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• 39[00:30:56] <TwistedFate> hello, i'm having trouble with amdgpu firmware. it seems that i don't have all of it installed.. i keep seeing firmware errors in dmesg like this replaced-url
• 40[00:31:11] <TwistedFate> [ 1.962488] amdgpu 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load amdgpu/polaris10_pfp_2.bin (-2)
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• 42[00:31:39] <TwistedFate> I am using unstable, got firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-amd-graphics installed
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• 47[00:33:18] <annadane> !debian-next
• 48[00:33:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 54[00:36:55] <annadane> (i'm kind of at the point of saying we need a debian-next equivalent on freenode)
• 55[00:37:00] <annadane> this is just silly
• 56[00:37:36] <TwistedFate> we really do :/
• 57[00:37:46] <annadane> ##debian-next isn't taken, if it's not official that can be it
• 58[00:37:59] <annadane> just need people to actually mod it
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• 60[00:41:15] <annadane> i don't want to just register the channel and be done with it if it's going to be anarchy
• 61[00:41:29] <TwistedFate> meh, i found what's the problem
• 62[00:42:18] <annadane> and then you'd need people to actually join it
• 63[00:42:26] <annadane> kinda pointless for support otherwise
• 64[00:42:29] <TwistedFate> debian is the problem :/
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• 66[00:42:34] <debron> hello
• 67[00:42:46] <TwistedFate> haven't included proper firmware in firmware-amd-graphics, there's even a bug report open for it
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• 69[00:43:37] <debron> TwistedFate: what is that about?
• 70[00:43:46] <debron> I am having some other graphic issue, maybe its relate
• 71[00:43:48] <debron> related
• 72[00:44:01] <TwistedFate> debron: amdgpu Polaris 10, missing firmware
• 73[00:44:14] <debron> Ah
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• 75[00:44:48] <debron> I have 8th gen. Intel CPU with integrated UHD 630 graphics, not recognized either
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• 77[00:45:29] <debron> by the way, Ill be right back, going to try a different display, because this one send a bull edid information
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• 79[00:45:46] <debron> and it could be its fault, and not the integrated graphics
• 80[00:45:49] <debron> brb
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• 88[00:48:08] <plasma_> WTF? just upgraded from jessie to stretch. Why the f is unattended-upgrades listed as a dependency to 500 packages? I want to remove the former but not the latter, but apt wants to remove 500 things
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• 92[00:49:45] <plasma_> apt-listchanges sounds good, but if I wanted forced upgrades I'd use Windows 10
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• 99[00:51:36] <hyperlumic> So bizarre that in 2018 people still bitch about security updates as if they're a bad thing.
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• 102[00:55:02] <plasma_> So bizarre that a user of Linux is telling someone else they're doing it wrong for wanting their system configuration to remain the way it was
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• 108[00:57:42] <davesp_> (Well, that didn't work.)
• 109[00:58:09] <furrymcgee> apt autoremove removed many packages that i needed
• 110[00:58:32] <furrymcgee> didnt have this problem with apt-get and aptitude
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• 113[00:59:38] <plato666> hi, how to enable drag and drop in vnc running on debian, autocutsel only do copy and paste
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• 115[01:02:32] <plasma_> @furrymcgee I'm having the same problem when I try to remove a package
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• 117[01:05:11] <plasma_> when was systemd added?
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• 126[01:06:32] <plasma_> dist-upgrade wants to remove a bunch of shit, including xchat, ironically
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• 131[01:07:20] <annadane> isn't xchat supposed to be deprecated...?
• 132[01:07:25] <annadane> ,v xchat
• 133[01:07:26] <judd> Package: xchat on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.8-7.1; wheezy-security: 2.8.8-7.1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.8.8-7.3; stretch-backports: 2.8.8-11~bpo9+1; buster: 2.8.8-14; sid: 2.8.8-14
• 134[01:07:30] <annadane> yep
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• 136[01:07:42] <annadane> well, not deprecated entirely maybe but not in stretch
• 137[01:07:51] <plasma_> huh, I wonder why
• 138[01:07:58] <plasma_> this'll teach me to upgrade Debian
• 139[01:08:04] <annadane> hexchat is generally understood to be the replacement
• 140[01:08:08] <plasma_> aha
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• 144[01:10:57] <plasma_> trying to install anything, it still wants to uninstall a fuckton of stuff. Like blender, which I use, and calibre. synergy, okteta
• 145[01:11:02] <plasma_> ,v okteta
• 146[01:11:03] <judd> Package: okteta on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4+dfsg-1; jessie: 4:4.14.2-1; stretch: 4:16.08.3-1; buster: 4:17.08.3-1; sid: 4:17.08.3-1
• 147[01:11:08] <plasma_> it's in stretch
• 148[01:11:10] <plasma_> ,v blender
• 149[01:11:11] <judd> Package: blender on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.63a-1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.72.b+dfsg0-3; jessie-backports: 2.74+dfsg0-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.78.a+dfsg0-4; buster: 2.79.b+dfsg0-1; sid: 2.79.b+dfsg0-1
• 150[01:11:12] <annadane> plasma_, maybe aptitude can tell you what's going wrong
• 151[01:11:38] <plasma_> annadane: oh? Hm. it's listing 402 as obsolete
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• 154[01:14:28] <plasma_> how do I tell aptitude that they're not obsolete for my system?
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• 156[01:14:55] <plasma_> and/or how do I tell it to not remove anything automatically?
• 157[01:14:58] <annadane> you can generally apt-mark hold foo but i'm not sure i'd recommend it
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• 160[01:15:33] <annadane> aptitude dist-upgrade (don't press y yet) can generally tell you what's causing the conflicts
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• 162[01:16:28] <awal1> !bat
• 163[01:16:29] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 164[01:16:38] <awal1> plasma_ ^
• 165[01:16:47] <annadane> yeeeeeah... but i think you can ignore step 2
• 166[01:17:01] <annadane> for a jessie -> stretch transition it doesn't really apply
• 167[01:17:32] <plasma_> hmm alright
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• 169[01:18:04] <awal1> plasma_ you may want to share the output of "aptitude update && aptitude -s full-upgrade"
• 170[01:18:14] <awal1> share with us
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• 173[01:21:49] <plasma_> aptitude update: replaced-url
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• 175[01:21:59] <plasma_> aptitude -s full-upgrade: replaced-url
• 176[01:22:17] <plasma_> awal1 my apt-cache policy:
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• 178[01:22:41] <plasma_> replaced-url
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• 180[01:23:14] <annadane> that... is one hell of an apt-cache policy
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• 184[01:24:41] <expert975> How do I fix my FrankenDebian? u.u
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• 186[01:25:02] <annadane> depends what your frankendebian _is_, different situations call for different solutions
• 187[01:25:05] <annadane> !partial downgrade
• 188[01:25:05] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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• 190[01:26:16] <awal1> plasma_, you are trying to get stretch?
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• 195[01:27:37] <awal1> plasma_, that is easy: you have a nice frankedebian system; no one will even try to help on that
• 196[01:27:47] <awal1> a nic broken system
• 197[01:28:00] <plasma_> awal1: I have a stock Jessie system with a few random repos that I probably don't need anymore
• 198[01:28:12] <awal1> plasma_easy solution: reinstall with stable (stretch)
• 199[01:28:13] <plasma_> I'm trying to upgrade to Stretch, as I needed an updated package and some of its deps
• 200[01:28:18] <plasma_> that's not an easy solution
• 201[01:28:34] <annadane> awal1, i'm sorry but it's very unfair to say "no one will try to help"
• 202[01:28:47] <awal1> annadane, go ahead so
• 203[01:29:08] <annadane> a fresh install does solve the issues but not everyone wants to do all that
• 204[01:29:08] <plasma_> I also don't see how one release back is frakendebian
• 205[01:29:39] <annadane> in general 3rd party repos can break a system, of course
• 206[01:30:15] <plasma_> I have an iommu group setup for a kvm with ovmf gpu passthrough, which requires some initramfs parameters and other junk I'd have to remember to copy over. A reinstall when things require configuration is an Ubuntu suggestion
• 207[01:30:34] <plasma_> annadane: can I identify which ones might be conflicting? I probably don't need most of these
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• 209[01:30:54] <annadane> yeah, as i said, aptitude
• 210[01:31:06] <plasma_> I looked through it but I didn't see anything obvious about third party repos causing issues
• 211[01:31:09] <annadane> aptitude dist-upgrade and you can cycle through the proposed solutions; you don't need to press 'y' immediately
• 212[01:32:09] <annadane> oh i saw you posted an aptitude full-upgrade
• 213[01:32:25] <annadane> honestly... it may be a lot faster to just reinstall at this point after backing up files
• 214[01:32:40] <awal1> :D
• 215[01:32:47] <plasma_> so what did I do wrong? I followed the upgrade guide, and there's nothing particularly unique about my apt
• 216[01:32:54] <annadane> that is NOT THE SAME as saying "no one will try to help"
• 217[01:33:05] <plasma_> this is why Debian has a bad rap for updates
• 218[01:33:11] <expert975> To fix my frankenDebian must I downgrade every package installed from the next version? There was 2000 of them...
• 219[01:33:28] <annadane> well, i observe that your apt-cache policy has a lot of external repos, that may be causing the issues
• 220[01:33:32] <annadane> it's a lot for me to try to untangle
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• 223[01:34:15] <plasma_> I can remove those. The external repos are for vivaldi, steam, mono-xamarian, dropbox, and seafile. Only one or two I'd keep. I'll start there
• 224[01:34:15] <awal1> plasma_, things are clear just check closely aptitude full-upgrade output starting almost from " The following packages have unmet dependencies:"
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• 226[01:34:38] <annadane> expert975, what release are you on?
• 227[01:35:23] <expert975> annadane: I'm on stable. Things broke when trying to go to testing
• 228[01:36:45] <annadane> will it not let you go to testing, then? it may be only one or two packages interfering or some kind of transition
• 229[01:36:56] <annadane> as opposed to what plasma_ has which is a transition from one stable to another
• 230[01:37:23] <annadane> also, plasma_, in future use paste.debian.net, not pastebin.com
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• 232[01:37:37] <awal1> plasma_ verify unmet dependencies (The following packages have unmet dependencies:) and evalue what is conflicting/what you need/what you dont need...) and proceed fixing stuff manually and, when pertinent, accept aptitude propositions; you have no choice
• 233[01:37:48] <expert975> annadane: When going to testing, apt felt like removing 400 packages. It went especially on the good ones, like gnome and other programs I use
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• 237[01:38:13] <expert975> annadane: Should I let it remove then install them back?
• 238[01:38:22] <expert975> annadane: will they be installable then?
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• 240[01:38:32] <annadane> it's hard to say without seeing output
• 241[01:38:44] <annadane> i can check the tracker and see if gnome is going through a transition
• 242[01:39:05] <annadane> generally you can use aptitude to determine what's going wrong
• 243[01:39:48] <expert975> I've only used apt. What's fancy about aptitude?
• 244[01:40:00] <annadane> aptitude has among other things, dependency resolution information
• 245[01:40:12] <annadane> and one may cycle through any number of proposed solutions
• 246[01:40:27] <annadane> anyway, i'd first of all post to paste.debian.net any relevant output you have
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• 248[01:41:45] <expert975> annadane: I'm sending 'apt dist-upgrade'. Anything else?
