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38 [00:23:57] <hiole24> Hello im trying to download the new
version of debian but the one thats not just the terminal but full
desktop version
39 [00:24:03] <hiole24> can someone help
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41 [00:24:16] <abrotman> hiole24: the netinst works for that
42 [00:24:23] <hiole24> i want to create a iso file and install
from usb
43 [00:24:27] <abrotman> you setup your apt sources, download
teh packages you need from the internet
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45 [00:25:56] <hiole24> the one that will work with usb
46 [00:26:04] <hiole24> on flash drive
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50 [00:27:42] <coruja>
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52 [00:28:19] <hiole24> thanks
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54 [00:28:26] <hiole24> whats the difference between
55 [00:28:44] <hiole24> amd64 and i386 ?
56 [00:29:17] <abrotman> youalmost certainly have amd64
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58 [00:29:59] <hiole24> oh ok
59 [00:30:39] <hiole24> because i have an older pc
60 [00:30:48] <hiole24> from 2012 asus
61 [00:31:11] <klys> hiole24, amd64 systems started coming out
~2003.
62 [00:31:16] <coruja> that's not really old
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64 [00:32:30] <hiole24> oh ok
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157 [01:33:09] <asterismo_l> hi
158 [01:33:19] <asterismo_l> i still have no sound
159 [01:33:34] <asterismo_l> i deleted pulse user config
160 [01:33:45] <asterismo_l> but i have no alsa user config
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166 [01:40:30] <well_laid_lawn> have you looked at alsamixer ?
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168 [01:40:42] <well_laid_lawn> make sure nothing is muted
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257 [02:32:38] <AdrenalinCDA> hello
258 [02:32:45] <Sveta> Hi AdrenalinCDA. :-)
259 [02:34:51] <AdrenalinCDA> how are you doing?
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266 [02:35:47] <Sveta> Going OK, thank you.
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268 [02:36:49] <AdrenalinCDA> ive reinstalled debian after
encountering some issues with superblocks and partitions after
accessing my home partition with ext2fds
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270 [02:37:06] <AdrenalinCDA> and now im using TDE
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273 [02:37:23] <AdrenalinCDA> im on here to check how alive it is
here
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299 [02:54:12] <Axefield> so I have a debian based question about
ispconfig on an AWS server if anyone can help me
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307 [03:00:34] <ahmed751995> excuse me , when i try this command
to setup my wifi (ip link set wlan0 up) i get : Cannot find device
"wlan0"
308 [03:02:02] <somiaj> ahmed751995: what makes you think your
device is called wlan0, what is the output of 'ip a'
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321 [03:12:43] <ahmed751995> somiaj: paste.debian.net/983796
322 [03:12:49] <ahmed751995> the output
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324 [03:13:16] <somiaj> you have no intefraced called wlan0
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326 [03:13:35] <somiaj> you have enp9s0 (wired) and wlp8s0
(guessing is the wifi)
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332 [03:18:06] <ahmed751995> somiaj: thanks it is working now
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472 [04:36:16] <asterismo_l> well, i made a discovery
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476 [04:37:01] <dsnow> gold?
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491 [04:45:33] <beef8008> nudes?
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493 [04:46:07] <dvs> the caramilk secret?
494 [04:46:59] <beef8008> is that like the Wu-Tang secret?
495 [04:47:09] <asterismo_l> sound works if i have sound only
after suspending and resuming the laptop
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497 [04:47:21] <asterismo_l> but not in a normal reboot
498 [04:47:28] <asterismo_l> that's odd
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500 [04:47:44] <asterismo_l> sorry
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502 [04:48:10] <asterismo_l> i meant that i only have sound after
suspending and resuming the laptop
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507 [04:49:22] <asterismo_l> this is how: boot the laptop > no
sound > suspend laptop > resume laptop > sound works
508 [04:51:15] <asterismo_l> how this can be?
509 [04:51:36] <asterismo_l> is there any kind of mute for
suspending?
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561 [05:32:07] <emma> is the universal media server in the debian
repo?
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567 [05:36:28] <somiaj> emma: do you know the name of the
software/project that creates it?
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570 [05:37:22] <somiaj> from the webpage it is not clear what the
license is, but it is looking non-free to me
571 [05:37:41] <somiaj> I guess it is, one second.
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574 [05:39:07] <emma>
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577 [05:39:58] <somiaj> I'm not seeing it packaged for
debian or even ubuntu. But it is written in java, so it should be
fairly easy to install and run using the openjdk in debian. You may
also need to install other things like ffmpeg and the like
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586 [05:45:59] <somiaj> emma: I'm not even finding a Request
For Package for that. I found this, seems to be similar, wonder if
it is just older code.
replaced-url
587 [05:46:00] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
588 [05:46:34] <somiaj> emma: anyways, I wonder if the server you
are talking about is a fork. But I don't know the software. I
can't seem to find it in debian, and the best you can do is
file a RFP bug and link to the software.
589 [05:46:53] <somiaj>
replaced-url
590 [05:48:18] <tripkin> Quick question, does anyone know if
there are plans to add Atom to the repository?
591 [05:48:37] <somiaj> tripkin: you can search for RFP bugs,
they may contain info.
592 [05:48:43] <somiaj>
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594 [05:49:13] <Ir0nF|st> hi anyone know how to install IRCd with
self hosted plans ?
595 [05:49:52] <somiaj> Ir0nF|st: on debian systems apt install
packagename. If you don't have access to a console for the
machine you are using, you may want to ask the provider of the host
for support or to isntall it
596 [05:50:14] <emma> somiaj: what's the best way to stream
movies you have on your laptop to a tv when you have a Roku?
597 [05:50:41] <somiaj> emma: I'm unsure, I haven't
tried that. Debian provides other media servers that may work.
598 [05:50:47] <Ir0nF|st> somiaj i have vps
599 [05:51:00] <somiaj> emma: I think it would be just fine to
install ums from upstream in say /opt and run it since it is just a
java program.
600 [05:51:00] <Ir0nF|st> and i am trying to install in it
601 [05:51:12] <somiaj> emma: but if you would prefer something
in the repos, maybe try 'apt-cache search media server'
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603 [05:51:33] <emma> thanks
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605 [05:51:52] <Ir0nF|st> somiaj can u pm ?
606 [05:51:57] <Ir0nF|st> for a while ?
607 [05:52:29] <somiaj> emma: in stretch I see gmediaserver and
minidlna
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612 [05:53:30] <somiaj> Ir0nF|st: no, I'm not here to give
private support. If you have root access to your vps, just use apt
install packagename, such as 'apt install ircd-hybrid' to
install the server
613 [05:53:59] <sandiego> uhuh :)
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616 [05:54:41] <sandiego> hi
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618 [05:54:53] <klys> hi
619 [05:55:02] <sandiego> anyone usign polaris irc ?
620 [05:55:03] <Ir0nF|st> somiaj i did
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623 [05:55:43] <Ir0nF|st> but i am suffering with a load of erros
624 [05:56:05] <sandiego> what is the problem, Ir0nF|st
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626 [05:57:10] <Ir0nF|st> it not able to work
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628 [05:57:43] <sandiego> what you trying to do?
629 [05:57:57] <Ir0nF|st> i am installing unrealIRCd
630 [05:58:05] <somiaj> Ir0nF|st: unless you provide us with the
command out typed and the output of the errors we can't be of
much help. Use paste.debian.net for that.
631 [05:58:08] <Ir0nF|st> but wheneveer i am trying ./server
632 [05:58:19] <somiaj> Ir0nF|st: I don't see amy package
called unrealircd in debian?
633 [05:58:41] <somiaj> Ir0nF|st: where did you get this software
that youa re installing? Are you running debian or something based
on debian?
634 [05:59:36] <Ir0nF|st> debian
635 [05:59:57] <Ir0nF|st> debian 7
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639 [06:02:05] <nvz> I've got a brand new WD Passport 1tb
with NTFS and I've been trying to fill it with backups for
weeks now on a remote system and it keeps failing with Buffer IO
Error in dmesg and remounting to another location as another device
node screwing up my automated process that should've been done
two weeks ago. The drive has only had about 100hrs of total
operation in its lifetime yet smart is showing pre-fail and o
640 [06:02:09] <sandiego> have you checked the unrealIRCd ?
manual FAQ ?
641 [06:02:11] <nvz> ld age. IDK what to believe here. I've
heard people say they had similar issues on forums and claimed that
after switching to ext4 the drive was fine, thinkin it was an NTFS
driver issue
642 [06:03:03] <Ir0nF|st> yes sandiego i have checked
643 [06:03:13] <sandiego> add the flag , large to it
large,defaults 0 0 at /etc/fstab
644 [06:03:34] <sandiego> for large msdos drives
645 [06:03:50] <Ir0nF|st> root@megatron:~# tar xzvf
Unreal3.2.10.4.tar.gz
646 [06:03:50] <Ir0nF|st> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
647 [06:03:50] <Ir0nF|st> tar: Child returned status 1
648 [06:03:50] <Ir0nF|st> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting
now
649 [06:03:51] <KNERD> They stil make 1TB drives? That is liek
stil making 1GB flash drives ans tryign to sell them for $20. Sort
of like WD does, 1TB drives still $59.99 after years.
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651 [06:04:02] <Ir0nF|st> i have getting this error sandiego
652 [06:04:27] <sandiego> debian past
653 [06:04:34] <sandiego> just in case :P
654 [06:04:45] <nvz> KNERD: yes they still make them and there
are still plenty of devices out there with 1TB limits, like most
bluray players for example
655 [06:04:56] <sandiego> redowload the file Ir0nF|st
656 [06:04:58] <Ir0nF|st> debian 7 c64
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658 [06:05:03] <sandiego> its currupted some how
659 [06:05:12] <sandiego> and remove z
660 [06:05:21] <sandiego> tar xvf file.tar.gz
661 [06:05:35] <sandiego> ahh btw use the dash -
662 [06:05:43] <sandiego> tar -xvf file.tar.gz
663 [06:05:48] <KNERD> I did not even know there was a 1TB limit
on mnay things
664 [06:06:02] <KNERD> maybe a 15 year old motherboard
665 [06:06:06] <Ir0nF|st> ok
666 [06:06:17] <Ir0nF|st> shall i use debian 9 ?
667 [06:06:32] <sandiego> its up to you
668 [06:06:39] <Ir0nF|st> hang on
669 [06:06:44] <sandiego> debian 9 is cool im using it
670 [06:06:48] <sandiego> ^^
671 [06:07:06] <nvz> KNERD: ultimately old device limits and
supply/demand are what keep the prices up. I'm talking embedded
devices mostly.. two things I have are a bluray player (1TB limit)
and a palm os word processor (1GB limit) for example. Phones and mp3
players and such also have such limits
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673 [06:07:36] <Ir0nF|st> alright will use tioo :P
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677 [06:08:57] <sandiego> go gnome
678 [06:09:05] <sandiego> its stable like iron
679 [06:09:07] <sandiego> :P
680 [06:09:25] <somiaj> Ir0nF|st: Why not use an ircd server
provdied by gnome instead of some third party server. Support of
stuff outside of debian is limited (and 7 is in lts support, and it
is suggested you upgrade)
681 [06:09:42] <somiaj> Ir0nF|st: but being on a vps, you may
have to stick with 7. But I would install some ircd server from
debian. 'apt-cache search ircd'
682 [06:10:29] <somiaj> also if you want to upgrade from debian 7
to 9, make sure you upgrade to 8 first. But double check, not all
vps will support this. Really depends on the vps.
683 [06:10:58] <Ir0nF|st> alright
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686 [06:11:19] <somiaj> not provided by gnome, provided by
debian.
687 [06:11:25] <Ir0nF|st> whenever i am trying to update it
showing error again
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690 [06:11:44] <Ir0nF|st> E: Failed to fetch
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691 [06:11:45] <Ir0nF|st> E: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
692 [06:11:46] <Ir0nF|st> E: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
693 [06:11:47] <Ir0nF|st> E: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
694 [06:11:48] <Ir0nF|st> E: Some index files failed to download.
They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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698 [06:12:10] <Ir0nF|st> -.-
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700 [06:12:14] <somiaj> Ir0nF|st: anyways, I'm unsure why
this random file you have is causing problems. But it appears that
gzip does not belive it is a gzipped archive. you could run
'file Unreal3.2.10.4.tar.gz' to see what it says about the
file
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702 [06:12:35] <Ir0nF|st> ok
703 [06:13:04] <somiaj> Ir0nF|st: you say y ou are running debian
7, but have stretch-backports in your sources? Anyways your problem
can probably be fixed by running apt-get update. I'm unusre
what sources digitial ocean is using.
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708 [06:13:38] <Ir0nF|st> dunno much
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710 [06:14:04] <Ir0nF|st> but the errors which i am facing its
keep on showing
711 [06:14:08] <KNERD> about geoprapy
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720 [06:17:20] <sandiego> is there such thing like firmware
realtek for monitor linked with hdmi from a r9 fury, plays well on
windows and linux doesnt work like it should !
