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• 2[00:01:02] <xlirate> I am running in to issues trying to install nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver, I am on a fresh as of today install of sid. Is this the right place to ask?
• 3[00:01:39] <annadane> !debian-next
• 4[00:01:40] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 5[00:01:53] <xlirate> Thank you
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• 19[00:20:05] <ozzloy> why aren't #debian and #debian-next on the same irc network?
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• 22[00:20:17] <ozzloy> oh, barrier to noobs?
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• 25[00:20:34] <annadane> debian used to be on freenode but they moved to oftc in 2006
• 26[00:20:36] <sney> ozzloy: there's a #debian on oftc too. oftc is the official network for debian channels, but this one is older, so both are maintained
• 27[00:20:37] <annadane> so most of the channels are there
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• 29[00:20:45] <annadane> but they kept this one around and #debian-offtopic
• 30[00:20:49] <ozzloy> oic
• 31[00:21:07] <ozzloy> then why doesn't this one redirect to there?
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• 33[00:21:17] <annadane> because they're two different channels...
• 34[00:21:44] <annadane> oftc's is "official" (and probably more official developers, i guess?) but this one has more users
• 35[00:21:58] <annadane> it's also somewhat of a culture thing, some prefer freenode to oftc and vice versa
• 36[00:22:18] <sney> I don't think cross-network redirects really work. besides, it doesn't hurt to have two, and the bots have the same information in both, etc
• 37[00:22:21] <ozzloy> thanks annadane and sney
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• 39[00:23:40] <annadane> but yeah, if you're looking for a debian channel it's probably on oftc
• 40[00:23:51] <annadane> debian-devel, debian-mentors, debian-kernel, debian-release, debian-replaced-url
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• 42[00:24:09] <annadane> many of us are on both networks
• 43[00:25:52] <ozzloy> oh, maybe that's where i should go to get help making .deb packages
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• 45[00:26:13] <ozzloy> i have tried a few times, spent many hours, got frustrated and moved on to other things
• 46[00:26:29] <annadane> for distribution in debian, #debian-mentors, for self made packages #packaging
• 47[00:26:35] <annadane> see also
• 48[00:26:36] <annadane> !nmg
• 49[00:26:36] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
• 50[00:26:58] <ozzloy> oftc #packaging, or freenode #packaging?
• 51[00:27:01] <annadane> oftc
• 52[00:27:07] <annadane> debian-mentors as well
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• 54[00:27:14] <ozzloy> and it's #packaging and not #debian-packaging?
• 55[00:27:15] <ax562> take 3
• 56[00:27:18] <annadane> yes
• 57[00:27:31] <annadane> #debian-mentors is the one for packages made for inclusion in debian specifically
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• 59[00:27:36] <ozzloy> that's like when people refer to san francisco as "the city"
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• 62[00:28:12] <ax562> bay bay
• 63[00:28:13] <sney> #packaging covers personal packages, stuff for ubuntu or other derivatives, etc. so including "debian" in the name would be incorrect even though it's still about making .debs
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• 65[00:28:31] <quadrathoch2> there is not _that_ much going on on oftc, probably that's why they get away with it ;)
• 66[00:29:13] <ozzloy> sney, then maybe #deb-packaging
• 67[00:29:30] <ozzloy> though i could see ubuntu people being ok with the name #debian-packaging
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• 69[00:29:42] <ozzloy> and other derivatives of debian, since ... they're debian derived
• 70[00:30:02] <ozzloy> but whatever, thanks so much for the heads up
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• 72[00:30:09] <ax562> does ubuntu pay licensing fee to use debian?
• 73[00:30:17] <ozzloy> the thing i wanted to make a package for was gerrit
• 74[00:30:44] <ozzloy> and gerrit in turn relies on some java thing that eventually i'd like to package as well
• 75[00:31:04] <ozzloy> more recently, i would like to update the clojure package to include clj
• 76[00:31:26] <ozzloy> i currently have clojure installed via linuxbrew which just feels gross
• 77[00:31:58] <sney> ax562: no, anyone can make a derivative free of charge. Canonical does contribute back to debian in other ways though
• 78[00:32:13] <ax562> that's cool
• 79[00:32:41] <ozzloy> i suppose they _could_ charge
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• 81[00:32:46] <ax562> well, I tried a couple of those gpu methods... didn't work
• 82[00:33:19] <ax562> I was reading about the Bumbblebee and supposedly performance is not good. That is the reason I'm trying to get my nvidia gpu working
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• 84[00:35:05] <ax562> How hard is this method replaced-url
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• 86[00:36:10] <sney> !tias
• 87[00:36:10] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 88[00:36:37] <ax562> yes!
• 89[00:36:48] <ax562> sney thanks for pointing me to these
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• 91[00:37:07] <ozzloy> it's not very hard at all. it just requires tapping keyboard keys and moving a mouse and tapping the mouse
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• 93[00:37:52] <ozzloy> you have to do it in the right place and right order, but you can take as long as you like
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• 95[00:39:39] <ax562> lol
• 96[00:39:48] <ax562> he got jokes :p
• 97[00:39:59] <ax562> dl now
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• 99[00:43:15] <ax562> How can I verify this "Make sure that all appropriate Debian Nvidia packages (kernel, X, and glx) are installed. " in Buster
• 100[00:43:52] <ax562> would apt install nvidia-driver cover all 3?
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• 103[00:48:43] <sney> yes, if you have aptitude you can also use 'aptitude search ~invidia' to see all of your installed packages with nvidia in the name
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• 105[00:50:14] <ax562> sney I used apt-cache search nvidia
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• 108[00:50:53] <sney> you can use whatever you want, I gave you specific information that does something different though.
• 109[00:50:55] <ax562> but I didn't know which were needed
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• 144[01:39:02] <ax562> nvidia-xrun is not easy lol
• 145[01:39:39] <ax562> taking a break but definitely requires quiet a bit of linux knowledge
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• 162[02:05:05] <istrive> I just found out that dhclient is running along site to the Static IP, then sudo dhclient -v -r released the dynamic IPs, how to prevent from getting it again the next boot since I have configured the interfaces already?
• 163[02:05:44] <tinfoil-hat> Hi, I am trying to make a shellscript to work with sh, however I get: "shopt: rematchpcre: invalid shell option name " maybe so here can help out?
• 164[02:06:40] <avu> tinfoil-hat: probably a bashism? /bin/sh on Debian is dash, not bash
• 165[02:07:45] <tinfoil-hat> avu: I don't know, I am really not good at this stuff
• 166[02:08:47] <avu> tinfoil-hat: replaced-url
• 167[02:08:58] <tinfoil-hat> av thank you!
