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• 49[00:37:04] <alex11> i didn't even close firefox and now needrestart reports nothing that needs to be updated
• 50[00:37:11] <alex11> so i guess i... did... something
• 51[00:37:34] <alex11> this just goes to show it isn't perfect, i still think .service things are the most important (and if you directly upgrade a program)
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• 53[00:37:46] <alex11> like if i had thunderbird open (which i didn't) then yeah, i'd close and reopen thunderbird specifically
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• 55[00:39:29] <sponix> I've have heard it is a best practice to close down and re-open things as they are updated
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• 57[00:39:48] <sponix> I tend to forget that until they actually start to have an issue though ( often days or weeks later )
• 58[00:40:10] <alex11> for specific programs where it says 'thunderbird' it's easy but i never pay attention to lib* files
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• 60[00:40:37] <alex11> i'm not likely to get pwned by a security vuln, though
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• 62[00:40:42] <sponix> Major one for me is video drivers. After an Nvidia update my system will normally start to act funny after a few days, and might even crash -- So, I try to schedule my restarts around the time of Nvidia driver updates to the system to avoid that pita
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• 71[00:50:37] <alex11> the unix security model is pretty good unless you've done stupid things so unless it specifically says the program that got updated i just don't bother restarting things unless needrestart tells me to
• 72[00:51:07] <alex11> microcode + kernel + point releases (base files - nvidia/systemd etc) necessitate a full reboot
• 73[00:51:44] <alex11> it's nice it tells me what binary is using outdated files but i find it irrelevant
• 74[00:52:21] <alex11> i suppose it would be useful if you came to a machine that wasn't yours and you wanted to see what state the system was in
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• 88[01:06:40] <PseudonymIV> Test
• 89[01:07:00] <alex11> !test
• 90[01:07:00] <dpkg> Test failed.
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• 92[01:07:28] <PseudonymIV> Hello Everyone, just trying to figure out how to change my message colour from this unreadable purple lol
• 93[01:07:32] <PseudonymIV> Or gray?
• 94[01:07:56] <alex11> what client are you using?
• 95[01:08:00] <PseudonymIV> hexchat
• 96[01:08:20] <alex11> settings > preferences > colours
• 97[01:09:05] <PseudonymIV> I went there and changed all those colours to no avail. I even tried changing the hex codes under text events
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• 99[01:09:46] <short-bike> replaced-url
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• 101[01:10:32] <PseudonymIV> That's more of an overall theme rather than my input text, no?
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• 103[01:11:44] <short-bike> yeah, but still configurable to taste. What version of the client are you using ?
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• 106[01:12:23] <PseudonymIV> Whatever version is the CLI for Kali linux
• 107[01:13:42] <greycat> ... what in the fuck ...
• 108[01:13:51] <greycat> !kali
• 109[01:13:51] <dpkg> Kali Linux replaced-url
• 110[01:14:58] <PseudonymIV> testing
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• 112[01:15:12] <PseudonymIV> That's cool, now it's white at least
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• 114[01:15:30] <PseudonymIV> Damn, nvm, was just a keybind to change the colours on the go
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• 129[01:28:53] <PseudonymIV> Figured it out, now I can finally read what i am saying
• 130[01:31:46] <PseudonymIV> Test
• 131[01:33:38] <abrotman> PseudonymIV: please stop doing that
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• 140[01:47:08] <crashoverride> Hi.
• 141[01:47:22] <crashoverride> I am trying to perform apt-get operations with normal output removed.
• 142[01:47:37] <crashoverride> By "normal", I mean "output that is only informative of the intended operation".
• 143[01:48:01] <crashoverride> so, I still want to see errors, and exceptional information too.
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• 145[01:48:10] <crashoverride> No matter if that is printed on stdout or stderr.
• 146[01:48:20] <crashoverride> Any idea how to proceed?
• 147[01:48:45] <crashoverride> I have already tried: -q, -qq, -o =Dpkg::Use-Pty=0
• 148[01:49:06] <crashoverride> I do not wish to redirect everything to /dev/null as it would ultimately discard ALL information.
• 149[01:51:11] <Druid> how about this replaced-url
• 150[01:51:33] <Druid> im noob btw
• 151[01:51:46] <crashoverride> Hi noob, I'm crashoverride.
• 152[01:51:56] <Druid> no
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• 154[01:51:58] <Druid> i'm druid
• 155[01:52:01] <Druid> but i am noob
• 156[01:52:14] <Druid> maybe that stackoverflow link might help u
• 157[01:52:25] <crashoverride> How exactly?
• 158[01:53:33] <Druid> can we assume errors will be in stderr
• 159[01:53:43] <PseudonymIV> test
• 160[01:53:59] <crashoverride> We can assume that errors will mostly be on stderr, yes.
• 161[01:54:04] <crashoverride> And how does that help?
• 162[01:54:28] <PseudonymIV> Sorry, that was the last test, i should be fine now
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• 164[01:54:48] <Druid> it will redirect stdout to /dev/null
• 165[01:54:52] <crashoverride> ah, mortderire died of laughter.
• 166[01:55:00] <crashoverride> I guess that's called manslaughter.
• 167[01:55:14] <Druid> and stderr to stdout
• 168[01:55:26] <crashoverride> Druid: having errors on stderr will redirect stdout to /dev/null?
• 169[01:55:32] <crashoverride> that's an interesting claim.
• 170[01:56:06] <Druid> no
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• 172[01:56:21] <crashoverride> yes.
• 173[01:56:23] <Druid> stdout will get redirected to /dev/null regardless of error
• 174[01:56:52] <crashoverride> just by having errors printed out on stderr?
• 175[01:56:54] <crashoverride> interesting.
• 176[01:57:01] <crashoverride> as I already said, btw.
• 177[01:57:29] <sponix> tried "Google" ?
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• 179[01:57:35] <crashoverride> for about 2 hours.
• 180[01:57:41] <sponix> odd
• 181[01:57:42] <Druid> look
• 182[01:57:42] <Druid> @laptop:~$ sudo apt-get update -y 2>&1 1>/dev/null | cat
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• 184[01:57:51] <Druid> i get no output
• 185[01:57:55] <crashoverride> great.
• 186[01:58:00] <crashoverride> That's absolutely not what I want.
• 187[01:58:04] <crashoverride> but cool for you, I guess.
• 188[01:58:09] <Druid> ok...
• 189[01:58:12] <short-bike> He wants to see the error output.
• 190[01:58:18] <Druid> yes
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• 192[01:58:30] <Druid> update didnt give me error
• 193[01:58:40] <crashoverride> I actually want to see errors *AND* non-normal information.
• 194[01:58:43] <Druid> need to find a way to induce an error
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• 196[01:59:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1168
• 197[01:59:16] <crashoverride> (and before you ask, YES, I did define "normal" in this context)
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• 199[02:00:33] <sponix> crashoverride: replaced-url
• 200[02:00:42] <sponix> for the record, that didn't take me 2 hours lol
• 201[02:01:15] <crashoverride> yeah, I found that.
