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• 51[00:20:06] <i5513> hello, on python cmdline space is not working here (debian sid), I have to use TAB. is it the ok behaviour ?
• 52[00:20:44] <i5513> eg: $ python => import[space does not nothing]sys
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• 116[00:59:39] <HeXiLeD> does anyone know if the default net install causes the computer to suspend after X amount of time. (remote setup computer issue). i lose connection after some time to this remote boox until it is manually rebooted. Thought about acpi=off at boot/kernel. Any feedback ?
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• 119[01:00:58] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: he remote machine runs a DE?
• 120[01:01:01] <teraflops> the*
• 121[01:01:12] <HeXiLeD> debian 8
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• 124[01:01:34] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: DE as in gnome, xfce …
• 125[01:01:44] <HeXiLeD> no. fluxbox+slim
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• 127[01:02:16] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: no idea about those ones but check if they have some suspend option enabled
• 128[01:02:33] <HeXiLeD> it is a fresh new install
• 129[01:02:38] <teraflops> yeah and?
• 130[01:02:53] <HeXiLeD> i did it. i did not enable any
• 131[01:03:30] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: if you install no xorg at all I'm pretty sure the machine will not suspend by default
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• 135[01:04:42] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: so it looks like DE/WM/DM related
• 136[01:04:45] <HeXiLeD> makes sense. xorg was installed. So, lets say acpi=off on the kernel boot will prevent any possible suspend ? But i also wonder if will cause any issues to other things
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• 138[01:05:58] <awal1> HeXiled: fluxbox, or any other WM doesn't handle power stuff at all
• 139[01:06:30] <HeXiLeD> as i thought (gentoo i am very familar with) jusnt wanted to know about debian
• 140[01:07:11] <teraflops> what about slim?
• 141[01:07:17] <awal1> I mean no suspend, hibernate... without installing an extra pkg such as xfce-power-manager and run it under openbox
• 142[01:07:35] <awal1> I guess you have maube to look at systemd
• 143[01:07:43] <awal1> maybe *
• 144[01:08:21] <awal1> as I know, systemd doesn't do that anyway
• 145[01:08:37] <HeXiLeD> not very familar with systemd (still an openrc user).
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• 147[01:08:51] <HeXiLeD> any feedback about this ?replaced-url
• 148[01:08:57] <awal1> HeXiled: you're really talking about suspend? or screen blanking?
• 149[01:09:18] <HeXiLeD> suspend up to the point that network goes to sleep.
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• 152[01:10:34] <awal1> doesn't matter yet but "run it under fluxbox" , I meant ^
• 153[01:10:43] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: what about the logs?
• 154[01:11:04] <HeXiLeD> lost access have to wait until next manual reboot
• 155[01:11:09] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: also replaced-url
• 156[01:11:25] <HeXiLeD> i even added wake on lan (magic packet)
• 157[01:11:26] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: look at "Disable suspend and hibernation"
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• 160[01:13:37] <awal1> teraflops: sleep, hibernate...targets relays on X power manager pkg or not?
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• 163[01:14:46] <teraflops> nope afaik
• 164[01:15:36] <teraflops> awal1: but many DEs has powersave options
• 165[01:15:41] <awal1> I have never seen a machine, even a remote one, suspended, hibernated..., by systemd itself when running a simple WM if no power manager pkg is installed
• 166[01:15:54] <awal1> teraflops: DE yes, but no WM
• 167[01:16:07] <teraflops> yeah but he's using DM too
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• 170[01:16:31] <teraflops> slim has powersave options
• 171[01:16:34] <teraflops> iirc
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• 173[01:16:48] <awal1> well, I only use WDM, maybe slim is related yeah
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• 175[01:17:20] <awal1> slim is really obsolete since a while
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• 180[01:18:55] <teraflops> yeah
• 181[01:19:14] <teraflops> hmm
• 182[01:19:53] <awal1> HeXiled: you may want to try "wdm", it still well maintained under debian and it's very lightweight
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• 184[01:19:55] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: the machine is suspended when you go there?
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• 187[01:20:29] <teraflops> anyway taking a look at the logs should help
• 188[01:20:42] <awal1> or just use startx it you're into minimums :P
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• 191[01:21:02] <teraflops> awal1: looks like it's a remote system
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• 194[01:21:17] <awal1> right
• 195[01:21:45] <HeXiLeD> not suspended when i go there. i just lose connection to it and its gone from the network. So i assume it can be suspended or hibernating. Will have to ask to someone to check the bios
• 196[01:21:51] <awal1> sddm is a great DM too
• 197[01:22:07] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: uhg
• 198[01:22:47] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: but then why is not suspended when you go there? :S
• 199[01:22:49] <awal1> but one have to chose a specific theme durring the install of sddm for avoid breeze theme and dozens of kde stuff
• 200[01:23:24] <HeXiLeD> teraflops: just right after manual reboot or boot on alarm
• 201[01:23:39] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: log, also take a look at dmesg for suspect information about the network interface
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• 203[01:24:05] <HeXiLeD> will add acpi=off to the kernel
• 204[01:24:18] <HeXiLeD> no point having acpi on there
• 205[01:25:49] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: if you mask those targets the machine will not suspend or hibernate, anyway it looks like _perhaps_ is not what you think it is
• 206[01:26:11] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: wireless or wired network?
• 207[01:26:15] <HeXiLeD> both
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• 209[01:26:36] <HeXiLeD> wired as fallback (just in case)
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• 211[01:26:59] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: so tried using the wired one? wifi sucks you know
• 212[01:27:16] <HeXiLeD> the gateway dhcp gets both interfaces. i use the wired
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• 215[01:27:44] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: can be a lot of things, how do you acces the machine? ip addr? dns?
• 216[01:27:53] <HeXiLeD> i just lose connection after X amount off time
• 217[01:27:56] <HeXiLeD> ssh
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• 219[01:28:04] <teraflops> lan, wan?
• 220[01:28:13] <HeXiLeD> WAN then LAN
• 221[01:28:28] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: I suggest taking a look at the logs
• 222[01:28:32] <HeXiLeD> yah
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• 224[01:28:38] <teraflops> journalctl, dmesg
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• 228[01:29:22] <teraflops> HeXiLeD: wan? dns name or ip addr?
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• 230[01:29:50] <teraflops> if you have a dynamic ip it may change, not that much but ho knows
• 231[01:29:51] <HeXiLeD> both. i can get access all the up to the router where the computer is wired
• 232[01:30:05] <HeXiLeD> i am actually in the lan there all the time
• 233[01:30:42] <HeXiLeD> there is a good chance that it may be bios acpi settings
• 234[01:30:51] <teraflops> hmm
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• 347[02:31:15] <mrproper> On my Debian install, I’m having problems with VHosts in Apache2. apachectl -S isn’t showing more than one VHost, despite there being 7 in my /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ directory.
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• 351[02:34:26] <chomwitt1> is there a debug.mirror for stable ?
• 352[02:34:53] <ws2k3> can i install gcc-5-base in debian 7?
• 353[02:35:02] <mutante> mrproper: do you have "NameVirtualHost *:80" (and for :443) somewhere in config
• 354[02:35:23] <mrproper> mutante: I do. I disabled that recently.
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• 359[02:36:06] <mutante> mrproper: so enabled or disabled? dont you need that
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• 362[02:36:17] <mrproper> mutante: Disabled
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• 365[02:36:26] <mutante> mrproper: i guess that explains the problem
• 366[02:36:34] <mrproper> Oh?
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• 370[02:38:02] <mutante> mrproper: you just have a single IP right?
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• 373[02:38:21] <mrproper> Correct.
• 374[02:38:29] <mrproper> It’s an internal personal server, nothign fancy.
• 375[02:38:30] <mutante> without enabling name-based virtual hosts i dont think you can expect to have multiple hosts on a single IP
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• 377[02:38:43] <mutante> that's the whole point of NameVirtualHost
• 378[02:38:48] <mrproper> mutante: I thought NameVirtualHost went away in 2.2
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• 380[02:39:52] <mutante> mrproper: hmm, seems right but since 2.3.11
• 381[02:40:06] <mrproper> Okay could be. Either way, I was getting errors about that line.
• 382[02:40:12] <mrproper> AH00548: NameVirtualHost has no effect and will be removed in the next release /etc/apache2/ports.conf:8
• 383[02:40:40] <mrproper> mutante: And the Apache wiki examples lack that line. replaced-url
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• 387[02:40:55] <mutante> ok, "any time an IP address and port combination is used in multiple virtual hosts, name-based virtual hosting is automatically enabled for that address."
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• 389[02:41:08] <mutante> do you use IP/port combo in your virtual hosts ?
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• 393[02:41:53] <mrproper> <VirtualHost *:80>
• 394[02:42:27] <mutante> mrproper: maybe you just have to restart it ? (easy things first)
• 395[02:42:36] <mutante> and i mean restart not graceful
• 396[02:42:46] <mutante> to add new virtual hosts
• 397[02:42:59] <mrproper> I already did some /etc/init.d/apache2 restart commands
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• 401[02:44:59] <mutante> mrproper: in output of "apachectl -S" really no lines like "port 80 namevhost ..." ?
• 402[02:45:16] <mrproper> mutante: replaced-url
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• 406[02:45:49] <mutante> mrproper: it says that page has been removed
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• 408[02:46:42] <mrproper> mutante: Good call. replaced-url
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• 416[02:50:00] <mutante> mrproper: hmmm. strange. i would: double-check your sites are in sites-enabled and symlinks to sites-available .. then i would try removing that 000-default.conf just to see what happens .. and finally i'd try re-adding NameVirtualHost just to see if it changes despite what the docs say.. uhm.. best i can guess from remote
• 417[02:50:14] <mrproper> It’s actual files. However, my friend is saying permissions maybe wrong.
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• 420[02:50:37] <mutante> mrproper: move the files to sites-available , then just link to them
• 421[02:50:45] <mutante> it's the "proper" way :)
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• 423[02:51:03] <mutante> permissions sounds like a good guess
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• 426[02:52:46] <mrproper> mutante: replaced-url
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• 428[02:54:40] <mutante> mrproper: hah, is it really the missing .conf in filename ?
• 429[02:55:06] <mutante> i am surprised since i use 2.4 and dont remember changing that part
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• 431[02:55:25] <mrproper> I renamed it, restart apache, and it works.
• 432[02:56:03] <mutante> the "Require all granted" part i am familiar with, but that would not get us this effect of not seeing virtual hosts
• 433[02:56:08] <mutante> mrproper: interesting :) ok!
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• 435[02:56:34] <mrproper> I didn’t even add REquire all granted to all the vhosts either.
• 436[02:56:34] <mutante> oh, they do have .conf names in my case, yea, right
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• 438[02:57:23] <mutante> you might get away without the "Require granted" for now
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• 440[02:57:34] <mutante> if you have a module loaded that is for compat with old 2.2 syntax
• 441[02:57:54] <mutante> and having that compat module loaded might be default for now (in jessie)
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• 443[02:59:02] <mrproper> Good point. May change.
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• 447[02:59:33] <mrproper> Anyways, thanks for your help.
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• 449[02:59:37] <mutante> mrproper: it's called "access_compat" and in mods-enabled
• 450[02:59:43] <coreyhuinker> if i wanted to build the postgresql .deb packages from source the same way debian does, where would i find that script?
• 451[02:59:54] <coreyhuinker> basically, i want to do a one-off "nightly" build
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• 458[03:01:48] <mutante> i think you would start with "apt-get source postgresql" , then apt-get install build-dep.. change stuff and then "debuild -us -uc"
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• 463[03:03:10] <coreyhuinker> mutante: but how do i know what stuff debian changes when they package it up?
• 464[03:03:48] <mutante> coreyhuinker: most important part to change when making a new version is the "changes" file
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• 469[03:04:31] <coreyhuinker> mutante: does the debian buildfarm script those changes or are maintainers manually running this?
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• 476[03:06:32] <mutante> coreyhuinker: i dont know, not a maintainer, but i think it's something in between, scripted but also manual changes
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• 485[03:10:43] <coreyhuinker> mutante: yeah, i was afraid of that. I know how to build *a* deb package, but wanted to build *the* deb package to cut down on deployment variables
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• 489[03:12:34] <somiaj> coreyhuinker: what sort of changes are you looking for? In general all this info is inside the debian/
• 490[03:12:41] <mutante> coreyhuinker: i see "
• 491[03:12:41] <mutante> make the .changes file, using dpkg-genchanges
• 492[03:13:09] <mutante> from replaced-url
• 493[03:13:11] <somiaj> but I think coreyhuinker is wanting uupdate
• 494[03:13:13] <somiaj> !uupdate
• 495[03:13:13] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd replaced-url
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• 498[03:13:56] <somiaj> that is about the best automatic way to take a current debian package and convert it to the newest upstream source. You could also get ahold of the debian/ dir and edit as needed.
• 499[03:13:59] <coreyhuinker> somiaj: basically, i want "if postgres 10 were released today, this would be the package", with the same directory layout choices that debian makes
• 500[03:14:12] <somiaj> coreyhuinker: another option is just build a local package and not use all the extra debian modifications/policy/changes
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• 502[03:14:48] <somiaj> coreyhuinker: uupdate on the curret postgres debian source is the way to take the current package and change the source. Depending on the source this will require tweaking
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• 505[03:15:57] <coreyhuinker> ok, i think i can make an attempt with that information. thanks!
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• 538[03:32:11] <gerforce> hello, there. i have a problem with adding a printer to my Debian Jessie. I connected the printer via usb port. Using cups web interface to manage the settings.
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• 542[03:33:49] <gerforce> But we i try to add a printer mannaully. First, the port selections only have Parellel port and serial port, without usb port. Second i couldn't find the coresponding driver for my model.
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• 548[03:35:04] <gerforce> My model is HP LaserJet Professional M1136 MFP. If the manufacture didn't provide the driver of this model for linux. Does that mean i couldn't use it under Linux? Thanks in advance.
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• 570[03:50:01] <rhizome> i switched from nvidia to nouveau and now i've lost my multiple monitors
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• 572[03:50:09] <rhizome> no xorg.conf
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• 595[04:11:32] <awal1> Regarding alll nvidia issues discussed here, I ended thinking that one have to avoid nvidia under gnu/linux. Or I'm wrong?
• 596[04:12:00] <OtakuSenpai> hav you tried the open-source nvidia drivers?
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• 598[04:12:59] <awal1> Personally, I never had nvidia stuff, Only used intel hardware and rarelly amd
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• 601[04:13:46] <awal1> I was just wondering if it's better to avoid nvidia since I only hear problems about it here
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• 603[04:14:43] <OtakuSenpai> maybe...better ask the guys at ##hardware if you are buying a gaming rig if the system you recommend has working linux drivers
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• 605[04:14:52] <OtakuSenpai> also at here and ##linux
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• 609[04:18:39] <dvs> awal1, I avoid nvidia at all costs as far as Debian is concerned
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• 614[04:23:25] <sh00p> i enjoy my gtx 980 with jessie
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• 617[04:24:34] <sh00p> it's smoooth
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• 629[04:30:56] <somiaj> awal1: I've used nvidia for 10+ years in debian just fine. The newest released cards may not be supported right away in debian and optimus techonology can be a pain.
