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• 1[00:00:32] <Brigo> sparky4, i would start with syslog, if nothing there Xorg.0.log and then kernel.log
• 2[00:02:49] <JordiGH> What's going on with virtualbox on stable?
• 3[00:03:02] <greycat> !virtualbox
• 4[00:03:03] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is <virtualization> software. Not in buster and unlikely to be in any future debian stable releases due to #794466. Unofficial backports are available as well as 3rd party packages from Oracle, see replaced-url
• 5[00:03:27] <JordiGH> !virt-manager
• 6[00:03:28] <dpkg> Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) is a desktop user interface for managing the linux Kernel Virtual Machine (KVM) as well as Xen VMs and LXC, with very similar functionality to <virtualbox>. replaced-url
• 7[00:03:41] <JordiGH> Oh, can it use the same images?
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• 10[00:04:18] <sparky4> zandronum is not laggy just daikatana and sauerbraten
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• 15[00:06:00] <jhutchins> sparky4: There are a lot of performance monitoring tools to tell you what components which parts of a program are using too highly. Top, atop, sysstat, etc.
• 16[00:06:22] <jhutchins> sparky4: You might also see something in dmesg
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• 18[00:06:47] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: replaced-url
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• 20[00:07:33] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: there's also virt-convert(1) in the virtinst package
• 21[00:07:44] <jhutchins> sparky4: You should also probably check out the support channels for those games and see if there's some known issue.
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• 23[00:07:51] <jhutchins> sparky4: Why can't you upgrade?
• 24[00:07:58] <zerocool> i support kvm+qemu\libvirt over vbox
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• 26[00:08:05] <sparky4> jhutchins: !! Nvidia 304 driver is required for my computer
• 27[00:08:34] <jhutchins> sparky4: So install it.
• 28[00:08:35] <JordiGH> Hm, so what's the quickest way to get a VM?
• 29[00:08:47] <sparky4> jhutchins: it is not in the newer versions except SID
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• 32[00:09:51] <jhutchins> sparky4: So backport it or use the nvidia package.
• 33[00:10:06] <zerocool> JordiGH: replaced-url
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• 35[00:10:33] <sparky4> jhutchins: how do i backport it? and i dont know if it works and i dont want to risk breaking my main computer
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• 37[00:10:46] <sparky4> i need a nother terrabyte HDD
• 38[00:10:56] <JordiGH> zerocool: tl;dr :-(((((
• 39[00:11:05] <zerocool> JordiGH: it's super easy bruh
• 40[00:11:10] <zerocool> `apt-get install qemu-system libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon-system virt-manager`
• 41[00:11:20] <jmcnaught> That version of the NVIDIA driver might not be compatible with the version of Xorg in buster, I would check before upgrading
• 42[00:11:35] <sparky4> i tried. it's not
• 43[00:11:55] <zerocool> sudo adduser JordiGH libvirt
• 44[00:12:10] <zerocool> open virt-manager connect to localhost
• 45[00:12:32] <zerocool> i think virt-manager's gui name is "Virtual Machine Manager"
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• 52[00:17:02] <zerocool> JordiGH: you should make sure hardware virtualization is enabled in uefi/bios when you get a chance
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• 54[00:17:25] <JordiGH> Yeah, it's enabled.
• 55[00:17:32] <JordiGH> idgi, where does the image come from?
• 56[00:17:44] <JordiGH> What am I going to virtualise?
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• 58[00:17:48] <zerocool> JordiGH: what "image" are you looking for?
• 59[00:18:01] <zerocool> JordiGH: that's up to you, what do you want to virtualize.
• 60[00:18:42] <JordiGH> Right, i want to download something to virtualise.
• 61[00:18:59] <zerocool> Windows, Linux, MacOS?
• 62[00:19:05] <JordiGH> Loonix. Ubuntu, I guess.
• 63[00:19:15] <zerocool> So download Ubuntu ISO
• 64[00:19:22] <sparky4> sigh
• 65[00:19:23] <JordiGH> I have to run the Ubuntu install?
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• 67[00:19:43] <JordiGH> There aren't kvm images like with virtual box that I can just download with the installation already done?
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• 69[00:19:48] <zerocool> you can run the live image if you please
• 70[00:20:03] <JordiGH> Okay, so people don't just distribute images like they do with virtualbox.
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• 72[00:20:39] <koollman> JordiGH: some people do
• 73[00:20:54] <zerocool> you can probably convert the vbox images to kvm. iirc the images you're talking about are literally zips that contain configs and disks
• 74[00:21:29] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 75[00:22:31] <zerocool> kvm+qemu\libvirt is basically what the cloud runs on so im sure there are images but you're not going to find plan9-with-squirrel-wallpaperOS
• 76[00:22:44] <JordiGH> replaced-url
• 77[00:22:46] <JordiGH> ;_;
• 78[00:22:50] <JordiGH> Do I need virtualbox anyway?
• 79[00:23:35] <jmcnaught> ,i vagrant-libvirt
• 80[00:23:38] <judd> Package vagrant-libvirt (ruby, optional) in buster/amd64: Vagrant plugin that adds an Libvirt provider to Vagrant. Version: 0.0.45-2; Size: 65.8k; Installed: 286k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 81[00:23:47] <zerocool> lol
• 82[00:23:49] <JordiGH> lol
• 83[00:23:56] <zerocool> JordiGH: is today your first day
• 84[00:24:03] <JordiGH> Oh, maybe this one. replaced-url
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• 87[00:24:28] <JordiGH> zerocool: Every hour is amateur hour.
• 88[00:24:43] <zerocool> haha, nice.
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• 92[00:28:00] <zerocool> eh, it's a good place to be.
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• 142[00:55:29] <JordiGH> Hm, there's no way to talk to a VM if I do `iptables -P INPUT DROP`, is there?
• 143[00:55:34] <JordiGH> Inside the VM, of course.
• 144[00:55:43] <JordiGH> That's kind of funny.
• 145[00:56:22] <sney> some hypervisors have a serial console or vnc built in, in case you break direct network access
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• 192[01:58:09] <sigNeon> what kernel comes with testing?
• 193[01:58:14] <sigNeon> 5.9?
• 194[02:00:20] <quadrathoch2> sigNeon for now yes
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• 196[02:01:01] <budlight> i think its 5
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• 201[02:02:54] <sigNeon> I'm hoping it has support for a rtl8821ce wireless card
• 202[02:03:35] <quadrathoch2> try it. if it doesn't, bullseye will run 5.10, so there is a 'last chance' kernel version after 5.9 :)
• 203[02:03:47] <sigNeon> heh
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• 205[02:04:00] <sigNeon> yeah was hoping to get it on this laptop
• 206[02:05:30] <sponix> sney: you got a few minutes ?
• 207[02:05:46] <sney> I'm here, what's up
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• 210[02:07:06] <sponix> sney: well, got 2 things going on.. one Plex broke on me, kicks out an error when systemd attempts to start it. And another is I attempted to make a systemd file for rtorrent, and I think that is what is hanging me on boot _forever_
• 211[02:07:38] <sponix> getting ready to test boot without the rtorrent systemd thing I made in there, see if the rig comes up with it removed
• 212[02:08:00] <sponix> BRB
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• 214[02:08:43] <sney> sigNeon: the rtl8821ce driver hasn't been added to mainline linux yet, so debian still won't distribute it until that happens. afaik the driver from github works.
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• 219[02:12:23] <sponix> damn
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• 223[02:13:17] <sorcerer> sigNeon: that wireless works in bullseye, i have hardware issues with mine and current debian also
• 224[02:13:47] <sorcerer> i think mines the same wifi as yours
• 225[02:14:02] <sney> sorcerer: are you sure it's that one and not a different rtl88xx model? what module is loaded if you look at 'lspci -k'?
• 226[02:14:41] <sorcerer> 8822ce
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• 228[02:16:14] <sorcerer> okay so even though bullseye works on that laptop as to where buster didnt, i got a distro on there that uses buster but added the hardware support i needed, i wanna say what it was it but i dont wanna get jumped by everyone lmfao
• 229[02:16:15] <sney> ah, they built it into rtw88
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• 232[02:16:59] <sney> sigNeon: rtw88_8821ce is included with the 5.9 kernel in bullseye, so your nic should work after all
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• 234[02:17:43] <sorcerer> ya mine worked instantly using a bullseye livecd
• 235[02:18:04] <sney> 8822ce and 8821ce are still separate modules
• 236[02:18:05] <sigNeon> ok
• 237[02:18:05] <sorcerer> buster install wouldnt see my wifi, touchpad or graphics
• 238[02:18:27] <sney> sponix: as for your service issues, if you want help you know you'll need to pastebin some logs
• 239[02:18:33] <sigNeon> is there a bullseye testing livecd?
