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7[00:02:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> axc1298, nothing... it just mounts as a drive
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10[00:02:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> axc1298, filemanager like pcmanfm or so can usually mount it
11[00:03:15] <axc1298> CutMeOwnThroat: it doesn't on mine
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13[00:03:22] <axc1298> i've tried dolphin and thunar
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18[00:04:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, look what happens in dmesg when you plug it in
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21[00:04:54] <axc1298> i'm reading the arch wiki. seems i may need to install kio-extras for it to work
22[00:04:58] <axc1298> for mtp support
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26[00:06:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> but this isn't mtp or ptp or whatever weird camera protocol
27[00:06:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> it just pretends to be a hard disk
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29[00:06:33] <TomTomTosch> newer android phones probably don't have a slave mode.
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36[00:09:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> what is it called now... voluntary unpaid worker?
37[00:09:42] <TomTomTosch> damn unions ruined it all.
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47[00:12:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> axc1298, failing that.. there's also airdroid to transfer files via wifi (don't forget to use the local mode, else it all goes over remote servers)
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50[00:14:01] <axc1298> CutMeOwnThroat: thanks i'll look into it if i need to
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69[00:27:36] <Malvok> CutMeOwnThroat, i finally got it installed, used fdisk to create a partition, then the installer recognized the drive and i deleted the partition and created a new paretrition scheme with the installer
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71[00:27:59] <Malvok> thanks for you help
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75[00:29:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> \o/
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188[01:23:20] <charliegreen> Hey, I'm having issues with waking up from hibernation. Disabling Kernel Mode-Setting fixes this, but I want to use KMS
189[01:23:44] <charliegreen> Specifically, I'm having the problem specified in the debian wiki page on KMS under the i915 intel graphics card bug list
190[01:23:52] <charliegreen> under "vbetool"
191[01:24:20] <charliegreen> ie upon wake the screen freezes, is black, and just has an underscore in the upper left (which is apparently a kernel bug)
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195[01:24:55] <charliegreen> the suggested fix is a modification to /etc/default/acpi-support, which doesn't exist on my system
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198[01:25:37] <charliegreen> googling seems to indicate that this is perhaps outdated advice, as acpi-support appears deprecated
199[01:25:55] <charliegreen> I'm on debian stretch with a 4.6 kernel
200[01:26:16] <charliegreen> Any advice?
201[01:27:20] <markybob> stretch support is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. that wiki being perfect reason why.
202[01:27:34] <vldcnst> Is this something I should fix? replaced-url
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204[01:28:08] <charliegreen> Ah, thank you, markybob; I thought it was on freenode and I couldn't join
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252[01:57:11] <maher> I'm using firefox 45 in debian stable - is there any way to get the close tab buttons to show up on all the tabs?
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258[02:05:39] <maher> nevermind...
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262[02:06:18] <awal1> maher, here (unstable) close button is present in all tabs
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278[02:13:45] <ryan-c> I've been meddling with my pam config, and now cron is giving me 'permission denied' errors as root when it tries to run.
279[02:14:05] <ryan-c> however, i've since restored the pam config files to match what's packaged and still seem to be having problems
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284[02:16:01] <ryan-c> oh, dpkg doesn't own those, and i need to run pam-auth-update
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482[04:31:54] <hanasaki> any support in debian for aufs?
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488[04:36:25] <kcirick> Hello. I usually use Chrome, but I want to give firefox a try. I installed it using apt-get, but I find it is very slow (lags on youtube). Is there a common fix for this?
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490[04:36:51] <kcirick> I've already disabled hardware acceleration (which I don't think helped), and disable smooth scrolling (which did help but not the youtube lag)
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500[04:50:12] <hanasaki> kcirick: I run it all the time w/o issue
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513[05:01:27] <kcirick> perhaps it has to do with my graphics card? I have intel graphics card that I had to use xserver-intel from jessie-backports
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517[05:04:17] <BW^-> on Debian, it's -llibMagickCore-6.Q16 . OpenBSD, it's -lMagickCore . how can I make a linking argument to GCC that's cross-platform??
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521[05:11:16] <kcirick> A little bit of googling helped: replaced-url
522[05:11:36] <kcirick> had to force-enable hardware acceleration
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524[05:12:24] <awal1> kcirick, remove adobe flash
525[05:12:34] <awal1> if installed
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531[05:20:07] <kcirick> awal1: do I not need it?
532[05:20:30] <BW^-> aha pkg-config fixed it
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535[05:21:29] <TomTomTosch> it's not installed if you don't add it yourself. it's in the non-free repo. and it's hard to find a video on yt that still only supports flash. nothing about your initial question involves flash in any way.
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537[05:22:35] <awal1> kcirick, well, I dont know if you need it. youtube uses html5 now, flash not really needed for that, and it's obsolete, very obsolete
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541[05:24:16] <awal1> it's just a seggestion, if you have it installed (adobeflashplugin-nonfree)
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544[05:25:55] <awal1> kcirick, firefox-esr is my main browser, but i have chromium+pepperflash and sometimes I use it for websites requiring adobe flash
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547[05:27:10] <awal1> you can run pepper in firefox, installing the wrapper browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
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549[05:27:58] <awal1> but it isn't covered by firefox sandboxing feature
550[05:28:15] <kcirick> awal1: I dont see adobeflashplugin-nonfree on synaptic
551[05:28:26] <kcirick> and I dont have pepperflash
552[05:28:43] <awal1> ok, forget it so
553[05:29:32] <kcirick> awal1: I think the gpu acceleration in the link I posted did the trick
554[05:29:57] <awal1> firefox has always been perfect for me, kcirick
555[05:30:16] <kcirick> awal1: what makes you pick firefox over chromium/chrome as default browser?
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557[05:30:32] <kcirick> just curious
558[05:30:55] <awal1> and i always enable hardware acceleration and auto+smooth scrolling
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560[05:33:23] <awal1> privacy, customization, security, license, well integrated with debian....
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563[05:34:03] <awal1> thousdands of addons...
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567[05:34:49] <kcirick> I think on average linux users prefer firefox over chrome...
568[05:35:14] <TomTomTosch> chromium, not chrome. chrome is a google thing and not even part of debian.
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570[05:35:27] <TomTomTosch> but you will get about the same out of chromium and firefox.
571[05:35:52] <kcirick> TomTomTosch: I'm using chrome ATM
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574[05:36:09] <TomTomTosch> then you are using a build from google and not one from a debian repo.
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576[05:36:39] <kcirick> TomTomTosch: correct
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586[05:40:39] <awal1> chrommium/chrome doesn't remove browsing history as the user request it. I was surprised how many browsing stuff are stored in ~/ even removing browsing data in firefox itself and even using bleachbit; i realised that via synapse...
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588[05:41:03] <awal1> in chromium itself ^
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592[05:42:27] <TomTomTosch> as long as it's local and not on a google server that's fine.
593[05:42:44] <awal1> who knows
594[05:43:00] <TomTomTosch> it's free software...
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597[05:43:31] <TomTomTosch> just delete the folder if you want to clean up. or use multiple user dirs.
598[05:43:57] <TomTomTosch> * user data dirs
599[05:44:14] <awal1> i was almost referring to chrome, not chromium
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607[05:45:46] <TomTomTosch> yeah, chrome is shady.
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618[05:51:09] <kcirick> TomTomTosch: what makes you think that? just because it's Google?
619[05:51:39] <TomTomTosch> because it's non-free software from a company that makes a living farming data?
620[05:51:41] <kcirick> I'm not trying to defend
621[05:52:28] <TomTomTosch> google provides software for free, gets data in return. that's how they make money.
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623[05:53:48] <hanasaki> TomTomTosch: as an fyi. chrome is the only way to run netflix on linux since it has the DRM
624[05:53:51] <kcirick> makes sense, but they wouldn't care about personal data right? just statistics they care about
625[05:54:32] <TomTomTosch> hanasaki: i'm aware, but i don't have netflix.
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628[05:55:43] <TomTomTosch> they care about linking as much data as possible to you, to improve their advertisement payoff.
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631[05:56:16] <markybob> i feel like we're talking about my ex
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635[05:57:58] <TomTomTosch> they try to look nice but everyone knows they are evil. both google and markybob's ex.
636[05:58:12] <markybob> so true
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646[06:07:12] <BW^-> uawal1: seriously that is not OK
647[06:07:23] <BW^-> TomTomTosch: yeah it spies on you for free, great!
648[06:07:28] <BW^-> I hope OpenBSD kicks out those parts ..
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650[06:08:00] <BW^-> chrome got momentum because FireFox was too bloated to support subdivision into more OS processes - that's the only feature Chrome really brings to users isn't it?
651[06:08:13] <TomTomTosch> but it's not in debian. google just provides a build on their server.
652[06:08:16] <BW^-> i mean, important thing. it has a faster JS engine too maybe but that is not a killer app.
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654[06:08:35] <BW^-> TomTomTosch: anyone forbids Debian to compile themselves+?
655[06:08:37] <BW^-> ??
656[06:09:02] <BW^-> TomTomTosch: and I hope Debian kicks out those parts.
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658[06:09:15] <TomTomTosch> what parts?
659[06:09:49] <BW^-> not removing history
660[06:09:55] <BW^-> login to rmeote server to upload all your private data there
661[06:09:55] <BW^-> etc
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663[06:10:08] <TomTomTosch> debian does provide a completely free chromium version with constant security updates.
664[06:10:13] <markybob> BW^-: sure certainly parts arent free. like their speech system. chromium doesn't have "okay google"
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678[06:20:18] <BW^-> tomtomtosch: good.
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716[06:45:16] <ryouma> is there an issue with the jessie backports kernel? when i try to upgrade linux-image-amd64, aptitude says i should delete it. what?
717[06:45:43] <ryouma> "linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 : Depends: linux-base (>= 4.3~) but 3.5 is installed."
718[06:45:48] <ryouma> " Remove the following packages: 1) linux-image-amd64 Keep the following packages at their current version: 2) linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 [Not Installed] "
719[06:46:02] <ryouma> i guess this means backports is too advanced for jessie?
720[06:46:11] <ryouma> i don't mind deleting it, but just curious
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723[06:47:31] <TomTomTosch> linux-image-amd64 is only a meta package. it can be safely removed. and jessie-backports can hardly be too advanced for jessie.
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734[06:58:06] <TrivialGravitas> -nibbles on you-
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750[07:13:17] <reev> Hii I want to run a cron at midnight but sometime machine is not running during night hours , how am i suppose to run my cron script in such case
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756[07:17:25] <Emil> reev: use sone other cron
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758[07:17:49] <reev> Emil anacron ?
759[07:18:00] <Emil> there are many
760[07:18:30] <reev> Emil And what are those?
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765[07:24:30] <ryouma> anacron i think is meant for stuff like that
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797[07:44:03] <Emil> reev: you can use your favourite search engine
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799[07:44:08] <Emil> Anycase
800[07:44:23] <Emil> none of them wake up your computer during the night as I understand it
801[07:44:57] <Emil> If you have another computer in the network you could msybe have it do a network wakeup which would then boot your machine
802[07:45:14] <Emil> And the job would then run
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804[07:45:41] <Emil> That would require your bios/efi supporting that feature
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871[08:16:57] <Zliba> i'm using xfce because my MATE broke (lol), but I miss the gui process / task viewer which had processes listed by CPU usage, etc. I'd like one that displays CPU and hard drive usage..... any suggestions for a XFCE suitable one?
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884[08:24:02] <Zliba> mate-system-monitor --- it had a nice panel applet that had a visual display too
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889[08:25:19] <dka> I have a bash script, when I run "paas/clone.sh >> $HOME/install.log", it will append the log in an install.log file, but it will not be displayed in stdout/stderr, is there a way to do so?
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891[08:25:48] <dka> I have the same question with "node paas >> $HOME/install.log", don't know if it depend of the interpret
892[08:25:51] <dka> +er
893[08:25:55] <Zliba> echo?
894[08:26:57] <dka> what echo?
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896[08:28:06] <dka> Zliba, could you be more accurate , eg: `node paas >> $HOME/install.log | xargs echo `
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899[08:29:03] <Zliba> >> $HOME/install.log ; echo "xargs"
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901[08:29:52] <unborn> dka replaced-url
902[08:30:02] <Zliba> this is a really really basic bash question; #programming is good
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918[08:39:14] <hassoon> d'ih i need ruby 2.3 to install devdocs
919[08:39:17] <hassoon> d'oh *
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929[08:43:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> ruby is kind of the arch of programming languages?
930[08:44:00] * hassoon compiles the last ruby version
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932[08:44:13] <hassoon> otherwise i searched for devdocs in the repositories but haven't found it
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934[08:44:24] <saunamees> what does it mean "arch of programming languages" ?
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936[08:45:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> dka, | tee -a somefile (or 2>&1 | tee -a somefile )
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938[08:46:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> Zliba, for a really basic programming (actually, not, it's bash scripting so it would be --> #bash ) .... you could refrain from giving a wrong answer?
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940[08:46:30] <nanooo> hi guys... I'm having some trouble with apt-get... replaced-url
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943[08:46:46] <Zliba> CutMeOwnThroat, i could
944[08:46:55] <nanooo> why doesn't it install the dependencies?
945[08:47:29] <saunamees> well, just answering here like "command 2>&1 | tee -a outfile" could save him the trouble, because we all know it. No need to route him to other place
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949[08:48:18] <hassoon> then again..Sorry debian for mistreating you, we have the Zeal offline API documentation tool, i don't need to compile ruby manually in order to yet install devdocs manually
950[08:48:21] <hassoon> my bad
951[08:48:40] <hassoon> just found it :>
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957[08:50:06] <nanooo> I'm on jessie, but also have some packages from backports
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959[08:51:12] <nanooo> apt-show-versions output: replaced-url
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962[08:52:06] <nanooo> there are quite a few packages that are "newer than version in archive"
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964[08:53:17] <nanooo> is it possible to revert back to jessie stable?
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967[08:54:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes... about 230
968[08:54:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> you had some other repos and removed them
969[08:55:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> not really... downgrading packages is not supported (for hopefully obvious reasons)
970[08:55:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, partial downgrade
971[08:55:40] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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973[08:56:14] <nanooo> argh this looks bad
974[08:56:17] <babilen> Could also pin jessie to a priority >= 1001 and perform a dist-upgrade. If that works or not is undefined.
975[08:56:33] <babilen> nanooo: Which other repositories did you have enabled?
976[08:57:12] <babilen> Hmm, those might also be outdated packages. Did you upgrade that box from wheezy?
977[08:57:21] <nanooo> yes
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979[08:57:34] <nanooo> only sources I have are stable and backports
980[08:57:51] <nanooo> and updates
981[08:58:29] <nanooo> oh and debian multimedia recently
982[08:58:37] <babilen> But you removed that?
983[08:58:49] <nanooo> no they are still in sources.list
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985[08:59:34] <babilen> Well, your system is in a bit of an undefined state with some packages not being found at all, some newer than what is in the archive and some leftovers from wheezy (or even earlier versions)
986[09:00:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions gstreamer1.0-plugins-base:amd64
987[09:00:34] <judd> No package named 'gstreamer1.0-plugins-base:amd64' was found in amd64.
988[09:00:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions gstreamer1.0-plugins-base
989[09:00:44] <judd> Package: gstreamer1.0-plugins-base on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.2.4-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.4-2; sid: 1.8.2-1; stretch: 1.8.2-1; experimental: 1.9.1-1
990[09:01:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> 1.4.5-2 newer than version in archive
991[09:01:18] <babilen> One might start by removing all packages that aren't in a currently configured repo (aptitude remove ~o) and then perform the dist-upgrade with jessie pinned to >= 1001 ..
992[09:01:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's not from wheezy or wheezy backports
993[09:01:30] <babilen> In particular the latter step might break your system quite a lot
994[09:01:45] <babilen> CutMeOwnThroat: I guess it was installed from dmo at one point
995[09:01:52] <babilen> But *shrug*
996[09:01:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm. possible
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998[09:02:29] <nanooo> that sounds bad
999[09:02:39] <nanooo> shiaat
1000[09:02:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> bash:amd64 4.3-12 <-- that one isn't from dmm
1001[09:02:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions bash
1002[09:02:53] <judd> Package: bash on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.1-3; squeeze-security-lts: 4.1-3+deb6u2; wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; jessie: 4.3-11+b1; stretch: 4.3-15; sid: 4.3-15; experimental: 4.4~rc1-1
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1006[09:03:18] <babilen> nanooo: Did you ever have any other repos in your sources.list ?