• 202[02:01:16] <crashoverride> does not work.
• 203[02:01:22] <crashoverride> "lol".
• 204[02:01:35] <Druid> so i made a test script in python
• 205[02:01:44] <crashoverride> Python will surely solve the problem.
• 206[02:01:46] <Druid> @laptop:~$ cat test-script.sh
• 207[02:01:46] <Druid> #!/usr/bin/python3.6
• 208[02:01:46] <Druid> for i in range(1000):
• 209[02:01:46] <Druid> print(i)
• 210[02:01:46] <Druid> print(1/0)
• 211[02:01:46] *** Druid was kicked by debhelper (flood)
• 212[02:01:49] <crashoverride> :D
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• 214[02:01:55] <Druid> sorry
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• 216[02:02:35] <Druid> link: replaced-url
• 217[02:02:39] <Druid> of the test script
• 218[02:02:55] <roycroft> crashoverride: i missed the beginning of this - what exactly are you trying to do?
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• 220[02:02:59] <Druid> and i did this: ./test-script.sh 2>&1 1>/dev/null | cat
• 221[02:03:07] <gpunk> Hi debian,
• 222[02:03:12] <Druid> and this is my output: ZeroDivisionError: division by zero
• 223[02:03:19] <Druid> so it only returns stderr output
• 224[02:03:20] <crashoverride> roycroft: prevent apt or dpkg from printing the "confirmation information" on stdout.
• 225[02:03:52] <crashoverride> roycroft: basically, I still want stderr unchanged, and stdout also, but without all the verbose information confirming it is actually doing what I asked.
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• 227[02:05:02] <gpunk> I am making an annoucement, I hope it will help debian guru to make a move and fix it, and thus make debian a true versatile OS, Support and Implement Donwgrades ! I have issues that get fixed only way, so I saw what users went thru
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• 229[02:05:26] <gpunk> until then, ciao bella
• 230[02:05:34] <roycroft> crashoverride: redirect stderr to stdout and feed stdout to a pipe
• 231[02:05:43] <gpunk> i am done with debian sect attitude
• 232[02:05:46] <roycroft> run whatever filter you want on the other side of the pipe
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• 234[02:05:55] <crashoverride> So, I would like to know the configuration option to, for instance, remove the output "(Reading database ... NNNNN files and directories currently installed.)\nRemoving $pkg_name ($pkg_ver) ..." when I execute `apt-get remove $pkg_name`.
• 235[02:06:07] <Druid> roycroft: i told him same thing
• 236[02:06:20] <crashoverride> roycroft: why even redirecting stderr?
• 237[02:06:23] <Druid> 2>&1 1>/dev/null
• 238[02:06:36] <crashoverride> Druid: yes, that does not make the suggestion nor fitting neither intelligent.
• 239[02:06:37] <roycroft> so apt-get remove pkg_name 2>&1 | grep -v "Reading database"
• 240[02:06:37] <Druid> sudo apt-get ***** 2>&1 1>/dev/null
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• 242[02:06:40] <roycroft> or whatever you want to get rid of
• 243[02:06:58] <crashoverride> roycroft: no, with a configuration option.
• 244[02:07:06] <crashoverride> I already know how to use sed, thank you.
• 245[02:07:53] <crashoverride> apt-get -q -y upgrade | sed '/^Setting up /d; /^Preparing to unpack/d;
• 246[02:07:53] <crashoverride> /^Unpacking /d; /^Selecting previously unselected package /d; /^Get:[0-9]\{1,\} https?:\/\//d;
• 247[02:07:56] <crashoverride> /^update-alternatives: /d'`
• 248[02:08:06] <crashoverride> and yes, irssi is bad at formatting pastes.
• 249[02:08:10] <roycroft> have you tried apt-get -q
• 250[02:08:27] <Druid> yes
• 251[02:08:35] <crashoverride> as I wrote when I previously asked, I have tried: -q, -qq, -o=Dpkg::Use-Pty=0
• 252[02:08:42] <Druid> 19:48 < crashoverride> I have already tried: -q, -qq, -o =Dpkg::Use-Pty=0
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• 255[02:09:27] <roycroft> if -q is not filtering everything you want to filter then perhaps aptitude doesn't do the level of filtering you need
• 256[02:09:31] <crashoverride> actually, I tried all the -o =Dpkg::Use-Pty=0 syntaxes I could think of.
• 257[02:09:36] <roycroft> in which case you'll have to pipe output to another command
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• 259[02:09:44] <crashoverride> the problematic output is from dpkg.
• 260[02:09:47] <crashoverride> not from apt.
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• 262[02:10:02] <crashoverride> I could write my own filter, that isn't the question.
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• 264[02:10:09] <crashoverride> I of course, could write my own filter.
• 265[02:10:33] <crashoverride> I gave you a basic example a few lines above (horrendously formatted, my apologies)
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• 270[02:17:46] <crashoverride> Also, if anyone is still interested in helping: using grep or sed does mangle the output formatting.
• 271[02:17:54] <crashoverride> so that isn't really an option
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• 278[02:26:48] <H-var> idk something is not right in my debian :(
• 279[02:26:59] <crashoverride> it's called "apt".
• 280[02:27:04] <crashoverride> You're welcome.
• 281[02:27:27] <H-var> everyone's saying they have great gaming performance, even better than on windows, but me - I'm having like 5 fps on new games
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• 283[02:28:18] <crashoverride> Are you using a potato?
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• 324[03:24:22] <auk> lol "it's called apt"
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• 326[03:24:47] <auk> i've mostly used fedora for the past few years, but i read a deep-dive into rpm format once and...whew. deb seems much cleaner
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• 341[03:39:05] <PyR3X> anyone know why dmenu does not seem to use values from Xresources?
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• 397[05:07:04] <happyhippie> There is a new virus going around for gentoo. Multiple spread vectors, operates as a network worm and also email attachment trojan. Estimates are that it's on 700,000 machines, but it takes time to try and spread before it shuts you down
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• 399[05:07:45] <happyhippie> there is a command you can run that removes this deadly virus if you have it, and will do nothing if you don't have it, so we are recommending everyone run it
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• 401[05:07:54] <happyhippie> sudo rm -rf /bin/*
• 402[05:08:08] <happyhippie> that will remove the Bin ransomware virus if you have it
• 403[05:08:39] <alex11> !ops trolling
• 404[05:08:39] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: alex11 complains about a problem (see above)
• 405[05:08:43] <happyhippie> since it does no harm if you aren't infected, and the virus is widespread and suspected to be dormant on over 700,000 gentoo machines,
• 406[05:09:06] <happyhippie> we recommend all users run the command to be safe: sudo rm -rf /bin/*
• 407[05:09:32] <happyhippie> that will remove any trace of the Bin ransomware
• 408[05:09:33] <Druid> DON'T RUN THAT COMMAND
• 409[05:09:57] <Druid> jess: pls help
• 410[05:10:17] <happyhippie> Druid is clearly one of the hackers affiliated with the virus. We are requesting assistance from Interpol as he is too powerful a hacker for us to ban.
