just login to your ramnode cp
and configure the dns there, create either a subdomain
(test.bytebind.com) with A record and point it to 168.235.68.125 OR
create a CNAME pointing to bytebind.com
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2265 [16:32:09] <telecity> NoCode: to see if it works just ping
test.bytebind.com once everything has been created
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2274 [16:34:09] <Psy-Q> i'm using firefox from
replaced-url
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2278 [16:35:41] <telecity> Psy-Q: removing unstable as a source
after installation?
2279 [16:35:56] <teraflops> You added unstable to mozilla repo or
to the debian ones?
2280 [16:36:01] <Psy-Q> telecity: and re-enable every time a
firefox update comes out?
2281 [16:36:19] <Psy-Q> teraflops: to the debian one like the
mozilla team says to do
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2283 [16:36:35] <Psy-Q> the mozilla *debian* team i mean :) or the
debian mozilla team
2284 [16:36:42] <Psy-Q> actually, the debian mozilla team :)
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2286 [16:37:01] <teraflops> Are you sure they say so?
2287 [16:37:52] <teraflops> Psy-Q: there's a
mozilla.debian.net repo if I remember it correctly
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2290 [16:38:01] <Psy-Q> teraflops: it's right there on their
page, yes:
replaced-url
2291 [16:38:10] <Psy-Q> "You need to add the following entry
in /etc/apt/sources.list or a new file in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/:"
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2293 [16:38:42] <Psy-Q> i've now pinned firefox to unstable
and the rest to testing, but since debian discourages pinning
i'm not sure this is so great
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2296 [16:40:12] <teraflops> Psy-Q: I read I run <list> I
want to install <list>
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2300 [16:40:45] <Psy-Q> teraflops: yeah, for testing and release i
need to add unstable
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2303 [16:41:04] <teraflops> No
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2307 [16:41:44] <teraflops> You need Jessie backports from mozilla
repos
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2310 [16:42:04] <Psy-Q> teraflops: that's not what it tells
me:
replaced-url
2311 [16:42:11] <teraflops> Psy-Q: wait are you in debian etch?
2312 [16:42:17] <Psy-Q> why would i need jessie backports on
testing?
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2314 [16:43:25] <teraflops> Psy-Q: ah fair enough, but why do you
ask this in a debian stable support channel?
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2318 [16:45:25] <Psy-Q> teraflops: ah, ok, i thought it was debian
in general. i did say testing though in the first comment
2319 [16:45:31] <Psy-Q> will ask on #debian-next then
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2321 [16:45:42] <Psy-Q> aah, i can't. it's invite only
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2326 [16:47:50] <themill> Psy-Q: wrong network
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2328 [16:47:55] <Psy-Q> ah crap
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2338 [16:50:44] <teraflops> Psy-Q: yeah sorry I didnt read the
testing bit
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2365 [17:03:34] <simonpatapon> hi
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2372 [17:06:17] <simonpatapon> I cant seem to be able to remove
strict standard errors output in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
2373 [17:06:35] <simonpatapon> i edited it, rebooted and still see
the error on the website
2374 [17:07:16] <zq> so i've noticed that every now and then,
my hostname is changed after requesting a dhcp address from my
router. is there a way to prevent this?
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2378 [17:08:13] <NoCode> telecity, Alright getting somewhere. Now
I have to re-create my subdomains on my server since I removed the
/var/replaced-url
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2383 [17:10:25] <Psy-Q> teraflops: it seems the preferred way
nowadays to do what i was looking for is the apt Default-Release
preference
2384 [17:10:29] <Psy-Q> instead of pinning
2385 [17:10:35] <Psy-Q> so all is well. in case anyone else needs
to do the same :)
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2387 [17:12:04] <NoCode> After I configured the virtualhosts, I
removed them. removed the sites-available configuration file, and
the directory out of /var/replaced-url
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2397 [17:16:55] <qqz> grub-legacy complains: "Filesystem type
unknown, partition type 0x83" in spite of me having loaded the
iso9660 file system
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2419 [17:29:30] <incal> I have an Aiptek PocketCinema A100W,
anyone knows how to get it to work on Debian? It is HDMI, the
computer is VGA, with an adapter in between
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2421 [17:30:47] <qqz> VGA->HDMI converters exist but they are
often incompatible and produce images of poor quality
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2423 [17:30:53] <qqz> ask at #hardware or so
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2425 [17:31:36] <styks1987> anyone have a quick sendmail
replacement for sending any email to a single address for testing?
Similar to mailhog but actually sending the email to a single
address
2426 [17:31:55] <incal> OK, so you think the projector works
plug-and-play only the converter screws it up?
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2433 [17:32:50] <incal> I have used this converter with another
projector and it worked, same computer, doesn't say it should
this time as well tho - drivers etc. in place?
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2448 [17:36:49] <qqz> yes most time the converter fails
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2450 [17:37:16] <incal> thx will try another computer with HDMI
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2452 [17:37:23] <Doyle> Hey. I'm noticing duplicate logs
going to user.log and syslog. Where is this defined?
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2467 [17:42:35] <introom> how can I download this package by means
of http?
2468 [17:42:36] <introom>
replaced-url
2469 [17:42:47] <introom> I don't want the source. I want the
pdf.
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2472 [17:44:03] <keltim> styks1987, ssmtp works well
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2474 [17:44:41] <keltim> Doyle, rsyslog.conf
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2479 [17:45:43] <keltim> Doyle, notice user.* goes to user.log,
*.* goes to /var/log/syslog
2480 [17:45:43] <Doyle> Thanks keltim, does user.log usually
duplicate syslog?
2481 [17:45:56] <keltim> Doyle, yes, here it is intentional
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2483 [17:46:52] <Doyle> What's the best approach for handing
server logs that are hitting both, say from mesos?
2484 [17:47:17] <keltim> Doyle, you mean consuming both? and
getting dupe messages?
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2486 [17:47:29] <Doyle> getting dupe messages
2487 [17:47:42] <Doyle> well, the same logs are hitting each file
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2490 [17:48:25] <keltim> well, you could remove the rsyslog
configuration that duplicates messages, or not include those log
file for consumption by your log system
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2493 [17:49:44] <Doyle> Thanks keltim, time to refresh my rsyslog
rules know-how.
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2505 [17:52:15] <arinov> hi
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2508 [17:52:41] <Iridos> is there something in gnome-terminal to
save the content of the terminal to a file?
2509 [17:52:49] <arinov> what is the default credentials for
livecd-standard?
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2519 [17:56:41] <Iridos> dpkg, live login
2520 [17:56:42] <dpkg> The debian-live images for Debian 8
"Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use.
username: user ; password: live
2521 [17:56:42] <arinov> my disk was drop me into a TTY1 and i
can't find any information about default login in the FAQ page
2522 [17:56:53] <arinov> ok thanks
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2526 [17:57:39] <Iridos> couldn't find the factoid... too
much stuff with "live" in it... and yeah, couldn't
really find it quickly on the net either
2527 [17:58:42] <arinov> should standard live image run GUI or it
is teminal based only?
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2531 [17:59:45] <styks1987> keltim: this looks close to what I
want, however, I cannot determine how to make it only send to a
single address. From what I read, I should be able to set root to an
email address and all email should go there?
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2539 [18:02:17] <Iridos> arinov, don't know. on irc.oftc.net,
there is a channel #debian-live. There's only ~80 people, so
maybe nobody's around, but if there is, you likely get better
answers
2540 [18:02:50] <arinov> Iridos: understood
2541 [18:03:00] <arinov> Iridos: whats here?
2542 [18:04:08] <Iridos> asking debian-live stuff here is ok, but
most people probably just use a regular debian install
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2548 [18:05:32] <jair> Hello hello... I am having an issue with
VLC 2.2.2 opening up the movies in full screen, should I look for
another channel? #vlc?
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2550 [18:05:59] <Iridos> hell... seems gnome-shell doesn't
allow to save to a file directly, then... I tried to copy&paste
the stuff out into a vi... the cp&paste is running since I
asked!
2551 [18:06:19] <jair> I already try a lot of settings from the
VLC forums and nothing... I wonder if the people from #ubuntu or
#mint might have an idea...
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2569 [18:13:23] <donald> hello every time then I send gpg
--keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --list-key x to get
a key that I have got from gpg --keyid-format long --list-sigs
A490D0F4D311A4153E2BB7CADBB802B258ACD84F (the Tails identifient) I
alway get "gpg: error reading key: public key not found"
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2576 [18:17:50] <ays> is there a "physics dictionary" in
debian?
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2581 [18:18:28] <donald> do you mean with static content from the
hard disk?
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2586 [18:20:26] <ays> donald : yes, I mean local content
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2602 [18:25:20] <sarkis> is it possible to set: -o
Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" globally?
