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2 [00:01:28] <nbags> furseiso: just use mount? or is there some
extra feature you are after?
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7 [00:02:37] <furseiso> Do you mean mount as a user?
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12 [00:04:26] <furseiso> If so, thanks.
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18 [00:04:55] <nbags> furseiso: try udisksctl loop-setup -r -f
/path/to/file.iso
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31 [00:10:51] <furseiso> udisksctl loop-setup -r -f
debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
32 [00:11:09] <furseiso> did this, so where is the data?
33 [00:11:13] <furseiso> ...
34 [00:11:19] <nbags> should be in /media
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38 [00:12:08] <furseiso> no
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40 [00:12:41] <nbags> furseiso: u on a desktop system?
41 [00:13:03] <nbags> it worked for me under gnome
42 [00:13:07] <furseiso> yes
43 [00:13:21] <furseiso> icewm
44 [00:14:09] <nbags> ok. i have udisksd and
gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor running, so one of them must be handling
it
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53 [00:17:53] <furseiso> got that two, too.
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56 [00:18:40] <nbags> furseiso: do normal usb drives and stuff
work?
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66 [00:20:23] <Hello71> shouldn't it be in /run/media
67 [00:20:57] <nbags> you could try a udisksctl mount
/dev/loop<something> afterwards
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80 [00:24:59] <furseiso> No way. Need to leave, thx.
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90 [00:27:23] <emilsedgh> Guys I did a dist-upgrade and now when
I run queries against my postgres I get this error:
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92 [00:27:25] <emilsedgh> could not access file
"$libdir/postgis-2.2": No such file or directory
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95 [00:27:54] <emilsedgh> I read that the solution is running
this: ALTER EXTENSION postgis UPDATE TO '2.2.2';
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97 [00:28:06] <emilsedgh> but I get this in response: version
"2.2.2" of extension "postgis" is already
installed
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103 [00:30:56] <TomTomTo1> what distro are you using? what
version before and after the dist-upgrade?
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109 [00:35:37] <k_j> hi
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112 [00:36:29] <k_j> dpkg installs a local package without
downloading any dependencies, while apt-get does, on the other hand
apt-get requires a package to be in a repository
113 [00:36:29] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, k_j
114 [00:37:01] <emilsedgh> TomTomTo1: I was on Debian sid. I
still am.
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116 [00:37:30] <k_j> is there a way to install a local package
with all its dependencies from the repository apt-get would resolve
the dependencies from
117 [00:38:26] <TomTomTo1> !tell emilsedgh about debian-next
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120 [00:38:48] <TomTomTo1> emilsedgh: then you might get better
help in the right channel ^
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122 [00:39:05] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell k_j -about gdebi
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124 [00:39:20] <k_j> jmcnaught, but is gdbe an official tool?
125 [00:39:27] <k_j> gdebi
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127 [00:39:33] <emilsedgh> thanks TomTomTo1
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131 [00:41:08] <jmcnaught> k_j: depends on what you mean by
official. it's not part of the apt or dpkg projects, but it is
installed by default for desktop environments using packagekit
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137 [00:43:59] <Asulil> hi all
138 [00:44:00] <GeMiNniS> bye
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141 [00:44:47] <Asulil> does anyone know how do get cloack
unaffiliated?
142 [00:45:00] <somiaj> Asulil: go ask in #freenode about cloaks
143 [00:45:49] <Asulil> somiaj: hi, no answer from there
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145 [00:46:41] <somiaj> Asulil: you will have to find a staff
member to talk about cloaks. #freenode is the place to be
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179 [01:00:15] <stew> Asulil: "/stats p" lists an
on-call staff member you can /msg
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185 [01:00:58] <Asulil> sew: I don't get you
186 [01:01:08] <Asulil> stew: I don't get you
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188 [01:01:50] <stew> Asulil: "/stats p" is how you
would ask the server to list the currently on-call staff members.
Currently there is one staff member listed with the nick
"zomble"
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190 [01:02:14] <stew> Asulil: so you should be able to /msg
zomble in order to get help if you aren't getting help in
#freenode
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192 [01:03:15] <Asulil> stew: I am sorry but I don't know
how to ask "zomble"?
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200 [01:07:23] <pingfloyd> Asulil: just needs to be someone
that's part of freenode staff
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202 [01:07:42] <pingfloyd> Asulil: they should have a cloak
showing that they are staff
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232 [01:20:13] <Asulil> pingfloyd, stew: thank you
233 [01:21:01] <Asulil> stew: if I change my nickname, I'll
keep loacked though?
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237 [01:21:57] <Asulil> *cloacked
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301 [02:10:54] <greyeax> is it possible to change kernel config
without completely building a new kernel from source in debian?
302 [02:11:53] <somiaj> greyeax: what do you need to change? It
is possible to recompile just a module I think, but usually you have
to re compile the whole kernel
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323 [02:24:42] <ws2k3> is it possible to check if my cd tray is
open or not?
324 [02:25:21] <dvs> ws2k3, try to mount it?
325 [02:25:36] <somiaj> I know the command 'eject' will
open it, maybe there is a key there that can check if it is
open/closed
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328 [02:27:52] <greyeax> somiaj: i'm trying to install grsec
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330 [02:28:05] <greyeax> i used the grsec kernel package in
backports, but it's missing a config option that i want
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332 [02:28:16] <greyeax> i'd like to just enable the one,
but if i have to i'll build from source
333 [02:28:28] <somiaj> you'll have to build from source I
belive
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335 [02:31:00] <somiaj> !kernel recompile
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339 [02:32:08] <observation192_> Can a linux get v1ruses?
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344 [02:32:50] <somiaj> !kernel handbook
345 [02:32:50] <am_> hi all
346 [02:32:50] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook
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351 [02:33:14] <somiaj> observation192_: yes, though security
concerns in linux are rarely viruses (since most the ones out there
won't hurt linux)
352 [02:33:37] <observation192_> somiaj: Should I put an
antiviral on my linux?
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356 [02:35:41] <somiaj> observation192_: there really isn't
one like you think for windows. Security concerns in linux are quite
different than windows in this regard.
357 [02:35:54] <somiaj> observation192_: you should run debian
stable and keep upto date on all the security fixes.
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359 [02:36:53] <somiaj> observation192_: i.e. virus can affect
linux, but since linux is so varried (so many different distros,
software, kernels, etc) usually they only affect a very certain
setup which gets fixed once it is known.
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361 [02:37:13] <somiaj> observation192_: so there just
aren't people writting viruses for windows like they do for
windows.
362 [02:37:55] <observation192_> somiaj: Okay thanks
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370 [02:41:19] <am_> hii all
371 [02:41:30] <observation192_> Sup
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377 [02:43:52] <am_> can you please tell how to update the grub.
I reinstalled the grum from ubuntu usb. But I can't access to
debian. I am now on ubuntu usb and I get this result:
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378 [02:44:07] <am_> does anyone know how to fix it? thanks
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380 [02:45:24] <somiaj> am_: you should ask ubuntu about how to
get their grub to boot other distros.
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385 [02:45:55] <am_> somiaj: I think you didn't understand
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387 [02:46:10] <am_> somiaj: I am using debian not ubuntu
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391 [02:46:56] <somiaj> am_: it sounds like you are booted up on
a ubuntu usb using their grub.
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393 [02:47:56] <am_> somiaj: I used ubuntu live usb to reinstall
the grub for my debian partition. But I can't boot on debian
394 [02:48:31] <somiaj> it looks like you are not using debian,
did you create a chroot and chroot into your debian install and use
the debian grub
395 [02:48:35] <somiaj>
replaced-url
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400 [02:52:02] <am_> somiaj: yes I did
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404 [02:52:41] <somiaj> well everything in that paste you gave
says you are in the ubuntu live cd. your username/hostname is
ubuntu@ubuntu, the files in /boot are not debian kernels.
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406 [02:53:03] <somiaj> make sure you correctly mount --bind
proc, dev, sys into your debian install and chroot into it and run
the debian grub
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413 [02:54:31] <somiaj> !fixmbr
414 [02:54:31] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
415 [02:54:42] <somiaj> am_: thouse basic instructions should
work from the ubuntu live image
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418 [02:56:08] <am_> somiaj: yes I did
419 [02:56:13] <am_> somiaj:
replaced-url
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421 [02:57:03] <somiaj> am_: you may want to update grub inside
the chroot too
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423 [02:58:12] <am_> somiaj: what is the command line? Itried
alias 'grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg' but it
doesn't work
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426 [02:58:34] <somiaj> am_: update-grub I think is the command.
This should run the scripts to build the grub menu
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430 [02:59:35] <am_> somiaj: I did many time update-grub, it says
: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of
`/cow'.
431 [03:00:08] <am_> somiaj: I don't understand why.
432 [03:00:26] <somiaj> am_: from inside the chroot? The paste
you gave me which gave you that error was due to running that
command?
433 [03:00:51] <somiaj> am_: do you know if you use efi or legacy
boot?
434 [03:01:12] <am_> somiaj: ok, I'll try again right now,
I'll let you know, brb
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445 [03:07:57] <am_> somiaj: funny, now update-grub works,
I'll reboot to see, brb
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449 [03:10:40] <zitttyx> Have you eaten ground beef recently?
Ground beef is the result of everything outside of the cow's
bones (including nerves) being ground up. Ground beef often contains
prions (misfolded proteins) which due to mammalic protein metabolism
act virally and will cause you to come down with Creutzfeldt-Jakob
Disease (CJD) where your brain slowly decays due to holes forming in
your brain.
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457 [03:14:05] <petemc> thats different spam
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480 [03:38:46] <tharkun> Wow, spam is getting more creative this
days. Still the previous statement has some missinformation on it.
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494 [03:51:35] <greyeax> is there a package i need in order to do
make nconfig?
495 [03:51:38] <greyeax> like an ncurses package?
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645 [05:45:18] <smile123> hello,
646 [05:45:21] <smile123> i have usb wifi TP-LINK TL-WN821N, and
install firmware-atheros_0.43_all.deb but wifi do not start
647 [05:45:23] <smile123> in lsusb find tp-link ar9170
648 [05:45:25] <smile123> how can fix this problem???
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660 [06:04:03] <missmbob> my first bet is jessie-backports.
you're using something really ancient
661 [06:04:11] <missmbob> damn
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689 [06:27:55] <Resilience> hello to everyone,I am going to buy a
new laptop (mine is old) and I want advice on running deian from a
SSD, is there anything different from running it from an HD? does it
matter be it SATA/PCIe or M.2?
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708 [06:40:36] <LostSoul> Hi
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711 [06:41:28] <shrines> hey
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713 [06:41:31] <LostSoul> I know issuse is not Debian related but
seems that guys from suse can't help me. I had strange issuse
yesterday, I tried to dd bootable pendrive to restora partition
table and use it again as 8GB pendrive
714 [06:41:54] <LostSoul> I did dd and after that tried fdisk and
gparted
715 [06:41:56] <LostSoul>
replaced-url
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717 [06:43:06] <LostSoul> I was not able to create table or
rather linux didn't see it. What was funnier that dd
if=/dev/zero of=/my/dev made device "smaller" like when I
set count or bs or both pendrive in fdisk was seen as for example
5kb
718 [06:43:36] <LostSoul> Today I put it in other laptop and
there indeed was no partition on pendrive, I used fdisk and
it's created
719 [06:43:47] <LostSoul> But my question is .. what could have
gone wrong?
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721 [06:45:30] <shrines> sometimes ive found running partprobe /
kpartx is required after making partition changes on a device
already seen by linux
722 [06:45:43] <shrines> to get the kernel to re-read and re-load
the partition table live on the device into memory
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724 [06:46:41] <shrines> if the device is in use, linux/fdisk can
write to the partition table of the actual disk, but wont
automatically re-read that new part table into mem
725 [06:46:52] <shrines> my experience is mainly with rhel 5/6 on
that
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729 [06:48:11] <shrines> so you can get fdisk to delete a
live/inuse partition table, but linux will continue to use the
partition table in memory (thankfully) untill you either reboot, or
tell it to reload the part table
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735 [06:50:23] <LostSoul> How can I tell him to reload?
736 [06:50:30] <LostSoul> Because it seems it might be the case?
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738 [06:50:56] <LostSoul> I've met such issue for the first
time
739 [06:51:12] <LostSoul> Also shrines, any idea why dd made
pendrive "smaller"?