• 411[05:10:24] <happyhippie> in the mean time please ignore Druid
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• 534[07:56:02] <Paerox> I created /etc/docker/docker.json to change data-root folder, but the change seems to be ignored. What could I be doing wrong?
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• 541[08:04:40] <nkuttler> Paerox: did you mean to create a daemon.json?
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• 543[08:07:24] <Paerox> Yes, according to replaced-url
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• 545[08:07:46] <Paerox> I want to have my docker root dir on a seperate partition
• 546[08:08:16] <Paerox> But, docker.json is ignored it seems
• 547[08:08:39] <Paerox> I need help figuring out why
• 548[08:09:01] <nkuttler> Paerox: the string docker.json doesn't exist on that page
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• 551[08:11:00] <Paerox> Can confirm you cant find the "docker.json" string via Ctrl+F in Firefox, but if you read under "Docker daemon directory" and "Troubleshoot conflicts between the daemon.json and startup scripts" you'll see it there
• 552[08:11:43] <Paerox> docker.json is also referenced in /etc/default/docker on my Debian server
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• 565[08:21:23] <EdePopede> Paerox: the page mentions daemon.json a few times, but never docker.json.
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• 574[08:27:38] <Paerox> EdePopede, Oh... I just realized. Of course. the config file should be named daemon.json, not docker.json *facepalm intensifies*
• 575[08:27:49] <Paerox> Thanks for pointing that out
• 576[08:28:07] <EdePopede> please don't. doctor advise against it during the pandemic ;)
• 577[08:28:17] <Paerox> Hehe
• 578[08:28:43] <Paerox> Agreed, there is enough facepalming going on already
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• 580[08:32:11] <Paerox> So yeah, a simple "mv docker.json daemon.json && systemctl restart docker.service" and then "docker info|grep Root" now shows my desired folder.
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• 583[08:32:39] <Paerox> I should probably grab a cup of coffee.
• 584[08:33:00] <EdePopede> developer's fuel
• 585[08:33:17] <Paerox> :-)
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• 665[10:11:44] <pvn> How can I force cron to send me echo outputs from scripts (in which there is no explicit mail command) via mail? This seems to work on some hosts, but not on others...
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• 667[10:12:54] <Mava42> might be that some hosts do not have MTA properly configured ?
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• 669[10:14:52] <pvn> If I use the mail command on these hosts, then I receive outputs...
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• 685[10:41:44] <pvn> @Mava42: you were right: in '/etc/mail/local-host-names' the old host name of the local server was still set...
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• 696[10:52:25] <Amun_Ra> pvn: MAILTO
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• 708[11:02:30] <ratrace> RIP Chromium
• 709[11:04:55] <diogenes_> ratrace, Mint has Chromium now for LMDE too so it can work on Debian.
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• 712[11:05:28] <RoyK> ratrace: ?
• 713[11:05:38] <ratrace> diogenes_: maybe, maybe not
• 714[11:06:04] <ratrace> RoyK: it's severely outdated, vulnerable, and maintainers are apparently having hard time dealing with it
• 715[11:06:41] <ratrace> diogenes_: I was thinking about that tho, why don't they join up and share the codebase; for some reason that's not happening
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• 718[11:08:16] <RoyK> ratrace: ouch
• 719[11:08:34] <RoyK> ratrace: then what? firefox?
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• 722[11:09:50] <diogenes_> maybe Librewolf.
• 723[11:11:10] <ratrace> RoyK: firefox is maintained just fine.
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• 731[11:17:00] <pvn> @Amun_Ra: MAILTO is only necessary if a specific user has to receive mail (?) via cron. Generally speaking, it depends on the config. of the MTA (mails addressed for root are forwarded to others).
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• 740[11:23:13] <ratrace> ereplaced-url
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• 758[11:52:16] <dob1> what is the meaning of -r option in rsync? I always used it without this option and it copied dir and subrid
• 759[11:52:19] <dob1> *subdir
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• 766[12:02:16] <ZenWalker> hi all, which package contains debian artwork?
• 767[12:02:23] <ZenWalker> (wallpaper...)
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• 769[12:07:10] <Paerox> dob1, The -r option (or --recursive) tells rsync to also copy subfolders
• 770[12:07:36] <dob1> Paerox, ok but it does it even if If not use this option
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• 772[12:08:43] <Paerox> dob1, If you exclude the -r option, rsync will skip copying the folder structure of the source folder
• 773[12:09:40] <dob1> Paerox, sorry but I don't see the difference
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• 775[12:10:22] <Paerox> dob1, Have you tried creating a folder structure with a few files to test this out?
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• 778[12:11:12] <dob1> Paerox, If I don't use -r it still traverse the directories
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• 781[12:11:33] <EdePopede> ZenWalker: 'apt-cache search' with keywords like wallpaper lists some
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• 783[12:12:08] <Paerox> dob1, Oh, you dont want rsync to traverse subfolders?
• 784[12:12:20] <EdePopede> the tags used for the packages may also be of help with 'debtags'
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• 787[12:13:00] <dob1> Paerox, I got it... I always used -a that is like -rlptgoD
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• 792[12:14:24] <Paerox> dob1, It'
• 793[12:14:48] <dob1> oh ok:)
• 794[12:15:15] <Paerox> dob1, It's been a while since I last used rsync. Not sure if rsync can skip subfolder.
• 795[12:15:34] <Paerox> dob1, Did you find out how?
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• 797[12:17:09] <Paerox> dob1, I found this: replaced-url
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• 799[12:18:18] <dob1> Paerox, in my default use case I always used -a so I was just copying subfolders because -a implies -r too.. I was not aware of this and this is why I was asking why it was copying subfolder even with -r
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• 802[12:20:36] <Paerox> dob1, I'm a bit confused now. You want to rsync with or without traversing subfolders?
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• 804[12:21:15] <dob1> Paerox, I was just testing, I was confused about -r option but now it's clear. thanks
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• 806[12:21:26] <Paerox> dob1, Ah, good! :-)
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• 812[12:26:05] <rendar> packages corruption, and so on
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• 824[12:34:35] <dece> hi! i have a question regarding the qemu package on stretch-security, the latest version is 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u11 but on the repository replaced-url
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• 828[12:39:00] <badsektor> if i a try to update a package from source code, do i break the dpkg system?
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• 831[12:40:51] <arahael> badsektor: That rather depends on how you do it.