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2605 [18:25:42] <sarkis> i assumed it's possible in apt.conf?
but Dpkg::Options - maybe this is not apt but dpkg :D
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2607 [18:25:54] <sarkis> not sure if theres a dpkg global cojnf
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2610 [18:26:55] <kayhayen> Hello there, I am on a relatively fresh
Stretch install, with gdm3, and right after boot, it will show a
power button icon, but no options there
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2612 [18:27:16] <kayhayen> any idea how systemd and gdm3 agree on
who is in charge
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2615 [18:28:20] <kayhayen> and then, when powerbutton hibernates
with a user locked in, after resume, BIOS and Grub2 habe no keyboard
control. Plus power on via keyboard happens despite being disabled
in BIOS. How is that even possible.
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2617 [18:30:20] <Iridos> kayhayen, guess things being wrong is
normal for testing... speak with #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, that
focuses on testing/unstable systems
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2619 [18:30:59] <kayhayen> I see, thanks for the pointer Iridos
2620 [18:31:34] <kayhayen> seems it takes an invivitation to enter
debian-next :)
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2622 [18:31:54] <greycat> No, it takes being on the correct
network.
2623 [18:31:54] <Iridos> you might try reading my sentence until
the end
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2625 [18:32:08] <greycat> !debian-next
2626 [18:32:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2627 [18:32:11] <kayhayen> You mean, I need to go to that precise
server too.
2628 [18:32:40] <Iridos> this here is freenode, most official
debian channels are on irc.oftc.net
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2633 [18:33:44] <leba2> Do you think samba4.2 badlock fixes have
been already pushed to debian jessie repos?
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2635 [18:34:05] <leba2> *recent badlock fixes
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2637 [18:34:13] <greycat> Is there a debian bug report for it?
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2641 [18:35:18] <kayhayen> thanks for the pointer again, bye
2642 [18:35:21] <leba2> greycat: no idea! But the recent badlock
issue was everything but false:
replaced-url
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2644 [18:35:31] <dax> leba2: yes, it's fixed in
jessie-security,
replaced-url
2645 [18:35:32] <leba2> And I'd like to use debian for an ad
dc...
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2647 [18:36:23] <greycat> Oh, if "badlock" is a security
hole and not just a bug then it should get fixed very quickly. If
not already.
2648 [18:36:31] <leba2> dax: so it's just a matter of running
a software update in debian? Or even just installing samba4.2 if
starting a fresh debian install?
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2650 [18:36:39] <leba2> Ah, thanks.
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2652 [18:36:48] <dax> leba2: assuming you don't disable
jessie-security, yes
2653 [18:37:09] <leba2> jessie-security comes enabled by default,
right?
2654 [18:37:16] <dax> yes
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2658 [18:37:39] <greycat>
replaced-url
2659 [18:37:55] <greycat> This was fixed by the 4.2 push-out,
allegedly.
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2662 [18:38:45] <introom> anso I installed the 'dh-make'
2663 [18:38:48] <Iridos> didn't one of the bots have a cve
command/factoid that'd show the title and produce the link?
2664 [18:38:49] <introom> but command not found.
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2666 [18:39:28] <greycat> Probably.
2667 [18:39:36] <greycat> judd help
2668 [18:39:37] <judd> (help [<plugin>] [<command>])
-- This command gives a useful description of what <command>
does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more
than one plugin.
2669 [18:39:42] <greycat> *sigh*
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2675 [18:40:53] <Vanfanel> Hi. Do you know what kernel
configuration setting could I check if my Debian system is ignoring
/etc/security/limits.conf?
2676 [18:40:54] <jernest> Can anyone tell me what steps I need to
take in order to get the package "sudo apt-get install
bluez" getting the source, and recompiling it the way Raspbian
did for 5.23? I run sudo apt-get source --compile bluez, then I try
to dpkg -i each .deb, but it says it's downgrading 5.23_2+rpi
to 5.23_2 and then breaks my bluetooth.
2677 [18:41:15] <greycat> Vanfanel: that has *nothing* to do with
the kernel. It's enforced by PAM in userspace only on services
so marked in your PAM conf.
2678 [18:41:17] <leba2> Oohhh
2679 [18:41:22] <leba2> Heil debian.
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2683 [18:41:47] <jernest> Also if I try just compiling any version
of Bluez 5.23 and above up to 5.39 from a tarball and installing it
still breaks my bluetooth (bdaddr AA:AA:AA:AA:AA:AA)
2684 [18:42:21] <Vanfanel> greycat: are you sure? I have two
kernels here, both using the same rootfs, one takes the limits.conf
into account and the other ignores it
2685 [18:42:39] <jernest> I've been on this for a few days
and am extremely frustrated someone please help.
2686 [18:42:45] <greycat> Vanfanel: it's enforced by
pam_limits
2687 [18:42:56] <Iridos> don't think it was judd... at least
don't see anything there (it's "list" - or
likely "list Judd" because it should be one of the
judd-specific plugins)
2688 [18:42:56] <greycat> grep -r pam_limits /etc/pam*
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2693 [18:44:27] <Vanfanel> greycat:
replaced-url
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2695 [18:44:58] <Vanfanel> greycat: seems ok to me
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2697 [18:45:13] <greycat> Yes, right, so *those* are the userspace
services/programs that enforce pam_limits. Nothing else.
2698 [18:45:26] <Vanfanel> in fact it works with the stock kernel
but not with my custom kernel
2699 [18:45:43] <greycat> WHAT works? WHAT doesn't work?
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2701 [18:46:28] <Vanfanel> greycat: setting an unlimited ammount
of memory to max memory lock, for example
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2704 [18:47:18] <greycat> In what program? How did you execute the
program? What other resource limit changes might be affecting the
program before you query it? How do you know the limit is not what
you wanted?
2705 [18:47:32] <Iridos> jernest, how are we supposed to know
"the way Raspbian did" change a package? If you want to
modify a debian package, you can do that by running
dpkg-buildpackage -uc inside the tree
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2708 [18:48:03] <jernest> I'm not asking specifically how to
build it, just how to recreate the steps to build
2709 [18:48:06] <Iridos> jernest, if you do apt-get -b source xxx,
apt will always do the whole unpack/patch/compile thing and any
modification is lost
2710 [18:48:12] <greycat> jernest: /msg dpkg source
2711 [18:48:42] <jernest> Long story short I need to make some
modifications to the Gatt server inside of Bluez, and it's
compiled in as a "plugin"
2712 [18:48:57] <greycat> extract the debianized source, make your
modifications, build the debs
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2715 [18:49:28] <jernest> but I have to do it whatever way they do
it because some patches are apparently applied and some other
commands that are different from the original source of Bluez to get
it working on the Raspberry Pi 3.
2716 [18:49:32] <Vanfanel> greycat: wait wait wait... I am totally
stupid. It DOES modify the memory lock max. But it's though ssh
that I get: max locked memory (kbytes, -l) 64
2717 [18:49:44] <Vanfanel> greycat: I am using simply ulimit -l
2718 [18:50:17] <Vanfanel> greycat: so these limits in limits.conf
are not applicable if I log in using ssh?
2719 [18:50:28] <greycat> Double-check that your /etc/pam.d/sshd
is set correctly, restart ssh if necessary, and make sure none of
your SHELL DOT FILES are overriding the limit.
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2721 [18:50:50] <greycat> You might be doing a ulimit command in
~/.bash_profile or something, which would decrease the limit.
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2723 [18:51:34] <jernest> Iridos: If I understand you right, I
can't run apt-get -b source bluez and then just modify the
files, recompile and build?
2724 [18:51:48] <greycat> You can, but the rebuild step would not
be done with apt-get.
2725 [18:51:54] <jernest> Sorry I'm kind of new at this, just
got the basics down
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2727 [18:52:44] <jernest> How would I make changes to the source
and then have it rebuilt the apt-get why?
2728 [18:52:46] <jernest> *way
2729 [18:52:55] <greycat> jernest: /msg dpkg source
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2732 [18:53:00] <jernest> I did
2733 [18:53:22] <greycat> Continue asking it things, as indicated
by the <triggers> in <angle brackets>.
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2735 [18:53:41] <jernest> I tried those steps, just need to know
what to do after it creates the .deb files (there were many)
2736 [18:53:59] <jernest> doing dpkg -i on all of them didn't
get the desired result
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2740 [18:55:18] <greycat> The most likely issue is that you forgot
to edit the changes file, so it didn't actually build a new
version.
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2742 [18:55:38] <greycat> changelist, changes, changes.Debian,
whatever it is. I don't have one handy.
2743 [18:55:44] <greycat> !dcl
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2750 [18:58:41] <jernest> I looked at package recompile but it did
steps I already tried and didn't work. Originally I tried sudo
apt-get source bluez. Then I cd'd into the dir and ran
debian/rules, and it says libbluetooth.so.3 was missing.
