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• 17[00:06:13] <acheron-a> well i guess its stuff like this that keeps linux under 1% of the desktop :(
• 18[00:06:43] <acheron-a> as i always say, good bye and good luck
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• 21[00:07:15] <toogley> selbstverständlich.
• 22[00:07:25] <toogley> oh, sorry. wrong channel.
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• 64[00:41:01] <dispel> why does stretch have no firefox package, only firefox-esr?
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• 71[00:44:57] <quint> So, I'm trying to build my own live environment based on the debian mini.iso
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• 73[00:45:41] <quint> How do I install packages into an offline filesystem using apt?
• 74[00:45:47] <Plushfish> dispel: firefox and firefox-esr are two different things
• 75[00:46:19] <Plushfish> I think they have choosen firefox-est cause it's maintained for years, unlike firefox which is only maintained for 6 weeks
• 76[00:46:24] <Plushfish> * firefox-esr
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• 78[00:46:55] <quint> attempted using "apt-get -o Dir=/path/to/fs install cowsay"
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• 80[00:47:42] <quint> (already copied a working /etc/apt/ into there and managed to update the cache)
• 81[00:48:08] <quint> is there a better way to do this? perhaps actually installing apt into the filesystem and chrooting?
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• 83[00:48:18] <quint> how is this properly done?
• 84[00:48:24] <jmcnaught> quint: replaced-url
• 85[00:48:38] <jmcnaught> quint: those are the docs for using the live-build system to make a custom live image
• 86[00:48:52] <quint> oh excellent i'll have a look
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• 147[01:33:15] <AmedioYyo> does anyone if I can install debian how I made with ubuntu inside windows with "wubi" option?
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• 151[01:35:18] <AmedioYyo> does anyone know if I can install debian how I made with ubuntu inside windows with "wubi" option?
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• 154[01:36:36] <Guest75253> hello, can someone help please
• 155[01:37:05] <Guest75253> root@db01:/etc# apt-get update
• 156[01:37:06] <Guest75253> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
• 157[01:37:06] <Guest75253> E: Unable to lock the list directory
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• 159[01:37:44] <dvs> Guest75253, there is probably another instance running.
• 160[01:37:56] <Guest75253> what do u mean
• 161[01:38:26] <dvs> There's probably another apt-get or similar program already running.
• 162[01:38:35] <Guest75253> there isnt
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• 164[01:39:05] <Guest75253> see now i tried installing gcc
• 165[01:39:08] <Guest75253> look what happened
• 166[01:39:10] <dvs> then why is there a lock file if there isn't another instance.
• 167[01:39:16] <Guest75253> Processing triggers for man-db ...
• 168[01:39:16] <Guest75253> Setting up gcc (0.33-4) ...
• 169[01:39:16] <Guest75253> root@db01:/etc# gcc
• 170[01:39:16] <Guest75253> gcc: Segmentation fault
• 171[01:39:16] <Guest75253> root@db01:/etc#
• 172[01:39:17] *** Guest75253 was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 174[01:39:36] <Guest75253> im new in using linux so i dont know
• 175[01:39:57] <CarlFK> Guest75253 left the room (Kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
• 176[01:40:00] <CarlFK> do that first
• 177[01:40:28] <Guest75253> replaced-url
• 178[01:40:30] <Guest75253> there u go
• 179[01:42:42] <Plushfish> "Segmentation fault" ... out of RAM?
• 180[01:43:08] <Guest75253> no i have 8GB of ram
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• 182[01:43:36] <dvs> That's not a debian version of gcc
• 183[01:44:08] <Plushfish> dvs: "Get:1 replaced-url
• 184[01:44:25] <jmcnaught> ,v gcc
• 185[01:44:26] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-2; sid: 4:6.3.0-4; experimental: 4:7-20161116-2
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• 187[01:44:45] <Plushfish> You are right
• 188[01:44:49] <Guest75253> dvs: i used apt-get install gcc
• 189[01:44:52] <Guest75253> thats what i did
• 190[01:45:01] <Guest75253> i even tried apt-get install nano
• 191[01:45:06] <Guest75253> same thing, segmentation fault
• 192[01:45:53] <jmcnaught> Guest75253: what else can you tell us about this system? Is it a desktop, phone, server? Could you also please make a paste of "apt-cache policy"?
• 193[01:46:12] <Guest75253> it is a server
• 194[01:46:16] <Plushfish> cat /etc/os-release would also be helpful
• 195[01:46:33] <Guest75253> cat: /etc/os-release: No such file or directory
• 196[01:46:56] <dTal> your system is horrifically broken
• 197[01:46:58] <Guest75253> jmcnaught: how do i get that
• 198[01:47:07] <dTal> we have no way of knowing how or why
• 199[01:47:51] <dTal> I take it this is not a clean install
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• 202[01:48:09] <jmcnaught> Guest75253: i wanted to see the output of "apt-cache policy" when run on your system. I'm curious about line 10 in your previous paste, it seems that the gcc 0.33-4 package was downloaded from ftp.debian.org which doesn't make sense
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• 204[01:48:12] <Plushfish> Does cat /etc/debian_version work?
• 205[01:48:30] <Guest75253> Plushfish nope
• 206[01:48:41] <dTal> whoa whoa go back
• 207[01:48:48] <dTal> how about "ls /"
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• 209[01:48:53] <Guest75253> Plushfish cat /etc/issue works
• 210[01:49:01] <Guest75253> Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 \n \l
• 211[01:49:17] <Guest75253> dTal that works
• 212[01:49:25] <Plushfish> Guest75253: That should be 7.11
• 213[01:49:28] <Plushfish> iirc
• 214[01:49:48] <Guest75253> dTal replaced-url
• 215[01:50:26] <dTal> Guest75253: tell what you did to get a system like this, it will be much quicker than us trying to work around your terribly broken system to figure out exactly why it's terribly broken
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• 217[01:50:54] <Guest75253> dTal i didnt do anything
• 218[01:51:23] <jmcnaught> sounds like a broken "minimal" debian image on some low end VPS provider
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• 220[01:51:47] <Guest75253> jmcnaught it is a dedicated server not a vps
• 221[01:51:58] <Plushfish> oh my ..
• 222[01:52:00] <dTal> and did you install debian on it yourself?
• 223[01:52:14] <Guest75253> dTal no, some computer engineer did
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• 227[01:54:12] <jmcnaught> !bat
• 228[01:54:12] <dTal> I wonder, would some unholy arch mixup cause segfaults everywhere
• 229[01:54:12] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 231[01:54:47] <Plushfish> Guest75253: ^what dpkg said
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• 233[01:54:59] <Guest75253> what do you mean, i dont understand
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• 235[01:55:26] <jmcnaught> Guest75253: please provide the information that the dpkg bot asked you for
• 236[01:55:34] <dTal> I'm going to guess, "Segmentation fault", "Segmentation fault", and "Segmentation fault", respectively :p
• 237[01:55:40] <Guest75253> jmcnaught how do i get that infermation
• 238[01:55:52] <Guest75253> information*
• 239[01:56:04] <jmcnaught> Guest75253: "apt-cache policy" is a command that you enter into the shell
• 240[01:56:25] <Guest75253> bash: apt-cache: command not found
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• 242[01:56:28] <Guest75253> i tried that already, doesnt work
• 243[01:56:30] <Plushfish> lol
• 244[01:56:47] <dvs> oh gawd, start over
• 245[01:57:03] * Plushfish hands Guest75253 a axe
• 246[01:57:07] <Guest75253> its that bad?
• 247[01:57:10] <Guest75253> lol
• 248[01:57:12] <dvs> yes
• 249[01:57:23] <jmcnaught> yeah it sounds horribly broken
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• 251[01:58:21] <dTal> just out of curiosity, how about "uname -a" and "file /usr/bin/apt-get"
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• 254[01:58:38] <Guest75253> Linux db01 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
• 255[01:58:50] <Guest75253> bash: file: command not found
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• 257[01:59:16] <Plushfish> I remember that you said you have 8 GB of RAM ... and you are really using a 32bit OS then?
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• 259[01:59:37] <Guest75253> i dont know if it is 32bit
• 260[01:59:44] <Plushfish> The kernel is
• 261[01:59:46] <dTal> no PAE either
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• 263[01:59:57] <Plushfish> i686 = 32bit
• 264[01:59:59] <dvs> So 8GB is a waste in this case
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• 266[02:00:11] <Plushfish> You can only use 3.5 GB with 32bit
• 267[02:00:19] <Guest75253> wow
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• 270[02:01:18] <jmcnaught> that's also not a debian kernel. it's from the era of squeeze (debian 6) but is probably redhat or centos
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• 272[02:01:48] <Guest75253> so, what do you suggest?
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• 274[02:01:57] <dvs> reinstall
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• 276[02:02:13] <Plushfish> ,judd linux-image-i686
• 277[02:02:19] <Plushfish> idk how that works
• 278[02:02:21] <Plushfish> :(
• 279[02:02:31] <dTal> wipe and start over for sure, even if it worked perfectly you've got some kind of frankensystem there
• 280[02:02:33] <dvs> judd: v linux-image-i686
• 281[02:02:34] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-i686' was found in amd64.
• 282[02:02:56] <Plushfish> judd: v linux-image-amd64
• 283[02:02:57] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+79~bpo8+1; sid: 4.9+79; stretch: 4.9+79
• 284[02:03:06] <Plushfish> Yup
• 285[02:03:08] <Plushfish> Wheezy has 3.2
• 286[02:03:14] <Plushfish> not 2.6
• 287[02:03:43] <Guest75253> where can i buy some TNT?
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• 300[02:10:24] <dTal> so quite a few pulseaudio modules seem to be missing
• 301[02:10:46] <dTal> in particular module-ladspa-sink
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• 316[02:28:35] <dTal> also pip is apparently broken
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• 320[02:32:11] <dTal> Seems to be trying to scrape pypi.python.org/simple which is the wrong URL - creating a pip.conf and adding the correct URL [replaced-url
• 321[02:32:25] <dTal> for some reason nothing works for me today
• 322[02:32:54] <dTal> I do not install Debian so that pip can be broken on a clean install
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• 327[02:36:31] <CarlFK> dTal: didn't you say someone else installed it?
• 328[02:37:01] <jmcnaught> dTal: pip works for me. are you using it in a virtualenv? with "--user"?
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• 334[02:40:58] <dTal> my procedure was installing python3-virtualenv, python3-pip, and then virtualenv in that order (python3 -m venv didn't work properly either, but virtualenv did)
• 335[02:41:08] <Guest75253> who wants to blow me
• 336[02:41:12] <Guest75253> oh, sorry wrong window
• 337[02:41:33] <dTal> then I did "virtualenv -p python3 py-hrtf"
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• 339[02:41:43] <dTal> (py-hrtf being the project I want to start)
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• 341[02:42:10] <dTal> then cd py-hrtf and "source bin/activate"
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• 344[02:42:19] <dTal> then "pip install PyAL"
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• 348[02:42:46] <dTal> and got "Could not find any downloads that satisfy the requirement PyAL"
• 349[02:43:06] <dTal> checking the log, it seems to be scraping an old URL
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• 353[02:43:45] <thecha> can you help me please? replaced-url
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• 355[02:44:57] <dTal> upgrading pip inside the venv does not fix the issue
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• 364[02:48:46] <CarlFK> thecha: add noauto which will skip it as part of the boot, and then we can investigate once your system is booted. uid=33,gid=33,umask=027,noauto
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• 366[02:50:01] <jmcnaught> dTal: thanks for more info. i looked at "pip help install" and it says that replaced-url
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• 374[02:52:19] <jmcnaught> i don't know how to change the default in a persistent way, but if you haven't already you should check out virtualenvwrapper
• 375[02:52:34] <dTal> curious that your pip works
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• 379[02:54:45] <dTal> like I said I managed to make pip install something by both adding the correct URL to a new configuration file and adding package-specific overrides which it seems to want, but that's deeply inconvenient
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• 381[02:58:30] <dTal> I don't understand, this is a nearly new, bog vanilla Debian install, and pip is broken. *Surely* someone would have noticed
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• 388[03:01:18] <CarlFK> I need help with a preseeded install. I build a usb stick with replaced-url
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• 392[03:02:46] <CarlFK> GET debian-installer/locale ... en_US.UTF-8 screen shot of the syslog tail replaced-url
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• 401[03:07:27] <ChmEarl> CarlFK, I think locale needs to be set before you start, so put it on the cmdline
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• 416[03:13:14] <thecha> CarlFK→ ty
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• 419[03:14:30] <CarlFK> ChmEarl: "The "auto" command launches the installation in the automated mode, where the configuration of hostname, locale and keymap are postponed so that they can be answered from the preseed file loaded from the network.
