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• 7[00:03:50] <__m4ch1n3__> not sure if it will work but you could try "rmmod usbmodulename ; modprobe usbmodulename" to restart usb
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• 9[00:05:15] <__m4ch1n3__> lsmod lists all modules
• 10[00:06:05] <__m4ch1n3__> lsmod | grep usb
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• 14[00:08:49] <__m4ch1n3__> rmmod and modprobe have verbose option -v
• 15[00:10:18] <jolt> and maybe use lsusb to see which things are acting up, and dmesg for clues
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• 45[00:29:03] <unkmar> I haven't gone away. I've been trying similar suggestions with failed results. :(
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• 49[00:32:04] <jolt> unkmar: Could also be some weird technical errors with the motherboard. Not likely, but not impossible either. Blacklisting ports should be seen in some log
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• 58[00:37:53] <unkmar> Well, this time. It appears to be the usb device not working. Tested it and its partner in another computer. The partner product has no problem. It refused to show on either computer. So, not the ports.
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• 62[00:38:58] <jolt> unkmar: well, as soon as something is plugged in you should see it in dmesg, and if some state of some kind is changed, it should be in syslog or messages
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• 64[00:39:56] <jolt> And if it's not, then I'm not sure the kernel is to blame. I have seen a bunch of weird electrical problems in my days, so I won't rule it out. Does it happen with another device in the same computer?
• 65[00:40:12] <unkmar> Yeah, but I have had some USB devices that stop existing or responding on one port but would function on another in the same computer. Eventually exhausting ports until reboot.
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• 69[00:41:00] <unkmar> This time, it appears the device itself is at fault. Completely failed at the device instead of a port issue.
• 70[00:41:07] <jolt> ah
• 71[00:41:28] <jolt> Sorry, I bit tired, so I missed that part
• 72[00:41:51] <rpifan> i my audio output is set to dummy output, i have tried everything possible. the kernel does load. I deleted the whole of the /etc/pulse folder and resinatlled same issue
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• 75[00:43:39] <unkmar> rpifan: I use pavucontrol, Graphical interface. From there do you see the other devices, not just the dummy? Could just be a matter of dummy being set to default?
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• 78[00:44:29] <unkmar> rpifan: I can check and fix things by cli, ust a real pain for pulse unless auto setting a lot of things by script.
• 79[00:44:37] <unkmar> *just a pain
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• 81[00:45:18] <rpifan> pavucontorl only shows the dummy output
• 82[00:45:27] <unkmar> rpifan: All your audio devices should be visible under the configuration tab.
• 83[00:45:32] <rpifan> no
• 84[00:45:35] <rpifan> only dummy output
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• 86[00:46:55] <unkmar> rpifan: Use to work, doesn't now? Or never worked so far in this version?
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• 88[00:47:22] <rpifan> it randoly stopped working from night to morning
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• 90[00:47:50] <pyface> what's the reason that some packages, like virtualbox, aren't available in debian 9?
• 91[00:47:56] <pyface> (i had to get it from backports)
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• 94[00:48:46] <pyface> i.e. debian stable (stretch)
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• 101[00:52:57] <unkmar> rpifan: sounds like the drivers are failing or dropping out for some reasons. See anything in dmesg?
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• 112[00:58:18] <rpifan> nop
• 113[00:58:26] <rpifan> it runs fine if i delete pulseaudio
• 114[00:58:29] <rpifan> and it goes to alsa
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• 116[00:58:34] <rpifan> its just the volume ireally low
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• 128[01:08:46] <unkmar> rpifan: What do you get with: pacmd list | grep device.descr
• 129[01:08:50] <unkmar> Only dummy ???
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• 133[01:10:21] <lone-wolf> Whats the default theme in the "Panel Settings>Appearence"? I change and now i don't remember
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• 140[01:14:15] <lone-wolf> On kali linux
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• 214[02:10:25] <pierrot> Hi. I'm using Debian 9 and installed the android-sdk package. I'm trying to compile scrcpy from here replaced-url
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• 219[02:12:45] <pierrot> I've searched the web for it and found that I must accept the licenses running $ANDROID_HOME/tools/bin/sdkmanager --licenses
• 220[02:12:57] <pierrot> however, in that path there isn't any sdkmanager
• 221[02:13:07] <pierrot> so I don't know how to accept the the licenses
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• 232[02:21:11] <pierrot> has anyone experienced this issue?
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• 284[03:00:24] <r3> Hi all, just wanted to wish everyone a happy Friday! :)
• 285[03:00:55] <Sveta> hi r3 :)
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• 292[03:05:46] <rpifan> hi
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• 295[03:06:48] <Sveta> hey rpifan, bhowdy :)
• 296[03:06:59] <rpifan> im ok u
• 297[03:07:21] <Virgo> Good evening
• 298[03:07:26] <Sveta> updating pc on weekend rpifan :)
• 299[03:07:30] <Sveta> hi Virgo :)
• 300[03:07:36] <Virgo> hi :)
• 301[03:07:49] <rpifan> nice
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• 374[04:33:42] <Ouroboros> wow, 'ifup eth0' -> 'Waiting for DAD...'
• 375[04:33:47] <Ouroboros> i got scared... thanks, DAD
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• 379[04:36:48] <contrapunctus[m]> Debian 9.4. I installed ibus and ibus-m17n, which on previous Debian installations would IIRC provide a 'devanagari-inscript' input method, but now it seems to be nowhere to be seen in the 'add input method' menu.
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• 381[04:37:35] <contrapunctus[m]> Some page recommended running `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.input-sources show-all-sources true', but that didn't result in any change.
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• 394[05:04:43] <melissa666> Why would does running `sudo ip link set mtu 1532 dev wlan0` give me the error "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument"?
• 395[05:05:03] <melissa666> is it saying that the device can't use an mtu of 1532?
• 396[05:05:31] <melissa666> or am I passing the wrong args to the command?
• 397[05:05:44] <michael2> what is mtu?
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• 400[05:07:07] <melissa666> michael2, replaced-url
• 401[05:07:32] <michael2> melissa666: your order of args is wrong
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• 404[05:09:49] <michael2> melissa666: if you run `ip link help'
• 405[05:10:00] <michael2> it tells you the order
• 406[05:10:05] <michael2> ip link set { DEVICE | dev DEVICE | group DEVGROUP }
• 407[05:10:05] <melissa666> michael2, thanks - but `sudo ip link set dev wlan0 mtu 1532` and `sudo ip link set wlan0 mtu 1532` give the same error
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• 409[05:12:32] <melissa666> hmmm, I get similar error when I run `sudo ifconfig wlan0 mtu 1532` ... "SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument" ... must be invalid to set to 1532 for some reason
• 410[05:12:42] <michael2> melissa666: and your interface identifier is definitely `wlan0' ?
• 411[05:13:14] <melissa666> ... all of the tutorials I'm finding for batman-adv claim that I need to set mtu to 1532 because batman adds 32-bytes per frame
• 412[05:13:24] <melissa666> yes, definitely wlan0
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• 415[05:16:41] <michael2> sorry, I cant think of any thing else to try
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• 422[05:24:21] <Ouroboros> great, having 'iface eth0 inet ...' and 'iface eth0 inet6 ..." in interfaces *still* does not work properly even though the manpage indicates that it does
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• 424[05:24:37] <whislock> Ouroboros: What issue are you having?
• 425[05:25:22] <Ouroboros> the script brings down the link before the second iface stanza is executed, which causes an error when the address is deleted e.g.
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• 428[05:25:35] <whislock> Ouroboros: Pastebin your /e/n/i for me?
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• 430[05:26:00] <Ouroboros> this particular issue does not affect functionality, but still
• 431[05:26:16] <whislock> Ouroboros: I'm actually pretty good with these setups, let me take a crack at it. :)
• 432[05:26:48] <Ouroboros> well, i am actually going to configure it differently anyway, so unless you are going to submit a patch :P
• 433[05:26:55] <whislock> Who knows, I might.
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• 435[05:27:19] <whislock> Your /e/n/i and the error you're getting, if you're willing?
• 436[05:28:31] <Ouroboros> well, then try this: auto <if>; iface <if> inet static; address <address>; iface <if> inet6 static; address <address>, where ; is newline
• 437[05:28:52] <whislock> Yeah, I do that all the time.
• 438[05:28:58] <whislock> This box, for instance.
• 439[05:30:12] <michael2> is it possible to start "font-manager" to preview just a single font?
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• 441[05:31:19] <Ouroboros> 'ifup <if>; ifdown <if>': this should produce 'RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address'
• 442[05:31:55] <Ouroboros> (in the second command)
• 443[05:32:06] <whislock> Not for me. So, again, your /e/n/i would be helpful.
• 444[05:32:24] <Ouroboros> that is literally the whole thing, just with addresses redacted
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• 446[05:32:45] <whislock> Then it's not the whole thing, is it. :P
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• 448[05:32:55] <Ouroboros> shrug
• 449[05:33:13] <whislock> I don't get the error you're getting, and I've been using that config since stretch launched.
• 450[05:33:15] <whislock> shrug
• 451[05:33:45] <Ouroboros> then maybe *your* interfaces is not exactly the same :P
• 452[05:33:54] <Ouroboros> and/or something else is different
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• 457[05:35:06] <Ouroboros> from 'ifdown -v', it is pretty clear why the error is happening
• 458[05:36:42] <whislock> Ouroboros: replaced-url
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• 460[05:37:58] <Ouroboros> hold on, i don't have web :P
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• 467[05:53:27] <michael2> Ouroboros: if you want to view a paste.debian in your terminal just add "plain" and curl it
• 468[05:53:33] <michael2> replaced-url
• 469[05:53:44] <michael2> curl replaced-url
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• 490[06:11:47] <Ouroboros> michael2: no, i mean, i don't have web *here*
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• 497[06:16:32] <Ouroboros> whislock: hm, can you show the output of 'ifdown -v' and 'ifup -v' for that (with addresses redacted)?
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• 507[06:24:57] <whislock> Ouroboros: Yeah, let me reach a stopping point so I can drop my network.
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• 520[06:35:05] <whislock> Ouroboros: Ten points to you, I AM getting the error you mentioned. I never noticed it before.
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• 534[06:47:32] <Ouroboros> heh
• 535[06:47:54] <whislock> Ouroboros: replaced-url
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• 538[06:50:36] <Ouroboros> there is also some other strange stuff in my output, such as that for ipv4 it does 'address add' then 'link set up', and for ipv6 it does the reverse
• 539[06:51:31] <Ouroboros> not certain whether that matters, i am yet not that familiar with the 'new' iproute commands
• 540[06:52:45] <Ouroboros> anyway, i am just going to set the interface to 'manual' and do everything myself
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• 543[06:59:08] <Ouroboros> whislock: yeah, looks about the same as mine, thanks for another data point
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• 612[08:00:50] <mackerel449> does debian have binaries compiled with profile guided optimzations?
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• 614[08:03:00] <annadane> AFAIK no
• 615[08:03:14] <annadane> does any distro, actually?
• 616[08:04:03] <mackerel449> not even the browsers?
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• 628[08:16:51] <Matthew_Moore> Hello, anybody here?
• 629[08:17:40] <SirLagz> nope
• 630[08:17:49] <annadane> Matthew_Moore, lots of people, go ahead
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• 632[08:18:14] <Matthew_Moore> Nobody seemed to be chatting so wasen't sure.
