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• 65[00:21:36] <debkad> changing time from bios didn't fix it, when i boot in debian it changed to +1 hour , i did boot on windows and same thing happen right now
• 66[00:21:56] <mtcj> Recap the problem?
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• 71[00:23:16] <debkad> mtcj, impossible to change the time or make it in the right value
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• 75[00:23:44] <debkad> sept. 17 00:20:14 debian systemd[1]: Time has been changed
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• 78[00:23:55] <debkad> by who? no idea
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• 87[00:25:48] <mtcj> hwclock has no effect?
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• 90[00:26:38] <pingfloyd> debkad: can you pastebin the output of: 'timedatectl'
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• 95[00:28:12] <debkad> pingfloyd, replaced-url
• 96[00:28:46] <debkad> it must be RTC time: ven. 2016-09-16 23:26:32
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• 104[00:30:33] <pingfloyd> debkad: is CEST the right timezone?
• 105[00:30:46] <pingfloyd> debkad: because that output looks like everything is set okay
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• 107[00:30:50] <debkad> pingfloyd, no idea what it mean
• 108[00:31:11] <pingfloyd> I'm showing 12:30 AM for CEST timezone and your UTC time is correct
• 109[00:32:05] <debkad> pingfloyd, i think i must change Europe/Paris to africa/algeria or something but i'm not good to how or if it is correct
• 110[00:32:07] <pingfloyd> the reason for the difference between local time and RTC of 1 hour is because of DST
• 111[00:32:16] <pingfloyd> i.e, working as it should
• 112[00:32:30] <pingfloyd> debkad: what timezone are you actually in?
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• 115[00:32:54] <pingfloyd> CEST is Central European Summer Time
• 116[00:33:13] <debkad> pingfloyd, i was always choosing Europe/Paris for all linux i used and never had that issue but may be debian use the exact area no idea
• 117[00:33:26] <debkad> here it is gmt+1
• 118[00:33:49] <pingfloyd> it's probably CEST's daylight savings time being adjusted like it should that is screwing up
• 119[00:34:02] <pingfloyd> debkad: what country are you in?
• 120[00:34:13] <debkad> pingfloyd, Algeria
• 121[00:34:39] <debkad> we have a difference with french in the summer by one hour difference
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• 127[00:37:28] <pingfloyd> looks like you want to use CET instead
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• 131[00:39:05] <pingfloyd> Algeria is one of the locations that doesn't switch over the CEST
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• 145[00:45:02] <awal1> debkad,is your debian system dualbooted with windows?
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• 148[00:45:39] <debkad> awal1, yes
• 149[00:45:57] <brotherBox> hi guys, lets say i run an LTS and would like to make a package via checkinstall from a more recent version of a package that is installed from an earlier version. is there a way to not let the new package superseed the old version, that is, have them coexist?
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• 151[00:46:10] <pingfloyd> it's the DST of CEST screwing you up. Problem is I don't see a setting for Africa/Algeria nor Africa/Tunisia. So if you can set to a TZ that is based on CET without DST, you're set.
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• 153[00:46:56] <pingfloyd> i.e., a timezone that stays on CET all year around and never switches over to CEST
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• 155[00:47:37] <awal1> debkad, what about setting your rtc to utc instead of local?
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• 157[00:48:31] <debkad> awal1, i think that what ntp use?
• 158[00:48:32] <awal1> you will have a correct time possibly when in debian system, but (for sure) wrong under windows
• 159[00:48:52] <awal1> debkad, your paste says it's set to local
• 160[00:49:04] <pingfloyd> or another way to put it, is your country stays at UTC+1 (CET) but never switches over to UTC+2 in summer like many other countries that use CET/CEST
• 161[00:49:20] <awal1> timedatectl set-local-rtc 0
• 162[00:49:40] <awal1> 0 utc / 1 local
• 163[00:49:56] <debkad> it still the same
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• 165[00:50:14] <awal1> probably a reboot is needed
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• 167[00:50:21] <awal1> i thinks so
• 168[00:50:33] <debkad> ok i will reboot now
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• 173[00:52:48] <debkad> awal1, still same issue
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• 175[00:53:46] <debkad> i think i must give up
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• 177[00:53:59] <sphalerite> is there a way to get back an older version of a package? I've upgraded firejail (from backports) and been having some major issues with it. It doesn't have any important config or dependency relationships that would make a downgrade complicated, I just don't know where I can find the package, if at all.
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• 179[00:54:26] <pingfloyd> debkad: try this: timedatectl set-timezone Africa/Kinshasa
• 180[00:54:37] <pingfloyd> debkad: see if that puts you back on UTC+1 like it should be
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• 183[00:55:29] <debkad> ah now it changed itself
• 184[00:55:38] <pingfloyd> yeah, was as I suspected
• 185[00:55:49] <debkad> pingfloyd, that give me: Failed to set time zone: Invalid time zone 'Africa/Kinshas'
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• 188[00:56:04] <pingfloyd> you forgot the 'a'
• 189[00:56:06] <awal1> Kinshasa
• 190[00:56:09] <pingfloyd> Africa/Kinshasa
• 191[00:56:49] <debkad> date is -1 with it
• 192[00:58:56] <awal1> debkad, for undo the change made to your RTC and if you still want to use local, for avoid problems when usng windows, just run "timedatectl set-local-rtc 1"
• 193[00:58:58] <debkad> i think changing from local to utc like said awal1 was the key
• 194[00:59:39] <pingfloyd> debkad: what's output of 'timedatectl' show now
• 195[00:59:44] <debkad> awal1, each time i boot into windows i must do that?
• 196[01:00:04] <pingfloyd> debkad: it's always better to use UTC for the RTC if you can
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• 198[01:00:27] <debkad> pingfloyd, replaced-url
• 199[01:00:32] <awal1> debkad, thats another story (wrong time in windows using utc)
• 200[01:00:36] <pingfloyd> the caveat is that windows can get pretty stupid with RTC being set to UTC
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• 203[01:02:01] <pingfloyd> debkad: isn't the time still wrong based on that recent paste?
• 204[01:02:33] <pingfloyd> actually it looks ok
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• 206[01:03:00] <debkad> pingfloyd, the time is ok but it is wrong as it use gmt+2
• 207[01:03:04] <pingfloyd> so what the real problem is, is that DST doesn't get ignored properly when RTC is set local
• 208[01:03:16] <pingfloyd> which is kind of a known problem with timedatectl
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• 213[01:04:28] <debkad> this site have the correct time replaced-url
• 214[01:04:46] <pingfloyd> the problem now is your UTC time is off by an hour
• 215[01:04:57] <pingfloyd> Universal time: Fri 2016-09-16 23:04:33 UTC
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• 217[01:06:02] <awal1> debkad, check man timedatectl
• 218[01:06:13] <BlockCubed> how do I install firefox on raspbian
• 219[01:06:23] <awal1> maybe be you find something related to dst
• 220[01:06:29] <BlockCubed> sudo apt-get install firefox does not work
• 221[01:07:03] <awal1> raspbian is notdebian, you're in the wrong channel
• 222[01:07:09] <debkad> pingfloyd, yeah you're right but the clock in the system is 00:xx
• 223[01:07:25] <BlockCubed> I know
• 224[01:07:42] <debkad> pingfloyd, all i need the correct time, in the desktop or conky
• 225[01:07:43] <BlockCubed> nobody is anwersing in the rasbian channel unfortunately
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• 227[01:08:07] <debkad> !rasp
• 228[01:08:12] <debkad> o_o
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• 231[01:09:30] <Senki> hey has anyone run debian on oracle virtualbox?
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• 234[01:10:35] <awal1> replaced-url
• 235[01:10:44] <awal1> debkad, ^
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• 238[01:12:04] <pingfloyd> debkad: try sudo timedatectl set-timezone Africa/Kinshas then sudo timedatectl set-time '2016-09-17 00:11:00' (adjust for accuracy). Then check again with just 'timedatectl' (no args to it).
• 239[01:12:33] <awal1> replaced-url
• 240[01:12:36] <pingfloyd> debkad: correction: try sudo timedatectl set-timezone Africa/Kinshasa then sudo timedatectl set-time '2016-09-17 00:11:00' (adjust for accuracy). Then check again with just 'timedatectl' (no args to it).
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• 242[01:13:21] <pingfloyd> if you're dual boot with windows, you'll want to make sure to untick it's setting for using daylight savings time
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• 248[01:14:21] <pingfloyd> as far as NTP, with a dual boot, I would recommend you only have one of the OSes (the one you use most) utilize it.
• 249[01:14:24] <debkad> pingfloyd, it is back to 23:14
• 250[01:14:50] <pingfloyd> debkad: can you paste 'timedatectl' now
• 251[01:15:10] <debkad> pingfloyd, replaced-url
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• 254[01:15:31] <pingfloyd> that's because your UTC is still off by an hour
• 255[01:15:51] <debkad> replaced-url
• 256[01:15:57] <pingfloyd> fix that UTC to show 23:xx and you should be good
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• 260[01:18:51] <pingfloyd> "Universal time: sam. 2016-09-17 22:15:52 UTC", it's really Universal time: Fri 2016-09-16 23:18:17 UTC
• 261[01:19:18] <pingfloyd> (taking into account lapsed time between checking and posting).
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• 263[01:19:49] <pingfloyd> once you get it close though, then you can use NTP to keep it precise
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• 267[01:23:02] <Senki> hey what's the commands for install software?
• 268[01:23:07] <Senki> get-apt install? I'm having one of those days
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• 270[01:23:30] <Senki> bah
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• 272[01:24:25] <pingfloyd> apt-get install
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• 274[01:25:06] <Senki> ah, thank you\
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• 279[01:26:20] <debkad> there is aptitude too
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• 294[01:36:19] <debkad> i got my lirc not working , it worked when login but after some minutes it stop to respond, i guessed it is my remote or the my device ( serial ) but when booting into windows it worked, that happen this day
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• 303[01:47:53] <debkad> will reboot may be the date time caused lirc to stop
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• 345[02:16:25] <noseses> hello. I'm trying to install debian on my laptop. I have downloaded the non-free iso but during hardware detection it still indicates missing drivers. I'm using a netinstall iso. How do I solve this?
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• 348[02:20:51] <awal1> noseses, wifi?
• 349[02:20:59] <noseses> yup
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• 352[02:22:18] <awal1> noseses, you may want to paste the output of lspci -nn | grep -i net ?
• 353[02:24:15] <noseses> awal1, that might be a bit of a challenge cos I've booted into windows to seek help. I just have one question though, shouldn't the firmware be automatically loaded since it's on the install medium?
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• 358[02:25:10] <awal1> noseses, I just wanted to know which driver is it exactly and check if it supported by jessie
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• 360[02:25:53] <awal1> your machine/wifi card may be tooo recent, produced after jessie freeze
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• 362[02:26:27] <noseses> awal1, sorry. I guess I should have included that. it's requesting for iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode specifically.
• 363[02:26:31] <awal1> if it's the case, the driver may not be available in the stable unofficial cd image
• 364[02:26:38] <noseses> oh i see
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• 366[02:26:55] <noseses> I hadn't considered that. Thanks for the info
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• 368[02:27:06] <prettyinmauve> replaced-url
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• 370[02:27:56] <themill> noseses: firmware-iwlwifi has that firmware
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• 382[02:31:07] <awal1> noseses, firmware-iwlwifi v. 043 supports that firmware as you have been told; the unofficial jessie installer should include it
• 383[02:31:28] <awal1> hm, he left yet :D
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• 405[02:58:52] <debkad> :)
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• 437[03:25:54] <debkad> test
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• 503[04:17:56] <The_Schmidt> what's the best way to see the list of apps installed after the initial system install?
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• 505[04:18:46] <The_Schmidt> I'm open to less than best ways also
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• 512[04:22:31] <bazhang> The_Schmidt, which kind of install
• 513[04:22:40] <bazhang> net install or something else
• 514[04:22:48] <ryouma> The_Schmidt: there are various ways discussed online and no consensus that i found. here is one that i use: cat /var/log/installer/status | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u
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• 516[04:24:15] <krrishg> The_Schmidt: apt list --installed
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• 519[04:27:13] <The_Schmidt> ryouma: there is no status file inside my installer directory
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• 521[04:27:43] <The_Schmidt> krrishg: that doesn't seem to work
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• 526[04:30:18] <The_Schmidt> oh nvm was looking from the user shell
• 527[04:31:06] <ryouma> krrishg: is that initially installed or currently installed?
• 528[04:31:09] <ryouma> The_Schmidt: yeah, dunno
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• 531[04:32:57] <ryouma> i did a pretty thorough investigation of apt-clone and various listing thingies and trying to figure out re-creating an installation with a reinstallation and basically it's all a mess no matter what you do. although i don't recall the details.
• 532[04:32:59] <krrishg> ryouma: it displays everything installed
• 533[04:33:03] <The_Schmidt> ok ya those both show everything, but they don't limit it to manually installed
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• 537[04:33:32] <The_Schmidt> oh now i c
• 538[04:34:06] <ryouma> you could try using aptitude to list all manually installed and subtract those from all packages, taking care to deal with automatically installed appropriately, but i don't know if it distinguishes manually from initially
• 539[04:34:38] <ryouma> aptitude has powerful search semantics otherwise though
• 540[04:35:59] <TomTomTo1> aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?automatic))'
• 541[04:36:08] <TomTomTo1> but it lists a few too much for me i think.
• 542[04:36:14] <ryouma> e.g. aptitude -F '%p' search '!?automatic ?installed' | sed "s/ *$//" | sort -u
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• 544[04:37:08] <jmcnaught> in the above aptitude searches you can narrow it down a bit by excluding priorities important, required, standard (!~prequired for example)
• 545[04:37:31] <jmcnaught> or there are the apt and dpkg logs
• 546[04:38:25] <krrishg> automatic installed can be listed as $apt list --installed|grep automatic
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• 548[04:39:57] <The_Schmidt> apt list won't let me grep the result, what gives?
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• 552[04:42:31] <krrishg> The_Schmidt: but i did that
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• 558[04:47:09] <blockcubed> where is my USB folder located
• 559[04:47:19] <blockcubed> I tried /dev
• 560[04:47:39] <th0r> blockcubed, try /media/<username>
• 561[04:47:40] <blockcubed> lsusb is not working
• 562[04:47:44] <blockcubed> thank you
• 563[04:48:19] <The_Schmidt> grep manual doesn't work, but grep -v automatic does
• 564[04:48:29] <The_Schmidt> i don't get it
• 565[04:48:43] <blockcubed> sorry it was not in there
• 566[04:48:51] <blockcubed> its an android device
• 567[04:48:53] <Mr_Queue> This has pretty much nothing to do with Debian.
• 568[04:48:53] <The_Schmidt> ok but wait, I didn't install all of these
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• 570[04:49:15] <th0r> blockcubed, then what are you doing on in a debian room?
• 571[04:49:19] <Mr_Queue> My football game isn't on channel 11, what should I do?
• 572[04:49:23] <blockcubed> ...
• 573[04:49:26] <blockcubed> what are you talking about
• 574[04:49:34] <blockcubed> I am trying to find the location of the usb on my debain
• 575[04:49:40] <blockcubed> jessi distro
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• 577[04:49:47] <The_Schmidt> Mr_Queue: turn off the tv
• 578[04:49:49] <blockcubed> and trying to figure out why lsusb is not working
• 579[04:49:50] <th0r> blockcubed, you just said it is an android device
• 580[04:49:54] <blockcubed> how is that not a debian question
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• 582[04:50:14] <th0r> blockcubed, are you trying to plug an android device into a linux machine?
• 583[04:50:26] <blockcubed> I am trying to list usb devices
• 584[04:50:45] <The_Schmidt> try lsblk
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• 587[04:51:11] <blockcubed> thank you The_Schmidt
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• 589[04:51:25] <The_Schmidt> if it shows up as a drive it would be there
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• 595[04:57:04] <iamawesome> How can i check file.h is?
• 596[04:57:21] <iamawesome> I've installed libv8-3.14.5
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• 598[04:57:32] <Mr_Queue> Ask your neighbor, he'll know what it is.
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• 600[04:57:37] <iamawesome> I want to find include/v8.h
• 601[04:57:52] <iamawesome> And this: include/libplatform/libplatform.h
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• 605[04:58:32] <TomTomTo1> iamawesome: check if libv8-3.14-dev is what you need.
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• 609[05:02:45] <iamawesome> Installed this: libv8-dev
• 610[05:03:01] <iamawesome> fatal error: include/libplatform/libplatform.h: No such file or directory
• 611[05:03:10] <iamawesome> g++ hello_world.cpp -o hello_world -Wl,-lrt -ldl -pthread -std=c++0x
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• 613[05:04:00] <surfist> am wondering how to tell which *program* initiates arp requests
• 614[05:04:05] <surfist> on a lan
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• 641[05:38:22] <peterrooney> surfist: the most obvious answer would be the network card driver
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• 653[05:46:20] <The_Schmidt> surfist: try this: man -k arp
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• 656[05:48:34] <surfist> -k ?
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• 658[05:49:19] <The_Schmidt> surfist: have you ever done this?: man man
• 659[05:49:23] <surfist> interesting output
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• 661[05:49:48] <surfist> keywords
• 662[05:49:50] <surfist> I see
• 663[05:50:16] <The_Schmidt> see also combinations of: help, info, man, and --help
• 664[05:50:18] <surfist> well.. I used arp tcpdump netstat ... saw the traffic and found the source
• 665[05:50:34] <surfist> yeah
• 666[05:50:56] <surfist> arp had a FAILED entry that would not go away
• 667[05:51:09] <surfist> tcpdump showed me the box making the requests
• 668[05:51:39] <surfist> so I started grepping config files in /etc
• 669[05:52:07] <surfist> but never did see any actual console output of originators
• 670[05:52:28] <surfist> which process started the arp request
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• 679[05:56:40] <The_Schmidt> you might want to use wireshark for this
• 680[05:57:29] <surfist> hrmm interesting
• 681[05:58:06] <surfist> for example tcpdump -n arp shows arp requests but not which program wants them
• 682[05:58:10] <surfist> etc etc
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• 684[05:58:51] <surfist> netstat is of no use because no ip is matched to the mac
• 685[05:59:05] <The_Schmidt> surfist: have you looked at: sudo lsof -ni
• 686[05:59:16] <surfist> not so far
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• 689[06:01:38] <The_Schmidt> also: netstat -ntp
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• 691[06:01:49] <The_Schmidt> use these together and i'm sure you'll find it
• 692[06:02:12] <surfist> I can test using 'ping' and see if that program name comes up
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• 695[06:02:35] <The_Schmidt> put those in a loop
• 696[06:03:38] <surfist> netstat has -c
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• 698[06:05:47] <surfist> lsof -ni -r1
• 699[06:06:02] <surfist> might be getting somewhre
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• 704[06:06:53] <The_Schmidt> doesn't the arp request come from your router?
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• 707[06:08:35] <miaoMish> so... tell me about unix sockets plz
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• 709[06:09:10] <miaoMish> how do i use a unix socket to replace, for example, a TCP listening port on localhost?
• 710[06:09:22] <miaoMish> like with openssh or tor
• 711[06:10:24] <surfist> The_Schmidt it was coming from a gateway machine
• 712[06:10:36] * The_Schmidt throws a dropbear at miaoMish
• 713[06:10:41] <surfist> but pings come from whichever machine makes them for testing anyhow
• 714[06:11:37] <surfist> other than that there is still arp traffic via tcpdump -n arp
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• 721[06:15:26] <miaoMish> exit
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• 723[06:16:09] <The_Schmidt> surfist: read here replaced-url
• 724[06:16:57] <fread> Is make the only way the install the free pascal compiler in Debian?
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• 731[06:21:02] <zerooneone> what are the current risks of running a production server on squeeze?
