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• 28[00:20:52] <irc3k> listen..
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• 31[00:21:31] <rick8024> Hello. When do I use apt-get, when dpkg and when aptitude? It seams I don't understand the difference of those.
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• 33[00:22:28] <Papillon> typically you just use apt, apt install sudo
• 34[00:22:30] <zykotick9> rick8024: don't forget about the new kid on the block, apt.
• 35[00:22:31] <irc3k> rick8024: apt-get to get stuff from the debian repo.
• 36[00:22:48] <Papillon> if you've downloaded a package, say, an nvidia .deb driver, then you might use dpkg
• 37[00:22:49] <irc3k> dpkg when you're installing packages that you've downloaded from a browser or a CD or something.
• 38[00:22:50] <dpkg> irc3k: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
• 39[00:23:01] <irc3k> dpkg: eat a dick
• 40[00:23:02] * dpkg eats a dick, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP*
• 41[00:23:07] <irc3k> uhm k.
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• 43[00:23:22] <somiaj> rick8024: dpkg is rarely used but is the core package manager. apt/apt-get/aptitude can be used interchangably. They have slightly different logic, but do most the same things. Most choose apt, some choose aptitude as their default
• 44[00:23:23] <irc3k> rick8024: and aptitude IS apt-get, they're not different.
• 45[00:23:38] <somiaj> irc3k: they are different. aptitude has different logic. Aptitude also contains a curses gui
• 46[00:23:45] <zykotick9> irc3k: they _are_ different. the resolvers are different...
• 47[00:23:51] <irc3k> oh ok
• 48[00:24:09] <mcintosh> aptitude is supposed to be "higher" level but almost everyone I know passes on using it
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• 50[00:24:45] <mcintosh> aptitude and apt-get may not be the exact same, but they're usually used in the same context/for similar purposes - as opposed to dpkg
• 51[00:24:50] <irc3k> doesn't it bother you that you're working as a community here, helping out others, contributing, coding etc.. while some MONKEY out there rape and live on tax money? serious question. Demotivating, I don't want to do FOSS anymore with people like that around.
• 52[00:24:53] <somiaj> mcintosh: aptitude is generally slower than apt, and in most cases will come to the same solution. aptitude can help in some situations apt can't figure out (but sometimes apt can figure out thigns aptitude can't)
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• 54[00:25:18] <mcintosh> somiaj: that's pretty vague but fair :p
• 55[00:25:27] <rick8024> thank you guys. That makes things clearer :)
• 56[00:25:51] <somiaj> mcintosh: /msg dpkg why apt-get then why aptitude why not apt-get why not aptitude. Gives some more differences. In the end it is mostly personal choice, there are just some cases one will work better than another.
• 57[00:26:01] <somiaj> irc3k: that is off topic here. Please stick to debian support.
• 58[00:26:05] <Papillon> maybe that's why gnome keeps getting worse and worse and worse irc3k
• 59[00:26:09] <TomTomTosch> aptitude has a neat search syntax that apt lacks.
• 60[00:26:35] <somiaj> mcintosh: it is nice to have both around, and aptitude has some more advance search capabilities, and a curses gui.
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• 77[00:35:21] <psychoticwarrior> hey whats up
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• 80[00:35:43] <Papillon> not much
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• 82[00:36:57] <MrGopherTeeth> MAN WHAT THE FUCK
• 83[00:37:06] <teraflops> clam down
• 84[00:37:19] <Papillon> ping monster requires sacrifices
• 85[00:37:27] <somiaj> MrGopherTeeth: do you have a debian support question?
• 86[00:37:37] <MrGopherTeeth> My apologies, dear Lord.
• 87[00:37:40] <MrGopherTeeth> What was I thinking.
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• 117[00:58:13] <tempate> Hello
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• 121[01:02:30] <Papillon> hi
• 122[01:02:33] <tempate> I have a port running quickbooksrds and I am not being able to close the service
• 123[01:03:01] <tempate> I have tried using netsant to get the process and stop it but I am not being able to stop nginx.conf
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• 126[01:04:00] <Papillon> you might try asking in ##linux
• 127[01:04:11] <tempate> right, sorry
• 128[01:04:34] <Papillon> no, I'm just saying you might have better luck
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• 131[01:05:42] <tempate> Lets see...
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• 139[01:12:07] <buu> So... I had a cifs/smb server go away while I had a share mounted from it now when I do ls /share I get "no such device", how do I tell linux that I really don't want it mounted anymore?
• 140[01:12:20] <buu> oh, -f
• 141[01:12:24] <buu> hurray
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• 143[01:12:37] <psychoticwarrior> jerk noob 2000
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• 146[01:13:50] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, debian support issue?
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• 165[01:25:21] <Kiril> hello all
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• 167[01:25:34] <Kiril> u just did dpkg-reconfigure locales
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• 169[01:25:52] <Kiril> root now has a proerply set locales but /home/user still don't
• 170[01:25:59] <Kiril> what is needed?
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• 178[01:32:15] <somiaj> Kiril: you may have to logout/logback in to reset the variables, or just export LANG=whatever
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• 187[01:36:45] <Kiril> yea :)
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• 205[01:50:42] <esdwdftty> Hello. Who knows Debian 8.7 supports MPS 1.4 (1995). I install on VMWare Player (2011) v. 6.5, in VMWare Player in bios max MPS 1.4 and i see new Linux debian and based on debian not have restart. When i do restart VMWare Player freeze. 12 Ubuntu on this version VMWare Player restarted normally
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• 208[01:54:15] <esdwdftty> no not 12 Ubuntu, 10 Ubuntu
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• 211[01:55:03] <esdwdftty> 12 Ubuntu not use
• 212[01:56:31] <Papillon> whatever it is I doubt it's mps. Debian almost certainly supports it and mps is somewhat vestigial. It's not used anymore, acpi has replaced it
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• 219[02:05:15] <esdwdftty> with ACPI I know, but in the BIOS vmplayer 6.5 only MPS 1.1, 1.4. I don't know why not have normally restart a new version of Linux on vmplayer 6.5. I thought maybe this is due to old MPS.
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• 221[02:06:00] <xcko> I'm struggling with getting bitmap fonts working. I've installed some to /usr/local/share/fonts as .pcf.gz, enabled bitmap fonts through dpkg-reconfigure, and ran fc-cache -fv yet they do not show up in xfontsel. What am I missing?
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• 232[02:09:55] <xcko> file permissions of the fonts are 644, as specified in the wiki
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• 258[02:26:24] <zh1> replaced-url
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• 270[02:42:21] <Huck_Fumble> hello. does anyone know if there's a way to view all the system calls made when running mount
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• 272[02:42:35] <jeldr_> hi dears!
• 273[02:45:23] <abrotman> Huck_Fumble: strace ?
• 274[02:45:32] <Huck_Fumble> im not sure
• 275[02:45:58] <Huck_Fumble> i can try that. i'd basically like something to make it super verbose so i can see if it's executing something i'm trying to execute
• 276[02:46:13] <Huck_Fumble> i'll look into using strace
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• 301[03:12:00] <eldebrim> Hey
• 302[03:12:13] <dvs> ho
• 303[03:13:11] <Huck_Fumble> hi, if strace isnt installed on a debian system how can I track what calls the mount command is making
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• 323[03:32:31] <d3f4alt> heyo
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• 328[03:36:22] <n-iCe> d3f4alt: hi
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• 381[04:35:25] <DHowett> this is likely a great mailing list topic, but: why is Debian stuck on netatalk-2?
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• 402[05:00:01] <Epakai> DHowett: #685878 indicates there were some copyright issues in previous versions that may not be reported or resolved upstream. doesn't look like the maintainers have the time to handle it
• 403[05:00:02] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 405[05:00:21] <DHowett> Epakai: ah, thank you
• 406[05:00:26] <DHowett> I should have done my own digging :/
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• 577[07:45:54] <reev> Hi which package of strongswan has mschapv2 authentication for debian squeeze ?
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• 598[08:05:14] <bitfawkes> hello
• 599[08:05:20] <bitfawkes> can I ask for a question?
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• 604[08:06:20] <somiaj> bitfawkes: just ask
• 605[08:07:00] <bitfawkes> I m trying to get gui application of vmware from server on local with ssh -x
• 606[08:07:44] <deepcyan> not a good idea imo bitfawkes
• 607[08:08:01] <jelly> which gui app?
• 608[08:08:03] <bitfawkes> could tell me why deepcyan?
• 609[08:08:33] <deepcyan> I tried it a long while back and it didn't work
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• 611[08:08:58] <deepcyan> the times it did work it was amazingly slow
• 612[08:09:02] <bitfawkes> vmware workstation jelly
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• 615[08:09:13] <bitfawkes> I m trying in the past deep and it works
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• 618[08:09:49] <bitfawkes> I get this error
• 619[08:09:54] <bitfawkes> (vmware-modconfig:3286): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:11.0
• 620[08:10:14] <bitfawkes> server is running in runlevel 2 5
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• 622[08:12:36] <deepcyan> hmm
• 623[08:12:57] <jelly> bitfawkes: do you have an X server running on the client side, the machien you're ssh-ing from?
• 624[08:13:00] <deepcyan> usually one of -x or -X word
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• 626[08:13:05] <deepcyan> *works
• 627[08:13:35] <bitfawkes> on local I have normal desktop of ubuntu
• 628[08:13:40] <deepcyan> of course a running x server is required
• 629[08:13:49] <jelly> bitfawkes: which debian release or OS do you have on ssh client and on ssh server?
• 630[08:13:50] <bitfawkes> on server ubuntu minimal
• 631[08:14:03] <bitfawkes> both 14.04
• 632[08:14:24] <jelly> then you want to ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
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• 634[08:15:45] <jelly> and I think the option was capital -X yes
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• 636[08:16:13] <deepcyan> yes one enables forwarding and the other disabled
• 637[08:16:22] <deepcyan> *disables it
• 638[08:16:35] <deepcyan> forget which is which
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• 742[09:10:04] <jojo3> Hey. So I'm re-installing my debian and gonna use apt-transport-tor instead of the standard way to get the packages.. however, if I don't want to use apt-get from debian to get the apt-transport-tor package, what would be the safest way to get the package?