• 240[02:18:50] <sney> bullseye and testing are the same thing. and yes.
• 241[02:18:58] <sorcerer> sec ill get you the link from the debian network
• 242[02:19:17] <sney> replaced-url
• 243[02:19:26] <sorcerer> quick on the trigger
• 244[02:19:28] <sorcerer> lol
• 245[02:20:11] <sney> it was in my browser history
• 246[02:20:23] <sorcerer> but yea i used the live cd for bullseye to see if my hardware all worked first
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• 249[02:21:24] <sponix> sney: Yeah, I'm going to just let you focus on helping others. I can't even get the system to boot back up with systemd anymore LOL
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• 252[02:22:10] <sney> I think there are some systemd tricks where you can disable a unit from the kernel command line
• 253[02:22:14] <sney> haven't tried though
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• 259[02:32:19] <sponix> sney: it was weird, it started off with a plex update coming in, and it failed to install properly, something about the process failing to start up cleanly
• 260[02:33:07] <sponix> sney: I rolled back to the prior installed version of Plex for a moment, and it was working. But after toggling back and forth a few times attempting to find out the difference of what was breaking -- the older version then refused to start also after a while
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• 279[03:07:17] <asterismo> hi, i'm having an isuse when trying to suspend the PC, it suspends, but when resume, i see glitched graphics and the system freezes
• 280[03:07:23] <asterismo> how can i troubleshoot this?
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• 282[03:08:16] <jmcnaught> Look at logs for when it happened. /var/log/syslog, journalctl, Xorg.0.log, ~/.xsession-errors
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• 291[03:19:25] <pfred1> why suspend?
• 292[03:19:56] <pfred1> Linux idles well enough
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• 298[03:27:04] <asterismo> pfred1, this is an old PC
• 299[03:27:17] <asterismo> this is the last log before suspend and hang
• 300[03:27:19] <asterismo> replaced-url
• 301[03:27:25] <asterismo> jmcnaught,
• 302[03:28:11] <asterismo> next line is kernel 0.00000 of the system booting
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• 304[03:28:27] <pfred1> asterismo I've run Linux on some pretty old PCs back when they were new even
• 305[03:28:55] <sney> is it an "old pc" because it's a core i3 from 2010, or because it's actually pre-modern hardware? this is also relevant to troubleshooting suspend
• 306[03:29:21] <asterismo> it is a Dell Precision 530MT, year 2001
• 307[03:29:28] <pfred1> my file server is an i3 from 2009
• 308[03:29:34] <asterismo> 2GB of RDRAM, Dual Xeon PIV
• 309[03:29:54] <sney> asterismo: alright, that is genuinely old. do you know if suspend is using acpi or apm?
• 310[03:29:58] <asterismo> it is a great PC, it handles Debian 10 very well, although 32-bit only
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• 312[03:30:20] <jmcnaught> asterismo: your paste does not work for me, can you use replaced-url
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• 314[03:30:31] <asterismo> It used to suspend fine and resume in Debian 7, that it was the debian version before buster
• 315[03:30:32] <sney> jmcnaught: there isn't anything in it anyway
• 316[03:30:42] <jmcnaught> ok never mind
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• 319[03:31:21] <asterismo> jmcnaught, replaced-url
• 320[03:31:36] <asterismo> now?
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• 323[03:34:24] <asterismo> i understand that suspend/hibernate is handeled now by systemd, not pm-utils
• 324[03:34:41] <asterismo> the system chipset is Intel 82860
• 325[03:35:35] <asterismo> sney, suspend is more quiet, fans stop, disk stop, power goes down... idle is not enough
• 326[03:36:02] <sney> I'm not the one arguing against it.
• 327[03:36:04] <asterismo> this CPU has no frequency stepping... no
• 328[03:36:09] <jmcnaught> Does hibernate work?
• 329[03:36:23] <asterismo> yeah, idling is what i do in newer PCs
• 330[03:36:49] <asterismo> jmcnaught, no, both suspend and hibernate not working
• 331[03:37:22] <asterismo> there is no fancy video, generic nvidia video
• 332[03:37:33] <asterismo> nvidia rage tnt2 with 32MB of ram
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• 334[03:37:50] <asterismo> whatch out
• 335[03:38:01] <asterismo> almost VR ready
• 336[03:38:04] <asterismo> lol
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• 338[03:38:43] <asterismo> maybe a grub line? blacklist some module?
• 339[03:39:10] <asterismo> i could change the video card, i have a couple and see if it is video
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• 341[03:40:17] <asterismo> when trying to resume, it reaches to display desktop (wallpaper and taskbar LXDE) and there are points, like some render issue, in vertical bars
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• 343[03:40:23] <sney> 10 minutes ago, I asked if you know if it uses acpi or apm to suspend. because in the old days, apm was known to sometimes lock up the system on resume.
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• 345[03:40:24] <asterismo> i could take a picture
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• 347[03:40:48] <asterismo> sney, how do i check that? i missed the question sorry
• 348[03:41:13] <asterismo> in BIOS?
• 349[03:41:34] <sney> it'll be in dmesg, and there may be something at /proc/apm
• 350[03:41:43] <sney> and bios, probably. though who knows what dell keeps private.
• 351[03:42:21] <asterismo> dmesg | grep apm shows nothing
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• 353[03:42:32] <asterismo> dmesg | grep acpi shows some stuff
• 354[03:42:44] <sney> alright, acpi then.
• 355[03:42:53] <asterismo> replaced-url
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• 358[03:45:58] <sney> asterismo: when the system is 'frozen' can you ping it from another machine? can you ssh in?
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• 361[03:47:23] <asterismo> i'll try next time
• 362[03:47:43] <asterismo> but i tried ctrl-alt-f1 and not responded
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• 366[03:51:37] <sponix> sney: are they on a Nvidia 900 series GPU with Nvidia 455.45.1 ? :)
• 367[03:52:11] <sney> about 18 years older than that, I think
• 368[03:52:22] <sponix> oh
• 369[03:52:44] <sney> some p4 xeon with a tnt2. and rambus!
• 370[03:52:54] <sponix> Ouch
• 371[03:53:13] <sponix> and here I was setting here thinking my hardware was Legacy lol
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• 375[03:55:26] <sney> I've never had anything last that long. but if I did, I'd still be using it
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• 380[03:58:48] <sponix> sney: Yeah.. That is the way I am with this X99 Rig. I put like 2.5K into it to start with, so just feel obligated to run it until the wheels fall off
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• 382[03:59:37] <asterismo> this workstation is a beauty
• 383[03:59:48] <asterismo> ECC Rambus
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• 385[04:00:08] <asterismo> think about 2GB in 2001, my god
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• 387[04:01:31] <sney> I remember
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• 390[04:02:07] <sponix> when I was at college in 2001, my computer had 80 MB or Ram -- and I thought I was on top of the world with that :)
• 391[04:02:21] <sney> my newest machine was made in 2014. maybe I should catch up slightly. eh, I'm moving in a few months, I'll do it after
• 392[04:02:27] <sponix> two P2 chips that Slotted in
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• 399[04:09:12] <sponix> sney: so no virtual machines for you ?
• 400[04:09:44] <sney> 2012 hardware can virtualize no problem
• 401[04:10:15] <sponix> Oh 2014, I read 2004 for some reason
• 402[04:10:38] <sponix> Hell my Rig is like 2015 or so
• 403[04:10:52] * sponix goes to check pcpartpicker
• 404[04:11:36] <asterismo> i run windows 2k in my old PC to play civilization and heroes iii
• 405[04:12:13] * asterismo lol
• 406[04:14:10] <sponix> The only game that ever drew me in was Street Fighter 2
• 407[04:14:29] <sponix> I try to play Street Fighter 5 now. But I just can't keep up
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• 412[04:25:56] <pfred1> that's the thing about PCs they just keep getting older
• 413[04:26:17] <pfred1> in a few years they're old
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• 415[04:26:46] <pfred1> I ain't upgrading for another 5 years though!