1007[09:03:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> looks like from testing to me
1008[09:03:30] <babilen> Likely, yeah
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1010[09:03:53] <nanooo> yeah it might be possibel that I had testing in there some time ago
1011[09:04:01] <nanooo> but I'm not sure... looks like it tho
1012[09:04:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, it looks like some time ago
1013[09:04:13] <babilen> Just to make sure the system is really b0rked? ;)
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1015[09:04:39] <nanooo> f*****ck
1016[09:04:42] <nanooo> xD
1017[09:04:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> nanooo, you could of course leave the mess and just see if aptitude can find a solution to your current install problem
1018[09:05:25] <nanooo> I tried aptitude and it kind of wants to remove my whole system to resolve the issue xD
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1020[09:06:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> it offers different solutions
1021[09:06:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> choose one that only removes half of the system
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1024[09:07:53] <nanooo> if I run aptitude with -s it only simulates, right? ^^
1025[09:08:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think easiest might be to re-install, obviously save home and maybe /etc or /var/replaced-url
1026[09:08:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> and clone the package list so you end up with something close to your current package selection
1027[09:08:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg debian clone
1028[09:08:34] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
1029[09:08:42] <babilen> dpkg: aptitude clone
1030[09:08:42] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
1031[09:09:02] <babilen> (that would obviously still include packages you don't want)
1032[09:09:12] <nanooo> yeah reinstalling is my last resort, this is actually my root server
1033[09:09:19] <babilen> (as they are no longer available or aren't availbale anymore)
1034[09:09:27] <nanooo> but I can't recall when I messed it up so...
1035[09:09:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> but that's no problem, as those cannot be installed
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1037[09:09:41] <babilen> Well .. looks like a slow fuckup over time
1038[09:09:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> and dpkg --set-selections doesn't save the versions
1039[09:09:50] <babilen> yeah
1040[09:10:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> actually...
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1042[09:11:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> you know... a way to fix stuff like that would be to simulate a fresh install like that... and use the package selection and their versions as a solution to the dependency problem
1043[09:11:30] <nanooo> babilen, fuckup over time is my specialty
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1045[09:12:31] <nanooo> I think at some point I needed a dev package from testing for a certain build and then things started to go south I guess
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1048[09:12:50] <babilen> Do *not* mix stable with testing/unstable
1049[09:12:58] <babilen> ever
1050[09:13:17] <nanooo> yeah I need to put that in my motd :D
1051[09:13:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> not even if the mafia will rip off your leg if you don't?
1052[09:13:22] <babilen> It's a better idea to just track those releases directly (obviously not on production boxes) than mixing releases
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1056[09:14:27] <nanooo> sooo let's prep to wipe that box
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1059[09:15:06] <nanooo> actually, replaced-url
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1062[09:16:44] <babilen> nanooo: What are apt-get and aptitude trying to do when you ping jessie to 1001 ?
1063[09:16:48] <babilen> *pin
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1069[09:18:02] <nanooo> let's see..
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1072[09:19:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> you could also try to save the package list using one or both of the clone methods above
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1074[09:19:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> then let aptitude "fix" things by removing a lot
1075[09:20:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> and then try to get back most of the packages from the clone list
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1077[09:20:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> if you think of reinstalling anyway, trying that cannot do much harm
1078[09:20:51] <nanooo> babilen, Package: *, Pin: release a=jessie, Pin-Priority: 1001, right?
1079[09:21:06] <babilen> Something like that, yueah
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1082[09:21:46] <nanooo> CutMeOwnThroat, I'll give it a try :) I just checked my backups, should be not that much of an effort to start fresh
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1084[09:22:00] <nanooo> still not what I planned xD
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1086[09:22:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm, but that would leave you with some packages in wrong versions, as whatever aptitude is trying to fix doesn't systematically account for them
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1088[09:22:37] <nanooo> so what do I run aptitude with after pinning?
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1090[09:22:57] <babilen> "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" and "aptitude -s full-upgrade"
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1098[09:26:14] <nanooo> it upgrades tzdata ^^
1099[09:26:28] <nanooo> that's it
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1101[09:27:22] <babilen> \o/
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1103[09:27:47] <nanooo> sooo... wipe?
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1116[09:32:50] <nanooo> btw do you guys prefer apt-get or aptitude
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1118[09:34:30] <somiaj> nanooo: depends on what I'm doing. I use apt-get most the time, aptitude has different logic and can do somethings better than apt-get, there is also 'apt' which is based off of apt-get but its own thing.
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1121[09:36:22] <nanooo> alright so if I try and let aptitude "resolve" stuff for libcairo2-dev it tells me it will install/remove a bunch of lib* packages and asks me if I want to accept the proposed solution. typing y, it returns with "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed."
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1125[09:38:57] <somiaj> nanooo: so you ahve a specific issue. Can you paste the output of the command you run and all of the info it gives.
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1127[09:39:32] <somiaj> nanooo: also can you state your goal. Are you tryign to install some package/libary? If you use jessie-backports, due to pinning sometimes apt has trouble resolving things correctly.
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1141[09:45:58] <nanooo> sorry somiaj, apparently I messed up my system over time and now apt-get went bezerk ^^ I was trying to install libcairo2-dev (among other dev packages that I need) and apt-get returned this: replaced-url
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1144[09:48:15] <nanooo> now babilen suggested to pin jessie to 1001 and run apt-get dist-upgrade but that doesn't do anything... If I go ahead and do aptitude install libcairo2-dev it gives me this replaced-url
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1147[09:49:20] <babilen> nanooo: What did "aptitude remove ~o" want to do again?
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1150[09:50:48] <nanooo> no such user or named directory: o
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1153[09:50:51] <nanooo> ^^
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1155[09:51:30] <babilen> nanooo: Escape it as '~o'
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1158[09:52:35] <nanooo> oh
1159[09:52:50] <nanooo> replaced-url
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1166[09:54:52] <babilen> nanooo: I guess you are in for a reinstall unless you want to spend a lot of time on this
1167[09:55:32] <nanooo> yeah I'm already reading up on how to restore my lvm partitions during a reinstall xD
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1209[10:15:57] <Iridos> nanooo, if you haven't already... what does "aptitude -f install" want to do?
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1212[10:18:04] <nanooo> Iridos, nothing
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1214[10:18:43] <Iridos> ha.
1215[10:18:46] <Iridos> so there is no problem :P
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1219[10:19:43] <Iridos> judd, versions libavutil53
1220[10:19:44] <judd> Package: libavutil53 on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 6:10.1-1~bpo70+1
1221[10:19:50] <Iridos> oh, duh.
1222[10:20:01] <Iridos> judd, kernels
1223[10:20:02] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc4-686-pae (4.7~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.3-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.3-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
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1228[10:22:50] <Iridos> nanooo, you still have the pinning of 1001 on stable?
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1230[10:23:15] <Iridos> hm, nevermind, you don't have testing in your list anymore anyway
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1235[10:24:33] <nanooo> yeah I think my best bet will be reinstall /
1236[10:24:36] <Iridos> oh well, agreed that it's a reinstall
1237[10:24:44] <Iridos> the other thing I was thinking off...
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1239[10:24:54] <Iridos> you can do stuff like apt-get install traceroute --reinstall
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1242[10:25:02] <Iridos> and that should give you the version from stable
1243[10:25:19] <nanooo> ha
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1249[10:26:21] <nanooo> "Reinstallation of traceroute is not possible, it cannot be downloaded."
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1251[10:26:27] <nanooo> fuck this system :D
1252[10:27:20] <Iridos> so in principle you could do something like for package in $(apt-show-versions | grep -v -e jessie -e bdo | awk '{print $1}' | sed 's/:a.*//;'); do echo apt-get install $package --reinstall; done
1253[10:27:31] <Iridos> (without the echo, obviously)
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1255[10:27:50] <Iridos> but there's some funny stuff in your list... xorg for one thing
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1257[10:28:16] <nanooo> well I installed that couple of days ago for vnc access
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1260[10:28:40] <nanooo> or do you mean the specific version of xorg
1261[10:29:11] <Iridos> yes
1262[10:29:18] <Iridos> your xorg is from testing
1263[10:29:35] <nanooo> really
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1265[10:29:54] <nanooo> judd, versions xorg
1266[10:29:55] <judd> Package: xorg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:7.7+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:7.7+7; sid: 1:7.7+15; stretch: 1:7.7+15
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1268[10:30:05] <Iridos> well, at least it's in your list of packages that are not from jessie in apt-show-versions
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1270[10:30:19] <dka> I have a HDD clone stating, I am on Debian, I want both drive to be mounted on the same point if they use the slot1, is it possible ?
1271[10:30:28] <nanooo> but it says "xorg:amd64/jessie 1:7.7+7 uptodate"
1272[10:30:42] <Iridos> right. sorry. x11-common
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1274[10:30:59] <nanooo> yes that is messed up
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1276[10:31:07] <Iridos> also base-files
1277[10:31:10] <Iridos> and apt
1278[10:31:40] <nanooo> I might have screwed up at some point and ran dist-upgrade while having testing in sources
1279[10:31:46] <Iridos> apt may be the scariest one to downgrade
1280[10:31:54] <Iridos> oh and init
1281[10:32:01] <nanooo> I'll just wipe that shit ^^
1282[10:32:49] <Iridos> or could upgrade fully to testing
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1288[10:36:29] <nanooo> I'd rather reinstall stable
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1291[10:37:21] <nanooo> or... depends how 'stable' testing is
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1298[10:39:42] <nanooo> nah... reinstall it is... fuck it
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1316[10:50:02] <nanooo> one question regarding LVM tho
1317[10:50:52] <nanooo> my setup is that /dev/sda1 is my / and /dev/sda2 is a huge lvm volume for other stuff like /home etc
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1319[10:51:34] <nanooo> if I just wipe /dev/sda1 and reinstall /, what do I need to do to get my lvm volumes back?
1320[10:51:54] <nanooo> do I just install lvm2 and put my /etc/lvm back?
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1331[10:59:15] <Iridos> have you looked into /etc/lvm/
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1337[11:00:58] <nanooo> what?
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1343[11:02:40] <Iridos> have you looked at the file(s) there?
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1345[11:02:50] <Iridos> there's nothing specific to your lvm in the config file, is there?
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1350[11:04:31] <Iridos> and... dunno... I have everything on an encrypted lvm except boot... I guess if lucky the installer would detect it, else I'd have to set it up from the shell, then delete / and tell the installer to use the existing dir
1351[11:04:32] <nanooo> well not the lvm.conf but archive and backup certainly is my current setup
1352[11:04:56] <Iridos> I only have lvm.conf and backup... and backup is empty
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1355[11:05:18] <nanooo> ha
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1357[11:05:50] <Iridos> and ... no idea. you learn about stuff when things go wrong
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1359[11:06:11] <Iridos> and since I set this and another machine up as encrypted lvm... I've had no problems at all
1360[11:06:16] <Iridos> hope that blissful state will remain
1361[11:06:16] <nanooo> well that stuff on the lvm is kind of important so I dont want to lose it ^^
1362[11:06:28] <Iridos> ha.
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1364[11:06:35] <Iridos> but then you already have backups of it :-}
1365[11:06:44] <Iridos> *cough*
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1367[11:07:11] <nanooo> *cough* nah
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1369[11:07:28] <Iridos> well, time to get some?
1370[11:07:33] <nanooo> only backups of my system files itself not the data stored on the lvm ^^
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1374[11:08:39] <nanooo> there is no way to encrypt an existing lvm right
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1376[11:09:16] <Iridos> I think "no way" is exaggerating it a bit... but... yeah
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1399[11:25:00] <BW^-> is kdiff3 your favourite graphical DIFF tool ever, or do you like any other one even more?
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1402[11:28:29] <wondiws> since when can't I do "setterm -bfreq" anymore? I believe this is what I've always used to disable annoying beep
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1406[11:29:40] <Velveeta_Chef> Is there a list of USB WIFI adapters that work with Debian?
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1416[11:40:30] <jeremie> Hi everybody, i'm currently using debian 8.4 with gnome and i'm looking for a shortcut to switch between my applications, and not between a group of those,....
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1418[11:41:10] <jeremie> Could anyone give me a hint pretty please ?
1419[11:41:21] <Iridos> wondiws, manpage calls this --bfreq?
1420[11:41:37] <wondiws> Iridos, didn't work either, but I now use xset -b
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1422[11:43:21] <Iridos> seems you need TERM=linux and a terminal that actually understands that
1423[11:43:48] <Iridos> wondiws, on a global level, you can unload/blacklist the pcspkr module
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1446[12:00:24] <dionysus69> how can I troubleshoot this, cpu temperature is 82 degrees and no process using more than 5% of cpu
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1448[12:00:48] <spleen> Hello all
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1451[12:01:05] <spleen> i have serval version of a package in my repos
1452[12:01:08] <spleen> how to specify the wanted version to install with apt-get ?
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1464[12:07:32] <touk> Hello all, small login loop with debian Jessie. Found some very unclear ressources online, any ideas how to proceed?
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1466[12:07:57] <JyZyXEL> what is a small login loop?
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1469[12:08:47] <touk> JyZyXEL: Hmm. Means I arrive to the splash screen, it logs in (recognize the password), then I have a dark screen, and I'm back again on the splash screen - ad inifinitum.
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1472[12:09:57] <touk> Recovery Mode doesn't help and I can connect via Command Line in my session.
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1474[12:10:14] <JyZyXEL> touk: what splash screen? "it" logs in?
1475[12:10:37] <jelly> touk: if you create a new user, does it happen with that user as well?
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1477[12:11:18] <touk> JyZyXEL: By splash screen, I meant the traditional Gnome Login In Screen.
1478[12:11:26] <touk> jelly: I try that now.
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1481[12:12:23] <jelly> spleen: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" please. Merely installing it may not be enough to keep that version afterwards on upgrades.
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1483[12:13:43] <jelly> spleen: it's not terribly clear from the manual page, but the syntax "apt-get install package=version" works
1484[12:14:23] <JyZyXEL> touk: ah, so Gnome is failing to start. i would start by looking at log-files like /var/log/Xorg... or ~/.xsession-errors or some gnome specific log if such things exist
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1486[12:14:56] <touk> jelly: it does the same
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1489[12:15:21] <touk> JyZyXEL: Doing that now.
1490[12:15:51] <teraflops> touk: journalctl if you do GDM
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1496[12:17:50] <touk> teraflops: What should I look at in journalctl?
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1498[12:18:15] <teraflops> gnome*/gdm related stuff?
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1503[12:21:18] <touk> teraflops: journalctl | grep gnome*/gdm gives displays nothing.
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1511[12:24:03] <teraflops> touk: you literally run `journalctl | grep gnome*/gdm` ?
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1513[12:25:05] <touk> teraflops: nope. Runned journalctl | grep gnome ; journalctl | grep *gnome* ; journal ctl | grep gdm ; journalctl | grep *gdm*
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1515[12:25:31] <teraflops> touk: and you are using GDM?
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1517[12:27:22] <touk> teraflops: yes, I guess so. I have gnome running, gdm3 installed, and never modified anything to the "graphical user logins"
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1521[12:28:41] <teraflops> touk: I get hundreds of lines if I do journalctl | grep gnome or grep gdm, and I do gdm so i have no idea whats going on there, also use sudo journalctl
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1526[12:31:27] <touk> teraflops: Get it, I restarted in Recovery Mode, so didn't enter GDM yet. Doing the thing now.
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1530[12:34:53] <touk> teraflops: don't even have a journal, journalctl says when using normal boot, arriving to login and starting a console with ctr+alt+f3
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1532[12:37:26] <teraflops> touk: hmm, let me check my journal.conf
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1537[12:39:48] <teraflops> touk: well I do persistent here apart from that it looks pretty debian standard,
1538[12:40:31] <teraflops> touk: what about systemctl status gdm3?
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1541[12:41:10] <nanooo_> hi guys ;)
1542[12:41:14] <nanooo_> webchat now ^^
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1544[12:41:53] <nanooo_> so I reinstalled jessie via rescue console but now I'm getting ssh connection refused errors
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1546[12:43:18] <nanooo_> systemd won't let me status services in chroot tho....
1547[12:43:37] <nanooo_> how can I check if sshd is started/enabled via chroot in rescue mode
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1553[12:49:29] <teraflops> nanooo_: why did you reinstall via rescue console? also what's wrong with doing a reboot if you reinstalled the system?
1554[12:49:52] <teraflops> is there some information youre omitting?
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1560[12:50:47] <nanooo_> well we figured out earlier that my system was messed up (mixed testing packages and stuff) so I decided to reinstall... since it's a headless server, I chose the rescue console ;)
1561[12:51:12] <teraflops> nanooo_: sorry but what do you think is rescue console?
1562[12:51:20] <nanooo_> what?