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• 757[09:13:06] <Ragav_> I have installed debain without desktop environment :: Now I want to install LXDE to it. Uisng apt-get install lxde :: In that i want to install revommended packages but i do not want suggested packages. what should i do
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• 762[09:15:30] <mzs114> Ragav_: afaik, installing via apt-get will not install recommended packages
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• 767[09:17:46] <somiaj> mzs114: it won't install suggested, by default it will (and should) install recommended packages
• 768[09:18:09] <somiaj> Ragav_: those de metapackages contain everything that is considdered the full de, if you don't want everything the metapackage provides, look for more core metafiles
• 769[09:18:38] <somiaj> Ragav_: lxde-core may be more what you are wanting, just the core enviorment.
• 770[09:19:32] <Ragav_> somiaj: will look at this
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• 772[09:22:47] <mzs114> thanks for clarifying somiaj, I mixed suggested with recommended
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• 805[09:36:19] <veek> anyone use pulse with firefox and alsa
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• 811[09:38:58] <veek> replaced-url
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• 825[09:49:52] <nkuttler> veek: just ask your real question
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• 827[09:52:01] <vvande> maybe next veek
• 828[09:52:24] <veek> i'm trying to get pulse to work.. i have to start it up via systemd but i get Successful su for pulse by root
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• 830[09:52:36] <veek> + ??? root:pulse
• 831[09:52:46] <veek> pulseaudio.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
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• 833[09:53:32] <veek> of course once i cfg that.. i still need to get audio to work .. mplayer -ao pulse gives nothing
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• 838[09:54:39] <nkuttler> nothing?
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• 840[09:55:04] <nkuttler> fwiw, pa likes to randomly mute channels, check with alsamixer
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• 843[09:55:19] <veek> AO: [pulse] 44100Hz 2ch floatle (4 bytes per sample) is what i see with mplayer
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• 846[09:56:14] <veek> ah it was muted thanks
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• 855[09:59:38] <hiya> My debian laptop won't open any of the encrypted disks that it created only
• 856[09:59:42] <hiya> what should I do now?
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• 913[10:38:04] <ghormoon> hi, any idea why I can do ssh ip 'screen -d -m' but not ssh ip 'screen -d -m slack' if I can do screen -d -m slack if I first login and then start the command? the screen won't start at all, there's no error if I redirect the output to file, it most likely doesn't even try to strt it
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• 916[10:40:28] <veek> is there a way to start pulseaudio as root but drop privileges
• 917[10:40:39] <veek> it doesn't start as 'pulse'
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• 924[10:43:53] <deepcyan> if I remember correctly pulse audio config files have a way to supply which user to run as?
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• 929[10:46:36] <ghormoon> well, for me in default it does run under pulse if I run it from root shell, so there have to be :)
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• 932[10:47:55] <veek> root 2763 1.2 0.4 100732 8200 ? S<l 15:17 0:00 pulseaudio -D
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• 934[10:48:20] <ghormoon> what about --system -D?
• 935[10:48:34] <ghormoon> because default will be under the user that runs it
• 936[10:49:23] <babilen> Why would one want to start it as root only to force it to grop privileges?
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• 938[10:50:01] <veek> i login as root but su - veek -c browser; however mplayer runs as root
• 939[10:50:01] <babilen> Or rather: What exactly should be changes about the way it work right now?
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• 941[10:50:37] <veek> i'd like it to work like alsa.. any user gets to play audio
• 942[10:50:48] <ghormoon> --system -D and add the users to pulse group
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• 945[10:51:15] <veek> i get warnings when i enable --system and then it doesn't work
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• 947[10:51:28] <ghormoon> do you have the user in pulse group?
• 948[10:51:31] <ghormoon> root needs to be there too
• 949[10:51:35] <ghormoon> I had this issue back then
• 950[10:51:35] <veek> pulseaudio --system --disallow-exit --disallow-module-loading
• 951[10:51:35] <ghormoon> :)
• 952[10:51:42] <veek> yep
• 953[10:52:01] <babilen> Also edit /etc/pulse/client.conf as per /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian
• 954[10:52:04] <veek> oh hmm one sec
• 955[10:52:27] <Danielss89> Hey. I'm trying to open a port only for a specific ip-address, but i think i might be doing something wrong. It is port 11300 and this is what i have now: replaced-url
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• 957[10:52:43] <babilen> I will also resist the urge to ask you why on earth you are logging in as root ;)
• 958[10:52:49] <Danielss89> I want the port to be open to localhost and 88.99.56.45
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• 960[10:53:28] <Danielss89> so i did iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 88.99.56.45 --dport 11300 -j ACCEPT
• 961[10:53:31] <ghormoon> the order of rules seems wrong, drop in the middle
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• 963[10:54:00] <Danielss89> oh, didn't know the order was important
• 964[10:54:19] <ghormoon> it is, if it matches the drop, it will nto process other rules
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• 966[10:54:52] <ghormoon> basically first matching rule applies, either accept or drop, it won't process the rest
• 967[10:55:01] <Danielss89> ok
• 968[10:55:10] <Danielss89> let me try to fix that
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• 970[10:55:37] <veek> how do i start pulseaudio as 'pulse'
• 971[10:55:46] <veek> preferably via systemd
• 972[10:56:12] <Danielss89> ghormoon hm, i just dropped " all -- anywhere anywhere" by a mistake
• 973[10:56:21] <veek> i can't su no shell
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• 975[10:56:41] <embrik> I have installed debian jessie on a laptop for my friend. I am from Norway and he is Polish. I found it difficult to install in Polish, because I wanted to install and do some tweaks on the laptop after installing. Now I want to change language to Polish in order to give him a better gui. I've tried to google it, but I find it a bit difficult. Coud anuyone of you just guide me through it. I guess there are som commands to be written...
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• 979[10:58:07] <babilen> embrik: Run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and ensure that polish locale(s) are generated. Also make sure to install appropriate i18n packages for all software that ships them separately. Users can pick the language they want to use in the display manager (e.g. gdm3)
• 980[10:58:27] <babilen> embrik: Please see replaced-url
• 981[10:58:40] <embrik> babilen: thanks
• 982[10:59:10] <veek> Ooo ok working
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• 987[11:01:53] <veek> pulse 2856 0.7 0.4 100596 8172 ? S<l 15:28 0:00 pulseaudio -D --system --disallow-exit --disallow-module-loading but how do i get mplayer -ao pulse to work
• 988[11:02:06] <veek> AO: [pulse] Init failed: Connection refused
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• 995[11:03:23] <zxd> hi
• 996[11:03:24] <zxd> find . -iname Makefile -execdir echo {} \; , find: ‘...': Too many open files
• 997[11:03:28] <zxd> having this issue
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• 999[11:03:55] <wildpenguin> hello, what could be the possible reason for random freezing of Debian Jessie?
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• 1001[11:04:14] <wildpenguin> Especially when playing videos on youtube or other sites
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• 1009[11:07:52] <ikonia> wildpenguin: probably the same as the problems you've had on ubuntu playing vides
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• 1011[11:08:05] <ikonia> swapping the distro won't magically fix it
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• 1014[11:08:47] <wildpenguin> ikonia, how r u?
• 1015[11:08:51] <ikonia> fine
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• 1018[11:10:15] <wildpenguin> is that random freezing due to something in firefox browser?
• 1019[11:10:27] <ikonia> unlikley
• 1020[11:10:29] <ikonia> as I've said, it's likley the same problems you've had in ubuntu
• 1021[11:10:39] <toli> Hello, we have an issues with MS Hyper-V and Debian since couple of years now. After a Windows backup the FS gets corrupted, but this is not every day. We have installed all the updates, also all related software for the hyper-V into Debian. Ubuntu solved this issue 2 years ago, but I see no bug track for Debian related: replaced-url
• 1022[11:11:14] <wildpenguin> but, this distro is based on Debian stable.
• 1023[11:11:38] <ikonia> wildpenguin: ubuntu was marked as "stable"
• 1024[11:11:38] <babilen> wildpenguin: Do you get those problems on different hardware also?
• 1025[11:11:41] <ikonia> it's the same problems
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• 1027[11:12:21] <wildpenguin> the laptop I am using now is a brand new one.
• 1028[11:12:37] <wildpenguin> I never had this problem on Mint.
• 1029[11:12:41] <babilen> How brand new?
• 1030[11:12:43] <jelly> wildpenguin: what does "freezing" imply? Does the machine answer to ping? Can you log in via ssh? Can you switch to console with Ctrl-Alt-F1?
• 1031[11:12:53] <babilen> wildpenguin: And what exactly is happening?
• 1032[11:13:11] <wildpenguin> it stops responding suddenly, entirely.
• 1033[11:13:27] <jelly> responding to what?
• 1034[11:13:34] <wildpenguin> nothing works. I have to press the power button to shut it down.
• 1035[11:13:49] <jelly> wildpenguin: Does the machine answer to ping? Can you log in via ssh?
• 1036[11:13:51] <wildpenguin> mouse and keyboard stop responding.
• 1037[11:13:51] * themill looks at "based on Debian stable" a bit more closely
• 1038[11:14:02] <wildpenguin> jelly, no.
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• 1041[11:15:41] <toli> If any one with experience, Debian + Hyper-V, please help
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• 1048[11:18:45] <MaxFrames> hello
• 1049[11:19:20] <jelly> toli: which debian release? You'll want to file a bug report for the relevant package in debian, be it linux kernel or something else
• 1050[11:19:36] <MaxFrames> it turned out my problem with live migration failing in hyper-v with a debian guest had nothing to do with the guest OS
• 1051[11:20:31] <MaxFrames> it was a trivial issue with the hypervisor itself. for the record, live migration is completely transparent to the guest so it has to work regardless of the guest OS version/presence of tools on the guest side
• 1052[11:20:40] <meldron> hey guys, if I want to run a service before the network gets started (rfkill unblock wifi), how can I use systemd to achieve this?
• 1053[11:20:42] <jelly> toli: if you're still on debian 7 (wheezy), try using the 3.16 kernel from wheezy-backports, see if there's any difference
• 1054[11:20:52] <MaxFrames> the only requirement is that the guest OS is supported at all, which debian (7 as well as 8) is
• 1055[11:21:02] <MaxFrames> now the machine migrates just fine =)
• 1056[11:21:42] <MaxFrames> debian 8 with hyperv-daemons will probably work better than 7, but the basic features are all available anyway
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• 1080[11:35:23] <Chrismeister> Hello, even though I specify a Private Key for my secure copy (scp) I get prompted for a password. Should this be?