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• 637[04:36:06] <foul_owl> Hi folks. How do I stop firefox from using gtk3 style dialogs
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• 639[04:37:06] <somiaj> I don't see why, firefox-esr here depends on gtk2 not gtk3.
• 640[04:37:24] <foul_owl> firefox is currently using gtk3 style dialog for the save dialog :(
• 641[04:37:32] <somiaj> what version of debian are you using?
• 642[04:37:34] <foul_owl> And as such, I cannot resize or move the window
• 643[04:37:36] <foul_owl> debian 8
• 644[04:37:43] <foul_owl> Fluxbox for my WM
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• 647[04:37:58] <foul_owl> Not only that, but the save dialog spawns off screen entirely
• 648[04:38:15] <foul_owl> Maybe 25% or so shows up on the screen
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• 650[04:38:52] <somiaj> I think it is something gtk2 is doing (noticed chromium did a similar thing here)
• 651[04:40:03] <foul_owl> Did you find a way to fix?
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• 653[04:41:14] <awal1> foul_owl: you asked about that days ago. I remember :P
• 654[04:41:16] <somiaj> in firefox here when I do 'save page' I get a gtk2 style menu, what ones are you seeing that are different?
• 655[04:42:07] <awal1> I asked you about which theme you 're using but never answered :P
• 656[04:42:15] <awal1> desktop theme ^
• 657[04:42:24] <awal1> gtk2 based or 3?
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• 661[04:44:22] <awal1> foul_owl: do you have gnome or cinnamon installed?
• 662[04:44:29] <foul_owl> I installed lxappearance like you suggested
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• 664[04:44:35] <foul_owl> And set my theme to "Crux"
• 665[04:44:38] <foul_owl> Doesn't help though
• 666[04:44:52] <foul_owl> Also tried "Redmond"
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• 669[04:44:58] <foul_owl> And "Ralighe"
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• 674[04:45:26] <awal1> as somiaj told you, if you run a gtk2 theme based, firefox window dialog should have a gtk2 look/style
• 675[04:45:33] <foul_owl> What's the gnome desktop package called?
• 676[04:45:42] <awal1> gnome
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• 679[04:46:08] <awal1> or task-desktop-gnome
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• 681[04:46:38] <somiaj> foul_owl: what action is leading to this dialog you see, are you doing 'save as' from the menu or using something else?
• 682[04:46:42] <foul_owl> The pacakge "gnome" is not installed
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• 684[04:46:53] <foul_owl> File...save page as
• 685[04:47:02] <foul_owl> Or trying to save an attachment
• 686[04:47:24] <foul_owl> awal1: I tried several themes but lxapperance doesn't tell me if it's a gtk2 or gtk3 theme
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• 688[04:48:06] <foul_owl> AFAIK cinnamon is not installed either
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• 692[04:49:12] <awal1> I dont know if file manager is involved in the window dialog you get asking for save, save as and so
• 693[04:49:22] <awal1> what file manager are you using?
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• 695[04:50:27] <foul_owl> Thunar
• 696[04:50:32] <foul_owl> But nautilus is installed
• 697[04:50:52] <foul_owl> Sometimes nautilus is invoked via other applications, such as transmission
• 698[04:50:55] <foul_owl> And I hate it
• 699[04:51:00] <foul_owl> I hate everything about gtk3 haha
• 700[04:51:21] <foul_owl> THanks for the help btw
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• 702[04:51:40] <awal1> not possible to avoid gtk3
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• 704[04:52:21] <awal1> unless you maintain all gtk2 stuff by yourself for the future
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• 709[04:54:48] <foul_owl> It just sucks that gtk decided to say FU to everyone using different window managers :(
• 710[04:55:01] <foul_owl> Ok, so what's a theme I can choose that's gtk2?
• 711[04:55:38] <foul_owl> And you are referring to "widget" themes, correct?
• 712[04:56:35] <awal1> yeah. many apps are ported to gtk3, they look ugly or you may have troubles if using gtk2 based theme
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• 714[04:58:00] <awal1> you cant have evince with a gtk2 look/style
• 715[04:59:20] <awal1> you have an alternative if you dont like gtk/gnome. check kde / qt side
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• 755[05:46:03] <rhizome> graphics driver hell
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• 773[05:57:12] <Maskara> something a bit odd ...im running point linux and after switching themes my logon screen changed including the splash screen for grub into some ''skoledebian edu thing ...but when i get to desktop its still mate and has all my settings
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• 784[06:01:29] <machinehum> I downloaded a compiler and it came with /bin /lib /share and also /(folder name)/bin /(folder name)/lib etc...
• 785[06:01:37] <machinehum> What files do I put where
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• 787[06:02:12] <machinehum> I know some files go into /usr/bin, lib, share etc
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• 789[06:02:31] <machinehum> But what about the files it the upper directory
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• 811[06:13:47] <gerforce> hello, there. i have a problem with adding a printer to my Debian Jessie. I connected the printer via usb port. Using cups web interface to manage the settings.
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• 813[06:13:59] <gerforce> But we i try to add a printer mannaully. First, the port selections only have Parellel port and serial port, without usb port. Second i couldn't find the coresponding driver for my model.
• 814[06:14:05] <gerforce> My model is HP LaserJet Professional M1136 MFP. If the manufacture didn't provide the driver of this model for linux. Does that mean i couldn't use it under Linux? Thanks in advance.
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• 831[06:23:09] <Epakai> gerforce: it should be supported. i think you need to install hplip then run hp-setup
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• 834[06:23:31] <locrian9> Running Debian Jessie 8.6.0 and trying to apt-get install openmediavault. Here's the tutorial I'm running from: replaced-url
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• 836[06:23:56] <locrian9> Running Debian Jessie 8.6.0 and trying to apt-get install openmediavault. Here's the tutorial I'm running from: replaced-url
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• 839[06:24:53] <awal1> ,v openmediavault
• 840[06:24:54] <judd> No package named 'openmediavault' was found in amd64.
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• 849[06:29:17] <locrian9> It says to change sources.list to include the 'main contrib non-free'. Also 'echo "deb replaced-url
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• 857[06:37:15] <awal1> openmediavault is not in debian
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• 860[06:38:55] <jpalmer> locrian: what does apt-cache policy openmediavault say?
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• 864[06:39:49] <awal1> nothing to do with apt-get and it's sources file locrian9
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• 877[06:43:51] <awal1> maybe wrong but a brief look at mediavault websit looks like they provide a special image for install openmediavault, jpalmer
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• 882[06:45:30] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 884[06:45:49] <jpalmer> no clue, but he never said what the error was, so I was just wondering what the policy query would return.
• 885[06:45:59] <awal1> so it's something like based on debian
• 886[06:46:36] <awal1> in the link I pasted there are screenshots of the installer
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• 888[06:47:04] <locrian9> jpalmer: I'll try that command.
• 889[06:47:21] <awal1> locrian9: you are in the wrong channel dude
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• 894[06:48:08] <jpalmer> awal1: he linked to an installation page for use with "apt-get"
• 895[06:48:24] <jpalmer> step 1 is "install debian minimal"
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• 897[06:49:08] <awal1> media vault provides a special iso image, or i dont know what is is, for install there software
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• 899[06:49:19] <jpalmer> locrian9: the instructions there appear to be backwards though, it has you run the apt-get update, before you apt-key add the key.
• 900[06:49:21] <awal1> jpalmer: check the screenshots in replaced-url
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• 902[06:49:43] <jpalmer> awal, again, they provide installation instructions for debian. ISO is just an install option.
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• 904[06:50:05] <jpalmer> locrian, run apt-get update, and then try the apt-get install openmediaserver
• 905[06:50:07] <locrian9> jpalmer: the result of checking 'apt-cache policy openmediavault is replaced-url
• 906[06:50:15] <jpalmer> err, sorry
• 907[06:50:19] <awal1> how he can run any apt command if openmediavault pkg is not in debian repos at all?
• 908[06:50:24] <jpalmer> locrian, run apt-get update, and then try the apt-get install openmediavalt
• 909[06:50:34] <jpalmer> awal1: did you even lok at the page he linked?
• 910[06:50:38] <jpalmer> look
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• 912[06:50:51] <locrian9> jpalmer: Yes, I've run the apt-get update.
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• 914[06:51:32] <locrian9> replaced-url
• 915[06:51:43] <awal1> tried to open it and it seems that they have something wrong with there ssl stuff, so I canceled it
• 916[06:52:18] <jpalmer> locrian9: what is the error you get when trying to install it? you haven't told us the error yet.
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• 918[06:53:00] <locrian9> jpalmer: I'll pastebin the output, on sec. Or for my slow hands 1-2min.
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• 921[06:55:03] <locrian9> replaced-url
• 922[06:56:52] <jpalmer> locrian9: what version of debian are you running, and what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like?
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• 925[06:57:39] <jpalmer> I'm betting you copied.pasted their example sources.list into yours, and aren't actually running wheezy, so you are getting a conflict.
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• 928[06:58:22] <locrian9> I'm running Debian Jessie 8.6.0. My /etc/apt/sources.list looks like replaced-url
• 929[06:58:45] <locrian9> jpalmer: Appreciate the patience.
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• 937[07:01:59] <locrian9> jpalmer: Yeah, I changed the 'wheezy' instances to 'jessie'. When you go to the source repo for openmediavault 'packages.openmediavault.org/public/dists/stoneburner/main' all the packages are there, and recently updated.
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• 939[07:02:03] <jpalmer> locrian9: do you have a wheezy machine you can test with? it looks like this page was written before jessie was released. so googling quickly shows that "stone burner" doesn't support jessie
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• 941[07:03:03] <jpalmer> locrian9: I'm not at all familiar with openmediavault, so I'm pretty much at the end of what I can help with, but I'd definately try it on a wheezy install first before going much further down this rabbit hole.
• 942[07:03:09] <locrian9> jpalmer: If I was quick at Docker, I'd spin a wheezy container right up. I'm still working on getting there however.
• 943[07:03:23] <locrian9> jpalmer: Thanks!
• 944[07:04:05] <jpalmer> np, good luck with it.
• 945[07:04:20] <jpalmer> and with that, I'm off to catch some ZzZzzZZ's
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• 948[07:05:03] <locrian9> Yep, and I should hit the road. Linux is frustrating and highly addictive.
• 949[07:05:19] <locrian9> At least frustrating tonight...
• 950[07:05:24] <jpalmer> you say that now, but.. I think we all did at the start :P
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• 954[07:06:33] <jpalmer> I spent *months* trying to get a 56k modem to work. I only had 1 computer when I first learned linux. I'd try forever, give up, reinstall windows.. read for a few more hours and get another list of things to try.. then wipe windows and install linux again.
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• 956[07:07:14] <jpalmer> after a couple months of that, I found out that I had a winmodem, and it'd never work on linux. went and bought a modem that was known to be compatible, and haven't looked back since :P
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• 961[07:08:45] <yolan> Hello, i have a debian server in my bedroom connected to a DNS, but when i try to access it via the DNS it show up my modem's admin panel, any idea what is the problem?
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• 963[07:09:07] <yolan> I want the connection being relayed by the modem to my computer
• 964[07:09:07] <Anselmo> are your ports forwarded?
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• 966[07:09:41] <yolan> Anselmo, no i didn't touch the port's configuration on my modem, first time trying to self host so.. :)
• 967[07:10:44] <yolan> My problem is: If i port forward, how will i be able to access my modem panel after? Won't it be relayed to my computer all the time? ^^
• 968[07:10:48] <Anselmo> oooh, you mean like on your computers own DNS
• 969[07:11:20] <yolan> mmh, no it's a free and open source DNS hosted elsewhere :)
• 970[07:11:23] <Anselmo> well, you probably have both a local and an external IP address,
• 971[07:11:33] <yolan> Yes.
• 972[07:11:57] <Anselmo> so like, in my network, my modem is 192.168.1.1
• 973[07:12:04] <yolan> Same here ! :)
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• 975[07:12:11] <Anselmo> but I cannot access that easily from the outside
• 976[07:12:23] <yolan> Of course, because it's a local adress :)
• 977[07:12:25] <Anselmo> do you need to be able to configure from outside your own net?
• 978[07:12:31] <yolan> Not at all!
• 979[07:12:44] <Anselmo> then I'm not totally sure what your issue is . ..
• 980[07:12:51] <yolan> So i just need to forward the external IP adress?
• 981[07:13:00] <Anselmo> what are you trying to do exactly
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• 983[07:14:08] <yolan> When i go to mydomain.com, i connect to my modem panel, instead of my server in my bedroom, i want to connect to my server directly :)
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• 985[07:14:42] <Anselmo> then I think all you need to do is portforward on the modem
• 986[07:14:47] <yolan> And my modem have like so muuuch option and i'm a noob so i don't know where to start ^^
• 987[07:14:58] <yolan> Ok i'll look for it
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• 989[07:15:19] <Anselmo> do you have a modem and a router, or just a modem ?
• 990[07:15:46] <yolan> I'm french so i don't see the difference
• 991[07:15:58] <yolan> I just have a white box who have ethernet and wifi
• 992[07:16:05] <yolan> So i think just a modem ^^
• 993[07:16:12] <Anselmo> ok then
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• 1005[07:21:26] <wafflejock> yolan, if it has wifi built in it's a combo modem and router in one, but in your case shouldn't really matter
• 1006[07:21:40] <unborn> for some reason when connecting to samba share with user name and password - it wont connect..
• 1007[07:21:49] <wafflejock> yolan, if you want to only have the connection resolve locally you can map the domain to the local IP of the server
• 1008[07:22:46] <wafflejock> yolan, only need to forward ports if you want to be able to access the server when you're out on the internet otherwise best to keep it from forwarding that traffic since your server will get hit by bots when you open it up to the internet
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• 1011[07:23:47] <Anselmo> oh,
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• 1016[07:26:19] <wafflejock> personally would use /etc/hosts instead in most cases for local stuff (on one machine), nice to use public DNS if you want to test from other devices on your network by name instead of IP too though
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• 1018[07:26:44] <Anselmo> I got the impression it was for external connexions
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• 1020[07:26:49] <Anselmo> but maybe I misunderstood
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• 1023[07:27:43] <wafflejock> yeah I'm not entirely sure either but if it isn't meant to actually be a publicly accessible thing no reason to open things up
• 1024[07:28:26] <Anselmo> well, of course
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• 1031[07:31:02] <wafflejock> unborn, not super familiar with samba connections but would start checking in the logs on the client and server, helpful to tail -f /var/log/syslog, or other logs to see info as you try to connect
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• 1033[07:32:06] <unborn> wafflejock: well.. it works from windows, android also from ubuntu and from arch, however on jessie its just keeping asking for password all the times.. even all details are correct
• 1034[07:32:53] <wafflejock> unborn, yeah without error details hard to guess as to what's failing though so gotta find some logs or check event viewer in windows system if it's the host to see if it has any details
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• 1040[07:35:01] <unborn> wafflejock: I had this issue exactly on debian 6 long time ago..just tried to connect to my home server which runs normally an other devices however jessie keep asking for password all the times.. gonna check logs but I suspect something is not correct with samba client or nautilus
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• 1043[07:36:32] <wafflejock> unborn, it could be don't personally run debian directly most of the time either, on ubuntu now but use raspbian builds and stuff so lurk around here, but I typically use NFS since I don't often share stuff directly to windows systems
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• 1051[07:41:58] <pennTeller> I just installed Debian for the first time.. It is absolutely great
• 1052[07:42:16] <pennTeller> /msg dpkg paste
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• 1076[08:00:32] <unborn> guys how to remove from system anything to do with nvidia? something like apt-get --purge remove *nvidia* ?
