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2 [00:02:36] <jcdutton> What is the yearly budget that Debian
use to do its various tasks?
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16 [00:08:12] <jelly> jcdutton: SPI keeps track of financials
for the Debian project (and some others)
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21 [00:12:00] <Ether_Man> Is there a way to make a debian 9
install try dhcp on ALL interfaces it finds? EC2 doesn't
provide console access so becomes impossible to find what the
interface name will be once booted... Heck if it even boots at all
which I don't even know but I want to at least be able to rule
out the one thing I do know will make it impossible for me to do
anything with it :/ (trying to migrate a VM to an ec2 instance)
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25 [00:13:28] <jelly> I find it unlikely they don't provide
a console of some sort, not even virtualized serial
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27 [00:14:50] <Ether_Man> The closest to a console they have, is
letting you view "System log", but that's a log from
EC2 itself and doesn't at all show anything about the machine.
You can also take screenshots of the console, but that's only
available in some regions, and not in the region I want to run in,
and wouldn't allow me to actually log in or anything anyway.
28 [00:15:08] <jmcnaught> Ether_Man: systemd-networkd can do
that, there's an example in
/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian
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33 [00:17:46] <Ether_Man> jmcnaught, cheers :)
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39 [00:20:37] <SpacePenguin> bebo17
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65 [00:32:48] <jcdutton> jelly, Good, reasonably good budget
then
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70 [00:38:36] <jelly> jcdutton: does not account for donations
in hardware or hosting
71 [00:39:08] <jelly> or hours
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106 [01:06:27] <Zppix> .bal
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108 [01:06:32] <Zppix> Oops wrong chabnel
109 [01:06:36] <Zppix> Channel*
110 [01:06:44] <deego> All of a sudden, after today's vim
upgrade, I start seeing this after every script I run:
/usr/share/bashdb/bashdb-main.inc: No such file or directory
111 [01:06:48] <deego> anyone else see this?
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117 [01:11:55] <nikio_> why cant i find and disable my cronjob
anywhere/
118 [01:11:58] <nikio_> ive looked everywhere
119 [01:12:14] <nikio_> the logs show it being run as oot
120 [01:12:16] <nikio_> root
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123 [01:13:58] <ksk> deego: what kind of script?
124 [01:14:03] <jmcnaught> nikio_: what is the cron job, one that
came from a Debian package?
125 [01:14:30] <nikio_> nope i made it using ansible
126 [01:14:58] <jmcnaught> nikio_: you tried "crontab
-e" as root?
127 [01:15:00] <ksk> ehm, so look up the ansible way to undo it?
alternativly look up how ansible does it, and remove it manually.
128 [01:15:10] <nikio_> i saw it under
/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root
129 [01:15:12] <nikio_> and deleted it
130 [01:15:17] <nikio_> but the job is still running
131 [01:15:23] <nikio_> crontab -e shows nothing
132 [01:15:46] <ksk> what does "the job is still
running" mean? If you remove a cronjob, it will not stop
processes that got once triggered via cron
133 [01:16:04] <nikio_> it means it is still executing it every
hour
134 [01:16:16] <nikio_> and showing up in the logs
135 [01:16:41] <Ether_Man> oh hahahaha... My god I'm stupid.
It kind of helps to reach the SSH service on a machine if I
actually, you know, install an sshd doesn't it? Been pulling my
hair for hours for why I just couldn't get to the ec2 instance
and messing with network configs and stuff... But no, it's just
me being incredibly incredibly stupid >_<
136 [01:17:23] <nikio_> seems like a proper mess, cant even find
out where a cronjob is running from
137 [01:17:37] <ksk> nikio_: how about my suggestion(s)?
138 [01:18:14] <nikio_> RE'ing ansible with a small chance
its doing something extremely weird?
139 [01:18:15] <nikio_> no ty
140 [01:18:34] <jmcnaught> nikio_: has cron been restarted since
you deleted root's crontab? Can you show us the ansible task
that created the cron job?
141 [01:18:48] <nikio_> no i havent restarted cron
142 [01:19:20] <jmcnaught> nikio_: since you deleted the crontab
in an unconventional way, the cron daemon might not have noticed the
file is gone
143 [01:19:33] <nikio_> i edited it
144 [01:19:38] <nikio_> thats probably it
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147 [01:20:02] <deego> ksk: this happens if i run a bash script
that doesn't have a /bin/bash shebang at the beginning. I fixed
that and also did a shopt -u extdebug to suppress this, but still
strange to see. Didn't use to happen till today, and i
don't even have bashdb installed
148 [01:20:19] <nikio_> thx jmcnaught this mmust be it
149 [01:20:23] <deego> .. on debian stable
150 [01:20:31] <nikio_> thx ksk
151 [01:20:50] <jmcnaught> There's nothing in Debian called
bashdb.
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154 [01:22:06] <ksk> deego: sounds like you did setup that
somehow, does not sound very debian-like to me that behaviour.
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156 [01:23:09] <deego> does it not happen for you if you try the
recipe above?
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159 [01:23:44] <ksk> deego: recipe?
160 [01:23:59] <jmcnaught> deego: is there anything bashdb
related in your environment?
161 [01:24:23] <deego> ksk: run a bash script that's missing
a shebang
162 [01:24:28] <deego> jmcnaught: none
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165 [01:25:25] <ksk> deego: No, and a sheband does not have
anything to do with that. if you invoke it like "bash
/some/script" a shebang does not matter it all.
166 [01:25:49] <deego> what if you invoke it as /some/script
where it is executable?
167 [01:25:50] <ksk> only if you make a script executable, and
invoke it via "/some/script" it helps the kernel identify
which interpreter to pass that script to
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170 [01:26:33] <ksk> if you then omit a shebang, that is not good
most likely, but still nothing like "bashdb" happens - I
have never heard of that up until now tbh ;)
171 [01:26:41] <deego> hm, so, that was really strange. Like i
said above, this strange problem was fixed when i added the shebang
back. :)
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174 [01:27:07] <ksk> deego: then I would guess: it was not bash
which did execute that script, but something else?
175 [01:27:14] <deego> also, i have always stuck with debian
stable, no strange environments, right since woody or so.
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177 [01:27:25] <deego> ksk: ic
178 [01:27:56] <deego> since potato, that's the earliest i
remember
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180 [01:28:30] <little_tommy> sid questions ok here?
nvidia-driver 4.18.74-1 seems broken since several days ago. is this
a known problem that should be fixed after the freeze?
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184 [01:29:35] <ksk> !debian-next
185 [01:29:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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187 [01:30:01] <little_tommy> ok, thanks
188 [01:30:10] <ksk> little_tommy: I would advise looking at
bugs.debian.org to finde known issues (not just related to sid)
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190 [01:31:18] <little_tommy> msg ksk did that, didn't see
anything about it. thanks.
191 [01:32:47] <deego> what's the breakage?
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204 [01:37:53] <little_tommy> after install and reboot,
nvidia-drm error, nvidia-persistenced.service faile, a few errors
because link group nvidia is broken
205 [01:38:03] <little_tommy> nvidia-settings wouldn't start
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208 [01:39:34] <little_tommy> it was working fine for months, not
sure what borked it
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271 [02:43:51] <ytf0rd> FUCK ALL FOIDS YOU BANNED ME FROM THE
REDDIT FOR POSTING THE INCEL RED PILL I HATE YOU YOU GO FOR CHAD AND
HATE THE NICE GUYS
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273 [02:44:33] <ytf0rd> you hate the nice guys and incels because
they are not chads fuck you foids
274 [02:44:48] <jmcnaught> !ops ytf0rd
275 [02:44:48] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
jmcnaught complains about a problem (see above)
276 [02:45:04] <ytf0rd> why
277 [02:45:05] <eb0t> hey when i type uname normally i get the
processor
278 [02:45:18] <eb0t> but if i type uname -p on debian it comes
back unknown
279 [02:45:28] <ytf0rd> am i banned fucking foids if i was chad i
wouldnt be abnned
280 [02:45:43] <ytf0rd> e THOT IS A BEYYTAAAAAAAA
281 [02:45:44] <ksk> eb0t: lscpu
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287 [02:46:10] <eb0t> ksk that gives the correct processor
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289 [02:46:23] <eb0t> but i'm wondering why uname -a is
missing this information
290 [02:46:38] <ksk> I am not sure. It says unknown over here,
too.
291 [02:47:05] <ksk> manpage says -p "not portable" -
whatever that means..
292 [02:47:14] <eb0t> ah ...ok, im new to debian and i print out
uname -a when i open any terminal ..and this is getting the kernel
but not the processor and the speed
293 [02:47:28] <eb0t> yes it says the same as it says on
gentoo..but gentoo works
294 [02:47:33] <eb0t> so does opensuse
295 [02:47:47] <eb0t> just this debian uname seems to fail to
display all the info
296 [02:47:56] <somiaj> try uname -m
297 [02:48:27] <ksk> displays "x86_64" - very helpful
;)
298 [02:48:33] <somiaj> gentoo seems to have special patches to
make it work
299 [02:48:45] <eb0t> yes you are onto something ksk when i do
uname -i that too fails
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301 [02:48:53] <eb0t> its all the stuff that says non-portable
302 [02:49:01] <eb0t> in the man page ..those fail
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306 [02:50:30] <somiaj>
replaced-url
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309 [02:50:40] <eb0t> yes i just found that
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313 [02:50:51] <eb0t> nothing we can do to fix it except maybe a
small bash script
314 [02:50:57] <eb0t> and do it manually
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316 [02:51:07] <somiaj> seems some linux distros have fixed it
for their distro (ubuntu is one), but debian seems to not have cared
enough.
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328 [02:52:23] <somiaj>
replaced-url
329 [02:52:24] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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333 [02:53:03] <eb0t> ha ha
334 [02:53:30] <eb0t> yes ill just have to lscpu when i forget
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348 [03:05:29] <qih> o/ Using Debian 9 with LXDE, I am having
issues sourcing '.bashrc' & '.xsessionrc' to
load $PATH variables I read that now '.xsessionrc' is
*the* way to do it. Is that correct?
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352 [03:07:14] <qih> risc: Ping!