• 1081[11:35:57] <Chrismeister> I was wrong. Forget what I said
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• 1110[11:49:46] <toli> MaxFrames, Thank you, I have debian 8 with kernel 3.16.36-1 on both with hyperv-daemons installed. sometimes I have 2 crash after backups per month, and sometimes they are 2 times per week :)
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• 1113[11:52:30] <toli> MaxFrames, you said there is nothing to do on the guestOS, but how does Ubuntu solves this then?
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• 1129[11:59:15] <MaxFrames> toli: actually I was just following up on my own issue of last week, for the benefit of anyone interested; I didn't read about your issue
• 1130[12:00:14] <MaxFrames> in my case I just had the problem that this debian VM was the only one failing a live migration, all the other VMs being Windows, so I thought the problem was that debian 7 did not support live migration unless using the backports kernel with the hyperv-daemons
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• 1132[12:00:43] <MaxFrames> so I decided to upgrade the VM to debian 8, and then I installed the daemons, but live migration was still failing
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• 1136[12:01:28] <MaxFrames> so I discovered that the actual problem was within the hypervisor.. I just had to refresh the VM configuration within the failover cluster manager snapin, and now live migration works _with debian 7_
• 1137[12:01:42] <MaxFrames> (I'd reverted to debian 7 using a backup since 8 didn't solve the issue anyway)
• 1138[12:02:37] <babilen> MaxFrames: Great! But .. why not keep Debian 8?
• 1139[12:02:38] <MaxFrames> the problem is that all this is really underdocumented... MS KB as well as Debian docs don't make the point clear that live migration is completely transparent to the guest. if the guest is supported in hyper-v then live migration has to work. period.
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• 1144[12:03:19] <MaxFrames> I did not keep 8 because I had a small problem with one package I was using, and I didn't bother trying to solve that as well, since the only reason I wanted to go from 7 to 8 was live migration
• 1145[12:03:32] <MaxFrames> maybe you can help me with that problem though
• 1146[12:04:10] <babilen> I would assume that you would want to upgrade that box to 8 at one point in the future anyway
• 1147[12:04:16] <MaxFrames> I have xrdp + fluxbox installed, so when I connect via (x)rdp I get the fluxbox window manager
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• 1152[12:05:07] <MaxFrames> well, in the fluxbox session I was unable to launch the synaptic gui. when I started it from the fluxbox menu, after the sudo prompt if would not launch (unable to open the display)
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• 1154[12:05:29] <dunderproto> Can someone point me to where I can find redistributable Traditional Chinese fonts?
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• 1157[12:05:44] <MaxFrames> possibly there were other similar problems in fluxbox. I just happened to notice the issue with synaptic.
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• 1159[12:05:58] <babilen> dunderproto: I quite like the arphic ones
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• 1162[12:06:57] <dunderproto> Thanks. I'll check it out
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• 1183[12:13:24] <toli> thanks MaxFrames
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• 1187[12:15:03] <MaxFrames> yw
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• 1189[12:16:07] <MaxFrames> toli: so your debian 8 guests are crashing after a backup job runs on them?
• 1190[12:16:19] <MaxFrames> what are you using to back them up?
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• 1194[12:16:57] <toli> MaxFrames, I am using the Windows backup :)
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• 1196[12:18:08] <MaxFrames> hyper-v single node or cluster?
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• 1198[12:19:02] <rdococ> I installed squeak smalltalk through synaptic. I assume I need a squeak image, but idk where I can find one.
• 1199[12:19:11] <toli> MaxFrames, Single node
• 1200[12:19:42] <MaxFrames> I am not aware that windows backup can make a backup of live hyper-v guests
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• 1203[12:20:07] <toli> MaxFrames, Yes it does :) it uses shadow copy
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• 1207[12:21:21] <rdococ> I could try to wine it, then take the .image file that I presume would be present in the wined version, and use it in the native version
• 1208[12:21:41] <rdococ> that's if wine can take 32-bit windows applications
• 1209[12:21:44] <rdococ> idk if it can
• 1210[12:21:53] <rdococ> (I have a 64-bit OS)
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• 1219[12:24:45] <it0> Hi everyone, hope you're doing all fine :)
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• 1225[12:25:56] <userro> 32-bit applications should be able to run on 64bit os
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• 1264[12:43:36] <jelly> toli: first, try the latest 3.16.39-1 kernel. If that does not fix the issue, use reportbug to file an issue for linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 package, and mention the ubuntu bug(s) you think are relevant
• 1265[12:43:51] <jelly> dpkg, tell toli about reportbug
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• 1267[12:44:37] <jelly> amazingly, a distro can fail to fix bugs when noone tells them about it
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• 1269[12:45:14] <Poltergiest> which is the better display manager? dgm3, kdm or light dm
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• 1274[12:45:54] <babilen> gdm3
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• 1276[12:46:05] <jelly> sddm!
• 1277[12:46:27] <Poltergiest> why do you think gdm3 is better ?
• 1278[12:46:31] <babilen> Why not?
• 1279[12:46:37] <babilen> Better at what, exactly?
• 1280[12:46:59] <Poltergiest> which is the more customisable
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• 1282[12:47:19] <Poltergiest> im just loading up debian and its askijg which display manager i want
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• 1284[12:47:38] <babilen> Sorry, I don't care much about DMs
• 1285[12:47:55] <babilen> jelly seems to be excited enough about sddm to include an exclamation mark
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• 1287[12:48:20] <Poltergiest> lol
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• 1289[12:48:48] <h3r3tic> Hello guys, I am in serious need of some help.
• 1290[12:49:31] <jelly> babilen: I just hate everything gnome
• 1291[12:49:49] <jelly> !ask
• 1292[12:49:49] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1293[12:49:50] <babilen> Do you need a gnome plushy to squeeze?
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• 1295[12:50:22] <jelly> can't, plush makes me wheezy
• 1296[12:50:31] <Poltergiest> what you mean plushy to squeeze?
• 1297[12:50:54] <jelly> it was an apt verb to use.
• 1298[12:51:01] <Poltergiest> my desk top environmnet is usually xfce4 . i think that uses lightdm
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• 1300[12:51:21] <h3r3tic> !ask Scenario: is it possible to change the format of a partition example, ext4 to xfs with OS still on one partition?
• 1301[12:51:22] <dpkg> okay, h3r3tic
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• 1303[12:51:48] <babilen> dpkg: forget ask Scenario:
• 1304[12:51:48] <jelly> dpkg, forget ask Scenario:
• 1305[12:51:48] <dpkg> i forgot ask scenario:, babilen
• 1306[12:52:35] <Poltergiest> dw i just selected gdm3
• 1307[12:52:47] <babilen> h3r3tic: You mean change the underlying filesystem without moving the data?
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• 1309[12:53:08] <jelly> h3r3tic: if it's a partition used by said OS, then no, you need to backup, reformat, and restore
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• 1311[12:53:40] <h3r3tic> babilen yes
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• 1314[12:55:18] <h3r3tic> @jelly Thanks. I needed to confirm that
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• 1439[14:02:09] <JotaMG> Hi! when debian strech will be launched?
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• 1443[14:02:58] <rudi_s> JotaMG: When it's ready - which is when all release-critical bugs are fixed.
• 1444[14:03:01] <bezaban> Stretch will be released when it's finished :) There is a pool taking bets on release dates
• 1445[14:03:31] <bezaban> but it is in freeze and I would guesstimate within Q2
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• 1447[14:03:40] <JotaMG> ok, but it's months away or years??
• 1448[14:03:40] <bezaban> this year :P
• 1449[14:04:00] <JotaMG> ok thanks
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• 1451[14:04:12] <bezaban> stretch freeze
• 1452[14:04:14] <bezaban> ,stretch freeze
• 1453[14:04:20] <bezaban> or something. bah.
• 1454[14:04:27] <bezaban> !stretch freeze
• 1455[14:04:27] <dpkg> Stretch is frozen as of 2017-02-05; see replaced-url
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• 1458[14:04:37] <judd> Wrong bot. You want dpkg.
• 1459[14:04:57] <Stummi> JotaMG, heres your indicator: replaced-url
• 1460[14:05:17] <Stummi> if the last number reaches 0, you get the release
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• 1463[14:07:33] <JotaMG> nice!
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• 1486[14:19:00] <julius_> hi
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• 1489[14:19:43] <julius_> anyone seen a network juse die after 12 years? it still shows in lspci but loading the driver does not show it when runnning ifconfig. no red errors in dmesg
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• 1511[14:26:14] <jelly> julius_: 12 years is a good run
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• 1513[14:26:52] <Devastator> what is a juse?
• 1514[14:27:08] <meldron> hey guys, if I want to run a service before the network gets started (rfkill unblock wifi), how can I use systemd to achieve this?
• 1515[14:27:28] <jelly> Devastator: typo of either just or juice, you pick
• 1516[14:27:45] <embrik> I have installed debian jessie on a laptop for my friend from Poland. I am Norwegian. You helped me earlier to choose polish as default language. Now I want to help him log on easy without having to write usernamn and password. Is that possible? Autologin? I've googled it, but I don't find the the propper how-to
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• 1520[14:28:38] <embrik> I have to do it in terminal, becasue now everything is in Polish, and I don't understand anything
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• 1523[14:29:39] <Devastator> jelly thanks
• 1524[14:31:04] <hicks_> embrik: Which desktop are they using and login manager? gdm/kdm/lightdm etc? For lightdm there's a config option, but I assume the other two support it too
• 1525[14:31:20] <embrik> hicks_: ldc?
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• 1528[14:32:21] <embrik> hicks_: lxde
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• 1538[14:36:40] <hicks_> embrik: I can't really help as I use xfce with lightdm for login and I'm not sure if lxde uses lightdm or not. If it does, you want to look at /etc/lightdm/lightdm.cong and set the autologin-user= part
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• 1561[14:52:26] <Artemis3> hicks_, easy: check replaced-url
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• 1569[14:55:24] <Artemis3> julius___, your nic might have failed, or it just need a bit of pushing / contact cleaning.
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• 1572[14:55:48] <cacalafolle> Hi there, wassup ?
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• 1575[14:57:35] <CppisME> hi
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• 1582[15:01:18] <Aebian> Why is there no command out there for just taking a file and putting its content into the clipboard without using any x-server (x11, xorg and whats so on) ? I tried to google for it but I cant find any solution for ._.
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• 1585[15:02:44] <Temb_Rev> Aebian: Do you mean something like xsel?