721 [06:17:40] <sandiego> only got 6 channels spdif-s
722 [06:17:47] <sandiego> cant control nothing :(
723 [06:19:25] <Ir0nF|st> updated to 8.9
724 [06:19:31] <sandiego> im at 9
725 [06:19:33] <sandiego> :P
726 [06:19:35] <Ir0nF|st> x64
727 [06:19:39] <Ir0nF|st> hehehe
728 [06:19:43] <sandiego> :P
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730 [06:19:49] <Ir0nF|st> but my side in 9 showing errors
731 [06:19:50] <sandiego> muti arch :P
732 [06:20:05] <Ir0nF|st> yeah
733 [06:20:17] <Ir0nF|st> can i use hostname instead of ip ?
734 [06:20:41] <Ir0nF|st> and ascii which can show in start up
735 [06:20:45] <somiaj> sandiego: do you know what video drivers
you are using. The radeon drivers do work with non-free firmwanre
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737 [06:20:54] <sandiego> yup
738 [06:21:05] <pragomer> is it possible to remove every packet I
installed within the last 24h ?
739 [06:21:08] <somiaj> ,v firmware-amd-graphics
740 [06:21:09] <judd> Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 --
jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; buster/non-free:
20161130-3; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; sid/non-free: 20170823-1
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742 [06:21:33] <somiaj> pragomer: did you use apt or aptitude to
install them?
743 [06:21:44] <pragomer> apt-get
744 [06:21:56] <somiaj> pragomer: check the apt-log, it will list
the time of every apt install/removal
745 [06:22:11] <sandiego> Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 256
bits)
746 [06:22:16] <somiaj> pragomer: /var/log/apt/, most likely
/var/log/apt/history.log
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748 [06:22:29] <sandiego> somiaj : Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM
3.9, 256 bits)
749 [06:23:14] <pragomer> you mean /var/log/apt/history.log ?
750 [06:23:20] <somiaj> sandiego: I'm not that familar with
amd, but there is firmware that the kms driver uses. Is that using
the radeon driver or the newer amdpro driver? Either way same
firmware package.
751 [06:23:25] <pragomer> ah sorry you told me :-)
752 [06:23:43] <somiaj> pragomer: correct. I don't know of
any tool, but you remove every package that it lists.
753 [06:23:54] <sandiego> will it make my monitor sound work just
fine ?
754 [06:23:56] <somiaj> I mean a tool that will just do this for
you, will require some manual work.
755 [06:24:01] <sandiego> trying ok
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757 [06:24:36] <pragomer> this is my list:
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758 [06:24:51] <somiaj> sandiego: I don't think it is an
issue with the monintor, but the graphics driver. I am just saying
that the amd/ati cards have non-free firmware you can install for
them. My understanding is this mostly supports the 3D graphics
better, but maybe there are some improvments to the hdmi or whatever
it is you are doing.
759 [06:24:53] <pragomer> how could I remove these lines (xxxxx,
automatic) ?
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762 [06:25:19] <somiaj> pragomer: the automatic packages should
be removed after the main package is removed
763 [06:25:25] <somiaj> pragomer: you will have to run an apt-get
autoremove afterwards
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766 [06:25:39] <sandiego> somiaj :
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767 [06:25:58] <somiaj> pragomer: so if you remove lxqt, then you
should be able to autoremove the rest. (there are some details where
if some of those packages are suggested/recommended but they
weren't isntalled, then they won't be removed)
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769 [06:26:23] <boblamont> I'm building what I hope will be
a very lightweight debian install... the usb stick I want to install
on is 2GB, will that work, or do I have to use something bigger?
770 [06:26:25] <pragomer> mm. I found out, several times, that
"autoremove" isnt safe anymore. I removes many packets
that are still needed by other programs
771 [06:26:25] <somiaj> sandiego: what version of debian are you
running. have you enabled the non-free repo?
772 [06:26:46] <sandiego> strech
773 [06:26:52] <sandiego> stetch
774 [06:26:52] <somiaj> boblamont: I would think if you really
want to install on a usb stick. A live image might be better (usb
reads can be slow)
775 [06:26:58] <sandiego> omg : stretch
776 [06:27:04] <sandiego> :P
777 [06:27:04] <pragomer> but Ill try it with autoremove. thank
you
778 [06:27:08] <somiaj> pragomer: is this on debian stable?
779 [06:27:21] <pragomer> yes its stretch
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781 [06:27:55] <somiaj> pragomer: It will work like it is supose
to. But you may have packages that were auto installed that you
don't want removed. When reomving a very big desktop meta
package this happens.
782 [06:28:14] <somiaj> so you need to look through the list, and
if you see anything that you don't want it to remove, use
apt-mark to mark it as manual
783 [06:28:24] <pragomer> yes this could be the reason. but good
news: it just worked like expected. just did it.
784 [06:28:38] <pragomer> so: thank you very much for the hint
with apt-log :-)
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786 [06:29:06] <boblamont> somiaj: I've had ok luck
installing onto usb sticks before on computers lacking a working hd,
won't a live image lose all data upon restart?
787 [06:29:09] <sandiego> is this site trustable :
replaced-url
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789 [06:29:20] <somiaj> boblamont: there are ways to make live
images persistant
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792 [06:29:46] <somiaj> boblamont: you can be as simple as a
persistant $HOME on the usb drive that gets mounted, to actually
being able to add/remove packages and have that be persistant.
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795 [06:30:12] <somiaj> boblamont: ideally you could build your
own custom live images with live-build. But I find that it
won't be a simple task.
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797 [06:30:52] <somiaj> boblamont: advantage is a live system
will run more from memeory as a usb drive will use the drive more,
and this can be a slow (not as bad now with usb3, but usb2 I find
very slow)
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800 [06:31:34] <somiaj> sandiego: do you just want a set of basic
sources.list to use
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802 [06:31:54] <somiaj> sandiego: personally I would use
deb.debian.org as the mirror redirector to choose a close by one.
803 [06:31:54] <sandiego> i live in Portugal i picked portugal ;)
804 [06:32:02] <sandiego> ohhh kk
805 [06:32:03] <somiaj> !stretch sources.list
806 [06:32:03] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
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807 [06:32:04] <boblamont> somiaj: my goal for this is just to
basically set up an internet radio, with a small number of preset
stations, mostly used by other people so they don't have to
manually look for the streams, so I'd need the stream app and
the list of stations to be persistent
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809 [06:32:16] <somiaj> those should work for anyone, and be able
to pick a healthy close by mirror
810 [06:32:59] <somiaj> boblamont: I think you can jsut boot a
debian live image with a flag which will allow you to have $HOME on
a seperate partition that you can write to and save settings and
stuff like that.
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813 [06:33:06] <somiaj> but any changes to the software will
revert on reboot.
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816 [06:33:27] <sandiego> brb l8r
817 [06:33:30] <somiaj> you can look up info about it on google.
There is a lot of info, I would try to find more current stuff for
the stretch live images.
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822 [06:34:49] <boblamont> somiaj: right, so I'd have to
hope the right software is already on the live cd, I was thinking
something easy like a console player might be best
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824 [06:35:47] <AlexLikeRock_> help
replaced-url
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826 [06:36:04] <AlexLikeRock_> i dont have APTITUDE
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828 [06:36:28] <somiaj> boblamont: hence you could ideally build
your own live image from debian with live-build. There is docs, but
I think a lot of the examples can't really be coppied/pasted
anymore, one would have to do some work.
829 [06:37:05] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock_: can you start with sharing
the output of apt-cache policy, and apt-cache-policy for every
package listed there.
830 [06:37:16] <AlexLikeRock_> somiaj, o/
831 [06:37:32] <AlexLikeRock_> fine
832 [06:37:39] <somiaj> it might also be some conflict with
jessie and jessie-backports
833 [06:37:55] <somiaj> it would be nice to at least see what
your sources are, but also see what version of the packages it
isn't liking.
834 [06:38:18] <somiaj> it also says you have held broken
packages, dose apt -f install try to fix anything?
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836 [06:38:56] <AlexLikeRock_> apt-cache policy
replaced-url
837 [06:39:00] <boblamont> somiaj: Do you think it would be
possible to build a live image that could include the radio presets?
That would be ideal, but I figure unlikely... unless I could
directly edit the image and insert a config file that includes them
838 [06:39:43] <AlexLikeRock_> yes somnia,
839 [06:40:15] <AlexLikeRock_> i change from jessie repos to
"strech" ... then back to jessie
840 [06:40:25] <AlexLikeRock_> and make my conflict :-(
841 [06:40:44] <AlexLikeRock_> its so hard without aptitude
842 [06:40:48] <AlexLikeRock_> :'(
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844 [06:40:56] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock_: that explains it, you have
a mix of jessie and strecth packages.
845 [06:41:15] <AlexLikeRock_> yes, how to make downgrade ?
846 [06:41:20] <tripkin> Thanks, somiaj
847 [06:41:28] <AlexLikeRock_> the "news " packages
848 [06:41:29] <AlexLikeRock_> ?
849 [06:41:36] <somiaj> packages are only designed to be
upgraded, so downgrading is not fully support and some things cannot
be undone.
850 [06:41:48] <AlexLikeRock_> i read this
replaced-url
851 [06:41:55] <somiaj> But you will first want to manually go
downgrade each package that isn't at the jessie version. And
without aptitude things like this may not work.
852 [06:41:58] <somiaj> !partial downgrade
853 [06:41:59] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if
you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list
(b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded
packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the
same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing
"b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no
more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
854 [06:42:11] <AlexLikeRock_> but i dont found file "
/etc/apt/preferences"
855 [06:42:31] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock_: just create one
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857 [06:42:41] <AlexLikeRock_> cool ,,
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861 [06:44:43] <AlexLikeRock_> somiaj,
862 [06:44:48] <AlexLikeRock_> how to remplace :
863 [06:44:52] <AlexLikeRock_> Package: xserver-*
864 [06:45:02] <AlexLikeRock_> for "all packages"
865 [06:45:03] <AlexLikeRock_> ?
866 [06:45:12] <AlexLikeRock_> or hole system ?
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868 [06:45:44] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock_: you may just want to start
remove kde/xorg, and go back to a minimial system to fix.
869 [06:46:00] <somiaj> or call your losses, backup /home and
configuration files and reinstall
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871 [06:46:15] <AlexLikeRock_> at the tutorial talk about :
Package: xserver-*
872 [06:46:34] <AlexLikeRock_> but my sistem are mixet surfle
packages
873 [06:46:49] <AlexLikeRock_> shufle**
874 [06:46:53] <AlexLikeRock_> ramdom **
875 [06:46:55] <AlexLikeRock_> etc.
876 [06:47:13] <AlexLikeRock_> RE-INSTALL hell NO! :-O
877 [06:47:20] <somiaj> you could also just try to upgrade to
stretch and see how that goes.
878 [06:47:26] <AlexLikeRock_> lol, i have DB
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880 [06:47:37] <AlexLikeRock_> somiaj, -.-
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883 [06:48:13] <somiaj> gain/loss anyalsis, what is a more
productive use of your time. But you'll have to manually track
down each package that is of the stretch version and downgrade it to
jessie, and it might start by using the core libs
884 [06:48:40] <AlexLikeRock_> yes
885 [06:48:48] <AlexLikeRock_> ok,
886 [06:48:50] <AlexLikeRock_> last question
887 [06:49:02] <AlexLikeRock_> how to downgrade a file
888 [06:49:17] <AlexLikeRock_> apt-get downgrade fooofile ?
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892 [06:52:46] <peterrooney> AlexLikeRock_: 05:41:36
<somiaj> packages are only designed to be upgraded, so
downgrading is not fully support and some things cannot be undone.
893 [06:53:07] <AlexLikeRock_> i now peterrooney
894 [06:53:12] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock_: apt-get install
packagenmae=version can work.
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897 [06:53:30] <AlexLikeRock_> tanks : ---> apt-get install
packagenmae=version can work.
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899 [06:54:47] <AlexLikeRock_> reading....
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901 [06:54:48] <AlexLikeRock_>
replaced-url
902 [06:55:01] <AlexLikeRock_> Package: * Pin: release a=jessie
Pin-Priority: 1001
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909 [06:57:02] <boblamont> somiaj: would something like Linux
Live Kit work? I'd have to set up the basic system first, but
that should allow me to get the presets in there, if I'm
reading about it right...
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911 [06:57:36] <Ir0nF|st> somiaj how to set up vhost instead of
myip ?
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914 [06:58:07] <Ir0nF|st> whenever i want to connect my bot to
dalnet or over here it shows bot ip
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917 [06:58:28] <Ir0nF|st> i want it to show my shell vhost
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920 [06:59:15] <somiaj> boblamont: i'm unsure on any
details. I just know that debian live systems are built with tools
inside of debian. Unsure on how to use them. Also unsure of other
such places to make custom live images.
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929 [07:02:04] <deadweight> Does normally have bad Linux support?
930 [07:02:10] <deadweight> broadcom
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932 [07:02:25] <Guest9055> somiaj how to set up vhost instead of
myip ?
933 [07:02:27] <boblamont> somiaj: fair enough, it looks like I
probably can make it work, and have the added bonus of nobody being
able to break the system because it's live (a plus I
hadn't thought of before, but which is very appealing now that
I have)
934 [07:02:28] <Guest9055> i want it to show my shell vhost
935 [07:02:32] <emma> What is a media server that runs on Debian
that will work with a Roku>
936 [07:02:32] <Guest9055> whenever i want to connect my bot to
dalnet or over here it shows bot ip
937 [07:02:33] <emma> ?