353 [03:07:33] <somiaj> !xsession
354 [03:07:33] <dpkg> Debian uses ~/.xsession for startx(1) as
well as *most* Display Manager logins. See
replaced-url
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356 [03:08:11] <somiaj> qih: unforutnally there is no single
method. Depending on the dm and session chosen, even .xsession (or
.xsessionrc) is not sourced. Check that wiki link for some info
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359 [03:08:59] <jmcnaught> web applications that have permission
to modify themselves always leave me uneasy
360 [03:09:06] <qih> somiaj: Thanks, will do. It's
frustrating, I read all that, went from '.profile' yet is
still a PITA.
361 [03:09:09] <jmcnaught> oops wrong network
362 [03:10:54] <risc> hiya qih
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365 [03:11:52] <qih> How's things? Why you lurking here?
#MACOSX off line haha
366 [03:12:13] <risc> I'm the silent op in #macosx :P
367 [03:12:18] <risc> plus I prefer Debian
368 [03:12:34] <somiaj> qih: .profile is login shells, .bashrc is
interactive, so .bashrc will be sourced on all terminals.
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370 [03:13:03] <somiaj> qih: if the xsession sources .profile is
up in the air (it should since it is a login shell, but not always).
Though I use startx, so my main shell is always login
371 [03:13:16] <somiaj> display managers are a mess in my
opinion.
372 [03:14:04] <qih> risc: Oh cool
373 [03:14:33] <qih> somiaj: Ah right, makes sense
374 [03:14:45] * qih hacks at xdm 8-)
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485 [05:14:17] <zenix_2k2> guys how can i share a folder from a
Linux host on a Debian Virtualbox ? i have tried installing and
running The GUestAddition and reboot
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487 [05:14:24] <zenix_2k2> but still can't see anything in
the Network section
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501 [05:29:21] <somiaj> zenix_2k2: did you install the guest
addons (which is a dkms module) inside the guest?
502 [05:29:31] <somiaj> then you have to configure the host to
share a directory using virtualboxes tools
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511 [05:35:27] <zenix_2k2> yea but i couldn't find sudo
./VBoxLinuxAdditions.run
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513 [05:35:32] <zenix_2k2> "VBoxLinuxAdditions.run"
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515 [05:37:08] <somiaj> the debian package is a dkms package, it
should install and build the module provided you have the
linux-headers for your kernel installed
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517 [05:37:30] <somiaj> ,v virtualbox-guest-dkms
518 [05:37:31] <judd> Package: virtualbox-guest-dkms on amd64 --
jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib:
4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib:
5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.8-dfsg-7
519 [05:37:46] <somiaj> install that package with the
linux-headers isntalled so it can build the module for you.
520 [05:38:00] <somiaj> once you have the module loaded you
should be able to access the specific virutalbox additions
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522 [05:38:53] <zenix_2k2> i think i did
523 [05:38:58] <zenix_2k2> i installed a lot of modules about
Virtualbox
524 [05:39:10] <zenix_2k2> but still can't identify where
can i find the shared folder
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532 [05:46:39] <somiaj> I think it appears as a drive you can
mount, check dmesg for drives, maybe lsblk will list it too
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535 [05:49:39] <zenix_2k2> well i don't see anything -->
replaced-url
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538 [05:51:20] <somiaj> zenix_2k2: lsmod, are you sure the module
is loaded?
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540 [05:53:51] <somiaj> as an alternative you can just use
ssh/scp and the fuse filesystem sshfs to share things between host
and guest
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549 [06:03:00] <zenix_2k2> i do see "vboxsf 45056 0"
with lsmod
550 [06:03:11] <zenix_2k2> also i am not sure if it was loaded
but i installed, apt-get update then reboot
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555 [06:06:27] <somiaj> maybe some virtualbox specific support
could help, or wait until tomorrow when more people are avaiable. I
don't use vbox myself, so unsure of any other details needed to
get the folder sharing to work.
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558 [06:07:47] <zenix_2k2> well i asked in #vbox
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560 [06:07:53] <zenix_2k2> but it was full with Windows userds
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604 [06:44:11] <cybercrypto> zenix_2k2: Hi, you trying to use
share folders?
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607 [06:46:23] <Sveta> zenix_2k2: if the directory is not
mounted, you may need to mount it using the page which I linked
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609 [06:50:01] <friendofafriend> I'm having a weird problem
with Debian 10. When my machine first comes up, I can't ssh
into it until a user has logged in at the console.
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612 [06:54:39] <Sveta> friendofafriend: did it work before?
613 [06:55:25] <friendofafriend> Before Debian 10? Sure.
614 [06:55:31] <cybercrypto> friendofafriend: thats really odd,
never seem something like before. Any error on the logs? (maybe
boot/service startup logs?)
615 [06:55:48] <friendofafriend> It seems if I wait for a long
time, it'll come up by itself. It seems to come up immediately
when a user logs in.
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618 [06:57:03] <somiaj> almost seems as the ssh service is setup
as a user service (not a system serivce).
619 [06:57:09] <somiaj> what does systemctl sshd.service return?
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622 [06:57:15] <somiaj> arg systemctl status sshd
623 [06:58:17] <friendofafriend> That it's active (running).
624 [06:58:51] <zenix_2k2> Sveta: yes but it gave me protocol
errors
625 [06:59:06] <zenix_2k2> i tried "sudo mount -t vboxsf wd
~/Desktop/FOlder
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628 [07:00:24] <somiaj> friendofafriend: it says a lot more than
that, maybe paste the output, also look at 'systemctl
status' and is sshd part of the system.slice or user.slice
629 [07:00:48] <somiaj> here the only thing I can think of is for
some reason it is running it as a user.slice so it requires login
before it runs
630 [07:00:56] <Sveta> zenix_2k2: what did it say?
631 [07:01:33] <zenix_2k2> "/sbin/mount.vboxsf: mounting
failed with the error: Protocol error"
632 [07:02:14] <zenix_2k2> you know i thought there would be
something like "/media/sf_Public"
633 [07:02:20] <zenix_2k2> but i still not so sure where is it on
my system
634 [07:02:42] <friendofafriend> It says it's
"system.slice", whatever that really means. Oh,
Poettering.
635 [07:03:12] <friendofafriend>
replaced-url
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639 [07:04:54] <somiaj> hmm, yea not sure why it isn't
comming up at boot. Maybe it is just being slow, or have you waited
a while and it only becomes avaiable once a user logs in?
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642 [07:05:15] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: a paste of
'journalctl -u ssh.service' (as root) would probably be
helpful
643 [07:06:29] <cybercrypto> zenix_2k2: what filesystem type you
trying to mount manually? Have you tried switching "-t
vbox" for "-t ext3" or vfat (whatever fs you trying
to mount)
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645 [07:06:43] <friendofafriend>
replaced-url
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647 [07:06:56] <friendofafriend> Got itself a full minute before
it's listening?
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651 [07:09:39] <zenix_2k2> cybercrypto: i think it's Ext4
652 [07:10:04] <zenix_2k2> "/dev/sda1 ext4", yep
it's ext4
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655 [07:10:57] <cybercrypto> zenix_2k2: Could you please, open
Virtualbox app in your HOST OS and check the follwing option:
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660 [07:13:09] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: is it a VM with
possibly low entropy? how is the network configured?
661 [07:13:18] <zenix_2k2> cybercrypto: yes ?
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663 [07:13:39] <somiaj> friendofafriend: systemd-analyze blame --
does the ssh service (or maybe your network service) seem to be
taking a long time to come up.
664 [07:14:07] <Primer> I thought we didn't use words like
blame any more
665 [07:14:29] <cybercrypto> zenix_2k2: what are the current
permissions of /home/F0lder directory, in your HOST os.
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668 [07:15:19] <zenix_2k2> drwxr-xr-x
669 [07:15:44] <somiaj> Primer: systemd-analyze does, to see what
services take the longest to load
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671 [07:16:22] <Primer> Such a terrible program
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673 [07:16:44] <friendofafriend> jmcnaught: It's a VM,
I'm not sure what you mean by low entropy.
674 [07:17:04] <Primer> entropy is what's used to generate
the host keys on first run
675 [07:17:34] <cybercrypto> zenix_2k2: Your hostOS is debian9,
rigth? I recall something like that in the past... Can you try a
quick test and check the results?
676 [07:17:34] <Primer> this used to take a long time when there
wasn't enough entropy. ssh-keygen would tell you to type
randomly to generate entropy back in the day
677 [07:17:46] <zenix_2k2> yes it's Debian 9
678 [07:17:56] <somiaj> in general it is what /dev/urandom uses
and various things depend on it, and sometimes having low entropy
makes things take a long time to boot (though I thought this was
fixed, there was a bug in buster about a year ago where this was a
big problem)
679 [07:18:11] <zenix_2k2> the full name of the installation
image is "firmware-9.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso"
680 [07:18:18] <friendofafriend> Here's "blame".
replaced-url
681 [07:18:37] <cybercrypto> zenix_2k2: rename the
host-os-shared-folder name to host-share or something. and rename
the target shared folder using a different name.
682 [07:19:28] <zenix_2k2> " host-os-shared-folder" ?
what is that, to me i only think it as /media/sf_Public
683 [07:19:33] <zenix_2k2> but that doesn't seem to exist
684 [07:19:45] <friendofafriend> Is there a way to lobotimize
entropy collection?
685 [07:19:52] <somiaj> hmm, well it is your ssh.service taking a
long time to load, wonder if it is some configuration, but I'm
not seeing anything that would explain why that service is taking so
long
686 [07:20:04] <somiaj> friendofafriend: and did you verify that
it does come up even if you don't login as your user (it just
takes about a min?)
687 [07:20:07] <friendofafriend> It's a brand-new install
from today.
688 [07:20:10] <cybercrypto> zenix_2k2: if the shared folder has
the same name of the folder you are trying to mount, you get
'protocol error'. try using another folder name for a
quick test.
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690 [07:20:44] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: you could edit
/etc/ssh/sshd_config and increase the LogLevel to VERBOSE to see if
you get more info in the logs
691 [07:21:06] <friendofafriend> Which log would I be getting it
in? Where? How?