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• 169[02:10:11] <tinfoil-hat> maybe so here can help me with this: I try to make this script posix compliant, but like I said, I am really not good in this stuff ... replaced-url
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• 171[02:10:59] <tinfoil-hat> the problem seems to be >setopt rematchpcre<
• 172[02:11:50] <avu> tinfoil-hat: paste it in shellcheck.net, change the first line to #!/bin/sh to tell it that you want POSIX
• 173[02:11:56] <avu> tinfoil-hat: then work through the errors and warnings
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• 178[02:14:21] <tinfoil-hat> avu: I am goind to try, thanks a lot!
• 179[02:14:28] <tinfoil-hat> *going
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• 182[02:21:03] <tinfoil-hat> avu: this page assumes I have setopt available on my system, but this is not the case :/
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• 184[02:21:36] <avu> tinfoil-hat: it doesn't, it just doesn't highlight all errors at once, at some point, when you fixed others, this one will be highlighted, too
• 185[02:21:48] <avu> tinfoil-hat: as shopt is not available at all in POSIX
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• 187[02:22:16] <avu> tinfoil-hat: the script just has so many other problems that this one isn't available immediately .)
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• 189[02:22:50] <tinfoil-hat> how do I modify the script to get it to work with sh?
• 190[02:23:06] <avu> tinfoil-hat: you fix the problems reported by shellcheck... :)
• 191[02:23:11] <avu> tinfoil-hat: like I've been telling you
• 192[02:24:16] <avu> tinfoil-hat: ah, seeing the script doesn't even use shopt, it's setopt, a zshism, not a bashism, that one shellcheck might not find.
• 193[02:24:45] <avu> tinfoil-hat: in any case, that line you'll just have to remove and alter the behaviour after that, taking into account whatever this option does in zsh is not available
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• 196[02:28:38] <SanchoPensa> tinfoil-hat: easiest fix might be to just install bash, if avu is right, and it's a "bashism"
• 197[02:28:56] <avu> as I said, it isn't
• 198[02:28:59] <avu> it's an zshism
• 199[02:29:17] <avu> and even on zsh, it's an option that seems to require some additional/optional module
• 200[02:30:01] <avu> if the goal is really just to get this to run on your system, then SanchoPensa is right, don't bother porting it to POSIX
• 201[02:30:23] <avu> just install zsh and run the script with that
• 202[02:30:31] <avu> tinfoil-hat: ^
• 203[02:30:39] <SanchoPensa> tinfoil-hat: and while you're at it: '/j #Bash'
• 204[02:30:52] <avu> SanchoPensa: again, it's a zsh script :)
• 205[02:31:01] <avu> so, if anything, it would be /j #zsh :)
• 206[02:31:15] <SanchoPensa> or so. :)
• 207[02:32:45] <SanchoPensa> avu: never occurred to me, btw, that debian is using zsh instead of good ole bash... since when is that, and why?
• 208[02:32:56] <avu> SanchoPensa: huh? it isn't
• 209[02:33:07] <avu> SanchoPensa: tinfoil-hat just happens to have a zsh script as source
• 210[02:33:20] <avu> SanchoPensa: they linked it above
• 211[02:33:32] <SanchoPensa> omg. :D lost in translation...
• 212[02:33:54] <avu> SanchoPensa: Debian install bash for interactive sessions by default and uses dash for /bin/sh
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• 216[02:35:05] <SanchoPensa> phew... /me dries the cold sweat on his forehead and falls back to defcon 1
• 217[02:36:30] <quadrathoch2> btw, is it a bug that every time I create a new user, the default shell is sh? and not bash
• 218[02:36:47] <avu> quadrathoch2: how are you creating the users?
• 219[02:37:34] <quadrathoch2> avu useradd -m -G sudo <user> most of the time
• 220[02:37:44] <avu> quadrathoch2: use adduser
• 221[02:38:11] <quadrathoch2> and how would I do that in a script?
• 222[02:38:20] <avu> quadrathoch2: useradd is a low level tool and uses /bin/sh as a default because of that
• 223[02:38:21] <quadrathoch2> or should i just define a shell
• 224[02:38:28] <avu> quadrathoch2: as configured in /etc/default/useradd
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• 226[02:38:31] <quadrathoch2> ahh thanks :)
• 227[02:38:35] <avu> quadrathoch2: just `adduser foo` normally
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• 229[02:38:58] <quadrathoch2> avu I will probably just add -s /bin/bash then ;)
• 230[02:39:15] <avu> quadrathoch2: or use the proper high level tool for creating users on Debian ;p
• 231[02:39:28] <phogg> adduser is better but useradd is portable--other Linux distros (and even other *nix systems) will have it and it will behave about the same way.
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• 233[02:39:46] <avu> emphasize on "about"
• 234[02:40:01] <phogg> Most of the time you won't need to care because you're actually targeting just Debian and its descendants.
• 235[02:40:09] <avu> you need to be specific about different distros/unices in scripts that alter the system in such a deep way as to create users
• 236[02:40:30] <phogg> avu: if you stick to the standard subset of useradd switches they will behave exactly the same
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• 245[02:55:48] <karlpinc> What's the right "apt" tool to unpack a *.deb? I've a HP printer driver deb from HP I don't have the source for.
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• 248[02:56:41] <karlpinc> (I can always use ar (?, I think), or something, but there must be a better way.)
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• 251[02:57:51] <sney> karlpinc: dpkg-deb -x, but I don't know what benefits (if any) it has over using ar
• 252[02:58:38] <karlpinc> sney: Great. Thanks.
• 253[02:58:51] <sney> there's also -R if you want the contents of debian/ as well. see man dpkg-deb, natch
• 254[02:59:01] <karlpinc> There's probably no reason, execpt that, well, the right tool for the job and all that.
• 255[02:59:38] <quadrathoch2> karlpinc what specifically are you looking for, afaik all hp printers have open source drivers
• 256[03:00:20] <sney> hp's open source support is worse the cheaper the printer is. also depends on printer age, etc
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• 258[03:00:44] <karlpinc> quadrathoch2: Oops. I was wrong. This is a brother printer.
• 259[03:00:58] <sney> cups-driverless will typically support a common laser mfp but not a $40 inkjet, e.g.
• 260[03:01:06] <karlpinc> Brother MFC-L9550CDW
• 261[03:02:08] <karlpinc> I want something that will do color. I'm inclined to install the supplied deb, but want to know what's in there.
• 262[03:02:25] <sney> indeed. it's probably a ppd and some other gunk
• 263[03:02:31] <karlpinc> I don't need all the scanning stuff, etc.
• 264[03:02:43] <karlpinc> Yeah. I might just rip out the ppd and use it directly.
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• 270[03:05:15] <Unit193> Brother driver I have needs libc6-i386 on amd64, fwiw
• 271[03:06:31] <karlpinc> Unit193: Thanks.
