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22[12:45:25] <otisolsen70> I just read on replaced-url
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25[12:49:03] <frostschutz> otisolsen70, it's supposed to be safe, yes. but of course, it will affect the rebuild speed. read-only is for data recovery situation. a regular rebuild is not a data recovery situation (yet). it's normal for servers to keep running while background raid rebuild goes on
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32[12:55:45] <hansh> the debian10 installer installs sudo, but doesn't add the default user to sudoers?
33[12:55:52] <hansh> is that a bug or intended behaviour?
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35[12:59:20] <RoyK> iirc it doesn't install sudo at ll
36[12:59:30] <RoyK> *all*
37[12:59:34] <jmcnaught> hansh: in my experience sudo is only installed (and user is only added to sudo group) if no root password is set during installation. I always have to install sudo after if I want it.
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40[13:00:43] <hansh> i just installed a debian10.5 VM using debian-10.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso , the password IS set (the password is literally "open", but it's still a password), and sudo was installed, but the default user wasn't added
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42[13:01:35] <RoyK> strange - I installed a VM from the same iso just two days ago and it didn't come with sudo
43[13:02:13] <hansh> did you unselect "debian desktop environment" ?
44[13:02:30] <RoyK> yes, it's a server
45[13:02:36] <Mathisen> anyway it is default to not add user in sudoers file
46[13:02:49] <hansh> guess "debian desktop environment" is responsible for adding sudo then
47[13:03:15] <RoyK> I just roll that out with ansible later
48[13:04:30] <RoyK> allowing root login with an ssh key that ansible uses for first time setup. the install is a baseline debian install cloned up to new VMs. the rest is done in ansible
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53[13:06:49] <hansh> a brand new debian system, i want wine5 stable on it, i followed the directions here replaced-url
54[13:07:11] <otisolsen70> frostschutz, phew. Thanks for clearing that up :-)
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56[13:07:27] <hansh> on the final step, sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable; it says: The following packages have unmet dependencies: winehq-stable : Depends: wine-stable (= 5.0.1~buster)
57[13:07:34] <RoyK> ,v wine
58[13:07:35] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; bullseye: 5.0-4; sid: 5.0-4
59[13:07:39] <otisolsen70> frostschutz, suddenly I got worried that the rebuild I did yesterday might had corrupted something...
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62[13:15:25] <jmcnaught> hansh: what does "apt policy wine-stable" say? (replaced-url
63[13:16:45] <hansh> on an unrelated note, seems the default pastebinit configuration is broken on debian10 replaced-url
64[13:17:12] <hansh> replaced-url
65[13:17:17] <hansh> jmcnaught, ^
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67[13:20:09] <jmcnaught> hansh: seems like the package it's complaining about is available, maybe if you made a paste of the command that gives you the error and complete output would help.
68[13:21:16] <hansh> replaced-url
69[13:21:29] <frostschutz> otisolsen70, the raid kernel wiki is not written by md(adm) devs, consider it third party and take with grain of salt
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82[13:30:09] <RoyK> otisolsen70: erm - that about not using a raid while resyncing is utter bullshit. It's made for it.
83[13:30:38] <otisolsen70> RoyK, thats what I thought. But just got a little worried reading this on a kernel.org site....
84[13:30:52] <otisolsen70> frostschutz, got it
85[13:31:50] <RoyK> otisolsen70: I've used md for two decades and I haven't had an issue with using a degraded raid yet, during resync or not
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87[13:33:01] <otisolsen70> RoyK, perfect. Thanks for info.
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89[13:33:25] <RoyK> reminds me of a former colleague that insisted on using a ESD strap whenever replacing a hotplug disk, because Dell said so
90[13:33:54] <hansh> otisolsen70, but replaced-url
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95[13:38:28] <hansh> (also there's an active btrfs community over at #btrfs )
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100[13:39:19] <RoyK> hansh: wasn't the question about md?