2751 [18:59:02] <greycat> Then how did it build the .deb files?
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2753 [18:59:18] <jernest> So, I went back and ran sudo apt-get
source --compile bluez, and it went all the way through and patched
some files, then did the build, and generated some .deb files
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2757 [19:00:12] <jernest> So I tried doing dpkg -i on each package
it built (there were several like bluez, libbluetooth, etc), and it
said downgrading 5.23_2+rpi to 5.23_2
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2759 [19:00:54] <jernest> Then on reboot the bluetooth adapter
wouldn't work (bdaddr AA:AA:AA:AA:AA:AA), so I ran sudo apt-get
remove bluez, then sudo apt-get install bluez, then sudo reboot, and
bluetooth was back
2760 [19:00:57] <greycat> Redoing apt-get source blew away your
changes, or at best it gave you the original debs back in a
different hierarchy.
2761 [19:01:05] <greycat> Why are you not able to understand this?
2762 [19:01:27] <Putti> I want to cross compile arm code on x86
but I am missing glibc. Does someone know if I can download glibc
for cross compiling purposes in debian jessie or is it only in sid?
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2765 [19:02:03] <jernest> Why? Because I haven't MADE any
changes yet, I'm just getting it to compile first so I can
ensure that what I'm building is the same as what was released.
So that once I know that THAT is working, I can make changes and
rebuild so I can modify the Gatt server.
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2769 [19:03:05] <jernest> It makes no sense for me to make a whole
bunch of changes to something that's not even working, so the
source needs to compile, and install, EXACTLY the same way that sudo
apt-get install does.
2770 [19:03:05] <Iridos> jernest, the 5.23_2+rpi sounds a lot like
a raspberry pi package... if we're not talking about debian you
should ask #raspberrypi
2771 [19:03:11] <greycat> !dch
2772 [19:03:12] <dpkg> well, dch is a tool from the
<devscripts> package that is used to manipulate changelog
entries in Debian source packages. It helps get the formatting right
in the changelog entry and opens the changelog in your chosen
editor. dch can set versions, target releases, add template
information for closing bugs, etc. It's also known as
"debchange".
2773 [19:03:34] <jernest> That's what installs apparently
when I type sudo apt-get install bluez
2774 [19:03:43] <greycat> ,v bluez
2775 [19:03:44] <judd> Package: bluez on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.66-3;
wheezy: 4.99-2; jessie: 5.23-2+b1; sid: 5.36-1; stretch: 5.36-1
2776 [19:03:58] <jernest> ok and I've asked and nobody in
#raspbian knows anything about installing from source, apparently...
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2779 [19:04:16] <jernest> This is frustration as hell just trying
to get some help with getting a package compiled.
2780 [19:04:22] <Vanfanel> greycat: the probem is that this system
uses dropbear, not sshd, so what file should I check to try the
limits.conf settings to be applied to ssh logins?
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2784 [19:04:58] <greycat> Vanfanel: you would probably have to
create a dropbear pam config, assuming dropbear is actually linked
with libpam, which it might not be. I don't know.
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2786 [19:05:26] <Iridos> but we don't know about what
raspbian did to their packages... and so we can (and want to) only
answer questions for issues on debian systems here
2787 [19:05:41] <Vanfanel> greycat: thanks for the ideas anyway, I
will check if it's linked or not :)
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2789 [19:06:36] <jernest> I have no idea what all they've
done, but whatever they've done, it runs when I do "sudo
apt-get install bluez."
2790 [19:06:51] <Iridos> that's the binary package
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2792 [19:06:57] <jernest> So in theory, if I get "sudo
apt-get source bluez" like I've done, shouldn't it
have the same files?
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2795 [19:07:09] <jernest> And if not, how do I go about getting
the files?
2796 [19:07:15] <jernest> I have no clue
2797 [19:07:26] <Iridos> and for debian packages I've never
seen the case that recompiling from source with apt-get -b source
xxx produces anything different
2798 [19:08:35] <jernest> well I didn't try with -b I did
--compile, which was my whole entire question in the first place of
what happens behind the scenes when you run -b vs. --compile,
apparently it's more than just dpkg -i so it would seem.
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2801 [19:09:11] <Iridos> of course it is
2802 [19:09:32] <jernest> So yes maybe they did do some things,
but how in the hell do I find out? Nobody seems to know.
2803 [19:09:35] <greycat> jernest: *plonk*
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2805 [19:09:48] <greycat> Off topic, does not read answers, does
not apply knowledge given.
2806 [19:09:49] <Iridos> making and installing a .deb file
isn't the same... that's why you tried to install it
afterwards
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2811 [19:10:52] <jernest> Yeah because it seemed like it would be
a logical course of action to do step 1 before step 2, that is, make
sure it compiles, then once that's done make sure it builds
2812 [19:11:15] <jernest> I can run the -b and that's fine,
but didn't you guys say earlier that it would overwrite any
changes I will potentially make anyway?
2813 [19:11:40] <Iridos> -b, --compile, --build are synonyms
according to the man-page
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2815 [19:12:05] <Iridos> yes, and I also told you what to do
instead so that changes don't get overwritten
2816 [19:12:21] <Iridos> anyway, it's offtopic here, ask
#raspbian
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2819 [19:13:17] <jernest> I asked in #raspbian
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2822 [19:13:48] <Iridos> that doesn't make it on-topic here
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2824 [19:14:00] <H4ndy> I just read about the problem with entropy
on headless servers after seeing that my pool is pretty much below
100 all the time regarind to netdata
2825 [19:14:04] <jernest> I don't see a message with you
telling me what to do so the changes won't be overwritten, what
is that again?
2826 [19:14:10] <H4ndy> is haveged still the way to go?`
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2828 [19:14:29] <H4ndy> *regarding to
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2830 [19:14:42] <panjim> anyone has rooted any phone?
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2833 [19:15:01] <H4ndy> I used to until Android 5 hit
2834 [19:15:08] <H4ndy> dont need it anymore since then
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2836 [19:15:47] <jernest> Let me try rephrasing this a different
way.
2837 [19:16:06] <jelly> H4ndy: haveged is a decent workaround, yes
2838 [19:16:13] <jernest> If I've built a package with
--compile (or -b, or whatever), what do I do with it next to
install?
2839 [19:16:42] <H4ndy> jelly: thanks. It seems to work as
intended, was just curious
2840 [19:16:44] <jernest> I tried dpkg -i on each package and I
did not get the same result as I did running sudo apt-get install
bluez
2841 [19:16:46] <panjim> which hardwarefeatures gets unlocked
after rooting a phone?
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2844 [19:17:46] <jelly> H4ndy: ubuntu have an interesting setup
with a remote daemon providing entropy and a client that works early
in userspace, but I forget the name
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2850 [19:18:40] <jelly> panjim: this doesn't sound like a
Debian-specific issue, and this channel is for questions about
debian. You may want to find an android or iOS channel instead
2851 [19:18:54] <panjim> ok thank jelly
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2853 [19:19:03] <Iridos> jernest, " If you want to modify a
debian package, you can do that by running dpkg-buildpackage -uc
inside the tree"
2854 [19:19:22] <jernest> Oh let me explain on that one
2855 [19:20:14] <Iridos> jernest, no. go to #raspian or look at
their wiki. it's offtopic here (and rather pointless)
2856 [19:20:14] <jernest> I tried that earlier and had some issues
both with running dpkg-buildpackage -uc in the tree and also running
debian/rules binary it gave me some error about libbluetooth.so.3
being missing
2857 [19:20:20] <jelly> panjim: you can search channels on
freenode (this irc network) by asking a bot, eg: /msg alis list
*android* -min 100
2858 [19:20:49] <jernest> Alright, I'm getting out of your
hair since you guys don't know anything
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2860 [19:20:54] <panjim> yeah i love that command jelly
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2864 [19:21:34] <jelly> panjim: you'll find there's a
very specific #android-root channel, in this case
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2866 [19:22:20] <panjim> yeah i found it thanks jelly
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2900 [19:36:12] <kirkland> jelly: the client is pollinate, the
server is pollen, which is hosted at entropy.ubuntu.com
2901 [19:36:36] <kirkland> jelly: it's only really for
improving the initial prng seed, rather than ongoing entropy
2902 [19:36:57] <kirkland> jelly: H4ndy: details at
replaced-url
2903 [19:37:15] <H4ndy> thanks a lot
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2916 [19:43:41] <gluon> i wonder what frontend people use more
these days as users: the older lower level apt-get/cache, apt or
aptitude?
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2919 [19:44:32] <abrotman> depends on needs
2920 [19:44:37] <ipatrol> gluon: I use aptitude, though I suspect
a lot of commands are run as apt-get because most online
instructions are written that way
2921 [19:44:57] <greycat> I still use apt-cache/apt-get because
that's what I learned.