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943 [07:06:03] <towo^work> what is a "Roku>"
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947 [07:06:51] <somiaj> towo^work: little embeded device that can
play various apps like netflix over hdmi
948 [07:06:55] <somiaj> the newest I think does hdmi4k
949 [07:07:14] <somiaj> we use it here on our tvs.
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952 [07:08:14] <towo^work> if it can dlna, it should play
anything from any dlna server
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955 [07:08:56] <somiaj> that would be my guess. I am unsure of
its capbilties for that though.
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997 [07:40:25] <AlexLikeRock_> if remove : xserver-xorg
998 [07:40:30] <AlexLikeRock_> they stop ?
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1000 [07:41:09] <AlexLikeRock_> my idea its remove, then finish ,
then install faster
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1002 [07:42:26] <AlexLikeRock_> tanke a look
1003 [07:42:27] <AlexLikeRock_>
replaced-url
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1009 [07:45:12] <towo^work> AlexLikeRock_, kidding?
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1011 [07:45:21] <AlexLikeRock_> lol
1012 [07:45:23] <AlexLikeRock_> i hope
1013 [07:45:27] <AlexLikeRock_> :"(
1014 [07:45:31] <AlexLikeRock_> so..
1015 [07:45:38] <AlexLikeRock_> they stop xserv ?
1016 [07:46:08] <towo^work> if you purge libstdc++6 you don't
have a system anymore
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1018 [07:46:30] <towo^work> what makes you think, it's a good
idea to purge libstdc++6?
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1020 [07:47:12] <towo^work> Sounds like a high level trolling to
me
1021 [07:47:52] <sandiego> hi Good Morning , happiness :P
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1024 [07:49:00] <AlexLikeRock_> lol
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1026 [07:49:13] <AlexLikeRock_> i have mixed packages
1027 [07:49:17] <AlexLikeRock_>
:""""""""""""""""""""""""(
1028 [07:49:21] <AlexLikeRock_> i dont have aptitude
1029 [07:49:25] <sandiego> can someone link the officials
"deb-src""contrib" "non-free"
"stretch/updates" "stretch-updates" mirrors pls
!! many tks :P
1030 [07:49:28] <AlexLikeRock_>
:"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""(
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1032 [07:50:03] <somiaj> sandiego: deb.debian.org should work just
fine.
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1034 [07:50:17] <towo^work> AlexLikeRock_, what is your exact
problem, what is the goal of your doin'?
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1037 [07:51:08] <sandiego> deb
replaced-url
1038 [07:51:14] <sandiego> like this for excample
1039 [07:51:24] <somiaj> !stretch sources.list
1040 [07:51:25] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
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1041 [07:52:01] <sandiego> !stretch non-free
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1044 [07:52:34] <AlexLikeRock_> towo^work, downgrade my MIXED
SYSTEM to jessie :->
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1046 [07:52:45] <AlexLikeRock_> working hard :-)
1047 [07:52:51] <towo^work> AlexLikeRock_, forget it
1048 [07:53:04] <towo^work> AlexLikeRock_, install jessie new
1049 [07:53:15] <AlexLikeRock_> hahaha
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1051 [07:53:18] <somiaj> sandiego: just append contrib and
non-free after main, so it is deb
replaced-url
1052 [07:53:22] <AlexLikeRock_> i can do it :->
1053 [07:53:24] <towo^work> for whatever reason you want jessie
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1055 [07:53:40] <towo^work> AlexLikeRock_, i would bet my ass, you
can't
1056 [07:53:57] <AlexLikeRock_> just removing 2.7 GB of packages
:-)
1057 [07:54:02] <AlexLikeRock_> and reinstall
1058 [07:54:23] <somiaj> you might have artificats floating
around. A new install would be mostly done by now.
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1061 [07:55:39] <towo^work> WARNING: The following essential
packages will be removed.
1062 [07:55:39] <towo^work> This should NOT be done unless you
know exactly what you are doing!
1063 [07:55:39] <towo^work> apt libapt-pkg5.0 (due to apt)
libstdc++6 (due to apt)
1064 [07:55:52] <towo^work> have fun reinstalling without apt
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1068 [07:56:27] <AlexLikeRock_> jajaj
1069 [07:56:30] <AlexLikeRock_> hahahah
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1073 [07:58:27] <AlexLikeRock_> towo^work, do you now a trick to
DOWNGRADE ALL SYSTEM ?
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1075 [07:58:42] <towo^work> AlexLikeRock_, yes, install jessie
from stretch
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1078 [08:00:15] <somiaj> a reinstall would be my advise at this
point
1079 [08:00:29] <AlexLikeRock_> no,
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1081 [08:00:37] <AlexLikeRock_> no reinstall FROM scratch
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1084 [08:01:10] <towo^work> then go away from here, no one can and
will support your doin'
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1087 [08:02:24] <realbadhorse> Hello
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1093 [08:06:20] <realbadhorse> As it is based debian, can i expect
to get *some* support for kali here?
1094 [08:07:14] <AlexLikeRock_> towo^work, tanks i now
1095 [08:07:16] <AlexLikeRock_> its to hard
1096 [08:07:27] <AlexLikeRock_> ask realbadhorse
1097 [08:07:50] <realbadhorse> Ive been a long time kali live user
on my lape
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1099 [08:08:29] <realbadhorse> Laptop*. Since its trashed now im
trying to have it boot on my desktop.
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1104 [08:09:18] <realbadhorse> On boot i suffer from a blackscreen
due to nouveau.. Heres a vid if it helps
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1105 [08:09:20] <borsh> How do I properly install i915 and i965
xorg drivers?
1106 [08:09:45] <borsh> Is not there an app for apt-getting all
the needed things for gpu accel to just work?
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1109 [08:10:18] <darxmurf> morning all
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1112 [08:11:01] <realbadhorse> Morning
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1114 [08:11:26] <borsh> Or do I just need 'apt-get install
xserver-xorg-video-intel' ?
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1117 [08:12:25] <nvz> borsh: intel graphics should just work
automatically
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1121 [08:13:50] <towo^work> borsh, debian has switched to
modesetting for intel graphics
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1124 [08:14:10] <towo^work> if you want the intel ddx, you need to
set it in a xorg.conf snipped
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1127 [08:14:43] <towo^work> realbadhorse, here is #debian, not
#kali
1128 [08:16:04] <realbadhorse> Its #kali-linux.. But btw ive been
trying to troubleshoot it with them since yesterday morning., nust
thought i could try here as its based on deb
1129 [08:16:25] <borsh> nvz: towo^work: don't I need to
install xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
1130 [08:16:39] <towo^work> borsh, if it is not installed, sure
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1132 [08:17:10] <towo^work> realbadhorse, here is no support for
kali
1133 [08:17:10] <borsh> Can you please also show me `ls -l
/dev/dri/card0` ?
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1135 [08:17:36] <towo^work> borsh, why should i do that? i
don't have intel graphics
1136 [08:17:48] <borsh> Any card would be fine
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1138 [08:18:16] <towo^work> crw-rw----+ 1 root video 226, 0 Aug 28
06:50 /dev/dri/card0
1139 [08:18:19] <towo^work> and now?
1140 [08:18:24] <borsh> Thanks.
1141 [08:18:36] <towo^work> you should elaborate your real
problem, instead of asking useless things
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1145 [08:19:21] <borsh> towo^work: no problem with this yet. :>
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1149 [08:21:51] <borsh> So the user should be added to the video
group for the drm to work
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1183 [08:36:22] <bachler> why is there no rtorrent in buster?
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1186 [08:37:00] <dionysus69> whats the best tool for network
monitoring like htop is for system?
1187 [08:37:10] <Sveta> nethogs
1188 [08:37:50] <dionysus69> Thanks Sveta
1189 [08:39:07] <borsh> towo^work: nvz: it now works! Thanks for
help.
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1192 [08:41:02] <borsh> I had no /dev/dri/ so sw rendering used
way too much cpu time.
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1245 [09:15:25] <towo^work> borsh, what intel card you have?
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1258 [09:20:17] <issiac> hi
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1260 [09:20:53] <issiac> catted binary file.. corrupted screen
font.... howto recover without reboot???
1261 [09:21:06] <issiac> Please. :)
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1274 [09:25:16] <borsh> towo^work: i915 on the host.
1275 [09:25:23] <borsh> towo^work: debian is running in lxd
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1281 [09:27:55] <towo^work> borsh, i want to know the modell
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1284 [09:28:36] <towo^work> and since i don't know lxd, i
don't know, if that container can passthrough the hardware
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1287 [09:29:23] <borsh> towo^work: it can. I'm not sure how
to detect the model.
1288 [09:29:32] <borsh> towo^work: what for do you need to know
the model?
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1290 [09:29:49] <towo^work> lspci | grep -i vga
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1292 [09:30:00] <towo^work> but since it is in a container,
i'm out
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1294 [09:30:13] <borsh> towo^work: but it works!
1295 [09:30:28] <borsh> towo^work: glxinfo says it is accelerated
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1297 [09:30:46] <towo^work> ah, i had missread your commend above
1298 [09:30:47] <d3lphi> hi all. Running Debian Jessie with Gnome
and I am using "Nemo" as file manager. I'd like to
rightclick on a folder and share it via samba. Unfortunately I
cannot find a package called "nemo-share". How can I solve
this ? any help appreciate
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1300 [09:31:44] <borsh> what are the default groups for the user
created by the installer?
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1317 [09:37:46] <Bobby_the_Seger> My Screen is corrupted due to
cat <binaryfile>. Now need cmd to set screen straight.... font
is way crazy looking.
1318 [09:38:05] <Bobby_the_Seger> Help is appreciated.
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1322 [09:39:40] <jelly> Bobby_the_Seger: "reset"
command, as someone's already told you
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1324 [09:40:11] <Bobby_the_Seger> Using Linux version 4.4.21-v7
1325 [09:41:17] <Bobby_the_Seger> Thanks.
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1331 [09:44:26] <Bobby_the_Seger> Goodbye.
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1356 [09:59:39] <sandiego> Good Morning , Happiness ! =) How
should i fix my monitor sound? sound wasnt working after i did
" apt install firmware-amd-graphics" it appears the sound
control allready in pavucontrol, but verry noise glitched sound ,
crackling sound dont ear nothing :( i think in my opinion is a codec
issue or slave/master issue mutiple sound cards on sistem one from
board one from ati/r9 fury hdmi link
1357 [10:00:05] <sandiego> thank you in advance
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1364 [10:02:04] <sandiego> towo^work: :P
1365 [10:02:07] <sandiego> jelly :P
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1367 [10:03:34] <MoKhSu> !fc4
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1369 [10:06:26] <sandiego> fc4 ? meaning
1370 [10:07:04] <towo^work> sandiego,
replaced-url
1371 [10:07:12] <towo^work> sandiego, i don't use sound over
hdmi
1372 [10:07:32] <sandiego> ty so much
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1378 [10:10:18] <sandiego> brb
1379 [10:10:21] <sandiego> them
1380 [10:10:23] <sandiego> :)
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1439 [10:35:50] <tobiasBora> Hello,
1440 [10:36:31] <tobiasBora> I was wondering, is AMD well
supported on debian ? A friend of mine would like to get a computer
with a AMD A9-9420
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1443 [10:36:55] <tobiasBora> (CPU) and an AMD Radeon R5 graphic
card
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1461 [10:44:29] <TeslasMHD> Finally I finished my little Java
Swing applications developed under Debian/testing with NetBeans. :-)
1462 [10:44:37] <TeslasMHD>
replaced-url
1463 [10:44:39] <TeslasMHD>
replaced-url
1464 [10:44:41] <TeslasMHD>
replaced-url
1465 [10:44:43] <TeslasMHD>
replaced-url
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1467 [10:46:51] <john_rambo> I reinstalled Debian 9 then did
apt-get update/upgrade Now when I open Chromium I get this
replaced-url
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1477 [10:54:16] <john_rambo> Any ideas ?
1478 [10:55:22] <slax0r> install a newer version of chromium
1479 [10:55:23] <bezaban> ,v chromium
1480 [10:55:24] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1;
jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 59.0.3071.86-1;
stretch-proposed-updates: 60.0.3112.78-1~deb9u1; stretch-security:
60.0.3112.78-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.0.3112.78-1; sid: 60.0.3112.78-1
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1482 [10:56:48] <john_rambo> slax0r, But the profile I am using is
from a Debian 9 install ...
1483 [10:57:09] <john_rambo> Never used backports
1484 [10:57:34] <slax0r> john_rambo: did you isntall from
stretch-security per chance?
1485 [10:57:48] <slax0r> as you can see, stretch-security has
version 60, stretch has 59
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1489 [10:59:03] <john_rambo> slax0r, This is my sources.list
replaced-url
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1491 [11:00:25] <slax0r> john_rambo: when you say reinstalled, did
you do a full reinstall, or did you leave the old home dir in place?