692 [07:21:19] <friendofafriend> Someone stole /var/log/ a few
years ago.
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694 [07:21:30] <zenix_2k2> yes i tried to rename ~/Desktop/Folder
to another one
695 [07:21:39] <zenix_2k2> it was originally "share"
but now it's "folder"
696 [07:21:42] <zenix_2k2> but still the same
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699 [07:22:00] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: /var/log is still
there, or look at 'journalctl -u ssh.service'
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701 [07:22:30] <friendofafriend> Looks like it's a full
minute without a login, even.
702 [07:22:32] <somiaj> and if you want persistant journal, just
'mkdir /var/log/journal'
703 [07:22:54] <friendofafriend> Same blame. Same delay in the
logs between Starting and Listening.
704 [07:22:57] <somiaj> friendofafriend: might be the login thing
was just additional time, and there is something causing it to delay
running, not sure what, check your logs.
705 [07:23:13] <Seoc> Good evening folks. I'm running Debian
on a veyron-speedy device, and noticed that the partition table from
the block device of the onboard emmc, /dev/mmcblk0, is not being
loaded in initramfs, leading to a failure to mount the rootfs.
706 [07:23:18] <somiaj> yea, might have to turn up the log
verbosity and see if you see what it is doing during that time.
707 [07:23:31] <friendofafriend> somiaj: I've got no idea
how to do that, Poettering.
708 [07:23:43] <Seoc> Is there a way I can trigger a rescan of
that partition table from initramfs, or would I have to statically
compile partprobe or partx?
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710 [07:23:57] <somiaj> friendofafriend: jmcnaught told you, edit
/etc/ssh/sshd_config and increase the log verbosity there (it is ssh
producing the logs)
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712 [07:24:12] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: increasing
sshd's log level has nothing to do with systemd
713 [07:24:14] <Primer> Seoc: you lack support for the block
device
714 [07:24:31] <friendofafriend> Oh, you're talking about in
sshd_config. And then I retrieve the output from...?
715 [07:24:35] <somiaj> Seoc: update-initramfs will rebuild the
initramfs
716 [07:24:44] <Seoc> somiaj: I've done that several times
717 [07:24:55] <somiaj> friendofafriend: from journald or
/var/log as before. This will just make sshd be more verbose, so
journald will pick up the extra verbosity.
718 [07:25:01] <Seoc> Primer: What leads you to say that? It
works when I chroot into an sd card and run `partx -a /dev/mmcblk0`
719 [07:25:01] <Primer> then it's not detecting that you
need that for the root fs
720 [07:25:21] <Seoc> No new modules are loaded when I run that
721 [07:25:46] <friendofafriend> Yeah, "Pattern not found:
verb" in sshd_config?
722 [07:25:55] <friendofafriend> What am I supposed to be adding
to make it more verbose?
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724 [07:26:06] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: you could edit
/etc/ssh/sshd_config and increase the LogLevel to VERBOSE to see if
you get more info in the logs
725 [07:26:13] <Primer> Seoc: because when the block device can
be read, the partitions can usually be read easily. The lack of
rootfs after initramfs is usually because said initramfs lack
support
726 [07:26:18] <somiaj> Seoc: in
/etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf do you have MODULES=most?
727 [07:26:23] <Primer> friendofafriend: he meant DEBUG
728 [07:26:29] <Seoc> somiaj: Yep
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730 [07:27:04] <Seoc> Primer: Why would the kernel suddenly be
able to read the partition table, without loading any new modules,
when I chroot into an install on an sd card?
731 [07:27:16] <somiaj> Seoc: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
(should be able to list additional modules to include there)
732 [07:27:30] <Primer> Seoc: context? Did you do this at the
busybox shell you got dropped to after the failed boot?
733 [07:27:35] <Primer> Or did you do this with a livecd?
734 [07:27:45] <Primer> Because you can't just say that in a
vacuum
735 [07:27:57] <Seoc> Primer: I chrooted into an sd card from the
busybox shell, ran `partx -a /dev/mmcblk0` and it read the partition
table
736 [07:28:13] <Seoc> I'm just wondering how I'd get
initramfs to do this
737 [07:28:41] <Primer> the point is, you shouldn't, as long
as all support is loaded from it
738 [07:28:47] <Seoc> I'm currently considering statically
compiling partx and sticking it in with a premount script lol
739 [07:29:46] <Primer> I think you should be considering getting
to the bottom of why the partition is not detected
740 [07:30:11] <friendofafriend> Same blame, nothing output in
the pause.
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742 [07:30:30] <Primer> It's likely you simply need to add a
line to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and update-initramfs
743 [07:30:31] <Seoc> Primer: Well, I don't know the answer
to that. No new modules are loaded when I run `partx` on that block
device, for example.
744 [07:31:00] <Seoc> The block device can be read without issue
from initramfs busybox shell, and it's gpt just like the sd
card
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746 [07:31:14] <Primer> Seoc: what exactly does partx do? I mean,
the parition is already there, is it not?
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748 [07:31:46] <Seoc> The block device for the emmc is already
there, `partx`, if I am not mistaken, tells the kernel to reread the
partition table of that block device
749 [07:32:02] <Primer> Is it just getting the kernel to
'see' it? Does blkid /dev/mmcblk0* report anything before
you run that?
750 [07:32:21] <friendofafriend> This is the dmesg. There's
a complaint about unstable clock on line 438.
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751 [07:32:30] <Seoc> Primer: blkid just shows the block device
itself, none of its partitions
752 [07:32:40] <Seoc> even shows
'PTTYPE="gpt"'
753 [07:33:00] <Primer> Seoc: well, you must specify the
asterisk, as in the example
754 [07:33:06] <Seoc> I did
755 [07:33:11] <Primer> just making sure
756 [07:33:34] <Primer> anyhow, support for partitions could be a
kernel module
757 [07:33:45] <Seoc> It's a builtin
758 [07:33:51] <Primer> and maybe because you're touching a
character device, it's getting loading from busybox?
759 [07:34:05] <Seoc> Again, no modules were loaded when I
chrooted in and ran that :P
760 [07:34:08] <Seoc> This is why I'm stumped
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762 [07:34:33] <Primer> lsmod at busybox, run partx, run it
again, compare? Just curious
763 [07:34:56] <Seoc> Already thought of that too, no change
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766 [07:35:23] <Seoc> phy_rockchip_dp, rtc_rk808, clk_rk808 are
the only loadable modules in use
767 [07:35:44] <Primer> odd indeed
768 [07:36:03] <Primer> the initramfs likely already has some
tools in it
769 [07:36:15] <Seoc> `blockdev`, but it doesn't work
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771 [07:36:32] <Primer> but can't one touch a /sys or /proc
to trigger a partition re-read?
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773 [07:37:11] <Primer> sgdisk? fdisk?
774 [07:37:16] <Primer> parted?
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776 [07:37:22] <Seoc> None are in initramfs
777 [07:37:38] <friendofafriend> Does Debian 10 fetch time over
NTP from somewhere, by default?
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779 [07:39:02] <Seoc> Primer: I know with
/sys/block/$device/device/rescan used to work
780 [07:39:10] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend:
systemd-timesyncd.service is enabled by default
781 [07:39:44] <Seoc> not on this device, but I remember that
from something a few years ago
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1060 [09:07:29] <hoss57> Anyone had any issues on ASUS k450ld with
touchpad? my touchpad doesn't work. have no clue how to fix it.
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1069 [09:13:39] <caballeroalba> /msg alis LIST *freetopic* -mode
-t -show mt
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1076 [09:21:20] <ytf0rd> sup
1077 [09:21:56] <ytf0rd> WHY DO FOIDS HATE ME AND GO FOR CHAD I
HOPE YOU GET AIDS FROM CHAD THUNDERCOCK
1078 [09:22:37] <themill> akb ytf0rd
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1127 [09:51:47] <stevenm_> anyone find it really odd that nftables
just comes as a single conf file? not even a pre-included directory
for individual config files
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1135 [09:56:23] <themill> ,i netfilter-persistent
1136 [09:56:24] <judd> Package netfilter-persistent (admin,
optional) in stretch/amd64: boot-time loader for netfilter
configuration. Version: 1.0.4+nmu2; Size: 8.6k; Installed: 36k
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1138 [09:57:17] <stevenm_> themill, that for me? i'm not talk
about netfilter
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1147 [10:01:30] <themill> actually, the likelihood is
netfilter-persistent should be doing that for nftables too
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1149 [10:01:55] <stevenm_> 'that' being?
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1166 [10:10:09] <blackflow> stevenm_: persistent configuration,
storing rules on shutdown, restoring on boot.
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1170 [10:10:43] <stevenm_> afaik that has nothing to do with nft
conf files
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1173 [10:11:31] <stevenm_> 'nftables' just comes with a
filter table and 3 chains programmed directly into
/etc/nftables.conf - i'd have thought it'd instead just
include *.conf in /etc/nftables.conf.d/ - a directory that
doesn't exist
1174 [10:11:50] <stevenm_> and perhaps have a filter.conf inside
that (for the main table) so you could have a fail2ban.conf or
something else later on
1175 [10:12:02] <stevenm_> that's the point I'm getting
at - this 'netfilter-persistent' isn't needed
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1177 [10:12:16] <stevenm_> nftables comes with it's own
service to start it based on nftables.conf
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1187 [10:17:38] <blackflow> it does but that doens't prevent
you from using netfilter persistence framework and write the plugin
to load up from whatever and wherever files
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1189 [10:21:22] <stevenm_> that just sounds overkill
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1192 [10:22:19] <maze88> hi debian!
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1194 [10:23:10] <Sveta> Hi maze88 :-)
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1198 [10:24:37] <maze88> I am trying to choose the right image to
install on my laptop. What are the 'main' differences
between DVDs 1-3 here
replaced-url
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1205 [10:27:34] <maze88> ..or how/where can I find this out?
1206 [10:28:27] <humpled> “Initially, you will only need to
download and use the first image of a set (labelled as
debian-something-1 to be able to start the Debian installer and set
up Debian on your computer. ”
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1208 [10:29:01] <humpled> “If there are more images
available here (labelled debian-something-2, debian-something-3,
etc.), they contain the extra packages that can be installed on a
Debian system (as mentioned previously).”
