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0[00:00:15] <ErkiDerLoony> Since two of those processes are
the two `find`s.
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1[00:00:23] <ErkiDerLoony> Or at least one of the m is...
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3[00:01:33] <hmuller> When creating a preseed file for
noninteractive configuration using debootstrap, should all questions
for a package be copied to the preseed file, or just the questions
that have already been asked?
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4[00:01:46] <CyberManifest> can anyone here tell me how to get
apt and thus apt-get installed onto my Arch distro? the guys over @
Arch won't help :( keep advising against it, I just wanna be
able to use an alternative package manager, like I can use an
alternative desktop environment or terminal shell etc. I thought
Linux was all about options and choice.
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8[00:03:32] <CyberManifest> like can I use wget apt or
something like that to get it?
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10[00:03:44] <CyberManifest> or what about Linuxbrew will it
allow me to install apt?
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11[00:03:56] <wedgie> CyberManifest: there seems to be an AUR
package
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12[00:04:16] <ErkiDerLoony> Hi CyberManifest! ;)
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13[00:04:37] <CyberManifest> ErkiDerLoony, Hi
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17[00:05:33] <ErkiDerLoony> If you really want to do it you
should use makepkg and build the apt package from the AUR.
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19[00:05:51] <ErkiDerLoony> Or use something like pacaur (a
pacman wrapper that can also handle the AUR).
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31[00:12:26] <NeilHanlon> Hey everyone--i've got a bit of
a random question about the upcoming debian 9 release. I'm
running debian 8, but on the 4.8 kernel from jessie-backports. Am I
going to have issues upgrading?
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35[00:13:10] * aypea[0] didn't have issues using custom kernels
fwiw.
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36[00:13:20] <dax> NeilHanlon: should be fine
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37[00:14:15] <NeilHanlon> Alright. I imagine I should just
remove the jessie-backports deb line when I upgrade?
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38[00:14:35] <aypea[0]> aye
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39[00:14:39] <aypea[0]> no stretch-backports yet
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41[00:14:50] <NeilHanlon> Cool
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44[00:15:44] <NeilHanlon> Any scuttlebut about when the
official release is?
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45[00:16:00] <aypea[0]> when it's released, I think. ;)
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46[00:16:39] <aypea[0]> woo. we're in full freeze now
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48[00:16:45] <aypea[0]>
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55[00:17:46] <NeilHanlon> aypea[0]: haha I was just going to
say "or is it just 'when it's released'" :P
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57[00:18:01] <aypea[0]> =)
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101[00:44:13] <foul_owl> kingsley: yes, I have searched on
google
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102[00:44:27] <foul_owl> I've been having this issue for
months now, and have yet to find someone who can solve it
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104[00:45:41] <foul_owl> Is there a way I can try a different
window manager without losing all my x.org windows? I have about 30
different windows currently open across 6 different workspaces. I
can do it, but I will lose hours of work getting my workspaces set
up again
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106[00:50:47] <mtn> foul_owl, you could make a new user and test
a new window manager as the new user.
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109[00:51:39] <Plushwolf> Hi
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110[00:51:53] <ErkiDerLoony> There also used to be options like
`compiz --replace` but I wouldn't guarantee that this works or
keeps any window positions intact.
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112[00:53:27] <Plushwolf> Let's assume that I have sudo
installed and gave a user sudo access. Now the user got hacked and
someone else logged in and is now sudo'ing with the user login
password. ... Now, what would be the best solution? Avoid sudo and
using root instead but doesn't let root login using ssh? Or
using sudo with special restrictions? In some part sudo looks like a
more security issue to me.
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114[00:53:48] <b0t> hello, when i send email (mail -v -s
"test" namen@gmail.com) my sender name is
user@admin@example.com, how to change this?
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115[00:54:52] <ErkiDerLoony> b0t: mail has a -r switch for the
return address; is that what the "sender name" shows?
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118[00:56:23] <b0t> I cant change the two @, tell my the command
mail -r root? ErkiDerLoony
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121[00:57:05] <ErkiDerLoony> `mail -s "test" -r
"sender@example.com" name@gmail.com`
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123[00:57:30] <b0t> 050 >>> MAIL
From:<jack@admin@doamin.net> SIZE=453
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124[00:57:48] <b0t> 050 553-5.1.2 The sender address
<jack@admin@chatsi.net> is not a valid RFC-5321
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130[00:58:58] <b0t> I need change the defautl address @ @
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137[01:00:20] <Plushwolf> Let's assume that I have sudo
installed and gave a user sudo access. Now the user got hacked and
someone else logged in and is now sudo'ing with the user login
password. ... Now, what would be the best solution? Avoid sudo and
using root instead but doesn't let root login using ssh? Or
using sudo with special restrictions? In some part sudo looks like a
more security issue to me.
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141[01:02:01] <foul_owl> mtn: are you certain I will not lose my
x.org windows if I do that? Fluxbox only has the "exit"
option in the menu
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144[01:03:02] <mtn> foul_owl, oh, you can't afford to
logout?
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145[01:03:06] <wedgie> Plushwolf: if the user was using root
instead of their own account with sudo privs then the root account
would have just been compromised and you'd be in the same
position
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147[01:03:33] <aypea[0]> foul_owl: the hassle you may be
experiencing is that your window manager may be the process that
stops the x initialisation script from finishing. if that finishes
then you lose your X session. if you want to play with window
managers you'll need to use something else as the stopper and
& your window manager
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148[01:04:03] <foul_owl> Well I would prefer to not play with
other window managers tbh
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149[01:04:07] <Plushwolf> wedgie: Yes, that's right, but is
it possible to prevent that by removing/avoiding sudo? It's
just in theory now, don't get it too productive :)
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150[01:04:12] <foul_owl> Just trying to fix this gnome3
maximizing bug
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151[01:04:24] <foul_owl> programs that use gnome3, ie, evince,
are unusable
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153[01:04:49] <wedgie> Plushwolf: if the user doesn't need
root privileges then don't give them sudo access. I'm not
sure I understand what you're getting at
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154[01:04:52] <aypea[0]> foul_owl: then it is likely that gnome3
stuff is the stopper and it just runs the wm for you. how it deals
with the wm vanishing, I dunno. I use xfce which simply
couldn't care less.
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155[01:04:52] <foul_owl> They appear half off the screen, cannot
be resized, and cannot be maximized
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156[01:05:04] <foul_owl> I use fluxbox
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157[01:05:09] <foul_owl> I hate gnome3 with a passion
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158[01:05:33] <aypea[0]> ahhh. I see what you meant.
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160[01:05:53] <aypea[0]> foul: try alt-<mouse-drag> ?
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161[01:06:07] <aypea[0]> on the window.
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162[01:06:32] <foul_owl> The cursor changes to a grabbing hand,
but the window refuses to budge
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163[01:06:40] <aypea[0]> how rude!
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164[01:06:41] <foul_owl> It is "stuck"
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165[01:06:43] <foul_owl> lol
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166[01:06:54] <foul_owl> windows 3.1 has a more usable gui than
gnome3
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167[01:07:06] <foul_owl> Even as I don't use gnome3
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168[01:07:10] <foul_owl> o_O
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169[01:07:25] <aypea[0]> can fluxbox run a command? if so you
could try getting it to exec a different window manager to see if it
has the same issue. there is a risk, though
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171[01:07:53] <foul_owl> Just a regular shell command?
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173[01:08:03] <foul_owl> Or a fluxbox specific command?
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175[01:08:15] <wedgie> foul_owl: terrible solution: Try it in a
VM
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176[01:08:27] <aypea[0]> foul_owl: shell. oh. wait. no. that
wont work. sorry.
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177[01:08:35] <foul_owl> Hmm, a vm would be a workaround for
sure
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178[01:08:56] <aypea[0]> or bite the bullet, log out and try
something different :)
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179[01:09:09] <foul_owl> xmonad is appealing for sure
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180[01:09:17] <foul_owl> But I don't know all the keys yet
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181[01:09:23] <foul_owl> Maybe I'll bug #gnome
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185[01:12:12] <bazhang> foul_owl, you probably want to withhold
the comments on gnome and windows 3.1 there
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188[01:12:51] <foul_owl> haha understood
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190[01:13:09] <foul_owl> It's true though....on windows 3.1
_all windows are moveable_
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191[01:13:16] <foul_owl> or resizeable
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193[01:13:31] <foul_owl> Not the case here for gods know what
reason o_O
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194[01:14:31] <aypea[0]> foul_owl: it helps provide a better,
more consistent user experience. *cough*
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196[01:14:35] <bazhang> why not use gnome tweak tool for that
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197[01:14:48] <foul_owl> What is the gnome tweak tool?
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198[01:14:59] <bazhang> something to do just what you want
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199[01:15:04] <foul_owl> I don't use gnome so I have no
knowledge of these things
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200[01:15:16] <foul_owl> Let me google that first
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203[01:16:57] <foul_owl> gnome-tweak-tool has the same problem
as evince, it shows up half off my screen, cannot be resized or
moved
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240[01:33:46] <somerandomnick> is this the right place to ask
about ALSA problems?
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241[01:34:02] <somerandomnick> whatever volume I set with amixer
or alsamixer, the sound is still coming out at the same volume when
I play a song with mpv
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251[01:36:13] <bazhang> somerandomnick, what is PCM set to
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252[01:37:22] <somerandomnick> I have "Master",
"Headphone Detect", "Speaker", "Line
out", "Beep", "Audio Mute" and
"Play-through"
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253[01:37:26] <somerandomnick> am I missing that
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254[01:38:34] <bazhang> in alsamixer?
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256[01:39:31] <somerandomnick> yep
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260[01:40:21] <bazhang> check master, then
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261[01:40:28] <bazhang> is it set to 100
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262[01:41:38] <somerandomnick> it is set to 0
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263[01:41:46] <somerandomnick> but not muted
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264[01:41:56] <bazhang> what is the very top
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266[01:42:06] <somerandomnick> ho-hum?
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267[01:44:44] <somerandomnick> bazhang: do you mean which one is
set to the highest?
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268[01:44:48] <somerandomnick> they are all set to 0
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269[01:45:37] <bazhang> somerandomnick, are you able to set them
above zero
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270[01:45:45] <somerandomnick> yep, sure thing
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271[01:45:51] <somerandomnick> doesn't change the sound
coming out though
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272[01:46:35] <bazhang> somerandomnick, which devices are you
trying to play sound with, and have you installed padevchooser and
pavucontrol
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275[01:47:06] <somerandomnick> I lie, "Beep" affects
the volume of the beep
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277[01:47:18] <somerandomnick> I'm just using ALSA, no
pulseaudio stuff installed
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278[01:47:31] <somerandomnick> "Master" doesn't
affect the volume of the beep though
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281[01:47:53] <zykotick9> somerandomnick: do you have another
audio device? F6 in alsamixer.
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282[01:48:00] <somerandomnick> nope, just the one
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287[01:52:58] <mickael_> hi, not sureif I should ask here, in
#lxc or #systemd, but how do you disable systemd-journald.service
systemd-journald.socket and systemd-journald-dev-log.socket in a
container ? I ran systemctl disable on each services, restarted the
container and they still appears as running (other services I
disabled are, as expected, not running anymore)
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288[01:54:28] <FinalX> it's part of systemd's core, so
you can't really do without it. you could install sysvinit-core
to replace systemd in containers though, for example.
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290[01:54:30] <mickael_> oh I need to run mask
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291[01:54:39] <bazhang> somerandomnick, did you or did you net
get the packages I stated above
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292[01:54:45] <bazhang> not
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293[01:55:13] <somerandomnick> bazhang: I did not, are those not
for PulseAudio?
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295[01:55:21] <bazhang> yes
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296[01:55:30] <somerandomnick> I am just using ALSA
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297[01:56:01] <bazhang> an alsamixer that does not have PCM
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298[01:56:08] <bazhang> never seen that before
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299[01:56:15] <mickael_> FinalX: masking them did the trick
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301[01:56:44] <FinalX> ok
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303[01:57:36] <mickael_> and systemd-journal-flush.service can
be disabled as well 'cause it failed to start :)
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304[01:57:52] <somerandomnick> bazhang: it's possible I
have not installed ALSA correctly
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305[01:57:58] <somerandomnick> although my hardware is also a
little strange
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307[01:58:15] <bazhang> somerandomnick, was this a net install
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308[01:58:30] <somerandomnick> yep
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309[01:58:35] <somerandomnick> but I installed the ALSA stuff
myself
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310[01:58:38] <somerandomnick> possibly wrong
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311[01:58:46] <bazhang> and what device did you instll debian on
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313[01:59:43] <bazhang> you tried to compile alsa yourself to
instll on debian net install?
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314[01:59:51] <somerandomnick> nope
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315[01:59:59] <somerandomnick> did a net install selecting
almost no packages
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316[02:00:03] <somerandomnick> then later installed some alsa
packages
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318[02:00:41] <bazhang> which ones
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320[02:01:07] <bazhang> alsa-utils ?
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328[02:02:18] <somerandomnick> alsa-base, alsa-utils, alsa-oss,
alsamixergui
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330[02:06:02] <TomTomTo1> did you add yourself to the audio
group?
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341[02:10:52] <Neobenedict> ok rsync is too slow
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342[02:10:59] <Neobenedict> what is faster for transfering lots
of files
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343[02:11:09] <bazhang> how slow
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346[02:11:41] <bazhang> what is the destination in this case
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348[02:11:59] <Neobenedict> server->server
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349[02:12:02] <Neobenedict> im only getting 30MB/s
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350[02:12:09] <Neobenedict> its cpu limited
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351[02:12:17] <somerandomnick> TomTomTo1: nope but I can hear
audio I play
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352[02:12:21] <bazhang> distant or nearby
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353[02:12:30] <Neobenedict> right next to each other
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354[02:12:44] <Neobenedict> these things can transfer 110MB/s
over http
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377[02:27:08] <dgm78> Hi! I removed php executable and apt-get
install php5 do not create a new php, why??? (I'm new in
Debian)
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379[02:28:29] <klys> try apt-get install --reinstall php5
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381[02:28:59] <klys> if it doesn't still check
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384[02:31:54] <abrotman> because that's not the package
that installs it
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385[02:32:01] <abrotman> judd: file bin/php
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386[02:32:05] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with
that file.
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387[02:32:09] <abrotman> judd: file bin/php5
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388[02:32:12] <judd> Search for bin/php5 in jessie/amd64:
php5-cli: usr/bin/php5; php5-cgi: usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5
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391[02:34:32] <somerandomnick> so
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392[02:34:41] <somerandomnick> muting and unmuting Master /does/
mute and unmute sound
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393[02:34:56] <somerandomnick> just changing the level does
nothing
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394[02:35:11] <klys> are you plugged into "line out?"
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395[02:35:46] <klys> if so, try plugging into
"speaker" instead.
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400[02:38:51] <somerandomnick> "Line out" is muted
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402[02:38:55] <somerandomnick> the speakers are internal
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405[02:41:22] <klys> is it a laptop/notebook/tablet pc?
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406[02:42:40] <pierrot> Hi. While using eclipse Neon.2 I get
some strange visualisation errors:
replaced-url
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407[02:42:45] <pierrot> I'm on Debian Jessie
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410[02:43:40] <dgm78> abrotman: thanks
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411[02:44:49] <somerandomnick> klys: it's an all-in-one
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412[02:45:49] <klys> somerandomnick, the reason I ask is because
if you are using a desktop pc, you might be referring to the PC
speaker as "internal sound."