740 [06:51:41] <LostSoul> I was alway using dd with if + of +
bs=1 count=2048 or something similar but it never made my
"disk" smaller
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742 [06:52:20] <shrines> partprobe will tell linux to reload the
partition table on a device into memory; after running it you can be
sure that when you run a `fdisk -l` it should be what is actually on
the device
743 [06:52:43] <shrines> kpartx can be used to tell linux to
create /dev/sdbX partition device files in the case that they arnt
automatically created
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745 [06:53:04] <shrines> are you able to replicate the issue /
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748 [06:53:59] <LostSoul> I will try today
749 [06:54:09] <LostSoul> Either with same or second pendrive
750 [06:54:20] <LostSoul> Will be around later today (in ~10H)?
751 [06:54:24] <LostSoul> Or tomorrow
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753 [06:54:32] <LostSoul> As I'm really willing to learn
from this
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806 [07:44:27] <a0k> hello
807 [07:44:36] <a0k> Anyone active here? need quick help
808 [07:44:38] <mutante> !ask
809 [07:44:39] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
810 [07:44:45] <a0k> Okay
811 [07:45:00] <a0k> so basically, i just measured my cock size..
and its wayy below average... any tips?
812 [07:45:27] <mutante> a0k: buy a fancy car
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839 [08:12:41] <LostSoul> LOL
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868 [08:49:54] <paradx> hi, when i connect my laptop to my pc
(HDMI) i get rows of refreshing chunks or something, so that you see
vertical lines on the screen where the upper picture doesn't
match the rest of the picture. I'm using the nouveau driver on
the g750M and the cpu grapic runs the i915.ko driver for intel
graphics. Anybody any idea how to get a pretty picture?
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870 [08:50:15] <paradx> *mean TV not pc
871 [08:51:03] <paradx> I also tried the nvidia driver but my
desktop manager won't start anymore.
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875 [08:56:02] <Resilience> hello to everyone,I am going to buy a
new laptop (mine is old) and I want advice on running debian from a
SSD, is there anything different from running it from an HD? does it
matter be it SATA/PCIe or M.2?
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880 [08:58:46] <dutchfish> Resilience, you might ask #hardware,
in short probably not, but think what gpu you want in it and read
about debian install wiki on the new hw
881 [08:59:18] <Resilience> dutchfish, is it form me? or for
paradx ?
882 [08:59:27] <paradx> no nvidia shit if you ask me (see above
:P)
883 [08:59:50] <dutchfish> Resilience, for you
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885 [09:00:56] <Resilience> dutchfish, what is related in the GPU
to SSD's?
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887 [09:02:01] <paradx> I think none but if you buy a new laptop
thats something to consider since graphics drivers are a pain in the
ass
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889 [09:02:17] <dutchfish> Resilience, things as, cache, swap etc
depending on how much memory it has, no, gpu is not related to your
M.2 question, but M.2 works out of the box in general, not so for
the gpu, hence i hinted that
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891 [09:03:07] <dutchfish> paradx, true
892 [09:03:20] <Resilience> dutchfish, I don't think
#hardware be the channel right for asing questions about running
debian on an SSD...
893 [09:03:52] <Resilience> paradx, I try to avoid nvidia as much
as I can, it does not work wirh free software
894 [09:03:59] <dutchfish> Resilience, well, it depends on the
current guys in there, they where always very helpfull to me, be
patient
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897 [09:05:39] <Resilience> dutchfish, a SSD (a? an?) will work
with just plugging it, but, what about the durability? the log
filles, etc, do I have to make something different than with a HD?
do I have to log it to RAM ant then wirte to disk when powering off?
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901 [09:06:28] <dutchfish> Resilience, as i said as hint, delve
into swap, cache and writeouts, it is on the debian wiki
902 [09:06:38] <somiaj> Resilience: depends on the sdd, but most
modern one don't have the durability concern they originally
had.
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904 [09:07:25] <somiaj> there are some optimizations you can do
with trim if needed
905 [09:07:43] <somiaj> and other file system options
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907 [09:08:25] <paradx> @Resilience I know - from experience
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910 [09:09:02] <Resilience> somiaj, but these are optimizations,
but I can install a debian system on an SSD as if was a HD, an d
expecto to have more or less the same life and durability, right?
911 [09:09:25] <lacrimosa> hi everyone
912 [09:09:37] <somiaj> yea, Im' running on an ssd right
now. For the most part to the os there is no difference from a
regular sata harddrive.
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914 [09:09:47] <spectral_> anyone on lxqt?
915 [09:09:48] <paradx> just faster :P
916 [09:09:50] <Resilience> dutchfish, on the debian wiki? and
what do I search for?
917 [09:10:21] <dutchfish> Resilience, google fu,
replaced-url
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919 [09:11:03] <Resilience> somiaj, ok, SSD's are something
new for me, and new laptops seem to have "only" SSds (it
si nor true, I know), so logging, swap and anything else won't
harm my SSD, right?
920 [09:11:37] <dutchfish> Resilience, some of the info is quiet
old, as somiaj said, most modern drives probably won't need
much off it
921 [09:11:52] <somiaj> Resilience: no more/less than having say
windows on it. Though as I said there are some optimizations that
can help the longevity of the ssd, though these are not needed that
badly on most modern ssds
922 [09:12:45] <Resilience> somiaj, I suppose is all in the wiki
as dutchfish said
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924 [09:12:56] <Resilience> dutchfish, , somiaj thanks for the
info
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926 [09:15:06] <somiaj> Resilience: note, one thing I ran into on
an laptop. It was a dell where the ssd was configured by the
firmware to be in a combo with a regular hhd, the firmware made
running debian from just the ssd hard as it was designed to be
optimized by some windows driver to put the most needed files on the
ssd and keep the bulk of files on the main hdd
927 [09:15:37] <somiaj> Resilience: this wasn't an issue
with the ssd it was just the firmware on the laptop. So as long as
it is a dedicated ssd you shouldn't have to worry, I would just
be careful with the hybrid options they offered for a while.
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929 [09:16:46] <dutchfish> somiaj, the intel firmware drivers for
that are now in the latest kernels
930 [09:17:04] <somiaj> dutchfish: oh nice. I just gave up on
having an ssd on that laptop.
931 [09:17:08] <Resilience> somiaj, I have never been a fan of
hybrid SSD/HD combos
932 [09:17:16] <dutchfish> somiaj, yep, that was a pita back then
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937 [09:20:55] <dutchfish> Resilience, you can circumvent alot of
issues with enough memory, you don need to go wild on it, but more
mem will definitely help to prevent eccesive swapping and forced
writeouts by alot, hence saving your ssd from wearing out
prematurely, some brwoser are known to do alot of cache writes, fyi
938 [09:21:31] <jarvis> help
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940 [09:22:18] <Resilience> dutchfish, mmm I think that I
don't touch the cache (how can I know it), and what browser do
you refer to?
941 [09:23:01] <dutchfish> Resilience, almost all browsers, but
google has bulks of info about that, it is a bit offtopic in here
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943 [09:23:45] <dutchfish> Resilience, get enough memory and you
do fine, in general
944 [09:24:21] <dutchfish> Resilience, as a ballpark figure, i
tend to go for 8/16GB
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946 [09:24:39] <dutchfish> Resilience, but it totally depends on
your workload
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948 [09:25:00] <dutchfish> Resilience, since mem is not that
expensive ......
949 [09:25:36] <dutchfish> Resilience, and i was talking a
workstation setup for Debian Linux
950 [09:25:58] <dutchfish> Resilience, good luck
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954 [09:27:10] <mar77i> what kind of "superfluous"
files can a system upgrade leave lying around? how would I go about
looking for them?
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956 [09:27:39] <mar77i> other than what autoremove removes as
packages, that is.
957 [09:28:07] <dutchfish> mar77i, well, first check if apt/dpkg
is on par (packagemanager)
958 [09:28:16] <Resilience> dutfthans for all
959 [09:28:33] <mar77i> how "on par"?
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964 [09:29:19] <dutchfish> mar77i, aptitude update &&
aptitude safe-upgrade | look if it reports errors (i asuming you are
on Debian stable)
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966 [09:30:11] <mar77i> ...it doesn't.
967 [09:30:32] <dutchfish> mar77i, is this a server setup?
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970 [09:31:24] <mar77i> it's my partner's laptop.
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972 [09:32:01] <dutchfish> mar77i, ok, at least the
packagemanager is fine, have you checked the log files?
973 [09:32:33] <rhizome> as a rule it doesn't really leave
superfluous files laying around
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975 [09:32:49] <dutchfish> rhizome, partly true, yes
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977 [09:33:27] <rhizome> almost certainly nothing that needs
finding
978 [09:33:32] <dutchfish> rhizome, there are niche cases
however, it won't
979 [09:34:04] <dutchfish> rhizome, specially on a wifi
connection
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982 [09:35:30] <dutchfish> mar77i, check your log files, if
nothing blatently pops out you are good to go
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984 [09:36:31] <mar77i> ok
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990 [09:40:09] <dutchfish> mar77i, you can also check
`journalctl` and `systemctl status` which gives a clue about current
status and boot (read the debian wiki about it)
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994 [09:42:41] <pingfloyd> mar77i: you mean like residual config
from packages that were removed in the process?
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1003 [09:48:15] <mar77i> pingfloyd: that too, I guess?
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1008 [09:49:16] <mar77i> actually I'm still investigating an
error I saw during boot, I'll check back once it's sorted
out
1009 [09:49:17] <pingfloyd> mar77i: dpkg -l | grep '^rc'
| awk '{print $2}' | xargs sudo apt-get purge
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1011 [09:49:49] <dutchfish> warning, dont purge if you have
manually configured alot of config files, unless you have backups of
that system
1012 [09:49:49] <pingfloyd> mar77i: that will remove all residual
configuration
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1015 [09:50:27] <pingfloyd> mar77i: to just check it: dpkg -l |
grep '^rc'
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1017 [09:51:26] <mar77i> yup, there are a few
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1019 [09:51:37] <pingfloyd> personally, I wouldn't worry too
much about residual config, they don't take much space
1020 [09:51:49] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, true
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1025 [09:52:28] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, i prefer to leave them,
unless space is a tight pants
1026 [09:53:03] <pingfloyd> if you've done a lot of custom
system-wide configuration, it's better to keep them around
(except maybe on a case by case basis) as they may come in handy
down the road.
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1028 [09:53:06] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, they saved my xxx quiet a
few times
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1033 [09:54:08] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, but a good backup policy is
better
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1035 [09:54:12] <mar77i> I'll look into that.
1036 [09:54:22] <pingfloyd> should always have backups, period.
1037 [09:54:29] * dutchfish nods
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1045 [09:55:58] <pingfloyd> even a shitty backup strategy is
better than no backup, because often you can piece things together
in spite of it with minimal loss
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1048 [09:56:19] <dutchfish> pingfloyd, i rest my case ;)
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1060 [09:58:52] <pingfloyd> the only reason I say that, is because
I think a lot of people put it off because of the difficulty to have
a really good one sometimes
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1083 [10:20:05] <mar77i> ugh. people on the internet actually
recommend using a symlink ln -s /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libudev.so.1
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libudev.so.0 ...
1084 [10:21:26] <mar77i> can I install a package that contains
that file in a genuine way?
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1090 [10:22:51] <pingfloyd> mar77i: why are they recommending
that? Usually you shouldn't have to worry about that.
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1093 [10:24:34] <mar77i> yeah. partner needs vmware horizon
client. and there was that boot message that reported that one of
the tools there doesn't run. I investigated the error; error
while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0
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1095 [10:26:35] <mar77i> usually I expect bad things to happen so
version bumps happen for a reason. otoh, apt-file doesn't
return a result for me.
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1099 [10:28:38] <AxldenieD> Hello
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1107 [10:31:57] <pingfloyd> mar77i: usually that's not a good
idea
1108 [10:32:09] <pingfloyd> mar77i: there can be major differences
between major versions
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1111 [10:33:02] <pingfloyd> like major ABI changes
1112 [10:33:42] <kevr> Hello. I'm trying to setup
docker-engine on stretch, but cgroupfs-mount gives me an error about
cgroupfs-mount failing to start
1113 [10:33:45] <kevr> but no real information
1114 [10:34:19] <dutchfish> mar77i, you probably want 1.6.5, if
you are on a newer debian system, fyi
1115 [10:34:54] <dutchfish> mar77i, libudev.so.1.6.5
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1120 [10:36:50] <kevr> now it's causing issues during any apt
interaction
1121 [10:37:49] <mar77i> I think this appears to work, until
partner actually tries to use usb redirection, at least.