• 732[06:21:37] <jmcnaught> ,v fp-compiler
• 733[06:21:38] <judd> Package: fp-compiler on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.6.0-9; wheezy-backports: 2.6.4+dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.6.4+dfsg-4; stretch: 3.0.0+dfsg-8; sid: 3.0.0+dfsg-9
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• 737[06:22:48] <somiaj> zerooneone: there are known exploits found in squeeze since squeeze-lts, though unsure what remote ones there are.
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• 739[06:22:57] <pingfloyd> zerooneone: less security and more bugs
• 740[06:23:40] <jmcnaught> zerooneone: at the very least any exploits discovered since february are not fixed in squeeze
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• 742[06:24:25] <zerooneone> somiaj: i've tried to find current exploits for apache, and other network facing servers i'm running but have found nothing significant
• 743[06:24:36] <pingfloyd> I definitely would steer clear of anything that no longer has security updates. Security is a never ending moving target.
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• 745[06:25:38] <pingfloyd> zerooneone: why do you want to run squeeze?
• 746[06:25:49] <AlwaysHigh> should i just stick with mysql db for python?
• 747[06:26:06] <AlwaysHigh> wrong room
• 748[06:26:16] <pingfloyd> AlwaysHigh: why not go mariadb instead?
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• 750[06:26:37] <zerooneone> i know it's a risk, but I'm running xen and I'm not sure how to updated the host/guests
• 751[06:27:18] <zerooneone> pingfloyd: squeeze was just fine a few short years ago...
• 752[06:27:25] <surfist> The_Schmidt somewhat closer... still kinda bruteforce it seems
• 753[06:27:32] <pingfloyd> zerooneone: it no longer has security updates
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• 756[06:28:02] <somiaj> zerooneone: there is an upgrade path you could try in a test vm to wheezy-lts if you wanted see how things upgrade.
• 757[06:28:12] <somiaj> !tell zerooneone about squeeze->wheezy
• 758[06:28:35] <jmcnaught> apache didn't change much from squeeze to wheezy
• 759[06:28:40] <somiaj> zerooneone: the amount of risk you have to continue to run squeeze is hard to quantify. There is just risk and the amount depends on what you are doing wiht it.
• 760[06:28:57] <zerooneone> i know. i'm planning a fresh install of jessie, but it has to wait a few months
• 761[06:29:17] <pingfloyd> I'd make the fresh install a plan B
• 762[06:29:27] <somiaj> you have another year (or maybe 2) of wheezy-lts support.
• 763[06:29:36] <pingfloyd> just back up everything important before upgrade (which should be done anyway).
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• 765[06:29:56] <makerman> anyone try running debian on a dell latitude 3350?
• 766[06:30:00] <makerman> that cheap laptop on ebay for 200 bucks
• 767[06:30:25] <zerooneone> i also considered putting squeeze plus xen on my laptop with the guests to try an upgrad to wheezy. ultimately i want a fresh install of jessie
• 768[06:30:39] <fread> you need at least a i7 to run debian
• 769[06:30:47] <somiaj> makerman: I've ran debian on a few different dells. I think it will be just fine, but if you are coruious. I'd check out what gpu, and audio card it has along with any other device on it you know you want to use.
• 770[06:31:05] <pingfloyd> fread: what?!
• 771[06:31:41] <somiaj> makerman: wifi chipset is another one to check out
• 772[06:32:04] <zerooneone> pingfloyd: yes i always backup daily
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• 774[06:32:18] <somiaj> zerooneone: keep your data backedup and a eye on the servers. Though I would upgrade sonner rather than later.
• 775[06:33:13] <fread> backing up data is easy with rsync
• 776[06:33:56] <makerman> replaced-url
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• 778[06:34:27] <zerooneone> somiaj: i agree, it's not keeping me up at night yet, but i wish there was a simple way to keep up with vulns
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• 780[06:34:34] <makerman> audio - broadwell, mouse - alps, wireless - intel 7265
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• 782[06:34:53] <makerman> bought the laptop because it was so dirt cheap and look like a good laptop to take anywhere
• 783[06:35:02] <makerman> wanted to slap debian on it
• 784[06:35:25] <somiaj> makerman: if it passes the ubuntu certification it will most likely also work on debian.
• 785[06:35:34] <makerman> figured as much
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• 787[06:35:59] <miaoMish> sorry my connection died. did anyone respond to my questions regarding Unix sockets to replace localhost TCP connections?
• 788[06:36:02] <makerman> i prefer arch really.. but ... use debian / ubuntu for work.. so i like to keep it consistent
• 789[06:36:23] <zerooneone> i'm running postfix, proftpd, sshd, apache2 w php, webmin (but i just shut that down)
• 790[06:36:37] <rihbyne> makerman: you running debian sid as your desktop ?
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• 792[06:37:07] <somiaj> makerman: hardware is usually distro independent (it is hte same linux kernel), though newer hardware may not be as well supported out of the box in debian with out say backported kernel/drivers
• 793[06:37:51] <pingfloyd> worse comes to worse, there's always kernel.org
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• 795[06:38:28] <zerooneone> somiaj: so how would i go about updating with xen? updated the host first and then the guests? or all at the same time?
• 796[06:38:40] <makerman> rihbyne, debian mostly for servers
• 797[06:38:57] <makerman> ubuntu for desktops
• 798[06:39:32] <pingfloyd> !sns
• 799[06:39:32] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 800[06:39:58] <makerman> lol
• 801[06:40:02] <makerman> tahts funny
• 802[06:40:19] <makerman> almost a sfunny as FAS
• 803[06:41:27] <rihbyne> that msg is for whom?
• 804[06:41:36] <makerman> whoever posted sns
• 805[06:41:40] <makerman> pingfloyd
• 806[06:41:41] <makerman> lol
• 807[06:42:00] <fread> !fas
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• 809[06:43:22] <makerman> fread, dont think youll find that one
• 810[06:43:32] <makerman> FAS = Foreign Accent Syndrome
• 811[06:43:37] <makerman> one day you wake up with an accent
• 812[06:43:38] <makerman> lol
• 813[06:43:52] <makerman> you could be pure u.s.a. cracker
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• 815[06:44:04] <makerman> and stalk speaking with an africa accent
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• 820[06:46:31] <The_Schmidt> surfist: did you have dnsmasq running when you checked: sudo lsof -ni
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• 822[06:47:54] <The_Schmidt> surfist: it was the only thing I had running besides that has anything about ARP in its man page
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• 827[06:49:18] <iKarith> ...so is Calligra basically OpenOffice but for KDE? :)
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• 830[06:52:09] <makerman> curious - anyone use any task switch apps in debian at the cli?
• 831[06:52:24] <makerman> so if i wanted to just have this laptop running cli only no ui... keep it super clean and light weight..
• 832[06:52:37] <somiaj> what do you mean by task switch apps?
• 833[06:52:42] <makerman> well..
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• 835[06:52:52] <fread> How do you upgrade to linux
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• 837[06:52:55] <makerman> lets say i wanted to have nano option twice
• 838[06:53:03] <makerman> id like to switch between to running nanos
• 839[06:53:06] <makerman> but at cli only
• 840[06:53:07] <makerman> no ui
• 841[06:53:14] <makerman> ui as in gnome or whatever
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• 843[06:53:27] <skney> like tmux or something?
• 844[06:53:39] <somiaj> so screen or tmux.
• 845[06:53:55] <surfist> The_Schmidt I had bind9 running
• 846[06:54:00] <surfist> have
• 847[06:54:03] <makerman> yeah i think so
• 848[06:54:06] <makerman> just read up on tmux
• 849[06:54:18] <makerman> just to be able to switch between things at the cli
• 850[06:54:32] <surfist> The_Schmidt I found and fixed the original problem by guessing
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• 852[06:54:53] <surfist> the fun now is doing it faster and accurately
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• 858[06:57:40] <iKarith> makerman: I use tmux and xfce to keep my machines light and snappy, including my Core i7-3770 :D
• 859[06:57:56] <makerman> will check that out
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• 861[06:58:09] <makerman> contemplating the ui on this laptop
• 862[06:58:12] <makerman> to have or not have
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• 864[06:58:17] <makerman> its a cheap laptop but looks solid
• 865[06:58:25] <makerman> but not TOP of the line
• 866[06:58:30] <makerman> plus its for tinkering
• 867[06:58:36] <somiaj> depends on the use. debian offices numerious light weight window managers you can use to build a light weight setup
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• 869[06:58:40] <iKarith> makerman: scales more or less decently between Raspberry Pi 2 and the i7.
• 870[06:58:42] <AlexLikeRock> hi
• 871[06:58:56] <fread> kde and cinnamon are the best looking DE
• 872[06:58:58] <AlexLikeRock> from mexico
• 873[06:59:04] <iKarith> Obviously web browsing on the Pi or my Atom D410 are ... lackking. ;)
• 874[06:59:32] <iKarith> makerman: are you familiar with GNU screen at all?
• 875[06:59:49] <makerman> nope
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• 877[07:00:15] <iKarith> makerman: I still recommend using the screen keybindings for tmux.
• 878[07:00:20] <makerman> would prefer all logged in on one account though
• 879[07:00:20] <AlexLikeRock> GNU RULES !!!
• 880[07:00:26] <iKarith> they don't map one to one.
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• 882[07:00:46] <iKarith> AlexLikeRock: GNU SCREEN SUCKS !!! ;) But tmux is pretty neat.
• 883[07:02:23] <iKarith> screen just shows how hard it is to implement a terminal emulator and do it right. For what it is, how it works, and how old it is, it's remarkably good at what it does.
• 884[07:02:43] <iKarith> And the stuff it does right made writing tmux a thousand times easier I'm sure.
• 885[07:03:03] <AlexLikeRock> iKarith, its like terminator ?
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• 887[07:04:22] <iKarith> makerman: The major thing that you're going to have trouble with is that you can't really virtualize one framebuffer the way you want to provide things like a web browser in just another window of your tmux session. If you need GUI for the web, and we generally all do nowadays, you're gonna need a GUI.
• 888[07:04:33] <iKarith> but you can get the GUI pretty light.
• 889[07:04:52] <iKarith> Heck, if you don't need a modern DE, you can still use Window Maker or IceWM.
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• 892[07:05:58] <maxcell_> hi good night
• 893[07:06:01] <tripkin> I have a (hopefully) quick question. I set up apt preferences by setting all security to 1000, all stable to 900, all testing to 600, all unstable to 150, and all experimental to -1. When I sudo apt-cache policy vlc, i am shown that 2.2.4-1 is the currently installed version, 2.2.4-4 is ranked 150, 2.2.4-1 is ranked 1000, and so on. When I run sudo apt-get -t unstable install vlc, I am told I already have the latest version
• 894[07:06:01] <tripkin> installed. The folks at #vlc suggested I try a nightly to see if it resolves a problem I have, so I am willing to try unstable, on the premise that I can choose to rollback to stable. Any ideas on what I have done wrong regarding getting an install from Sid to work?
• 895[07:06:02] <AlexLikeRock> hi
• 896[07:06:10] <makerman> iKarith, yeah i dont really need a browser and linx if that still exists would likley suffice
• 897[07:06:28] <makerman> i might just stick with the ui i dunno
• 898[07:06:30] <makerman> lets see
• 899[07:06:31] <makerman> lol
• 900[07:06:36] <somiaj> there is also links2
• 901[07:06:56] <The_Schmidt> also elinks w3m lynx
• 902[07:07:36] <The_Schmidt> not to mention there's irssi and weechat for irc
• 903[07:07:37] <pingfloyd> !frankendebian
• 904[07:07:37] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 907[07:08:25] <ryouma> tripkin: perhaps you can create a backport or convince somebody to do so. what is thr peoblem?
• 908[07:08:32] <ryouma> with vlc
• 909[07:08:39] <tripkin> If that is for me, pingfloyd, then thanks.
• 910[07:08:46] <tom99> arg vlc sux hot rocks from space
• 911[07:09:00] <ryouma> wfm
• 912[07:09:18] <pingfloyd> !ssb
• 913[07:09:18] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 914[07:09:29] <tripkin> ryouma, when I am playing certain video files I get audio but no video. On windows, they play just fine with a vanilla 2.2.4 install, no extra codecs.
• 915[07:10:12] <tripkin> Thanks pingfloyd. I did not include the src line.
• 916[07:10:19] <pingfloyd> tripkin: no problem
• 917[07:10:39] <tripkin> ryouma, wfm?
• 918[07:10:50] <ryouma> works for me
• 919[07:10:54] <tripkin> Oh.
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• 922[07:12:00] <tripkin> It is encoded with divx, and when I run the video in question, I get a codec error. After looking at the log, that is when the vlc folds suggested I try a nightly.
• 923[07:13:04] <AlexLikeRock> wath size of the video ?
• 924[07:13:16] <iKarith> makerman: lynx, links, and elinks all exist
• 925[07:13:49] <AlexLikeRock> 780x1040 ? 320x400 ? 720x1080? tripkin ?
• 926[07:13:54] <tripkin> AlexLikeRock, it is a 345MB avi.
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• 928[07:13:57] <tripkin> ah
• 929[07:14:04] <iKarith> makerman: But as I said, if you need a GUI, you can always startx and use a lighter WM
• 930[07:14:08] <maxcell_> so i have a question for you, i do not want to mass the repositories with unstable packages, but i want to install the latest nvidia driver anyway, from the website, but it doesnt install the 32bits packages because it doesnt find the Path where it should install the 32bits Libraries from the nvidia_driver.sh in Debian. It find the Path in Fedora with no problem, but doesnt in Debian. I really wanna know where the 32bits Folder in Debian lays on. I try
• 931[07:14:08] <maxcell_> to set manually in the nvidia_driver installation to put the 32bits Libraries in /usr/lib but it doesnt work. The driver copy the files, but the system (debian) doesnt find them there. Where Debian look for the 32bits libraries in the system by default? I didnt have this problem with any other distros, every distro i test installing the nvidia driver from website find install the 32bits libraries automatically and it work. PS: i need 32bits library in 6
• 932[07:14:09] <maxcell_> 4bit system because of the Steam
• 933[07:14:16] <tripkin> AlexLikeRock, hang on a sec, I will get you the details
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• 935[07:14:51] <iKarith> makerman: I'm probably like THE guy around here who actually uses old hardware seriously. *pats his Apple //c*
• 936[07:16:13] <tripkin> AlexLikeRock, it is a 480x360 at 28fps, MPEG-4 Visual (XviD)
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• 938[07:16:50] <makerman> iKarith, hows the apple 2 work on the net?
• 939[07:16:56] <maxcell_> I really want to understand how Debian works in this particulary case and i would be amazed if someone could teach me that.
• 940[07:16:57] <iKarith> You'd be shocked what you can accomplish with mutt or alpine, elinks, weechat or irssi, offlineimap, python, etc.
• 941[07:17:10] <AlexLikeRock> tripkin, try with SMPLAYER
• 942[07:17:12] <makerman> i have two of those sitting in my closet one with a 300 baud modem that still works
• 943[07:17:22] <AlexLikeRock> its bery good
• 944[07:17:33] <tripkin> Ok AlexLikeRock, thanks. Let you know in a sec
• 945[07:18:10] <maxcell_> tripkin, mplayer and mpv is awesome and support hardware acceleration with libvdpau. just mplayer -vo vdpau (if you have a graphic card)
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• 947[07:18:35] <pingfloyd> !multiarch
• 948[07:18:35] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
• 949[07:19:11] <iKarith> makerman: Well, the //c does it over serial. The //e and IIgs can use contiki for the 6502 using a card called the Uthernet II (I've got one), and the IIgs can use Spectrum Internet Suite on the Uthernet II or over 230.4kbps AppleTalk bridged to DDP ethernet (EtherTalk) talking to netatalk 2 on Debian/Raspbian machines.
• 950[07:19:15] <maxcell_> dpkg, i did that before ./nvidia_driver.sh
• 951[07:19:15] <dpkg> maxcell_: no idea
• 952[07:19:19] <tripkin> AlexLikeRock, SMPlayer is working fine. Thanks. Wish I knew why vlc wasn't working, though.
• 953[07:19:42] <maxcell_> dpkg, i enable the i386 architecture and try to install the nvidia_driver after that
• 954[07:19:42] <dpkg> maxcell_: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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• 957[07:20:31] <tom99> apparently weechat is some sort of irc client
• 958[07:20:45] <AlexLikeRock> tripkin, , very good :-)
• 959[07:21:00] <iKarith> Yes, quite mature at this point, though in some ways weechat is still behind irssi. In others, far ahead.
• 960[07:21:05] <maxcell_> dpkg, how Debian enable multiarch? Where did it look for the Libraries, where is their default paths... i dont understand Debian, it should be simplier but its not
• 961[07:21:05] <dpkg> maxcell_: what are you talking about?
• 962[07:21:22] <iKarith> maxcell_: you do realize you're talking to an infobot right?
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• 964[07:21:36] <tom99> ELinks is a free text-based console web browser for Unix-like operating systems.
• 965[07:21:42] <maxcell_> dpkg, did you read my big question about the nvidia driver? that i want to install the latest without massing with the unstable repos?
• 966[07:21:44] <dpkg> maxcell_: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
• 967[07:22:00] <maxcell_> dpkg is a bot?
• 968[07:22:02] <dpkg> maxcell_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
• 969[07:22:11] <maxcell_> iKarith, sorry uahauhauh i just realize that now
• 970[07:22:25] <tom99> Alpine Linux is a Linux distribution based on musl and BusyBox
• 971[07:22:39] <maxcell_> iKarith, why he is answering me anyway, wtf
• 972[07:22:44] <iKarith> tom99: Alpine is an email client
• 973[07:23:00] <iKarith> !blootbot
• 974[07:23:00] <dpkg> blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot by xk. Homepage at replaced-url
• 975[07:23:27] <iKarith> !infobot
• 976[07:23:27] <dpkg> Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See replaced-url
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• 978[07:23:47] <iKarith> That's what dpkg is :)
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• 980[07:24:05] <maxcell_> sounds cute, but i really wanna a real person to help me
• 981[07:24:20] <tom99> iKarith: you sure use some classic software
• 982[07:24:33] <rihbyne> !dpkg
• 983[07:24:33] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
• 984[07:24:36] <pingfloyd> real people went extinct
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• 986[07:24:55] <tom99> so on a different topic, does anybody know any of those "learn linux" books that aren't complete garbage?
• 987[07:25:07] <tom99> like the "Learn Linux Essentials in 21 Parsecs" type stuff
• 988[07:25:19] <pingfloyd> tom99: by the time they hit print, they make good toilet paper
• 989[07:25:20] <somiaj> maxcell_: did you enable i386 with the dpkg command the bot gave you? After that apt-get update, then apt-get install package:i386
• 990[07:25:24] <iKarith> tom99: weechat is quite modern, mutt ... has been around a few years. elinks is a web browser from a time when people used text interfaces on modems, and I was talking about how I use these things from an Apple //c over a serial port. :)
• 991[07:26:05] <iKarith> The 21 parsecs types books are the ones that are garbage :)
• 992[07:26:11] <tom99> pingfloyd, I thought as much
• 993[07:26:11] <tom99> lol how do you install linux on an Apple //c is what I want to know there
• 994[07:26:38] <iKarith> pingfloyd: there are a few books that stand the test of time.
• 995[07:26:45] <pingfloyd> you mean IIc?
• 996[07:26:53] <iKarith> pingfloyd: books.
• 997[07:26:54] <maxcell_> somiaj, i want to install the latest nvidia_driver from the website. It install the 64bit libraries and the driver work but it cant install the 32bit libraries because it cant find the Path (directory) where it should install them. And yes, i did activate the multiarch with dpkg that bot gave to me when i try to install the driver few weaks ago
• 998[07:26:56] <iKarith> on linux
• 999[07:27:10] <iKarith> The //c I still use today. And the IIgs :D
• 1000[07:27:23] <somiaj> maxcell_: what do you mean from the website? You are installing the drivers from nvidia.com and not using the debian packages. You should really be using debian packages. It is much cleaner.