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• 634[08:18:41] <SirLagz> Matthew_Moore: there's always people on IRC, but not always chatting until someone in here pipes up
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• 636[08:19:09] <Matthew_Moore> I ran into an issue on Debian stretch. i'm running the deb-multimedia repo, and with a recent security update i've encountered a list of dependancy error all related to VLC.
• 637[08:19:16] <Matthew_Moore> Anyone else have this problem?
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• 639[08:20:49] <annadane> i'm not sure how to treat such a question as debian generally recommends against using debian-multimedia, but that doesn't really help you
• 640[08:21:26] <annadane> i'll wait for someone else to answer it
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• 642[08:22:01] <Matthew_Moore> I am aware of that. I plan on doing a clean install and not adding the repo. There is only two packages that i use that are in that repo that aren't in the stock repo.
• 643[08:22:03] <SirLagz> Matthew_Moore: why did you install the deb-multimedia repo?
• 644[08:22:17] <Matthew_Moore> I just thought i'd see if there was a quick fix first
• 645[08:22:37] <Matthew_Moore> I added it becuase i needed a package that was not in the main repos
• 646[08:22:42] <SirLagz> Matthew_Moore: I would remove the repo, do an apt-get update, purge all VLC related packages, then see if apt-get -u dist-upgrade works
• 647[08:22:45] <annadane> i guess it depends on the dependency error, may be able to solve it manually
• 648[08:23:38] <Matthew_Moore> Well, if i remove the repo, i'll just reinstall the system, Adding that repo changes many libraries when you run updates. I'm not sure exactly which ones. So i'll just reinstall clean if i remove it. Just to eliminate any problems.
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• 650[08:23:53] <Matthew_Moore> That's probably what i'll do.
• 651[08:24:46] <Matthew_Moore> There's really only maybe one or two packages that i use that come from that repo. It's probably a far more stable option just to install the indavidual .deb package for those items. Even though i know that's not recomended either.
• 652[08:25:00] <Matthew_Moore> But it's probably the lesser of two evils.
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• 655[08:25:12] <no_gravity> Sometimes my machine takes ages to wind down. Is there a way to debug what is going on?
• 656[08:25:20] <SirLagz> Matthew_Moore: or you could just remove all the packages that were installed from deb-multimedia
• 657[08:25:29] <SirLagz> Matthew_Moore: that would be the same as starting fresh, maybe a bit more effort though
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• 659[08:25:48] <Matthew_Moore> The problem is, after adding that repo, it also removed some packages with the updates.
• 660[08:26:21] <Matthew_Moore> for Example there are some Media libraries that come with debian stable. They were all removed when i added that repo.
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• 662[08:26:30] <SirLagz> Matthew_Moore: that's fine, they can be reinstalled
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• 664[08:26:59] <Matthew_Moore> Yeah. But i don't know everything that was removed. I'm afraid i might miss something.
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• 666[08:27:53] <Matthew_Moore> For peace of mind, i'm ok with a reinstall. I have a backup of my APT configuration from a previous installation. as long as i don't touch my home directory it should be an easy proscess.
• 667[08:28:24] <Matthew_Moore> Then i'll just avoid the deb-multimedia repo, and see if manually installing that package is any less problematic.
• 668[08:28:31] <SirLagz> Matthew_Moore: the 'reinstall when things break' mindset is rather counterproductive...
• 669[08:28:57] <annadane> eh... to each their own, honestly
• 670[08:29:01] <annadane> people have reasons
• 671[08:29:03] <annadane> o
• 672[08:29:10] <annadane> i'm rather fond of reinstalls personally
• 673[08:29:31] <Matthew_Moore> It might be counter productive. But i have nothing else to do. And i don't mind it so much. At least i know i have a clean slate to work with.
• 674[08:29:43] <annadane> that's basically why i do it too
• 675[08:29:45] <SirLagz> the only time I reinstall is when I'm testing new environments / distros...I rarely do it otherwise, no need to these days
• 676[08:30:03] <SirLagz> Matthew_Moore: apt has a log that tells you what it's done too
• 677[08:30:14] <SirLagz> Matthew_Moore: if you want to see exactly what was removed etc
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• 679[08:30:56] <Matthew_Moore> That brings me to another question. On my Laptop, i'm running XFCE, i don't have many options for my TrackPad. I don't have tap to click, or disable while typing. Any of that stuff.
• 680[08:31:10] <Matthew_Moore> What package am i missing?
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• 683[08:31:34] <annadane> ,v mouseemu
• 684[08:31:35] <judd> Package: mouseemu on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.15-9; jessie: 0.15-10; buster: 0.15-10+b1; sid: 0.15-10+b1; stretch: 0.15-10+b1
• 685[08:31:38] <annadane> possibly that
• 686[08:31:55] <Matthew_Moore> Ok i'll try it.
• 687[08:31:56] <Matthew_Moore> thanks
• 688[08:32:03] <SirLagz> Matthew_Moore: that would be a perfect question to google for too.
• 689[08:32:04] <annadane> otherwise i've not experience with trackpads
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• 691[08:32:23] <Matthew_Moore> I did google it. I got a bag of mixed information. So wasen't sure.
• 692[08:32:37] <SirLagz> Matthew_Moore: replaced-url
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• 696[08:32:53] <SirLagz> 5th link down when I googled it.
• 697[08:32:59] <annadane> xfce itself may or may not have something in xfce4-goodies
• 698[08:33:27] <Matthew_Moore> i have xfce4-goodies installed.
• 699[08:33:47] <annadane> it feels like every time i stop using xfce, someone has an xfce question, therefore i can't answer it :P
• 700[08:34:08] <SirLagz> I've been using XFCE for ages lol...but I don't recall when I last used it on a laptop
• 701[08:34:21] <SirLagz> anyways I gtg. see yas
• 702[08:37:09] <Matthew_Moore> One minor annoyance on my DELL, is broadcom of course. The drivers work. But the little LED on the outside of the computer dosen't do anything. It dosen't effect usability. It's just Annoying for my OCD. LOL!!
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• 707[08:40:50] <Matthew_Moore> Regardless Debian is still a smoother experince then Xubuntu / Ubuntu. I don't know what they did to that distro. But man is it laggy.
• 708[08:40:57] <Matthew_Moore> I have a new slogan for them.
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• 710[08:41:09] <Matthew_Moore> "Cononical, Breaking Debain since 2004". LOL!!!
• 711[08:41:10] <Unit193> Matthew_Moore: Is xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed?
• 712[08:41:19] <Matthew_Moore> Yes it is.
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• 714[08:41:45] <Unit193> With that, you should have all the options in xfce4-mouse-settings
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• 716[08:42:03] <Matthew_Moore> Well, i don't. that's why i'm asking.
• 717[08:42:23] <Matthew_Moore> My Dell has an ALPS trackpad. Not synaptic based. Maybe that's the issue
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• 719[08:43:07] <Matthew_Moore> With track-point also.
• 720[08:43:27] <Matthew_Moore> It's a latitiude enterprise Laptop.
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• 723[08:45:15] <Unit193> Presuming that, and -libinput are installed, everything should just be there. If not, then sure I'd try the other recommendation.
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• 726[08:46:19] <Matthew_Moore> Well, i have some things to try, based on what folks here have told me. So i'll work on it and see what i can come up with
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• 730[08:49:43] <Matthew_Moore> You know what i like most about Debian? It's you guys. :) The debian community. I go to Arch, Manjaro, Ubuntu, There's always some A-Hole that shows up and ruins my day.
• 731[08:49:51] <Matthew_Moore> But i never get that with the Debian community.
• 732[08:50:01] <annadane> obviously not addressed to me
• 733[08:50:08] <Matthew_Moore> You folks are always friendly. :)
• 734[08:50:15] <annadane> ...yeah...
• 735[08:51:12] <Matthew_Moore> I can handle abrasive. I'm a bit of a A-Hole myself. But there is a diffrence between being playfully sarcastic. And just being outright malicious.
• 736[08:52:07] <Matthew_Moore> I never get that from the Debian Community.
• 737[08:53:15] <Matthew_Moore> To be 100% honest. Debian is NOT my favorite distro. But, the friendly community is starting to change that for me.
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• 739[08:53:24] <Matthew_Moore> I know i'm being weird. But... i wanted to say that. :)
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• 746[08:55:57] <annadane> i've gotten short with people sometimes and i regret it
• 747[08:56:16] <Matthew_Moore> So have i. But they probably deserved it. LOL!!
• 748[08:57:34] <Matthew_Moore> There will always be exceptions to every community. But i have just noticed, I don't really run into those kinds of people much in this community.
• 749[08:58:07] <Unit193> Though you may wish to note that there is also #debian-offtopic.
• 750[08:58:35] <annadane> matthew has not met the grey cat
• 751[08:58:41] <annadane> but yes, there is that channel
• 752[08:58:51] <Matthew_Moore> Meh... there's always one.
• 753[08:59:01] <annadane> (he's usually right, though)
• 754[08:59:14] <Matthew_Moore> But compared to... Lets say the Arch community. This place is rainbows and unicorns. LOL!!! :)
• 755[09:00:00] <Matthew_Moore> Well. It's OK to be a certain way, as long as you can back it up.
• 756[09:00:57] <Matthew_Moore> Perfect example. My inquiry tonight. I said i was having issues with deb-multimedia. Instead of tearing me apart for it. What i got was. "Debian dosent remomend using that".
• 757[09:01:01] <Matthew_Moore> Oh.. ok then.
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• 760[09:01:55] <Matthew_Moore> Compare that to the Arch community. Yeah. they're not so nice about stuff like that. LOL!!!
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• 762[09:02:14] <Matthew_Moore> Just one example.
• 763[09:02:18] <annadane> Unit193, is kind of hinting we move this over to #debian-offtopic
• 764[09:02:23] <annadane> not to dissuade you from conversation
• 765[09:02:33] <Matthew_Moore> I know. I'm done though.
• 766[09:02:41] <annadane> oops comma
• 767[09:02:46] <annadane> (autocompletion)
• 768[09:02:58] <Matthew_Moore> Starting to get awkward. So i'll stop talking
• 769[09:03:20] <Matthew_Moore> I'm running on No sleep. I tend to talk far to much when i'm dead tired. So... that's my bad. :)
• 770[09:04:06] <Matthew_Moore> I'm waiting on Debian to finish installing so i can try all the things sugjested erlier.
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• 773[09:07:06] <Matthew_Moore> Is there a Debian Discord? I've seen a few Linux communities adopting it.
• 774[09:07:18] <annadane> not really afaik
• 775[09:08:02] <annadane> few matrix rooms though
• 776[09:08:30] <Matthew_Moore> hmmm... I suppose if there was one, it would be unofficial. Knowing the position Debian has on Non-free software.
• 777[09:08:42] <annadane> well, certainly unofficial if anything, yes
• 778[09:08:51] <Matthew_Moore> Discord uses the Skype engine on the backend. So.... there's that. :/
• 779[09:09:24] <annadane> i think it's more just that no one particularly wants to put the effort into an official discord when IRC exists and has been the standard for eons
• 780[09:10:08] <Matthew_Moore> That's true. It's just the popularity of IRC isn't what it used to be. And Discord is really getting popular.