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1211 [10:30:27] <brondif> debian livecd has the desktops
environment everything.
1212 [10:30:40] <maze88> Yeah I read the docs. The information is
too vague...does the first image in the set include a desktop
environment also?
1213 [10:30:41] <brondif> live DVD
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1216 [10:33:51] <humpled>
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1217 [10:34:11] <maze88> debian-9.9.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso DOESN'T
contain the word 'gnome' in its name, does that imply it
ships with just the CLI? (opposed to
debian-live-9.9.0-amd64-gnome.iso)
1218 [10:34:26] <humpled> actually appears to contain six desktops
?!
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1223 [10:36:26] <brondif> maze88:Debian 10 is comming soon!
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1225 [10:36:53] <maze88> how soon? ;D
1226 [10:37:11] <brondif> in a few weeks.
1227 [10:37:13] <at0m> maze88: weeks now, afaik
1228 [10:37:45] <ihristov> On 6th of July afaik
1229 [10:38:06] <Habbie> raspberrypi.org is confident enough about
buster that it's their default download now
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1241 [10:45:56] <darxmurf> hum there is only php 7.0 on stretch
repos?
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1244 [10:48:42] <at0m> ,v php
1245 [10:48:43] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49;
buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
1246 [10:49:34] <darxmurf> hm :-/
1247 [10:49:55] <darxmurf> buster is almost released as stable or
?
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1249 [10:50:28] <colo-work> yup
1250 [10:50:28] <at0m> darxmurf: < ihristov> On 6th of July
afaik
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1252 [10:52:05] <jelly> !buster release
1253 [10:52:05] <dpkg> Buster's release is planned for
2019-07-06 (replaced-url
1254 [10:52:22] <maze88> Which image would you recommend me to
download for a 64bit Laptop used for the purpose of web browsing,
scripting (vim, bash etc.), and casual gaming via Steam?
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1257 [10:53:08] <at0m> what's an easy/lightweight way to send
.pdf to printer? using okular to view .pdf's, but not seeing a
print option there apart from Print Preview. the printer shows in my
printer settings/cups
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1259 [10:53:43] <blackflow> at0m: iirc you can literally cat it to
the printer's /dev(ice)
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1261 [10:56:07] <Habbie> that probably depends on the printer
1262 [10:56:43] <at0m> this is an old hp deskjet 980c
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1264 [10:57:12] <Habbie> then cat seems unlikely to work
1265 [10:57:31] <blackflow> try it? it worked for me from years
ago when I actually had a dead tree tatooing device.
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1267 [10:59:09] <at0m> oki, i'll see if i can find a smaller
.pdf and try with that first
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1278 [11:04:37] <blackflow> at0m: if that doesn't work, try
piping the file to ghostscript and convert it to ps (look up actualy
switches for gs, I can't remember now otoh), then send the raw
ps data to the /dev(ice). That must work as postscript stream is the
defacto printing standard
1279 [11:04:45] <lope> is there a way I can check why my cron job
didn't run?
1280 [11:04:58] <at0m> blackflow: printed somewhinch, jibberish
though
1281 [11:05:02] <blackflow> lope: ther'd be something in the
cron.log
1282 [11:05:03] <at0m> err *something
1283 [11:05:17] <blackflow> at0m: try via g(host)s(cript)
1284 [11:05:26] <lope> blackflow, I don't have a cron.log in
/var/log/ ?
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1286 [11:06:38] <blackflow> lope: ah I'm confusing
distros.... then try journalctl -u cron.service
1287 [11:06:56] <blackflow> add the -e flag too
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1290 [11:07:27] <lope> blackflow, I looked there, and also saw
cron stuff in syslog
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1292 [11:07:35] <lope> My particular cron job doesn't get a
mention
1293 [11:07:59] <blackflow> then I guess it's probably not
even being run. what's the crontab line?
1294 [11:08:04] <lope> I'll pastebin my /etc/crontab
1295 [11:08:32] <lope> the particular line is: 59 4 * * *
/path/to/script/restart_router.sh
1296 [11:08:35] <blackflow> good practice would be not to touch
that file but drop a custom file under /etc/cron.d/
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1298 [11:08:49] <blackflow> you're missing the user
1299 [11:08:58] <blackflow> 59 4 * * * someuser /path/to/....
1300 [11:09:01] <lope> oh dang!
1301 [11:09:05] <lope> Thanks bud!
1302 [11:09:13] <blackflow> the only place you don't supply
the user is for user crontabs (crontab -e)
1303 [11:09:39] <lope> I see
1304 [11:09:41] <lope> Thanks buddy
1305 [11:09:48] <blackflow> yw
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1324 [11:27:35] <at0m> blackflow: used cups to set the default
printer, then lpr did it
1325 [11:27:38] <at0m> thanks
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1328 [11:29:20] <blackflow> at0m: ah yes I forgot about the lpr
command. Awesome.
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1331 [11:30:32] <at0m> both xpdf and gv when i clicked print went
"command to use?" "lpr" so i configured cups to
use the deskjet as standard and yay printing
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1339 [11:37:07] <at0m> and now i realize it's a scan from
documents i have on hand.. and could have just copied on another
machine o/
1340 [11:37:14] * at0m sips coffee
1341 [11:37:23] <ghormoon> hi, nay way to debug why i don't
have /tmp/.X11-unix/X)
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1344 [11:37:55] <ghormoon> hi, nay way to debug why i don't
have /tmp/.X11-unix/X0? recently (not 100% sure if tied to some
update) i had issue and found out i need to allow also tcp listener
and then it appears, but now it disappeared again
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1346 [11:38:29] <ghormoon> the runnig process is
/usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -listen local -listen unix -listen tcp vt07 -auth
/var/run/slim.auth
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1449 [12:35:52] <matt7676> Am I correct, that X.509 certificate is
essentially the public key part of my web-server private key file,
CA signature and various information fields like country, city,
organization, etc in a specified format?
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1466 [12:40:13] <f8e3> id dont want to use google drive, what to
install to serve a file via link from a public rented server?
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1469 [12:40:23] <f8e3> simple, safe
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1500 [12:47:58] <MonRa> Hi, anybody here had this bug with i3lock
where two circles appear at the same time on top of the other?
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1578 [13:30:47] <maze88> I have just installed on two VMs:
debian-9.9.0-amd64-DVD-1 (with gnome desktop env) and
debian-live-9.9.0-amd64-gnome; I am struggling to find the
differences between the two images. How can I decide which one to
install on my laptop?
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1581 [13:32:31] <jezebel> i'm guessing the latter is CD-sized
and will only set up a gnome desktop environment (doesnt include
other desktops), the former is a generic install disk which offers
more packages/choices
1582 [13:32:47] <maze88> Biggest diff I found was that after
installation the first takes ~6.9GB of disk space, whereas the
second only ~4.4GB....
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1585 [13:33:15] <maze88> Both have Gnome desktop env.
1586 [13:33:28] <jezebel> yep, but the first is less specific and
wlil offer/install other things too
1587 [13:33:38] <jezebel> i usually start from net install and add
what i need as i go
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1589 [13:34:32] <blackflow> netinst++
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1591 [13:34:33] <maze88> What things (commands, apps, programs) do
you add, for example?
1592 [13:35:05] <jezebel> xfce4-desktop (which brings in x11 and
all that), vim, git, etc
1593 [13:35:06] <maze88> e.g. I want python2 and python3, but i
don't want solitare...
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1595 [13:35:30] <maze88> vim doesn't come in the package? O:
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1597 [13:35:48] <jezebel> not full vim, only vim-tiny, which is
vi-compatible
1598 [13:36:08] <jezebel> full vim is an alternative package
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1603 [13:36:36] <maze88> I guess what I am trying to understand
is, if I opt for the net-install, how many things that I am used to
(from Ubuntu) will I end up needing to install manually...
1604 [13:37:03] <maze88> To what extent is it bare-bones?
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1606 [13:37:30] <jezebel> it's as barebones as you get unless
you start doing your own install
1607 [13:37:44] <jezebel> (as in building your on kernel and
packages)
1608 [13:37:50] <jezebel> own*
1609 [13:38:03] <maze88> That sounds a bit advanced to me...
1610 [13:38:04] <jezebel> you wont even get wifi drivers
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1612 [13:38:18] <maze88> Yeah, that's too primal for me ;D
1613 [13:38:19] <jezebel> (you'll need to install those with
apt yourself)
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1615 [13:38:45] <maze88> So I will pass on net-install, how should
I determine which of those images will be more suitable out-of
-the-box for me?
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1617 [13:39:08] <maze88> debian-9.9.0-amd64-DVD-1 &
debian-live-9.9.0-amd64-gnome
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1620 [13:39:55] <maze88> The DVD offered various desktop
environments, but I will only use gnome in the end probably.
1621 [13:40:19] <blackflow> uhm what? with net isntall you can
select gnome desktop and it'll install a fully working desktop,
you don't need to build your kernel
1622 [13:40:35] <jezebel> blackflow… yep?
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1624 [13:40:45] <Johann> yeah net install with download all you
need during the installation compared to dvd install which will read
htem from the dvd
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1626 [13:40:47] <jezebel> i meant it's as barebones install
as you can get from debian
1627 [13:40:54] <Johann> net install is the recommended way for
really most cases
1628 [13:41:00] <blackflow> without the desktop it'll install
a fully usable base debian you can log into, no gui (think servers)
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1631 [13:41:06] <jezebel> blackflow… yep
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1633 [13:41:48] <blackflow> jezebel: sorry, I must've misread
your building own kernel :)
1634 [13:41:51] <jezebel> what i meant was that you wont get a
more minimalist offering from debian
1635 [13:42:03] <jezebel> if you want even more minimalist
you'll need to build your own kernel/packages
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1638 [13:42:13] <blackflow> you meant that "as barebones as
possible unless you LFS it yourself" :)
1639 [13:42:18] <jezebel> yeahhhhh
1640 [13:42:25] <maze88> *still feeling lost*
1641 [13:42:41] <jezebel> maze88… you can use the live cd
and install other desktops later if you feel you need htem
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1643 [13:43:08] <jezebel> the dvds are full of packages that you
can otherwise download/instlal later
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1646 [13:44:09] <maze88> i downloaded and installed (on test VM)
just the first dvd anyway..