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• 421[03:14:49] <CarlFK> from some reasonable source. do you know if it is auto or auto=true ?
• 422[03:15:04] <ChmEarl> CarlFK, locale=en_US should work. I've used it
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• 425[03:15:21] <CarlFK> ChmEarl: on the append line?
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• 427[03:15:46] <ChmEarl> CarlFK, yes. Try it. The preseed file is too late for locale
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• 429[03:16:24] <CarlFK> ChmEarl: um. that's the point of that auto thing. but I'll try and see what happens.
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• 444[03:24:49] <thecha> friedn it worked now, CarlFK
• 445[03:25:21] <CarlFK> thecha: um.. well.. it shouldnt' have mounted it. but maybe if you click something gui it will do what you want
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• 450[03:29:57] <thecha> no it didnt mount it
• 451[03:30:02] <thecha> CarlFK→ but it booted
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• 455[03:30:30] <thecha> i will be more precise in the future
• 456[03:30:57] <CarlFK> thecha: you are doing fine :)
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• 459[03:31:17] <CarlFK> thecha: mount /dev/sda1
• 460[03:31:25] <CarlFK> that may give some useful messages.
• 461[03:32:10] <Schwarzbaer_> Hello, *. Can you recommend status bars that work well with arbitrary window managers?
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• 463[03:34:43] <thecha> replaced-url
• 464[03:35:04] <thecha> i think i need to mount the entire sda in fstab
• 465[03:35:14] <thecha> not only the individual partition
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• 467[03:39:05] <dunderproto> Which metapackage should I install for children's educational apps?
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• 471[03:41:32] <CarlFK> thecha: I am guessing that is a windows install? try this: mkdir x; sudo mount mount /dev/sda1 x
• 472[03:41:54] <CarlFK> hopefully that will ignore what is in fstab and mount will try to figure out what sda1 is
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• 475[03:43:38] <dunderproto> if I am not mistaken, all the metapackages consist of open source and redistributable software, correct? (no proprietary software in the repos by default)
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• 477[03:44:12] <thecha> CarlFK→ it worked
• 478[03:44:17] <dunderproto> the games-education metapackage looks like what I need
• 479[03:44:28] <thecha> i changed it to vfat and it worked
• 480[03:44:36] <CarlFK> thecha: heh. mount will show ... ah, good.
• 481[03:45:37] <Papillon> dunderproto: not always afaik, it depends on if you have nonfree in your repo list thingy
• 482[03:45:56] <dunderproto> Papillon: I'm not going to add any repos, just the repos from the default install
• 483[03:46:13] <Papillon> look at your distros file or whatever
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• 487[03:50:52] <thecha> CarlFK→ given this is a vfat and not a ntfs, then is there a way to mount it as ntfs3g?
• 488[03:51:04] <thecha> or would you need to reformat?
• 489[03:52:27] <CarlFK> thecha: um.. i think so, but I haven't done windows stuff in ages, so I can't really say.
• 490[03:52:34] <thecha> no need
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• 492[03:52:46] <thecha> just that it is possible is enough infor i can google my way out form here
• 493[03:52:51] <thecha> really you have helped me a lot
• 494[03:53:03] <thecha> my best bet woudl of other wise have been shotgun debugging
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• 515[04:08:15] <dTal> why oh why does pulseaudio take the trouble to print "from openal.loaders import load_wav_file
• 516[04:08:21] <dTal> ahem pastefail
• 517[04:08:47] <dTal> why oh why does pulseaudio take the time to print "Daemon startup failed." in red, but not actually tell me the problem
• 518[04:09:16] <dunderproto> Papillon: If I understand correctly, I should check /etc/apt/sources.list, and make sure that only 'main' is included and not contrib and non-free?
• 519[04:10:57] <Papillon> that sounds right
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• 521[04:11:53] <dunderproto> Papillon: thank you
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• 538[04:29:43] <CarlFK> ChmEarl: no luck. same error. APPEND --- debconf/priority=high DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 locale=en_US auto=true url=192.168.1.194:80 hw-detect/load_firmware=false hostname=gator netcfg/get_domain=lan partman-auto/disk="/dev/nvme0n1"
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• 541[04:30:48] <jak2017> hi all
• 542[04:30:57] <jak2017> cant do an update to system, replaced-url
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• 567[04:51:33] <BugzBunny> Hello, hi, I choosing Distributions based on their package management, but folks are saying that Arch Linux pacman is better than 'apt'?
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• 570[04:55:53] <CarlFK> BugzBunny: you might want to read replaced-url
• 571[04:56:23] <CarlFK> I would hope all the package management systems are 'mature' by now
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• 574[04:59:20] <BugzBunny> I am sorry, that wiki needs help, at editing
• 575[05:00:52] <BugzBunny> It's _very_ difficult following and it's a bit unusual it's a Ubuntu link?
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• 580[05:04:32] <jak2017> cant do an update to system, replaced-url
• 581[05:05:29] <jak2017> i want install apache2 but cant
• 582[05:05:29] <jak2017> replaced-url
• 583[05:05:34] <Papillon> try removing glassfish?
• 584[05:06:18] <jak2017> but why?
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• 586[05:06:31] <jak2017> apache2 is very diferent to glassfish
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• 588[05:06:50] <Papillon> to test to see if you can perform the update without it
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• 590[05:06:56] <Papillon> after the update you can try to reinstall it
• 591[05:07:10] <martin3> gimp by default can't open raw file from a camera released in 2014. did I forget to install some additional packages or?
• 592[05:07:29] <jak2017> ouch cant
• 593[05:07:31] <jak2017> really cant
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• 595[05:08:15] <Papillon> try converting the raw file to dng
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• 600[05:11:56] <c0rleone> Hello. Should i go for Debian 8 or 9?
• 601[05:12:36] <dax> 8. 9 isn't out yet.
• 602[05:13:00] <Schwarzbaer_> I've set a background with xsetbg. There's a lot of white pixels that shouldn't be there, apparently coinciding with where the image is black #000000. Is that normal? What can I do to fix that?
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• 607[05:14:35] <BugzBunny> It's weird you say Gimp by default
• 608[05:15:18] <jak2017> Papillon any advice?
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• 610[05:15:30] <BugzBunny> Do you mean you don't have a decoder for 'raw'?
• 611[05:15:55] <BugzBunny> AFAIK, GIMP just need a plugin, correct me if I am wrong.
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• 616[05:20:53] <Papillon> try removing glassfish, update, then reinstall glassfish
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• 626[05:26:55] <sere> anyone know know my onboard is not being seen in X.. it works up to boot..also i have no glx..modules look ok
• 627[05:27:45] <Papillon> do you have multigpu?
• 628[05:27:57] <sere> do i need to mess with xorg.. i normally dont mess with it.
• 629[05:28:25] <sere> Papillon: cards? i have one vga and one HDMI
• 630[05:29:21] <sere> VGA : VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kabini [Radeon HD 8280 / R3 Series]
• 631[05:29:59] <Papillon> you mean your motherboard has one vga and one hdmi? they don't always support output on both
• 632[05:30:08] <Papillon> check your motherboard specs
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• 635[05:31:18] <sere> Papillon: yes.. ubuntu it worked just fine.. also installed the flglx drivers and it fixed it but i would prefer not to use them unless i have to.. on a fresh install now
• 636[05:32:00] <sere> Papillon: im new to debian and wondering if i forgot to install something
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• 659[05:53:34] <CarlFK> new installer error: Apr 10 03:42:18 main-menu[217]: WARNING **: Configuring 'grub-installer' failed with error code 1 replaced-url
• 660[05:54:11] <CarlFK> /dev/nvme0n1 is the on board ssd. sda and sdb are usb thumb drives that have the installer files
• 661[05:54:17] <sere> xcodirect rendering: Yes
• 662[05:54:22] <sere> server glx vendor string: SGI
• 663[05:54:40] <sere> shouldnt that be ati or radion
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• 675[06:00:43] <Papillon> try asking about that in ##linux, it's more active and it shouldn't be debian specific
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• 679[06:06:44] <shergill> i have a customs MITM proxy for a particular URL (intended to manipulate the html content etc). said proxy, however, doesn't play nice with all URLs in general, so i need a way to only trigger it for that particular URL. how would i do that?
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• 686[06:09:36] <jak2017> Papillon uninstall the service its OK?
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• 689[06:10:46] <Papillon> I'd try it
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• 691[06:11:00] <Papillon> the update's getting hung up in a loop updating that package
• 692[06:11:07] <Papillon> take out the package, update, see if it works
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• 701[06:15:56] <fata_morgana> who
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• 716[06:33:13] <CarlFK> er.. fell off the net. debian installer busybox, grub-installer ... grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/boot'. here are my drives replaced-url
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• 740[07:00:49] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. How do I find out when a package was last updated? I just checked the current version of Inkscape, 0.92.1; but Debian's is only 0.42. How do I find out how long it has been since the last upgrade?
• 741[07:01:31] <Papillon> do you mean when did debian add .42? when did .42 come out?
• 742[07:01:32] <Lady_Aleena> Some software won't support versions which are old, such as KDE.
• 743[07:01:42] <Lady_Aleena> Papillon, yes.
• 744[07:02:16] <Lady_Aleena> s/software/software channels/;
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• 747[07:04:49] <Papillon> replaced-url
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• 749[07:05:38] <Papillon> replaced-url
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• 751[07:06:39] <Lady_Aleena> Papillon, thank you. It looks like nothing has been done with it since 2014.
• 752[07:07:15] <Papillon> looks like it's been orphaned
• 753[07:07:23] <Papillon> maybe not formally
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• 759[07:11:10] <dunderproto> I just set up debian 8.7.1 on an old Pentium 4 pc, and the install looked like it went fine. gdm3 seems to load, but the moment I log in, I get this inexplicable error: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. All extensions have been disabled as a precaution"
• 760[07:11:48] <dunderproto> /var/log/gdm3 is empty, but I do see /var/log/Xorg.0.log has some messages inside
• 761[07:12:12] <drpresident> is your graphics card good?
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• 763[07:12:23] <dunderproto> drpresident: gdm3 was able to load, I see a very nice login screen
• 764[07:12:27] <Lady_Aleena> Well, I found replaced-url
• 765[07:13:00] <dunderproto> drpresident: I might be missing some critical firmware, but I'm new to debian, so I'm not sure where to look. dmesg?
• 766[07:13:05] <Papillon> add backports to your sources.list?
• 767[07:13:16] <Papillon> download the .deb and dpkg -i inkscape.deb
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• 770[07:13:24] <Lady_Aleena> Papillon, I think I did. Let me check.
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• 776[07:14:05] <dunderproto> drpresident: the live usb worked OK. This error only occurs after install
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• 781[07:15:27] <Lady_Aleena> Papillon, I have jessie-backports in my sources.list.
• 782[07:15:48] <dunderproto> tg3 is missing firmware (failed to load tigon/tg3_tso5.bin), but this looks like an issue with networking not display
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• 784[07:16:27] <Papillon> try apt update
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• 786[07:16:45] <Papillon> you need to get the backports package info
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• 790[07:17:58] <Lady_Aleena> Before I install from backports, should I remove the non-backport version, or will that version be upgraded to the backport version?
• 791[07:18:45] <Papillon> I don't think you need to remove it
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• 793[07:19:59] <Lady_Aleena> I may not need to remove it, but for neatness, will I then have two versions of Inkscape on my system?
• 794[07:20:15] <Papillon> no clue. Probably not
• 795[07:20:20] <Papillon> you can check afterwards
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• 800[07:22:31] <dunderproto> Maybe I should uninstall gdm and try xdm
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• 804[07:24:40] <Lady_Aleena> Which command can should me packages I have installed? apt-cache or dpkg?
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• 809[07:28:56] <gry> Lady_Aleena, dpkg -L *pattern*
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• 812[07:30:30] <Lady_Aleena> gry, I got it right before you replied. Thanks!
• 813[07:30:52] <Lady_Aleena> gry, I just wanted dpkg -l though.
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• 820[07:35:15] <gry> ok
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• 824[07:37:40] <Lady_Aleena> gry, -L was a bit much.
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• 827[07:40:23] <dunderproto> I ran sudo systemctl disable gdm3, and would like to enable xdm, but sudo systemctl enable xdm shows 'no such file or directory'
• 828[07:40:37] <dunderproto> startxfce4 worked just fine, but I'd like xdm to start automatically upon boot
• 829[07:41:01] <gry> copy/paste from replaced-url
• 830[07:41:16] <gry> it's an xdm.service file
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• 832[07:41:41] <dunderproto> gry: thank you
• 833[07:41:49] <gry> and please report a bug for xdm package. it needs to have this file within the package itself
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• 845[07:50:48] <Behruz> Hello.Please help me a want my wifi connection connect at a specefic time.I've made a bash script file which run the nmcli command.When i run the file in terminal everything is ok.But when i invoke it in crontab the nmcli commands won't run.