• 1001[07:27:28] <tom99> Like a minimum requirement of a book would be at least it tells you some things about the / that you don't know
• 1002[07:27:40] <tom99> like how to link against the things in /usr/include or about where libraries go
• 1003[07:27:51] <tom99> but i doubt there are any such
• 1004[07:28:00] <somiaj> maxcell_: multiarch is for debian packages and how debian choose to split up 32bit and 64bit apps. I'm unsure if that is what is needed for the offical nvidia.com drivers.
• 1005[07:28:48] <iKarith> tom99: how in-depth do you need the book to be?
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• 1007[07:29:19] <pingfloyd> here's a hint: any book with a title like X in Y amount time is probably shit
• 1008[07:29:58] <iKarith> tom99: replaced-url
• 1009[07:30:47] <maxcell_> somiaj, not in this particulary case. See, to install the real latest driver you need experimental repository, and i dont want to mess up the apt-get because it will become a mass if i mixed testing stuffs with experimental stuffs so i just find so much better to just ./nvidia_driver.sh the only problem is, it cant find the 32bits libraries folder and, when i try to manually "say" to the driver to install the 32bits libraries in /usr/lib it doesnt work
• 1010[07:30:47] <maxcell_> aswell. The system doesnt find the 32bits libraries. (The driver run a test in the end of the install, in the test, 32bits libraries doesnt work)
• 1011[07:31:00] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 1012[07:31:01] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 361.45.18-2; sid/non-free: 361.45.18-2; experimental/non-free: 367.44-1
• 1013[07:31:11] <tom99> iKarith: yeah i have that already iKarith, just wondered if there was any other broadly linux books to check out
• 1014[07:31:17] <somiaj> maxcell_: What video card do you have?
• 1015[07:31:31] <tom99> i didn't think there were just checking
• 1016[07:31:39] <maxcell_> somiaj, gtx 970
• 1017[07:31:41] <iKarith> New Riders used to have some good ones, but they've been borged into Pearson along with Peachpit Press.
• 1018[07:31:43] <tom99> i think there's a "Linux Device Drivers for Dummies" book somewhere
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• 1021[07:32:24] <iKarith> Most books published by O'Reilly are at least not horse crap.
• 1022[07:32:35] <somiaj> maxcell_: short answer. nvidia.com's drivers are not supported here (only the debian packages). More complete answer, nvidia.com drivers don't play nicely with dpkg and even if you get them installed, upgrades and the likes can and will erease some of the nvidia.com files and break your drivers.
• 1023[07:32:49] <maxcell_> somiaj, is just wanna know where Debian installs the 32bit libraries and where i can put it that makes the system notest it is there and find it and work with it... where is the default folder for 32bit libraries in debian?
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• 1025[07:33:10] <tom99> iKarith: ah ok, i don't want to read horse crap for sure.
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• 1027[07:33:41] <somiaj> maxcell_: the gtk 970 is supported by the 352.79 drivers in jessie-backports. Have you tried that option.
• 1028[07:33:44] <maxcell_> somiaj, that not a problem, if it break i just have to install again...
• 1029[07:34:10] <pingfloyd> s/if/when
• 1030[07:34:33] <iKarith> tom99: O'Reilly and No Starch are two publishers I highly recommend.
• 1031[07:34:53] <maxcell_> somiaj, i know it is, but you get fundamental improvements with the latest version 367. in a simple glxgears test you can get 5.000fps more than the 352 version of the driver...
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• 1033[07:35:04] <pingfloyd> yeah, O'Reilly books seem like some of the better when it comes to printed books
• 1034[07:35:07] <somiaj> maxcell_: the libs are located in /lib/i386-linux-gnu
• 1035[07:35:31] <pingfloyd> they often have a lot of errors in my experiences, but that's not a big deal, just go to their site and read through the errata
• 1036[07:35:36] <pingfloyd> there
• 1037[07:35:42] <somiaj> maxcell_: have you tried to make your own backports of the squeeze drivers, 365, I ahve also sucessfuly made backports of the drivers from experimential in situations like this. But it has been a while.
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• 1039[07:36:09] <tom99> iKarith: I accept your knowledge and assimilate into my neuromatrix.
• 1040[07:36:13] <somiaj> maxcell_: not squeeze, streetch. sorry.
• 1041[07:36:18] <pingfloyd> at least O'Reilly aren't blind leading the blind books and low on fluff
• 1042[07:36:20] <tom99> is Apress or Microsoft press ever good?
• 1043[07:36:42] <somiaj> notes, this is a debian support channel, try to keep vaglue on topic. Thank you. (:
• 1044[07:37:02] <maxcell_> somiaj, i dont know how to do that
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• 1046[07:37:14] <maxcell_> :(
• 1047[07:37:46] <somiaj> !tell maxcell_ about ssb
• 1048[07:37:58] <somiaj> maxcell_: skip the line about check for backports. Think you could try to follow those instructions.
• 1049[07:38:23] <somiaj> maxcell_: there is one complication. You'll have to build the 32bit packages inside a 32bit chroot.
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• 1051[07:39:33] <tom99> no starch has a book on debian. Coincidence?
• 1052[07:39:34] <tom99> replaced-url
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• 1056[07:41:24] <somiaj> maxcell_: nvidia.com has support formus. maybe you can find a post there about how to install the 32bit libaries on a debian system if you don't mind reinstalling each time dpkg breaks it.
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• 1063[07:44:24] <maxcell_> somiaj, i have to say, im not a developer and, that wasnt easy or simple. I will raedy the instructions, because im curious and i want to know now but, before i try that, i will install 32bit libs from the nvidia_driver to /lib/i386-linux-gnu folder i think it can work. About the nvidia forums, im here to know about debian system itself, like i asked you i wanna know where Debian looking for the 32bit libs on his system thats all. I just wanna know how
• 1064[07:44:24] <maxcell_> Debian works after all to demystifying that in order to make me understand to become familiar to me..
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• 1068[07:45:19] <somiaj> maxcell_: that's fine, I was just trying to see if a debian solution would work and point you to a place you may be able to search for a solution to your problem.
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• 1071[07:46:39] <tom99> hmm is there a book discussing building a 32 bit package in a debian chroot?
• 1072[07:47:05] <iKarith> tom99: I did LOL at the top of nostarch.com: 50% off ebooks this weekend with promo code JUSTBECAUSE
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• 1074[07:47:30] <iKarith> tom99: They're obviously _not_ a large corporate publisher. ;)
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• 1077[07:47:59] <maxcell_> somiaj, the only solution that exists in the web in this present moment is to enable the experimental repository and install the latest driver from there with apt-get... I just dont understand why it has to be a .deb package if the only thing its wrong with the binary driver from the site is that he cant find the real place to install the 32bits libraries and i can "tell him" the path myself but i didnt know too, because i dont understand hw the system
• 1078[07:48:00] <maxcell_> works
• 1079[07:48:44] <somiaj> maxcell_: lots of solutions are written tworads the debian solution. Though building a package from experimential is a better solution than installing one.
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• 1084[07:49:53] <somiaj> maxcell_: and the experiential solution is just fine for testing/unstable users. But jessie users usually have to do more work for newer hardware.
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• 1086[07:50:29] <maxcell_> somiaj, can i build a package from the binary driver itself and install with dpkg?
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• 1088[07:50:42] <somiaj> maxcell_: that is the backport solution I was trying to point you at
• 1089[07:51:11] <tom99> there is a Learning Debian GNU/Linux from O'Reilly dated 1999
• 1090[07:51:28] <maxcell_> somiaj, i thought you were talling me to install the driver from backport repo, but it isnt the latest one
• 1091[07:51:52] <Guest> thats not to old
• 1092[07:52:19] <maxcell_> the latest is way better, in performance
• 1093[07:52:23] <Guest> man pages are the best way to lean about debian
• 1094[07:52:36] <somiaj> maxcell_: once you explained you have tried it, I then said you could build your own packge from the source from experiemental, and had the bot send you isntructions. Though there is a small wrikel for building the 32bit packages on a 64 bit system
• 1095[07:52:39] <tom99> Guest: obvious troll is obvious
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• 1097[07:53:01] <han-solo> man pages?
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• 1102[07:55:42] <maxcell_> somiaj, yeah, thank you for that somiaj i appreciate the hint and i will read and learn more about it. May i ask you one final question tho? I will need to install a 32bit debian.iso and chroot it from my actual 64bit version?
• 1103[07:55:52] <tom99> man pages in my experience provide about the same level of information as programName --help does
• 1104[07:56:21] <han-solo> are you guys talking about the shell?
• 1105[07:56:23] <somiaj> maxcell_: replaced-url
• 1106[07:56:30] <somiaj> maxcell_: just read the notes in the instructions.
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• 1116[07:59:54] <maxcell_> somiaj, ok somiaj thank you for now appreciate that
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• 1135[08:11:21] <maxcell_> somiaj, we have this driver in this SVN site replaced-url
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• 1137[08:13:02] <iKarith> tom99: The Linux Command Line (No Starch) is kind of a basic guide if you're used to the GUI. Linux Pocket Guide (O'Reilly) is a pocket-sized cheatsheet for for looking up how to get common tasks done. I don't recommend O'Reilly's Linux Essentials--too many topics to be any good at covering any in depth.
• 1138[08:13:40] <tom99> iKarith: ah so you don't think books can get into too depth
• 1139[08:13:42] <tom99> makes sense
• 1140[08:14:31] <iKarith> I think that some books cover too many things to do a good job covering anything well.
• 1141[08:14:38] <tom99> right
• 1142[08:14:45] <tom99> like that thing above about compiling some svn thing or other
• 1143[08:14:46] <iKarith> THAT book spends time talking about choosing the right power supply for your PC.
• 1144[08:14:48] <tom99> might not be in a book
• 1145[08:15:00] <iKarith> it can't do that and teach you to use the vi editor.
• 1146[08:15:06] <iKarith> Not well anyway :D
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• 1148[08:15:26] <tom99> lol
• 1149[08:15:39] <iKarith> and it's targeted toward a certification program
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• 1151[08:15:45] <iKarith> we all know what those are worth :P
• 1152[08:15:50] <tom99> lol
• 1153[08:15:56] <tom99> well i figure if i hang out here and ask questions and read wikis then i'll learn
• 1154[08:16:17] <tom99> maybe i can barter with people who come into the channel. i'll help them with their problem if they teach me something or i get something out of solving it
• 1155[08:16:22] <tom99> idk if that makes any sense
• 1156[08:16:49] <iKarith> looking for a good/current book that covers the actual admin tasks beyond the basics
• 1157[08:16:56] <maxcell_> somiaj, btw, i didnt mean when i say debian wasnt simple. the problem is that im not that smart so, when all you gotta do is "apt-get install" is very simple right but, when i get a problem that you can't understand it becomes hard because you aren't actually ready for it. know?
• 1158[08:16:59] <tom99> i'll stick to debian handbook for now i guess
• 1159[08:17:08] <tom99> unless i want to learn german to read that one debian book
• 1160[08:17:39] <iKarith> Linux in a Nutshell was useful back in the day, but it was last updated too long ago to be useful. We have systemd now.
• 1161[08:17:42] <tom99> Debian Gnu/Linux: Das umfassende Handbuch
• 1162[08:18:02] <LostSoul> Hi
• 1163[08:18:10] <LostSoul> I have strange issue
• 1164[08:18:15] <maxcell_> somiaj, "when i get a problem that i cant understand" my english sucks hard
• 1165[08:18:45] <LostSoul> I can connect to server via ssh. To LDAP users and local too. When I logged on server via local user I was able to do so, LDAP nope.
• 1166[08:19:05] <iKarith> There's not really anything current for Debian 8 from O'Reilly, and Debian 7 is going to be pre-systemd
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• 1168[08:19:17] <LostSoul> I don't have root password to this server, LDAP server is working (I'm getting user list over getent passwd)
• 1169[08:19:35] <LostSoul> network is also working on this machine
• 1170[08:19:48] <LostSoul> How and were I can debug this? This stopped to work out of sudden
• 1171[08:19:52] <tom99> But iKarith, learning how the pre-systemd startup scripts work could be useful
• 1172[08:19:58] <tom99> say if debugging or managing an older system
• 1173[08:20:58] <LostSoul> I can't connect via SSH *
• 1174[08:21:06] <LostSoul> ssh deamon is working
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• 1179[08:25:20] <LostSoul> Any tips, how to debug this? :)
• 1180[08:25:24] <LostSoul> I can shut it down and restart root password but I would like to find reason before doing so
• 1181[08:25:52] <iKarith> tom99: There is a book on Debian wheezy that's useful, but if I were recommending books for a new Linux user who wanted to learn how their system worked, I'd start with The Linux Command Line and recommend The Debian Administrator's Handbook and then come back to No Starch for Python Crash Course.
• 1182[08:26:34] <iKarith> I recommend that over Dive Into Python 3, because it's one book that covers both Python 2 and 3, and despite the effort to kill off Python 2 as soon as possible, it's going to be with us for years.
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• 1184[08:27:31] <tom99> sounds like a bitter divorce
• 1185[08:27:46] <iKarith> You could (and many would suggest you should) prefer a good book on Ruby, but I find Python is more widely used/understood.
• 1186[08:27:59] <iKarith> Well, Python 2 is poor at things like unicode
• 1187[08:28:02] <tom99> Like what do you do if you clone your wife into Wife2.0 but wife1.0 doesn't want to leave? you're stuck
• 1188[08:28:19] <iKarith> The changes that make Python 3 good at it ... make it kind of incompatible.
• 1189[08:28:58] <tom99> when you say "linux command line" what do you mean exactly?
• 1190[08:28:59] <iKarith> But that incompatibility has forced a divide on one side or the other where new stuff isn't available for Python 2, and old stuff never got ported to Python 3.
• 1191[08:29:06] <tom99> there are a lot of books that have that title similar
• 1192[08:29:14] <iKarith> Lemme find the book
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• 1194[08:30:37] <iKarith> tom99: replaced-url
• 1195[08:31:35] <iKarith> tom99: if you are needing a book for even a few of those topics, I can recommend that one. It's a little more approachable than the Debian Administrator's Handbook, which seems to kinda assume this kind of knowledge as a prerequisite.
• 1196[08:33:45] <tom99> hmm interesting
• 1197[08:34:14] <tom99> yeah i'm just kind of blindly trusting in what you say
• 1198[08:34:18] <tom99> but i don't really have any alternative
• 1199[08:34:25] <tom99> there's a million and one linux books out there
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• 1201[08:35:13] <iKarith> Well, the advantage of the Debian Administrator's Handbook is that it's a free book... Have a look, if you feel like you need something more generalized to using the shell first, it's there.
• 1202[08:35:34] <iKarith> There's also some online resources for that, but some folks like the book.
• 1203[08:35:54] <tom99> true enough, it does look like a good intro
• 1204[08:36:30] <tom99> i figure if i know c,lisp, bash, and python then i can understand anything in linux. lol.
• 1205[08:36:32] <iKarith> You can also read Dive Into Python freely. (Both Python 2 and 3 versions are in Jessie, though the Python 2 version has been pulled in Stretch)
• 1206[08:37:12] <iKarith> If you know your way around C, lisp, python, and bash, you should be able to figure out systemd. And if you can figure out systemd, you're good.
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• 1208[08:37:29] <iKarith> systemd ... I have a love/hate relationship with systemd. Except without much love.
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• 1211[08:40:19] <tom99> lol
• 1212[08:40:57] <pingfloyd> systemd isn't that hard to use, it just sucks
• 1213[08:41:54] <preaction> there's too many flavors of systemd for my liking. debian gnu/systemd, redhat gnu/systemd, fedora gnu/systemd...
• 1214[08:42:14] <maxcell_> it does?
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• 1217[08:44:35] <tom99> gnu slash leenux
• 1218[08:45:04] <han-solo> i like systemd
• 1219[08:45:14] <han-solo> hasn't it overthrown sysvint?
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• 1224[08:48:35] <somiaj> maxcell_: I haven't tried to build it, but I woudl assume it is. I did notice some notes about modifications you will have to do to get it to build in jessie. But nothing that says it won't build
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• 1226[08:51:04] <maxcell_> somiaj, yeah i think it will work well... thanks bro very nice
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• 1233[08:56:45] <opensuse_> Hello! My name is Pierre, and I formally request the source code of the software "Debian". Admin, please paste it in the chat.
• 1234[08:56:54] <opensuse_> Failure to do so will result in a lawsuit.
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• 1237[08:58:09] <han-solo> bha!
• 1238[08:58:19] <pingfloyd> opensuse_: are you trolling or really that dumb?
• 1239[08:58:45] <TomTomTo1> don't feed them.
• 1240[08:58:50] <opensuse_> Call me Pierre, I am an open source code dev from Paris. I will not tolerate slander.
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• 1245[09:00:33] <han-solo> that could have been fun!
• 1246[09:01:01] <maxcell_> lol
• 1247[09:01:04] <jelly> no fun in here, just support
• 1248[09:01:15] <han-solo> :)
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• 1250[09:03:39] <han-solo> Norfolk-Portsmouth, VA
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• 1276[09:19:13] <tom99> oh +q is like +b ??
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• 1278[09:20:34] <iflema> tom99: one read-only the other... only
• 1279[09:21:24] <nkuttler> tom99: +q is just muted, +b prevents from joining. #freenode for questions about the network
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• 1345[10:03:59] <Guest> Can you run debian with a dual core intel cpu
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• 1348[10:04:39] <han-solo> yes
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• 1350[10:06:48] <Guest> What about kde?
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• 1360[10:10:50] <antoine__> Hello everybody. Someone might help me : I have made a fresh install of lmde2 (mint debian edition) several months ago with /, /swap, /home and /data (just personnal files) partitions. I recently noticed that I've downloaded the 32bits iso instead of the 64 bits. Can I just reinstall the 64 bits lmde2 on the / partition and keep my /home or I need a entire fresh install ?
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• 1364[10:11:25] <antoine__> Hello everybody. Someone might help me : I have made a fresh install of lmde2 several months ago with /, /swap, /home and /data partitions. I recently noticed that I've downloaded the 32bits iso instead of the 64 bits. Can I just reinstall the 64 bits lmde2 on the / partition and keep my /home or I need a fresh install ?
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• 1390[10:21:28] <ullf> Hi
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• 1404[10:31:28] <ajax_> Hello,
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• 1410[10:36:20] <Joost> I'm on debian jessie, and for one wifi network (unfortunately, my home network) my connection keeps dropping every now and again
• 1411[10:36:35] <Joost> it'll report that it's still connected to the router, but I don't have network connectivity
• 1412[10:37:04] <Joost> other devices do have connectivitiy at the time, and disabling/re-enabling wifi (via the gnome menu item) gets it going for another few minutes..
• 1413[10:37:08] <Joost> any suggestions on how to approach this?
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• 1445[11:01:01] <tom99> Joost, did someone answer your question yet?
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• 1463[11:14:21] <ryonaloli> i'm having trouble installing an unstable package on debian stable. i'm following the advice in replaced-url
• 1464[11:14:44] <ryonaloli> if i try to apt-get dist-upgrade, many packeges try to upgrade, which makes it seem like it's not doing what it's advertised to do
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• 1466[11:17:51] <babilen> Yes, dependency problems are to be expected if you mix stable with unstable.
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• 1470[11:18:40] <babilen> And it is a setup we do not recommend in general. You can either use backported packages, backport them yourself or upgrade to a testing/unstable mix
• 1471[11:18:54] <ryonaloli> babilen: the package i want to install is unlikely to have dependency problems. it's the kernel.
• 1472[11:19:03] <ryonaloli> however the issues are occuring when i apt-get update.
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• 1474[11:19:10] <ryonaloli> before i try to insall anything
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• 1478[11:19:31] <babilen> Just like last time: Little can be done without actual configuration and output
• 1479[11:19:52] <ryonaloli> actual configuration is exactly as provided in that link. i'll upload the output, one sec.
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• 1481[11:20:23] <babilen> So you opted for the pinning configuration rather than the much simpler default release?