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415[02:46:55] <somerandomnick> ah right
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416[02:47:08] <somerandomnick> yeah there's no PC speaker
beep-thing
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417[02:47:11] <somerandomnick> just the ones on the outside
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418[02:47:12] <marioxcc_> Hello. Where is the documentation for
XKB symbols files (the ones that define keyboard layouts for X.org)?
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420[02:48:01] <klys> somerandomnick, does it go over an HDMI
connection?
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422[02:48:29] <somerandomnick> nope
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423[02:48:31] <klys> k
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424[02:48:34] <somerandomnick> it's a 1999 iMac for some
context
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426[02:49:33] <klys> somerandomnick, lspci | grep Audio and
compare the results to your alsa drivers which you can list with
lsmod | grep snd
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428[02:50:22] <somerandomnick> ok wow
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429[02:50:23] <klys> if you have the right ALSA driver loaded,
you should have a mixer available for volume adjustment.
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430[02:50:28] <somerandomnick> so no output with lspci | grep
Audio
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431[02:50:37] <somerandomnick> that's fun
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432[02:51:06] <klys> hmm it might be listed elsewhere, try lspci
| less and search for your sound hardware
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435[02:51:39] <klys> actually pc's from the 90s are also
listed with lspnp and pnpdump
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437[02:51:58] <n4dir> a Mac ain't a PC though, or is it?
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438[02:52:05] <n4dir> try this:
replaced-url
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440[02:52:18] <klys> cool
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442[02:52:59] <n4dir> which is not very clear, as far it's
me. I entered iMac G5 at wiki.debian.org, and the result helped me
to get it sorted (the bad news: i didn't understand much and
forgot it again ... Good luck)
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443[02:53:30] <n4dir> else there is a debian-ppc channel, might
be worth a try, but is often rather silent
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444[02:55:34] <somerandomnick> n4dir: I /think/ it has detected
the right module
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446[02:55:44] <somerandomnick> it says "PowerMac
Screamer"
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449[02:56:58] <n4dir> somerandomnick: i offered only a few
links/hints. The subject is above me.
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451[02:58:25] <redrabbit> how can i enable ssh on a new image
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452[02:58:36] <linearlogic123> I accidentally change the sudoers
file and I throwing some catch on line 9 and 10.
replaced-url
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453[02:59:05] <linearlogic123> something with the
"Defaults" and "secure_path"
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455[03:00:04] <somerandomnick>
replaced-url
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456[03:00:12] <somerandomnick> this might be my issue
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459[03:01:58] <n4dir> I think oswaldkelsoo stilll visits
forums.debian, and he has lots of experience with ppc-Macs. Make a
thread, if you like. Either he runs into it, or i will tell him
someone needs help with ppc/sound/etc.
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462[03:04:15] <somerandomnick> n4dir: cheers
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464[03:05:50] <linearlogic123> I accidentally change the sudoers
file and I throwing some catch on line 9 and 10.
replaced-url
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466[03:06:12] <linearlogic123> I tried googling the file myself
but haven't fixed it.
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467[03:06:30] <n4dir> somerandomnick: i forwarded the info.
Let's hope he will see it soon and be able to help.
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481[03:10:20] <newcoder> How can I download source code of
4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae from jessie-backports?
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482[03:10:29] <b0t> I have a big problem, -bash:
/usr/sbin/newaliases: No such file or directory
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483[03:10:41] <n4dir> linearlogic123: try this (vanilla, after
installing sudo):
replaced-url
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484[03:10:47] <b0t> how to fix it?
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485[03:11:11] <fatalhalt> where can I find Debian 3.1
'sarge' iso download for i386?
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488[03:13:40] <aerth> does this work
replaced-url
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489[03:14:17] <newcoder> apt-get source
linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae , where does it download the
source code?
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490[03:14:35] <fatalhalt> aerth, let me see, thanks, I was here
replaced-url
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491[03:14:42] <linearlogic123> n4dir: just to be sure
"Write out" is saving right?
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492[03:15:17] <aerth> Yes i see now
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494[03:15:56] <aerth> must be hard to find mirrors for that old
of a release
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495[03:16:21] <n4dir> linearlogic123: i don't understand.
sorry. late at night and all ...
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498[03:17:51] <linearlogic123> k thanks
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499[03:17:55] <aerth> fatalhalt: seems like november 2nd at
20:08 the builds failed for all of 3.1
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501[03:18:27] <aerth> who did that i wonder
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503[03:18:36] <linearlogic123> So I guess I have a bigger
problem I get this error: >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error
near line 11 <<<
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504[03:18:51] <fatalhalt> aerth, hmmm :)
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506[03:18:55] <linearlogic123> Whats happening?
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507[03:19:49] <aerth> "Some events disturbed the project
while working on Sarge, as Debian servers were attacked by fire and
hackers. "
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512[03:21:34] <fatalhalt> aerth, that's horrible :(
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513[03:21:53] <fatalhalt> aerth, i have this binary program that
is linked against 3.3.5 gcc (Debian), ELF targets >=Linux 2.2.0
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516[03:22:40] <aerth> wont work with >3.3.5 ?
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517[03:22:42] <fatalhalt> and lib boost 1.33.1
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519[03:23:27] <aerth> and u tracked down that Sarge has 3.3.5
and 1.33.1 hah
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520[03:23:35] <fatalhalt> preferably I'm looking to Debian
that came with boost 1.33.1
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521[03:23:37] <fatalhalt> yes
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523[03:23:55] <aerth> it may be easier to find the sources for
3.3.5 and 1.33.1
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528[03:27:45] <fatalhalt> aerth, found 3.1r8 here :D,
replaced-url
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531[03:29:02] <aerth> true that good luck
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535[03:30:39] <fatalhalt> there's even 1.3.1 from
1997...."This is the Linux distribution that recently orbited
on the U.S.
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536[03:30:39] <fatalhalt> Space Shuttle"
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538[03:30:45] <fatalhalt>
replaced-url
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539[03:31:39] <tomcres> 1.3 was my first Debian :-)
"bo" I think it was called
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543[03:32:14] <tsuyubo> hi,when i update-grub, it shows:
Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
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544[03:32:17] <tsuyubo> Searching for splash image ... none
found, skipping ...
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545[03:32:38] <tsuyubo> i am sorry..
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547[03:33:19] <tsuyubo> i want to know this have effect on grub
V2
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557[03:41:58] <bum> How to stream movies from Android to windows
to TV
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560[03:42:28] <n-iCe> chromecast?
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562[03:42:50] <somiaj> what does this have to do with debian?
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563[03:42:53] <bum> Without it n-iCe
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565[03:43:03] <n-iCe> bum: hdmi?
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567[03:43:35] <bum> I want to use tablet as Chromecast .tablet
is windows.
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568[03:43:39] <bum> n-iCe:
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570[03:43:58] <bum> Android Phone don't have hdmi out
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572[03:44:05] <bum> n-iCe:
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573[03:44:05] <missmbob> bum: please stay on topic.
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574[03:44:15] <tomcres> !ot
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575[03:44:15] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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581[03:51:46] <socomm> is it possible to have
'apt-get' answer yes to all the replace configuration file
prompts?
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582[03:51:51] <socomm> I tried -y but still get prompted
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584[03:53:17] <n4dir> a few days ago i searched for it, yes it
is possible, but i don't recall how. I think a blog entry of
Herzog gave the solution
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586[03:54:16] <gry> is there a way to install android-sdk in
jessie? it's not in backports
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587[03:54:35] <marioxcc_> Hello. In ISO keyboards, what is the
name for the keycode of the key between 'Z' and left shift
(like <TLDE>, <AB09>, etcetera)?
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588[03:54:39] <n4dir> socomm: this was the link i found:
replaced-url
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592[03:56:10] <socomm> n4dir: Thanks, let me check.
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596[03:57:35] <missmbob> ,checkbackport android-sdk
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597[03:57:36] <judd> Backporting package android-sdk in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, jessie-backports.
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598[03:57:41] <missmbob> gry: ^
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599[03:57:46] <tsuyubo> hi, after installed new kernel, my
networking doesn't work, how to figure it out?
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600[03:57:57] <somiaj> gry: I have seen guides on how to install
it, but you'll most likely have to install locally and not from
the debian repos.
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602[03:58:37] <somiaj> socomm: I think you are takling about
dpkg/debconf questions which is different than apt-get, and I think
there is such a way.
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604[03:59:50] <gry> missmbob: are you suggesting me to backport
it?
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605[03:59:58] <socomm> somiaj: was talking apt-get
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606[04:00:16] <socomm> somiaj: the link posted by n4dir looks
like a work-around
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607[04:00:21] <missmbob> gry: just saying it's an option.
doing it locally would be easier
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610[04:01:01] <gry> Ah, installing by manually downloading
binaries from the website is what my sister is doing, which I
believe is 'install locally'. I was pulling hair and
thinking of alternatives. Thanks!
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612[04:01:09] <somiaj> gry: Oh I didn't realize it was in
stretch, sometimes the ssb factoid can automate backporting, but
loots liek some work either way.
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615[04:02:05] <somiaj> gry: yea that is what is meant by install
locally, most stuff should install in /usr/local which things can
live there independent of the stuff installed by dpkg. Just note
/usr/local/bin takes rerfrence to stuff installed by dpkg.
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616[04:03:04] <tx> oh android-sdk isn't even in stable?
haha
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617[04:03:10] <tx> sorry gry I didn't know that, I use
stretch. :x
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618[04:03:11] <somiaj> socomm: he is saying the same thing,
apt-get after it downloads and isntalls a package passes it to
dpkg/debconf, and any configuration questions come from there, so
you'll have to configure debconf automatically say yes to those
promts.
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619[04:03:42] <gry> tx: it's OK. Of our three debian
laptops (!), one is on stretch, and other two are on jessie. :)
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652[04:26:07] <rfleming> Greetings.
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653[04:26:19] <rfleming> I botched nvidia-drivers, and now my
GNOME crashes on logon
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654[04:26:45] <rfleming> (I've reverted back to nouveau, my
system hangs after logging in via gdm)
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657[04:28:28] <rfleming> any ideas?
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658[04:28:38] <somiaj> first do you want to use the non-free
drivers or nouveau?
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660[04:28:51] <rfleming> somiaj: I'd prefer non-free
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661[04:29:00] <rfleming> but at this point, getting nouveau
working again would be nice
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662[04:29:24] <rfleming> ... and now it's working
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663[04:29:26] <rfleming> wtf
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666[04:29:38] <somiaj> rfleming: how did you insatll the
non-free nvidia drivers?
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667[04:29:49] <rfleming> I ran nvidia-detect
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668[04:29:58] <rfleming> told me to install nvidia-driver
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669[04:30:05] <somiaj> !nvidia-dkms
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670[04:30:09] <somiaj> !nvidia dkms
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671[04:30:09] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later
systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.
«aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section
"Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver
"nvidia"\nEndSection' >
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to
enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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673[04:30:14] <rfleming> I was following the instructions on the
wiki
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674[04:30:20] <somiaj> rfleming: those are the instructions I
suggest, yea they should be similar.
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675[04:30:35] <rfleming> I'm also using Stretch
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676[04:31:00] <rfleming> Seems my GNOME is unstable. It logged
on last time, and hung this time
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677[04:31:31] <rfleming> when I had the nvidia non-free
installed, I got the 'Oh No' message
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678[04:31:52] <somiaj> well you haven't been clear on how
you installed nvidia, and what card you have.
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679[04:32:01] <somiaj> do you have an older nvidia card and need
to use legacy drivers?
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684[04:33:46] <aokfire> Hi
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685[04:34:06] <rfleming> I have a Quadro 1000M
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686[04:34:10] <somiaj> rfleming: that should work, what card do
you have?
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687[04:34:16] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
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688[04:34:17] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
340.101-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.101-1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 375.26-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 375.26-2;
stretch/non-free: 375.26-2
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689[04:34:29] <aokfire> curious why I've got swap usage
with 50% of RAM cached
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691[04:34:57] <aokfire> free:
replaced-url
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692[04:35:09] <aokfire> I just... dont' get it
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693[04:35:16] <aokfire> swappiness is set to 1...
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695[04:35:32] <jscoder> I'm experiencing an strange
intermittant issue with fonts in gtk apps where tops of cerain
letters both lowercase and capital seem to be disappearing (such as
A, C, S, W) in the UI components only, for example in the Pluma
(mate) text editor its happening in the menu, tabs, and the taskbar
on mate-panel but not currently in the text of files open in pluma,
but sometimes it also occurs in the text area as w
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696[04:35:34] <somiaj> aokfire: maybe you filled up ram, swapped
some data, rame freed up, but it stayed in swap as it hasn't
needed it yet
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697[04:35:38] <jscoder> ell.
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698[04:35:42] <somiaj> aokfire: but that does seem odd
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703[04:35:49] <somiaj> rfleming: do you mean M1000M?
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704[04:35:51] <aokfire> I've never used all RAM in the
system
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705[04:35:56] <somiaj> rfleming: I'm not familar with the
quadro line
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706[04:35:59] <aokfire> I keep logs of usage, and it's
never used it all
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707[04:36:05] <aokfire> maybe 400-500MB most
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708[04:36:07] <somiaj> rfleming: nevermind, I found it, yea that
driver should support it.
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709[04:36:08] <aokfire> but never full usage
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711[04:36:53] <somiaj> aokfire: that does seems strange, I
don't think I know enough to be of much help though.
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712[04:37:05] <aokfire> np :)
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713[04:37:11] <aokfire> hoping someone will have an idea
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714[04:37:29] <rfleming> somiaj: my system is consistently
hanging now
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715[04:37:34] <rfleming> even in console
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716[04:37:52] <somiaj> rfleming: you may have some conflicting
drivers. I wonder if the quadro drivers have the correct gl support
for gnome.
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717[04:38:00] <rfleming> good question
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718[04:38:03] <somiaj> rfleming: I don't have experience
with those cards, so unsure why those instructions didn't work
for you.
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719[04:38:22] <rfleming> I'll have to reinstall, seems
something has happened on a more fundamental level... or my SSD just
crapped in the bed
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720[04:38:26] <somiaj> rfleming: but gnome requires a certian
opengl standard or you get the 'oh no' error
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721[04:38:31] <rfleming> 'Loading initial ramdis ...'
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724[04:40:10] <jscoder> that font issue I mentioned just seems
to have magically disappeared as I sat here. It comes and goes
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726[04:41:16] <jscoder> it may be worth mentioning that this is
an old system with a 1.8ghz single core and 1gb ram and at the time
I mentioned the issue I was loading several news articles in tabs in
chrome, now they're loaded and the issue is gone
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728[04:42:28] <jscoder> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller:
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV350/M10 GL [Mobility FireGL
T2] (rev 80)
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730[04:42:49] <jscoder> is the video card, sharing ram of
course, and I've installed no additional packages to support it
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733[04:43:40] <aokfire> wtf swapon not found??
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734[04:44:28] <jscoder> aokfire: are you root?