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• 847[07:51:54] <Behruz> If any paste or information needs i'll send it.
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• 850[07:55:30] <acresearch> people, when i wake up the computer after it sleeps it prompts me for a password, i want to remove that, where do i go?
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• 852[07:56:18] <mender27> acresearch, what desktop do you use, what desktop manager do you use?
• 853[07:56:29] <acresearch> mender27: debian gnome 3
• 854[07:57:17] <mender27> acresearch, then you need to look for the specific auto-login option in the GNOME3 settings manager.
• 855[07:57:43] <acresearch> mender27: i cannot find it there, and i tried searching but no results come up
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• 857[07:58:11] <Behruz> sudo /usr/bin/nmcli nm wifi on ; sudo /usr/bin/nmcli dev wifi con "Lan" password "password" ;
• 858[07:58:24] <acresearch> mender27: i cannot find it under users nor under privacy
• 859[07:59:10] <mender27> acresearch, then I don't know, sorry. I either use lightdm + XFCE4 or log in from the terminal and don't mind the password prompt :).
• 860[07:59:14] <Behruz> These are the command in the file.Should i invoke theme with gnome-terminal ? if that so. how ?
• 861[07:59:28] <acresearch> ok
• 862[07:59:29] <mender27> acresearch, I would also try googling it, because it seems like a trivial matter :).
• 863[07:59:51] <acresearch> mender27: right? it is trivial... driving me crazy
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• 865[07:59:57] <soulz> moonboot
• 866[08:00:09] <mender27> acresearch, as in, a tickbox should be out there somewhere!
• 867[08:00:15] <acresearch> mender27: i know
• 868[08:01:05] <acresearch> mender27: i think if i desable screen lock, it solves the issue
• 869[08:01:14] <acresearch> mender27: yeh i think this is it
• 870[08:01:16] <Behruz> People,Please help me.It's critical.
• 871[08:01:32] <mender27> acresearch, nice job!
• 872[08:01:45] <mender27> Behruz, why do you need the wifi to be enabled only at specific times?
• 873[08:03:11] <Behruz> mender,I got free internet charge only at 2 up 7 mornings.
• 874[08:03:43] <acresearch> mender27: by the way, i found a bug in debian 8.7 (it should be very stable right?). in tweek tool>Workspaces when you change from dynamic to static or static to dynamic debian completely crashes!!!
• 875[08:05:45] <mender27> acresearch, what do you mean by "completely crashes"?
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• 879[08:06:55] <acresearch> mender27: i get this grey crash screen with a sad face and says log out
• 880[08:07:17] <acresearch> mender27: sorry something something you have to log out
• 881[08:07:24] <mender27> acresearch, that's a GNOME3 crash, not a kernel panic.
• 882[08:07:30] <acresearch> oh
• 883[08:07:43] <mender27> Still, yes, it should probably be reported.
• 884[08:07:48] <acresearch> mender27: oh ok so it is an issue from gnome not debian
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• 886[08:08:19] <mender27> acresearch, yes.
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• 888[08:09:15] <mender27> acresearch, if it was a kernel panic, the system would either freeze or the system would drop to the terminal and freeze.
• 889[08:09:23] <acresearch> oh ok
• 890[08:09:34] <mender27> acresearch, or it would freeze and then shortly after reboot automatically.
• 891[08:09:39] <acresearch> mender27: no that never happened to me ever on any linux destro
• 892[08:10:56] <mender27> acresearch, it did to me when tinkering with external kernel modules.
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• 895[08:12:05] <acresearch> mender27: that it probably quite advanced for me, i use my computer for biocomputation, and a bit of programming in bioinformatics, nothing hard core as kernel tweeking etc...
• 896[08:13:12] <Behruz> mender27,Is it because of diffrent enviroment variable or something ?
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• 898[08:13:23] <mender27> acresearch, oh cool! we also do some bioinformatics in my research group, but on CentOS.
• 899[08:14:09] <mender27> Behruz, rmctl should run from crontab, but if the PATH is altered, it might not.
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• 901[08:14:35] <acresearch> interesting, do you hangout in #bioinformatics much?
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• 904[08:15:00] <mender27> Behruz, just to be sure, you can adjust it so that you know your script is launched the same way manually as from crontab.
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• 907[08:15:31] <mender27> acresearch, not really. Sometimes on ##python and in the respective distro channels, depending on what I run at a given moment.
• 908[08:15:44] <acresearch> mender27: :-)
• 909[08:17:12] <Behruz> mender27,I'm no that profetional user.What shal i do?
• 910[08:17:32] <mender27> Behruz, follow the networkmanager suggestion.
• 911[08:19:48] <Behruz> mender27,I have no idea :(
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• 914[08:20:32] <mender27> Behruz, sorry then :(. I can't think of any other solution.
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• 918[08:22:36] <Behruz> mender27,Thank man.
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• 923[08:22:58] <mender27> Behruz, your welcome and sorry again I couldn't help you much.
• 924[08:23:35] <Behruz> Have look at this lines in my script are they correct ?
• 925[08:23:51] <Behruz> gnome-terminal --command = "sudo /usr/bin/nmcli nm wifi on" ;
• 926[08:23:51] <Behruz> gnome-terminal --command = "sudo /usr/bin/nmcli dev wifi con \"Lan\" password \"password\"" ;
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• 929[08:24:46] <Behruz> mender27,I mean the character escapes.I got problem with double ""
• 930[08:26:18] <mender27> Behruz, are the sudo calls needed. The character escapes should be fine.
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• 932[08:27:49] <Behruz> mender27,No need.I've just put it for trial and error test :(
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• 935[08:29:34] <mender27> Need to go. See you o/.
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• 963[08:46:11] <maddy> hi
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• 968[08:49:04] <gry> maddy, hi
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• 978[08:52:51] <drui> Reading replaced-url
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• 981[08:54:47] <maddy> hey all
• 982[08:54:51] <maddy> whats up
• 983[08:55:00] <maddy> anybody's here
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• 988[08:56:21] <Papillon> not much
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• 991[08:58:27] <BugzBunny> I will help, but I don't like Debian
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• 994[08:58:44] <BugzBunny> maddy, What you need help with?
• 995[08:58:56] <choice> Good Morning! How do you make a Debian machine use local time instead of UTC?
• 996[08:58:59] <BugzBunny> ArchLinux ftw
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• 999[08:59:11] <BugzBunny> Sorry, punish me
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• 1002[08:59:41] <maddy> yup wanna do DDOS
• 1003[08:59:54] <BugzBunny> choice, You tell me? because it's always open source software
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• 1014[09:02:51] <Dagger> choice: `dpkg-reconfigure tzdata`, if I remember rightly
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• 1017[09:04:59] <choice> Dagger: Nice! Thank you!
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• 1020[09:05:35] <MACscr> is there not an official way way in jessie to only keep the newest kernels when new ones are added by apt-get?
• 1021[09:05:38] <rohit> hey Guys, I am using my old hard to boot on a new machine and I am getting error saying /dev/disk/by-uuid/<> not found. I do see that disk when I boot from recovery mode. How do I fix this issue
• 1022[09:05:39] <rohit> ?
• 1023[09:05:55] <MACscr> i have limited space and hate having to manually remove old kernels all the time. Just removed 8 old ones
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• 1041[09:08:53] <drui> MaxLanar: Doesn't apt autoremove do this now also?
• 1042[09:09:20] <YusufMakmun> Assalamualaikum
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• 1047[09:10:05] <drui> MACscr * not the other guy sorry.
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• 1049[09:10:21] <MACscr> drui not for me
• 1050[09:10:22] <YusufMakmun> bales wassalam gt
• 1051[09:10:34] <YusufMakmun> jangan kafir
• 1052[09:11:13] <YusufMakmun> wasalam aj gak bs ngaku ahli linux
• 1053[09:11:38] <somiaj> rohit: could it be a timing issue, where the drive just isn't ready/seen.
• 1054[09:12:04] <somiaj> rohit: do you know what is on that partition that isn't mounting?
• 1055[09:13:07] <somiaj> MACscr: autoremove should remove old kernels. Note you'll have to reboot before it gives that as an option for the running one
• 1056[09:13:41] <MACscr> somiaj not working for me. am i missing an option?
• 1057[09:13:48] <YusufMakmun> blajar ngaji br linux tau
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• 1061[09:14:40] <somiaj> MACscr: output of aptitude search ~i~nlinux-image ~i~nlinux-headers
• 1062[09:15:28] <MACscr> somiaj i only use apt-get. Could that be the issue?
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• 1068[09:18:42] <serrano> MACscr: yes, `apt-get autoremove` should work
• 1069[09:18:55] <MACscr> yet doesnt....
• 1070[09:18:59] <rohit> somiaj: I have a debian installation on the drive
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• 1072[09:19:14] <serrano> maybe because you already removed the older kernels?
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• 1076[09:19:28] <rohit> somiaj: I am looking to boot from that partition
• 1077[09:20:06] <somiaj> MACscr: it shouldn't, can I have the output I asked for (Assuming you have kernels installed that are not being autoremoved
• 1078[09:21:01] <MACscr> somiaj i dont even have aptitude installed
• 1079[09:22:28] <somiaj> that is just the only way I know how to get info about the auto install flag.
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• 1083[09:23:46] <somiaj> apt-get autoremove, or now apt autoremove will remove packages with the auto flag installed with out any dependencies. If this is not working either the auto flag is not set, there is a package that depends on the kernel that is set to manual, or you are running the kernel. But apt-get autoremove works just fine for me here on jessie and stretch for kernels
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• 1095[09:28:49] <MACscr> somiaj i think i found the problem replaced-url
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• 1103[09:32:30] <somiaj> MACscr: less /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal the top of that script here is basically what I see/described, I missed it keeps one kernel back (for some reason I thought it kept it back because i was running on it)
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• 1111[09:33:56] <MACscr> somiaj though im still not sure why i have 9 installed kernels, have rebooted, and auto-remove does nothing
• 1112[09:34:14] <MACscr> i should have 2
• 1113[09:34:16] <MACscr> at most
• 1114[09:34:40] <MACscr> even 3
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• 1116[09:36:22] <userro> you have 9 kernels?
• 1117[09:36:43] <MACscr> yep. i just found another conf that seems to be the problem
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• 1120[09:37:08] <somiaj> MACscr: check the script. I don't see why it is adding all those kernels to the list.
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• 1132[09:41:00] <Stummi> MACscr, it should work with both, aptitude and apt-get
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• 1134[09:41:21] <Stummi> MACscr, can you type "aptitude search ~ilinux-image" and then "aptitude why <oldest kernel package>" and paste the output?
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• 1138[09:43:33] <MACscr> Stummi i dont have aptitude installed nor plan to use it. No worries though, if found another conf file for that has NeverAutoRemove wildcard listing for kernels
• 1139[09:43:46] <Stummi> okay
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• 1169[10:01:20] <mender27> Hello :).
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• 1207[10:19:29] <rohit> I have changed my drive to new machine. I am getting error /dev/disk/by-uuid/<> not found
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• 1209[10:19:47] <rohit> I am trying to boot from the disk
• 1210[10:19:51] <rohit> can someone help me
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• 1214[10:22:01] <sep> good morning, i have the error "Buffer I/O error on device md126p1, logical block N -- lost page write due to I/O error on md126p1" on a software raid5. but the raid does not toss any disk from the raidset, so why do i get write errors ? ;; replaced-url
• 1215[10:22:08] <theablestman> hi
• 1216[10:22:19] <mender27> rohit: get yourself a Debian liveCD, boot into recovery mode and try to adjust /etc/fstab to use disk labels or drive names instead of UUIDs. Also, can the BIOS in the new computer see your drive?
• 1217[10:22:49] <sep> there is no other messages in dmesg as you can see in the paste. running debian jessie
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• 1220[10:23:33] <mender27> sep: do you have any means of testing whether the drive is healthy? Are you using mdadm for RAID5?
• 1221[10:24:19] <rohit> mender27 yes the BIOS sees new drive. After booting into recovery mode I am not able to write to file system. It is read only
• 1222[10:24:44] <mender27> rohit: what file system is it?
• 1223[10:24:49] <sep> mender27, yes i run mdadm, i also run smartmontools and gets email about smart errors normally. and check the disks in the raid set with smartctl
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• 1226[10:25:26] <mender27> sep: so are the disks "healthy"?
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• 1229[10:25:41] <sep> yes
• 1230[10:25:54] <rohit> mender27 ext4
• 1231[10:25:59] <mender27> sep: when did you start getting those errors? recently?