• 249[01:42:05] <annadane> that's probably fine for now though you can of course try aptitude full-upgrade
• 250[01:42:20] <plasma_> awal1 annadane: I'm not sure I understand the purpose of the proposed solution in aptitude. When It shows me the first proposed solution, which is to remove 37 packages, I hit Y, and it then wants to delete 508
• 251[01:42:25] <expert975> annadane: I'll try that
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• 253[01:43:09] <annadane> these all come with -s options (s for 'simulate') in case you want to see the complete run but i find it's not necessary as apt(itude) will tell you what it's going to do
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• 255[01:44:36] <awal1> plasma_, I asked you to paste aptitude full-upgrade (-s is simulate, for avoid any typing mistake, remove -s if you wanna real changes) and I gave my opinion
• 256[01:44:53] <awal1> sincerly, you have a broken system;
• 257[01:45:02] <plasma_> awal1 I pasted aptitude full-upgrade, which you'll see above. I know what -s does
• 258[01:45:20] <plasma_> my system was broken by the docs telling me to change jessie to stretch in the apt sources file
• 259[01:45:21] <awal1> I am not discouraging you; you can fixe that but it will need maybe days
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• 261[01:45:41] <debron> hello back
• 262[01:45:42] <annadane> what people sometimes do is accept aptitude's first solution (or any others, ones which seem least destructive) and then reinstall what gets removed later
• 263[01:45:49] <annadane> but this can of course break configurations and all kinds of things
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• 265[01:46:00] <plasma_> I'm asking a specific question about aptitude and the purpose of one proposed solution. It recommends removing 37 packages. Why does hitting y then want to remove 508?
• 266[01:46:11] <annadane> that, i actually don't know
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• 268[01:46:47] <annadane> actually i do know... kind of... i know that can happen with aptitude
• 269[01:46:57] <annadane> i know the phenomenon, i don't know _why_ it does that, though
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• 271[01:47:29] <debron> guys its dirty to upgrade my distribution to testing ? like patching windows xp? xD its messy? or its fine. Problem is that i didnt do a minimal install, i did full, with gnome and everything
• 272[01:47:59] <expert975> debsan: Broke my system doing that yesterday, go with care
• 273[01:48:03] <plasma_> debron: it's messy just to update old stable to stable
• 274[01:48:07] <annadane> well, it _may_ be ok but it's more likely to break things
• 275[01:48:17] <plasma_> Debian is no longer a distro that you has a viable update path
• 276[01:48:20] <annadane> a better question is, why do you want testing?
• 277[01:48:45] <debron> no, im from stretch, and want to go testing
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• 279[01:49:06] <annadane> if you want a specific new version of a package you can typically get it in stable
• 280[01:49:30] <debron> well, what I want is newer linux kernel
• 281[01:49:50] <debron> one that support my CPU with its integrated graphics
• 282[01:49:51] <awal1> plasma_, it is a matter of dependencies/recommends; appent -D option to full-upgrade for more info
• 283[01:49:55] <debron> coffee lake
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• 287[01:50:22] <annadane> debron, which? you can get it from backports
• 288[01:50:26] <annadane> backports has 4.15 now
• 289[01:50:33] <debron> intel UHD 630
• 290[01:50:41] <debron> intel i3 8100
• 291[01:50:45] <annadane> i mean which kernel
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• 293[01:50:49] <debron> Ah
• 294[01:50:53] <annadane> but i'm not sure which kernel supports which devices
• 295[01:50:55] <debron> the best would be 4.16
• 296[01:51:01] <expert975> annadane: Here's the paste: replaced-url
• 297[01:51:13] <debron> but I think thats in a very experimental distro
• 298[01:51:22] <annadane> i don't think 4.16 is even in sid yet; you can compile your own kernel, apparently it's relatively simple to do
• 299[01:51:43] <awal1> plasma_ I already saw your aptitude full-upgrade when you pasted it; that is why I said reinstall
• 300[01:51:43] <debron> and what are the con's on that?
• 301[01:52:08] <plasma_> awal1: thanks for the advice
• 302[01:52:13] <annadane> lack of security support is probably the biggest one
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• 305[01:52:24] <annadane> i'm not sure how much breakage is involved in doing it
• 306[01:52:50] <debron> I think it wouldnt be more optimal to just upgrade my distro
• 307[01:53:02] <debron> than to use this distro with newer kernel
• 308[01:53:05] <debron> am I wrong?
• 309[01:53:14] <debron> it would be* sorry
• 310[01:54:00] <annadane> it kind of depends whether kernels do support your device, i don't know too much about all of this
• 311[01:54:34] <annadane> expert975, okay, try it with aptitude, you may be able to just accept its proposed solution and reinstall later... are you trying to go from stable to testing? i'm getting my situations confused
• 312[01:55:01] <expert975> annadane: Correct. From stable to testing
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• 314[01:55:33] <furrymcgee> plasma_: i think your libperl has many dependencies
• 315[01:55:40] <annadane> the other thing is i'd probably post apt-cache policy to paste.debian.net, could be a 3rd party repo causing issues
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• 317[01:55:54] <plasma_> furrymcgee: which is weird, I didn't do anything particularly strange to Perl, or anything in fact
• 318[01:56:00] <plasma_> I have a great and functional solution however
• 319[01:56:16] <plasma_> change %s/stretch/jessie/ in apt/sources.list
• 320[01:56:26] <plasma_> things seem to be more normal now
• 321[01:56:51] <plasma_> I've been meaning to jump off the Debian train anyway. Onto a distro that doesn't have systemd, I'd like to give that a hsot
• 322[01:56:53] <plasma_> shot
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• 324[01:57:40] <debron> !kernels
• 325[01:57:42] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.16, stable 4.16: 4.16.2, stable 4.15: 4.15.17, longterm 4.14: 4.14.34, longterm 4.9: 4.9.94, longterm 4.4: 4.4.128, longterm 4.1: 4.1.51, longterm 3.18: 3.18.105 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.56, longterm 3.2: 3.2.101, linux-next: next-20180413
• 326[01:57:42] <debron> !kernel
• 327[01:57:49] <awal1> plasma_, resuming: separately, do dpkg -l and proceed removing pkgs not needed, keep just what you need; then play with aptitude . follow the proposed solutions when pertinent and also fixe stuff manually; all that checking pkgs description. that is my proposition if 'reinstall' is not a choice for you. good luck!
• 328[01:58:30] <expert975> annadane: I have no 3rd party repositories
• 329[01:58:39] <plasma_> awal1: thanks, though for the moment I've avoided having to go down this route it seems. I started by removing the apt/sources.list.d/* files I didn't need, which sort of helped, but not enough
• 330[01:58:46] <annadane> "stable" is not debian stable in that factoid
• 331[01:58:49] <annadane> you probably want:
• 332[01:58:52] <annadane> ,kernels
• 333[01:58:53] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-2-686 (4.15.11-1); buster: 4.15.0-2-686 (4.15.11-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
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• 335[01:58:55] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
• 336[01:59:52] <awal1> plasma_, your system needs to be fixed almost manually.
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• 338[02:00:11] <plasma_> awal1: I can't accept that as a situation, since I didn't break it manually. Or if I did, I need to know how first
• 339[02:00:22] <plasma_> avoiding the problem is better, and ditching Debian, because this has happened before :P
• 340[02:00:33] <plasma_> Ubuntu's official docs for dist-upgrading basically say "don't"
• 341[02:00:39] <awal1> me I give up; I can not follow that
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• 343[02:00:48] <awal1> !frankendebian
• 344[02:00:48] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 348[02:01:35] <plasma_> you know that basically every site that offers software that runs on debians recommends installing a .deb file, ya?
• 349[02:01:37] <plasma_> that's how this system operates
• 350[02:02:04] <furrymcgee> plasma_: maybe can you try full-upgrade -t oldstable because your libperl5.20 is oldstable
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• 352[02:02:33] <plasma_> furrymcgee: Oh is it? Hmmm, I could just remove it, I don't use perl on this system anymore. But how'd that happen even
• 353[02:02:34] <annadane> awal1, please stop being so aggressive in giving support
• 354[02:02:37] <annadane> we all do it, but...
• 355[02:02:58] <plasma_> annadane: it's fair. I entered the conversation by insulting Debian. You get waaay better support if you're pushy :P
• 356[02:03:07] <furrymcgee> debian uses a lot of perl
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• 358[02:03:21] <plasma_> "Debian f'ing sucks I can't believe you can't do X" works 100x better than "can someone please help me with X? thanks"
• 359[02:04:04] <awal1> annadane, curiosity: what are your suggestions/solutions apart opining?
• 360[02:04:15] <awal1> anyway, dinner time here
• 361[02:04:17] <awal1> (Y)
• 362[02:04:30] <plasma_> furrymcgee: I bet stable supports perl though, I'm just guessing that I have an old lib somehow
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• 364[02:05:00] <plasma_> ah it's used by pidgin, xchat, and vim-gtk, also rxvt-unicode-256color, the latter two I use
• 365[02:05:31] <awal1> annadame, I don't pretend to be agressive at all; I just try to be evident
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• 367[02:05:50] <plasma_> you were a bit aggressive imo
• 368[02:06:26] <awal1> I prsonally asume the fact that a gnu/linux user is conscious; and such situations shouldn't happen
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• 370[02:06:44] <plasma_> hah
• 371[02:06:44] <awal1> almost when running "conservative" OS, like debian
• 372[02:06:58] <plasma_> Debian voted for Trump
• 373[02:07:33] <mutante> omg, there is a "Trump on Linux" twitter account
• 374[02:07:36] <hyperlumic> Well, this entire conversation has jumped the shark. Back to support, please.
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• 376[02:07:43] <hyperlumic> Or take it to offtopic.
• 377[02:07:57] <plasma_> that's fair
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• 379[02:08:13] <plasma_> but hyperlumic, unattended updates aren't automatically a good thing
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• 382[02:10:28] <hyperlumic> plasma_: Mkay. What repos and such did you have enabled? Was this pure Debian stable, or was there more to it?
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• 385[02:11:18] <plasma_> hyperlumic: I've sort of avoided the issue for now, but I listed the repos I had enabled above, mostly things I then disabled. The only two I had left were vivaldi and seafile, both targeting stable. This was pure Debian Jessie otherwise, which I then started to upgrade to Stretch
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• 387[02:13:52] <hyperlumic> plasma_: The fact that you disabled the repos after the fact doesn't change things if you have packages installed from those repos already. Those packages, and their attendant dependencies, are already gum in the works.
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• 389[02:14:24] <plasma_> hm true. I can find the packages I suspect were from those repos and remove them
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• 391[02:14:57] <plasma_> sidenote: how is it that sites recommend adding their PPAs or Debian repos, when apparently it's such an issue when upgrading?
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• 402[02:19:54] <expert975> plasma_: maybe they don't care
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• 415[02:28:26] <Trel> I'm using XFCE on Debian Stretch. If I switch to a tty and then back to the graphical one, I'm logged out, and back at the login screen. Any idea how to stop that from happening?