• 1482[11:21:02] <ryonaloli> i can't use the default release. i need an unstable package.
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• 1484[11:21:44] <TomTomTo1> which one?
• 1485[11:21:46] <babilen> I was referring to setting the default release not to exclusively using it
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• 1487[11:21:54] <ryonaloli> output: replaced-url
• 1488[11:22:05] <ryonaloli> babilen: i'm not sure what you mean.
• 1489[11:22:16] <ryonaloli> TomTomTo1: linux-image-grsec-amd64
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• 1491[11:22:40] <babilen> ryonaloli: You'll need a newer apt version for DepCompareOp
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• 1493[11:22:51] <babilen> It's a warning though, not an error
• 1494[11:23:03] <babilen> (but one of many things that don't quite fit together)
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• 1496[11:23:22] <ryonaloli> so then when i try to dist-upgrade, it wants to upgrade a large number of packages. i don't want to upgrade to the latest experimental or anything like that.
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• 1498[11:23:45] <TomTomTo1> ryonaloli: that package exists in jessie-backports and has the same version as sid.
• 1499[11:23:59] <babilen> ryonaloli: It is likely that your pinning scheme is wrong then
• 1500[11:24:02] <linuxthefish> hi, what package do i need on debian 7 to use smbpasswd?
• 1501[11:24:02] <ryonaloli> TomTomTo1: ok, so i should use backports instead?
• 1502[11:24:06] <babilen> Yes, sure
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• 1504[11:24:24] <babilen> Mixing stable with testing/unstable is really not recommended
• 1505[11:24:33] <babilen> And there are always backports of the kernel
• 1506[11:24:37] <babilen> dpkg: bdo kernel
• 1507[11:24:37] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
• 1508[11:25:06] <babilen> judd: provides linux-image-grsec-amd64 --release jessie-backports
• 1509[11:25:08] <judd> Package linux-image-grsec-amd64 in jessie-backports/amd64 provides no additional packages.
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• 1512[11:25:27] <babilen> judd: depends linux-image-grsec-amd64 --release jessie-backports
• 1513[11:25:28] <judd> Package linux-image-grsec-amd64 in jessie-backports/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64.
• 1514[11:25:35] <babilen> judd: v linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64
• 1515[11:25:35] <peterrooney> linuxthefish: apt-file can tell you which package provides a file.
• 1516[11:25:36] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.6.3-1+grsec201607062159+1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.6.4-1+grsec201607242014+1
• 1517[11:25:40] <peterrooney> !apt-file
• 1518[11:25:40] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
• 1519[11:26:28] <linuxthefish> peterrooney thanks! i needed samba-common-bin, that should be added the list of things to install on replaced-url
• 1520[11:26:42] <jchuck> hi, my pc not simulate the right click when i click two fingers
• 1521[11:26:44] <babilen> linuxthefish: Add it yourself! :)
• 1522[11:27:05] <linuxthefish> babilen i can't edit!
• 1523[11:27:17] <babilen> Why not?
• 1524[11:27:23] <babilen> Are you sure you logged in?
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• 1526[11:30:28] <kaddeb> i have an issue about lirc, it stop working after few momemnt, i restarted it but nothing happen
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• 1528[11:31:28] <jchuck> someone know help me ?
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• 1532[11:32:04] <kaddeb> jchuck, what do you mean by simulate?
• 1533[11:33:32] <jchuck> kaddeb, i want when i click in the touchpad by two fingers simulate the right click
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• 1535[11:34:41] <babilen> jchuck: If it's a synaptics one it should be pretty straightforward: replaced-url
• 1536[11:34:58] <babilen> You can play around with synclient or xinput
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• 1539[11:35:31] <kaddeb> jchuck, i don't know how touchpad works, but you can simulate both keyboard and mouse with xdotool
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• 1547[11:42:42] <kaddeb> anyone use lirc?
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• 1564[11:51:49] <jchuck> i see SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad by xinput
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• 1570[11:55:05] <jchuck> i don't have synclient
• 1571[11:55:23] <jchuck> and synclient isn't in repository
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• 1574[11:57:02] <ryonaloli> is there a way i can force installation of udev? it seems to require CONFIG_FHANDLE, which is not enabled in the 4.3.0 kernel which debian jessie is running on
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• 1576[11:57:26] <ryonaloli> however if i recall from gentoo, it doesn't in fact need fhandle support
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• 1578[11:58:04] <pyvpx> is it possible for the preseed cfg file to be fetched via tftp?
• 1579[11:58:16] <pyvpx> the documentation I find seems conflicting/incomplete on that question
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• 1604[12:14:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> pyvpx, I don't see anything about that in replaced-url
• 1605[12:14:49] <jchuck> i have libinput
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• 1607[12:15:02] <jchuck> not synaptics
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• 1609[12:15:08] <jchuck> debian 9
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• 1614[12:16:53] <teraflops> jchuck: take a look at replaced-url
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• 1617[12:19:50] <jchuck> teraflops, my options that number is ?
• 1618[12:19:58] <jchuck> for to enable it
• 1619[12:20:21] <teraflops> jchuck: libinput will show what features supports your device. idk about your device
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• 1621[12:20:42] <teraflops> every device has different features
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• 1624[12:21:07] <jchuck> teraflops, my device support this function
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• 1626[12:21:11] <jchuck> in debian 8
• 1627[12:21:13] <teraflops> jchuck: if youre not fine with libinput uninstall it
• 1628[12:21:14] <jchuck> work
• 1629[12:21:34] <teraflops> yeah debian jessie does not use libinput
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• 1631[12:21:41] <jchuck> yes
• 1632[12:21:58] <jchuck> i can remove libinput ?
• 1633[12:22:04] <teraflops> yas as you agree or yes as it uses libinput?
• 1634[12:22:05] <jchuck> and use synaptics
• 1635[12:22:17] <teraflops> jchuck: sure reinstall synaptics
• 1636[12:22:26] <teraflops> and evdev
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• 1638[12:23:01] <jchuck> teraflops, i installed synaptics
• 1639[12:23:19] <jchuck> but the system use libinput
• 1640[12:23:49] <teraflops> jchuck: gnome?
• 1641[12:23:58] <jchuck> cinnamon
• 1642[12:24:09] <teraflops> ah that crap. no offense
• 1643[12:24:30] <jchuck> loool
• 1644[12:24:34] <teraflops> jchuck: teinstall evdev and synaptics uninstall libinput and restart xorg
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• 1646[12:24:38] <jchuck> why ? :D
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• 1648[12:24:45] * kaddeb can't get lirc to work inside debian
• 1649[12:25:04] <pyvpx> CutMeOwnThroat: replaced-url
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• 1652[12:25:24] <pyvpx> mentioned tftp:// and there is an old bug that indicates tftp was added in '09
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• 1655[12:25:31] <pyvpx> I guess I'm the only nutter in here trying to do tis
• 1656[12:25:32] <teraflops> if liginput is a dep and you cannot uninstall it go create a xorg snippet for synaptics
• 1657[12:25:32] <pyvpx> this*
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• 1659[12:26:10] <teraflops> jchuck: why? nah sorry I'm a hater
• 1660[12:26:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> pyvpx, I see… well, try it, looks as if at least someone writing the documentation thinks it's supported :P
• 1661[12:26:30] <pyvpx> indeed.
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• 1666[12:27:15] <jchuck> teraflops, that desktop enviroment use ?
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• 1668[12:27:52] <teraflops> I do wm not de
• 1669[12:27:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> and it is probably still underdocumented… but I think it was much worse… and documentation mainly consisted of an example preseed file
• 1670[12:28:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I may be wrong, I never needed it
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• 1672[12:30:11] <jchuck> teraflops, which ?
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• 1680[12:31:28] <ryonaloli> how well does debian survive without udev?
• 1681[12:31:43] <Joost> tom99: nope
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• 1683[12:32:10] <ryonaloli> is it even able to boot?
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• 1719[12:52:13] <cek> I'm having troubles with nfs
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• 1721[12:52:20] <cek> happening recently after kernel upgrade i guess
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• 1725[12:53:15] <cek> not sure what to think. nothing was changed aside from kernel & reboot :/
• 1726[12:53:23] <kaddeb> things always happen after upgrade
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• 1731[12:55:26] <debian173> How often do you upgrade your server
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• 1733[12:55:49] <cek> issue is in createrepo that started seeing 0 sized files & data corruption
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• 1735[12:56:34] <cek> it's either ac acting up or something is wrong with src FS, but I've checked it and it's pretty fine
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• 1751[13:06:39] <ryonaloli> can someone help me get udev on jessie installed, using jessie-backports?
• 1752[13:07:04] <ryonaloli> or actually, simply forcing udev to install should be enough, since grsec has the config options udev demands
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• 1758[13:10:00] <ryonaloli> i tried creating /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade, as i saw on a mailing list, but this did not work
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• 1760[13:11:45] <Silvering> Hi everyone! I just started my dedicated server running on debian 8 ! A wordpress website is running, and I'm trying to deploy a django project. The WP website is working fine, but the impossible to access to django website. nginx and apache are running on this server : netstat -tlpn returns : replaced-url
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• 1762[13:13:02] <Silvering> I followed this tutorial replaced-url
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• 1768[13:15:22] <ryonaloli> even using dpkg --force-all -i on the udev .deb doesn't work
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• 1771[13:17:25] <atralheaven> does ubuntu stable use grub2 or 1?
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• 1775[13:19:03] <ryonaloli> try #ubuntu
• 1776[13:19:30] <abrotman> ryonaloli: what's the full package name of the udev package you're trying to install?
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• 1778[13:19:57] <ryonaloli> abrotman: udev_230-7~bpo8+2_amd64.deb (for the deb file)
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• 1781[13:20:54] <atralheaven> oh sorry I meant debian :D because I asked same question on ubuntu channel, it mixed up
• 1782[13:20:55] <ryonaloli> i'm going to reboot into a kernel soon that has the config options it requires, but right now, i'm on a kernel which does not. unfortunately, in order to install said kernel, that udev must be installed.
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• 1784[13:21:21] <atralheaven> ubuntu stable :)) I meant debian stable!
• 1785[13:22:40] <abrotman> atralheaven: grub2 by default on Jessie
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• 1787[13:23:57] <ryonaloli> abrotman: so i just need to force it to ignore the kernel configuration checks, and i should be good to go.
• 1788[13:24:11] <abrotman> why? what's wrong with your kernel
• 1789[13:24:12] <abrotman> ?
• 1790[13:24:45] <ryonaloli> abrotman: the kernel does not support CONFIG_FHANDLE, which the udev my new kernel requires.
• 1791[13:25:02] <ryonaloli> so in order to install the new kernel, which does have CONFIG_FHANDLE, i need to install udev, which refuses to install without CONFIG_HANDLE.
• 1792[13:25:38] <ryonaloli> if i force the CONFIG_FHANDLE-requiring udev, then i will be able to install the CONFIG_FHANDLE-providing kernel, and i can reboot into a consistent and happy system.
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• 1800[13:29:02] <ryonaloli> i don't get why dpkg --force-all -i wouldn't work though. i'd think that should force it even if the kernel config checks fail.
• 1801[13:29:42] <tom99> what does the ~bpo8 mean?
• 1802[13:30:52] <babilen> It means that it is a backport for jessie
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• 1804[13:31:27] <babilen> ryonaloli: What happened to your udev in the first place?
• 1805[13:31:44] <ryonaloli> babilen: installing grsecurity wants to bring in a backported udev
• 1806[13:31:46] <ryonaloli> apparently
• 1807[13:31:57] <babilen> Yes, I said that would happen
• 1808[13:32:11] <ryonaloli> does debian have an equivalent of gentoo's package.mask?
• 1809[13:32:26] <tom99> babilen: backports only go from the next version up right? so a bpo8 would mean it's from stretch, a bpo7 would mean it's from jessie but FOR wheezy?
• 1810[13:32:27] <ryonaloli> to mask and disable a package?
• 1811[13:32:39] <babilen> ryonaloli: So you are using the stock jessie kernel right now and you can't install the backports grsec kernel package from jessie-backports?
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• 1814[13:32:49] <ryonaloli> babilen: correct.
• 1815[13:33:12] <babilen> tom99: That would be correct (there are, however, also sloppy backports from stretch to wheezy)
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• 1817[13:33:19] <ryonaloli> because the stock jessie kernel does not have a config option which the jessie-backports grsec kernel's dependency needs.
• 1818[13:33:25] <tom99> babilen: right, thanks
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• 1820[13:34:07] <babilen> ryonaloli: So, could you show me the output of "dpkg -l|grep linux-image" along with that of "apt -t jessie-backports install linux-image-grsec-amd64" on replaced-url
• 1821[13:34:23] <abrotman> ryonaloli: why aren't you using the Debian kernel?
• 1822[13:34:49] <ryonaloli> abrotman: currently i am. i would like to install the grsecurity kernel (which is the debian kernel, with additional patches)
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• 1825[13:35:24] * abrotman thought grsec was kind of dead ..
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• 1827[13:35:58] <babilen> That was my impression too, but I haven't revised that impression in quite a while
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• 1829[13:36:17] <ryonaloli> replaced-url
• 1830[13:36:21] <ryonaloli> why would grsec be dead?
• 1831[13:36:26] <ryonaloli> it's still very active and updated frequently
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• 1834[13:36:43] <babilen> Okay, good
• 1835[13:37:09] <babilen> ryonaloli: What does "uname -a" give you?
• 1836[13:37:24] <ryonaloli> Linux server.domain.com 4.3.0 #1 SMP Tue Nov 3 20:39:07 MSK 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1838[13:37:42] <[1]tom99> is there any reason to use sed when perl or python can always do the same tasks?
• 1839[13:37:51] <babilen> ryonaloli: Is this a virtual machine/VPS ?
• 1840[13:37:52] <teraflops> nice hostname :P
• 1841[13:38:01] <ryonaloli> babilen: it is
• 1842[13:38:17] <ryonaloli> a vps
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• 1844[13:39:22] <[1]tom99> i'm going to read the debian handbook and i wondered which of the tools are that important to know
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• 1846[13:39:27] <[1]tom99> sed,awk,etc
• 1847[13:39:28] <babilen> ryonaloli: Could it be OpenVZ?
• 1848[13:39:32] <ryonaloli> babilen: kvm
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• 1850[13:39:47] <ryonaloli> i could not install a new kernel on an openvz system
• 1851[13:39:59] <babilen> ryonaloli: Well, that kernel isn't a Debian kernel and you seem to be using some bastardised image there... in fact you don't have a single Debian kernel package installed.
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• 1854[13:40:18] <babilen> Yes, it doesn't surprise me that it didn't work on OpenVZ
• 1855[13:40:23] <ryonaloli> well it's "QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.3.0"
• 1856[13:40:28] <ryonaloli> certainly not openvz
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• 1858[13:40:39] <babilen> So, where's that 4.3 kernel from?
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• 1860[13:40:40] <ryonaloli> and i bought a kvm image. in fact, i upgraded recently from a 3.x kernel to 4.x
• 1861[13:40:52] <babilen> dpkg: show sources.list
• 1862[13:40:52] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
• 1863[13:41:00] <babilen> ryonaloli: humour us ^ :)
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• 1865[13:41:59] <ryonaloli> replaced-url
• 1866[13:42:07] <babilen> Oh, and "dpkg -l udev|tail -n1"
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• 1868[13:42:20] <ryonaloli> that gives "ic udev 175-7.2 amd64 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon"
• 1869[13:42:29] <babilen> ryonaloli: line 22 is problematic
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• 1875[13:42:59] <babilen> ryonaloli: That's a *severely* outdated udev version. Could it be that you upgraded that VPS from an older Debian release?
• 1876[13:43:17] <ryonaloli> babilen: yes. i asked my vps provider for debian 8. then checked debian_release, and it was 7.11
• 1877[13:43:21] <babilen> (re: line 22, don't use 'stable' but codenames)
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• 1879[13:43:57] <babilen> ryonaloli: You have to ugprade properly to jessie first and the output of replaced-url
• 1880[13:44:01] <babilen> judd: v udev
• 1881[13:44:02] <judd> Package: udev on amd64 -- wheezy: 175-7.2; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 215-17+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 231-4; sid: 231-6
• 1882[13:44:47] <ryonaloli> (oh it says xen, thought i bought kvm, oops)
• 1883[13:44:50] <babilen> ryonaloli: I'd start by upgrading to jessie and installing the stock jessie kernel ...
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• 1885[13:45:04] <babilen> ryonaloli: Is it PV or HVM ?
• 1886[13:45:05] <ryonaloli> babilen: when i looked in the lists, it said wheezy
• 1887[13:45:15] <babilen> Well ., it's a clusterfuck
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• 1890[13:45:49] <ryonaloli> dunno if it's PV or HVM. would that be visible in /proc/cpuinfo?
• 1891[13:45:49] <babilen> It might very well boot from a kernel and VM that resides outside the VM
• 1892[13:45:52] <ryonaloli> or lspci?
• 1893[13:46:20] <shiin> I accidentally installed Linux vmm 4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64 when I only wanted the version without grsec. It was to fix a bug in the module for the intel e1000 network card. How do I install the non-grsec version of 4.6.0?
• 1894[13:46:50] <ryonaloli> gah, and here someone *accidentally* installed grsec. i have no luck today.
• 1895[13:47:57] <shiin> I have been fretting over having to update the kernel since it's a root server I like to rely on, but occasionally the driver just dies and doesn't recover.
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• 1897[13:48:18] <babilen> ryonaloli: Talk to your VPS provider .. I guess that they are using pygrub and that they just have you boot an external kernel.
• 1898[13:48:20] <shiin> So what I did was sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-4.6
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• 1904[13:49:03] <babilen> shiin: That package doesn't exist
• 1905[13:49:33] <babilen> judd: v linux-image-amd64
• 1906[13:49:34] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.6+74; sid: 4.7+75
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• 1908[13:49:49] <ryonaloli> babilen: i can't easily talk to them. they're russian and speak very little english. about the most i can say is "please reinstall" and such. even if they boot into an external kernel, it still ends up booting into the kernel i want them to, since it's not booting into that xen kernel.
• 1909[13:50:20] <ryonaloli> when i first got the server, it had linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 as the kernel, rather than the xen ones.
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• 1912[13:50:53] <ryonaloli> (the xen ones might be there to assist them with debugging, if they have to enter my server to manage it)
• 1913[13:50:56] <babilen> ryonaloli: Well, I don't know how I can help you. Your VPS needs help from your hoster.
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• 1916[13:51:10] <shiin> babilen: this is exactly the command I entered
• 1917[13:51:13] <babilen> judd: v linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64.
• 1918[13:51:15] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64.' was found in amd64.
• 1919[13:51:26] <ryonaloli> babilen: wouldn't it be enough if i could force installation of udev? i do after all end up booting into the kernel present in /boot/vmlinuz
• 1920[13:51:40] <babilen> shiin: You could install linux-image-amd64 from jessie-backports
• 1921[13:51:40] <ryonaloli> so i don't see why having grsec there, and udev installed would not work for me.
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• 1926[13:52:23] <ryonaloli> alternatively, i could kexec into the kernel, if i can't boot into it normally.
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• 1928[13:52:33] <babilen> ryonaloli: You definitely want to upgrade that box to jessie first before going further and you need support from your hoster to get a properly support kernel. The one you have right now is some ... well .. no idea ..
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• 1930[13:52:54] <ryonaloli> babilen: well /etc/debian_version says 8.5
• 1931[13:53:05] <shiin> babilen: Okay. Do I first uninstall the current one?
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• 1934[13:53:51] <babilen> ryonaloli: That's just a file shipped in a single package .. it doesn't check the general system setup. Your system is not using a jessie kernel nor does it have the jessie udev version installed. I have no idea what else is wrong there and strongly assume that it is booted with pygrub into a kernel that has been defined outside.
• 1935[13:53:56] <babilen> shiin: You don't have to
• 1936[13:54:06] <ryonaloli> hm
• 1937[13:54:10] <babilen> shiin: In fact i would only remove it once you installed a new one and booted into it
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• 1939[13:54:22] <shiin> Good point.