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735[04:44:34] <aokfire> nope woops
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736[04:44:35] <aokfire> lol
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737[04:45:27] <jscoder> yes, well "which swapon" as
user will return nothing, but as root it'll say /sbin/swapon ..
the sbin indicating it's a superuser binary
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739[04:45:44] <r4f_debian> hi all
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740[04:45:45] <aokfire> yup
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741[04:45:59] <jscoder> r4f_debian: not yet, but we're
working on it
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742[04:46:33] <r4f_debian> Hi jscoder, please, not yet, but you
are working on it ?
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743[04:46:36] <jscoder> though I'm sure some of us are
plenty high right now.. I'm personally basking in my own gas at
the moment
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744[04:46:38] <r4f_debian> ?
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745[04:46:44] <aokfire> can I s
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746[04:47:11] <r4f_debian> sorry, jscoder, couldn't follow
you. Please, what are you talking about ?
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747[04:47:14] <jscoder> r4f_debian: it was a play on the words,
might not translate well as a joke if you're not a native
speaker or don't realize a lot of people do drugs
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748[04:47:49] <somiaj> which is probably a good reason to keep
jokes like that out of support chanel that spans the globe.
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749[04:47:52] <r4f_debian> oh, you refer to english as native
language, I suppose
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751[04:48:04] <jscoder> somiaj: yes, it would seem so..
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752[04:48:06] <r4f_debian> Hi somiaj
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754[04:48:21] <tx> Is there a reason why apt needs to have its
own separate proxy configuration?
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755[04:48:32] <tx> (and not use environment vars)
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758[04:49:58] <jscoder> tx: there is not a reason why it needs
it per se, but there are reasons why you could want apt to not use a
global proxy.. as your apt mirror could be local, could use a
special caching proxy, etc.. maybe you should rephrase your issue
including what you want to happen and what you tried that isnt
working
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760[04:50:18] <aokfire> welp
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761[04:50:22] <aokfire> idk what's going on but pce
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763[04:50:26] <tx> jscoder: It isn't an issue
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764[04:50:50] <tx> it's just the only thing (besides wget)
that doesn't seem to like deriving from envs.
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765[04:50:57] <tx> that I use on the regular.
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766[04:51:07] <jscoder> tx: well then as a discussion, there are
reasons why people wouldnt want apt to keep its own settings
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768[04:51:17] <jscoder> erm.. would want it to rather
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770[04:51:23] <tx> The same could be said for a lot of other
things as well.
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771[04:51:46] <rfleming> somiaj: It appears this is a hybrid
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773[04:51:55] <rfleming> Intel/Nvidia Bumblebee/Prime
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776[04:52:41] <jscoder> this is true, apt proxying is usually
done through its configuration file, because as I said apt proxies
are often special caching proxies to reduce bandwith usage or to
increase speed by prefering local files
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777[04:53:31] <somiaj> rfleming: didn't know they had that
with quadros. That is more work, you can look at the bumblebee
support, but I don't know much about it
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778[04:53:52] <rfleming> am looking now at the Bumblebee wiki
entry
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783[04:56:36] <rfleming> somiaj: and it works
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807[05:18:49] <epsilon> systemd must die
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808[05:19:16] <jscoder> epsilon: killall -11 systemd
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809[05:19:17] <jscoder> heh
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812[05:19:42] <jscoder> nothing kills like a SIGSEGV
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814[05:20:44] <somiaj> epsilon: it won't and this is not
the place to discuss such things. You can use sysvinit in debian if
you want to, it won't completely remove systemd, but the option
is available.
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822[05:28:05] <epsilon> since systemd, i have to install
watchdog on almost all servers, because $something is not starting
as it should because of missing dependency
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831[05:30:38] <jscoder> epsilon: and its hanging the boot
process indefinitely?
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832[05:31:05] <jscoder> .. or just longer than you care to or
can afford to wait? :-P
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837[05:33:14] <epsilon> more like a service saying "ah,
service $x i not ready yet, ok I just won't start"
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843[05:34:24] <somiaj> epsilon: bug reports are nice, and yes
systemd requires dependencies, but it should just wait until service
is ready as opposed to just not start.
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844[05:34:32] <jscoder> epsilon: ah, which of course is major
issue because you got a remote headless server
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845[05:35:14] <jscoder> epsilon: you know you can boot with a
kernel parameter specifying where to log such events and in
combination with your watchdog you can likely run it down
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847[05:35:41] <jscoder> Debugging systemd
replaced-url
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849[05:37:54] <epsilon> in most time it has to do with
interfaces which is taking few seconds to coming up, but the
servcies are not waiting - typical example is (K)VM is not starting
because the bridge is still not up yet
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850[05:38:08] <jscoder> I know the pain of having to learn to do
things a new way, but I also recognize the futility of fighting
change. The damn web is changing _everything_ so fast anymore, I got
a wakeup call watching those Kids / Teens react to $foo type videos
on youtube and realizing how much things changed in just the last 20
years
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851[05:39:32] <somiaj> epsilon: bug reports help, debian does
want to improve things. I agree bridges seem to take a while to come
up. On my system (it is just a desktop) kvm comes up correctly after
my bridge is up. If this is not happening sounds like a bug, see if
it has been reported or report it. Only way to improve things.
systemd is gonna be around. The other option is go back to sysvinit.
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852[05:39:37] <somiaj> !remove systemd
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853[05:39:37] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in
jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the
systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core
systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie
upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes:
replaced-url
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854[05:39:46] <somiaj> debian fully supports both systemd and
sysvinit
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855[05:41:32] <jscoder> heh, systemd-shim, I like that. So does
this systemd thread the boot process or something where things can
happen out of order?
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857[05:42:01] <jscoder> used to be things happened in a
sequence, you couldn't get a lower priority script running
until the others completed
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860[05:45:13] <jscoder> all I see here on the wiki is
"agressive parallization" which is vague. I've
personally from a user standpoint noticed no difference, but I
haven't done a server in a long time and interaction with boot
scripts is limited on a workstation
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862[05:45:53] <jscoder> I still do /etc/init.d/foo restart and
such instead of using the service command
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863[05:46:01] <rhizome> me too
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864[05:46:09] <jscoder> its just a habit
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865[05:46:20] <rhizome> i didn't get all that muscle memory
for nothing
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866[05:47:07] <jscoder> yeah, well as far as all that goes, the
structure from a casual user standpoint is still similar enough most
of us don't even notice the change, but this is not the first
time I've heard someone complaining about it
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867[05:48:46] <jscoder> I still see scripts in the same location
with links indicating startup order. I fail to see how issues arise
with order of boot unless its now using some asynchronus or threaded
approach to processing boot scripts
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871[05:49:29] <somiaj> jscoder: systemd-shim contains some of
the systemd stuff needed for logind and gnome, but this is
indepdnent of using systemd as the init system.
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872[05:49:51] <jscoder> because if its just Foo fails and Bar
fails because Foo fails, that's not systemd specific, thats the
boot scripts themselves that are SNAFU'd
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873[05:49:52] <somiaj> jscoder: so systemd-shim just allows one
to use another init system, such as sysvinit, but have some of the
required systemd compoenets for other parts of the system.
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874[05:51:18] <jscoder> somiaj: yeah I could deduce the point of
it, I just thought it was funny that they call it a shim. The part
I'm confused about is why our friend here thinks his issues are
systemd. What does systemd do that would cause this issue? Does it
create a possibility for a script with a lower priority to run
before a higher priorty one finishes?
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875[05:52:31] <somiaj> well provided they don't depend on
each other, it speeds up boot time by running things in prallel and
using targets and linked dependencies. As for why a script fails it
could be just the unit file is not properly configured to wait for
the network to come up.
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876[05:53:07] <somiaj> but there are some subtlites here such as
if a service starts and then reports it has completed (but is still
doing stuff in the background) the next one may start before the
desired dependencies are actually ready.
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877[05:53:24] <somiaj> here #systemd maybe better to explain the
details. In my case it has worked fine, but I'm only a desktop
user
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879[05:54:11] <jscoder> well then I'm right on both points
that it does allow some form of parallel and it introduces a new
system of checking for dependencies, which could create a problem,
but the 2nd point I make is that ultimately its a configuration
issue in that the boot script in question is to blame not systemd
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880[05:54:31] <epsilon> right now, it's already helping me
if I could tell systemd to take a 15 sec coffee break after network
interface have been started before doing anything further
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881[05:56:21] <jscoder> well thats essentially how we used to do
it, the scripts either as you say "took a coffee break" or
they checked something to see if something else started, this was
all done in a linear fashion by a shell script. Apparently systemd
as somiaj describes has more advanced methods in place to resolve
dependencies that seem to have been designed to prevent these issues
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882[05:58:05] <jscoder> I still struggle with the hardware
abstraction layers at times when I need to do things, but I realize
they made things easier to get at if you know how. Systemd
can't possibly be as complex to learn as things like
udev,hal,dbus, etc
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883[05:58:48] <jscoder> the boot process is relatively
uncomplicated and still similar enough most of us use it the same
way we always did.
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884[05:58:51] <somiaj> the unit files are nice and straight
forward (compared to shell scripts), but it is still young in terms
of testing, things like this still need to be worked out. Wonder if
it works better in stretch or with the systemd from jessie-backports
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887[06:00:43] <jscoder> I personally have struggled a lot with
the conf.d approach which I saw first when Apache 2 came out and now
everything does it. The many files thing is what always annoyed me
about C/C++ its an approach that is simpler for the person who knows
where all the pieces are and what they do, but complicated for
someone who doesn't have the Table of Contents :-P
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888[06:01:37] <jscoder> thats what annoys a lot of people is
there is no longer a simple go to /etc/ look for a conf file, then
you know whatever you're trying to config is in there
somewhere. Now it could be in any number of different places and you
have to look all over to figure out what's the problem
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891[06:03:38] <LinuxNIT> is there anyway to force files COPIED
or MOVED into a directory to assume the permissions of the directory
without using options for cp/mv?
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892[06:03:51] <jscoder> So in our case in point what we need to
address these sorts of changes is good documentation and utilities
that can help navigate all these new settings and files
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894[06:04:05] <LinuxNIT> id like to use an acl for it but im new
to acls and cant seem to find how to do it
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897[06:05:25] <somiaj> LinuxNIT: what permisions do you want it
to obtain? Not all these permissions can be changed by a normal user
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899[06:05:49] <jscoder> I believe you're talking about a
creation mask
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901[06:05:53] <LinuxNIT> asume the group of the folder and rw
for the group
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903[06:06:06] <somiaj> LinuxNIT: mv should keep the current
permisions, cp should give new permisions based on various
permisions/mask of the directory.
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904[06:06:26] <somiaj> LinuxNIT: you can configure it so that is
default for files copied/created, I don't think it will work
for moved files.
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905[06:06:54] <Rusty1_>
replaced-url
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906[06:06:56] <somiaj> though I'm not sure on the details
here
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907[06:07:07] <jscoder> LinuxNIT: setfacl -d -m group:name:rwx
/path/to/your/dir
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910[06:08:01] <jscoder> LinuxNIT: the old non ACL way is the
umask command which sets the mask for created files
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913[06:08:13] <LinuxNIT> jscoder, i set that on the folder and
it worked for files created but not copied or moved into the folder
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914[06:08:26] <mhall> Out of all of the options listed in
replaced-url
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915[06:08:29] <jscoder> LinuxNIT: oh right, I see your point now
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917[06:09:29] <somiaj>
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918[06:09:40] <somiaj> LinuxNIT: looks like flags are the
option. Alias can add those flags by default.
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919[06:09:49] <LinuxNIT> basically i have a folder shared across
smb and i want any user to be able to put files in the folder and
everyone to have RW access. At the moment the files that get moved
in are not write able by other users
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920[06:09:50] <somiaj> seems cp ignores the masks
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921[06:10:26] <somiaj> and move doens't mess with
permissions. You could also write a simple cron script that changes
all the permissions in that directory every so often.
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922[06:10:41] <somiaj> so every minute the permsions are reset
to what you want.
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923[06:10:48] <jscoder> hmm, well I thought samba like windows
filesystems under linux automatically used a mask because it doesnt
support unix style permissions
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924[06:11:15] <jscoder> no wait, samba can be put into user mode
and work with unix permissions
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925[06:11:17] <somiaj> jscoder: it can be configured to use the
permissions of the user that logs in, so different users will have
differrent permissions.
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926[06:11:34] <somiaj> jscoder: this is of course on the server
end, on the windows end it will work like windows permissions
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927[06:12:01] <jscoder> yeah I recall that now, samba had two
modes user or share based permissions. Its been a long time since I
used it
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928[06:12:04] <LinuxNIT> yeah i actually wrote a python script
that will monitor files moved in and fix them but it seems like an
odd fix
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929[06:12:14] <jscoder> if you use user mode it will work on the
user that logs in
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930[06:12:27] <LinuxNIT> ill check the mode. maybe that will fix
it
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931[06:12:30] <somiaj> LinuxNIT: anyways it seems that is the
behavior of cp without that extra flag.
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932[06:13:02] <jscoder> well in share mode you have permissions
based on share not based on user, and afaik thats global, you
can't use both user and share permissions
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933[06:13:19] <LinuxNIT> yeah it just seems like you should be
able to have the filesystem override the cp command
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936[06:13:28] <somiaj> and in share mode samba is running as
root so the actual permisions of the file won't mean much to
samba.
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941[06:14:42] <jscoder> samba is a bitch when you get into it
deep enough, and that damn guide O'Reilly wrote that's
included in the samba-doc has stuff in it that will never work
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944[06:15:21] <somiaj> haha here is a strange workaround, use
cat. cat file > /path/to/newfile (then it creates it)
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945[06:15:42] <jscoder> yeah well you can't do that from a
windows end with a share
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947[06:16:18] <somiaj> you can't really cp from windows
either, so assume their issue is with copying from the server (not
windows)
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949[06:16:36] <jscoder> LinuxNIT: are you only using samba for
this one share you want everyone to access, or do you have a more
complex setup?
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950[06:16:47] <somiaj> there is also an 'install'
command which copies files and sets attributes
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951[06:17:00] <jscoder> if you're using a unix style
environment you should use rsync or nfs
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952[06:17:26] <jscoder> samba between two linux hosts is just
gross, its like some form of incest
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953[06:17:31] <somiaj> jscoder: I still find samba easier than
nfs....though I use rsync+ssh for my systems.
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954[06:17:50] <LinuxNIT> Just samaba access
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955[06:18:10] <somiaj> it is still easier than nfs in some
aspects (epsically with dealing with remote vs client server
permisions
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956[06:18:27] <jscoder> LinuxNIT: because if you only want to
use samba for a single public style share, you may want to consider
using share based access as a simple solution rather than user based
access
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957[06:18:34] <somiaj> LinuxNIT: share mode might be more to
what you need. You will configure each share and give permsisions
based on the share. The user connection won't change this.