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• 1082[08:03:03] <unborn> got it
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• 1088[08:08:10] <OS-25839> /msg NickServ REGISTER <OffSec@123> <winspurushoth@gmail.com>
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• 1173[08:46:37] <jelly> OS-25839: that kind of stuff shouldn't end up in a public channel
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• 1209[09:09:40] <unborn> guys I am trying to install nvidia legacy drivers and it seems to me that system get stuck at Setting up libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx:amd64 (304.131-1)
• 1210[09:09:56] <unborn> can that be due to multiacrh enabled or something?
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• 1218[09:14:09] <ws2k3> can i install gcc-6-base in debian 7?
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• 1226[09:17:03] <unborn> how to close install command which does not response or does not finish the installation?
• 1227[09:17:39] <ws2k3> unborn find the pid with ps -aux|grep apt then you could run kill -9 pid to force kill the pid
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• 1231[09:18:15] <unborn> ws2k3: ah.. but that will defo break my system right?
• 1232[09:18:38] <ws2k3> does not have to which package its updating/installing?
• 1233[09:18:48] <ws2k3> in most cases you can pretty easy cleanup/repair it again
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• 1236[09:20:08] <ws2k3> run apt-get update;apt-get clean;dpkg --configure -a after you killed the proces. that will repair stuff
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• 1238[09:20:32] <unborn> ws2k3: I killed synaptic however its still running
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• 1240[09:20:40] <unborn> I mean gui did not closed down
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• 1243[09:21:18] <ws2k3> unborn i think thats only the window is still running, but i dont know to much abou the debian gui i allways use cli
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• 1245[09:21:34] <ws2k3> switch to a terminal and run the command i sended
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• 1247[09:21:50] <unborn> yeah ws2k3 that gave me really messy output
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• 1256[09:26:12] <unborn> fuck it.. will have to reinstall everything
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• 1265[09:29:59] <ws2k3> unborn lol wtf :P
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• 1267[09:30:04] <ws2k3> unborn see private chat
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• 1280[09:35:35] <mrhanky> hi folks
• 1281[09:35:57] <mrhanky> is there an apt package for adobes source code pro font or do i have to install it manually?
• 1282[09:36:16] <solrize> i generally use a search engine to find stuff like that mrhanky
• 1283[09:36:39] <solrize> dumb question, when i want to install the current patches, do i have to type "apt-get update" before "apt-get upgrade", if i'm staying in the same repo?
• 1284[09:36:54] <solrize> i mean it's still wheezy (or jessie) before and after
• 1285[09:36:57] <mrhanky> i always would do an update before upgrade
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• 1287[09:37:13] <solrize> yeah i've been doing that too but am wondering if it's superstition
• 1288[09:37:17] <solrize> like typing sync twice in the old days
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• 1291[09:37:34] <ws2k3> is it possible to upgrade jessie to strech?
• 1292[09:37:46] <mrhanky> well, update is for fetching the package lists and upgrade is for doing the actual upgrade solrize
• 1293[09:37:59] <mik> solrize: if you won't do update, apt-get doesn't know that there are new packages
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• 1295[09:38:03] <solrize> mrhanky, yeah, but do the package lists change?
• 1296[09:38:05] <mrhanky> oh hi mik
• 1297[09:38:06] <mik> so upgrade would do nothing
• 1298[09:38:10] <mrhanky> :')
• 1299[09:38:17] <solrize> oh hmm ok
• 1300[09:38:18] <mik> sshhht mrhanky
• 1301[09:38:19] <bezaban> ws2k3: indeed. See replaced-url
• 1302[09:38:27] <mrhanky> mik :*
• 1303[09:38:28] <meldron> hi guys how can i disable the gnome onscreen keyboard? i have a touch display and evertime i input text the on screen display shows up
• 1304[09:38:57] <meldron> i disabled all options under settings -> universal access
• 1305[09:39:27] <mik> solrize: or worst case it upgrades packages to some old version because it doesn't know that there is a newer one
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• 1307[09:40:04] <solrize> ok cool i'll run update thanks
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• 1342[09:58:18] <strk> what's a simple way to generate podcast feed from a directory tree containing music files ?
• 1343[09:58:37] <strk> or, a simple server to generate that on the fly ?
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• 1394[10:20:53] <mflow> Is there any Debian version that has a cron daemon which supports CRON_TZ ? i.e. allows the task to be executed for the time and date per the timezone specified?
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• 1416[10:27:16] <danslo> my /boot is quite small and a bunch of kernels managed to get installed with dist-upgrades over time. now it has filled up entirely. when I run autoremove or apt-get remove (on specific kernels) I get "gzip: stdout: No space left on device" when trying to REMOVE a kernel. how do I solve this chicken/egg problem?
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• 1419[10:28:18] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
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• 1421[10:28:41] <SanchoPensa> unfortunately, i got a few issues, since i upgraded to jessie: my tab bar in konsole is gone.
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• 1423[10:29:06] <SanchoPensa> i can open several tabs, but the only otion, that i have to switch between tabs, is to put it in slit mode.
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• 1425[10:29:13] <SanchoPensa> where is the tab bar gone?
• 1426[10:29:27] <SanchoPensa> split mode
• 1427[10:29:46] <danslo> nevermind, managed to uninstall a single kernel image using dpkg, and then autoremove worked
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• 1446[10:39:04] <jelly> SanchoPensa: I have tabs on the bottom. Did you take a look at Settings -> Configure Konsole... -> TabBar ?
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• 1454[10:40:36] <SanchoPensa> jelly: yes, it is set to "always show tabbar" and tabbar positin "below terminal area", but it's just not there...
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• 1459[10:41:20] <jelly> that's pretty much what I have configured. can you hide it, apply, and show it back again?
• 1460[10:41:45] <jelly> perhaps it has problems with the particular qt theme
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• 1466[10:44:20] <locrian9> Just installed open media vault onto Debian Wheezy 7.1. Trying to execute the service by typing 'omv-initsystem' and then getting '/usr/sbin/omv-initsystem: 24 .: Can't open /etc/default/openmediavault'. Any suggestions?
• 1467[10:44:42] <locrian9> Running as root.
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• 1472[10:47:01] <petn-randall> locrian9: You'd have to ask your distro about those problems.
• 1473[10:47:11] <petn-randall> !omv
• 1474[10:47:11] <dpkg> OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at replaced-url
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• 1481[10:49:26] <locrian9> Hmm.. Makes sense. Thanks!
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• 1487[10:54:21] <icy> hi. I've recently updated the nginx-extras package on a stretch server and now it can't use any lua_* directives in the config anymore even though it includes lua support
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• 1493[10:57:27] <JyZyXEL> is there a simple way of doing a source diff against two different versions of a debian package?
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• 1516[11:07:44] <laughingtiger> I've met a weird problem with one sdcard, first when I tried to copy data into it, failed, then I tried e2fsck to repair, after a while, e2fsck said it can not find the medium anymore and need to restart from the beginning.
• 1517[11:07:59] <laughingtiger> I m running debian jessie
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• 1520[11:09:13] <kevoroid> hey guys, my XPS 13 constantly freezes and i have to force shutdown via physical key and start again; most errors i see in dmesg before kernel panic are "ERROR @wl_cfg80211_scan : WLC_SCAN error (-22)" and "ERROR @wl_inform_single_bss : cfg80211_inform_bss_frame error". any ideas?
• 1521[11:09:23] <laughingtiger> can anyone pls help me with this, basically the problem is the card can be recognized and mounted in the first place, then after a while, either copying data or tried e2fsck, an I/O error occurred, I need to unplug the card and replug.
• 1522[11:09:31] <petn-randall> !tell icy -about debian-next
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• 1524[11:09:56] <laughingtiger> how could this be possible by anyway
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• 1532[11:14:52] <petn-randall> laughingtiger: Can you show us the relevant lines from /var/log/kern.log? → replaced-url
• 1533[11:15:21] <laughingtiger> petn-randall, wait a second
• 1534[11:15:30] <jelly> laughingtiger: sounds like the card or card reader's hardware/firmware times out when there's significant IO (or maybe when it hits the bad part)
• 1535[11:15:31] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: I'd download both, then do 'diff -urN a/ b/'.
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• 1539[11:17:08] <laughingtiger> jelly, what's that suppose to mean, I m sorry but I really don't understand
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• 1543[11:18:29] <laughingtiger> petn-randall, replaced-url
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• 1546[11:18:54] <jelly> laughingtiger: it means the card's gone bad
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• 1549[11:19:34] <laughingtiger> jelly, is there any hope to repair it?
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• 1551[11:20:35] <petn-randall> laughingtiger: I'd guess that either the SD card or the reader are defective. My guess is that the USB reader doesn't handle bad SD cards well and will reset when it hits an error.
• 1552[11:20:44] <laughingtiger> sorry, silly question, but I've googled for quite a while
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• 1554[11:21:33] <petn-randall> laughingtiger: I'd try reading the SD card on a different reader to recover the data.
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• 1556[11:21:49] <jelly> laughingtiger: hard to say. Maybe you can keep using the first part before the error
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• 1558[11:22:38] <laughingtiger> petemc, that's weird, because I've only remove it from another device which worked very well with the card then when I tried to copy some data such things happed. thank you anyway.
• 1559[11:23:11] <laughingtiger> jelly, thank you
• 1560[11:23:26] <laughingtiger> petn-randall, thank you
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• 1562[11:23:51] <petn-randall> laughingtiger: Are you maybe using the USB SD card reader on a hub? If yes, try connecting it directly to the PC.
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• 1564[11:24:18] <laughingtiger> petn-randall, no, just a reader to PC
• 1565[11:25:10] <laughingtiger> thank you guys, I guess this is it.
• 1566[11:25:30] <laughingtiger> nice day
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• 1587[11:35:37] <goldkatze> Hi :-)
• 1588[11:35:56] <bazhang> hi
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• 1590[11:36:40] <goldkatze> I've had a look at several android- and google- packages, but cannot seem to find the one which contains whichever executable is used to fire up an android emulator; any suggestions?
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• 1596[11:38:16] <goldkatze> Some time ago, a binary called 'android' could be used to start avd, the android virtual device manager. Where to get that now?
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• 1688[12:26:33] <Brski> I'm trying to use AD accounts to connect to my Debian server, but I can't seem to get it working. Should I specify DOMAIN\user when logging in, or something else? This is what I've used replaced-url
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• 1690[12:27:03] <Brski> Also, wbinfo -t says: checking the trust secret for domain DOMAIN via RPC calls succeeded
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• 1697[12:28:19] <petemc> Brski: i use sssd for that
• 1698[12:28:32] <Brski> auth.log says: Invalid user domain\\user from 192.168.xx.xx
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• 1700[12:28:46] <Brski> petemc, How did you achieve that?
• 1701[12:28:56] <jelly> Brski: does the wbinfo thing for one user work?
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• 1705[12:29:39] <Brski> jelly, Yes and no. Let me send you a paste
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• 1709[12:30:34] <jelly> then you probably need to make that work first?
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• 1711[12:31:28] <Brski> jelly, I get prompted to input the password twice when running wbinfo -a
• 1712[12:31:29] <Brski> replaced-url
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• 1718[12:34:05] <jelly> perhaps the people in #samba channel will have a clue
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• 1722[12:35:05] <Brski> jelly, alright. I'll check there.
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• 1885[13:33:49] <rafalcpp> While installing debian, is it possible to force it to create a mirror raid even with just 1 drive, as in create 2-disk mirror raid already from start in 1 of 2 mode?
• 1886[13:34:19] <rafalcpp> so that this setups is ready to easily add the 2nd disk later and switch to actuall mirror 2/2? Otherwise it's hard to add later on (requires re-creation of all partitions and stuff)
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• 1888[13:34:43] <jelly> you can create such an array with mdadm tool. No idea whether you can click it through with partman
• 1889[13:34:52] <Ticho> rafalcpp: just say "missing" instead of the missing side
• 1890[13:35:19] <rafalcpp> Ticho: oh? So you create raid out of "hdd3 missing" ?
• 1891[13:35:24] <unborn> meh.. system re-installed and slowly putting back configs.. recovering debian from backups is just breeze :) this crappy laptop now behaves as it should..
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• 1893[13:35:29] <Ticho> e.g. mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 --assume-clean missing /dev/sda1
• 1894[13:35:47] <Ticho> and later you can do mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdb1 to add the second disk
• 1895[13:36:04] <rafalcpp> I see Ticho. This will not work in UI, user needs the console right?
• 1896[13:36:16] <Ticho> right :)
• 1897[13:36:30] <Ticho> why would you need ui for something like that? ui is for games and browsing web porn :)
• 1898[13:36:55] <rafalcpp> Ticho: I mean installer text mode ui
• 1899[13:37:17] <Ticho> I see
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• 1901[13:37:28] <Ticho> I've no idea if the installer supports mdraids with one device missing
• 1902[13:37:34] <rafalcpp> so a good idea could be: with gpart partition sda into sda1 boot, sda2 swap, sda3=rest ; then create a RAID-2 /dev/sda3 + missing with mdadm; And then proceed to UI disk partitioning and do the rest lvm/luks?
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• 1906[13:38:05] <Ticho> I usually make a lvm logical volume for swap, and only have two partitions
• 1907[13:38:14] <Ticho> but in essence, that works
• 1908[13:38:35] <rafalcpp> Btw gparted console tool is now prefered, as it supports this new partitions that can handle large >2 TB drives?
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• 1911[13:39:12] <rafalcpp> * parted program
• 1912[13:39:13] <jelly> rafalcpp: if you're using luks and lvm on top, there's no reason not to put swap inside that as well
• 1913[13:39:42] <jelly> are your boot drives actuall larger than 2TiB?
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• 1916[13:40:34] <rafalcpp> jelly: sda1 will be boot (1 GB), sda is 3 TB
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• 1919[13:41:05] <jelly> then you do need GPT format
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• 1921[13:41:42] <jelly> and a tool that can make it (be it parted, or gdisk, or partman in the installer, or something else)
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• 1923[13:43:24] <rafalcpp> GPT format can easily have more then 4 partitions? what is the limit,
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• 1925[13:43:37] <rafalcpp> and also, will GPT partitioned disk be easy to dual-booted with *BSD probably
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• 1927[13:44:21] <rafalcpp> if AI just leave free 10 GB at end, while using first say 6 real GPT partitions for Linux, should that be good to later add BSD there, and dual boot into it by adding chainloader option to my debian's grub conf?