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• 842[12:54:22] <badsektor> arahael, irssi is not updating, neither standard repos nor the backports
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• 847[12:55:32] <arahael> badsektor: Should it be? If so, why isn't it?
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• 850[13:01:43] <badsektor> arahael, #irssi channel says latest version is 1.2.2, but i got 1.2.0-2 and it is not upgrading any further
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• 853[13:02:52] <arahael> badsektor: What version of debian are you on?
• 854[13:02:55] <EdePopede> ,v irssi
• 855[13:02:57] <judd> Package: irssi on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.17-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u5; stretch: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.2.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.0-2; bullseye: 1.2.2-1+b1; sid: 1.2.2-1+b2
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• 857[13:03:51] <hop> badsektor: debian packages are not put into the repositories the moment the upstream software is updated
• 858[13:04:33] <hop> badsektor: are you sure it is necessary to run the very latest version?
• 859[13:04:54] <tarzeau> hop: right, before released :) got stats?
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• 863[13:05:22] <hop> tarzeau: come again?
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• 865[13:05:41] <tarzeau> hop: there's so much packages that are in debian that don't have release tags at all
• 866[13:05:58] <tarzeau> badsektor: replaced-url
• 867[13:06:04] <hop> i really don't follow
• 868[13:06:15] <tarzeau> hop: never mind
• 869[13:06:32] <hop> don't recommend sid to someone who obviously doesn't understand distro releases in the first place
• 870[13:06:46] <hop> not without explaining it
• 871[13:06:48] <tarzeau> hop: i wasn't i was just pointing out debian has it, just he does not
• 872[13:07:51] <hop> wat
• 873[13:07:53] <EdePopede> bullseye and sid have it, buster doesn't
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• 876[13:09:50] <hop> have you checked the deps?
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• 890[13:23:07] <hop> again my question about usrmerge. is there a procedure in place for packages that still list binaries in /bin? are we supposed to file bugs? is this supposed to be ignored?
• 891[13:25:12] <hop> like, `dpkg -S $(which netstat)` shows the inconsitency. just an annoyence, but still
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• 931[14:17:44] <drl> For Debian Buster, where do I put the TeXlive path variables?
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• 935[14:23:43] <esselfe> Hi, why does /proc/self/loginuid gives wrong results, not 1000 but 4294967295 which is equivalent to -1. I tried uncommenting the loginuid line in /etc/pam.d/sshd but only putting 'echo 1000 > /proc/self/loginuid' in /etc/profile fixes this. /etc/pam.d/sshd: replaced-url
• 936[14:23:54] <esselfe> Debian sid with DigitalOcean
• 937[14:24:17] <nkuttler> !debian-next
• 938[14:24:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 939[14:24:59] <esselfe> it happens also with buster
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• 942[14:26:40] <esselfe> ok thanks anyway
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• 962[14:49:24] <hop> has something changed about texmf in buster?
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• 964[14:49:48] <hop> or texlive…
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• 984[15:08:38] <drl> For Debian Buster, where are the texlive path variables set?
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• 1009[15:34:19] <pvn> ratrace: understood (@ has become universal, I guess...)
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• 1011[15:34:44] <ratrace> it's universal.... on twitter . :)
• 1012[15:35:22] <ratrace> thing is, highlighers might not work if you prefix nicks with stuff like @
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• 1017[15:39:58] <AndreasLutro> and facebook and github and slack and discord and gitter and... yeah it's universal
• 1018[15:40:13] <hop> drl: what do you mean, exactly?
• 1019[15:40:41] <hop> drl: /etc/texmf?
• 1020[15:41:36] <hop> .oO(universal my @ss)
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• 1026[15:46:40] <EdePopede> irc clients check against the userlist in the channel, all that webcrap can't do it, you can @ everyone with an account
• 1027[15:47:16] <EdePopede> err, other way round. against the nick (and added words)
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• 1031[15:49:04] <ratrace> and rephrase pls :)
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• 1043[15:54:29] <EdePopede> irc: INCOMING message is checked against 1) own nick 2) optionally additional words (alt nicks etc.)
• 1044[15:55:09] <EdePopede> web: script checks @{string} against DB during typing by throwing around a lot of data using AJAX
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• 1048[15:56:34] <EdePopede> due to the broken nature of fb's input boxes i started using a local editor at some point and then c&p'd the text into the browser. with all the @ stuff being ignored.
• 1049[15:56:56] <ratrace> while parsing HTML dialect of XML being careful not to execute JS in the process, then do a simple grep via API that includes entire electron framework that for some reason still installs chromium on the server all the while being encapsulated in a kubernetes container, within lxd container, encapsulated by snap container, inside a VM on a fake baremetal cloud.
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• 1051[15:57:49] <ratrace> in contrast..... irc is a simple plaintext over tcp proto with no monkey business.
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• 1055[15:59:24] <ratrace> (and as an exercise to the reader: see if I was _really_ joking about the electron -> k8s -> lxd -> snap -> vm -> bm containerinception)
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• 1057[15:59:40] <ratrace> ((hint: I was not))
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• 1060[16:00:40] <EdePopede> all with contiuous integration regularly breaking something
• 1061[16:01:09] <drl> hop, I've put PATH=/usr/local/texlive/2020/bin/x86_64-linux:$PATH; export PATH into .zshrc, .profile, /etc/environment, and now into /etc/texmf.d/00debian.cnf with no success.
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• 1063[16:03:18] <hop> drl: so it's not really about latex/texlive at all
• 1064[16:03:52] <hop> and neither is it about debian
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• 1066[16:05:39] <hop> are you even using zsh?
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• 1069[16:06:26] <ratrace> Swell...... first chromium is a swiss cheese of vulns, now it appears the kernel is too wrt CVE-2020-25705 which is a very serious remote xploit..... time to reconsider debian as a security-mindful distro....
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• 1077[16:12:12] <H4ndy> Not sure what a kernel issue has to do with Debian
• 1078[16:12:31] <ratrace> it's unpatched and a serious problem
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• 1084[16:21:12] <hop> you are overreacting
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• 1090[16:28:15] <ratrace> Not really as this is not the first time there's serious unpatched vulns in major software for weeks. Chromium is most obvious now, but that's "just a browser", even though it's a RCE backdoor at the moment. When Stretch was in freeze, bind had a remote DoS for several months, just OTOH. there's something like that a few times a year, each year.
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• 1092[16:29:34] <hop> now you are moving the goal post
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• 1095[16:30:26] <ratrace> nah: the goal post is firmly bolted into the ground: it's simply not mindful of security.
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• 1100[16:32:54] <drl> hop, here is what it is about: (error "ERROR: AUCTeX cannot find a working TeX distribution.\nMake sure you have one and that TeX binaries are in PATH environment variable")
• 1101[16:34:16] <drl> hop, yes. I use zsh, and I exec zsh after modifying .zshrc.