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1124 [10:38:08] <mar77i> thanks, in any case. :)
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1126 [10:39:29] <AxldenieD> Hey, i'm using SSH ton
communicate with my debian server, i juste changed the serv IP,
after that i can't authenticate anymore, with the right
password, i always have an "Access denied" error. Does
anyone have any idea about this problem please ?
1127 [10:40:56] <stephanie92> how safe is it to use ntp these
days?
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1129 [10:41:20] <stephanie92> Wanted to install ntp on a server,
but would rather not jeopardize security
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1141 [10:46:47] <dutchfish> stephanie92, i use dedicated ntp boxes
just for that in an dmz zone
1142 [10:47:05] <stephanie92> dutchfish: :O okay
1143 [10:47:14] <dutchfish> stephanie92, but it all depends on
your security concerns
1144 [10:48:10] <stephanie92> dutchfish: okay, thanks
1145 [10:48:10] <dutchfish> stephanie92, in a datacentre, use
trusted cherrypciked ntp servers, most of them are serviced by
qualified people
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1147 [10:48:19] <stephanie92> yeah
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1154 [10:50:42] <dutchfish> stephanie92, also delve in chrony or
ntp security on the time list, if intrested
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1157 [10:51:19] <dutchfish> stephanie92, ntp works fine but has
its caveats
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1160 [10:52:33] <stephanie92> dutchfish: ya, sounds good ;)
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1192 [11:05:35] <foocraft> is there any way to reinstall the
gnome-desktop task?
1193 [11:05:54] <foocraft> I seemed to have misconfigured my
graphical.target setup(or whatever else can cause gdm not to start
automatically on startup)
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1195 [11:06:12] <foocraft> systemctl enable gdm doesn't work
as well
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1198 [11:07:04] <deego> foocraft: tasksel
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1200 [11:07:14] <foocraft> tasksel install gnome-desktop
1201 [11:07:21] <foocraft> doesn't seem to cut it either
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1207 [11:09:02] <nbags> foocraft: do those commands error?
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1209 [11:09:21] <nbags> what about systemctl enable
display-manager
1210 [11:09:39] <nbags> or apt-get install --reinstall gdm
1211 [11:09:44] <nbags> or dpkg-reconfigure gdm
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1219 [11:12:50] <foocraft> they don't error, they simply
don't cause gdm to start on startup
1220 [11:12:54] <foocraft> hmm, let me try this
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1222 [11:13:27] <foocraft> there's no such unit, systemctl
says
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1225 [11:14:13] <foocraft> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
1226 [11:14:13] <foocraft> gdm.service is not active, cannot
reload.
1227 [11:14:13] <foocraft> invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm3, action
"reload" failed.
1228 [11:14:25] <foocraft> I had to systemctl start gdm
1229 [11:15:43] <foocraft> maybe I should try dpkg-reconfigure
gnome-desktop?
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1238 [11:19:55] <Orbstheorem> Hello, can you tell me why the
postgresql.service file has /bin/true as ExecStart?
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1265 [11:38:12] <pdo_fn14> whats? is't true you're
discontinue virtualbox security bugfix for stable version?.
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1293 [11:47:47] <anddam> hello
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1295 [11:48:39] <anddam> how can I remount root partition
read-only? 'sudo mount --verbose -o remount,ro /' says
just 'mount: / is busy'
1296 [11:49:38] <anddam> just in order to avoid an XY problem: I
want to remount ro in order to check the ext4 fs
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1304 [11:55:29] <jelly> anddam: since you have to reboot after the
fsck anyway, why not switch to single-user first
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1311 [11:56:21] <jelly> dunno what --verbose does, but mount -n -o
remount,ro / ought to work
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1313 [11:56:39] <jelly> and -n is basically just cosmetics
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1315 [11:58:35] <anddam> jelly: oh I didn't even notice I had
tried verbose
1316 [11:58:56] <anddam> jelly: it's a headless NUC I have on
the desktop, along with my laptop, so I'd prefer a
"live" way
1317 [11:59:11] <anddam> why is rebooting after fsck necessary?
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1328 [12:06:43] <anddam> jelly: I tried verbose hoping to get more
info about what was keeping the device busy
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1331 [12:07:28] <jelly> fsck works on contents of the filesystem
directly, and kernel's notion of what's on disk will not
be correct if fsck does ANY changes
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1335 [12:08:27] <jelly> so remounting back to rw isn't
possible (or maybe just isn't sane) without an unmount first
1336 [12:08:39] <mrrhq> You can't remount / while you're
using it, I think.
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1338 [12:08:57] <mrrhq> If you do "lsof /", you'll
see why.
1339 [12:09:00] <anddam> similar to the way partprobe is used to
reload devices partition tables after they have been modified,
right?
1340 [12:09:18] <anddam> mrrhq: that's what I tried, ofc I
got *plenty* of entries
1341 [12:09:29] <anddam> can I check without modification?
1342 [12:09:48] <jelly> mrrhq: you're always using it. And it
works, only, apparently, sometimes it does not
1343 [12:09:49] <anddam> so if fsck find something should be
corrected I'll plug in a monitor and go single mode
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1347 [12:10:32] <anddam> -n seems to be the proper option, not
sure if it'll accept a rw system
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1349 [12:10:35] <jelly> anddam: if your root fs is on LVM, and you
have some free space in that GVG, you can do a snapshot and fsck
that.
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1351 [12:11:20] <jelly> I have no idea which circumstances make
mount not want to remount,ro /
1352 [12:11:27] <mrrhq> So what problem are you really trying to
solve? Do you want it to perminantly stay read-only?
1353 [12:11:32] <anddam> it's clean, apart 'Warning:
skipping journal recovery because doing a read-only filesystem
check.'
1354 [12:11:50] <jelly> that's fine
1355 [12:11:56] <jelly> and expected
1356 [12:12:05] <mrrhq> Oh okay, sorry. I just read above.
1357 [12:12:17] <anddam> mrrhq: no I just had a power loss and the
NUC isn't attached to an UPS
1358 [12:12:37] <anddam> so I thought checking was a good
operation to perform
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1360 [12:12:54] <mrrhq> You'll want to boot into live debian,
and use fsck from there. That's all I'll say. :p
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1362 [12:13:15] <jelly> anddam: so you want to do a fsck because..
you saw a warning given by fsck at boot? :-)
1363 [12:13:34] <anddam> jelly: no
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1365 [12:13:42] <jelly> anddam: when did 'Warning: skipping
journal recovery because doing a read-only filesystem check.'
happen then?
1366 [12:13:42] <anddam> also how would I check that on a headless
box, journalctl?
1367 [12:13:57] <mrrhq> He said he wanted to check the filesystem
in case.
1368 [12:14:02] <anddam> jelly: when I just manually checked sudo
fsck -n /
1369 [12:14:13] <jelly> aight
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1371 [12:14:33] <anddam> a few lines up in the scrollback
1372 [12:14:36] <kevr> how can i fix a post/pre install error on
apt-get thats stopping me from doing anything with apt?
1373 [12:14:37] <jelly> so it's clean
1374 [12:14:44] <anddam> ok, thanks for the info
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1376 [12:15:07] <anddam> kevr: I'd start pasting the error
1377 [12:15:20] <mrrhq> journalctl -xb and using / to search works
best for me.
1378 [12:15:31] <mrrhq> At least systemd helps keep logs in one
place.
1379 [12:15:40] <jelly> anddam: does "mount" say / is
mounted rw now?
1380 [12:16:34] <jelly> kevr: it depends. For a start,
1381 [12:16:39] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
1382 [12:16:40] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1386 [12:17:55] <anddam> jelly: yes it does, "on / type ext4
(rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)"
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1389 [12:18:38] <jelly> good, so the remount actually did not work
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1391 [12:19:06] <anddam> jelly: it did not
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1393 [12:19:15] <anddam> I always got the "is busy"
error
1394 [12:19:36] <anddam> I remember a long time ago I used to
remount,ro root, and you suggested it should have gone through as
well
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1396 [12:20:02] <anddam> I blame systemd
1397 [12:20:06] <anddam> for no particular reason
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1402 [12:22:58] <gebruiker> what is the most valueable programming
language to contribute to debian? I think perl because it is in the
base install and bash for sripting for packageing. Thoughts?
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1408 [12:24:30] <mrrhq> You mean what software written in whatever
language should be contributed to Debian?
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1411 [12:24:38] <mrrhq> Anything with compatible libs, probably.
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1414 [12:27:02] <anddam> meh, "perl" and "most
valuable" in the same sentence? I don't know
1415 [12:27:13] <anddam> (flame war arises)
1416 [12:27:21] <anddam> ;-)
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1421 [12:29:30] <mrrhq> Debian requires libraries for C, Python,
Perl, Bash, sh/dash, not sure about C++, but I think so.
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1423 [12:30:23] <pingfloyd> gebruiker: I'd say so. apt-cache
rdepends perl | wc -l
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1426 [12:30:58] <mrrhq> pingfloyd: Haha, yes. I wondered if I
forgot anything.
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1429 [12:31:14] <pingfloyd> though python comes out with a
slightly higher count
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1431 [12:31:34] <pingfloyd> but it's not really the most
accurate assessment, but it gives some ballpark idea
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1435 [12:33:40] <mrrhq> Python 2, but not Python 3.
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1439 [12:34:56] <mrrhq> There's also like 3 different C++
libs: libc++, libcpp, and libstdc++
1440 [12:35:06] <mrrhq> I think libc++ is not a required one.
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1442 [12:35:20] <pingfloyd> also perl6 is practically a new
language in a way from perl5
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1445 [12:36:53] <mrrhq> Nvm, it's libstdc++
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1447 [12:37:07] <pingfloyd> but I think it's going to be a
long while before it is anywhere near as pervasiveness as 5
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1449 [12:40:30] <mrrhq> I think scripting languages tend to have a
more flexible and changing syntax, comparted to most compiled
languages. I've noticed that.
1450 [12:40:40] <mrrhq> *compared
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1503 [13:27:56] <elli> hi, how install Pantheon 0.4 for debian
1504 [13:28:05] <elli> pls help :)
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1507 [13:28:20] <elli> Pantheon 0.4 new elementary loki
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1511 [13:28:35] <elli> debina 8.6
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1514 [13:31:15] <cypher__> hi
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1600 [14:07:17] <polx> China
1601 [14:07:28] <polx> LVY
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1608 [14:09:54] <ksk> hey guys. Im kind of getting insane trying
to teach my grub (via grubreboot) to choose the right (sub)entry. I
read the internets about using a "$mainentry>$subentry"
syntax, so I tried things like "0>3" (first entry
visible(which opens a menu) and then the 4th entry from the top in
that menu
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1611 [14:10:42] <ksk> ). But I end up choosing the 4h entry in the
mainmenu, like memcheck. Am I doing it wrong?
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1614 [14:11:41] <cybrNaut> grub drives me apeshit
1615 [14:11:56] <ksk> I used to understand the
/etc/grub.d/10_linux output, but this kind of differs from what I
see in the real grub-menu on bootup.
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1617 [14:12:14] * cybrNaut will wait for grub to evolve more before
trying anything fancy
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1620 [14:12:38] <ksk> booting the "right" kernel is not
that fancy :P
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1624 [14:13:34] <cybrNaut> if the (fragile) grub setup process
finds all the boot volumes, I have been able to change the default
1625 [14:13:55] <cybrNaut> apart from that it's often a
disaster
1626 [14:15:24] <cybrNaut> at one point I fucked the grub menu up
and had to boot grub from an external disk, only to direct it
manually to boot an internal volume every bootup
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1637 [14:24:02] <ksk> you are doing it wrong probably ;)
1638 [14:24:14] <ksk> we use it in production, I just did not dig
it..
1639 [14:24:35] <JyZyXEL> is it possible to have
unattended-upgrades email you when a security update requires some
part of the system to restart?
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1644 [14:25:54] <ksk> JyZyXEL: there was a tool in some
debian-goodies package, checkrestart if I recall correctly, that
could check for needed restart (but not just for security)
1645 [14:26:16] <ksk> dunno if theres ready to use scripted foo
around it - or if it already has wanted feature
1646 [14:26:22] <danke> needrestart too i think
1647 [14:26:38] <JyZyXEL> too? there are two toold?
1648 [14:26:42] <JyZyXEL> tools*
1649 [14:26:58] <danke>
replaced-url
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1651 [14:27:26] <JyZyXEL> i've used needrstart for years
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1653 [14:27:40] <danke> it seems like apt upgrade seems to run
needrestart after it's done
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1655 [14:28:02] <JyZyXEL> do you get email about that with
unattended-upgrades?