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• 1975[14:07:10] <rapha> hi
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• 1977[14:08:16] <rapha> what is the default "vi" in debian called and how do i disable it's damn bell? sitting in the library unable to do anything because it keeps beeping every ten keystrokes and no wifi yet on that machine so no internet to install vim :(
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• 1983[14:09:08] <toruvinn> rapha, replaced-url
• 1984[14:09:13] <n4dir> modprobe -r pckspkr (or similar) ?
• 1985[14:09:33] <jelly> !bell
• 1986[14:09:33] <dpkg> To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>.
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• 1988[14:10:03] <n4dir> default vim is probably vim-tiny or vi. dpkg -l | grep vi should tell.
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• 1990[14:10:25] <pingfloyd> probably would be better to just blacklist the pcspkr module
• 1991[14:10:26] <rapha> n4dir: you're a life saver, thank you!!
• 1992[14:10:46] <rapha> and pingfloyd you're right
• 1993[14:11:02] <n4dir> looks to me as if all other solutions would be just as good , rapha
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• 1996[14:11:57] <pingfloyd> another option is to unplug it from your motherboard
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• 1998[14:12:13] <rapha> pingfloyd: not in the library with only my pocket knife. i need to do more important things.
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• 2001[14:12:51] <rapha> n4dir: i've disabled it in ~/.vimrc AND unloaded the pcspkr module ^^
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• 2003[14:13:08] <rapha> now back to wpa_supplicant and eduroam...
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• 2005[14:13:17] <tx> ahh eduroam
• 2006[14:13:27] <tx> I've had some fun with eduroam and linux. :P
• 2007[14:13:28] <n4dir> rapha what exactly did you put in .vimrc ? i need a solution like that
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• 2009[14:13:42] <pingfloyd> quick fix is echo "blacklist pcspkr" >> /etc/modprobe.d/pcspkr_blacklist.conf
• 2010[14:13:50] <n4dir> ah, the link by toruvinni i gess
• 2011[14:13:55] <rapha> it's a bit sad that when there was no working network while trying to install from a netinst CD, it didn't install stuff such as iwconfig and wpa_supplicant. makes things unnecessarily complicated in a pinch.
• 2012[14:14:00] <tx> o/ pingfloyd
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• 2014[14:14:09] <rapha> pingfloyd: already did that, thanks :)
• 2015[14:14:23] <rapha> n4dir: "set visualbell", that seems to be enough
• 2016[14:14:33] <n4dir> thank you, sir :-)
• 2017[14:14:37] <rapha> (although I'm a little afraid of really testing it right now ;))
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• 2019[14:14:45] <jelly> rapha: if you need wireless during the installation process, you may want to check
• 2020[14:14:51] <jelly> !firmware images
• 2021[14:14:51] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 2024[14:15:01] <n4dir> could always to it from a vim command prompt, for the session only
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• 2036[14:19:38] <rapha> jelly: i have a nonfree netinstall CD. the problem was, during installation my internet connection at home broke down and I had to complete the install without network access. Now I'm trying to get everything in working order which is not really a problem, just more cumbersome than it would need to be. At least wpa_supplicant should have been part of the base system.
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• 2039[14:21:13] <jelly> no, it really shouldn't
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• 2042[14:21:25] <Brigo> hi, i am installing a backported package with gdebi (btfs) an it fails with: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6-amd64 (>= 2.14)
• 2043[14:21:54] <Brigo> but 2.19-18+deb8 version in installed any clue?
• 2044[14:21:54] <jelly> Brigo: which package? backported from what to what?
• 2045[14:22:04] <n4dir> rapha imho the netinst-iso is not supposed to be used at all when having no internet connection.
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• 2047[14:22:20] <jelly> ,v btfs
• 2048[14:22:21] <judd> Package: btfs on amd64 -- sid: 2.12-1; stretch: 2.12-1
• 2049[14:22:28] <Brigo> backported from stretch to jessie with apt-get source btfs and apt-get buil-deps
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• 2051[14:22:47] <n4dir> that is: nothing wrong with using CD1-iso for installations.
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• 2053[14:23:06] <Brigo> jelly, sorry i have to go :(
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• 2055[14:23:10] <jelly> Brigo: something weird happened during that backport, libc6-amd64 should not appear in generated Depends at all
• 2056[14:23:15] <jelly> np
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• 2066[14:28:05] <rapha> hmm
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• 2070[14:29:20] <Joergi> Hi guys!
• 2071[14:29:22] <rapha> trying to apt purge network-manager (something seems off about it, want to reinstall later) but doesn't work: apt hangs at 16% and keeps saying "failed to execute operation: activation of org.freedesktop.systemd1 timed out". short of cursing Lennart Poettering, is there anything one can do?
• 2072[14:29:39] <rapha> Joergi: Joerg Bauer? o_O
• 2073[14:29:44] <tx> check your syslog and daemon log?
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• 2077[14:30:29] <rapha> oh that's interesting tx, i didn't get VTs 2-8, only VT1??
• 2078[14:30:56] <jelly> press enter.
• 2079[14:31:02] <Joergi> rapha: Joerg from Germany. :-)
• 2080[14:31:08] <rapha> jelly: doesn't help
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• 2082[14:31:16] <jelly> rapha: on vt2-6
• 2083[14:31:20] <Joergi> I have a question concerning commandline output in a git directory. What it is showing me is this:
• 2084[14:31:28] <rapha> Joergi: yeah so is my old buddy joergi ^^
• 2085[14:31:35] <rapha> jelly: i got that, didn't work though
• 2086[14:31:40] <rapha> they're not active
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• 2088[14:31:56] <Joergi> # me at my-server in ~/replaced-url
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• 2090[14:32:03] <jelly> rapha: eh. reboot and try again?
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• 2094[14:32:21] <Joergi> Parts of that line are colored. My question is about the "x" at the end:
• 2095[14:32:23] <rapha> jelly: yup, once apt has decided to obey my Ctrl-C
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• 2097[14:32:28] <Joergi> What does that red "x" stand for?
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• 2100[14:33:00] <tx> which terminal, shell
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• 2102[14:33:03] <rapha> Joergi: if that's your prompt, it's non-standard i believe
• 2103[14:33:06] <tx> which custom prompt if any
• 2104[14:33:36] <friesenpeter> Joergi: probably the dirty state of your git workspace
• 2105[14:33:51] <Joergi> friesenpeter: How to check/fix?
• 2106[14:34:01] <friesenpeter> Joergi: git commit -a
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• 2110[14:34:52] <qqx> Joergi: I'd try `git add .`, then `git commit` and see how each of those changes it.
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• 2112[14:35:03] <babilen> Joergi: You could start with a "git status" and paste that to replaced-url
• 2113[14:35:29] <tx> or just tell us which prompt you are using and don't break your working tree
• 2114[14:35:29] <tx> :P
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• 2117[14:35:58] <rapha> tx: he might not know if he has a custom prompt and didn't know about it
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• 2121[14:37:22] <babilen> Joergi: Are you using some specific shell / shell configuration ?
• 2122[14:37:30] <Joergi> I really don't know about the terminal. "tty" gives me /dev/pts/0.
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• 2124[14:37:47] <tx> what is the output of "echo $PS1"
• 2125[14:37:47] <babilen> Joergi: What does "git status" and "echo $SHELL" give you?
• 2126[14:37:52] <tx> put on pastebin if necessary
• 2127[14:38:15] <Joergi> $SHELL is /bin/zsh
• 2128[14:38:32] <babilen> So you switched to zsh .. are you using ohmyzsh or something similar ?
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• 2131[14:39:15] <Joergi> Hmm, I know Git, but that the x would point to uncommitted files is interesting: nothing to commit, working directory clean
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• 2135[14:40:03] <babilen> Home come you didn't know that you are using zsh?
• 2136[14:40:24] <tx> it might be the number of changes on the current branch
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• 2138[14:40:37] <tx> I use fish and powerline and it will put the number of changes I have made at the end
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• 2140[14:40:43] <tx> (by default)
• 2141[14:40:49] <tx> x could mean none
• 2142[14:41:08] <babilen> My guess is that Joergi is using ohmyzsh, but normally people know that they configured that in the past ;)
• 2143[14:41:16] <babilen> Either way .. no answers are being given
• 2144[14:41:18] <babilen> Good luck
• 2145[14:41:24] <tx> perhaps it's not Joergi's machine :o
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• 2150[14:42:49] <mateusz_> hi there can any1 help me with sshpass and rsyn ? i running this command sshpass -p 'pass' rsync --progress -avz ./ -e ssh user@beta.host.com:~/web/ but what i get is "Host key verification failed." i know about -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no but dont know where to put it to make it works :/
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• 2153[14:43:37] <rapha> jelly: ya, reboot and all VTs back online. No idea what had happened to them. It's a T23, wondering it the RAM might have gone bad over the years, but haven't seen any segfaulting so far.
• 2154[14:44:06] <friesenpeter> mateusz_: Could you verify the host key manually in the environment where you call rsync?
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• 2157[14:44:55] <mateusz_> @friesenpeter i can run any script, but i cant input anything manualy thru prompt
• 2158[14:44:58] <Joergi> I have now created a new checkout of the Git repo and there it is showing me a green circle instead of the red x.
• 2159[14:45:09] <Joergi> Maybe my original checkout was somehow broken?
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• 2161[14:45:21] <mateusz_> friesenpter: sorry for misspeling your nick :)
• 2162[14:45:58] <Hello71> !@
• 2163[14:45:59] <dpkg> @ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct comments to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct comments on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...".
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• 2165[14:46:43] <petn-randall> It's also arrays in Perl ;)
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• 2179[14:49:32] <friesenpeter> mateusz_: the ssh-keyscan utility can be of help maybe, or copy the .ssh/known_hosts file over to the other environment
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• 2187[14:50:43] <mateusz_> friesenpeter: the problem is that i need to run this on environment that is recreated many times daily, so i dont want to add so many keys to my remote host where i trying to push
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• 2190[14:52:04] <mateusz_> basicly what i trying to achive is push my source code after each push from CI server to web server
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• 2193[14:53:13] <mateusz_> and CI server is creating new docker container each time i push some code to repo
• 2194[14:53:48] <Brigo> jelly, thank you for the tip about libc6-amd64, i'll try again or look into it.
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• 2196[14:54:39] <friesenpeter> mateusz_: you can enter ssh client options with "rsync -e 'ssh -o ....'", just know your risks with what StrictHostKeyCheck=no implies
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• 2198[14:54:52] <qqx> mateusz_: You could perhaps have it add "StrictHostKeyChecking no" to ~/.ssh/config. Although in that position I'd look into including the info for ~/.ssh/known_hosts in the repo and adding that before doing the rsync.
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• 2209[14:57:38] <DexterF> hi
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• 2213[14:58:31] <DexterF> when bootign a system with only chromium on openbox in kiosk mode I have the mouse pointer sitting right in the middle all the time. what's a good way to hide it with no mouse attached?
• 2214[14:59:08] <mateusz_> friesenpeter: qqx: ok, thx a lot for help guys, i'll let u know when i make it works
• 2215[14:59:32] <qqx> DexterF: The `unclutter` package may be a solution for that.
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• 2219[15:00:52] <jelly> Brigo: that package name is a legacy, and should only exist on 32bit i386 architecture
• 2220[15:01:06] <jelly> eh
• 2221[15:01:09] <Brski> I've been trying to get help with my issue at #samba, but the place is like a graveyard. I'm not even sure it's related to samba... However, I'm trying to authenticate SSH logins against an AD server, and it's driving me nuts.
• 2222[15:01:22] <friesenpeter> mateusz_: I'd put ssh-keyscan into the docker build so that the keys get extracted and recorded in a file and point with an additional UserKnownHostsFile to that file
• 2223[15:01:43] <Brski> wbinfo -u shows all the correct AD users, so I'm connected successfully, but getent passwd only shows the local users...
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• 2225[15:02:22] <colo-work> hmm
• 2226[15:02:48] <colo-work> do Debian-systems _without_ locales-all installed still have a file named /etc/default/locale?
• 2227[15:02:53] <colo-work> (Jessie and newer)
• 2228[15:02:56] <jelly> Brski: winbind is part of samba so yes.
• 2229[15:03:31] <mateusz_> friesenpeter: that's propably a best solution but i am not too familiar with creating docker images and i end up using premade one :) however when i will have some more time i'll use this solution
• 2230[15:03:59] <jelly> colo-work: yes, the default "locales" package also creates and manages that one
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• 2235[15:04:38] <jelly> at least jessie does, did not check stretch
• 2236[15:04:51] <colo-work> jelly, I see. my systems seem to lack it (which causes the pam_env.so module to trigger warnings when PAM-enabled services run it).
• 2237[15:04:59] <colo-work> have I been doing something wrong?
• 2238[15:06:07] <friesenpeter> Brski: which files in /etc/pam.d have you modified and what did you put into it in order to have getent passwd to query your AD?
• 2239[15:06:19] <jelly> colo-work: run "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
• 2240[15:06:24] <friesenpeter> and did you modify sshd to use PAM?
• 2241[15:06:32] <jelly> colo-work: how did you install?
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• 2245[15:07:11] <colo-work> jelly, some by hand via d-i (selecting "no localization"), some were debootstrapped. all had locales-all installed afterwards by configmgmt.
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• 2247[15:08:14] <friesenpeter> Brski: oh, also /etc/nsswitch.conf needs to be modified for winbind usage
• 2248[15:08:40] <jelly> colo-work: that "locales" package saves a whooping 30MB or so of disk space and makes everything needlessly complicated, but it's a suck cost. I'm kind of not surprised locales-all is not as well looked after
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• 2251[15:08:47] <jelly> sunk* cost
• 2252[15:09:16] <Brski> friesenpeter, I've followed this guide. Yes, it's for Arch, but I've been able to follow it anyways. replaced-url
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• 2257[15:10:08] <Brski> friesenpeter, But I haven't modified any files in pam.d. If you check the Arch Wiki, they are able to run getent passwd and get AD users prior to modifying pam.d files.
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• 2259[15:10:18] <friesenpeter> Brski: no problem with that, check the command in "Testing nsswitch" and if that doesn't work, then go backwards in the guide
• 2260[15:10:23] <Brski> friesenpeter, /etc/nsswitch.conf has been modified.
• 2261[15:10:35] <Brski> friesenpeter, Okay
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• 2264[15:11:24] <littlepython> whats the equivalent of debconf command in rhel
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• 2268[15:12:42] <friesenpeter> Brski: I remember some auth problems which were influenced by nscd, do you use this and maybe "nscd -i passwd" could help
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• 2270[15:13:08] <Brski> friesenpeter, Not sure. I'm on a fresh Debian 8.6.0 install...