• 1232[10:26:00] <sep> but the raid set obviously have issues anyway
• 1233[10:26:12] <sep> last 2 days
• 1234[10:26:32] <mender27> sep: so it seems. there might still be something wrong with either the array or mdadm if there was an update.
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• 1236[10:26:53] <mender27> rohit: okay, that's really strange. Can you mount the drive manually as read/write?
• 1237[10:26:55] <sep> but i have had them previously as well. but then i did a reboot due to security patch and it went away for about 2 months
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• 1242[10:27:36] <mender27> sep: then it's more likely to be a software issue.
• 1243[10:27:39] <sep> if i got messages about one of the underlying disks having write issues as well it would be more sane
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• 1247[10:28:25] <rohit> mender27I can boot from different OS and change /etc/fstab. Tried that from uuid to /dev/sdb. That did not help either
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• 1252[10:30:12] <dA3M0n23> good morning.
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• 1255[10:31:24] <mender27> rohit: do you get the same error?
• 1256[10:31:31] <rohit> mender27 I can boot from different OS and change /etc/fstab. Tried that from uuid to /dev/sdb. That did not help either
• 1257[10:31:55] <mender27> rohit: and hopefully you're not running any weird mdadm + lvm setups, right? :)
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• 1259[10:32:20] <sep> mender27, guess i just have to do another reboot, up my monitoring and wait. thanks for your time.
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• 1261[10:33:49] <rohit> mender27 it is simple uefi
• 1262[10:33:56] <mender27> sep: yeah, no worries. Personally, I would say "don't worry", but in general it's better to observe such occurrences.
• 1263[10:34:29] <mender27> rohit: could you pastebin your /etc/fstab? Also, after adjusting /etc/fstab, do you get the same errors as before?
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• 1266[10:34:57] <rohit> mender27 yes, I do get the same error
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• 1268[10:35:24] <no_gravity> Hello! Is there a command line diff tool that can handle movements of blocks?
• 1269[10:35:27] <no_gravity> So if a function was moved inside a code file it won't show it as deleted in one place and added in another place?
• 1270[10:35:35] <sep> mender27, do you know what happens with the writes beeing lost ? the n number increases. so does it eventually succeed in writing the data ? or is it lost ?
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• 1275[10:38:25] <mender27> sep: it's moving block by block along the array. Not sure why the writes fail.
• 1276[10:39:01] <mender27> sep: as in, the error is hardly informative :(.
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• 1280[10:40:12] <sep> mender27, exactly. if it haid said something about sdb as well or some real disk, but then i guess the raid would have tossed the disk if it had known witch one it was
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• 1282[10:41:28] <sep> it does weekly rescans as well so should not be any hidden errors
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• 1314[10:58:52] <jern> I'm having a problem with libreoffice on Stretch where breeze style doesn't apply. I have libreoffice-style-breeze installed and the icons show in libreoffice, but the menus looks like windows 98.
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• 1316[11:01:00] <Mahe> jern: iirc the *-style packages only affect icons but I assume you are talking about the menu widget style?
• 1317[11:02:11] <jern> Yea, just looking at the packages, it seems like libreoffice package doesn't install libreoffice-kde when KDE desktop is installed. This is new in stretch?
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• 1321[11:02:54] <Mahe> jern: dunno, this is the jessie channel btw - for stretch support you should go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 1323[11:03:25] <jern> Alright, I'll go check it out.
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• 1333[11:06:24] <thereyougo> anyone knows if using bash in command line its possible to remove part of the line from cursor to some particular character ? I know its possible to move cursor to some position by "Ctrl-]" or "Ctrl-Alt-]" but how to also remove everything in between ?
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• 1337[11:07:50] <s4ro> Q) Is there a script to create a debian installation from an other running system?
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• 1341[11:09:37] <s4ro> and why is ssh starting on installation??
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• 1345[11:10:44] <Dreaman> unetbootin
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• 1354[11:14:05] <s4ro> Dreaman: thanks, I mean a real installation not a live disk to install it. Something I can replicate on different devices.
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• 1356[11:14:30] <s4ro> I'm following replaced-url
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• 1358[11:14:54] <s4ro> but I'm experiencing problems with pending processes created in chroot
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• 1363[11:16:19] <Dreaman> just netinstall unetbootin
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• 1388[11:24:43] <manuelschneid3r> The corporation of Alfred (OSX launcher) wants to fuck up my free and open source pet project, Albert a Linux launcher. Is anybody good in international law here? They threat me with lawyers etc. Do I have to fear anything?I dont want to invest a single penny, since I dont get any reward for this project.
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• 1394[11:26:52] <altyr> don't use unetbootin. it's not compatible with debian
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• 1404[11:30:05] <darkad> the wifi applet in the lxpanel doesn't show the wifi connection list, while if I sun sudo iwlist wlan0 scan it works, any help please?
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• 1407[11:30:52] <altyr> manuelschneid3r: maybe ask the FSF instead?
• 1408[11:31:05] <darkad> what is fsf?
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• 1410[11:31:20] <manuelschneid3r> free software foundation
• 1411[11:31:23] <wrksx_> the f***SakeFoundation?
• 1412[11:31:24] <darkad> altyr: sorry
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• 1414[11:31:28] <wrksx_> =)
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• 1485[12:10:05] <man_in_shack> i'm trying to get an ntfs filesystem mounted with the kernel module instead of fuse
• 1486[12:10:14] <man_in_shack> but every time i mount it, it comes up as fuseblk
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• 1488[12:10:36] <man_in_shack> anyone know how to tell the kernel not to let fuse do it?
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• 1497[12:13:59] <towo^work> man_in_shack, purge ntfs-3g
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• 1500[12:15:27] <man_in_shack> was hoping to do it dynamically
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• 1506[12:18:06] <man_in_shack> got it. remove /sbin/mount.ntfs, which is a symlink to mount.ntfs-3g
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• 1511[12:20:26] <man_in_shack> unfortunately using the kernel module doesn't seem to have improved performance. probably exfat write performance being a problem then
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• 1523[12:28:25] <kolnpole> where can i find all the apt sources list
• 1524[12:28:41] <kolnpole> fro debian jessie
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• 1526[12:29:15] <kolnpole> right now i just got two in my list and they dont got non-free firmwares
• 1527[12:29:19] <kolnpole> which i need for my wifi and bluetooth
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• 1529[12:29:53] <themill> !jessie sources.list
• 1530[12:29:53] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1532[12:30:14] <themill> (add "contrib non-free" to the end of those lines if that's what you need)
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• 1537[12:32:45] <kolnpole> themill, thanks
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• 1587[13:02:05] <nicechap> when is debian strech out?
• 1588[13:02:17] <Stummi> when its done
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• 1590[13:02:22] <nicechap> :(
• 1591[13:02:41] <Stummi> why so sad? Do you want a debian release which is not done?
• 1592[13:02:43] <nicechap> I have installed ubuntu gnome, but it "feels" slow
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• 1594[13:02:54] <nicechap> not sure if it is my perception
• 1595[13:03:06] <nicechap> I wanted to make a start to the latest pure debian..
• 1596[13:03:25] <Stummi> nicechap, if you are going for the desktop, you should be fine installing the testing version of debian
• 1597[13:04:35] <nicechap> Stummi: but wouldnt it need to be 'stable'?
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• 1600[13:06:23] <teraflops> _stable_ whatever that means…
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• 1605[13:08:41] <nicechap> teraflops: noun
• 1606[13:08:43] <nicechap> noun: stable; plural noun: stables
• 1607[13:08:45] <nicechap> 1.
• 1608[13:08:47] <nicechap> a building set apart and adapted for keeping horses.
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• 1610[13:09:56] <Stummi> nicechap, no, why?
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• 1612[13:10:27] <Stummi> nicechap, (IMHO) debian testing is perfectly fine for desktops. My testing here is years old and never had big issues with it
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• 1614[13:10:53] <nicechap> Stummi: I dont know the concept of releases very well, I thought testing might mean, that things can still break
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• 1618[13:11:41] <nicechap> also, I dint understand why you specifically singled out Desktop version as being fine
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• 1620[13:12:07] <Stummi> nicechap, since you mentioned gnome I think you are talking about a desktop system
• 1621[13:12:14] <nicechap> yes
• 1622[13:12:42] <nicechap> I meant: would testing version of non-desktop releases would be unwise to use?
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• 1624[13:13:42] <teraflops> there's a non-desktop release
• 1625[13:13:48] <teraflops> it's just debian
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• 1627[13:14:13] <teraflops> there's no^
• 1628[13:14:13] <nicechap> okay, well, this exposes my ignorance :-/
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• 1630[13:14:18] <teraflops> nicechap: np
• 1631[13:15:04] <nicechap> ok, my take home message is basically, dont worry, and use the testing stretch
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• 1635[13:16:06] <teraflops> nicechap: I would go with stable release for running a production server, but as Stummi says stretch is _now_ frozen, and it eventually will become in stable
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• 1642[13:22:06] <nicechap> thanks so much both
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• 1644[13:22:53] <nicechap> okay, I will do it, I used jessie on my other laptop, and been really happy with
• 1645[13:23:06] <nicechap> -it
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• 1647[13:26:22] <teraflops> nicechap: this is a personal opinion, I think stretch will be great for running a desktop/workstation
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• 1652[13:29:54] <nicechap> the only trouble I had when installing jessie was, my wifi hardware etc wasnt recognised during the installation
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• 1655[13:30:03] <plasmoduck_> hey guys, so I'm using the propriety nvidia driver with a gtx550ti and I currently installed a second card (gtx 660) so I have both cards in there, monitors are connected to the gtx660, the drivers work with this new card, but should I do anything like update something for the new card? I had to update drivers in windows.
• 1656[13:30:16] <nicechap> I believe I had to get an image which had 3rd party drivers on it
• 1657[13:30:36] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
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• 1660[13:33:34] <BluesKaj> plasmoduck_: if you've updated and upgraded your packages , then your nvidia driver is up to date
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• 1664[13:35:20] <teraflops> nicechap: yeah
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• 1668[13:36:39] <musca> plasmoduck_: i won't expect problems
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• 1720[14:06:44] <tp43_> Anyone know or have a link that set up login banner to show last/previous login date/time please?
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• 1726[14:09:32] <helixhelix> Whats up guys
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• 1740[14:15:15] <plasmoduck_> How can I use my second nvidia card for dedicated PhysX?
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• 1743[14:15:46] <tp43_> oh wait ssh, already does show last login info
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• 1746[14:16:02] <leachim6> hey folks
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• 1748[14:16:19] <leachim6> I'm looking to roll a non-free driver into a netinst image so I can deploy it on my network
• 1749[14:16:26] <leachim6> any idea of where I should put the files on the iso?
• 1750[14:16:58] <missmbob> does the firmware iso already have it? :P
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• 1752[14:17:13] <altyr> !firmware image
• 1753[14:17:13] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 1754[14:17:18] <leachim6> yeah it does
• 1755[14:17:28] <leachim6> but the problem is my IPMI can only load one ISO at a time
• 1756[14:17:36] <leachim6> so rolling it all into one ISO is the best solution
• 1757[14:17:38] <darkad> [failed] failed to start load kernel modules - replaced-url
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• 1759[14:17:46] <leachim6> and since it's only one package, I don't really want to build my own ISO
• 1760[14:17:56] <leachim6> it's the nic firmware, so it's sorta important for a netinstall
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• 1765[14:18:12] <leachim6> can I just drop the files into /firmware on the ISO?
• 1766[14:18:23] <srandon111> hello all, is there a way with apt to manage configure options before installing a package ?
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• 1768[14:19:30] <BluesKaj> srandon111: configure what?
• 1769[14:20:21] <altyr> leachim6: did you see what dpkg said?
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• 1772[14:21:21] <leachim6> oh hey look at that
• 1773[14:21:23] <leachim6> thanks, sorry.
• 1774[14:21:33] <rootkea> Hello! I've libidn2 installed on my system. But when I try to build a package depending on GnuTLS which in turn depends on libidn2 I get this configure message "Package libidn2 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libidn2.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable Package 'libidn2', required by 'gnutls', not found"
• 1775[14:21:48] <leachim6> altyr: I'm over here trying to do it the hard way
• 1776[14:22:47] <srandon111> BluesKaj: have you ever compiled a program ? or used USE FLAGS ?
• 1777[14:23:11] <srandon111> when you do ./configure BluesKaj you know that you can set different options for compilation
• 1778[14:23:17] <srandon111> and choose what to include or not
• 1779[14:23:34] <srandon111> for example i can install libopencv with support for GTK and without... how does apt install choose these flags ?
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• 1782[14:24:25] <rootkea> I searched for libidn2.pc but couldn't find it.