1656 [14:28:03] <danke> at least i get notification of what needs
restarting without having to manually run needrestart
1657 [14:28:08] <danke> not sure how that works...
1658 [14:28:27] <danke> i haven't setup unattended upgrades,
sorry
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1661 [14:29:26] <JyZyXEL> it's pretty irresponsible not
having it
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1664 [14:30:36] <JyZyXEL> does needrestart hook execute when
unattended-upgrades does its thing?
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1666 [14:31:01] <JyZyXEL> and if it does, does it send an email
about it?
1667 [14:31:21] <JyZyXEL> because i think it should, otherwise you
are just getting false sense of security
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1669 [14:31:35] <danke> i use apticron, and i'm subbed to the
security mailing list...
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1671 [14:33:47] <JyZyXEL> ah, so there is an alternative system
1672 [14:34:00] <JyZyXEL> i thought unattended was the only one
1673 [14:34:05] <ksk> there are many? :o
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1675 [14:34:39] <ksk> Id suppose every config managment like chef
ansible puppet saltstack have such things
1676 [14:34:40] <danke> there are always many tools for a job!
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1683 [14:37:05] <JyZyXEL> ill see what happens if i start using
both
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1685 [14:37:47] <gnu2> my gt730 won't output to vga after X
is init, just black screen
1686 [14:37:50] <gnu2> dmesg:
replaced-url
1687 [14:37:52] <gnu2> Xorg.0.log:
replaced-url
1688 [14:37:55] <gnu2>
1689 [14:37:57] <gnu2> help!!!!
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1691 [14:38:00] <gnu2> my gt730 won't output to vga after X
is init, just black screen
1692 [14:38:02] <gnu2> dmesg:
replaced-url
1693 [14:38:05] <gnu2> Xorg.0.log:
replaced-url
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1699 [14:41:50] <ksk> So, I guess I have been doing it wrong and
what I really wanted was grub_reboot "1>2". brb ;)
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1719 [14:47:41] <ani> hi
1720 [14:47:47] <rochelimit> gnu2, I don't see any errors in
the files. But you seem to be using a nine year old version of Xorg
server and an eight year old kernel. Is the rest of your machine so
old? Could me a hardware failure.
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1722 [14:48:21] <ani> anyone upgrade cinnamon 2.4 to 2.8?
1723 [14:48:25] <ani> or 3.0
1724 [14:49:11] <TomTomTosch> 3.0 is in jessie-backports
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1726 [14:49:16] <TomTomTosch> ,v cinnamon
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1728 [14:49:17] <judd> Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- jessie:
2.2.16-5; jessie-backports: 3.0.4-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.0.7-2; sid:
3.0.7-2
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1735 [14:50:02] <TomTomTosch>
replaced-url
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1739 [14:50:11] <ani> TomTomTosch: and after upgrade all work
fine?
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1742 [14:50:32] <TomTomTosch> havn't tried it.
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1744 [14:50:46] <ani> it is point
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1747 [14:51:15] <ani> don't want catch crach or fail boot
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1749 [14:51:20] <ani> crash*
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1751 [14:51:59] <TomTomTosch> you can always remove it and
reinstall the one from stable if it doesn't work.
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1756 [14:53:41] <ani> if config's update, reinstall to older
won't work, only create backups
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1759 [14:54:19] <ani> who now's new configs compatible wit
old versions
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1761 [14:54:41] <TomTomTosch> that's why you need to remove
it completely first. purge that is.
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1767 [14:55:36] <ani> and loose my configs ?
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1772 [14:56:12] <TomTomTosch> save the ones that you need.
1773 [14:56:22] <ani> too lazy)
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1777 [14:57:05] <ani> becose of what i ask about upgrade)
1778 [14:57:55] <ani> whatever, thx for help)
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1832 [15:23:14] <Bonn333> Hi :)
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1850 [15:28:52] <BrahRah> I was able to get my vps files into a
virtualbox guest OS. I just copied everything on a fresh deb8
install (vps is also deb8) but it didn't work. Which folders
should I omit to make this work?
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1866 [15:40:03] <stephanie92> Hey guys, do you think it would be a
risk to install a custom kde theme on debian, from something like
kde-look.org
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1869 [15:41:04] <Z3r0> anyone here have good hands on experience
on Blueliv product?
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1876 [15:43:34] <smile123> hello
1877 [15:43:36] <smile123> i make one new partision
1878 [15:43:38] <smile123> but in this partision i can not make
anythig folder etc
1879 [15:43:40] <smile123> how can change premision in this
partision?
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1884 [15:46:21] <EddieHyde> did you try gparted?
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1886 [15:46:50] <zykotick9> smile123: what filesystem are you
using? if it's ext2/3/4 you can just chown/chmod the mount
point (while it's mounted).
1887 [15:47:10] <Hello71> !doesntwork
1888 [15:47:11] <smile123> ext4
1889 [15:47:13] <Hello71> aww
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1892 [15:47:40] <smile123> aaa ok thx
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1921 [16:01:19] <r0ckl0bst3r> .
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1937 [16:09:10] <tdn> As I am finding that I no longer have any
working DVD player and only a single desktop machine with a DVD
drive, I want to copy all my DVDs to local hard drive. Preferably in
a format that will work on various devices (mp4). I have now tried
using handbrake, but some DVDs does not seem to work. However, when
I play those same DVDs in VLC, they work just fine. I figure this is
related to libdvdcss, however, I have already installed the nonfree
libdvdcss. What can c
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1959 [16:18:11] <frostschutz> tdn, makemkv? mplayer -dumpstream?
[and then handbrake the files you get out of it if you so desire].
I'm not familiar with VLC, maybe that can dump to file too
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1962 [16:18:48] <tdn> frostschutz, can I use the mplayer included
in debian? Or do I need a special one?
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1964 [16:19:19] <frostschutz> tdn, debian is a server distro for
me - sorry, you'll just have to try it yourself :)
1965 [16:19:20] <tdn> frostschutz, just mplayer -dumpstream
/dev/sr0 ?
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1968 [16:20:24] <frostschutz> that or dvd://tracknumber or
something.
1969 [16:20:54] <frostschutz> try without -dumpstream first, so
you can see what it's playing, if it's the thing you want,
then you add -dumpstream
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1972 [16:21:24] <nbags> tdn: you can use vlc, its
'Convert/Save' under the File menu
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1974 [16:22:42] <nbags> sorry, under the 'Media' menu
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1987 [16:28:47] <Agiofws> hello
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1997 [16:30:52] <Agiofws> if i have Xorg and gdm3 up with PIDS is
it possible to connect to the machine via a gui and not via ssh ftb
?
1998 [16:31:08] <Agiofws> what do i have to install on the
headless host?
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2000 [16:31:14] <Agiofws> vnc server?
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2033 [16:40:20] <tdn> nbags, I have tried that. It does not really
seem to work.. It either gets stuck somewhere, or the file produced
is too short or both.
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2071 [16:51:44] <jamesl> how would I re-redirect a process output
to stdout of the current terminal? I ran "aptitude
full-upgrade" on another terminal but now I need to redirect
the output to another terminal, how would I do that?
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2074 [16:52:22] <Agiofws> with screen? not sure though
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2076 [16:52:46] <jamesl> It's not running in a screen session
2077 [16:53:12] <jamesl> I can see the process is running with
htop, but it's not outputting to the right terminal so I
can't see its progress
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2084 [16:54:56] <liefer> Lets say i have 2 harddrives that i want
to run in RAID. Would it be possible to have it setup such that each
hdd has 2 partitions (a1, b1, a2, b2) and have partition a1 and a2
mirror/replicate eachother but b1 and b2 not (that is, b1 and b2 is
set up to give maximum space)
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2122 [17:08:35] <jamesl>
replaced-url
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2125 [17:09:15] <at0m> jamesl: i'd try apt -f install
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2145 [17:14:59] <jamesl> well now I have a different problem, the
version of libc6 I'm installing as a dependency is not
compatible with my kernel version, and I can't upgrade the
kernel because this is an openVZ VPS
2146 [17:15:09] <jamesl> I might try going back to jessie
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2154 [17:17:18] <jamesl> installation cannot contiune and I'm
left with a broken, half-upgraded OS
2155 [17:17:21] <jamesl> nontiune*
2156 [17:17:23] <jamesl> continue
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2179 [17:23:03] <BrahRah> I want to make a bootable img of my
debian8 vps I've found this: dd if=/dev/sda1 | gzip -1 - | ssh
user@local dd of=sda1.img
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2181 [17:23:17] <BrahRah> I'm not sure how to use this
command
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2183 [17:23:41] <BrahRah> do I need ssh server on my client in
order for this to work?
2184 [17:23:42] <_elik> I just installed debian by flashing the
dvd to usb. I'm now booted and trying to install some packages,
but I can't mount the image: No medium found on /dev/sdX
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2186 [17:24:25] <missmbob> _elik: how did you copy the iso to usb?
2187 [17:24:30] <_elik> cp
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2189 [17:24:41] <_elik> cp blah.iso /dev/sdX
2190 [17:24:46] <Agiofws> hey guys can someone give me some quick
info on how to connect remotely to a desktop with what software?
2191 [17:24:51] <Agiofws> hello missmbob
2192 [17:24:53] <Acn> just copying is cp
2193 [17:25:00] <han-solo> WHATTTTTTT?
2194 [17:25:03] <Agiofws> the DE i want to connect to is headless
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2198 [17:25:16] <Agiofws> rdp? vnc ?
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2201 [17:25:22] <_elik> Agiofws: ssh
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2203 [17:25:33] <Agiofws> i have ssh to the host
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2205 [17:25:48] <_elik> Agiofws: ssh -X if you want to forward
graphical applications
2206 [17:26:04] <Agiofws> forward?
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2209 [17:26:29] <_elik> Agiofws: you need graphical applications?
2210 [17:26:32] <Agiofws> i want to control the gui from another
host
2211 [17:26:36] <Agiofws> yes
2212 [17:26:54] <Agiofws> i need it configure wifi via gui
2213 [17:27:04] <Agiofws> because now its connected via ethernet
2214 [17:27:12] <Agiofws> do i need vncserver?
2215 [17:27:16] <Agiofws> rdp ?
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2217 [17:27:24] <Agiofws> tightvnc ?
2218 [17:27:24] <_elik> Agiofws: well, vnc allows you to see the
remote desktop
2219 [17:27:26] <Agiofws> vino?
2220 [17:27:37] <Agiofws> what about controlling it?
2221 [17:28:08] <_elik> Agiofws: it allows you to control it too
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2223 [17:28:25] <wonderworld> Agiofws: you nee a vnc-server on the
remote host and a vnc viewer on the local machine
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2226 [17:28:49] <_elik> missmbob: What I could find pointed to a
bad partition type, an answer on askubuntu I think
2227 [17:28:56] <gnu_> can you please fucking help me
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2229 [17:29:32] <AimHere> gnu_, we don't know. You've
not said what you need help with yet
2230 [17:29:39] <gnu_> my gt730 won't output to vga after X
is init, just black screen (Both VGA and DVI). Once screen goes
black, can connect to SSH, but won't create shell.
2231 [17:29:42] <gnu_> dmesg:
replaced-url
2232 [17:29:44] <gnu_> Xorg.0.log:
replaced-url
2233 [17:29:49] <gnu_> AimHere I said it an hour ago
2234 [17:29:54] <gnu_> you just fucking ignored me
2235 [17:30:01] <gnu_> like I was a piece of fucking dirt
2236 [17:30:08] <_elik> gnu_: with that attitude
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2238 [17:30:17] <_elik> gnu_: you are not going to get much help
2239 [17:30:34] <gnu_> _elik: the other attitude didn't get
me much help either
2240 [17:30:43] <gnu_> NVIDIA told me to fuck off untill monday
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2243 [17:31:04] <gnu_>
replaced-url
2244 [17:31:07] <gnu_> are met:
2245 [17:31:14] <gnu_> Linux version 2.6.24-31-server (buildd@replaced-ip ) (gcc version 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu3)) #1 SMP Tue Feb 14
14:08:16 UTC 2012
2246 [17:31:17] <gnu_> X.Org X Server 1.4.0.90
2247 [17:31:20] <gnu_> module-init-tools version 3.3-pre11
2248 [17:31:23] <gnu_> ldd --version : ldd (GNU libc) 2.7
2249 [17:31:25] <gnu_> /usr/local/lib/libvdpau (version 0.2)
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2256 [17:33:17] <TomTomTosch> we don't support ubuntu in
here. -> #ubuntu
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2260 [17:34:01] <gnu_> TomTomTosch: go and FUCK yourself
2261 [17:34:07] <TomTomTosch> no thanks.