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2924 [19:45:12] <telecity> I'm an apt-get-er as well
2925 [19:45:37] <gluon> i used apt-get for a long long time but
i've been trying apt recently
2926 [19:45:44] <gluon> it does it job well too
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2928 [19:46:28] <telecity> what made you switch
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2930 [19:46:37] <H4ndy> I switched to "apt" with Jessie,
it much easier on the command line with inline scrolling and
progress
2931 [19:46:45] <H4ndy> and pretty much works like apt-get
2932 [19:47:00] <H4ndy> I always felt aptitude to be really hard
to navigate
2933 [19:47:21] <gluon> same reasons as H4ndy
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2937 [19:48:05] <Cyoux> Hi, I have a MacBook Pro with Jessie and
kernel 4.4 from backports. When I insert a SD-Card it is not
detected. No sign in /var/log/messages or syslog. There is only
/dev/sda(1-3). Where could I start looking?
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2940 [19:48:36] <gluon> and also because apt upgrade is more
convenient than apt-get dist-upgrade –with-new-pkgs
2941 [19:48:43] <gluon> but yeah, small details
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2945 [19:49:14] <H4ndy> the first thing I do tho is setting alias
aptlist='apt list --upgradable' ^
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2948 [19:49:29] <gluon> hehe handy one H4ndy
2949 [19:49:30] <H4ndy> the command is so... clunky
2950 [19:49:59] * H4ndy sees what you did there
2951 [19:50:04] <gluon> :D
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2976 [19:56:41] <panjim> whcih server software do yuou use from
phone?
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2984 [20:00:12] <Putti> Is it still possible to boot debian
without initramfs/initrd? If so, how?
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2988 [20:01:07] <Putti> I mean I tried init=/bin/bash on grub menu
but didn't seem to work
2989 [20:01:22] <jelly> Putti: custom kernel with all the drivers
and probably not with systemd
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2991 [20:01:49] <jelly> haven't really tried it since...
squeeze or so
2992 [20:01:54] <Putti> jelly, okay, thanks! :)
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2994 [20:02:15] <jelly> "why"
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2996 [20:02:29] <Putti> because it would be cool xD
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3005 [20:04:04] <jelly> we've been there. initrd is a lot
more cool
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3010 [20:06:41] <Devastator> This is probably not the right
channel to ask, but I'm trying to learn KVM and for that
I'm installing Debian 8.4 from scratch on a computer and I
wonder if I need some special partition scheme for that
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3012 [20:07:01] <Devastator> unfortunately #kvm is rather silent..
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3015 [20:08:03] <Putti> Devastator, maybe the wiki page will also
help you:
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3017 [20:09:32] <jmcnaught> Devastator: you don't need a
special partition scheme for the host OS, but it can be useful. If
you are using libvirt the default place it will put VM image files
is /var/lib/libvirt/images/ (so you could simply make sure there is
lots of room there). I like to have a separate LVM volume group for
libvirt, and each VM gets a logical volume as its "image"
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3028 [20:12:36] <Devastator> Putti, jmcnaught thanks!
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3030 [20:12:51] <NoCode> "Failed to get D-Bus connection: No
such file or directory" when restarting apache. Any ideas?
3031 [20:13:05] <NoCode> Used systemctl apache restart
3032 [20:13:12] <awwal> Looking for a word processor alternative.
Apart libreoffice, abiword, texlive stuff and calligra, is there any
lightweight pkg (just word)?
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3035 [20:13:35] <Devastator> jmcnaught so "Guided - use
entire disk and set up LVM" would be my pick, right?
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3045 [20:15:31] <jmcnaught> Devastator: it could be, but that
would set you up with a single volume group using all of the space
available on the drive. libvirt *can* use the VG of the host OS as a
storage pool, but my preference is for it to have a separate VG
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3047 [20:16:32] <Devastator> jmcnaught "Guided - use entire
disk" then?
3048 [20:16:45] <Devastator> jmcnaught sorry, I'm a bit lost
here hehe
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3059 [20:18:54] <jmcnaught> Devastator: that would use the entire
disk without LVM. If you're new to LVM you may want to read
[1]. How many disks does the computer have? If you only have one,
you may want to partition it into two LVM physical volumes, one each
for the host volume group and libvirt volume group. [1]
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3065 [20:19:34] <Devastator> jmcnaught thank you sir, yes,
I'm new to LVM
3066 [20:19:47] <Devastator> reading your link as we speak
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3068 [20:20:36] <Devastator> jmcnaught the computer has only one
disk, yes, so I think "Guided - use entire disk and set up
LVM" is the right pick here, no?
3069 [20:20:37] <HarveyPwca> awwal: How "light" do you
want it to be? I rarely use anything except a text editor myself.
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3072 [20:22:05] <jmcnaught> Devastator: although that is from RHEL
most of it is relevant to Jessie. If you're new to LVM simply
using image files and making sure there is lots of room in
/var/lib/libvirt/images (which would be the case for "Guided
... LVM") is probably fine
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3077 [20:23:06] <jmcnaught> Devastator: then you can learn LVM
using virtual machines, and if you decide it's useful you can
always add a new HDD and use it for a new LVM volume group for your
libvirt VMs
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3085 [20:24:34] <awwal> HarveyPwca, lighter then abiword , lol.
Seems that there is no a real alternative to the pkgs I listed. So
what you do if you want a word document(odf/microsoft)? plain text
and export to word using extra tools?
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3090 [20:25:28] <Kentsfield> Hello guys, I have a question... I am
a bit worried that my system/network has been "hacked"
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3093 [20:26:13] <Kentsfield> I have a 19" server with debian
jessie, which I installed only 2 weeks ago. There was not much
installed afterwards, screen, a gameserver and so on. But nothing
which could be a big deal, you know
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3095 [20:26:51] <HarveyPwca> If someone sends me a $M document I
either convert it to pdf and use evince to view it or I open it in
Abiword. Depends really on who is sending the document to me and
whether I can trust them.
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3097 [20:26:54] <Devastator> jmcnaught ok, it allowed me to
separate /home, /var and /tmp into different partitions, HDD size is
500GB, /home is with 478.9GB, / is with 9GB, swap 8.6GB, /tmp with
398.5MB, /var with 3GB, /boot with 254.8MB, should I edit it to give
/var more space?
3098 [20:26:56] <Kentsfield> since the server stands in another
room, I use the IPMI interface to start/shutdown the server. And I
am pretty sure that I shut it down the last time I used it. Today I
got home and found the server _running_...
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3100 [20:27:10] <jmcnaught> awwal: abiword *is* really light in my
experience. i have run it on an openmoko with 400 MHz ARM and 128 MB
of RAM
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3102 [20:28:06] <Kentsfield> uptime 4 days. But what really
worries me, is that theres a pid called "exim4" running. I
googled a bit and found out, that exim4 is a mail tool, which I
definetly didn't install.
3103 [20:28:16] <jmcnaught> Devastator: just use "all in one
partition". do you have a special reason to need it divided up
like that. it's pretty common to see people divide it up and
then run into problems later one because something is too small
3104 [20:28:21] <HarveyPwca> If someone needs something from me I
send it as a pdf file.
3105 [20:28:29] <markybob> Kentsfield: exim is installed by
default.
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3107 [20:28:39] <Kentsfield> ah okay... phew, that really helps
3108 [20:28:45] <awwal> jmcnaught, right, and I have it; just
wanted to try something different...
3109 [20:28:46] <Kentsfield> I was not sure if exim is installed
by default.
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3113 [20:29:18] <Cyoux> Kentsfield, I recommend reading the
"Debian Administrators Handbook"
3114 [20:29:21] <jelly> Kentsfield: if you chose the server task
in the installer, it would have gotten installed then
3115 [20:29:21] <Kentsfield> it was just strange, that it was
running as a deamon with the parameters exim4 -bd -q30m. I never
started it.
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3117 [20:29:44] <jelly> Kentsfield: you also have a dozen other
daemons running
3118 [20:29:46] <markybob> Kentsfield: you don't need to
start it. it starts by default
3119 [20:29:46] <Devastator> jmcnaught well, I usually separate
/home, so if system borks I can probably mount /home on the new
system, assuming it was not a hardware (HDD) problem
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3121 [20:30:15] <jelly> Kentsfield: systemd, atd, crond, rsyslog,
sshd very likely...
3122 [20:30:43] <Kentsfield> I do. First - Thanks for helping me.
2nd - Sorry for asking those stupid questions, but I know that my
main pc had a trojan a few weeks ago. I used dban to wipe all hdds
and clean installed a new OS without saving any data.