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959[06:19:01] <LinuxNIT> ill check into that
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960[06:19:13] <LinuxNIT> kids are going crazy now that i tried
to do something
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961[06:19:14] <jscoder> yes, user mode wasn't intended for
different users sharing the same share
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963[06:19:41] <jscoder> thats what share mode is for, it sets
the security per share rather than per user
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964[06:19:44] <LinuxNIT> sounds like this will fix it. I just
have to test it
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966[06:20:00] <LinuxNIT> thanks jscoder and somiaj
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967[06:20:04] <LinuxNIT> i have to run now
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968[06:20:25] <jscoder> LinuxNIT: its the security = parameter
in smb.conf
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969[06:20:33] <LinuxNIT> thanks
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973[06:24:42] <jscoder> somiaj: idk it depends on what your
doing, but as I said before samba really is a bitch when you get
into it. sshfs and nfs aren't that complex, and in a lot of
ways are simpler. samba has to be configured as a whole, and logs
the same way, you can't just create complex setups like you can
with sshfs/rysnc or nfs.
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976[06:25:36] <jscoder> I argued with a lot of people about
samba once complaining about logging features mentioned in that
O'Reilly Using Samba included in samba-doc, that simply
aren't possible, but would be cool if they were. heh
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978[06:26:18] <jscoder> the upstream devs said samba would have
to be rewritten from the ground up to support that kind of feature
described, but the maintainers refused to pull the document
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1012[06:53:14] <lux_ATOM> so can audio be streamed from one
bluetooth adapter to another ie play my netbooks files over my
desktops speakers?
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1022[06:59:13] <fishbulb> hey is there a way to mount the old
distro, I use firefox so I need the tabs from the last session
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1027[07:00:13] <fishbulb> the other distro I use has a root
password which I changed to a longer complex one that I forgot,
I've backed up my own content, but I'm wondering if I can
get the tabs from the last session out of firefox
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1030[07:01:07] <fishbulb> I mounted the root partition and got
the content out fine, I need to get all the tabs that were open if
possible, it loads the last tabs that were open, and there were
possibly around a hundred
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1034[07:03:09] <stew> fishbulb: if you have the root partition
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1035[07:03:24] <fishbulb> I don't have it mounted
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1036[07:03:27] <fishbulb> I did
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1037[07:04:12] <fishbulb> I'm using windows as an emergency
fallback because it's on every machine
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1039[07:05:25] <fishbulb> also the other distro is arch, I used
hirens boot cd I think? on a usb stick (I haven't used optical
media for about a decade) to transfer my content
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1045[07:07:59] <fishbulb> I think it might work having different
levels of "stable" as options instead of "all the
newest tiny changes all the time"
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1046[07:10:06] <somiaj> fishbulb: the info for firefox will be in
$HOME somewhere...unsure where it puts its cache fiel to restore old
tabs.
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1145[08:27:30] <Lupen> ciaoooooooooo
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1146[08:27:34] <Lupen> !list
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1147[08:27:34] <dpkg> lupen: Debian è un sistema operativo
composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di
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1265[09:35:40] <henkla> hello. i'm one key push from jumping
to testing from stable. i have butterflies in my stomach - will this
break my entire system?
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1274[09:37:57] <missmbob> unlikely
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1277[09:38:34] <henkla> because testing is so close to release
and thus almost stable?
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1279[09:39:09] <missmbob> yeah, hard freeze. there's nothing
really going on
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1292[09:47:11] <codfection> hello
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1293[09:47:29] <codfection> should I wait for stretch or install
testing/unstable or jessie ?
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1295[09:47:55] <Drzacek> stretch is testing
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1296[09:48:09] <Drzacek> and you can safely install it
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1301[09:49:40] <codfection> I see
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1302[09:49:46] <codfection> what about unstable debian or jessie?
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1303[09:50:00] <codfection> I want something that I dont want to
fiddle around and just focus on my work
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1304[09:50:10] <codfection> I suppose it would be jessie? or
unstable?
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1305[09:50:20] <missmbob> jessie if you dont want to fiddle
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1307[09:50:43] <codfection> I see
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1308[09:50:49] <codfection> are the packages too old in jessie?
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1311[09:51:19] <missmbob> !jessie-backports
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1312[09:51:19] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9
"Stretch" release but recompiled for use with
"Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the
"jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports
are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A
suitable line for your sources.list is «deb
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1313[09:51:23] <codfection> and if stretch makes it into stable,
will I have to re install everything or directly upgrade to stretch
(stable) without any issues?
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1314[09:51:33] <missmbob> you can upgrade
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1315[09:52:04] <codfection> missmbob, thanks.
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1316[09:52:12] <codfection> which desktop environment are you
guys using on jessie?
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1318[09:52:53] <missmbob> i use xfce
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1321[09:53:23] <codfection> I see
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1322[09:53:29] <codfection> thanks missmbob :)
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1324[09:54:05] <fishbulb> is there firewall software that comes
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1326[09:54:25] <missmbob> nothing enabled by default
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1327[09:54:28] <missmbob> !ufw
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1328[09:54:29] <dpkg> Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an
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1329[09:54:45] <fishbulb> is it gui
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1331[09:54:52] <missmbob> gufw is
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1332[09:55:25] <fishbulb> I assume it'll do the job
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1336[09:56:44] <squigz> it'll do *a* job
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1337[09:57:12] <codfection> I just love debian so much that I
dont have to fiddle around with stuff. Just worried about latest
packages :(
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1339[09:57:39] <missmbob> codfection: jessie-backports should
have newer packages for a lot of what you want
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1340[09:57:39] <codfection> ubuntu is not what I want. its not as
perfect as debian.
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1343[09:57:52] <codfection> missmbob, will it break ?
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1344[09:57:54] <fishbulb> I'm worried about latest packages
compared to arch
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1345[09:57:57] <missmbob> no
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1346[09:58:09] <fishbulb> nothing ever broke on my machine
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1348[09:58:12] <missmbob> codfection:
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1349[09:58:23] <codfection> missmbob, so I just edit the repos
and add jessie-backport repo right?
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1351[09:58:48] <missmbob> codfection: you have to read about how
to call the repo. see the instructions
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1352[09:59:03] <fishbulb> which kernel and which version of gnome
comes with the latest version of debian?
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1354[09:59:26] <missmbob> ,kernels
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1355[09:59:27] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid:
4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3);
jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie:
3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports:
3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae
(3.2.84-1)
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1356[09:59:30] <missmbob> ,v gnome-core
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1357[09:59:31] <judd> Package: gnome-core on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.20+3; stretch: 1:3.20+3
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1361[09:59:55] <fishbulb> wheezy is latest?
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1362[09:59:59] <missmbob> jessie
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1363[10:00:23] <fishbulb> why does wheezy have a later version of
gnome than jessie
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1364[10:00:51] <missmbob> it doesnt. 14 is larger than 4
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1366[10:01:32] <fishbulb> I was going by 3.4 being larger than
3.14
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1367[10:02:02] <fishbulb> why does stretch have 3.20 then
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1369[10:02:42] <codfection> does jessie boot into UEFI or MBR
only?
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1370[10:03:09] <missmbob> codfection: either. no secure boot
though. live iso does not support uefi. you have to use the real
installer
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1371[10:03:23] <codfection> I see
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1372[10:03:32] <codfection> so should I install in MBR
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1374[10:03:56] <missmbob> i didnt say that. i said dont use live
iso to install.
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1388[10:09:04] <jhatoms> Hi there, I have a rsync(d) question :
when using the daemon, if I specify "uid =
%RSYNC_USER_NAME%" and "gid = *", I tumble upon
permission denied when transferring between two computers
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1390[10:09:22] <jhatoms> they have the same uid / gid (same
visual names and associated id)
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1391[10:09:43] <jhatoms> when I "force" uid and gid in
rsyncd.conf to the explicit names, it works just fine...
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1394[10:11:25] <jhatoms> Correction : it's not
"permission denied" it's "operation not
permitted (1)"
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1421[10:27:20] <fishbulb> To dual boot with windows do I set the
bootable flag off for the design partition and put it on the windows
partition?
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1422[10:27:40] <fishbulb> Debian I mean
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1423[10:27:55] <missmbob> debian doesnt care about the flag
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1424[10:27:56] <babilen> Debian's bootloader doesn't
care about the bootable flag
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1426[10:28:27] <fishbulb> Where do I set it to then
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1427[10:28:40] <babilen> Whatever you desire
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1430[10:29:12] <fishbulb> So nowhere? Why is it an option?
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1433[10:29:38] <missmbob> it used to matter 15 years ago
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1434[10:29:45] <babilen> Because certain bootloaders (the MS
Windows one) boot from the partition with the flag set and why
wouldn't the tools support it?
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1435[10:30:01] <babilen> This is from ancient times
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1436[10:30:04] <fishbulb> And it's still an option.... 15
years later?
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1438[10:30:14] <babilen> People use all kind of systems
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1439[10:30:22] <babilen> Why would you remove it?
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1440[10:30:27] <fishbulb> I'm using grub like normal
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1442[10:30:51] <fishbulb> I don't know, I didn't know
why it was there
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1443[10:30:53] <babilen> grub doesn't care about it
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1444[10:31:37] <fishbulb> So which one do I set as bootable?
None? Debian partition only? Windows and debian?
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1446[10:33:46] <fishbulb> None is what I'll go for if it
doesn't do anything
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1483[10:51:10] <Chrismeister> How come Active Mode FTP works
behind a NAT-enabled router? Does the router inspect and modify FTP
packages? Before a transfer my computer sent this to the debian
servers: ---> PORT 10,0,0,2,199,11 . The servers could impossibly
have established a datachannel connection to this IP.
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1484[10:51:54] <Chrismeister> But still the transfer succeded.
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1486[10:52:39] <Chrismeister> Maybe wrong channel but don't
know where to ask
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1514[11:08:56] <jelly> Chrismeister: the interesting thing about
cheap router and firewall firmwares is lots of those have active
mode ftp connection tracking working, but passive not
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1517[11:10:33] <jelly> Chrismeister: so yes, the router actually
massages ftp protocol info into working
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1520[11:11:48] <Chrismeister> jelly: Cool! I had no idea my
router had deep packet inspection capabilities.
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1539[11:32:25] <zamba> i have a hard time removing a package.. it
seems like the script depends on the service running before
proceeding
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1540[11:32:37] <zamba> how can i just wipe the package without
running any scripts?
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1541[11:33:01] <zamba> or where is the script?
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1548[11:34:47] <fishbulb> I installed debian but the wireless
drivers were not installed
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1549[11:35:00] <fishbulb> There's no wireless device
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1551[11:35:27] <fishbulb> Only Bluetooth and Ethernet
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1552[11:36:19] <babilen> Which wireless adaptor do you have?
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1554[11:36:36] <babilen> (i.e. what is the output of "lspci
-nn|grep -i network" ?)
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1555[11:36:38] <fishbulb> Dunno. How do I find out?
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1557[11:37:13] <babilen> zamba: Which package is that?
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1558[11:37:27] <babilen> zamba: Could you paste your command and
the actual error to
replaced-url
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1559[11:37:35] <fishbulb> I am on a phone because I can't
connect to the net
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1560[11:37:41] <DLange> zamba: check
/var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.{pre|post}rm
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1561[11:38:18] <fishbulb> Intel cetrino advanced n 62
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1563[11:38:33] <babilen> fishbulb: That command should give you
an alphanumerical identifier at the end. It looks like [abcd:1234]
-- Could you give me that?
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1564[11:38:33] <fishbulb> 05 Taylor peak rev 34
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1565[11:38:45] <babilen> fishbulb: Can you connect to the
internet using that box?
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1568[11:39:24] <fishbulb> It's a fucking pain, the router is
somewhere else
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1569[11:39:58] <babilen> Well, that wireless cards requires
firmware and you'll have to install the firmware-iwlwifi
package for it to work
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1570[11:40:28] <babilen> fishbulb: It should be pointed out that
there are installer images with firmware and you might prefer to use
those if you rely on firmware to get an internet connection
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1571[11:40:33] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
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1572[11:40:33] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
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1573[11:40:39] <fishbulb> Network controller: Intel corporation
cetrino advanced n 6205
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1576[11:41:23] <babilen> fishbulb: Is there no PCI ID at the end?
(something that looks like [abcd:1234])
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1577[11:41:29] <fishbulb> I can see like 5 lines of irc on this
phone
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1578[11:41:38] <fishbulb> Rev 34
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1579[11:41:38] <babilen> Okay, no worries
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1580[11:41:52] <fishbulb> At the start
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1581[11:42:13] <fishbulb> 00:1f.3
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1584[11:43:30] <fishbulb> Is hibernation actually enabled with
debian as default?
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1586[11:43:42] <babilen> fishbulb: You can either download
replaced-url
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1587[11:43:55] <firztspawn> if a bear shits in the woods, would
you hear it?
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1588[11:44:19] <fishbulb> Someone said just use Ethernet and the
WiFi will be installed automatically
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1593[11:45:58] <babilen> fishbulb: If you are connected via
ethernet installing that package would work with "apt install
firmware-iwlwifi" provided you have "contrib
non-free" entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list
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1594[11:46:03] <babilen> Can you connect to ethernet?
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1598[11:47:08] <fishbulb> Wait, I'll go and do that,
it's a pain. I'll be back in like ten minutes
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1599[11:47:21] <babilen>
replaced-url
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1600[11:47:56] <babilen> fishbulb: I'm sorry, but you should
have been advised to use the firmware installer or install that
package in the first place
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1601[11:48:57] <fishbulb> I used that installer
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1602[11:49:02] <babilen> The firmware one?
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1603[11:49:08] <fishbulb> Yes
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1605[11:49:11] <babilen> Ah, well
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1606[11:49:15] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1608[11:49:31] <babilen> fishbulb: The problem is something else
then
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1610[11:49:53] <fishbulb> Obviously it didn't install the
firmware for some reason. It installed everything else
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1611[11:50:00] <babilen> fishbulb: Does "dpkg -l
firmware-iwlwifi" start with "ii" ?
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1612[11:50:37] <fishbulb> Wait please I can't answer
anything on my phone, I need to connect this computer to the routers
to
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1614[11:50:47] <fishbulb> To the router to
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1615[11:50:50] <fishbulb> Duxk
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1616[11:50:57] <babilen> Duxk?
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1618[11:51:10] <firztspawn> DUCK BUT WITH AN F iM GUESSING
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1619[11:51:13] <firztspawn> oops
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1620[11:51:16] <babilen> fuck you mean?
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1622[11:52:04] <babilen> fishbulb: Either way, take your time. It
would be advantageous to have the ability to read longer sentences
and to be able to provide output of commands.
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1627[11:53:13] <powi> !paste
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1628[11:53:13] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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1629[11:53:31] <babilen> powi: "/msg dpkg paste" ;)
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1630[11:54:12] <powi> Ok, thanks.
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1631[11:54:21] <powi> (And sorry)
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1667[12:11:03] <fish-bulb> hi, I'm trying to install
firmware for my wifi
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1671[12:11:58] <smojphace> Is there a set of online manuals for
applications from the repos?
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1673[12:12:24] <fish-bulb> who was I talking to before?
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1675[12:12:42] <towo`> does it matter
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1676[12:12:45] <towo`> ?
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1677[12:12:59] <towo`> "my wifi" is not a known vendor
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1678[12:13:03] <fish-bulb> they had the answers and I was talking
to them
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1679[12:13:19] <firztspawn> fish-bulb, babilen was helping you
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1685[12:16:18] <fish-bulb> babilen, are you busy
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1686[12:16:42] <chavesfop> smojphace in terminal, you can use man
(man - an interface to the on-line reference manuals)
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1689[12:17:07] <skwi> Hello everyone, I am using current, i
don't undestand one thing, konqueror/firefox-esr say all SSL
connexion are not trusted / expired. I have dpkg-reconfigure
certificates... No clues on internet, please someone has a tips to
fix that ?