• 416[04:29:37] <asterismo> yeah, but this one is an instant-hardware-conversation
• 417[04:29:52] <asterismo> almost 20years old
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• 457[05:33:46] <jak2000> how to copy files from directory1 to directory2 but only files that not exist on destination
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• 460[05:36:02] <acheam> cp -n?
• 461[05:36:03] <palimaar> Something like `test -f $destination || cp $source $destination` ..?
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• 467[05:48:25] <jak2000> thx
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• 527[07:17:13] <alex11> can you delete all the subdirectories of /usr/local and then install something and have it populate those directories again? i want to do some cleanup
• 528[07:18:32] <sponix2ipfw> alex11: that is possible
• 529[07:24:07] <alex11> well i shouldn't delete the top level directories
• 530[07:24:19] <alex11> i'll just delete the subdirectories, idk
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• 534[07:32:09] <sponix2ipfw> ,v Nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 535[07:32:11] <judd> No package named 'Nvidia-kernel-dkms' was found in amd64.
• 536[07:33:06] <sponix2ipfw> ,v nvidia-driver
• 537[07:33:08] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.152.00-1; buster-backports/non-free: 450.80.02-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 450.80.02-1; sid/non-free: 450.80.02-1; experimental/non-free: 455.45.01-1
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• 548[07:50:45] <alex11> ok nvm got it figured out
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• 723[11:18:42] <rob_jones> is there a way to track why my vsftpd isnt connecting?
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• 725[11:19:43] <nevivurn> rob_jones: what do you see?
• 726[11:20:46] <rob_jones> Error: Connection timed out after 20 seconds of inactivity
• 727[11:21:05] <nevivurn> From the client?
• 728[11:21:08] <rob_jones> yes
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• 730[11:22:07] <nevivurn> Have you checked for network issues / whether the machine is actually up / whether the ftp server is actually up?
• 731[11:23:05] <rob_jones> its my server and it is all setup
• 732[11:23:10] <rob_jones> i can ssh in on my main acc
• 733[11:23:40] <nevivurn> hm, on the remote server, can you do something like `ss -tln | grep 21` ?
• 734[11:24:02] <nevivurn> Replace "ss" with "netstat" if you don't have "ss".
• 735[11:25:06] <rob_jones> ss returned nothing
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• 738[11:25:26] <nevivurn> Huh, are you sure your FTP server is up?
• 739[11:25:33] <rob_jones> oh minor point
• 740[11:25:35] <rob_jones> im using sftp
• 741[11:25:38] <rob_jones> port 22
• 742[11:25:59] <nevivurn> Ah, FTP and SFTP are completely different protocols.
• 743[11:26:02] <rob_jones> LISTEN 0 128 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:*
• 744[11:26:18] <rob_jones> and im connecting on filezilla to port 22
• 745[11:27:38] <nevivurn> I'm pretty sure filezilla has sftp support, can you share your connection config (make sure to hide credentials and such)
• 746[11:27:55] <nevivurn> And if you're able to connect to the server over ssh, it's most likely not a network issue.
• 747[11:28:31] <rob_jones> is there a setting in sshd_config to only allow keyfile logins?
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• 749[11:28:58] <rob_jones> thats the only difference i can think of between the accounts, one is password the other is keyfile
• 750[11:30:15] <nevivurn> yes, you can only allow public key authentication on the sshd.
• 751[11:30:38] <nevivurn> But I just read your first message about the error message, it says that it disconnected after inactivity, not a timeout.
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• 753[11:31:35] <nevivurn> Maybe that means that it connected fine, it just disconnected after 20 seconds of you not telling it to do anything?
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• 755[11:32:05] <rob_jones> it doesnt connect at all
• 756[11:32:10] <rob_jones> but my rob account does
• 757[11:32:14] <rob_jones> with keyfile
• 758[11:32:22] <themill> are you sure that you're telling filezilla to use sftp?
• 759[11:32:29] <rob_jones> yes
• 760[11:32:32] <rob_jones> sftp://
• 761[11:32:44] <themill> ok; I ask because I've played this game before
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• 764[11:38:00] <rob_jones> i think i found the issue
• 765[11:38:33] <rob_jones> ChrootDirectory %h
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• 771[11:47:16] <rob_jones> any sftp logs i can use?
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• 850[13:20:28] <rgr> I'm in a mess with (surprise) pulseaudio. Just where should a clean debian stable be starting it? form /etc/systemd/user/default.targets?
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• 854[13:24:14] <rgr> and mpre to the point should it be starting for something like i3? etc/systemd/user/default.target.wants has a symliink to pulseaudio.socket but running any pulse app like pavucontrol fails.
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• 863[13:31:14] <jmd> I'm trying to set up a VPN client. "ipsec up <name>" seems to work fine. But I don't see any virtual interface. Does anyone know how to do this?
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• 976[15:29:51] <asterismo> hi jmcgnh sney
• 977[15:30:31] <asterismo> i finaly tested and after resume/hang, i cannet ping the PC from lan
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• 979[15:31:18] <asterismo> i also changed the suspend from S3 to S1 and it does not even get to suspend. All previous tests, was set on S3 suspend mode
• 980[15:31:48] <asterismo> maybe some hardware, pci card or usb plugged in that is preventing to suspend?
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• 1049[16:39:28] <jhutchins> asterismo: Implementation of syspend/hibernate has very loose standards and will sometimees only work with software provided by the manufacturer.
• 1050[16:40:22] <smashgrab> I'm trying to install debian stable on a dell xps 8940 with intel graphics. Seems to install ok and boot okay but display manager does not start. Just a single cursor on a black screen. I've tried a few suggestions I found online to no avail. Any idea what problem could be or how to troubleshoot?
• 1051[16:40:57] <asterismo> it worked fine in Debian 7
• 1052[16:41:41] <jhutchins> smashgrab: Boot to console/multi-user mode and look at the logs.
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• 1054[16:43:00] <smashgrab> ok, I'll see if I can get some more specific information.
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• 1076[17:01:49] <smashgrab> The most relevant message I got from the logs seems to be "gnome-shell: failed to create backend could not find a primary drm kms device" Will keep trying, any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.
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• 1080[17:07:06] <jhutchins> smashgrab: That sounds like the KMS kernel module isn't loading, probably because it doesn't recognize your chipset.
• 1081[17:08:25] <smashgrab> jhutchins: Thanks. I found some info that I might need to install a kernel from backports. Going to see if that is still relevant and give that a try.
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• 1131[18:08:14] <dka> I have an issue with a running docker container, for some reason, and without a restart, my WWAN device switch from `/dev/ttyUSB0` to `/dev/ttyUSB1`, this cause my mounted device to point to an existing location. How can I avoid this to happen? I am running on Debian buster.
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• 1134[18:09:30] <petn-randall> dka: You can probably avoid that by using udev rules, but I don't quite understand how the name change affected your docker container.
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• 1136[18:11:03] <dka> I mount the device, so if the device mounted is not existing, my container can't communicate with it
• 1137[18:11:19] <dka> I use --device /dev/ttyUSB0:/dev/mobile, it can only work if /dev/ttyUSB0 exist on my system
• 1138[18:11:42] <dka> can you help me get setup with udev rule ? It's the second time I am trying to understand how to configure that
• 1139[18:11:51] <dka> I have not phisically access to the host, only through ssh
• 1140[18:13:18] <jhutchins> dka: Is the content on the device consistent? You could mount by UUID instead of by device.
• 1141[18:13:47] <dka> jhutchins, what do you mean consistent ?
• 1142[18:14:29] <dka> it's this device: replaced-url
• 1143[18:14:50] <dka> It has a microSD and a Sim card, to use the sim card, I need to run a command to switch to modem at every reboot
• 1144[18:14:52] <genr8_> it probably resets itself
• 1145[18:14:58] <dka> Does it makes it inconsistent
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• 1147[18:15:22] <dka> yes maybe genr8_ , it's stay in modem mode but the UUID change and that's killing my sms service
• 1148[18:15:42] <genr8_> the UUID changing indicates its detected as a new device
• 1149[18:16:29] <genr8_> it probably resets, comes back before the old one is timed out, the computer now sees 2, and makes a 2nd entry
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• 1153[18:19:01] <sponix2ipfw> ,v nvidia-driver
• 1154[18:19:03] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.152.00-1; buster-backports/non-free: 450.80.02-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 450.80.02-1; sid/non-free: 450.80.02-1; experimental/non-free: 455.45.01-1
• 1155[18:19:57] <dka> genr8_, ok, can anyone here help me fix it please?