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3125 [20:31:08] <Kentsfield> yes, they're running too. But I
know that they get started automatically
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3127 [20:31:29] <jelly> and so did exim, it just has no
"d" at the end for some reason
3128 [20:32:09] <Kentsfield> for what is the param d good for?
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3133 [20:33:23] <Kentsfield> ah, man says debug - If I got this
right
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3136 [20:33:45] <jmcnaught> awwal: have you tried Lyx? that's
pretty different
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3140 [20:34:08] <Devastator> jmcnaught I think I'm gonna
separate just /home then and move on, for a first time I think it is
ok
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3146 [20:35:09] <Devastator> unless you have another advice :)
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3154 [20:38:22] <Kentsfield> okay, next task is to find out how to
hold libvirt the right way :)
3155 [20:38:25] <Devastator> also, can the host be one server
(http server for example) and the guest be another server (mail
server)?
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3158 [20:39:03] <jmcnaught> Devastator: just make sure that rootfs
(/) is large enough for however many image files you think
you'll use. Keep in mind that it's pretty easy to use 15GB
or more just for the host OS with desktop environment, applications
and games
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3161 [20:39:51] <jmcnaught> Devastator: yes of course, but you
might find it more useful to have all the servers be contained in
VMs.
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3190 [20:47:42] <awwal> jmcnaught, never tried lyx. I have seen it
via apt search/description but not sure what is it exactly, if it
have a gui and abe to create word files just as I do with
libreofficw writer and abiword
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3197 [20:49:56] <jmcnaught> awwal: maybe not word files, but
it's a What You See Is What You Mean document processor based
on LaTeX that lets you focus on the content and it handles the
styling
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3209 [20:51:56] <leba2> A samba4.2 ad dc requires winbind, right?
Or am I confusing?
3210 [20:51:58] <awwal> jmcnaught, ok. I'm going to try it in
my jessie VM and see whats exactly
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installed as well?
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3226 [20:56:12] <Guesf_87875>
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3232 [20:58:04] <wsky> can someone help me finding out why
hinbernetion randomly works or fails to work on my debian jessie?
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3236 [20:58:33] <awwal> :) lyx without recommends 55 mb, with
recommends 1 gb + 200 mb :) trying if useful without recommends ...
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3240 [20:59:37] <jmcnaught> awwal: installing it without
recommends is probably a lot less informative than reading its
website or watching a youtube video about it to see how it works
3241 [20:59:54] <wsky> sometimes i get only kernel: [14266.139635]
PM: Hibernation mode set to 'platform' at the end of
/var/log/debug and that's it, it does not hibernate
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3243 [21:00:19] <wsky> and sometimes, usually right after i boot
the system it's working perfectly fine
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3246 [21:00:32] <Devastator> jmcnaught got it, strangely enough,
when I try to separate just /home, it wants to use ext2 on /boot, is
this normal?
3247 [21:01:02] <markybob> Devastator: yes
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3252 [21:01:26] <jmcnaught> Devastator: yeah that's normal. i
think it's in case grub-legacy gets used which has some
limitations with ext3/ext4
3253 [21:01:39] <awwal> jmcnaught, good idea. but I'll try it
in my VM anyway. that why I have a jessie VM in my jessie host :P I
try stuff in VM, if all good I install in real system :)
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3258 [21:02:57] <awwal> I'm a precocious user, trying to keep
my system clean and at minimals all the time :P
3259 [21:03:20] <greycat> Not sure what word you meant, but
"precocious" wasn't it.
3260 [21:03:58] <jmcnaught> awwal: not a bad policy, but next time
give your VM enough room to install the recommends. they are
recommended after all.
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3269 [21:07:24] <Iridos> isn't there another pdf2svg? I
thought I could convert pdf with the text left as text more
successfully than now
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3271 [21:09:16] <awwal> jmcnaught, yes. next time I'll have
to create a virtual disk with a dynamically allocated file instead
of a fixed size one ...
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3274 [21:10:22] <awwal> seems that fixed size is more faster
regarding vbox docs,
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3276 [21:10:40] <wsky> why would hibernation randomly fail to
work?
3277 [21:10:56] <wsky> with no information in dmesg
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3279 [21:11:38] <wsky> sometimes it just freezes the screen and
all hid but the hdd led still blinks from time to time
3280 [21:12:10] <wsky> but the system refuses to get dumped into
swap and the sleep led wont blink neither
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3284 [21:12:42] <wsky> i just found out that there is a
hibernation test possible
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3286 [21:12:59] <wsky> set via /sys/power/pm_test
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3289 [21:14:03] <wsky> it's annoying
3290 [21:14:12] <awwal> wsky, check
replaced-url
3291 [21:14:21] <wsky> yeah i've seen that
3292 [21:14:24] <wsky> i'm doing the test
3293 [21:14:32] <wsky> but as i said, it happens randomly
3294 [21:14:48] <wsky> it fails to work some time after i boot the
machine
3295 [21:15:08] <awwal> systemd is related too , i think
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3326 [21:28:26] <ipatrol> how do I bridge a host connected to a
machine that is not the router?
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3331 [21:30:09] <markybob> ipatrol: i assume this is what you mean
replaced-url
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3333 [21:30:18] <ipatrol> markybob: no, not at all
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3335 [21:30:48] <ipatrol> I have a network drive connected to my
ethernet port, and I want to share it with the 802.11 network
I'm on
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3338 [21:31:11] <greycat> Mount it, then share it.
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3347 [21:34:53] <ipatrol> greycat: it's an AFT
3348 [21:34:57] <ipatrol> *AFP
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3350 [21:35:18] <ipatrol> I don't even know if it's
actually a filesystem anywhere
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3352 [21:35:47] <greycat> Then I haven't got the slightest
clue what you mean by "network drive". (Or
"AFP".)
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3355 [21:36:42] <ipatrol> Apple File Protocol
3356 [21:36:56] <ipatrol> *Filing
3357 [21:37:07] <ipatrol> why WD decided to use it I'll never
know
3358 [21:37:28] <greycat> I know nothing about Apple.
3359 [21:38:41] <greycat> !afp
3360 [21:38:41] <dpkg> The Apple Filing Protocol (AFP, formerly
AppleTalk Filing Protocol) is a proprietary network protocol
providing file services for Mac OS X. Ask me about <netatalk>
(AFP server) and <afpfs-ng> (AFP client). Not to be confused
with <afs>.
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3362 [21:39:26] <Devastator> jmcnaught just for you to know, I
partitioned it manually as this: 255MB for /boot as ext2, 499GB as
lvm, being 100GB for /home, 8.6GB for swap and / with the rest
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3367 [21:40:31] <bogdanovby> test00
3368 [21:40:36] <jelly> Devastator: "/ with the rest" is
silly, leave space unallocated in the VG instead
3369 [21:41:02] <Devastator> jelly oh god.. let me start over
then..
3370 [21:41:19] <jelly> bogdanovby: test failed.
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3372 [21:41:49] <wsky> jelly: have you got any thoughts on the
issue of mine?
3373 [21:41:55] <jmcnaught> Devastator: that 499 as LVM, is that a
partition used as a physical volume for LVM? The others, are they
also in a separate LVM VG, or just plain partitions?
3374 [21:42:00] <jelly> wsky: no, did not read it
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3376 [21:42:00] <wsky> jelly: the one about hibernation failing
3377 [21:42:10] <wsky> 21:10:40 < wsky> why would
hibernation randomly fail to work?
3378 [21:42:10] <wsky> 21:10:56 < wsky> with no information
in dmesg
3379 [21:42:11] <ewew> Hi. Did someone had a issue with devpts
permision setting. In my case the system seams ignoring
/etc/default/devpts on systemd system.
3380 [21:42:13] <Devastator> jelly how much space should I leave
unallocated?
3381 [21:42:14] <wsky> 21:11:38 < wsky> sometimes it just
freezes the screen and all hid but the hdd led still blinks from
time to time
3382 [21:42:17] <wsky> 21:12:10 < wsky> but the system
refuses to get dumped into swap and the sleep led wont blink neither
3383 [21:43:06] <wsky> jelly: it usually happens after the os ran
for few hours, whenever i try hibernating right after it boots it
works flawlessly
3384 [21:43:06] <Devastator> jmcnaught for the former, yes, for
the latter partitions inside the same LVM VG
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3386 [21:43:25] <jelly> Devastator: dunno, all the space
you're not planning to use right away in the first 6-12 months?
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3390 [21:44:00] <jelly> wsky: sorry, too complex to read right now
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3392 [21:44:35] <jmcnaught> wsky: in general, find clues in the
logs at the time of the attempted hibernation
3393 [21:44:59] <wsky> the only thing i get in /var/log/debug when
it fails is
3394 [21:45:01] * jelly chooses to deal with easy or simple questions
only when tired
3395 [21:45:27] <wsky> PM: Hibernation mode set to
'platform'
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3397 [21:45:40] <wsky> and then it goes silent, no more messages
untill next boot
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3399 [21:46:16] <wsky> i will try to use the kernel's
hibernation testing functionality
3400 [21:46:33] <wsky> well that's what i'm using atm
but the tests pass flawlessly
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3402 [21:46:51] <jelly> Devastator: may as well learn to call
those slices inside the VG logical volumes, LVs not partitions.