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• 1787[14:25:19] <missmbob> rootkea: you probably want to install libidn2-0-dev
• 1788[14:25:19] <BluesKaj> srandon111: I have compiled apps, but never tried using flags, sorry :-)
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• 1790[14:25:26] <missmbob> srandon111: no, apt doesnt touch those
• 1791[14:25:42] <rootkea> missmbob: I've installed that too. Sorry forgot to mention.
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• 1796[14:27:29] <mender27> srandon111: you should probably have a look at Debian's developer guide. The configure options you mention can be set statically in the configure script. Perhaps that's how it needs to be done?
• 1797[14:28:23] <altyr> rootkea: missmbob looks like it might be broken replaced-url
• 1798[14:28:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1803[14:30:55] <itsiam> srandon111: debian != gentoo ;) i think apt source and dpkg-deb may help you.
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• 1805[14:31:51] <leachim6> thanks for the advice, it worked perfectly
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• 1807[14:32:06] <leachim6> fracking broadcom....
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• 1815[14:35:11] <rootkea> altyr: As I said, I have installed the latest upstream version of GnuTLS which didn't throw any configure error about libidn2
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• 1818[14:35:56] <rootkea> judd: But now I'm trying to build a package depending on GnuTLS which in turn depends on libidn2 and that throws the above message
• 1819[14:36:15] <rootkea> altyr: ^
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• 1823[14:42:28] <darkad> [failed] failed to start load kernel modules - replaced-url
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• 1831[14:46:21] <altyr> rootkea: i'm that case I don't know. There still could be a version mismatch.
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• 1842[14:49:27] <altyr> darkad: are you using regular debian on a raspi?
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• 1849[14:53:29] <Cl0udN9ne> how do i update dpkg to include x86 support?
• 1850[14:53:37] <darkad> altyr: I'm usig debian pixel on ASUS netbook eee pc 4g 701
• 1851[14:53:53] <Cl0udN9ne> i do dpkg --add-architecture i386 but it says
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• 1853[14:54:04] <Cl0udN9ne> Odd number of elements in hash assignment at /usr/share/pkg-config-dpkghook line 30.
• 1854[14:54:13] <Cl0udN9ne> idk what to do
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• 1858[14:57:36] <darkad> altyr: with an atheros wifi taht doesn't work
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• 1860[14:58:00] <Cl0udN9ne> anyone?
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• 1862[14:58:04] <somiaj> Cl0udN9ne: what is the output of dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
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• 1864[14:58:51] <Cl0udN9ne> somiaj: its x86 and i386 written there
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• 1866[14:59:03] <somiaj> there is no x86 arch, remove that
• 1867[14:59:13] <Cl0udN9ne> how?
• 1868[14:59:17] <Cl0udN9ne> ok
• 1869[14:59:20] <somiaj> dpkg --remove-architecture x86
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• 1871[14:59:20] * dpkg fetches a wrecking ball and knocks down a few famous buildings. Architecture removed!
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• 1873[14:59:31] <altyr> darkad: haven't heard of pixel before, so I don't know about that. Your WiFi card might need additional firmware
• 1874[14:59:47] <Cl0udN9ne> somiaj: done
• 1875[14:59:54] <altyr> dpkg tell darkad about atheros
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• 1881[15:01:20] <darkad> altyr: the firmware package is installed but non loaded as module
• 1882[15:01:37] <darkad> altyr: and I don't know how to load the module
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• 1888[15:05:21] <altyr> darkad: then I don't know then due to the pixel thing being different. Maybe someone else does, if not try to ask a raspi/pixel channel
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• 1931[15:22:55] <tjt263> anybody used hostapd, with debian, to create a hotspot?
• 1932[15:22:56] <tjt263> or to share an internet connection with another device, wirelessly?
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• 1934[15:24:08] <teraflops> tjt263: sure, but that's not the way you ask things on a support channel
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• 1951[15:29:00] <tjt263> teraflops: are you saying you have some experience with it
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• 1953[15:29:58] <teraflops> tjt263: maybe, but you did not ask anything, apart from making a poll, that was my point
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• 1985[15:45:33] <sds_> Hi all o/
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• 2000[15:53:13] <tjt263> teraflops: do you have experience with it or not
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• 2013[15:57:38] <mmayorga> someone is mission someone elses's point : )
• 2014[15:57:39] <askz> hi, after many failed attempts "ufw allow ssh";"ufw allow 22/tcp". I get blocked every time out of my server. any ideas ?
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• 2023[16:03:15] <tjt263> mmayorga: i got the point, i am just trying to determine if it's worth explainig my problem here or not
• 2024[16:03:18] <tjt263> not much point unless somebody has experience with the topic in question
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• 2035[16:08:45] <tjt263> is Master & AP mode the exact same thing?
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• 2038[16:09:45] <sicelo> no
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• 2058[16:16:32] <tjt263> sicelo: oh. what's the diff?
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• 2072[16:21:17] <Free-NODE> hi guys
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• 2083[16:26:49] <srandon111> guy how can i change ./configure options for the installation of a .deb package ?
• 2084[16:27:24] <tx> srandon111: you download the source and compile it with the options you need
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• 2086[16:27:43] <tx> apt-get source <package>
• 2087[16:27:46] <ArchDebian> If the root user change my password (by "passwd" or directly in the "/etc/shadow") it can be able access my home directory encrypted with ecryptfs?
• 2088[16:27:57] <tx> and apt-get build-dep <package> to get the packages you need to build it
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• 2100[16:31:18] <jelly> ArchDebian: they can do that without changing your password, if you've unlocked it
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• 2104[16:34:14] <CarlFK> srandon111: you can make a file of settings that apt will use... somehow.. I do it for os install, pretty sure it can be done for single packages .. google.. found .. might help replaced-url
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• 2111[16:38:02] <ArchDebian> jelly: the partition is not mounted and is encrypted with eCryptfs, so I thought that even changing the login the root user cannot access the data, right?
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• 2148[16:55:59] <celyr> I'm having some issues to find out how was a specific package build
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• 2150[16:56:10] <celyr> how can I see that ?
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• 2154[16:57:56] <CarlFK> celyr: apt source grub (or whatever package you want)
• 2155[16:58:07] <CarlFK> then look in the debian dir
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• 2162[17:01:29] <celyr> CarlFK, there are a lot of things in the debian dir :P
• 2163[17:02:00] <CarlFK> celyr: yeah. packaging is complicated
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• 2166[17:02:46] <celyr> CarlFK, I was an slackware user so I'm not sure you got me with this one :P jokes aside... What should I look for ? I see no configure options there
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• 2171[17:03:42] <CarlFK> celyr: what package?
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• 2174[17:03:49] <celyr> bind9
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• 2182[17:06:17] <celyr> CarlFK, I did find out. I think it's the rules file in the debian directory
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• 2185[17:07:30] <CarlFK> celyr: you are on your way to being a packager :p
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• 2193[17:09:24] <celyr> CarlFK, too many requirements for me I really can't cope with them all
• 2194[17:10:06] <CarlFK> celyr: jk - I have been floundering for years.
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• 2197[17:10:45] <celyr> CarlFK, Also I really wouldn't be able to live with the fact that updates on stable are backported as patches rather than updating the packages to upstream version
• 2198[17:11:01] <celyr> I don't think that it's wrong, I know the reasoning behind that
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• 2200[17:11:27] <celyr> It's just that in that position I would say ok they added this this and it's not broken fixed that bug and this one ok let's commit
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• 2205[17:12:01] <celyr> So yeah, better avoiding it all :P
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• 2210[17:14:27] <tjt263> teraflops: here, i made a gist with all the details:
• 2211[17:14:28] <tjt263> replaced-url
• 2212[17:14:30] <karoto> hello friends
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• 2217[17:14:53] <karoto> i run debian 8, should i worry about my kernel version being outdated?
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• 2220[17:15:04] <Ralin3> no
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• 2225[17:17:15] <zykotick9> karoto: note, security fixes are backported to debian versions - so _just_ version numbers alone don't tell the security of debian stable packages.
• 2226[17:17:23] <karoto> <Ralin3> thanks friend (if that was the answer to my question)
• 2227[17:18:18] <karoto> zykotick9> good to know thank you friend
• 2228[17:18:46] <karoto> I just happened to debug an issue yesterday and someone suggested I should try to update kernel
• 2229[17:19:01] <karoto> i guess that was a terrible suggestion
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• 2231[17:19:19] <petn-randall> karoto: It depends on your issue if it was a good suggestion or not.
• 2232[17:20:11] <karoto> petn-randall> I can't send mail to server from desktop client
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• 2234[17:20:39] <celyr> karoto, this has 0 to do with kernel
• 2235[17:20:40] <karoto> I think I'll just stick to whatever jessie provides
• 2236[17:21:42] <karoto> celyr> i thought that much
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• 2239[17:22:03] <teraflops> hard to say without all the context
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• 2243[17:23:08] <karoto> btw who thought of such a sexy name for debian repo?
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• 2248[17:24:05] <tjt263> teraflops: was that to me? i added some details in the comments
• 2249[17:24:06] <celyr> karoto, it's just another toy story name, we have been plagued with that
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• 2252[17:25:16] <teraflops> tjt263: no it wasnt
• 2253[17:25:42] <karoto> oh, disappointment , I thought there was a much better story behind that name
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• 2262[17:27:36] <karoto> horrible
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• 2267[17:29:44] <celyr> karoto, I can only say that I fully agree.. but the distro is very good so well I'm happy that they failed there :P
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• 2270[17:30:21] <petn-randall> I guess you're doing a good job if your distro's user can only come up with the release name to complain about ... haha
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• 2272[17:31:36] <karoto> it's strange that my kernel is 3.14 I see on some source it should be 3.16, i just installed the image provided by my host... whatever
• 2273[17:32:08] <karoto> petn-randall> haha you could say that, debian is the best OS I have ever used
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• 2275[17:32:33] <karoto> i tried centos a few days ago... horrible
• 2276[17:33:56] <tjt263> teraflops: oh ok well, i made a gist with all the details re: my hostapd query
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• 2279[17:36:11] <karoto> next time i install a server i should probably upload an official image
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• 2327[18:03:28] <rohit> hey Guys, I am using a old hard disk with debian installation on a new machine. While booting from this disk I am getting a error saying /dev/disk/by-uuid/<> not found. Though I do see the disk being detected. How can I solve this?
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• 2345[18:12:05] <ecormier> hi all, I'm considering switching distros to debian, but I want to hardware test on my laptop before wiping my partitions for install. The problem is that the debian live cds do not support efi booting, please tell me there is a hacked iso somewhere with this feature?
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• 2349[18:13:27] <teraflops> ecormier: enable legacy mode for testing the iso?
• 2350[18:14:07] <ecormier> I'm not sure I have legacy mode.... I'll check on next reboot
• 2351[18:14:10] <zykotick9> ecormier: note, you might also run into a non-free wireless driver/firmware issue <- if you're planning on using wireless
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• 2354[18:14:54] <ecormier> zykotick9: how much of an issue, like I'll have to tinker, or it just won't work at all
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• 2356[18:15:18] <teraflops> idk if debian live comes with non free fw tbh I never used it
• 2357[18:15:21] <zykotick9> ecormier: i have no idea, i just doubt the debian live will provided it by default...
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• 2361[18:15:59] <ecormier> zykotick9: I'm not worried about that, I just want to check suspend, touchscreen, and touchpad and fans really
• 2362[18:16:28] <altyr> !firmware image
• 2363[18:16:29] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 2370[18:17:19] <zykotick9> ecormier: note, the <firmware image> is NOT a Live image, it's for installation only.
• 2371[18:17:29] <ecormier> I have a usb asix ethernet dongle I can use
• 2372[18:17:57] <ecormier> yeah, I'm not interested in installing until I know what I'm dealing with :)
• 2373[18:18:22] <ecormier> I just need an efi iso that will bring me into X
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• 2375[18:18:28] <mender27> ecormier: you could try a Debian-based distribution with a liveCD instead :).
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• 2377[18:18:33] <neilthereildeil> we are trying to use grub-mkdevicemap. but is that supported on the version of grub that comes with debian?
• 2378[18:18:50] <TomTomTosch> there are live images with non-free firmware too.
• 2379[18:18:58] <mender27> Yes, also that.
• 2380[18:19:00] <ecormier> mender27: will something like mint/ubuntu give me accurate hardware support ideas
• 2381[18:19:23] <mender27> ecormier: I think Mint/Ubuntu will give you rather complete hardware support ideas.
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• 2383[18:19:37] <ecormier> mender27: do they use the same kernel options?
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• 2385[18:20:07] <mender27> ecormier: this I don't know, but Ubuntu uses Debian's Testing/Unstable repositories, so it's likely.