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103[13:42:18] <hansh> RoyK, i guess it was (honestly i joined too late to tell: replaced-url
104[13:42:49] <RoyK> hansh: is btrfs stable yet? :)
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106[13:43:23] <hansh> hehe, no. raid5/6 is dodgy, raid0/1/10 is stable, deduplication is stable, compression is stable
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109[13:44:24] <RoyK> hansh: heh - I started looking into btrfs some 10 years ago, looking for something like zfs for linux - I'm still waiting…
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111[13:46:47] <hansh> (on that note, i have high hopes for bcacheFS, which is intended to have comparable features to ZFS, too early to tell though)
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120[13:52:31] <RoyK> hansh: looks like it's OOB dedup, which is a relief after having tried IB dedup with zfs ;)
121[13:52:58] <hansh> what, did zfs eat all your ram?
122[13:53:16] <RoyK> the whole datacentre worth of ram, so to say
123[13:53:26] <hansh> hahah ok
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126[13:55:00] <RoyK> I spoke to this guy on #zfs or something (perhaps #openindiana back then) that told me he had it working well for vm image storage, some 20TB pool and don't remember, but 256 or 512GB of RAM, which was a wee bit crazier ten years ago than it is today
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215[16:02:16] <Repox> Hello. Can someone please help me understand and fix the issue here? I can't start redis-server as a service. The error message is here: replaced-url
216[16:02:30] <Repox> I'm on Debian 10, upgraded from 9.
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225[16:10:55] <nkuttler> Repox: please use paste.debian.net
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228[16:12:50] <Repox> Alrigt. Servicefile is here: replaced-url
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232[16:15:32] <nkuttler> Repox: did you install the maintainer version of the config file during the upgrade?
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234[16:15:56] <Repox> Well, I did nothing else than just "apt-get install redis-server"
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237[16:17:47] <nkuttler> NO_NEW_PRIVILEGES seems to be a systemd configuration
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258[16:33:22] <Repox> @nkuttler What's the solution to avoid this error? I've googled like an insane, and I found no solution.
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267[16:41:56] <generic> running debian on a very old machine 1gig of ram looking for a browser .. any ideas ?
268[16:42:13] <NetTerminalGene> generic: netsurf
269[16:42:23] <NetTerminalGene> lynx
270[16:42:31] <generic> tried falkon
271[16:42:44] <generic> but it needs opengl texturing :(
272[16:42:52] <ndegruchy> Emacs EWW
273[16:43:08] <tomreyn> you could use browsh to have the conetent rendered elsewhere
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275[16:43:17] <generic> even midori didnt work
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277[16:43:36] <ndegruchy> Firefox isn’t bad with one or two tabs
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279[16:44:18] <generic> firefox ist too memory hungry ...
280[16:44:25] <diogenes_> generic, palemoon.
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282[16:44:53] <tomreyn> or add more ram, or replace hardware
283[16:45:39] <generic> netsurf no longer in buster ?
284[16:46:10] <generic> tomreyn just to browse the net ? no way
285[16:46:25] <generic> rather go lynx
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287[16:46:56] <David77> hello. i would like to advance from jessie to stretch an old pc but the script on replaced-url
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313[17:03:28] <EdePopede> !botlist
314[17:03:39] <EdePopede> ,v pysimplegui
315[17:03:40] <judd> No package named 'pysimplegui' was found in amd64.
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325[17:17:03] <Quick_Wango> A system of mine dropped into grub rescue on reboot
326[17:17:21] <Quick_Wango> cannot find symbol grub_calloc
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330[17:18:21] <Quick_Wango> what is the best way to get into a debian rescue environment to reinstall grub ?
331[17:19:10] <annadane> what packages in debian have zsh extensions?