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• 2272[15:13:28] <Brski> friesenpeter, nscd is not installed.
• 2273[15:13:56] <jscoder> I have several pdfs that are only b/w text, and I'd really like to convert them to doc. Is there anything that can export pdf to doc?
• 2274[15:15:12] <friesenpeter> jscoder: begin by calling "pdftotext test.pdf" to produce test.txt in the current directory to see if any further converting can happen. If it fails you'll have to look into OCR
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• 2282[15:16:00] <jscoder> friesenpeter: hmm.. OCR didn't occur to me.. I tried the command line utils and opening them in libreoffice writer, it just shows the bitstream
• 2283[15:16:47] <friesenpeter> jscoder: PDFs maybe files with text information in them, but they may also be an image per page which cannot easily convert to text
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• 2286[15:17:22] <DexterF> qqx, thanks
• 2287[15:17:38] <UUID00> any idea what's /usr/sbin/irqbalance[11163]: WARNING: MSI interrupts found in /proc/interrupts ... But none found in sysfs, you need to update your kernel ... Until then, IRQs will be improperly classified?
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• 2289[15:18:01] <thebigj> Hello, I am Web developer. I am using GNU/Linux from past 3 years (previously I was Windows user). I am using Ubuntu 16.04 64 bit right now. I think using Debian as primary operating system will teach me many things. Want opinion from you people. Do you think I should remove Ubuntu and Install Debian to my machine?
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• 2291[15:18:14] <UUID00> it started with No irq handler for vector (irq -1) and I already tried pci=nomsi,noaer
• 2292[15:18:43] <thebigj> What kind of steps I have to follow? Like mail client I am using has some configurations etc I have to do it agian.
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• 2294[15:18:54] <thebigj> Can anyone suggest what to do?
• 2295[15:18:56] <thebigj> Thanks!
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• 2297[15:19:16] <jscoder> friesenpeter: yeah I don't need any of that.. I can copy the text from the default pdf viewer and paste it into libreoffice but the problem there is that the col width is all off, it breaks the lines in odd ways
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• 2300[15:20:27] <friesenpeter> Brski: the samba team also publishes a lot of howto html documents, if your testing concludes more problems, maybe go back and read them: replaced-url
• 2301[15:20:57] <jscoder> ultimately I'm trying to put my docs onto an old Palm OS 4.1 device and I can't seem to just find a doc/pdf viewer for palm os 4.x
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• 2303[15:21:22] <jscoder> so I gotta convert them with the utility for the writer app I have which supports only doc and rtf, not pdf
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• 2311[15:23:15] <friesenpeter> jscoder: maybe go first to html with poppler-utils' pdftohtml and then convert that with libreoffice?
• 2312[15:23:40] <friesenpeter> or even use the html on the palm
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• 2320[15:24:56] <friesenpeter> jscoder: oh, calibre may be also of help: replaced-url
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• 2330[15:26:25] <oty> hey
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• 2332[15:26:48] <oty> got a problem with pactl : I can't get to lower sound with it
• 2333[15:27:06] <oty> "pactl set-sink-volume 1 -10%" => "pactl : option invalide -- '1'"
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• 2337[15:27:32] <oty> I understand that "-" is taken as an argument, but it's written in the man that it is the right way to write it
• 2338[15:27:36] <jscoder> friesenpeter: thanks, gives me more ideas to think about.
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• 2346[15:28:43] <chomwitt3> is there a debug.mirror for stable ?
• 2347[15:30:02] <babilen> What's a debug mirror?
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• 2374[15:39:15] <meldron> HeXiLeD: set ServerAliveInterval in your ~/.ssh/config
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• 2378[15:40:26] <HeXiLeD> meldron: Thank you. will look into that
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• 2386[15:43:55] <alioui_> hi all, on a dev machine a have a script that generate a .deb package. on the dev machine i can install and run the software. but when i get the deb on another machine it stop working it missing some shared library ?? which doesn't exist in any debian repo. do i have to build the software on every machine or there is other solution
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• 2388[15:45:22] <DexterF> qqx, works a charm
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• 2391[15:45:53] <nowz> Hello, I'd like to know how to use "source" bash command in a bash script, but it doesnt work ! it returns : source: not found
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• 2393[15:47:17] <nowz> Could some help me and tell me why ?
• 2394[15:47:44] <n4dir> might it be you are not using bash, but a different shell?
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• 2397[15:48:24] <n4dir> nowz: won't hurt to pastebinit and tell us how you invoke it
• 2398[15:48:31] <n4dir> well: and what your shell is
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• 2401[15:48:45] <nowz> im using bash i think
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• 2403[15:48:51] <nowz> well im going to copy it wait
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• 2406[15:49:21] <bezaban> if your shebang is #!/bin/sh you are using dash, which does not have source
• 2407[15:49:38] <bezaban> could be using dash* :s
• 2408[15:50:08] <nowz> replaced-url
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• 2410[15:50:11] <n4dir> i tried with dash, it gave me the same error, i tried with bash, it worked (bash quick_test ; dash quick_test)
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• 2422[15:51:51] <bezaban> nowz: how are you invoking it?
• 2423[15:51:51] <HeXiLeD> is the eegdrop provided by deb repos working with ssl ? (if anyone knows)
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• 2428[15:53:13] <nowz> bezaban, sh create_server.sh
• 2429[15:53:18] <bezaban> nowz: well there's your problem
• 2430[15:53:31] <bezaban> it won't use the shebang if you invoke it with sh (dash)
• 2431[15:53:31] <nowz> why ?!
• 2432[15:53:41] <bezaban> sh doesn't have 'source' it is a bash builtin
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• 2435[15:54:05] <bezaban> bash create_server.sh will work
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• 2437[15:54:20] <bezaban> or chmod+x it and ./create_server.sh
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• 2442[15:55:16] <nowz> ok ty bezaban
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• 2444[15:55:20] <qqx> Or use "." rather than "source", not seeing any other obvious bash-isms in that script.
• 2445[15:55:22] <jscoder> friesenpeter: fwiw I managed to find the old palm os adobe acrobat reader on download.adobe.com that they seem to no longer support. waiting on the win32 app to convert files to sync.
• 2446[15:55:31] <bezaban> qqx: good point
• 2447[15:55:35] <n4dir> nowz: as far the why is concerned: i would say that the way it is invoked has priority over the shebang (but sure wouldn't bet, never ending riddle, hence i always use the shell i want to use while invoking)
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• 2451[15:56:45] <qqx> n4dir: The #! is only used if the script is invoked as a command. When you use `sh script` you're explicitly using sh.
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• 2453[15:57:01] <bezaban> sheband is used by exec()
• 2454[15:57:06] <bezaban> shebang*
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• 2460[15:57:28] <nowz> ty verymuch
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• 2464[15:57:56] <bezaban> not when passing a script to a interpreter
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• 2468[15:59:19] <n4dir> qqx that is what i meant with priority, but thanks for confirming
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• 2470[15:59:32] <bezaban> not really no
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• 2515[16:21:00] <WhatThePfargtl> Hi all. Just installed a new system with KDE, and I'm having some issues where i'm getting a dialog asking for a root password. Most notably it happens when trying to mount a usb drive, but it also happens randomly for something that appears to be automatically updating my apt sources, as well as on startup for something called "packagekit" trying to establish a proxy connection. Also possibly of note is that I'm on sysvinit
• 2516[16:21:02] <WhatThePfargtl> rather than systemd and that I removed sudo (which may be directly related to the issue).
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• 2533[16:30:04] <hid3> Hello everyone. I have installed my public SSH rsa key on a remote host and in authorized_keys file I have added the command="my command" option before the key to tighten security. However, this seems to break the SCP command. Looks like I no longer can SCP a file to that host - it keeps executing that command and the SCP simply fails. Any ideas how do I preserve the SCP functionality while having the limit set to one command?
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• 2548[16:37:43] <DanteLA> I changed /etc/apt/sources.list from jessie to stretch in new install, then did apt-update && apt-upgrade && apt-dist-upgrade and rebooted and now I'm not even getting a grub boot
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• 2550[16:37:59] <DanteLA> It removed grub from MBR and didn't readd it?
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• 2552[16:38:21] <DanteLA> take that back, I have boot now
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• 2554[16:39:04] <DanteLA> But no X
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• 2556[16:39:21] <DanteLA> or rather, the kde boot thingie
• 2557[16:39:28] <petn-randall> DanteLA: Are you sure you want to beta-test our next release?
• 2558[16:39:50] <DanteLA> petn-randall: No. But I need newer version of 'kate' than what was on jessie
• 2559[16:39:59] <petn-randall> ,v kate
• 2560[16:40:01] <judd> Package: kate on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-1; jessie: 4:4.14.2-2; stretch: 4:16.08.2-1; sid: 4:16.08.3-1
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• 2562[16:40:03] <DanteLA> I did consider single package upgrade, but that pulled 500+ deps
• 2563[16:40:08] <petn-randall> !sns
• 2564[16:40:09] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 2565[16:40:11] <petn-randall> !ssb
• 2566[16:40:11] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 2567[16:40:26] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport kate
• 2568[16:40:33] <judd> Backporting package kate in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: extra-cmake-modules (>= 1.3.0~), kdoctools-dev (>= 5.10.0~), kinit-dev (>= 5.6.0~), kio-dev (>= 5.10.0~), libkf5activities-dev (>= 5.10.0~), libkf5config-dev (>= 5.10.0~), libkf5crash-dev (>= 5.10.0~), libkf5dbusaddons-dev, libkf5guiaddons-dev (>= 5.6.0~), libkf5i18n-dev (>= 5.10.0~),
• 2569[16:40:34] <judd> libkf5iconthemes-dev (>= 5.10.0~), libkf5itemmodels-dev, libkf5jobwidgets-dev (>= 5.10.0~), libkf5kio-dev (>= 5.10.0~), libkf5newstuff-dev, libkf5notifications-dev, libkf5parts-dev (>= 5.10.0~), libkf5service-dev, libkf5texteditor-dev (>= 5.10.0~), libkf5threadweaver-dev, libkf5wallet-dev, libkf5windowsystem-dev (>= 5.10.0~), libkf5xmlgui-dev (>= 5.10.0~), plasma-framework-dev, qtbase5-dev (>= (1 more message)
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• 2572[16:41:46] <petn-randall> DanteLA: There's no easy way to backport it yourself. But testing is used to beta-test stretch and should only be used if you know how to fix trivial problems, since it only gets minimal testing and breaks frequently.
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• 2579[16:43:18] <DanteLA> petn-randall: well, I guess I'l give it a go. I'm only missing the kde boot manager now or for it to auto-launch
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• 2582[16:43:42] <petn-randall> DanteLA: What is a kde boot manager?
• 2583[16:43:51] <DanteLA> gdm maybe?
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• 2585[16:43:56] <DanteLA> or kdm
• 2586[16:43:58] <petn-randall> kdm?
• 2587[16:44:08] <petn-randall> DanteLA: Yes, probably kdm.
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• 2590[16:44:34] <DanteLA> petn-randall: package kdm is not available but referred to by another package
• 2591[16:44:38] <DanteLA> doesn't sound good
• 2592[16:44:54] <jhutchins> ,v kdm
• 2593[16:44:55] <judd> Package: kdm on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2
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• 2598[16:46:26] <DanteLA> brb
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• 2605[16:48:35] <DanteLA> Apparenly, kdm has been replaced by sddm but that gave black screen after user login
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• 2607[16:48:46] <DanteLA> ok, I don't want to beta test next debian release
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• 2610[16:49:40] <petn-randall> DanteLA: Do a fresh reinstall of jessie then.
• 2611[16:49:59] <n4dir> as far i can tell you can use any display manager you like to start kde, no need to use the one prefered by kde
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• 2613[16:51:12] <DanteLA> n4dir: well, that got me in X user session with 'startx'
• 2614[16:51:20] <DanteLA> yey, new kate with git support
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• 2617[16:51:55] <n4dir> DanteLA: what do you mean with "that" ?
• 2618[16:51:55] <dondelelcaro> but yes, #devuan in FN is your best bet
• 2619[16:52:00] <dondelelcaro> err, echan
• 2620[16:52:10] <DanteLA> n4dir: by not using sddm, I can get into X as my user
• 2621[16:52:19] <DanteLA> with 'startx'
• 2622[16:52:46] <n4dir> sure, startx works too. But also the other display-managers (like said; as far i can tell, been ages i used a display manager)
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• 2625[16:53:19] <SanchoPensa> jelly: i just realized the following: when i put the tab bar on top instead of below, it appears. wehn i put it below, its so far down below, that the tabs are below the taskbar. whihc is, why they don't show. they are there. only xfce doesnt seem to display it right...
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• 2630[16:55:54] <DexterF> where is the proper place for variables to be readable system wide? say I want FOO="bar" and have $FOO readable for any user/script
• 2631[16:57:09] <xormor> DexterF, export FOO
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• 2633[16:57:34] <DexterF> xormor, ok, but from *where*? I want it available right at boot time
• 2634[16:57:35] <nj8> use the bashrc file
• 2635[16:57:43] <nj8> this file : /etc/bash.bashrc
• 2636[16:57:46] <friesenpeter> DexterF: no real place for that exists because nothing imposes a certain shell or such for scripts and system services.
• 2637[16:57:52] <nj8> it the .bash file for every user
• 2638[16:57:57] <petn-randall> DexterF: /etc/environment, but keep in mind that it doesn't work as you might expect.
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• 2641[16:58:23] <friesenpeter> DexterF: I'd recommend putting an "export STUFF" in /etc/default/stuff and source that where I'm using it
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• 2652[17:03:55] <DexterF> friesenpeter, ok, that's good, where do you source it from? bashrc or per script? I sourced from terminal, echo $FOO gives me bar, but script knows nothing of $FOO
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• 2659[17:05:28] <friesenpeter> DexterF: If you call a script, I'd source from within the script. If you use it interactively I'd source it from my profile
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• 2788[17:57:14] <Brigo> jelly, are you there?
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• 2803[18:02:49] <DanteD> I wonder does debian testing (stretch) have the same issue as arch linux that one has to always first do 'apt-get update' before installing new packages, or otherwise things fail to download from reps?
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• 2814[18:04:50] <petn-randall> DanteD: 'apt-get update' updates the package lists, that is kind of a requirement before doing any upgrade/installation steps.
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• 2828[18:05:42] <jhutchins> DanteD: It's that way by design.
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• 2836[18:06:22] <Brigo> DanteD, so the package list in your system matchs the actuall packages in Debian server
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• 2854[18:07:25] <DanteD> hmm, ok. With debian stable at least I don't remember not being able to install new package even if I don't do 'apt-get update'
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• 2858[18:07:47] <DanteD> with arch packages break in a day if one doesn't first do the update
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• 2877[18:09:23] <Brigo> DanteD, debian stable do little upgrades so it is unlikely you get the problem
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• 2880[18:09:32] <jhutchins> DanteD: If the current version of the package is already in the local lists, it will install. If it hits a version mismatch it will fail, so it's a good idea to update regularly (there are tools or cronjobs), or if you haven't in a few days.