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• 417[02:29:28] <expert975> Trel: If I do that I get back to the frozen image of the graphical interface
• 418[02:30:11] <expert975> Hope someone knows about it
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• 421[02:31:29] <awal1> Trel, can you paste your .bash_logout file?
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• 425[02:33:47] <awal1> that may be because of /usr/bin/clear_console
• 426[02:34:22] <awal1> no sure how .bash_logout is set in stretch; I just have sid one
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• 429[02:35:51] <Trel> awal1: replaced-url
• 430[02:36:19] <expert975> awal1: I have this on mine: replaced-url
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• 435[02:38:05] <Trel> Easy way to test that
• 436[02:38:07] <Trel> brb
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• 438[02:38:23] <expert975> Trel: Please report
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• 441[02:38:58] <Trel> Nope, commenting out everything in that had no effect
• 442[02:39:13] <Trel> But to be honest, I'm not sure how that would've affected anything since at no point did I log out
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• 445[02:40:10] <expert975> Trel: Did you start a new session after changing the file? Might be a good idea
• 446[02:40:57] <awal1> Trel, expert975, try "$SHLVL" = 2 ] instead of "$SHLVL" = 1 ]
• 447[02:41:19] <awal1> that's a nice work around
• 448[02:41:29] <expert975> awal1: What does that do?
• 449[02:41:31] <Trel> awal1: it won't have any effect
• 450[02:41:54] <Trel> I have another theory I'm testing as well, I'll report back on both
• 451[02:41:58] <awal1> Trel, how you can be sure before trying ?:P
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• 454[02:44:44] <awal1> there are few bugs about that, one of them is mine
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• 456[02:45:30] <Trel> awal1: well, it shouldn't have any effect because I didn't at any point log out
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• 458[02:45:42] <Trel> neither in the gui, nor the tty
• 459[02:45:52] <Trel> I just ctrl+alt+f1 and then ctrl+alt+f7
• 460[02:46:03] <awal1> Trel, google what clear_console is
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• 462[02:47:01] <Trel> awal1: yes, I know what it is, but why in this scenario would .bash_logout be called?
• 463[02:47:09] <Trel> What triggers that file to be executed
• 464[02:47:20] <Trel> Either way, a fresh session changed nothing, still happens.
• 465[02:48:12] <Trel> Basically if .bash_logout was running, someone is already going wrong
• 466[02:49:10] <awal1> have you even tried what I suggested?
• 467[02:49:28] <Trel> Yes
• 468[02:49:30] <Trel> it didn't work
• 469[02:49:36] <Trel> I rebooted as well
• 470[02:49:41] <Trel> just to be safe
• 471[02:49:46] <expert975> awal1: I've changed the shell level to 2 on that script, I'll test it once aptitude is done
• 472[02:49:47] <Trel> (I don't resume sessions either)
• 473[02:50:03] <awal1> for me it works
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• 475[02:50:19] <awal1> reboot in this case not needed
• 476[02:50:45] <awal1> well, a few piste if you want to debug more replaced-url
• 477[02:50:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 478[02:50:47] <Trel> Are we having the same issue, or are you having the issue expert975 is having?
• 479[02:51:06] <awal1> your's
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• 481[02:51:48] <awal1> for me it just happens under openbox/fluxbox; not when running fvwm
• 482[02:52:12] <Trel> Also, I'm not logging into the tty, just changing to it for a second and going back.
• 483[02:52:16] <awal1> well, a bit complex; I had no time for debug seriously
• 484[02:52:32] <awal1> same hre
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• 486[02:52:48] <Trel> Is there anywhere else clear_console could be called other than .bash_logout
• 487[02:52:54] <awal1> = 2 solves the issue for me
• 488[02:53:26] <awal1> clear_console is a debian specific thing
• 489[02:54:01] <awal1> do you run a DM?
• 490[02:54:08] <Trel> I tried with both lightdm and sddm
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• 493[02:55:16] <awal1> I precise that I only have that issue wen using startx/multi-user.target
• 494[02:55:25] <Trel> Also, I just completely blanked out the contents of .bash_logout and replaced it with a line to echo a string to a file and then did the tty switch
• 495[02:55:30] <Trel> it didn't create the file
• 496[02:55:36] <awal1> bug not present running wdm
• 497[02:55:46] <Trel> I'll test that one, give me a moment
• 498[02:56:17] <awal1> I am on sid; not stretch; versions matters...
• 499[02:56:28] <awal1> may Ñ
• 500[02:56:37] <awal1> may matter
• 501[02:57:37] <awal1> well, i just wante dto give pistes; i don't have enough knowledge for debug heavily xorg stuff
• 502[02:58:18] <Trel> For what it's worth wdm also same issue
• 503[02:58:34] <Trel> and the file never gets created
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• 512[03:04:20] <debron> hi guys. What's the difference between buster alpha 1 and buster alpha 2?
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• 516[03:04:45] <debron> have diferent kernels? many differences aswell or not?
• 517[03:04:51] <dvs> alpha 2 is newer
• 518[03:05:07] <debron> why the heck do they separate testing distribution in 2 braches? :(
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• 520[03:05:31] <debron> isnt enough already unestable -> testing -> stable?
• 521[03:05:34] <debron> xd
• 522[03:05:34] <dvs> because it's not a branch, they are releases
• 523[03:05:47] <awal1> not a different branch, just a developement step/stage, debron
• 524[03:05:54] <debron> yeha, they are both THE testing release
• 525[03:06:04] <awal1> yes
• 526[03:06:22] <debron> I hate to choose many times
• 527[03:06:23] <debron> xD
• 528[03:06:37] <debron> everytime they let you choose, you have to study
• 529[03:06:40] <annadane> if i install the kernel from backports should i do it in a virtual terminal while i'm already logged into x or should i reboot first and do it in the virtual terminal then?
• 530[03:06:49] <joze> how many toy story characters are left?
• 531[03:06:59] <debron> haha
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• 533[03:07:06] <dvs> heh
• 534[03:07:10] <debron> I was laughed when i see the link of that in debian wiki
• 535[03:07:17] <debron> laughing*
• 536[03:08:14] <awal1> annadane, when installing a new kernel a reboot is needed for boot that new kernel and apply changes, that is all
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• 538[03:08:42] <awal1> install a new kernel being in x is not a problem; it will just not be in use until next boot
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• 542[03:08:49] <annadane> ah, ok, because last time it failed to build... it's not just installing a new kernel, it's changing the one from stable to backports
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• 544[03:08:56] <annadane> unless that doesn't replace it
• 545[03:09:02] <annadane> which it doesn't, i'm an idiot
• 546[03:09:06] <annadane> ignore that
• 547[03:09:42] <debron> man dont call you an idiot, or i would have to call myself something worst :P
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• 551[03:11:26] <awal1> need restart pkg a a very helpful utility, annadane
• 552[03:11:31] <awal1> needrestart
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• 554[03:11:42] <awal1> i guess it is in stable
• 555[03:11:50] <awal1> ,v needrestart
• 556[03:11:51] <judd> Package: needrestart on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.2-7~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2-8+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2.11-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.11-3+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 3.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 3.1-1; sid: 3.1-1
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• 561[03:15:02] <debron> Do you guys think Buster release has Coffee lake processors support?
• 562[03:15:11] <sgo11> what is debian ARM channel? thanks.
• 563[03:15:33] <awal1> should be in oftc
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• 565[03:15:46] <sgo11> or can I ask questions here? it's an ecryptfs error.
• 566[03:15:46] <debron> arm is an architecture isnt it?
• 567[03:15:48] <awal1> !arm
• 568[03:15:48] <dpkg> Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. replaced-url
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• 570[03:16:14] <debron> awal1: "should be in oftc" ? what?
• 571[03:16:15] <sgo11> awal1, ok. thanks.
• 572[03:16:18] <debron> that was to me?
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• 574[03:16:56] <awal1> debron, you are excessively excited seems :D
• 575[03:16:59] <awal1> not for you
• 576[03:17:15] <debron> xD ok
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• 579[03:18:12] <awal1> sgo11, login into oftc server and then #debian-arm chsnnel
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• 581[03:18:14] <debron> Im bored waiting buster ISO to download, to try if new kernel will help with my graphic device
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• 584[03:18:48] <dvs> debron, why are you downloading buster for a new kernel?
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• 586[03:19:00] <debron> because i dont want to be pinning around
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• 588[03:19:05] <debron> im in a stable fresh install
• 589[03:19:13] <debron> ill just install the testing fresh
• 590[03:19:21] <dvs> debron, backports doesn't need pinning.
• 591[03:19:44] <debron> uhm
• 592[03:19:51] <dvs> ,kernels
• 593[03:19:52] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-2-686 (4.15.11-1); buster: 4.15.0-2-686 (4.15.11-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 594[03:19:53] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
• 595[03:19:58] <debron> can i get the 4.16 kernel here?
• 596[03:20:01] <sgo11> awal1, yeah, thanks. I did that.
• 597[03:20:02] <debron> in stretch i mean
• 598[03:20:28] <dvs> debron, you can get 4.15
• 599[03:20:41] <debron> 4.16 would be awesome
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• 601[03:20:45] <dvs> testing doesn't even have 4.16
• 602[03:20:54] <debron> yeah im seeing that
• 603[03:20:58] <debron> :/
• 604[03:21:23] <debron> not even sid , right?
• 605[03:21:43] <dvs> correct
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• 607[03:21:52] <debron> but... when 4.16 is in testing release
• 608[03:21:58] <debron> i could get it, having at least buster
• 609[03:22:11] <debron> if i stay in stable I will have to way looonger, to get that kernel
• 610[03:22:14] <dvs> or backports
• 611[03:22:14] <debron> doesnt I?
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• 613[03:22:25] <dvs> nope, backports
• 614[03:22:34] <debron> okay
• 615[03:22:42] <sgo11> Actually, I found the solution by myself without asking questions there. the `ecryptfs-add-passphrase` in x86 will add keyring for both user and root somehow. so that when I do "sudo mount -t ecryptfs`, it works. In arm, `ecryptfs-add-passphrase` only adds keyring to user, but not root, so that `sudo mount -t ecryptfs` will report no keyring. weird. I don't know why. I just need to run `sudo ecryptfs-add-passphrase`. that's all.
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• 617[03:22:46] <debron> can i access 4.16 through backports now?
• 618[03:22:50] <debron> in stretch?
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• 620[03:23:35] <dvs> no, stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686
• 621[03:24:04] <debron> So, when buster has 4.16 , maybe i can get it in stable through backports?
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• 623[03:24:21] <dvs> yes, most likely
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• 627[03:27:01] <debron> thanks dvs
• 628[03:27:10] <dvs> np
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• 632[03:29:33] <debron> dvs: one more question, could i upgrade kernel to the experimental?
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• 634[03:29:52] <dvs> now that's not a good idea
• 635[03:30:46] <debron> okay :)
• 636[03:30:49] <hyperlumic> debron: Is there something driving this need for 4.16?
• 637[03:31:02] <dvs> Coffee Lake
• 638[03:31:06] <debron> yeah
• 639[03:31:10] <debron> 01.org
• 640[03:31:13] <debron> intel graphics
• 641[03:31:21] <hyperlumic> Oh, I missed that. Got it.