• 1156[18:20:26] <dka> I don't mind if it use /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1, I just need it to stay the same and never change
• 1157[18:20:44] <dka> Perhaps it's not possible after a reset?
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• 1160[18:21:16] <genr8_> i dont know, sorry
• 1161[18:22:36] <quadrathoch2> first we should figure out if the UUID is always random or it just has 2 or sth
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• 1165[18:24:36] <sponix2ipfw> dka: udev rule is likely required for that
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• 1169[18:27:31] <jhutchins> dka: Are you essentially using a USB modem as an sd card reader?
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• 1172[18:28:23] <dka> I am using only the USB modems and I am not using the sd CARD reader at all
• 1173[18:28:44] <dka> the SD card reader is the default, I am switching after reboot to USB modem using usb_modswitch
• 1174[18:28:46] <jhutchins> Containers can be good development tools, but the answer to most container problems is "don't use a container for that".
• 1175[18:29:04] <dka> jhutchins, container or not, gammu needs to know about the proper device
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• 1177[18:29:42] <brm_> Hi, hope i'm can ask in here - currently using debian buster 10.6 kde with install backport package wireguard-tools to connect to wireguard vpn, but not working - i use wg-quick /path/laptop.conf (the output works fine) , any input regarding this ?
• 1178[18:29:50] <dka> This is not related to the container nor the program, it's related to the USB device switching /dev/tty during it's lifetime
• 1179[18:30:07] <sponix2ipfw> dka: replaced-url
• 1180[18:30:22] <dka> thanks, I am reading it, coming back if I get lost
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• 1183[18:30:30] <sponix2ipfw> dka: my Google search: udev specific usb modem
• 1184[18:30:41] <sponix2ipfw> alright, hope that helps
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• 1187[18:34:17] <dka> replaced-url
• 1188[18:34:31] <dka> How can I identify my variable and test it ?
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• 1195[18:36:03] <dka> this file does not exist, I create it /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules ? someone use 99-usb-serial.rules instead of it
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• 1199[18:37:32] <dka> I have two idProduct and iVendor, I am using the Qualcomm
• 1200[18:37:40] <dka> This is what I have: SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="05c6", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6000", SYMLINK+="your_device_name"
• 1201[18:37:47] <dka> How do I defin the /dev/tty to use ?
• 1202[18:37:55] <dka> can my SYMLINK+= use any name >?
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• 1204[18:40:39] <dka> replaced-url
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• 1206[18:41:21] <dka> So I added a device name, smsdevice, and reallized it was not a so good name so i changed it, rerun sudo udevadm trigger , now I have two udev rule for a same device, and they point to a different ttyUSB ... => replaced-url
• 1207[18:41:26] <dka> So I added a device name, smsdevice, and reallized it was not a so good name so i changed it, rerun sudo udevadm trigger , now I have two udev rule for a same device, and they point to a different ttyUSB ... => replaced-url
• 1208[18:41:29] <dka> Sorry
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• 1252[19:19:39] <NetTerminalGene> suse stable gets security updates faster than debian buster?
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• 1258[19:22:15] <alex11> i don't know about suse
• 1259[19:22:22] <alex11> but buster gets security fixes pretty quickly
• 1260[19:22:30] <alex11> well, debian stable
• 1261[19:22:36] <alex11> whatever is stable at the time
• 1262[19:23:04] <alex11> so does sid (but not by the security team; it tends to happen on new releases); testing is the one with a delay
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• 1268[19:27:01] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: Yes, no, maybe? What kind of answer are you looking for?
• 1269[19:27:49] <NetTerminalGene> yes or no
• 1270[19:28:30] <gnat_x> i'm going with the trusty "it depends"
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• 1276[19:32:45] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: Probably not comparable, as both projects have vastly different amount of packages. So it depends on what other parameters you define.
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• 1278[19:33:25] <petn-randall> Number of CVEs fixed, percentage of open CVEs fixed, do you want to weight more critical CVEs higher, etc etc.
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• 1280[19:34:32] <petn-randall> Finding a conclusive answer to that question is probably worth a research paper in itself.
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• 1282[19:35:21] <petn-randall> So as a true Asimov fan I'll go with "INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER".
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• 1324[20:12:29] <unixbsd> A little question about UEFI and Future of Debian, how to install it when BIOS gives no chances any longer to install it, i.e. no legacy just UEFI and secured boot? replaced-url
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• 1327[20:13:51] <manu1511> what do i've to do if my pc doesn't find the bootable usb drive?
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• 1329[20:14:11] <manu1511> trying to boot from usb to install 32 bit debian 10 xfce
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• 1332[20:15:32] <unixbsd> you can try this hybrid -iso, it is highly robust to boot: "replaced-url
• 1333[20:15:34] <jmcnaught> unixbsd: Debian has supported UEFI for a while, and Debian 10 supports SecureBoot.
• 1334[20:16:02] <unixbsd> it seems that intel and MS work together to leave not chance any longer in future... we know the plans.
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• 1337[20:17:27] <sney> manu1511: how did you write the image to the usb? some tools are incompatible, for instance rufus is known to corrupt the image
• 1338[20:17:56] <manu1511> sney: i've used `dd`
• 1339[20:17:58] <unixbsd> cat "image-what-linux-hybrid.iso" > /dev/sda <-- adapt accordingly.
• 1340[20:18:08] <manu1511> cat also works? O_o
• 1341[20:18:11] <sney> manu1511: did you sync afterwards?
• 1342[20:18:21] <sney> yes, and cp too, they are pretty equivalent
• 1343[20:18:38] <manu1511> this was the command: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M status=progress oflag=sync
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• 1346[20:19:22] <manu1511> it is a very old pc with pentium 4 cpu and 512mb ram
• 1347[20:19:29] <manu1511> gericom frontman perf4mance
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• 1349[20:19:50] <sney> do you know for sure that it supports usb booting? that's on the early side
• 1350[20:20:09] <unixbsd> cat is universal, it works better on bsd for sure. likely offer closer copy. dd is more tweaking
• 1351[20:20:19] <manu1511> sney: i think so, at least it appears in the bios settings to be able to choose to boot from usb
• 1352[20:20:49] <manu1511> don't know if i can get a debian cd near me
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• 1354[20:21:14] <sney> alright, well try writing the usb again, and run a separate 'sync' after the dd is finished, before you unplug it. and maybe try a different usb stick, to be sure.
• 1355[20:21:23] <sney> but early usb 1.1 booting on a p4 system might just be buggy, too
• 1356[20:21:38] <manu1511> it is usb2 afaik
• 1357[20:21:46] <manu1511> thanks i try...
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• 1359[20:22:07] <sney> if you can connect the hard drive to a different pc, you could debootstrap the install and then swap it back over
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• 1362[20:22:16] <jmcnaught> Does the system still have a CD-ROM drive? Can you burn a CD?
• 1363[20:22:42] <unixbsd> For instance : wget -c replaced-url
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• 1365[20:23:42] <H-var> what's cd-rom?
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• 1367[20:24:19] <manu1511> jmcnaught: it has, but i can't burn
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• 1369[20:24:45] <manu1511> i'm going to try mint stick
• 1370[20:25:00] <unixbsd> the problem of the grub2 of debian is that it is not always necessarily booting well on all machines. grub2 is fine and cool. try slack to study your bios boot.
• 1371[20:25:23] <manu1511> never used slack, am scared ;/
• 1372[20:25:36] <unixbsd> you can ;)
• 1373[20:26:20] <manu1511> i know how to run archlinux but slack sounds like a dinosaur :D
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• 1375[20:28:01] <unixbsd> slackware is indeed a fast, slack dinosaur ;)
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• 1379[20:29:11] <mason> Slackware is fine. It was my first native-root-ZFS system and it was fairly easy to implement that.
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• 1381[20:29:55] <sney> the installer bootloader is syslinux, not grub. so any weird grub problems are not relevant when booting the installer.
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• 1383[20:30:33] <manu1511> sney: i've also tried archlilnux 32 bit, which uses syslinux too i think
• 1384[20:30:56] <sney> most installers use syslinux, it's pretty standard for that
• 1385[20:31:02] <unixbsd> syslinux + grub2 rocks, slackware would boot a toaster
• 1386[20:31:15] <unixbsd> lilo is too possible workaround
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• 1389[20:31:48] <CrystalMath> i use LILO
• 1390[20:31:54] <CrystalMath> on all machines now
• 1391[20:31:56] <CrystalMath> :)
• 1392[20:31:59] <sney> I used slackware and lilo, too. in 2004. :P
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• 1394[20:32:05] <CrystalMath> it's better than grub
• 1395[20:32:12] <manu1511> what is lilo?