• 1586[15:03:06] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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• 1593[15:05:28] <Aebian> Temb_Rev: yeah kind of, for e.g. ( command file.php --> contents of file.php in users clipboard even trough remote ssh shell)
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• 1600[15:07:50] <themill> Aebian: which clipboard do you think you're adding it to?
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• 1603[15:08:20] <Temb_Rev> Aebian: haven't used it for quite a while, but it should be possible with xsel.
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• 1608[15:10:15] <Aebian> themill: idk I would use it for my debian esxi vm's so putty on windows is commonly used for that
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• 1615[15:13:20] <themill> I'd be a bit worried if a terminal session on one machine to do things like change your clipboard on another machine.
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• 1621[15:14:52] <dadinn> hi all
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• 1624[15:15:41] <dadinn> I am having some issues with systemd-fstab-generator not taking into account the x-systemd options in /etc/fstab
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• 1629[15:16:59] <BluesKaj> dadinn, for example ?
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• 1632[15:18:32] <dadinn> BluesKaj: boot fails, i am given a locked root prompt, and in the "systemd cat name.mount" the After/Require flags are missing
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• 1634[15:18:57] <dadinn> I am using options x-systemd.requires=, and x-systemd.after=
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• 1638[15:20:21] <BluesKaj> dadinn, maybe the manpage here will help replaced-url
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• 1641[15:23:49] <Aebian> Temb_Rev: I think I just need to setup a x-server on my windows machine and it will work. Any advice whats the choice for such?
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• 1649[15:26:52] <dadinn> BluesKaj: I have been reading through that page, but the problem is according to it, x-systemd.requires= should generate a .mount unit with After= and Requires= , but in my case I don't see those in the systemctl cat output
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• 1653[15:28:15] <BluesKaj> dadinn, suggest you ask in #systemd
• 1654[15:28:32] <dadinn> ok, thx
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• 1659[15:29:46] <jhutchins> Aebian: GPM
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• 1661[15:29:57] <\\Mr_C\\> is it possible to create a symlink that can be accessed by ftp in debian?
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• 1665[15:31:25] <jhutchins> \\Mr_C\\: What are you actually trying to do?
• 1666[15:31:35] <jhutchins> \\Mr_C\\: ftp is generally a bad idea.
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• 1687[15:42:31] <teraflops> \\Mr_C\\: if you chrroot users you cannot use symlinks outside the user dirs
• 1688[15:43:05] <dadinn> BluesKaj: at #systemd they say I should be using 230+ version instead 215 in jessie
• 1689[15:43:06] <\\Mr_C\\> thank you
• 1690[15:43:13] <teraflops> \\Mr_C\\: so 1 avoid using ftp if you can, 2 setup ftp properly, 3 use bindmounts instead silly simlinks
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• 1713[16:00:44] <dadinn> BluesKaj: I have installed systemd version 230 from jessie-backports, and it seems to have solved the issue, 215 in debian jessie, seems to not generate mount unit files properly based on the fstab options
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• 1715[16:01:34] <dadinn> BluesKaj: actually checked it and verified 215 does not, 230 does generate correct mount unit files
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• 1724[16:03:18] <BluesKaj> dadinn, why are you trying to manage fstab thru systemctl , do you have special needs for your partitions/disks
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• 1728[16:03:36] <BluesKaj> ?
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• 1736[16:06:37] <Stoffl_> Hi! Is there a way to upgrade Debian 6 directly to 8?
• 1737[16:06:55] <Stoffl_> If not, no problem. But I have a question: What can be done, if packages are being held back even thou I tried to fix it using apt-get dist-upgrade -u?
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• 1740[16:07:19] <jelly> Stoffl_: no, the only supported way is one release at a time, and the procedure varies so you need to follow the release notes for each newer release
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• 1744[16:08:32] <Stoffl_> jelly, so would you upgrade or rather reinstall and start from new?
• 1745[16:09:26] <jelly> what I would do relies on my 20 years debian experience...
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• 1748[16:10:38] <jelly> Stoffl_: you're going to spend 2-4 hours on each release upgrade, that's without reading the docs
• 1749[16:10:47] <jelly> (witohut time spent reading the docs)
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• 1751[16:11:35] <jelly> if you've done dozens of 6->7 and 7->8 then it will lean on the 2 hours end
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• 1754[16:15:59] <jhutchins> Stoffl_: Did you already attempt to go from 6 to 8 directy?
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• 1758[16:16:20] <asarch> How can I get the list of the installed packages?
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• 1760[16:16:58] <jelly> Stoffl_: hard to say. Read carefully and provide ALL the info:
• 1761[16:17:01] <jelly> !bat
• 1762[16:17:01] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1764[16:17:35] * wreck_boo says hi
• 1765[16:17:52] <wreck_boo> hello i cnt seem to untar the linux kernel
• 1766[16:18:08] <wreck_boo> it shows tar failed due to previous errors
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• 1769[16:20:10] <TomTomTosch> wreck_boo: show us the whole command you used, please. also the first line of tar --version
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• 1771[16:20:46] <wreck_boo> command tar -xvf kernel-source
• 1772[16:21:19] <TomTomTosch> asarch: dpkg -l or aptitude search ~i
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• 1774[16:22:18] <jelly> wreck_boo: is there enough free space?
• 1775[16:22:21] <TomTomTosch> wreck_boo: kernel-source. where did you get that? that's not the format you get from kernel.org
• 1776[16:22:31] <BluesKaj> asarch, dpkg -l | grep '^.i'
• 1777[16:22:36] <wreck_boo> i just name it kernel source
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• 1781[16:23:19] <wreck_boo> i got it from apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r)
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• 1783[16:23:29] <wreck_boo> any help with tar?
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• 1786[16:24:18] <BluesKaj> asarch, for related package commands, replaced-url
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• 1800[16:31:41] <beernbhroy> where do i save my xrandr resolution settings xinitrc, ldm, profile .. does it even matter?
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• 1806[16:32:49] <wreck_boo> hello i cnt seem to untar the linux kernel
• 1807[16:32:54] <wreck_boo> it shows tar failed due to previous errors
• 1808[16:33:00] <teraflops> beernbhroy: I think it does. if you do startx go for ~/.xinitrc, if you do lightdm go for ~/.xprofile
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• 1840[16:50:30] <dadinn> BluesKaj: the reason I was using fstab because I have certain ZFS datasets which I prefer to use in legacy mount mode, and mount mount it myself, and fstab entries only work correctly if it has dependency that the pool is imported
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• 1847[16:52:12] <BluesKaj> dadinn, ok , I think I understand, never used ZSF so i'm not real familiar with it's management requirements
• 1848[16:52:32] <BluesKaj> err ZFS :-)
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• 1855[16:54:21] <Diggity> Hello... I just installed an application that uses nginx... I went to browse to my server on the configured port and received an error.. so then i went just on port 80 and received the apache welcome screen.. I did a systemctl status apache2 and saw that it was unloaded, and systemctl status nginx says that it is loaded... i then stopped nginx, and now no webserver should have been running,
• 1856[16:54:21] <Diggity> but i was still getting the apache welcome page... i did a netstat -ano and looked for port 80, there was nothing.. how is this possible? what should i check next?
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• 1861[16:55:44] <TomTomTosch> browser cache? try ctrl + shift + r
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• 1869[16:58:08] <beernbhroy> Diggity: netstat -tulpen is more accurate, also try telnet 127.0.0.1 80
• 1870[16:58:46] <teclo-> eah sockstats too
• 1871[16:59:09] <teraflops> well, you can use curl too…
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• 1873[17:00:03] <teraflops> but I'd check the browser is not using cached content first
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• 1899[17:15:43] <boxrick1> Hello guys, I have a simple NFS question. If I set up in exports /share/sharename1/subfolder/howdy but I want to mount simply IP:/howdy on my remote host. Is there any way of doing this easily?
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• 2020[18:04:33] <Sark> So, I'm kind of beating my head against a wall here, I'm attempting to get X to recognize that I have to graphics cards, since I want to set up dual monitors.
• 2021[18:05:06] <Sark> Both cards show up in lspci, but xrandr only sees one provider, and I don't see the other one detected in the xorg log.
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• 2023[18:06:09] <Sark> I actually have *three* graphics cards in lspci, since one is onboard, but I installed a second offboard one, fearing perhaps the computer's onboard video wouldn't be usable when an extra board was installed.
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• 2025[18:06:13] <Sark> I just don't know where to start
• 2026[18:06:19] <BluesKaj> Sark, optimus hybrid gpu system on a lapto?
• 2027[18:06:27] <BluesKaj> laptop
• 2028[18:06:37] <Sark> No, desktop, different cards.
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• 2030[18:07:19] <zykotick9> Sark: is one ati and one nvidia? what are the cards involved?
• 2031[18:07:39] <BluesKaj> did you disable the onboard in favour of PCI cards in the uefi/bios?
• 2032[18:07:50] <BluesKaj> Sark,^
• 2033[18:08:07] <Sark> The bios doesn't have an option to disable the onboard, it seems to automatically, since it reverted to the offboard card when installed.
• 2034[18:08:12] <Sark> Onboard video is ATI based
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• 2036[18:08:19] <Sark> But the cards are Nvidia and S3
• 2037[18:08:45] <zykotick9> Sark: S3 = good luck...
• 2038[18:08:46] <Sark> At the moment the nvidia card is primary, and is working in X flawlessly.
• 2039[18:08:49] <BluesKaj> S3?
• 2040[18:09:04] <Sark> I've used S3 cards plenty of times with Linux.
• 2041[18:09:13] <Sark> It's a Virge/DX
• 2042[18:09:23] <Sark> I know I've had X going on this card before.
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• 2047[18:10:11] <Sark> And I do have the X server driver installed for the S3
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• 2054[18:10:52] <Sark> package xserver-xorg-video-s3virge
• 2055[18:11:30] <Sark> The onboard is an ATI Rage XL, it shows up in lspci still, not sure if it's disabled or not.
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• 2085[18:19:25] <die7> /msg bots NOT people
• 2086[18:19:35] <Sark> Any ideas? I'm not even sure where I need to start - so much of the documentation is out of date.
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• 2088[18:19:55] <Sark> Is there something that needs to be done to get X to autodetect more than one graphics card?
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• 2091[18:20:19] <Sark> I don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf, as that's the default - so it should just detect? I'm not sure.
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• 2100[18:21:36] <die7> Sark: is it a hybrid card?
• 2101[18:21:52] <Sark> No. Two separate cards.