• 642[03:31:35] <Resilience> hello to everyone, I am using lxde and it can shutdown and restart system, so the useer session with consolekit is configured right, but, when loggin into xfce usb memories cannot be automounted, this seems to happen because for consolekit are spawned ywo different sessions/seats, why is this happening, what can I do?
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• 648[03:33:03] <debron> dvs: is a bad idea to upgrade after adding backports, before installing the new kernel?
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• 651[03:33:30] <debron> the source of info im using tells thats its to meet the dependences
• 652[03:33:32] <dvs> debron, backports was made to work with stable
• 653[03:33:41] <debron> of the new kernel that is going to be installed
• 654[03:33:52] <debron> great then
• 655[03:33:55] <debron> thanks
• 656[03:33:59] <debron> again
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• 658[03:34:24] <dvs> no prob
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• 660[03:34:45] <xp> After upgrading to testing Xorg exits with error. The log says "no screen found". Now what?
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• 663[03:35:16] <hyperlumic> !testing
• 664[03:35:16] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
• 665[03:35:51] <dvs> debron, What upgrade? Just grab what you need from backports. Don't get all the newer packages.
• 666[03:36:43] <expert975> hyperlumic: bumpy indeed. RIP Xorg...
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• 671[03:39:25] <debron> too late
• 672[03:39:31] <debron> it wasnt too much anyway
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• 675[03:40:47] <debron> well.. some systemd upgrade i did _:S
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• 677[03:41:20] <debron> replaced-url
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• 679[03:42:12] <annadane> !pastebin.com
• 680[03:42:12] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
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• 682[03:42:20] <annadane> (you don't have to change it, just for future reference)
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• 684[03:42:54] <debron> ok thanks
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• 690[03:47:18] <debron> gona reboot , to boot the new kernel
• 691[03:47:19] <debron> brb
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• 697[03:50:16] <debron> :P finally, it worked fine
• 698[03:50:33] <debron> with the new kernel
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• 735[04:21:02] <karlpinc> I'm making a local copy of a website and want to make sure I've got everything. So, I want to run a browser and prevent it from accessing the net. I could use the vpnc-script-ssh (from the vpnc package) as an example of setting up a network namespace and run my browser from within there, but that would take work frobbing the script. Seems like there should be an "easy" way to run a progam and prevent it from accessing the net.
• 736[04:21:02] <karlpinc> What's the best way to do this?
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• 740[04:22:11] <karlpinc> I believe I'd still need access to localhost through, for X.
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• 744[04:36:11] <pixalot> karlpinc, I get that state automatically when I fubar the networking config :-D
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• 785[05:21:14] <de-facto> how do i set the parameters for a serical device? i need to set: TxD: 300 bps, 8 data-bits, parity: none, 2 stop-bits AND RxD: 300bps, 7 data-bits, parity: even, 2 stop-bits
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• 788[05:24:32] <karlpinc> de-facto: use stty
• 789[05:25:22] <karlpinc> de-facto: Or use either minicom or kermit and use that tool to configure the serial port -- if you're going to access it with a terminal emulator anyway.
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• 792[05:26:53] <de-facto> karlpinc, i have a chip connected to hw UART on a raspberry pi and i need exactly those parameters (different ones for TxD and RxD)
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• 794[05:27:26] <de-facto> i tried screen which just displays garbage, then minicom, but it wont let me set the parameters, i guess that interface is broken
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• 797[05:28:01] <karlpinc> de-facto: I'm not sure minicom will let you set different Tx and Rx settings.
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• 799[05:28:24] <karlpinc> de-facto: So use stty. Then if you are going to use minicom tell it not to mess with the settings.
• 800[05:28:44] <de-facto> its interface suggested that i could do that, but when pressing the letter in front of the setting it wont react only in that specific submenu
• 801[05:29:13] <karlpinc> de-facto: minicom is annoying, but seemingly less annoying than other terminal emulators.
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• 803[05:29:25] <de-facto> yeah i want to try stty, yet i didnt figure out how to set those params yet
• 804[05:29:28] <debron> hello
• 805[05:29:34] <karlpinc> de-facto: What reaction are you expecting?
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• 807[05:30:47] <de-facto> in minicom? that it lets me set the corresponding parameter as in the highter menus
• 808[05:31:49] <karlpinc> de-facto: IIRC minicom shows serial line settings in a status line at bottom, but maybe it does not know how to display different settings for rx and tx? Dunno. You could set with minicom and keep minicom from re-setting the tty and then display with stty. Or minicom could well have a bug.
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• 813[05:32:25] <karlpinc> de-facto: How can you tell minicom is not setting the parameter? Where does it display the set value?
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• 816[05:32:51] <de-facto> it just wont react in the ncurses menu, so i uniinstalled it
• 817[05:34:08] <de-facto> how would i open the serial console in stty? "stty -F /dev/ttyAMA0" just tells me some params then exits
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• 827[05:39:46] <karlpinc> de-facto: I'd set the serial console settings with stty and use minicom to interact with it. You could, say, echo to the device and cat from it, but that's lame. Be sure to tell mincom not to "initialize" the Stty.
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• 829[05:40:19] <karlpinc> de-facto: "dip" is another tool.
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• 832[05:40:35] <de-facto> just looked at setserial, seems useless
• 833[05:41:16] <de-facto> ok minicom gets a second chance
• 834[05:41:37] <karlpinc> de-facto: I've used setserial, but stty was the "go to".
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• 836[05:42:13] <karlpinc> de-facto: "kermit" too, but it's hard to tell it not to mess with the tty settings IIRC.
• 837[05:42:57] <de-facto> i am getting the feeling it would be more easy to write a little C program to do it
• 838[05:43:44] <karlpinc> de-facto: Or maybe python. But then you still need to interact with it. Serial ports are useful, but annoying.
• 839[05:44:11] <karlpinc> de-facto: Just put it all in a shell script.
• 840[05:44:25] <de-facto> i just cant understand minicom interface, how do i set communication parameters?
• 841[05:44:53] <karlpinc> de-facto: Oh lordy. I forget. I poke it with a stick.
• 842[05:45:26] <karlpinc> de-facto: You use the interface, then save the config. Or I suppose you could _write_ the config with a text editor.
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• 844[05:45:41] <karlpinc> de-facto: Or edit a random config you save.
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• 847[05:46:07] <karlpinc> de-facto: That might actually be easiest.
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• 849[05:46:48] <de-facto> i give up on minicom, it just makes a very broken impression on me
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• 886[06:07:07] <ikarosuusi> good evenightning
• 887[06:07:32] <annadane> ^i may steal that phraseology
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• 889[06:07:43] <annadane> good evenightning to you as well
• 890[06:08:42] <ikarosuusi> what to do when your computer slows down and paranoia hits you?
• 891[06:09:06] <ikarosuusi> install more security software or remove something already installed?
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• 894[06:09:56] <annadane> probably determine how long it's been slowing down and see what you did around that time, for starters
• 895[06:10:05] <ikarosuusi> maybe I should just enjoy the delusion that someone would be interested enough to spy me :D
• 896[06:10:14] <annadane> context?
• 897[06:10:32] <ikarosuusi> my friend was here and we did a dist-upgrade
• 898[06:10:40] <ikarosuusi> I'm being delusional here..
• 899[06:11:18] <ikarosuusi> wouldn't be the first time.. windows did this to me, all those absurd windows experiences.. they will never leave me.. or maybe they will.
• 900[06:12:03] <ikarosuusi> facebook as well. and media, like my "data" would *really* be of any value
• 901[06:12:20] <annadane> well, you can check your /var/log/apt/history.log for upgrades
• 902[06:14:01] <ikarosuusi> I'll take this moment, and do just that, as an education. Maybe I should do 1 reasonable linux security move every time this feeling hits me.
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• 904[06:14:32] <annadane> there's a hardening faq that i stumbled across earlier which i can post if i can find it
• 905[06:15:24] <annadane> oh i think it's replaced-url
• 906[06:15:29] <annadane> not very useful
• 907[06:15:35] <ikarosuusi> :D
• 908[06:15:46] <annadane> it may not be that one
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• 911[06:16:26] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 913[06:17:22] <ikarosuusi> yeah, well, companies are paranoid, so maybe it is a good thing to learn "that stuff"
• 914[06:17:41] <annadane> and otherwise...!
• 915[06:17:42] <annadane> !newcomer
• 916[06:17:42] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: replaced-url
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• 918[06:18:00] <annadane> *those* are up to date. ish. but not the handbook. but much of it still applies.
• 919[06:18:06] <ikarosuusi> Ah, you gave me that once already, I've got it saved in a file
• 920[06:18:27] <annadane> my style: someone comes in with a simple question, spam them with irrelevant nonsense
• 921[06:18:35] <ikarosuusi> DontBreakDebian sounds something I really should read :D
• 922[06:19:01] <ikarosuusi> haha well now that sounds creative
• 923[06:19:06] <annadane> actually i know herzog is quite active, i'm sure he's looked at a lot of it
• 924[06:19:24] <annadane> it says "debian jessie" but it's probably like, work in progress
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• 928[06:21:25] <annadane> anyway, i'm not sure what would cause slowdown, really
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• 930[06:21:49] <annadane> i'm hesitant to call it a virus or spying or such, as per replaced-url
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• 932[06:22:24] <karlpinc> ikarosuusi: ps ax; top; uptime; vmstat 1; _And_ look at your logs.
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• 934[06:24:19] <KeithWeisshar> why does the cd-rom integrity check fail if i try to run the cd-rom integrity check after booting from usb flash drive?
• 935[06:24:38] <KeithWeisshar> why does it still fail even though i wrote the iso to usb in raw mode
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• 940[06:25:54] <KeithWeisshar> why does cd-rom integrity check fail on efi
• 941[06:26:25] <evilsveta> Is it normal for a package to compile guile at first startup? I was expecting packages to be already built. Speaking of package 'gnucash' on debian stable.
• 942[06:26:50] <KeithWeisshar> why won't the cd-rom integrity check work properly after writing iso to usb flash drive
• 943[06:27:30] <KeithWeisshar> there is a cd-rom integrity check on the installer menu after clicking go back after booting the debian installer but the check fails
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• 945[06:27:47] <annadane> i think we get it
• 946[06:28:06] <KeithWeisshar> what's causing the cd-rom integrity check to fail
• 947[06:28:11] <annadane> anyway, i'm not sure, maybe the image is corrupted? seems like i might be able to find the answer on stackoverflow or something
• 948[06:29:01] <annadane> have you tried seeing if the checksum is correct?
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• 950[06:30:26] <annadane> ok bye?
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• 953[06:33:04] <evilsveta> Hi annadane. :)
• 954[06:33:19] <KeithWeisshar> the error message is ./boot/grub/efi.img failed the md5 checksum when i try to run cd-rom integrity check on the usb flash drive
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• 956[06:33:48] <annadane> i unfortunately know nothing of gnucash
• 957[06:34:15] <KeithWeisshar> it failed the md5 checksum verification
• 958[06:34:23] <annadane> KeithWeisshar, okay, i'd re-burn the iso so that it has the right checksum
• 959[06:34:24] <KeithWeisshar> does the integrity check only work on optical drives
• 960[06:34:26] <annadane> let me find you a page
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• 962[06:34:53] <KeithWeisshar> i wrote iso to usb in raw mode
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• 964[06:35:16] <annadane> raw mode like what?