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• 279[03:14:23] <karlpinc> Unit193: This one too. Seemingly.
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• 282[03:15:00] <genr8_> I messed up my entire system last week caues i used the wrong useradd command
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• 284[03:15:12] <karlpinc> But I don't understand this. "file" says: brprintconf_mfcl9550cdw: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped But ldd says: "not a dynamic executable"
• 285[03:15:33] <karlpinc> What does this mean? The linux is "too old"?
• 286[03:16:04] <dvs> karlpinc, GNU/Linux 2.2? That's old. we're up to 4.19 now.
• 287[03:16:16] <karlpinc> Yeah. Maybe ldd is just freaked out.
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• 289[03:16:44] <genr8_> actually i would be concerned about that
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• 291[03:17:17] <karlpinc> Me too. I'm going to see if I downloaded something outdated. (Well, if there's not something newer.)
• 292[03:17:19] <genr8_> its likely compiled for a MUCH much older system, and if thats the case, it could be vulnerable.
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• 294[03:18:16] <genr8_> you might have to compile it yourself
• 295[03:21:02] <karlpinc> genr8_: That'd involve getting the source from brother....
• 296[03:21:26] <genr8_> or elsewhere.
• 297[03:22:12] <genr8_> either that, or if you can run that program once and delete it, go that route.
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• 299[03:23:03] <genr8_> cause outdated shit on the system sounds like a bad idea to me, but what do i know
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• 302[03:25:27] <genr8_> replaced-url
• 303[03:25:45] <genr8_> CUPS wrapper Printer driver Source Codes <-- all the way at the bottom, Show More. 17/05/2016 (1.1.3-1)
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• 305[03:27:25] <genr8_> yep thats it
• 306[03:27:46] <genr8_> the ppd, the cups wrapper, and the config tool with a Makefile
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• 310[03:30:34] <genr8_> brcupsconfig.c <-- yea this is a disgusting little file of ancient vulnerable C code
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• 312[03:31:07] <genr8_> you wanna at least compile that with stack protection and FORTIFY_SOURCE and stuff like that
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• 320[03:36:26] <genr8_> you might not even need, the cups script and the ppd should be enough. this just seems to configure the PPD options with a program instead of manually editing
• 321[03:36:35] <genr8_> even need it*
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• 329[03:43:01] <genr8_> then again, maybe its an over-reaction, but im someone who removes CUPS entirely. terrible security posture. its broken by design. even after sandboxing it with AppArmor.
• 330[03:44:08] <evilbug> genr8_: what's going on?
• 331[03:44:27] <genr8_> i think i had too much coffee cause ive been talking to myself
• 332[03:44:44] <evilbug> i've been doing that for the past 30 years.
• 333[03:44:51] <evilbug> it's why they won't lock me up.
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• 339[03:50:44] * dvs sneaks away from evilbug
• 340[03:51:21] <evilbug> ;D
• 341[03:52:28] <genr8_> yea im worried for myself now if thats why you gravitate to me ;p
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• 344[03:54:14] <genr8_> it made me think for a minute. i was gonna say "you seem fine now". but then i thought. "what about me then..."
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• 423[05:04:34] <Subsentient> Any plans to discontinue i386 architecture, I hope not?
• 424[05:05:18] <usr1987> are there any computers that can run deb 10? Most 386 based pc are quite old
• 425[05:06:04] <Subsentient> I mean, i686+
• 426[05:06:10] <Subsentient> 32-bit x86
• 427[05:06:15] <Subsentient> not strictly i386
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• 429[05:07:43] <Subsentient> Seems lots of distros are hurrying to drop x86-32, but I feel like that kinda goes against much of the point of Linux. Even Windows still supports 32-bit Intel
• 430[05:08:24] <usr1987> 32 bit is old, most do not want to support it
• 431[05:08:46] <Subsentient> So is pre-armv7, but Debian still supports that.
• 432[05:08:48] <usr1987> and not sure how many users actually still have 32 bit systems
• 433[05:09:04] <dvs> usr1987, it's not so much that it's old but so many more people are using 64-bits now.
• 434[05:09:09] <Subsentient> The images are useful for some purposes, such as giving away an old PC to a poor family etc
• 435[05:09:53] <Subsentient> I'm sure more use i686 than PPC64 or S/390
• 436[05:10:20] <usr1987> I bet, but last cpu that was 32 bit I think it was pentium 4
• 437[05:10:27] <usr1987> frankly those are quite slow
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• 465[05:38:32] <Subsentient> usr1987: Actually it was the Core Duo, which shipped in some MacBooks
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• 477[05:50:50] <alexrelis[m]> Hi guys. I just installed Libreboot on my system with the goal of using full disk encryption. When I installed Debian, I was still on stock BIOS, so I created an encrypted / on my SSD and an unencrypted /boot on a separate USB flash drive. I have now installed Libreboot. How do I copy /boot to the internal SSD and make Libreboot boot from my encrypted (non-lvm) volume? Here is my /etc/fstab:
• 478[05:50:50] <alexrelis[m]> replaced-url
• 479[05:51:27] <alexrelis[m]> Would all I need to do is uncomment the /boot and copy /boot to / with preserved permissions?
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• 482[05:56:13] <karlpinc> genr8_: I'm going to punt and use one of the existing drivers and cross my fingers. Push come to shove I can always use a generic postscript driver because the printer's postscript.
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• 489[06:07:53] <genr8_> alexrelis[m], no. encrypted boot is a giant rabbithole.
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• 491[06:08:41] <alexrelis[m]> genr8_: Hmmm...Am I not able to encrypt /boot? It was one of the reasons I flashed Libreboot to begin with.
• 492[06:09:20] <genr8_> i didnt say it was impossible
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• 495[06:10:16] <genr8_> the way you described is definitely not the way
• 496[06:10:28] <alexrelis[m]> genr8_: Do you know what I need to do to make it so?
• 497[06:10:54] <genr8_> no. i would stick to a plain encrypted USB drive to boot.
• 498[06:11:32] <genr8_> also people tend to use LVM
• 499[06:11:39] <genr8_> but thats neither here nor there
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• 506[06:20:02] <genr8_> im sure theres a way to put the 2nd encrypted boot partition on the SSD itself, but you definitely dont wanna just combine them into 1
• 507[06:20:45] <karlpinc> I don't know libreboot. I like lvm, and it can be handy when it comes to encrypted boot. Although less needed these days because the boot process can now try to reuse passwords for multiple partitions. Also, unless you've an enterprise grade SSD you want to leave 20% (depends) unused or suffer write amplification when you put too much on the disk. The easiest way is to leave 20% unpartitioned.
• 508[06:21:47] <karlpinc> genr8_: Combining them into 1 might not be bad. Depends on how the boot loader works and, I suppose, your threat model.