1647 [13:44:22] <jezebel> think of the live cd as "enough to
get you a working gnome desktop", you configure the rest
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1649 [13:44:44] <maze88> so I am still struggling to compare that
first dvd to the live gnome iso.
1650 [13:44:55] <jezebel> yeah, the dvd is agnostic and contains
most commonly used things in the first dvd so you dont have to
download multiple dvds to install a simple system :)
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1652 [13:45:19] <maze88> so dvd1 is similar enough to live iso?
1653 [13:45:24] <jezebel> think of the dvd as 'debian if you
cant get access the internet'
1654 [13:45:33] <diogenes_> so guys, ubuntu is gonna lose a lot of
users because it dumped 32bit libraries altogether, is debian going
that route too anytime soon?
1655 [13:45:49] <jezebel> it will have the packages that you could
download/install using apt
1656 [13:46:01] <Johann> maze88: if you want to install debian you
should just use the netinstall and chose your desktop environment
during the installation procedure, don't bother with dvd
install
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1658 [13:46:30] <jezebel> i'm assumig you have internet for
this computer you're installing on
1659 [13:46:39] <blackflow> diogenes_: turns out they aren't
dumping but doing something even more apaling: forward-porting i386
from 18.04. I have no idea how they intend to coerce dpkg to install
:i386 at different versions from :amd64
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1662 [13:47:06] <maze88> it's a laptop with no ethernet
connection so it might be challenging..
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1664 [13:47:30] <maze88> only wifi adaptor.
1665 [13:47:39] <diogenes_> blackflow, that won't save them,
valve already announced they won't support it.
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1667 [13:47:54] <blackflow> the valve dev who "announced
it", did so before this turn of events.
1668 [13:48:01] <jezebel> you could download the relevant wifi
packages and install those offline yourselef, but yes, that's
more challenging
1669 [13:48:16] <jezebel> (and their dependencies of coures)
1670 [13:48:28] <blackflow> does the dvd1 contain non-free
firmware? that might be needed to get the wifi going at all
1671 [13:48:38] <jezebel> i cant remember if it does or not
1672 [13:48:48] <jelly> no official image contains non-free
firmware
1673 [13:48:50] <jezebel> there is a non-free installer but
it's testing branch
1674 [13:48:58] <jezebel> unofficial
1675 [13:49:04] <jezebel> jelly… yeah i thought so
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1677 [13:49:16] <Johann> maze88: what is your wifi card ?
1678 [13:49:44] <maze88> are there free drivers/firmware for
common network adaptors in [asus] laptops? maybe mine will simply
work with what the official image ships with
1679 [13:49:59] <maze88> laptop is at home right now, i'm on
office computer now -.-
1680 [13:50:06] <Johann> :) it's ok
1681 [13:50:12] <jezebel> that said, debian is logical and a lot
of fun to learn :)
1682 [13:50:45] <maze88> yeah i am looking forward. i currently
have only really 'lived' in ubuntu..
1683 [13:50:51] <Johann> maze88: what i'd recommend you is,
just test an install and see if your card is detected. It should try
to connect to internet before modifying anything on your system`
1684 [13:51:18] <Johann> if it doesn't work, just follow this
to download and access the non free firmware during installation
replaced-url
1685 [13:51:20] <jezebel> yeah boot up debian live and see if
it's recognised
1686 [13:51:59] <Johann> you basicalliy just need a FAT drive with
the require archive extracted there
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1690 [13:54:15] <maze88> " Wi-Fi: Integrated 802.11 AC "
1691 [13:54:25] <maze88> or is that too vague?
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1693 [13:54:33] <Johann> yes it is
1694 [13:54:34] <blackflow> it is, you need the chipset
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1696 [13:55:19] <maze88> ASUS ZenBook UX410UQ is the laptop's
model.
1697 [13:55:32] <blackflow> if you have ubuntu livedvd/usb
somewhere, you can boot into that and run some lspci magick to
collect driver info
1698 [13:55:40] <maze88> Chipset
1699 [13:55:49] <maze88> That's what the Asus website says.
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1703 [13:56:27] <blackflow> could be anything. atheros (good),
broadcom (bad), intel, realtek, something else (meh)
1704 [13:57:42] <maze88> so i'll `lspci` at home after work
to get driver info on my wireless adaptor, and then where would i
check to see if it is supported by debian's free firmware?
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1706 [13:58:20] <maze88> from the vague info i found online it
could be good or meh (atheros or intel)!
1707 [13:58:25] <jeddi> you can enter the string into a search
engine with 'linux' and that's a good start.
1708 [13:58:30] <abrotman> I'd say 99% it isn't, and
you'll need to /msg dpkg firmware images
1709 [13:58:51] <blackflow> maze88: I'd also look at this:
replaced-url
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1712 [14:00:20] <maze88> cheers.
1713 [14:00:29] <jezebel> free is being used as 'free
speech' not 'free beer' on that page
1714 [14:00:58] <maze88> classic metaphor. i'm familiar, ty!
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1722 [14:02:04] <Johann> it looks like it is an atheros card on
UX410UQ
1723 [14:02:22] <muAdmDev> on one of our debian systems we got a
user 'linux'. This user it not running any processes right
now, I'd like to get rid of this user
1724 [14:02:45] <muAdmDev> can I just remove the user
'linux'. what is that user for?
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1729 [14:05:46] <Johann> muAdmDev: i would first check if you can
find out which package created the user, see this stackexchange
question
replaced-url
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1734 [14:07:08] <Johann> if it isn't found this way, it
probably is a standalone install or a sysadmin who created it and
then it's not really debian related, depends on your
environment
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1741 [14:08:25] <maze88> thank you for all the advice guys,
i'm going to get back to work and stop lurking here now or else
i'll be baited into more interesting questions ;D
1742 [14:08:40] <jelly> muAdmDev: Debian does not have a
pre-created used called "linux"
1743 [14:08:40] <maze88> i'll be back in the future for more
help with setting up my laptop i presume <3
1744 [14:09:03] <jelly> user*
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1754 [14:15:54] <muAdmDev> jelly: thx, that's my knwoledge
too, I was really surpriseed
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1758 [14:16:42] <furycd001> HI.. I want to use xdotool with a
keybinding to open a file in atom and have the window automatically
resize to a certain size & position. I can use
"xdotool search --onlyvisible --name atom" to get the id
for atom & then use "xdotool search --onlyvisible --name
atom && xdotool windowsize 83886081 800 400 &&
xdotool windowmove 83886081 1090 480" to resize & position
the window. The problem is that the id seems to
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1762 [14:18:32] <jelly> furycd001: use xlsclients or similar to
find out the right window id
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1765 [14:19:31] <queip> aptitude upgrade - 0 packages upgraded, 0
newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
1766 [14:19:40] <queip> how to see/upgrade the 2 that are not
upgraded?
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1768 [14:19:49] <furycd001> Thanks jelly will have a look at that
now....
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1772 [14:21:20] <themill> queip: "aptitude search ~U" or
"aptitude full-upgrade"
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1805 [14:44:06] <tsglove> For sending simple emails out the
command line... SSMTP is ok? Or would you guys suggest something
else?
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1807 [14:45:24] <jelly> tsglove: if it does TLS these days, sure
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1810 [14:46:10] <jelly> you could also try msmtp-mta or dma, dma
also has very basic local delivery to /var/mail/$USER
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1815 [14:47:21] <tsglove> jelly, msmtp-mta? Checking that one
out...
1816 [14:47:23] <tsglove> Thank you!
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1841 [15:01:57] <vlt> Hello. Does anyone know what
"AuthMethod=..." I need to authenticate ssmtp to a
"Microsoft Exchange" SMTP server?
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1843 [15:04:17] <jelly> vlt: anything but DIGEST-MD5
1844 [15:04:36] <jelly> PLAIN or LOGIN ought to work
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1847 [15:06:10] <jelly> or maybe just LOGIN, no PLAIN
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1849 [15:07:34] <jelly> vlt: just make sure you use the
SSL-enabled services for submission, eg. port 465 with direct SSL,
or, less preferable, port 587 with STARTTLS
1850 [15:07:37] <vlt> jelly: Thank you.
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1926 [15:41:50] <rabbi> caution... linux god just stepped in
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1930 [15:43:31] <greycat> Stepped in what? Oh, ereplaced-url
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1934 [15:46:00] <blackflow> somewhere outside, even. please
don't soil the door mat.
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1937 [15:46:47] <rabbi> sed -r 's/\x0D//g' microsoft.txt
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1940 [15:47:17] <greycat> why use -r there?
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1943 [15:47:57] <greycat> the g modifier is also dubious, as there
shouldn't ever be more than one carriage return per line
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1946 [15:50:26] <greycat> in fact, your command could be replaced
by tr -d '\r' < microsoft.txt
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1948 [15:51:03] <jelly> /usr/bin/dos2unix forever!!1
1949 [15:51:24] <greycat> (that overwrites the file; the sed and
tr commands do not)
1950 [15:51:33] <rabbi> caution... kernel god just stepped in
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1952 [15:51:49] <greycat> rabbi: are you a human?
1953 [15:51:54] <Ticho> files with windows-style line breaks
deserve to be overwritten!
1954 [15:52:14] <jelly> greycat: no bot would write such a sed
1955 [15:52:42] <jelly> admittedly a non-bot might have populated
a bot's db
1956 [15:52:47] <greycat> compared to what we usually get in
#bash, that's practically Shakespeare
1957 [15:53:03] <jelly> dpkg, what are you
1958 [15:53:03] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask
me about <infobot>.
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1963 [15:53:47] <jezebel> dpkg, where are you
1964 [15:53:47] <dpkg> I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129
Longitude: -117.3275986
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1971 [15:55:07] <blackflow> Riverside!
1972 [15:55:13] <Ticho> caution... irc bot just stepped out
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1975 [15:56:41] <jelly> it output the very same lines to other
channels I shared with it
1976 [15:57:03] <jelly> so either a bot, or AMSG happy, or both
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2002 [16:09:19] <EdePopede> dpkg, how are you
2003 [16:09:19] <dpkg> EdePopede: just great
2004 [16:09:33] <EdePopede> nobody cares about how a lil bot feels
:(
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2006 [16:10:14] <blackflow> sure we do!