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• 782[09:10:25] <Matthew_Moore> I see many communtiies starting to adopt it.
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• 784[09:10:37] <annadane> i'd still say this is more #debian-offtopic material
• 785[09:10:50] <annadane> while yes no one is talking, people do like to keep the channel clear for official support
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• 789[09:11:54] <Matthew_Moore> Ok. my installation is done now. I'm going to start working on that anyways. and try the things sugjested here about my previous issue.
• 790[09:12:02] <annadane> good luck. :)
• 791[09:12:22] <Matthew_Moore> Thanks. Id i come back on tonight, i'll use the offtopic channel. Unless i need more help.
• 792[09:12:35] <Matthew_Moore> Thanks for putting up with me. :)
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• 943[11:31:40] <Kocane> Is it retarded to run Sid on a homeserver?
• 944[11:31:51] <Kocane> Where stability is nice but not critical per se
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• 946[11:33:00] <Kocane> I've been trying hard to get vaapi hwacc to work on my server and the only way I can make
• 947[11:33:35] <Kocane> is when I update the thing fully with the unstable repository
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• 963[11:38:50] <wonderer> hi all
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• 965[11:39:23] <wonderer> attempting to upgrade deb 6 to 7
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• 967[11:40:07] <wonderer> just wondered if any one managed it before, using this guide replaced-url
• 968[11:40:39] <wonderer> my first obstacle atm is sudo is not a recognised command, even though I have sudoer access
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• 972[11:42:24] <wonderer> used usermod -aG sudo username
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• 975[11:43:42] <Kelsar> wonderer: if it is not recognized, maybe it is not installed?
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• 993[11:59:11] <wonderer> Kelsar... i ussumed sudo was part of the os deb6 install
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• 1003[12:04:02] <wonderer> you mean /usr/bin/sudo ?
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• 1012[12:09:19] <solido> there are lots of android-sdk packages, but i can't find the emulator in any of them.
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• 1120[13:25:03] <alx_fly> someone familair with xrandr?
• 1121[13:25:16] <alx_fly> i couldn't find a solution to setup 3 screens as only one device
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• 1123[13:26:35] <lorde> Dude, how long have you been trying to do that?
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• 1125[13:26:47] <lorde> I remember you asking this same question like 3 weeks ago
• 1126[13:26:52] <alx_fly> i dont know. spend some time
• 1127[13:27:08] <alx_fly> XD
• 1128[13:27:22] <lorde> Did you try the solution with mirroring?
• 1129[13:27:39] <lorde> Look, I can do that google search again just so that you stop asking this same question
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• 1133[13:32:10] <lorde> alx_fly: Try this replaced-url
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• 1140[13:37:05] <alx_fly> MRX: Hi
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• 1143[13:38:10] <MRX> alx_fly : what your name ?
• 1144[13:38:16] <alx_fly> alex
• 1145[13:38:19] <alx_fly> why?
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• 1147[13:39:27] <MRX> good name alex,what do you come from ?
• 1148[13:40:14] <alx_fly> what is that for a question?
• 1149[13:40:28] <lorde> MRX: I suspect that he comes from a vagina, like all of us humans
• 1150[13:40:39] <MRX> what do you come from alex ?
• 1151[13:40:39] <alx_fly> MRX: What is your credit number?
• 1152[13:41:10] <lorde> MRX: what is your designation?
• 1153[13:41:43] <MRX> why ask my credit ?
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• 1155[13:42:02] <alx_fly> maybe i want to buy something
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• 1158[13:43:17] <MRX> want to buy what ?
• 1159[13:43:47] <MRX> lorde : what do you mean ?
• 1160[13:43:52] <p0g0> lorde: the Ceseareans too?
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• 1162[13:44:22] <lorde> MRX: answer me, what is your designation?
• 1163[13:45:07] <alx_fly> lorde: thank you for your search. i need it dynamically with xrandr and this is incompatible with Xinerama. its a display link extender with 3 screens connected to an notebook :)
• 1164[13:45:27] <MRX> lorde :what kind of name ?
• 1165[13:46:14] <alx_fly> lorde: thank you for your help
• 1166[13:46:27] <alx_fly> and hey good memory .... 3 weeks ago ;)
• 1167[13:46:39] <lorde> MRX: you must proceed to your dedicated recharging station, your neural implant must be replaced
• 1168[13:46:41] <MRX> alx_fly: what do you want from me ?
• 1169[13:46:54] <alx_fly> MRX: nothing
• 1170[13:47:32] <lorde> alx_fly: are you really sure you want that on a laptop?
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• 1247[14:49:44] <jsync> Hello. I'm learning bash. I'm curious, is there a way to check the Debian system to see what terminals are open?
• 1248[14:50:08] <abrotman> X-based terminals, or vttys?
• 1249[14:50:29] <jsync> x-terms would be cool.
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• 1260[15:06:24] <jswift> jsync: ps uax | grep bash ?
• 1261[15:08:03] <jswift> jsync: htop
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• 1271[15:17:00] <jsync> jswift, cool!! How do I implement commands to identify gnome-terminal to my bash scripts?
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• 1276[15:21:18] <jsync> For an example, can I perform a gnome-terminal --attach-with-pid=9980?
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• 1287[15:28:13] <limbo_> attach?
• 1288[15:28:40] <lorde> jsync: In my opinion, you should better go with screen launched in a graphical terminal emulator
• 1289[15:29:14] <lorde> jsync: Read about GNU screen a little bit, I think that's what you really need
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• 1309[15:46:21] <yokowka> hello everysoul! with booting of debian there is such system mesage : failed to start raise network interface, can it be corrected with no failed?
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• 1318[15:53:31] <lorde> yokowka: You need to provide more detail
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• 1322[15:54:24] <lorde> yokowka: How is the interface set up? What kind of interface is it? (ethernet, wifi)
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• 1328[15:57:27] <yokowka> lorde, hello! When booting is on i have not much time to wright system mesage. debian 9 stretch, gnome 3.22.2. interface wifi amd lan sometime.
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• 1332[15:59:08] <yokowka> *and not amd
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• 1336[16:00:22] <ubikite> hi. i'm trying to build clamav package with --disable-unrar removed. is there any guide or documentation you can suggest?
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• 1338[16:01:26] <somiaj> !package recompile
• 1339[16:01:26] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
• 1340[16:02:10] <somiaj> at step 4 alter the debian/rules to remove that option (you may need to install the unrar libary headers too)
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• 1353[16:12:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
• 1354[16:13:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i have this issue where if i forget to put my external hdd connected to my server it wont boot up.
• 1355[16:13:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> it halts ssh from coming up at all and i have to figure out whats going on
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• 1359[16:16:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i am fixing the fstab issue now
• 1360[16:16:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> wondering how i can change the order of ssh in emergency mode where you do the ctrl+d to continue or put in password for root
• 1361[16:16:34] <yokowka> Somesoul help! with booting of debian there is such system mesage : failed to start raise network interface, can it be corrected with no failed? debian 9 stretch, gnome 3.22.2. interface wifi amd lan sometime.
• 1362[16:17:02] <abrotman> Eryn_1983_FL: are you mounting by device or UUID?
• 1363[16:17:04] <yokowka> *and lan
• 1364[16:17:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> uuid
• 1365[16:17:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> should be in my runlevels right
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• 1370[16:21:42] <movad> hi
• 1371[16:21:49] <movad> anyone know how to upgrade nvidia-driver package?
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• 1377[16:25:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> also this one failed
• 1378[16:25:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> ● systemd-modules-load.service loaded failed failed Load Kernel Modules
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• 1382[16:28:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> systemd-modules-load[247]: Failed to insert 'it87': No such device
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• 1390[16:38:29] <somiaj> movad: why do you want to upgrade the nvidia-driver package? Does the version in stretch not suit your needs (there is a slightly newer version in stretch-backports that you can use too)
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• 1392[16:38:47] <movad> somiaj: i want to upgrade so i can run hashcat.
• 1393[16:39:09] <somiaj> Eryn_1983_FL: check /etc/modules do you have it87 listed in that file?
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• 1395[16:39:37] <somiaj> movad: that is most likely not what you need, but stretch-backports will contain newer drivers. You most likely need cuda and make sure to read the docs.
• 1396[16:39:53] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 1397[16:39:55] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+3; buster/non-free: 390.48-3;
• 1398[16:39:56] <judd> sid/non-free: 390.59-1
• 1399[16:40:05] <somiaj> stretch-backports has version 390.48
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• 1402[16:41:04] <somiaj> but my guess is the difference between 384.130 and 380.48 is not your issue, and I don't know the cuda drivers, but you may want the nvidia-cuda-toolkit package
• 1403[16:41:40] <movad> somiaj: can you help me with that?
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• 1406[16:43:13] <somiaj> no, read the docs
• 1407[16:43:25] <somiaj> I don't really know the details, and the docs is what I would read to figure it out.
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• 1422[16:58:28] <movad> somiaj: what docs?
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• 1429[17:02:49] <Aebian> x11 apps on my local shell are working fine when launching them. If I connect now to another host via the -X or -Y parameter they wont. Whats missing here? Npt sure what I should export as display variable because my IP (from the ISP) is not static
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• 1435[17:04:48] <teclo-> if you use -Y you should not have to set $DISPLAY
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• 1443[17:08:27] <Aebian> ah I guess the problem lies within Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding.
• 1444[17:08:30] <Aebian> X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0
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• 1489[17:28:25] <movad> !apt
• 1490[17:28:26] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
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• 1519[17:51:52] <yokowka> Somesoul help! with booting of debian there is such system mesage : failed to start raise network interface, can it be corrected with no failed? debian 9 stretch, gnome 3.22.2. interface wifi amd lan sometime
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• 1522[17:55:23] <lorde> yokowka: I asked you to provide details, you don't do that
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• 1524[17:55:49] <somiaj> check the /etc/network/interfaces file, that sounds like an error from the networking service
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• 1535[17:59:40] <lorde> yokowka: So, both ethernet and wifi don't work, or just one of them? What wifi and ethernet adaptors do you have?
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• 1552[18:05:39] <Ouroboros> Aebian: are you tunneling through ssh?
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• 1588[18:36:11] <fooman2011> Hello. I have keyboard troubles with a program when I run it through ssh. It works perfectly when it is launched directly on the machine tty, but some keyboard problems (due to SDL bug) occurs when I launch it throught ssh. Is there any way to launch this program throught ssh as if it was launched directly from the machine ?
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• 1598[18:45:29] <Toadisattva> not sure if this is the correct place to ask but since it's debian based I'll give it a shot. Using the kali-rolling distro, my network manager shows me as connected to my network, but in order to ping or actually access the internet I have to run dhclient, is there a setting I can change or a way I can automate this process so I don't have to manually run dhclient every time I log in?