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1690[12:17:44] <fish-bulb> does anyone know of some firewall
software that will do the job well enough
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1691[12:17:49] <chavesfop> skwi what's your system date?
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1692[12:17:51] <fish-bulb> while I'm waiting
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1693[12:18:06] <towo`> fish-bulb, iptables
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1695[12:18:39] <fish-bulb> with a gui frontend
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1697[12:18:50] <smojphace> chavesfop: I just have a vague memory
of seeing some new automated online man page building thingy
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1700[12:20:38] <towo`> fish-bulb, why you think you need a
firewall?
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1701[12:21:33] <fish-bulb> why do you think I haven't
ignored you yet? it's not because I don't want to,
it's because I don't like creating a filter-bubble for
shit I don't like
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1706[12:22:07] * firztspawn has used linux for 10 years without a
firewall..
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1708[12:22:25] <fish-bulb> I want to disable a few things that
make me feel safer. personal preference.
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1711[12:22:34] <towo`> a firewall is not a piece of software,
it's a security concept
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1712[12:22:37] <firztspawn> fair enough
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1714[12:22:42] <fish-bulb> this is an ultraportable and it
doesn't stay indoors the whole time
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1715[12:23:01] <chavesfop> fish-bulb search for gui-iptables
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1716[12:23:24] <fish-bulb> there's a simple firewall or
something like that?
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1717[12:23:38] <chavesfop> fish-bulb
replaced-url
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1718[12:25:02] <fish-bulb> that will take a while to read through
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1726[12:26:26] <fish-bulb> how do I get actual firefox instead of
iceweasle
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1727[12:26:47] <babilen> fish-bulb: You install it :)
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1728[12:26:50] <towo`> there is no iceweasel anymore
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1730[12:26:54] <babilen> judd: v firefox
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1731[12:26:55] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 51.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 51.0.1-1;
experimental: 52.0~b3-1
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1732[12:26:55] <chavesfop> fish-bulb do you prefer a web based,
an X application, or a terminal interface?
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1735[12:27:27] <babilen> judd: v firefox-esr
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1736[12:27:28] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie:
45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.7.0esr-1~deb7u1;
jessie-security: 45.7.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.7.0esr-4; stretch:
45.7.0esr-4
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1737[12:27:36] <fish-bulb> what's esr
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1738[12:27:45] <babilen> Extended support release
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1740[12:28:02] <fish-bulb> dot dot dot
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1742[12:30:36] <fish-bulb> what's extended support release?
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1744[12:31:23] <babilen> A release that is supported for longer
than other releases (i.e. the timeframe in which the release is
supported has been extended)
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1745[12:31:29] <fish-bulb> also there must have been like 20+
things I did to gnome that haven't been done yet, I'd like
to get some background stuff set up then change what it looks like
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1746[12:32:11] <babilen> Sure, knock yourself out
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1747[12:32:20] <skwi> I am using current, konqueror/firefox-esr
say all SSL connexion are not trusted / expired. I have
dpkg-reconfigure certificates... No clues on internet, please
someone has a tips to fix that ?
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1750[12:33:14] <fish-bulb> if I can't get the important
stuff set up now I'll just change what it looks like. so far
I'm loving this fresh install is using 870mb of ram
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1752[12:34:21] <fish-bulb> to add numix icons what do I alter?
there's other nonfree stuff I want/need to use
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1753[12:34:22] <babilen> skwi: Could you paste your sources.list,
run "apt update" and paste the output of "apt-cache
policy ca-certificates" to
replaced-url
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1760[12:37:18] <skwi> babilen, yes i do now
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1763[12:38:44] <fish-bulb> how do I add the nonfree repo?
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1765[12:39:25] <babilen> fish-bulb: You ensure that entries in
your sources.list end in "non-free" --
replaced-url
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1767[12:40:13] <fish-bulb> can I add it to synaptics package
manager
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1770[12:40:37] <babilen> I have no idea, I never touch it. I
would guess that it has some means to alter the sources.list though.
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1772[12:41:18] <fish-bulb> it's "non-free contrib
main" in that
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1773[12:41:32] <babilen> The order doesn't matter
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1774[12:41:37] <fish-bulb> so maybe this unofficial installer did
that already
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1776[12:41:48] <babilen> You mean the firmware installer?
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1777[12:42:06] <skwi> babilen,
replaced-url
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1779[12:42:52] <fish-bulb> the debian installer that was supposed
to install the firmware
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1781[12:43:26] <fish-bulb> but maybe it was rufus or something,
or maybe I was supposed to put bin files and didn't use the
right ones, I dunno
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1783[12:43:36] <fish-bulb> oh yeah how do I install the wireless
firmware
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1784[12:43:55] <towo`> you don't need that, if you have used
the unoficial installer
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1785[12:44:07] <towo`> there is the firmware shipped
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1786[12:44:18] <towo`> that's the intend of this installer
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1787[12:44:44] <fish-bulb> lspci shows the device, but I
don't know if it's working, I can't add a wireless
connection
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1789[12:45:07] <TomTomTo1> what chipset is that? lspci -nn | grep
-i network
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1790[12:45:10] <towo`> and your secret device is?
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1792[12:45:19] <fish-bulb> I pasted it over and over
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1793[12:45:21] <fish-bulb> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel
Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] (rev 34)
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1794[12:45:33] <TomTomTo1> good for you, i don't follow
hours of backlog.
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1795[12:45:44] <TomTomTo1> and that's not the output i asked
for.
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1796[12:45:48] <towo`> you need kernel and firmware from
backports
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1797[12:45:50] <fish-bulb> I'm talking to that annoying
towo` but shouldn't be
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1798[12:46:19] <babilen> skwi: First and foremost: You don't
need "[arch=amd64,i386]" in there. That's an
Ubuntuism as their mirrors do not contain all architectures. I would
also switch to deb.debian.org from httpredir.debian.org, but
that's irrelevant. The rest looks fine .. What does "apt
list --upgradable" give you after making the changes I outlined
and running "apt update" ?
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1801[12:46:49] <fish-bulb> TomTomTo1, that's precisely the
output you need, there's one wireless device
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1802[12:46:56] <babilen> No, it is not
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1805[12:47:28] <fish-bulb> my mistake 03:00.0 Network controller
[0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak]
[8086:0085] (rev 34)
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1806[12:47:28] <babilen> Like TomTomTo1 I asked you about the
output of a very specific command (namely "lspci -nn|grep -i
network") and you decided to not provide it.
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1808[12:48:52] <fish-bulb> it looked the same, my mistake
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1809[12:49:07] <skwi> babilen, apt list --upgradable say,
listing... Done
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1810[12:49:27] <TomTomTo1> ,pciid [8086:0085]
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1811[12:49:28] <judd> [8086:0085] is 'Centrino Advanced-N
6205 [Taylor Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic',
'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also
replaced-url
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1814[12:49:56] <TomTomTo1> hmm, that should have been provided by
the firmware installer.
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1816[12:50:08] <fish-bulb> for some reason it didn't install
the firmware, I don't know why
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1817[12:50:10] <babilen> fish-bulb: So, list the output of
"dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi", "ip a",
"modprobe -r iwlwifi; modprobe iwlwifi; dmesg|tail -n23",
"iwconfig" on
replaced-url
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1821[12:51:05] <fish-bulb> command not found
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1822[12:51:45] <babilen> skwi: Hmm, that all looks fine. What is
the exact error and which browser does this involve? (will be off to
lunch very soon though)
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1823[12:52:19] <babilen> fish-bulb: Run commands with superuser
privileges or using their absolute path where necessary
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1825[12:52:57] <fish-bulb> bash: dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi,:
command not found
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1826[12:53:22] <skwi> babilen, The server failed the seccurity
check the certificate has expired
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1828[12:53:42] <babilen> fish-bulb: Feel free to paste your
*exact* command and its exact output (of all the ones mentioned
earlier) on
replaced-url
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1830[12:54:26] <fish-bulb> bash: sudo: command not found
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1831[12:54:27] <babilen> Please note that quotation marks have
been used to delineate commands and are not part thereof
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1832[12:54:52] <babilen> Did you install and configure sudo?
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1833[12:55:02] <fish-bulb> I thought it would have come
installed, so no
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1834[12:55:11] <babilen> dpkg: sudoers
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1835[12:55:11] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions
for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group:
"adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated
by "apropos sudo" for more information.
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1836[12:55:21] <babilen> You shouldn't need sudo for the
task at hand though
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1839[12:57:52] <fish-bulb> what am I doing now?
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1841[12:58:02] <babilen> You tell me
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1843[12:58:11] <fish-bulb> trying to install wireless firmware
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1847[12:58:43] <babilen> I would assume that you are working on
either configuring sudo, getting the output of the commands
mentioned earlier, installing and configuring firmware-iwlwifi and a
backported kernel from jessie-backports as suggested by towo`
earlier or ..
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1852[12:59:15] <fish-bulb> all of those, how do I get started, I
don't know what backports is
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1853[12:59:25] <towo`> learn it
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1854[12:59:26] <babilen> dpkg: jessie-backports
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1855[12:59:26] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9
"Stretch" release but recompiled for use with
"Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the
"jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports
are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A
suitable line for your sources.list is «deb
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1856[12:59:45] <babilen> I'd personally start with the
output of the commands I asked about, but I'm off for lunch now
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1857[13:00:00] <babilen> dpkg: bdo kernel
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1858[13:00:01] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases
are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask
me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then
run «aptitude update». To install the current backported
kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install
linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To
list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude
search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian
Backports))'».
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1859[13:00:20] <babilen> skwi: Where is that browser from?
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1860[13:00:22] <fish-bulb> wait so stretch is the next version of
debian?
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1861[13:00:39] <TomTomTo1> not released yet
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1862[13:00:44] <fish-bulb> ok
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1863[13:00:53] <babilen> But yes, stretch will be the next
version/release of Debian
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1864[13:00:57] <fish-bulb> and jessie is the current one that
I'm using
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1866[13:01:07] <fish-bulb> and wheezy is a previous one
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1867[13:01:20] <babilen> dpkg: release history
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1868[13:01:21] <dpkg> Debian releases are named after "Toy
Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28),
Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09),
Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1;
2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14),
Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8;
2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch.
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1869[13:01:23] <fish-bulb> just so I understand what the hell any
of these things are
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1870[13:01:41] <fish-bulb> ok that's more clear now.
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1871[13:02:13] <babilen> fish-bulb: You might want to read
replaced-url
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1873[13:02:30] <babilen> *nom*
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1875[13:02:53] <fish-bulb> I didn't know the order, now I do
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1880[13:04:35] <skwi> babilen, konqueror / firefox-esr / chromium
all the same, it seems they don't see the ssl settings... could
it be possible this create troubles : "updates of cacerts
keystore disabled"
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1881[13:04:36] <skwi> after running dplkg-reconfigure
ca-certificates ?
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1883[13:05:32] <babilen> Could you paste the entire output?
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1887[13:06:44] <fish-bulb> why was I meant to use the backported
kernel
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1888[13:07:10] <TomTomTo1> possibly improved hardware
compatebility.
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1889[13:07:22] <fish-bulb> how do I get it?
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1891[13:08:20] <TomTomTo1>
replaced-url
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1892[13:08:38] <towo`> fish-bulb, how old you are? 10?
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1893[13:09:13] <TomTomTo1> you will need the linux-image-amd64
metapackage and firmware-iwlwifi from there.
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1894[13:09:49] <fish-bulb> should I apt-get upgrade
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1895[13:10:33] <fish-bulb> I've never used debian. all this
shit is unfamiliar
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1896[13:10:35] <TomTomTo1> packages will not get automatically
upgraded to the backports version.
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1897[13:10:38] <babilen> skwi: I'd investigate those lines.
Look into ca-certificates, ca-certificates-java and their respective
scripts and also at update-ca-certificates. Might want to check if
you have /etc/default/ca-certificates or something like that.
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1898[13:11:20] <TomTomTo1> fish-bulb: just apt update to update
your package lists after changing your sources. but the instruction
describe everything.
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1901[13:11:27] <skwi> babilen, it seems all packages are too old,
maybe the fact that i pinned mixxx package involve this ?
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1903[13:11:58] <TomTomTo1> babilen is going to starve ^^
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1904[13:12:35] <fish-bulb> change the sources with what? this
install is totally barebones
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1905[13:13:06] <TomTomTo1> you were asking about
jessie-backports. the instruction i linked explain the whole
process.
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1907[13:13:53] <fish-bulb> how do I middle button scroll with the
thinkpad touchpoint thing
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1909[13:14:17] <TomTomTo1> page up, page down ?
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1910[13:14:37] <towo`> fish-bulb, read it in the thinkwiki
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1912[13:14:54] <fish-bulb> no, I need to hold the middle button,
and scroll by moving the touchpoint thing up and down, that's
not working, it's pretty essential
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1913[13:15:27] <TomTomTo1> how about you focus on one issue?
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1915[13:16:15] <fish-bulb> being able to scroll is pretty useful
in my opinion if I'm supposed to be reading stuff
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1918[13:18:42] <JotaMG> Hi! I have a problem with using
snapshot.debian.org Is this the right place to ask for some help??
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1919[13:19:05] <TomTomTo1> JotaMG: sure, what's the problem?
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1920[13:19:23] <skwi> babilen, /etc/default/ca-certificates
doesn't exist
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1923[13:20:20] <BluesKaj> fish-bulb, use the up/down arrow keys
to scroll if your mouse wheel doesn't do the job
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1929[13:23:27] <fish-bulb> how do I edit sources.list
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1930[13:23:39] <TomTomTo1> with an editor and root permissions.
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1931[13:23:43] <skwi> vi /etc/apt/sources.list
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1933[13:23:58] <fish-bulb> there isn't even sudo
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1935[13:24:04] <TomTomTo1> skwi: did you mean
/etc/ca-certificates ?
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1936[13:24:38] <TomTomTo1> fish-bulb: you don't need sudo to
login as root. use the su command.
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1938[13:24:57] <skwi> no TomTomTo1 /etc/default/ca-certficates
like babilen ask
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1939[13:25:16] <TomTomTo1> i don't that directory either.
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1940[13:25:58] <missmbob> TomTomTo1: he got dpkg command not
found up above ...
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1942[13:26:37] <jaggz> is there a little script which converts
perl module names into debian package names? like ExtUtils::ParseXS
would be something like libextutils-parsexs-perl (but apparently we
don't have that package [in my release])
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1943[13:27:30] <JotaMG> well. I'm testing the X32 port. I
want to install openjdk-7-jre, that is not currently available but
is available in the snapshot server. the problem is that the url is
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1944[13:27:31] <JotaMG>
replaced-url
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1945[13:27:33] <JotaMG> that is, it uses "pool-x32",
and not just "pool", so my sources.list line for that repo
does not retrieve it!
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1946[13:27:38] <TomTomTo1> missmbob: probably copied quotation
marks. but who knows.