• 1940[13:54:29] <babilen> :)
• 1941[13:54:39] <ryonaloli> ok, then i guess what i'll try to do is mask the new udev, force grsec installation, and kexec into the grsec kernel.
• 1942[13:54:53] <ryonaloli> (as for the kernel being defined outside, it *is* in /boot)
• 1943[13:55:04] <ryonaloli> 4.3.0, that is
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• 1947[13:55:28] <babilen> ryonaloli: No idea where that kernel came from, but it is definitely not compatible
• 1948[13:55:42] <babilen> (nor has it been installed from a Debian package)
• 1949[13:55:45] <ryonaloli> huh
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• 1952[13:56:01] <babilen> You have to sort out these issues first before even thinking about installing a backported kernel
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• 1955[13:57:02] <ryonaloli> then what about dpkg-deb to unpack the grsec package, so i can kexec into it? wouldn't udev then be ok with installing, since grsec has acceptable configs?
• 1956[13:57:39] <ryonaloli> then add something to a low runlevel which will kexec into the grsec kernel if it's not already booted
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• 1959[13:58:58] <babilen> Why don't you upgrade udev and install a proper Debian kernel for jessie first? What else if listed by "apt update ; apt list --upgradable" ?
• 1960[13:59:11] <shiin> I rebooted after installing that and it still picked the grsec kernel. I guess I have to reconfigure grub now?
• 1961[13:59:38] <babilen> ryonaloli: Forget about the grsec kernel and get that system into shape for jessie (I don't know what it is, but it isn't jessie)
• 1962[13:59:48] <ryonaloli> babilen: there is nothing left to upgrade
• 1963[13:59:49] <babilen> ryonaloli: And where does that 4.3 kernel come from?
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• 1965[14:00:02] <babilen> ryonaloli: Sure, there is at least udev to upgrade
• 1966[14:00:19] <ryonaloli> udev isn't there to upgrade. it's pulled in only if i try to install grsec
• 1967[14:00:23] <ryonaloli> otherwise i have a perfectly compatible udev
• 1968[14:00:33] <babilen> ryonaloli: "apt-cache policy udev"
• 1969[14:00:37] <babilen> No, you don't
• 1970[14:00:40] <babilen> You have 175
• 1971[14:00:54] <babilen> judd: v udev --release jessie
• 1972[14:00:56] <judd> Package: udev on amd64 -- jessie: 215-17+deb8u4
• 1973[14:01:04] <babilen> Which is != 215-17+deb8u4
• 1974[14:01:23] <ryonaloli> well apt-get dist-upgrade shows nothing to upgrade, and it's all jessie in my sources.list
• 1975[14:01:27] <babilen> And please run those commands and show me the upgrade
• 1976[14:01:31] <ryonaloli> i am
• 1977[14:01:37] <ryonaloli> replaced-url
• 1978[14:01:54] <babilen> Ah, you don't have it installed at all
• 1979[14:02:09] <babilen> How convenient .. when did you remove it and where does the 4.3 kernel come from?
• 1980[14:02:23] <babilen> So, start with "apt install udev linux-image-amd64"
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• 1982[14:02:40] <shiin> Do I want to use grub-set-default?
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• 1984[14:02:43] <ryonaloli> " udev : Depends: libudev1 (= 215-17+deb8u4) but 230-7~bpo8+2 is to be installed"
• 1985[14:03:01] <babilen> ryonaloli: Show me the complete command and output
• 1986[14:03:24] <ryonaloli> the issue was libudev1 already installed, i removed it and now the command is working
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• 1988[14:03:40] <babilen> So .. and then complete the upgrade to jessie
• 1989[14:03:50] <babilen> Get it into a defined state and take it from there
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• 1991[14:04:37] <ryonaloli> (why the hell would they give me a custom kernel and not just debian's kernel?)
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• 1994[14:05:08] <ryonaloli> babilen: can't get it into that defined state. udev requires CONFIG_FHANDLE, which 4.3.0 lacks :/
• 1995[14:05:19] <babilen> Where is that kernel from?
• 1996[14:05:20] <teraflops> ryonaloli: container? it's kvm?
• 1997[14:05:25] <ryonaloli> babilen: how would i find out?
• 1998[14:05:29] <ryonaloli> it's just... there. in /boot
• 1999[14:05:32] <babilen> ryonaloli: By consulting your memory
• 2000[14:06:03] <babilen> That kernel wasn't part of a Debian release ever, so you have to have installed it explicitly
• 2001[14:06:04] <ryonaloli> babilen: my memory is that it has always been there, when i asked my provider to reinstall my vps, and give me debian 8
• 2002[14:06:18] <babilen> If not .. we are coming back to "Ask your hoster for a proper image"
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• 2005[14:06:46] <ryonaloli> i suppose i could just manually put a proper kernel there, then.
• 2006[14:06:57] <teraflops> can you?
• 2007[14:06:59] <ryonaloli> since i really can't communicate with my provider that kind of information
• 2008[14:07:05] <ryonaloli> teraflops: i don't see why not. /boot is writable.
• 2009[14:07:06] <babilen> If the vm respects your grub config that is
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• 2011[14:07:21] <ryonaloli> babilen: if it doesn't, i could just kexec
• 2012[14:07:23] <teraflops> ryonaloli: is it kvm?
• 2013[14:07:32] <babilen> If you can't communicate with your hoster you might want to use a different one
• 2014[14:07:53] <babilen> teraflops: Xen apparently (I guess it's PV with pygrub and a kernel from the outside)
• 2015[14:07:53] <ryonaloli> teraflops: i believe so.
• 2016[14:08:00] <babilen> teraflops: Probably some broken hoster image
• 2017[14:08:01] <teraflops> babilen: ah xen
• 2018[14:08:01] <ryonaloli> but a xen kernel is there, apparently
• 2019[14:08:07] <ryonaloli> it's not a container, at least
• 2020[14:08:41] <ryonaloli> and i can't really change providers. if i could find a provider with great customer support that did what i needed, it'd be a dream come true lol
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• 2023[14:10:02] <ryonaloli> but... i still don't see why i couldn't just force udev to install. it seems to me like that'd fix this issue and let me boot into the non 4.3.0 kernel.
• 2024[14:10:40] <ryonaloli> (or remove udev from the dependency list of either the grsec or jessie kernel)
• 2025[14:11:10] <ryonaloli> whether or not i boot via grub, or kexec
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• 2027[14:11:33] <shiin> babilen: Can I please get your advice on setting the default kernel to the non-grsec version?
• 2028[14:12:07] <babilen> shiin: Did you install limux-image-amd64 from backports now?
• 2029[14:12:22] <shiin> Yes.
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• 2031[14:12:53] <babilen> shiin: Did you reboot into that kernel?
• 2032[14:13:24] <shiin> I rebooted, but it didn't change the grub settings, so I'm back on the grsec one.
• 2033[14:14:24] <shiin> replaced-url
• 2034[14:14:29] <teraflops> shiin: just edit /etc/default/grub and change the GRUB_DEFAULT= value it starts counting from 0
• 2035[14:14:37] <babilen> shiin: Did you manually select the non-grsec kernel?
• 2036[14:14:50] <babilen> (in the grub menu that is)
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• 2038[14:15:06] <shiin> It's a server, I don't see grub when restarting it.
• 2039[14:15:18] <shiin> Like.. remote, in a data center
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• 2041[14:15:36] <teraflops> shiin: just edit /etc/default/grub and change the GRUB_DEFAULT= value it starts counting from 0 ^then update-grub
• 2042[14:15:45] <babilen> shiin: Ah, yes, that makes a difference. See ^^ then
• 2043[14:16:22] <babilen> You could also remove the grsec kernel (but then you *have* to make sure that you have a working one installed)
• 2044[14:16:41] <shiin> Judging from my paste, I think I want to select number 4 then, yes?
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• 2047[14:17:46] <teraflops> shiin: which one do you want? from the paste I mean
• 2048[14:17:47] <ryonaloli> i'm going to finish work on this tomorrow. thanks for the help so far.
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• 2050[14:18:14] <shiin> I had 3.16 (default jessie release) and wanted to update to 4.6 to fix a driver problem
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• 2052[14:18:46] <teraflops> shiin: this one? Linux 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64' --class debian
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• 2054[14:18:59] <shiin> After some google research I thought sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-4.6 would get me what I want, but it ended up installing grsec, and I didn't know what that meant.
• 2055[14:19:11] <teraflops> if yes, then it's "2"
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• 2057[14:19:29] <shiin> Why the rt one?
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• 2059[14:19:35] <babilen> shiin: You could set GRUB_DEFAULT='gnulinux-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64-advanced-08ac1f95-6e14-4416-9ada-2d6cb5324fe9' as well
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• 2062[14:19:58] <babilen> shiin: It starts counting at 0
• 2063[14:19:58] <Romater> ehm
• 2064[14:20:01] <Romater> hi
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• 2066[14:20:23] <teraflops> shiin: im asking you
• 2067[14:20:44] <babilen> shiin: And the command "sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-4.6" should have just complained about the fact that that package doesn't exist
• 2068[14:21:16] <shiin> All I ever wanted was the normal version of 4.6.0, no grsec, and I don't know what rt means so that one likely neither
• 2069[14:21:39] <shiin> and "menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64' --class debian" seems to be the entry for that
• 2070[14:21:44] <shiin> which, counting from 0, is number 4
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• 2072[14:22:21] <teraflops> ok then
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• 2074[14:22:38] <teraflops> just dont pick the recovery one
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• 2076[14:23:14] <babilen> shiin: True, good catch! Set it to 4 or gnulinux-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-advanced-08ac1f95-6e14-4416-9ada-2d6cb5324fe9 then
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• 2078[14:24:23] <shiin> Okay good.
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• 2081[14:27:47] <teraflops> shiin: remember to `update-grub` after editing /etc/default/grub ^
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• 2086[14:28:38] <shiin> Aye. I learned that I have to edit /etc/defaut/grub and grub-set-default does not what it I expected.
• 2087[14:29:29] <teraflops> shiin: to be honest idk about grub-set-default I'm fine dealing with /etc/defaut/grub
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• 2095[14:32:58] <shiin> That didn't work either.
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• 2102[14:34:37] <babilen> What did you do and why didn't it work?
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• 2105[14:35:23] <shiin> in /etc/default/grub I've set GRUB_DEFAULT=4 and did sudo update-grub, then I confirmed the 4 showed up like cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep 'set default' and the 0 changed to 4 there
• 2106[14:36:18] <shiin> And after a reboot I'm still on 4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64
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• 2110[14:38:03] <babilen> heh
• 2111[14:38:19] <babilen> You could try to remove them
• 2112[14:38:25] * babilen will be back later
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• 2117[14:40:45] <shiin> I'm trying apt-get remove linux-kernel-4.6 now. This must have selected all the 4.6 ones and got me into that situation.
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• 2126[14:45:29] <Noor_> Hi guys
• 2127[14:45:35] <shiin> This is awful. I thought I was prepared. I thought it through and did long google research and hesitated for weeks. This is what you get for messing with kernel versions.
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• 2163[15:03:52] <babilen> shiin: "dpkg -l |grep linux-image" should show all kernel packages you have installed. Take it from there
• 2164[15:04:26] <babilen> (and make sure to set default back to 0 .. still not sure why 4 wasn't respected (did you try the ID as well as suggested?))
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• 2166[15:05:14] <shiin> I've tried the number and the name of the menuentry, not the one you suggested yet
• 2167[15:05:58] <shiin> Typing the apt-get remove linux-kernel-4.6 command, I managed to get rid of the default and rt version, but not grsec. It asked if I'm sure and can fix the running system, said yes, but then it aborted.
• 2168[15:06:40] <shiin> Afterwards I reinstalled linux-kernel-amd64 and now there is 4.6 grsec, 4.6 and 3.16 in that order in the grub config
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• 2170[15:07:03] <r2ot> Hello tout le monde
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• 2172[15:07:25] <shiin> Just in theory, what would happen if I tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-kernel-amd64?
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• 2174[15:08:07] <shiin> Oh, also, I tried grub-reboot too which seems like a temporary version of grub-set-default and it didn't work either.
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• 2176[15:08:40] <shiin> I'm slowly getting an understanding of how grub.cfg is generated using /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d, but the latter still has a lot of code
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• 2194[15:12:31] <shiin> How do I know if/when next_entry is not empty string during boot. If it isn't, and it normally shouldn't be, it uses the set default value I configured in /etc/default/grub
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• 2201[15:14:49] <shiin> Oh. I think grub-editenv list tells me whats declared.
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• 2206[15:16:56] <babilen> shiin: So, what does "dpkg -l|grep linux-image" give you now?
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• 2208[15:17:29] <shiin> All but the 'rt' one are still installed.
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• 2217[15:19:06] <babilen> shiin: You could remove those also
• 2218[15:19:13] <babilen> (not all of them, mind you!)
• 2219[15:19:38] <shiin> I want the normal 4.6, and I can't remove the 4.6 grc while I'm on it - the uninstall aborts
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• 2221[15:19:49] <shiin> despite taking my prompt to do it
• 2222[15:20:05] <babilen> Could you show me?
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• 2224[15:20:56] <shiin> I have another clue. replaced-url
• 2225[15:21:05] <shiin> I haven't tried saved yet.
• 2226[15:21:37] <babilen> shiin: That's all being discussed in "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'"
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• 2229[15:22:02] <shiin> -bash: info: command not found
• 2230[15:22:13] <shiin> That was why I didn't investigate this so far.
• 2231[15:22:14] <babilen> But that would work also (we've used that to ensure that some boxes used the correct kernel when we rolled out updates on hundreds of them)
• 2232[15:22:20] <babilen> "apt install info"
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• 2236[15:26:18] <jmd> What's the quickest/simplest way to test that sound works ?
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• 2238[15:26:31] <babilen> "speakter-test -twav"
• 2239[15:26:42] <babilen> *speaker-test
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• 2241[15:27:26] <jmd> babilen: Ok. I hear nothing. How do I proceed to debug?
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• 2243[15:28:06] <babilen> jmd: Are you sure you have ears?
• 2244[15:28:07] <babilen> ;)
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• 2246[15:28:47] <babilen> jmd: There are so many ways .. a good first start would be to check the volume levels and channel muting in alsamixer and pavucontrol
• 2247[15:29:02] <shiin> Okay that saved option didn't work. Here is the list you asked for, babilen: replaced-url
• 2248[15:29:09] <babilen> "aplay -L" and "cat /proc/asound/cards" are other bits of information you can peruse
• 2249[15:29:20] <tssid> hey guys
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• 2252[15:29:50] <babilen> shiin: So, if you purge the linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-amd64 you should be fine, shouldn't you?
• 2253[15:29:58] <shiin> And this is what update-grub says: replaced-url
• 2254[15:29:58] <babilen> shiin: What kind of box is this?
• 2255[15:31:02] <jmd> Interestingly cat /proc/asound/cards lists only one card: Viz: ALSA
• 2256[15:31:27] <jmd> but speakertest -D ALSA gives an error "Unknown PCM ALSA"
• 2257[15:31:43] <shiin> babilen: replaced-url
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• 2259[15:33:30] <shiin> Actually the purge worked now. I confused yes and no earlier.
• 2260[15:33:40] <shiin> It asked to abort, not to continue.
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• 2264[15:34:39] <jmd> and yes, alsa mixer shows the card to be unmuted.
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• 2271[15:36:56] <shiin> Now it's gone, and it booted correctly into 4.6
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• 2273[15:37:05] <shiin> phew.
• 2274[15:37:29] <shiin> Thank you for your help, babilen, teraflops
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• 2276[15:38:00] <babilen> shiin: Great .. still not sure why apt didn't complain about the missing package
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• 2285[15:41:13] <shiin> You mean my initial install command?
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• 2287[15:41:22] <shiin> I think it just selected all the packages that matched the name
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• 2296[15:47:05] <babilen> shiin: It doesn't normally do that .. do you have some "nice" extensions installed such as auto-apt?
• 2297[15:47:41] <shiin> I am not aware of such.
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• 2315[15:51:38] <shiin> I think some grsec settings are still in effect.
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• 2333[15:57:14] <gl-prout> hi guys, got a question about symlinks
• 2334[15:57:32] <julius_> hi
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• 2336[15:57:50] <julius_> is there a headless debian image somwhere that gets its ip per dhcp and allows logins via ssh?
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• 2339[15:58:14] <shiin> Wait actually. I think I know what's going on.
• 2340[15:58:16] <gl-prout> if I create a symlink in my home folder for something on another partition that isn't automatically mounted, will it still link to it if mounted again?
• 2341[15:58:29] <julius_> gl-prout, yes
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• 2343[15:58:38] <gl-prout> thanks julius_
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• 2346[15:58:52] <gl-prout> and does it use the same disk space?
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• 2349[15:59:06] <julius_> it does not use any disk space...very little
• 2350[15:59:11] <gl-prout> roger that
• 2351[15:59:11] <julius_> on the partiton where it was created
• 2352[15:59:17] <abrotman> julius_: a live CD? or after install?
• 2353[15:59:19] <gl-prout> thanks
• 2354[15:59:32] <julius_> abrotman, a live cd yes...bootable via usb
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• 2356[15:59:47] <abrotman> julius_: not sure if the liveCD does that, but live.debian.net
• 2357[15:59:48] <julius_> abrotman, but without the gui....a server install
• 2358[16:00:05] <abrotman> it's not a server if it's a liveCD?
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• 2369[16:03:39] <mtcj> I have installed the binary fglrx driver and wish to return to the radeon driver. What steps do I need to take to do this?
• 2370[16:03:47] <gl-prout> ahahaha it didn't work out as I wanted, well nevermind
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• 2372[16:04:38] <abrotman> mtcj: how did you install it?
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• 2376[16:05:59] <mtcj> abrotman: I installed it by following the instructions on the ATIProprietary article on the Debian wiki
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• 2378[16:06:21] <mtcj> Section 'Debian 8"Jessie"'
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• 2380[16:06:33] <abrotman> mtcj: I'd think you could just remove the package it installed?
• 2381[16:07:29] <mtcj> I can try. However there is also a step where an Xorg server configuration file is created which I'm unsure if i need to address/undo.
• 2382[16:08:10] <mtcj> In particular I ran the aticonfig --inital command.
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• 2391[16:09:57] <abrotman> mtcj: that's in /etc/X11/, one of the subdirs IIRC
• 2392[16:10:04] <abrotman> you can remove it, or move it out of the way
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• 2394[16:10:24] <mtcj> Yeah. I think that's all that's necessary, and to ensure the radeon blacklist file is removed.
• 2395[16:10:41] <Guest> When will wayland replace Xorg in debian
• 2396[16:10:51] <mtcj> Guest: :(
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• 2400[16:13:51] <mtcj> Are files in /etc/modprobe.d used if I modify the filename from *.conf to *.conf-out ?
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• 2405[16:14:48] <mtcj> Never mind, man modprobe.d provided me with the answer "Yes"
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• 2415[16:19:05] <julius_> abrotman, well..what do you mean with: after install?
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• 2427[16:25:06] <Gabs5807> Guest: when there is a working x client for wayland
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• 2430[16:26:21] <Gabs5807> most x stuff will not replace the x part by the wayland part in the near future
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• 2434[16:28:12] <Gabs5807> therefor a x client is needed first
• 2435[16:28:44] <mtcj> Upon apt-get remove fglrx-driver and apt-get autoremove, moving the xorg.conf to xorg.conf-out and xorg.conf.original-0 to xorg.conf, and moving the radeon blacklist to -out the radeon blacklist was recreated
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• 2452[16:36:06] <mtcj> Upon manually removing it and rebooting it I still found that lightdmn has very small text and and Cinnamon crashed upon login. The same occurred after apt-get --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-ati and -radeon
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• 2455[16:36:56] <abrotman> julius_: Are you going to install the system, or run it live?