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335[17:24:53] <David77> annadane: zsh Shell Script? if yes replaced-url
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337[17:25:24] <annadane> extensions
338[17:25:38] <annadane> i'm sure i can look up the notable ones on github or something though
339[17:25:52] <annadane> just wondered if it was like emacs which has a bunch of elpa- stuff
340[17:27:18] <David77> Quick_Wango: it's a bug? replaced-url
341[17:27:19] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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343[17:28:04] <Quick_Wango> David77: another identical system was not affected so I assumed the boot loader config was corrupted somehow
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347[17:31:38] <David77> annadane: like this? replaced-url
348[17:32:01] <annadane> for instance, yes
349[17:32:08] <annadane> but just in general
350[17:32:29] <annadane> i know i can probably compile stuff off github, just wondered if some packages were in debian already
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359[17:40:24] <David77> annedane i think is a script for zsh Shell Script: .z + sh(shell) = .zsh
360[17:40:40] <annadane> yes, i know
361[17:40:43] <annadane> never mind
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365[17:42:16] <hansh> in debian 10.5, service autocomplete is broken
366[17:42:17] <David77> it's only a text file with a script for package replaced-url
367[17:42:35] <hansh> for example if you have lightdm installed, and you write `service light<tab>` it has nothing to suggest
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369[17:42:49] <hansh> (works in Ubuntu 18.04 though)
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375[17:44:54] <David77> Quick_Wango: look link of bug, there's some solution. 'identical system' exactly identical (model if notebook, cpu ram etc)?
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377[17:45:39] <brokencycle> Hi! I am having trouble with my optimus graphics again. I followed the wiki and installed the nvidia drivers from backport (almost all 440.200-2~bpo10+1), but no luck.
378[17:46:31] <Quick_Wango> David77: systens are exactly identically configured, yes. 3 HP servers. First one updated without an issue, the second one hit this grub problem (I solved it by reinstalling grub from netinstall rescue) and the third hasn't been updated yet, but I already reinstalled grub on there to prevent this mess
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383[17:49:13] <brokencycle> Can someone please help me get it going? It worked once, after lots of toil, but a few upgrades later, it broke down again.
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386[17:49:20] <brokencycle> But I'd really like to get it going again.
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392[17:52:41] <David77> Quick_Wango: bizarre! same packages installed? theoretically as you rightly thought: same machine same mistake. server: Was that server attacked? :-(
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400[18:02:09] <David77> brokencycle: this wiki replaced-url
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402[18:04:33] <brokencycle> David77: Yes, I tried to follow that page. It has a few alternatives, but what I would like to have, is "NVIDIA PRIME Render Offload".
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404[18:04:46] <brokencycle> However, I can't even load the nvidia driver, although I do have the device.
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406[18:05:29] <brokencycle> I think that's what I wanted, I want the GPU kick in as soon as there's noticable graphics load.
407[18:05:59] <brokencycle> And go back to intel-only if I'm only staring at an editor window.
408[18:06:11] <brokencycle> And without my having to fiddle with it.
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411[18:08:35] <brokencycle> But as it happens, using this method at least screws up my secondary monitor.
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414[18:12:23] <brokencycle> This is when I try to manually set the environment variables, like shown in the wiki. The monitor will display short sequences of "snow", then go blank, then do it again,
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417[18:12:59] <brokencycle> while showing a message on the screen about illegal parameters.
418[18:13:52] <David77> if 'PRIME Render Offload method' have problem (look replaced-url
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421[18:15:40] <Antoine|> Hello, I'd like to convert a linear logical volume into a mirrored logical volume. It is inside of a volume group where the size of the logical volume is available as free space. How can I proceed?
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424[18:16:03] <brokencycle> Actually, my most urgent use case would be to offload graphics to the GPU while running a windows VM, because that's (a) very slow, and (b) overheats the CPU.
425[18:16:15] <Antoine|> I have 3 physical volumes: 2TB, 2TB and 4TB. They're all in one volume group
426[18:16:27] <brokencycle> But thank you, I'll definitely take a look!