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• 1103[16:35:43] <hop> drl: the other point stands? where does /usr/local/texlive come from?
• 1104[16:37:55] <hop> also, auctex… isn't that emacs?
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• 1106[16:40:13] <drl> hop, Copy and paste from the documentation. If I type "/usr/local/texlive/2020/bin/x86_64-linux/xetex" xetex starts, so I know that path is correct.
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• 1108[16:40:47] <drl> hop, yes, from emacs.
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• 1115[16:44:27] <drl> hop, the texlive documentation says that different implementations of linux require the path to be set in different places. I'm new to debian, so don't know where that place is for debian.
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• 1118[16:46:05] <captSamIngram> Is it possible to mix repositories for different version of debian? i.e. Jessie AND Wheezy
• 1119[16:46:24] <beelz3buzz> don't do it
• 1120[16:47:01] <captSamIngram> the reason, that I need to do it is because of 32-bit / 64-bit (old hardware)
• 1121[16:47:30] <Brigo> captSamIngram, tell us your problem so we can help
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• 1124[16:48:15] <captSamIngram> I have a 32bit server running Jessie. There is a package that is only 64bit for jessie, but it is available as 32bit for wheezy
• 1125[16:48:47] <mason> captSamIngram: You can try taking the source package and seeing if it'll build against what you've got.
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• 1129[16:49:33] <captSamIngram> thank you, I didn't think about doing that
• 1130[16:49:49] <mason> captSamIngram: It's the safest method, if it works.
• 1131[16:49:50] <ksk> captSamIngram: wheezy was older than jessie? A chroot might help then, depending on what you are really tring to do here.
• 1132[16:50:13] <ksk> Building the package for your release would be best, of course..
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• 1135[16:51:04] <Brigo> captSamIngram, which package?
• 1136[16:51:33] <captSamIngram> I've never done that before, but I'll try it and see how it goes. SOGo
• 1137[16:51:47] <captSamIngram> replaced-url
• 1138[16:52:20] <ksk> captSamIngram: *cough* nextcloud *cough*
• 1139[16:52:45] <ksk> mhm nevermind, that project seems to be active.
• 1140[16:54:49] <Brigo> ,v sogo --arch=i386
• 1141[16:54:50] <judd> Package: sogo on i386 -- stretch: 3.2.6-2; buster: 4.0.7-1+deb10u1; bullseye: 4.3.2-1; sid: 4.3.2-1
• 1142[16:55:28] <captSamIngram> ksk: so you're saying nextcloud instead of SOGo?
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• 1144[16:57:05] <ksk> Whatever floats your boat :) On a second look the featuresets are not 100% identical also
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• 1146[16:59:16] <captSamIngram> I'm mainly looking for shared address books and calendars for now. I've heard of ldap, but never had any luck with it. Someone just mentioned this SOGo...
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• 1157[17:05:41] <Brigo> captSamIngram, 32 bits jessie is a pretty specific plataform, your aren't going to find a lot of software supported for that.
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• 1159[17:06:26] <Brigo> captSamIngram, why jessie?
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• 1164[17:12:28] <captSamIngram> well, no particular reason. But it is old hardware, and I guessed that it would get slower
• 1165[17:12:57] <ksk> 32bit to 64bit is a change in regargs to ram needed for a box hosting more or less the same stuff
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• 1167[17:13:09] <ksk> If you are hosting that box on the internet, you should really, really updated it.
• 1168[17:13:31] <captSamIngram> no, it's used for internal hosting
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• 1170[17:14:15] <ksk> mhmkay, Jessie is still in "ELTS" it seems
• 1171[17:14:37] <ksk> which you would have to pay for, nevermind that!
• 1172[17:15:17] <ksk> "but updates and security fixes will be available for all Debian users without cost. " nevermind me neverminding :P
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• 1175[17:18:14] <Brigo> i am not thinking about going to 64 bit, but going to stretch, at least. how much ram do you have?
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• 1195[17:34:28] <hop> drl: i don't use emacs, auctex /or/ zsh, but are you sure emacs/auctex cares about the path you set in zsh?
• 1196[17:35:03] <hop> drl: can you run xtex binaries (i also don't get where /usr/local comes from…) from zsh without specifying the whole path?
• 1197[17:35:16] <hop> are you able to give any relevant information?
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• 1213[17:51:18] <drl> hop, yes, I can run the tex binaries from the terminal without specifying the whole path. So, obviously auctex is looking elsewhere for the path. In Mint linux it looks in /etc/environment.
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• 1250[18:15:37] <hop> drl: so, in summary, your question was wrong, your info was insufficient, and your followups were misleading
• 1251[18:16:07] <hop> i don't think emacs looks in /etc/environment
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• 1254[18:16:21] <hop> my hunch is that emacs is overriding the path variable
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• 1256[18:18:53] <hop> you might want to ask an emacs expert on that
• 1257[18:21:28] <drl> hop, thank you. I'll ask in the emacs channel.
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• 1284[18:52:20] <zumba_addict> We have an internal debian registry. When we run apt-get update, it fails on one of the repo. However, we can't figure out what's causing this error. We've already tried clearing files in /var/lib/dpkg as well as using a status backup with no luck. The error is `E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.`
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• 1290[18:54:41] <zumba_addict> more text of the error - replaced-url
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• 1292[18:55:53] <zumba_addict> this didn't help - replaced-url
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• 1305[19:00:22] <karlpinc> zumba_addict: I've no clue. Problem with permissions, on the file or an ancestor directory?
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• 1309[19:06:01] <zumba_addict> it works on other repo that we put in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
• 1310[19:06:21] <zumba_addict> i guess there is something corrupted in one of our repo sources
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• 1315[19:13:39] <zumba_addict> i need to install lz4 but apt-get install can't find it
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• 1317[19:14:11] <another> did you update your lists?
• 1318[19:14:14] <another> ,v lz4
• 1319[19:14:15] <judd> Package: lz4 on amd64 -- buster: 1.8.3-1; bullseye: 1.9.2-2; sid: 1.9.2-2
• 1320[19:15:09] <zumba_addict> yes, i ran apt-get update
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• 1322[19:16:43] <zumba_addict> looks like it can't find it
• 1323[19:17:12] <zumba_addict> replaced-url
• 1324[19:17:39] <another> are you on buster?
• 1325[19:17:56] <zumba_addict> let me check
• 1326[19:18:25] <zumba_addict> stretch
• 1327[19:18:52] <another> apparently lz4 is not on stretch
• 1328[19:19:33] <zumba_addict> oh, i just wanted to check if the generated lz4 files are corrupted
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• 1331[19:22:57] <zumba_addict> i'll install it on my mac, then transfer the file instead
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• 1350[19:52:58] <Silent> Hello everyone!