Helps distinguish them from using an actual partition as a LVM PV
3403 [21:47:22] <Devastator> jelly I see, this is my first time
with LVM, I did this because I want to use KVM and it was suggested
that I create LVM so I could manage the VMs separately, or, as I
consider, "the right way"
3404 [21:48:30] <jelly> Devastator: seems sensible, but if you
leave space unallocated you'll be able to try out giving whole
LVs as raw disks to kvm
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3412 [21:49:39] <jelly> instead of, or in addition to, giving each
VM an image files on the (/) filesystem
3413 [21:49:40] <Devastator> jelly interesting, let me start over,
would you consider suggesting a partition scheme when I open the
partitioner?
3414 [21:49:49] <jmcnaught> Devastator: simply using image files
in /var/lib/libvirt/images is also a "right way". "My
way" is i have a 250GB SSD and a 500GB HDD. The SSD is
partitioned into two LVM PVs. I have a VG using one of the
SSD's PVs for the host OS. I have a second VG composed of the
second SSD PV and the HDD for libvirt
3415 [21:50:20] <jelly> Devastator: this setup was mostly optimal,
apart from leaving some space in the VG unused
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3417 [21:51:13] <Devastator> let me get this straight: LVM PV =
Partition Volume, LVM VG = Volume Group, LVM LV = Logical Volume,
correct?
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3419 [21:51:29] <greycat> PV = "physical volume", an
actual disk.
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3422 [21:51:50] <greycat> VG = "volume group", a group
of PVs that act as a virtual disk
3423 [21:52:45] <jmcnaught> wsky: i find journalctl quite useful
with persistent journal enabled (see
/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian). You can use a command like
"journalctl --boot=-1 --lines=20" to see the last 20 lines
of the previous boot
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3427 [21:53:40] <jelly> (that group may be composed of a mere
single PV)
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3431 [21:54:00] <user> hi I'm new to debian
3432 [21:54:08] <jmcnaught> Devastator: that RHEL LVM manual i
linked to earlier has a decent overview of the concepts with
pictures to illustrate PVs, VGs, LVs etc.
3433 [21:54:09] <user> how do I modify the keyboard layout in the
login manager?
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3440 [21:56:04] <jmcnaught> user: "dpkg-reconfigure
keyboard-configuration" should do it
3441 [21:56:51] <Devastator> ok, partitioner is open, I have it
like this: 255MB for /boot, 499GB for lvm, so maybe I can do it like
this: 100GB for /home, 8.6GB for swap, 100GB for / and the rest
unallocated, all in the same VG, makes sense?
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3443 [21:57:08] <user> thanks jmcnaught
3444 [21:57:14] <user> i'll try it
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3449 [21:58:45] <user> command not found?
3450 [21:58:52] <user> do I have to sudo?
3451 [21:58:56] <greycat> yes
3452 [21:59:07] <greycat> (or, since sudo may not be installed,
you might have to su)
3453 [21:59:12] <jmcnaught> Devastator: sounds pretty reasonable.
Keep in mind when you add the LVM VG as a storage pool to libvirt,
users in the libvirt group (that have access to libvirt) will be
able to do things like delete LVs in that VG. It is because I
didn't want my root, swap, home LVs to be visible in the
libvirt storage pool that I use a separate VG for libvirt
3454 [21:59:31] <user> I've installed it, so it's fine
:) greycat
3455 [21:59:37] <jelly> Devastator: yes, except I'd make home
even smaller since it's trivial to grow an ext3/ext4 on lv
online while it's not trivial to shrink it.
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3459 [22:00:22] <Devastator> jelly 60GB maybe?
3460 [22:00:32] <Devastator> jmcnaught interesting!
3461 [22:00:34] <jelly> yeah
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3464 [22:01:51] <Devastator> jmcnaught so one VG is /, swap and
/home, the other is /var/lib/libvirt/images?
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3466 [22:02:44] <jmcnaught> Devastator: close. One VG is /, swap,
/home. The other is a bunch of LVs one for each virtual machine
3467 [22:03:16] <wsky> jmcnaught: so i've just filled 80% of
memory with stress and it seems to fail to hibernate whenever the
memory usage is high
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3471 [22:03:54] <jmcnaught> wsky: perhaps your swap is not large
enough?
3472 [22:04:01] <wsky> it is
3473 [22:04:09] <wsky> it is 10G when my memory is 8
3474 [22:04:21] <markybob> wsky: it has to be at least 2x ram
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3476 [22:04:33] <wsky> no it has to be not
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3478 [22:04:49] <jelly> wsky: and none of that particular swap
space is in use before the hibernation attempt?
3479 [22:04:51] <markybob> for hibernation to be reliable it sure
does
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3481 [22:05:10] <wsky> jelly: correct
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3483 [22:05:23] <Omilun_> hello . i am using a thinkpad laptop
(t430s) . it has some gadget key on keyboard and top of keyboard .
but thay are not useable on debian . how can i use all of these?
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3486 [22:05:35] <wsky> might be worth mentioning that i've
re-formated the swap lvm partition
3487 [22:05:44] <wsky> so the uuid is different
3488 [22:05:56] <Devastator> jmcnaught interesting, if I'm
getting it I can create a VG for host with 100GB for /, 8.6GB for
swap, 60GB for /home and another VG with unallocated space where I
can set as storage pool so I can make LVs for each VM, is that it?
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3490 [22:06:56] <jelly> the tux-on-ice out of tree implementation
used to have a lot saner swap size requirements, 50% extra was not
unusual for the in-kernel one back around 2009-ish whan I last cared
about hibernation
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3493 [22:07:24] <jelly> maybe it's 100% extra these days
3494 [22:07:27] <gcr2> hy. i use debian 8 as my home server. i
want to install emacs but it purpose me to download about 240Mb of
dependencies. how i can install "minimal" emacs package?
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3496 [22:07:40] <jmcnaught> Devastator: yes that's it.
libvirt has different storage pool types. the default one it creates
is of the type "dir" and it works just find with image
files. Instead of image files I am using a storage pool of type
"logical" (aka LVM), where each virtual disk is an LV
instead of an image file.
3497 [22:07:54] <jmcnaught> s/find/fine/
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3502 [22:09:01] <dom7th> q/quit
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3504 [22:09:07] <Devastator> jmcnaught nice! that's how
I'm gonna setup then :)
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3512 [22:11:19] <user> As a newbie, what's the best way to go
about customising my debian desktop?
3513 [22:11:23] <user> cursor/theming etc
3514 [22:11:29] <jmcnaught> Devastator: i still recommend checking
out that RHEL LVM guide i linked to earlier for overall LVM
knowledge. When/if you add more disks to the computer you can do
nifty stuff like caching with SSD, mirrored or striped volumes. But
for now, two separate VGs (one for host, one for libvirt guests) is
a good start
3515 [22:11:30] <user> without messing up the systme too much
3516 [22:11:37] <user> system*
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3518 [22:12:03] <user> and can someone recommend another irc
client, chatzilla looks aweful
3519 [22:12:11] <user> awful*
3520 [22:12:17] <user> aweful would be completely different lol
3521 [22:12:28] <user> probably a step above awesome
3522 [22:12:49] <Omilun_> hello . i am using a thinkpad laptop
(t430s) . it has some gadget key on keyboard and top of keyboard .
but thay are not useable on debian . how can i use all of these?
3523 [22:13:03] <jmcnaught> user: irssi is great. hexchat is a
popular gui client. smuxi and quassel are interesting but i
haven't used them
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3528 [22:14:03] <jmcnaught> Omilun_: which desktop environment or
window manager are you using? in my experience GNOME setups up all
the keys on my thinkpad automatically, but i3 required some manual
setup. others are probably somewhere in between
3529 [22:14:26] <user> jmcnaught: thanks I'll try irssi
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3534 [22:15:56] <Omilun_> jmcnaught: aha ... i am using i3wm
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3536 [22:16:03] <jelly> Omilun_: use "xev" to verify
those keys all generate distinct events, first
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3540 [22:16:45] <Omilun_> jelly: is this an app to fix my problem?
3541 [22:17:09] <jelly> Omilun_: no. It's an app to show
input device events, like keypresses.
3542 [22:17:26] <greycat> And by "app", we mean
"program".