2007 [16:10:17] <blackflow> !botsnack
2008 [16:10:17] <dpkg> aw, gee, blackflow
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2012 [16:11:07] <EdePopede> and don't forget the refreshment.
feels like hell's just opening its gates.
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2014 [16:11:46] <EdePopede> still don't know what it is that
makes the difference, but the sensor values are fine with stretch.
and no more freezes.
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2032 [16:22:51] <laughingtiger> hi guys, why the grub menu loads
slower about 1s when change to bios+mbr than uefi? the key stroke is
about 1s slower .
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2047 [16:24:50] <laughingtiger> the stupid windows refuse to
install on a gpt+uefi harddrive, so I have to install windows with a
bios+mbr drive, then debian has to follow this too, and then
there's the problem.
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2050 [16:26:24] <petn-randall> laughingtiger: If you switch your
boot method, you'll also have to fix anything else around it,
including installing grub new.
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2052 [16:26:42] <petn-randall> laughingtiger: You must have an old
Windows if you can't use EFI boot.
2053 [16:26:46] <laughingtiger> the motherboard seems to have a
setup of changing between bios to uefi, but after an upgrade, it
just disappeared.
2054 [16:27:01] <laughingtiger> petn-randall, no, it's
windows10
2055 [16:27:19] <gasparo> wth linux iphone
replaced-url
2056 [16:28:25] <laughingtiger> petn-randall, idk why it happened,
but windows just complains that it can't install on the
selected partition because it's a gpt partition.
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2058 [16:29:37] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2061 [16:29:53] <petn-randall> laughingtiger: That sounds like
something ##windows could answer.
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2063 [16:31:13] <laughingtiger> petn-randall, I know, I just
confused by the significantly slow key stroke, is it normal to be
like that for grub with mbr?
2064 [16:31:26] <petn-randall> no
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2068 [16:32:07] <petn-randall> But if you installed Debian on
EFI/gpt, and now boot via legacy bios / MBR, I'm surprised that
it boots at all.
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2072 [16:33:55] <denys> anybody knows why my linux
showed up as an iphone
replaced-url
2073 [16:33:56] <laughingtiger> petn-randall, debian is good
enough or smart enough to tell me if I choose uefi install windows
probably wouldn't be able to boot, so I had to choose not uefi
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2076 [16:34:12] <laughingtiger> won't*
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2083 [16:36:28] <laughingtiger> but should grub be so slow on mbr
mode? or is it sth related to my bios settings?
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2085 [16:36:52] <Tenkawa> define slow
2086 [16:36:53] <greycat> My first guess is "frame buffer vs.
raw VGA text mode"
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2088 [16:37:10] <greycat> And like Tenkawa, I'm making some
guesses about what you mean, because it's really not clear.
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2090 [16:37:44] <greycat> He said there is a 1 second delay when
he boots, but I think what he *actually* means is that when
he's not actually booting, but trying to *interact* with grub,
it's sluggish.
2091 [16:38:06] <Tenkawa> hmmm
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2094 [16:38:39] <laughingtiger> greycat, sorry about the
misunderstanding, I mean when I stroke a key like up key or down
key, it delays about 1s to appear on the screen.
2095 [16:38:40] <wwilliam> hello how do i delete this from my
mailq sendmail
replaced-url
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2098 [16:38:53] <Tenkawa> yeah I'd like to know if it affect
keystrokes specificly
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2100 [16:39:05] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
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2102 [16:40:10] <Tenkawa> that might be a bios setting
2103 [16:40:19] <Tenkawa> did it recently happen?
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2106 [16:41:08] <laughingtiger> Tenkawa, yeah, today I mean.
2107 [16:41:25] <laughingtiger> Tenkawa, so it's a bios thing
you think?
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2109 [16:41:56] <Tenkawa> did you update kernel today?
2110 [16:42:02] <greycat> first useful google result is
replaced-url
2111 [16:43:34] <Tenkawa> yeah that does sound familiar
2112 [16:44:02] <Tenkawa> what vid card do you have?
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2115 [16:45:08] <laughingtiger> Tenkawa, I forgot to say during
installation I killed a process, apt-get update, it stucked there.
then finished the install.
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2117 [16:45:23] <Tenkawa> oh
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2119 [16:46:08] <Tenkawa> well.... that can change things
substantially
2120 [16:46:09] <laughingtiger> the message on the screen was
" updating list of available packages"
2121 [16:46:16] <Tenkawa> oh ..
2122 [16:46:26] <Tenkawa> did you rerun?
2123 [16:46:40] <laughingtiger> it just stucked at there
2124 [16:46:49] <Tenkawa> as long as you rerun apt-get update
you're good
2125 [16:46:59] <laughingtiger> no, after that process was killed,
the installation continued
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2127 [16:47:17] <Tenkawa> thats odd that it stuck there
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2129 [16:47:35] <Tenkawa> sounds like your sd card might be
questionable
2130 [16:48:01] <Tenkawa> or media you used to install
2131 [16:48:06] <Tenkawa> whatever you used
2132 [16:48:15] <Tenkawa> useb/cd
2133 [16:48:16] <greycat> Sounded more like it couldn't reach
the apt mirror.
2134 [16:48:23] <Tenkawa> er usb/cd/net
2135 [16:48:50] <laughingtiger> also, debian's text mode
installer returns to choose step menu several times, it
shouldn't happen, usually is goes smoothly like after choose
language it then automatically goes to the next step, but this time
it returned to let me choose what to do next, gave me a list of
steps.
2136 [16:49:00] <Tenkawa> greycat: yeah thats what I meant to
type.. I doh'd soon as I typed it
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2139 [16:49:15] <Zewwy> Hello.... what are the legit repo URLs for
debian?
2140 [16:49:23] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
2141 [16:49:23] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
2142 [16:49:23] <jelly> wwilliam: do you really have sendmail
installed? What does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" say?
2143 [16:49:24] <laughingtiger> I checked the md5sum, it matches.
2144 [16:49:35] <Zewwy> I noticed one failing when I ran apt-get
update, and that was for httpredir.debian.org
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2146 [16:49:49] <Zewwy> is this a legit URL?
2147 [16:49:50] <greycat> !httpredir
2148 [16:49:50] <dpkg> The httpredir.debian.org redirector (based
on HTTP 302s) was shutdown on 2017-02-13 and replaced by
<deb.debian.org>. Existing entries in sources.list will keep
working as the DNS entries for httpredir.debian.org have been
pointed to deb.debian.org.
2149 [16:50:00] <wwilliam> bash-3.00# sendmail -d0.4 -bv root |
grep Version
2150 [16:50:01] <wwilliam> Version 8.13.6
2151 [16:50:03] <wwilliam> bash-3.00#
2152 [16:50:14] <greycat> bash 3.00?
2153 [16:50:19] <wwilliam> sorry
2154 [16:50:22] <wwilliam> yes
2155 [16:50:26] <greycat> this isn't a Debian system, is it
2156 [16:50:27] <jelly> wwilliam: what does "dpkg -S
/usr/sbin/sendmail" say?
2157 [16:50:29] <Zewwy> When I tested it in my broser my company
security policy blocked it cause it was reditrecting to 7online,
some web-advertising category according to my URL cat system
2158 [16:50:30] <wwilliam> no
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2160 [16:51:03] <Zewwy> thanks dpkg, but there appears to be
alternative redirects happening to web-adverts
2161 [16:51:31] <Zewwy> is this intended?
2162 [16:51:34] <greycat> when you tested "it" ...
"it" was redirecting to
2163 [16:51:43] <wwilliam> sorry Jelly this is not debian my
apologies
2164 [16:52:03] <jelly> wwilliam: ask in more general linux
channel if you're not running Debian, please. Or in a Sendmail
related channel if there is one. You can search for channels on
freenode like this: /msg alias list sendmail
2165 [16:52:15] <greycat> alis not alias
2166 [16:52:16] <jelly> wwilliam: sorry, /msg alis list sendmail
2167 [16:52:27] <greycat> (Yeah, I get that too. Muscle memory.)
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2169 [16:52:52] <jelly> serves me right for not reading the line
before pressing enter
2170 [16:53:01] <Tenkawa> lunch time..bbialw.. cheers for now
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2175 [16:53:22] <wwilliam> Thank you jelly greycat
2176 [16:53:47] <Zewwy> navigating to "replaced-url
2177 [16:53:50] <jelly> I don't think I've had Sendmail
installed this decade, or this century
2178 [16:54:09] <greycat> Zewwy: so switch to the currently
recommended deb.debian.org, or choose your own mirror
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2180 [16:54:26] <greycat> !deb.debian.org
2181 [16:54:26] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is
backed by international content delivery networks and for most
users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the
<sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt
queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older
apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs.
See
replaced-url
2182 [16:54:28] <jhutchins_wk1> ,v irssi
2183 [16:54:29] <judd> Package: irssi on amd64 -- jessie:
0.8.17-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u5; stretch:
1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports:
1.2.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.0-2; sid: 1.2.0-2
2184 [16:54:35] <Zewwy> but is that old record not controlled by
the debian crew?
2185 [16:54:42] <Zewwy> shouldn't fishy redirects be
investigated?
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2190 [16:55:31] <humpled> are you updating someone's machine
for the first time since 2017?
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2192 [16:55:43] <greycat> httpredir.debian.org is a CNAME for
static.debian.org which resolves, for me, to 4 v4 and 3 v6
addresses.
2193 [16:56:10] <greycat> I could probe each of those 4 v4s one by
one to see what happens. I won't, though. I cannot connect to
v6.
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2197 [16:58:03] <andre144k> hi all... i have follow ~/.screenrc:
replaced-url
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2202 [16:58:29] <greycat> Do people go out of their way to make
paste sites as horrible as possible...
2203 [16:58:33] <andre144k> its scrolling allways until last line
automatically... anyone knows how to disable this?
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2206 [17:00:05] <greycat>
aria-hidden="true"></span>
2207 [17:00:05] <greycat> NoPaste requires a modern browser to
work.