• 1599[18:45:46] <nkuttler> !kali
• 1600[18:45:46] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1602[18:46:03] <Toadisattva> gotcha thanks
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• 1605[18:47:25] <dreamer> hi all, little thing I never ran in to until now: how can I see what a package is a dependency _of_ ? so not it's own dependencies, but the package that depended on it
• 1606[18:48:29] <nkuttler> dreamer: apt-cache rdepends can do that
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• 1608[18:48:46] <dreamer> oh thank you! I didn't even know that 'rdepends' existed <#
• 1609[18:49:00] <dreamer> I did know 'depends', but not the reverse. hah. thnx :)
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• 1611[18:49:14] <dreamer> "learn something every day"
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• 1614[18:50:58] <Rmn> Hi People! This might be the most stupid query ever. But i am really confused at it! I finished the course after very careful study and started the labs 3 days ago, but have been unable to hack anything...The approach i follow when targeting a system to search for vulnerabilities is full nmap scans, enum4linux, dirb, nikto and stuff mentioned in the manual for enumeration and info gathering but haven't even managed to exploit any vulnerability...am i going
• 1615[18:50:59] <Rmn> wrong somewhere??
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• 1617[18:51:43] <nkuttler> Rmn: you're in #debian
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• 1623[18:57:52] <Ouroboros> fooman2011: it is just a console program?
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• 1635[19:05:45] <Aebian> Ouroboros: well yeah trying to
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• 1637[19:06:18] <Aebian> Xserver --> z-shell --> ssh connect to server --> z-shell on server
• 1638[19:06:42] <Aebian> and then I'm trying to run a gui program there
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• 1641[19:09:49] <akd> I am unable to run a shell script as user master-backup `sudo: unable to execute /root/paas/scripts/bin/backup: Permission denied`, I have permission : `-rwxr-xr-x 1 master-backup master-backup 13938 Sep 15 2017 /root/paas/scripts/bin/backup`
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• 1648[19:17:16] <Ouroboros> Aebian: i vaguely remember, from when i last did this 20 years ago, that in this case DISPLAY should be set to something like localhost:0, you can duckduck it
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• 1650[19:18:11] <Ouroboros> or just use vnc
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• 1666[19:36:04] <srg___> Hi. I'm running Debian 9.4 with xfce. I installed the keepass2 package, but when I open keepass (via xfce's menu or via the terminal), nothing happens. There's no terminal output and a keepass window does not open.
• 1667[19:36:19] <srg___> My /etc/apt/sources.list only contains debian.org repos (no third party).
• 1668[19:36:25] <nejeeeee> which software can i use to write a list of things than could be re arranged alphabetically?
• 1669[19:36:51] <srg___> nejeeeee: Does the `sort` command help? `man sort`
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• 1671[19:37:19] <nejeeeee> ??
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• 1675[19:38:02] <srg___> nejeeeee: It lets you sort some input (including alphabetically)
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• 1677[19:39:00] <srg___> Regarding my keepass issue: Am I somehow missing some packages? I checked the depdencies and the recommends in aptitude for the keepass2 package
• 1678[19:39:07] <srg___> It looks ok, but I'm not sure why it's not working
• 1679[19:40:01] <annadane> nejeeeee, man means manual page, they're ways of knowing how software works, type in your terminal man sort
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• 1681[19:40:38] <annadane> or i guess, obviously install sort if it's not installed yet otherwise you won't get a page
• 1682[19:41:10] <annadane> they're also all on manpages.debian.org
• 1683[19:41:23] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 1688[19:44:37] <nejeeeee> mmm
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• 1690[19:45:16] <nejeeeee> i'm talking about something like libre office
• 1691[19:47:15] <somiaj> then use libreoffice calc, it can sort too. But sort can work on any text file.
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• 1693[19:50:25] <AimHere> If you're writing that text file with emacs, then M-x sort-lines will do the job...
• 1694[19:51:32] <Aebian> can someone tell me if thats related to missing packages? replaced-url
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• 1696[19:54:46] <somiaj> Aebian: is this in debian stretch? Also it could be the version of the libary you are using, the undefined referneces makes me think that you are trying to link against a version of the libary that is not compadaible with that source. You'll have to check what the source actually requires for more info.
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• 1698[19:55:29] <ubikite> another question: ClamAv has a bug for RAR v5. files: replaced-url
• 1699[19:55:45] <Aebian> it is debian stretch yes, just trying to build replaced-url
• 1700[19:56:03] <Aebian> worked in the past, now doesn't
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• 1702[19:56:06] <Aebian> weird
• 1703[19:56:38] <AimHere> Might it be a 386 project you're trying to compile on a 64-bit system or vice versa?
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• 1705[19:57:06] <AimHere> That might explain the include being there while the library isn't
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• 1707[19:58:13] <Aebian> I'm running x86_64 GNU/Linux and the program should work there hmm
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• 1711[19:59:43] <nejeeeee> i'm not sure how to do it with calc
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• 1713[20:01:55] <somiaj> Aebian: you don't have locally install libs of different versions. Stretch also provides openssl 1.0 and 1.1, maybe you need libssl1.0-dev?
• 1714[20:02:09] <somiaj> but look at the actual source, it should tell you what versions it is compadable with.
• 1715[20:02:50] <AimHere> nejeeeee, select the columns, then Data/Sort (or Sort Ascending or Sort Descending)
• 1716[20:03:07] <nejeeeee> i'm writing some sort of enciclopedia
• 1717[20:03:29] <AimHere> Because it's a spreadsheet, it can sort a table by the entries in one row or column, so there's plenty of options you may have to navigate
• 1718[20:03:33] <Aebian> somiaj: I can try, I buioold the tool remote on my debian server without issues. Just the local won't do
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• 1720[20:03:41] <Aebian> *built
• 1721[20:03:43] <nejeeeee> so the format is a title with a description
• 1722[20:03:48] <AimHere> nejeeeee, start by spelling it 'encyclopedia' :)
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• 1724[20:06:47] <Aebian> somiaj: cheers man, on my remote it wasn't required: replaced-url
• 1725[20:07:21] <akd> I want to connect using SSH key/pair, this is my log from the distant host : replaced-url
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• 1733[20:15:12] <bites> akd: authorized_keys needs to be 600 not 660
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• 1735[20:15:34] <bites> akd: oh, it is. never mind, read that wrong.
• 1736[20:16:09] <akd> =[
• 1737[20:16:11] <akd> can you help me ?
• 1738[20:16:17] <akd> I've replaced the key and that was not that
• 1739[20:16:18] <bites> akd: should be belonging to that user, though.
• 1740[20:16:22] <akd> they are correct
• 1741[20:18:31] <bites> akd: is /backup/ the home of user master-backup ? then authorized_keys should belong to that user. you also have a typo in the file name.
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• 1743[20:18:53] <bites> autorized_keys, should be authorized_keys
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• 1745[20:25:38] <melissa666> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone here has had any luck installing Debian ARM64 on a Rock64 board? I am trying to do a mesh networking project, and the USB 2.0 on the Raspberry Pi means USB networking isn't feasible for anything other than small networks. But before I drop $ for a Rock64, I wanted to know if it's actually somewhat reliable/stable or if HW support is so buggy, it's not worth it?
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• 1748[20:26:47] <melissa666> Basically, I just wanna know if the hardware support is decent enough that basic stuff like networking, usb, mmc, etc is gonna work ok or if I'm going to be spending a lot of time debugging driver issues and whatnot
• 1749[20:27:32] <melissa666> I was going to use this debian ARM image: replaced-url
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• 1753[20:29:18] <RoyK> melissa666: I've used debian on a pi some years back, but these days I just stick to raspbian
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• 1758[20:30:22] <melissa666> RoyK, Yeah, I'm using Raspbian on my Pi3B+ but I don't think it will work on the Rock64 board. All the install guides I've found for Rock64 suggest using Debian ARM64
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• 1761[20:32:12] <RoyK> melissa666: then just try it - last I tried it on a pi, most things just worked
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• 1767[20:33:48] <melissa666> RoyK, like I said, I don't want to drop the $ to "just try it" if the hardware support just isn't there ...
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• 1769[20:35:05] <melissa666> and I wouldn't use raspbian anyway (just debian arm64), because the hardware is different on Rock64, and no benefit to installing rasbpi drivers, utils, etc on different board
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• 1773[20:37:55] <RoyK> melissa666: the kernel is mostly (or exactly?) the same on raspbian as on debian - it'll probably work
• 1774[20:38:08] <RoyK> melissa666: if it does, please tell :)
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• 1779[20:39:09] <RoyK> melissa666: personally, I don't know, since I'vee never even seen a rock64
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• 1782[20:39:33] <choice> Hello! How do I know if I should use the 32-Bit or 64-Bit version of Debian?
• 1783[20:39:54] <RoyK> choice: most PCs has had 64bit CPUs the last 15 years or so
• 1784[20:40:16] <choice> RoyK: I'm not sure how old my Laptop is.
• 1785[20:40:42] <RoyK> either find the specs of the cpu, or just try to boot the amd64 version
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• 1787[20:40:49] <RoyK> if it works, you have a 64bit cpu
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• 1795[20:43:38] <choice> Can I see it from 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'?
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• 1798[20:43:45] <RoyK> urd
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• 1800[20:43:47] <RoyK> erm
• 1801[20:43:48] <RoyK> yes
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• 1803[20:44:22] <RoyK> choice: pastebin output of lspu or cat /proc/cpuinfo
• 1804[20:44:45] <choice> Better teach me how to know if it's 32 or 64 bit.
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• 1806[20:44:59] <RoyK> just check the cpu model and google it
• 1807[20:45:04] <choice> Ok
• 1808[20:45:32] <choice> Seems to be 64-bit :)
• 1809[20:45:41] <RoyK> most are these days
• 1810[20:45:48] <choice> Can I install debian with wifi drivers included these days?
• 1811[20:46:00] <choice> I don't have a cable. So if it does not support wifi I cannot install it.
• 1812[20:46:03] <RoyK> usually it works fine
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• 1814[20:46:13] <annadane> you can use the non-free fimware image
• 1815[20:46:16] <RoyK> some laptops are a bit hrd
• 1816[20:46:16] <choice> Can I check upfront somehow?
• 1817[20:46:19] <annadane> firmware*
• 1818[20:46:23] <choice> annadane: But is that officially supported?
• 1819[20:46:29] <annadane> i believe so
• 1820[20:46:35] <choice> annadane: Where is it?
• 1821[20:46:38] <RoyK> obviously depends on the chipset
• 1822[20:46:46] <choice> RoyK: How do I check?
• 1823[20:46:46] <annadane> !non-free firmware
• 1824[20:46:49] <annadane> err
• 1825[20:46:51] <annadane> sigh
• 1826[20:47:02] <RoyK> choice: what sort of laptop is this?
• 1827[20:47:09] <choice> RoyK: A lenovo
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• 1829[20:47:33] <RoyK> probably it's easier to try than to ask
• 1830[20:47:34] <jgkamat> usually firmware-realtek gets things working
• 1831[20:47:40] <jgkamat> for me at least
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• 1833[20:47:54] <melissa666> RoyK, I'm sure it would likely work fine to install raspbian on a rock64, because it's based on debian arm64. it would just include a lot of useless raspberry pi related firmware/utils in addition to the debian arm64 standard stuff.
• 1834[20:47:58] <RoyK> jgkamat: you may need an internet connection to install that packange, though ;)
• 1835[20:48:13] <choice> RoyK: The download will probably take pretty long.
• 1836[20:48:14] <jgkamat> just grab the deb and copy from another computer :P
• 1837[20:48:24] <jgkamat> or use ethernet
• 1838[20:48:32] <RoyK> melissa666: just try it
• 1839[20:48:37] <choice> jgkamat: I don't have a cable.