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• 510[06:22:05] <genr8_> thats the concern though
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• 512[06:23:56] <karlpinc> Meanwhile, I like to promote the unoffical installer image with non-free firmware included. So you don't have to fuss with firmware unless you modify your hardware after install. Firmware is annoying, and only needs to be done once, and you really probably do want the non-free firmware if you want to use your existing hardware.
• 513[06:23:59] <karlpinc> !firmware images
• 514[06:23:59] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 515[06:24:19] <karlpinc> (Or at least promote awareness.)
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• 517[06:24:39] <alexrelis[m]> karlpinc: genr8_: But if /boot is under LVM, wouldn't an attacker have to break the encryption before they could get in?
• 518[06:25:46] <genr8_> thats not what i meant
• 519[06:26:39] <genr8_> i only mentioned LVM because the guides are for LVM, and it implements the multiple partitions
• 520[06:27:28] <alexrelis[m]> Oh my bad, I meant under LUKS, not LVM.
• 521[06:27:43] <alexrelis[m]> In my last message.
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• 530[06:32:27] <alexrelis[m]> So do you guys recommend I just reinstall Debian using LVM?
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• 534[06:36:58] <genr8_> i regret mentioning LVM now. just do what you can find to get working
• 535[06:37:49] <genr8_> you are gonna have to figure out how to reconfigure libreboot's grub config to boot the new setup
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• 538[06:40:59] <genr8_> there was likely a miscommunication, or two
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• 540[06:45:48] <genr8_> so, on libreboot its Ok to combine the partitions, since it already boots straight into grub from the firmware. you just have to know how to configure the grub to point to the new location.
• 541[06:46:13] <genr8_> and then the whole typing your password twice thing
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• 574[07:34:06] <alexrelis[m]> "genr8_" (replaced-url
• 575[07:34:38] <genr8_> yep
• 576[07:35:10] <genr8_> it involves making a keyfile to unlock the 2nd one instead
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• 578[07:35:57] <alexrelis[m]> genr8_: I see.
• 579[07:36:07] <alexrelis[m]> This is so cool.
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• 660[09:34:31] <alexrelis[m]> Why is the "torbrowser-launcher" package in contrib?
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• 663[09:36:13] <Haohmaru> !contrib
• 664[09:36:13] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb replaced-url
• 665[09:36:23] <nidhoegger> Hi. I got a problem. I got a new Lenovo P53s, but it seems like debian is fucked up on this system for some reason :/. What I experience is (happens with stable as well as testing) that certain programs lock up/freeze. An example is the nm-applet in MATE, the mattermost client, thunderbird and some other programs. They sometimes will recover from this and sometimes they will not.
• 666[09:36:32] <nidhoegger> I am running a memtest atm, but so far the RAM is fine
• 667[09:36:51] <alexrelis[m]> "Haohmaru" (replaced-url
• 668[09:37:19] <Haohmaru> how would i know
• 669[09:37:56] <Rashad> Hello Debian! My question is: I am installing debian on a virtual machine. It is not able to connect to the mirror to complete the installation. I want to check if this is a virtual machine networking problem or a problem with the proxy at the host. I want to try and connect to the mirror on the host to check that the problem is not with the host.
• 670[09:37:56] <Rashad> How do I do that?
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• 674[09:39:42] <ksk> Rashad: only midly related to debian, no?
• 675[09:39:49] <nidhoegger> tere is nothing interesting in dmesg btw
• 676[09:39:50] <ksk> Try to connect to the mirror you select during install.
• 677[09:40:22] <ksk> the debian installer makes you choose one mirror, just use its address to connect from the host (curl)
• 678[09:40:40] <nidhoegger> you can switch to a root terminal in the installer. go there, try wget or curl with http_proxy set
• 679[09:40:56] <Rashad> OK, I actually tried this one: replaced-url
• 680[09:41:14] <Rashad> Since it did open in the browser on the host
• 681[09:42:20] <Rashad> Thanks all.
• 682[09:43:11] <themill> alexrelis[m]: the package description explains why it can't be in 'main' and needs to be in contrib. (note that contrib contains software which has dependencies outside Debian)
• 683[09:43:28] <alexrelis[m]> "themill" (replaced-url
• 684[09:43:52] <Haohmaru> bruh, this matrix thing is a lil bit horrific
• 685[09:44:12] <Rashad> alexrelis[m]: Your client is doing something weird when it mentions the nick of someone else. Is this intentional?
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• 691[09:48:00] <alexrelis> That is very strange. I am using Matrix. Just recently I was kicked from this chat because of an unregistered nick (my nickname was registered)..? Pretty strange. I guess I'll revert to messaging with Thunderbird instead.
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• 694[09:52:21] <Haohmaru> you have to identify to NickServ, doesn't matter that your nick is registered if you don't "log in" to NickServ
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• 701[09:57:43] <alexrelis> Haohmaru: I did though. I believe you have to in Matrix. Unless it somehow logged me out..? Idk.
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• 706[10:02:08] <grindhold> how does one get debug-packages for a package in 2020? building from source can't be the answer. there used to be -dbg-packages for every library a few years ago. where have they gone
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• 710[10:03:00] <grindhold> now they seem to be called -dbgsym, but they arent to be found in any repos anymore
• 711[10:03:30] <themill> !dbgsym
• 712[10:03:30] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb replaced-url
• 713[10:04:09] <grindhold> lol thx.
• 714[10:04:19] <grindhold> that explains stuff
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• 739[10:32:48] <wondiws> I flashed a debian installer to usb disk and booted to this "Live" system, I can't seem to find a way to initialize the logical volume manager
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• 741[10:33:02] <wondiws> I want to mount my existing file systems from the harddisk
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• 743[10:33:59] <RoyK> wondiws: is lvm installed?
• 744[10:34:19] <wondiws> RoyK, installed? I'm using this Live system from debian
• 745[10:34:28] <RoyK> open terminal - run lvm
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• 747[10:34:49] <wondiws> "run lvm"?
• 748[10:35:03] <wondiws> it starts with "vgchange" I guess, but there's no vgchange
• 749[10:35:14] <shtrb> what is the debian apparmor irc channel for buster bug reports ?
• 750[10:35:23] <shtrb> *pkg's channel
• 751[10:35:29] <RoyK> wondiws: I just mean "lvm"
• 752[10:35:47] <wondiws> RoyK, that's not available either
• 753[10:35:59] <RoyK> apt install lvm2
• 754[10:36:00] <wondiws> but I want to install grub actually
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• 756[10:36:34] <wondiws> and there's no grub-install either
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• 759[10:37:12] <RoyK> wondiws: sudo -i
• 760[10:37:39] <RoyK> as to become root (or god)
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• 762[10:37:48] <wondiws> I did "sudo bash"
• 763[10:38:00] <RoyK> don't - just use sudo -i
• 764[10:38:15] <RoyK> that way you get root's environment
• 765[10:38:21] <RoyK> such as the PATH
• 766[10:38:37] <wondiws> RoyK, ah, it doesn't really matter as the tools I need aren't on the filesystem at all
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• 770[10:39:13] <RoyK> wondiws: it may be so simple as they are under /sbin or /usr/sbin which normally aren't in a normal user's path
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• 772[10:39:49] <wondiws> RoyK, I already looked there
• 773[10:40:06] <RoyK> wondiws: did you install lvm2?