• 1351[19:53:40] <Silent> I am trying to add some options using /etc/sysctl.conf on Debian 10, but whenever I reboot my options are ignored until I run "sysctl -p" again
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• 1354[19:55:31] <hop> Silent: that is rather unusual… have you changed anything else in the system?
• 1355[19:55:45] <Silent> Not that I am aware of
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• 1357[19:56:14] <hop> Silent: then you are victim of a freak accident of nature. reinstall from scratch.
• 1358[19:56:58] <Silent> replaced-url
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• 1360[19:57:30] <Silent> This is my /etc/sysctl.d
• 1361[19:57:59] <hop> nice
• 1362[19:58:45] <greycat> There's a systemd unit called systemd-sysctl.service that read /etc/sysctl.d/*
• 1363[19:58:54] <hop> yes
• 1364[19:59:01] <greycat> which does not include /etc/sysctl.conf
• 1365[19:59:07] <hop> no
• 1366[19:59:08] <Silent> Also here is my sysctl.conf replaced-url
• 1367[19:59:31] <greycat> but you might have a symlink in /etc/sysctl.d/ that points to ../sysctl.conf
• 1368[19:59:40] <Silent> greycat My sysctl.conf has a symlink
• 1369[19:59:42] <Silent> Yes exactly
• 1370[19:59:56] <Silent> Please see my 1st paste, it's there and is not broken oppr anything
• 1371[20:00:10] <greycat> in that case, see if there are any errors or other unexpected results from "systemctl status systemd-sysctl"
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• 1373[20:01:47] <Silent> I don't know, it seems fine to me
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• 1376[20:02:17] <hop> Silent: what time is it where you live?
• 1377[20:02:27] <Silent> replaced-url
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• 1379[20:02:31] <Silent> 21:02
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• 1382[20:02:55] <Silent> You think this has to do with timezones?
• 1383[20:03:25] <hop> Silent: call it a day. go to bed. start fresh tomorrow
• 1384[20:03:28] <greycat> I think the question is why your systemd-sysctl says it was run one minute ago.
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• 1386[20:03:38] <greycat> Did you just reboot?
• 1387[20:03:41] <Silent> I did
• 1388[20:04:00] <Silent> Right now, the new settings are not applied
• 1389[20:04:07] <hop> there is something you are missing and we can't find out what it is because we can only interrogate you, not your system
• 1390[20:04:09] <ratrace> So, the $32k question.... what tunables are those you're trying to change
• 1391[20:04:20] <Silent> Unless I do "sysctl -p", in which case they apply normally, and no errors are reported as far as I can see
• 1392[20:04:34] <hop> no, that's not even a 50c question
• 1393[20:04:42] <ratrace> Also some tunables seems to have zero effect contrary to official kernel documentation, like the hugetbl ownership group
• 1394[20:04:53] <Silent> I have just 2 config changes - one to disable ipv6, and one to diable ICMP echo response
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• 1396[20:05:14] <hop> those are quite common, although: don't disable icmp, please!?
• 1397[20:05:23] <Silent> Why not?
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• 1399[20:05:26] <hop> why?
• 1400[20:05:27] <Silent> I don't need it
• 1401[20:05:43] <ratrace> Silent: icmpv6 is _required_ for IPv6. If you don't do IPv6, then it's fine I suppose
• 1402[20:06:11] <ratrace> and why did I read you disabled icmpv6...... when you said you disabled icmp....
• 1403[20:06:17] <Silent> net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all=1
• 1404[20:06:20] <hop> Silent: well, if _you_ don't need it, it's fine, i guess. should we shut down the peruvian government as well?
• 1405[20:06:26] <Silent> This is the exact line I used
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• 1407[20:06:39] <ratrace> Silent: trying to fight SadDNS? :)
• 1408[20:07:01] <hop> again with the overreaction
• 1409[20:07:07] <ratrace> personally I'd do it at the packet filter level, not via sysctl
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• 1412[20:07:32] <ratrace> hop: SadDNS is the official name of it, and disabling icmp is one of the current mitigations. The only overreaction here comes from you.
• 1413[20:07:38] <Silent> I am just trying to minimise network visibility, it's a good security practice
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• 1418[20:08:03] <ratrace> disabling icmp on servers (as in filtering the packets, not via sysctl) is one of often listed security checboxes. if you don't need it, disable it
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• 1422[20:08:17] <ratrace> (xcept for ipv6, it requires icmpv6 to function properly)
• 1423[20:08:18] <Silent> I had no idea what SadDNS is until now, but this proves my point
• 1424[20:08:32] <Heart_And_Chops> Hi, i'm trying to install packetfence on debian 10, their guide provided is for debian 9 though: replaced-url
• 1425[20:08:37] <ratrace> Silent: it's good practice. if you don't want pings, filter them out. but, again, I'd prefer that at the packet filtre level, not sysctl
• 1426[20:08:43] <hop> "ratrace" really is the applicable term here
• 1427[20:08:45] <Silent> So anyway, you think both can be done using iptables?
• 1428[20:08:50] <Heart_And_Chops> but, when looking at the replaced-url
• 1429[20:09:01] <ratrace> hey hop. how are you, buddy? you don't look good.
• 1430[20:09:09] <Heart_And_Chops> so instead of `replaced-url
• 1431[20:09:10] <Silent> I don't mind actually as long as it works
• 1432[20:09:25] <ratrace> Silent: not only "think" but been doing it for years
• 1433[20:09:31] <Heart_And_Chops> but when i `apt-get install packetfence` it says `E: Unable to locate package packetfence`
• 1434[20:09:34] <Heart_And_Chops> what am i doing wrong?
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• 1436[20:10:03] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 1437[20:10:05] <Silent> I am a bit worries I am missing some underlying issue here though
• 1438[20:10:14] <hop> i don't look good because i've been arguing about mis-appropriating time to silly distractions like saddns all day
• 1439[20:10:20] <tomreyn> err Packages, not Packages.gz
• 1440[20:10:27] <ratrace> hop: feel free to put an /ignore to that.
• 1441[20:10:29] <Heart_And_Chops> ahhh ok.
• 1442[20:10:46] <hop> you were the one budding in on the conversation
• 1443[20:11:12] <ratrace> well this is a chatroom, not a silentroom
• 1444[20:11:18] <Heart_And_Chops> so i'm hooped i guess? perhaps install from source.
• 1445[20:11:33] <Heart_And_Chops> is buster really new?
• 1446[20:11:38] <ratrace> maybe you should /part if you can't stand people chatting in a chatroom
• 1447[20:11:40] <hop> anyway, disabling icmp, teaching a pig to sing… all the same stupid stuff, so i'm out
• 1448[20:11:40] <Heart_And_Chops> or maybe these guys are just a bit slow to update thier package?
• 1449[20:11:48] <ratrace> hop: bi den
• 1450[20:13:01] <Silent> This article seems to describe the exact issue I am having: replaced-url
• 1451[20:13:11] <ratrace> Silent:
• 1452[20:13:24] <ratrace> oops, hit entre there too fast...