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429[18:18:43] <Antoine|> My logical volume is 3.2TB and I have 3.2TB free in my volume group
430[18:19:27] <Antoine|> But `sudo lvconvert -m 1 /dev/mvg/Medias` says "Insufficient suitable allocatable extents for logical volume : 361729 more required"
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463[18:59:00] <frostschutz> Antoine|, what if you add --type raid1? output of pvs, lvs -o lv_name,vg_name,segtype,seg_pe_ranges mvg/Medias ?
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467[19:08:59] <sevenninety> Hi all, I am having some trouble with a radeon r9 390 card. Seems to crash the pc. Read something about gpu clock speeds. Suggestion is to limit max freq. I find lots on overclocking but cannot find a way to reduce max gpu clock speed.
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471[19:14:08] <David77> sevenninety: do you look the wiki replaced-url
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476[19:16:16] <sevenninety> David77, I did. I installed and things were working find. I am using 3 displays and after a few weeks machine started blanking and rebooting. Lots of reading, one suggest was to mod kern boot params to force use of amdgpu module over radeon. I have been reading that some solutions is to reduce max gpu speed to less than 900Mhz.
477[19:17:06] <sevenninety> I support this theory as watching the gpu freq, once over 900 things started to glitch so I shut down the programs and dropped to low freqs and it stabilized
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496[19:38:23] <LCRERGO> When I do an "apt list --upgradable | sed 1d | wc -l" it shows me apt does not have an stable CLI interface is there any way to get the same result but in a stable interface?
497[19:40:14] <jmcnaught> LCRERGO: "aptitude search ~U"
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501[19:47:01] <David77> can you help for my problem jessie > stretch 32bit with 'Missing one or more of the required CPU extensions' if it works with stretch? thanks
502[19:48:09] <sney> David77: that sounds like a hardware incompatibility. what cpu is in this machine?
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504[19:50:32] <LCRERGO> @jmcnaught can't I do it with only apt and dpkg?
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506[19:53:33] <David77> sney: tan
507[19:53:37] <David77> thanks
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509[19:55:10] <jmcnaught> LCRERGO: not that I know of besides "apt list --upgradable", but apt has that message warning not to use it in scripts. That aptitude command doesn't require you to use aptitude's TUI. aptitude's search is actually pretty awesome.
510[19:55:13] <David77> for answer. (sorry return) now i have not a pc on but problem is for this new replaced-url
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512[19:56:21] <David77> sney: is very old CPU. if you want i turn on the pc
513[19:56:32] <sney> David77: then I will direct you to the same page, where it says "If your machine is not compatible with this requirement, it is recommended that you stay with Jessie for the reminder of its support cycle. "
514[19:57:04] <jmcnaught> David77: I would assume they're not kidding about that.
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519[19:59:19] <sney> I guess jessie-lts is eol as of 1.5 months ago. but yes, eventually old hardware is no longer supportable. debian is better about this than most distros, but there's only so much that can be done
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521[19:59:37] <sney> if you need that machine running with a current OS you may want to look into NetBSD.
522[20:00:08] <David77> sney and mcnaught thanks for anwer. yes i know (i write it) but: now support cycle is end :-( is 'raccomanded' or stretch non works at all?
523[20:00:43] <sney> as the page says, stretch does not support your cpu.
524[20:01:06] <sney> you could try to install it, but it's not likely to work.
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530[20:02:06] <David77> I was hoping it was just a recommendation. :-( i looooooove debian
531[20:03:02] <David77> I know it's a very old computer but I was hoping.
532[20:04:09] <sney> if you knew the cpu model, even just from a sticker on the case, it would be easier to guess
533[20:04:17] <sney> or try a stretch livecd and see what happens
534[20:04:42] <sney> if it's one of those funny VIA cpus from 2003 it may be fine. if it's a 486, probably not.
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537[20:05:55] <David77> yes i try tomorrow with livecd/usb. NetBSD ? is debian based and with lxde?
538[20:06:32] <sney> NetBSD is a BSD UNIX. it's not related to debian. lxde is probably available in it.
539[20:06:53] <jmcnaught> If the computer is that old I doubt it will boot from USB, you will probably need to burn a CD-R.