1492 [11:00:56] <john_rambo> slax0r, Yes I kept the old home
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1494 [11:01:10] <slax0r> john_rambo: go ahead and make a backup of
~/.config/chromium and remove that directory, then restart chromium
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1497 [11:01:26] <LoveCat> cmake ..
1498 [11:01:27] <LoveCat> bash: cmake: command not found
<— what’s wrong?
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1500 [11:01:52] <john_rambo> slax0r, Even if that works I will
loose all my bookmarks, saved sessions
1501 [11:03:57] <slax0r> john_rambo: I am willing to be that
before you reinstalled debian 9, you had a newer version of chromium
installed from a different source or repository (like
stretch-security), I don't see another option than to remove
the old profile, or install the newer version again
1502 [11:04:20] <john_rambo> slax0r, Also, please have a look at
my sources.list and tell me if its okay
1503 [11:04:28] <slax0r> john_rambo: they look ok, yes
1504 [11:04:44] <slax0r> I am not aware of any possibility to
convert the profile back to an older version, I might be wrong
though
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1506 [11:05:30] <john_rambo> slax0r, I will just cope with it ...
leave it as it is ...Thanks
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1508 [11:05:55] <LoveCat> cmake ..
1509 [11:05:56] <LoveCat> bash: cmake: command not found
<— what’s wrong? can you help me?
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1511 [11:07:12] <petemc> LoveCat: apt-get install cmake
1512 [11:07:19] <LoveCat> thanks :)
1513 [11:07:28] <petemc> or even apt-get install build-essential
1514 [11:07:45] <LoveCat> i don’t know why i must install
all program on debian unlike ununtu?
1515 [11:07:46] <LoveCat> :(
1516 [11:08:07] <petemc> because not everyone wants all packages
installed
1517 [11:08:13] <petemc> its not hard to install them
1518 [11:08:18] <jolt> LoveCat: apt install build-essential for
most stuff you need when building from source
1519 [11:08:35] <jolt> LoveCat: You could have selected all
options in tasksel when you installed, then you would have
everything from start :)
1520 [11:09:22] <LoveCat> oh thanks :)
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1523 [11:11:55] <towo^work> tobiasBora, amd is well supported
nowdays
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1531 [11:16:14] <LoveCat> can i go to ubuntu? it is too
inconvenient to me to use debian :(
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1537 [11:17:51] <klys> lovecat, if you do that you will have to
leave here.
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1539 [11:18:10] <klys> lovecat, it's either a stepping-stone
or a stumbling block
1540 [11:18:20] <LoveCat> After upgrading my skill, then i will be
back.
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1542 [11:18:33] <LoveCat> bye :(
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1576 [11:36:54] <sandiego> hi guys
1577 [11:37:37] <sandiego> anyone facing sound trouble over hdmi ?
ati / amd GPU with firmware-amd-graphics installed ? without it i
wouldnt even see the link
1578 [11:37:51] <sandiego> only spdif's
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1584 [11:38:19] <sandiego> now i see the link and i set it up in
pavucontrol pulseaudio BUT i ear something with crackling sound
distorced
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1633 [12:11:53] <ForceRecon> When the debian team sends out their
emails for problems that have been fixed or insecurities, when you
get them they have at the bottom this message is not verified and
you can click it to add them to your keyring.. How do they add this
or what is this called so that I can look it up
1634 [12:14:25] <Bearcat> arrgh! I've spent 45 minutes trying
to connnect to my mysql database as -u root, only to realise that i
had to do it with sudo. This is what i get for being a Gentoo user,
trying to use Debian.
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1646 [12:19:23] <fireba11> hi, postgres 9.6 can#t dump one of my
DBs with out of memory error. it worked fine on debian 7 with
postgres 9.4 any idea what changed to cause that?
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1649 [12:20:34] <maxcell_> i'm trying to 'cp' a
file into an usb-drive and it's giving me an error after
copying 4Gb. The error is "cp: write error of 'file':
The file is too long". The file has 4.3Gb and my usb-drive is
8Gb and i already format him. What's causing the issue?
1650 [12:21:00] <towo^work> maxcell_, the issue could be fat32 on
that stick
1651 [12:21:07] <towo^work> or propably is
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1653 [12:21:13] <maxcell_> what you mean? towo^work not fallowing
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1655 [12:21:34] <towo^work> maxcell_, if the stick is formated
with fat32, it's normal
1656 [12:21:43] <maxcell_> i recently did mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1
(usb-drive)
1657 [12:21:45] <petn-randall> fireba11: What is the exact error
you get?
1658 [12:21:48] <towo^work> maxcell_, max filesize for fat32 is
4GiB
1659 [12:21:54] <maxcell_> omg
1660 [12:21:57] <maxcell_> i didn't know
1661 [12:22:04] <towo^work> no wyou know
1662 [12:22:09] <maxcell_> ok
1663 [12:22:23] <maxcell_> what should i do to copy this movie to
the usb-drive and watch this on my tV?
1664 [12:22:44] <towo^work> maxcell_, convert it and shrink?
1665 [12:22:45] <maxcell_> i don't think the TV will manage
to read ext4 partitions hehe
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1667 [12:23:18] <towo^work> maybe you tv can read ntfs
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1669 [12:23:45] <maxcell_> i will try that
1670 [12:23:46] <cruncher> or exFat
1671 [12:23:54] <maxcell_> what is exFat?
1672 [12:23:58] <cruncher> read about it
1673 [12:24:07] <cruncher> but simply, another filesystem
1674 [12:24:18] <towo^work> but before o would read the manual of
the tv what is supported
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1677 [12:25:09] <maxcell_> the 'cp' command, after
hanging for a while, manage to copy the 4.3Gb of the file into the
usb-drive
1678 [12:25:22] <maxcell_> it will not work well while i'm
watching right?
1679 [12:25:35] <maxcell_> it will get stuck on the end right?
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1681 [12:25:41] <maxcell_> on the end of the movie, i mean
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1686 [12:26:17] <maxcell_> and yes, i'm looking into my TV
manual right now
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1688 [12:27:24] <petn-randall> fireba11: Also, what is the amount
of memory you have on the machine? And it's the pgsql client
that fails (and not the pg server), right?
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1692 [12:28:53] <maxcell_> i'm sorry, it was a mistake, the
"cp" didn't manage to copy 4.3Gb, it just stop
himself after about 5m hanging.
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1697 [12:31:04] <petn-randall> maxcell_: The hanging is probably
due to the slow I/O speed of the USB stick.
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1702 [12:32:42] <fireba11> petn-randall: pg_dump: Dumping the
contents of table "plugindata" failed: PQgetResult()
failed.
1703 [12:32:50] <fireba11> petn-randall: pg_dump: Error message
from server: ERROR: out of memory
1704 [12:33:01] <fireba11> petn-randall: the machien got 4GB ram
1705 [12:33:22] <maxcell_> petn-randall, you are absolutly right
sir. The "iotop" was showing i/o data only on the
USB-stick.
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1721 [12:43:01] <fireba11> petn-randall: oh and the expected size
of the dump is only 270MB ...^^
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1731 [12:46:22] <vlt> maxcell_: My Samsumg TV can read also from
NTFS; I haven't tried exFAT yet.
1732 [12:46:47] <fireba11> vlt: i'm impressd when it can read
from NFS :-D
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1735 [12:47:06] <petn-randall> fireba11: If you run
'htop' during the dump, what do you see?
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1737 [12:47:42] <maxcell_> vlt, i didn't find the manual of
my TV but after dig for a while i found some people in the year of
2012 that could read NTFS on an LG TV so, i think it will work
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1740 [12:49:51] <petn-randall> fireba11: Does the machine go out
of RAM? If not, we'll have to look at your pg server config.
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1742 [12:49:58] <petn-randall> (by default it's quite
conservative)
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1747 [12:50:34] <vlt> fireba11: I'm quite sure the kernel
running on the Samsung could do that ;-)
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1751 [12:53:27] <fireba11> petn-randall: hm, that's
unexptected ... it actually seems to have to swap and then runs out
of ram. i guess the two java processes running there hog too much of
it to even run the dumps anymore. okay, more ram for that VM .. :-D
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1753 [12:54:29] <petn-randall> fireba11: Yeah, 10/10 cases of OOM
are due to java ;)
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1770 [13:00:51] <maxcell_> worked, LG can read ntfs :)
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1774 [13:01:54] <maxcell_> cya
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1776 [13:02:07] <maxcell_> thanks guys
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1796 [13:07:59] <Conino> hello, i'm trying to install a
specific version of php and for some reason the wrong one is
installed, but dpkg says otherwise....
replaced-url
1797 [13:08:05] <Conino> any idea what may be going on?
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1838 [13:38:26] <numbdewd> one VPS-server has a repository in
'sources.list' commented out.. "Dotdeb" -
"Dotdeb is an extra repository providing up-to-date packages
for your Debian 8 “Jessie” servers " -- any reason
why I should keep this commented out... ? Im curious and wanna
explore... ne risk with adding that repo? dunno why its there never
seen b4
1839 [13:38:48] <jelly> !dotdeb
1840 [13:38:49] <dpkg>
replaced-url
1841 [13:39:06] <numbdewd> if ne1 curious btw, besides the deb-src
one, here's the full (only) line with the repo asin the file:
deb ##replaced-url
1842 [13:39:12] <numbdewd> o..thx jelly! ^ hmh
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1845 [13:39:40] <jelly> their packaging historically varied in
quality. If you don't absolutely need it, don't use it
1846 [13:40:15] <numbdewd> o.. mh..meh. K then, thanks- good info.
I'll stay away for now.
1847 [13:40:52] <numbdewd> This got me wondering btw.. where else
can I find alternate Deb. repos, possibly with some ability to judge
if potentially posing a (security-) risk or otherwise being
unreliable / bad ones... (I'd Google around anyway I guess..
hm)
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1852 [13:42:07] <numbdewd> also.. I don't know why, but seems
some boxes has the "deb-src .." line in the repo file
commented out, others (like this) doesn't... Should I comment
it out.. ? I rarely if ever download source files, and then usually
"wget .." or such .. (assuming its basically source
files.. )
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1854 [13:43:09] <numbdewd> aaand, (sry).. one more thing. Is it
truly as simply as changing "jessie" to
"stretch" for upgrading the OS to next version.... or
should I read more about that b4 takin that step (im lazy n
impatient i guess... :i)
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1856 [13:43:33] <jelly> numbdewd: /msg dpkg deb-src
1857 [13:43:57] <numbdewd> (I have done on a couple boxes,and
seemd fine.. besides on my phone where it ended..(with the gnu
debian package, not requiring root..) ..not sure if i did anything
else, but anyway it turned a mess whining about lib6 version
conflict thingy i cant seem to solve easily
1858 [13:44:02] <numbdewd> o..thanks..!
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1861 [13:44:42] <jelly> also, please try using non-shortened
English words in here. Having to decipher "ne1" is
annoying when English is my second or third language
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1863 [13:45:44] <numbdewd> So... may be I'd want the
"deb-src .." line,..for example to re-download nginx,
openvon, openssl,whatever.. to recompile it with support for ..
libressl , additional webserver modules/support or such
instead..right? After I download a source (unsure how to even
specify that..), where would I find these source-files?
1864 [13:45:54] <numbdewd> Ok, sorry. Will try remember.
1865 [13:46:22] <numbdewd> sorry again,
1866 [13:46:30] <jelly> the bot has other facts mentioned in
<deb-src> that answer some of your questions.
1867 [13:46:48] <jelly> like /msg dpkg package rebuild
1868 [13:46:53] <numbdewd> seems your friend as suggested PMed has
some more info on that, and I should likely nag it instead of asking
here before reading up at all..
1869 [13:46:59] <numbdewd> yep, sorry.. thanks again!!
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1871 [13:48:18] <transhuman_> just wanted to confirm debian no
longer has a powerpc G4 version right that will support a modern
browser (chrome or firefox ) with plugins?
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1876 [13:52:34] <gpunk> transhuman_: jessie at least runs it
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1878 [13:53:22] <transhuman_> what about the browser? Do you know?
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1881 [13:54:53] <gpunk> should be ok, I hvent tested it recently
1882 [13:55:11] <transhuman_> great awsome thanks
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1884 [13:56:26] <transhuman_> gpunk for powerbook G4 would it be
the ppc64el?
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1886 [13:57:41] <gpunk> hold on plz
1887 [13:58:09] <transhuman_> no problem please take your time!
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1900 [14:07:27] <Plushfish> Hi
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1902 [14:07:34] <Plushfish> Is XFS common for data loss?
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1904 [14:07:55] <andarien> Hello all, I need some help with my
logrotate. My logrotate.conf file includes all the logrotate.d/*
configuration files for rotation as is the default. However I need
to execute a postrotate script for all the logs. What the proper way
to do this?
1905 [14:08:12] <beli> Plushfish: no, i use XFS over years for big
file storeage w/o any problems
1906 [14:08:42] <Plushfish> I've installed Debian in EFI mode
with a XFS root partition, after a clean shutdown, cutting power for
about 5 minutes and enabling it again and booting up the syystem the
BIOS says there's no data on the hard disk, it can only see the
EFI partition, the other is "Unknown"
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1908 [14:10:07] <gpunk> transhuman_: i found a tuto in french ,
but at least you have the correct isos
1909 [14:10:13] <gpunk> interested?