• 2456[16:37:12] <julius_> no install
• 2457[16:37:20] <julius_> just a working system that booots from usb
• 2458[16:37:23] <boubou> ftp.ca.debian.org is in problem
• 2459[16:37:30] <boubou> i think
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• 2466[16:40:00] <mtcj> julius_ do you need persistent files and configurations for that system?
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• 2468[16:40:24] <julius_> would be nice
• 2469[16:40:28] <julius_> yes
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• 2488[16:47:12] <mtcj> RomaterAway please turn that off
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• 2493[16:49:34] <abrotman> turn what off?
• 2494[16:50:00] <mtcj> Afk Nick change
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• 2496[16:50:38] <babilen> why?
• 2497[16:51:26] <babilen> We just don't want automatic away messages ... nick changes are ok if not the best solution (just set /away)
• 2498[16:51:44] <mtcj> Because it's unnecessary to spam every channel you're in with the nick change. /away is more than sufficient to allow people that actually care whether or not someone is currently available
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• 2500[16:52:18] <mtcj> Yeah it's not a super big deal but nothing wrong with asking politely I think.
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• 2503[16:54:01] <roger`> i agree with mtcj
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• 2507[16:55:11] <roger`> that's why i hide nick changes on bigger channels
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• 2509[16:55:37] <roger`> along with join/parts on almost any channels
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• 2518[16:58:53] <stoned> roger`: same
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• 2520[16:59:17] <stoned> rog replaced-url
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• 2522[16:59:20] <stoned> roger`: ^
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• 2525[16:59:40] <roger`> i have a bind on irssi so i can ignore them in a second when i open a new chan
• 2526[16:59:45] <stoned> I prefer a clean chat. I have never been interested in who comes and goes, quites, changes nicks, does mode changes, anything.
• 2527[16:59:52] <stoned> Lookit me shot
• 2528[17:00:11] <roger`> the background makes it hard to read imo ^^
• 2529[17:00:21] <stoned> Not for me
• 2530[17:00:23] <roger`> replaced-url
• 2531[17:00:26] <stoned> My eyes are stoney
• 2532[17:00:36] <roger`> lol
• 2533[17:00:36] <stoned> It could be a song, even.
• 2534[17:00:38] <stoned> Stoney Eyes
• 2535[17:00:40] <stoned> ha.
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• 2537[17:00:55] <stoned> There's nothing happeningin your terminal!
• 2538[17:01:03] <stoned> it's bland and boring! jk
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• 2542[17:01:27] <roger`> just how i like it
• 2543[17:01:31] <roger`> vanillia af
• 2544[17:01:47] <roger`> i can see you're on weechat
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• 2546[17:01:49] <stoned> \o/
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• 2548[17:01:53] <stoned> Mhmm
• 2549[17:02:00] <stoned> I wsa on irssi for .. 12-13 years
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• 2551[17:02:12] <stoned> Now I'm a trippy monkey on weechat
• 2552[17:02:27] <roger`> i like irssi, and i still use screen instead of tmux
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• 2554[17:02:28] <roger`> yea.
• 2555[17:02:36] <babilen> !ot
• 2556[17:02:36] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 2558[17:03:02] <roger`> my bad
• 2559[17:03:13] <stoned> have you tried it?
• 2560[17:03:15] <babilen> I mean we don't have to discuss this for hours in the support channel now. Yes, away messages and whatnot are suboptimal and noise.
• 2561[17:03:29] <stoned> I recommend checking it out. I find it more useful now than irssi.
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• 2563[17:03:40] <mtcj> Hmm I still cannot return to pre-fglrx behavior on Debian
• 2564[17:03:43] <roger`> ok stoned
• 2565[17:04:17] <mtcj> As in back to the behavior Debian had when I used radeon
• 2566[17:04:26] <stoned> oh, that was a long time ago
• 2567[17:04:54] <stoned> That's when I had X1900XT radeon, radeonhd was the reverse engineered driver, I think, and amd just released the radeon driver
• 2568[17:04:59] <stoned> What kind of behavior are you speaking about?
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• 2572[17:05:26] <mtcj> Fonts in lightdm are too small and upon login Cinnamon crashed
• 2573[17:05:45] <stoned> it's not the problem of lightdm, it's probably a dpi issue
• 2574[17:05:56] <stoned> find out what your X's dpi is set for
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• 2576[17:06:08] <stoned> or just try startx -- -dpi 120
• 2577[17:06:09] <stoned> or 96
• 2578[17:06:20] <mtcj> Ok I did determine that Cinnamon will start in software rendering mode
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• 2580[17:06:32] <mtcj> But I don't know that's ideal
• 2581[17:06:55] <stoned> mtcj: it's proabably not. cinn I don't know, but I'm guessing uses 3d desktop effects and transparencies and such?
• 2582[17:07:10] <stoned> And for that it needs properly configued 3d accel
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• 2584[17:07:25] <stoned> softrare rendering will absolutely lag you out, if you can even get it to function
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• 2586[17:09:50] <mtcj> Hmm well I was about to play a 720p video in Kodi acceptably, though the Kodi interface is laggy
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• 2588[17:10:51] <mtcj> 1080p isn't acceptable
• 2589[17:11:30] <babilen> I guess the first thing to do is to actually purge fglrx and get hardware rendering with radeon going
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• 2592[17:12:20] <mtcj> I did purge, I will try the xorg.conf sections mentioned on the wiki
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• 2594[17:12:40] <towo`> you don't need a xorg.conf at all
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• 2596[17:12:56] <towo`> and for help, providing the Xorg.0.log would be the best
• 2597[17:13:09] <mtcj> There are sections that can be added to increase 3D performance
• 2598[17:13:22] <stoned> paste the log and the conf.
• 2599[17:13:24] <mtcj> But I will provide the log before moving on with that at53?05
• 2600[17:13:28] <mtcj> Attempt
• 2601[17:13:29] <stoned> ty
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• 2607[17:14:22] <mtcj> replaced-url
• 2608[17:14:36] <mtcj> No conf at this time
• 2609[17:14:49] <towo`> nomedeset as kernel command, radeon will never work propper
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• 2611[17:15:34] <mtcj> I hadn't caught that
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• 2615[17:16:56] <mtcj> Hmm the only file in /etc/grub
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• 2618[17:18:00] <mtcj> .d containing nomodeset is 10_linux under a GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_RECOVERY= line
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• 2629[17:21:20] <mtcj> May I add modeset=1 to the kernel command or the option "options radeon modeset=1" to /etc/modprobe.d/modesetting.conf to fix this?
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• 2634[17:22:39] <towo`> mtcj, what ever you do, nomodeset has to be removed from the kernel line in grub.cfg
• 2635[17:22:57] <towo`> and i can't believe on your system /etc/default/grub does not exist
• 2636[17:23:02] <mtcj> It's only in the kernel line for the recovery option which I'm not booting
• 2637[17:23:39] <mtcj> Yes towo` that file was the culprit
• 2638[17:24:22] <towo`> mtcj, your logfile demonstarates, you boot with nomodeset
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• 2642[17:26:13] <mtcj> While I did remove nomodeset option from that file it was still in the grub menu. I'll go lookup whether or not that menu needs regenerated upon config file changes
• 2643[17:26:29] <babilen> Did you run "update-grub" ?
• 2644[17:26:32] <towo`> you need update-grub
• 2645[17:26:41] <mtcj> Or I won't look it up. Thanks.
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• 2647[17:27:30] <babilen> :)
• 2648[17:27:54] <mtcj> Thanks everyone who offered input. I believe I've successfully gone back to the radeon driver which appears to have perfectly acceptable performance.
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• 2651[17:28:06] <mtcj> Dunno why I felt the need to install fglrx-driver
• 2652[17:28:12] <babilen> Wonderful :)
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• 2654[17:28:33] <dontknow> can i take root privilege on android phone with debian? and remove bloatware
• 2655[17:28:54] <mtcj> :/ well Kodi wigs out now but I'll check with them to see if they know what's going on.
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• 2659[17:30:20] <babilen> dontknow: That's quite unrelated
• 2660[17:30:44] <dontknow> babilen, i took my chance
• 2661[17:30:53] <babilen> Ask in #android :)
• 2662[17:31:04] <dontknow> they wouldn't know
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• 2665[17:31:48] <babilen> Then #cyanogenmod or whatever ..
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• 2669[17:32:29] <julius_> mtcj, so any ideas for a debian usb system with persistent configuration?
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• 2671[17:32:47] <LuMint> what's better - apt or aptitude? I've seen many people preferring aptitude over apt, but never understood why
• 2672[17:33:14] <mtcj> julius_ sorry for not following up
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• 2674[17:33:27] <julius_> no problem, im presistent
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• 2676[17:33:42] <kingkong> qt5 is available for wheezy?
• 2677[17:33:52] <AimHere> The story I was told was that aptitude autoremoves libraries and dependencies which were autoinstalled by it, and apt doesn't, so aptitude is preferred
• 2678[17:33:59] <dontknow> babilen, but iam talking about with chmod or chown whatever
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• 2681[17:34:46] <mtcj> replaced-url
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• 2683[17:35:07] <mtcj> I believe a Debian developer wrote that post julius_
• 2684[17:35:12] <towo`> dontknow, if you think, you can connect to an android device with debian and get root on thatg android, no, you won't get root
• 2685[17:35:39] <dontknow> towo`, yes i was talking about that
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• 2687[17:35:48] <dontknow> but why
• 2688[17:35:54] <towo`> dontknow, then now you have the answer
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• 2690[17:36:34] <dontknow> towo`, can not change folders privilege?
• 2691[17:36:48] <dontknow> and get root after reboot
• 2692[17:36:54] <towo`> no, because you have no root
• 2693[17:36:56] <mtcj> replaced-url
• 2694[17:37:12] <towo`> dontknow, and again, it's absolotely OT here
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• 2696[17:37:20] <mtcj> You may follow that instead of the link in the post which is no longer valif
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• 2698[17:38:02] <LuMint> AimHere: yeah, that's the story I hears as well.
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• 2700[17:38:05] <LuMint> *heard
• 2701[17:38:18] <LuMint> AimHere: I'm not sure it's really true though.
• 2702[17:38:18] <mtcj> dontknow there are a lot of resources out there talking about rooting Android phones etc
• 2703[17:38:58] <dontknow> mtcj, i know but they sucks. requires 3rd party malicious software who knows what they are doing
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• 2705[17:39:25] <stoned> #android and #android-root
• 2706[17:39:28] <stoned> good luck
• 2707[17:39:54] <LuMint> dontknow: there's an opensource rooting program though
• 2708[17:40:08] <stoned> go to the appropriate channel
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• 2710[17:40:34] <dontknow> LuMint, what is that?
• 2711[17:40:40] <LuMint> why me, I just wanted to discuss apt vs. aptitude
• 2712[17:40:46] <mtcj> Don't know just so you know the reason why showing so-called malicious apps are necessary is because exploits are necessary to give you room access end times
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• 2714[17:40:55] <dontknow> LuMint, best is apt-get
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• 2716[17:41:03] <kingkong> i can not install qt5 with apt-get on wheezy?
• 2717[17:41:10] <stoned> kingkong: nope
• 2718[17:41:20] <kingkong> hmm. why?
• 2719[17:41:23] <stoned> kingkong: even stable as qt4
• 2720[17:41:30] <LuMint> dontknow: the one used in cyanogen replaced-url
• 2721[17:41:30] <stoned> qt5 is in strech onwards
• 2722[17:41:37] <towo`> kingkong, because it's not available
• 2723[17:41:39] <LuMint> dontknow: why is it better?
• 2724[17:41:46] <iKarith> mtcj: gee that would've made what I was doing earlier in the week a lot easier. ;)
• 2725[17:41:51] <stoned> kingkong: you can maybe try to build it yourself, but that's a hassle.
• 2726[17:42:03] <dontknow> LuMint, i heard like that. i use apt-get
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• 2729[17:42:22] <mtcj> Stretch is always the next version of Debian right
• 2730[17:42:27] <stoned> No
• 2731[17:42:29] <stoned> Just this one
• 2732[17:42:35] <stoned> 'testing' is always the next one
• 2733[17:42:38] <stoned> Could be named anything.
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• 2735[17:42:53] <stoned> #debian-next on irc.debian.org
• 2736[17:42:57] <mtcj> All my mistake thanks stoned
• 2737[17:42:59] <iKarith> mtcj: live with persistence--the means to install installer-not-yet-included disk tools and then run the installer after booting a system that knew how to set up the partitions on it. :)
• 2738[17:42:59] <stoned> !testing
• 2739[17:43:00] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
• 2740[17:43:04] <kingkong> how can i install qt5 on wheezy? should i edit source to strech and update on it?
• 2741[17:43:18] <stoned> I would not advise oldstable to testing.
• 2742[17:43:21] <iKarith> All the bits are in jessie, but the installer doesn't know how to use them yet. :(
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• 2751[17:45:39] <dontknow> mtcj, i think i can do that. take root privilege and remove bloatware by removing their data files etc
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• 2753[17:46:24] <jamesl> I've written a small shell script with 5 commands, when executed, all commands complete successfully apart from the last one, failing with "no such device or address". However, when I run "tail -n 1 script.sh | bash" the command completes successfully. Running script.sh twice still has the last command fail both times, so why does it work when executed by piping the command to Bash? This seems strange. It works on typing into
• 2754[17:46:24] <jamesl> the prompt as well, but never in the script. How to make it work in the script? I'm running debian 8 on a raspberry pi
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• 2757[17:47:38] <iKarith> jamesl: what's your script? Pastebins are useful.
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• 2759[17:47:40] <towo`> jamesl, as long as you take "your scrept" secret, no one will help
• 2760[17:47:49] <jamesl> hang on
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• 2762[17:48:20] <jamesl> replaced-url
• 2763[17:48:24] <jamesl> all executed as root
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• 2765[17:48:42] <jamesl> last one fails unless typed in, is it something to do with environment variables?
• 2766[17:48:58] <jmd> How do I change the keyboard layout. (I don't intend to run X)
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• 2770[17:49:40] <iKarith> jmd: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
• 2771[17:49:54] <towo`> jamesl, i would say it fails, because wlan0 is not up, because it needs some time
• 2772[17:50:02] <jamesl> okay
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• 2774[17:50:13] <iKarith> actually not quite
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• 2776[17:50:24] <jamesl> so a "sleep 3" before the last command shoud fix it? Hold on, trying now...
• 2777[17:50:36] <Rephlexie> missing '#!bin/bash'?
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• 2779[17:51:12] <mtcj> Is there a way for him to wait for the WLAN to come up before moving on to subsequent steps?
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• 2782[17:51:28] <mtcj> I'm unfamiliar with the commands that bring up wireless interfaces
• 2783[17:51:33] <iKarith> jmd: keyboard-configuration, not console-setup
• 2784[17:51:49] <jmd> iKarith: Thanks
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• 2786[17:51:59] <jamesl> mtcj, sleep 3 waits 3 seconds before moving on
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• 2788[17:52:06] <iKarith> mtcj: a sleep or two might be useful
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• 2790[17:52:52] <jamesl> didn't work, still get "no such device or address". Shall I try increasing the sleep interval?
• 2791[17:53:43] <mtcj> I was just wondering if those commands can be run in a way that mimics && instead of mimicking &
• 2792[17:53:43] <jamesl> didn't work with sleep 10, no such advice or address
• 2793[17:53:55] <julius_> mtcj, let me see
• 2794[17:54:04] <mtcj> But it sounds like that's not going to necessarily help
• 2795[17:54:04] <jamesl> put && between each command?
• 2796[17:54:20] <mtcj> Sounds like maybe the network interface simply isn't being brought up
• 2797[17:54:39] <jamesl> "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" is in there though, and gives no errors
• 2798[17:54:45] <iKarith> what does ./tx do?
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• 2800[17:55:14] <jamesl> it's a raw data transmitter that needs the wifi dongle set up in a specific way. The preceding commands are needed to set it up
• 2801[17:55:26] <jamesl> ./tx is giving the error
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• 2805[17:56:21] <jamesl> someone asked in a forum once how to fix this error but nobody responded
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• 2811[17:58:57] <julius_> mtcj, theres a similiar blog entry here: replaced-url
• 2812[17:59:01] <iKarith> jamesl: what I'm wondering is if you can somehow determine when the interface comes up and sleep 1 until it oes.
• 2813[17:59:15] <jamesl> cat script.sh | bash sent a few packets before failing with "no such device" error in less than a second
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• 2815[18:00:59] <iKarith> if your network conflagurator (there's about four of them in Debian) supports hooks and profiles, you might be able to define a profile that downs and ups the interface with the correct settings, then runs the command once it connects to the SSID you want.
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• 2818[18:02:10] <jamesl> iKarith, this program can't run with a network conflagurator, you have to disable everything as this program puts the wlan adapter into raw mode, and the manager keeps trying to switch it back
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• 2820[18:02:35] <jamesl> it doesn't connect to an SSID, just sends out raw packets like a radio transmitter
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• 2823[18:04:05] <learjet60xr> I got a quick question, maybe related to debian or not. I run debian of course and I have tried to research on the internet regarding bind dns and apache. I am new to all that and I am trying to understand how apache communicates with bind dns. Do you guys have an article in mind that may help me clear the fog?.
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• 2825[18:04:15] <jamesl> this may be a hardware issue, dmesg shows errors when the wifi dongle is connected, then "USB layer deinitialised"
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• 2827[18:05:24] <LuMint> dontknow: from a phone?
• 2828[18:05:29] <LuMint> dontknow: that depends on a phone, hehe
• 2829[18:05:38] <dontknow> LuMint, from debian
• 2830[18:06:00] <LuMint> bloatware on debian? that's something new
• 2831[18:06:15] <LuMint> if you don't want bloat you go for netinstall and install just what you need
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• 2833[18:06:28] <LuMint> or better still, debootstrap way
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• 2840[18:09:52] <kingkong> i changed source list from wheezy to jessie. after apt-get update and install specific package getting many extras. how can i just install the specific package without extra or suggest?
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• 2843[18:10:26] <towo`> kingkong, you can't
• 2844[18:10:28] <iKarith> kingkong: apt-get dist-upgrade will try to be smart about the upgrades
• 2845[18:10:46] <iKarith> a lot of the new stuff you're getting are new versions of libs
• 2846[18:10:56] <towo`> kingkong, and mixing releases is a stupid idea
• 2847[18:10:59] <iKarith> And really, you don't want wheezy anymore.
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• 2849[18:11:29] <iKarith> wheezy doesn't even have a web browser that actually works on the modern internet and gets security patches.
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• 2851[18:11:36] <iKarith> That's a big reason to upgrade!
• 2852[18:12:03] <jamesl> iKarith, Fixed! Fixed by adding the last command to my bashrc and enabling autologin. It's a kludge but works
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• 2854[18:12:21] <jelly> iKarith: sure it does, firefox-esr
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• 2858[18:12:55] <kingkong> i just want one specific package. i dont want upgrade others.i will return back jessie to wheezy. how to install specific package without extras ?
• 2859[18:13:26] <jelly> kingkong: don't do that, it's VERY easy to mess things up
• 2860[18:13:47] <jelly> which package and version are you talking about, kingkong?
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• 2864[18:14:10] <jamesl> kingkong, you're trying to install a Jessie package, needing Jessie dependencies, on Wheezy. This will require A LOT of pckages to be upgraded to Jessie
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• 2866[18:14:19] <kingkong> jelly: i want qt5
• 2867[18:14:25] <jelly> kingkong: what for?
• 2868[18:14:25] <jamesl> you're basically upgrading your OS.
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• 2870[18:15:01] <kingkong> i will not install other upgrades
• 2871[18:15:03] <iKarith> jelly: firefox-esr wasn't available for wheezy when I last upgraded away from it.
• 2872[18:15:21] <iKarith> in fact, it was a backport to jessie.
• 2873[18:15:35] <jelly> ,v firefox-esr
• 2874[18:15:36] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 45.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.3.0esr-1; sid: 45.3.0esr-2
• 2875[18:16:07] <iKarith> glad it's there now.