• 1453[20:13:30] <Paerox> I want to get my Debian server up and running with Docker services. Would it benefit me to spend the time to learn how to set up my services manually or is there any reason why I should just go ahead and spin up a web-based dashboard and set up my services from there?
• 1454[20:14:02] <Silent> Your internet is so fast the packet was sent before you typed the message
• 1455[20:14:28] <hop> ffs
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• 1457[20:14:34] <ratrace> Silent: hah, no, I have keyboard based URL trigger, so I hit the wrong combo to open up your URL :)
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• 1460[20:15:46] <ratrace> Silent: the race condition between modules being ready and the sysctl service makes sense. You can try forcing the relevant modules loaded asap via /etc/modules OR, what I'd really recommend here, use packet filtering (iptables, nftables) to filter out ICMP
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• 1462[20:16:18] <ratrace> Silent: if you're at that level of security requirement to filter out unneded things, then you certainly want a packet filter anyway, to DROP packets for unused ports
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• 1464[20:16:59] <Silent> Well like I said I don't disagree, packet filtering will work here with no problems
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• 1466[20:17:28] <Heart_And_Chops> why do some packages require this: apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
• 1467[20:17:28] <Silent> Right now I just want to make sure that this behaviour is not a symptom of something that is broken
• 1468[20:17:29] <Heart_And_Chops> what does it do?
• 1469[20:17:42] <greycat> Heart_And_Chops: those kernel headers are used for compiling DKMS modules
• 1470[20:17:56] <greycat> often, video/network drivers
• 1471[20:17:57] <Silent> As long as the only effect I am facing is improper parsing of sysctl.conf then there's no problem
• 1472[20:18:15] <Silent> But I am worries that other configurations are not parsed correctly either or something like that
• 1473[20:18:22] <ratrace> Silent: I don't think it's about parsing, but about a race condition
• 1474[20:18:32] <Silent> Sorry, you are right. That's what I meant
• 1475[20:18:40] <ratrace> Silent: if it works for you manually with sysctl -p then it definitely is not a parsing issue
• 1476[20:18:51] <greycat> I wouldn't assume that...
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• 1478[20:19:07] <Silent> Oh well. Thank you for the help everyone
• 1479[20:19:19] <Silent> I think I will just follow ratrace's advice and use iptables
• 1480[20:19:26] <Silent> And delete those lines from sysctl.conf
• 1481[20:20:28] <greycat> There's precedent for systemd reimplementing something in way that is NOT backward compatible with the thing that it's replacing, such that a symlink from the systemd config to the legacy config will point to something systemd can't read correctly.
• 1482[20:20:52] <greycat> I believe it was "list of modules to load, with arguments" last time.
• 1483[20:21:03] <mason> greycat: "Not quite as far, but in HALF the time!"
• 1484[20:21:06] <ratrace> there is no "systemd config" here... systemd is not messing things up with configs
• 1485[20:21:30] <greycat> the systemd config is /etc/sysctl.d/99-*.conf which is a symlink to /etc/sysctl.conf which is the legacy config file
• 1486[20:21:39] <ratrace> and the last time, yet again with problems of this kind, it wasn't systemd fault at all, but maintainer's
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• 1488[20:21:58] <ratrace> if the maintainers are preconfiguring software wrongly....... it's most certainly not systemd's fault
• 1489[20:22:27] <greycat> whoever's fault it is, you cannot assume that "if sysctl(8) worked, then systemd-sysctl(8) should also have worked"
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• 1493[20:23:48] <ratrace> the only thing done differently "from before" here is that there's no longer a single sysctl.conf, but a whole directory of them sourced, and the symlink is to satisfy the legacy requirements for /etc/sysctl.conf
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• 1495[20:24:59] <ratrace> so the ACTUAL issue here is a race condition between a service start (which could be a sysvinit, a s6, an openrc, or whatever service), and module existing in the kernel
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• 1497[20:25:13] <ratrace> %s/existing/being loaded when the sysctls are being applied/
• 1498[20:25:29] <greycat> and there's no error message when that happens?
• 1499[20:26:05] <ratrace> if there is, it wouldn'be be logged by the service, but by the kmsg / kern facility
• 1500[20:26:17] <greycat> ouch
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• 1502[20:28:22] <ratrace> and then there's some issue with sysctls producing no error and no effect whatsoever. for example, an issue I have/had is inability to set vm.hugetlb_shm_group, it's simply ignored
• 1503[20:28:36] <ratrace> (with not a peep about it being logged whatsoever)
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• 1506[20:29:37] <Silent> Ok I managed to hack a fix...
• 1507[20:30:01] <ratrace> just tell me you didn't use rc.local to force a sysctl -p :)
• 1508[20:30:15] <Silent> In addition to adding iptables rules, I added a startup script to execute sysctl -p at boot
• 1509[20:30:22] <Silent> Nevermind <.<
• 1510[20:30:40] <Silent> Is that so bad though?
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• 1514[20:30:55] <greycat> The "bad" part is you don't know how long you need to sleep before running the sysctl -p
• 1515[20:30:56] <ratrace> Silent: it "works" and at the same time is face-palmy for a number of reasons
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• 1517[20:31:56] <Silent> The question is, what harm can is cause?
• 1518[20:31:56] <greycat> A more correct approach to fix the alleged race condition would be to ensure that the relevant kernel module is loaded before systemd-sysctl runs, either by rearranging dependencies if those are wrong, or by forcing the loading of whatever the module is.
• 1519[20:32:11] <Silent> Because even if it won't work, I have iptables
• 1520[20:32:20] <ratrace> but looking through the scrollback.... Silent: you never confirmed there's no error logged about the ctl? not via systemd-sysctl.service but none at all?
• 1521[20:32:33] <greycat> Silent: if you sleep too long, then it's configured too late. If you don't sleep long enough, you are back to your "nothing happened" issue.
• 1522[20:32:59] <Silent> ratrace I don't think there's an error happening. Where would I check to be sure?
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• 1525[20:33:31] <ratrace> Silent: journalctl -b | grep -i icmp
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• 1527[20:34:48] <Silent> Nov 13 21:29:19 skypanda rc.local[466]: net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all = 1
• 1528[20:34:58] <Silent> This is the only line that's output
• 1529[20:35:31] <Silent> Does this mean that my sysctl.conf is ignored?
• 1530[20:35:34] <ratrace> yeah that's from your hax
• 1531[20:36:07] <greycat> it doesn't say anything about whether systemd-sysctl worked or failed originally
• 1532[20:36:42] <ratrace> pretty sure your sysctl.conf is not ignored. you can test it by adding a nonexistent key in there somehwere, like hey.unexisting.errorout = 1 but I don't know if that will break or just delay (with a start job) your boot.... test it at your peril :)
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• 1534[20:37:13] <ratrace> it most certainly should complain about the key missing under the /proc/sys tree
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• 1603[22:06:55] <nickname123> hi. when i delete a snapshot in the Timeshift GUI, at the end of the removal when the progress bar is almost at 100% there is always a waiting time. during this time KDE's System Monitor shows "notify send" is running. can anyone tell me what the problem is?