• 965[06:35:17] <annadane> cp?
• 966[06:35:24] <KeithWeisshar> like dd
• 967[06:35:29] <annadane> hm
• 968[06:36:04] <KeithWeisshar> in windows i used poweriso and used raw mode to direct image write
• 969[06:36:30] <annadane> i don't know why it's failing but you can try re-burning it with replaced-url
• 970[06:36:44] <KeithWeisshar> the checksum is in the debian installer
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• 973[06:37:09] <annadane> and the reason it's failing is because the checksum is wrong, presumably
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• 975[06:37:37] <KeithWeisshar> does the cd-rom integrity checker only work on optical discs
• 976[06:37:51] <annadane> that, i don't know, and i will leave that up to someone else to answer
• 977[06:38:30] <KeithWeisshar> when i booted the usb key and started graphical installer and click go back one of the options is to check cd-rom for integrity
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• 979[06:38:53] <KeithWeisshar> i have a 64gb usb drive
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• 981[06:39:28] <KeithWeisshar> when i browse the usb installer it just shows the efi folder
• 982[06:39:45] <KeithWeisshar> in windows
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• 985[06:46:05] <ikarosuusi> annadane I ~agree with you and the xkcd strip
• 986[06:48:39] <ikarosuusi> karlpinc: thanks I will write that down for future reference
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• 989[06:51:43] <ikarosuusi> stuff of global concern happening grabs my attention though
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• 1006[07:01:08] <karlpinc> ikarosuusi: If you have lots of context switches (vmstat) and high load (uptime) but nothing in the process table (ps and top) then it could be that you're getting a lot of network traffic that's starting a daemon (say, sshd) and the daemon is quickly going away. That's what logs are for.
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• 1023[07:04:02] <ikarosuusi> karlpinc wow thanks for the insight. seems like something I should do once now and at least once when I feel paranoid again
• 1024[07:04:20] <paranoidaditya> Hi Guys!
• 1025[07:04:29] * annadane giggles
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• 1027[07:04:58] <paranoidaditya> How do I clean install 9.4 on an armv7 headless device
• 1028[07:05:14] <ikarosuusi> wow cheers :D
• 1029[07:05:15] <karlpinc> (The other reason why checksums fail is because you're checksumming the wrong thing, like extra data after what was written.)
• 1030[07:06:26] <annadane> karlpinc, what?
• 1031[07:06:40] <karlpinc> paranoidaditya: The installation manual probably says how to do it via serial port. There's also an option for ssh install -- after the installer starts up.
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• 1033[07:07:16] <karlpinc> annadane: If you dd an image to a disk but the image does not fill the disk, yet you checksum the whole disk, your image will be "perfect" but the checksum won't match.
• 1034[07:07:38] <annadane> really? wow
• 1035[07:08:01] <karlpinc> annadane: You are checksumming data which you did not write.
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• 1037[07:08:14] <annadane> what is the proper way to checksum then?
• 1038[07:08:26] <themill> !check iso image
• 1039[07:08:26] <dpkg> To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see replaced-url
• 1040[07:08:34] <annadane> no, i get that
• 1041[07:08:40] <karlpinc> annadane: You need to know the size of what you wrote and where you wrote it. Read only that back and checksum it.
• 1042[07:08:45] <paranoidaditya> karlpinc : I have one of these replaced-url
• 1043[07:08:51] <annadane> is that for dd specifically?
• 1044[07:09:23] <paranoidaditya> it run jessie and I wanted to wipe it clean use it as raspi replacement since I already own it and have no use
• 1045[07:09:27] <paranoidaditya> runs
• 1046[07:10:17] <karlpinc> annadane: But if you, say, wrote a partition table onto a bare drive then the drive will boot and run fine. (Assuming your boot loader will load it. That sort of thing probably won't work with UEFI, which I have tried to stay away from.)
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• 1048[07:10:45] <karlpinc> annadane: "that"?
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• 1051[07:11:14] <annadane> i mean, basically, is the method of checksumming different for dd as opposed to cp
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• 1055[07:13:27] <karlpinc> annadane: Checksums checksum data. dd reads and writes raw devices, you can use it to pipe data to a checksummer. cp copies files. It's not so good at sending data to something that checksums.
• 1056[07:13:53] <karlpinc> cp works with whole files. dd lets you read parts of devices.
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• 1059[07:14:39] <annadane> vague questions generally mean something is above one's head :D
• 1060[07:14:46] <annadane> well, thanks anyway
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• 1062[07:15:09] <themill> (in terms of debian installer images, using cp or dd will result in an identical set of bytes on the USB stick)
• 1063[07:15:17] <paranoidaditya> Okay, I added the stretch line to /usr/lib/apt/sources.list and ran sudo apt dist-upgrade
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• 1065[07:15:25] <paranoidaditya> it fetched over 400 packages
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• 1067[07:15:43] <paranoidaditya> and was installing those, and then froze, I waited 2-3 minutes and restarted it
• 1068[07:15:53] <paranoidaditya> now it wont take my ssh credentials
• 1069[07:16:04] <karlpinc> It was a total pain in the butt to setup a network namespace so I could ssh in and forward X and run a browser in an environment without network access. I wonder how to "package this up" so that people can find the solution. I couldn't find anything on the net...
• 1070[07:16:45] <karlpinc> paranoidaditya: Are you running stretch?
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• 1072[07:17:26] <paranoidaditya> It was running jessie, and I saw it unpacked system (u9) over 8
• 1073[07:17:38] <paranoidaditya> so should be running stretch
• 1074[07:17:49] <paranoidaditya> /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
• 1075[07:18:22] <paranoidaditya> I followed these instructions ^
• 1076[07:18:23] <karlpinc> paranoidaditya: You have broken it. To upgrade from one version of debian to the next you need to follow the upgrade instructions. The instructions often contain hints on how to recover if you do something wrong so perhaps there's a way forward.
• 1077[07:19:08] <themill> paranoidaditya: what does "now it wont take my ssh credentials" mean?
• 1078[07:19:44] <paranoidaditya> I tried ssh into it with username and password I had on it before
• 1079[07:19:58] <paranoidaditya> and with root
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• 1081[07:20:21] <themill> and?
• 1082[07:20:21] <paranoidaditya> Permission denied, please try again
• 1083[07:20:30] <themill> was it still booting?
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• 1085[07:20:45] <paranoidaditya> its up on the network
• 1086[07:20:51] <themill> not the same ting
• 1087[07:20:52] <paranoidaditya> that's all I can see
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• 1090[07:21:37] <paranoidaditya> okay, shit I tried root with the password for my username and it worked
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• 1092[07:22:52] <karlpinc> paranoidaditya: Ok. Sorry to be alarmist.
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• 1094[07:23:50] <themill> rmnologin is a thing still
• 1095[07:24:08] <karlpinc> Or maybe it was doing file system checks.
• 1096[07:24:15] <ikarosuusi> I'm only getting more paranoid by following your procedure karlpinc, should I often conduct this process so I would at some point actually phathom something from what I'm looking at?
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• 1100[07:25:43] <ikarosuusi> I saw a number increase, but there are lots of logs. I looked at daemon logs, but it's filled with lircd acting up, and now I'm thinking how would I stop that service from starting in the first place.. isn't it for IR devices?
• 1101[07:25:49] <karlpinc> ikarosuusi: You can read the man pages to see what data is being presented. Often this presumes you understand how a computer works. (E.g., what context switching is, etc.) For that you need something like wikipedia.
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• 1105[07:26:55] <ikarosuusi> you're a challenging fellow
• 1106[07:27:03] <karlpinc> ikarosuusi: Probably something like "systemctl disable lircd; systemctl stop lircd", But I don't know what the service name is.
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• 1110[07:28:15] <karlpinc> ikarosuusi: Well, you can ask specific questions here. But this is not a great place to have fundamental concepts explained. Mostly because A) people don't have the time and B) if they did it would clog the channel.
• 1111[07:29:04] <karlpinc> ikarosuusi: Also, I think I'm enjoying being cranky just now.
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• 1115[07:29:51] <ikarosuusi> :D yeah I so(sorf of) agree with the time and clogging
• 1116[07:29:51] <paranoidaditya> replaced-url
• 1117[07:29:58] <karlpinc> ikarosuusi: I'm not sure what lircd does. I suspect your right about infrared.
• 1118[07:30:14] <paranoidaditya> How do I get rid of other sources ? /etc/apt/sources.list only has one entry
• 1119[07:31:18] <karlpinc> paranoidaditya: There is also /etc/apt/sources.list.d/. Files in there are read as well.
• 1120[07:31:36] <karlpinc> !tell paranoidaditya about frankendebian
• 1121[07:32:11] <karlpinc> (Mixing debian and non-debian sources are not good. I like referring to the factoid. :)
• 1122[07:32:55] <karlpinc> paranoidaditya: And don't forget "apt-get update" after changing sources.list related content or it won't take effect. (or aptitude....)
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• 1126[07:33:52] <ikarosuusi> well, I configured a deamon to not start up, I think I advanced enough to say I've educated myself for the good of humanity. I'll make it a habit.
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• 1128[07:34:34] <ikarosuusi> I could actually read about context switching as well.
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• 1130[07:35:23] <karlpinc> ikarosuusi: The other thing to keep in mind is to not blindly follow advice from random strangers. :-) Seriously, always look at the man page for the command and see what the arguments do etc. before execution.
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• 1132[07:36:22] <ikarosuusi> ouch :D
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• 1135[07:38:08] <ikarosuusi> well, at least the wikipedia contents about context switching were familiar after all. phew.
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• 1180[08:10:20] <l9> is there any reason why ./command isnt working even tho the file is x ?
• 1181[08:10:38] <l9> it gives me a no access error
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• 1183[08:10:52] <l9> and i trying to run it with root
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• 1186[08:12:23] <alkisg> Give more info, ls -l command; ./command => and full output, all to pastebin
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• 1188[08:13:04] <alkisg> For example, command may be running fine, and complaining about no access elsewhere, e.g. to some device that doesn't exist
• 1189[08:13:33] <l9> the file i am trying to run is chmodded to 777
• 1190[08:13:53] <alkisg> Pasting is a lot more easier than describing
• 1191[08:13:55] <nkuttler> l9: give us the info we need
• 1192[08:13:58] <l9> but i think it might have todo with it using #!/bin/sh
• 1193[08:14:23] <alkisg> Why, you don't have /bin/sh?
• 1194[08:14:38] <alkisg> What's the output of `file ./command` ?
• 1195[08:16:28] <l9> replaced-url
• 1196[08:16:47] <l9> the output is Ikke tilgang that i translate to No access
• 1197[08:16:48] <nkuttler> !localized errors
• 1198[08:16:48] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
• 1199[08:17:08] <nkuttler> also, the info alkisg asked for..
• 1200[08:17:21] <nkuttler> additionally, mount, lsattr <command>
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• 1202[08:17:44] <nkuttler> and *what* are you building?
• 1203[08:17:49] <nkuttler> or, trying to..