• 1396[20:32:18] <CrystalMath> a bootloader
• 1397[20:32:20] <abff> last in last out
• 1398[20:32:22] <CrystalMath> also, the name of the founder of freenode
• 1399[20:32:23] <manu1511> lol
• 1400[20:32:24] <sney> legacy bootloader, linux loader
• 1401[20:32:37] <unixbsd> I use the netbsd grub2, for a reliable boot on my AMD tower. Netbsd is very cool to boot the crappy hw.
• 1402[20:32:37] <CrystalMath> i don't see why it's legacy
• 1403[20:32:41] <CrystalMath> it's still maintained
• 1404[20:32:42] <manu1511> maybe i just try an older debian version then...
• 1405[20:32:52] <CrystalMath> the machine i'm on now
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• 1407[20:32:58] <CrystalMath> is debian with lilo
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• 1409[20:33:26] <sney> manu1511: did you try writing the iso again? it's unlikely that you'll need to go this far into the weeds, with hardware that can boot from usb
• 1410[20:33:28] <CrystalMath> i kicked GRUB out, i'm tired of its regressions that make non-EFI worse
• 1411[20:33:36] <sney> and besides, syslinux with debian 9 is going to be the same anyway
• 1412[20:33:53] <unixbsd> try netbsd grub it is really working great
• 1413[20:34:14] <CrystalMath> meh, i prefer the LInux LOader
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• 1415[20:34:31] <CrystalMath> i don't miss GRUB2
• 1416[20:34:36] <CrystalMath> occasionally i miss GRUB1
• 1417[20:34:42] <CrystalMath> and sometimes i miss IO.SYS
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• 1419[20:34:52] <unixbsd> ah ah DSL had 0,94 grub ;)
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• 1423[20:36:08] <CrystalMath> LILO > GRUB 1 > IO.SYS > Chris Giese's MBOOT > John Fine's BOOTF > anything i hack up in 3 minutes > ... > GRUB 2
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• 1427[20:36:59] <CrystalMath> oh wait a minute... i thought we were on #slackware
• 1428[20:37:07] <abff> smh
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• 1430[20:37:50] <unixbsd> Have fun ;) ! goottta eat.
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• 1432[20:39:26] <Fromhell> hallo
• 1433[20:39:28] <Fromhell> need help
• 1434[20:39:29] <Fromhell> replaced-url
• 1435[20:39:32] <manu1511> hello :)
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• 1437[20:40:26] <ratrace> Fromhell: what with?
• 1438[20:40:49] <Fromhell> ratrace , problem whith cockpit
• 1439[20:40:53] <Fromhell> replaced-url
• 1440[20:41:07] <sney> if that paste is supposed to be self-explanatory, it looks like the service is generating a self-signed cert and then refusing to use it
• 1441[20:41:31] <sney> ,i cockpit-ws
• 1442[20:41:33] <judd> Package cockpit-ws (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Cockpit Web Service. Version: 188-1; Size: 759.0k; Installed: 1785k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1443[20:41:54] <Fromhell> what i must do
• 1444[20:42:16] <sney> probably start by reading the cockpit manual's section on setting up your tls certificates
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• 1452[20:46:43] <unixbsd> uefi will imply ti use gpt rather than mbr.
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• 1456[20:48:35] <manu1511> sney: no success ;/
• 1457[20:48:38] <manu1511> what about PXE boot?
• 1458[20:48:57] <manu1511> i could setup a pxe server on archlinux here and just connect the old pc via ethernet?
• 1459[20:49:00] <sney> there are debian images for pxe, sure
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• 1462[20:49:10] <sney> I think there's a section in the install guide
• 1463[20:49:11] <sney> !ig
• 1464[20:49:11] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
• 1465[20:49:19] <manu1511> i need special images for pxe?
• 1466[20:49:49] <sney> yeah, pxe boot is in stages, so there's a couple of files
• 1467[20:51:38] <sney> there: replaced-url
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• 1470[20:55:25] <manu1511> i'm going to use pixiecore...
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• 1495[21:29:08] <mutante> What would be the difference between: #!/bin/dash and #/bin/dash Is the latter just a typo someone made?
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• 1497[21:29:58] <mutante> because the interesting thing is it works to run that manually but when i try to make systemd execute it then that is a "Exec format error"
• 1498[21:30:45] <petn-randall> mutante: Latter is a typo.
• 1499[21:30:48] <petn-randall> !shebang
• 1500[21:30:48] <dpkg> somebody said shebang was the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". replaced-url
• 1501[21:30:49] <dnull> mutante: Yes, it's a typo
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• 1503[21:31:12] <mutante> thanks for confirming that, wanted to make sure i am not missing out on anything. because that has been there for years in production then :)
• 1504[21:31:24] <mutante> just pops up when we convert cron jobs to systemd timers and it fails :p
• 1505[21:31:30] <sney> impressive
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• 1507[21:31:49] <mutante> also.. yea. it's dash and not bash but that seems sane
• 1508[21:32:17] <sney> !dash
• 1509[21:32:18] <dpkg> dash (formerly Debian Almquist shell) is a <POSIX> compliant shell, smaller than <bash> and offers faster script execution (decreasing boot time). dash is the default /bin/sh since the Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" release. To check if your existing scripts will work with dash, use checkbashisms from <devscripts> and see replaced-url
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• 1511[21:32:49] <wisbit> hey guys, any idea why my screen, even through remote desktop, shows large black triangles moving as I move the windows
• 1512[21:32:58] <mutante> this is in the script to pull from an Ubuntu mirror, maybe even Canonical wrote it
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• 1514[21:33:07] <Franciman> Hi, my heart hurts a lot today
• 1515[21:33:12] <wisbit> it's like the screen is broken somehow, but it's not since remotely it's the same
• 1516[21:33:25] <Franciman> dat damn ubuntu makes my wifi work properly, while I can't make it work properly on debian
• 1517[21:33:26] <Franciman> :<
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• 1520[21:33:47] <sney> wisbit: over remote desktop, I would suspect compression artifacts
• 1521[21:33:48] <wisbit> and after a day or two, those shapes jsut cover everything and the screen is totally black
• 1522[21:33:53] <akp55> Franciman: is probably a binary blob issue
• 1523[21:34:06] <akp55> and you need to install the non-free firmware package
• 1524[21:34:08] <Franciman> akp55, by binary blob you mean firmware?
• 1525[21:34:09] <Franciman> I did
• 1526[21:34:11] <Franciman> I did
• 1527[21:34:11] <sney> Franciman: haven't we been over this repeatedly? if the driver isn't in mainline linux, debian doesn't have it. we can't magically change that in the support channel
• 1528[21:34:22] <Franciman> sney, it is in the mainline
• 1529[21:34:24] <Franciman> ath10k
• 1530[21:34:33] <Franciman> ah you mean the firmware
• 1531[21:34:38] <akp55> so whats the issue?
• 1532[21:34:38] <Franciman> no sorry, I want to make this clear
• 1533[21:34:45] <sney> no sorry, mixed you up with a realtek user
• 1534[21:34:52] <Franciman> I meant that I can't find a way to make debian work
• 1535[21:34:55] <Franciman> I tried EVERYTHING
• 1536[21:35:01] <Franciman> but now on ubuntu it JUST works
• 1537[21:35:04] <sney> still, ubuntu probably has some patch to the driver that makes theirs work better
• 1538[21:35:04] <Franciman> this can't be happening
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• 1540[21:35:14] <Franciman> now I'm gonna copy this shitty ubuntu stuff
• 1541[21:35:15] <akp55> whats the error you are getting?
• 1542[21:35:36] <Franciman> akp55, the card hangs indefinitely when my father's smartphone is connected to the same wifi
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• 1544[21:35:40] <Franciman> it's exactly this problem
• 1545[21:35:42] <Franciman> I know it is strange
• 1546[21:35:50] <akp55> so then
• 1547[21:35:58] <Franciman> i know it does not make sense, but it's the combination of: my father, my pc and my router altogether
• 1548[21:36:06] <akp55> i would start with checking the kernel versions first
• 1549[21:36:09] <Franciman> it makes my wifi card hang forever
• 1550[21:36:21] <Franciman> I did everything, now I just need to compare the sources and see what the heck they did
• 1551[21:36:21] <akp55> what version is ubuntu using vs debian
• 1552[21:36:25] <wisbit> at first it was just on the screen, it's connected through an old div cable, I thought it was just that, but through remote desktop, same
• 1553[21:36:45] <akp55> did you compare the kernel versions with a simple uname
• 1554[21:36:45] <wisbit> maybe the remote app (teamviewer just uses the currnt "display" output
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• 1556[21:36:53] <akp55> then do a modinfo on both systems
• 1557[21:36:56] <Franciman> akp55, I did
• 1558[21:37:07] <akp55> and they were running the same kernels?