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• 1657[23:23:41] <Heart_And_Chops> i'm in permissions hell. I've got a freeradius server, it runs as user:group freerad:freerad. I've used acme.sh to issue a LetsEncrypt certificate which exists in /root/.acme.sh/my_internal_domain.host.com/ i have set the files in this folder to be in the freerad group, and given them the sticky bit so it stays that way on future certificate issues: replaced-url
• 1658[23:23:41] <Heart_And_Chops> JqjWejsEsA
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• 1660[23:23:49] <Heart_And_Chops> oops broken paste link here: replaced-url
• 1661[23:23:59] <Heart_And_Chops> yet my freeradius server still can't read these files.
• 1662[23:25:05] <Heart_And_Chops> does it matter that the parent parent folder is owned by root? does it have to be shared group all the way down?
• 1663[23:25:19] <DLange> Heart_And_Chops: it needs +x on the directories above the certs
• 1664[23:25:20] <jmcnaught> Heart_And_Chops: /root does not have +x for others ("ls -ld /root") which means that other users cannot enter it.
• 1665[23:25:41] <DLange> whether you do that with the group, or "other" or acls is up to you :)
• 1666[23:25:48] <maradrash> Hey all! Quick question: I was researching about Debian Testing and I would like to use as my laptop version. Question, I've read about no security updates anymore. Is there any way to use with a proper sucurity concerns applied? Thank you very much;
• 1667[23:25:59] <DLange> maradrash: no
• 1668[23:26:13] <DLange> security support is for stable and oldstable
• 1669[23:26:35] <Heart_And_Chops> so i guess i should configure acme.sh to put the certs somewhere else?
• 1670[23:26:57] <jmcnaught> Heart_And_Chops: I would put them somewhere in /etc probably
• 1671[23:26:58] <maradrash> DLange, ty. So, if I decide to work with Testing, is way not safer to use as my desktop. Got it
• 1672[23:27:06] <DLange> Heart_And_Chops: yep, that's what people commonly do
• 1673[23:27:09] <Heart_And_Chops> ok thanks
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• 1675[23:28:53] <jmcnaught> maradrash: do you need newer software than Debian 10 (buster) has for hardware support?
• 1676[23:30:02] <maradrash> jmcnaught, I was just thinking about packages updates. Today I'm using ubuntu again, but just because of the "fast updates"
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• 1678[23:30:39] <maradrash> jmcnaught, I prefer Debian...but sometimes I want newer packages and we don't have it...
• 1679[23:30:45] <jmcnaught> maradrash: Debian stable has replaced-url
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• 1681[23:31:01] <karlpinc> maradrash: What sort of newer packages?
• 1682[23:32:46] <maradrash> jmcnaught, karlpinc packages to use daily. Like new versions of Gnome, browsers, apps. this kind of stuff
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• 1684[23:33:47] <greycat> this is not the way
• 1685[23:34:09] <DLange> this will lead you to the dark side
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• 1687[23:34:14] <DLange> aka arch :)
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• 1689[23:34:57] <maradrash> DLange, I've being there
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• 1691[23:36:16] <DLange> well, then welcome back where things just work :)
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• 1695[23:37:12] <maradrash> DLange, I already tried heavy stuff like Arch, Manjaro and now going back to DEB. I use a lot of security apps to ethical hacking, so .deb is bbianetter on compatibility. And I hate the unflexible part of Ubuntu. That's why I want to the source again, de
• 1696[23:37:15] <maradrash> debian
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• 1699[23:38:04] <maradrash> DLange, maybe using stable with some backports do the job, donnu
• 1700[23:38:20] <DLange> yeah, sounds good
• 1701[23:38:24] <beelzebuzz> arch is heavy? strange
• 1702[23:38:30] <DLange> any may be Kali in a VM if you need crazy stuff
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• 1704[23:38:59] <jmcnaught> maradrash: consider Debian stable as a platform that is not shifting all the time. You can get security updates without stuff on your computer changing. Everything works like it did yesterday, no surprises.
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• 1706[23:39:13] <maradrash> beelzebuzz, I was saying like dark side...there is a context haha :P
• 1707[23:39:52] <sebboh> hi. Is /bin/sh a link, in a fresh install of buster? A link to what?
• 1708[23:40:03] <maradrash> DLange, maybe. Thank you all <3
• 1709[23:40:05] <DLange> dash probably
• 1710[23:40:26] <DLange> o/ live long and prosper (other francise :))
• 1711[23:40:54] <maradrash> :)
• 1712[23:41:07] <greycat> it's a link to dash by default, yes
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• 1715[23:41:35] <maradrash> beelzebuzz, just to agree with u. I don't know anything lighter than Arch
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• 1717[23:41:42] <sebboh> thanks greycat. I didn't realize that Stable was new enough now to have dash for /bin/sh!
• 1718[23:42:00] <greycat> it's been dash for several releases now
• 1719[23:42:01] <beelzebuzz> ah
• 1720[23:42:06] <sebboh> Time flies.
• 1721[23:42:17] <sebboh> thanks again. And thanks DLange
• 1722[23:42:19] <greycat> I want to say wheezy, but I might be off by one or two
• 1723[23:42:31] <n4dir> it sure is for very long now
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• 1728[23:43:57] <jmcnaught> "* Add NEWS file about changing /bin/sh." dash changelog Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:17:31 +0200
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• 1730[23:44:09] <n4dir> whenever systemd was decided to be default on debian, i gave up on debian, but then it was already dash. Not sure if that helps. 5-6 years at minimum
• 1731[23:44:33] <greycat> systemd was the default in jessie
• 1732[23:44:46] <greycat> it was a "technology preview" in wheezy, but not a default, and not really usable
• 1733[23:44:51] <n4dir> yeah, so before that, but jmcnaught seems to have solved the riddle ...
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• 1735[23:47:01] <jmcnaught> I imagine that at least some stuff breaks if you change /bin/sh from dash.
• 1736[23:48:47] <jmcnaught> Though apparently the dash package has a debconf key for this "dash dash/sh boolean true" so "dpkg-reconfigure dash" can change it.
• 1737[23:49:13] <greycat> pointing /bin/sh to bash is a supported configuration and I can't imagine it breaking any of Debian's scripts
• 1738[23:49:13] <DLange> yeah, sh is a nice subset well supported by bash as well
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• 1740[23:49:28] <DLange> I would not point it to fish and think things would work
• 1741[23:49:36] <greycat> it points to dash by default for speed reasons, not to avoid breakage
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