1563[12:51:27] <teraflops> yeah that
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1565[12:51:59] <teraflops> i never heard you have to install debian in rescue console whatever that is
1566[12:52:38] <nanooo_> I reinstalled the system utilizing deboostrap the usual way
1567[12:53:08] <teraflops> no, the usual way is not using deboostrap, also you said rescue console before
1568[12:53:23] <nanooo_> whats the usual way then, teraflops
1569[12:53:24] <teraflops> not that I dislike deboostrap
1570[12:54:20] <teraflops> nanooo_: youre confusing me as hell and i do not have the motivation to ask you for trying to get what you did, sorry
1571[12:54:47] <nanooo_> alright then
1572[12:54:50] <nanooo_> :D
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1575[12:56:59] <teraflops> nanooo_: the usual way is using a debian iso and booting it up, if you do headless of course debootrap is fine (I do too). what I asked above is: why dont you reboot the machine since you already installed the system? if you install ssh it gets enabled by default, just setup a new user since debian does not allow root ssh logins by default
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1578[12:58:59] <nanooo_> teraflops, sorry for being confusing. I did a reboot and I can ping my server, but ssh gives me "connection refused". I also added my public rsa key into /root/.ssh/authorized_keys (chmod 600) and also have a user setup. both give me connection refused
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1580[13:00:00] <teraflops> nanooo_: are you sure is not related to your ssh keys?
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1584[13:00:53] <nanooo_> I also tried to give root permit via password and removed the ssh key stuff, same result
1585[13:01:13] <teraflops> logic says to me, first try with plain default ssh, then check ssh keys and all the stuff
1586[13:01:19] <babilen> dpkg: connection refused
1587[13:01:20] <dpkg> When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address/TCP port at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
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1589[13:02:01] <teraflops> nanooo_: ofc disable your firewall (if any) or allow ssh connections
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1592[13:03:50] <nanooo_> there is no firewall, and because of what dpkg said I went back to rescue mode and tried to check if sshd is really enabled...
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1594[13:04:45] <wondiws> my notebook overheats when I compile a large program. Now I can see quickly before poweroff the shutdown sequence on the console, yet when I power up again it still needs to recover the journal. So the shutdown wasn't clean after all?
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1596[13:04:56] <nanooo_> ok so rescue console is a live system that gives me access to my server and harddrives, so I can mount my /dev/sda1 for example and chroot into it
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1599[13:05:07] <nanooo_> and that brings us back to my initial question "how can I check if sshd is started/enabled via chroot in rescue mode"
1600[13:05:16] <nanooo_> sorry
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1603[13:06:18] <nanooo_> if the underlying system would not boot in the first place, I would not be able to ping it, right?
1604[13:06:54] <babilen> right
1605[13:07:30] <teraflops> nanooo_: if you believe ssh service is not started at boot, once deboostrapped in, check the symlink: /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/ssh.socket to /lib/systemd/system/ssh.socket
1606[13:08:15] <teraflops> nanooo_: sorry for asking it but the machine is reachable over the network right?
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1609[13:08:33] <nanooo_> I can ping it, yes
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1611[13:09:06] <nanooo_> well nice, there is no symlink
1612[13:09:23] <teraflops> nanooo_: if the symlink des not exists or is just broken go create it by hand
1613[13:09:38] <teraflops> … and reboot
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1616[13:10:39] <nanooo_> but why wouldn't it create the symlink
1617[13:10:49] <teraflops> no idea to be honest
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1622[13:12:12] <nanooo_> I did 'apt-get install ssh' while in chroot
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1624[13:13:45] <markybob> that's the client. openssh-server is the server
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1629[13:14:06] <teraflops> afaik ssh is a metapackage that install openssh-server and openssh-client
1630[13:14:25] <nanooo_> well after setting the symlink manually it works as expected, thanks teraflops
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1632[13:14:34] <teraflops> np
1633[13:14:39] <nanooo_> and sorry again for being confusing :D
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1635[13:14:49] <teraflops> nanooo_: nah, it's fine
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1641[13:16:39] <nanooo_> something seems off tho...
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1644[13:17:06] <babilen> No more broken packages? ;)
1645[13:17:32] <nanooo_> hahah babilen, no... in fact no packages at all right now ;)
1646[13:17:45] <nanooo_> fighting with systemd and ssh tho
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1655[13:21:52] <babilen> Anything in particular?
1656[13:21:57] <teraflops> heh
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1663[13:25:12] <FREE_PI3> #apollo-core jackhammer
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1668[13:25:48] <teraflops> !pastefail
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1688[13:34:44] <veloist> Hi!
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1690[13:36:40] <veloist> What is the proper way of installing the proprietary Nvidia drivers for an old GeForce FX 5900XT in Debian Stretch?
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1692[13:36:55] <veloist> I looked at replaced-url
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1698[13:39:19] <jelly> veloist: what does nvidia-detect say?
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1701[13:40:17] <veloist> jelly, I didn't know about that (first time I'm in front of a computer with an Nvidia GPU) ... let me add non-free and install.
1702[13:41:11] <jelly> if it's an old card it may work well enough with nouveau
1703[13:41:19] <teraflops> yeah
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1706[13:41:51] <jelly> even my GT720 works well enough with free drivers in stretch
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1708[13:42:25] <jelly> and if it's really old you don't even have any other option
1709[13:42:27] <veloist> jelly, so these old cards are just incapable of running Cinnamon or of scrolling acceptably in Firefox?
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1711[13:42:49] <touk> teraflops: missed your previous message.
1712[13:42:50] <jelly> veloist: I have no idea. Where's that paste.
1713[13:43:15] <touk> I wonder how much the "GDM login loop" doesn't come from space missing.
1714[13:43:39] <teraflops> touk: 12:40:31 teraflops ⎸ touk: what about systemctl status gdm3?
1715[13:43:50] <jelly> whoa, 2003
1716[13:43:56] <touk> teraflops: systectl says GDM is loaded and running
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1719[13:44:18] <jelly> veloist: yeah I'd go with "incapable," use a non-compositing 2D window manager
1720[13:44:28] <veloist> jelly, "whoa" as in, "that thing has worse performance than a Hercules"?
1721[13:44:32] <veloist> okay
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1723[13:44:42] <jelly> it's just really old
1724[13:44:52] <teraflops> touk: i cannot believe you have no journalctl -U gdm3 output
1725[13:44:53] <veloist> hhh
1726[13:44:56] <veloist> "Uh oh. Your card is only supported by the 173.14 legacy drivers series, which is not in any current Debian suite."
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1729[13:45:27] <veloist> okay convinced. i'll be back after logging out of cinnamon and into mate. just want some desktop that'll be good for computer-illiterate users.
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1731[13:45:50] <touk> teraflops: it says "journalctl | grep gdm" says "loaded active running"
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1734[13:46:18] <teraflops> systemctl status gdm3 says that?
1735[13:46:33] <teraflops> sorry
1736[13:46:52] <teraflops> I mean journalctl -U gdm3
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1741[13:50:02] <touk> teraflops: journalctl --unit=gdm3 / gdm / gnome
1742[13:50:14] <touk> teraflops: "No journals found"
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1746[13:51:02] <nanooo_> ah what a nice feeling to be on a clean system :D
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1751[13:53:13] <touk> It seems my disk space memory is considered to be full, but whenever I do "df -sh", only the /dev/dm-0 (LVM) is full, is it normal?
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1755[13:54:48] <touk> (have only one physical disk)
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1758[13:56:03] <Iridos> nanooo_, how did the lvm thing work out
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1761[13:57:10] <veloist> Back!
1762[13:57:12] <nanooo_> Iridos, worked out of the box, just installed lvm2 and it recognized everything
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1764[13:57:31] <veloist> jelly, XFCE is definitely the right environment on this old Athlon :)
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1766[13:57:45] <jelly> that makes a bit more sense yes
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1768[13:58:11] <veloist> jelly, both the GPU and the screen (which is quite new, actually) should be capable of 1680x1050 though, but the maximum I can set is 1024x768. How do I figure out why?
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1774[14:00:32] <jelly> veloist: is it an AGP or a PCI-e card?
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1776[14:00:54] <jelly> perhaps not even nouveau supports it?
1777[14:01:13] <veloist> jelly looking at the mainboard, i'd say that looks like AGP
1778[14:01:32] <jelly> veloist: pastebin the "lspci -nn" output for the card and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
1779[14:01:35] <jelly> !paste
1780[14:01:35] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
1781[14:01:53] <jelly> and consider trying an _older_ debian release
1782[14:02:03] <veloist> jelly, "for the card" meaning that you want me to grep for its id?
1783[14:02:20] <jelly> veloist: I mean the line matching the card, yes
1784[14:02:21] <veloist> older debian release would be REALLY unfortunate because of some of the software requirements for this box.
1785[14:03:12] <afernandez_> Is this correct? replaced-url
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1787[14:03:37] <veloist> jelly, replaced-url
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1789[14:04:46] <veloist> jelly, replaced-url
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1799[14:07:35] <jelly> veloist: apparently your output device did not present the correct display modes via EDID (lines 149 onwards)
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1802[14:07:57] <jelly> veloist: try using DVI instead of VGA
1803[14:08:27] <jelly> assuming the monitor has a DVI-D or HDMI input.
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1805[14:10:25] <wewlad> hello, debs, how to teach ssh client understand Cyrillic?
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1809[14:11:39] <teraflops> wewlad: check your locales in the remote server?
1810[14:11:43] <jelly> wewlad: what fails to work?
1811[14:11:46] <jelly> !ask
1812[14:11:46] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1814[14:13:02] <afernandez_> I am kind of confused with this umask stuff
1815[14:13:04] <afernandez_> What umask value will result in the default access permissions of 600 (rw-------) for files and 700
1816[14:13:05] <afernandez_> (rwx------) for directories? (Provide only the numerical umask value)
1817[14:13:06] <jelly> wewlad: use "locale" command to figure out which cyrillic-capable locale you're using on the local system, and on the remote machine. Then make sure these are compatible.
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1819[14:13:18] <jelly> afernandez_: 077
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1821[14:13:39] <wewlad> teraflops: remote server is windows, I don't know what and where to check there.
1822[14:13:39] <wewlad> jelly: I get greeted like this replaced-url
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1824[14:13:45] <jelly> afernandez_: it's a "mask" that masks out the bits you _don't_ want to be set by default
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1827[14:13:56] <afernandez_> but if i do 666-077 i do not get the 600 permissions on files.
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1830[14:14:29] <teraflops> wewlad: also a trivial search on the intertubes suggest to check locales on the server and adding Host * and SendEnv LC_* to your local ~/.ssh/config. also windows *shrug*
1831[14:14:35] <jelly> afernandez_: what does " if i do 666-077 " mean, i terms of commands you ran?
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1834[14:15:09] <afernandez_> well i thought if you do 666-umask level you get thge permissions for new created files
1835[14:15:32] <jelly> wewlad: what's the local system out of those two? None look like debian really
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1842[14:16:37] <wewlad> jelly: they are both local, windows is the ssh server and also a host for a debian vm where from I try to connect via ssh to windows
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1847[14:17:17] <owlcarrier> how can i install and start Tinywm?
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1849[14:17:37] <touk> Hey, I have a problem of "No space left on the device".
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1853[14:18:12] <jelly> wewlad: where's the output from the debian vm shell, then?
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1855[14:18:20] <teraflops> try generating iso-watever locale too on your local machine and Host * and SendEnv LC_* to your local ~/.ssh/config (to the bottom one per line)
1856[14:18:22] <wewlad> on the screenshot
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1858[14:18:40] <touk> Which seems unlikely, since df -sh does say I have available space on all partitions (using LVM) except for the first one /dev/dm-0
1859[14:19:04] <jelly> wewlad: _before_ running ssh
1860[14:19:04] <wewlad> teraflops: thanks, that's what I'm trying to do, except I don't know the correct codepage
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1862[14:19:12] <wewlad> jelly: oh, stupid me
1863[14:19:37] <wewlad> jelly: replaced-url
1864[14:19:46] <Iridos> df -sh tells me: df: invalid option -- 's'
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1866[14:20:10] <Iridos> so it's amazing it tells you that you have space
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1869[14:20:40] <touk> More specifically the error I get is: "/usr/bin/mandb: can't write to /var/cache/man/1990: No Space Left on Device"
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1883[14:23:19] <Iridos> touk, and?
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1885[14:23:40] <wewlad> teraflops: 'man locale' doesn't have any examples with multiple codepages, what should I do? I guess changing all of them to something like "ru_RU.CP866" will ruin something else for me on debian, won't it?
1886[14:24:12] <veloist> jelly, awesome tip! went down to the local asia-pc-repair-shop-dude and he had one single DVI cable left which he demanded could not be sold for less than 10 EUR. but lo and behold, 1680x1050!
1887[14:24:26] <Iridos> heh
1888[14:24:36] <veloist> jelly, unfortunately when i came back the box had rebooted which i can only hope was due to a power outage :-P
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1890[14:24:51] <Iridos> seriously
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1892[14:25:14] <afernandez_> i dont get it
1893[14:25:31] <jelly> veloist: that's a bit of a rip off!
1894[14:25:57] <touk> Iridos: The question is: 1° Why does it say that I have no free space, while I have according to "df" ? 2° Is it related to the fact that /dev/dm-0 is full? 3° If yes, how to empty /dev/dm-0?
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1896[14:26:28] <jelly> wewlad: the thing is in addition to setting the locale, you also need a terminal capable of displaying the characters.
1897[14:26:37] <veloist> jelly, well, the guy's grin made it sort of clear that he was fully aware of that. but oh well, we'll be able to deduct it from taxes at least.
1898[14:27:01] <Iridos> the output of at least df -h /var/cache/man/ would be good and also df -hi /var/cache/man/
1899[14:27:02] <veloist> jelly, plus, i get to feel real good about myself for having gotten rid of the 30m (!!!) VGA cable in the process
1900[14:27:08] * jelly blinks
1901[14:27:20] <jelly> be happy you got ANY output
1902[14:27:41] <Iridos> heh
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1904[14:28:04] <Iridos> in the right place, that means you can put your monitor in a different town
1905[14:28:09] * jelly may or may not have a 15m HDMI going all around the room from a PC to the TV
1906[14:28:21] <veloist> jelly, not only that, it was also neatly rolled up as a coil :-P
1907[14:29:00] <veloist> jelly: now i have another problem, which is that firefox is too slow and chromium is fast enough, but seems to require compositing for displaying context menus, etc. (they're all black now!)
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1911[14:29:07] <Iridos> so now you switched it against a 50m dvi cable
1912[14:29:22] <veloist> Iridos, nope, the DVI is more like 1,50m
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1914[14:29:41] <jelly> a shorter VGA cable may also have worked better
1915[14:29:46] <Iridos> but now you cannot take the monitor with you all over the apartment
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1919[14:30:39] <veloist> jelly, nevermind now. i needed to get this sorted quickly and am very happy now :)
1920[14:30:59] <jelly> veloist: chromium has a zillion options for tuning acceleration
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1922[14:31:30] <Iridos> touk, the output of df -h /var/cache/man/ and df -hi /var/cache/man/ ?
1923[14:31:32] <wewlad> what do I do if debian does nothing after I executed 'ssh hostname'?
1924[14:31:43] <touk> Iridos: Doing that now.
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1926[14:31:59] <jelly> wewlad: add -v to the parameters. ssh -v hostname
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1928[14:32:06] <wewlad> thanks
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1930[14:32:23] <jelly> wewlad: if it doesn't provide enough clues, add another one. ssh -vv ...
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1932[14:32:36] <faisal> hello
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1935[14:32:53] <veloist> jelly, indeed, "--disable-gpu"!
1936[14:33:12] <faisal> hellooo !!
1937[14:33:24] <veloist> hmm where's the .desktop file for that...
1938[14:33:26] <jelly> wewlad: I don't know of a simple enough way to deal with different codepages apart maybe using putty or pterm as the terminal emulator
1939[14:33:31] <faisal> who is here ??
1940[14:33:39] <jelly> !greet faisal
1941[14:33:39] <dpkg> Welcome, faisal
1942[14:33:53] <faisal> how are you ?
1943[14:34:20] <faisal> i need some help
1944[14:34:26] <jelly> !ask
1945[14:34:26] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1947[14:34:43] <faisal> ok
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1949[14:35:31] <faisal> I have a problem with VPN (pptp) i can't turn on !!
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1953[14:36:11] <wewlad> jelly: well, my new problem is not about codepage, but rather about just ssh not connecting, both -v and -vv don't give me any clues about what's wrong: replaced-url
1954[14:36:34] <jelly> wewlad: how did you create the initial screenshots if it was not connecting?
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1956[14:36:48] <wewlad> jelly: it was connecting at first
1957[14:37:04] <wewlad> then I disconnected to execute 'locale' outside of ssh connection, as you said
1958[14:37:16] <Aliekezhi> bug open since more than one year, still happening : replaced-url
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1960[14:37:17] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1962[14:37:36] <Aliekezhi> one chmod + x not done on the main script...
1963[14:37:39] <jelly> wewlad: well, it's trying to connect. I guess you can restart the ssh service on the other end and see if that helps.
1964[14:38:38] <jelly> wewlad: I'd probably use cygwin sshd or whatever Services for Unix are now called, instead of doing ssh right into cmd.exe
1965[14:38:39] <wewlad> jelly: thanks, that helped!