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• 2884[18:10:17] <jhutchins> DanteD: Testing and arch probably have more frequent updates than stable.
• 2885[18:10:37] <Brigo> probably? :D
• 2886[18:10:38] <jhutchins> DanteD: I usually just do aptitude update && aptitude install foo.
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• 2896[18:14:23] <petn-randall> DanteD: If you don't run 'apt-get update' in stable, there will likely still be a package that you can install, but you'll very likely miss timely security updates if you don't do it. It's because the stable repository and the security repository are two different repos.
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• 2920[18:21:58] <alioui_> hi, how to check if a firewall is enabled on a debian machine
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• 2926[18:23:21] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 2928[18:23:40] <jhutchins> alioui_: Ask whoever set it up?
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• 2932[18:23:53] <DanteD> alioui_: replaced-url
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• 2943[18:26:00] <alioui_> jhutchins; ok i will ask myself than
• 2944[18:26:19] <jhutchins> alioui_: Give us a little more information on what you're doing. Is this your machine? Do you think you've installed a firewall? Are you seeing something that makes you wonder?
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• 2950[18:28:13] <diverdude> Hi. I need to copy a 250G file from one mount point to another. I would like to be able to see the copy speed while it is being copied (mb/s). What would be the best and fastest tool for this?
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• 2952[18:28:47] <alioui_> i can't connect to a telnet port but there is a server listening
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• 2974[18:37:08] <jhutchins> althalus: What command syntax are you using and what response do you get?
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• 2982[18:40:34] <at0m> al<TAB> fail eh );
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• 2989[18:43:26] <friesenpeter> diverdude: look into dd and/or pv and set the dd buffer size to something like 1MB; the easiest but not fastest way is "rsync --info=progress2 src dst" which would show a nice progress but is slower due to checksumming
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• 2996[18:48:39] <diverdude> friesenpeter: thank you
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• 3014[18:56:02] <iamawesome> Why doens't hwclock work without root password?
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• 3017[18:56:44] <jhutchins> iamawesome: Because you are altering the system.
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• 3021[18:57:18] <iamawesome> jhutchins: What system? How am I altering the system? hwclck just shows time.
• 3022[18:57:18] <friesenpeter> iamawesome: just use a sudoers line with fixed arguments and NOPASSWD:
• 3023[18:57:24] <jhutchins> iamawesome: Given that the nix background of Linux is on multi-user time sharing machines, a change which would affect all users usually requires root.
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• 3026[18:57:45] <jhutchins> iamawesome: You can also alter the time with that command.
• 3027[18:57:47] <friesenpeter> iamawesome: to display the time and date you should use "date"
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• 3040[19:01:09] <zfer> Hi
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• 3045[19:03:15] <zfer> Hi, I've a trouble apache 2.4 using remoteip_module on Debian, while the same config works for me on freebsd.
• 3046[19:03:29] <zfer> s/trouble/trouble with/
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• 3066[19:10:39] <marus> i've booted with debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso and installed but after the installation is complete
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• 3068[19:10:44] <marus> the Desktop doesn't boot
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• 3070[19:11:00] <marus> and also during the the Installation i've get anything about Grub
• 3071[19:11:04] <marus> is that new?
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• 3087[19:15:25] <dStruct> in terms of block-level encryption, what would you guys recommend for installing a new install, I've read aes-xts (considering hardware accel) is the better option?
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• 3092[19:16:14] <mtn> marus: how far does the boot get?
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• 3094[19:16:25] <jhutchins> zfer: What problems are you actually having? Have you checked the apache docs for the module?
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• 3097[19:16:34] <jhutchins> marus: Is it an efi system?
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• 3099[19:17:52] <marus> i dont think it's an efi system
• 3100[19:17:56] <marus> how can i check that?
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• 3105[19:18:27] <marus> at boot order, there is uefi and legacy
• 3106[19:18:34] <greycat> Probably the most straightforward would be to examine your boot disk's partition table and see if it has an EFI partition.
• 3107[19:18:43] <greycat> ... OK, or that. That's even better.
• 3108[19:19:24] <marus> so like a say, i have both, uefi and legacy
• 3109[19:19:30] <mtn> marus: how far does the boot get?
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• 3111[19:19:46] <marus> just after bios, it say no boot drive
• 3112[19:19:51] <greycat> Right. And the default when you boot the device with the installer is probably uefi, which means you probably went through the uefi installation process.
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• 3115[19:20:04] <mtn> marus: ok, grub problem. not installed correctly
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• 3117[19:21:05] <greycat> At the end of the uefi install, it should install grub-efi which probably prompts you for where to put it.
• 3118[19:21:06] <unborn> guys is it possible that / partition can be corrupt or damaged somehow? I had to re-install today my system.. no drama, it was actually fastest way to recover my system, however during re-install process I saw in partition manager B on root partition.. I assume means bad or something..
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• 3124[19:21:56] <jhutchins> marus: replaced-url
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• 3130[19:23:10] <greycat> I don't understand this sentence: 13:11 marus> and also during the the Installation i've get anything about Grub
• 3131[19:23:54] <unborn> note since re-install my battery live increased about 3 hours and fun is hardly hear.. cpu is not heating up as it was before.. (all my personal scripts running as before except nvidia.. since I have couple of graphics to choose from I did not install nvidia) - is that normal?
• 3132[19:24:22] <marus> because if i remember last time when i install debian, there were a question about installing Grub, and i don't get this question with the new installer
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• 3137[19:24:44] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
• 3138[19:24:45] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 3150[19:28:04] <jhutchins> marus: If I read that web page correctly, the efi bootloader installer doesn't need to ask where to install grub.
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• 3153[19:28:43] <greycat> UEFI still confuses me.
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• 3156[19:29:18] <hahainternet> did the latest chromium update (presumably testing or backports) break pulseaudio support for anyone else?
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• 3158[19:29:31] <greycat> This might be one of those transitions that takes everyone a decade to get through, after which everything will make sense again.
• 3159[19:29:36] <hahainternet> 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1 to be specific
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• 3162[19:29:43] <dStruct> greycat: EFI is essentially a better OS loading environment in a lot of ways, it gives a lot more options then a BIOS chip can support
• 3163[19:30:01] <greycat> More options = more confusion in this case.
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• 3166[19:30:20] <jelly> greycat: UEFI has been around for more than a decade :-|
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• 3169[19:30:56] <jelly> we had an EFI or UEFI Itanium on test in '03 or so
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• 3172[19:31:19] <greycat> If what jhutchins just said is true, then the Debian UEFI installer might be assuming that the boot disk's boot-magic-place (not mbr) already has a thing installed in it that loads the EFI thing, but marus's error seems to indicate there's no program in the disk's boot-magic-place....
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• 3174[19:32:03] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I dunno… I still haven't needed to deal with efi, even on the last laptop
• 3175[19:32:06] <marus> what i don't understand is: why old debian iso just worked out of the box, and the new has this Grub Problem
• 3176[19:32:21] <greycat> marus: are there any other operating systems on that disk?
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• 3178[19:32:49] <marus> during the Installtion, i've chose erase entire disk and install debian
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• 3182[19:33:48] <greycat> jelly: so we'll understand UEFI right after we understand IPv6!
• 3183[19:33:51] <sillyslux> i saw uefi couple of days ago for the very first time, with ubuntu in virtualbox, it doesn't load automatically but i always have to got to vbox-bios and manually search and select the grub-image...
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• 3185[19:34:24] <sillyslux> i wish this uefi never had happened
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• 3190[19:34:57] <greycat> My work PC has UEFI firmware but it was presented to me with a Win7 image on an msdos disk (not gpt), so what I had to do was boot the Debian install CD in legacy mode, so that it would install grub-pc instead of grub-efi.
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• 3194[19:35:57] <dStruct> you guys better get used to it, pretty soon computers are going to fully adopt EFI and do away with legacy BIOS MBR style boot systems entirely
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• 3200[19:36:15] <dStruct> Apple has been doing purely EFI since way back in the day, many years now
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• 3205[19:38:00] <greycat> How soon is "pretty soon"? 25 years?
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• 3212[19:40:42] <dStruct> greycat: I would image with how long EFI has been in use probably the next 5-10 years it'll be the standard
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• 3217[19:41:24] <dStruct> greycat: I mean look for a MBR at the start of a disk is 1980s tech so yeah
• 3218[19:41:28] <dStruct> *looking
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• 3220[19:42:03] <greycat> We ran out of IPv4 (so they tell us) how many years, ago, but I've never yet seen a single system in real life with a working IPv6 interface.
• 3221[19:42:25] <Dagger> then you haven't been looking hard enough
• 3222[19:42:27] <sillyslux> oh i did and that was nice indeed
• 3223[19:42:34] <Dagger> one third of the US have working v6
• 3224[19:42:42] <greycat> I guess I'm in the other 2/3.
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• 3233[19:48:21] <dStruct> greycat: there are major internet backbone providers that utilize IPv6 and countless local area networks (including mine) using it, i.e. any Apple Airport router for one
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• 3256[20:00:51] <peeps[lappy]> how can I determine which package a particular installed binray came from?
• 3257[20:00:56] <peeps[lappy]> binary
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• 3259[20:01:07] <greycat> peeps[lappy]: dpkg -S /your/prog
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• 3262[20:02:54] <peeps[lappy]> sudo dpkg -S `which candump`
• 3263[20:02:54] <peeps[lappy]> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/local/bin/candump
• 3264[20:03:00] <peeps[lappy]> ok so where did candump come from then
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• 3266[20:03:09] <greycat> Nothing in /usr/local/bin/ came from a Debian package.
• 3267[20:03:14] <peeps[lappy]> hrm...
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• 3269[20:04:02] <peeps[lappy]> i don't remember installing it
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• 3282[20:08:46] <marus> so fdisk -l in rescu mode show me: /dev/sda1 type EFI System
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• 3284[20:09:57] <os_> hi
• 3285[20:11:00] <os_> i am installing debian using debian live (with nonfree firmware)..
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• 3288[20:11:14] <greycat> !uefi live
• 3289[20:11:14] <dpkg> Currently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <replaced-url
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• 3293[20:12:19] <os_> it is not UEFI at all, anyway..
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• 3295[20:12:30] <greycat> Lucky you. So what's the issue?
• 3296[20:12:49] <jelly> peeps[lappy]: official debian package will _never_ put stuff in /usr/local, that's something you built from source or installed in a different way
• 3297[20:12:57] <os_> i have noticed that it display a warning before run installer
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• 3302[20:13:48] <os_> because live kernel is different than installer
• 3303[20:14:00] <os_> kernel is i686
• 3304[20:14:09] <os_> live kernel is i686
• 3305[20:14:25] <os_> installer run for i586
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• 3308[20:14:42] <greycat> What is the actual problem?
• 3309[20:14:53] <os_> no problem at all
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• 3311[20:15:09] <os_> it just i think it is wrong behavior
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• 3315[20:16:01] <os_> greycat: a moment please
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• 3317[20:16:32] <os_> i haven't say anything useful until now i know
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• 3326[20:18:13] <n4dir> as far it's me using the live-images to install ain't a good solution anyway. That means: i don't think that is what their purpose is
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• 3329[20:18:38] <os_> greycat: Live system kernel and installer kernel doesn't match
• 3330[20:18:42] <kline> I'm having a little bit of an issue with getting debian gcc+ld to see a library I have installed, and I'm not too sure why: replaced-url
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• 3334[20:19:12] <greycat> os_: so? Install the kernel you want.
• 3335[20:19:17] <os_> Please reboot with the correct kernel
• 3336[20:19:27] <greycat> no u
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• 3338[20:19:47] <os_> greycat: yes, the problem that installer starts after then
• 3339[20:19:54] <greycat> WHAT PROBLEM
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• 3345[20:20:31] <os_> i think installer shouldn't start after this message
• 3346[20:20:52] <greycat> I literally have NO FUCKING CLUE what you are saying at all.
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• 3349[20:21:04] * n4dir hands over his crystal ball ...
• 3350[20:21:14] <os_> greycat: i am very sorry
• 3351[20:21:27] * CuteMeOwnThroat wonders what a literal fucking clue looks like
• 3352[20:22:18] <greycat> Miss Scarlet, in the bedroom, with the candlestick
• 3353[20:22:21] <somiaj> kline: do you have the -dev version of the libary installed with the headers?
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• 3356[20:22:33] <n4dir> os_ while i sure am not in the subject, it might be that is one of the reasons why people rather recommend to use the installation iso's to install Debian
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• 3358[20:22:34] <alcrfe> Can I point the netboot installer to a specific debian release? I netboot a i386 via PXE and would like to install an _older_ debian version.
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• 3360[20:22:59] <os_> n4dir: i have no problem with installing debian
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• 3362[20:23:06] <n4dir> might have changed, but in the pst it had quite some flaws
• 3363[20:23:13] <kline> somiaj, i have the `opencl-headers` package which should have the headers, but i dont see why it would get as far as linking if those were missing. its the .so file it claims to not be able to find
• 3364[20:23:17] <somiaj> alcrfe: afiak you can, I think during the booting of the netboot installer over PXE you can choose the release to install. But I have only seen mention of this, haven't done it.
• 3365[20:23:45] <cha18> Is Raspian kept up to date with the Debian releases, or should I just install Debian 8.4 native on a raspberry pi 3?
• 3366[20:23:47] <kline> somiaj, if i were missing the OpenCL headers it should blow up with a compiler error before it gets as far as ld
• 3367[20:23:59] <alcrfe> somiaj: well theres no obvious menu entry in the install to select the version.
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• 3369[20:24:18] <greycat> cha18: ask #raspbian
• 3370[20:24:43] <alcrfe> somiaj: I could interrupt the installer and edit some files in the initrd (/etc/sources?)
• 3371[20:25:22] <os_> n4dir: mismatch between live kernel and installer kernel can cause installation failure, right?
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• 3376[20:26:07] <n4dir> as far it's me everything is said
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• 3380[20:26:50] <somiaj> kline: okay, not that familar with the different errors. Could it be something with multiarch? or do you need a libOpenCL.so link too?
• 3381[20:26:53] <os_> n4dir: system displays warning, although, it runs the installer
• 3382[20:26:58] <os_> is it good?
• 3383[20:27:07] <somiaj> alcrfe: unsure, I've only heard mention it is possible, not finding any documatation though.
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• 3387[20:28:06] <alcrfe> somiaj: I took a look at the installer in the initrd but that's a bunch of scripts (ok) but i haven't found the part where it contacts the server. Any pointers to this?
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• 3389[20:28:43] <somiaj> alcrfe: you might ust have to get the netboot for the version you want to install
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• 3391[20:29:00] <kline> somiaj, im not that familiar with multiarch, but id be surprised if that comes into it much. the -l<name> flag is supposed to look for lib<name>.so[.<version>] in the various library paths, but for some reason im not sure why it isnt seeing libOpenCL.so.1 when faced with -lOpenCL
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• 3394[20:30:07] <somiaj> kline: sure, but multi arch contains multiple libary paths, so for instance the files are all list are in the 64bit path, but if it is looking for 32bit libaries, it won't find them.