• 1204[08:17:52] <l9> python 3.6.5
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• 1207[08:18:15] <l9> i can make the command run fine with sh comamnd
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• 1209[08:18:43] <nkuttler> why are you building python 3.6?
• 1210[08:19:00] <nkuttler> !checkbackport python3.6
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• 1212[08:19:11] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport python3.6
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• 1214[08:19:12] <judd> Backporting package python3.6 in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
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• 1218[08:22:42] <l9> replaced-url
• 1219[08:23:19] <l9> so it is a permission denied on the command
• 1220[08:23:45] <alkisg> l9: file ./configure; head ./configure; bash ./configure
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• 1222[08:23:51] <alkisg> Put the output of those ^ to pastebin
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• 1224[08:25:56] <bolt> !pastebinit
• 1225[08:25:56] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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• 1230[08:28:06] <l9> alkisg: replaced-url
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• 1235[08:28:54] <l9> that ran as expected until it crashed you see the crash on the ./configtest so i am wondering if that has something todo with the ./configure permission denied
• 1236[08:29:03] <alkisg> l9: so it runs with bash but not with sh? What do you have for /bin/sh, a symlink to dash?
• 1237[08:29:26] <alkisg> You can also use set -x on shell programs to see the exact line they crash, e.g. bash -x ./configure
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• 1239[08:29:35] <l9> alkisg: yeah
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• 1241[08:29:50] <alkisg> But, see what nkuttler said about using a backport that you don't have to compile yourself.
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• 1243[08:31:17] <l9> well this got as much intresting to solve as anything else since i have a clean debian i would assume that others trying to compile python3.6.5 on a debian would find them self in the same problem as i do
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• 1249[08:35:00] <no_gravity> How do I find out why a certain package is installed?
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• 1252[08:36:26] <alkisg> no_gravity: there's `aptitude why package` or apt r-depends etc, but I usually just try `apt purge --auto-remove package`, see the list, and press ctrl+c to abort
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• 1257[08:37:36] <no_gravity> alkisg: 'apt r-depends'?
• 1258[08:37:47] <alkisg> let me see the exact syntax there...
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• 1260[08:38:18] <alkisg> no_gravity: manpages.debian.org/apt-rdepends
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• 1283[08:56:48] <no_gravity> alkisg: Thanks. But that outputted soooo much and I couldn't really see from it why the package (ruby in this case) is installed.
• 1284[08:57:38] <alkisg> Try the other two methods then
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• 1286[08:58:12] <no_gravity> Yeah, the best I found so far is 'apt-get remove ruby -s'
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• 1373[09:50:05] <bigMouthCommie> i get a lot of mail in my mailspool. how do i get it delivered to, say, gmail?
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• 1375[09:50:16] <bigMouthCommie> i tried following a postfix tutorial
• 1376[09:50:20] <bigMouthCommie> itdid not seem to work
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• 1382[09:54:20] <jimm> I guess you'd want to test each indiv. piece
• 1383[09:54:45] <jimm> mail has more than just one moving part
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• 1385[09:55:41] <jimm> bigMouthCommie, how to get it to gmail? you can forward it
• 1386[09:56:33] <bigMouthCommie> can you help me understand the tools?
• 1387[09:57:00] <bigMouthCommie> @ jimm
• 1388[09:57:19] <jimm> it's been awhile since I worked with postfix specifically...
• 1389[09:58:26] <jimm> but. postfix is a "Mail Transport Agent" (MTA) and they transport mail to other MTAs
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• 1393[09:58:43] <bigMouthCommie> is postfix the right tool? i also saw a suggestion to use procmail
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• 1395[09:59:00] <jimm> the other agents are Mail Delivery Agents, and Mail User Agents
• 1396[09:59:46] <jimm> when a MTA receives mail meant for someone at that local site, it passes the buck to a MDA
• 1397[10:00:32] <bigMouthCommie> so i'll need an mta to sign into google etc ?
• 1398[10:00:40] <jimm> which takes care of delivering the mail (one form of delivery, is appending to /var/mail/$username file
• 1399[10:00:46] <jimm> )
• 1400[10:01:24] <jimm> and the MUAs are programs where the user directly interacts with mail
• 1401[10:01:39] <jimm> - reads the mail
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• 1403[10:01:45] <jimm> - sends mail
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• 1409[10:03:19] <bigMouthCommie> i feel no closer to getting system alerts via email
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• 1411[10:03:52] <jimm> a MUA will pass mail to be sent to a "smarthost", which has a static IP, a domain name that points at that IP (and specific mail DNS records maybe) and lots of times will have a DNS server running which is configured to cache
• 1412[10:04:06] <jimm> well you asked how the pieces work :)
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• 1414[10:05:21] <bigMouthCommie> i really don't feel like i've learned what i was hoping to with that question
• 1415[10:05:28] <jimm> and the preceeding has been a scratch-the-surface description of the parts :)
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• 1417[10:06:04] <jimm> well mail is not trivial
• 1418[10:06:28] <jimm> maybe you'd like to ask a question that is targeted closer to what you want?
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• 1421[10:07:04] <bigMouthCommie> uh. yea. i just don't knowthe question.
• 1422[10:08:01] <jimm> ok... let's start with what you want to do
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• 1427[10:11:05] <bigMouthCommie> i'd like to check my gmail and see the system messages there
• 1428[10:12:00] <jimm> ok, right now are you getting system messages somewhere?
• 1429[10:12:27] <bigMouthCommie> when i login, i type mail
• 1430[10:12:41] <bigMouthCommie> but i hate the interface for them
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• 1432[10:13:00] <bigMouthCommie> and it would be nice to send myself other messages in an automated way
• 1433[10:13:28] <jimm> ok (and mail is a MUA), when you look at that emsil, who is it from?
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• 1436[10:13:44] <bigMouthCommie> it's all uh root@localhost i think
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• 1438[10:15:16] <jimm> ok... I think it could be that mail for root is sent to a specific user acct (the idea being, it's not good to be logged in as root by habit)
• 1439[10:15:16] <bigMouthCommie> i looked into it. postmaster, i think. while i've been talking to you i've been continuing my googling... i found /etc/aliases
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• 1441[10:15:31] <jimm> so mail for root reaches your user?
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• 1443[10:15:37] <bigMouthCommie> yes
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• 1445[10:16:07] <jimm> well, one thing you could do is forward mail for that user to your gmail acct
• 1446[10:16:17] <bigMouthCommie> wonderful. how?
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• 1448[10:16:52] <jimm> put a file called .forward in your home dir with the address of who to forward it to
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• 1451[10:17:24] <bigMouthCommie> so i make a file ~/.forward and just put in an email address?
• 1452[10:17:37] <jimm> (in your case, sinde you want to forward it to your gmail acct, you'd put the gmail acct's email address in the .forward file
• 1453[10:17:41] <jimm> )
• 1454[10:18:21] <bigMouthCommie> yea. i did that. no additional software configs needed?
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• 1458[10:19:26] <jimm> one or more, yes. and, if you want to expand the ways of forwarding, you could install procmail and forward it using a ~/.procmailrc file
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• 1461[10:19:52] <jimm> (procmail being a way to filter mail, and, it can be a MDA)
• 1462[10:19:56] <bigMouthCommie> what do you mean expand the ways of forwarding?
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• 1464[10:20:59] <jimm> you might want to filter it, for example... maybe, only forward those emails that say they are from root@yourmachine
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• 1470[10:23:45] <jimm> possibly: maybe you receive mail from mailing lists... you might want to put those all in one place
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• 1474[10:24:46] <jimm> just something to consider... for your app, you wouldn't need procmail
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• 1476[10:25:07] <bigMouthCommie> i'm still a bit dumfounded that it could be that easy
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• 1479[10:25:45] <bigMouthCommie> in fact, i'm not convinced it's forwarding the mail properly
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• 1481[10:26:17] <jimm> that's by coincidence... whaat you wanted happened to correspond to something that's usually handled
• 1482[10:26:36] <bigMouthCommie> what application is supposed to be sending the mail to gmail? and will my isp/google reject it since it's kind of spammy? like, it's not coming from a registerd mx
• 1483[10:26:53] <jimm> well you'd have to wait for mail to originate from root
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• 1485[10:27:04] <bigMouthCommie> i could force it
• 1486[10:27:13] <bigMouthCommie> like... send mail to root?
• 1487[10:27:22] <jimm> yeah, you could send one
• 1488[10:27:49] <jimm> well sending mail to root wouldn't necessarily cause mail to come from root
• 1489[10:28:08] <bigMouthCommie> orite
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• 1493[10:28:50] <jimm> if you're not filtering, any mail that is received by the user, gets forwarded to the gmail
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• 1495[10:30:16] <bigMouthCommie> no filtering, but is it getting lost? now i've been using the mail command to send mail and it's not appearing for user or root, but i'm afraid gmail is rejecting it bc it's not coming from a known domain
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• 1498[10:32:45] <bigMouthCommie> maybe i broke my whole system. maybe it time to do backups and reinstall. maybe this time, i'll partition my discs right!
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• 1502[10:33:33] <jimm> that would be a very extreme action :)
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• 1504[10:34:18] <bigMouthCommie> idk. i'm afraid i really did hose something now just flingin mail commands around willy nilly
• 1505[10:34:57] <bigMouthCommie> i tried undoing all my postfix configs, but i'm afraid i broke that. i still don't see why google isn't showing anything unless they're rejecting all the msgs for appearing spammy
• 1506[10:35:25] <jimm> well try this... log in as root, and use the mail cmd to send test emails to the user
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• 1512[10:37:10] <bigMouthCommie> mail user RETURN testing RETURN testing CONTROL-D root RETURN
• 1513[10:37:15] <bigMouthCommie> no mail for user
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• 1515[10:37:41] <bigMouthCommie> i did nuke my .forward file from ~/
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• 1519[10:38:39] <jimm> ok, did your user get the mail from root?
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• 1521[10:40:01] <bigMouthCommie> no
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• 1523[10:40:59] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
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• 1525[10:41:13] <bigMouthCommie> but i don't know if i do
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• 1547[10:54:23] <bigMouthCommie> onice. i got the mta working
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• 1554[10:57:28] <bigMouthCommie> jimm: i got it working with this tutorial replaced-url
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• 1556[10:57:38] <bigMouthCommie> and, of course, the .forward file
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• 1569[11:08:47] <avis-> debian should know about new kernel modules they'll need as an update. united kingdom knows. exploiters can't have root, and improvement all in one tine and inclusive security bug fix. sometimes not everyone is important enough to have their identity protected.
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• 1571[11:09:17] <avis-> kernel.org should get headers too, in the future, with kernel modules. i got new great ones tonight
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• 1576[11:11:56] <avis-> isos may have to be remastered. kernels need to redone. at kernel.org and also, all linux distros, world wide.
• 1577[11:11:57] <avis-> thank you
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• 1579[11:12:06] <jelly> what are you ta... eh
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• 1586[11:13:33] <ejr> if i boot into debian with "nomodeset" in grub, do I still need the "quiet" flag?
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• 1590[11:14:14] <debron> hi
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• 1605[11:23:21] <debron> jelly: running Buster! everything fine here with coffee lake ! \o/ just needed to add the alpha support on grub command file
• 1606[11:23:39] <debron> loving Buster
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• 1608[11:24:08] <debron> thats for greycat too :)
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• 1610[11:25:55] <p0g0> Coffee Lake, just west of China Lake?