• 2386[18:20:56] <ecormier> I'm a fairly knowledgable linux user, gentoo for the last 8 years, I'm just looking to spend less time on upkeep and debian seems to be the right fit for me
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• 2389[18:21:33] <ecormier> not interested in diving into the mint/ubuntu hemisphere :)
• 2390[18:21:37] <mender27> ecormier: in general I would say yes, but Debian's installation process isn't as straightforward as that of some other Debian-based distributions.
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• 2392[18:22:08] <ecormier> mender27: I've been installing by hand in a term for the last 8 years, I'm sure I'll be fine :)
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• 2394[18:22:27] <mender27> ecormier: sometimes it's a matter of missing firmware as you pointed out.
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• 2396[18:23:03] <ecormier> I do have a weird laptop though with newish hardware that I've been fighting with a bit in my custom kernels
• 2397[18:23:15] <mtn> ecormier: researching your hardware using the debian wiki should be quite helpful
• 2398[18:23:17] <mender27> ecormier: but since you've used Gentoo for such a long time, I think we might have a similar understanding of a live system :D.
• 2399[18:23:52] <mender27> ecormier: what specs does your laptop have? we might help you out with finding out hardware compat.
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• 2401[18:24:57] <ecormier> lspci: replaced-url
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• 2405[18:25:32] <ecormier> but theres also some weird stuff with keyboard/touchpad being on the i2c bus
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• 2408[18:25:42] <mender27> ecormier: what about the wireless or ethernet? can't see it there.
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• 2410[18:25:56] <neilthereildeil> i am in an emergency shell because i booted to the resuce mode from grub, and it mount / as RO. how can i remount as RW?
• 2411[18:26:01] <mender27> ecormier: ah, sorry, it's there, my bad.
• 2412[18:26:08] <ecormier> :)
• 2413[18:26:21] <mender27> ecormier: yeah, you definitely need firmware for the Atheros chip.
• 2414[18:26:22] <ecormier> not as bad as bcm, but not much better
• 2415[18:26:48] <mender27> ecormier: yes, I agree, bcm is trashy. Some Realtek drivers are a lot worse, though.
• 2416[18:26:56] <ecormier> in gentoo after building the kernel modules, I had to replace one firmware file from them to get it working
• 2417[18:27:41] <mender27> ecormier: in Debian you have both the broadcom-sta driver and the b43 fw cutter.
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• 2419[18:27:45] <mender27> need to run, hail o/
• 2420[18:28:01] <ecormier> :) fine if I had a bcm :)
• 2421[18:28:11] <ecormier> atheros
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• 2424[18:28:18] <backslash> hi
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• 2426[18:28:31] <ecormier> anyways, I'll try the legacy thing first
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• 2429[18:28:59] <ecormier> however, I would LOVE to try it the same way I'll run it (efi boot)
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• 2435[18:29:29] <ecormier> any problems with no sdX, it's all nvme here
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• 2441[18:31:42] <ecormier> also, does the net installer support encrypted root?
• 2442[18:31:56] <backslash> ecormier: it does.
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• 2445[18:32:18] <ecormier> sweet, I'm using lvm+dm-crypt atm
• 2446[18:32:25] <backslash> ecormier: with LVM, that is, if that's not an issue for you.
• 2447[18:32:31] <ecormier> nope
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• 2449[18:32:41] <backslash> then that should work i think.
• 2450[18:33:23] <ecormier> even if the installer didn't, I could do that before firing it up by hand, but convenient not to :)
• 2451[18:34:04] <ecormier> do I assume correct that default install has no X or DE?
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• 2454[18:36:04] <ecormier> in the mean time, I'll do some research and you guys might see me back here :)
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• 2458[18:36:55] <backslash> ecormier: uhm no
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• 2460[18:37:04] <backslash> ecormier: by default, desktop is enabled from the menu, i think
• 2461[18:37:21] <ecormier> ohhh? I'm going to be using awesomewm, so less is more for me
• 2462[18:37:23] <backslash> ecormier: you would have to explicitly disable here
• 2463[18:37:41] <ecormier> ok
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• 2465[18:38:30] <ecormier> later, thanks for the help
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• 2475[18:41:47] <ecormier> ah crap, no legacy boot, so that option is out
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• 2478[18:42:51] <ecormier> you guys really need a live/efi iso :)
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• 2543[19:19:40] <autofsck1> hi all, im having a very rare problem, X server restarts without notice and takes me to the login screen, i use lxde, how can i see what is going on
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• 2552[19:21:42] <Jubei> guys in debian jessie the MAC address, formerly shown as "HWaddr" in ifconfig, is now link/ether ?
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• 2554[19:22:37] <zykotick9> autofsckk: i'd start, by logging into a VT (ctrl+alt+F1) the verifying the ownership of .Xauthority in your home directory <- it should be your user and NOT root.
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• 2557[19:23:29] <zykotick9> autofsckk: oh sorry, nevermind - misread what issue you where having.
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• 2567[19:29:10] <jhutchins_wk> Jubei: Just checked, mine still says HWaddr
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• 2570[19:29:30] <Jubei> jhutchins_wk !/? :) This means you have the ipconfig program on your box?
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• 2573[19:29:50] <Jubei> jhutchins_wk A fresh install of jessie does not apparently.
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• 2575[19:29:59] <Jubei> I meant ifconfig*
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• 2578[19:30:07] <Jubei> oh I do
• 2579[19:30:09] <jhutchins_wk> Jubei: Oh, no, ipconfig is Windows. ifconfig is Linux.
• 2580[19:30:14] <Jubei> I just needed to be sudo :)
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• 2582[19:30:27] <Jubei> doh!
• 2583[19:30:31] <jhutchins_wk> Jubei: ifconfig is a pretty standard low-level package.
• 2584[19:30:31] <zykotick9> autofsckk: you might want to check the Xorg logs for any hints... /var/log/Xorg.0.log maybe. best of luck.
• 2585[19:30:50] <jhutchins_wk> Jubei: Actually, for reading the info it's just the path - /sbin/ifconfig as a regular user works.
• 2586[19:30:55] <autofsckk> zykotick9: i already did that, but cant find anything useful really
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• 2588[19:31:26] <Jubei> jhutchins_wk I'm not sure I got that last one.
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• 2591[19:31:44] <Jubei> jhutchins_wk what do you mean "it's just the path <path> as a regular user works." ?
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• 2605[19:36:10] <Guest94-ru> тишина
• 2606[19:36:16] <greycat> !ru
• 2607[19:36:17] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
• 2608[19:36:56] <Guest94-ru> bla bla bla
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• 2649[19:57:38] <jhutchins_wk> Jubei: /sbin is not in the path for the regular user, but it is in root's path. If you speciffy the path, you can execute the program to show settings, but you can not change settings.
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• 2652[19:58:00] <Jubei> ah i see! thank you
• 2653[19:58:03] <Jubei> jhutchins_wk thanks.
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• 2655[19:58:25] <jhutchins_wk> Jubei: If you echo $PATH and sudo echo $PATH you will see they are different. $PATH is the list of places the shell looks for executable programs.
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• 2671[20:08:03] <ZitZ> hi, when i configure global shortcuts, so that I can move and resize windows with my keyboard, the arrow keypresses get sent to the application I'm trying to move or resize, instead of to kwin to move or resize the window
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• 2674[20:10:08] <somiaj> ZitZ: what window manager are you using?
• 2675[20:10:16] <ZitZ> kwin
• 2676[20:10:27] <ZitZ> i'm all kde/plasma
• 2677[20:10:29] <somiaj> I don't know kwin, is this part of kde?
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• 2679[20:10:38] <ZitZ> yep
• 2680[20:11:03] <somiaj> so you have configured a short cut in KDE settings but it isn't working when the mouse is over the window?
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• 2683[20:11:32] <somiaj> a kde specific channel maybe more useful, but the window manager/desktop enviroment should be able to take the events and act with them, unsure why it is not.
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• 2687[20:12:08] <ZitZ> it works, so let's say i need to press Alt-M to move a window with the arrow keys, the window moves, but it also sends those arrow key presses to the window i'm moving too, which is really annoying
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• 2689[20:12:40] <ZitZ> yeah, for some reason, this channel always answers me and the other ones never do. :)
• 2690[20:13:03] <ZitZ> i have some luck with #linux sometimes
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• 2692[20:14:23] <somiaj> hmm, unsure, kde seems to be passing the events on to the window after it intercepts them. Might want to check if kde can configure this or not.
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• 2694[20:14:53] <ZitZ> that's a good point, i should see if they have a setting for that
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• 2697[20:16:07] <ZitZ> what's going tob e annoying is, say this is a bug, first i'm going to have to figure out if it's debian or upstream, then I have to figure out what component it is in, Plasma, or Kwin
• 2698[20:16:16] <ZitZ> where should i go next if #kde doesn't answer?
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• 2700[20:16:47] <somiaj> Unsure, kde may have better support over some forum or mailing list
• 2701[20:16:50] <ZitZ> if i file the debian bug report, once again, which package?
• 2702[20:16:57] <somiaj> since I don't use it, I'm unsure on the details.
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• 2704[20:17:24] <somiaj> I woudl think kwin handels the bindings, but you could just file it against kde, the matainers are usually fairly good about redirecting bugs to correct packages.
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• 2706[20:17:53] <ZitZ> i'll probably go that route
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• 2740[20:35:11] <kolnpole> how i can install drivers in deb
• 2741[20:35:17] <kolnpole> i ran lshw
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• 2743[20:35:33] <kolnpole> i can see many devices "UNCLAIMED"
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• 2748[20:36:32] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: What release? Which kernel? What bus are the devices on? How did this Debian get installed?
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• 2750[20:37:28] <kolnpole> jhutchins_wk, i installed today by downloading disk image of latest jessie and booting in usb
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• 2752[20:37:53] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: Full desktop environment or minimal install?
• 2753[20:38:15] <kolnpole> full , with gnome
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• 2755[20:38:42] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: If you do lspci -nn, and the devices are identified, then you have the drivers. I'm not that familiar with lshw, but it could just be items that aren't currently in use.
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• 2758[20:40:22] <somiaj> the kernel may not detect newer hardware and thus it could be the kernel didn't load any module for the device (I think that is what unclimed means)
• 2759[20:40:55] <somiaj> or the moduels are blacklisted, you could see if a backport kernel helps if it is hardware you need access to, as that helps support newer hardware on jessie
• 2760[20:41:48] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: You're right, "Unclaimed" means no driver loaded.
• 2761[20:42:05] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
• 2762[20:42:06] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
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• 2765[20:42:49] <kolnpole> jhutchins_wk, wait a sec leme send u screen shots of lshw and lspci
• 2766[20:43:00] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: pastebin text if you can.
• 2767[20:43:11] <jhutchins_wk> !paste
• 2768[20:43:11] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 2769[20:43:14] <kolnpole> somiaj, how i can do that
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• 2771[20:43:29] <somiaj> kolnpole: is there any hardware in paticular that isn't working, I would worry more about that than just the output of those commands.
• 2772[20:43:42] <somiaj> !bpo kernel
• 2773[20:43:43] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
• 2774[20:43:45] <somiaj> kolnpole: ^^
• 2775[20:44:13] <somiaj> kolnpole: but identify one of the hardware components that isn't working, and focus on that, you'll get better support that way
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• 2778[20:44:57] <kolnpole> replaced-url
• 2779[20:45:45] <kolnpole> replaced-url
• 2780[20:45:58] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: That looks good, everything is recognized.
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• 2783[20:46:12] <kolnpole> wifi not working .
• 2784[20:46:23] <kolnpole> this is the main issue which i can recognize
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• 2786[20:46:37] <kolnpole> rest of missing drivers are listed in lshw
• 2787[20:46:48] <somiaj> kolnpole: do you know what intel graphics driver that has? Is it skylake or somethign like that?
• 2788[20:47:15] <towo`> update-pciidc could help
• 2789[20:47:18] <towo`> grr
• 2790[20:47:19] <somiaj> kolnpole: how old is this laptop -- rough date?
• 2791[20:47:22] <towo`> update-pciids could help
• 2792[20:47:37] <kolnpole> somiaj, you mean what is hardware in the pc?
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• 2794[20:48:04] <towo`> and it looks like very recent hardware
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• 2796[20:48:07] <kolnpole> its new i bought a month ago its my brothers i convinced him to install debain and delete windows
• 2797[20:48:08] <somiaj> kolnpole: just wanting a rough age, I'm seeing things that a newer kernel (and some firmware) from jessie-backports should fix, but not positive on the hardware. But i'm guessing that laptop's hardware is about 1-2 years old?