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• 1560[21:37:13] <wisbit> it's really weird
• 1561[21:37:15] <Franciman> at least the same version
• 1562[21:37:20] <Franciman> but it mustn't be the same code
• 1563[21:37:29] <sney> wisbit: can you share a picture of this? does it show in a screenshot, or can you take a photo of the monitor?
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• 1565[21:37:45] <akp55> can you share the output of that stuff with us?
• 1566[21:37:48] <rander2> hello all
• 1567[21:38:03] <Franciman> akp55, the problem is that there is no relevant output
• 1568[21:38:08] <akp55> personally , it sounds like you've over complicated the problem
• 1569[21:38:12] <wisbit> sney : I'll try
• 1570[21:38:14] <Franciman> it's like the card goes to sleep and never triggers interrupt
• 1571[21:38:20] <Franciman> why akp55 ?
• 1572[21:38:31] <Franciman> the problem is that the wifi card doesn't send interrupts to the driver
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• 1574[21:38:34] <Franciman> I don't know why
• 1575[21:38:34] <akp55> you think there isn't but there is... please provide the kernel version from both
• 1576[21:38:49] <Franciman> ok one moment
• 1577[21:38:49] <akp55> did you check modinfo to see if they driver is loaded with different options?
• 1578[21:39:01] <Franciman> yes
• 1579[21:39:16] <rander2> I installed deb10 on a SD card, but when I boot from it, appear a grub prompt in rescue mode. It's the first time I try install debian on SD
• 1580[21:39:45] <Franciman> akp55, I'm using 5.8 backported on debian
• 1581[21:40:00] <Franciman> but it didn't work with 4.19
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• 1583[21:40:14] <Franciman> and I'm using 5.4 on ubuntu now, but I tried 5.8 too and it works there too
• 1584[21:40:18] <Franciman> so it must be some damn patch
• 1585[21:40:21] <akp55> okay
• 1586[21:40:23] <akp55> so do this
• 1587[21:40:26] <akp55> modinfo ath10k
• 1588[21:40:37] <sney> ath10k_pci is the module name, I believe
• 1589[21:40:38] <Franciman> i did
• 1590[21:40:40] <Franciman> and they are the same
• 1591[21:40:41] <Franciman> yes
• 1592[21:40:49] <Franciman> it has three options:
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• 1594[21:40:54] <Franciman> debug_mask, which is irrelevant
• 1595[21:41:00] <Franciman> skip_otp, which is true on both
• 1596[21:41:18] <Franciman> and irq_mode
• 1597[21:41:20] <Franciman> set to auto
• 1598[21:41:36] <akp55> okay. in your dmesg what does it say about the ath10k device?
• 1599[21:42:09] <akp55> and this seems to be the firmware pacakage - replaced-url
• 1600[21:42:16] <Franciman> yes
• 1601[21:42:37] <akp55> one thing you can try is to just copy the firmware from the ubuntu install to the debian install
• 1602[21:42:47] <Franciman> I tried
• 1603[21:42:54] <Franciman> i also tried to use debian's firmware on ubuntu
• 1604[21:43:06] <Franciman> akp55, it says nothing relevant
• 1605[21:43:12] <Franciman> it's the same in both dmesg's
• 1606[21:43:23] <sney> "debian's firmware" is just the files from kernel.org's linux-firmware.git repo, ubuntu's probably is identical as well, since that stuff is all closed-sourc
• 1607[21:43:42] <Franciman> I made the worst mistake to buy this dell xps
• 1608[21:43:53] <Franciman> may qualcomm be damned forever
• 1609[21:44:03] <rander2> to install debian on SD it's the same as install on HD or no ?
• 1610[21:44:37] <Franciman> now I'm going to install debian on a virtual machine and compare everything
• 1611[21:44:40] <sney> rander2: yes it should be, linux doesn't care what kind of device a /dev/sdX is
• 1612[21:44:43] <Franciman> thanks ppl
• 1613[21:44:47] <mutante> rander2: yea, once I even installed on "CF card" because i had it in a USB reader and connected and it booted from that device first
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• 1617[21:46:08] <rander2> but finished installation appeared grub prompt of the rescue mode
• 1618[21:47:00] <sney> !fixmbr
• 1619[21:47:00] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 1620[21:47:16] <sney> the devices were probably enumerated funny, try this to reinstall the bootloader
• 1621[21:47:22] <rander2> however SD is more more slow than SSD or mechanical hd
• 1622[21:47:40] <sney> Franciman: what ubuntu version was the working 5.4 kernel attached to? I'm going to try to find this patch
• 1623[21:47:57] <rander2> and some computer see it as /dev/mmc.... depend
• 1624[21:48:12] <Franciman> sney, 18.04.5
• 1625[21:48:19] <Franciman> err
• 1626[21:48:19] <sney> rander2: ...yes, no kidding, sd cards and usb drives are much slower than proper hard disks or ssds
• 1627[21:48:22] <Franciman> 18.04.1
• 1628[21:48:32] <Franciman> no wait
• 1629[21:48:39] <Franciman> replaced-url
• 1630[21:48:47] <sney> ok
• 1631[21:48:56] <Franciman> sney, is it vodoo? Or can I do it too? I don't want to bother you
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• 1633[21:49:22] <rander2> sney, yes I saw this. But they are much portable and cheap
• 1634[21:49:36] <Franciman> the strange thing is that I tried arch linux lol, with everything super rolling release, and I had the same issue, so ubuntu must have a secret
• 1635[21:49:37] <sney> rander2: you get what you pay for. still, it should be no problem to boot from it.
• 1636[21:49:51] <wisbit> sney : replaced-url
• 1637[21:50:02] <wisbit> replaced-url
• 1638[21:50:05] <sney> Franciman: it's not obviously listed on some public page, it's going to take some digging. but I'm also curious so it's not a bother.
• 1639[21:50:07] <wisbit> replaced-url
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• 1641[21:50:54] <wisbit> don't mind the red redacting, it's the huge lines and triangles in grey/black
• 1642[21:51:07] <rander2> sney, the main problem on SD and similar is the internal controller of the memory, it is simple and cheap
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• 1644[21:51:41] <rander2> SSD are similar but have a more evolution controller
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• 1646[21:51:58] <sney> wisbit: that really looks like visual artifacts caused by hardware issues, do you have another gpu you can test with?
• 1647[21:52:07] <rander2> but the technology is very similar
• 1648[21:52:10] <unixbsd> does a ssh work with legacy or uefi (little question)?
• 1649[21:52:12] <sney> rander2: regardless of any of that, embedded systems boot from sd all the time, so you can too
• 1650[21:52:16] <unixbsd> *ssd
• 1651[21:52:31] <sney> unixbsd: both
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• 1653[21:52:40] <unixbsd> thanks
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• 1655[21:52:58] <unixbsd> it seems that one told me that moving to ssd, does not boot linux debian.
• 1656[21:53:04] <wisbit> sney, no unfortunately I don't, I though it might have to do with drivers, of with the dvi output, or something
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• 1658[21:53:23] <wisbit> config is, in terms of "visual artifacts" straight from the box
• 1659[21:53:26] <rander2> sney, yes but I referred to a normal laptop not a raspberry or embedded system
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• 1661[21:53:40] <sney> unixbsd: that person didn't know what they were talking about. I have 3 machines, no uefi, ssd OS disks on all of them
• 1662[21:53:45] <wisbit> maybe some "special effects" I can disable
• 1663[21:54:05] <sney> unixbsd: maybe some of the super-new nvme stuff only works with uefi, but most ssds are just a regular sata drive as far as the OS is concerned.