• 1840[20:48:44] <RoyK> choice: lousy network connection?
• 1841[20:49:03] <choice> RoyK: It does not feel lousy to me. It's the best I can afford.
• 1842[20:49:10] <RoyK> how fast?
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• 1844[20:49:11] <fooman2011> Is it possible to mute (block any character output) a tty in bash ? I mean, I would like to do this "ioctl(tty, KDSKBMUTE, 1) && ioctl(tty, KDSKBMODE, K_OFF)" in bash
• 1845[20:49:11] <melissa666> RoyK, you're repeating yourself. I already said I don't have the board, and am trying to ask someone who has experience with it how it works. You already said you don't have experience, so you have nothing to contribute.
• 1846[20:49:27] <melissa666> ... I don't want to waste $ on a different board
• 1847[20:49:36] <melissa666> oops, different --> useless
• 1848[20:49:37] <choice> RoyK: fast.com says 3.8Mbps
• 1849[20:49:46] <RoyK> melissa666: yes, and since noone else seems to answer, I'm saying 'try it yourself'
• 1850[20:49:56] <RoyK> choice: shouldn't take too long
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• 1852[20:50:47] <choice> The wifi seems to be "Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300" by Intel.
• 1853[20:51:08] <melissa666> roy, yes it was fine when you suggested "just trying it" the first time, but repeating yourself multiple times after that isn't helpful. anyways, I'll wait for someone with some experience to answer - cya
• 1854[20:51:11] <RoyK> choice: the network install image should find the hardware if it's supported in the original kernel, and that's not very big
• 1855[20:51:31] <RoyK> melissa666: it'll take longer than just trying it :D
• 1856[20:51:39] <RoyK> melissa666: good luck anyway
• 1857[20:52:01] <choice> RoyK: Ok. So I download it and do 'cat debian-9....iso /dev/sdb'?
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• 1859[20:52:37] <melissa666> RoyK, you're a pretty terrible listener. I've already told you multiple times that I DON'T OWN THE BOARD YET. So "just trying it" will mean waiting for it to ship. So, no, I don't think that will take less time than asking a question on IRC. so stfu already with your "just try it" nonsense
• 1860[20:52:41] <RoyK> choice: dd if=debian-9...iso of=/dev/thatusbthing bs=1M
• 1861[20:53:05] <choice> RoyK: ok
• 1862[20:53:16] <choice> Will that give me a desktop with a taskbar at the bottom?
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• 1865[20:53:51] <RoyK> melissa666: perhaps there's someone at #debian-arm or a separte channel for that board? most chatting in here is about x86/x64
• 1866[20:54:32] <RoyK> choice: if you install desktop, yes, but then, with that link speed, it'll probably take some time
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• 1868[20:55:05] <choice> RoyK: What I mean is: I'm afraid I will get a desktop like Ubuntu. With no real task bar.
• 1869[20:55:13] * melissa666 marvels at dense/arrogant men who feel they need to blabber endlessly on subjects they have no experience with ... and steps away from the keyboard
• 1870[20:55:31] <RoyK> choice: debian isn't ubuntu - relax ;)
• 1871[20:55:41] <choice> RoyK: What desktop will I get?
• 1872[20:55:52] <RoyK> iirc default is gnome 3
• 1873[20:56:09] <RoyK> unity doesn't exist outside of ubuntu
• 1874[20:56:11] <choice> RoyK: Isn't that an Ubuntu style desktop without taskbar?
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• 1876[20:56:58] <choice> When I look at screenshots of Debian 9, some have a taskbard and some dont.
• 1877[20:57:23] <choice> When I look at screenshots of 'Gnome 3' none has a taskbar.
• 1878[20:57:37] <choice> It has that Ubuntu-Style launcher on the left.
• 1879[20:57:52] <RoyK> you can install any window manager you want
• 1880[20:57:53] <melissa666> choice, you can choose to disable the panel, or auto-hide it
• 1881[20:58:05] <choice> melissa666: What's a panel?
• 1882[20:58:22] <melissa666> so the screenshots you're seeing could just have it auto-hidden (where it pops up on mouse over)
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• 1884[20:58:55] <melissa666> choice, it's a common term for the thing at the top/bottom/side of screen with taskbars, app launchers, status icons, etc
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• 1887[20:59:24] <choice> melissa666: I'm sceptical. I don't know how to link to google image search, but I see no taskbar anywhere.
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• 1889[20:59:37] <melissa666> I was referring to when you said " When I look at screenshots of Debian 9, some have a taskbard and some dont."
• 1890[20:59:45] <debron> excuse me guys, some way to see mac address without ifconfig package?
• 1891[20:59:53] <choice> melissa666: Yeah, but *none* of the Gnome3 images have a taskbar.
• 1892[21:00:16] <choice> So I think Gnome3 is not what I want.
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• 1894[21:00:35] <RoyK> then install something else
• 1895[21:00:39] <choice> RoyK: How?
• 1896[21:00:48] <RoyK> apt-get install …
• 1897[21:00:56] <melissa666> choice, you can install a panel in gnome3
• 1898[21:00:58] <RoyK> then switch to whatever you'd like
• 1899[21:01:17] <choice> I tend to think I should use a disto that comes with a taskbar right from the start.
• 1900[21:01:45] <melissa666> or you can use another desktop (I use KDE/XFCE right now, which both have panel by default)
• 1901[21:01:53] * RoyK worked with a guy some 6 years back who insisted on using fvwm2
• 1902[21:02:47] <choice> I checked my other computer that has a taskbar and it's Mint with Mate.
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• 1904[21:03:20] <choice> So I know I like Mate.
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• 1906[21:03:26] <melissa666> choice, yes - that's a Debian derivative (bc it's derived from Ubuntu) ... my experiences with Mint have not been good (very buggy)
• 1907[21:03:32] <RoyK> choice: so use Mate, then
• 1908[21:03:34] <melissa666> but yes, Mate is good, and you can install on debian
• 1909[21:03:40] <choice> How would I install Debian 9 with Mate?
• 1910[21:03:50] <RoyK> choice: install mate
• 1911[21:03:54] <yakiza> Hello guys i have just install Debian 9 and i dont have a wireless connection in LSPCI i can only see my ethernet card, and iwconfig shows no wireless interface
• 1912[21:04:00] <choice> RoyK: 'apt-get install mate'?
• 1913[21:04:12] <annadane> if you want MATE you have different options depending on how much cruft you want to install
• 1914[21:04:13] <yakiza> only ethernet card no wifi *
• 1915[21:04:19] <RoyK> iirc yes
• 1916[21:04:23] <melissa666> choice, sudo apt-get install mate-desktop
• 1917[21:04:29] <annadane> wiki.debian.org/MATE lists them
• 1918[21:04:32] <RoyK> melissa666: thnks
• 1919[21:04:44] <annadane> err
• 1920[21:04:48] <annadane> not that link sorry
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• 1922[21:04:55] <melissa666> choice, actually sorry no - mate-desktop-environment
• 1923[21:04:57] <annadane> replaced-url
• 1924[21:05:01] <RoyK> yakiza: if it doesn't show up in lspci, something is rather weird
• 1925[21:05:04] <melissa666> apt-get install mate-desktop-environment
• 1926[21:05:16] <annadane> but yeah, if you want what the installer would normally install you have task-mate-desktop, but that also includes a bunch of other programs
• 1927[21:05:17] <choice> melissa666: ok
• 1928[21:05:21] <yakiza> RoyK: i know thats why i came here any advice?
• 1929[21:05:24] <RoyK> yakiza: does lshw show it?
• 1930[21:05:32] <yakiza> RoyK: its an Dell inspiror 3000 series laptop
• 1931[21:05:40] <RoyK> may be connected to usb, though
• 1932[21:05:42] <annadane> but for general purpose sure, mate-desktop-environment works fine
• 1933[21:05:48] <yakiza> RoyK: No only my ethernet card
• 1934[21:05:53] <choice> Do I copy the iso to /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1?
• 1935[21:06:17] <RoyK> choice: is sdb your usb stick?
• 1936[21:06:18] <melissa666> choice, after you install mate-desktop-environment, you will select it in the dropdown in gdm (the login screen)
• 1937[21:06:44] <choice> RoyK: Yeah, I hope so :)
• 1938[21:06:52] <RoyK> sdb1 is the partition - the iso would like to sit on the drive itself
• 1939[21:07:00] <RoyK> choice: check first ;)
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• 1941[21:07:35] <choice> RoyK: Yes, it is.
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• 1943[21:07:52] <RoyK> then use sdb, not sdb1
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• 1945[21:08:04] <choice> Here we go ...
• 1946[21:08:30] <yakiza> Hello guys for some reason my lspci doesnt show my wireless card and there is no interface in iwconfig
• 1947[21:08:35] <annadane> and then "sync" after that
• 1948[21:08:40] <choice> annadane: What?
• 1949[21:08:47] <annadane> once it's done copying, type sync
• 1950[21:08:53] <RoyK> or add oconv=sync to dd
• 1951[21:08:56] <choice> annadane: ok
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• 1953[21:09:19] <choice> Ha, it booted!
• 1954[21:09:19] <melissa666> yakiza, what card are you using?
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• 1957[21:09:47] <yakiza> I dont know its teh default one so its intel
• 1958[21:10:07] <RoyK> is it enabled in BIOS? is chipkill disabled?
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• 1960[21:10:31] <rtmataeu34> ^ if its hw disabled that might affect it
• 1961[21:11:14] <choice> It says no wifi :(
• 1962[21:11:34] <choice> Talks about missing firmware iwlwifi-5000-4-ucode and some others.
• 1963[21:11:43] <yakiza> ill checkbios
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• 1966[21:13:00] <Sir_Designer> choicereplaced-url
• 1967[21:13:12] <Sir_Designer> choice replaced-url
• 1968[21:13:22] <choice> Sir_Designer: What's that?
• 1969[21:13:29] <Sir_Designer> whatchu need
• 1970[21:13:36] <RoyK> choice: quite a few wifi cards need "firmware", that is, the actual driver, where the driver in the kernel is just an interface to the real driver in the "firmware"
• 1971[21:13:49] <choice> So what shall I do?
• 1972[21:13:54] <RoyK> and as Sir_Designer says - you may need the ndis wrapper if no such driver/firmware exists
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• 1974[21:14:16] * choice starts downloading Mint.
• 1975[21:14:18] <RoyK> but you *will* need an internet connection first - got any neighbors that may have a cable?
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• 1977[21:14:47] <choice> 1.8GB... that will take a while...
• 1978[21:14:54] <Sir_Designer> or download on smartphone
• 1979[21:15:11] <choice> Sir_Designer: Downloading is not a problem. I have another computer.
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• 1981[21:15:17] <Sir_Designer> k
• 1982[21:15:54] <choice> Mint will finish downloading in 50 minutes...
• 1983[21:16:33] <choice> As far as I remember, I did this dance on every new Debian release since version 5 or so.
• 1984[21:16:39] <choice> And everytime it failed at this step.
• 1985[21:16:51] <choice> Somehow I never give up the hope I will one day use Debian :)
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• 1987[21:17:35] <Sir_Designer> every linux has its own inate and traditional brokeness. you put in ndiswrapper and it jsut works. shrug.