• 774[10:40:18] <RoyK> yes - you can install things on a live system
• 775[10:40:43] <wondiws> RoyK, I now booted into the text based installer, I just want to restore my GRUB
• 776[10:41:17] <RoyK> IIRC it has a rescue mode
• 777[10:41:53] <wondiws> that's not an option in the boot menu anymore
• 778[10:42:30] <RoyK> oh well, go back to the live session and do it manually, then
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• 780[10:42:50] <RoyK> but if it doesn't have lvm, you'll need to install it first
• 781[10:42:52] <wondiws> RoyK, but I need Grub to install Grub
• 782[10:43:01] <wondiws> RoyK, but I do have access to my boot partition
• 783[10:43:08] <RoyK> then do some chroot magic and then grub-install
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• 785[10:44:03] <diogenes_> wondiws, you can edit grub entry of your live system to boot your installed system.
• 786[10:44:19] <wondiws> diogenes_, from the bootloader?
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• 788[10:45:04] <diogenes_> wondiws, when you boot the usb drive, hit 'e' at the grub menu and just change root and kernel and there you go.
• 789[10:45:12] <diogenes_> also initrs*
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• 793[10:46:25] <wondiws> diogenes_, it doesn't respond to 'e'
• 794[10:47:03] <diogenes_> wondiws, then it's not grub on the live, it might be syslinux and it needs a different key i forgot which one, maybe 'c' or something like that.
• 795[10:47:05] <wondiws> I need to do "ESC" I see now
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• 797[10:48:49] <wondiws> I'm gonna boot into my other linux system, brb
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• 813[11:00:40] <ottavio> Hi, quick question. Is it only Debian and derivatives that symlink /etc/resolv.conf >> /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf
• 814[11:00:50] <ottavio> Or is this standard practice?
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• 816[11:02:30] <diogenes_> ottavio, in openSUSE /etc/resolv.conf -> /run/netconfig/resolv.conf
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• 818[11:04:01] <ottavio> diogenes_: is it safe to change the symlink to a hard link, so that it can work in a chroot? The chroot script mount binds the whole /etc and resolv.conf fails.
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• 821[11:05:13] <diogenes_> ottavio, in chroot it's not even being generated so you have to directly sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf and put there the nameservers you need.
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• 823[11:05:53] <ottavio> diogenes_: wouldn't a hard link fix the issue?
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• 825[11:06:40] <diogenes_> ottavio, maybe, i didn't bother too much about that because i chroot only when something breaks and i have to quickly fix the stuff.
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• 827[11:07:47] <ottavio> diogenes_: it might be the case that /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf is created a new all the time and the hard link might actually fail.
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• 890[12:18:07] <themill> ottavio: you might also be interested in solutions like schroot that don't bind in /etc but have a 'copyfiles' option that picks up files like resolv.conf, nsswitch.conf
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• 892[12:19:16] <EdePopede> something odd if going on with my xterm/screen combo. 3rd time i couldn't switch the tab (added F11/F12 long ago, it's easier than their default), last week i reopened it in another xterm, yesterday and today C-a z (send to bg) and then `reset` and returning fixed it.
• 893[12:19:24] <ottavio> themill: yes, that in the future.
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• 896[12:20:13] <EdePopede> in the meantime F11 and F12 both created only a '~' in the terminal, while in a tab running a script it was ^[[23~ so it seems reading extended keys gets somehow killed.
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• 899[12:22:29] <EdePopede> ah, and cursor movement in screen also didn't work while the handling was borked. pgup/pgdn were fine, but Home/End not.
• 900[12:22:49] * EdePopede places an idea bucket into the channel.
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• 903[12:24:12] <themill> ottavio: schroot also has nice access control config and can allow a user to chroot in but not leave them as root inside the chroot etc
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• 906[12:28:38] <nvz> yeah schroot is really nice and the config is pretty straighforward
• 907[12:29:10] <nvz> though I'm getting the general feeling such things are becoming deprecated as there are such features built in other places now
• 908[12:29:45] <nvz> I recently learned that systemd can do this kinda stuff as well for example
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• 911[12:30:23] <SirLagz> j #zabbix
• 912[12:30:32] <SirLagz> stupid hexchat
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• 914[12:31:52] <EdePopede> !pebcak
• 915[12:31:52] <dpkg> [pebcak] Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
• 916[12:31:53] <EdePopede> :)
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• 918[12:32:53] <SirLagz> I blame hexchat still. :P
• 919[12:33:16] <Rashad> Hexchat only does what you tell it to do.
• 920[12:33:41] <SirLagz> Hexchat is too slow...I expected it to be faster :P
• 921[12:33:51] <EdePopede> not always. reconnection behaviour is better than it used to be with xchat, but still...
• 922[12:34:07] <EdePopede> can't send faster than you type ;)
• 923[12:34:18] <EdePopede> or maybe you need some really busy channel
• 924[12:34:22] <jim> (just making sure...) to change the hostname on a debian laptop, I edit /etc/hostname and restart networking?
• 925[12:34:37] <SirLagz> anyways. onto an actual debian question. What's the recommended way to set persistent static routes nowadays?
• 926[12:34:46] <Rashad> Use ChatZilla
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• 929[12:35:24] <Rashad> Never had any problem with it, and it is so simple it works exactly as you want it to
• 930[12:35:38] <SirLagz> Rashad, I was just whinging for the sake of whinging :P
• 931[12:35:44] <SirLagz> there's nothing really wrong with hexchat
• 932[12:35:54] <SirLagz> I just didn't notice it left the / in the other channel window lol
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• 934[12:36:44] <Rashad> I know I know
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• 936[12:37:53] <Rashad> Btw if you find that ChatZilla is "discontinued" as an add-on, you can always (as I do) use the standalone version: replaced-url
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• 939[12:39:36] <EdePopede> Rashad, tried out Chatzille just out of curiosity a few times years ago, crashed regularly so i didn't bother anymore
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• 941[12:40:14] <Rashad> Heh
• 942[12:40:21] <Rashad> Never happened to me.
• 943[12:40:27] <Rashad> Which platform? Linux?
• 944[12:40:47] <EdePopede> yeah, mozilla. i used their calendar for some time. then they killed it. "use the suite, support the computer industry using bloatware."