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541[20:07:13] <sney> it's famous for having support for any kind of hardware, with jokes like "installing NetBSD on my toaster and playing DOOM" decades before anyone imagined IoT
542[20:08:15] <raver> > it's famous for having support for any kind of hardware, with jokes like "installing NetBSD on my toaster and playing DOOM" decades before anyone imagined IoT
543[20:08:15] <raver> 😂
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551[20:15:16] <David77> my ol pc it's a tower acer aspire with Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz - flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pebs bts eagerfpu pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl cid xtpr
552[20:17:02] <sney> that's reasonably modern. try stretch (heck, try buster) and see if it works
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554[20:23:23] <David77> sney: yes i try it tomorrow. reasonably modern ... not exactly :-) the script check the flags of /proc/cpuinfo (if grep -q ’^flags.*\bfpu\b.*\btsc\b.*\bcx8\b.*\bcmov\b’ /proc/cpuinfo;) .... but the flags seem to me to be all there. I don't know why the script failed.
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557[20:24:28] <sney> reasonably modern in comparison to the 350MHz that I was expecting. it's still 21st century technology.
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559[20:24:38] <jmcnaught> David77: what is the model of the CPU?
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562[20:25:45] <sney> skimming wikipedia, the earliest model to advertise "2.66" as the speed was a Celeron D from the Prescott family. 2004
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566[20:27:47] <David77> jmcnaught: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz with cpuinfo. sney: yes probably 2004
567[20:27:50] <sney> this should be compatible with any 32-bit x86 linux. replaced-url
568[20:28:36] <jmcnaught> I wonder why it told you "NOT OK" when you ran that code snippets from the release notes then? I would still proceed with caution.
569[20:29:25] <David77> brobably. cpuinfo say only 'model name: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz'
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572[20:31:02] <genr8_> it should say a buncha flags.
573[20:31:56] <sney> 'lshw -class processor' as root will also be more verbose about vendor/model than cpuinfo
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576[20:35:42] <genr8_> i ran both, on mine and diffed the flags, and theres 4 differences
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578[20:36:14] <genr8_> lshw = cpufreq,fpu_exception. proc/cpuinfo = lm,wp
579[20:36:17] <sney> interesting
580[20:36:42] <genr8_> doh i said that wrong
581[20:36:50] <genr8_> but its those 4
582[20:38:31] <genr8_> googling what wp or lm is is hard :/
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584[20:42:52] <David77> jmcnaught: in the flags there is: fpu, tsc, cx8 and cmov i dont know why script say 'NOT OK'. sney: yes sorry is with lshw (root) -> product: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz, physical id: 0, version: 15.3.4, size: 2700MHz, width: 32 bits
585[20:43:10] <David77> capabilities: boot fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pebs bts eagerfpu pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl cid xtpr
586[20:43:49] <sney> probably a false negative of some sort. I'd say you're good to go.
587[20:45:09] <genr8_> yeah those 4 flags seem to exist
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589[20:45:52] <genr8_> and for my question, i think lm is long mode. wp is probably some kind of write protect mode. likely antiquated stuff that everything has and is not worth mentioning
590[20:46:22] <David77> I think too. however it is simply a grep on / proc / cpuinfo. it's just a script with a grep with an if then. bizarre
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592[20:47:30] <genr8_> yes. odd.
593[20:48:05] <genr8_> works for me, maybe your grep is different and has some regex issue ?
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595[20:49:11] <sney> maybe something got mangled by the copy-paste.