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1958[13:32:06] <fish-bulb> the libinput is 0.6.0
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1959[13:32:13] <fish-bulb> this is from 2014
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1960[13:32:52] <fish-bulb> I can't scroll properly with this
old package. how do I use newer... most things
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1967[13:38:22] <skwi> babilen, Fixed, da hell, wrong date in the
bios, what a nasty thing, battery is dead and then bios put the date
in 2008
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1969[13:39:09] <JotaMG> So, how can I make apt to "see"
the packages for openjdk-7-jre, that are on snapshot.debian.org??
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1976[13:40:03] <fish-bulb> can I switch to rolling
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1979[13:40:33] <JotaMG> (and I also have the same problem with
other packages)
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1980[13:40:34] <JotaMG> why it is called "pool-x32" and
not just "pool"??
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1981[13:40:38] <fish-bulb> or can I at least use a newer version
of gnome and a newer kernel
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1990[13:45:04] <TomTomTo1> JotaMG: how does your sources.list
entry look?
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1994[13:48:04] <JotaMG> deb [check-valid-until=no]
replaced-url
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2002[13:51:55] <TomTomTo1> JotaMG: and you get an error on
running apt update ? unofficial debian ports have their own pool-x
directory. they should find the right one on their own.
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2018[13:56:19] <JotaMG> apt-get update:
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2019[13:56:21] <JotaMG> Get:1
replaced-url
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2020[13:56:22] <JotaMG> Get:2
replaced-url
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2021[13:56:24] <JotaMG> Get:3
replaced-url
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2023[13:56:26] <JotaMG> Get:4
replaced-url
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2024[13:56:27] <JotaMG> Get:5
replaced-url
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2025[13:56:29] <JotaMG> Get:6
replaced-url
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2026[13:56:30] <JotaMG> Fetched 66.5 MB in 27s (2,428 kB/s)
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2027[13:56:32] <JotaMG> Reading package lists... Done
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2028[13:56:33] <JotaMG> N: Skipping acquire of configured file
'main/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'replaced-url
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2029[13:56:35] <JotaMG> N: Skipping acquire of configured file
'updates/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'replaced-url
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2030[13:56:36] <JotaMG> N: Skipping acquire of configured file
'main/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'replaced-url
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2032[13:56:38] <JotaMG> # aptitude install openjdk-7-jre
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2033[13:56:39] <JotaMG> No candidate version found for
openjdk-7-jre
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2034[13:56:41] <JotaMG> Unable to apply some actions, aborting
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2035[13:56:42] <JotaMG>
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2036[13:56:49] <coruja> !paste
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2037[13:56:49] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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2039[13:57:48] <JotaMG> my guess is that maybe apt cannot find
the "pool-x32" path??
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2041[13:58:18] <TomTomTo1> JotaMG: ah, so the system is natively
amd64. try putting [arch=x32] after deb and in front of the url in
your sources.list entry.
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2042[13:59:05] <TomTomTo1> JotaMG: no, it just tries to fetch the
amd64 path, which doesn't exist in the /debian-ports directory.
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2045[13:59:37] <JotaMG> I think it is native x32
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2047[14:00:06] <TomTomTo1> then it's a bug. x32 is not an
official port, so this can happen.
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2048[14:00:36] <JotaMG> # dpkg --print-architecture
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2049[14:00:38] <JotaMG> x32
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2050[14:01:10] <JotaMG> Ok, how can I fix that??
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2051[14:01:31] <TomTomTo1> did you do what i suggested?
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2052[14:01:43] <JotaMG> any clues?
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2053[14:02:03] <JotaMG> no, a moment please
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2054[14:02:08] <jelly> JotaMG: x32 is not a supported arch,
it's very very very experimental and incomplete
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2056[14:02:25] <jelly> jdk probably does not build from source at
all
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2057[14:03:21] <jelly> JotaMG: if you need a working 32bit system
or chroot, use "i386"
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2058[14:03:48] <jelly> JotaMG: if you really want to tinker with
x32, join #debian-x32 channel on irc.oftc.net
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2059[14:04:22] <JotaMG> TomTomTo1: what you mean "and in
front of the url in your sources.list" ?
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2061[14:05:01] <TomTomTo1> deb [arch=x32, check-valid-until=no]
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2062[14:05:14] <JotaMG> did not know about x32 channel, will do
that thanks!!
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2063[14:05:15] <TomTomTo1> not sure if the options are comma
separated or by spaces.
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2064[14:05:49] <jelly> yay, so finally we will have a FOURTH
person total interested in x32
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2067[14:07:17] <TomTomTo1> oh, it's spaces, so it should be
[arch=x32 check-valid-until=no]
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2073[14:10:31] <JotaMG> tried with comma and space, apparently
same result:
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2074[14:10:33] <JotaMG> # apt-get update
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2075[14:10:34] <JotaMG> Hit:1
replaced-url
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2076[14:10:36] <JotaMG> Hit:2
replaced-url
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2077[14:10:37] <JotaMG> Reading package lists... Done
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2078[14:10:39] <JotaMG> N: Skipping acquire of configured file
'main/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'replaced-url
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2079[14:10:40] <TomTomTo1> stahp
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2080[14:10:40] <JotaMG> N: Skipping acquire of configured file
'updates/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'replaced-url
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2081[14:10:42] <JotaMG> # aptitude install openjdk-7-jre
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2082[14:10:43] <JotaMG> No candidate version found for
openjdk-7-jre
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2083[14:10:45] <JotaMG> Unable to apply some actions, aborting
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2084[14:10:46] <TomTomTo1> don't
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2086[14:11:03] <themill> JotaMG: you've already been asked
to use paste.debian.net...
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2087[14:11:04] <TomTomTo1> use paste.debian.net if you must,
please.
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2090[14:11:44] <JotaMG> how to do that?
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2091[14:11:53] <JotaMG> sorry!
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2098[14:14:27] <JotaMG> jelly: I cannot understand why people
don't use more x32, because it seems all advantages, or am I
missing something?
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2107[14:18:08] <jelly> JotaMG: this ABI is very new and it's
a lot easier to just use x86_64 (debian's amd64), even if x32
gives you a bit of performance benefit in some situations
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2109[14:18:32] <jelly> new translates to buggy
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2111[14:18:44] <monsterco> how can I restart my server without it
going through a disk check?
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2112[14:19:02] <monsterco> is there anything I can appened to
reboot command? I want it to come back up asap
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2113[14:19:56] <Brigo> monsterco, the disks shouldn't be
checked at boot time unless there is some issue with them.
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2120[14:21:53] <jelly> monsterco: if you want to avoid regular
fsck on ext3-ext4 filesystems, you can use tune2fs to disable them
permanently (but then you risk not noticing filesystem corruption
ever)
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2121[14:22:21] <sobczyk> how are packages with Provides: foo
treated when Package: foo exists?
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2122[14:22:33] <monsterco> jelly - this is an emergency situation
- can I not restart once without?
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2123[14:22:42] <sobczyk> is apt install foo install the virtual
or real one?
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2124[14:23:01] <themill> sobczyk: if nothing is installed yet,
the real package is preferred
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2126[14:23:23] <jelly> monsterco: maybe, but I don't
remember how
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2127[14:23:28] <sobczyk> themill: even if virtual has higher
version number?
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2128[14:23:33] <JotaMG> I think in this case the problem may be
not a bug, but just the way things are arranged in the snapshot
server, because for other debian-ports, they use just
"pool", not "pool-xxx"
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2129[14:23:34] <JotaMG> I will try to help, but my knowledge is
very limited.
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2130[14:23:36] <JotaMG> Next thing I will try is to compile a
kernel for X32.
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2131[14:23:46] <monsterco> jelly - i mean is it bad if i restart
once without checking file system?
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2132[14:24:05] <jelly> JotaMG: the default amd64 kernel works for
x32. (and amd64 and i386)
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2134[14:24:16] <jelly> monsterco: not really
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2135[14:24:44] <JotaMG> I can use a i386 kernel?
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2136[14:25:14] <jelly> JotaMG: only the -amd64 flavored one, and
those only exist in i386 in jessie, not sid
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2137[14:25:38] <JotaMG> Ah ok!
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2141[14:26:27] <NeilHanlon> Brigo: that's not completely
true. using tune2fs to change the maximum mount count can trigger or
not trigger autofsck
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2144[14:27:04] <monsterco> jelly - what is the command for
tune2fs ?
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2147[14:27:27] <Brigo> NeilHanlon, right if you are using ext2,
with ext3 that should not be a problem.
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2148[14:27:40] <NeilHanlon> yeah
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2149[14:27:53] <JotaMG> my current kernel is a amd64, 4.4.6 was
the best I can find:
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2150[14:27:55] <JotaMG> Linux Myx32Linux 4.4.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP
Debian 4.4.6-1 (2016-03-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2152[14:28:02] <NeilHanlon> monsterco: You can *try* `tune2fs -c
-1 /dev/<yourdisk>`, but I can't guarantee that'll
work
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2153[14:28:30] <jelly> monsterco: something like tune2fs -c0 -i0
...
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2154[14:28:48] <Brigo> maybe i should have asking for the
monsterco fileystem type.
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2156[14:29:06] <jelly> monsterco: google search for "jessie
skip autofsck" suggests "touch /fastboot", I have NO
idea if that works
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2160[14:30:57] <monsterco> Brigo - our file system is ext4
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2163[14:31:40] <Brigo> monsterco, why do you think fsck will be
run at boot time?
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2175[14:36:30] <ByteStorm> which package do i download to install
i3 in my debian??
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2176[14:36:48] <ByteStorm> i3wm maybe
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2177[14:36:57] <ByteStorm> let me search it
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2179[14:38:05] <zykotick9> ByteStorm: try "apt-cache search
^i3"
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2181[14:39:16] <ByteStorm> ok thts what im doing
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2182[14:39:58] <ByteStorm> by the way if i hav gnome and i3
installed in my debian,how and when will i switch between those two
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2183[14:40:20] <ByteStorm> i guess i can switch in a tty,but what
command do i put??
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2184[14:40:36] <TomTomTo1> you select it in gdm when you login.
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2186[14:40:58] <ByteStorm> ok
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2208[14:52:30] <fishbulb> how do I use newer packages than 2014
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2210[14:53:12] <TomTomTo1> !stable
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2211[14:53:12] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release
when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes
will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be
removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian
is Jessie (8.7); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are
fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me
about <security backports>).
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2213[14:53:43] <TomTomTo1> if the package is not in backports and
you desperately need it, then you have to build from source.
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2214[14:53:59] <TomTomTo1> or see if upstream has a reliable
build for jessie.
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2215[14:54:03] <fishbulb> ok I don't think backports was
added properly
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2218[14:54:27] <dannyLopez> Hi. o/
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2219[14:54:47] <fishbulb> I am certain it wasn't, is there
an editor that isn't command line? I don't know the
keyboard shortcuts for vi
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2221[14:55:52] <TomTomTo1> nano is more beginner friendly than
vim. i wouldn't give root permissions to a gui editor.
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2224[14:56:15] <fishbulb> apt-get install nano ?
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2227[14:56:35] <TomTomTo1> nano should be installed already.
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2228[14:57:15] <fishbulb> nano /apt/etc/sources.list ?
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2229[14:57:16] <zykotick9> fishbulb: <sidenote> in the long
run, learning vi(m) might not be a bad idea... ymmv
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2230[14:57:27] <fishbulb> in the long run yeah
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2231[14:57:34] <fishbulb> right now I'm trying to get things
to work
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2233[14:57:42] <zykotick9> fishbulb: i hear ya.
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2236[14:58:13] <TomTomTo1> the path is /etc/apt/sources.list
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2237[14:58:47] <fishbulb> and I add what to it again please
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2238[14:59:26] <TomTomTo1>
replaced-url
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2240[15:00:06] <fishbulb> I add it anywhere?
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2241[15:00:20] <TomTomTo1> yes
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2243[15:01:39] <fishbulb> writeout then exit?
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2245[15:02:18] <tomcres> fishbulb, If you exit, it will prompt
you to save.
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2248[15:02:41] <fishbulb> cool
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2250[15:02:49] <fishbulb> apt-get update
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2252[15:03:22] <fishbulb> it did that ok
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2253[15:03:37] <fishbulb> I was supposed to get the newer kernel
somehow
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2255[15:04:13] <tomcres> OK. You can do that by typing: apt -t
backports-jessie install linux-image-amd64
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2256[15:04:48] <TomTomTo1> also firmware-iwlwifi
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2262[15:07:11] <fishbulb> E: The value
'backports-jessie' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as
such a release is not available in the sources
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2263[15:07:51] <jelly> jessie-backports
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2264[15:07:52] <TomTomTo1> you really just need to follow the
instructions and not make a typo.
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2266[15:08:02] <fishbulb> I copy pasted that exact thing
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2268[15:08:08] <TomTomTo1> no you didn't
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2269[15:08:09] <somiaj> jessie-backports is not really designed
to be the default release
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2270[15:08:09] <tomcres> oops.. sorry, that was my mistake
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2271[15:08:14] <jelly> fishbulb: don't listen to random
people on irc, read the instructions
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2273[15:08:42] <tomcres> It's only 9 AM here, I'm still
waking up :-)
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2274[15:08:49] <jelly> !coffee tomcres
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2275[15:08:49] * dpkg decants a fine brew of hippy-blend Colombian for
tomcres, courtesy of jelly
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2278[15:11:12] <dgriffi> !tea
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2279[15:11:12] <dpkg> hmm... tea is the offical drink of KDE
Developers, or not as efficient as koffee, or what makes geiseri
want to pea, or part of katie, sanity checks the database, or what
biscuits were invented for
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2280[15:11:26] <dgriffi> !tea dgriffi
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2281[15:11:26] * dpkg hands dgriffi a nice hot glass of tea with lemon.
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2282[15:11:40] <fishbulb> what do I do with the warnings I just
got
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2283[15:12:04] <ByteStorm> how do i start i3 from my tty?
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2284[15:12:08] <fishbulb> from linux 4.8, several changes have
been made: blahblahblah
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2285[15:12:26] <ByteStorm> fishbulb: paste it to paste.debian.net
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2286[15:12:28] <tomcres> fishbulb, read it. If you're done
reading, you can hit q
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2288[15:12:56] <fishbulb> I'm torn between strangers advice
on irc and what I probably should do
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2289[15:13:09] <ByteStorm> fishbulb: follow tomcres
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2291[15:14:01] <benlue> [Fri Feb 17 15:11:40.569974 2017]
[:error] [pid 18643] [client ::1:35072] PHP Warning:
require_once(/usr/share/php/php-php-gettext/gettext.inc): failed to
open stream: No such file or directory in
/usr/share/phpmyadmin/libraries/common.inc.php on line 77
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2292[15:14:12] <benlue> any ideas?
replaced-url
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2297[15:15:24] <fishbulb> Package firmware-iwlwifi is not
available, but is referred to by another package.