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• 2799[20:48:19] <towo`> so the need of backports kernel + fimware could be nessesary
• 2800[20:48:37] <kolnpole> wait a sec leme send u the laptop models
• 2801[20:48:44] <somiaj> kolnpole: the newer kernel from jessie-backports plus some firmware should fix most those issues. I can't say for certain, but that is the first place to start, then we can start looking at specific hardware issues after that.
• 2802[20:48:55] <somiaj> kolnpole: yea you gave enough info, get a backport kernel first
• 2803[20:49:08] <kolnpole> how i can do that?
• 2804[20:49:15] <somiaj> I already had the bot tell you how
• 2805[20:49:17] <somiaj> !bpo kernel
• 2806[20:49:17] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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• 2809[20:50:00] <kolnpole> what line i should put into the sources?
• 2810[20:50:04] <greycat> Oh, that reminds me... look for firmware messages in the kernel on this new box. Found one so far: i915/skl_dmc_ver1_26.bin
• 2811[20:50:06] <somiaj> most likely you need to 1) add jessie-backports to your sources.list, 2) apt-get update, 3) apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64
• 2812[20:50:24] <somiaj> !jessie backports
• 2813[20:50:25] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
• 2814[20:50:32] <towo`> and the firmware
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• 2816[20:50:52] <kolnpole> got it one sec
• 2817[20:51:07] <jhutchins_wk> ,pciid 8086:5916
• 2818[20:51:08] <judd> [8086:5916] is 'Unknown device' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
• 2819[20:51:21] <somiaj> ,v firmware-misc-nonfree
• 2820[20:51:22] <judd> Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2
• 2821[20:51:26] <greycat> Also, dmesg requiring root is moderately annoying. Reminds me of some commercial unixes.
• 2822[20:51:52] <somiaj> greycat: seems firmware-misc-nonfree in backports or stretch has the firmware.
• 2823[20:52:00] <greycat> somiaj: right, got it from judd already
• 2824[20:52:19] <somiaj> greycat: I agree with you, it is annoying I miss dmesg not requiring root. Now I have to use journalctl
• 2825[20:52:25] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: You may be seeing a combination of too-new hardware and a bug in lshw. It says the memory controller is unclaimed, yet it's clearly working.
• 2826[20:52:28] <somiaj> at least let the systemd admin group be able to dmesg
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• 2828[20:52:53] <kolnpole> jhutchins_wk, hahah lol ya seems like
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• 2830[20:53:36] <kolnpole> i have put it on update with deb replaced-url
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• 2834[20:54:15] <somiaj> kolnpole: you may want to add contrib and non-free to that as your hardware most likely needs non-free firmware
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• 2837[20:54:26] <kolnpole> towo`, update-pciidc cmd not found
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• 2839[20:54:49] <towo`> update-pciids
• 2840[20:54:56] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: Read the directions on the backports page. You install specific packages from backportts, you don't just do a generic upgrade/update.
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• 2842[20:55:48] <kolnpole> u mean like deb replaced-url
• 2843[20:55:51] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: It's update-pciids and it needs sudo or root.
• 2844[20:56:02] <kolnpole> im logged in as root
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• 2846[20:56:18] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: Missing the s then.
• 2847[20:56:32] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: You should be able to type part of a command and hit tab to auto-complete.
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• 2852[20:57:40] <somiaj> kolnpole: yes
• 2853[20:58:02] <kolnpole> jhutchins, where i should put s?
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• 2856[21:00:37] <jhutchins_wk> update-pciids
• 2857[21:00:57] <jhutchins_wk> update- <Tab><Tab> will show you some interesting things.
• 2858[21:01:03] <greycat> ,pciid 8086:1912
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• 2862[21:01:04] <judd> [8086:1912] is 'HD Graphics 530' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 2869[21:03:40] <greycat> Xorg.0.log says it's using VESA right now, but everything I've done so far is working, so... *shrug*
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• 2874[21:07:59] <somiaj> greycat: I think the more modern xorg wants to use the modesetting driver for intel cards. the i915 module is now correctly loaded?
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• 2876[21:08:29] <greycat> somiaj: I'm not in the mood to shut down X and reboot at the moment. Maybe tomorrow I'll see. As I said, it's working well enough for now.
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• 2901[21:21:42] <Yutsa> Hello, it may not be the best place to ask, but I'm running Debian Testing and I'm wondering if there's a way to move gnome-shell-extensions in the toolbar. I mean change the position of each element in the toolbar
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• 2904[21:23:42] <mtn> Yutsa: not by default, but there may be an extension that allows you to do that
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• 2906[21:24:45] <Yutsa> Okay thanks ! Do you know if there's a Linux or Debian discord server somewhere ? I know it's a lot of IRC channels in this community though
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• 2908[21:25:48] <CarlFK> can I do this without touching fstab, just a mount command: "add to fstab: none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0" replaced-url
• 2909[21:26:10] <greycat> !chroot
• 2910[21:26:10] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 2911[21:26:17] <greycat> Hmm.
• 2912[21:26:58] <greycat> My Debian doesn't have shm in fstab, and yet, /dev/shm is mounted. So, what are you actually trying to do?
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• 2914[21:27:30] <greycat> And which release of Debian is this?
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• 2917[21:28:29] <CarlFK> debian installer, late_command runs ansible, which errors, and mounting dev/shm fixes
• 2918[21:28:45] <greycat> You are trying to run ansible INSIDE the installer?
• 2919[21:29:05] <CarlFK> yep
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• 2923[21:30:30] <CarlFK> here is the ansible error stack dump replaced-url
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• 2935[21:36:29] <NoMiddle_> Hello, how much is stable sebian sid?
• 2936[21:36:33] <greycat> CarlFK: stretch has a mount_shm function in /lib/init/mount-functions.sh
• 2937[21:36:50] <greycat> NoMiddle_: It's not.
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• 2942[21:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1760
• 2943[21:38:24] <NoMiddle_> is it a good brench for a comsumer desktop?
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• 2945[21:38:33] <greycat> No.
• 2946[21:38:35] <dax> sid is unstable, that's why it's called unstable
• 2947[21:38:40] <somiaj> NoMiddle_: define what you mean by stable? People use sid as their desktop, but one will need to know how to fix issues/bugs when they arise.
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• 2950[21:38:50] <dax> if you want a thing that is stable you probably should not use a thing called unstable.
• 2951[21:38:55] <greycat> Only an advanced Debian user should even THINK of running sid.
• 2952[21:39:02] <greycat> sid = unstable
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• 2954[21:39:25] <somiaj> NoMiddle_: sid will get bugs, it will constantly be changing, things that work one day may not work the next, if these are things you can live with...
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• 3027[22:15:04] <expert975> Just installed Debian 8 and Gnome and I'm having a very annoying problem: most windows don't seem to immediately update visually to what they should show whenever what's supposed to be shown by the window changes. For example: if I'm in rhythmbox scrolling a list of items using the keyboard arrows, sometimes when I press an arrow, the window does not display that change. But if I press it again, it's noticeable that the key was pressed twice. This odd behavi
• 3028[22:15:06] <expert975> or might also happen when I'm typing.
• 3029[22:15:08] <expert975> Any ideas on how to fix this frustrating bug?
• 3030[22:16:07] <mtn> expert975: could be the cpu is very busy or something to do with video driver
• 3031[22:16:16] <mtn> expert975: how much ram do you have?
• 3032[22:16:39] <expert975> My CPU seems to do nothing. I have 5GB RAM
• 3033[22:16:51] <somiaj> as suggested I would first check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what graphics drivers you are using. I would then check cpu ussage and ram ussage (swap can slow things down)
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• 3035[22:16:57] <mtn> expert975: 5 G should be fine
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• 3040[22:17:31] <expert975> Right now it's using 13MB out of 4G of swap
• 3041[22:17:38] <greycat> Also "lspci -nn | grep VGA" and see if you need a specific driver.
• 3042[22:17:39] <expert975> I'm using nvidia video driver
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• 3044[22:17:57] <somiaj> are you sure? What does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say about your driver?
• 3045[22:18:29] <expert975> Can I paste the output from command above? (should be just one line)
• 3046[22:18:51] <greycat> yes
• 3047[22:18:54] <expert975> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] [10de:1244] (rev a1)
• 3048[22:19:04] <greycat> ,pciid 10de:1244
• 3049[22:19:05] <judd> [10de:1244] is 'GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
• 3050[22:19:21] <greycat> (judd is not always correct about these things, but it's a starting point)
• 3051[22:19:51] <expert975> wait, what?
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• 3054[22:20:34] <expert975> Should I report information about my machine there?
• 3055[22:20:42] <expert975> Is this a driver problem?
• 3056[22:20:57] <Devastator> expert975 are you using nvidia's proprietary driver?
• 3057[22:20:57] <greycat> You still haven't told us what driver is being used according to /var/log/Xorg.0.log
• 3058[22:21:07] <expert975> Right, I'll check it out
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• 3060[22:21:38] <expert975> Do you want the full log?
• 3061[22:21:44] <somiaj> xvinfo and glxinfo can sometimes help with graphics/driver related info/issues
• 3062[22:21:50] <somiaj> expert975: it helps
• 3063[22:22:04] <somiaj> this way you don't hvae to guess what part is revelevent.
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• 3067[22:23:08] <alien3_> #debian-it
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• 3074[22:24:30] <expert975> Here is Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
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• 3079[22:25:06] <OnkelTem> Hi all
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• 3084[22:25:48] <expert975> I'm using nvidia driver
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• 3086[22:26:10] <expert975> I can't use noveau for more than 10 minutes. It freezes
• 3087[22:26:11] <greycat> certainly appears to be using NVIDIA
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• 3090[22:26:38] <OnkelTem> I need to build PHP 5.3 on jessie but it fails with the current libssl-dev (1.0.1). How to install an older openssl? Supposingly I need 0.9.8
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• 3100[22:30:48] <greycat> Hmm, rebooted, startx, it's still using VESA. Oh well. Maybe this machine just uses VESA and that's that.
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• 3104[22:31:54] <expert975> I'm back
• 3105[22:31:57] <somiaj> greycat: did the i915 module load?
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• 3107[22:32:13] <greycat> yes
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• 3111[22:34:20] <expert975> What command can I use to check the name of my motherboard?
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• 3113[22:35:34] <mtn> expert975: install inxi and the run: inxi -Fxxrz
• 3114[22:35:40] <mtn> expert975: lots of fun info
• 3115[22:35:47] <expert975> Thanks
• 3116[22:36:06] <expert975> cool info indeed :O
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• 3122[22:39:48] <expert975> Are you guys reading my log or something?
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• 3125[22:41:09] <mtn> expert975: paste what you got from the inxi command to dpaste.com and give us the link
• 3126[22:41:31] <expert975> -Fxxrz argument?
• 3127[22:41:39] <mtn> expert975: yes
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• 3129[22:43:27] <expert975> @mtn: replaced-url
• 3130[22:43:31] <somiaj> do you have xorg-xserver-modesetting or xorg-xserver-video-intel intalled greycat (And is this on jessie with backports)?
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• 3132[22:44:41] <greycat> somiaj: it's stretch, just installed today (as jessie netinst, then dist-upgrade), and ... let's see ... xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 and nothing with "modeset"
• 3133[22:45:26] <missmbob> really...what's that other package name supposed to be?
• 3134[22:45:35] <mtn> expert975: I see you are using a lot of ram. could it be possible you are using even more when these problems happen?
• 3135[22:45:48] <somiaj> greycat: the xserver-xorg-video-intel package says xsrever-xorg-video-modesetting should be used instead, maybe try removing xserver-xorg-video-intel and install xserver-xorg-video-modesetting to force that to be used instead of the older intel driver.
• 3136[22:46:30] <expert975> I'm using 35% of RAM. How is that a lot?
• 3137[22:46:34] <greycat> apt show says "N: Can't select versions from package 'xserver-xorg-video-modesetting' as it is purely virtual"
• 3138[22:46:34] <apt> greycat: what are you talking about?
• 3139[22:46:40] <somiaj> greycat: well should be used with cards with cards that are 2007 or newer.
• 3140[22:46:51] <somiaj> ,v xserver-xorg-video-modesetting
• 3141[22:46:52] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-modesetting on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.0-1; jessie: 0.9.0-2
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• 3144[22:47:17] <mtn> expert975: 1700 MB seems like a lot to me. I rarely get that high.
• 3145[22:47:22] <somiaj> greycat: hmm, it was renamed, sorry abou thtat.
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• 3147[22:47:34] <expert975> It's because I have about 10 tabs on firefox
• 3148[22:47:43] <mtn> expert975: you could also try using a newer kernel from backports. it might help.
• 3149[22:47:57] <expert975> How do I get that done?
• 3150[22:48:09] <mtn> !backports
• 3151[22:48:10] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 3152[22:48:12] <somiaj> greycat: hmm, seems xserver-xorg-video-modesetting is now built in, unsure if removnig the intel driver would help detect the built in modesetting driver or not.