• 1988[21:17:56] <choice> Sir_Designer: I really dont want to download stuff from sourceforge.
• 1989[21:18:06] <Sir_Designer> hten get a mac.
• 1990[21:18:24] <Sir_Designer> what do you think sourceforge is, home of rhte aged and diseased?
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• 1995[21:18:47] <choice> Yup, kind of.
• 1996[21:18:56] <Sir_Designer> noted.
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• 2000[21:19:16] <choice> They started including malware in the downloads at some point.
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• 2002[21:19:44] <choice> The thing changed hands a couple of times.
• 2003[21:19:51] <choice> God knows what they are up to these days.
• 2004[21:19:51] <Sir_Designer> if you want security, don't use linux. too easy to abuse by scriptkiddies. install something vetted, like openbsd.
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• 2007[21:20:33] <choice> I could move the wifi drivers over via usb another usb stick.
• 2008[21:20:40] <choice> If I would know where to get them.
• 2009[21:20:56] <Sir_Designer> nisdwrapper provides them. but nooooooo.
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• 2012[21:21:38] <choice> It might be this one: replaced-url
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• 2014[21:22:42] <choice> Following the download link leads to "firmware-iwlwifi_20161130-3_all.deb"
• 2015[21:22:46] <choice> Is that what I need?
• 2016[21:23:26] <Sir_Designer> dude. 2016. it's like 2 years stale.
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• 2018[21:23:47] <choice> ?
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• 2020[21:23:57] <Guest32107> Hello! I am from Kiev. Does anyone want to chat?
• 2021[21:24:06] <Sir_Designer> Kiev best city.
• 2022[21:24:11] <choice> RoyK: Do you know if that deb is the thing I need?
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• 2024[21:26:02] <choice> Ha, I gave it that deb on a stick and that got the wifi working!
• 2025[21:26:10] <LtL> choice: my guess its what you need. look at its list of files on the website, it will probably show a similar iwlwifi* firmware mentioned in your dmesg
• 2026[21:26:33] <LtL> choice: cheers
• 2027[21:27:18] <choice> LtL: Yeah. It sees the access point now. But then failed at "Attempting to exchange keys with the access point".
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• 2030[21:28:14] <choice> Well, that was when I tried "wpa" or something. Now I tried "wep" and it seems to work...
• 2031[21:28:28] <choice> Nah, failed too.
• 2032[21:28:34] <LtL> choice: wpa_supplicant comes to mind. I have no idea what you have installed
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• 2034[21:28:58] <choice> I have no idea either.
• 2035[21:29:11] <choice> I did not install anything.
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• 2037[21:29:35] <choice> Just plugged in a stick with "firmware-iwlwifi_20161130-3_all.deb" that I got from replaced-url
• 2038[21:29:41] <LtL> choice: this may help. replaced-url
• 2039[21:29:51] <Sir_Designer> choice. youare obviously involved in massive need to educate yourself on htings wifi nder debian. wep is so 20th century. you are to use wpa2 personal/enterprise
• 2040[21:29:53] <choice> Strange that it sees the access point and then fails.
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• 2044[21:31:20] <choice> Sir_Designer: Tried wpa/wpa2 again. It failed again at "Attempting to exchange keys with the access point".
• 2045[21:31:45] <Sir_Designer> download ndiswrapper already and quit yer fussing.
• 2046[21:32:07] <choice> I think it's not the year of debian on the desktop yet.
• 2047[21:32:39] <Sir_Designer> it's definitely not the year of using debian brainlessly on the destop to be sure. good luck. no more from me.
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• 2049[21:33:23] <whislock> choice: Given that you don't know if your own network is WEP or WPA, I'd probably stop to figure out basic wifi concepts before blaming the OS.
• 2050[21:34:19] <choice> whislock: I'm not blaming. I just don't know how to progress with Debian from here.
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• 2052[21:35:09] <choice> It asked me to provide certain iwlwifi... files. I did my best to get them. Now I don't know what else to do.
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• 2054[21:35:18] <LtL> choice: you have wifi, now configure it
• 2055[21:35:51] <choice> Maybe I got the password wrong...
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• 2060[21:37:32] <choice> But I don't think so.
• 2061[21:37:40] <choice> Oh!
• 2062[21:37:45] <choice> I got it workin!
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• 2064[21:37:56] <choice> I tried the pw for the admin account.
• 2065[21:38:06] <choice> But the wifi pw is different.
• 2066[21:38:34] <Ouroboros> does 'ifdown -a' bring down lo, and if so can that break anything?
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• 2069[21:39:19] <diverdude> hi, how do i install qt from repo so that i can run programs which are dependent on qt?
• 2070[21:39:21] <Ouroboros> (i know that lo is specially configured regardless of what is in /e/n/i)
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• 2080[21:45:42] <Ouroboros> diverdude: 'apt-cache search qt' then 'apt-get install <whichever package>'
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• 2082[21:46:03] <diverdude> Ouroboros: yes but which package has qt binaries
• 2083[21:46:15] <somiaj> diverdude: usually you instal the app you want from the repo and it pulls in what it needs. If you have some random app that depends on qt, you need to ensure debian provides the right version of the libaries
• 2084[21:47:28] <Ouroboros> diverdude: 'apt-file search <whichever file>'
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• 2096[21:51:01] <diverdude> ok it seems that qt has to be downloaded from qt website, but they provide a .run file : qt-unified-linux-x86-2.0.5-2-online.run How do i run such a file?
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• 2098[21:51:38] <annadane> no, you shouldn't download it, stretch probably has what you want
• 2099[21:51:51] <diverdude> annadane: me?
• 2100[21:51:54] <annadane> yes
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• 2103[21:52:14] <diverdude> annadane: but i cannot find the qt binaries in the repo
• 2104[21:53:04] <diverdude> annadane: do you know what to install?
• 2105[21:53:19] <annadane> someone actually asked about this on OFTC before and answered their own question "ok, i _think_ i figured it out. qtbase5-dev is the "base" package i need, and then i install suggested and recommended as required from there on"
• 2106[21:53:20] <somiaj> diverdude: qt is libaries, not binaries. What app are you trying to install and why not get something from inside the debian repo.
• 2107[21:53:41] <annadane> but dev is obviously dev package
• 2108[21:53:55] <annadane> but yeah, anything you need that depends on qt will pull in qt if it's a dependency
• 2109[21:54:02] <annadane> or in Recommends
• 2110[21:54:35] <diverdude> annadane: these binaries: replaced-url
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• 2112[21:56:16] <somiaj> what binaries, there are various things on that page. Did you read the instructions from this third party about what is actually required.
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• 2115[21:56:57] <somiaj> there should be some install instructions, if not maybe contact their support to see what qt libaries you ened specifically.
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• 2118[21:57:48] <diverdude> This one: replaced-url
• 2119[21:57:51] <diverdude> "If you want to have a graphical environment by using tools like the IDS Camera Manager or the uEye Demo application, you need to install the Qt framework (min. v4.5.2)"
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• 2124[21:59:07] <diverdude> and this is why my question is "How on earth do i install QT?"
• 2125[21:59:20] <choice> The wifi drivers I provided during the installation, will they be updated by apt-get update / apt-get upgrade or will they be stalled forever?
• 2126[21:59:43] <somiaj> choice: what do you mean by provided? And do you mean firmware (not drivers)?
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• 2130[22:00:19] <choice> somiaj: During installation Debian said no wifi because some iwififiwifiwi files are missing and that I can provide them on a stick.
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• 2132[22:00:28] <diverdude> anyone?
• 2133[22:00:45] <choice> somiaj: So I searched for them on debian.org and put the deb file with them on a stick and plugged that one into the computer I was installing debian on.
• 2134[22:00:46] <somiaj> choice: that is just firmware, did you provided it during the install, or do you want to install them now after the install?
• 2135[22:01:02] <choice> somiaj: Debian then was happy and wifi worked.
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• 2137[22:01:13] <somiaj> choice: in that case they should still be there, dpkg -l | grep firmware-iwlwifi, if not you can just install the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free
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• 2139[22:01:35] <choice> somiaj: Now I wonder if they will be constantly updated like all other software. I guess not because they were not installed from a repo.
• 2140[22:01:44] <somiaj> diverdude: there isn't just a single qt package that I know of, qt is a very large set of libaries, you may want to track down better info.
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• 2142[22:01:55] <somiaj> choice: install the firmware-iwlwifi package and they will be
• 2143[22:02:08] <choice> somiaj: Ok. I will do that when the installation finished.
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• 2145[22:03:19] <somiaj> diverdude: but you were given one answer, qtbase5-dev (provided that will work with qt5)
• 2146[22:03:53] <Ouroboros> diverdude: or just run the program, see what library it wants when it fails, install that
• 2147[22:04:02] <Ouroboros> or during compilation, whichever
• 2148[22:04:05] <somiaj> diverdude: that will of course install awy more than you problably need, so it would be better to actually nkow what qt libaries that piece of software uses.
• 2149[22:04:45] <diverdude> apt-file search libQtNetwork.so.4 does not work
• 2150[22:04:53] <diverdude> it says command not found
• 2151[22:04:58] <somiaj> well then isntall apt-file
• 2152[22:05:32] <Ouroboros> 'apt-file search apt-file' :P
• 2153[22:05:42] <diverdude> haha
• 2154[22:05:43] <diverdude> :D
• 2155[22:05:54] <diverdude> good humor - i like it
• 2156[22:06:15] <Ouroboros> there is a solution for everything :P
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• 2158[22:06:34] <annadane> there may also just be qtbase5 by itself
• 2159[22:06:50] <annadane> but yeah as somiaj said qt is a large number of packages...
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• 2163[22:07:57] <diverdude> hmmmm i get this from apt-file searach: replaced-url
• 2164[22:08:15] <mahafyi> hello, i installed gnome debian 9 stable, and thereafter installed and removed lxde. i now use xfce with gdm3, so just make the choice at the login screen. I have two issues however, 'Lock Screen' does not come back on whatever i try in keyboard and mouse and i have to use power button. This is not problem if i use gnome.
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• 2166[22:09:13] <somiaj> diverdude: apt-file only lists the packages that contain that file, now you know what package to install (it may or may not be installed already)
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• 2169[22:09:53] <diverdude> somiaj: ahhh libqt4-network?
• 2170[22:09:58] <annadane> you are using debian and not ubuntu, right?
• 2171[22:10:21] <diverdude> annadane: yes, its debian
• 2172[22:10:41] <diverdude> a bit outdated version of debian
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• 2174[22:10:54] <annadane> er... which version?
• 2175[22:11:12] <somiaj> libqt4-network is in stretch
• 2176[22:11:48] <diverdude> ahhhh yes it works now :)
• 2177[22:11:51] <diverdude> thaaaanks mates
• 2178[22:11:58] <annadane> !next
• 2179[22:11:59] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 2180[22:12:12] <choice> Ok, the installation finished. But now I dont have internet.
• 2181[22:12:16] <choice> How do I activate it?
• 2182[22:12:46] <somiaj> choice: first run 'ip a' -- do you see your wireless card there, or do you need to install the firmware still?
• 2183[22:13:06] <choice> somiaj: I see it.
• 2184[22:13:16] <somiaj> do you have a desktop installed?