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• 1665[21:54:36] <sney> wisbit: yes, try disabling kwin's compositor
• 1666[21:55:01] <rander2> however I installed deb10 on a 32gbite sd and when I boot from it appear grub rescue prompt, ok I'll try to reinstall debian in minimal mode
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• 1668[21:55:24] <wisbit> is there somthing in display and monitor settings, like rendering backen (opengl 3.1, 2.0 or xrender) ... chaging something there
• 1669[21:55:49] <wisbit> sney "compositor settings for Desktop Effects" ?
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• 1671[21:56:51] <gnat_x> rander2: if you are getting to grub rescue mode, the SD should work...presuming that's your boot device.
• 1672[21:57:00] <sney> wisbit: that sounds right
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• 1674[21:57:37] <BCMM> unixbsd: what sort of ssd? a SATA ssd works just like a hard drive, as far as the system firmware is concerned
• 1675[21:57:53] <wisbit> i changed the rendering backend to "xrender" ... seems to be ok... i also disbaled compositor at startup, I'll see next startup what does that do
• 1676[21:57:58] <rander2> gnat_x, I tried on 2 differents laptop and it's the same
• 1677[21:58:16] <BCMM> but if you have an nvme drive, you will need a motherboard that supports nvme boot if you want to boot from it
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• 1680[21:58:47] <rander2> gnat_x, sometime depend from bios , boot in efi mode or normal. I change it too but it's the same
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• 1688[22:02:46] <wisbit> sney : cheers mate, so far so good, no weird shapes in sight for the last several minutes :)
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• 1692[22:08:32] <rander2> how clone a debian partiton and make the clone bootable ? I want clone a partition on microSD and boot from it
• 1693[22:08:40] <rander2> clone zilla?
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• 1697[22:11:54] <rander2> e2image
• 1698[22:12:25] <quadrathoch2> rander2 it really depends on how the system boots, is grub2 fine? or is there a special bootloader
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• 1701[22:12:57] <rander2> quadrathoch2, now boot from grub
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• 1703[22:13:42] <rander2> quadrathoch2, grub2 from deb10 , deb is the unique OS here
• 1704[22:14:23] <quadrathoch2> bios/uefi?
• 1705[22:16:07] <rander2> quadrathoch2, onestly I don't know exactly , this is a netbook in bios havent uefi opzion
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• 1707[22:16:36] <quadrathoch2> so sounds like bios then
• 1708[22:16:39] <quadrathoch2> !chroot
• 1709[22:16:39] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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• 1711[22:17:06] <quadrathoch2> sounds like you would need to do the above rander2
• 1712[22:17:45] <rander2> quadrathoch2, chroot ?
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• 1714[22:18:12] <quadrathoch2> yes
• 1715[22:18:42] <rander2> quadrathoch2, chroot depend from bios/uefi ?
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• 1719[22:20:19] <rander2> quadrathoch2, the same thing using clonezilla ?
• 1720[22:20:55] <rander2> replaced-url
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• 1722[22:21:17] <BugHunter1000> Why does debsecan list vulnerabilities for old and patched versions of installed software?
• 1723[22:21:18] <rander2> here dont tell to chroot the system from a live linux
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• 1727[22:23:21] <quadrathoch2> rander2 idk how those work :/ so can't say too much about them
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• 1739[22:45:17] <rander2> booting grub wite: error: no such device : 11ce.....
• 1740[22:45:54] <quadrathoch2> what did you type specifically?
• 1741[22:46:15] <rander2> in fact 11ce...dont exist , the sdb1 have UUID different, I read it with blkid
• 1742[22:46:53] <rander2> I thing grub refer to a wrong UUID. How may I change UUID , must I edit grub.conf ?
• 1743[22:47:55] <sney> welp, I found a big patch for ath10k that's included with that ubuntu kernel, and of course Franciman is gone now
• 1744[22:48:04] <rander2> quadrathoch2, nothing, I insert SD in this laptop and I read UUID with blkid. I'm using 2 laptop
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• 1753[22:53:14] <rander2> hello
• 1754[22:53:24] <Franciman> so sney it was too good to be true
• 1755[22:53:28] <Franciman> I get crashes here too
• 1756[22:54:39] <sney> [14:47:55] <sney> welp, I found a big patch for ath10k that's included with that ubuntu kernel, and of course Franciman is gone now
• 1757[22:54:48] <Franciman> lol
• 1758[22:54:51] <sney> it's not an explicitly related patch, but it does make a lot of changes to the driver
• 1759[22:54:52] <Franciman> what is it?
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• 1761[22:55:08] <sney> replaced-url
• 1762[22:56:03] <quadrathoch2> rander2 so what did you type that grub gives you that error?
• 1763[22:56:35] <Franciman> thanks sney
• 1764[22:56:40] <Franciman> hmm
• 1765[22:57:07] <rander2> quadrathoch2, I told you grub write error: no such device: 11ce....
• 1766[22:57:43] <quadrathoch2> so the computer just gave you that error without you doing anything? rander2
• 1767[22:58:06] <rander2> with ls dont list nothing partition. I reinstall grub from another laptop with grub-install /dev/sdbv
• 1768[22:58:35] <rander2> quadrathoch2, yes
• 1769[22:59:06] <quadrathoch2> rander2 did you chroot?
• 1770[22:59:26] <rander2> quadrathoch2, and dont list any partition with ls. Maybe reinstalling grub change UUID or some setting in grub ?
• 1771[22:59:43] <rander2> quadrathoch2, No
• 1772[23:00:24] <rander2> or I re do it in chroot mode
• 1773[23:00:25] <Franciman> sney, where do you see the patches applied to ubuntu's kernel?
• 1774[23:00:58] <quadrathoch2> you would need to chroot, so it knows which grub it should update
• 1775[23:01:20] <rander2> quadrathoch2, but I dont found any chroot information in replaced-url
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• 1777[23:01:31] <sney> Franciman: I had to download the 5.4.0-46.47 source from launchpad and grep it for ath10k changes, then work backwards to find a related bug report or commit message
• 1778[23:01:40] <sney> ubuntu doesn't make this easy
• 1779[23:02:19] <sney> and their kernel git-web interface mixes upstream kernel commits in with the ubuntu-only or ubuntu-backported stuff so it's not trivial to filter it that way either
• 1780[23:02:19] <Franciman> hmm I see
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• 1782[23:02:44] <RoyK> sney: how nice…
• 1783[23:02:48] <quadrathoch2> rander2 disk cloning is something else as making it bootable rander2
• 1784[23:02:54] <Franciman> well thanks
• 1785[23:03:00] <Franciman> I'll try more
• 1786[23:03:04] <rander2> quadrathoch2, yes excuse me
• 1787[23:03:20] <sney> np, those ath10k nics are getting more common so I'm sure you aren't the only one with this problem
• 1788[23:03:33] <Franciman> I hope qualcomm fails
• 1789[23:03:39] <Franciman> goes bankrupt
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• 1791[23:03:48] <Franciman> ath9k was cool
• 1792[23:03:57] <Franciman> they made everything suck
• 1793[23:04:49] <Franciman> sney, when you say grep for ath10k changes, you mean :P ?
• 1794[23:04:50] <Franciman> git grep?
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• 1796[23:05:37] <rander2> quadrathoch2, chroot instruction refer to live linux not to a running normal linux
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• 1798[23:06:05] <sney> Franciman: I downloaded the linux_5.4.0-42.46.diff.gz file, gunzipped it and did the grep there
• 1799[23:06:13] <Franciman> oh
• 1800[23:06:14] <Franciman> cool
• 1801[23:06:15] <Franciman> thanks
• 1802[23:06:42] <quadrathoch2> rander2 it can be the normal running pc
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• 1808[23:09:47] <rander2> quadrathoch2, replaced-url
• 1809[23:09:52] <rander2> strange
• 1810[23:10:34] <freem> Hello. Is there is any DHCP problem known in Debian-10.1.0 iso file?
• 1811[23:11:06] <freem> I know it's not the last one, but it's the one I have on disk so...
• 1812[23:11:26] <sney> freem: nothing that I've heard about, what issue are you seeing?
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• 1814[23:12:40] <freem> the (strange) problem I have is, I have a virtualbox system acting as a router and providing a DHCPd for IPv4 only. It works fine, since the PXE infrastructure I have behind can reach the internet, and installed systems can either, but Debian's official installer complains that it can't setup a route
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• 1817[23:13:02] <freem> I'm really surprised, because it's the 1st time I experience that, even if I admit that I don't use the official installer oftern
• 1818[23:13:32] <freem> I'm downloading a more recent iso, just in case... but that'll take ages
• 1819[23:13:44] <freem> (ok, only ~30min)
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• 1821[23:14:49] <sney> hmm, that could be #927413
• 1822[23:14:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1823[23:14:50] <freem> sney: ^ is the problem described enough or do you require more informations? Oh, I could add that the DHCP server uses isc-dhcpd-server, and the systems I boot uses busybox's udhcpc
• 1824[23:15:57] <freem> judd: then, how is it that normal systems, which also uses udhcpc can setup the route? The script differs between the udev and the deb?