1910 [14:10:34] <Plushfish> beli: Hmm, okay, but it only happens
on XFS here, doesn't what distribution I install
1911 [14:10:57] <Plushfish> +matter
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1913 [14:11:39] <jelly> Plushfish: it might be your hardware lies
about having written data to disk. Consumer SSD and HDD devices
often do that by default.
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1917 [14:12:42] <beli> Plushfish: check your drive with a long
smartctl
1918 [14:12:49] <Plushfish> jelly: Hm, I have a Seagate FireCuda,
it's a SSHD
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1920 [14:13:04] <Plushfish> And it's a brand new drive,
aready checked it
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1922 [14:13:08] <Plushfish> *already
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1928 [14:14:07] <jelly> Plushfish: I guess it's possible that
model has issues but isn't blacklisted in Debian's kernel
yet
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1932 [14:14:25] <Plushfish> "yet" :O
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1934 [14:14:48] <Plushfish> Well, ext4 etc works very good, no
issues, it only happens on XFS
1935 [14:15:00] <Plushfish> That's what makes it weird
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1937 [14:15:32] <beli> Plushfish: tried with a newer kernel
already?
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1939 [14:15:47] <Plushfish> Tried with 4.12 from sid
1940 [14:15:59] <Plushfish> and stable (49)
1941 [14:16:02] <Plushfish> * 4.9
1942 [14:16:05] <jelly> Plushfish: if you can file a bug report
for linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64 package, and mention you can
definitely reproduce data loss with xfs and that sshd model, kernel
people can try figuring out what kind of blacklist, if any, needs to
be added
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1944 [14:16:29] <Plushfish> jelly: I can if you like.
1945 [14:16:51] <jelly> it will help future users that try xfs on
that disk
1946 [14:17:01] <Plushfish> I see
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1949 [14:18:03] <jelly> Plushfish: perhaps ask in #debian-kernel
(on irc.oftc.net, different network), what sort of extra details
would they need in the report
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replaced-url
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2002 [14:41:00] <telnes> hello, why "dpkg -l xinetd"
retuen not packet , and when I run "apt-get install -s
xinetd" he want to install xinetd ? what is the name for this
package ?
2003 [14:41:08] <telnes> to search it with dpkg
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2006 [14:41:38] <gpunk> apt search xinetd
2007 [14:41:49] <telnes> I test
2008 [14:42:07] <telnes> xinetd/oldstable 1:2.3.15-3 amd64
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2010 [14:42:14] <telnes> mm
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2012 [14:42:56] <petn-randall> ,v xinetd
2013 [14:42:57] <judd> Package: xinetd on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:2.3.14-7.1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.3.15-3~bpo70+1; jessie:
1:2.3.15-3; stretch: 1:2.3.15-7; buster: 1:2.3.15.1-1; sid:
1:2.3.15.1-1
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2015 [14:43:51] <telnes> maybe it is not always the role of dpkg
to tell me the name, when package is not installed
2016 [14:44:02] <telnes> sometime dpkg tell me
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2019 [14:44:41] <telnes> maybe it s me ...
2020 [14:44:43] <telnes> :D
2021 [14:45:11] <telnes> thanks
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2066 [15:00:22] <Gamera> hi, I need 32bit debian for an old
machine, which iso should I use that has the most stuff?
2067 [15:00:31] <Gamera> that will do the most complete install
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2076 [15:03:32] <LioneLL>
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8cda668220e9869d451e94d3950c0d5f51bbb530&dn=debian-live-9.1.0-i386-gnome%2bnonfree.iso&tr=http%3a%2f%2fbttracker.debian.org%3a6969%2fannounce
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2078 [15:04:53] <LioneLL> Gamera: with 'text install'
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2083 [15:07:41] <transhuman_> gpunk, sorry I missed your post,
what is tuto?
2084 [15:08:12] <gpunk> it is ok , the liks were dead anyway , but
i posted another good link
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2086 [15:08:22] <gpunk> did you see it?
2087 [15:08:37] <transhuman_> thanks!
2088 [15:08:43] <gpunk>
replaced-url
2089 [15:08:48] <transhuman_> just swa it now thanks!
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2096 [15:10:16] <doslas> hi
2097 [15:10:29] <ForceRecon> when I launch seahorse from terminal
I get a bunch of errors.. it runs but there are issues.. Is there
another way to be running it?
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2099 [15:11:41] <doslas> i need to live stream to youtube by 360p
with ffmpeg or vlc?????????????
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2103 [15:12:30] <doslas> Stream status Bad 720p Stream?
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2106 [15:12:53] <ForceRecon> doslas: you might want to try out
OBS.. It is really pretty good.. not sure on your question though
but OBS might just have the settings you need on the interface
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2109 [15:13:11] <doslas> i need make it 360p
2110 [15:13:28] <doslas> obs dont work
2111 [15:13:48] <doslas> obs this
2112 [15:13:51] <doslas> Failed to initialize video. Your GPU may
not be supported, or your graphics drivers may need to be updated.
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2121 [15:16:35] <ForceRecon> that error suggests that you chose
OPENGL. Your machine might be too old too. choose an option other
than opengl
2122 [15:17:21] <ForceRecon> or update your video driver and see
if that helps.. if not then you are sol for OBS..
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2127 [15:18:50] <doslas> i do not need update your video driver
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2129 [15:19:15] <doslas> i work on ffmpeg but 720p
2130 [15:19:31] <doslas> i need to config it to 360p?????
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2132 [15:20:32] <doslas> choose an option other than opengl???
how??
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2134 [15:21:17] <gpunk> sdl
2135 [15:21:28] <gpunk> is another option
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2137 [15:22:35] <doslas> plz help me
2138 [15:22:46] <doslas> i need to config it to 360p?????
2139 [15:23:01] <ForceRecon> trying to replicate issue.. looking..
be patient
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2146 [15:27:03] <ForceRecon> see if these guys can help you more
#ffmpeg
2147 [15:27:21] <sandiego>
replaced-url
2148 [15:27:41] <sandiego> 5 total whe it should be only 1
ati/hdmi
2149 [15:27:53] <sandiego> i think the firmware is not that great
2150 [15:27:56] <sandiego> :P
2151 [15:28:44] <ForceRecon> do you have sound on your
motherboard?
2152 [15:28:46] <petn-randall> sandiego: Your onboard sound card,
then your intel graphics chip can do hdmi, and the same for your AMD
chip.
2153 [15:28:49] <ForceRecon> do you have a sound card installed
2154 [15:28:58] <sandiego> ohhh
2155 [15:28:59] <gpunk> thats what you got dude :p
2156 [15:29:02] <ForceRecon> and what petn-randall said
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2159 [15:29:33] <sandiego> can you help me configuring the hdmi
link i show above ? i hear the music with much crackling sound loads
of noises not comiing in the music etc...
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2162 [15:30:40] <doslas> OK i wait any one to help
2163 [15:31:20] <towo^work> sandiego, where you see 5 audio
devices?
2164 [15:31:25] <towo^work> i only see 2
2165 [15:31:39] <towo^work> 00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel
Corporation Sunrise Point-H HD Audio [8086:a170] (rev 31)
2166 [15:31:39] <towo^work> 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: Advanced
Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Fiji HDMI/DP Audio [Radeon R9 Nano /
FURY/FURY X] [1002:aae8]
2167 [15:31:43] <sandiego> 00:1f.3
2168 [15:31:46] <sandiego> 1)
2169 [15:31:51] <sandiego> 01:00.1
2170 [15:31:54] <sandiego> 2)
2171 [15:31:59] <sandiego> 00:1f.3
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2173 [15:32:05] <sandiego> etc...
2174 [15:32:06] <towo^work> open your eyes
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2176 [15:32:24] <sandiego> ahh 3
2177 [15:32:24] <towo^work> 00:1f.3 (1) = 00:1f.3 (3)
2178 [15:32:26] <sandiego> right
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2180 [15:32:35] <sandiego> help me towo
2181 [15:33:05] <towo^work> sandiego, as i sayed earlyer, i do not
use hdmi sound
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2186 [15:33:29] <sandiego> is it dp
2187 [15:33:32] <sandiego> ?
2188 [15:33:34] <sandiego> displayport
2189 [15:33:36] <sandiego> your
2190 [15:33:56] <gunix> sandiego: are you into rap music?
2191 [15:34:01] <sandiego> nahhh
2192 [15:34:03] <sandiego> tecnho
2193 [15:34:08] <sandiego> and house
2194 [15:34:10] <gunix> there is a german rapper named sun diego
2195 [15:34:49] <gunix> sandiego:
replaced-url
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2206 [15:41:09] <sandiego> ok
2207 [15:41:11] <sandiego> brb
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2225 [15:48:42] <ForceRecon> doslas: go to #ffmpeg as requested
and they just told me you need to : add -vf "scale=-1:360"
to his call options.
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2228 [15:49:04] <ForceRecon> (the -1 will preserve aspect ratio
and rescale the width accordingly so that it fits the new height)
2229 [15:49:15] <doslas> ok
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2236 [15:50:43] <doslas>
replaced-url
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2239 [15:51:06] <doslas> this is my ffmpeg conf
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2241 [15:51:14] <doslas> <ForceRecon>
2242 [15:51:36] <ForceRecon> doslas: go to #ffmpeg <-- click
that link.. show them there.. they made the thing..
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2244 [15:52:19] <doslas> <ForceRecon> ok
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2284 [16:13:33] <Rico> hello
2285 [16:13:50] <Rico> I upgraded a server from debian 7 to 8 then
9, and I have a problem with systemd
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2287 [16:14:00] <Rico> # systemd
2288 [16:14:00] <Rico> Trying to run as user instance, but the
system has not been booted with systemd.
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2290 [16:14:45] <apollo13> Rico: cat /proc/cmdline and ls -l
/sbin/init
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2292 [16:15:38] <Rico> apollo13: seems fine to me :
replaced-url
2293 [16:16:16] <apollo13> can systemctl connect to the main
systemd?
2294 [16:16:24] <Rico> nop
2295 [16:16:30] <Rico> root@lapalma:/usr/local/src# systemctl -a
2296 [16:16:30] <Rico> Failed to list units: Launch helper exited
with unknown return code 1
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2298 [16:16:54] <petn-randall> Rico: Running 'systemd'
gives me the same output. What problem are you trying to solve?
2299 [16:17:06] <Rico> petn-randall: ^
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2301 [16:17:32] <Rico> systemctl -a returns an error // systemctl
is not working at all
2302 [16:17:58] <apollo13> dbus is running?
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2304 [16:18:01] <petn-randall> Rico: when you run
'systemctl', what output do you get?
2305 [16:18:11] <Rico> apollo13: yes
2306 [16:18:16] <apollo13> gdbus introspect --system --dest
org.freedesktop.systemd1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/systemd1
2307 [16:18:18] <apollo13> says what?
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2311 [16:18:34] <apollo13> but I remember some polkit problems in
the past
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2314 [16:18:49] <Rico> apollo13: dont'have gdbus, do I have
to install it ?
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2316 [16:19:01] <Rico> petn-randall : Failed to list units: Launch
helper exited with unknown return code 1
2317 [16:19:15] <apollo13> Rico: yeah, it would be in
libglib2.0-bin
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2320 [16:19:56] <Rico> apollo13:
replaced-url
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2323 [16:20:13] <Rico> (runlevel returns 2)
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2326 [16:20:57] <apollo13> sounds like a dbus issue to me
2327 [16:21:42] <petn-randall> Rico: Have you rebooted since
upgrade?
2328 [16:21:49] <Rico> yes
2329 [16:21:53] <Rico> many times
2330 [16:22:00] <Rico> will try tommorow again
2331 [16:22:05] <Rico> tomorrow
2332 [16:22:09] <Rico> mmh.
2333 [16:22:11] <petn-randall> Rico: 'dpkg --configure
-a' returns empty?
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2337 [16:22:25] <Rico> petn-randall: yes
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2339 [16:22:44] <frotz47> you can try running 'tasksel
install standard' and reboot
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2343 [16:24:05] <apollo13> stupid idea, but given that this was a
debian 7 at one point, what does ll /var/run /var/lock return?
2344 [16:24:14] <Rico> *rebooting*
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2346 [16:24:37] <apollo13> oh did you tasksel install something?
ie did you miss standard packages?
2347 [16:24:57] <Rico> works fine after reboot
2348 [16:25:03] <apollo13> *gg*
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2350 [16:25:08] <apollo13> so missing packages apparently
2351 [16:25:14] <Rico> maybe
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2353 [16:25:20] <Rico> old server ...
2354 [16:25:23] <Rico> thanks all guys
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2357 [16:25:55] <petn-randall> Rico: Wait
2358 [16:26:09] <Rico> petn-randall: yep ?
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2360 [16:26:25] <petn-randall> Rico: Can you show us what was
installed? The last entry of /var/log/apt/history.log would be
great.
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2362 [16:26:52] <petn-randall> Rico: systemd might be missing a
dependency or something.
2363 [16:27:04] <Rico> petn-randall: yes, but I uninstalled /
reinstalled a lot of stuff... will pastebin that
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2368 [16:27:40] <petn-randall> Rico: Just the last bit of all
installed packages between broken and fixed state is enough.