2262 [17:34:14] <gnu_> TomTomTosch: time and place let's
fight you piece of shit
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2265 [17:34:36] <gnu_> ubuntu just whines iinssttalll laaatteessst
vvveerrssiioonn
2266 [17:34:38] <gnu_> theey cannot
2267 [17:34:40] <gnu_> help
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2269 [17:34:45] <gnu_> this is a 2008 install
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2271 [17:34:53] <gnu_> nvidia has always worked nomatter what
2272 [17:34:55] <gnu_> now it does not
2273 [17:34:57] <TomTomTosch> !ops gnu_ anger issues
2274 [17:34:57] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch
complains about: gnu_ anger issues
2275 [17:35:02] <Acn> lol
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2277 [17:35:08] <gnu_> but I have greater than the min
requirements
2278 [17:35:10] <_elik> TomTomTosch++
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2280 [17:35:24] <jelly> gnu_: be nice to others, please
2281 [17:35:35] <gnu_> jelly: help me make nvidia work
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2283 [17:35:44] <gnu_> NVIDIA refuses to help me
2284 [17:35:50] <gnu_> (their support)
2285 [17:35:53] * jamesl refuses to help
2286 [17:35:59] <gnu_> ofcourse it was some fucking indian guy
2287 [17:36:04] <gnu_> who only knows windows
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2289 [17:36:11] <gnu_> and is a faggot like you people here
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2296 [17:37:03] <jelly> gnu_: you're on a 15 minutes cool
down period, if you want volunteer help, you'll have to ask
nicely.
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2305 [17:38:14] <jelly> it should not be hard to avoid venting
frustration AT someone who might help
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2308 [17:39:29] <_elik> I can't remount installation cd
(flashed to usb) after I boot into debian: No medium found on
/dev/sdX
2309 [17:40:42] <TomTomTosch> does dmesg show the device when you
plug it in?
2310 [17:41:21] <careta> something weird happened to my synaptic,
the top bar doesn't have any buttons
2311 [17:41:27] <careta> I lost the buttons somehow
2312 [17:41:43] <BrahRah> does anyone know a vps provider with
downloadable backups in form of images that are bootable?
2313 [17:42:15] <han-solo> careta : can you see a settings menu?
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2316 [17:42:34] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
2317 [17:42:52] <NapoleonWils0n> im trying to get copy and paste
working with rxvt-unicode-256color
2318 [17:43:06] <NapoleonWils0n> but its just not working
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2323 [17:43:24] <_elik> TomTomTosch: well damn, somehow pulling
the usb stick and plugging it back in worked
2324 [17:43:36] <NapoleonWils0n> should i be using rxvt-unicode
instead of rxvt-unicode-256colors
2325 [17:43:41] <_elik> TomTomTosch: it previously only had a sdb
node, no partitions (sdb1, etc)
2326 [17:44:01] <jelly> not that many apps work with 256 color
support anyway
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2329 [17:44:21] <NapoleonWils0n> ill try unisalling and install
standard version
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2332 [17:44:44] <careta> han-solo, I see the file menu, and
there's a big blank space between that and the rest of the
window where the buttons should be
2333 [17:44:52] <han-solo> i think, dd should be preffered to copy
isos
2334 [17:44:59] <careta> and actually, the buttons are there as if
I click where they should be, they work. But nothing is displayed
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2336 [17:45:27] <_elik> TomTomTosch: looked too far too fast,
thanks mate!
2337 [17:46:01] <TomTomTosch> _elik: no problem. ^^
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2339 [17:46:06] <han-solo> that's weird
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2342 [17:47:41] <TomTomTosch> han-solo: the installation guide
uses cp. it doesn't make a difference for this.
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2353 [17:52:12] <NapoleonWils0n> rxvt copy and paste not working
even with Xresources do i need to dowload the perl extensions
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2355 [17:53:07] <humbot> two-button click ?
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2357 [17:53:55] <NapoleonWils0n> no mouse
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2360 [17:55:56] <jelly> how are you doing selection without mouse?
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2363 [17:56:33] <NapoleonWils0n> you can just drag across text and
its auto selected for copying
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2365 [17:56:56] <hewlett> hello is there a debian off topic room?
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2367 [17:57:10] <hewlett> oops
2368 [17:57:12] <hewlett> found it+
2369 [17:57:13] <jamesl> hewlettâ–¸ check the topic
2370 [17:57:13] <NapoleonWils0n> also gvim -v not working as
default editor
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2372 [17:57:23] <hewlett> yeah thanks
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2376 [17:58:08] <hewlett> take good care -guys god bless
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2381 [17:58:34] <NapoleonWils0n> i have vim.gtk installed not sure
if i need to set editor to gvim -v, vim or vim.gtk
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2390 [18:00:35] <NapoleonWils0n> no copy and paste from X is kind
of a dealbreaker
2391 [18:01:11] <jelly> NapoleonWils0n: huh, drag with no mouse,
how?
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2394 [18:01:38] <NapoleonWils0n> i have a trackpad on laptop
2395 [18:01:56] <NapoleonWils0n> just hightlight text and then
paste in to X
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2397 [18:02:00] <abrotman> it has no buttons?
2398 [18:02:09] <jelly> eh, that's a mouse as well
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2400 [18:02:24] <NapoleonWils0n> i have no middle click
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2402 [18:02:43] <abrotman> do you have two buttons?
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2407 [18:03:35] <abrotman> If you have two existing mouse buttons,
you can configure X to treat clicking both at the same time as a
middle click
2408 [18:04:00] <NapoleonWils0n> no its a trackpad
2409 [18:04:07] <NapoleonWils0n> works perfectly on arch
2410 [18:04:09] <abrotman> So there are zero buttons?
2411 [18:04:29] <NapoleonWils0n> yes its a trackpad using macair
with debian and i3wm
2412 [18:04:32] * abrotman is typing on a laptop with a trackpad, with
two mouse buttons ..
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2415 [18:04:47] * jamesl is typing on a laptop with a trackpad, with 5
buttons
2416 [18:04:48] <gnu_> my gt730 won't output to vga after X
is init, just black screen (Both VGA and DVI). Once screen goes
black, can connect to SSH, but won't create shell.
2417 [18:04:51] <gnu_> something to note: with X not on I can ssh
in. Once X is on and goes black, I get an SSH greeting, password
prompt, but when I enter the password never a login: it hangs.
2418 [18:04:58] <NapoleonWils0n> i have perl-ext-common in my
Xresources
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2420 [18:05:26] <missmbob> gnu_: you really need to understand
that this is #debian and we don't support ubuntu. go to #ubuntu
2421 [18:05:50] <gnu_> missmbob: 8.0.04.4 is more debian than
unbuntu
2422 [18:05:53] <gnu_> it's from 2008
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2424 [18:06:01] <abrotman> gnu_: irrevelant, go to #ubuntu
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2426 [18:06:19] <abrotman> irrelevant too ...
2427 [18:07:28] <gnu_> abrotman: ubuntu says just upgrade
2428 [18:07:37] <gnu_> I refuse
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2430 [18:07:51] <abrotman> gnu_: okay, but you're not getting
help here.
2431 [18:07:55] <jamesl> gnu_â–¸ why can't you upgrade?
2432 [18:08:02] <abrotman> jamesl: ask him in #ubuntu please
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2435 [18:08:29] <abrotman> gnu_: That's your last warning
from me, do not continue to ask questions about your Ubuntu
installation here
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2444 [18:10:50] <NapoleonWils0n> weird copy and paste work in vim
in terminal
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2446 [18:11:03] <NapoleonWils0n> but not in rxvt on the command
line
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2450 [18:13:17] <gnu_> abrotman: go fuck yourself
2451 [18:13:21] <gnu_> I'll do what I want
2452 [18:13:22] <NapoleonWils0n> seems like the perl extension
clipboard isnt in the perl library seach path
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2454 [18:13:27] <gnu_> and change IP at will
2455 [18:13:31] <NapoleonWils0n> have to install manually
2456 [18:13:54] <jamesl> gnu_â–¸ do what you want by all means but
we won't help you if you treat us like that
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2461 [18:14:13] *** gnu_ was kicked by abrotman (you should know better)
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2463 [18:14:15] <NapoleonWils0n> asking question about different
os is like trying to buy fish and chips at a bank
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2465 [18:14:46] <cra1g321> probably asking here cuz he's
likely been kicked/banned from ubuntu already
2466 [18:14:51] <missmbob> NapoleonWils0n: that's why i love
banks inside supermarkets.
2467 [18:14:57] <abrotman> I'm sure that attitude has a lot
to do with why he can't get help in #ubuntu
2468 [18:15:03] <TomTomTosch> no, he is getting help in #ubuntu
2469 [18:15:12] <abrotman> good, then he can stay there
2470 [18:15:21] <cra1g321> i'd have kicked from there too ;P
2471 [18:15:49] <NapoleonWils0n> i do find debian has a lot less
cruft than ubuntu, and its a pain to try and unpick everything it
adds
2472 [18:16:09] <LostSoul> Hi
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2474 [18:16:36] <LostSoul> Just quick question today, why Debian
(especially Jessie) comes without repos setup? (only cdrom)
2475 [18:16:36] <NapoleonWils0n> i have a debian video on youtube
2476 [18:16:38] <NapoleonWils0n>
replaced-url
2477 [18:16:54] <NapoleonWils0n> and some bash scripts to record
video from kodi
2478 [18:17:06] <TomTomTosch> LostSoul: that happens if you
don't have a working connection during installation.
2479 [18:17:19] <LostSoul> TomTomTosch: Aaa, got it :)
2480 [18:17:25] <TomTomTosch> !tell LostSoul about sources.list
2481 [18:17:33] <TomTomTosch> LostSoul: simple enough to fix it ^
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2483 [18:17:42] <Sircle> I am few commands away from setting up a
multiseatx. Can anyone help?
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2484 [18:17:48] <LostSoul> Strange in the same time as my VM
should have connection
2485 [18:17:53] <LostSoul> TomTomTosch: Hmm?
2486 [18:17:56] <LostSoul> I didn't get it TomTomTosch
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2488 [18:18:15] <TomTomTosch> the bot should have sent you a msg.
2489 [18:18:26] <LostSoul> I see!
2490 [18:18:32] <LostSoul> There it is, thanks TomTomTosch
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2493 [18:18:49] <Sircle> ?
2494 [18:18:51] <TomTomTosch> no problem ^^
2495 [18:20:26] <LostSoul> I promised one question but here is
another, what is advantage aptitude over apt?
2496 [18:20:54] <abrotman> LostSoul: not "advantage",
but different
2497 [18:21:13] <NapoleonWils0n> apt has a pretty progress bar
2498 [18:21:18] <abrotman> dpkg: tell LostSoul about why aptitude
2499 [18:21:37] <NapoleonWils0n> apt !apt-get
2500 [18:21:57] <abrotman> dpkg: tell NapoleonWils0n about apt-get
2501 [18:23:17] <missmbob> i really hate apt in jessie. stretch
version is nice. can't wait 'til it becomes stable
2502 [18:23:38] <hexnewbie> Is there an easy way to build a i386
library Debian package on an amd64 machine?
2503 [18:23:38] <LostSoul> Nice
2504 [18:23:39] * abrotman can't wait for the next tool ..
2505 [18:23:51] <LostSoul> Thanks abrotman
2506 [18:24:02] <abrotman> missmbob: I predict cupt will be next!
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2509 [18:24:15] <missmbob> heh
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2514 [18:26:10] <hexnewbie> Or at least any way to produce an
error that it can't build the package, instead of producing the
amd64 one over and over?
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2517 [18:26:47] <hexnewbie> So far I've been brute-forcing
commands, and I've reached: dpkg-architecture
--target-arch=i386 -c 'debuild --preserve-env
--set-envvar=AUTOCONF=/usr/bin/autoconf2.50 --target-arch=i386 -uc
-us -j4 '
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2519 [18:27:46] <missmbob> hexnewbie: you'd save yourself a
lot of pain by creating an i386 chroot
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2521 [18:28:33] <hexnewbie> missmbob: I guess so, but I was hoping
to get an error that would convince me to make that chroot, instead
of silently getting the amd64 package :)
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2523 [18:29:15] <hexnewbie> I should have all the dependencies
(-dev packages, libraries for both i386 and amd64), so there should
be a way to at least try :)
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2527 [18:31:21] <NapoleonWils0n> rxvt is using ctrl meta v and c
to copy and paste
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2529 [18:31:42] <NapoleonWils0n> need to change it to shift ctrl v
and c
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2533 [18:32:43] <airking> How can I start my mysql server?