596[20:50:35] <David77> genr8: mystery. sorry i missed your question. sney: malefic copy-paste :-) ehehehehehe
597[20:52:47] <David77> 'The 32-bit PC support (known as the Debian architecture i386) now no longer covers a plain i586 processor. The new baseline is the i686, although some i586 processors (e.g. the “AMD Geode”) will remain supported.' i386... i586.... i686 AAAAARGHHH
598[20:53:05] <genr8_> 486 feels left out
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600[20:53:55] <CarlFK> meson says: Run-time dependency glib-2.0 found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake) all the lines; replaced-url
601[20:55:16] <CarlFK> I've installed build-essential nasm git python3-venv python3-pip python3-dev pkg-config libmount-dev flex bison cmake libglib2.0-dev
602[20:55:56] <CarlFK> trying to do replaced-url
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613[21:06:15] <genr8_> add libglib2.0-dev-bin
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615[21:06:26] <genr8_> or libglib2.0-bin
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617[21:07:17] <CarlFK> libglib2.0-bin is already the newest version (2.58.3-2+deb10u2). libglib2.0-dev-bin is already the newest version (2.58.3-2+deb10u2).
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621[21:09:03] <sney> time to look at the script itself and find out what the test is actually doing
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623[21:10:49] <genr8_> the full meson-log.txt has some clues
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627[21:16:03] <genr8_> do you have libjson-glib-1.0-common libjson-glib-1.0-0
628[21:16:56] <CarlFK> yes and yes
629[21:18:00] <genr8_> ok Line 108 of your paste: meson.build:12:0: ERROR: Subproject directory not found and glib.wrap file not found , says Line 12 is failing in the meson build. which is this line: replaced-url
630[21:18:27] <genr8_> edit that file and take out the version: '>= 2.38', part , since you know you have it.
631[21:18:44] <genr8_> the debian 2.58.3-2+deb10u is probably corrupting the >=2.38 check in meson
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634[21:19:58] <genr8_> and if that works, try to ask in the mesonbuild chan on freenode if they know why thats a fail
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644[21:28:31] <CarlFK> I #ed out that whole 4,8 glib lines, got past it, now getting Run-time dependency gstreamer-1.0 found: NO - which is equally confusing, so off to #mesonbuild - which I didnt' know about, I looked for #meson
645[21:28:40] <CarlFK> thanks for the pointer
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652[21:32:47] <genr8_> well you cant comment out the entire lines. the dependencies need to be specified to add the libs to the compilation
653[21:33:44] <genr8_> its just a matter of getting it to find them
654[21:35:04] <genr8_> you might have to have built and gstreamer first before the examples
655[21:37:13] <CarlFK> I did, using a similar build system. and I have the stable installed too
656[21:37:32] <CarlFK> so ... something weird needs to be figured out
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658[21:40:28] <genr8_> indeed
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665[21:47:13] <David77> genr8_: yes lm -> #define X86_FEATURE_LM ( 1*32+29) /* Long Mode (x86-64, 64-bit support) */ but wp????? *wp there's only HWP (14*32+ 7) /* Intel Hardware P-states */, LWP ( 6*32+15) /* Light Weight Profiling */ (in cpufeatures.h)
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677[21:52:51] <David77> (root/arch/x86/include/asm/cpufeatures.h)
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679[21:58:20] <CarlFK> genr8_: #mesonbuild gave me the needed clue. I was in the gst dev shell that changes paths around to use the fresh compiled gst libs, ... so back to #gst I go.
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682[22:01:25] <David77> for lwp is probably cmov Conditional move and FCMOV instructions
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686[22:03:35] <David77> no sorry is ECX, lwp = Light Weight Profiling
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692[22:15:20] <genr8_> in proc/cpuinfo, wp is its own category: wp : yes (right above flags)
693[22:15:31] <nvz> replaced-url
694[22:15:49] <genr8_> ah ha
695[22:15:54] <genr8_> i was right. Write Protect.
696[22:15:55] <nvz> replaced-url
697[22:16:48] <genr8_> yea i saw, but WP isnt in that file
698[22:17:07] <genr8_> the CR0 wiki has it as part of Long Mode
699[22:17:13] <nvz> yes because its not a cpu feature, its a flag on CR0
700[22:17:18] <genr8_> indeed
701[22:17:23] <genr8_> lshw lists it as a flag however
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703[22:21:05] <genr8_> well my curiosity is satisfied now. LM = long mode, and WP = write protect part of CR0
704[22:21:50] <genr8_> remember when we had to know how this stuff to use machine code ?