• 2102[18:22:07] <zykotick9> die7: no, it's ati (built-in), nvidia card and s3 card
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• 2105[18:22:20] <Sark> I'm not even attempting to use the ATI built in card though.
• 2106[18:22:29] <Sark> I am not sure if it's fully enabled, since I installed the offboard cards.
• 2107[18:22:47] <die7> Sark: you need a xorg.conf with two deffinitions
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• 2109[18:23:09] <Sark> Ah, OK, so that still is applicable? With everything these days, it points to not having an xorg.conf at all.
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• 2112[18:23:50] <die7> Sark: what's happend when you switch cabvel to other card and reboot? :)
• 2113[18:24:16] <Sark> Both cards are connected to monitors. The computer picks the nvidia as the default. I get nothing on the S3
• 2114[18:24:44] <die7> Sark: are you sure you have both enabled?
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• 2117[18:25:04] <Sark> What do you mean by enabled? They're installed boards. How would one be disabled or enabled?
• 2118[18:25:20] <die7> Sark: BIOS/UEFI
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• 2120[18:25:38] <Sark> BIOS doesn't have the option to disable individual PCI cards. Besides, it detects both of them and lists the interrupts.
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• 2124[18:26:28] <die7> Sark: then proceede with xorg.conf
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• 2126[18:26:44] <die7> Sark: you see it both with dmesg or lspci
• 2127[18:27:00] <zykotick9> Sark: regarding the s3, when you run "lspci -nn | grep -i vga" does it list the S3? if so, what is the pciid - looks like [8086:2a42]
• 2128[18:27:03] <Sark> yeah, I see both cards (actually, all three - even the onboard) in lspci.
• 2129[18:27:45] <Sark> 5333:8a01
• 2130[18:27:54] <zykotick9> ,pciid 5333:8a01
• 2131[18:27:55] <judd> [5333:8a01] is '86c375 [ViRGE/DX] or 86c385 [ViRGE/GX]' from 'S3 Graphics Ltd.' with kernel module 's3fb' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 2133[18:28:59] <zykotick9> Sark: does "lsmod | grep s3fb" return anything?
• 2134[18:29:13] <Sark> no
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• 2137[18:29:25] <Sark> It's the secondary card though, so the kernel framebuffer wouldn't necessarily be in use?
• 2138[18:29:41] <Sark> The nvidia is the one that's the framebuffer console and what X is using.
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• 2144[18:30:40] <jhutchins> Sark: The kernel module is used for Kernel Mode Switching on newer cards - not sure if that applies to an S3.
• 2145[18:30:49] <zykotick9> Sark: i got nothin' so best of luck. personally, i'd try getting that s3 thing going by itself (if it's possible) before you try and get multimonitor going. YMMV.
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• 2152[18:31:39] <die7> Sark: did you installed xserver-xorg-core & xserver-xorg-video-s3?
• 2153[18:31:57] <Sark> I have xserver-xorg-video-s3virge installed
• 2154[18:32:07] <Sark> and core
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• 2162[18:35:33] <die7> Sark: ok, then it will be Ok if you try to add them to xorg.conf, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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• 2175[18:37:04] <OS-19296> msg /NickServ identify Am17G1r1
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• 2177[18:37:12] <Sark> OK. Cool. Thanks die7 - I'll give that a shot
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• 2181[18:38:15] <die7> Sark: it wil create a default xorg.conf file you still need to add the both cards and monitor manually
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• 2184[18:40:58] <qqqqqqqqq9> Hi, when i run update-initramfs -u -v -k 4.9.0-2-amd64
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• 2186[18:42:08] <qqqqqqqqq9> the scripts in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts are executed. Is that normal or what am i doing wrong?
• 2187[18:42:22] <BluesKaj> OS-214078, wrong place to identify , use the server textbox and change your passwd because you just pulished it here
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• 2189[18:42:35] <BluesKaj> published
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• 2191[18:42:55] <julius___> Artemis3, will clean it later....but since it was working one day while connected and not the other without being touched i guess its dead
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• 2194[18:43:46] <hiya> Error unlocking /dev/sdc: Command-line `cryptsetup luksOpen
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• 2198[18:43:54] <hiya> I am getting this error trying to open an encrypted disk
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• 2201[18:45:11] <zykotick9> hiya: is it the same error as yesterday? does "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdc SDC" work? post your command and the output to paste.debian.org perhaps.
• 2202[18:45:32] <zykotick9> hiya: sorry, it's paste.debian.net BTW
• 2203[18:45:32] <hiya> zykotick9, I am tryng to use the disks app
• 2204[18:45:35] <hiya> or Files from GUI
• 2205[18:45:44] <hiya> Nautilus
• 2206[18:45:47] <zykotick9> hiya: oh, i'm no help then. best of luck.
• 2207[18:45:53] <hiya> ong :(
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• 2210[18:46:52] <hiya> zykotick9, OMG OMG it works :D
• 2211[18:46:55] <hiya> with GUI
• 2212[18:47:09] <hiya> with your command
• 2213[18:47:16] <hiya> but I have to grant it Admin password for GUI to open it
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• 2215[18:48:01] <asarch> I have the "foo" package, is there any way to know who actually needs it?
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• 2217[18:48:25] <zykotick9> asarch: "apt-cache rdepends foo"
• 2218[18:48:34] <babilen> "aptitude why foo" also
• 2219[18:48:41] <asarch> Thank you!
• 2220[18:48:46] <asarch> Thank you very much guys :-)
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• 2233[18:54:15] <hiya> zykotick9, my 4th i5 laptop with Intel HD graphics has gotten sluggish, so much that even the pointer freezes when I move it using touchpad and whole system is slow like even video call freezes my system for a few secs. Where should I start? I am using FDE and it is not SSD
• 2234[18:54:28] <hiya> Processor and RAM are barely used
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• 2244[18:55:44] <hiya> Should i disable touchpad and check if it is touchpad issue?
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• 2250[18:58:06] <zykotick9> hiya: sorry, i have no suggestions.
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• 2257[19:02:53] <pgrunwald> I need a VM environment to do some building and testing. I don't need low level access, just network. I'm on Deb 9 RC2, hardware is Dual E5520 w/ 16GB and plenty of disk. Any suggestions for a "recipe"?
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• 2266[19:05:27] <teraflops> you can run there any WM.
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• 2268[19:05:57] <pgrunwald> I'
• 2269[19:05:58] <Brigo> pgrunwald, even a container with lxc
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• 2271[19:06:27] <pgrunwald> I'm confused on VMware, VirtualBox, Xen, etc. there are a lot to choose from.
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• 2281[19:08:04] <pgrunwald> Hmmmm - lxc is interesting...
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• 2286[19:10:56] <Wulf> pgrunwald: vagrant may be the quickest option
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• 2297[19:13:25] <pgrunwald> re vagrant - use with virtualbox? replaced-url
• 2298[19:13:33] <Wulf> yup
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• 2302[19:17:19] <zykotick9> pgrunwald: just a sidenote, virtualbox won't be included in debian proper starting with stretch... replaced-url
• 2303[19:17:50] <Artemis3> pgrunwald, clearly qemu is the best xD
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• 2315[19:23:00] <pgrunwald> replaced-url
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• 2317[19:23:28] <somiaj> or just use libvirt or virtmanager if you want a gui to manage virtual machines over qemu-kvm
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• 2323[19:25:03] <pgrunwald> my server is headless and I don't have X installed. Just webmin, etc.
• 2324[19:25:23] <somiaj> you can still use libvirt, just use virsh from the command line
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• 2327[19:26:05] <somiaj> I was just mentioning virt-manager as a more virtualbox like tool to use to configure things (but I haven't looked into configuraging virtualbox from the command line)
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• 2329[19:26:35] <zykotick9> pgrunwald: you might want to see "/msg dpkg webmin"
• 2330[19:26:45] <somiaj> but libvirt via ssh gives you a nice way to configure/manage multiple vm's along with sets up vnc and the like.
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• 2341[19:29:14] <pgrunwald> re - webmin - don't mince words, how do you really feel?
• 2342[19:29:23] <Sark> OK, so, I wrote an xorg.conf, but I can't seem to specify a device by bus id, every time I do, it can't see it.
• 2343[19:29:23] <pgrunwald> ;-)
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• 2345[19:29:28] <sypher> pgrunwald: Nuke it from orbit.
• 2346[19:29:30] <Sark> I can't even specify the ATI this way.
• 2347[19:29:45] <Sark> When I do an lspci, I get a bus ID of 0a:07.0 for the video card.
• 2348[19:30:03] <Sark> I have tried all iterations of this in the BusID line in the device section, but nothing will make X find it.
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• 2350[19:30:17] <somiaj> Sark: do you check the Xorg.0.log file to determine what issues it has with the settings?
• 2351[19:30:18] <Sark> If I comment out the BusID portion, it'll find the primary card.
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• 2354[19:30:33] <Sark> yes. It can't detect the device.
• 2355[19:30:56] <somiaj> what driver are you trying to use? For what card?
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• 2361[19:31:57] <zykotick9> somiaj: re:Sark some background info - there are 3 cards: built-in ati, nvidia and s3. Sark wants the nvidia and s3 both working at the same time.
• 2362[19:31:59] <Sark> At the moment, the nouveau driver, for the Nvidia card.
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• 2365[19:32:32] <Sark> Right now, I'm just trying to write an xorg.conf that lets me use just the nvidia card, but manually specifying it. I can't even get that to work.
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• 2369[19:33:48] <Brigo> Sark, nvidia has a tool for writing its own xorg.conf files.
• 2370[19:33:50] <Azulflame> is there a known bug about the installer failing on the "installing packages" step?
• 2371[19:33:58] <somiaj> could it be some issue with modesetting? You do have both the radeon and nouveau kms modules loaded in the kernel at the same time?
• 2372[19:34:05] <Brigo> Sark, nvidia-xconfig
• 2373[19:34:34] <somiaj> Brigo: might not work for the nouveau driver though, I thought that was just for nonofree
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• 2375[19:34:46] <zykotick9> Azulflame: what install image are you using? how did you write it to the media (assuming usb)?
• 2376[19:34:47] <Sark> I don't have the binary driver installed, just nouveau
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• 2378[19:35:07] <Sark> I don't have a radeon.
• 2379[19:35:11] <Azulflame> zykotick9, attached the .iso (LXDE) to virtualbox
• 2380[19:35:13] <Brigo> somiaj, i just read Sark is faling with the nvidia driver configuration.