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1967[14:38:58] <wewlad> jelly: I don't know where I ssh to :(
1968[14:39:10] <wewlad> jelly: I followed this guide: replaced-url
1969[14:39:19] <jelly> a saner shell may have a saner approach to locale settings
1970[14:39:25] <touki> Iridos: The status changed, but somehow I find it problematic: replaced-url
1971[14:39:35] <jelly> ah, so it's PS not cmd.
1972[14:39:47] <owlcarrier> !ask
1973[14:39:47] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1974[14:39:57] <touki> this was preventing gnome to start.
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1979[14:41:01] <wewlad> jelly: same issue with powershell
1980[14:41:03] <jelly> Aliekezhi: says it's fixed, just not in stable
1981[14:41:16] <veloist> jelly, for now i'll say thank you for all your help! I need to run off do some work on the car and then come back later to try and get all the fancy printers to work which "sort-of have" linux drivers.
1982[14:41:16] <wewlad> (I was able to run powershell from cmd, obviously)
1983[14:41:27] <faisal> I have a problem vpn (pptp) when I connect to server message appears that he failed to contact
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1985[14:42:33] <jelly> Aliekezhi: since it's just Priority: normal, it's probably not going to be included in stable-proposed-updates. If you're on stable, keep using the workaround you already know about.
1986[14:42:34] <wewlad> something's borked with that ssh: I can type symbols, but when I delete them - they remain visible
1987[14:43:02] <wewlad> also, I executed 'powershell', then I executed 'exit' and now I'm in the limbo again
1988[14:43:32] <wewlad> and I can't even ctrl+c the whole ssh process :/
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1991[14:43:55] <faisal> how i can use ssh ?
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1994[14:44:43] <jelly> wewlad: you can tell ssh client to quit using tilde escape sequences. Press enter, then "~" then "."
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1996[14:45:21] <faisal> thank you !
1997[14:45:22] <Aliekezhi> jelly, do you mean a chmod+x would be too risky to integrate in that package ? ...
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1999[14:45:34] <jelly> faisal: not many people remain still using pptp vpn, be patient or ask again in a short whiel
2000[14:46:12] <jelly> Aliekezhi: I mean if it's not a bug that makes the whole package completely unusable, it doesn't get fixed in stable
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2002[14:46:42] <faisal> ok thank you my friend
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2004[14:47:18] <jelly> Aliekezhi: if you're on good terms with the maintainer maybe you can ask them to do a s-p-u fix
2005[14:47:45] <faisal> exit
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2007[14:47:52] <Aliekezhi> jelly, ok ty, I'll do that :)
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2010[14:49:34] <wewlad> jelly: thanks, it worked! is that a universal command or is it only applicable to ssh?
2011[14:50:06] <jelly> those ~ things are openssh client specific
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2016[14:50:40] <jelly> wewlad: see ESCAPE CHARACTERS in ssh(1) manual
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2018[14:50:45] <wewlad> and again ssh now says that 'connection established' yet I enter the limbo and I guess I again need to restart the ssh server
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2020[14:51:07] <wewlad> I wonder why the hell it fails so :/
2021[14:51:07] <Iridos> touki, 10G is not a lot for /
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2023[14:51:38] <owlcarrier> Somebody can help me to install and launch TinyWM?
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2027[14:52:18] <jelly> wewlad: if you need to connect to windows remotely via command line from linux, maybe ask ##windows people how to best approach that
2028[14:52:22] <Iridos> owlcarrier, like ... apt-get install tinywm ?
2029[14:52:27] <teraflops> wewlad: I was afk, what's the output of echo $TERM from the ssh session?
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2032[14:52:51] <touki> Iridos: I didn't choose it, the LVM did (I guess)? How change that?
2033[14:52:57] <jelly> teraflops: I strongly suspect cmd.exe does not even have a concept of "tty" let alone $TERM
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2035[14:53:51] <wewlad> teraflops: $TERM
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2037[14:53:59] <teraflops> wat?
2038[14:54:03] <wewlad> that envvar is not set on windows
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2040[14:54:09] <wewlad> so it just echoes $TERM back
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2043[14:55:22] <owlcarrier> Iridos: i have installed, but i can't run this
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2046[14:55:39] <teraflops> also looks like a windows related issue, I also missed which ssh binaries is he using since there are many options, from replaced-url
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2048[14:55:51] <wewlad> even 'chcp UTF-8' didn't help :(
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2050[14:56:13] <wewlad> teraflops: I'm using that win32-openssh
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2054[14:56:57] <Iridos> owlcarrier, why not
2055[14:57:07] <wewlad> afaiu - that's openSSH binaries compiled for windows, which I trust more than any other ssh server for windows…
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2058[14:57:54] <theweirdn8> Hey if you use Steam please show some support my new software product on Greenlight. See replaced-url
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2060[14:58:16] <Iridos> owlcarrier, well, it seems it's too tiny to have --replace
2061[14:58:17] <wewlad> theweirdn8: gtfo with non-topic ads
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2063[14:58:25] <theweirdn8> wewlad: oh my
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2067[14:58:51] <teraflops> wewlad: I tried that too, not in cyrilic though
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2071[15:00:01] <wewlad> teraflops: I guess I need to set 'locale' on my debian vm, but I failed to get how to add one more locale instead of replacing the existing one (en_US.utf-8)
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2073[15:00:14] <cek> > Most stackoverflow users are newbies too. SO likes to call them "professionals" to flatter them and make them feel important.
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2079[15:00:59] <Johann> most professionals are newbies i guess
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2081[15:01:14] <Iridos> it was drive-by-spamming of some sort, he's gone
2082[15:01:53] <teraflops> wewlad: just generate the iso-whatever locale too and do and give a try to replaced-url
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2084[15:02:11] <teraflops> ^like I suggested like an hour ago
2085[15:02:31] <Aliekezhi> debian doesn't provide anymore a web interface for its bugzilla ?
2086[15:02:53] <owlcarrier> Iridos: i have installed xorg and tinywm. I followed the instructions on debian wiki but doesn't work
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2088[15:03:05] <markybob> Aliekezhi: talking about replaced-url
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2091[15:03:49] <Iridos> as Debian doesn't use bugzilla and never has, that's hardly surprising, though?
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2093[15:03:56] <Aliekezhi> markybob, I mean for reporting bug
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2097[15:05:10] <markybob> Aliekezhi: yeah...debian doesn't do that. you can use reportbug or email, for example.
2098[15:05:28] <Aliekezhi> markybob, ok...I'll do that then :/
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2100[15:06:12] <wewlad> teraflops: I don't get that advice: I do have 'LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8' in the list echoed upon executing 'locale', I added 'SendEnv LC_*' to the ~/.ssh/config and it didn't solve the issue for me. Since I'm on debian - I trust what's written there about 'AcceptEnv' being 'on' by default.
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2103[15:06:50] <Iridos> although I must admit I hate the way the bts publishes your email... and you have to use some kind of spamcatcher email for it
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2105[15:07:48] <teraflops> wewlad: again, did you generated the additional locales you need?
2106[15:07:52] <teraflops> generate*
2107[15:08:01] <wewlad> teraflops: what did you mean by 'generate iso-whatever locale'?
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2109[15:08:44] <deepy> Anyone happen to be good at pulseaudio? When I try to share my microphone in firefox it also seems to share my audio output
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2111[15:08:58] <teraflops> wewlad: take a look at /etc/locale.gen ^
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2113[15:09:15] <wewlad> I thought you meant 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
2114[15:09:17] <styks198-> does doing —purge remove mysql database files?
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2116[15:09:48] <teraflops> i say iso since windows does iso-8859 locales too (I may be wrong)
2117[15:09:50] <Iridos> I've gotten about 20000 spam emails to email addresses I used for the bug system over the years
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2120[15:10:42] <teraflops> oh I get spam from a hacked majordomo kernel mailing list too :P
2121[15:10:47] <wewlad> teraflops: default cp for cmd.exe is cp866
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2128[15:11:39] <Iridos> there's just no reason for the BTS to give your email to the world without *any* type of barrier.... this isn't the early 90s anymore
2129[15:11:58] <teraflops> wewlad: replaced-url
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2132[15:12:31] <wewlad> ok, thanks
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2135[15:12:40] <wewlad> thanks for help, teraflops and jelly
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2138[15:13:18] <teraflops> so my guess is just giving a try to have the remote locale generated in the local machine too and see what happens
2139[15:13:23] <MaBunny> guys can you tell me an easy to learn IRC client for terminal
2140[15:13:34] <jelly> weechat? irssi?
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2142[15:13:52] <Guest96178> irssi has been around a very long time and is really popular
2143[15:13:57] <MaBunny> which one is easiest
2144[15:14:02] <teraflops> both are fine if you ask me Guest96178
2145[15:14:10] <Guest96178> damn it, nickerv!
2146[15:14:40] <MaBunny> ok,another thing
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2151[15:15:04] <MaBunny> does anyone kno any support chan for GNURoot Debian???
2152[15:15:13] <MaBunny> its an android app
2153[15:15:18] <teraflops> I find weechat easier to customize via /script
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2156[15:15:42] <MaBunny> which script language,teraflops,python???
2157[15:15:56] <MaBunny> i hate scripting btw
2158[15:15:56] <teraflops> many, perl, python, ruby, tcl
2159[15:16:01] <MaBunny> ok
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2161[15:16:09] <markybob> Iridos: i doubt anyone who actually does a lot of this crap cares. google "markybob email address" and you get a million devel responses from me with my email
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2164[15:16:20] <teraflops> MaBunny: they are already available online via /script command
2165[15:16:41] <teraflops> also debian has them packaged iirc
2166[15:16:43] <MaBunny> teraflops: ok thnx....also do you kno of GNURoot Debian??
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2168[15:16:50] <teraflops> nope srry
2169[15:16:54] <Iridos> markybob, maybe people don't do a lot of this crap, because they care
2170[15:16:55] <MaBunny> ok
2171[15:17:22] <MaBunny> does anyone here hav tried GNURoot Debian and kno their support chan ???
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2173[15:17:50] <greycat> If we didn't know 3 minutes ago, we probably still do not know.
2174[15:18:18] <MaBunny> ok
2175[15:18:44] <Iridos> owlcarrier, the instruction in the wiki look ok to me (without trying it out myself, though)
2176[15:19:05] <styks198-> when removing mysql does running —purge remove the database files?
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2185[15:21:43] <Iridos> owlcarrier, actually just tried it... seems to work "fine" as such... only you then cannot open any windows because the WM is too tiny to support starting stuff?
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2191[15:24:27] <Iridos> owlcarrier, oh, actually.. you start out with two shells if you select "tinywm session" from gdm or so
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2195[15:25:04] <Iridos> seems to me the instructions work fine, only the wm is crap
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2199[15:26:38] * greycat looks at Xsession(5) on Jessie, dated 2004-11-04
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2205[15:28:06] <Aliekezhi> I have the same bug as a reported bug, but for another version of the package (and the maintainers seems different people), should I make a new report ?
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2207[15:29:02] <Aliekezhi> jelly, any ideas ?
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2210[15:29:19] <greycat> You can send email to the existing bug.
2211[15:29:52] <greycat> If it's the same bug in the same package, that's how I'd handle it.
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2215[15:30:32] <jelly> Aliekezhi: which package, which package version, which debian release?
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2220[15:31:05] <Aliekezhi> jelly, similar bug than this one but with a different version : replaced-url
2221[15:31:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2222[15:31:22] <Aliekezhi> jelly, ovirt-guest-agent-1.0.10.2.dfsg-2
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2224[15:31:34] <Aliekezhi> jelly, different maintainer it seems
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2226[15:32:01] <Aliekezhi> jelly, should I mail to this bug and add the other maintainer as CC ?
2227[15:32:25] <deppy> Anyone seeing "Hash Sum mismatch" against jessie-updates today?
2228[15:32:48] <greycat> deppy: wait a couple minutes and try again. If it persists, see /msg dpkg httpredir issues
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2230[15:33:06] <deppy> Thanks, been seeing it for a few hours...so I'll try that :)
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2233[15:34:51] <jelly> Aliekezhi: it's the same maintainer, same symptom, different cause.
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2237[15:37:06] <Aliekezhi> jelly, same cause it seems : no execution rights on the same .py file
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2239[15:37:34] <Aliekezhi> jelly, yes sorry same maintainer, just was confused
2240[15:38:07] <jelly> Aliekezhi: read it carefully. At least one other user mistakenly commented on #811481 about the +x permission missing being the cause, which is not the case in 1.0.11.2.dfsg-1
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2242[15:38:33] <jelly> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4316 Jan 7 2016 /usr/share/ovirt-guest-agent/ovirt-guest-agent.py
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2247[15:40:03] <jelly> Aliekezhi: the reporter of this bug made an accurate assessment, afaict
2248[15:40:24] <Aliekezhi> jelly, oh you're right...So it's a different issue, I should fill a new bug and warn on this post the last post is a mistake ?
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2251[15:40:36] <jelly> why?
2252[15:40:46] <touki> Hello, how can I make in sort that my /dev/dm-0 partition, managed by the LVM, becomes a bit larger than 10G?
2253[15:40:58] <touki> It seems this small size is causing me troubles.
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2256[15:41:23] <Aliekezhi> jelly, different issue, different version. Only the last post is similar to mine but the guy got confused about the versions
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2258[15:41:33] <jelly> Aliekezhi: it's filed already, and the maintainer has to read it anyway. The only thing you can comment on is the confused user.
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2260[15:42:20] <Aliekezhi> jelly, my issue is the same as the consufed user, not the original one...
2261[15:42:34] <Aliekezhi> jelly, and it affects a different version than this post
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2263[15:43:09] <jelly> Aliekezhi: verify whether you need one fix or both. Then maybe ask the maintainer for a s-p-u
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2265[15:44:23] <jelly> maintainer's discretion whether they're going to fix it for stable or not
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2270[15:45:15] <Aliekezhi> jelly, sorry, but what is spu ?
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2272[15:45:35] <themill> !spu
2273[15:45:36] <dpkg> stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. replaced-url
2274[15:46:09] <Aliekezhi> jelly, thanks for all these answers, I'll do that :)
2275[15:46:21] <jelly> Aliekezhi: as far as I know it's the only way to get fixes for non-critical bugs into stable
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2295[15:49:56] <Serg_Penguin> hi ! how to download a file from web w/o installing any packages ?
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2298[15:50:19] <jelly> Serg_Penguin: if you have wget or curl, use it
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2306[15:50:53] <plasmoduck> I'm looking for some web based irc client to install on my server so people can go to http:/ipaddress/chat and connect to irc
2307[15:51:05] <plasmoduck> I used to use cgi-irc but thats gone :/
2308[15:51:07] <Serg_Penguin> jelly, no i have not, this is in Docker image
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2310[15:51:27] <jelly> Serg_Penguin: ask whoever made the image to provide useful tools
2311[15:51:32] <plasmoduck> something nice and easy to configure please. Recommendations?
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2314[15:51:44] <Serg_Penguin> replaced-url
2315[15:52:00] <plasmoduck> !cgi-irc
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2319[15:52:24] <jelly> Serg_Penguin: what precisely do you mean by "broken"?
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2321[15:52:37] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
2322[15:52:37] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2323[15:53:01] <Serg_Penguin> broken = does not redirect anywhere
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2326[15:53:23] <greycat> What error do you get?
2327[15:53:42] <greycat> Not that I'm doubting you when you say httpredir is broken again. Just ... we need more detail.
2328[15:53:43] <jelly> Serg_Penguin: can you provide the requested info?
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2333[15:54:30] <jelly> it's just -updates, you can disable that repo temporarily if you don't grab any packages from it
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2337[15:55:21] <jelly> !which hdn
2338[15:55:21] <dpkg> To see which mirror you are being sent to by the <httpredir.debian.org> redirector, substitute the appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 replaced-url
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2380[16:06:57] <plasmoduck> Anyone????
2381[16:07:40] <plasmoduck> I'm looking for some web based irc client to install on my server so people can go to http:/ipaddress/chat and connect to irc
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2384[16:08:08] <plasmoduck> cjg-irc isn't in repos no more :/
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2386[16:08:16] <Agiofws> hello
2387[16:08:21] <Agiofws> i've just inserted a windows hdd into my system which was working natively with the system i'm running(i detached the drive and installed a new one just for back up sake) is there a way i can tell grub to recognize it and add to its start up menu ?
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2389[16:08:46] <plasmoduck> Agiofws: update-grup
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2391[16:08:56] <Agiofws> grub*
2392[16:09:25] <plasmoduck> yes
2393[16:09:32] <Agiofws> plasmoduck, it won't corrupt my current linux debian os on my sdd drive?
2394[16:09:42] <plasmoduck> shouldn't do
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2397[16:09:44] <Agiofws> or my MBR?
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2399[16:09:59] <plasmoduck> It's just updating it to search for other installations
2400[16:10:59] <abrotman> plasmoduck: I thought the one freenode used wsa available for all?
2401[16:11:05] <abrotman> or you want it packaged?
2402[16:11:10] <Agiofws> update-grub or update-grub2?
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2405[16:11:27] <abrotman> same
2406[16:11:27] <baum> plasmoduck: glowingbear?