2369 [16:27:53] <Rico> ok
2370 [16:28:54] <Rico> petn-randall: don't think it will
help...
replaced-url
2371 [16:28:58] <Rico> maybe it was before that
2372 [16:29:32] <Rico> as I said I tried to debug for a few hours
without rebooting host
2373 [16:29:46] <Rico> so maybe I fixed the problem hours ago and
it just needed a reboot
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2375 [16:30:09] <petn-randall> Rico: But you ran 'tasksel
install standard', right? Is there an enty for that?
2376 [16:30:12] <Rico> I upgraded another host from 7.x to 9.1 the
same way, did not have any problem
2377 [16:30:31] <Rico> petn-randall: tasksel install standard just
installed vim-tiny (...)
2378 [16:30:31] <petn-randall> entry even
2379 [16:30:42] <petn-randall> Rico: Hmm, ok then, nevermind.
2380 [16:30:47] <Rico> thanks anyway
2381 [16:30:54] <Rico> have to go, bye !
2382 [16:31:03] <petn-randall> Rico: Have fun, bye!
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2388 [16:32:55] <transhuman_> gpunk just to get the run down on
that second link , does the mini.iso inlude all the other files or
should I some how create a live cd or a usb drive to put them on? Or
alternatively can I just burn mini.iso to cdrom and boot from that?
do you know?
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2395 [16:37:33] <Gamera> hey I'm wanting to install debian on
a thinkpad x31
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2397 [16:37:42] <Gamera> a more than ten year old laptop
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2402 [16:38:57] <petn-randall> Gamera: Go ahead, shouldn't be
a problem.
2403 [16:39:08] <Gamera> what do I use
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2405 [16:39:11] <Gamera> x386
2406 [16:39:15] <Gamera> x686
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2408 [16:39:42] <Gamera> it's a thinkpad x31
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2410 [16:40:42] <petn-randall> Gamera: Since it's a 32 bit
Intel, you should go with the network installer for i386.
2411 [16:40:52] <kenny__> anyone run parrot os and ran into the
issue with it not finding your interneal wifi adapter?
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2413 [16:41:58] <Gamera> it doesn't have intel
2414 [16:42:06] <Gamera> I mean it doesn't have net access
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2416 [16:42:34] <petn-randall> kenny__: You can ask in their
channel, this is for Debian support only.
2417 [16:42:37] <petn-randall> !parrot
2418 [16:42:37] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
2419 [16:42:40] <petn-randall> kenny__: ^^^
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2421 [16:42:53] <kenny__> oh nice thank you
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2423 [16:43:36] <Gamera> what's the most complete iso I could
use for a thinkpad x31
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2429 [16:44:52] <petn-randall> Gamera: I'd go with the
netinstaller, otherwise you'll be downloading 20+ CDs for your
x31.
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2434 [16:47:01] <Gamera> I don't even know if the installer
will support the ethernet let alone the wifi
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2440 [16:48:47] <kenny__> that was kinda a pointless server for
parrot lol
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2444 [16:49:40] <petn-randall> !lol
2445 [16:49:41] <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or
bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you
look like an AOL user.
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2450 [16:50:23] <petn-randall> Gamera: I'd assume so,
thinkpad hw support has always been quite good on Linux.
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2512 [17:20:58] <bamb> how can I make a certain executable be run
in GDB every time it is exectued, even if i dont have an X window
system to run xterm in?
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2523 [17:23:06] <bamb> i tried to make a script where it launches
the executable in gdb, but that used xterm, which requires X
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2539 [17:31:00] <jelly> bamb: unset DISPLAY before running the
debugger
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2596 [17:52:24] <boxrick> Hello peops, I have a USB install of the
ISO file for Debian. I intend to put a pre-seed file on here. Is
there a 'correct' way of inserting it. IE should it be
done to the ISO itself or rather inserted into the USB stick after
it has been created?
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2607 [17:58:38] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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2638 [18:16:28] <pacha> is it possible to create a "delete
rule" on a .deb package? like "on install delete
/usr/bin/conflict and forbid creation again"
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2649 [18:19:43] <martin__> greetings
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2651 [18:20:18] <martin__> I installed debian on my virtual
machine (hyer-v) and I cant see the ip adress of this virtual
machine with ip link show
2652 [18:20:25] <martin__> it displays only the mac adress
2653 [18:20:45] <martin__> i need the ip adress of the virtual
machine so im able to connect via xrdp from windows to debian
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2659 [18:23:06] <martin__> how do I get the ipv4 adress in debian
9 ?
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2664 [18:25:46] <SwedeMike> martin__: typically your hypervisor
solution would include a DHCP server that would hand out addresses.
So you'd need to configure debian client to use DHCP
2665 [18:26:33] <martin__> SwedeMike: I'm on xfce. Is there a
xfce network managerß
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2669 [18:27:33] <GrayShade> hi, quick question, what happens with
debian testing after a release?
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2671 [18:27:52] <jelly> martin__: dunno if there is, but you can
configure network the classic way
2672 [18:27:54] <jelly> !interfaces
2673 [18:27:55] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file
/etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for
documentation, "zless
/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for
example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a
and ifdown -a respectively.
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2674 [18:28:03] <GrayShade> does it switch to the testing version
of the following release?
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2679 [18:29:13] <annadane> GrayShade, if you have testing in your
sources list it will continue to follow testing
2680 [18:29:16] <martin__> thanks
2681 [18:29:29] <annadane> so when buster releases, if you have
testing you'll start using bullseye
2682 [18:29:30] <Gamera> which 32bit iso would result in a working
install
2683 [18:29:33] <GrayShade> annadane: so it's a perpetual
rolling release?
2684 [18:29:36] <Gamera> for a computer that doesn't have net
at the momeny
2685 [18:29:37] <annadane> GrayShade, yes
2686 [18:29:51] <annadane> GrayShade, in order to stop that
you'd have to specify the name of the release
2687 [18:29:54] <GrayShade> with no required upgrade process like
when upgrading stable to next stable?
2688 [18:30:24] <annadane> GrayShade, well, there's a freeze
so you'd get a little bit of that
2689 [18:30:26] <jelly> GrayShade: and no promise of any upgrades
working at all
2690 [18:30:58] <GrayShade> jelly: yeah, that comes with testing
:)
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2693 [18:31:44] <GrayShade> annadane: think i got it, thanks!
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2695 [18:32:07] <jelly> GrayShade: debian has no rolling release,
both testing and unstable slow down _significantly_ during the
freeze part of the release cycle, and speed up right after a stable
release happens
2696 [18:32:18] <annadane> you can specify the name of the release
aka "stable" "testing" or the codename
"jessie" "stretch" and it will basically do what
it says on the tin
2697 [18:32:49] <annadane> most people prefer to use codenames so
they don't get unpleasant surprises when a new stable is
released
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2699 [18:33:12] <GrayShade> annadane: i know, but i'm more of
a rolling release person, so...
2700 [18:33:15] <jelly> GrayShade: pointing a system to
"testing" right after a release basically guarantees
interesting breakage of all sorts; if you want to track
debian's development it's probably better to track
unstable.
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2702 [18:33:31] <GrayShade> jelly: oh, interesting
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2704 [18:33:55] <annadane> sure, just explaining the general
theory if you weren't aware
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2706 [18:34:03] <annadane> i'm on sid myself :P
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2708 [18:34:12] <jelly> GrayShade: or wait a couple weeks-months
after a release for things to stabilize _somewhat_, then switch to
new testing
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2711 [18:34:58] <GrayShade> jelly: so the idea would be to stay on
testing, switch to release right before, wait a bit and switch back
to testing?
2712 [18:35:01] <jelly> GrayShade: and the easiest way to do that
is NOT use "testing" in sources, but the codename for
testing.
2713 [18:35:11] <jelly> yes
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2717 [18:35:24] <jelly> GrayShade: or just keep using codenames.
2718 [18:35:40] <GrayShade> right, it makes sense, then
2719 [18:36:03] <jelly> eg. switch to "buster" now,
after buster becomes stable, wait a bit, then switch to
"bullseye"
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2722 [18:36:52] <GrayShade> got it, thanks for clearing it up
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2740 [18:41:05] <GrayShade> one more question :D. in the past
i've had some trouble with Ubuntu release upgrades bricking the
system (recently a colleague encountered a "cannot find
/sbin/init" after such an upgrade)
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2742 [18:41:28] <GrayShade> should i expect Debian to behave
better on upgrades?
2743 [18:42:28] <petn-randall> GrayShade: I haven't had a
failed upgrade in 10 years now. But you can still shoot yourself in
the foot as with any other Linux distro.
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2746 [18:42:52] <GrayShade> i mean.. Ubuntu is supposed to be
friendly with beginners and things like that, but forgetting to
install systemd on an upgrade doesn't sound particularly
friendly to me
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2749 [18:43:04] <drinks2go> I thought in-place upgrades are
generally discouraged
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2753 [18:44:01] <anasule> how do you reinstall the so modules in
/usr/lib/apache2/modules my idiot collegue deleted all three mpm
files following a guide
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2755 [18:44:47] <martin__> jelly: SwedeMike I did the providen
steps from the networkconfiguration guide
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2761 [18:47:12] <petn-randall> drinks2go: You're maybe
thinking of RedHat or CentOS? In Debian it's explicitely
supported (see the release notes), and it's actively
encouraged.
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2764 [18:49:59] <drinks2go> petn-randall: Thanks! Ah yeah, I think
I might have had the docs for something which is partially closed
source, based on Debian... :P Shall not mention in chan. What
usually causes upgrade tools to fail?? Franken-Debians?
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2766 [18:50:35] <GrayShade> bah, so every "ubuntu vs.
debian" page says that ubuntu is easier to use
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2768 [18:50:56] <GrayShade> and "debian is for experts"
2769 [18:50:59] <petn-randall> drinks2go: Mostly that, yes.
2770 [18:51:12] <drinks2go> petn-randall: Thank you!
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2773 [18:52:29] <drinks2go> GrayShade: sounds like a matter of
opinions. Ubuntu is Debian-based anyhow.
2774 [18:52:42] <GrayShade> drinks2go: i know, i'm... asking
for a friend
2775 [18:52:51] <magyar> hi, how do I get the list of commands for
judd?
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2790 [18:57:06] <drinks2go> GrayShade: I don't think either
distro is really for "experts"! Whats the problem exactly?
2791 [18:57:44] <GrayShade> drinks2go: maybe switch to
#debian-offtopic? :)
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2849 [19:23:18] <Sia-> hi, on of the things i liked on linux
desktops was amazing faster browsing in net. in compare to win and
mac. bus since 2015 this is no more. i've changed few browsers,
with without adblocker. removed cache ...etc. still if use browser,
in the TOP almost 78% CPU is web-content. website like amazon,
facebook, cnn, ...etc extremely slow. Any idea whats happen to linux
desktops or gui?
2850 [19:23:48] <Sia-> bus = but*
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2856 [19:27:27] <Sia-> Hats off to abrotman , i joined #debian in
2005 you was very helpfull and still active. Do you really exist or
you are some kind of this character in WestWorld :)
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2858 [19:27:41] <abrotman> Uh, hello
2859 [19:27:47] <mr__tea> Sia-: hehe
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2861 [19:28:15] <drinks2go> !offtopic
2862 [19:28:15] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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2864 [19:28:23] <abrotman> Sia-: have you done some tracing to see
where the time is going?
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2866 [19:28:40] <abrotman> Sia-: such as, is it attempting a v6
connection that you can't make, and then falling back to v4?
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2873 [19:29:26] <Sia-> ok turning off V6 can fix it? ok i'll
try it
2874 [19:29:39] <abrotman> no, I didn't say that
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2876 [19:29:45] <abrotman> I asked if you checked if that might be
a possible issue
2877 [19:30:07] <ChmEarl> Sia in firefox about:config,
network.dns.disableIPv6 <-- set true
2878 [19:30:23] <abrotman> IPv6 should work generally, but
I'm suggesting check to see if that might be an issue. Bad DNS
in your resolvconf is another. Or could just be your wifi driver
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2883 [19:30:50] <abrotman> you should almost never have to disable
IPv6
2884 [19:30:58] <Sia-> ok thanks ill try it, actually i'm on
LAN
2885 [19:31:09] <abrotman> nor should you want to
2886 [19:31:14] <abrotman> you should make things work better :)
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2889 [19:31:35] <Sia-> Thanks again
2890 [19:31:47] <abrotman> don't be a luddite, embrace all
the addressing :)
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2892 [19:33:40] <jelly> go fix python 2 libraries that do all
sorts of broken assumptions, then I'll consider not
ipv6.disable=1
2893 [19:34:02] <DammitJim> what do you guys suggest I do on a
server that seems like someone is trying to ssh into (besides taking
it off the network LOL)
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2895 [19:34:20] <petn-randall> DammitJim: Disable password login?