/etc/init.d/mysql start does not work
2534 [18:32:50] <airking> It says the file/directory does nto
exist
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2536 [18:33:58] <NapoleonWils0n> doesnt it use systemctl
2537 [18:34:12] <mutante> airking: how about systemctl status
mysql
2538 [18:34:15] <NapoleonWils0n> something like sudo systemctl
start mysql
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2540 [18:34:37] <airking> mutante: systemctl: command not found
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2542 [18:35:04] <jelly> airking: which debian release?
2543 [18:35:42] <mutante> airking: are you sure the mysql package
is installed?
2544 [18:35:47] <mutante> dpkg -l | grep mysql ?
2545 [18:35:47] <dpkg> ii | grep mysql 1.9-5 mutante's
private porn collection
2546 [18:35:49] <airking> jelly: 7.8
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2548 [18:36:01] <mutante> dpkg: lol, that was nice
2549 [18:36:01] <dpkg> mutante: are you using Windows?
2550 [18:36:22] <airking> mutante: yes, it's installed,
mysql-server shows up in dpkg
2551 [18:36:59] <jelly> airking: pastebin the output of "dpkg
-l mysql-server\* " and maybe "grep mysql
/var/log/daemon.log | tail -n 200"
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2553 [18:37:07] <jelly> !paste
2554 [18:37:08] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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2556 [18:38:01] <airking> jelly:
replaced-url
2557 [18:39:34] <mutante> airking: it should normally be
"ii" not "iU" status
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2560 [18:39:56] <mutante> that U tells us something isnt installed
right / unpacked
2561 [18:39:59] <airking> mutante: SO where do I got from here?
2562 [18:40:16] <jelly> airking: apt-get install mysql-server-5.5
2563 [18:40:35] <mutante> airking: i would try to apt-get remove
--purge and apt-get install it again or what jelly said
2564 [18:40:43] <jelly> airking: did mysql server ever work on
this installation?
2565 [18:40:48] <mutante> then see if there are any errors during
install
2566 [18:40:56] <airking> jelly: nope
2567 [18:40:59] <airking> jelly: just installed it
2568 [18:41:14] <jelly> airking: can you show the full output of
your installation attempt?
2569 [18:41:25] <jelly> it did not complete successfully.
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2571 [18:41:37] <hexnewbie> missmbob: Thanks. That worked much
faster than I thought. (Except for having to kill exim4, atd, and
several other daemons inside the chroot. Ugh. I always hate that)
2572 [18:41:52] <airking> jelly: your thing worked
2573 [18:41:54] <airking> with the 5.5
2574 [18:42:21] <jelly> your machine is unpatched, btw
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2577 [18:42:34] <airking> jelly: what do you mean?
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2579 [18:42:42] <jelly> should be at 7.11 not 7.8
2580 [18:43:50] <missmbob> hexnewbie: this will show you how to
disable daemons from starting in the chroot.
wiki.debian.org/chroot#Configuration
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2583 [18:44:19] <hexnewbie> missmbob: Thanks :)
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2605 [18:57:11] <jelly> airking: just make sure the system is
up-to-date
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2611 [18:59:03] <unixuser> I have a kernel oops with the nvidia
driver when it starts up:
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2617 [19:01:32] <han-solo> unixuser: are you the the user named
_gnu?
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2619 [19:01:39] <han-solo> just askin'
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2624 [19:02:05] <TwistedFate> Can someone please recommend me a
good radio app for terminal/tty?
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2626 [19:02:12] <unixuser> han-solo: yes
2627 [19:02:20] <han-solo> okay
2628 [19:02:26] <tpw_rules> hey i'm having difficulty
mounting a file with a loop device on debian 8. " sudo mount -t
ext4 -o ro /media/media_store/root.img mnt" tells me
"mount: /media/media_store/root.img: failed to setup loop
device: No such file or directory". root.img exists at that
location
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2630 [19:02:41] <tpw_rules> lsmod | grep loop shows "loop
26605 0"
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2632 [19:03:56] <th0r> tpw_rules, you can't mount an img file
like that
2633 [19:04:07] <unixuser> can someone help
2634 [19:04:20] <mtn> unixuser: aren't you tired of getting
kicked out?
2635 [19:04:27] <tpw_rules> th0r: why not? it's not an iso,
it's a dd of an ext4 partition. that's just the extension
i gave it
2636 [19:04:36] <unixuser> I have a kernel oops with the nvidia
driver when it starts up:
replaced-url
2637 [19:04:39] <unixuser> I have a kernel oops with the nvidia
driver when it starts up:
replaced-url
2638 [19:04:42] <mtn> unixuser: aren't you tired of getting
kicked out?
2639 [19:04:57] <unixuser> mtn: not until my screen is not black
2640 [19:05:10] <mtn> unixuser: then get help on a site for your
os, not debian
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2642 [19:05:32] <unixuser> this is a kernel issue, not a distro
specific issue
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2644 [19:05:46] <mtn> unixuser: this is a site for only debian
support, no other.
2645 [19:05:49] <tpw_rules> losetup -f prints /dev/loop0 but
/dev/loop0 doesn't exist on my filesystem
2646 [19:06:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
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2650 [19:06:50] <tpw_rules> hm i can mount it on /dev/loop1
though. what happened to loop0? can i get it back?
2651 [19:07:12] <jelly> is that one persistent or what. Ubuntu
8.04 and a 2014 card and a nvidia driver? wat
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2661 [19:12:53] <stephanie92> hey guys, what permissions should
/etc/localtime have? Should it be 777'd
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2663 [19:13:49] <jelly> stephanie92: nothing in /etc should be
0777
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2665 [19:14:09] <missmbob> stephanie92: it's a link.
lrwxrwxrwx the actual file it points to should be -rw-r--r--
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2667 [19:14:35] <stephanie92> missmbob: okay, so it's the
actual link that is 777'd, not the symlink.. wasn't sure
2668 [19:14:49] <jelly> stephanie92: why do you ask?
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2670 [19:15:48] <stephanie92> jelly: because my localtime file is
777'd and so is the file it's symlinked to
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2673 [19:16:51] <stephanie92> jelly: And when i did ls -la
/usr/share/zoneinfo/US/ ..the timezone then is symlinked to
../posixrules
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2675 [19:17:09] <jelly> stephanie92: huh. Show the output of: ls
-ld /etc/localtime $(readlink -f /etc/localtime)
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2678 [19:17:49] <stephanie92> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3519 Jul 5
14:15 /usr/share/zoneinfo/posixrules
2679 [19:17:49] <stephanie92> interesting
2680 [19:18:23] <hexnewbie> For me, ‘dpkg-reconfigure
tzdata’ would copy the file, not symlink it, and then update
it during an upgrade. Never knew why it did it that way. So
I've never seen /etc/localtime being a symlink
2681 [19:18:28] <jelly> if that's the second line of the
output, looks fine to me
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2683 [19:18:51] <stephanie92> so i guess it is 644'd?
2684 [19:19:03] <stephanie92> jelly: okay great
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2688 [19:19:44] <jelly> stephanie92: beside readlink -f, you can
also use -L option for ls, eg: ls -lL /etc/localtime
2689 [19:19:46] <stephanie92> jelly: hmm oddly enough, it
didn't change it to eastern standard time xD
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2691 [19:19:55] <stephanie92> jelly: Okay :O
2692 [19:20:03] <jelly> what didn't change what
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2694 [19:20:17] <hexnewbie> posixrules is EDT?
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2697 [19:21:02] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: I don't even know
what posixrules are hahaha
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2699 [19:22:12] <stephanie92> i'm kinda a rookie ;3
2700 [19:22:15] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: Me neither. It just seems
that your timezone is set to posixrules, which (when I use it)
prints EDT time, and is also a symlink. Neither of those I've
seen before, though if you don't face any actual datetime
issue, I wouldn't worry about it.
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2703 [19:22:51] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: how should i go about
setting the local time then?
2704 [19:24:04] <missmbob> like with most things, archlinux has a
great wiki on it. wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Time#Time_zone
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2707 [19:25:39] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: To change the system
timezone, I usually run ‘dpkg-reconfigure tzdata’, for
my user or current console session, I just export the environmental
variable TZ=America/New_York for example. Or just show multiple
clock applets for different time zones.
2708 [19:25:40] <cra1g321>
replaced-url
2709 [19:26:37] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: Do you have an issue with
the time zone? I wouldn't touch it if you don't.
2710 [19:26:42] <missmbob> that debian wiki really needs updating
2711 [19:26:43] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: well i'm trying to
do it on over 20 VMs using ansible...
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2718 [19:27:51] <jelly> !ping
2719 [19:27:51] <dpkg> Yes, jelly you are either online or you are
not...
replaced-url
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2721 [19:29:43] <jelly> bogus-: please disable your script or bot
answering to !ping or any other line starting with '!' in
this channel.
2722 [19:30:16] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: You want eastern time on
these machines?
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2724 [19:30:33] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: yeah ;o
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2727 [19:31:38] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: Then the machine that
you're looking at is properly symlinked. Apparently all
zoneinfos for eastern time are symlinks to posixrules (whatever
that's supposed to mean), for example:
/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York -> ../posixrule
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2731 [19:33:28] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: yeah, i noticed haha as
of about 10 minutes ago
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2734 [19:34:12] <bogus-> ehrm ok jelly?
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2753 [19:47:47] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: weird, no matter where i
symlink the localtime to, it's like it's showing up
atleast an hour fast
2754 [19:48:17] <stephanie92> hexnewbie: even if i symlink to
/usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT-5
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2759 [19:50:19] <sascha> hey, i'd like to install php7.0 with
ZTS support. unfortunately, the dotdeb repo only has 5.6 with ZTS
and I prefer to have an existing repo rather than compiling
everything by myself
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2761 [19:50:40] <sascha> eventhough I found mostly tutorials for
ZTS on 5.6 or older Debian releases
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2765 [19:52:11] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: What does the following
command print for you: TZ=UTC date
2766 [19:52:17] <jelly> bogus-: thanks in advance
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2774 [19:54:54] <irssi> hi all,ert-debian-vg" not found. how
fix?
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2778 [19:56:31] <Guest67211> I enter my password and boot
continues ,but interested how fix ert-debian-vg
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2780 [19:56:59] <missmbob> Guest67211: it's not found (yet)
because it's encrypted. only after you type in your password
can it be found. so it's not really an error.
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2782 [19:57:25] <missmbob> that's absolutely normal and the
way it works
2783 [19:57:31] <Guest67211> missmbob: its not error ?
2784 [19:57:48] <missmbob> no. you're fine.
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2788 [19:58:35] <Guest67211> missmbob: clear, thanks
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2791 [19:59:09] <hexnewbie> stephanie92: If that's off,
(should be about "Sat Oct 29 17:59:01 UTC 2016" right
now), I'd suspect the datetime is actually incorrectly set.
Either on the host, or on the VM, or the hypervisor, or the clock
driver of the hypervisor is misconfigured (e.g. not set to UTC in
libvirt's XML, or the guest, or is configured with an offset).
I'd install ntp on the host and/or guest.
2792 [19:59:25] <missmbob> !tell stephanie92 about
systemd-timesyncd
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2795 [19:59:49] <missmbob> once the timezone is set that ^ will
set the time
2796 [20:00:03] <missmbob> i'd use systemd-timesynccd over
ntp
2797 [20:00:29] <missmbob> spelled correctly
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2801 [20:01:10] <hexnewbie> I wouldn't care if it's
spelled correctly if it set my time. ;)
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2838 [20:19:47] <Tom01> The mouse is too fast. How can I slow it
down?
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2841 [20:20:34] <gebruiker> thumblerd eating alot fo system
resources. Googled it and a known bug. Solution kill it and / or use
some random script from a forum. I want to try out MATE. But How do
I cleanly uninstall xfce incl dependencies? Other than apt-get
remove --purge xfce* ...
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2848 [20:22:05] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: do you not have enough
storage for both mate and xfce to be installed?