• 2381[19:35:26] <Sark> Right,I can make it work if I just delete the busID out of the xorg.conf
• 2382[19:35:38] <zykotick9> Azulflame: is this a Live image?
• 2383[19:35:41] <Sark> But I don't see why I can't specify it manually. Since I'll need to do that for the S3 card.
• 2384[19:35:42] <Azulflame> failed on both install and graphical install
• 2385[19:35:47] <Azulflame> zykotick9, installer
• 2386[19:36:02] <Azulflame> trying the Automated Installer (under grub's Advanced Options)
• 2387[19:36:05] <zykotick9> Azulflame: um. well, that all sounds good - so i have no explanation. good luck.
• 2388[19:36:33] * zykotick9 has no idea what the Automatied Installer is...
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• 2393[19:36:56] <Azulflame> "debian-8.7.1-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso"
• 2394[19:37:13] <somiaj> Sark: built in ati is most likely using the radeon driver.
• 2395[19:37:30] <Azulflame> downloaded from here: replaced-url
• 2396[19:37:32] <Sark> But the built in ATI is not evena radeon.
• 2397[19:37:36] <Sark> And I'm not trying to use it.
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• 2399[19:38:09] <somiaj> Sark: my comment was more wondering if you could load multiple kms modules at the same time, not the specifics of what card it is. Most ati's use the radeon driver so I assumed that wast he case.
• 2400[19:38:15] <zykotick9> Azulflame: your debian-8.7.1-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso sounds reasonable. i dunno... i don't have issues with netinst is all i can personally say.
• 2401[19:38:47] <TomTomTosch> Azulflame: you can switch to tty4 and check if there is more verbose output.
• 2402[19:38:49] <Sark> Yeah, only the nouveau kernel driver is loaded.
• 2403[19:38:52] <Sark> afaik
• 2404[19:39:04] <Azulflame> currently not failed on this install varient
• 2405[19:39:16] <Azulflame> 59% through "Installing and configuring software"
• 2406[19:39:23] <zykotick9> ?
• 2407[19:39:24] <Azulflame> *Select and install
• 2408[19:39:46] <Azulflame> Install and Graphical Install (from GRUB menu) both failed
• 2409[19:39:54] <Azulflame> but this one seems to be working
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• 2415[19:43:07] <die7> did I miss something in 8.7 since I can not make X11 forwarding from centos 6.8, it works between centos systems
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• 2418[19:44:11] <zykotick9> die7: do you mean across ssh or the old-x11 forwarding?
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• 2420[19:44:25] <die7> zykotick9: ssh
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• 2423[19:45:55] <zykotick9> die7: as far as i know, it only requires X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config <- i can't test, don't have any xorg stuff on my home server
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• 2425[19:46:34] <die7> zykotick9: it's already enabled
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• 2429[19:47:39] <zykotick9> die7: and your _sure_ it's sshD_config and not ssh_config right? ;)
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• 2432[19:47:56] <die7> zykotick9: yepp
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• 2435[19:48:45] <die7> zykotick9: like written between centos systems wotrks, but from debian 8.7 cleint to centos 6 not
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• 2437[19:49:57] <zykotick9> so it's a client issue? in that case it _is_ ssh_config
• 2438[19:50:29] <die7> zykotick9: in a ssh client is also enabled
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• 2441[19:50:33] <tempate> Hey
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• 2443[19:50:55] <zykotick9> die7: i got nothin' further to suggest. good luck.
• 2444[19:51:00] <tempate> What is the best way of creating a WIFI access point on Debian Jezzie?
• 2445[19:51:04] <die7> zykotick9: tnx
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• 2450[19:51:27] <tempate> I have follow some guides but none of them worked, can someone send me something up to date and fairly easy to do?
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• 2453[19:52:02] <Sark> Ok, I can get X to start with my xorg.conf, with the nvidia card. I've got the BusID commented out though.
• 2454[19:52:07] <Sark> I can't, however, get the keyboard to work.
• 2455[19:52:19] <Sark> so once X is loaded, I can't check xrandr to see if it sees the other card.
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• 2458[19:52:37] <Brigo> die7, try ssh -X (enabling X forwarding from command line)
• 2459[19:52:42] <Sark> But I don't think it does, since I get the error "No matching device section for isntance" when referring to the other card.
• 2460[19:53:00] <die7> Brigo: sur I do taht
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• 2462[19:53:02] <die7> *that
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• 2471[19:58:03] <Sark> Well, I'm frustrated. I need to walk away from this for a bit. I still can't get the keyboard to work if I use my xorg.conf
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• 2473[19:58:38] <Sark> Even removing all references to the keyboard don't let it work.
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• 2475[19:58:59] <Sark> I CAN,however, get the nvidia display working at the correct resolution and everything. Just, it still won't see the other card.
• 2476[19:59:11] <Sark> Here's what I've got so far - replaced-url
• 2477[19:59:23] <somiaj> with most common setups being automatically detected, knowledge of the xorg.conf file isn't what it use to be. Anyways my experience was the log file usually pointed me in the right direction in debugging issues with it.
• 2478[19:59:50] <somiaj> with xrandr you have to add providers, like --list-providers or something like that
• 2479[19:59:57] <Sark> Yeah - the log file seems to point to it not being able to detect the S3 card.
• 2480[20:00:11] <Sark> But, it's there. I even loaded the kernel framebuffer driver for it, and that loaded fine.
• 2481[20:00:14] <Voldenet> Sark: replaced-url
• 2482[20:00:15] <somiaj> also you shoudln't need such a big xorg.conf file, a lot of that stuff will be autodetected and not be put in your xorg.conf file.
• 2483[20:00:27] <Sark> Right, but it's NOT being autodetected.
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• 2485[20:00:50] <somiaj> also looks like you are forcing Xinemera, this may have trouble with RandR
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• 2487[20:00:52] <Voldenet> you seem lacking 'MatchIsKeyboard "True"'
• 2488[20:01:03] <somiaj> anyways, if you use a blank xorg.conf file what do you get?
• 2489[20:01:23] <Sark> If I use a blank xorg.conf, I get the nvidia display all working perfectly, with keyboard and mouse.
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• 2491[20:01:27] <Sark> Everything is fine.
• 2492[20:01:31] <babilen> ...
• 2493[20:01:33] <Sark> But I want to add a second monitor to the system.
• 2494[20:01:42] <Sark> THAT is why I'm messing with all this.
• 2495[20:01:45] <somiaj> Sark: have you tried to use xrandr to --list-providers to see if the other cards are visable?
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• 2497[20:01:53] <Sark> They are not.
• 2498[20:01:57] <somiaj> Sark: this is in the case it worked nicely.
• 2499[20:02:02] <babilen> And if you *only* add the nvidia configuration in a separate file in /etc/xorg.conf.d/ the keyboard stops working?
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• 2501[20:02:11] <Sark> correct, babilen
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• 2505[20:02:25] <Voldenet> Sark: why not generate your "working xorg.conf" with Xorg :0 -configure
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• 2509[20:02:37] <Voldenet> and then add the monitor?
• 2510[20:02:40] <babilen> Voldenet: Because that overgenerates horribly
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• 2512[20:03:03] <Sark> Voldenet: Because I did not know that was a thing.
• 2513[20:03:05] <Voldenet> I can imagine it just dumps the detected config
• 2514[20:03:27] <Voldenet> Which would be massive, but I never cared much as long as it worked.
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• 2516[20:04:08] <somiaj> Sark: so you want to use just the nvidia and the s3 card? Or all three?
• 2517[20:04:29] <Sark> oh, that's right, xrandr --listprovders doesn't actually work. I forgot about that.
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• 2520[20:04:43] <Sark> somiaj: Correct. I only want two monitors.
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• 2523[20:05:00] <Sark> I only added the S3 card because someone told me I shouldn't try to use onboard video and a plug in card at the same time.
• 2524[20:05:06] <Sark> lspci sees all three video cards.
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• 2530[20:06:01] <somiaj> Sark: I don't think that would be an issue, the nvidia card deson't have multiple monintor outputs on it? Anyways pick one of the cards, make sure you can load the modules correctly.
• 2531[20:06:07] <Sark> xrandr --listproviders does nothing, it just prints the usage.
• 2532[20:06:10] <somiaj> Sark: sure, but lets see what the kerel says about them.
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• 2539[20:07:18] <Sark> somiaj: What should I check, dmesg?
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• 2546[20:08:40] <somiaj> Sark: dmesg, also lsmod to see what modules are loaded. See if the module for the s3 or ati card are loaded. If the kernel isn't seeing the card, xorg won't be able to
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• 2548[20:09:54] <zykotick9> Brigo: re your "ssh -X ..." suggestion to die7, good catch - i feel silly for overlooking it. not sure if it worked, but still...
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• 2551[20:10:06] <Sark> I loaded the s3fb driver manually in an attempt to get it to work.
• 2552[20:10:18] <die7> zykotick9: still not
• 2553[20:10:37] <Sark> Don't see the kernel seeing either one of the cards - but, then again, I'm not 100% sure what to look for
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• 2555[20:10:47] <die7> zykotick9: it works also from m$ to centos system usnig putty xming
• 2556[20:10:50] <somiaj> Sark: kms drives will conflcit with framebufer drivers. Unsure if the s3 has a kms compabale driver of it it can be loaded nicely with the nouveau driver. Maybe something in dmesg will help.
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• 2558[20:11:19] <die7> zykotick9: something is wrong with my debian
• 2559[20:11:35] <somiaj> Sark: this is where I'm unsure, but with newer modesetting drivers and how they are tied into the kernel, I'm unsure how mixing drivers works. Espically with older cards like an s3. What ati card is onboard?
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• 2563[20:12:41] <asarch> Where is libgcrypt11 for Jeesie?
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• 2566[20:12:59] <Sark> replaced-url
• 2567[20:13:12] <zykotick9> somiaj: historically, ati & nvidia didn't like running together (with 3d) i have NO idea what recent hardware is like in that regard?
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• 2569[20:13:58] <Sark> I'm not trying to do 3D anything, I'd be happy with basic vesa framebuffer.
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• 2571[20:14:42] <zykotick9> Sark: i'm refering to issues from quite a while ago (not as old as that s3 card) but "a while ago" ;)
• 2572[20:14:58] <somiaj> Sark: framebuffers are a thing of the past, modesetting is what most drivers use now, and so I think this is partly were the issue lies.