2896 [19:34:31] <Dagger> like which libraries? I've yet to
see any Python libraries break that badly
2897 [19:34:34] <jelly> DammitJim: install fail2ban to save disk
space for logs
2898 [19:34:38] <DammitJim> at this time I can't until I get
the customer to get on board with this
2899 [19:34:56] <DammitJim> fail2ban was something I had looked in
the past... time to review probably
2900 [19:35:05] <Dagger> I've seen ones which fail to use the
v6, but not ones which fail to use anything else just because
there's v6 present
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2902 [19:35:47] <jelly> Dagger: stuff from Twisted
2903 [19:36:16] <jelly> did exactly the latter around wheezy or
jessie
2904 [19:36:35] <Dagger> I've used programs that use Twisted;
v4 worked
2905 [19:36:45] <jelly> good for you
2906 [19:36:51] <jelly> judd: ping
2907 [19:36:52] <judd> pong
2908 [19:37:06] <abrotman> v4 worked?
2909 [19:37:21] <jelly> ^^ this bot basically had to have ipv4
addresses hardcoded
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2911 [19:38:04] <Dagger> v6 should also work fine in current
versions of Twisted, if I'm reading the bug reports correctly,
but you shouldn't need to be disabling v6 even for the older
versions
2912 [19:38:36] <jelly> and those current versions will be in
Debian 10? 11?
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2918 [19:39:57] <jelly> ,depends supybot
2919 [19:39:58] <judd> Package supybot in stretch/amd64 --
depends: python, python:any (<< 2.8), python:any (>=
2.7.5-5~).
2920 [19:40:16] <_Vi> Where are short command line options of
"debuild" documented? "man debuild" or
"debuild --help" does not show about "-us" or
"-uc" or "-i".
2921 [19:40:17] <jelly> ,suggests supybot
2922 [19:40:18] <judd> Package supybot in stretch/amd64 --
suggests: python-twisted-core, python-twisted-names, python-sqlite,
python-dictclient, python-dateutil.
2923 [19:40:29] <Dagger> bug closed 5 years ago, so it should be
in current stable
2924 [19:40:43] <jelly> _Vi: it passed most of those down to
dpkg-buildpackage, so look there
2925 [19:40:48] <jelly> passes*
2926 [19:41:02] <_Vi> What is the difference between debuild and
dpkg-buildpackage?
2927 [19:41:33] <_Vi> Maybe some popular dpkg-buildpackage's
options should also be listed on debuild's manpage?
2928 [19:41:35] <jelly> _Vi: THAT's covered in man debuild
2929 [19:41:42] <awal1> I don't see in apt/apt-get
manuals/docs how to make them more verbose/explicit regarding
(auto)removals because of dependencies issues as aptitude does. or
I'm missing something?
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2931 [19:41:46] <jelly> like the second sentence
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2933 [19:43:30] <jelly> _Vi: man pages avoid redundancy.
There's usually a SEE ALSO section for further details and
related commands/functions.
2934 [19:43:53] <jelly> they're structured as a reference...
manual
2935 [19:44:03] <_Vi> OK.
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2937 [19:45:15] <jelly> if you need "how do I build
packages" or "how do I go from source code to
package", there are other docs
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2939 [19:45:20] <jelly> !nmg
2940 [19:45:20] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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2943 [19:45:25] <_Vi> Maybe "debuild --help" should also
call "dpkg-buildpackage --help" to provide comprehensive
list of options for those who are in hurry and don't know about
the difference?
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2945 [19:45:53] <awal1> maybe newer versions of apt will
incorporate some aptitude features
2946 [19:45:57] <jelly> _Vi: that may be worth filing a bug
report, Severity: wishlist
2947 [19:46:37] <_Vi> jelly, Is there any precedent of one program
(highlevel) calling --help of another?
2948 [19:47:12] <jelly> I think I've seen ./configure --help
do things like that
2949 [19:47:43] <_Vi> For example, `git log --help`s page just
duplicates many `git rev-list --help` items.
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2951 [19:48:01] <jelly> git is a horrible example for anything
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2954 [19:48:41] <jelly> its features and command names have grown
organically
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2956 [19:49:02] <apollo13> na it is a good example for a working
vcs
2957 [19:49:10] <apollo13> but the ui sucks :D
2958 [19:49:48] <GNU\colossus>
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2959 [19:50:10] <jelly> everything is called the wrong way,
compared to other vcses
2960 [19:50:46] <apollo13> *shrugs*
2961 [19:51:01] <apollo13> I've used hg and bzr more than I
wanted -- still coming back to git every other day
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2963 [19:51:34] <jelly> git probably works better than both of
those, but at least the commands in mercurial make SENSE
2964 [19:52:31] <apollo13> as I said: the ui sucks, but concept
wise I'll take git over the others every day
2965 [19:52:37] <jelly> nod
2966 [19:53:20] <jelly> by that measure, powershell is the best
shell :-)
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2968 [19:53:42] <apollo13> also the tooling around it
(gitlab/ci/cd etc) puts it quite ahead of the alternatives imo
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2970 [19:53:50] <_Vi> Related bug report about manpages: #773388
2971 [19:53:52] <judd> Bug
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2977 [19:57:49] <Maid-Chan> hrm...so i just started thunar on my
pi using xforwarding and the icons render unlike my HTPC running
debian proper. So it would seem the problem of icons not rendering
in thunar when xforwarding is a problem specifically with debian?
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3003 [20:06:15] <awal1> dpkg: pi
3004 [20:06:15] <dpkg> The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design
based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free>
<firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but
does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit.
Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM
chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it.
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3007 [20:07:05] <jelly> Maid-Chan: X11forwarding can be weird,
what are you running on the X server side (ssh client side)?
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3018 [20:13:30] <Maid-Chan> jelly, putty for ssh and xming for
xserver
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3021 [20:15:32] <jelly> it's interesting that xming deals
well with basically same app from raspbian. Perhaps there's a
different gtk theme and/or different icons and/or different way of
rendering them
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3045 [20:22:41] <nwe> how does the priority work with preseed
(partman) ?
3046 [20:22:50] <Maid-Chan> gtk theme or icons could be it. the
icons do look different than the ones i see when i use thunar
locally on the HTPC.
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3048 [20:23:25] <Maid-Chan> it seems odd though that that would be
the case. doesn't the viewer need to download the icons from
the host in either case?
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3061 [20:27:13] <jelly> yes and no. X is weird, when you run
things on local console with a local X server, you get lots of extra
extensions to the X11 protocol, that enable things like accelerated
vector (ttf, opentype) fonts and similar
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3068 [20:28:27] <jelly> when you use X11 forwarding, some, but not
all, of the extensions that X server has, can be used, some
can't, some fall back to pure software rendering, and some just
fail
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3070 [20:28:40] <jelly> Try running an OpenGL app over
X11Forwarding
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3090 [20:33:07] <th0r> I could never troubleshoot two issues at
the same time....allways found it confusing
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3092 [20:34:50] <jelly> th0r: clearly you're a male
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3105 [20:37:17] <bolt_> om nom
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3114 [20:45:20] <SpeccyMan> just a trifle lol
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3131 [20:52:25] <n4dir> now that ifconfig and such is said to be
obsolete. Is there a page on wiki.debian or (better) a dpkg-bot info
bout "ip" ?
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3146 [20:59:52] <tomreyn> there are man pages
3147 [21:00:06] <saint_cussed> hey
3148 [21:00:19] <n4dir> tomreyn: no shitting?
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3150 [21:00:33] <mnuhmnuh> n4dir: network-manager applet does all
that's necessary here
3151 [21:00:50] <jelly> n4dir: there's a tiny chapter in the
release notes
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3154 [21:01:12] <n4dir> jelly: will try that. "tiny" is
probably enough for my needs.
3155 [21:01:14] <jelly>
replaced-url
3156 [21:01:32] <saint_cussed> debian is the most complete linux
distro
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3158 [21:03:18] <n4dir> jelly: looks good. I usually compared
"ifconfig" with "ifconfig -a". What would be the
according ip commands?
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3160 [21:04:09] <jelly> n4dir: is there a difference between
"ifconfig" and "ifconfig -a"?
3161 [21:04:28] <frazr> yes, ifconfig -a shows all the interfaces,
inactive ones aswell
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3163 [21:04:45] <danielh1234> I found that resizing ext4 with
resize2fs results in directory mtime update when its inode changes.
Is this intended or a bug? Tested on fresh stretch VM. See
replaced-url
3164 [21:04:54] <tomreyn> n4dir: there is also help available by
the command itself for every object, just append 'help'
3165 [21:04:54] <n4dir> jelly: assuming i am right: the -a
argument would show .... frazr said it already. I used it to figure
out if the wireless driver works or not
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3168 [21:05:48] <jelly> n4dir: "ip a" is the rough
equivalent to both
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3170 [21:06:22] <jelly> I don't have a machine with inactive
ifaces to see what that looks like at all
3171 [21:07:01] <n4dir> jelly: yes. that is my problem too. Right
now i can't find a way to test it. My main thought is to slowly
switch commands, not a real need right now.
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3179 [21:08:02] <jelly> danielh1234: why are you doing an offline
resize?
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3182 [21:08:45] <jelly> danielh1234: does this happen online as
well?
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3184 [21:09:47] <jelly> the most common scenario for resize2fs is
online growing of a mounted filesystem
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3189 [21:10:25] <danielh1234> it said online shrinking is not
supported, so I did it offline. Now I saw that all my dir mtimes
have been capped.
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3191 [21:11:13] <danielh1234> jelly: is there a better way to
shrink?
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3198 [21:11:58] <jelly> no, shrinking has to be done offline, and
there's probably no way to avoid changing at least some dirs in
that case
3199 [21:12:26] <jelly> I'd say it was more a feature than a
bug in this case
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3201 [21:13:21] <jelly> because fs structures were actually
changed and moved around
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3209 [21:15:16] <jelly> danielh1234: for fun, you might want to
populate a bit more, with some files that take space, see if some
dirs end up not changing
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3211 [21:16:14] <danielh1234> jelly: ctime I could understand but
is changing mtime really desirable in this case? Now I have all my
data with files that have correct mtime, even unpacked libraries
with 15+ years age, but all dir mtimes are capped at the resize.
3212 [21:16:18] <jelly> shrinking with resize2fs is often a lot
slower than doing a complete backup, reformating a smaller fs, and
restoring
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3215 [21:17:11] <Maid-Chan> wait is jelly not male?
3216 [21:17:12] <danielh1234> jelly: Thats what I did, I resized
my main partition about a month ago, my main data directory is
completely changed, /usr, /lib etc have some older dirs.
3217 [21:17:13] <jelly> danielh1234: it's probably a bug
3218 [21:17:49] <jelly> shrinking is used a LOT less than growing
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3222 [21:18:22] <jelly> Maid-Chan: that's not really relevant
is it now
3223 [21:19:04] <Maid-Chan> jelly, sorry was reacting to something
you said(just now read scrollback) at any rate if you are not
"hello fellow female type person. :P"
3224 [21:19:33] <jelly> Maid-Chan: note I did not state anything
about my own capability for multitasking
3225 [21:19:55] <Maid-Chan> ahh. guess i may have made a fulty
inferance. :P
3226 [21:20:01] <jelly> but anyway, --> #debian-offtopic
3227 [21:20:43] <danielh1234> jelly: In this case shrinking was
the easiest way. Thanks for you opinion.
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3231 [21:21:28] <Maid-Chan> any chance ya'll have any
experience connecting to windows samba shares? as far as i've
gotten i think that i need to issue a mount command with the account
credentials present on the windows system. but with the new live
authentication i'm not even sure what username to give mount.
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3236 [21:23:41] <jelly> Maid-Chan: probably the thing
"whoami" command reports in cmd.exe
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3238 [21:24:16] <Maid-Chan> sweet thanx. didn't know that
command. i'm guessing it's newer than dos 6.22 :p
3239 [21:24:36] <jelly> stole it from unix, they did
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3258 [21:35:34] <malp> hi
3259 [21:35:52] <malp> how can i mount a remote window share from
debian?
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3262 [21:36:22] <Maid-Chan> lolz malp that's what i'm in
the process of trying to figure out. still getting permission denied
from mount though. :P
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3267 [21:37:29] <malp> Maid-Chan: this worked in an oder version
of debian for me: mount -t cifs //192.168.100.77/Share /mnt/Share/
-o username=user1,uid=user1
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3272 [21:38:49] <Maid-Chan> what i just tried >> mount -t
cifs -o
user=[whoami],password=[microsoftpasswd],rw,uid=1000,gid=1000
//192.168.1.124/Movies /media/THOR/Movies
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3274 [21:39:44] <Maid-Chan> looks like pretty much the same
approach. btw what version is your win machine? i'm on win10.
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3276 [21:41:26] <malp> 8.1
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3279 [21:43:49] <malp> Maid-Chan: apt-get install cifs-utils
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3281 [21:43:52] <malp> that did it for me
3282 [21:43:56] <malp> works now
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3284 [21:44:06] <Maid-Chan> already installed that...or wait maybe
i did on the other machine.
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3288 [21:44:50] <Maid-Chan> do you use local account or
microsoftaccount?
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3290 [21:45:11] <Maid-Chan> yep already had it.
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3292 [21:45:45] <malp> username=WindowsAccount,
uid=localLinuxUserAccount
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3294 [21:46:36] <Maid-Chan> ahh so your email address then?