• 2876[18:16:13] <petn-randall> kingkong: Mixing releases is not supported. Is there a reason you don't want to upgrade to jessie?
• 2877[18:16:17] <towo`> kingkong, what's hard to understan? it will install all depending packages
• 2878[18:16:25] <towo`> kingkong, you can't avoid that!
• 2879[18:16:39] <jamesl> why is there not any modern browser for Wheezy? Wheezy was released in 2013 and the modern web existed in 2013, so surely the web browser included with wheezy will work with modern websites?
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• 2882[18:17:18] <jamesl> iKarith, why does wheezy's browser not work on the modern web?
• 2883[18:17:18] <jelly> jamesl: just explained there is one.
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• 2885[18:17:38] <kingkong> my vps cant upgrade. need to start from zero
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• 2888[18:18:13] <kingkong> ok towo` then not install it
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• 2891[18:19:01] <jelly> kingkong: what is your actual goal? running some prebuilt qt5 app (which one?), or setting up a development environment, or building something from source?
• 2892[18:19:03] <kingkong> how to install qt5 for wheezy then?
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• 2898[18:19:42] <petn-randall> jamesl: You don't count firefox-esr as "modern"?
• 2899[18:19:44] <kingkong> jelly: build something from source required qt5 for some features
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• 2901[18:20:11] <jelly> kingkong: you could set up a jessie or stretch chroot, and build in there
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• 2903[18:20:19] <iKarith> jamesl: every page you go to from facebook to github to youtube to ... whatever ... told you that wheezy's versions of chromium and iceweasel are old and no longer supported. And indeed, the pages don't work right in many cases. That was one of my irritations since I work on RPis a lot as Raspbian was many months behind Debian switching over.
• 2904[18:20:57] <dokma> I've got some silly nonsense going on. I've bound this: /usr/bin/pactl set-sink-mute 1 toggle to XF86AudioMute in XFCE. It works only to mute. Once the sink is muted it will not unmute.
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• 2906[18:21:05] <dokma> The same command works from the command line.
• 2907[18:21:22] <dokma> i.e. it mutes AND unmutes as expected
• 2908[18:21:41] <jelly> kingkong: which "something"?
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• 2910[18:21:43] <iKarith> jelly: I now do that for jessie actually. Both rem and shiro now run sid. *shrug* It was just easier in the end, and neither machine faces the world, so ...
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• 2912[18:22:13] <debkad> dokma, my script contain: pactl set-sink-mute 0 toggle
• 2913[18:22:19] <debkad> i use xfce too
• 2914[18:22:32] <dokma> don't think that will help but let me try...
• 2915[18:22:53] <debkad> it help, it is 0 toggle and not 1 toggle
• 2916[18:22:58] <dokma> debkad: same thing...
• 2917[18:23:12] <iKarith> I kept wheezy on my Debian VM for development, but shortly after Raspbian went jessie and I found I was going to try and support wheezy a little longer, I just set up a chroot for wheezy. I've abandoned the idea, jessie is now required. Kept the chrroot building though. ;)
• 2918[18:23:12] <dokma> I need to mute the sink number 1 not 0
• 2919[18:23:20] <dokma> but let me try as you suggest
• 2920[18:23:24] <debkad> check alsamixer first make everything ok, then try again
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• 2923[18:23:58] <debkad> dokma, pactl set-sink-mute 0 toggle will switch to both, mute and unmute
• 2924[18:24:05] <dokma> debkad: yeah with the 0 instead of 1 it just mutes the first sink
• 2925[18:24:16] <dokma> debkad: it will, for the first sink
• 2926[18:24:22] <debkad> good
• 2927[18:24:23] <dokma> I need to toggle the second one
• 2928[18:24:27] <debkad> ah
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• 2930[18:24:31] <kingkong> jelly: building quassel. where to set up jessie or stretch chroot? i will not need to start from zero then ?
• 2931[18:24:33] <dokma> thus the 1
• 2932[18:24:35] <debkad> dokma, amixer in that case
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• 2936[18:24:45] <debkad> two cards?
• 2937[18:24:54] <jelly> dpkg, tell kingkong about debootstrap
• 2938[18:24:57] <jelly> dpkg, tell kingkong about schroot
• 2939[18:25:17] <debkad> !dpkg
• 2940[18:25:17] <dpkg> somebody said dpkg was the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
• 2941[18:25:53] <Guest> is dpkg even a person
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• 2943[18:26:01] <debkad> is a bot
• 2944[18:26:02] <Guest> or is it someone else
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• 2947[18:26:17] <iKarith> !dpkgbot
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• 2949[18:26:17] <dpkg> Please visit replaced-url
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• 2951[18:26:27] <debkad> !dpkg, tell Guest about dpkg
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• 2953[18:26:42] <jelly> kingkong: anywhere you have enough free space, a fresh directory on the filesystem
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• 2955[18:27:31] <jelly> debkad: you've just shown the factoid in the public channel, there's no need to tell them again in PM
• 2956[18:27:33] <iKarith> kingkong: I use /srv for that myself
• 2957[18:27:47] <dokma> debkad: with amixer I have the exact same problem...
• 2958[18:27:55] <dokma> it will mute but NOT unmute
• 2959[18:28:01] <debkad> jelly, my bad sorry
• 2960[18:28:24] <debkad> dokma, amixer -c0 for first card, amixer -c1 for the second ..etc
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• 2962[18:28:37] <Guest> dpkg told me to RTFM
• 2963[18:28:37] <dpkg> Guest: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
• 2964[18:29:02] * iKarith pats dpkg. Good bot.
• 2965[18:29:28] <dokma> debkad: no need for that param... it works like this from the command line: amixer -D pulse set Master 1+ toggle
• 2966[18:29:40] <dokma> but it does not work when I bind it to XF86AudioMute
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• 2968[18:30:44] <debkad> dokma, if you wish i can past my script, and you can make a keyboard shortcut to call it with XF86Audio buttons
• 2969[18:31:17] <dokma> debkad: you're constantly misunderstanding my prob... the command works from the command line
• 2970[18:31:24] <dokma> it DOES toggle the mute state
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• 2972[18:31:38] <dokma> the only time it does NOT work is when I bind it to a key
• 2973[18:31:53] <dokma> and it only does not want to unmute when bound
• 2974[18:32:05] <debkad> dokma, i get that part, if you make a script it will work
• 2975[18:32:13] <dokma> I already made a script
• 2976[18:32:15] <debkad> my script anyway replaced-url
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• 2978[18:32:49] <debkad> you can call it like: mixer up , mixer down or mixer mute
• 2979[18:32:51] <dokma> let me try this one
• 2980[18:32:55] <debkad> depend on the button
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• 2982[18:33:12] <dokma> voulme up and down already work for me
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• 2986[18:33:31] <debkad> you can remove the aosd_cat part or install it if you like to see it in the screen
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• 2991[18:35:44] <dokma> debkad: same issue with your script...
• 2992[18:36:02] <debkad> hmm
• 2993[18:36:07] <dokma> maybe XFCE does something itself when I press XF86AudioMute?
• 2994[18:36:28] <kingkong> jelly: i must ask my vps provider
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• 2996[18:36:39] <debkad> dokma, be sure that key is not duplicated
• 2997[18:36:47] <kingkong> iKarith: whats /srv for?
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• 3000[18:37:26] <dokma> debkad: it appears only once in Application shortcuts
• 3001[18:37:54] <jelly> kingkong: why? just put it anywhere you want
• 3002[18:38:24] <dokma> yup... I bound it to another key and now it works
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• 3004[18:38:33] <debkad> dokma, what about xfce4-settings-editor under xfce4-keyboard-shortcut
• 3005[18:38:34] <dokma> something's up with XF86AudioMute
• 3006[18:38:34] <kingkong> jelly: its open vz vps
• 3007[18:38:55] <debkad> dokma, fixed?
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• 3010[18:39:58] <dokma> debkad: it works with another key but not with XF86AudioMute....
• 3011[18:40:06] <debkad> ah
• 3012[18:40:10] <jelly> kingkong: so?
• 3013[18:40:18] <dokma> I'm looking for keybindings under xfce4-settings-editor
• 3014[18:40:20] <dokma> but I see none
• 3015[18:40:35] <debkad> dokma, i think it was binded to something
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• 3020[18:41:51] <dokma> debkad: I'm still looking but can't find any other binding for that key
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• 3025[18:42:41] <kingkong> jelly: it uses precompiled images of systems
• 3026[18:42:55] <debkad> yeah i think you're right, mine also have no shortcuts for XF86AUDIO , it is something from another applications or part of the system
• 3027[18:43:09] <icwiener_> Hi, I am trying out apt-offline with two Sid systems and have the problem that the files are downloaded but then result in 0 bytes files. Does anyone have seen that?
• 3028[18:43:24] <dokma> debkad: exactly
• 3029[18:43:28] <dokma> I'll dig into it
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• 3034[18:45:25] <jelly> icwiener_: ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 3036[18:45:57] <icwiener_> jelly: I will do that, thanks.
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• 3057[18:53:51] <debkad> dokma, can you try this workaround? xfconf-query --create --channel xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts --property /commands/custom/XF86AudioMute --type string --set 'amixer -D pulse set Master 1+ toggle'
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• 3066[18:55:57] <random_numbers> Did systemd truly get an update recently or did my apt confs finally mess up?
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• 3070[18:57:13] <somiaj> random_numbers: what version of debian are you running?
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• 3072[18:57:25] <somiaj> random_numbers: you can check th apt logs to see what has been upgraded
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• 3094[19:03:35] <l33n> mouse turns into a plus sign, will not work, how to fix?
• 3095[19:04:03] <random_numbers> somiaj: I didn't run the updates yet in case it messed wiht my system. Also, the changelogs for a few programs like systemd are two days old, so I'm not sure why I'm only getting the upgrades today.
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• 3111[19:10:36] <somiaj> random_numbers: what version of debian do you run?
• 3112[19:10:41] <random_numbers> Jessie.
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• 3114[19:10:55] <somiaj> there shouldn't be upgrades that break things, only provide secuirty fixes.
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• 3116[19:11:53] <random_numbers> Yeah, but there's nothing in the debian-security-announce mailing list, which makes me wonder if my mirror didn't just get compromised.
• 3117[19:12:16] <jelly> compromised but with valid gpg signatures?
• 3118[19:12:37] <random_numbers> Touché.
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• 3121[19:15:44] <random_numbers> Is there a mirror that's particularly up to date?
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• 3126[19:19:40] <somiaj> random_numbers: they should all be up to date for jessie.
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• 3128[19:19:51] <random_numbers> Huh. So those outside my country all seem to have the upgrades. Am I to assume local mirrors are unsafely out-of-date?
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• 3130[19:20:39] <somiaj> random_numbers: give more specifics. What upgrade package are you expecting?
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• 3133[19:21:06] <somiaj> random_numbers: i.e. what package do you think is out of date on the mirrors you are using?
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• 3138[19:21:40] <hicks_> are you sure you didn't just get 8.7?
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• 3140[19:21:49] <hicks_> should be a few package updates with that
• 3141[19:21:55] <hicks_> *8.6
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• 3144[19:22:49] <hicks_> systemd was one of the packages that was updated as part of that.
• 3145[19:22:56] <somiaj> was a point release, just released. That could take some time for it to propagate across the mirrors
• 3146[19:23:10] <hicks_> came out today replaced-url
• 3147[19:23:18] <random_numbers> If I check in the US or Russia, 51 upgrades are available, including python, systemd, vorbis-tools, etc. My country's didn't have any.
• 3148[19:23:20] <somiaj> in that case, random_numbers should apt-get update and provide the output of apt-cache policy systemd
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• 3150[19:23:43] <somiaj> random_numbers: I didn't realize a point release was just made. You may ahve to wait for them to propagate or use a different mirror.
• 3151[19:23:53] <random_numbers> Point releases?
• 3152[19:24:06] <somiaj> random_numbers: note if you use debian security or even proposed updates you may have many of the updates already isntalled
• 3153[19:24:09] <somiaj> !point release
• 3154[19:24:09] <dpkg> Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, incorporating security fixes and resolving grave bugs. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade". See <8.5>, <7.11>. replaced-url
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• 3156[19:25:05] <somiaj> random_numbers: so after a while they pool all the security updates and other updates that are due to bugs (and sometimes add a kernel update with more hardware support backported)
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• 3158[19:25:27] <somiaj> random_numbers: this way when you install debian stable you don't have years of updates you have then apply after.
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• 3162[19:26:56] <random_numbers> So apparently as I read the packages, yes, that's the update I'm getting. Thanks for mentioning it, I was worried.
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• 3237[20:03:47] <grimsley> what's the normal turnaround time for a new release to get added to either stable, testing, etc. ?
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• 3244[20:06:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> there are no releases of testing, only of stable
• 3245[20:06:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> for stable, see yourself
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• 3247[20:06:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, release history
• 3248[20:06:44] <dpkg> Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. replaced-url
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• 3253[20:08:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> packages go from unstable into testing after ca. 2 weeks if nothing (bugs, bugs in dependencies) keeps them back
• 3254[20:08:27] <awal1> grimsley, stable branch is released almost every 2 years
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• 3256[20:08:59] <grimsley> sorry, mis-worded the question: If a piece of software say FancyProgram 1.0 is currently available in the normal, etc. repos and tomorrow the authors of FancyProgram 1.0 release an update/upgrade to say FancyProgram 1.1 is there an expected time for that update to hit the repos.
• 3257[20:09:21] <Spec> definitely between 1-3 years
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• 3259[20:10:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, first someone has to package it, too, and in a way that is accepted into repos… then it's basically in unstable
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• 3267[20:16:17] <grimsley> Thank you
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• 3280[20:20:53] <maxcell_> my installation needs non-free-firmware, how can i copy the firmwares to the USB stick if when i mount it it becomes read-only?
• 3281[20:20:59] <surfist> is rsync good at recovering from failed transfers, partial files?
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• 3292[20:26:55] <somiaj> maxcell_: you have to put it on a different usb stick or you can complete the isntall without the firmware/network. And once you have a base system, copy the firmware over, get your network up and insatll the software you want.
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• 3294[20:27:42] <maxcell_> ok thanks somiaj im going to install the firmware since i finish the installation then
• 3295[20:27:45] <maxcell_> cya
• 3296[20:27:58] <somiaj> surfist: yes (though I'm a bit unsure how it deals with partial files as in will it start where it left off or just redo that one file). Look at the man pages, there are lots of config options to control the behaviour
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• 3304[20:31:26] <surfist> somiaj thanks
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• 3306[20:32:02] <surfist> cp -vru won't resume a file once the timestamp changes
• 3307[20:32:17] <surfist> so the trashed file never completes
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• 3309[20:33:35] <somiaj> surfist: I'm unsure if there is a better tool for large files. rynsc is good for file trees
• 3310[20:34:03] <somiaj> surfist: replaced-url
• 3311[20:34:08] <somiaj> is probably better info than myself
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• 3315[20:36:19] <petn-randall> rsync with --partial --append-verify is what you want.
• 3316[20:36:34] <petn-randall> ( + any other options you want)
• 3317[20:37:13] <surfist> petn-randall cool
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• 3319[20:38:10] <surfist> I have a couple backup scripts that use cp .. but if something fails I get unusable partials
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• 3324[20:42:13] <Guest> you can use scp over ssh
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• 3326[20:42:58] <surfist> some of it is for usb hdd attached to the box.. some of it will be for other lan machines to said hdd
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• 3329[20:44:07] <surfist> the lan machines seem to be happy with nfs for now
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• 3332[20:45:54] <jmd> Which package provides brctl ?
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• 3336[20:47:02] <babilen> dpkg: apt-file
• 3337[20:47:02] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
• 3338[20:47:09] <babilen> jmd: ^
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• 3340[20:47:43] <jmd> babilen: bash: apt-file: command not found
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• 3342[20:47:59] <towo`> install it
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• 3344[20:48:32] <babilen> (as mentioned in that factoid)
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• 3351[20:53:27] <PryMar56> jmd, bridge-tuils
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• 3353[20:53:56] <jmd> PryMar56: Thanks
• 3354[20:54:42] <surfist> bridge-utils
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• 3356[20:57:01] <iKarith> kingkong: if still curious, /srv is for the sysadmin to populate however they like. There's no real standard for how it gets used, but it's basically where things like ftp server and http document roots and system backups and network shares and whatever else you want to put there ought to go. Debian has declared it completely off limits in policy, but the governing standards simply say that anything written
• 3357[20:57:03] <iKarith> there must not be removed by system upgrades. That it isn't meant to be touched is why Debian continues to use /var/replaced-url
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• 3375[21:05:23] <gebruiker> How well are the ATI video cards supported in debian? HD5450. I read that the proprietary drivers are causing things to run slow and the opensource driver amdgpu to have poor 3d support.
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• 3398[21:13:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, how dare you guys not answer within 60 seconds. shame on you
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• 3400[21:14:22] <nerd811> hey hum isnt the wiki currently down?
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• 3402[21:14:30] <retry> was there a point release today?
• 3403[21:14:33] <nerd811> oh forget about it
• 3404[21:14:43] <nerd811> it went down for a couple seconds and not only for me
• 3405[21:14:56] <retry> yup looked like a DDOS on the security list server
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• 3407[21:16:05] <retry> im getting hits for apache, gpg, openssl, some python stuff...none of which is listed on the security announce mailing list
• 3408[21:16:15] <retry> but homepage says nothing about a point release either
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• 3418[21:17:48] <Guest> you can limit ddos attacks by using IPtables
• 3419[21:19:01] <retry> i'm not getting ddos'd
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• 3421[21:19:13] <retry> the hop above the debian list server was
• 3422[21:19:18] <retry> or showing symptoms anyway
• 3423[21:19:23] <retry> ok point release confirmed replaced-url
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• 3434[21:22:23] <debkad> i wonder if there is another solution to launch hddtemp as a normal user ( i used this sudo chmod u+s /usr/sbin/hddtemp but it still need sudo to work )
• 3435[21:24:01] <kingkong> iKarith: thanks you for explaining. i must search and learn more about it later
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• 3437[21:24:40] <spacebug^> if a have had the backport repositories added, and ren removed the package used there. Do I have to do somehting more than remove the repositories from sources.list to remove the packages from that repositories to show when listing packages? Any cache I should delete or somehting?
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• 3446[21:30:22] <nerd811> How long does it usually take for mirrors to download to sync with the newest update? The one I use still didnt update
• 3447[21:30:59] <Revelation> I'm trying to get wifi working on Debian. I have an Intel 8260 card, I used apt-get install to install iwlwifi, but it isn't working still. Using iwconfig it doesn't show the wlan0 interface. Anyone have any ideas?
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• 3449[21:32:17] <nerd811> Maybe it's hardware locked?
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• 3452[21:32:30] <nerd811> Also see if it needs proprietary firmware
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• 3456[21:33:04] <Revelation> I put windows on dualboot and it works on there, so I don't think there is a hardware switch off
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• 3458[21:33:35] <Revelation> iwlwifi says it supports the 8260, you mean I might need something from intel?
• 3459[21:33:46] <nerd811> No I'm not sure
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• 3462[21:34:15] <mrrhq> What about "iw link wlan0" or "ifconfig -a" ?
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• 3465[21:34:31] <towo`> what about dmesg | grep -i firmw
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• 3467[21:35:14] <mrrhq> Sorry, it would be "iw wlan0 link"
• 3468[21:35:53] <Revelation> mrrhq: that comes up with a bunch of options, as if I ran help. if config -a brings up eth0, lo, wwan0
• 3469[21:36:03] <julius_> whats a good gbit network card for linux that runs out of the box=?
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• 3471[21:36:16] <Revelation> towo`: that brings up trackpoint: IBM TrackPoint firmware 0x0e buttons 3/3
• 3472[21:36:19] <Revelation> nothing for the wifi
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• 3474[21:36:42] <Revelation> also says [Firmware Bug] ACPI: BIOS_OSI(Linux) query ignored
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• 3476[21:36:55] <towo`> but you have firmware-iwlwifi installed?