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2408[16:11:38] <plasmoduck> abrotman: yeah I'm looking for a .dpkg
2409[16:11:45] <abrotman> .deb :)
2410[16:11:57] <baum> it's a web-based frontend for weechat. quite enjoyable to use
2411[16:12:13] <Agiofws> plasmoduck, jessie uses grub2? ?
2412[16:12:26] <baum> (well enjoyable compared to other browser-based solutions)
2413[16:12:29] <plasmoduck> abrotman: or that lol
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2415[16:12:40] <abrotman> judd: info alice
2416[16:12:41] <judd> Package alice (perl, optional) in jessie/amd64: Web browser (WebKit or Gecko) based IRC client. Version: 0.19-1; Size: 203.0k; Installed: 892k; Homepage: replaced-url
2417[16:12:48] <abrotman> not sure if that works for you?
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2421[16:13:52] <plasmoduck> abrotman: I'll give it a try, basicly I've setup an internet radio stream and now I want listeners to be able to join the irc channel to make requests and chat etc.
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2448[16:22:56] <plasmoduck> how do I enable cgi?
2449[16:23:00] <plasmoduck> in apache
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2451[16:23:36] <plasmoduck> I thought there would be /var/replaced-url
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2453[16:24:14] <DammitJim> this is more of an apache question, but it should be on /usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin right?
2454[16:24:26] <DammitJim> I think you need to a2enmod cgi also
2455[16:24:33] <DammitJim> but I don't use apache, this is just what I googled
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2457[16:24:53] <greycat> /usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin is certainly not going to be a correct path for a default setup
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2461[16:25:57] <plasmoduck> greycat: do I need to install something?
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2464[16:26:25] <greycat> Did you actually want your cgi scripts to be in a separate "cgi-bin" directory like it's 1996? Or did you just want to execute them wherever they are in your web tree?
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2466[16:27:09] <plasmoduck> Argh... why is this so difficult. A few years back (5-10) I could just "apt-get install cgi-irc" then edit the config then replaced-url
2467[16:27:26] <g00se> Any idea how the installer knows that EFI booting is active? Is it merely that the partition table is GPT or is there something more?
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2469[16:27:33] <plasmoduck> greycat: no idea. I'm just trying to follow this replaced-url
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2471[16:27:47] <spacebug^> plasmoduck: check out /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
2472[16:28:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1672
2473[16:28:08] <greycat> "If your site allows CGI to be run from any directory then you can upload the images and cgi-bin files into the same place. If your site has a dedicated cgi-bin directory then you will need to upload the images to a seperate place and set image_path in the configuration file appropriately."
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2479[16:28:57] <plasmoduck> greycat: I've no idea
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2482[16:29:18] <plasmoduck> I don't know that much about apache, I've just installed the default apache2
2483[16:29:28] <plasmoduck> spacebug^: I'm checking it out
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2485[16:29:53] <greycat> replaced-url
2486[16:29:56] <plasmoduck> I'm extracting the package to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cgi-irc
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2491[16:31:20] <greycat> Then your ScriptAlias should point to that place
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2493[16:32:15] <plasmoduck> surely there has to be a cgi-irc.deb laying around somewhere
2494[16:32:21] <plasmoduck> to make this easy
2495[16:32:52] <greycat> This all sounds frightfully old and crappy.
2496[16:33:26] <greycat> Like a tour of a civil war battleground. "And over here is where we spawn a whole CGI process for each client connection!"
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2507[16:37:50] <npo9> hello
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2513[16:39:19] <plasmoduck> greycat: lol
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2517[16:39:43] <npo9> anyone here have any experience with tcpserver(1)? i'm not able to get it to bind to any port.
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2520[16:40:05] <greycat> I've used tcpserver many times. Works fine for me.
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2522[16:40:25] <greycat> titan:~$ tcpserver 0 6554 /bin/echo 'hello world'
2523[16:40:33] <npo9> greycat: did you have to do any additional configuration, or did you just install and run `tcpserver 0 port cmd`?
2524[16:40:34] <npo9> hmm
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2526[16:40:39] <greycat> titan:~$ nc localhost 6554
2527[16:40:39] <greycat> hello world
2528[16:40:48] <npo9> strange, one second
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2530[16:41:30] <npo9> ok so it's not tcpserver, it's u9fs
2531[16:41:32] <greycat> (two different terminal windows, of course)
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2534[16:42:01] <npo9> running echo as the command to tcpserver worked for me, so it's definitely the application i'm running on it
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2537[16:42:13] <npo9> at least i narrowed down the problem :P thanks
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2555[16:49:07] <g00se> Any idea how the installer knows that EFI booting is active? Is it merely that the partition table is GPT or is there something more?
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2560[16:52:43] <greycat> Definitely more than that, because if you boot a Debian installation CD in default (EFI) mode on my work machine which has an MSDOS partitioned disk, you get an EFI-attempted installation that does not work.
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2562[16:53:09] <greycat> You have to go into the firmware and boot the CD in Legacy mode.
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2572[16:55:55] <g00se> Thanks. The motivation for that is that i want (for security/privacy reasons) to disable EFI and go legacy-only without busting everything
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2577[16:58:17] <g00se> Any ideas as to what to try? In order to boot properly, i currently need EFI enabled
2578[16:59:14] <greycat> If you "need EFI enabled" "in order to boot" then your dream of installing without EFI is pointless. You wouldn't be able to boot it.
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2581[17:00:07] <g00se> What about booting the installer in rescue then resinstalling grub - or something like that?
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2583[17:00:39] <greycat> If you cannot boot without EFI then installing something that attempts to boot without EFI is going to give you a nonfunctional brick.
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2587[17:01:06] <greycat> So, go into some more detail about your statement that "In order to boot properly, i currently need EFI enabled"
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2590[17:01:43] <g00se> What i'm saying is the BIOS will allow EFI and/or Legacy, but that the _current_ install will only boot in EFI
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2618[17:15:16] <g00se> greycat: The reason for my first question was that i was envisioning a scenario where i'm trying to tell Grub to reinstall itself for legacy (not EFI) booting even though the last time it booted, it booted via EFI. My worry is that Grub won't get its head around that
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2621[17:16:06] <greycat> If you boot the CD in legacy mode, you get the legacy-mode GRUB installed (grub-pc instead of grub-efi or whatever the exact names are).
2622[17:16:34] <greycat> The hard part for me was learning that there *was* such a thing and that I needed to do it in order to have a working installation.
2623[17:17:21] <g00se> It might be safer just to reinstall perhaps
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2626[17:18:33] <g00se> But IS it possible to boot the CD in rescue mode and get into (chroot?) the current installation?
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2630[17:19:01] <greycat> Of course you actually have *to be able* to boot without EFI, in order to boot without EFI. So I'm hoping your statement that you "can only boot in EFI" was merely incorrect.
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2632[17:19:13] <krasimir> hi all trying to install a very old package for squeeze from replaced-url
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2635[17:19:36] <greycat> g00se: are you saying you have already installed in EFI mode and that it will not boot?
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2637[17:20:20] <g00se> I installed in EFI mode and it boots fine. What i want is to go to legacy. If i do that, it doesn't boot
2638[17:20:29] <greycat> ...
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2641[17:22:37] <g00se> So i need to find a 'way back' to legacy
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2644[17:23:59] <leba2> Why does Debian 8 still not use LVM as default?
2645[17:24:05] <greycat> I believe the two basic steps are (1) install grub-pc and (2) configure the computer's firmware to boot the HARD DRIVE in legacy mode.
2646[17:24:15] <greycat> leba2: it gives you the choice.
2647[17:24:16] <DammitJim> leba2, it's an option, isn't it?
2648[17:24:25] <DammitJim> why does it need to be a default?
2649[17:24:55] <greycat> Debian is not about imposing uniformity on its userbase. It is extremely flexible.
2650[17:25:30] <g00se> greycat: grub-pc is of course already installed as a package
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2652[17:25:57] <greycat> If installing grub-pc and telling the firmware to boot the hard drive in legacy mode don't work, then I don't know what to do next.
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2654[17:26:25] <leba2> Sorry, I just thought LVM was going to be a default standard just because other distros like Centos do.
2655[17:26:28] <g00se> The latter is simple to do
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2658[17:27:00] <g00se> But i don't know if i can tell Grub to 'go legacy' if it knows i've booted in EFI
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2661[17:27:37] <jhutchins> leba2: Some of us feel that LVM is an unnecessary complication, an additional point of failure.
2662[17:27:53] <leba2> ^ Wow
2663[17:28:00] <leba2> Never heard that. Why?
2664[17:28:06] <jhutchins> leba2: I have seen servers where the added overhead of dealing with it caused the server to fail.
2665[17:28:13] <leba2> (I have *little* practical information about LVM)
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2668[17:28:52] <leba2> By chance, do you remember if those servers were old low resource PCs?
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2671[17:29:29] <jhutchins> leba2: No, not at all. Something like 32 cores and a terrabyte of RAM.
2672[17:29:49] <greycat> g00se: ... what happened when you booted the hard disk in legacy mode? What error did you get?
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2676[17:30:48] <leba2> jhutchins: wth... and I was told lvm was more efficient, and overall more flexible... How could that be?
2677[17:31:12] <jhutchins> leba2: People have different opinions. Mine is a minority.
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2679[17:31:32] <jhutchins> leba2: I really can't see how adding a layer improves efficiency.
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2683[17:32:12] <greycat> It certainly adds flexibility though.
2684[17:32:20] <leba2> Well, maybe not efficiency, but it's said lots about flexibility
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2688[17:33:24] <jhutchins> I've been around long enough to remember when WD distributed a disk manager utility. Their disks worked fine without it, and it occasionally failed and destroyed data.
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2690[17:33:51] <leba2> Oh, no...
2691[17:33:54] <jhutchins> I also remember the NT Disk Manager, and people using partitions spanned across physical drives, and seeing that fail as well.
2692[17:34:05] <jhutchins> LVM is far more robust than either, but I prefer simplicity.
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2699[17:38:11] <Iridos> well... I must admit that I have resized normal partitions... but haven't managed to use any of those features with lvm yet (it hasn't been a priority either)
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2701[17:38:50] <greycat> LVM is often overkill for workstations
2702[17:39:12] <Iridos> it seemed the obvious option in the installer to encrypt the disk
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2704[17:39:56] <Iridos> and encrypting the disk seemed the obvious thing after a drive of a colleague on warranty wasn't exchanged against a new one because of the potential for sensitive data on it and regulations
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2707[17:40:29] <leba2> Then I wonder why some distros set it as default if not changing it... If I ask the community they'd kick me out (they're kind of proud)
2708[17:40:46] <leba2> *If I asked
2709[17:40:48] <greycat> Other operating systems have other philosophies.
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2711[17:41:06] <greycat> Remember, Debian calls itself "the universal operating system".
2712[17:41:14] <Iridos> on the other hand, it had worked without a hitch so far... and so I stay ignorant on how these things work... if it'd have constant problems, I'd be an expert
2713[17:41:34] <leba2> So for a server in Debian 8 you'd advise for non-lvm indeed, right?
2714[17:41:43] <leba2> Any kind of server, but a server
2715[17:41:47] <rattking> LVM is very nice when doing disk encryption so you dont have to type in a password for every partition, it does more but thats all I use it for..
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2717[17:41:56] <greycat> For a *server*, LVM is much more attractive, but it depends on you. What is the server going to do, etc.
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2720[17:42:10] <leba2> greycat: samba4 ad dc
2721[17:42:16] <jelly> leba2: do you want image-based backups? lvm is the only sane way to enable those.
2722[17:42:18] <Iridos> rattking, yeah... it does that, too
2723[17:42:41] <leba2> jelly: well, I'd actualyl set the debian machine as a vm
2724[17:42:45] <leba2> *actually
2725[17:42:54] <greycat> For Samba, as in a file server, it becomes very very attractive. If you have multiple shares on a single disk, you don't have to preallocate all of the space to each share. You can make 'em each 20% of the disk and then grow 'em as needed.
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2727[17:43:14] <leba2> No, I'd use samba4 for active directory
2728[17:43:19] <leba2> in debian
2729[17:43:21] <jelly> leba2: do you want VM disk resizing online without reboot? LVM (actually, avoiding partitions) can help there too.
2730[17:43:27] <greycat> I'm glad I don't have to know what that means.
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2733[17:43:44] <leba2> greycat: you don't know what active directory is?
2734[17:43:52] <greycat> I'm guessing it's like the Windows version of an NIS server, but who the hell knows. Not me!
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2737[17:44:24] <jelly> leba2: standard setup for VMs at work is: 1. disk 500MB just /boot and boot loader. 2. disk no partitions, LVM PV, everything on it.
2738[17:44:34] <leba2> greycat: aahh. Now I understand better your points. Thanks.
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2740[17:45:24] <jelly> leba2: no partitions = easy to extend the second disk and PV and any LVs and filesystems inside, without downtime
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2743[17:46:14] <leba2> jelly: do you know if LVM for VMs has advantages/disadvantages over non-LVM? Let's put aside flexibility such as resizing
2744[17:46:23] <jelly> greycat: it's nis and ldap and kerberos and ntp and dns and some workstation policies
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2747[17:46:31] <jelly> except not nis.
2748[17:46:44] <greycat> "And people pay money for it
2749[17:46:45] <greycat> "
2750[17:47:16] <jelly> yes, it's a lot easier to set up and get working
2751[17:47:28] <Iridos> just like SAP
2752[17:47:35] <jelly> ignoring the whole vendor lockin thing
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2760[17:48:37] <leba2> greycat: AD is indeed Windows thing, so I perfectly understand if you indeed don't give a *** about it. I'd also like to be like that as well, but I need that in my case,.
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2766[17:49:17] <teraflops> leba2: AD is ldap with a few modifications
2767[17:49:29] <greycat> I know it's a windows thing and has something to do with logins but I don't know what that has to do with Debian or Samba or LVM or storage capacity or ....
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2769[17:49:45] <leba2> I know what AD is. I have used it once with samba4.
2770[17:49:46] <teraflops> and MS didn't invented ldap ^
2771[17:49:54] <leba2> ^ I know.
2772[17:50:00] <Iridos> but they invented the internet!
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2774[17:50:17] <leba2> No, no, no, MS DIDN'T invent internet
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2776[17:50:24] <Iridos> and ice-cream!
2777[17:50:29] <teraflops> xD
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2779[17:50:38] <leba2> ^ ah, a sarcasm. got it.
2780[17:50:44] <jelly> leba2: I'm not sure what kind of advantage you're thinking of then. Isn't avoiding downtime an advantage?
2781[17:50:44] <teraflops> heh
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2783[17:52:03] <leba2> jelly: the thing is, I got scared out by mr jhutchins regarding LVM. As I said, I *barely* know what LVM is, and since I use Centos as well and it uses LVM by default I wanted to build some trust in it.
2784[17:52:14] <leba2> But perhaps I was wrong if trying to apply it to Debian...
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2790[17:53:29] <jelly> leba2: that fact centos (and rhel) use it by default means it's proven tech -- they can and do support it in commercial setups
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2792[17:53:59] <veloist> back!
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2794[17:54:23] <veloist> so the box doesn't reboot, it uses the display manager as sort of a lock screen
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2797[17:55:00] <leba2> OOOUUUCCCCHHH
2798[17:55:10] <teraflops> leba2: lvm is fine, it's just not everybody needs it, debian has it as an option, what's wrong with that?
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2800[17:55:33] <veloist> leba2, it's not /that/ bad :)
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2802[17:56:16] <jhutchins> leba2: I was just trying to point out the other side of the question.
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2807[17:56:43] <jhutchins> leba2: There's nothing wrong with using it if you're going to take advantage of the features it offers.
2808[17:57:03] <leba2> Even for VMs?
2809[17:57:12] <jhutchins> leba2: If you're just installing it because "everybody does it" and you're never going to actually use it, my philosophy is to keep it simple.
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2811[17:57:17] <JOKER_> hello.. all
2812[17:57:19] <leba2> I'll most likely be working with just VMs!
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2814[17:57:32] <leba2> ^ Ah, ok.
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2816[17:57:38] <leba2> Thanks all.
2817[17:57:46] <leba2> So, I'll need to evaluate myself.
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2819[17:58:06] <jhutchins> leba2: Always the best policy.
2820[17:58:20] <greycat> Contrary position: if you're a CentOS user who is going to continue using LVM, there is merit to making your Debian servers consistent with your CentOS servers.
2821[17:58:26] <leba2> Just out of curiosity (and very brief offtopic), has anyone here used Proxmox before?
2822[17:58:27] <jhutchins> AD was actually developed by Novel.
2823[17:59:10] <greycat> Another reason to hate it?
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2826[17:59:21] <leba2> No, no. Just curiosity.
2827[17:59:31] <leba2> Actually I'm very curious about proxmox.
2828[17:59:41] <leba2> Looks... promising?
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2830[18:00:04] <jelly> they have an unofficial channel on freenode.