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2851 [20:25:22] <gebruiker> jmcnaught: yeah but I want it to be
clean and I am curious how this would work, this question has been
on my mind for a while now
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2857 [20:26:26] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: if you are using a display
manager (which is recommended) then you will be able to choose the
session type (xfce or mate) on the login screen
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2859 [20:27:06] <jmcnaught> after a while if you decide that you
no longer need xfce, you can start removing its packages (carefully)
2860 [20:27:24] <gebruiker> jmcnaught: oh man .. manual labor? :S
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2866 [20:29:36] <jmcnaught> gebruiker: generally it would involve
removing meta-packages for xfce, and then doing "apt-get
autoremove" to remove packages that were installed by those
metapackages but that aren't recommended or suggested by other
packages still installed
2867 [20:29:51] <cheapie> I've been wondering about something
like this for a while, actually. If I do apt install
task-kde-desktop (or similar), then apt remove task-kde-desktop,
then apt autoremove, it seems like KDE usually doesn't get
removed, as if parts of it got set to manually installed or
something.
2868 [20:30:20] <jmcnaught> however you always need to be careful
removing anything.. it's quite common for us to see people who
have removed too many packages no longer able to get a GUI
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2871 [20:31:58] <Tom01> I have a high speed gaming mouse.
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2873 [20:32:22] <Tom01> How can I deactivate mouse acceleration?
2874 [20:32:50] <cheapie> Tom01: This looks related:
replaced-url
2875 [20:33:00] <gebruiker> jmcnaught: I found
replaced-url
2876 [20:33:04] <cheapie> It's for Arch, but *probably*
applicable to Debian as well.
2877 [20:33:18] <Tom01> cheapie: thx
2878 [20:33:33] <missmbob> Tom01: most DE's have a mouse
settings to make slowing it down and making it faster easier. in
xfce4 it's settings->mouse and touchpads
2879 [20:34:11] <Tom01> missmbob: It is already on the lowest
value. Still too fast.
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2882 [20:34:25] <missmbob> did you restart x after changing that
setting?
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2886 [20:37:30] <missmbob> i have no idea if you need to or not.
never touched those settings. worth a try
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2894 [20:44:04] <random_numbers> apt-transport-tor shouldn't
interfere with package verification at all, correct?
2895 [20:44:43] <random_numbers> (I found out that was a thing via
'apt search apt')
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2899 [20:47:18] <Evidlo> how do I find what version of systemd
corresponds to this commit?
replaced-url
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2903 [20:48:56] <OerHeks> random_numbers, seems like a legit way
replaced-url
2904 [20:48:56] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: the transport should
not interfere, but tor exit nodes might
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2908 [20:50:15] <jmcnaught> Evidlo: the commit mentions a version
in the changelog
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2914 [20:52:36] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: That's kind of
what I was asking. Are the default repos signed and verification
activated by default?
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2917 [20:52:55] <Tom01> missmbob: I will try restarting
2918 [20:53:10] <jmcnaught> random_numbers:
2919 [20:53:14] <jmcnaught> sorry.. yes
2920 [20:53:16] <TomTomTosch> there are no exit nodes if you use
apt-transport-tor the mirror is actually a tor hidden sevice. it
will be encrypted the whole way plus package signatures are still
checked.
2921 [20:53:26] <jmcnaught> !apt secure
2922 [20:53:27] <dpkg> [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6,
<APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all
archives. See
replaced-url
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2924 [20:55:40] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: Thanks.
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2926 [20:56:42] <random_numbers> TomTomTosch: No exit node would
mean I need to use .onion mirror addresses in my sources.list,
right?
2927 [20:56:51] <TomTomTosch> exactly.
2928 [20:57:12] <TomTomTosch>
replaced-url
2929 [20:57:21] <random_numbers> Thanks.
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2938 [21:00:14] <gebruiker> yeah mate is better
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2961 [21:10:39] <random_numbers> So, release files are signed and
they contain checksums of everything downloadable from their repo.
What kind of hashing do they use nowadays?
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2967 [21:12:22] <TomTomTosch> that should be SHA256
2968 [21:12:48] <random_numbers> That sounds reasonable.
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2977 [21:15:29] <Bird|otherbox> on Debian systems -- is a fat32
/boot partition not a supported configuration at all? I'm
trying just that, and dpkg vomits an error about being unable to
make a backup link for the System.map file due to "Operation
not permitted" when it tries to update the kernel
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2992 [21:22:56] <Sircle> Is it possible to have multiseatx with a
card of 4 ports (but one physical video card)? such as
replaced-url
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2998 [21:24:32] <torbian> #bunsenlabs
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3018 [21:37:35] <dokma> I forgot what file is used to configure
which executable to start when a connection is made on a port...
3019 [21:37:35] <Spydar007> I keep getting 403 Forbidden when
visiting any page under wiki.debian.org (and have been for a while).
It's happening from any device on my home internet, but not
from elsewhere. Can someone check if I've been blocked or
something please?
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3025 [21:38:15] <gry> I bet you are probably using a proxy at home
or your ISP is doing something hacky. When you get blocked at the
wiki you still have read access.
3026 [21:38:22] <gry> Can you try another browser?
3027 [21:39:04] <gry> Wait, no, I am wrong -
replaced-url
3028 [21:39:15] <dokma> Anyone remembers that one?
3029 [21:39:34] <gry> Spydar007, you can email wiki@debian.org
your IP address and they would look into it
3030 [21:39:44] <dokma> I remember it containing a port and the
path to the executable that needs to be started to handle the
connection...
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3033 [21:40:03] <Spydar007> gry: cheers, will do
3034 [21:40:45] <MarGarina> dokma: inetd / xinetd?
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3036 [21:41:18] <dokma> MarGarina: yup... inetd.conf
3037 [21:41:22] <dokma> thank you
3038 [21:42:13] <MarGarina> np
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3121 [22:34:58] <sumi> hello
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3123 [22:36:00] <sumi> quick question. i've been looking this
whole day to figure how to get logs working for a certain app.
i'm using a debian:jessie docker container. how can i check
which log system is used? i can't find the configuration files.
what log system does jessie use?
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3127 [22:38:28] <jmcnaught> sumi: by default jessie uses journald
which forwards to rsyslog for persistent storage, but
everything's usually different in docker (where typically you
have a single process running, no init, no other daemons like
syslogs)
3128 [22:38:47] <sumi> thanks
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3131 [22:39:10] <sumi> so what does /dev/log do ?
3132 [22:39:13] <sumi> it's a socket?
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3138 [22:41:35] <jmcnaught> sumi: on my system /dev/log is a
symlink to /run/systemd/journal/dev-log which is a socket. on a
sysvinit system, it would be a socket to rsyslog. but again, with
docker you typically don't have other daemons running in your
container. from what i recall, the docker host listens to output
from the container and logs that on the host system (not in the
container)
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3141 [22:42:32] <jmcnaught> you'll need to refer to the
docker documentation, and also check the details of how your
container was built (the debian docker containers aren't really
official, and are significantly different from stock debian)
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3143 [22:42:55] <sumi> jmcnaught yes indeed, in my containers i
would redirect stdout and stderr to /proc/1/fd/1 so it appears on
the host running the container
3144 [22:43:25] <random_numbers> I have yet more questions about
the Debian security chain. I found that
'/var/lib/apt/lists/http.debian.net_debian_dists_jessie-updates_InRelease'
contains the checksums for say
'contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.xz'... but I'm not
sure where to go from here.
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3146 [22:43:43] <sumi> but the app i'm using (haproxy) uses
syslog facilities to dispatch its log, which adds an indirection
layer to the "regular" way i would go about it with
docker.
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3148 [22:44:12] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: what are you trying to
do? generally apt-get/apt/aptitude verifies signatures and checksums
for you
3149 [22:44:26] <sumi> but from what you told me, there is a high
probability that the log system used on my base debian container is
not "stock" debian
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3151 [22:44:55] <sumi> i'll try to install rsyslog then and
configure it to dispatch to /proc/1/fd/1.
3152 [22:45:25] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: I'm trying to
understand how it works. When it retrieves the 'release'
and its signature, what does it do afterward?
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3156 [22:46:22] <jmcnaught> sumi: haproxy has no way to tell it to
log elsewhere? i only played with docker a little but it
doesn't seem designed to have daemons running inside the
container.. it's meant for single process containers
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3159 [22:47:54] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: apt downloads a
package from the repository, verifies the checksum of the downloaded
.deb against its cached Packages file, verifies the checksum of that
Packages file matches what's in the Release file, then verifies
that the release file is signed by a key in apt's keyring
3160 [22:47:59] <sumi> i've just tried to use systemd-cat and
the os tells me it failed to create stream fd
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3162 [22:48:28] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: Where is the
'Packages' index stored, and its checksum?
3163 [22:48:49] <jmcnaught> sumi: which makes sense, because you
generally do not have an init in a docker container.
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3168 [22:49:24] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: in /var/lib/apt/lists
with the Release files
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3170 [22:49:52] <sumi> jmcnaught: well the it works, i need to
give an address and a facility to log, with optional values to
define from which level to which level. so if i say 127.0.0.1 for
address and local0 for facility, it will bind with a socket on the
localhost. so if i want to redirect to a file, i need to create a
facility in syslog (from my understanding, which may be wrong)
3171 [22:50:02] <jmcnaught> sumi: if you want a less crazy pants,
more traditional system running inside your containers you could use
LXC instead of Docker
3172 [22:50:15] <sumi> LXC?
3173 [22:50:18] <sumi> i'll have a look
3174 [22:50:43] <jmcnaught> LXC is system containers.. it boots an
init like a normal system, runs supporting daemons in the background
3175 [22:51:11] <sumi> haproxy logging on docker containers seems
like a hot topic on google. people really struggle and haproxy dev
say it dispatches to syslog
3176 [22:51:12] <jmcnaught> on the other hand Docker is a radical
replacement of the init model (way more radical than systemd) where
each service runs as a single-process container
3177 [22:51:16] <sumi> oooh
3178 [22:51:21] <sumi> is it then similar to a chroot?
3179 [22:51:44] <sumi> wel...
3180 [22:51:54] <sumi> chroot you would map resources into the
chroot.
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3184 [22:52:12] <sumi> the way you say it about LXC, seems like
you could have a subsystem in the containr
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3188 [22:52:20] <sumi> which would actually be more complete than
docker
3189 [22:52:35] <sumi> i'll educate myself on the topic,
thanks for the reference
3190 [22:53:01] <jmcnaught> systemd-nspawn is another container
tool that comes with systemd
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3193 [22:54:08] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: Alright, they're
there. Thanks.
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3214 [23:07:30] <sphalerite> Is there a way to find out why apt
dist-upgrade wants to install a new package (as in which of the
packages to be upgraded depends on it)?
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3235 [23:17:09] <JohK> hi
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3237 [23:17:39] <JohK> I have had problems with dkms for ages
3238 [23:18:01] <JohK> now I purged all of dkms and manually made
sure nothing is left
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3240 [23:18:12] <JohK> wenn I do a build nvidia_current…
3241 [23:18:21] <random_numbers> sphalerite: There is a way,
however I do not know it myself.
3242 [23:18:47] <sphalerite> random_numbers: that's a start
^^
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3244 [23:19:02] <JohK> and then an dkms install … I get an
error: “Error! This module/version has already been buiilt on:
KERNEL”
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3246 [23:19:30] <JohK> which is true, but it does not install the
build modules into /lib/modules either
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3249 [23:19:49] <JohK> anyone?
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3252 [23:19:52] <random_numbers> I'd probably just list all
updating programs into a file, 'apt show' all the list and
grep for the new program's name.
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3254 [23:19:57] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: you can try looking with
"aptitude why $package"
3255 [23:20:10] <sphalerite> jmcnaught: will that work even if the
package isn't installed yet?
3256 [23:20:17] <typo_> anyone have luck installing WoW or Steam
in Debian 8? I'm getting issues that google *really* isn't
helping with.
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3258 [23:20:40] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: it might, it's sort
of a best guess command. what is the new package?
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3261 [23:21:11] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: "apt-cache rdepends
$package" could also help you figure it out
3262 [23:21:38] <sphalerite> jmcnaught: several GNOME/X11-related
things I really don't want on my server :) at-spi2-core,
adwaita-icon-theme, ...
3263 [23:21:51] <sphalerite> Yeah, tried that. They have a lot of
dependents :/
3264 [23:22:05] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: can you use
replaced-url
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3268 [23:22:39] <sphalerite> aah, it's probably erlang-wx
3269 [23:23:00] <jmcnaught> typo_: Debian 8 has a steam package
available in non-free:
replaced-url
3270 [23:23:37] <jmcnaught> sphalerite: you can also do
"apt-get upgrade" before the dist-upgrade, which will
upgrade all packages that don't require new packages to be
installed (or removed)
3271 [23:23:39] <sphalerite> wtf, erlang depends on erlang-wx
newly?