• 2185[22:13:34] <choice> somiaj: No
• 2186[22:14:01] <somiaj> choice: you can configure your network in /etc/network/interfaces, the wiki has instructions for this
• 2187[22:14:13] <somiaj> I'm surprised the isntaller didn't just put the info there already, check that file
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• 2191[22:15:09] <annadane> diverdude, anyway, general principle is you shouldn't install packages from the internet, stick to the repository as much as possible (and don't mix in testing/sid packages with your debian stable)
• 2192[22:15:12] <choice> somiaj: Nothing about wifi in there. It sources /etc/network/interfaces.d/* though.
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• 2194[22:15:25] <annadane> (there are exceptions as with anything, but...)
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• 2196[22:15:36] <choice> Which is empty though.
• 2197[22:15:40] <somiaj> choice: you could see if there is a file in /etc/network/interfaces.d, but okay
• 2198[22:15:49] <somiaj> choice: anyways, there are various ways to go about this, one is just put the info there
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• 2200[22:17:21] <choice> What info?
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• 2202[22:18:26] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2203[22:18:38] <somiaj> replace wlan0 with the actual name of the interface (it is different with predicitable interfaces)
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• 2207[22:19:19] <somiaj> after you edit that file, then ifup wlan0 (with proper name). Also that file is readable by anyone, you may want to chmod 600 it, or use another emthod, such as wpa_supplicant for this
• 2208[22:19:22] <choice> Ok.. let me try that.
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• 2216[22:23:28] <choice> "No DHCPOFFERS received"
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• 2219[22:23:37] <choice> Looks like it somehow did not work.
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• 2224[22:24:42] <somiaj> choice: dpkg -l | grep firmware (check that the firmware was loaded for iwlwifi)
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• 2226[22:25:13] <choice> somiaj: It outputs some iwlwifi thing.
• 2227[22:25:21] <somiaj> but does it say if the firmware was loaded or not?
• 2228[22:25:38] <choice> somiaj: I don't see the word "loaded".
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• 2231[22:25:49] <somiaj> well usually it says failed if it didn't work
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• 2236[22:25:59] <choice> somiaj: I don't see the word "failed".
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• 2239[22:27:26] <somiaj> you could try wpasupllicant, check out /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ there are some README's and example configs there
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• 2241[22:28:09] <mosomedve> hi
• 2242[22:28:57] <choice> somiaj: I think I will just install Mint.
• 2243[22:29:54] <somiaj> your choice, I don't know why that didn't work, but I use wpasupplicant myself to configure my intel wifi
• 2244[22:30:00] <mosomedve> is here anybody with an advanced acpi knowledge?
• 2245[22:30:21] <annadane> mosomedve, best just ask your question
• 2246[22:30:23] <annadane> !anyone
• 2247[22:30:23] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 2250[22:32:01] <choice> somiaj: Ha! I had a typo in the ssid name!
• 2251[22:32:13] <choice> I got internet now!
• 2252[22:32:17] <annadane> \o/
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• 2254[22:32:26] <choice> Now lets install Mate...
• 2255[22:32:33] <annadane> /o\
• 2256[22:32:39] <annadane> oh mate
• 2257[22:32:42] <annadane> misread as mint
• 2258[22:32:56] <annadane> it's mid-afternoon, i have no excuses
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• 2260[22:33:19] <choice> annadane: I downloaded Mint too. Just in case I don't get Debian working.
• 2261[22:33:46] <choice> But right now I did 'apt-get install mate-desktop-environment' on my Debian install.
• 2262[22:33:58] <annadane> it's decent
• 2263[22:34:03] <choice> I have the feeling it will work :)
• 2264[22:34:26] <choice> Frickin 1.2GB ... does it come with Office and all that stuff?
• 2265[22:34:41] <annadane> you can apt show mate-desktop-environment to see what it comes with
• 2266[22:34:51] * choice somehow has the feeling he should have researched if there is some kind of light-version of mate.
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• 2268[22:35:19] <annadane> there is, it's in the wiki
• 2269[22:35:20] <choice> But now it's installing already :)
• 2270[22:35:25] <annadane> i think it's mate-desktop-environment-core
• 2271[22:35:39] <choice> Well, its getting files... I guess I can still CTRL+C it?
• 2272[22:35:41] <mosomedve> sorry, so I'have bought a new Acer notebook and the kernel 4.15-17 doesn't load on it without noacpi parameter. It's okay with noacpi but it produces more heat than on Win10, do you know any workaround solution for this without patching the kernel?
• 2273[22:35:53] <annadane> nah, best to just let it install
• 2274[22:36:02] * choice CTRL+c ed it :)
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• 2276[22:36:24] <choice> Now going for mate-desktop-environment-core.
• 2277[22:36:36] <choice> Still over 800 MB ...
• 2278[22:36:51] <choice> Is there mate-desktop-environment-core-core?
• 2279[22:37:06] <choice> What do developers do with all that memory these days?
• 2280[22:37:08] <annadane> the window manager for it is marco, i guess one could apt install marco, though i've never done that
• 2281[22:37:24] <choice> 64kb ought to be enough for everything.
• 2282[22:40:03] <choice> What if "flush" is not installed? Install it? Or is there something similar?
• 2283[22:40:27] <annadane> no idea
• 2284[22:41:32] <somiaj> choice: if you don't want a full DE use a windowmanager and then install the softawre you actually use.
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• 2286[22:42:09] <choice> somiaj: What window manager does Mate use?
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• 2289[22:42:27] <choice> somiaj: The machine is already installing Mate, so I'd better not interrupt it now.
• 2290[22:42:31] <annadane> i said, it's marco
• 2291[22:42:46] <somiaj> choice: not sure, but debian proivdes many window managers to choose from.
• 2292[22:42:46] <choice> Ok
• 2293[22:43:02] <choice> I'm going with mate-desktop-environment-core now.
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• 2296[22:44:12] <somiaj> mate is basically gnome2, so if you wanted a smaller DE, lxde is about as small as you can get, xfce isnt' to big either.
• 2297[22:45:33] <choice> Do they have a taskbar at the bottom?
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• 2300[22:45:48] <somiaj> xfce you can put it wherever you want, lxde ahs bottom at start
• 2301[22:45:50] <somiaj> xfce at top
• 2302[22:45:55] <somiaj> lots of choice and things are configurable
• 2303[22:47:15] <choice> I rebooted but Mate did not start.
• 2304[22:47:17] <choice> What do I do now?
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• 2306[22:47:30] <somiaj> surprised a de didn't get installed
• 2307[22:47:34] <somiaj> can you just run 'startx'
• 2308[22:47:37] <mahafyi> xfce is superb! i am using it for first time. but to repeat, i am not able to wake from kb/mouse on 'Lock Screen'. Also, IDK how to get the tap on touchpad to work.
• 2309[22:47:51] <mosomedve> xfce is the best if not used with hdpi display
• 2310[22:48:03] <annadane> choice, apt install xinit
• 2311[22:48:12] <annadane> if startx doesn't work
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• 2313[22:48:46] <annadane> or install something like lightdm but seeing as how you don't like cruft/large space required of packages ...
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• 2317[22:49:11] <choice> starx results in "startx: command not found".
• 2318[22:49:21] <annadane> even after installing xinit?
• 2319[22:49:36] <choice> before
• 2320[22:49:50] <annadane> if you're going to install xinit though do log out of root before you startx
• 2321[22:49:51] <somiaj> that is strange, I'm surprised the mate core metapckage didn't pull all that stuff in
• 2322[22:49:55] <annadane> no, it doesn't
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• 2324[22:50:24] <choice> xinit is another 30MB.
• 2325[22:50:26] <somiaj> so mate core doens't pull in enough stuff to run the DE? might just want to install the full metapackage then
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• 2327[22:50:31] <choice> I really wonder how you can fill 30MB with code.
• 2328[22:50:35] <choice> It seems pretty impossible.
• 2329[22:50:42] <annadane> even mate-desktop-environment proper doesn't
• 2330[22:50:48] <annadane> i don't know about mate-desktop-environment-extras
• 2331[22:50:55] <annadane> and no, it does run the DE
• 2332[22:51:05] <somiaj> choice: the linux kernel is way over that in code
• 2333[22:51:06] <annadane> it just doesn't enable you to use startx immediately
• 2334[22:51:42] <somiaj> annadane: ahh, I dno't use mate, but woudln't you need xinit to run a display manager, or does one need to install the full task?
• 2335[22:51:45] <annadane> are you really starved for space?
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• 2337[22:52:03] <choice> Not at all. Im just curious.
• 2338[22:52:08] <annadane> well the task would pull in lightdm i think
• 2339[22:52:13] <choice> Ok, so after installinx xinit, startx worked.
• 2340[22:52:14] <annadane> if you installed task-mate-desktop
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• 2342[22:52:28] <choice> How do I make it so that it starts right after booting?
• 2343[22:52:31] <annadane> and lightdm depends on xorg which probably also depends on xinit
• 2344[22:52:35] <somiaj> choice: the linux kernel source code is about 1GB, so 30MB is fairly quick to eat up these days.
• 2345[22:52:43] <annadane> choice, install a display manager, like lightdm
• 2346[22:52:44] <somiaj> choice: install a display manager
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• 2348[22:53:12] <choice> somiaj: But I did not install source code. I installed something binary I think.
• 2349[22:53:13] <somiaj> seems the git archive of linux is like 7GB.
• 2350[22:53:31] <choice> somiaj: Also, I did not install Linux but xinit. Some thing that starts another thing.
• 2351[22:53:40] <somiaj> choice: sure, but you said it seemed fairly impossible to fill 30MB with code, and it isn't at all.
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• 2354[22:54:04] <choice> somiaj: Well, it also seems fairly impossible to go to the moon. Yet it has been done.
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• 2357[22:54:32] <choice> So I should do "apt install lightdm"?
• 2358[22:54:46] <somiaj> that is the common choice of light display managers tehse days, and sounds like you want one, so yes.
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• 2361[22:55:16] <annadane> realistically if you want it to "start automatically" fully you can configure it to start without a password but that's kind of a security precaution i'd rather not do without
• 2362[22:55:25] <choice> Its strange that I need a 'manager' just to do 'startx' for me on startup.
• 2363[22:55:42] <choice> Can't I just put 'startx' in some init script?
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• 2365[22:55:48] <annadane> see my post above
• 2366[22:56:02] <choice> I don't care about security on that level.
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• 2368[22:56:12] <annadane> that, i don't have experience with
• 2369[22:56:19] <annadane> so i don't know, maybe someone does
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• 2372[22:56:42] <choice> I installed Debian into an encrypted partition. When it runs, it runs. No security from then on :)
• 2373[22:56:47] <somiaj> choice: sure install nodm, it will do that for you
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• 2377[22:57:06] <choice> somiaj: Why not just put 'startx' in some script?