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• 3478[21:37:12] <mrrhq> Maybe you have a killswitch active, or rfkill is hiding it.
• 3479[21:37:16] <Revelation> I think so, I ran apt-get instal firmware-iwlwifi and if I do it again it says it's installed
• 3480[21:37:21] <Revelation> instal*
• 3481[21:37:28] <Revelation> install*
• 3482[21:37:44] <Revelation> mrrhq: there is a killswitch but it's not on, it works on windows still
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• 3484[21:37:48] <towo`> modprobe iwlwifi does work without errors?
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• 3489[21:38:38] <towo`> and maybe dmesg | grep -i iwl does give more hints
• 3490[21:38:42] <Revelation> when i run modprobe iwlwifi nothing happens
• 3491[21:39:03] <mrrhq> lsmod | grep iwlwifi
• 3492[21:39:03] <Revelation> same for that, it didn't find anything
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• 3495[21:39:46] <Revelation> mrrhq: that says iwlwifi 96547 0 cfg80211 413730 1 iwlwifi
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• 3513[21:45:47] <Revelation> fun fact, I have an lte card in here which debian picks up automatically but doesn't the wifi lol
• 3514[21:45:59] <mrrhq> replaced-url
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• 3516[21:46:09] <mrrhq> I just read this. Sounds like a backported kernel may be needed.
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• 3518[21:46:23] <mrrhq> Meaning, your card is "too new" for the kernel, possibly.
• 3519[21:46:41] <Revelation> ah okay
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• 3526[21:49:40] <Revelation> Mind giving me some quick info on a backported kernel? Do I just get the files off that intel site and put them in the firmware directory?
• 3527[21:49:59] <Revelation> I'm still learning :P
• 3528[21:50:06] <mrrhq> It's hard to say if that's needed to work. Maybe backporting the iwlwifi firmware would work. Or, just a hunch, if there was a way to disable wireless AC and use wireless N, then "maybe" it would work.
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• 3533[21:50:43] <mrrhq> Just for some more info, can you post modinfo iwlwifi | grep -E "^parm" in a pastebin?
• 3534[21:50:52] <Revelation> Yeah give me 1sec
• 3535[21:51:06] <Revelation> The first reply said he updated to debian testing and it worked
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• 3537[21:51:18] <Revelation> that was 2 months ago, that version still in testing?
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• 3544[21:53:42] <Revelation> replaced-url
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• 3547[21:54:49] <mrrhq> I don't think so. Stable isn't updated very often, unless it's about security updates.
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• 3553[21:56:54] <mrrhq> Everything looks okay to me. No options to disable AC though, just N.
• 3554[21:57:13] <mrrhq> I don't think changing the default options will help either...
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• 3565[22:01:25] <Revelation> Hmm
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• 3567[22:01:42] <Revelation> So backporting might not work?
• 3568[22:01:49] <Revelation> I could try going to the testing version
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• 3579[22:05:50] <mrrhq> Sadly, this channel is not a testing/unstable channel, so we can't help you here if you decide to go that route.
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• 3582[22:06:08] <mrrhq> !testing
• 3583[22:06:08] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
• 3584[22:06:10] <Revelation> Yeah I'd rather stay on the stable version if I could
• 3585[22:06:33] <towo`> then install a newer kernel from backports
• 3586[22:06:55] <mrrhq> Yeah, install a newer kernel and iwlwifi if it's avavilable from backports.
• 3587[22:07:24] <mrrhq> !debian-backports
• 3588[22:07:25] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 3591[22:07:50] <Revelation> Okay thanks I'll try it
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• 3594[22:08:08] <mrrhq> No problem. :)
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• 3603[22:10:09] <ashok> hey
• 3604[22:10:28] <debkad> finally i got hddtemp running, with the help of netcat
• 3605[22:11:00] <ashok> i am running i3wm with i3lock
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• 3607[22:11:19] <ashok> is there a way to make i3lock automatically startx
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• 3609[22:11:30] <ashok> and take me to lock screen
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• 3611[22:11:59] <debkad> see the config
• 3612[22:12:13] <debkad> .i3/config or something like that
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• 3614[22:12:50] <ashok> ya i have added i3lock to config
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• 3617[22:13:02] <ashok> but i have to enter startx all the time
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• 3620[22:13:11] <ashok> i want to avoid that
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• 3624[22:13:28] <ashok> and directly go to the lock screen
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• 3632[22:15:51] <mrrhq> ashok: You want i3lock to be a display manager? I'm not sure how. I always boot up to a getty and type in startx when I want to. I'm used to it. Lol.
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• 3634[22:16:19] <debkad> yes i still don't get what he want
• 3635[22:16:19] <ashok> ya almost like a dm =D
• 3636[22:16:26] <maziar> why i get this error on installing zsh ? replaced-url
• 3637[22:17:31] <ashok> or if theres a way to auto startx ??
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• 3642[22:19:13] <debkad> ashok, install something like lightdm , xdm
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• 3647[22:19:51] <ashok> @debkad tried xdm, its a hassle to get shutdown button working on it
• 3648[22:20:08] <debkad> lightdm
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• 3651[22:20:49] <julius_> is there a way to stop my network manager from messing with the interfaces, for some time? need to attach a router that also runs a dhcp from time to time for testing
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• 3653[22:21:00] <ashok> takes a whole 14 seconds to login screen
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• 3655[22:21:17] <julius_> so everytime i attach the ethernet cable the default route changes to the ethernet ip
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• 3657[22:21:32] <julius_> but the router is not connected on the WAN interface....so it goes nowhere
• 3658[22:21:35] <mrrhq> I used to use one called Slim, since it had some nice features, but it's seriously outdated now by LightDM.
• 3659[22:21:56] <debkad> hmm i think may be use systemd if you have it
• 3660[22:21:58] <ashok> ya no longer being maintained
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• 3667[22:23:23] <debkad> ashok, replaced-url
• 3668[22:23:27] <ashok> @maziar zsh is availabe in jessie and not in jessie-updates
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• 3670[22:24:13] <ashok> tried that
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• 3672[22:24:18] <debkad> o_o
• 3673[22:24:20] <Capum321> `systemd status foo.service` with `ExecStart=/bin/rtcwake -s 250 -m mem` >(code=exited, status=203/EXEC) - Active: failed
• 3674[22:24:28] <ashok> took me to console with some error
• 3675[22:24:28] <debkad> that the fastest way to login
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• 3680[22:24:52] <debkad> from that line it say 'Make sure that startx is properly configured.'
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• 3682[22:25:00] <debkad> check it
• 3683[22:25:22] <maziar> ashok thank you
• 3684[22:25:43] <ashok> sure i will try that
• 3685[22:25:46] <mrrhq> If you have .xinitrc, you could also put in "exec i3lock" on the first line.
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• 3687[22:25:55] <pingfloyd> ashok: just put something like "[ -z $DISPLAY && $XDG_VTNR -eq 1 ]] && exec startx" in your ~/.profile
• 3688[22:25:56] <mrrhq> So that startx will bring you to that.
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• 3691[22:26:15] <debkad> Capum321, journalctl -xe when that happen it will tell you more
• 3692[22:26:16] <mrrhq> I mean, whoops. Without the "exec" part.
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• 3694[22:26:27] <pingfloyd> change the value to whatever tty you want X to automatically start up on when you login
• 3695[22:26:47] <mrrhq> So "i3lock" on the first line, then "exec <yourwm>" on the second line.
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• 3697[22:27:09] <mrrhq> Something like that. But it's hacky.
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• 3700[22:27:26] <debkad> brb
• 3701[22:27:53] <mrrhq> You need X to start for i3lock to work in the first place.
• 3702[22:27:56] <pingfloyd> if i3lock runs continuously on invocation, background it with '&'
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• 3704[22:28:26] <pingfloyd> last line in your .xinitrc should be exec with your wm or session launcher
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• 3710[22:32:17] <ashok> thanks mrrhq
• 3711[22:32:26] <ashok> did [ -z $DISPLAY && $XDG_VTNR -eq 1 ]] && exec startx" in your ~/.profile this
• 3712[22:32:27] <mrrhq> Is using "exec /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager" a good idea? It's not portable to non-Debian OSes, right?
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• 3715[22:33:10] <pingfloyd> ashok: you're missing a [
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• 3717[22:33:48] <ashok> ya fixed that
• 3718[22:33:52] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: it should be fine
• 3719[22:33:55] <ashok> still end up on the console
• 3720[22:33:57] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: then you can easily change your wm
• 3721[22:34:05] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: through update-alternatives
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• 3729[22:35:35] <ashok> i ended up on the console
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• 3731[22:35:44] <ashok> and did source .profile
• 3732[22:35:48] <ashok> and boom
• 3733[22:35:56] <ashok> it worked
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• 3738[22:36:30] <pingfloyd> ashok: what your login shell?
• 3739[22:36:36] <ashok> zsh
• 3740[22:36:44] <pingfloyd> that's probably why it isn't working
• 3741[22:36:50] <pingfloyd> .profile is for bash
• 3742[22:36:52] <ashok> oh
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• 3744[22:37:08] <pingfloyd> so you need to edit the login script for zsh
• 3745[22:37:22] <ashok> is it .zprofile ??
• 3746[22:37:29] <pingfloyd> don't ask me, I use bash
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• 3748[22:38:10] <mrrhq> I thought zsh at least read .bash_profile (not sure about .profile).
• 3749[22:38:14] <ashok> but isnt zsh better than bash ?? why not switch
• 3750[22:38:21] <mrrhq> I haven't used zsh in a long time though.
• 3751[22:38:23] <pingfloyd> not in my opinion
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• 3755[22:38:51] <ashok> woah flame wars !! jk jk
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• 3757[22:38:55] <RobinC> "man zsh" has a nice section on startup.shutdown files and where they live and what they are called
• 3758[22:38:58] <pingfloyd> you want me to answer why you're using zsh?
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• 3760[22:39:13] <ashok> no bruh
• 3761[22:39:25] <mrrhq> It is technically better, because it has more features. But you can do a lot of powerful stuff with just bash and it's shell options "shopt".
• 3762[22:39:39] <ashok> oh ok
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• 3764[22:39:57] <pingfloyd> I think of zsh more like bash with training wheels
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• 3767[22:40:25] <ashok> true tho
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• 3770[22:40:35] <michal_> hello
• 3771[22:40:41] <mrrhq> Has more features for interactive users. But yeah, it's just too fancy for me, too much to learn. :p
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• 3775[22:41:06] <ashok> so if i change the default shell to bash, will it start working the right way ??
• 3776[22:41:06] <michal_> I got weird networking problem
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• 3779[22:41:10] <pingfloyd> also bash is practically installed everywhere
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• 3783[22:41:54] <pingfloyd> it's pretty rare I ever see any system without bash already installed in many different OSes.
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• 3785[22:42:01] <michal_> I have a KVM VM
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• 3788[22:42:22] <michal_> and it cannot resolve hostnames
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• 3790[22:42:36] <michal_> I use local nameserver running on the host
• 3791[22:42:58] <michal_> and the tspdump output in the kvm does not show any DNS packets
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• 3793[22:43:13] <michal_> but it shows hostnames
• 3794[22:43:19] <ashok> ya but its just that it zsh has awesome plugins support,
• 3795[22:43:31] <michal_> try dash
• 3796[22:43:38] <michal_> it has awesome bugs
• 3797[22:43:48] <mrrhq> Lol, dash is NOT made to be used interactively, at all.
• 3798[22:43:52] <pingfloyd> I don't want to build up dependency on all of that extra stuff
• 3799[22:43:54] <ashok> it had all the bells and whistles to attract me T_T
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• 3801[22:44:56] <mrrhq> Besides, I feel like dash is a little crippled and useless compared to sh. We used to need it for sysvinit to start up faster. Now that systemd has taken over, what else do we really need dash for at this point?
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• 3803[22:45:17] <michal_> it's used in initrd
• 3804[22:45:19] <michal_> or was
• 3805[22:45:41] <michal_> debugging the failures of *valid* initrd scripts is awesome
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• 3807[22:45:50] <pingfloyd> dash pretty much is for you sh support
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• 3812[22:47:05] <ashok> finally !!!!
• 3813[22:47:10] <mrrhq> I think dash is closer to ash than bsh. Sh is like an umbrella term for many basic shells nowadays.
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• 3815[22:47:24] <michal_> so either I hit some weird host-guest networking bug or set ups something wrong. Or possibly both
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• 3817[22:47:29] <ashok> changed the default shell to bash !!
• 3818[22:47:30] <pingfloyd> pretty much, but some shells have better sh compatibility than others
• 3819[22:47:32] <ashok> and it worked
• 3820[22:47:38] <ashok> thanks guys
• 3821[22:47:45] <debkad> good
• 3822[22:47:53] <ashok> bye
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• 3827[22:48:46] <michal_> oh, yeah. some sh:s have worse sh compatibility than others
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• 3829[22:49:22] <mrrhq> ashok: Later.
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• 3833[22:50:48] <mrrhq> Side note. I tried tcsh, and didn't really care for it. A handful of BSD users use it by default for some reason.
• 3834[22:50:57] <ashok> see ya tom.
• 3835[22:51:08] <ashok> good night
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• 3845[22:58:33] <xpkill23> l
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• 3851[23:01:21] <chachasmooth> new release of debian 8?
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• 3854[23:01:48] <dutchfish> chachasmooth, yes, 8.6
• 3855[23:01:54] <Capum321> debkad: thanks. solved. now, a user made .timer won't start/activate after a reboot?
• 3856[23:01:55] <chachasmooth> :))
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• 3860[23:02:35] <debkad> Capum321, timer is a static unit imho, you just enable it
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• 3867[23:04:19] <Capum321> should have a command to activate it not manually way?
• 3868[23:05:00] <debkad> Capum321, in general, systemctl enable your_service
• 3869[23:05:38] <Capum321> debkad: the .timer enables itself?
• 3870[23:06:13] <Capum321> they aren't anymore on list-timers
• 3871[23:06:19] <debkad> Capum321, to be sure, systemctl is-enabled your_service
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• 3888[23:12:40] <Capum321> debkad: no, they are disable, the timer static
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• 3891[23:12:59] <debkad> enable it
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• 3897[23:14:57] <Capum321> all right
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• 3905[23:16:36] <Capum321> debkad: ok
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• 3908[23:17:05] <Capum321> done!
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• 3916[23:18:29] <AndChat26676> How do I get awesome fonts and fonts rendering on Debian? Coming from Ubuntu.
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• 3920[23:19:10] <michal_> AndChat26676: are your fonts not awesome? What do you not like about them?
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• 3924[23:19:51] <debkad> AndChat26676, download them and put them to ~/.fonts or in the system font directory then run, fc-cache -vf
• 3925[23:20:14] <AndChat26676> Michal_ well the webpages I read look ugly now in Debian
• 3926[23:20:37] <debkad> this is where you get awesome font replaced-url
• 3927[23:20:39] <mrrhq> This may help some, since it's font-config centralized, which is what Debian is using: replaced-url
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• 3930[23:21:02] <michal_> it's what Ubuntu is using as well
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• 3932[23:21:21] <michal_> AndChat26676: which pages and what is ugly on them?
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• 3936[23:22:20] <mrrhq> My favorite font, btw, is Terminus (xfonts-terminus), though I'm using Terminus-TTF with unifont support.
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• 3938[23:22:35] <michal_> I use Deja Vu as general purpose Latin font and it has support for most Latin characters and looks reasonably well and is installed by default if you install a desktop environment
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• 3940[23:23:15] <michal_> so if you get really bad font rendering you are hitting some special case and need to describe that in detail
• 3941[23:23:34] <AndChat26676> .michal_ well if you want specific websites nu.nl Facebook
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• 3945[23:24:54] <michal_> AndChat26676: I see nothing wrong with it
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• 3947[23:26:02] <AndChat26676> What do you think of infinality michal_?
• 3948[23:26:25] <michal_> no idea
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• 3954[23:28:33] <Capum321> debkad: hello? i don't understand. i should activate .timers not the services?
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• 3957[23:29:05] <debkad> Capum321, the one you want it to be loaded every reboot
• 3958[23:29:20] <michal_> AndChat26676: replaced-url
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• 3961[23:29:50] <Capum321> with enable too?
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• 3964[23:31:38] <Capum321> it doesn't work
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• 3968[23:32:28] <debkad> Capum321, of course the service/timer you want it to be start at boot must be enabled
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• 3973[23:33:59] <Capum321> is this lag?
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• 3977[23:35:36] <debkad> Capum321, as i said, you can check it if enabled or not by: systemctl is-enabled your_service
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• 3979[23:36:30] <debkad> if yes and didn't work that mean there is a problem in the service itself ( the way you created it to be )
• 3980[23:37:18] <Capum321> debkad: they are enable, the problem relies on activating the .timers. shouldn't they be in list-timers?
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• 3983[23:37:34] <debkad> yes
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• 3985[23:37:39] <Capum321> they aren't
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• 3994[23:42:26] <mado> hello everyone : )
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• 3996[23:42:39] <Capum321> debkad: ?
• 3997[23:42:46] <debkad> Capum321, it is running ?
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• 3999[23:43:27] <debkad> systemctl is-active or systemctl status
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• 4003[23:43:35] <Capum321> the .service run when triggered byt the respective .timer
• 4004[23:43:42] <mado> I'm sorry - I'm new here ... bill-auger of #Trisquel told me to come here and ask you for help ...
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• 4006[23:44:00] <mado> I'm trying to understand a line on your website regarding live images -> Languages: The images do not contain a complete set of language support packages. If you need input methods, fonts and supplemental language packages for your language, you'll need to install these afterwards.
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• 4008[23:44:13] <mado> Does this mean I cannot get a foregin language keyboard layout right from the start?
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• 4012[23:45:49] <debkad> Capum321, check its status and see if it fail and why ( use sudo journalctl -xe to see more detail when you start/restart it )
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• 4017[23:46:38] <foul_owl> Hi folks. Having an issue with my mouse with a few applications. dosbox and zandronum (doom port)
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• 4019[23:46:51] <foul_owl> The only commonality I can find is perhaps both use SDL for mouse input?
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• 4026[23:49:44] <mado> You see I'm trying to find out right now which ISO file i need to download and try to see if it works with my pen drive : ) ... it'd be great if the system afterwards would show text, etc in a foreign language and or use a foreign language keyboard layout but if it doesn't it's okay too ... as long as i can install the desired language afterwards (am asking about this because some of my family members don't know any English)
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• 4028[23:50:18] <Capum321> debkad: there is no fail the service work when start service
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• 4034[23:51:32] <debkad> Capum321, if it is enabled and active that mean it working
• 4035[23:51:44] <debkad> if not check the service
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• 4038[23:52:28] <Capum321> but I am talking about the .timer?
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• 4041[23:53:00] <Capum321> they are enable, not active, waiting for some trigger
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• 4049[23:54:34] <Capum321> the service working with `systemctl start service` manually see?
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• 4053[23:55:15] <Capum321> how to put .timer in list-timer as active?
• 4054[23:55:25] <debkad> enable it
• 4055[23:55:30] <Capum321> i can't!
• 4056[23:55:34] <debkad> o_o
• 4057[23:55:38] <Capum321> it remains static
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• 4060[23:56:08] <debkad> it may start when the exact timing come
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• 4065[23:57:18] <debkad> Capum321, take a look in this example replaced-url
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• 4074[23:58:29] <Capum321> chmod could be 644 ?
• 4075[23:59:00] <mado> Capum321 and debkad ... excuse me? ... is there some protocol i've missed or something? could you tell me please?
• 4076[23:59:01] <peterrooney> mado: try the network installer (netinst). it has a VERY long list of languages available in expert install mode, so it may well have your desired language and keyboard layout.
• 4077[23:59:14] <mado> oh ... hello peterrooney :)
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