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• 1771[13:15:51] <doublehp> which package owns the COMMAND "libinput" in buster ?
• 1772[13:18:08] <dutchfish> doublehp, if you mean the lib (not the tools) then libinput10: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libinput.so.10
• 1773[13:18:46] <dutchfish> doublehp, for the tools then libinput-tools: /usr/bin/libinput
• 1774[13:18:49] <doublehp> i mean the command
• 1775[13:19:15] <doublehp> thanks, stupid me, was obvious
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• 1783[13:21:09] <dutchfish> doublehp, to make it complete, for the headers you would need (into you own programming) then libinput-dev: /usr/include/libinput.h
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• 1791[13:24:40] <dutchfish> doublehp, (Debian testing aka Buster) for more q, ask #debian-next on OFTC
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• 1830[13:51:27] <anthonym> Hey guys, probably a really dumb question, but added an autossh entry to reverse port forward (ssh), but I need to remove it, is there any way to do this?
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• 1859[14:09:13] <dutchfish> anthonym, depend son how you made it in the first plave, if you did something like ssh –f –N –T –R 2210:localhost:22 user@foo, then closing the connection would revert it automatically. If you did it by firewall rules, ehe then edit your firewall rules.
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• 1874[14:17:11] <dutchfish> anthonym, if you did it with autossh in its config the look at ~/.ssh/config and adapt it. (rem to restart that service after changing the config)
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• 1896[14:34:20] <AlwaysHigh> how can i set my debians encoding charcter type
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• 1939[15:03:41] <areyouloco> AlwaysHigh: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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• 1957[15:17:32] <SopaXorzTaker> Linux version 4.9.0-6-amd64 (debian-kernel@replaced-ip) (gcc version 6.3.0 20170516 (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) ) #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02)
• 1958[15:17:49] <SopaXorzTaker> Not detecting an ancient external CD/DVD burner
• 1959[15:18:11] <SopaXorzTaker> it's not in "lsscsi", but it's mentioned in dmesg
• 1960[15:18:33] <SopaXorzTaker> >> [ 3.265246] scsi host4: usb-storage 1-11:1.0
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• 1962[15:18:57] <SopaXorzTaker> I've even tried modprobing "sr_mod", no change
• 1963[15:19:10] <SopaXorzTaker> just doesn't appear as anything other than a USB device
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• 1967[15:20:07] <dutchfish> SopaXorzTaker, have you looked at the output of lsusb ?
• 1968[15:20:12] <SopaXorzTaker> yep
• 1969[15:20:15] <SopaXorzTaker> it shows up there
• 1970[15:20:35] <SopaXorzTaker> >> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0840:008a Argosy Research, Inc.
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• 1972[15:20:50] <dutchfish> SopaXorzTaker, then it should work, normally .....
• 1973[15:21:06] <dutchfish> SopaXorzTaker, /dev/cdrom or something the like
• 1974[15:21:14] <SopaXorzTaker> nope
• 1975[15:21:17] <SopaXorzTaker> that is the problem
• 1976[15:21:49] <dutchfish> SopaXorzTaker, or it automounts a cd under /media
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• 1978[15:22:15] <SopaXorzTaker> nope...
• 1979[15:22:56] <dutchfish> SopaXorzTaker, can you pastebin the part form dmesg and lsusb?
• 1980[15:23:08] <SopaXorzTaker> dutchfish, sure
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• 1982[15:23:25] <dutchfish> !pastebin
• 1983[15:23:25] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 1985[15:25:22] <SopaXorzTaker> replaced-url
• 1986[15:25:53] <SopaXorzTaker> dutchfish, ^
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• 1988[15:27:30] <dutchfish> SopaXorzTaker, ok. Have you tried to manually mount it like this? sudo mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/iso
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• 1990[15:27:50] <SopaXorzTaker> dutchfish, /dev/sr0 doesn't exist
• 1991[15:27:55] <SopaXorzTaker> that's the problem...
• 1992[15:28:09] <SopaXorzTaker> oh nevermind
• 1993[15:28:24] <SopaXorzTaker> I've spent an hour before realizing it works on another USB port...
• 1994[15:28:27] <SopaXorzTaker> stupid me.
• 1995[15:28:28] <dutchfish> SopaXorzTaker, ?
• 1996[15:28:37] <dutchfish> SopaXorzTaker, ah ok
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• 1998[15:29:20] <dutchfish> SopaXorzTaker, does it work now?
• 1999[15:29:24] <SopaXorzTaker> seems to
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• 2002[15:30:06] <dutchfish> SopaXorzTaker, Ok, For automount (if you want that) see: replaced-url
• 2003[15:32:10] <dutchfish> !autofs
• 2004[15:32:10] <dpkg> autofs is a kernel-based automounter that mounts remote shares when directories are accessed. Some regard it as a hackish p.o.s. and the 5 minute default timeout for unmounting is unlikely to be what you want. replaced-url
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• 2115[16:39:33] <__marco> Hello. Which packages should I install to have Python2+GTK3?
• 2116[16:39:59] <__marco> Is python-gi enough?
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• 2163[17:10:24] <retiform> Hey I did an encryped Debian LVM install on a Chromebook that uses a UEFI for boot (custom bios). Solus boots on it, but I have been unable to get Debian to boot. It is an Acer C710
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• 2168[17:11:25] <crimson_king> retiform, what happens when you try to boot Debian?
• 2169[17:11:37] <crimson_king> what do you see?
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• 2171[17:11:59] <DreadP> hi boys
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• 2177[17:13:28] <retiform> crimson_king: I get the UEFI shell
• 2178[17:13:38] <retiform> crimson_king: boot process does not even start
• 2179[17:13:44] <retiform> I did force UEFI on install
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• 2181[17:13:49] <DreadP> really?
• 2182[17:13:56] <crimson_king> you don't even see Grub?
• 2183[17:14:06] <retiform> crimson_king: indeed. No grub
• 2184[17:14:10] <crimson_king> did u disable secure boot?
• 2185[17:14:47] <retiform> crimson_king: lemme check, I am not even sure if it has secure boot (using coreboot)
• 2186[17:15:12] <crimson_king> well, it's part of UEFI, I think it has
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• 2188[17:16:12] <retiform> crimson_king: I reallized the issue
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• 2191[17:16:25] <crimson_king> what was it?
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• 2194[17:17:21] <retiform> crimson_king: coreboot is getting confused where the Debian EFI bootloader is
• 2195[17:17:32] <retiform> to quote mrchromebox "Sounds like your Linux distro doesn't install the EFI bootloader in the default location - no worries, it's an easy fix: "
• 2196[17:17:39] <retiform> I can select the boot file manually
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• 2198[17:18:21] <retiform> boots fine when I do
• 2199[17:18:32] <crimson_king> great!
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• 2237[17:38:18] <REAMDE_> hello
• 2238[17:38:41] <REAMDE_> /etc/init.d/quagga restart
• 2239[17:38:41] <REAMDE_> bash: /etc/init.d/quagga: No such file or directory
• 2240[17:38:50] <REAMDE_> how can i fix it?
• 2241[17:38:58] <retiform> Hmm what is the preferred way to get the newest firefox version in Debian?
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• 2243[17:39:21] <REAMDE_> how do i put quagga software on init.d?
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• 2245[17:39:37] <REAMDE_> @retiform, apt install?
• 2246[17:39:54] <crimson_king> retiform, I think the safest would be via Snaps. That way it doesn't conflict
• 2247[17:39:59] <retiform> REAMDE_: Debian stable to be specific
• 2248[17:40:19] <retiform> crimson_king: should I install apparmor to go with SNAPs?
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• 2251[17:40:28] <jimm> well you'd have to put a file there, which is a shell script, that starts, stops, restarts or reloads the quagga thing
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• 2253[17:40:41] <annadane> retiform, wiki.debian.org/Firefox
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• 2258[17:42:10] <REAMDE_> @jimm, there should be one by default after installation, can i find the script any where, or i have to write it?
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• 2260[17:42:43] <REAMDE_> @jimm, alos i just need to start, stop, restart quagga... is there any other way?
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• 2262[17:43:08] <jimm> well if that's the case, you woudn't have to write it... maybe it's in there under a different name? (try ls /etc/init.d)
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• 2266[17:44:03] <REAMDE_> @jimm, there isnt any file for quagga
• 2267[17:44:07] <REAMDE_> apache2 apache-htcacheclean console-setup.sh cron dbus hwclock.sh irqbalance keyboard-setup.sh kmod networking procps rsyslog ssh sudo udev x11-common
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• 2269[17:45:10] <mtn> REAMDE_: why don't you look at the list of installed files for quagga?
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• 2272[17:46:08] <REAMDE_> @mtn, how do i see that? .... sry i donno
• 2273[17:46:40] <jimm> well if it's in a debian package, dpkg can do it
• 2274[17:46:44] <mtn> REAMDE_: you can use dpkg or synaptic
• 2275[17:46:55] <REAMDE_> dpkg
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• 2277[17:47:06] <jimm> I can't see my own text, trying to set the color of hexchat
• 2278[17:47:06] <mtn> REAMDE_: assuming you used apt to install it.
• 2279[17:47:19] <REAMDE_> @mtn, yes
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• 2285[17:49:17] <jimm> it's dpkg -L packagename to list files in an installed package
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• 2289[17:50:01] <REAMDE_> its installed alright.... but cant find a way to start it... most guides says /etc/init.d/quagga start.... which isnt working for me
• 2290[17:50:10] <REAMDE_> @jimm, root@debi:/home/rsys# dpkg -L quagga
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• 2292[17:50:21] <REAMDE_> root@debi:/home/rsys#
• 2293[17:50:50] <REAMDE_> root@debi:/home/rsys# dpkg -L quagga
• 2294[17:50:56] <jimm> , info quagga
• 2295[17:50:57] <judd> Package quagga (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: network routing daemons (metapackage). Version: 1.1.1-3+deb9u2; Size: 22.6k; Installed: 43k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2297[17:51:36] <jimm> , depends quagga
• 2298[17:51:37] <judd> Package quagga in stretch/amd64 -- depends: quagga-bgpd (= 1.1.1-3+deb9u2), quagga-core (= 1.1.1-3+deb9u2), quagga-isisd (= 1.1.1-3+deb9u2), quagga-ospf6d (= 1.1.1-3+deb9u2), quagga-ospfd (= 1.1.1-3+deb9u2), quagga-pimd (= 1.1.1-3+deb9u2), quagga-ripd (= 1.1.1-3+deb9u2), quagga-ripngd (= 1.1.1-3+deb9u2).
• 2299[17:51:47] <REAMDE_> lemme chk
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• 2303[17:54:16] <REAMDE_> replaced-url
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• 2305[17:54:29] <REAMDE_> for dpkg -L quagga
• 2306[17:54:30] <jimm> REAMDE_, so quagga is an empty package that just depends on stuff, so when you install quagga, it actually installs the depends
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• 2308[17:55:31] <REAMDE_> @jimm, so if i runh zebra and other softs from the suit it will do the same job as running quagga?