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• 2577[20:16:01] <Sark> Hrm. Yeah - I mean, that is the problem, I've been using Linux for 20 years. The configuration schemes keep changing and all the docs go obsolete and the I get confused.
• 2578[20:16:04] <somiaj> anyways, if xrandr --listproviders is not seeing the other cards, I don't know what you are going to have to do to get things to play togehter nicely
• 2579[20:16:18] <somiaj> you may have to say use the nv driver which might work with other drivers.
• 2580[20:16:22] <Sark> xrandr --listproviders ust plain does not work, at all, period.
• 2581[20:16:34] <Sark> I just get the xrandr usage printed to the screen.
• 2582[20:16:39] <Sark> It doesn't recognize the command.
• 2583[20:16:51] <die7> zykotick9: after reading some docu I saw AddressFamily issue with ipv6, no after restart at least I see arning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding.
• 2584[20:16:54] <somiaj> Sark: even when you don't boot up with your xorg.conf and let it detect the defaults?
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• 2586[20:17:00] <die7> zykotick9: this looks like pam issue
• 2587[20:17:19] <Sark> Correct. That's how I've got it now, so I can use the keyboard.
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• 2589[20:17:35] <somiaj> Sark: are you running jessie?
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• 2591[20:18:21] <Sark> Not sure. I think I'm on Wheezy. Debian 7.
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• 2595[20:18:49] <somiaj> ahh, maybe --list-providers wasn't included in the wheezy version of xrandr, jessie is 7
• 2596[20:19:06] <somiaj> just one note, wheezy only has lts support, so desktop software such as webbrowsers are insecure and outdated.
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• 2598[20:19:46] <somiaj> I don't know if jessie would help in any way, but it might be able to better see the cards using more current tools like xrandr
• 2599[20:19:55] <Sark> Well, then I must be on Jessie then, if that is 7.
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• 2601[20:20:12] <Sark> The login prompt says Debian 7
• 2602[20:20:22] <sypher> That's wheezy.
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• 2604[20:20:43] <sypher> jessie is 8.x
• 2605[20:20:49] <Sark> Ah, OK.
• 2606[20:21:08] <somiaj> sorry yea jessie is 8, typo there
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• 2608[20:21:17] <zykotick9> Sark: try "xrandr --listproviders"
• 2609[20:21:19] <Sark> I installed Jessie on another box not that long ago, and I had some real problems with it. I haven't tried updating this box.
• 2610[20:21:36] <somiaj> anyways, I don't know if upgrading would help your problem, but for a desktop I would not suggest wheezy due to security support no longer applying tod esktop software
• 2611[20:21:41] <Sark> zykotick9: That does not work.
• 2612[20:21:41] <somiaj> zykotick9: seems wheezy desont' support that
• 2613[20:22:14] <Sark> somiaj: I mostly use this box to talk on IRC, read Reddit, and do basic email and such. I really don't care, honestly.
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• 2615[20:22:43] <jhutchins> I think maybe we should revisit the idea that using built in graphics with a card is bad. I'm pretty sure I've seen people do that.
• 2616[20:22:45] <Sark> I might play with Jessie on something else. That had some serious bugs last time I tried it though.
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• 2620[20:22:57] <Sark> X would crash pretty horribly, and you couldn't switch consoles.
• 2621[20:23:08] <Sark> Like, if you switched consoles, you couldn't get back to X
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• 2626[20:25:33] <somiaj> Sark: the nvidia card deson't contain multiple video outputs?
• 2627[20:26:12] <Sark> It does not.
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• 2630[20:27:49] <Sark> Well, I mean, I guesss it technically does, it has an S-video output, I think, but, only one VGA port.
• 2631[20:27:50] <somiaj> do you happen to have another nvidia card? Anyways, I've seen various issues with trying to get differetn video cards working. On many systems xrandr works with its providers, but this requires a newer xrandr than what you have. You may have to rever to using old methods with xinemra, and maybe the nv driver and not nouveau, so this means blacklist the nouveau module so you can load other modules
• 2632[20:28:12] <somiaj> jessie may see both cards with xrandr, otherwise you will have to disable it and use xinemra
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• 2634[20:28:44] <Sark> No, I don't have any more nvidia cards I can use in this. Since I don't have an AGP slot.
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• 2638[20:30:00] <somiaj> well either try jessie or disable nouveau, and all the newer tools such as xrandr. And focus on Xinmera. It maybe the only hope, but I don't think you can get xrandr/kms moudles to work with the older moduels like you are trying
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• 2644[20:33:11] <Sark> Hrm. Well, I don't want to upgrade the whole system to a new OS just for this, I'll do some more digging, maybe I can find another graphics card. But I think this nvidia one is the newest one I own.
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• 2665[20:42:35] <jhutchins> Sark: As mentioned before, it's not "just for this", it's for security updates and such as well. You could try a parallel install as dual-boot and see if it works any better.
• 2666[20:43:02] <jhutchins> Sark: I've run testing that way, the nice thing is you can chroot and fix things when they break.
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• 2695[20:56:21] <DexterF> hi
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• 2700[20:57:38] <gry> what is this 'jessie-updates' in sources.list ?
• 2701[20:57:40] <DexterF> I use nomachine NX v3 on deb8 to have remote sessions. have some keyboard issues and since NoMachine went onto v4 which is different and dropped support for v3 - what else gives me remote X sessions I can disconnect/reconnect?
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• 2708[20:59:17] <TomTomTosch> gry: thing that are going to be included in the next point release.
• 2709[20:59:22] <TomTomTosch> pfft.
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• 2743[21:14:27] <die7> zykotick9: Issue was with my debian somehow messing with kde/mate and xauth issue, solved by removed kde and reinstalled xauth
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• 2791[21:21:16] <ompaul_> DexterF: not what you asked but in the short term ssh -C user@farawaymachine konsole or some such
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• 2794[21:21:37] <ompaul_> DexterF: which is not what you asked but at least lets you run programs at a distance
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• 2798[21:24:27] <dixie7z> please if someone can listen to me :D i had debian stretch and it worked fine.... didn't updated for a while.. then boom... black screen doring boot after grub... i used nomodeset and with that it worked... bud my graphic was messed up... i updated everything... new kernel... again same problem... i erased debian and put xubuntu 16.04 the newest one for install... installation boots to black screen... how can i find out whats the
• 2799[21:24:27] <dixie7z> problem right now? now i only have windows installed... it was dualbooted
• 2800[21:25:28] <dixie7z> some new package is fucked up right? i have xfx radeon hd6870
• 2801[21:26:24] <zykotick9> die7: glad you got it sorted out!
• 2802[21:27:13] <die7> zykotick9: tnx, some wirred thing, but nevermind KDE was just for play, like mate more
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• 3071[21:34:14] <die7> dixie7z: u using catalyst after installation or not?
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• 3079[21:34:46] <dixie7z> catalyst is not supported anymore.... i used radeon drivers... open source
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• 3081[21:35:11] <dixie7z> radeon drivers are for old graphic cards... amdgpu is for newer ones
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• 3084[21:35:29] <jhutchins> ,v amdgpu
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• 3086[21:35:29] <judd> No package named 'amdgpu' was found in amd64.
• 3087[21:35:36] <dixie7z> there is a bundeled package for download... it says on debian AMD section
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• 3090[21:36:12] <die7> judd: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
• 3091[21:36:19] <dixie7z> yes.... amdgpu for newer ones.... my is older... so radeon drivers
• 3092[21:36:24] <jhutchins> dixie7z: Obvious first question: Does it work in Windows? Then: can you switch to a console? Connect via ssh?
• 3093[21:36:55] <dixie7z> i coulnd switch to console
• 3094[21:36:56] <jhutchins> die7: Ah, of course. ,v or judd: v
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• 3096[21:37:09] <dixie7z> i erased everything :\
• 3097[21:37:14] <dixie7z> i was frustrated
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• 3099[21:37:34] <dixie7z> windows works flawlessly with this graphic card
• 3100[21:37:40] <jhutchins> dixie7z: Ok, /var/log/Xorg.0.log may have an explanation. It's very noisy, but it usually says what's wrong.
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• 3103[21:37:59] <jhutchins> dixie7z: (Also of course /var/log/syslog and dmesg | less)
• 3104[21:38:26] <jhutchins> dixie7z: The Windows question was just to ensure it wasn't hardware failure.
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• 3109[21:39:30] <die7> jhutchins: he can getting running system with vesa driver thenb explore with amdgpu issue
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• 3111[21:39:48] <dixie7z> i will try to install it again and see whats the problem with that logs....
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• 3116[21:40:10] <dixie7z> how to switch to vesa
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• 3119[21:40:31] <jhutchins> dixie7z: Good luck. Maybe it'll just work. Blacklist radeon and VESA should load, it's the default fallback.
• 3120[21:40:32] <teraflops> jhutchins: dmesg -wH
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• 3123[21:40:58] <dixie7z> well.... xubuntu 16.04 also displays black screen on installation! i can't even install it... im not sure amdgpu is default on booting the installation media
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• 3132[21:41:36] <jhutchins> teraflops: Yeah, the new option's great.
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• 3137[21:43:17] <die7> dixie7z: you cab use in boot parameter something like xdriver=vesa
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• 3148[21:45:24] <jhutchins> dixie7z: Looks like an hd6000 should be supported by either the free radeon or proprietary catalyst 14.9
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• 3157[21:49:03] <jhutchins> Is ngnix able to run Apache modules?
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• 3166[21:51:43] <die7> jhutchins: not really but you can use apache as backend
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• 3179[21:53:54] <jhutchins> die7: I didn't think they were compatible, but someone in a security channel was complaining that he couldn't get it to work.
• 3180[21:54:35] <Voldenet> jhutchins: are you sure there aren't nginx modules doing what you want?
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• 3182[21:55:05] <die7> jhutchins: they not bt it is possible to run ng as forntend unsing ha proxy > backend apache on same system
• 3183[21:55:23] <die7> jhutchins: sorry for typo's
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• 3185[21:56:04] <jhutchins> modsecurity-crs - requires libapache<something> so I'm betting the answer is OF COURSE IT DOESN'T WORK.
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• 3188[21:56:50] <ompaul_> One day someone explained that apache and nginx were not the same, nothing changed. :-)
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• 3190[21:56:58] <jhutchins> Still, I don't know that much about nginx.
• 3191[21:57:15] <ompaul> It's quite sweet to use.