2831[18:00:20] <jelly> ##proxmox
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2839[18:01:14] <leba2> Channel that is totally idle.
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2841[18:01:27] <jelly> greycat: we actually started switching to ext4 on Debian after RHEL decided to support it ;-)
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2844[18:01:45] <jelly> that's pretty much my rule of thumb for "this actually works well"
2845[18:02:12] <jelly> they default to xfs these days, so xfs on linux probably also works well enough
2846[18:02:26] <greycat> Huh, that's interesting.
2847[18:02:27] <greycat> Dodm
2848[18:02:32] <teraflops> leba2: even for VMs yes
2849[18:02:41] <greycat> Didn't know any major distributions used anything but ext[0-9] as a default file system.
2850[18:03:28] <teraflops> leba2: proxmox is really good stuff if imo
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2853[18:03:40] <teraflops> we have 4 nodes at work
2854[18:03:51] <teraflops> s/if/
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2866[18:09:48] <jhutchins> greycat: el7 has a number of radical changes.
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2869[18:10:05] <leba2> ^ *Agree with that*
2870[18:10:11] <leba2> Mostly ugly changes
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2876[18:11:52] <Janos> hey there, got a question, I see there is a method for setting up ipip tunnels in `man interfaces` in jessie
2877[18:11:57] <teraflops> it ships systemd and it does NM are you talking about that?
2878[18:12:19] <Janos> but i don't quite get what the use case is, does anyone know where I can find an example of such a configuration ?
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2881[18:13:15] <leba2> Yes
2882[18:13:29] <leba2> Plus some more ones I'm not aware of.
2883[18:13:39] <leba2> Whatever they are.
2884[18:13:44] <Iridos> that is an interesting statement
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2887[18:14:23] <teraflops> Plus some more ones I'm not aware of ^that sounds pretty weird
2888[18:14:29] <leba2> I'll probably come to dislike rhel, so my hope is being able to adapt to Debian ftw
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2891[18:15:10] <Iridos> teraflops, sounds like the barber shaves all men in the village except himself
2892[18:15:52] <jelly> Iridos: I don't know what they changed, but I don't like it one bit no sirree!
2893[18:16:01] <teraflops> yeah anyway it's offtopic so I return to idling
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2896[18:17:20] <Iridos> teraflops, the barber also runs debian for his client database! There.
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2902[18:19:38] <dpkg> <Abo`> DUH, I accidently set /dev/tty0 my mouse in xorg.conf and now when the machine starts when I try to type the mouse moves :/
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2965[18:52:11] <Iridos> happens a lot
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2989[19:01:08] <veloist> jelly, so i've installed the drivers for the first printer, Brother MFC-J4610DW and scanning works just fine. for printing, cups says job completed but nothing ever happens. logs are free of errors. is there anything else i can do in the way of diagnostics?
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2992[19:02:53] <jelly> veloist: is... there paper in it?
2993[19:02:56] <jelly> dunno
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2995[19:03:17] <jhutchins> veloist: USB? Check dmesg for messages regarding it.
2996[19:03:25] <jelly> maybe someone else cares more about cups or printers
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2999[19:03:38] <jhutchins> veloist: Also check the cups web interface to see what it thinks the status is.
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3011[19:08:30] <veloist> jelly: lol, yes, there's paper in it and it's turned on and it's connected. :)
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3013[19:09:01] <veloist> jhutchins, dmesg has a couple of [ 1216.599359] usblp0: removed / [ 1217.118071] usblp 3-4:1.0: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 4 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04F9 pid 0x02C5
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3015[19:09:38] <veloist> jhutchins: and cups web interface says "idle" and for the jobs it says "completed at"
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3018[19:11:36] <jhutchins> veloist: Try sending a test page.
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3021[19:12:36] <veloist> jhutchins, i sent like 5 already, and 2 libreoffice documents
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3050[19:21:18] <leba2> After reading hwclock, system time is the one that matters, rtc is just used for an initial "reference" when booting, and all time zone related is linux software's doing. But then, wouldn't this mean rtc should be left "read only", or something like that?
3051[19:21:24] <leba2> *reading man hwclock
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3054[19:22:01] <greycat> RTC (hardware clock) is read at boot and written at shutdown (or reboot).
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3057[19:22:22] <greycat> Or at least that's how it was before systemd.
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3059[19:22:59] <leba2> What? Did damned systemd change this?
3060[19:23:03] <leba2> as well?
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3063[19:23:14] <greycat> I have no idea.
3064[19:23:41] <greycat> Maybe it changed nothing. Maybe it changed something. Maybe it's documented in one of their dozens of separate man pages. Who knows.
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3068[19:25:02] <leba2> Assuming there's no change, I thought rtc and system clock just kept running on pair, with just the hour difference, so there would not be need for writting...
3069[19:25:12] <leba2> Ah, wait, the seconds drifts, right?
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3071[19:25:23] <leba2> *"natural drifts"*
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3073[19:25:32] <greycat> Hence the writing at shutdown, in an attempt to keep the RTC accurate.
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3079[19:28:17] <leba2> Still it has option for the user to manualyl write rtc?
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3091[19:32:17] <leba2> Still it has option for the user to manualyl write rtc?
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3120[19:43:43] <jhutchins> leba2: Yes.
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3122[19:44:39] <jhutchins> I don't think ntp keeps the hwclock sync'ed, it just keeps the system clock accurate and then sync's to the latest update when it shuts down.
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3128[19:45:36] <leba2> jhutchins: yes, somewhere else (I think in the tldp site or something) I read any reference to the clock in ntp means system clock.
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3131[19:46:40] <jhutchins> leba2: Right.
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3136[19:48:26] <leba2> But then, and if I wanted to still dual boot, how does freaking windows track time? Linux reads from rtc, uses system clock, then writes back to rtc when poweroff. But Windows... does it just directly use read/write rtc?
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3141[19:50:08] <plasmoduck> I ran a file named run.py, how do I figure out the PID and kill it?
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3143[19:50:18] <plasmoduck> it's qwebirc
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3145[19:50:33] <greycat> if you typed ./run.py then it's running in the foreground, so you'd kill it by pressing Ctrl-C
3146[19:50:38] <greycat> Unless it's AN ABOMINATIN OF EVIL.
3147[19:50:48] <plasmoduck> no it's forked
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3149[19:50:59] <greycat> If it's an abomination of evil you use ps commands until you find it.
3150[19:51:08] <greycat> There is no recipe. It is all human-driver and nondeterministic.
3151[19:51:15] <greycat> driven*
3152[19:51:24] <plasmoduck> Can you guide me please
3153[19:51:50] <greycat> This is why systemd was invented. TO FIGHT THE ABOMINATIONS OF EVIL. Too bad nobody sensible came up with an anti-abomination army sooner, and we ended up with THIS.
3154[19:52:02] <plasmoduck> I forgot, it's something like psaux | grep run.py | grep -v grep ?
3155[19:52:03] <greycat> ps auxw | grep run
3156[19:52:05] <plasmoduck> Something like this?
3157[19:52:07] <greycat> ps auxw | grep -F .py
3158[19:52:16] <greycat> Stop being fancy.
3159[19:52:24] <greycat> Be INTERACTIVE. Be FLEXIBLE. Be CREATIVE.
3160[19:52:28] <plasmoduck> Thanks
3161[19:52:39] <greycat> Be willing to read more than one line of output.
3162[19:53:01] <greycat> Be willing to look at the PPID field and track it back to its ancestor.
3163[19:53:18] <greycat> Be smarter than the fucker who created the forking abomination.
3164[19:54:21] <plasmoduck> Ah found the slimy little sucker. Thanks mate.
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3177[19:58:55] * greycat wonders if it was inevitable, that the only way we could get the good part of systemd (service management) was if someone overengineered the bloody fuck out of it and tacked on all the pork-belly amendments
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3179[19:59:20] * plasmoduck nods
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3181[19:59:42] <greycat> It's probably like LDAP. The only way you could get a successor to NIS (not that there's anything wrong with NIS) was if you made it 1200 times as big and clumsy.
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3184[20:00:18] <greycat> Something about big, clumsy, overengineered monstrosities always manages to get lodged in the mind of management as "good".
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3190[20:01:55] * plasmoduck wonders if people have not heard of the acronym KISS?
3191[20:02:10] <plasmoduck> Keep it Simple, stupid.
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3193[20:03:10] <leba2> ^ No, I had *never* heard of that.... thing.
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3195[20:03:42] <leba2> But then, and if I wanted to still dual boot, how does freaking windows track time? Linux reads from rtc, uses system clock, then writes back to rtc when poweroff. But Windows... does it just directly use read/write rtc?
3196[20:04:12] <greycat> Ask ##windows? No idea.
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3200[20:04:39] <plasmoduck> It's Windowsf00
3201[20:04:41] <greycat> All I know is that in the Days Of Olde we were told to edit /etc/default/rcS to change something UTC to "no" if we dual-booted into windows, because windows expected the RTC to be in local time.
3202[20:04:51] <RayzrShrp> anybody here runing dnsmasq that can help me with something? tried the dnsmasq channel and nobody is talking or answering
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3206[20:06:21] <leba2> Sorry, what was the command to check for ram memory?
3207[20:06:25] <greycat> free
3208[20:06:52] <plasmoduck> greycat: are you the one who posted the video here a few days back of your desktop with mpd?
3209[20:07:02] <greycat> no
3210[20:07:14] <plasmoduck> ok
3211[20:07:19] <leba2> thanks
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3216[20:09:21] <wewlad> hello again, I'm back. I still have a problem of unreadable chars when connecting from debian to windows over ssh. I did regenerate locales after adding all the existing ru_RU locales.
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3224[20:11:40] <plasmoduck> Are you using putty or something?
3225[20:11:45] <wewlad> no, openssh
3226[20:12:18] <plasmoduck> check the encoding
3227[20:12:25] <wewlad> what does it mean?
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3229[20:12:36] <plasmoduck> You want to use unicode
3230[20:12:43] <wewlad> in windows cmd.exe shell by default uses cp866
3231[20:13:11] <wewlad> even after 'chcp utf-8' I still get unreadable cyrillic chars
3232[20:13:47] <wewlad> ah
3233[20:14:13] <wewlad> 'utf-8' is an incorrect value, the correct one is 65001
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3237[20:14:52] <wewlad> and with that I'm getting 'the system cannot write to the specified device' error even in windows
3238[20:14:54] <wewlad> :(
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3242[20:15:04] <plasm0duck> No idea sorry
3243[20:15:05] <wewlad> I guess windows is just unable to use UTF-8
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3246[20:15:52] <plasm0duck> wewlad: try this replaced-url
3247[20:15:56] <plasm0duck> SSH client
3248[20:16:13] <careta> I'm trying to block output traffic for a certain group using iptables --gid-owner
3249[20:16:33] <careta> however my default output policy is to accept, do I need to make it drop?
3250[20:16:37] <wewlad> plasm0duck: windows is the server in my case
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3252[20:17:13] <plasmoduck> wewlad, so you're trying to ssh from Linux into Windows?
3253[20:17:16] <wewlad> yes
3254[20:17:31] <plasmoduck> never even heard of that.
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3256[20:18:01] <plasmoduck> wewlad, it would be a Windows side problem then.
3257[20:18:11] <veloist> hmm
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3259[20:18:18] <wewlad> plasm0duck: the windows side problem is that it can't into UTF-8
3260[20:18:24] <`Kevin> careta: no if it matches you should be able to block, perhaps it is a secondary GID and no the processes GID
3261[20:18:26] <wewlad> but can debian into non-utf-8?
3262[20:18:27] <veloist> under debian 9, how do i make cups samba-capable (besides installing samba, that is)
3263[20:18:34] <`Kevin> not*
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3266[20:19:06] <plasmoduck> veloist, man cups
3267[20:19:19] <RayzrShrp> anyone here running dnsmasq?
3268[20:19:27] <veloist> plasmoduck, funny.
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3272[20:20:25] <plasmoduck> veloist, replaced-url
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3276[20:21:14] <veloist> plasmoduck, oh, that one is actually helpful, thank you!
3277[20:22:01] <plasmoduck> veloist, Google is your friend ;-)
3278[20:22:11] <hippiebyte> RayzrShrp: I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, but that's not how you ask in a support channel
3279[20:22:28] <veloist> plasmoduck, ftr, i've been googling this for 30min+ ;)
3280[20:23:27] <plasmoduck> verboese, Serious? it was the first thing that came up searching for "cups samba debian"
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3290[20:28:49] <veloist> plasmoduck, yes, serious ... but i guess i might have been searching for too detailed things looking at your search string :/
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3293[20:30:23] <plasmoduck> veloist, keep it simple.
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3297[20:31:05] <veloist> plasmoduck, so now SMB was picked up by CUPS and i was able to set the SMB address, but the printer still won't print and no error message either :(
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3317[20:38:03] <awal1> I use "amixer -D pulse set Master 5%+ unmute</command>" command for my keyboard shortcut (W-Right) for increase sound volume via pulse (openbox WM). How to make that command surpass 100% sound level as vlc and pavucontrol does?
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3319[20:39:43] <awal1> Not openbox specific, anyway, the command can be used for any DE/WM. I just want to know how to surpass 100% of sound level
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3323[20:40:28] <leba2> jelly: by chance do you know a bit about kerberos?
3324[20:40:43] <_erick0zcr> Hi guys is there any channel related to go-packaging?
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3327[20:41:33] <Klaus_> Windows > Mébian
3328[20:41:37] <Klaus_> JK
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3338[20:44:05] <jhutchins> wewlad: What are you using for an ssh server on Windows?
3339[20:44:18] <wewlad> jhutchins: openssh
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3341[20:44:44] <jhutchins> veloist: Was this a Cannon multi-function from earlier?
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3348[20:47:23] <thenewone> Hi gys
3349[20:47:25] <thenewone> guys*
3350[20:47:36] <thenewone> how can i discover all the dependecies needed for a program and thanks
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3353[20:48:14] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
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3355[20:48:18] <jhutchins> veloist: Yeah, I see it is. The only thing SMB printing is useful for is either sharing the printer to Windows machines or using a printer shared from a Windows box (or the rare network printer that's only set up for smb).
3356[20:48:22] <sm00th> awal1, maybe this helps replaced-url
3357[20:48:22] <greycat> thenewone: apt-cache show pkgname
3358[20:48:43] <jhutchins> veloist: So it doesn't have anything to do with whether you can see a local USB printer.
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3360[20:49:02] <mutante> thenewone: if it's a package. apt-cache show somepackage | grep Depends
3361[20:49:04] <awal1> sm00th, ok, thanks, will look at that
3362[20:49:14] <jhutchins> thenewone: You know you don't have to manage those directly, right?
3363[20:49:43] <FuriousGeorge> something is "grabbing" my bt receiver and attached kb/m and binding drivers to it, even when I plug it into a usb hub that has all the ports assigned to a VM (vfio)
3364[20:50:01] <wewlad> new info: I was able to switch codepage to 65001 (UTF-8) after connecting via ssh: now some Cyrillic letters are readable, but not all of them: replaced-url
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3366[20:50:16] <FuriousGeorge> i assume it's the OS doing it, because this kb/m was the one I was using with host OS (debian jessie), and it's the only device that does it
3367[20:50:16] <thenewone> jhutchins: yes thanks
3368[20:50:18] <thenewone> thanks all
3369[20:50:39] <jhutchins> thenewone: I think packages.debian.org lists dependencies as well.
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3377[20:51:43] <thenewone> have a nice day
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3410[21:05:53] <veloist> jhutchins, sorry, was afk for a bit.
3411[21:06:08] <veloist> jhutchins, no canon multifunction printer, a brother one.
3412[21:06:37] <veloist> jhutchins, about the network printing, i tried enabling LPR on windows and printing through that as well as SMB. neither work.
3413[21:07:11] <veloist> jhutchins, to clarify perhaps, i'm trying to make 1 local usb printer (the brother) and 3 network printers (all on the same windows box) work.
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3415[21:07:35] <veloist> the good news is, the windows box is mine to mess with.
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3464[21:33:16] <jhutchins> veloist: replaced-url
3465[21:33:55] <jhutchins> veloist: replaced-url
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3474[21:36:39] <TheQuestionmark> Is /etc/network/interfaces still the place to look for on Jessie when editing IP addresses and such?
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3476[21:36:57] <greycat> Usually, yes. Unless you somehow got tricked into installing NetworkManager.
3477[21:37:06] <Iridos> if you're using that to configure your network...
3478[21:37:12] <veloist> jhutchins, thanks for those, i'll read as soon as i'm done with my current try :)
3479[21:37:15] <Igel> i cant believe VLC (by default) shares every track you are playing to replaced-url
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3481[21:38:48] <jhutchins> Igel: Good, you probably shouldn't believe that without some concrete evidence.