705[22:22:00] <genr8_> how it works*
706[22:22:45] <nvz> great, cause while I miss the days when this channel was this active, nothing going on in here warrants my attention.. cause its all general crap about linux.. compiling 3rd party software, cpu info.. etc
707[22:23:02] <David77> interesting, but wikipedia is NOT a debian manual :-) the correct link is replaced-url
708[22:23:36] <nvz> ugh.. I never want to see another intel programming manual.. they are miles long
709[22:23:37] <David77> but why is not in debian man? bha!
710[22:23:45] <genr8_> which page out of 468 is that on ? :P
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712[22:24:30] <genr8_> we should be reading these. this is how they slip the backdoors in :p they document them in ambiguous ways, barely.
713[22:24:32] <David77> ehehehehe if you want i find it
714[22:24:47] <nvz> and real snooze fests.. if that one is only 468 pages, its a TINY one..
715[22:25:13] <nvz> read one of the graphics programming manuals ugh..
716[22:25:38] <nvz> just do it on a 64bit machine.. might cause an overflow otherwise :P
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719[22:26:07] <genr8_> I found out from the X79 chipset manual about something called the HDA_SDO pin mod. Note: Asserting the HDA_SDO high on the rising edge of PCH_PWROK will also halt Intel ME after chipset bring up and disable runtime Intel ME features. This is a debug mode and must not be asserted after manufacturing/debug.
720[22:26:30] <genr8_> TLDR: you can short out 2 pins on your HD Audio sound chip thats tied to the PCH to disable the Intel ME
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722[22:26:50] <genr8_> and its documented and people found out about it. barely.
723[22:27:24] <genr8_> i didnt invent it but I investigated it and its some weird stuff
724[22:27:45] <genr8_> they re-used pin functionality for totally different pre-boot and post-boot internal debug stuff
725[22:28:53] <CarlFK> genr8_: and anyone else into such hardware hacking: replaced-url
726[22:29:31] <CarlFK> and also replaced-url
727[22:29:52] <CarlFK> ok enough commercial break, back to #debian chatting.
728[22:30:16] <genr8_> ill take it to offtopic
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730[22:30:51] <genr8_> but yeah ive seen the FOSS chips thing . its sponsored by Google. and the 1st twitter post is very weird. I wonder if that kinda side channel is actually going on in our chips already
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733[22:34:44] <David77> tomorrow i test stretch on my Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz (not 486). genr8_: for 486 you can see replaced-url
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735[22:36:41] <David77> I tell you how it went with stretch livecd
736[22:36:57] <genr8_> you sure thats the right document ? says pentium 4.
737[22:37:47] <genr8_> David77, I have a feeling it will work, just web browser will be slow as molasses
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741[22:40:49] <David77> genr8_: in jessie it's ok web browser. the document is for pentium 4 but if you search you find 386 and 486. probably there's a 486 pdf
742[22:41:15] <jhutchins> How is this related to Debian support?
743[22:41:41] <David77> replaced-url
744[22:42:13] <genr8_> we were investigating CPU flags for his celeron
745[22:42:34] <jhutchins> That's really not a Debian thing.
746[22:42:41] <David77> mitic in 1997!
747[22:42:52] <genr8_> it was if youd scroll up to see how it started
748[22:43:57] <genr8_> why bother reading when you can just alt tab every once and a while and shout about staying on topic
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750[22:45:13] <genr8_> BACK TO WORK PPL dang its too noisy in here I cant process all the support questions coming in
751[22:45:47] <David77> jhutchins: yes sorry you are right. i would like to upgarde jessie to stretch but in replaced-url
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753[22:46:34] <jhutchins> David77: cat /proc/cpuinfo
754[22:47:26] <genr8_> the bash script doesnt work for him, we had to find them manually
755[22:47:44] <David77> yes i know, we talked about it before. only Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz not at all
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759[22:49:35] <nvz> the Celeron D, Pentium M, Penitum 4.. etc are all still supported
760[22:49:41] <David77> jhutchins: thanks for intersting. tomorrow i test with livecd of stretch. obviously not a security but at least I can see if there are already errors.