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• 3193[21:57:34] <jhutchins> It would seem counter-intuitive, modules being one source for the "bloat" Apache is accused of.
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• 3197[22:01:21] <Sark> Whelp, now I broke something. I got real close - x detects both the cards. But it crashes *horribly*. It's locked up the console screen an I can't get out of it.
• 3198[22:01:31] <Sark> Last entry in the log is [233707.894] (II) S3VIRGE(1): VESA VBE DDC read failed
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• 3201[22:01:59] <Sark> I manually killed the X process, but my console is still stuck, just has a cursor in the upper left, and I can't switch.
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• 3205[22:03:32] <Hello71> reboot.
• 3206[22:03:41] <ompaul> Sark: can you ssh in?
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• 3208[22:04:31] <rgr> Sark, did you have a X11 conf file or not?
• 3209[22:04:40] <rgr> xorg.conf
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• 3214[22:08:50] <Sark> ompaul: I'm in it via a serial console.
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• 3217[22:09:10] <Sark> I still haven't been able to free up the regular video console.
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• 3219[22:11:25] <Sark> And in fact, I have no clue how to. X is no longer running, nor is the startx script.
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• 3221[22:12:00] <Sark> I see the processes running on the other ttys, but I can't switch to them with the console. Is there a way to reset the video console?
• 3222[22:12:14] <die7> Sark: try to run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
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• 3224[22:12:27] <Sark> Everything is dead. Even Caps Lock key light doesn't come on.
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• 3226[22:14:15] <Sark> That didn't do anything.
• 3227[22:15:10] <jhutchins> Seems like there should be a stream browser plugin for VLC.
• 3228[22:15:32] <die7> Sark: but xserver-xorg installed?
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• 3231[22:16:16] <Sark> I mean, xserver-xorg has been installed forever. That command just gave me my prompt back, no output. Video console is still deadl.
• 3232[22:16:19] <Sark> *dead
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• 3235[22:17:12] <Sark> I should clarify. I ran the command on the text console on the serial port. The video console is still stuck and has had no change, just an underline cursor in upper left, and the keyboard acts dead.
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• 3237[22:18:04] <die7> Sark: remove xorg.conf reboot with in grub prompt parameter using vesa
• 3238[22:18:22] <die7> Sark: then try to run this in a tty
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• 3242[22:20:04] <Sark> Yeha, I know, I'm just trying to avoid rebooting. This computer is doing other things.
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• 3244[22:20:18] <Sark> And I really don't *need* the graphic console, but it would be nice to have back.
• 3245[22:20:21] <Sark> Might reboot later.
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• 3249[22:20:28] <die7> Sark: then kill xserver
• 3250[22:20:33] <Sark> I already did.
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• 3257[22:22:38] <die7> Sark: can you post somehere your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 3259[22:23:11] <Sark> I can try. I wonder if pastebin works with lynx.
• 3260[22:23:21] <missmbob> !pastebinit
• 3261[22:23:21] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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• 3263[22:23:42] <Sark> ah hah. Neat
• 3264[22:23:49] <Sark> one sec
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• 3270[22:24:55] <Sark> replaced-url
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• 3280[22:27:27] <Sark> For reference, the xorg.conf - replaced-url
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• 3284[22:27:56] <ompaul> Sark: what version of debian are you using?
• 3285[22:28:02] <Sark> Debian 7
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• 3296[22:31:48] <ompaul> Sark: that is EOLed
• 3297[22:32:00] <ompaul> April 26th last year
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• 3300[22:32:30] <ompaul> to understand that this might help: replaced-url
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• 3304[22:33:15] <die7> Sark: can you remove all xserver-xorg-video-* except xserver-xorg-video-s3virge
• 3305[22:33:21] <ompaul> Sark: LTS is not going to cover as many bases as the current stable
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• 3310[22:33:49] <ompaul> Sark: with regard to your system have you tried each monitor / card independently?
• 3311[22:34:39] <Sark> The Nvidia works fine on its own. As does the ATI that's built into the motherboard, but I don't think that can be used while the offboard card is installed (i get an error that it's not initialized when I try to use it in X with the nvidia card)
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• 3313[22:35:00] <Sark> I have not tried the S3 by itself in this computer/configuration. I know the board does work.
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• 3316[22:35:14] <Sark> I know the second monitor works, as I used to use it in a previous setup.
• 3317[22:35:29] <Sark> But I can't use it as the console, because it doesn't support the BIOS video mode.
• 3318[22:35:59] <ompaul> well the reason I asked about ssh is it tells you if the box has actually frozen
• 3319[22:36:14] <ompaul> connectbot on android is useful
• 3320[22:36:19] <Sark> It's not frozen. I'm using it now, talking to you on IRC. I'm on the text console, on the serial port.
• 3321[22:36:41] <Sark> I don't have an android phone.
• 3322[22:36:50] <ompaul> does lshw tell you that all the fun parts are on the machine?
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• 3325[22:37:17] <Sark> lshw? Not a command. I can see the video cards in lspci
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• 3327[22:37:26] <ompaul> install lshw
• 3328[22:38:16] <jhutchins> Sark: I realize you're working with the hardware you have, but an obvious solution would be a card with dual output.
• 3329[22:38:44] <ompaul> what I'd do is if it does restart cleanly is move the xorg.conf file to somewhere where it is not engaged run xrand against each board like this replaced-url
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• 3331[22:39:07] <ompaul> also again you are running software that is EOL
• 3332[22:39:20] <ompaul> which really isn't what most people here remember running
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• 3334[22:39:39] <ompaul> so we are best guessing in most cases - and you are trying to do something non trivial
• 3335[22:39:50] <ompaul> with well out of date software
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• 3339[22:42:11] <Sark> The software isn't *that* old, I mean, the current version is 8. I probably should update, but I don't like systemd, and 8 had some horrible show-stopper bugs the last time I tried to use it (on other hardware)
• 3340[22:42:36] <Sark> got lshw installed, it sees all the video cards.
• 3341[22:42:48] <Sark> Dual output video cards are not common.
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• 3343[22:42:53] <phogg> systemd isn't required in jessie
• 3344[22:43:07] <phogg> some extra work is required to avoid it, however
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• 3348[22:44:22] <Sark> hardware - replaced-url
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• 3358[22:51:07] <Sark> I suppose if I can run it without systemd it probably won't kill me to move to it. Heh.
• 3359[22:51:23] <Sark> I just hope I don't run in to the same bug I did last time with X.
• 3360[22:51:50] <Sark> X started automatically on launch, which was weird, and then if you changed to another console, you couldn't get back to X.
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• 3362[22:52:12] <Sark> Could have just been the odd video hardware in that machine - it was an older laptop.
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• 3365[22:53:10] <Sark> I'm making a backup of my root fs, once that's done, I'll try installing 8.
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• 3367[22:54:16] <phogg> Sark: use netinst or another approach that does not result in X by default
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• 3374[22:55:58] <Echo6> Can someone assist me with getting past my dumbass-ery. I am working on a script that builds out some other scripts for some default loadouts. Had this working earlier but accidentally deleted the wrong file. This line needs to be escaped to work right and I'm having some trouble determining the right placement again.
• 3375[22:55:59] <Echo6> echo 'send "CREATE USER $dbuser@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "\'\$dbpass\'";\r"\' >> mycreate.sh
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• 3381[22:56:56] <Echo6> Here is what it looked like before I mangled the escapes: echo 'send "CREATE USER $dbuser@localhost IDENTIFIED BY '$dbpass';\r"' >> mycreate.sh
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• 3388[22:58:35] <Sark> phogg - that's what I had done then. And htat's what I always do. Probably just something I screwed up.
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• 3392[22:59:30] <embrik> Ive installed jessie on a hp 6910p. It seems ttha the wireless is hardblocked. I've tried to unblock it with rfkill? Didn't work. Is it possible to just put in another wifi-card? Do I have to reinstall if i do so?
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• 3398[23:01:01] <TomTomTosch> Echo6: you probably want to escape the inner single quotes, not the last one that closes the very first.
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• 3401[23:02:12] <die7> embrik: no reinstall needed, and what you mean with hardblocekd?
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• 3404[23:03:24] <embrik> die7: I haven't got the linux pc here, but the rfkills command (I think) reprted the wireless card to be hardblocked. IN my thougts it would mean that the wireless was turned off.
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• 3409[23:04:11] <embrik> die7: And the button to turn it on didn't work (in jessie), it worked in WIn10
• 3410[23:04:16] <Echo6> This is what I ended up having to do: echo "send \"CREATE USER \$dbuser@localhost IDENTIFIED BY '\$dbpass';\\r\"" >> mycreate.sh
• 3411[23:04:35] <Echo6> I agree TomTomTosch but that was causing the same result.
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• 3413[23:04:59] <Echo6> It would be nice if it gave us where in the line the issue is not just the line.
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• 3416[23:06:18] <die7> embrik: but firmware-iwlwifi is installed?
• 3417[23:07:03] <embrik> die7: Yes, and it doesn' report any error, I just can't turn it on
• 3418[23:07:16] <TomTomTosch> Echo6: are dbuser and dbpass bash variables you want to expand?
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• 3422[23:07:51] <embrik> die7: There's a hw-buton. But it doesn't work.
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• 3424[23:08:04] <Echo6> define expand>
• 3425[23:08:06] <Echo6> ?
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• 3427[23:08:29] <TomTomTosch> replaced by a value before written to the file.
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• 3431[23:09:18] <Echo6> no.
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• 3436[23:09:41] <Echo6> The script its building will accept those parameters as arguments at the top of the file.
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• 3443[23:10:39] <Echo6> I.E. generator.sh will create a script called childscript.sh that will accept the arguments childscript.sh 1 2 3 4
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• 3451[23:12:56] <die7> embrik: this is a strange in many cases it is allways on, maybe led is not showng as such, what says iw?
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• 3455[23:14:11] <embrik> die7: Since I haven't got the computer here, I have to come back to you
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• 3457[23:14:22] <embrik> die7: thanks anyway
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• 3459[23:14:27] <die7> embrik: np
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• 3464[23:15:09] <n-iCe> hi
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• 3477[23:24:22] <buu> this is a slightly odd question but if i have a lga2011v3 socket mobo, is there aomeway to get graphics out, for bios and console, without plugging in a pcie graphics card?
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• 3504[23:37:31] <die7> buu: you habe onboard card? probably not?
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• 3512[23:43:21] <rqn> is someone still working on getting xapi/xe from xen into debian?
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