• 2378[22:57:09] <somiaj> I use just startx and a minimial window manager myself
• 2379[22:57:22] <somiaj> the script also needs to log you in and do some other stuff, nodm deals with this
• 2380[22:57:35] <somiaj> Installed-Size: 120 kB -- it is a small package
• 2381[22:57:47] <choice> Haha 120000 bytes to type 'startx' :)
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• 2383[22:57:56] <somiaj> it does more than that
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• 2386[22:58:15] <annadane> you're not asking about startx, you're talking about logging in without a password
• 2387[22:58:18] <somiaj> if you care about space don't use a DE, but things take up space
• 2388[22:58:27] <somiaj> or look up how to do this yourself, it is possible
• 2389[22:58:28] <ikanobori> you can just put startx in your bash profile
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• 2391[22:58:35] <ikanobori> preferably with a check if you have a DISPLAY set
• 2392[22:58:48] <somiaj> though that won't work on boot, just once you login
• 2393[22:58:49] <ikanobori> but you're going to have to type a bit more than startx (you'll probably want to write your .xinitrc as well)
• 2394[22:58:56] <ikanobori> no, just when you login
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• 2396[22:59:04] <annadane> lightdm doesn't even really save you time, they both "startx"
• 2397[22:59:11] <choice> Ok, installing nodm. 120000 bytes to log in a user and startx :)
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• 2399[22:59:23] <ikanobori> but you can turn on autologin if you're so inclined
• 2400[22:59:25] <annadane> though lightdm does enable selection between different desktops/wm's
• 2401[22:59:46] <somiaj> choice: all debian packages contain other stuff besides just the thing that does what you want, there are docs, changelogs, readme, this all takes up space.
• 2402[23:00:07] <choice> somiaj: I see.
• 2403[23:00:09] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2404[23:00:15] <choice> How do I tell nodm which user to log in?
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• 2407[23:00:28] <annadane> have you tried looking at the man page?
• 2408[23:00:29] <somiaj> read the docs in /usr/share/doc/nodm/README
• 2409[23:00:34] <annadane> or that
• 2410[23:00:35] <somiaj> read the docs in /usr/share/doc/nodm 00
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• 2412[23:01:27] <choice> 00?
• 2413[23:01:47] <somiaj> typo, I meant to say read the various files in that directory
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• 2416[23:03:09] <choice> They talk about environment variables, preseeding, debconf...
• 2417[23:03:59] <choice> I can't make sense out of it.
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• 2419[23:05:04] <choice> Let's see what happens when I restart...
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• 2421[23:05:33] <Ouroboros> so can temporarily bringing down lo cause any major issues?
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• 2423[23:05:41] <ikanobori> yes
• 2424[23:06:20] <ikanobori> well major as in your system might become unstable for a bit
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• 2426[23:06:28] <choice> Ha, it started Mate! Started it as root though.
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• 2428[23:06:49] <Ouroboros> that's not so major :P
• 2429[23:06:59] <choice> I guess they have read replaced-url
• 2430[23:07:40] <annadane> yeah, don't start mate as root
• 2431[23:07:58] <choice> annadane: I did not start it. nodm did.
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• 2434[23:08:33] <Ouroboros> ikanobori: i need to test 'ifdown -a' and 'ifup -a', but i do not see a clean way to make them leave alone lo
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• 2437[23:09:52] <Ouroboros> perhaps commenting out lo in /e/n/i and using --no-loopback, but i am unclear about how it all works
• 2438[23:10:08] <ikanobori> Ouroboros: ifdown -a won't turn off your loopback device
• 2439[23:10:11] <somiaj> Ouroboros: dropping lo won't matter if you quickly get it back up.
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• 2441[23:10:25] <ikanobori> or does it? mrm
• 2442[23:10:30] <somiaj> Ouroboros: so if it does drop it, ifup lo, but as ikanobori said, it might not bring it down.
• 2443[23:10:35] <Ouroboros> ikanobori: i am not sure, lo has some special handling
• 2444[23:10:37] <ikanobori> seems like it does :)
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• 2446[23:10:42] <ikanobori> (i just tested it)
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• 2449[23:11:07] <somiaj> Ouroboros: it is more lo = 127.0.0.1 and there are various things that use that, but if it is down it won't break things permtantally, just bring it back up
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• 2452[23:11:25] <ikanobori> yep, there might be some dbus stuff listening on it for your systemd or such
• 2453[23:11:33] <ikanobori> or other daemons
• 2454[23:11:39] <Ouroboros> what systemd :P
• 2455[23:11:55] <somiaj> Ouroboros: what is your overall goal, why are you needing to run ifdown -a
• 2456[23:11:57] <FinalX> which will probably exit with an error if you bring lo down which takes 127.0.0.1 and ::1 down with it
• 2457[23:12:03] <FinalX> lo is not supposed to be brought down :p
• 2458[23:12:10] <choice> Ha, there is /etc/default/nodm that contains some settings!
• 2459[23:12:19] <Ouroboros> somiaj: just testing my /e/n/i
• 2460[23:12:32] <somiaj> Ouroboros: so why ifdown -a, and not ifdown interface name
• 2461[23:12:46] <FinalX> though honestly, systemd itself concerned: it's mostly systemd-resolved
• 2462[23:12:46] <somiaj> you can test these per inteface, dn't have to do them all
• 2463[23:12:53] <FinalX> dbus is a socket iirc
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• 2465[23:13:11] <Ouroboros> somiaj: because i need to check whether 'ifdown -a' applies to the specific interface
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• 2469[23:13:31] <donkey_boy> hi everyone!
• 2470[23:13:34] <ikanobori> Ouroboros: It's probably easier to determine that by listing all the 'auto' interfaces, which is the same that ifdown/up do.
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• 2472[23:13:43] <donkey_boy> is racism allowed on this channel?
• 2473[23:13:47] <Ouroboros> somiaj: or it may work differently for '-a' vs for specific interface, there have been some changes to this
• 2474[23:14:17] <choice> donkey_boy: !ask
• 2475[23:14:33] <somiaj> Ouroboros: -a : If given to ifdown, affect all defined interfaces. I don't see what you need to test, it just brings them all down, and you can test them indvidually
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• 2478[23:15:12] <Ouroboros> somiaj: i am unclear about exactly what it does for interfaces marked as both 'auto' and 'manual'
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• 2481[23:15:36] <somiaj> Ouroboros: auto and manual are different. And it brings down 'all defined interfaces' that is fairly clear
• 2482[23:16:04] <choice> Ok, thanks everybody! Debian 9 is running with Mate as a normal user and it has internet and all is fine!
• 2483[23:16:11] <somiaj> donkey_boy: replaced-url
• 2484[23:16:12] <Ouroboros> i don't think it is clear at all :P
• 2485[23:16:17] <choice> Now I can go to sleep :)
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• 2487[23:16:31] <somiaj> Ouroboros: what about all defined interfaces (in the itnerfaces) file is not clear.
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• 2490[23:17:51] <Ouroboros> somiaj: because it possibly does something special for 'manual' interfaces, and this has changed several times and is poorly documented
• 2491[23:18:03] <Ouroboros> anyway, i am just going to try it
• 2492[23:18:04] <somiaj> Ouroboros: what is a manual interface?
• 2493[23:18:27] <Ouroboros> somiaj: e.g. auto eth0; iface eth0 inet manual
• 2494[23:18:46] <donkey_boy> burn all jews in oven
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• 2496[23:18:48] <donkey_boy> death to infidels
• 2497[23:18:50] <somiaj> Ouroboros: yea auto and manual are not the relatable thigns. And in this case, it is a defined inteface
• 2498[23:18:50] <donkey_boy> sieg heil
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• 2505[23:19:18] <somiaj> Ouroboros: if it doesn't bring down a manual inteface (which it should) report a bug to clarify the man page
• 2506[23:21:17] <Ouroboros> somiaj: yes, but there are more details about e.g. whether it will set link down, this was all discussed in several bugs, but i am unclear as to what the outcome was
• 2507[23:21:44] <lembron> hi, is there any degration-on-purpose on jessie-APT mirrors or so :D ? - the exact same buildscript takes 35 minutes on jessie - and 4 minutes on stretch -- while pretty much installing all the same packages --- those times are repeatable too, both using replaced-url
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• 2509[23:21:58] <somiaj> Ouroboros: the -a flag has little to do with this on my understanding. ifdown interfacename should also have those same issues.
• 2510[23:22:25] <Ouroboros> somiaj: yeah, that is the part which is unclear
• 2511[23:22:27] <lembron> gone over it step by step to, and its just "generally slower" :/
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• 2513[23:22:45] <Ouroboros> because 'ifdown eth0' does in fact set link down
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• 2515[23:23:06] <somiaj> Ouroboros: I dn't see how it is unclear, all -a does is bring down the intrafaces one at a time in the order they are listed, while ifdown foo brings down a specificed interface.
• 2516[23:23:25] <somiaj> but try it, you wno't do any permant harm bringing down lo
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• 2519[23:24:03] <somiaj> lembron: deb.debian.org is just a redirector, it could be redirecting you to different mirrors.
• 2520[23:24:15] <Ouroboros> somiaj: (actually, it brings down only the interfaces that are up and in the order that they are in the state file not in /e/n/i, according to the manpage)
• 2521[23:24:20] <somiaj> lembron: On my one jessie vm, I haven't noticed any difference.
• 2522[23:24:29] <Ouroboros> deb.debian.org is a cdn, i believe
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• 2524[23:25:37] <Ouroboros> perhaps there are fewer jessie mirrors there?
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• 2526[23:26:06] <somiaj> might be that not everyone wants to mirror lts, but it could be just some coicidence
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• 2528[23:26:18] <somiaj> lembron: maybe try a specific mirror isntead of the redirector
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• 2530[23:27:16] <Ouroboros> but isn't the mirror selected by dns before the repo is ever specified? or does this cdn work differently
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• 2532[23:27:51] <somiaj> Ouroboros: this is not a roundrobbin like the old one, it will figure out what it thinks the best mirror is for the setup
• 2533[23:27:54] <somiaj> !deb.debian.org
• 2534[23:27:55] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
• 2535[23:28:26] <Ouroboros> ok, much more complex
• 2536[23:28:43] <somiaj> though it could be that jessie's apt (as in that factoid) gets a different reidrect
• 2537[23:28:50] <somiaj> since it doesn't support the SRV records
• 2538[23:29:20] <somiaj> so the newer features are only avaiable to stretch onward, which could partly explain a difference in jessie
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• 2540[23:29:59] <lembron> can i output "what is used" anyhow? - and looking over my apt-calls, im not getting over 200kB/s it seems
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• 2542[23:30:39] <lembron> stretch meanwhile not one call under 1k kB/s, most 5k+ if its more than a MB total
• 2543[23:30:47] <Ouroboros> else you can just use the old style mirrors like ftp.*.debian.org
• 2544[23:30:51] <somiaj> again, on the jessie machine, try a specific mirror
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• 2567[23:44:49] <lembron> hm the mentioned workaround of using replaced-url
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• 2575[23:46:37] <jsync> Hello. I'm learning bash & I think I ran into a dead end. I'm curious, what sort of programming language could allow me to open a screen session, enter particular commands, & when the affected software was affected, close the screen session & then return to my bash bundle of scripts?
• 2576[23:47:33] <jsync> I want to make a text based ui for a server software.
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• 2578[23:48:29] <jsync> I'd like to give that ui & graphic front eventually, though I want to learn bash & become more familiar with my debian system.
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• 2580[23:50:49] <lembron> are we talking of screen session as in /usr/bin/screen? or as in DISPLAY0? ;D jsync - and general meta with bash is "not more than 100lines", bash is scripting, not programming (*tbd)
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• 2588[23:53:44] <friend_of_candy> hi
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• 2598[23:59:25] <wr> anything better than remmina on debian?
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