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2298[15:15:32] <Hello71> !nonfree
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2299[15:15:32] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains
software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free
packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free
sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me
about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see
replaced-url
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2300[15:15:47] <fishbulb> so I add nonfree to that jessie
backports one
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2301[15:15:54] <fishbulb> in sources.list
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2303[15:16:12] <tomcres> fishbulb, yes
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2304[15:16:20] <fishbulb> it just has main
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2306[15:16:27] <fishbulb> shoudl I put main contrib non-free
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2307[15:16:37] <SporkWitch> !non-free sources
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2308[15:16:37] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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2309[15:16:53] <tomcres> fishbulb, if you like. that will get you
all three categories
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2311[15:17:06] <fishbulb> I assume that's what I need
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2312[15:17:20] <tomcres> fishbulb, you need at least non-free for
the firmware-iwlwifi package
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2313[15:17:25] <monsterco> how can I tell the maximum limit of
read and write on my HDD?
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2315[15:17:39] <monsterco> I am getting bad IO delays
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2319[15:18:36] <Artemis3> monsterco, iotop. failing drives do
that, i have one stored somewhere.
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2321[15:19:15] <fishbulb> the firmware seems to have installed
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2322[15:19:29] <fishbulb> do I log out and in again?
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2323[15:19:39] <benlue> php-gettext is already the newest version
(1.0.12-0.1).
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2324[15:19:42] <benlue> :/
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2325[15:19:57] <tomcres> fishbulb, reboot
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2327[15:20:04] <missmbob> dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi
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2328[15:20:04] <dpkg> ii firmware-iwlwifi 1.5-14.3
missmbob's private porn collection
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2330[15:20:25] <monsterco> Artemis3 - i get IO delays of 6 to 20%
but this is a very busy virtualized server
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2332[15:20:39] <monsterco> is that normal? or IO delays should be
like no more than 2%?
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2345[15:25:41] <fishbulb> cool, wifi working, kernel up to date.
ish.
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2346[15:26:05] <fishbulb> now for all the other packages that
don't quite do what I need them to
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2349[15:26:49] <fishbulb> can I use arch as a comparison?
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2351[15:27:24] <somiaj> in terms of what? I wouldn't because
arch will most likely have newer versions and packages than jessie
has.
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2352[15:27:58] <fishbulb> can I get the newer versions and
packages with debian somehow
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2354[15:29:46] <fishbulb> because I think some of them predate
this computer, or at least the hardware that's not working like
it did
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2356[15:30:45] <somiaj> some things have newer versions in jessie
backports. For hardware the kernel now that is backports should be
sufficent. What other drivers do you need?
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2358[15:31:13] <somiaj> but some things, such as a DE, you will
want to stick with the version in jessie, which may have noticable
differences in terms of features/behavior.
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2359[15:31:37] <babilen> fishbulb: You could track stretch for
the time being .. it'll be released soonish and is a smooth
ride by now. Did you read the "Lifecycle of a release"
page already?
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2360[15:31:52] <fishbulb> gnome has fairly noticable differences
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2361[15:32:09] <fishbulb> the trackpoint, as in that little red
thing you move around as a mouse, doesn't middle scroll
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2362[15:32:17] <fishbulb> with the middle button
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2363[15:32:31] <towo`> has nothing to do with old software
versions
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2364[15:32:33] <somiaj> fishbulb: yup, and that is what you
should stick with in jessie. Upgrading to stretch is a possibility,
biggest down side is no timely seucirty support until the release,
but it is mostly stable.
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2365[15:32:34] <fishbulb> the package for that was too out of
date according to thinkwiki
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2366[15:32:35] <dannyLopez> Hi, I have 2 monitors connecteds, and
1 external video card and 1 internal video card, so, when connect
the 2 monitors, only one detects my X, and the other works only when
I change to TTYs. How can I do the 2 monitors works at the same
time?
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2367[15:32:42] <towo`> you have to configure it yourself
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2370[15:33:15] <fishbulb> roughly when will stretch be out
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2371[15:33:35] <babilen> ~6 months maybe
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2372[15:33:39] <fishbulb> it's like I'm switching to
debian right at the end of this release
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2373[15:33:41] <babilen> Maybe less, maybe more
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2374[15:33:43] <fishbulb> ok.
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2376[15:34:34] <babilen> Many people track a testing/unstable mix
(cf. /msg dpkg tum), but again: Did you read the "Lifecycle of
a release" section?
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2380[15:35:16] <fishbulb> yeah but it's 0135 on saturday and
I'm going to bed
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2381[15:35:56] <somiaj> running unstable, or testing/unstable may
be more like arch, but you will have to deal with many more bugs, so
it depends on what you want/need
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2382[15:36:16] <somiaj> also I find that testing/unstable seem to
have lots more problems than normal right after a release.
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2383[15:36:19] <fishbulb> well I'm not changing things right
now
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2385[15:36:28] <marioxcc_> Hello
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2386[15:36:30] <fishbulb> I'll stick with this until I know
exactly what I need to change
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2389[15:36:42] <fishbulb> if I'm gonna run debian I should
do it properly
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2390[15:36:53] <babilen> Get used to Debian first, but keep in
mind that it is an option. Come back and ask for best practices (and
read
replaced-url
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2392[15:37:38] <marioxcc_> I need to make a small website (a few
static pages) for a fundraiser. I do not have any experience in web
development, although I am familiar with the basics of system
administration (setting up Nginx, etc.). What software do you
recomment to create the web site?. It must be quick to learn because
we do not have much time for the fundraiser.
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2393[15:37:55] <babilen> There is no "properly" ..
there are ways that suits your needs and then there are many that
don't. Surely tracking stable is, well, not a problem in and of
itself
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2394[15:37:55] <somiaj> fishbulb: I run stable on my work
machines and testing/unstable on my home desktop, but mostly because
I can deal with my desktop breaking more than my work machines.
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2397[15:38:13] <fishbulb> I never really had anything break with
arch
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2399[15:38:35] <fishbulb> that was probably just a year or so
down the fucking drain though
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2400[15:38:42] <babilen> No bugs ever?
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2403[15:39:11] <somiaj> marioxcc_: I personally prefer static
websites over say ones generated by php and the likes. AFter that it
is a matter of writting the code. Markdown is nice, but requires a
little css to get the generated webpages to look well.
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2404[15:39:16] <fishbulb> I don't really remember any that
broke the hell out of something
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2405[15:39:26] <fishbulb> if there were any I think they were
just rolled back
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2409[15:40:40] <fishbulb> "the arch way" is
insufferable, it looks better to use stable most stuff, and then
upgrade what's necessary, plus the installer is basically
perfect
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2414[15:42:12] <marioxcc_> somiaj: Normally I would prefer a
static website too, but right now, only ease of making matter.
Performance isn't important because we won't get many
visitors. What do you suggest?.
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2419[15:43:45] <fishbulb> does conky use up many resources
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2420[15:43:53] <fishbulb> I'd like to get a better system
monitor running
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2425[15:45:41] <fishbulb> and the numix icons, where are those?
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2426[15:46:10] <lux_ATOM> fishbulb apt-get gkrellm
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2428[15:46:19] <lux_ATOM> for monitoring
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2429[15:47:00] <lux_ATOM> i use conky on my atom netbook with a
gig of ram and its not so bad
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2485[16:02:14] <marioxcc_> Hello. I need to make a simple website
for a crowdfunding campaign. What CMS (or similar) would be the
easiest to use for somebody with no web developing experience (like
myself)?.
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2486[16:02:44] <fishbulb> the numix icon theme is in SID
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2487[16:03:06] <jhutchins_> marioxcc_: If you're going to be
taking payments you're going to need someone who knows what
they're doing or a service that offers commerce sites.
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2488[16:03:19] <fishbulb> can I download just that package?
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2490[16:03:42] <marioxcc_> jhutchins: No, I won't take
payments in the web site. I will just adverstise a bank account and
Bitcoin address for donations.
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2503[16:10:37] <sIRwa2> hi, can i move my boot drive to a
different sata port without problem?
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2504[16:10:49] <TomTomTo1> marioxcc_: a website builder like
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2512[16:13:32] <marioxcc_> TomTomTo1: Well, I am familiar with
the backed part (Nginx, PHP, MySQL), but not with the frontend part
(writing CSS, JavaScript, etc.).
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2517[16:14:46] <TomTomTo1> there are a few WYSIWYG editors, never
used them, though.
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2521[16:15:32] <marioxcc_> Ok.
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2535[16:27:56] <somiaj> marioxcc_: markdown is a quick way to
make static pages. jekyll+kramdown is failry popular these days
(what github uses) wordpress isn't to bad either.
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2539[16:28:47] <somiaj> marioxcc_: oh you need to have a shoping
cart, yea look into wordpress, it has addons for such things
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2549[16:29:42] <jhutchins_> TomTomTo1: If you want to use a CMS,
WordPress is probably the simplest to administer.
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2551[16:30:07] <TomTomTo1> I don't.
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2567[16:41:18] <pierrot> I have these visualisation errors on
Eclipse running Debian Jessie:
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2569[16:41:33] <pierrot> Any clues about what might be causing
this?
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2574[16:42:27] <fishbulb> I tried to use MPV to open a video, it
crashed twice then it prompted me to log out
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2575[16:42:49] <dontknow> fishbulb, are you on gnome?
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2576[16:42:53] <fishbulb> yup
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2577[16:43:02] <dontknow> intel gpu?
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2578[16:43:05] <fishbulb> yes
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2585[16:43:28] <dontknow> it is a known bug. you have to enable
sna acceleration to get rid of that bug
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2586[16:43:37] <fishbulb> where do I do that?
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2587[16:43:46] <dontknow> wait
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2591[16:44:39] <at0m> in mpv.conf, vo=sna ?
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2593[16:45:28] <fishbulb> where is that located
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2595[16:45:55] <at0m> you'd create it in .mpv/
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2597[16:46:03] <at0m> man mpv
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2598[16:46:15] <dontknow> fishbulb,
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2603[16:46:51] <dontknow> after that log out and log in
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2604[16:47:27] <fishbulb> I make that file, put only those lines
in it?
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2606[16:47:32] <dontknow> yes
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2611[16:48:57] <dontknow> at0m, vo is video output. you can make
it sna
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2613[16:49:03] <dontknow> can't*
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2616[16:50:12] <fishbulb> crap, I just went nano (that file) and
it won't write
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2618[16:50:37] <dontknow> what do you mean?
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2619[16:51:01] <dontknow> you can't edit it with nano?
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2620[16:51:19] <fishbulb> rm to create a file?
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2622[16:52:06] <dontknow> just do that; "sudo nano
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf" after that paste what i
sent. and after that ctrl+x and say yes
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2623[16:52:24] <fishbulb> I did and it says file does not exist
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2625[16:53:03] <dontknow> that command also creates the file
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2627[16:54:04] <fishbulb> it says the file or directory
doesn't exist
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2628[16:54:18] <fishbulb> no such file or directory
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2630[16:54:24] <fishbulb> it won't write for some reason
even in root
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2631[16:54:33] <dontknow> oh sorry. you should first create
"xorg.conf.d" folder
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2633[16:54:57] <fishbulb> ah cool
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2637[16:55:55] <fishbulb> er. how
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2639[16:56:46] <dontknow> mkdir xorg.conf.d
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2641[16:56:52] <tw> sudo mkdir -p -m 755 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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2646[16:58:13] <fishbulb> then I have to log out and in?
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2647[16:58:27] <dontknow> did you create conf file?
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2651[16:58:31] <dontknow> if so yes
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2653[16:58:42] <fishbulb> ok I'll try that, thanks
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2656[16:59:38] <dontknow> fishbulb, wait a sec. what is your cpu
model?
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2658[17:00:11] <fishbulb> logging out and in didn't work
anyway
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2660[17:00:16] <fishbulb> um it's an i5
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2661[17:00:40] <fishbulb> hd3000 integrated intel
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2662[17:00:50] <fishbulb> it's the mobile version too
I'm pretty sure
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2664[17:01:22] <dontknow> fishbulb, it is not support sna accel.
maybe
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2665[17:01:29] <dontknow> i have hd4000
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2666[17:01:36] <dontknow> 3rd gen
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2667[17:01:49] <dontknow> it looks like yours is 2nd gen.
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2668[17:02:08] <fishbulb> there are two possible i5 cpus
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2671[17:02:41] <fishbulb> MPV worked perfectly in arch
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2672[17:02:51] <fishbulb> it's the only player that does
work perfectly :/
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2674[17:03:26] <dontknow> you can install xfce or other desktop
env. it only happens in gnome
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2675[17:03:39] <fishbulb> does it happen in all versions of
gnome?
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2676[17:03:52] <fishbulb> I don't like any other ones. I
hate gnome the least
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2677[17:03:53] <dontknow> i don't know
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2679[17:04:38] <fishbulb> where does it say it won't work?
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2681[17:05:36] <dontknow> fishbulb, send me the output. cat
/var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep SNA
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2683[17:06:14] <fishbulb> where did that output even go
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2685[17:06:28] <dontknow> what?
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2687[17:06:41] <fishbulb> I typed that and nothing appeared to
happen
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2689[17:06:57] <fishbulb> I haven't rebooted yet
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2690[17:07:19] <dontknow> fishbulb, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
grep uax
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2691[17:07:25] <dontknow> what does it say_
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2692[17:07:47] <fishbulb> sorry I'll be back in a few
minutes
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2697[17:09:51] <Hello71> probably won't have uax in it
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2698[17:10:02] <Hello71> !uuoc
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2699[17:10:02] <dpkg> UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given
out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell.
Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename |
grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern
filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier
to type and marginally more efficient.
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2702[17:10:27] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
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2704[17:10:54] <NapoleonWils0n> i have created a systemd user
service, and run sudo loginctl enable-linger <username>
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2708[17:11:29] <NapoleonWils0n> when i run systemctl --user start
emacs.service, i get failed to start service service not found
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2710[17:11:56] <NapoleonWils0n> i have the service file in
~/.config/systemd/
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2714[17:12:17] <NapoleonWils0n> and also added
WantedBy=default.target
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2715[17:12:37] <centrx> there's an emacs service?
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2718[17:13:01] <at0m> centrx: NapoleonWils0n created one/
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2720[17:13:13] <NapoleonWils0n> centrx its a service file i
created and use on Arch and have use on debian before
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2724[17:13:49] <grift> its ~/.config/systemd/user/
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2725[17:14:06] <NapoleonWils0n> grift yes thats what i meant my
bad
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2726[17:14:11] <centrx>
replaced-url
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2727[17:14:21] <NapoleonWils0n> ah, face palm my bad
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2729[17:14:54] <NapoleonWils0n> cheers grift thats the issue,
blonde moment
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2730[17:16:01] <NapoleonWils0n> i see debian disables all
extensions on chromium, thought it was an april fools
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2731[17:16:38] <dontknow> NapoleonWils0n, extensions or plugins?
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2732[17:16:52] <NapoleonWils0n> extenions from the chrome store
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2733[17:17:13] <NapoleonWils0n> have to add this to your
~/.bashrc
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2734[17:17:15] <NapoleonWils0n> export
CHROMIUM_FLAGS=$CHROMIUM_FLAGS"
--enable-remote-extensions"
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2736[17:17:32] <NapoleonWils0n> otherwise you get an error on the
chrome store and it wont install extensions
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2737[17:18:00] <fishbulb> what was I supposed to do?
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2739[17:18:15] <BluesKaj> NapoleonWils0n, you're not just
politically incorrect,you're not bad just mistakem ,
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2742[17:19:07] <fishbulb> dontknow, what were you asking that I
do?