• 945[12:40:49] <EdePopede> yep
• 946[12:41:05] <EdePopede> must have been during my (classic) suse era.
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• 949[12:41:48] <EdePopede> i really don't feel like running a whole groupware thing in the background just to have a reminder for a few things.
• 950[12:42:35] <ksk> I did read that now that thunderbird has its own company they will bring an integrated calendar with the next release (in contrast to having to install the plugins)
• 951[12:42:44] <Rashad> Use a virtual assistant.
• 952[12:43:33] <ksk> "XULRunner is a discontinued [snip]"
• 953[12:44:15] <Rashad> Yeah I read this just now...
• 954[12:44:23] <Rashad> Didn't know that; but it seems to work just fine.
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• 957[12:48:47] <Haohmaru> ,v codeblocks
• 958[12:48:48] <judd> Package: codeblocks on amd64 -- stretch: 16.01+dfsg-2+b1; buster: 16.01+dfsg-2.1; bullseye: 20.03-3; sid: 20.03-3
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• 992[13:16:58] <afidegnum> hi, how do i download a torrent using transmission-cli ? transmission-cli filename.torrent seems not to work
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• 994[13:17:29] <afidegnum> transmission-daemon seems not to work as well
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• 997[13:19:32] <diogenes_> afidegnum, download the .torrent and double click on it or copy a magnel link.
• 998[13:19:47] <diogenes_> i've never had any troubles with transmission.
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• 1000[13:20:54] <afidegnum> i'm having the problem with the manet as well
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• 1002[13:21:02] <afidegnum> using transmisison-remote
• 1003[13:21:04] <afidegnum> [2020-07-27 13:08:34.379] transmission-remote: (replaced-url
• 1004[13:21:33] <p4xz> what's the output of transmission-cli
• 1005[13:21:57] <afidegnum> transmission-cli 2.92 (14714)
• 1006[13:21:58] <afidegnum> A fast and easy BitTorrent client
• 1007[13:21:58] <afidegnum> Usage: transmission-cli [options] <file|url|magnet>
• 1008[13:22:30] <p4xz> that's the output of tranmission-cli filename.torrent?
• 1009[13:22:32] <afidegnum> what option should i use to add the torrent ?
• 1010[13:22:41] <afidegnum> wait
• 1011[13:23:45] <afidegnum> i think it's working now
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• 1013[13:23:51] <afidegnum> it started
• 1014[13:24:06] <afidegnum> Starting, not started yet
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• 1016[13:26:21] <afidegnum> it works now
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• 1018[13:26:27] <afidegnum> thanks a lot
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• 1029[13:32:42] <afidegnum> diogenes_: what's the command to stop transmission-cli ?
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• 1032[13:33:24] <diogenes_> afidegnum, ps aux | grep transmission
• 1033[13:33:31] <diogenes_> then: killall the command
• 1034[13:34:20] <EdePopede> for cli i use C-c most of the time
• 1035[13:34:54] <EdePopede> i've just read the package is a COLLECTION of clients? including cli/daemon/gtk
• 1036[13:34:56] <afidegnum> C-c is kind of stubborn, is not responding here :)
• 1037[13:35:47] <EdePopede> ah, networking. have this issues sometimes with ping
• 1038[13:37:17] <afidegnum> diogenes_: where is the installation directory?
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• 1040[13:37:45] <diogenes_> afidegnum, installation directory of what?
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• 1042[13:38:17] <afidegnum> i mean the directory where the torrent is being downloaded to
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• 1044[13:38:32] <EdePopede> "This package contains a (deprecated) stand-alone command-line client, transmission-remote to interface with transmission-daemon" <-- sounds like -remote is the tool of choice these days?
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• 1046[13:39:22] <diogenes_> afidegnum, by default it should be Downloads.
• 1047[13:40:17] <afidegnum> ok
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• 1054[13:48:27] <visualshock> I have just installed debian on an old laptop and all I get when starting it is a black screen with a mouse pointer.
• 1055[13:49:32] <nkuttler> i just upgraded a bunch of hosts to buster, and the default action in the openssh upgrade dialog was to overwrite sshd_config with the maintainer's version. that shouldn't happen
• 1056[13:50:13] <diogenes_> visualshock, ctrl+alt+f1, login, run: startx and see what errors you get.
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• 1067[13:59:46] <visualshock> diogenes_, I get no errors, it tries to start the gui, but it looks like it has problem loading or something, only small parts look right
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• 1069[14:00:32] <Rashad> Keep debian but uninstall the laptop (kidding...)
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• 1072[14:02:06] <visualshock> It works with splash nomodeset
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• 1074[14:04:57] <EdePopede> i think i found the first part of the answer to my screen issue. instead of C-a } i sometimes hit C-a \ and instead of n for NODONTQUIT i hit Esc. screen accepts it but leaves back the system with a dangling prefix. wondering since midnight commander explicitely offers the option to use a single Esc with a timeout, and then, why does it treat is as a NO at all?
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• 1100[14:21:31] <visualshock> do I need to run a command after editiing /etc/default/grub to active the changes?
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• 1102[14:22:59] <dvs> visualshock, update-grub
• 1103[14:23:13] <visualshock> dvs, command not found
• 1104[14:23:27] <dvs> !buster su
• 1105[14:23:27] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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• 1168[15:23:46] <Boodie> Hi [Buster]
• 1169[15:24:38] <cybercrypto> Hi all, besides the tweak in fstab using relatime/noatime, is there any optimization for SSD disk performance? Any docs you know that can give me more details?
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• 1173[15:31:49] <diogenes_> cybercrypto, maybe this: replaced-url
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• 1179[15:38:45] <cybercrypto> diogenes_: good, let me check and test results. thanks.
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• 1186[15:45:27] <Boodie> Is there a way to synchronise a directory with an encrypted .tar.bz file?
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• 1192[15:49:12] <cybercrypto> Boodie: you can sync any dir and its contents (even if you have encrypted tar files in there. You will not be able to sync encrypted tar contents, if is that what you looking for. Please, be more specific and clear.
• 1193[15:50:01] <Boodie> I would like to synchronise my files, encrypted using the cloud service provided by BT (1 TB). Unfortunately they don't support linux (e.g. there isn't an app for linux to synchronise the files/directories).
• 1194[15:50:35] <Boodie> The cloud storage is available via browser and the files can be uploaded, manually. I am trying to find a workaround ...
• 1195[15:53:14] <cybercrypto> Boodie: if you want /home/user/dir_sampĺe/* to be sync with cloud services? I am afraid this is a question related to front-end cloud of yours, and less related to Debian.