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3483[21:38:55] <Igel> i tweeted them
3484[21:38:59] <Igel> and they said thats what users expect
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3488[21:39:21] <jhutchins> twitter != concrete evidence
3489[21:39:23] <Igel> uh
3490[21:39:25] <Igel> i took a screen shot
3491[21:39:27] <Igel> and uploaded it
3492[21:39:28] <TheQuestionmark> greycat / Iridos: I'm just surprised that Raspbian doesn't listen to the entries any longer.
3493[21:39:30] <Igel> and now im reporting it here.
3494[21:39:37] <greycat> !raspbian
3495[21:39:38] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
3496[21:39:40] <ryouma> Igel: use a packet sniffer to confirm
3497[21:39:42] <Igel> uh
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3499[21:39:47] <TheQuestionmark> I see.
3500[21:39:55] <Igel> do vlc replaced-url
3501[21:39:57] <TheQuestionmark> Thanks for the input, greycat.
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3503[21:40:30] <BobTheLesbian> BOBBB THE LESBIAN
3504[21:40:31] <Igel> you will see it in the log. you dont need to capture it.. its in tools -> preferences -> allow metadata network access
3505[21:40:32] <BobTheLesbian> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
3506[21:40:33] <BobTheLesbian> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
3507[21:40:34] <BobTheLesbian> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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3510[21:40:52] <Igel> and hey
3511[21:40:56] <Igel> i was playing a local .flac file
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3513[21:41:12] <Igel> so.. it not just internet content, its local content is uploaded to them.. lame+
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3520[21:42:57] <nixhed> I'm trying to autoinstall a server. I've got it working when I have a dvd in the system and I append url=replaced-url
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3524[21:44:18] <jhutchins> !debian pxe
3525[21:44:35] <jhutchins> !pxe
3526[21:44:35] <dpkg> Pre-boot eXecution Environment (PXE) is a network boot protocol. A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE. See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <ipxe>.
3527[21:44:49] <jhutchins> !ipxe
3528[21:44:49] <dpkg> iPXE (formerly gPXE, Etherboot) is an open source network bootloader. It implements <PXE> and extends it with additional protocols and features (e.g. booting from HTTP instead of TFTP). Supports a variety of network devices, including wireless LAN. Packaged for Debian (bnx2, linda infiniband drivers removed). replaced-url
3529[21:45:25] <nixhed> thx...i'll dig into iPXE
3530[21:45:41] <jhutchins> nixhed: I think there is someting on the wiki about setting up a pxe installer. It's a pretty complex process without a pre-configured package or a good setup script.
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3532[21:46:40] <jhutchins> nixhed: replaced-url
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3535[21:47:39] <nixhed> well I do have pxe working just fine but when I go to boot it still asking me language and keyboard and things like that before it takes the rest of the preseed file data
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3538[21:48:20] <nixhed> I just want fully automated no input from me at all.
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3542[21:50:27] <jhutchins> nixhed: I don't know if that's part of the PXE menu or part of the install/preseed setup. I could work it out in a kickstart system, but I haven't done that for quite a while.
3543[21:50:56] <jhutchins> nixhed: I have had kicstart CDs that would install a system if you booted from them with no input (which is a bit dangerous).
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3546[21:51:40] <jhutchins> nixhed: I don't think you want everything that ever PXE boots on your network to install a fresh Debian.
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3554[21:53:28] <ilken> guys when i untar gzip on the EC2 it says permission denied, even with sudo, anyone know what im doing wrong? already googled with no succees, tried chmod, HALP!
3555[21:53:52] <greycat> Extracting a .tar.gz file requires write permissions on the current directory.
3556[21:54:07] <greycat> Or possibly some existing files/subdirs if the names collide.
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3558[21:54:28] <ragnar> what is the propietary?
3559[21:54:41] <ragnar> and the group of folder
3560[21:55:30] <greycat> I think what ragnar is asking is "ls -ld ."
3561[21:55:38] <nixhed> jhutchins: I'm close I have a menu item that offers debian (interactive) debian_auto (one I'm trying to work on) and a few other distros
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3563[21:56:15] <nixhed> Then I just select from the boot menu which one but when I select the debian auto it's like it ignores the first bits of my preseed that has language and keyboard stuff in it.
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3566[21:56:48] <nixhed> I say in the docs that I can modify my dhcp server to capture when there's a d-i command but I don't want every single server that pxe boots to do this.
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3568[21:57:41] <ragnar> greycat jajaj bash channel is bad for you
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3583[22:03:02] <veloist> jhutchins, okay, had to flex off a bike crank whose thread was broken, first. reading now.
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3600[22:07:12] <mazert_> hello, i would kike to report a bug on debian, but i don't know which package is responsable.
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3602[22:08:02] <mazert_> since last upgrade on sid, I can't open totem (video player) and i got this error replaced-url
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3607[22:08:23] <mazert_> i do not upgraded totem.
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3609[22:08:45] <greycat> If you are using *sid* then you are expected to understand how to file bug reports.
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3612[22:10:24] <belowzero> mazert_: +1 to what greycat said :p but why totem? mplayer is much better
3613[22:10:29] <awal1> mazert_, pkg is reportbug. install python-vte if you want use it in gui mode
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3617[22:11:31] <mazert_> so i can report a bug for totem package even if the bug do not come really from it ?
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3620[22:11:53] <greycat> You as a *SID* user are expected to be able to figure this out yourself.
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3622[22:12:02] <greycat> If you can't, you have no business running something that is clearly marked "unstable".
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3626[22:14:38] <mazert_> awal1: yes i already use this gui
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3630[22:16:26] <mazert_> greycat: ok, i'll try to do my best so
3631[22:16:56] <awal1> mazert_, so use it and report you bug
3632[22:17:44] <awal1> mazert_, unstable = #debian-next (oftc server)
3633[22:18:39] <mazert_> ah you are right, i forget often this channel ;) . I will use mplayer for now so, and submitting the bug.
3634[22:19:00] <mazert_> thanks and bye
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3641[22:22:40] <jhutchins> mazert_: you really should do some troubleshooting and at least figure out what package is causing the problem befor submitting a bugreport.
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3645[22:23:33] <greycat> Yes, he should, but now that you've stuck your hand out he's going to make you do it all for him.
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3656[22:31:27] <fredl> hi guys, I seem to be having some problems with my exim
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3658[22:31:51] <fredl> root@omega:~# systemctl start exim4
3659[22:31:51] <fredl> root@omega:~# ps xa|grep exim
3660[22:31:51] <fredl> 6709 pts/7 S+ 0:00 grep exim
3661[22:32:06] <jelly> and then you looked at the logs
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3664[22:32:13] <sypher> Surely.
3665[22:32:23] <fredl> yup and it says the following
3666[22:32:28] <jelly> /var/log/exim4/{panic,main}*
3667[22:32:31] <fredl> 2016-07-13 22:23:37 socket bind() to port 587 for address 2001:980:942a:1:21f:d0ff:feae:f833 failed: Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned
3668[22:32:40] <fredl> except... it's now 22:32
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3670[22:32:54] <jelly> I have no idea what "daemon abandoned" means there
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3672[22:33:06] <fredl> it has apparently been trying to bind to an IP address and couldnt
3673[22:33:18] <fredl> while the interface having that IP is up and running
3674[22:33:23] <greycat> What's currently listening on 587, if anything?
3675[22:33:28] <fredl> nothing
3676[22:33:33] <jelly> and then you googled "Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned"
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3678[22:34:01] <fredl> no I did not as the first problem is that systemctl does not seem to make an attempt to restart
3679[22:34:09] <greycat> The IPv6 part is... interesting.
3680[22:34:12] <fredl> maybe it thinks it's already/still running
3681[22:34:17] <jelly> "already in use" -- what that means, I know
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3683[22:34:36] <fredl> see the log entry is 22:23, after just booting
3684[22:34:44] <fredl> trying to restart is 22:31
3685[22:34:44] <jelly> interesting? It looks like a common public ip.
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3688[22:35:11] <greycat> I have no idea what it is, but it's not 0.0.0.0 so it's interesting that he's trying to bind to it, whatever it is.
3689[22:35:14] <fredl> I would like to first learn how to start it properly with systemctl after is has bombed out after booting
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3691[22:35:33] <fredl> systemctl start exim4 does not appear to do anything nor does it give any output on why it does not do anything
3692[22:35:50] <jelly> fredl: what services exist with exim in their name?
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3694[22:36:22] <fredl> only this one
3695[22:36:25] <fredl> root@omega:/var/log# systemctl|grep exim
3696[22:36:25] <fredl> exim4.service loaded active exited LSB: exim Mail Transport Agent
3697[22:36:35] <jelly> okay... no .socket ones?
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3699[22:36:39] <fredl> IF that's the proper way to ask systemctl, still struggling with that
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3702[22:36:51] <fredl> nope, I pasted the literal output
3703[22:36:52] <jelly> systemctl list-units, I think
3704[22:36:57] <greycat> How does "2016-07-13 22:23:37 socket bind() to port 587 for address 2001:980:942a:1:21f:d0ff:feae:f833 failed: Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned" equate to "nor does it give any output"?
3705[22:37:11] <fredl> root@omega:/var/log# systemctl list-units|grep exim
3706[22:37:11] <fredl> exim4.service loaded active exited LSB: exim Mail Transport Agent
3707[22:37:17] <fredl> that's all
3708[22:37:25] <jelly> good
3709[22:37:53] <jelly> fredl: is there anything else in "systemctl status exim4"
3710[22:37:53] <fredl> greycat, like I just said, that error message is from the log just after booting, NOT after the systemctl start command
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3712[22:38:02] <greycat> So fix it!
3713[22:38:23] <fredl> ● exim4.service - LSB: exim Mail Transport Agent
3714[22:38:23] <fredl> Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/exim4)
3715[22:38:23] <fredl> Active: active (exited) since Wed 2016-07-13 22:19:06 CEST; 18min ago
3716[22:38:33] <greycat> Are you hoping to shake the magic 8-ball until it gives you a DIFFERENT error to fix?
3717[22:38:37] <jelly> SO active
3718[22:38:47] <fredl> yes
3719[22:39:01] <croddy> jelly did you try 'journalctl -xn' for more detailed output from the systemd logs
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3721[22:39:14] <fredl> but 'active (exited)', does that mean when I do systemctl start it won't start again?
3722[22:39:16] <jelly> fredl: stop the service first, see what the status says, start it again and see if more relevant stuff in the logs appears
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3724[22:39:45] <fredl> root@omega:/var/log# systemctl status exim4
3725[22:39:45] <fredl> ● exim4.service - LSB: exim Mail Transport Agent
3726[22:39:45] <fredl> Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/exim4)
3727[22:39:58] <fredl> that's after doing a stop
3728[22:40:00] <jelly> fredl: it means systemctl does a poor job at figuring out whether the sysv service is up or not
3729[22:40:09] <fredl> correct.
3730[22:40:11] <Iridos> why'd it bind to port 587
3731[22:40:19] <jelly> because it's a MTA
3732[22:40:21] <fredl> Iridos STARTTLS
3733[22:40:34] <fredl> yeah what jelly says
3734[22:40:40] <jelly> those things usually provide submission services (SMTP AUTH)
3735[22:40:59] <fredl> well yeah if you configure it that way :)
3736[22:41:06] <Iridos> I see... "submission 587/tcp" wasn't really any help
3737[22:41:23] <jelly> there's a nice rfc from 2005.
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3739[22:41:36] <greycat> replaced-url
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3741[22:42:13] <jelly> greycat: I am disappoint, expected a daemon junked on the side of the road
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3744[22:42:51] <markybob> i'm surprised it's a not links or something
3745[22:42:53] <fredl> okay so systemctl stop/start does attempt to restart properly
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3747[22:43:23] <jelly> and now you ought to have more stuff in the logs.
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3750[22:43:30] <fredl> that part is clear now, I think the output of systemctl really could be done, hmmmm, 'better' maybe?
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3753[22:43:44] <greycat> If it works the second time, then I suspect your IPv6 network is the underlying cause. The IPv6 interface maybe did not EXIST at the time, or something, who knows, surely not you because you didn't even LOOK.
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3756[22:44:00] <fredl> yeah daemon has restarted.... it keeps saying in mainlog that same bind() message
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3759[22:44:11] <fredl> 2016-07-13 22:43:23 socket bind() to port 587 for address 2001:980:942a:1:21f:d0ff:feae:f833 failed: Cannot assign requested address: waiting 30s before trying again (7 more tries)
3760[22:44:25] <Iridos> jelly, only during the time after christmas
3761[22:44:29] <jelly> fredl: the thing is, with sysvinit "compatibility" systemd cannot really know whether an init script is supposed to start a long-running daemon, or just do some stuff and exit successfully.
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3764[22:44:59] <greycat> is exim4 really using sysvinit compat scripts?
3765[22:45:03] <fredl> I understand jelly, and also that systemctl communicates with a daemon that should all be doing this somehow etc. etc.
3766[22:45:27] <fredl> So right now I'm back to figuring out why exim4 does not seem to want to bind properly
3767[22:45:31] <greycat> Wow.
3768[22:45:45] <fredl> I just earlier did a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-conf and *changed* something
3769[22:45:53] <jelly> [22:45] ~ => telnet 2001:980:942a:1:21f:d0ff:feae:f833 587 applejack
3770[22:45:53] <jelly> Trying 2001:980:942a:1:21f:d0ff:feae:f833...
3771[22:45:53] <jelly> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Permission denied
3772[22:45:56] <greycat> The *default* MTA in jessie isn't using systemd configs?! That's just bad.
3773[22:46:21] <jelly> "Permission denied" is also something I don't remember seeing in that context
3774[22:46:21] <fredl> I changed my system mail name.
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3777[22:46:48] <jelly> wonder if it's a 'v6 thing
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3779[22:47:01] <fredl> I changed it from the simple hostname (ie. 'omega') to the FQDN (now both IPv4 and IPv6)
3780[22:47:32] <jelly> fredl: PTR record says it ought to be named "smtp.3dn.nl"
3781[22:47:37] <fredl> I will try to change back from the system mail name smtp.3dn.nl to omega and see if it wants to restart properly now
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3783[22:48:02] <jelly> and maybe look up that error message on the google.
3784[22:48:03] <fredl> jelly - that's what I'm working towards as the system mail name should be put in the EHLO by exim
3785[22:48:04] <greycat> All this name shuffling seems beside the point when the error says it can't bind to a port on an interface.
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3787[22:48:51] <fredl> see.... systemctl stop exim4 also does not seem to work properly when the daemon is still running and *trying* to bind
3788[22:48:54] <fredl> what a mess :P
3789[22:49:29] <jelly> maybe you could figure out what the error message means.
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3791[22:49:52] <fredl> yeah getting to that, my plan is to first see if I can revert to the stable situation
3792[22:50:06] <fredl> I do sort of know what cannot bind() means :)
3793[22:50:19] <leba2> jelly: by any chance, do you know a bit about Kerberos?
3794[22:50:25] <fredl> but it doesn't make a lot of sense here, it could be related to IPv6 but don't think so
3795[22:50:28] <jelly> leba2: no
3796[22:50:30] <jelly> !ask
3797[22:50:30] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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3799[22:50:53] <jelly> > Don't [...] pick one person to ask.
3800[22:51:14] <fredl> well, reverting from FQDN to short hostname in dpkg-reconfigure didn't change the situation
3801[22:51:23] <jelly> and why would it :-)
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3803[22:51:38] <fredl> true dat, but that's what I changed
3804[22:51:51] <fredl> other than the plethora of instabilities I keep running into
3805[22:52:14] <fredl> well.... should say 'unknowns' as systemctl keeps baffling me because I simply lack the experience right now
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3808[22:52:55] <greycat> It's complicated by the fact that exim4 isn't actually *configured* for systemd yet. It's using legacy sysvinit script fallback.
3809[22:53:19] <greycat> So when you tell systemd to stop the service, it has to run the sysvinit script and hope it works.
3810[22:53:34] <jelly> just like it does on start
3811[22:53:40] <fredl> understood greycat. That does bear the question though if Debian was ready for systemd doesn't it? When such an important part as an MTA isn't really ready for it.
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3813[22:53:52] <greycat> We know it's still a work in progress.
3814[22:53:58] <jelly> fredl: the thing is, noone sane uses exim
3815[22:54:01] * jelly hides
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3817[22:54:16] <fredl> jelly - like I think I mentioned before I'd change to postfix myself
3818[22:54:27] <fredl> just at this point exim is default MTA, correct?
3819[22:54:31] <greycat> it is, yes
3820[22:54:35] <fredl> so there
3821[22:54:43] <Iridos> here?
3822[22:54:46] <fredl> but I read some of the LONG debates about that
3823[22:54:50] <markybob> who cares? that's like saying "windows is default"
3824[22:54:57] <markybob> default means nothing
3825[22:54:58] <fredl> exim or postfix... bla bla
3826[22:55:05] <jhutchins> sendmail ftw
3827[22:55:11] <fredl> markybob - it does when you ask for support :)
3828[22:55:20] <Iridos> jhutchins, at least it's easy to configure!