2208 [17:00:09] <jelly> Zewwy: pastebin the output of this: curl
-v -L
replaced-url
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2210 [17:00:33] <andre144k> i dont know other pastebins
2211 [17:00:41] <andre144k> i
2212 [17:01:01] <greycat> 12">
2213 [17:01:02] <greycat> NoPaste is a minimalist, open source
online pastebin where the server has zero knowledge of pasted data.
Data is encrypted/decrypted <i>in the browser</i>
2214 [17:01:08] <petn-randall> andre144k:
replaced-url
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2217 [17:02:08] <andre144k>
replaced-url
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2221 [17:02:52] <andre144k> when im scrolling up via SHIFT+UP its
scrolling down automatically...
2222 [17:02:57] <jelly> Zewwy: I see a single redirect for that.
If you see more, something _is_ fishy, and it's likely your
internet provider.
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2224 [17:03:46] <petn-randall> andre144k: That's your
terminal. If you press ctrl+a, then escape, you should be able to
scroll up and down freely within screen. Press escape again to
return to the usual mode.
2225 [17:03:57] <Zewwy> I doubt Shaw is redirecting me, what is
your single redirected URL?
2226 [17:04:09] <Zewwy> Also I can't run CURL I use Windows
2227 [17:04:12] <andre144k> im using putty
2228 [17:04:14] <greycat> *plonk*
2229 [17:04:19] <Zewwy> If I attempt the above command on my
debian installation
2230 [17:04:32] <Zewwy> it'll be behind my firewalls rules
which was blocking that URL cause of the reason I specified
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2233 [17:05:08] <Zewwy> My Palo aAlto firewall is catching
alternative redirects
2234 [17:05:35] <andre144k> strg+a + escape enables copy/mode but
scrolling not enabled
2235 [17:06:00] <jelly> Zewwy: disable it or show its logs?
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2237 [17:06:33] <Zewwy> OK NM, I'm chaning my siource repo
URLS, I've let you know about the fishy redirects, that's
all I can do
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2240 [17:07:32] <jelly> they're not fishy from where I'm
standing.
2241 [17:07:42] <Zewwy> also Jelly, if I navigate to the URL you
specifed (fully qualkified)
2242 [17:07:46] <Zewwy> it works
2243 [17:07:52] <Zewwy> if I naviagte to the base site
2244 [17:08:03] <Zewwy>
replaced-url
2245 [17:08:07] <Zewwy> you get funky redirects
2246 [17:08:18] <jelly> why would you want to visit that?
2247 [17:08:22] <jezebel> andre144k… it's a Putty
setting
2248 [17:08:24] <Zewwy> just for testing
2249 [17:08:30] <greycat> "the browser my compromised windows
box using compromised DNS servers gives me fishy results that nobody
else in the entire Debian world sees, so there must be something
wrong on the Debian servers"
2250 [17:08:41] <Zewwy> the base URL should be just as secured
2251 [17:08:46] <jelly> Zewwy: testing of what?
2252 [17:08:47] <andre144k> jezebel, u have an idea which one?
2253 [17:08:54] <Zewwy> getting simple content
2254 [17:09:01] <jelly> apt does not visit that
2255 [17:09:04] <jezebel> Putty > Change settings > Window
> Reset scrollback on display activity
2256 [17:09:05] <Zewwy> exactly liek the source repos that are
available
2257 [17:09:10] <humpled> the base url just gives me text about
deb.debian.org
2258 [17:09:19] <jezebel> uncheck that box
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2260 [17:09:25] <Zewwy> humpled: suppose to, but funky redirects
happening
2261 [17:09:40] <Zewwy> just sayin'
2262 [17:09:43] <jelly> Zewwy: not from here.
2263 [17:09:51] <humpled> how to reproduce that behaviour?
2264 [17:09:57] <jelly> Zewwy: fix your firewall and/or your dns.
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2266 [17:10:04] <Zewwy> My firewall has a policy based on URLs hit
2267 [17:10:20] <jelly> Zewwy: curl -v -L
replaced-url
2268 [17:10:22] <jezebel> andre144k…
replaced-url
2269 [17:10:28] <greycat> Linkname:Welcome to deb.debian.org!
URL:replaced-url
2270 [17:10:37] <Zewwy> It's hitting a URL thats categorized
as Web-Advertisement, the second time I tested that URL I was hit to
a sit Categorized as "insuffient-data"
2271 [17:10:49] <jelly> Zewwy: either your firewall or your dns
resolution is broken
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2274 [17:11:08] <jelly> (or both)
2275 [17:11:11] <Zewwy> Name: httpredir.debain.org
2276 [17:11:12] <Zewwy> Address: 95.211.219.66
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2278 [17:11:58] <jelly> Zewwy: that's not what I'm
getting.
2279 [17:12:19] <jelly> Zewwy: so it's at least your dns
resoultion, and maybe more
2280 [17:12:29] <humpled> did you really write debain?
2281 [17:12:39] <Zewwy> Name: httpredir.debain.org
2282 [17:12:40] <Zewwy> Address: 81.171.22.4
2283 [17:12:42] <Zewwy> mhmm
2284 [17:12:55] <jelly> humpled: nice catch!
2285 [17:12:57] <Zewwy> shoot
2286 [17:13:06] <humpled> :þ
2287 [17:13:29] <EdePopede> goes to static.debian.org here. 4 v4
IPs. none of those you posted
2288 [17:13:29] <Zewwy> Its monday
2289 [17:13:38] <EdePopede> heh
2290 [17:13:45] <Zewwy> so someone is squatting the alternative
DNS name
2291 [17:14:03] <jelly> still those typo domain squatters seem to
have caught one
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2293 [17:14:16] <Zewwy> yeah not much you can do
2294 [17:14:24] <Zewwy> registering every possible domain is like
impossible
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2296 [17:14:38] <jelly> Name Server: NS1.HASTYDNS.COM
2297 [17:14:49] <jelly> more like hasty fingers
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2300 [17:15:20] <Zewwy> thanks humpled and jelly
2301 [17:15:40] <Zewwy> "Just a little Monday detail,
Micheal"
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2304 [17:15:54] <greycat> more like NASTYDNS
2305 [17:16:07] <Habbie> leave dns alone
2306 [17:16:16] <Zewwy> I'm amazed it was registerd by
GoDaddy
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2308 [17:16:28] <Zewwy> almost every zero day domain squat I see
is by GoDaddy
2309 [17:16:40] <jelly> Creation Date: 2009-09-29T14:30:12Z
2310 [17:16:44] <jelly> not exactly zero day
2311 [17:16:55] <Zewwy> No, but figured one liek that
wouldn't be
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2314 [17:17:23] <Zewwy> out of the ones I do see, though
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2316 [17:18:56] <EdePopede> seems to be their business model
replaced-url
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2323 [17:21:21] <Zewwy> For me everything worked as the others
stated once I got past my phat finger
2324 [17:21:38] <jelly> whose rpz is that
2325 [17:21:52] <Zewwy> expect now that I adjusted my sources list
to use deb.debian.org instead, when I ran apt-get update it
attempted to hit debain.net as well now
2326 [17:21:55] <Zewwy> and that failed
2327 [17:22:01] <Zewwy> as its not allowed in my URL list
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2329 [17:22:19] <Zewwy> sorry dbian.net*
2330 [17:22:24] <Zewwy> oh gawd
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2332 [17:23:48] <jelly> it seems your firewall is doing good work
preventing you from enjoying all those typos
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2336 [17:24:32] <EdePopede> jelly, as far as i see it's that
guy
replaced-url
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2338 [17:24:46] <Zewwy> it is :)
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2342 [17:26:11] <Zewwy> ok this time.. I don't think I phat
fingered anything..
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2344 [17:26:52] <Zewwy>
replaced-url
2345 [17:26:55] <Zewwy> getting a 404
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2348 [17:27:44] <EdePopede> the path ends here:
replaced-url
2349 [17:27:45] <horribleprogram> Zewwy: there is no
jessie-backports
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2351 [17:28:18] <somiaj> Zewwy: jessie is no longer on the offical
mirrors, check archive.debian.org
2352 [17:28:28] <jelly> !jessie-backports
2353 [17:28:28] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian
9) but rebuilt for use with Jessie (Debian 8) can be found in the
"jessie-backports" repository. See
replaced-url
2354 [17:28:42] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
2355 [17:28:42] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb
replaced-url
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2360 [17:29:26] <Zewwy> mhmm I thought those were the only two
lines I had enabled...
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2362 [17:29:49] <jelly> you may have files matching
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list
2363 [17:30:04] <Zewwy> oh whoops I have main and contrib
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2365 [17:30:11] <Zewwy> not security
2366 [17:31:27] <Zewwy> gosh darn dang it
2367 [17:31:52] <Zewwy> I just want to update lol
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2374 [17:32:52] <Zewwy>
replaced-url
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2380 [17:33:48] <Zewwy> yup multiple sources files
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2396 [17:42:01] <Zewwy> K I commented out every alternative source
file, and made the main sources.list contain only the stated lines
for my repos
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2398 [17:42:37] <Zewwy>
replaced-url
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2400 [17:42:51] <Zewwy> i unno what I missed
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2404 [17:45:58] <jmcnaught> !show sources.list
2405 [17:45:58] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your
/etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The
easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0
/etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
2406 [17:46:14] <Zewwy> kk
2407 [17:46:15] <jmcnaught> Zewwy: ^^ please use
replaced-url
2408 [17:46:31] <Zewwy> I can't copy n paste the console as
its a VM console
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2410 [17:46:35] <Zewwy> hence why imgure
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2413 [17:47:44] <jmcnaught> you can use pastebinit or termbin.com
then, but if there's a typo I'd like to be able to select
copy/paste and not have to retype it
2414 [17:48:02] <Zewwy>
replaced-url
2415 [17:48:14] <Zewwy> I did the needful
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2418 [17:48:53] <jelly> Zewwy: there is no /debian/ after
replaced-url
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2420 [17:49:09] <Zewwy> as shown, only sources.list has
uncommented repo URL specified
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2422 [17:49:28] <Zewwy> ohh
2423 [17:49:45] <Zewwy>
replaced-url
2424 [17:49:49] <Zewwy> This does show it as such?