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• 2311[17:56:47] <jimm> I'm afraid I don't know exactly how quagga works, so I can't confirm or deny that
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• 2314[17:58:01] <REAMDE_> @jimm, info and depends... can you tell me a full line?
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• 2317[17:59:43] <jimm> well I wanted to know what quagga was, so I send ,info quagga... and then, since quagga itself is an empty package, I wanted to know what it depended on
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• 2325[18:00:34] <REAMDE_> , info quagga
• 2326[18:00:35] <judd> Package quagga (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: network routing daemons (metapackage). Version: 1.1.1-3+deb9u2; Size: 22.6k; Installed: 43k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2327[18:00:41] <REAMDE_> ohhhhhh
• 2328[18:00:45] <REAMDE_> now i get it
• 2329[18:01:38] <jimm> also if you /msg judd with the commands, it will reply by msg
• 2330[18:02:04] <jimm> that way it won't bug folks too much :)
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• 2332[18:02:30] <REAMDE_> hmm nice :)
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• 2334[18:03:08] <jimm> so instead of , info quagga, you'd replace the comma this way: /msg judd info quagga
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• 2338[18:04:30] <REAMDE_> that is a neat option
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• 2379[18:28:23] <wonderworld> hey, i want to download the complete Debian DVD-set. When going here replaced-url
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• 2388[18:33:25] <lldd_> wonderworld: I think they don't build more, maybe you have to use debmirror or something similar in order to download all packages
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• 2390[18:33:49] <BCMM> wonderworld: what do you mean "the rest"? are you hoping for DVD images containing literally all available debian packages?
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• 2392[18:34:48] <BCMM> huh, a debian mirror is actually "only" 266GB, for i386. that's actually somewhat feasible.
• 2393[18:34:53] <wonderworld> BCMM: yes, all the images mentioned here: replaced-url
• 2394[18:35:16] <BCMM> oh, that's interesting
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• 2397[18:36:05] <wonderworld> someone on another chan told me that they are not being built by the cd maintainers. you have to create them for yourself using Jigdo
• 2398[18:36:28] <BCMM> wonderworld: i googled the checksum for disk 4 - came up with this replaced-url
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• 2402[18:37:06] <BCMM> how often do mirrors sync?
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• 2405[18:37:54] <rant> yes apparently they stopped serving all isos due to the size of the archive now, and you are suppose to use jigdo if you want a full set..
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• 2407[18:39:44] <rant> a 14dvd set will only run you about $35 to buy em already made
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• 2409[18:39:54] <wonderworld> would be nice to at least have torrents...
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• 2411[18:40:41] <rant> replaced-url
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• 2416[18:43:42] <schuur> hi people
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• 2418[18:44:10] <schuur> I'm reinstalling Debian, but at the partition step, I can't delete my old LVM volume
• 2419[18:44:22] <schuur> It says, In use by LVM volume group pve
• 2420[18:44:23] <hyperlumic> wonderworld: Why do you need -all- of the Debian DVD images?
• 2421[18:44:42] <schuur> does anyone know how to delete a lvm partition?
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• 2426[18:45:31] <hyperlumic> schuur: Go into the logical volume manager in the installer and delete the existing logical volumes, and the volume group that contains them.
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• 2428[18:45:52] <hyperlumic> schuur: And are you installing Debian, or Proxmox?
• 2429[18:45:56] <schuur> Debian
• 2430[18:46:01] <schuur> Had Proxmox before
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• 2436[18:47:44] <schuur> hyperlumic: so at the partition step, manual -> configure logical volume?
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• 2441[18:50:40] <hyperlumic> Yup.
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• 2443[18:51:26] <schuur> replaced-url
• 2444[18:51:35] <schuur> it's giving me this error in syslog
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• 2451[18:55:49] <hyperlumic> Looks like Proxmox had something extra in its kernel that the stock kernel doesn't know how to deal with. Shocking.
• 2452[18:56:08] <hyperlumic> You may have to fire up some kind of rescue environment to wipe the disk.
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• 2454[18:56:46] <hyperlumic> Or, alternatively, go to another TTY with the Debian installer booted, and zero-write the disk with dd.
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• 2482[19:09:16] <schuur> hyperlumic: thanks, another TTY did the trick: just deleted all the parts with fdisk :D
• 2483[19:09:19] <schuur> thanks for your time
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• 2500[19:15:17] <hyperlumic> Or that, yeah. Sure thing.
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• 2512[19:19:04] <tomnor> the gnome program "files" or is it "Nautilus" can mount a usb read write
• 2513[19:19:11] <tomnor> but how do I do that manually?
• 2514[19:19:25] <hyperlumic> Via the mount command.
• 2515[19:19:36] <tomnor> yes but I have to do that as root
• 2516[19:19:46] <tomnor> then the files are note writable for my user
• 2517[19:20:22] <tomnor> mount and chown?
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• 2520[19:21:21] <lldd_> there are options in mount to assign a user to the mounted files, at least on vfat iirc
• 2521[19:21:36] <hyperlumic> Correct.
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• 2523[19:21:54] <hyperlumic> You simply have to use the applicable option to tell the system WHO owns those files while they're mounted.
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• 2526[19:22:19] <tomnor> oki, checking it...
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• 2529[19:24:08] <lldd_> Mount options for fat: uid=value and gid=value
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• 2560[19:40:44] <tomnor> hyperlumic: I was sort of thinking I could find some command that do what Nautilus is doing, just mounting it by a right click
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• 2562[19:40:58] <tomnor> but that is not available to me I guess
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• 2591[19:53:00] <grE3nox> hi
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• 2593[19:53:35] <oleg> :)
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• 2801[21:53:49] <annadane> does the installer have its own checksum checker thing so that it compares the image on the medium to what it should be?
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• 2814[22:00:11] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to get cloud-init working on Debian 8. It's working well on Debian 9, but not 8. For network configuration mostly, it's not setting up a network. I'm running Proxmox VE 5.1.x and it's the cloud-init iso9660 method for cloud-init to work (still fairly new)
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• 2854[22:30:35] <lispmacs`> hi, I have a PowerBook G4 running Jessie. Can I upgrade it to Stretch?
• 2855[22:30:46] <lispmacs`> powerpc
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• 2860[22:32:02] <annadane> powerpc support was unfortunately removed for debian 9
• 2861[22:32:40] <lispmacs`> no unofficial port or something?
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• 2864[22:34:15] <Delta706> I am looking for an ISO file creator to produce a file which burns onto a disk which is then compatible with home DVD players. devede seems to have bugs
• 2865[22:34:19] <annadane> unsure
• 2866[22:34:34] <ntd> remember those ads claiming the pp was the shit compared to x86?
• 2867[22:34:41] <ntd> "support now retired"
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• 2910[22:52:35] <ziGuy> Hi,I'm trying to use systemd to mount /tmp on a different mountpoint than /, but i don't want to use tmpfs type, any ideas what should i write in "What=" line on the mount config of systemd?
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• 2915[22:53:31] <ziGuy> "/dev/..." doesn't work
• 2916[22:54:05] <retiform> hey how can I get i3 gaps on debian
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• 2918[22:54:50] <retiform> or do I have to compile from source?
• 2919[22:55:07] <Psi-Jack> likely. Compile.
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• 2940[23:10:07] <retiform> Psi-Jack: ill just do i3 proper than
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• 2943[23:13:00] <jelly> ziGuy, add an entry to /etc/fstab?
• 2944[23:13:31] <jelly> why bother with a custom .mount unit
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• 2948[23:16:17] <ziGuy> as it didn't work with fstan
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• 2950[23:16:46] <ziGuy> *fstab
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• 2955[23:17:22] <jelly> how does it fail and what did your fstab entry look like?
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• 2957[23:18:37] <ziGuy> i followed this: replaced-url
• 2958[23:18:57] <ziGuy> and the system doesn't boot. it enters a rescue mode
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• 2964[23:19:42] <jelly> does it work when you add that then do "mount -a"?
• 2965[23:19:50] <jelly> in other words, is the entry correct?
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• 2980[23:22:39] <jelly> ziGuy, also, which debian release is this?
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• 2982[23:23:41] <ziGuy> doesn't work with mount -a, no output/error
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• 2985[23:24:03] <ziGuy> debian jessi
• 2986[23:24:47] <jelly> show your fstab.
• 2987[23:25:49] <jelly> !paste
• 2988[23:25:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 2990[23:27:05] <jelly> and output of "blkid" if you really use UUID in fstab for that mount point
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• 2994[23:31:01] <ziGuy> a little complicated, sorry, i'll try in the meantime
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• 2996[23:31:16] <ziGuy> i tried uuid and device path. both failed
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• 2998[23:33:06] <jelly> sorry. I can't comment without seeing the actual entries
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• 3001[23:34:54] <retiform> hmm how can I set it so that i do not have to type in my user name every time I login?
• 3002[23:35:02] <retiform> any way to do that?
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• 3008[23:37:19] <nullbyte_> how to remove files from /var/log after removed package?
• 3009[23:37:41] <nullbyte_> cache?
• 3010[23:38:12] <nullbyte_> becouse package has been corrupted umet dependecies i want to remove it from /var/
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• 3012[23:40:21] <jelly> nullbyte_, which file paths and which package? First thing to do is try and purge the package
• 3013[23:40:40] <jelly> !purge
• 3014[23:40:41] <dpkg> "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
• 3015[23:40:47] <nullbyte_> purge yes
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• 3021[23:42:24] <nullbyte_> thanks
• 3022[23:43:33] <nullbyte_> The following packages have unmet dependencies: cuda-9-1 : Depends: cuda-runtime-9-1 (>= 9.1.85) but it is not going to be installed
• 3023[23:43:46] <nullbyte_> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
• 3024[23:43:51] <nullbyte_> .
• 3025[23:44:10] <nullbyte_> there is nothing wrong with my package but i got this error
• 3026[23:44:37] <nullbyte_> so i don't have install any other cuda packages
• 3027[23:44:49] <nullbyte_> installed*
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• 3029[23:45:46] <nullbyte_> jelly: purge not helps with aptitude do you know?
• 3030[23:46:08] <jelly> !bat
• 3031[23:46:08] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3032[23:46:12] <jelly> nullbyte_, ^^
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• 3035[23:47:50] <nullbyte_> cuda-repo-ubuntu1704-9-1-local: status: Installed: 9.1.85-1
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• 3037[23:48:09] <nullbyte_> no errors
• 3038[23:48:37] <jelly> read what dpkg wrote above carefully, and put all the info into a pastebin
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• 3051[23:53:51] <ziGuy> allright jelly, i'm in the game: replaced-url
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• 3057[23:55:23] <jelly> ziGuy, you can't have the same UUID for / and /tmp, if you want /tmp to be a separate device, make a separate device and put a filesystem on it
• 3058[23:56:09] <jelly> so a third partition or a LVM logical volume
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• 3061[23:56:22] <ziGuy> i believe that u can do something like this with the bind option, correct me if i'm wrong
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• 3063[23:56:31] <ziGuy> i might don't have it corrently but...
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• 3070[23:59:04] <jelly> you still need to bind-mount _something_ as a source, an otherwise unused directory. I don't know how safe changing mount options on a bind-mount is.
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• 3073[23:59:58] <jelly> what's your goal?
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