• 1825[23:16:08] <sney> judd is a bot, you're still talking to me
• 1826[23:16:12] <freem> oh
• 1827[23:16:16] <rander2> !dpkg chroot
• 1828[23:16:16] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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• 1831[23:16:34] <freem> yeah, read bad line :)
• 1832[23:16:41] <rander2> istructions are wrong, ext2 exist in past
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• 1836[23:18:11] <sney> rander2: ext3/4 filesystems can be mounted as ext2, with journaling disabled. that may have been the point.
• 1837[23:18:38] <rander2> sney, as ext2 don't go, as ext4 yes I'm doing
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• 1841[23:19:22] <sney> but in any case, not everyone's root filesystem is ext* and modern mount can autodetect filesystems, so that part doesn't need to be there
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• 1843[23:21:06] <sney> heh, the chroot factoid was last updated in 2014.
• 1844[23:22:39] <sney> freem: it seems if the dhcp server is misbehaving, or otherwise configured not to provide a default route, that causes the failure. so a baremetal system on a network with, e.g. a consumer router that provides an address and a route, will be fine
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• 1846[23:25:43] <freem> the server is a virtual machine I installed, running debian. The dhcp server's conf have a "option router IP1 IP2" line, which is used by both the chroot used for PXE install and the installed systems. There are mentions of those routes nowhere else.
• 1847[23:26:06] <freem> sney: so, is there is a way to say "this IP1 is the default route" in isc-dhcp-server.
• 1848[23:26:07] <freem> ?
• 1849[23:26:43] <freem> I've read the doc several times and can't remember such thing, and only debian installer ever had problems there
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• 1851[23:27:07] <sney> I haven't used isc-dhcp-server recently so I'd have to look at the same manual you are.
• 1852[23:28:32] <rander2> replaced-url
• 1853[23:28:41] <rander2> this is after chroot
• 1854[23:29:37] <freem> "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys"
• 1855[23:30:16] <freem> strange, I usually just use "for fs in /dev /sys /run ; do mount --bind $i /$target/$i; done"
• 1856[23:30:37] <freem> I wonder what are those rslave and rbind options...
• 1857[23:30:46] <freem> oh, and /proc in that for loop, too, ofc
• 1858[23:31:16] <freem> sney: I'll be fixed soon enough, dl of more recent image is almost done. Maybe behavior will change then
• 1859[23:31:28] <sney> we try not to have too many variables and one-liner kludges in the factoids, since they're essentially a learning resource
• 1860[23:31:39] <nt0_> what's the best practice for upgrading a package from the repos with a .deb? uninstall and then install the .deb? or is it okay to install the .deb over the older version?
• 1861[23:32:04] <sney> nt0_: .deb packages are designed to upgrade each other, so that's the best practice unless the source explicitly told you not to
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• 1863[23:33:11] <freem> I used a for loop to make it quicker to write, is all
• 1864[23:34:02] <nt0_> sney: upgrading a package that is currently managed by apt by manually installing a .deb--apt will leave it be from that point on?
• 1865[23:34:38] <sney> nt0_: nope, if apt knows a newer version of that package it will be upgraded, unless you e.g. 'apt-mark hold' the package
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• 1868[23:35:07] <nt0_> sney: okay, perfect. apt will keep track of it but leave it alone unless a newer version is pushed to the repos?
• 1869[23:35:12] <sney> nt0_: yes.
• 1870[23:35:23] <nt0_> excellent news!
• 1871[23:35:26] <nt0_> thank you.
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• 1873[23:38:30] <sney> seems the --rbind and --make-rslave stuff is so you can unmount that filesystem if needed, which seems pointless in an ephemeral rescue environment. but probably not harmful either, so I'll leave it
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• 1876[23:39:32] <freem> rbind seems to allow binding submounts too, so yeah, is useful: I simply didn't knew it existed. I still don't understand the rslave thingy though
• 1877[23:39:36] <freem> how are the udeb files constructed? I'm curious. I suppose there is no repo with them?
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• 1879[23:40:06] <freem> nice, the 10.6 image can't even show the ncurses installer
• 1880[23:40:26] <freem> graphical one works though
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• 1883[23:42:16] <freem> nvm that...
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• 1889[23:45:37] <freem> sney: the problem still happens with latest image unfortunately
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• 1891[23:45:51] <sney> well the bug is still open, so that's not a surprise
• 1892[23:46:34] <H-var> I don't have /etc/mpd.conf file to configure my audio on debian
• 1893[23:46:40] <H-var> where is it on debian 10?
• 1894[23:46:44] <sney> !install it
• 1895[23:46:44] <dpkg> Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
• 1896[23:47:09] <H-var> mpd is a program?
• 1897[23:47:15] <freem> yes
• 1898[23:47:28] <H-var> thank you
• 1899[23:47:38] <freem> also, it's only a music player
• 1900[23:48:05] <freem> you don't require it to have audio, you can use other players. I would even recommend it if you're new to debian.
• 1901[23:48:21] <freem> (or to linux generally)
• 1902[23:48:44] <H-var> I just wanna my DAC to output files properly because it's stuck at 44KHz
• 1903[23:48:49] <H-var> and the flac file is 192
• 1904[23:49:17] <freem> thus installing mpd will very likely not change anything.
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• 1906[23:49:48] <H-var> yup
• 1907[23:49:51] <H-var> sigh
• 1908[23:49:54] <freem> maybe you should try to explain more what you try to achieve?
• 1909[23:50:25] <freem> does audio works at all for a start? Or is it just taht specific hardware which have problems?
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• 1911[23:50:46] <H-var> I just plugged it into my USB port, and linux uses the device, no issues, the only problem is that it doesn't reproduce the audio at the necessary rates
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• 1913[23:51:15] <jmcnaught> H-var: what program are you using to play the file?
• 1914[23:51:19] <sney> iirc jackd is typically preferred on linux systems that are doing audio editing etc, and a quick google tells me that jackctl has options to set the sample rate
• 1915[23:51:29] <H-var> I was thinking it maybe needs a third party sound processing, like ASIO on windows
• 1916[23:51:56] <H-var> jmcnaught I just use clementine right now
• 1917[23:52:08] <freem> yeah, looks like advanced audio stuff to me. Here I think sney is right, people use jackd for that, but I don't know much more
• 1918[23:52:14] <H-var> is there something like ASIO for linux?
• 1919[23:52:25] <freem> define ASIO?
• 1920[23:52:27] <jmcnaught> H-var: if clementine is outputting to PulseAudio then you would need to configure PulseAudio for higher sample rate.
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• 1922[23:52:45] <freem> replaced-url
• 1923[23:52:56] <H-var> ASIO4ALL is a hardware independent low latency ASIO driver for WDM audio devices. It uses WDM Kernel-Streaming and sometimes even more sophisticated methods to achieve its objectives.
• 1924[23:53:03] <jmcnaught> H-var: There is this page about it on the PulseAudio wiki, but it has not been updated since 2013 and the author apparently did not know how to format: replaced-url
• 1925[23:53:48] <H-var> I can switch to "default ALSA sound card" in clementine, but I don't know how to configure ALSA
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• 1927[23:54:19] <H-var> replaced-url
• 1928[23:54:28] <jmcnaught> H-var: otherwise using jackd was suggested above, can clementine output to jack?
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• 1931[23:55:55] <freem> probably not, I don't see libjackd in the dependencies
• 1932[23:57:31] <freem> mpd can, for sure. Dunno other players much, long time I ditched them in favor of mpd
• 1933[23:57:52] <freem> but I don't know how to setup mpd for jack, never used it.
• 1934[23:58:34] <freem> one would need a client to use mpd though, and IIRC ario was a graphical one
• 1935[23:58:47] <sney> for testing output at specific sample rates, with jack, I would recommend audacity. then once you get it working you can figure out something with a more friendly ui
• 1936[23:59:01] <jmcnaught> xmms2-plugin-jack maybe
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• 1938[23:59:10] <sney> jack may even have a command line player too
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