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2743[17:19:14] <fishbulb> MPV won't play video
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2744[17:19:41] <dontknow> fishbulb, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
grep uax
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2745[17:20:07] <fishbulb> where was that output supposed to go
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2746[17:20:21] <dontknow> does it show anything?
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2747[17:20:25] <fishbulb> no
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2748[17:20:33] <dontknow> also try that cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
grep UAX
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2754[17:21:04] <NapoleonWils0n> BluesKaj what are you on about,
chromium on sid has remote extensions enable by default, check the
changelog
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2755[17:21:05] <fishbulb> what's supposed to be happening
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2756[17:21:06] <NapoleonWils0n>
replaced-url
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2757[17:21:07] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2759[17:21:19] <dontknow> fishbulb, does it show anything
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2760[17:21:27] <fishbulb> no I'd tell you if it did
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2761[17:21:48] <dontknow> does mpv crash as soon as make it full
screen?
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2762[17:21:54] <towo`> it would never show anything
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2764[17:22:03] <BluesKaj> NapoleonWils0n, not about chrome, it
was your "blonde" comment
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2765[17:22:07] <NapoleonWils0n> vdpau or vaapi
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2766[17:22:07] <towo`> the grep has to be grep -i uxa
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2767[17:22:49] <fishbulb> nobody gives a fuck about a blonde
comment
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2768[17:23:27] <fishbulb> how do you know he or she doesn't
have blonde hair like I and many other people do
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2770[17:23:59] <BluesKaj> fishbulb,you don't speak for
"everyone" and watch the language
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2772[17:24:36] <nyws> hey guys, anyone got issues upgrading
jessie to stretch ? (dist-upgrade won't start, kde lib are
lessing around)
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2773[17:24:44] <fishbulb> towo`, do you know the bug with mpv and
intel hd3000, that's what dontknow is trying to help with
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2774[17:24:48] <nyws> s/lessing/messing
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2775[17:25:08] <towo`> i never heared of such bug
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2776[17:25:24] <towo`> and as long i have not seen your x-log, i
will not say anything
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2777[17:25:27] <NapoleonWils0n> fixed systemd user service
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2779[17:26:07] <dontknow> fishbulb, does mpv crashes as soon as
you make it full screen?
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2782[17:26:40] <BluesKaj> nyws, recommend the net install and
avoid the gui ,...smooth as silk
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2783[17:26:50] <dontknow> towo`, i wa suffering because of that
bug
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2784[17:27:06] <fishbulb> dontknow, yeah I just tried it, seems
to work fine until it goes fullscreen
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2785[17:27:07] <nyws> net install and upgrading ?
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2791[17:27:48] <dontknow> fishbulb, because default acceleration
is uxa
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2794[17:28:00] <fishbulb> I made that file
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2795[17:28:04] <fishbulb> I'll try rebooting
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2796[17:28:15] <fishbulb> you're sure that file has what it
needs?
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2799[17:28:47] <dontknow> Section "Device"
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2800[17:28:47] <dontknow> Identifier "Intel Graphics"
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2801[17:28:47] <dontknow> Driver "intel"
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2802[17:28:47] <dontknow> Option "AccelMethod"
"sna"
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2803[17:28:47] <dontknow> EndSection
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2806[17:29:13] <dontknow> lol
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2807[17:29:27] <fishbulb> hah, I'll reboot, and try it again
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2811[17:29:57] <dontknow> i want kde plasma
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2813[17:30:36] <NapoleonWils0n> dontknow have you ever tried i3wm
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2814[17:30:38] <NapoleonWils0n>
replaced-url
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2816[17:31:11] <dontknow> no way. i use mause heavily
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2817[17:31:18] <NapoleonWils0n> once you use i3 you cant swicth
back to a regular desktop
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2819[17:32:00] <dontknow> also it looks like a hacker computer
right :D
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2820[17:32:10] <dontknow> some sort of pickup line
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2821[17:32:28] <NapoleonWils0n> and ranger for the file manager
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2822[17:32:29] <NapoleonWils0n>
replaced-url
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2825[17:32:52] <dontknow> lol no way
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2826[17:33:05] <dontknow> we live in modern era
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2827[17:33:20] <iflema> NapoleonWils0n: mocp
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2830[17:33:40] <fishbulb> dontknow, perfect! it works now
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2831[17:33:47] <fishbulb> cheers
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2832[17:33:48] <dontknow> :D
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2833[17:34:15] <NapoleonWils0n> fishbulb do you use Kodi
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2835[17:34:30] <NapoleonWils0n> you can set Kodi up with mpv as
an external player
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2836[17:34:48] <fishbulb> external on what?
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2837[17:35:04] <BluesKaj> is is for geekflu types, I like the old
DE for my HTPC, it's a basic requirement
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2839[17:35:18] <NapoleonWils0n> so you can use mpv to play videos
from kodi instead of kodi's built in player
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2840[17:35:21] <BluesKaj> i3 even :-)
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2842[17:35:44] <BluesKaj> I use both
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2843[17:35:55] <fishbulb> I haven't tried kodi but that
sounds good, most players don't work well in linux
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2845[17:36:09] <dontknow> kodi is a media player center i guess
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2846[17:36:15] <NapoleonWils0n> i have some bash scripts that can
record from kodi and use mpv, ffplay and vlc as external players
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2847[17:36:17] <NapoleonWils0n>
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2850[17:36:42] <NapoleonWils0n> youtbe videos about record and
streaming from kodi
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2851[17:36:44] <NapoleonWils0n>
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2852[17:36:50] <BluesKaj> kodi works very well if set up to fit
your hardware on baord and connected
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2853[17:37:23] <ElDiabolo> What is i3?
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2855[17:37:38] <NapoleonWils0n> i3 is a tiling window manager
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2856[17:37:41] <fishbulb> I was thinking about it but I
don't have a TV, mostly watch videos on a laptop or external
monitor
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2858[17:37:49] <NapoleonWils0n>
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2859[17:38:20] <NapoleonWils0n> fishbulb you can schedule
recording with my scripts and the at command
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2861[17:39:01] <NapoleonWils0n> or you can just use ffmpeg with
the at command to schedule recordings
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2863[17:40:34] <dontknow> NapoleonWils0n, you use it as youtube
video recording?
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2865[17:41:40] <NapoleonWils0n> the scripts work with urls from
kodi or other sources, and they will record videos hosted on google
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2867[17:42:12] <dontknow> you can download youtube videos with
youtube-dl
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2868[17:42:15] <NapoleonWils0n> you can also use aria2 as an
external downloader with youtube-dl to speed up downloads
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2869[17:43:24] <NapoleonWils0n> heres a script that use aria2 as
an external downloader for youtube-dl
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2870[17:43:26] <NapoleonWils0n>
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2872[17:44:14] <dontknow> it revived my headache
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2895[17:48:18] <NapoleonWils0n> got mpd set up, had to sudo
systemctl disable mpd
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3021[18:48:55] <velix> There have been some mathematic
approxiations, when next Debian will be released. Are there any
approximations for Debian 9 ?
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3056[18:59:47] <jhutchins_> velix: When release critical bugs =
0.
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3059[19:00:09] <velix> jhutchins_: yeah, there have been some
regression graphs in the past.
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3062[19:01:07] <jhutchins_> In my experience with Linux, mplayer
(now mpv) has always just worked. VLC is a newer project, but from
what I've heard it's always worked. Pretty much every
other video player has one major functionality hole or another.
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3064[19:01:46] <velix> I like trains.
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3065[19:01:49] <velix> eeeh I like ffmpeg
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3066[19:02:10] <somiaj> I've seen issues here where vlc
fails to play a video then mplayer or now mplayer2 or mpv in jessie,
but in stretch you have mplayer or mpv (they can't make up
their mind which fork to use) works
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3093[19:15:26] <jhutchins_> I did some research and concluded
that mpv is the most actively developed and functional branch.
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3099[19:19:24] <centrx> jhutchins_: Yes, true
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3101[19:19:44] <centrx> jhutchins_: Though mplayer has returned
to active / version in next Debian is up to date
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3102[19:19:52] <centrx> jhutchins_: mplayer2 is dead
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3104[19:20:11] <centrx> VLC good though. I use that on Windows
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3106[19:21:41] <tw> mpv definitely has the most user features.
Like mouse support in the OSD.
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3110[19:22:32] <iresf> when i use sudo a2enmod php7.0 it says :
ERROR Module php7.0 does not exist !
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3157[19:42:50] <raynold> yoooo sup debians
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3169[19:51:00] <somiaj> jhutchins: my only problem with mpv
(which I have installed now is I have to type each command twice to
get it to work, I first type mplayer file, then after the error I
type mpv file -- they should use alternatives for this)
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3171[19:52:18] <Diogenes_> Good evening.
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3176[19:52:57] <Diogenes_> I'm trying to install
EPSON's iscan-bundle in order to use my scanner.
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3178[19:53:26] <Diogenes_> During installation it fails when
trying to install "sane-utils"
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3180[19:54:21] <Diogenes_>
replaced-url
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3183[19:54:48] <raynold> thats rough
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3189[19:55:15] <Diogenes_> Though. :(
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3191[19:55:47] <Diogenes_> I don't think I wrote that
correctly, but anyway. XD
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3193[19:56:33] <raynold> carbed wire
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3195[19:58:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> somiaj, I use both… well,
mostly still mplayer….. definitely mplayre1 and mplayer2
… so I don't think one should hijack the other, although
they are all from the same oritinal source
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3196[19:58:02] <Diogenes_> What was that?
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3212[20:04:43] <johnfg> hi folks
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3228[20:07:36] <MaxLanar> Hello, I need to debug a program
running as a service (mpd). I stop it with 'systemctl stop
mpd' (and can confirm it is stopped with 'ps -Af |grep
mpd') but when I run the program manually (with
'/usr/bin/mpd --stdout --no-daemon --verbose') it complain
it can't run because of that error 'socket: Failed to bind
to '192.168.0.14:6600': Address already in use'.
Indeed, 'lsof -itcp:6600 -stcp:listen' informs me that
systemd is still
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3229[20:07:36] <MaxLanar> listening on that address. This tells
me I must not understand how starting/stopping services with systemd
really works...
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3231[20:08:32] <MaxLanar> How can I terminate
"properly" mdp and make systemd not listen to that address
anymore, so that I can run mpd manually ?
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3235[20:10:04] <bub_> systemctl disable mpd .. reboot.. hehe.. a
bit harsh, but should work
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3247[20:15:24] <MaxLanar> bub_ : naaa I can't do that ! :o (
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3248[20:15:41] <MaxLanar> :)
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3249[20:15:50] <MaxLanar> Seriously, that's the only way ?
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3256[20:18:02] <MaxLanar> bub_: Here is the trick :
'systemctl stop mpd.socket'
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3257[20:18:10] <MaxLanar> (from mpd room)
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3261[20:19:13] <bub_> hehe, that was more elegant..
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3269[20:23:16] <turlutton> Hey there, I'm looking for a way
to load a plugin only for c,cpp , and I'm using pathogen . I
have tried pathogen#interpose or pathogen#surround as suggested here
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3274[20:25:30] <turlutton> Oh sry, wrong channel
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3311[20:43:31] <BCMM> i'm trying to install debian alongside
an existing windows install. graphical installation seemed to go
fine, but at the end when it asked to install the bootloader, it
didn't detect windows and only offered to install grub on the
MBR. it's a gpt disk and uefi install of windows, so i was
hoping to install a uefi bootloader
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3313[20:44:08] <BCMM> i just told it to skip the bootloader. is
there something i can run, after chrooting the system, to install
efi grub "properly"?
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3322[20:46:52] <BCMM> a thought: did this happen because i
accidentally booted the dvd in BIOS mode?
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3327[20:47:17] <BCMM> (i thought i booted it in efi mode but
could be wrong)
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3328[20:47:18] <Vizva> BCMM you can change in bios always too
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3330[20:47:47] <Vizva> load windows in uefi or load debian in
bios mode
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3332[20:48:02] <Vizva> but you need to install grub
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3333[20:48:27] <Vizva> if the uefi only didnt work for you
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3335[20:49:08] <BCMM> Vizva: it didn't offer me uefi grub,
unless i'm missing something
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3336[20:49:14] <Kniaz> hi. is Debian 8.0 the the latest available
for raspberry pi?
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3338[20:49:35] <Vizva> you dont need uefi in bios mode
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3339[20:49:50] <BCMM> i know, but i'm trying to use uefi
mode
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3340[20:49:56] <mpalumbo> BCMM: does yoru BOIS have a
"Legacy" setting?
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3341[20:50:07] <Vizva> change on start to ueifi or to bios and
boot whst there
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3342[20:50:21] <BCMM> mpalumbo: to disable MBR boot? yes
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3343[20:50:22] <Vizva> legacy is bios mode if you want to call it
like that
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3344[20:50:36] <BCMM> Vizva: i would really much rather choose
from a bootloader menu thanks
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3345[20:50:36] <Vizva> have to go
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3346[20:50:50] <Vizva> yes thats a good idea
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3348[20:51:01] <Vizva> i dont start windows in a month
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3350[20:51:09] <Vizva> so i do it the other way
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3351[20:51:29] <BCMM> i think i will try chrooting and installing
grub-efi myself
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3352[20:52:13] <BCMM> does update-grub automatically detect other
OSs?
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3353[20:52:26] <mpalumbo> BCMM: it's not hard to do that
way, i had to do that for Pentoo because the install boinked on me
and did not install grub for some reason
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3355[20:52:47] <mpalumbo> BCMM: normally,it has issues with
FreeBSD i have found
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3356[20:53:02] <BCMM> mpalumbo: yeah i've chrooted to fix
the bootloader on gentoo before. just never with debian or efi
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3358[20:53:11] <mpalumbo> BCMM: but if your other OS is Win, then
you should be fine
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3359[20:53:26] <mpalumbo> BCMM: if you have done it on Gentoo,
you should be fine :)
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3360[20:53:30] <BCMM> i don't want to accidentally do things
the wrong way such that it stops working when grub updates or
something
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3361[20:53:54] <BCMM> well, rebooting. be back if it doesn't
work :)
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3362[20:53:55] <mpalumbo> BCMM: once grub is there, as long as
you install it correctly,it should work just fine
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3418[21:12:30] <johnfg> I've got a program
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3420[21:14:12] <parshimers> anyone having SSL issues on chromium
56.0.2924.76 as well?
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3432[21:19:56] <BCMM> so, mixed results
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3433[21:20:09] <BCMM> debian boots now, but windows doesn't
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3435[21:20:32] <bub_> what happens with windows?
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3436[21:21:14] <BCMM> bub_: i don't have an option to boot
windows, as far as i can see
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3437[21:21:21] <bub_> did you run grub-update?
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3438[21:21:29] <BCMM> bub_, yes
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3439[21:21:34] <BCMM> it's a uefi system by the way
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3440[21:21:53] <BCMM> hang on, did you mean update-grub?
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3441[21:22:14] <BCMM> i just ran update-grub again and it found
windows this time
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3442[21:22:20] <BCMM> something must have confused it when i was
in the chroot
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3443[21:22:28] <BCMM> brb rebooting. sorry for the flood.
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3444[21:22:33] <bub_> gl
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3445[21:22:36] <BCMM> thx
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3456[21:25:06] <BCMM> thanks to all; working now
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