• 3395[20:30:23] <somiaj> kline: just a guess, I'm not that knowledgable on the actual linking. Just the very basics
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• 3397[20:30:49] <kline> oh, fair
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• 3399[20:30:57] <kline> thanks, ill have a poke around with that
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• 3405[20:32:50] <somiaj> kline: also headers aren't multiarch (last I saw) make sure you have the correct headers installed you need (i.e. 32bit or 64bit). But I'm just thinking of reasons why it can't find the libary, unsure on what your problem could be.
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• 3414[20:37:30] <alcrfe> somiaj: I tired, my target is 'etch' but the netboot from etch contacts the server and installs stable (whatever stable points to)
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• 3417[20:38:07] <greycat> Then you need to change the sources.list before it does that.
• 3418[20:38:09] <somiaj> alcrfe: I have heard it is possible. Maybe keep looking through google to find out what flag you need to toogle.
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• 3421[20:38:24] <somiaj> ahh so you can just manually change the sources.list early on?
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• 3424[20:38:44] <greycat> If not, then you will have to dissect the installer or whatever.
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• 3439[20:46:36] <alcrfe> somiaj: I'll try that - interrupt the installer, edit sources.list, continue
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• 3441[20:46:57] <Igramul> Hi, how can I install a package which is hosted on github, i.e., there is no deb-file but its contents. I would like to install ykfde from replaced-url
• 3442[20:47:21] <greycat> You would follow the instructions provide by the maintainer of it.
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• 3444[20:47:28] <greycat> provided*
• 3445[20:47:47] <Igramul> greycat: "install the package". That's all which is provided.
• 3446[20:48:04] <Igramul> Apparently, it is supposed to be easy :-/
• 3447[20:48:10] <jhutchins> Igramul: Probably not intended for people not familiar with coding.
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• 3449[20:48:32] <unergy> can i put multiple installation dvds on a single bootable USB stick?
• 3450[20:48:39] <greycat> I'm not going to click the random shithub link to figure out what this thing is or how to install it. If there is no README or INSTALL then contact the developers/maintainersr.
• 3451[20:48:39] <jhutchins> Igramul: I would take the lack of instructions as a sign the package is far from ready for general use.
• 3452[20:48:40] <Igramul> jhutchins: Well, I am familiar with coding, but not with the Debian package system.
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• 3457[20:49:15] <greycat> Igramul: what makes you think they were talking about a DEBIAN package at all? Maybe they meant a package for some programming language that has packages.
• 3458[20:49:16] <somiaj> Igramul: is that just a set of a few scripts? The package doesn't seem like it is much more than script hook and helper
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• 3463[20:50:02] <Igramul> somiaj: Correct, all it does is to change the initrd to use the Yubikey as additional source for the full disk encryption unlock mechanism.
• 3464[20:50:19] <somiaj> Igramul: clone that repor, dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc
• 3465[20:50:38] <Igramul> somiaj: Thanks.
• 3466[20:50:39] <somiaj> Igramul: provided it is configured to build correctly, I didn't look at the debian/ directory to closely
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• 3471[20:51:14] <ctcx> I'm having this exact issue replaced-url
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• 3474[20:51:24] <somiaj> Igramul: you will need build-ensential and maybe some additional debian package utilities installed.
• 3475[20:51:28] <ctcx> As you can see the question is unanswered. Could someone help please?
• 3476[20:51:30] <somiaj> Igramul: arg, build-essential
• 3477[20:51:35] <greycat> Oh good, then you already have a forum link that should contain answers for you.
• 3478[20:51:38] * jhutchins really hopes Igramul has backups.
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• 3485[20:52:33] <jhutchins> ctcx: Please summarise your problem so we'll know if we have the knowledge to bother looking at it.
• 3486[20:53:19] <Igramul> jhutchins: The installation adds an additional unlock mechanism. If anything goes wrong, I can still unlock the partition with my password.
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• 3488[20:53:36] <Igramul> and I have backups ;)
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• 3492[20:55:36] <jhutchins> Igramul: ++
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• 3545[21:16:20] <alcrfe> somiaj: ok, got the pc netbooted, there's no /etc/apt directory. I echoed etch into /etc/default-release and pointed the mirror to archive.debian.org (which still has etch)
• 3546[21:16:48] <alcrfe> somiaj, looking at syslog: wget server returned 404 not found.
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• 3548[21:17:21] <alcrfe> somiaj: Do you know in what order a default install would look for files on a server?
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• 3555[21:20:34] <anexit> Is there a quick way in postfix to block an email with over 10 urls? We get emails with about 20 urls and it's a pain in th ebutt.
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• 3566[21:23:53] <jhutchins> anexit: I recommend spamassassin.
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• 3570[21:24:21] <jhutchins> anexit: It's not going to look for a certain number of URLs but for other spam chacacteristics.
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• 3575[21:24:40] <jhutchins> anexit: spamassassin and greylisting are pretty much essential for an exposed mailserver.
• 3576[21:24:41] <abrotman> anexit: you might want to ask #postfix instead
• 3577[21:25:02] <abrotman> anexit: Not sure about quick, but Postfix does have an option for a policy server, not sure if it could do such a thing
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• 3580[21:26:10] <anexit> hmm
• 3581[21:26:15] <anexit> Yeah, I asked in there
• 3582[21:26:17] <anexit> pretty dead
• 3583[21:26:18] <anexit> lol
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• 3586[21:26:51] <anexit> Should I be using postscreen?
• 3587[21:26:54] <anexit> currently we have..
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• 3589[21:27:10] <anexit> replaced-url
• 3590[21:27:25] <abrotman> anexit: I am not sure postscreen will help here, but there's also rspamd that I think plugs into Postfix
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• 3592[21:27:56] <anexit> hmm
• 3593[21:27:59] <anexit> what does gmail use?
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• 3606[21:35:05] <jhutchins> anexit: They write their own code for the most part.
• 3607[21:35:23] <abrotman> anexit: Nothing you can get your hands on
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• 3609[21:36:07] <anexit> darn
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• 3611[21:37:54] <jhutchins> anexit: I've always used spamassassin through procmail, postscreen is new to me. I no longer run my own open server.
• 3612[21:38:10] <jhutchins> anexit: Just a secondary behind a commercial service.
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• 3614[21:38:30] <anexit> Our main postfix server in debian takes a beating
• 3615[21:38:39] <anexit> then it transports to our exchange farm
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• 3624[21:40:59] <jhutchins> anexit: If you're not already doing those two, you'll be amazed at how much they cut spam. I think greylisting cut ours by about 80%.
• 3625[21:41:12] <anexit> yeah we grey list
• 3626[21:41:18] <jhutchins> anexit: Of course, that was when it was fairly new.
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• 3630[21:42:11] <jhutchins> anexit: I think spamassassin with beysian training was better than any commercial service I've used.
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• 3636[21:43:16] <chomwitt1> is there a debug.mirror for stable ?
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• 3638[21:43:26] <greycat> a what
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• 3642[21:44:29] <jhutchins> Wait a minute, that's twice now.
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• 3644[21:44:59] <jhutchins> chomwitt1: We have no idea what you mean.
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• 3647[21:45:29] <chomwitt1> i want to install the dbg package of core-utilitird
• 3648[21:45:41] <chomwitt1> coreutilities
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• 3650[21:45:48] <greycat> Is it a library? If not, why do you believe it has a debugging-symbol version?
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• 3652[21:46:15] <greycat> Do you mean coreutils? That is not a library.
• 3653[21:46:24] <chomwitt1> yep sorry coreutils
• 3654[21:46:30] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
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• 3656[21:46:42] <chomwitt1> only libraries have dbg packages?
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• 3658[21:47:30] <greycat> Debian policy says all compiled binary programs are stripped.
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• 3661[21:48:06] <jhutchins> So you'd have to build your own package with the symbols enabled.
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• 3663[21:48:41] <chomwitt1> replaced-url
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• 3682[21:55:12] <jhutchins> Or that.
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• 3685[21:55:26] <jhutchins> Now we know what a debug mirror is.
• 3686[21:55:34] * greycat had no idea such a thing existed.
• 3687[21:55:59] <greycat> I'm assuming someone validated that it really does exist and wasn't just a made-up URL. I'm not gonna click it.
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• 3692[21:56:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> it's when your program is so screwed, it outputs the mirror-image of error messages and you have to…
• 3693[21:57:01] <ctcx> Sorry, that was not the correct way to ask. I know.
• 3694[21:57:06] <ctcx> Let me try once again.
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• 3704[21:59:01] <ctcx> This command: /bin/echo -e "Haló" | /usr/bin/nail -s "Helá" -r "noreply<noreply@hotmail.com>" s3@hotmail.com
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• 3708[21:59:28] <chomwitt1> anyway my question remains, it seems that debug.mirror cant be used in stable
• 3709[21:59:45] <ctcx> If run from command line it works perfectly, but if ran from crontab it puts the message in an attachment!!
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• 3711[22:00:00] <jhutchins> chomwitt1: You could just download it and install it with dpkg -i
• 3712[22:00:05] <HeXiLeD> is there a specific group for a user to run X ? allowed_users=console ? or should i set to all ?
• 3713[22:00:14] <jhutchins> chomwitt1: Might be a problem installing when coreutils is already installed.
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• 3715[22:00:25] <ctcx> I.e., the mail is received, but it has no message, only an attachment with the actual message.
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• 3717[22:00:35] <chomwitt1> jhutchins: if it corresponds to the version of my stable's coreutils package
• 3718[22:00:44] <ctcx> And this attachment is .dat, .bin, or extension-less, depending of the mail server.
• 3719[22:00:45] <jhutchins> HeXiLeD: I think any user can run X.
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• 3721[22:00:59] <HeXiLeD> jhutchins: if set yes
• 3722[22:01:09] <HeXiLeD> allowed_users=anybody
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• 3724[22:01:25] <jhutchins> ctcx: Sorry, not familiar with nail, I'd have to look up the syntax for mailx.
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• 3726[22:01:39] <HeXiLeD> i dotn want to change b4 knowing if just having a specific group is enough
• 3727[22:01:40] <chomwitt1> but i found the PTS of coreutil and it seems no 'stable' support
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• 3732[22:02:35] <greycat> ctcx: nail would not change the filename of a MIME attachment based on "the mail server". It wouldn't even KNOW which mail server you're using.
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• 3735[22:02:51] <greycat> ctcx: so the obvious conclusion is that it's *the mail server* itself that's fucking with your messages.
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• 3737[22:03:06] <jhutchins> HeXiLeD: You're right, "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." (You should have mentioned you got that error.)
• 3738[22:03:17] <HeXiLeD> yes
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• 3740[22:03:25] <ctcx> greycat: well, already tried with hotmail, gmail and yahoo. All do the same.
• 3741[22:03:25] <jhutchins> HeXiLeD: That didn't use to be true, but these days it's mostly run by the dm.
• 3742[22:03:47] <greycat> How many mail servers does your message pass through on the way to gmail? Counting localhost as one.
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• 3745[22:05:16] <greycat> I'm also guessing your use of UTF-8 (?) characters in the subject is relevant to the issue.
• 3746[22:05:30] <greycat> UTF-8 in the body, maybe. Less of a red flag.
• 3747[22:05:35] <DammitJim> how can I see how many TCP connections I have on my box?
• 3748[22:05:48] <greycat> netstat -ant, or something with ss
• 3749[22:05:53] <DammitJim> current tcp connctions
• 3750[22:06:04] <jhutchins> HeXiLeD: ls -l `which X` shows that it can only be run by root.
• 3751[22:06:17] <ctcx> greycat: well, I tried sending to hotmail, yahoo and gmail. But certainly a paid mail service is used here in the place. I mean, I certainly configured nail to use a certain smtp server.
• 3752[22:06:23] <HeXiLeD> /usr/share/xsessions/fluxbox.desktop and slim has the user for auto login
• 3753[22:06:33] <greycat> Try sending to localhost first. Then directly to another Debian system
• 3754[22:06:36] <HeXiLeD> -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 10104 Abr 1 2014 /usr/bin/X
• 3755[22:06:48] <ctcx> And how do I send to localhost?
• 3756[22:06:56] <jhutchins> HeXiLeD: Sorry, misread the permissions, that's not what's stopping it.
• 3757[22:07:01] <greycat> nail ... myname
• 3758[22:07:09] <greycat> Just read the mail on your local computer.
• 3759[22:07:21] <ctcx> Ah, the /var/spool/mail thing...
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• 3761[22:07:34] <ctcx> (Or wherever system mail is stored)
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• 3763[22:07:46] <onehungl0> how can I place firefox and chrome on a ramdisk?
• 3764[22:07:48] <greycat> /var/mail according to debian policy, but lots of admins override that
• 3765[22:07:48] <onehungl0> :)
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• 3768[22:08:49] <CuteMeOwnThroat> chomwitt1, replaced-url
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• 3771[22:09:12] <greycat> E: Package 'nail' has no installation candidate
• 3772[22:09:17] <greycat> are you on wheezy?
• 3773[22:09:37] <greycat> heirloom-mailx replaced nail in jessie, I believe
• 3774[22:09:56] <ctcx> Yes I am. Please don't ask why (it's NOT up to me)
• 3775[22:10:08] <greycat> Makes it extra hard to test...
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• 3777[22:10:25] <ctcx> AND YES!!! Seemingly it was the diacritic-ed letters!
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• 3781[22:11:17] <awal1> So no support for "select" via keyboard in terminal?
• 3782[22:11:19] <ctcx> If using just *one* character with diacritic, the message gets tossed to a damned attachment
• 3783[22:11:21] <jhutchins> HeXiLeD: You may be able to run Xorg instead. Not sure what the issue is, startx gives the same error (and has for a while).
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• 3786[22:12:32] <HeXiLeD> xserver-xorg was what i installed
• 3787[22:12:32] <awal1> Usually shift+ctrl+c/v for copy/paste, but what about select?
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• 3789[22:12:51] <greycat> ain't nothing "usual" about that.
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• 3793[22:13:46] <ctcx> greycat: with UTF-8 stuff you meant these diacritic-ed characters, these "weird" characters?
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• 3795[22:13:53] <ctcx> How is it related to cron?
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• 3797[22:13:58] <greycat> It's not.
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• 3801[22:15:42] <onehungl0> werc.-cat-v.org greycat see this?
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• 3803[22:15:50] <onehungl0> werc.cat-v.org
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• 3805[22:15:58] <onehungl0> web domination with rc scripting
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• 3807[22:16:32] <ctcx> greycat: I mean, thanks to your suggestion I seemingly found (I HOPE) the problem. If run through cron, just one single weird UTF-8 character inside the message and it gets dumped to an attachment. Also, weird characters in subject title display as "??".
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• 3809[22:16:48] <ctcx> But none of this happens if run through command line.
• 3810[22:16:52] <ctcx> WTH?