761[22:49:50] <nvz> these are all i686 processors
762[22:51:06] <David77> nvz: i dont know if my CPU is in 'The 32-bit PC support (known as the Debian architecture i386) now no longer covers a plain i586 processor. The new baseline is the i686, although some i586 processors (e.g. the “AMD Geode”) will remain supported.'
763[22:51:11] <nvz> for intel it goes all the way back to the Pentium Pro
764[22:51:52] <nvz> yes, 586 is being dropped.. a 586 is like an AMD K5 or something
765[22:53:13] <nvz> all Celerons are i686 or better
766[22:54:28] <David77> lshw dont say if is a i686 :-( i try tomorrow with livecd of stetch (now i have jessie). probably you see: change pc..... with pandemia .... no money :( if ALL celeron is i686 YEAH!!!
767[22:55:03] <David77> *you say
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769[22:55:15] <nvz> David77: lscpu | nc termbin.com 9999
770[22:56:32] <nvz> David77: I dont think you can really blame the pandemic.. you've had 20 years to upgrade/replace this machine.. the pandemic has only been an issue for most people about 20 weeks :P
771[22:57:04] <nvz> not to mention depending on the CPU socket, you may be able to go to another CPU that is dirt cheap and much better
772[22:57:37] <nvz> I bought a Socket 775 P4 (same socket as Core2) like more than 10 years ago for like US$10
773[22:57:47] <nvz> 3.4Ghz iirc
774[22:58:09] <EdePopede> does debian come with some kind of dropzone? something small i can place on an empty space on my desktop, icon sized is enough, and drag things out of GUI programs onto it. like links from the browser, but not only. and would be nice if it was scriptable so i could decide what to do depending of the type of content. on the lower end something immediately spitting out the text to stdout would be fine.
775[22:58:40] <nvz> EdePopede: this would be very simple to implement
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777[22:59:28] <jhutchins> David77: You could grep the model name derived from cat /proc/cpuinfo, but lscup bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf mds swapgs itlb_multihit srbds
778[22:59:37] <EdePopede> i had a look long ago into pygtk or what it was, i think this would be the way? not sure if one of the existing dialog tools already have it.
779[22:59:37] <jhutchins> gives yoou the architecture.
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781[23:00:33] <jhutchins> David77: You could grep the model name derived from cat /proc/cpuinfo, but lscpu gives you the architecture directly.
782[23:00:56] <jhutchins> (Where these weird pastebuffers come from I have no idea.)
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784[23:02:18] <nvz> EdePopede: I know yad does
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787[23:03:11] <nvz> EdePopede: yad --dnd
788[23:03:16] <EdePopede> cool, i'll look at it
789[23:03:27] <EdePopede> now that i read it it even looks familiar
790[23:03:43] <David77> jhutchins: only (model name) Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz and same in lshw (with root) product: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz. thanks anyway. I have to go shortly to send my daughter to sleep
791[23:03:56] <EdePopede> i had problems with zenity already, but yad is something i just can't memorize :/
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794[23:04:43] <jhutchins> David77: One more time: lscpu - not lshw
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798[23:10:55] <nvz> yes, you keep repeating the bits I couldnt care less about
799[23:11:05] <n4dir> there is no need to grep for the output of cat. on a side note
800[23:11:13] <nvz> its like idiots saying the WORDS on lspci instead of the identifier
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802[23:11:45] <n4dir> i couldn't figure out what the exact problem is, but i sure got a Celeron on one of my PC's
803[23:13:04] <David77> jhutchins: lscpu have the same information of model (Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz) but in architecture i i686, 32-bit, Little Endian! thanks :-)
804[23:15:56] <David77> thanks to all of you!
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