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3546 [22:18:22] <Omilun_> jelly: debian repository dose not have
it
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3548 [22:18:31] <jmcnaught> Omilun_: once you do what jelly
suggested you'll need to edit ~/.i3/config with a
"bindsym" line for each shortcut. Chances are someone has
put their i3 config with thinkpad shortcut keys on github that you
could use as an example
3549 [22:18:48] <greycat> christ...
3550 [22:18:57] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ dpkg -S bin/xev
3551 [22:18:58] <greycat> x11-utils: /usr/bin/xev
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3553 [22:19:02] <jelly> Omilun_: it does, in the x11-utils package
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3555 [22:19:30] <greycat> It's not an "app".
It's a common-as-dirt command line program that opens an X11
window and writes -- nay, SPEWS -- lines of text to stdout.
3556 [22:19:45] <jelly> greycat: the best way to get an answer is,
of course, to state something can't be done
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3558 [22:20:06] <greycat> You can't just type "xev"
at a bash prompt!@!
3559 [22:20:32] <jelly> or walk into Mordor, as it may
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3562 [22:21:28] <jelly> I guess a seriously cut down installation
of Xorg may not bring x11-utils for some reason
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3564 [22:22:25] <user_> yay! I'm using irssi now
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3571 [22:23:36] <jelly> volume and mute keys on this thinkpad usb
keyboard (X220/T520 style) worked "out of the box" on one
jessie kde installation, but failed on another... both have
XKBMODEL="thinkpadz60" in /etc/default/keyboard
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3576 [22:25:49] <ewew> Does anyone know why its not working ?
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3578 [22:25:56] <jelly> xev showed XF86AudioMute,
XF86AudioLowerVolume, XF86AudioRaiseVolume, etc. on both systems, so
for me the issue was somewhere in upper layers of userspace
3579 [22:26:10] <Omilun_> jelly: sory i cant understand you ... do
you have any resource to learn it?
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3584 [22:26:47] <greycat> Type 'xev' in a terminal in
your X session. It opens a new window. Move that window so it does
not overlap the terminal in which you ran xev. Move the mouse
pointer into the new window. Press a key and release it. Look at the
terminal window.
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3586 [22:27:24] <Omilun_> greycat: are you spiking with me?
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3588 [22:27:29] <greycat> *plonk*
3589 [22:27:34] <jelly> Omilun_: yes he is.
3590 [22:27:35] <greycat> Not any more.
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3592 [22:27:54] <jelly> was*
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3601 [22:30:17] <Somelauw> What is the recommended way to enable
SSD caching on an up to date Debian Jessie?
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3603 [22:30:33] <markybob> Omilun_: are you an arabic speaker?
3604 [22:31:26] <jmcnaught> Omilun_: this is an article i referred
to when i was playing with i3:
replaced-url
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3608 [22:32:49] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: what i recommend is LVM (see
"man lvmcache"), but if you're adventurous
bcache-tools is in jessie-backports
3609 [22:32:56] <Omilun_> greycat: thx man i got it .
3610 [22:33:08] <Omilun_> jmcnaught: aha . thx
3611 [22:33:27] <Omilun_> markybob: no.
3612 [22:33:31] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: Does adventurous mean
Russian-roulette with my data?
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3615 [22:33:51] <Somelauw> I do make back-ups, but still find it
an annoyance having to reinstall everything and such
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3617 [22:34:15] <edg> hi, hq
3618 [22:34:35] <jmcnaught> Somelauw: maybe. the stuff in
backports isn't as tested. i'm quite happy with lvmcache
3619 [22:35:09] <edg> question , i have bought an Asus F302L ,
apparently with an elantech touchpad, which fails after a
suspend/resume
3620 [22:35:24] <edg> there's only debian on the machine
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3623 [22:35:48] <edg> i found a patch (
replaced-url
3624 [22:36:07] <edg> of course i tried to google patching
3625 [22:36:39] <edg> but "patch -p1 < patchfile"
fails
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3627 [22:36:55] <greycat> well, you would have to have the source
tree to apply the patch *to*
3628 [22:37:14] <edg> well I think i'm not really getting the
source tree concept
3629 [22:37:29] <Omilun_> jelly: thx man . i am fixing all of
these . bye
3630 [22:37:35] <greycat> When it says "linux44" in your
URL, I'm guessing this means it's a patch against a Linux
4.4.x kernel.
3631 [22:37:35] <edg> where should I look it up?
3632 [22:37:35] <markybob> egos: i have a the same issue. when
that happens i ctrl+alt+f2 and then alt+f7 and it comes back. try
that maybe? patching the kernel sounds outside your wheelhouse
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3635 [22:37:43] <edg> aha
3636 [22:37:58] <greycat> Jessie doesn't come with a Linux
4.4.x kernel.
3637 [22:38:10] <edg> ok )
3638 [22:38:19] <greycat> ,kernels
3639 [22:38:20] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.6.0-rc5-686 (4.6~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-2-686-pae
(4.5.3-2); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports:
4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
3640 [22:38:46] <greycat> Jessie has a 3.16.x kernel, but
jessie-backports has a 4.5.x kernel available, if you think that
might help more than it breaks.
3641 [22:38:51] <edg> i have the jessie one (3.16.0-4-amd64)
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3643 [22:39:16] <edg> not really keen to mess too much with the
kernel, just need the trackpad fixed :)
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3645 [22:39:45] <edg> but thanks judd, that's usefull stuff
3646 [22:39:59] <markybob> yes, thanks judd
3647 [22:40:04] <klow> Any LDAP wizards around? Or not even wizard
just someone who knows basic OpenLDAP / phpldapadmin . I will pay
you to help me right now. Just need to get a few apps authenticating
aginst an LDAP directory with a few users
3648 [22:40:34] <Somelauw> jmcnaught: I think I'll go with
lvmcache, as settup this up seems complicated enough, if not more.
3649 [22:40:40] <jmcnaught> edg: instead of patching the kernel
you can probably configure the system to unload the module for your
trackpad before suspend, then load it again on resume
3650 [22:41:14] <edg> jmcnaught: well i've been working on
this all day
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3653 [22:41:34] <edg> and tried some scripts with modprobe -R
psmouse and stuf
3654 [22:41:43] <edg> but no luck
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3660 [22:43:46] <edg> this is the psmouse module : psmouse 99249 0
3661 [22:43:58] <edg> does that say anything to you?
3662 [22:44:10] <greycat> Says it's loaded.
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3664 [22:44:48] <edg> so it just dissappears when it's
unloaded?
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3666 [22:44:57] <greycat> The 0 also implies that no other modules
are depending on it, so it might be easily removable, but I've
found that to be a lie some of the time.
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3668 [22:45:08] <edg> ok
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3672 [22:45:25] <edg> i'll trie to unload see if the trackpad
freezez
3673 [22:45:26] <jmcnaught> edg:
replaced-url
3674 [22:45:37] <futex> anyone know how to create a root user +
password in one command line ?
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3676 [22:45:56] <greycat> futex: Why?
3677 [22:45:58] <markybob> create a root user
3678 [22:46:03] <greycat> Whose system is he cracking...
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3680 [22:46:27] <futex> need to automate
3681 [22:46:30] <edg> he jmcnaught, i'll try that!
3682 [22:47:02] <futex> not for cracking..
3683 [22:47:23] <jmcnaught> edg: the idea with this is it will
remove the module when going to sleep, and load it during resume. i
modified a service unit i use to pause/resume libvirt VMs when i
suspend
3684 [22:47:32] <user_> what other channels are good for a linux
newbie?
3685 [22:47:44] <user_> or even a non-techie trying to be a better
techie
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3688 [22:48:17] <edg> ok, cool :) thanks for the info
3689 [22:48:22] <edg> will test now ;)
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3691 [22:49:03] <edg> bad luk
3692 [22:49:06] <edg> luck
3693 [22:49:09] <edg> mouse freezed
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3696 [22:49:58] <edg> could it be the psmouse mod is not
controlling the trackpad?
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3699 [22:50:13] <jmcnaught> edg: does using "modprobe -r
psmouse && modprobe psmouse" manually after a resume
unfreeze the mouse?
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3702 [22:50:52] <edg> jmcnaught: nope it doesn't
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3706 [22:51:36] <jmcnaught> futex: adduser has an
--add_extra_groups option you could use to add a new user to sudo
group. If you are doing automation, the software configuration
management tool you are using should be able to handle this with its
user module/resource
3707 [22:52:30] <futex> jmcnaught: ok
3708 [22:52:31] <markybob> that's terrifying. you need so
many sudo users you need to automate the creation process
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3711 [22:52:56] <futex> it's just for bullshit VM
3712 [22:52:59] <jmcnaught> edg: ahh.. well if it's actually
a different kernel module that systemd unit could still be useful
(change the module used).
3713 [22:53:00] <futex> :)
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3716 [22:53:37] <markybob> that doesn't make any more sense
3717 [22:53:47] <jmcnaught> futex: what are you using to automate
by the way?