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3297 [21:47:04] <apollo13> why would you even use a live account?
*shrug*
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3300 [21:48:12] <Maid-Chan> apollo13 you need one in order to use
stuff like the store/xbox live messenger(which i use to contact some
friends who insist on owning the new xbox)
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3303 [21:48:54] <Maid-Chan> also gives a degree of built in
settings synchronization between my systems.
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3308 [21:50:10] <SuperSeriousCat> And personal data
synchronization to MS's systems :] They are really going full
Apple now
3309 [21:50:57] <Maid-Chan> personal data only if you are a nitwit
who uses your personal data within their purview.
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3311 [21:51:33] <Maid-Chan> if my declared name on the MS account
is Ugly Transexual Maid and that's the only name I ever let MS
see then who cares if they see it? :P
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3315 [21:51:43] <will_> hello
3316 [21:51:58] <will_> been looking for a solution online cant
seem to settle
3317 [21:52:11] <will_> I need to enable tap to click for my
touchpad
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3319 [21:52:26] <Maid-Chan> i wish i could disable that.
3320 [21:52:27] <will_> solutions I've found refer to
directories that do not exist
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3322 [21:52:30] <SuperSeriousCat> They get your profile anyway :p
But its OT here
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3324 [21:52:41] <will_> Maid-Chan, whyyyy
3325 [21:52:55] <will_> such a pain to double click this hard
button
3326 [21:53:15] <Maid-Chan> because i'd rather deliberatly
controll using the physical button on my keypad then accidentally
click (like i do so often) when i go to swipe.
3327 [21:53:17] <will_> plus i have to stop controlling the mouse
for a bit too
3328 [21:53:25] <will_> hmm i see
3329 [21:53:46] <will_> i only run into that when typing, and even
then, i disable mousepad via hotkey
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3332 [21:53:53] <will_> so no ne here knows how to fix this?
3333 [21:54:16] <Maid-Chan> i'm surprised it isn't on by
defult honestly. maybe it's a hardware setting in your
particular pad?
3334 [21:54:17] <will_> ok how about keyboard shortcut to open a
program
3335 [21:54:40] <will_> Im coming from mint and ctrl+alt+t would
open a terminal. I miss that and would like to enable
3336 [21:55:49] <will_> anyone, no?
3337 [21:56:06] <Maid-Chan> not off the top of my head but i
imagine it should be possible
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3339 [21:56:24] <SuperSeriousCat> will_,
replaced-url
3340 [21:56:29] <greycat> Keyboard event triggers are a function
of your window manager or Desktop Environment. You will have to say
which one you use, and hope someone who uses that one AND who knows
the answer is here.
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3342 [21:57:03] <greycat> But yeah, GNOME 3 is a good guess when
someone doesn't say what they use. :-/
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3344 [21:57:22] <will_> when i was installing, i chose several. I
dont know which one was used by default
3345 [21:57:35] <will_> gnome is hideous i know its definitly not
that
3346 [21:57:40] <Maid-Chan> well it's easy in xfce then
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3348 [21:57:55] <will_> I've used mate extansively, and i
know its not that either
3349 [21:57:58] <Maid-Chan> greycat, really? the debian install
media gave me xfce by defult.
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3353 [21:58:33] <greycat> The regular netinst that 99% of people
SHOULD be using, which is NOT a "Live" CD image, defaults
to GNOME. Last time I checked.
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3355 [21:58:55] <jelly> Maid-Chan: then you used nondefault
installed media, possibly one matching *XFCE*.iso
3356 [21:59:00] <Maid-Chan> sudo update-alternatives --config
x-window-manager << this is the command i used to make my pi
use xfce and it also reported what i already had.
3357 [21:59:00] <jelly> installation*
3358 [21:59:12] <n4dir> will_: in the terminal click on help or
such, in the menu, and check it's name. That should give a hint
which environment you use
3359 [21:59:18] <Maid-Chan> greycat the cd i used was netless and
not live.
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3361 [21:59:35] <n4dir> or just tell a couple of apps you find in
the menu (firefox won't be of help duh)
3362 [22:00:12] <Maid-Chan> ohh nvm the iso says live. odd it
didn't ever let me go to a debian desktop.
3363 [22:00:24] <will_> Help title: GNU bash, version
4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
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3365 [22:00:32] <Quatroking> uggghhh I'm trying to mount a
samba share but no matter what I try I can only create/remove using
root
3366 [22:00:52] <will_> i have mate terminal and xfce terminal
3367 [22:00:58] <n4dir> hmm .. kde should be konsole, xfce should
be xfce4-terminal ..
3368 [22:00:59] <will_> i have gnote
3369 [22:01:18] <Maid-Chan> jelly
debian-live-8.8.0-i386-standard.iso claims it's standard.
3370 [22:01:26] <will_> mate dictionary too
3371 [22:01:29] <greycat> It says "live".
3372 [22:01:29] <n4dir> will_: try "ps ax | grep
session"
3373 [22:01:37] <greycat> live = not netinst
3374 [22:01:57] <Maid-Chan> yeah my ISP was down when i did the
install.
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3377 [22:02:20] <will_> n4dir, 676 tty1 Ssl+ 0:00
/usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-wayland-session gnome-session
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3379 [22:02:28] <n4dir> will_: if all that fails, make a
screenshot and upload it. though xfce4 sound reasonable. If so: you
can set keyboard-shortcuts in the settings. It is straight forward.
3380 [22:02:30] <will_> saw a lot of "gnome" in the
output
3381 [22:02:40] <n4dir> will_: gnome: i am out. I don't know
it at all :-) sorry
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3383 [22:03:19] <will_>
replaced-url
3384 [22:03:32] <will_> i really doubted it was gnome
3385 [22:03:48] <will_> i would have prefered the more
windows-like navigation of mate/mint
3386 [22:03:55] <will_> but i dont know how to chnge that lol
3387 [22:04:05] <n4dir> well, will_ perhaps this will help
replaced-url
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3390 [22:04:32] <n4dir> like said: i am over my head here. might
well be info of no use.
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3392 [22:04:47] <Maid-Chan> will_ the command i gave lets you
switch.
3393 [22:05:15] <will_> its not gnome that i can confirm now
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3396 [22:05:51] <greycat> !install mate
3397 [22:05:51] <dpkg> To install <MATE> on established
systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get
install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also
install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using
Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog,
choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then
"Continue".
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3401 [22:06:49] <ceramik> ²
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3403 [22:07:16] <n4dir> will_: looks like mate ...
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3405 [22:07:30] <greycat> There is also "update-alternatives
--config x-session-manager" if you have multiple desktop
environments installed.
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3407 [22:07:32] <will_> n4dir, it is, that i know now
3408 [22:07:44] <will_> in Mint the nav bar was always at the
bottom though
3409 [22:07:54] <will_> i thought all Mate environments were like
that
3410 [22:07:57] <Maid-Chan> yeah it's how it's
configured.
3411 [22:08:11] <Maid-Chan> mate and xfce are both pretty
customizable.
3412 [22:08:41] <will_> how is mint so smooth and fluent/light;
whereas debian which is it based off of, is so sluggish
3413 [22:08:54] <will_> im on inferior hardware. but mint runs way
better on my laptop
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3415 [22:09:20] <Maid-Chan> haven't experienced that myself.
then again maybe that's just "both are smoother than
windows"
3416 [22:09:31] <will_> I cant suspend this os, because its frozen
when i come back or shows me a black screen and a frozen mouse.
Forcing me to do a hard shutdown
3417 [22:09:37] <greycat> Sounds like you may need to install some
non-free firmware, or switch drivers.
3418 [22:09:47] <will_> now where do i get there
3419 [22:09:51] <will_> these*
3420 [22:09:59] <greycat> dmesg | grep -i firmware
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3423 [22:10:17] <Maid-Chan> i'd guess the non-free repo?
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3425 [22:10:49] <greycat> Well, first step is to figure out
whether you actually need any, and if so, which ones. The dmesg
output should tell you what filenames.
3426 [22:11:06] <n4dir> will_:
replaced-url
3427 [22:11:08] <Maid-Chan> that's a fair point for sure
3428 [22:11:10] <will_>
replaced-url
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3430 [22:11:41] <will_> n4dir, THANK YOU
3431 [22:11:44] <will_> mwah
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3433 [22:11:57] <n4dir> first chec if it works. :-)
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3441 [22:14:34] <will_> n4dir,
replaced-url
3442 [22:14:43] <will_> wanted to install; didnt go well
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3446 [22:15:29] <will_> oh no my laptop is almost dead; I'll
return later guys, but thank you
3447 [22:15:33] <n4dir> don't use ubuntu repositories on
debian.
3448 [22:15:38] <n4dir> never.
3449 [22:15:44] <will_> arent they similar enough?
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3451 [22:15:49] <n4dir> no.
3452 [22:15:54] <will_> worked fine in Mint :(
3453 [22:15:55] <will_> ok
3454 [22:16:23] <n4dir> will_: really.
3455 [22:16:33] <n4dir> this is a good way to disaster.
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3458 [22:17:32] <n4dir> xfce is a good , confortable and easy to
configure environment. Consider switching to it ( or hope someone
can tell you how to configure keyboard-shortcuts in mate)
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3462 [22:18:14] <annadane> dpkg: tell will_ about based on debian
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3548 [22:48:54] <Xeon3D> Can anyone point me to an iso of the
latest release available for an iMac G5?
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3562 [22:55:34] <boblamont> what's the absolute minimum size
a partition should be to install 9.1.0?
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3565 [22:56:23] <Trap-Chan> is there a domain argument for the
mount command?
3566 [22:56:50] <armin> Trap-Chan: what should that do?
3567 [22:56:53] <annadane> boblamont,
replaced-url
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3569 [22:57:18] <Trap-Chan> armin don't know but i was
reading online that by setting their domain to outlook.com they were
able to get windows 10 sharing to work.
3570 [22:57:39] <armin> Trap-Chan: what filesystem?
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3572 [22:58:07] <armin> Trap-Chan: also i have zero idea what
"windows 10 sharing" should be.
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3574 [22:58:33] <Trap-Chan> i'm trying to share a folder from
windows 10 to debian
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3580 [23:00:11] <Trap-Chan> hrm set domain=gmail.com and still
permission denied.
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3587 [23:01:41] <armin> Trap-Chan: see the "man
mount.cifs" man page and look for "domain=".
3588 [23:02:02] <armin> Trap-Chan: mount.cifs -o
username=windowsusername //192.168.x.x/windowsshare /mnt
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3590 [23:02:06] <Trap-Chan> yeah did that.
3591 [23:02:15] <armin> hm, no idea then.
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3594 [23:03:09] <netzach> hello
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3598 [23:06:33] <Trap-Chan> hrm replacing all the user/pass/domain
stuff with guest did something different. dunno what yet.
3599 [23:06:46] <Trap-Chan> it's like it's hung.
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3602 [23:07:32] <netzach> hello
3603 [23:07:48] <annadane> netzach, just ask your question
3604 [23:08:15] <n4dir> Xeon3D: iirc debian dropped support for
ppc. You will have to use the actual old-stable.
3605 [23:08:19] <n4dir> jessie ?
3606 [23:08:27] <netzach> I am wondering if there is a procecure
to do a patch for a pckage
3607 [23:08:29] <netzach> I never done it
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3620 [23:14:51] <Henry151> hi #debian
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3622 [23:14:59] <Henry151> I'm trying to add a network
printer
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3624 [23:15:51] <Henry151> I ran system-config-printer, typed in
the URI, selected the model from the list, hit next, now I'm on
the screen where you set the name and location, and when I hit
"apply", nothing happens
3625 [23:15:55] <Henry151> any idea why not?
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3634 [23:19:55] <Henry151> or any advice on how to add the printer
another way?
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3636 [23:20:20] <Henry151> i'm going to cross-post this
question in ##linux.
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3648 [23:25:18] <mnuhmnuh> does this look correct (~/.xsession for
mate)?
replaced-url
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3656 [23:28:37] <volitank> Anyone good with mdadm? On reboot my
raid array won't assemble normally. I gave up on it and went to
recreate it. So doing mdadm --create assembled the raid array.
It's working, but I need it to be able to auto assemble on
boot.
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3668 [23:34:38] <Henry151> howdy. I still can't get the
printer running, though by running the config as root I was able to
add the printer; now it just won't print anything
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3683 [23:49:24] <malp> hi, i installed SDL2, but when i run QEMU,
it says it cant fuind it
3684 [23:49:27] <malp> i also ran ldconfig
3685 [23:49:31] <malp> what am i doing wrong?
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3689 [23:51:22] <DerLGm> malp: in my exp its syntax err
3690 [23:51:46] <malp> DerLGm: what should i do to fix it?
3691 [23:52:19] <DerLGm> read more manuals(tutotials)
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3702 [23:57:02] <cruncher> malp, you have to give more detaisl so
people here can help you
3703 [23:57:17] <cruncher> malp, what did you exactly install,
what do you exactly enter, how you run exactly qemu
3704 [23:57:29] <malp> cruncher: it turned out the correct package
wasnt actually installed
3705 [23:57:33] <malp> i installed and it worked
3706 [23:57:36] <malp> thanks :)
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