• 3811[22:17:03] <greycat> Hmm.
• 3812[22:17:25] <greycat> Perhaps it's because your cron jobs run without *any* LANG variable at all, and something defaults to LANG=C instead of LANG=en_US.utf8 ?? Just a guess.
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• 3814[22:18:03] <jhutchins> HeXiLeD: replaced-url
• 3815[22:18:04] <ctcx> And how can I check that?
• 3816[22:18:09] <greycat> And so therefore your UTF-8 characters (the triple ??? is a confirmation that it's UTF-8 and not a single-char encoding like iso8859-1) are treated as binary gibberish.
• 3817[22:18:40] <ctcx> Mmmmm...... that would make sense.
• 3818[22:18:46] <greycat> Try putting export LANG=en_US.utf8 (assuming this is a locale you have generated) in the crontab?
• 3819[22:19:03] <HeXiLeD> jhutchins: seen that but X rusn with root privileges. Having anyone is ... "delicate"
• 3820[22:19:17] <jhutchins> HeXiLeD: Right.
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• 3822[22:19:46] <ctcx> greycat: now that I recall, I have certainly used crontab before, but I had NEVER used UTF-8 characters with it!
• 3823[22:19:53] <ctcx> This would be precisely my first
• 3824[22:19:54] <jhutchins> HeXiLeD: Also, it's preferred to run it from the console. WHat do you need X for on a headless server.
• 3825[22:19:55] <ctcx> BUT
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• 3827[22:20:22] <jhutchins> ctcx: Have you tried quoting it?
• 3828[22:20:30] <greycat> It's much more sane to move this stuff to a script and put the LANG=... in the script.
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• 3830[22:20:42] <HeXiLeD> it is not going to be headless. i am setting it up for a friend. it is far away. 6K away
• 3831[22:20:50] <greycat> Putting anything more complex than /my/script -a -b directly into crontab is usually a bad idea.
• 3832[22:21:00] <ctcx> greycat, jhutchins: er..... actually, the instruction is ALREADY in a script!
• 3833[22:21:10] <ctcx> And yes, it's quoted.
• 3834[22:21:17] <ctcx> It's quoted inside the script.
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• 3836[22:23:41] <ctcx> greycat, jhutchins: the cron job command is just /home/user/script.sh, and inside this scrpt is /bin/echo -e "Haló" | /usr/bin/nail -s "Helá" -r "noreply<noreply@hotmail.com>" s3@hotmail.com
• 3837[22:24:14] <ctcx> If script is run in just plain cli, no problems. If ran through crontab, even if it's a script, problems.
• 3838[22:24:23] <greycat> So try putting LANG=... inside the script
• 3839[22:24:33] <greycat> (export LANG=... rather)
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• 3846[22:28:12] <ctcx> THANNNKKKKSSSSS!!!! That did the trick!
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• 3849[22:28:20] <Michael-Dot> replaced-url
• 3850[22:28:43] <ctcx> WTH!? How come...? Certainly I had no idea about cron's LANG nor any stuff like this!
• 3851[22:28:54] <ctcx> This is advanced stuff!
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• 3854[22:29:20] <greycat> !locale
• 3855[22:29:21] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. replaced-url
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• 3865[22:31:09] <Matt_von_Mises> Hi. I can't get a DKIM configuration for exim to work. I have a split config and placed the config according to this tutorial (replaced-url
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• 3868[22:32:05] <Matt_von_Mises> I made a detailed question about this here: replaced-url
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• 3876[22:34:45] <ctcx> greycat: wait, does it mean crontab doesn't actually have any default locale?
• 3877[22:34:53] <greycat> That's my guess.
• 3878[22:35:15] <tx> yeah
• 3879[22:35:22] <tx> prolly just does not have LANG set
• 3880[22:35:25] <tx> you can check :)
• 3881[22:35:42] <greycat> Yup, easy to confirm. Just run "env" and let it mail you.
• 3882[22:36:03] <tx> or redirect the output to a file
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• 3887[22:37:50] <ctcx> If I run just "env" in command line I get info about the system, right?
• 3888[22:37:52] <tx> LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
• 3889[22:37:57] <tx> looks like it's set on mine!
• 3890[22:38:01] <ctcx> So I need to make crontab run env to know...
• 3891[22:38:02] <greycat> You get a dump of the environment variables.
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• 3893[22:38:15] <HeXiLeD> Xorg error: replaced-url
• 3894[22:38:18] <ctcx> So I need to make crontab run env to know...
• 3895[22:38:27] <greycat> (Of the current process, which is either your interactive shell, or crontab's very spartan environment, or whatever.)
• 3896[22:38:41] <tx> crontab has LANGUAGE and LANG set on mine
• 3897[22:38:50] <jhutchins> Matt_von_Mises: Have you looked through the logs?
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• 3907[22:42:35] <Matt_von_Mises> jhutchins: Yes. I've seen nothing of note.
• 3908[22:42:45] <greycat> Mine has HOME LOGNAME PATH SHELL PWD and nothing else.
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• 3911[22:43:19] <ctcx> Ran env through crontab, and found output almost exactly a small subset of normal system's env! LANG is not present, and shell is set to /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash
• 3912[22:43:22] <greycat> P.S. SHELL=/bin/sh which is not my account's login shell
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• 3914[22:43:40] <ctcx> Ran env through crontab, and found output almost exactly a small subset of normal system's env! LANG is not present, and shell is set to /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash
• 3915[22:43:42] <ctcx> (OUCH)
• 3916[22:43:42] <greycat> It's highly unlikely that your script will care about the value of SHELL.
• 3917[22:43:57] <ctcx> That shell part was just out of curiosity.
• 3918[22:44:16] <ctcx> I know the important part for the discussion effects now is the missing LANG for cron.
• 3919[22:44:27] <ctcx> But I was seeing the output.
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• 3921[22:44:38] <ctcx> The fact that cron uses a different shell also surprised me.
• 3922[22:45:11] <greycat> All the lines of crontab are parsed by /bin/sh (unless you override this, which I do not recommend). The *script* that you run is handled by the shell you name in its shebang.
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• 3927[22:45:42] <greycat> Which is why $SHELL is mostly irrelevant.
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• 3932[22:46:34] <pecorade> hi
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• 3935[22:47:24] <ctcx> greycat: "The *script* that you run is handled by the shell you name in its shebang." Er... ???? I'm sorry, I could not understand this last part...
• 3936[22:47:43] <greycat> Your crontab says /my/script
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• 3938[22:47:57] <greycat> /my/script begins with #!/bin/sh or #!/usr/bin/python or whatever. THat is the shebang.
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• 3943[22:49:34] <jhutchins> Derived from "hashbang", but slightly more salacious.
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• 3950[22:51:02] <tx> I prefer and still use hashbang
• 3951[22:51:07] <tx> am I old or something
• 3952[22:51:19] <greycat> You're weird. You may also be old -- I don't know.
• 3953[22:51:30] <greycat> !shebang
• 3954[22:51:30] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". replaced-url
• 3955[22:51:36] <Matt_von_Mises> I say hashbang.
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• 3958[22:52:46] <ctcx> <greycat> /my/script begins with #!/bin/sh or #!/usr/bin/python or whatever. THat is the shebang. ...... I never ever used the "shebang"! So this is its importance! Thsi is why all pros use it at beginning! But I never used it because I always thought it was a bloody comment!
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• 3960[22:53:34] <greycat> It is not optional. It is MANDATORY. If your script doesn't have one, then any attempt to execute your script normally will fail. If this failure occurs inside a shell, the shell will arbitrarily spawn a COPY OF ITSELF to read your script.
• 3961[22:53:56] <greycat> Which means half the time, the wrong fucking shell will be used.
• 3962[22:54:11] <greycat> And the other half, you get "exec format error".
• 3963[22:54:20] <ctcx> How is it that it's not treated as comment?
• 3964[22:54:31] <greycat> The shell treats it as a comment once the shell is reading it.\
• 3965[22:54:38] <greycat> The KERNEL reads it and launches that shell.
• 3966[22:54:41] <ctcx> Well, I have always done scripts without the shebang and never had problems...
• 3967[22:54:50] <ctcx> (Not that I have made many scripts as noob as I am..)
• 3968[22:54:55] <ctcx> so long
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• 3970[22:55:16] <jhutchins> !magic word
• 3971[22:55:34] <jhutchins> ctcx: Might look up "linux magic word" on the 'net.
• 3972[22:55:46] <Matt_von_Mises> Restarting the server does not make exim4 use the correct configuration.
• 3973[22:55:48] <greycat> dpkg, flw75 is <ctcx> Well, I have always done scripts without the shebang and never had problems...
• 3974[22:55:49] <dpkg> greycat: okay
• 3975[22:56:17] <ctcx> greycat: what did you just do? Did you report me to dpkg?
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• 3977[22:56:35] <ctcx> I did not say anythign wrong nor rude!
• 3978[22:56:40] <greycat> dpkg, famous last words =~ s/6/6|7/
• 3979[22:56:40] <dpkg> OK, greycat
• 3980[22:56:43] <jhutchins> Matt_von_Mises: My guess is that you have an incorrect configuration somewhere that it's picking up instead, or you have syntax errors that are preventing your settings from working. Again, scan the logs.
• 3981[22:57:02] <ctcx> jhutchins: was I just reported?
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• 3983[22:57:09] <greycat> Jesus you are thick.
• 3984[22:57:11] <greycat> !flw
• 3985[22:57:12] <dpkg> <hoxu> cast|lir, twiddling with it from a script is dangerous anyway... at least script it to make a backup or something <cast|lir> hoxu: nah, it's all good.
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• 3989[22:57:37] <Matt_von_Mises> jhutchins: I'll try obtaining verbose output. Nothing in the logs so far.
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• 3996[23:01:11] <ctcx> greycat: sorry, I couldn't understand what that flw is.
• 3997[23:01:15] <Matt_von_Mises> main option "log_level" unknown ... Well I'm having no luck here.
• 3998[23:01:30] <greycat> !famous last words
• 3999[23:01:30] <dpkg> <deadcat> Phated: ya... sarge only for them from now on... there no fucking way it will break. (=
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• 4005[23:04:12] <ctcx> replaced-url
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• 4007[23:04:19] <ctcx> You took what I said as a quote
• 4008[23:04:24] <greycat> !flw75
• 4009[23:04:24] <dpkg> flw75 is, like, <ctcx> Well, I have always done scripts without the shebang and never had problems...
• 4010[23:04:26] <ctcx> for dpkg to store it
• 4011[23:04:41] <greycat> Oops, needs a leading <reply>
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• 4013[23:04:50] <ctcx> Then use it for future uses.
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• 4015[23:04:58] <greycat> dpkg, flw75 =~ s/</<reply></
• 4016[23:04:58] <dpkg> OK, greycat
• 4017[23:05:16] <ctcx> greycat: I already understood!
• 4018[23:05:27] <greycat> No, I'm actually, literally, fixing it.
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• 4020[23:05:30] <greycat> !flw74
• 4021[23:05:30] <dpkg> <markybob> smart is also pretty stupid. i've had a drive with smart alerts for 6 months and it's fine.
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• 4024[23:05:31] <greycat> !flw75
• 4025[23:05:41] <greycat> !flw75
• 4026[23:05:42] <dpkg> <ctcx> Well, I have always done scripts without the shebang and never had problems...
• 4027[23:06:03] <ctcx> !flw70
• 4028[23:06:04] <dpkg> flw70 is, like, <kristijonas> nkuttler, I am very careful of browsing, using my keyboard or/anth mouse when in the root mode.
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• 4030[23:06:19] <greycat> dpkg, flw70 =~ s/</<reply></
• 4031[23:06:20] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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• 4033[23:06:45] <ctcx> greycat: I understood. I beg please stop making stupid of me.
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• 4035[23:07:01] <ctcx> Enough I have been already made famous with that.
• 4036[23:07:12] <Snarg> Hi, anyone want to help me out with some package management problems? I'm failing to force apt-get to use a specific repository
• 4037[23:07:14] <ctcx> !flw65
• 4038[23:07:15] <dpkg> <ComradeHaz`> *shrugs* depends how mission criticle your machine is. I run full unstable on my servers
• 4039[23:07:22] <greycat> dpkg, flw73 =~ s/</<reply></
• 4040[23:07:23] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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• 4042[23:07:48] <Matt_von_Mises> When I run "exim4 -d" it says "configuration file is /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated" so it must be reading the correct config.
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• 4045[23:07:55] <ctcx> !flw75
• 4046[23:07:55] <dpkg> <ctcx> Well, I have always done scripts without the shebang and never had problems...
• 4047[23:08:06] <ctcx> Ouch...
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• 4050[23:08:32] <ctcx> greycat: which shell is normalyl used for shebang, sh or bash?
• 4051[23:09:01] <greycat> Whatever the script requires.
• 4052[23:09:13] <greycat> If you use bashisms like [[ and arrays and so on, then it should be #!/bin/bash
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• 4057[23:11:22] <greycat> See also replaced-url
• 4058[23:11:32] <ctcx> Ok.
• 4059[23:11:46] <ctcx> left you a small brief pm, in case you're able to check it.
• 4060[23:11:53] <ctcx> And thanks.
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• 4062[23:12:23] <Snarg> Anyone willing to help with some basic preferences and sourrces.list settings? Shouldn't be too tough I think I must be missing something simple
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• 4067[23:13:30] <ctcx> greycat: left you a small brief pm, in case you're able to check it.
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• 4082[23:15:15] <ctcx> What's actually happening when not specifying shebang? What shell is being used?
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• 4085[23:15:41] <ctcx> Also,
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• 4087[23:15:44] <ctcx> Always use the correct shebang. If you're writing a Bash script, you need to put #!/usr/bin/env bash at the top of your script
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• 4090[23:15:56] <ctcx> Wouldn't it be better #!/bin/bash ?
• 4091[23:16:33] <greycat> That's a question for #bash. There are differing opinions, and it depends on the situation too.
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• 4094[23:17:04] <ctcx> Ok.
• 4095[23:17:14] <ctcx> What's actually happening when not specifying shebang? What shell is being used?
• 4096[23:17:20] <ctcx> Oh, wait.
• 4097[23:17:24] <ctcx> Yes, in #bash
• 4098[23:17:25] <Snarg> current shell, I thought
• 4099[23:17:27] <ctcx> Sorry.
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• 4103[23:18:18] <ctcx> greycat: do you use to see PMs?
• 4104[23:18:26] <greycat> I am not going to answer your question.
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• 4146[23:30:08] <alcrfe> somiaj: got it: get the etch kernel & initrd, pxe boot, abort install, rm gpgv, continue install.
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• 4160[23:37:51] <Matt_von_Mises> Figured out the problem with exim4. It needed the config option DKIM_PRIVATE_KEY
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• 4162[23:38:01] <Matt_von_Mises> The debian admin guide is incorrect.
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• 4208[23:59:44] <unborn> !flw1
• 4209[23:59:44] <dpkg> <coachz> i don't need no stinking docs
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