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2426 [17:50:05] <Zewwy> wait
2427 [17:50:06] <jelly> I don't know wtf edits the wiki,
it's not me
2428 [17:50:15] <Zewwy> no no
2429 [17:50:16] <greycat> you can find out, you know
2430 [17:50:19] <Zewwy> its just me again...
2431 [17:50:20] <Zewwy> sigh
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2436 [17:50:48] <jelly> Zewwy: that page shows the right deb
security repo
2437 [17:50:50] <jelly> deb
replaced-url
2438 [17:50:54] <jelly> ^ this is fine.
2439 [17:51:06] <jelly> and does not "show it as such"
2440 [17:51:22] <Zewwy> its all me, phat finger you caught again
2441 [17:51:34] <Zewwy> I just wish therewas more conistency lol
2442 [17:51:41] <jelly> you don't have a finger that typos
"debian/"
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2444 [17:52:06] <greycat> don't judge Zewwy's body
issues
2445 [17:52:09] <Zewwy> It's all me and the Monday Details
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2447 [17:52:31] <Zewwy> its now 100% success
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2450 [17:52:38] <Zewwy> thanks for catching all my dumb mistakes
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2453 [17:55:32] <jelly> you might require more sleep, or more
coffee, or a sxdciyela expert
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2492 [18:15:41] <Zewwy> Coffeeeeeee
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2678 [19:49:05] <tijko> i think i have an issue with my Release
repo signing
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2688 [19:55:15] <annadane> tijko, okay, more information so we can
help you?
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2691 [19:55:56] <tijko>
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2692 [19:56:07] <tijko> its after i do "apt update"
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2698 [19:56:33] <tijko> i get tmp file can't be created and
"Release not Signed"
2699 [19:56:33] * jhutchins_wk bets on jessie-updates'
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2701 [19:56:45] <tijko> i was thinking upgrade
2702 [19:56:50] <tijko> i saw with apt-key list
2703 [19:57:11] <jmcnaught> "Couldn't create temporary
file /tmp/apt.conf.ALAtj6 for passing config to
apt-key"… is /tmp read-only?
2704 [19:57:18] <jezebel> is your /tmp full???
2705 [19:57:31] <tijko> jmcnaught no
2706 [19:57:35] <jhutchins_wk> zNope.
2707 [19:57:49] <tijko> jezebel no
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2709 [19:58:11] <jhutchins_wk> tijko: Try doing "touch
/tmp/apt.conf.ALAtj6"
2710 [19:58:16] <tijko> `mount' and `lsblk' check out
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2712 [19:58:38] <jhutchins_wk> tijko: How about df?
2713 [19:58:50] <tijko> err `df' yeah
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2715 [19:59:48] <greycat> you could show the relevant output line
from mount, and from df, and tell us what happens when you try to
create a new file in /tmp
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2718 [20:01:51] <jezebel> (preferably with the same user)
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2723 [20:02:47] <tijko> greycat i can put together a paste
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2726 [20:03:29] <jhutchins_wk> tijko: df -i might also be of
interest.
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2740 [20:10:51] <annadane> can i really not change the
notification type with update-alternatives if i'd installed
mate and it overwrote the xfce one?
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2768 [20:27:48] <jhutchins_wk> That's not good, you're
supposed to be able to install multiple DEs.
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2772 [20:28:22] <jelly> annadane: what's a notification type?
2773 [20:28:44] <annadane> sorry, the notification display on the
top right
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2775 [20:28:52] <annadane> i'm still using stretch btw
2776 [20:29:00] <annadane> dunno if it's fixed in buster, or
whatever
2777 [20:29:01] <jelly> how dare you
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2783 [20:30:29] <paulo> Hey everyone!
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2785 [20:31:19] <annadane> and by type i just mean its visual
appearance
2786 [20:31:24] <annadane> i'm very bad with precision of
language sometiems
2787 [20:31:27] <annadane> and spelling
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2789 [20:31:43] <somiaj> annadane: what is doing the notification,
is it gtk3? Maybe it is a gtk3 theme setting?
2790 [20:32:15] <annadane> possibly, that's something i can
look into
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2792 [20:32:44] <EdePopede> kann ja auch mal reinhören
2793 [20:32:46] <EdePopede> rtt
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2798 [20:33:14] <somiaj> annadane: you may need to track down the
actual application which is providing these notifications, and
configure how it looks.
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2800 [20:33:27] <annadane> actually, i changed the theme in
mate-control-center and i quite like it so i think i'll keep
this one :D
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2807 [20:39:21] <paulo> Anybody knows what the date Debian's
10 release?
2808 [20:40:03] <greycat> !Buster release
2809 [20:40:04] <dpkg> Buster's release is planned for
2019-07-06 (replaced-url
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2812 [20:41:43] <paulo> Thanks! <dpkg>
2813 [20:41:56] <annadane> why do people never notice the
!command?
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2842 [20:54:12] <EdePopede> even if they do, they may not see a
context.
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2933 [21:37:54] <GenTooMan> Ok not so silly a question, I would
like my OS to support my next MB, so does debian keep a HW
compatibility list that is current? The last time I upgraded my
system it was heck to install because of incompatibility with
drivers and support. Or is there somewhere I can ask even?
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2953 [21:49:29] <NetTerminalGene> GenTooMan, it depends on your mb
date i think. you can also update kernel from backports
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2956 [21:51:38] <GenTooMan> NetTerminalGene Oh ... is there a way
to ascertain what that date is, from what version of debian one is
using? I'm running stretch 9.9 currently.
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2959 [21:52:11] <NetTerminalGene> GenTooMan, what is your mobo
model
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2963 [21:53:13] <NetTerminalGene> just search your mobo model and
add linux as keyword
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2965 [21:53:31] <NetTerminalGene> and debian
2966 [21:53:41] <NetTerminalGene> i did like that
2967 [21:53:46] <NetTerminalGene> and using it now
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2980 [22:03:27] <GenTooMan> NetTerminalGene it appears the thermal
sensors are barely supported. I noticed that debian doesn't
support my OLD CPU thermal sensor (although it should as the bios
works with reading them).
2981 [22:03:28] <Chunkyz> now RaspberryPi have released Debian
Buster (10) for their Pi's - when can we expect x86/64?
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2983 [22:04:34] <GenTooMan> Ummm buster is likely still in
testing, and Raspian has poor support for the PI 4 so it's not
ready either.
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2985 [22:05:00] <bittin__> Debian meeting in
#debconf,#debconf-team and #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net now
2986 [22:05:15] <greycat> if someone told you that they have
"released Debian 10 for ..." they are lying to you
2987 [22:05:53] <bittin__> greycat: i know thats in a couple of
more weeks
2988 [22:05:55] <karlpinc> So I've a new box that I'm
installing debian on and want to poke around and see the hardware
from the installer's rescue mode. I've (PXE) booted and
have a rescue shell (busybox). This is supposed to have 4G of flash
on it, but I'm not sure how to see it. (I see the 16G SATA
SSD.) Where should I be looking?
2989 [22:05:58] <bittin__> or weekend next week
2990 [22:06:00] <bittin__> *
2991 [22:06:04] <bittin__> 6th July
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3015 [22:31:47] <zojka> has somebody experince set NGINX as proxy
with(Apache, Puma) behind the Nginx?
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3027 [22:37:36] <CaCO3> join/irc.oftc.net
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3047 [22:51:16] <rwp> zojka, Yes. Nginx is an excellent frontend
proxy to backends and Apache is one such possible backend. I am not
using Puma however. I am using Unicorn. Works excellently.
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3051 [22:52:47] <zojka> rwp: I would like to get this model work:
replaced-url
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3055 [22:53:22] <rwp> Sure. Should work great.
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3057 [22:53:56] <rwp> The only practical problems are if the
backend requires to be at root (URL "/") of the web
namespace. But that isn't an Nginx problem.
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3060 [22:54:32] <zojka> rwp: I would like: in a way that:
replaced-url
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3062 [22:55:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmmmm
3063 [22:55:44] <rwp> For example I do that with redmine.
replaced-url
3064 [22:56:06] <Psi-Jack> I'd more or less remove Apache
from that picture, and replace the frontend with haproxy to both
handle queuing up of connections as needed to pass on, health
checks, and failover options, while using nginx with php-fpm for the
PHP applications, and puma or unicorn for the ... Well, I'd
drop the RoR entirely but that's me. ;)
3065 [22:56:18] <rwp> If you have a specific problem then perhaps
one of #nginx or #puma is where more expertise is located.
3066 [22:56:51] <ctcx> Pretending to "make" a multiboot
USB the manual way: make due partitions, install grub for both
legacy and uefi, copy ISOs, edit grub.cfg with due menuentries for
each ISO. Just one doubt: if using grub2-install on Debian, will USB
be able to boot on secure boot?
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3068 [22:57:25] <rwp> haproxy is fine. nginx is fine. Meanwhile...
I haven't heard of any actual problem or question being asked.
Just someone wanting confidence that it should work.
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3071 [22:58:53] <rwp> I agree about removing apache from the
picture. It's rather a resource hog.
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3073 [22:59:45] <Psi-Jack> It just depends on how you use Apache,
really. Most people do it wrong with PHP though. ;)
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3075 [23:00:28] <rwp> I also would recommend php-fpm for php too.
Have nginx serve all of the static assets in front of it.
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3077 [23:00:52] <Psi-Jack> One thing haproxy CAN do though that
nginx/apache doesn't do, is, if the backend is full up on
connections already, haproxy can hold on a little longer, keeping
the connection open, and passing it through once it can, preventing
timeouts or CPU overload.
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3082 [23:02:00] <rwp> haproxy is definitely better. But I think it
is okay to start with nginx which is also very good at what it does.
And frankly if people are having problems with nginx proxying to a
backend then they will only be more over their head with haproxy.
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3091 [23:07:10] <Psi-Jack> My thinking is the opposite. Learn to
do things better and optimal, before doing it suboptimal. :)
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3125 [23:32:56] <juko> hi
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3168 [23:58:28] <lope> how can I tell what device to use in the
command zpool online -e foo <device>
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