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• 3154[22:49:20] <somiaj> greycat: do you see anywhere in the xorg log file it tries to use the modesetting or intel driver and fails to then fall back to vesa?
• 3155[22:49:40] <`Kevin> expert975: perhaps input lag rather that video related?
• 3156[22:49:46] <greycat> [ 1970.677] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting
• 3157[22:49:55] <expert975> Might be, not sure
• 3158[22:50:00] <greycat> [ 1970.678] (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
• 3159[22:50:04] <greycat> [ 1970.678] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting"
• 3160[22:50:14] <greycat> (not contiguous; cherry picked)
• 3161[22:50:32] <`Kevin> expert975: do you see lag when inputting in a terminal, eg typing
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• 3163[22:51:08] <expert975> Not when typing, it happens the same way as windows
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• 3165[22:51:09] <greycat> Which is odd, because /dev/fb0 does exist.
• 3166[22:51:14] <expert975> I'm usng gnome-terminal
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• 3170[22:52:34] <somiaj> greycat: do you have a file /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf that enables modeset=1 for the module?
• 3171[22:52:54] <greycat> /etc/modprobe.d/ is empty
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• 3181[22:55:27] <expert975> mtn: I'll try the backport. Do you think it will solve the problem of cause more?
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• 3184[22:56:10] <mtn> expert975: only one way to find out ;) not likely to cause more problems, and you will still be able to boot with the older kernel, too
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• 3186[22:57:03] <somiaj> greycat: on my system under dmesg I see [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20160919 for 0000:00:02.0 on minor 0 followed by fbcon: inteldrmfb (fb0) is primary device -- so the i915 is setting up /dev/fb0 as the primary framebuffer device which it seems the modesetting driver needs
• 3187[22:57:40] <somiaj> I also see i915 0000:00:02.0: fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device
• 3188[22:57:47] <greycat> [ 3.518592] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20160919 for 0000:00:02.0 on minor 0
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• 3190[22:58:02] <greycat> yes, the other line also
• 3191[22:58:17] <somiaj> so does /dev/fb0 exist? Do you just need to add yourself to the correct group for it?
• 3192[22:58:29] <greycat> As I said, /dev/fb0 is *present* so I don't understand why Xorg says No such file or directory.
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• 3194[22:58:55] <somiaj> ahh missed, that here it is crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 Apr 10 14:28 /dev/fb0 -- I assume you are in the video group?
• 3195[22:58:57] <expert975> !debian-backports
• 3196[22:58:57] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 3198[22:59:09] <greycat> I'm in the video group, which has access to it. And even if I weren't I would expect EACCES not ENOENT
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• 3200[23:00:00] <expert975> mnt: I've added jessie-backports to my sources.list. What should I install?
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• 3202[23:00:27] <mtn> expert975: the kernel. not sure of the exact package name
• 3203[23:00:38] <mtn> ,kernel
• 3204[23:00:38] <missmbob> linux-image-amd64
• 3205[23:00:38] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
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• 3207[23:01:10] <mtn> expert975: did you see what missmbob said?
• 3208[23:01:18] <expert975> Is that it?
• 3209[23:01:26] <expert975> Will that get me the backport?
• 3210[23:01:27] <mtn> expert975: yes, what missmbob said
• 3211[23:01:43] <mtn> expert975: follow the instructions the bot told you about
• 3212[23:01:47] <somiaj> greycat: yea seems strange, no relevent bug reports...
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• 3214[23:02:11] <Zta> I'm trying to build a package from some random app. I want to properly fill in the Depends: section of my DEBIAN/control file. Is there a tool for this? I mean something that analyses (ldd) the binary and looks up the epoch version?
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• 3217[23:02:45] <expert975> mtn: Oh, so I should get the kernel from jessie-backports, not from main? Makes sense
• 3218[23:02:59] <somiaj> greycat: sounds like some strange voodoo there
• 3219[23:02:59] <mtn> expert975: yes, that is the idea ;)
• 3220[23:03:20] <greycat> I'm going to leave it because it's working.
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• 3225[23:05:15] <puffinz> Hello
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• 3229[23:06:10] <expert975> mnt: Do you know any CLI irc chat in case I get stuck after the reboot? xD
• 3230[23:06:19] <blackflow> irssi
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• 3235[23:08:19] <expert975> backflow: how do I connect to this server?
• 3236[23:08:56] <blackflow> expert975: irssi -c Freenode
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• 3238[23:09:17] <xp> backflow: Thank you :D
• 3239[23:09:28] <greycat> or "/con irc.freenode.net" once inside irssi
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• 3259[23:21:27] <xp> mtn: So, just booted into the new kernel (I think) and I can't start the desktop. What's up?
• 3260[23:22:33] <missmbob> you probably didnt install the headers with it so video driver didnt get built
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• 3265[23:23:25] <Zta> Is there a tool to list the dependencies of a binary in the same format that's used for listing dependencies of a deb package?
• 3266[23:23:48] <autofsckk> what is the point on having a so called "stable" system with the oldest versions if it isnt stable at all, im getting tired of this stuff really, ive been using arch for 8 years maybe and it works great compairing with debian
• 3267[23:23:56] <Zta> I want to package a binary that I compiled, but I also want to list its dependencies, ie. lib and version
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• 3276[23:27:51] <blackflow> autofsckk: what's unstable?
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• 3279[23:29:36] <autofsckk> blackflow: X crashes and i cant even find where to look for the problem, i couldnt find also how to save the display information so everytime y start i have to configure my monitors, the windows are so slow from time to time
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• 3282[23:30:39] <autofsckk> blackflow: the X crashing is not acceptable at all really
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• 3285[23:31:31] <expert975> Just booted into the new backport kernel and the desktop interface is not starting. How can I know what's going on?
• 3286[23:31:47] <Voldenet> is there any decent way to use script-generated config with nginx without having to actually rewrite the file or including from fusefs?
• 3287[23:31:49] <missmbob> expert975: install the headers from backports
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• 3292[23:32:14] <missmbob> like i already said :P
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• 3294[23:32:21] <jsuisunchat> How can I stop logging iptables messages to /var/log/messages?
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• 3296[23:33:43] <blackflow> autofsckk: which Debian? which gpu? which driver?
• 3297[23:34:05] <blackflow> Voldenet: what do nginx and fusefs have in common?
• 3298[23:34:26] <Voldenet> blackflow: i can use 'include "/fusemountpoint/file"'
• 3299[23:34:35] <blackflow> Voldenet: in what context? I don't get it...
• 3300[23:34:44] <Voldenet> in nginx.conf
• 3301[23:34:58] <blackflow> I see. so what exactly do you wish to achieve?
• 3302[23:35:03] <expert975> missmbob: how do I install this headers
• 3303[23:35:06] <expert975> ?
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• 3305[23:35:26] <missmbob> linux-headers-amd64
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• 3308[23:35:44] <Voldenet> blackflow: a webadmin for virtual domains, basically
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• 3310[23:36:00] <blackflow> Voldenet: so what's the problem?
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• 3313[23:36:34] <Voldenet> I don't want my script to generate any configs "on save", but instead generate configs on load
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• 3315[23:36:39] <Voldenet> (on nginx load)
• 3316[23:36:46] <blackflow> Voldenet: you're making zero sense. Save? Load?
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• 3318[23:37:08] <expert975> missmbob: what does linix-headers-amd64 do?
• 3319[23:37:29] <missmbob> expert975: install that package so your video drivers compile to match your new kernel
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• 3321[23:37:47] <autofsckk> blackflow: debian 8 lxde, Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03), driver=i915
• 3322[23:37:50] <Voldenet> blackflow: Whenever I edit some domains with some web admin, I need to re-renerate /etc/nginx/dynamic.conf file
• 3323[23:38:08] <expert975> missmbob: I must get it from jessie-backports, not main, right?
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• 3325[23:38:15] <missmbob> expert975: right
• 3326[23:38:24] <Voldenet> blackflow: I'm using "include /etc/nginx/dynamic.conf" now and it works, but i wondered if I could replace it with some magical "generate-script /binary" instead of include
• 3327[23:38:34] <blackflow> Voldenet: doesn't sound like debian default, probably that "web admin" doing
• 3328[23:39:01] <Voldenet> Obviously it's not default, it automates things that aren't automatic. :P
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• 3331[23:39:22] <blackflow> Voldenet: I still don't get it what you wish to achieve. You define the config, include what has to be included, and reload the service.
• 3332[23:39:30] <blackflow> if somethign changes, you change specific file, reload the service.
• 3333[23:40:11] <blackflow> Voldenet: you can include from a dir/* and then just drop a file for new site and reload
• 3334[23:40:16] <jsuisunchat> How can I stop logging iptables messages to /var/log/messages?
• 3335[23:40:37] <jsuisunchat> It's logging in to files -.-
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• 3337[23:40:49] <Voldenet> blackflow: I want to generate the config from binary on nginx "reload"
• 3338[23:41:00] <blackflow> "from binary"?
• 3339[23:41:32] <Voldenet> I want nginx to run my "/root/generate-config" script that'd spit out the file containing the included config
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• 3341[23:42:01] <blackflow> autofsckk: the xorg log should be in /var/log/Xorg.1.log, and if it isn't, check ~/.local/share/xorg/ for the file, I don't remember at which point the switch was made
• 3342[23:42:11] <mutante> sounds like you want the other way around. make generate-config reload the server after changing config
• 3343[23:42:18] <mutante> not generate-config on reload
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• 3345[23:42:28] <blackflow> Voldenet: not possible, afaik, but you can have a common script that calls your binary and reload nginx
• 3346[23:42:28] <mutante> Voldenet:
• 3347[23:42:33] <yoyo_> hi
• 3348[23:42:47] <autofsckk> blackflow: i already looked at xorg file but found nothing usefull, havent look at the .local folder, let me see
• 3349[23:43:01] <mutante> Voldenet: why don't you add the 'nginx reload' command to your generate-config at the end?
• 3350[23:43:14] <blackflow> autofsckk: also check dmesg and journalctl -p err
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• 3352[23:43:42] <autofsckk> blackflow: nothing is in .local, nothing on dmesg too
• 3353[23:43:44] <Voldenet> mutante: well, now I use inotifywatch with file-based db and ./generate-config > /etc/nginx/dynamic.conf
• 3354[23:43:57] <Voldenet> It works fine, but hm, I doubt it's elegant :P
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• 3356[23:44:32] <blackflow> Voldenet: so just add service reload to that
• 3357[23:44:51] <teraflops> Voldenet: of course is elegant
• 3358[23:45:45] <blackflow> autofsckk: without any logs or messages from the kernel, I have no idea how to proceed.
• 3359[23:45:47] <Voldenet> well yeah, it's moderately elegant, but "just reloading a nginx" would be an another level of elegant :P
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• 3361[23:46:03] <Voldenet> no prob though, I can live with current config, thanks
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• 3363[23:46:57] <autofsckk> blackflow: neither do i, thats why i feel so frustrated jajajajaja i mean, i usually detect the problem and solve it myself or know how to find the solution on forums, but this have me suffering since i installed this os like 2 weeks ago, my first time using debian
• 3364[23:47:32] <blackflow> autofsckk: I had issues with intel drivers but those were always hard resets, not just X crashing
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• 3368[23:48:09] <blackflow> it's a bit unusual that a process would crash like that without a trace. you sure there isn't even a segfault noted in the logs?
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• 3371[23:48:30] <autofsckk> blackflow: this looks like a reset but it takes me to the login console, is there a way to get rid of that and just start from console with startx?
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• 3374[23:49:29] <blackflow> autofsckk: technically yes, I suppose you could boot into multi-user.target (aka runlevel 3) and then try startx from there
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• 3376[23:51:01] <autofsckk> i think ill just reinstall arch again :S
• 3377[23:51:30] <notmike> Everytime I try to use Debian I end up installing Arch.
• 3378[23:52:18] <blackflow> good luck!
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• 3380[23:53:00] <autofsckk> i dont like arch anymore because it is going the bubuntu way and i hate that, but i know that os pretty well now
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• 3382[23:53:07] <expert975> Installed the kernel backport and the problem persists, windows are still laggy :(
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• 3384[23:54:02] <missmbob> expert975: you can drive the nvidia drivers from backports, too
• 3385[23:54:21] <missmbob> expert975: try* the
• 3386[23:54:31] <`Kevin> autofsckk: to use startx instead, systemctl set-default multi-user.target
• 3387[23:54:39] <`Kevin> autofsckk: replaced-url
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• 3391[23:55:26] <autofsckk> thanks
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• 3393[23:55:40] <expert975> I'll try that
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