• 1196[15:55:45] <Boodie> It's not Debian related, albeit I am using Debian for the purpose. Given that there isn't a front-end for Linux (let alone debian), I was thinking of the following:
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• 1199[15:58:44] <Boodie> If I had an usb drive visible from both Buster and Win10 (I have dual boot), and the encrypted file (containing the directories) was sync-ed from Buster, I could login then to Win10 and let the app do its job (sync that infamous file on the cloud) ...
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• 1204[16:02:05] <frunks> Boodie: you may be able to run it with wine
• 1205[16:02:18] <cybercrypto> Boodie: Have you tried rsync or one of its applications? I rely much of backups using rsync + gpg
• 1206[16:02:31] <frunks> or use a javascript solution
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• 1209[16:03:08] <cybercrypto> frunks: Yes, thats a valid suggestion also. in case windows client is a must, you may try wine.
• 1210[16:03:16] <Boodie> I found this: replaced-url
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• 1216[16:08:56] <ueb> Hi there
• 1217[16:09:09] <ueb> I've got a problem with a SSH tunnel
• 1218[16:09:18] <ueb> ssh -L 55022:localhost:22 user@remote-host, it connects to remote host
• 1219[16:09:26] <ueb> on remote host: ssh -p 55022 localhost, does not connect: ssh: connect to host localhost port 55022: Connection refused
• 1220[16:09:32] <Boodie> frunks: How would you set a javascript? i.e. if I access the BT website via firefox (it works, asks me for user id+pwd), I am then given an address (e.g. https:/...BT/Cloudservice/cgn348v?;m12-nm234dzhiufpoic ... etc) that changes every time I access it.
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• 1222[16:09:47] <ueb> please any idea?
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• 1226[16:13:33] <frunks> ueb: make sure 55022 is forwarded
• 1227[16:14:16] <frunks> ueb: and that sshd is running on 55022
• 1228[16:14:40] <ueb> frunks locally sshd is running on 22
• 1229[16:15:26] <ueb> I need to make a tunnel between my 2 servers, from local to remote, and vice-versa
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• 1231[16:15:43] <ueb> local ip is not public, remote ip is public
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• 1236[16:19:12] <frunks> ueb: the local server is behind a router/modem with a public ip, right?
• 1237[16:19:19] <ueb> yes
• 1238[16:21:29] <frunks> ueb: so why would ssh -p 55022 localhost work?
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• 1240[16:22:19] <ueb> because there's an SSH connection active on 55022 from local to remote
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• 1242[16:22:32] <frunks> ueb: the router needs to forward public port 55022 to local 55022
• 1243[16:22:39] <ueb> some days ago it worked, I don't remember how
• 1244[16:22:58] <frunks> ueb: localnet is firewalled by router
• 1245[16:23:22] <frunks> ueb: all ports blocked by default
• 1246[16:23:22] <ueb> frunks no I did no portforwarding on router
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• 1248[16:24:20] <frunks> ueb: use nmap to verify that the port is open to remote ssh access
• 1249[16:24:49] <ueb> I suppose -R was the option
• 1250[16:27:10] <ueb> yes it works with -R
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• 1258[16:31:34] <jim> does debian no longer have chromium-browser?
• 1259[16:32:38] <cybercrypto> dpkg chromium
• 1260[16:32:38] <dpkg> Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Ask me about <pepper flash>. replaced-url
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• 1267[16:37:15] <annadane> ,v chromium
• 1268[16:37:16] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 80.0.3987.162-1~deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 83.0.4103.116-1~deb10u3; buster-security: 83.0.4103.116-1~deb10u3; bullseye: 83.0.4103.116-3+b1; sid:
• 1269[16:37:17] <judd> 83.0.4103.116-3+b1
• 1270[16:37:22] <annadane> should still have it?
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• 1302[16:52:44] <ksk> totally yes.
• 1303[16:52:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey does anybody use these? replaced-url
• 1304[16:52:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> looks like alot of broken stuff
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• 1306[16:53:06] <ksk> Eryn_1983_FL: that really looks like a 1990s webpage :>
• 1307[16:53:12] <ksk> ,v dhcpweb
• 1308[16:53:13] <judd> No package named 'dhcpweb' was found in amd64.
• 1309[16:53:33] <PaddyF> hello, i am using remaster-iso on buster. the attempt to install a printer driver (script from brother) fails because the script asks for the root password of localhost. and neither the user password nor the root password work
• 1310[16:53:42] <PaddyF> its a chrooted environment
• 1311[16:53:58] <ksk> Eryn_1983_FL: Should you really be looking for some kind of router software, I suggest looking at IPcop, OPnsense and the likes - dont just add a webinterface to a debian box
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• 1313[16:54:03] <PaddyF> what can i do to find out details of the problem?
• 1314[16:54:09] <ksk> you can of course build your router with debian, but you will need solid understanding of things.
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• 1316[16:54:40] <ksk> PaddyF: If that is about the cups webinterface: root-rootpw should let you in.
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• 1322[16:55:27] <PaddyF> i am root by default in that chroot
• 1323[16:55:34] <PaddyF> and i set a password
• 1324[16:55:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> ksk: lol
• 1325[16:55:47] <PaddyF> the problem is the driver installer
• 1326[16:55:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah we tried the router
• 1327[16:55:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> and we had issues,
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• 1347[17:11:45] <ksk> Eryn_1983_FL: mhm?
• 1348[17:12:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> well i think ill just do pfsense then
• 1349[17:12:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> its going to be a vm though
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• 1351[17:12:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> bit overkill for just dhcpd though
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• 1470[19:06:14] <colethegamer> Hello everybody, I have a Debian OS and I would like to add a Bluetooth speaker. I tried everything what I read on different forums but I cannot make it work. Somebody can give me a short help how to do it command by command? I have CLI only.
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• 1472[19:07:22] <annadane> colethegamer, check dmesg | grep -i firmware first of all to see if you're missing anything, though, if you're using a debian-based disto it's probably better to ask their support instead
• 1473[19:08:19] <colethegamer> I use the bluetooth already with different devices, so nothing should be missing.
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• 1475[19:08:37] <colethegamer> I already made the sucessfull bluetooth connection too with the device.
• 1476[19:08:44] <colethegamer> I just cannot send audio to that device.
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• 1480[19:12:06] <diogenes_> colethegamer, do you have bluetooth-pulseaudio installed? (name might be different)
• 1481[19:12:34] <colethegamer> of course.
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• 1483[19:14:04] <diogenes_> colethegamer, then try different profiles in pavucontrol > configuration.
• 1484[19:15:19] <colethegamer> I have only CLI.
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• 1500[19:37:52] <BalooRJ> Could anyone point me to a direction of how to sign a Realtek wireless driver installed with dkms so it can function with secureboot enabled?