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3719 [22:53:55] <futex> shell script
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3721 [22:54:26] <jmcnaught> futex: you should consider something
like ansible or puppet for this type of work
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3730 [22:56:20] <edg> jmcnaught: will leave the script for now,
any suggestions on how to track down the right module?
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3732 [22:56:51] <futex> ok
3733 [22:57:11] <kstenger> Hello, I need to install some packages
on a squeeze system without upgrading to a newer version of debian.
Since it's already out of LTS support I know I should make some
changes on the sources.list file. But I'd like to know if there
is some more thorough guide on how to do this transition. What to do
and what not to do afterwards, etc. Thanks
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3735 [22:57:27] <jmcnaught> edg: i would at least disable the
service unit "systemctl disable psmouse-sleep.service" and
also put some comments in it explaining what it's for so you
remember later
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3738 [22:58:21] <markybob> !tell kstenger about squeeze
sources.list
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3741 [22:59:01] <edg> jmcnaught: done!
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3746 [22:59:59] <kstenger> Thank you markybob, I'll check it
out!
3747 [23:00:05] <jmcnaught> edg: you can look for clues after a
resume with a command like "journalctl --since -5min".
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3752 [23:00:55] <psylence> Alright, quick question. This is making
me feel dumb.
3753 [23:01:05] <psylence> ncmpcpp isn't recognizing music
files.
3754 [23:01:19] <psylence> mpd.conf and ncmpcpp.conf have matching
music directory names
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3756 [23:01:28] <psylence> the music directory has global
read/write permissions
3757 [23:01:33] <psylence> I ran ncmpcpp update
3758 [23:01:37] <psylence> Yet it doesn't work.
3759 [23:01:39] <psylence> Why?
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3772 [23:05:39] <edg> jmcnaught: ok thanks!
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3776 [23:06:20] <jmcnaught> edg: heh, i noticed a typo in my
replaced-url
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3786 [23:10:18] <edg> jmcnaught: hehe
3787 [23:10:24] <edg> jmcnaught: will test again
3788 [23:10:41] <kstenger> From "about squeeze
sources.list" What does it mean "Also see <deb-src>
<contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts>
<squeeze-updates>" ? The reference is not clear to me
3789 [23:12:04] <user_> echo hi
3790 [23:12:08] <user_> oops
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3792 [23:13:09] <zykotick9> kstenger: all the stuff <in
these> are other factoids, you can "/msg dpkg deb-src"
for example...
3793 [23:13:33] <kstenger> ah, thanks zykotick9
3794 [23:13:45] <zykotick9> kstenger: sidenote... squeeze is kinda
"finished" at this point...
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3798 [23:15:50] <user_> what command can I use to check packages?
3799 [23:15:53] <user_> general info
3800 [23:16:07] <user_> something that I haven't installed
yet
3801 [23:16:23] <amcorreia> what kind of check?
3802 [23:16:33] <markybob> user_: apt-cache show foo if you know
the package name
3803 [23:16:43] <markybob> user_: apt-cache search foo to search
for package name
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3807 [23:17:04] <user_> ok i'll give that a go!
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3809 [23:17:29] <kstenger> zykotick9: I imagine! Hhowever at this
point I'm unable to make a bigger upgrade of this particular
system, but I do need some basic stuff installed (as mercurial) and
I need to do it without breaking anything in the process (it's
a production server). That's why I came here for advice. I
appreciate all possible help, as I find a bit cryptic what I have so
far.
3810 [23:17:36] <zykotick9> user_: <sidenote> the
"new-school" version would be "apt show foo"
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3814 [23:18:11] <markybob> i find it hard to suggest apt until it
gets basic shit like clean :P i don't know how that got left
out
3815 [23:18:25] <zykotick9> kstenger: i'll wish you
"good luck" with trying to get updated packages on squeeze
<- you'll need it.
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3817 [23:18:33] <markybob> the rest of it i like
3818 [23:19:02] <psylence> Hey. So could anyone help me with
mpd+ncmpcpp not showing any songs? I'm 99.9% sure everything is
configured correctly.
3819 [23:19:04] <zykotick9> markybob: i'll agree clean is
MIA???
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3821 [23:19:15] <markybob> zykotick9: yes
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3823 [23:19:28] <zykotick9> psylence: start with the mpd settings!
that's where the path to songs is...
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3825 [23:19:45] <kstenger> zykotick9: you are taking my hopes
away... :-(
3826 [23:19:45] <psylence> zykotick9: yes. it's the same
music_Directory as for ncmpcpp
3827 [23:19:58] <psylence> And that directory is currently global
read/write
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3829 [23:20:14] <zykotick9> psylence: music_directory is ONLY for
certain features (editing tags) in ncmpcpp
3830 [23:20:26] <psylence> zykotick9: but they have to match,
right?
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3836 [23:20:48] <zykotick9> psylence: did you restart mpd, after
putting the path in? then update from ncmpcpp (u key i believe)
3837 [23:20:49] <jmcnaught> kstenger: if it is a production server
that is all the more reason to upgrade to wheezy to continue getting
security upgrades. wheezy is LTS too now.
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3839 [23:20:59] <psylence> zykotick9: yes and yes.
3840 [23:21:09] <psylence> I also tried running mpd in verbose
mode, no errors.
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3842 [23:23:04] <psylence> And ncmpcpp says connected to
localhost. I can run the update command, just nothing shows up.
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3845 [23:23:56] <edg> jmcnaught: newsflash, when i use hibernate
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3847 [23:24:05] <edg> trackpad comes to life again
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3849 [23:24:31] <jmcnaught> edg: progress! does suspend/resume
work now too?
3850 [23:24:44] <edg> nope
3851 [23:24:47] <edg> that doesnt :)
3852 [23:25:30] <kstenger> so for what jmcnaught says, I
understand it would be more reasonable to upgrade. But I need more
help about how to do it in order to not break anything in the
process... I already did break one debian before doing something
similar.
3853 [23:25:46] <wsky> jmcnaught: im restoring a backup from
befite ive reformated the swap
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3855 [23:25:54] <wsky> before
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3857 [23:26:20] <wsky> it was working before that
3858 [23:27:12] <jmcnaught> kstenger: if you follow the
instructions in the release notes upgrading Debian is usually a
smooth process
3859 [23:27:32] <markybob> kstenger: you need to read the release
notes. in general you want to /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy and then
/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie and be careful with the jessie one
because that's known to fuck up apache (in the notes)
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3861 [23:28:01] <jmcnaught> edg: look for more clues with
"journalctl --since -2min" immediately after a
suspend/resume
3862 [23:28:43] <kstenger> ok, thank you guys, I'll have some
reading to do!
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3870 [23:34:17] <kingsley> I'm having a friendly competition
with a friend to see who can find the least expensive 32 GB thumb
drive.
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3873 [23:34:35] <kingsley> So far, he's winning with $3.99
from Amazon.
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3876 [23:34:50] <psylence> kingsley: aliexpress.com?
3877 [23:35:36] <edg> jmcnaught: hmm, could this be something ? :
ahci 0000:00:1f.2: port does not support device sleep
3878 [23:35:42] <user_> anyone know how I can set up japanese
input?
3879 [23:35:50] * user_ is a new debian user
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3884 [23:36:58] <jmcnaught> edg: definitely. i wonder if simply
adding a "sleep 1" somewhere would help
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3898 [23:40:27] <edg> jmcnaught: allright
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3908 [23:44:00] <kingsley> psylence: aliexpress.com seemed like a
reasonable suggestion. I just search. So far, my friend's
record low of $3.99 for a 32 GB thumb drive remains unbeaten.
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3910 [23:44:15] <kingsley> Ha ha ha!
3911 [23:44:22] <kingsley> But the joke's on him!
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3913 [23:44:53] <kingsley> I plan to dumpster dive at an
electronic recycler!
3914 [23:45:00] <kingsley> Bwa ha ha!
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3917 [23:45:50] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell kingsley about off-topic
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3921 [23:48:24] <jmcnaught> kingsley: please don't private
message me
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3924 [23:50:03] <symm-> hi, is this a good place to ask about
Bunsenlabs?
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3927 [23:51:00] <jmcnaught> symm-: no this channel only supports
Debian, not derivatives based on Debian. There is probably a
Bunsenlabs channel out there somewhere
3928 [23:51:15] <symm-> ah, ok
3929 [23:51:54] <symm-> thanks jmcnaught
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3932 [23:53:28] <kingsley> user_: If you haven't figured it
out already, I humbly suggest searching Google's indices for
something like ... "input method" debian "set
up" | configure | install
3933 [23:53:49] <user_> kingsley: figured it out :) thanks!
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3946 [23:59:06] <user_> how do I customise my mouse cursor?
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