3829[22:55:24] <markybob> i can support postfix a lot better than exim :P
3830[22:55:38] <fredl> nothing is as discouraging as coming here 'hey listen I have a postfix problem....'
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3832[22:55:52] <fredl> markybob, I think everybody can :)
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3834[22:56:06] <greycat> I'm getting mixed signals here.
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3836[22:57:14] <fredl> I will remove the IPv6 listener address, see if that changes anything
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3839[22:57:57] <fredl> peculiar... it seems that does change things
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3841[22:58:12] <fredl> 2016-07-13 22:57:32 exim 4.84_2 daemon started: pid=9710, -q30m, listening for SMTP on [127.0.0.1]:587 [127.0.0.1]:25 [::1]:587 [::1]:25 [192.168.178.20]:587 [192.168.178.20]:25
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3845[22:58:35] <fredl> puzzled....
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3850[22:59:22] <fredl> well I *had* it working before
3851[22:59:38] <fredl> but got an error message from an MTA that didn't like my EHLO hostname
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3853[22:59:47] <fredl> so that's why I started poking around
3854[22:59:59] <greycat> If you're using dpkg-reconfigure, maybe look at the actual files that it generates and see if the IPv6 listen address is going in the wrong place, or is mangled...? I dunno.
3855[23:00:12] <fredl> frankly, I think very strict EHLO hostname checking should be forbidden, but WTH it's fun
3856[23:00:29] <jelly> yes, it's nice to have the EHLO be matching the public IP your connection is coming from
3857[23:00:35] <greycat> strict EHLO/HELO is one of the primitive anti-spam techniques some servers try
3858[23:00:37] <fredl> no it's going in the right place greycat, that's the thing it was working before
3859[23:00:39] <jelly> also FcrDNS
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3861[23:01:05] <fredl> Honestly, I also *like* to have it right and set the FQDN properly in the EHLO
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3864[23:01:28] <fredl> but the shitty thing being that the MTA causing the problem is the one of my accountant who wants my tax papers :P
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3867[23:01:48] <Iridos> fredl, replaced-url
3868[23:01:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3874[23:03:44] <axc1298> anyone know how feasible it would be to get the version of kdeconnect in testing installed in stable? it isn't in backports
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3877[23:04:04] <fredl> that looks interesting but isn't my problem Iridos
3878[23:04:10] <greycat> ,checkbackport kdeconnect
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3880[23:04:29] <judd> Backporting package kdeconnect in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: extra-cmake-modules, kio-dev, kwayland-dev, libkf5configwidgets-dev, libkf5dbusaddons-dev, libkf5i18n-dev, libkf5iconthemes-dev, libkf5kcmutils-dev, libkf5notifications-dev, libqca-qt5-2-dev, libqca-qt5-2-plugins.
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3882[23:05:00] <axc1298> oh the qt4 vs qt5 thing
3883[23:05:06] <jelly> greycat: you're seeing a switch from kde4 to plasma5 there
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3886[23:05:23] <fredl> oh well, first things first and send off the email to my @##($) accountant
3887[23:05:27] <greycat> All I'm seeing is "unsatisfiable" followed by a list I don't care about :-P
3888[23:05:31] <fredl> and then the IPv6 #$#()%
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3893[23:05:49] <jelly> oh. axc is seeing that then.
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3895[23:05:59] <axc1298> that must be why there's no backport
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3901[23:07:00] <jelly> well most functionality still works with the version from stable, notifications, media player control
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3903[23:07:31] <jelly> I like having computer speakers go quiet when someone calls the phone
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3915[23:12:00] <axc1298> jelly: this is kind of unrelated but how do you add pictures/songs to your phone from debian. do you just connect the phone and drag and drop in your file manager?
3916[23:12:07] <fredl> *sigh* reverting back from Mate to Gnome 3.... also NOT a good move :/
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3925[23:15:49] <fredl> I'm beginning to get a decent idea why the cannot bind() error shows up
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3927[23:16:06] <fredl> killing a daemon that's listening to a socket does not always immediately clean up the socket
3928[23:16:20] <fredl> but that doesn't explain why it would cause problems at boot time
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3931[23:17:55] <marijnfs> hi, i often have long hangups of my system, especially terminals
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3933[23:18:07] <fredl> hangups?
3934[23:18:11] <marijnfs> what is a good tool to somehow record what could be responsible?
3935[23:18:15] <fredl> like, about 30 seconds or so?
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3938[23:18:31] <marijnfs> inresponsiveness, e.g. i might tab in a terminal, and the results come back way later
3939[23:18:32] <fredl> marijnfs, check if there are DNS timeouts
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3941[23:18:38] <Refine> I installed a patched package from source on a I found on arch repos using ./configure sudo make install and some other tricks. How can I turn this into a .deb file?
3942[23:18:42] <marijnfs> so i think HD/filesystem is slow
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3944[23:19:07] <markybob> Refine: you're a bit late mate
3945[23:19:27] <Refine> what do ya mean markybob
3946[23:19:46] <Refine> i still have the folder i used for the make install, etc
3947[23:20:00] <markybob> Refine: yeah. you turn it into a deb *before* you install
3948[23:20:04] <fredl> marijnfs, probably not your filesystem but network issues. DNS lookups are frequently the problem for 'magical delays' :)
3949[23:20:05] <marijnfs> fredl: how?
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3951[23:20:07] <markybob> !tell refine about checkinstall
3952[23:20:31] <marijnfs> fredl: is there a log somehwere
3953[23:20:41] <fredl> marijnfs - best thing is if you learn a little bit about a tool such as wireshark first, and then see if you can learn what's going on there
3954[23:21:01] <Refine> ty marky
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3957[23:21:15] <fredl> in there you can actually see what your system is trying to resolve and see if you see 'strange' things in there
3958[23:21:18] <markybob> god i have to change my nick
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3961[23:21:48] <marijnfs> fredl: hmm sounds complicated, but maybe worth it
3962[23:22:00] <marijnfs> fredl: there is not some typical setting somewhere i can change?
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3964[23:22:59] <fredl> well first you should understand what are naming services, host lookups are just one part of it
3965[23:23:30] <fredl> in /etc/nsswitch.conf you can find, among others, how your system looks up certain things
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3968[23:24:16] <fredl> and I'm about to kill the individual responsible for automatically updating it
3969[23:24:16] <jhutchins> marijnfs: If the system is using the swap partition heavily, that will cause lag.
3970[23:24:43] <jhutchins> marijnfs: If not, it's unusual for a properly working system to lag from HD I/O unless there's a hardware problem.
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3973[23:24:55] <missmbob> fredl: that individual is probably you. an upgrade asks if you want to change a modified config
3974[23:25:05] <jhutchins> marijnfs: To find out, you can install smartmontools and monitor it. Check dmesg and syslog for errors anyway.
3975[23:25:43] <jelly> axc1298: huh, I think I last synced pictures via mtp or ptp.
3976[23:25:57] <fredl> missmbob, who knows but don't think so, I distinctly remember putting 'files dns [NOTFOUND=return]' in there for my hosts lookup
3977[23:26:12] <fredl> and somehow 'myhostname' got in there
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3979[23:26:37] <missmbob> fredl: during an upgrade if you hit y or i it'll override. won't even look fancy like an ncurses question
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3982[23:27:18] <marijnfs> jhutchins: how do i use these montools?
3983[23:28:01] <jhutchins> marijnfs: Start by reading the manpage.
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3985[23:28:48] <jelly> fredl: myhostname nss module is a systemd thing. Which debian release is this supposed to be, did you install it from d-i or some other way?
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3987[23:29:26] <fredl> I did an upgrade from wheezy to jessie
3988[23:29:32] <fredl> and that botched horribly
3989[23:29:49] <fredl> so who knows, maybe I'm still just recovering from that
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3991[23:30:07] <fredl> root@omega:/var/log/exim4# cat /etc/debian_version
3992[23:30:07] <fredl> 8.5
3993[23:30:08] <jelly> ,i libnss-myhostname
3994[23:30:09] <judd> Package libnss-myhostname (admin, extra) in jessie/amd64: nss module providing fallback resolution for the current hostname. Version: 0.3-9; Size: 13.4k; Installed: 26k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3996[23:30:31] <jelly> fredl: aptitude why libnss-myhostname
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3998[23:30:38] <jelly> may provide a clue
3999[23:30:46] <fredl> root@omega:/var/log/exim4# dpkg -l|grep myhostnam
4000[23:30:46] <fredl> ii libnss-myhostname:amd64 0.3-9
4001[23:31:12] <fredl> aaaaaaaahhhh
4002[23:31:17] <fredl> naturally
4003[23:31:38] <fredl> you're not going to believe this shit, hahaha myhostname got installed recently because.......
4004[23:31:49] <fredl> because of switching from Mate back to Gnome 3
4005[23:32:08] <jelly> why would one run gnome or mate on a mail server
4006[23:32:09] <fredl> aptitude why says it's because of task-gnome-desktop
4007[23:32:32] <fredl> why? well because I can and I want to limit my electrcity use :)
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4010[23:32:55] <leba2> I think mr jelly meant any server should run just in command line mode...
4011[23:33:03] <fredl> but why would gnome require libnss-myhostname
4012[23:33:08] <somiaj> fredl: task-gnome-desktop is a very large collection of packages. But you can remove that meta package and install smaller packages (something like gnome-core) if needed
4013[23:33:16] <missmbob> "because i can" is why you buy a private jet. not run gnome on a mail server
4014[23:33:29] <jelly> p gnome-control-center Recommends libnss-myhostname
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4016[23:33:34] <fredl> listen, I *like* a GUI guys :P
4017[23:33:47] <fredl> as it so happens, I do NOT like the Gnome GUI
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4020[23:34:02] <fredl> but *mumble* something about 'default' :)
4021[23:34:03] <missmbob> i keep getting more confused. i'm out.
4022[23:34:17] <fredl> laterz missmbob :)
4023[23:34:21] <leba2> >"I want to limit my electrcity use" Wouldn't a desktop-less cmmand line only installation save *more* electricity?
4024[23:34:40] <leba2> *command
4025[23:34:56] <fredl> leba2, nope because I DO want a desktop environment, but normally I would start another PC for that (at my home)
4026[23:35:07] <fredl> That would mean I have my server and my desktop on
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4028[23:35:09] <jelly> fredl: the answer is "because someone at redhat, driving gnome development, wants to make it work on systems with read-only / and /etc"
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4030[23:35:28] <jelly> in some configurations, nss-myhostname can be used to avoid touching /etc/hosts, and in fact /etc/hosts does not even have to exist
4031[23:35:30] <fredl> I'd rather just log in on my server instead and only have one PC using electricity
4032[23:35:45] <leba2> ok
4033[23:35:57] <fredl> somebody at redhat?
4034[23:36:05] <fredl> hmmmm :P
4035[23:36:09] <fredl> I wonder who
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4037[23:36:12] <missmbob> they do most gnome development ,yes
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4040[23:36:47] <fredl> missmbob, you said you're out!
4041[23:37:06] <missmbob> yeah but sometimes comments that really make no sense deserve it :P
4042[23:37:07] * jmcnaught looking forward to libnss-mymachines in stretch.
4043[23:37:12] <axc1298> jelly: it worked. i just needed to install kio-mtp to see it in my file manager
4044[23:37:27] <fredl> either way, myhostname in nsswitch.conf is not likely to have screwed up my exim, so back to the drawing board again
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4046[23:37:59] <fredl> missmbob do not expect me to fix your make-sense-machine
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4048[23:38:30] <missmbob> jesus. i thought i was just stating a gnome/redhat fact.
4049[23:38:38] <fredl> :)
4050[23:38:48] <fredl> uhh this is new
4051[23:38:52] <fredl> socket bind() to port 587 for address 127.0.0.1
4052[23:38:56] <Mystique_> hey all; debian sid.. apt-get install cacti
4053[23:39:03] <missmbob> Mystique_: read /topic
4054[23:39:04] <fredl> because localhost is a difficult address to bind to I guess
4055[23:39:10] <fredl> WTF
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4058[23:39:59] <jelly> fredl: I suggest removing the AAAA record for the machine listed in your MX record, so that the few optimistic mail servers around the world don't even attempt delivering to your domain via ipv6 unitl that time you actually fix your MTA listener
4059[23:40:12] <Mystique_> missmbob: not sure what I missed in the /topic..
4060[23:40:24] <fredl> jelly, you have a point there :)
4061[23:40:24] <jelly> !debian-next
4062[23:40:25] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
4063[23:40:25] <missmbob> Mystique_: you're in the wrong place. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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4072[23:41:10] <fredl> jelly, the bind() with an 'Invalid argument' though.... it's kinda weird
4073[23:41:54] <jelly> can't comment on that. I'm not even sure why you have a public 'v6 address on that machine, but a private 'v4 one
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4075[23:42:20] <fredl> something to do with IPv6 announcements I think
4076[23:42:49] <fredl> lemme see what it's called (I think)
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4078[23:43:32] <fredl> no I take that back *shrug*
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4082[23:44:19] <fredl> has *something* to do with the Fritzbox I believe
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4087[23:44:47] <jelly> it might be just fine and normal, who knows
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4089[23:44:55] <fredl> but to tell you the truth, I am not certain why my server got that particular IPv6 address
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4094[23:46:01] <fredl> well it makes sense in a way doesn't it?
4095[23:46:12] <jelly> replaced-url
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4097[23:46:33] <fredl> there's many more ipv6 addresses so why not make all of them public ones?
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4099[23:47:02] <fredl> However, it does create some issue with what my fritzbox is actually doing with packets when ipv6 packets arrive at the frontdoor
4100[23:47:22] <fredl> the issue being that I don't fully understand WTF happens
4101[23:47:43] <fredl> I guess it would do plain routing, no rewriting
4102[23:48:18] <fredl> oh well I'll remove the MX AAAA record
4103[23:48:44] <jelly> doens't remove the MX, just the AAAA for smtp.3dn.nl
4104[23:48:52] <jelly> don't*
4105[23:48:58] <fredl> well... yes :)
4106[23:48:59] * jelly tired
4107[23:49:10] <fredl> should say MX's AAAA
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4109[23:49:51] <fredl> oh that's going to reintroduce a problem that caused me to do this to begin with though :/
4110[23:49:58] <fredl> gmail's MTA's
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4115[23:50:45] <fredl> when my server HAS ipv6 and try to send mail to gmail, it will resolve gmail's AAAA as MTA and connect through ipv6
4116[23:51:24] <fredl> in that case not only should the ipv6 reverse resolve, but also forward resolve I believe (although not fully sure about the latter)
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4121[23:52:34] <fredl> ah I guess... the latter is not required as long as there exists a reverse pointer
4122[23:52:53] <fredl> no matter, I *still* have not resolved the EHLO name for exim :(
4123[23:52:54] <jelly> you can have an AAAA and matching PTR, just don't let the same host be in MX
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4125[23:53:22] <fredl> well now it seems to work without AAAA yet with PTR
4126[23:53:24] <jelly> your inbound address for mail does not have to be the same as the outbound address
4127[23:53:29] <fredl> for now that works for me
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4129[23:53:41] <fredl> bit of a kludge but oh well
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4131[23:54:13] <fredl> and something that'll no doubt bite me in the ass in a year or so when I no longer remember this conversation :)
4132[23:54:36] <spacebug^> fredl: thats what logs are for :)
4133[23:54:49] <fredl> if you know what to look for in the log yeah
4134[23:54:58] <spacebug^> hehe true
4135[23:54:59] <missmbob> and who doesn't like ass bites? :P yeah, sorry
4136[23:55:01] <fredl> and logs go stale etc. etc. etc.
4137[23:55:52] <fredl> I see my spf record is also a bit fubar
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4139[23:56:13] <fredl> as it has the /64 in the ipv6
4140[23:56:20] <fredl> well it should work, semantically speaking
4141[23:57:03] <jelly> ip6:fe80:: does not make sense, that address is not publically routable
4142[23:57:05] <jhutchins> fredl: If you were doing this in a business environment, you would expect to document what you're doing so someone else could come back in a year and follow what you did. Do it for yourself.
4143[23:57:23] <fredl> true jhutchins
4144[23:57:44] <missmbob> please god tell me it's not a business environment
4145[23:57:54] <fredl> no it isnt :P
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4148[23:58:01] <jelly> fredl: it's syntactically correct, but it's as if you added ip:192.168.25.4 to the record
4149[23:58:03] <missmbob> thank fuck
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4151[23:58:19] <fredl> LOL this is my server at home
4152[23:58:40] <fredl> 192.168.25.4 ?!?!
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4154[23:58:50] <jhutchins> I'm in a place now where I'm the only one who documents my work. It's a real madhouse.
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4157[23:59:17] <jelly> fredl: that fe80: address is internal only (well, link-local)
4158[23:59:18] <fredl> jhutchins, story of this society we live in, madness is infectuous
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4160[23:59:49] <fredl> ehrm.... you're right jelly but my knowledge about ipv6 only just expanding a bit ok? :)
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