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• 1502[19:38:19] <BalooRJ> I found some instructions online but they are for Fedora
• 1503[19:38:26] <BalooRJ> already have the driver installed and functioning
• 1504[19:39:31] <sney> it's on the debian wiki, replaced-url
• 1505[19:39:50] <sney> you will need to generate and enrol a mok, it's all on that page
• 1506[19:39:52] <nvz> colethegamer: the debian wiki is pretty straightforward on this matter..
• 1507[19:40:03] <nvz> dpkg, bluetooth?
• 1508[19:40:03] <dpkg> Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (replaced-url
• 1509[19:40:07] <colethegamer> Yes I tried everything what was written down.
• 1510[19:40:54] <nvz> colethegamer: well then I suggest you start coughing up some more information as to what specifically you did, what you expected, and what actually happened
• 1511[19:41:33] <nvz> I personally have only recently started getting BT stuff as it was always more expensive than I'd liked.. but I have only done it using the blueman GUI personally
• 1512[19:42:00] <nvz> but as I recall from reading the wiki, hcitool and stuff is pretty straightforward as well
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• 1514[19:43:25] <BalooRJ> sney: Thanks so much
• 1515[19:43:47] <sney> np
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• 1517[19:44:30] <BalooRJ> so it's basically just run the ssl command and import the key into mokutil?
• 1518[19:49:53] <jhutchins> BalooRJ: Why would you enable secureboot? It's purpose is to discourage you from installing linux.
• 1519[19:50:53] <quadrathoch2> jhutchins says who?
• 1520[19:51:33] <greycat> says everyone who isn't part of microsoft's marketing team
• 1521[19:52:11] <BalooRJ> even FOSS projects like GrapheneOS don't take that same tack. I don't necessarily agree.
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• 1534[20:03:34] <jhutchins> BalooRJ: Anybody working in the industry when they were developing it.
• 1535[20:04:16] <jhutchins> BalooRJ: Microsoft leaned on Intel to prevent alternative OSs from being installed, the industry leaned back because they were alreay using Linux for a lot of servers.
• 1536[20:05:00] <jhutchins> BalooRJ: Intel weaseled out by making it possible to disable it.
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• 1539[20:07:14] <jhutchins> BalooRJ: Sorry, that was meant for quadrathoch2
• 1540[20:07:30] <BalooRJ> It's alright, it is an interesting read nonetheless
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• 1545[20:11:15] <BalooRJ> It's a valid debate, because most hardware comes preloaded with OSes you don't want to use
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• 1547[20:11:51] <BalooRJ> so OEMs lock it down, preventing the use of free software like Linux. But at the same time, it could prove problematic if someone steals said software and loads something bad on it. I can see it cut both ways.
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• 1557[20:19:15] <jhutchins> In cases where we have corporate managed end-user hardware, it can be useful to prevent booting to un-controlled software, but that was a lot less common when they came out with it.
• 1558[20:20:35] <EdePopede> install the os, allow only booting from that disc, lock the changes in the bios, done.
• 1559[20:21:18] <EdePopede> it is easier to prevent booting from usb than to prevent some employer taking revenge for whatever using the usb killer
• 1560[20:21:44] <EdePopede> or employee, seems i still can't remember it
• 1561[20:22:07] <xlirate> I am having issues with glxinfo failing replaced-url
• 1562[20:22:26] <xlirate> I asked in #intel-gfx first, but it is dead quiet in there
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• 1565[20:24:39] <diogenes_> xlirate, could you provide xorg log?
• 1566[20:25:31] <xlirate> Sure, where do I find it?
• 1567[20:25:55] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
• 1568[20:25:55] <dpkg> Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead.
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• 1570[20:28:07] <xlirate> It is almost 70k, should I paste the entire thing, or is there some part I should pick out. Also, should any of the file's contents be treated as secret?
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• 1572[20:28:55] <diogenes_> xlirate, run: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1573[20:29:02] <diogenes_> and share the url you gonna get.
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• 1575[20:29:30] <greycat> make sure the time stamp indicates it's the *current* log, so you know you're looking at the right one
• 1576[20:29:41] <xlirate> replaced-url
• 1577[20:30:19] <xlirate> replaced-url
• 1578[20:31:07] <xlirate> that is .0.log and .8.log respectively
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• 1580[20:31:19] <diogenes_> xlirate, Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.7.0-2-amd64???? is it Debian 10 bunster?
• 1581[20:31:30] <greycat> You have an Xorg.8.log file? Did you run "startx -- :8" at some point or something?
• 1582[20:31:41] <xlirate> I don't think so
• 1583[20:31:48] <diogenes_> cat /etc/os-release | grep -i pretty
• 1584[20:32:00] <diogenes_> paste here the line you get.
• 1585[20:32:09] <xlirate> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid"
• 1586[20:32:29] <diogenes_> ahh so no clue about SID then.
• 1587[20:32:31] <xlirate> ok
• 1588[20:32:39] <xlirate> I will hop over to the other channel
• 1589[20:32:41] <jhutchins> !debian-next
• 1590[20:32:41] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 1593[20:34:51] <annadane> i said this the other day
• 1594[20:34:55] <annadane> well, anyway
• 1595[20:35:08] <greycat> You will say it every day, forever and ever.
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• 1599[20:39:48] <jhutchins> That's why it's a factoid.
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• 1620[21:15:00] <NetTerminalGene> why isn't there kiwix in repo?
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• 1623[21:17:17] <mutante> NetTerminalGene: the reader? because nobody spends the time maintaining it? there are some libraries for it though
• 1624[21:17:30] <mutante> and you saw the appimage on kiwix.org ?
• 1625[21:18:09] <NetTerminalGene> mutante: yes
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• 1627[21:19:28] <mutante> NetTerminalGene: ask them replaced-url
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• 1635[21:28:52] <_DeLa_> Some UEFI Firmware will only let non-Windows systems like Debian boot if the boot entry is labeled "Windows Boot Manager" nevertheless. Source: replaced-url
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• 1649[21:46:12] <dvs> _DeLa_, never happened to me and I have a ThinkPad.
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• 1651[21:47:07] <_DeLa_> dvs: For me, it's also a first-time. But still, I was about to give up and accept that Debian will not boot on my Acer Aspire ES 11 ...
• 1652[21:47:53] <dvs> _DeLa_, you could try the rescue mode of the install media to get a UEFI entry.
• 1653[21:48:15] <dvs> and try the "removeable media" option.
• 1654[21:48:15] <_DeLa_> dvs: I already fixed the issue via efibootmgr!
• 1655[21:48:30] <dvs> well that's good.
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• 1663[21:54:55] <_DeLa_> dvs: I first booted into the desktop environment and then fixed it via efibootmgr.
• 1664[21:55:25] <_DeLa_> Booting into DE was with the help of super grub disk 2
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• 1669[22:02:03] <dvs> ok, whatever works.
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