3272 [23:23:43] <sphalerite> yeah, already did that
3273 [23:23:51] <typo_> jmcnaught: yeah that still gives me an
issue
3274 [23:23:54] <JohK> can anyone help me with dkms (error with
dkms install —> “Error! This module/version has
already been buiilt on: KERNEL”)
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3276 [23:24:09] <typo_> it tells me theres a 32 bit library I
don't have and nothing people on random forums suggest works
3277 [23:24:10] <jmcnaught> typo_: if you tell the channel the
problem you're having, someone might help you fix it
3278 [23:24:20] <sphalerite> wait, erlang is a new installation
too.
3279 [23:25:05] <jmcnaught> !paste
3280 [23:25:06] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
3281 [23:25:27] <jmcnaught> people having problems, *please* make
pastes if you want help
3282 [23:25:50] <sphalerite> Right, removing rebar seems to have
done the trick. Thanks for the pointers jmcnaught
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3284 [23:26:19] <typo_> pastes of what exactly, lol. The error
saying I don't have libGL.so.1?
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3286 [23:26:51] <typo_> inb4 "apt-get libgl.so.1"
3287 [23:27:12] <jmcnaught> typo_: show us the command that you
used and the full output. paraphrased errors don't help us
understand the issue
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3289 [23:27:21] <typo_> *sigh*
3290 [23:27:23] <sphalerite> typo_: try installing the package
from non-free. That should sort dependency issues properly
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3292 [23:27:39] <jmcnaught> typo_: also for your problem if you
could include in the paste the info that the bot is about to ask you
for please
3293 [23:27:47] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell typo_ about bat
3294 [23:27:56] <JohK> dkms problem:
replaced-url
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3297 [23:28:45] <jmcnaught> JohK: are you on jessie? also did you
try the dkms remove command it suggests that you use?
3298 [23:28:52] <JohK> the module is not installed, but built;
AFAIK dkms install should install it, yet it fails
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3300 [23:28:59] <JohK> jmcnaught: numerous times
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3302 [23:29:06] <JohK> jmcnaught: purged everything
3303 [23:29:08] <jmcnaught> JohK: are you on jessie?
3304 [23:29:28] <JohK> jmcnaught: strech/sid
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3306 [23:29:42] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell JohK about debian-next
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3308 [23:30:00] <jmcnaught> JohK: see the message from the bot
about the stretch/sid support channel
3309 [23:30:01] <JohK> jmcnaught: I’ve had the same problem
in jessie :)
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3311 [23:30:12] <JohK> jmcnaught: and even before
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3313 [23:30:29] <JohK> every single kernel update dkms fails to
build my modules
3314 [23:30:52] <jmcnaught> JohK: you still should use the correct
channel for your release. connecting to OFTC is not different than
connecting to freenode, except the address is different…
3315 [23:31:26] <JohK> sure, thanks
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3317 [23:31:40] <typo_>
replaced-url
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3323 [23:33:14] <LearnerWind> Hi I am missing the firmware:
rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin. If i install the package: Will my computer
be slower than if i just install the firmware?
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3326 [23:33:24] <jmcnaught> typo_: that library can come from a
few different packages. if you are using default open source GPU
drivers, it would be in the package libgl1-mesa-glx
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3329 [23:33:39] <jmcnaught> typo_: in your case you should try
"apt-get -s install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386"
3330 [23:34:07] <typo_> already newest version
3331 [23:34:59] <jmcnaught> LearnerWind: installing the
firmware-realtek package is the recommended way, and would not
impact performance in any way different from manually installing the
loose firmware file
3332 [23:35:06] <jmcnaught> typo_: which GPU driver are you using?
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3334 [23:35:59] <LearnerWind> jmcnaught: Thankyou for the advice
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3336 [23:36:40] <typo_> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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3338 [23:37:00] <LearnerWind> Sorry i thoght i had typed
firmware-realtek there
3339 [23:37:13] <jmcnaught> typo_: and so, you're using the
nvidia-driver package?
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3341 [23:37:24] <typo_> jmcnaught: afaik
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3343 [23:37:45] <jmcnaught> typo_: what did *you* install?
nvidia-driver is not default
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3345 [23:38:21] <typo_> after clean install of debian, my video
output was fuzzy so I followed the page here
replaced-url
3346 [23:38:38] <typo_> supposedly I have version 352.79
3347 [23:38:43] <typo_> but I have 0 idea how to prove such
3348 [23:38:49] <jmcnaught> typo_: did you do step #4 on
replaced-url
3349 [23:39:12] <typo_> yes, many of those items listed
didn't even exist
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3351 [23:39:15] <typo_> but I removed those that did
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3353 [23:39:59] <jmcnaught> ,v libgl1-nvidia-glx --arch i386
3354 [23:40:00] <judd> Package: libgl1-nvidia-glx on i386 --
wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+2; stretch/non-free:
367.44-3; sid/non-free: 367.57-1; experimental/non-free: 370.28-1
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3356 [23:40:20] <jmcnaught> typo_: "items"?
"removed those that did"?
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3359 [23:40:35] <littlegirl> Hey there, is there anyone in charge
of missing man pages? The Debian QA Man pages page at
replaced-url
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3361 [23:41:01] <typo_> jmcnaught: "run these commands to
remove runtime libraries known to cause issues with Debian"
3362 [23:41:05] <typo_> or are you not referring to step 4
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3364 [23:42:03] <jmcnaught> by step #4 i did indeed mean step 4
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3366 [23:42:31] <typo_> so which part of my sentence confused you,
I ran the commands listed.
3367 [23:43:12] <typo_> for example, there was no instance of
'libstdc++.so.6' which it recommends removing
3368 [23:43:36] <jmcnaught> typo_: i asked you about step #4 on
the wiki instructions, installing libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 and you
tell me about removing stuff…
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3371 [23:43:55] <typo_> step 4 is 'troubleshooting'
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3373 [23:43:57] <typo_> on that page
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3376 [23:44:53] <jmcnaught> typo_:
replaced-url
3377 [23:45:19] <typo_>
replaced-url
3378 [23:45:21] <jmcnaught> typo_: what does "apt-cache
policy libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386" tell you?
3379 [23:45:58] <typo_> regarding apt-cache:
replaced-url
3380 [23:46:12] <jmcnaught> typo_: if you installed nvidia-driver
from jessie-backports, you also need to install
libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 from jessie-backports
3381 [23:46:51] <littlegirl> Is anybody able to answer my
question?
3382 [23:46:53] <jmcnaught> "apt-get -s -t jessie-backports
install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386"
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3384 [23:48:12] <olalonde> Hi all, Debian newbie here. I'm
trying to upgrade "graphicsmagick" from 1.3.20 (this is
what is installed with apt-get install graphicsmagick) to 1.3.25.
Any way to do that? I guess I'll have to compile it from
scratch?
3385 [23:48:40] <jmcnaught> littlegirl: i would ignore that dead
netmeister.com link and just submit the missing man pages on
bugs.debian.org for the relevant package
3386 [23:48:46] <typo_> olalonde: if the newer version is not in
the repositories you may need to compile it yourself, or find a
repository that has the up to date version
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3388 [23:49:18] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport graphicsmagick
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3390 [23:49:25] <judd> Backporting package graphicsmagick in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, virtual.
3391 [23:49:31] <littlegirl> jmcnaught: Okay, thanks.
3392 [23:49:32] <olalonde> typo_: ok, how do I see the source of
the current repository? that would help me with the build script.
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3394 [23:49:43] <TomTomTosch> !tell olalonde about ssb
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3397 [23:50:25] <TomTomTosch> olalonde: you can create a backport,
which means building a package from sid against the libs in your
system.
3398 [23:50:33] <typo_> jmcnaught: after installing from
jessie-backports and reinstalling steam it still tells me I
don't have libgl.so.1
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3400 [23:50:40] <olalonde> What's sid?
3401 [23:50:44] <olalonde> The release after jessie?
3402 [23:50:45] <jmcnaught> olalonde: do you need graphicsmagick
for a new feature, or because you think you need it for a
bug/security fix?
3403 [23:50:58] <kevr> how do i fix a broken package? i can't
do anything with apt because cgroupfs-mount is not able to
install/uninstall properly
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3405 [23:51:21] <typo_> kevr: you can try apt-get install -f
3406 [23:51:41] <TomTomTosch> olalonde: sid is unstable. used to
test packages and introduce new versions. it has graphicsmagick
1.3.25
3407 [23:51:43] <typo_> oh apt-get is the broken thing
3408 [23:51:58] <jmcnaught> typo_: what does
"update-alternatives --display glx" tell you?
3409 [23:52:04] <olalonde> TomTomTosch: ok thanks
3410 [23:52:09] <olalonde> But I'm really confused right now
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3412 [23:52:15] <kevr> typo_:
replaced-url
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3414 [23:52:36] <olalonde> I'm actually building a docker
image using node:6 as a base image and
replaced-url
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3416 [23:53:02] <olalonde> Ah, it's the default base OS nvm
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3418 [23:53:08] <typo_> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
3419 [23:53:19] <olalonde> jmcnaught: bug/security fix
3420 [23:53:28] <jmcnaught> kevr: which init system are you using?
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3422 [23:53:44] <jmcnaught> olalonde: did you check to see if the
bug/vulnerability was fixed in the Debian package?
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3424 [23:53:56] <kevr> whatever came with wheezy or jessie by
default
3425 [23:54:02] <olalonde> jmcnaught: they've actually
removed support for PSD if I understand correctly. and I had a bug
processing a PSD file on my server today
3426 [23:54:04] <jmcnaught> olalonde: Debian backports security
fixes to the version of the package in the current stable release
3427 [23:54:09] <kevr> 'service X (start|stop|...)
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3430 [23:54:32] <olalonde> jmcnaught: apparently not because
I'm getting that bug on a fresh graphicsmagick install
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3432 [23:54:51] <jmcnaught> kevr: wheezy is sysvinit by default,
jessie is systemd. You've got a line in your paste that
cgroupfs-mount is managed via upstart (which is a third init system)
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3434 [23:55:07] <kevr> ic
3435 [23:55:09] <kevr> so
3436 [23:55:13] <kevr> the original goal was to install docker
3437 [23:55:18] <olalonde> How do I install a package from sid?
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3439 [23:55:28] <kevr> but now the goal is just to get rid of this
shit so apt isn't broken
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3441 [23:55:52] <TomTomTosch> olalonde: you are not meant to
install binaries from sid, but compile the source package against
the libs of your system. the bit sent you instructions.
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3443 [23:56:05] <TomTomTosch> s/bit/bot/
3444 [23:56:26] <olalonde> Ah, found this
replaced-url
3445 [23:56:36] <olalonde> Oh ok thanks
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3447 [23:56:54] <TomTomTosch> olalonde: no, you have to create the
backport yourself. jessie-backports does not have graphicsmagick
3448 [23:56:56] <jmcnaught> kevr: well, you are using some
(custom?) init scripts that are missing LSB headers. And you're
installing cgroupfs-mount, is that a dependency of docker? Are you
on stretch?
3449 [23:57:01] <random_numbers> jjjjjjj
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3451 [23:57:16] <random_numbers> I'm sorry about that.
3452 [23:57:36] <olalonde> Looks complicated :( Is there any way
to see the source content of a package?
3453 [23:57:37] <kevr> the init scripts that are missing LSB
headers came from some package, which i believe was
init-system-helpers
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3456 [23:57:47] <kevr> yes, it's a dependency of docker
3457 [23:57:49] <kevr> and
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3459 [23:58:06] <kevr> i'm on stretch indeed
3460 [23:58:13] <jmcnaught> !debian-next
3461 [23:58:13] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
3462 [23:58:26] <kevr> great
3463 [23:58:28] <kevr> so
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3466 [23:58:41] <TomTomTosch> olalonde: apt-get source <pkg>
you need to install build-essential first.
3467 [23:58:43] <kevr> there's no standard solution for
wiping out a package so i can use apt again?
3468 [23:58:47] <missmbob> we went from whatever wheezy uses to
stretch/upstart. that was neat
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3470 [23:59:02] <jmcnaught> kevr: when you get to the correct
channel for your release, you should also say whether you're
using the Debian docker.io package, or the upstream Docker
repo's packages
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3477 [23:59:23] <kevr> well, stretch has no debian-engine package
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